Fenriswulf wrote: Yeah it's why I am staying well away from buying any. Been burnt before by Mantic, never again.
The sad thing is, if they hired some genuinely talented artists, sculptors and 3d artists, they could clean up in an absolutely massive way. Unfortunately they still seem to be stuck in the "near enough is good enough" mindset which plagued the first KoW kickstarter.
Right!
Their Unofficial Motto comes to mind:
Mantic. Almost.
All kidding aside, I think they're 'get there' eventually, but until they do, I won't be going there with them!
The recent renders and the salamander concept really don't appeal to me at all. I would have considered an abyssal army in the future but I doubt that is going to happen now.
Well, KoW 2nd edition cheat sheet sold me. It looks like the best mass battle game in the world is actually getting better.
Mantic. Perfect.
Elite and Vicious just became very, very powerful. I'm assuming Elves and Abyssal Dwarves will be adjusted accordingly.
Loving the rebalancing of War Engines (no pivot/fire). Loving the ranged modifiers change. Loving the Disordered breakaway from Disrupted nomenclature. Loving the rewriting of LOS.
Counter-charge will change the dynamic of the game quite a bit. Somehow a game based almost entirely on intelligent tactical maneuvering just got a little... smarter.
I'm not exactly an art critic (or a Mantic one, either), but the dragon proportions seem a bit peculiar to me.
I know that everyone has their preconceptions about what a dragon should look like, but the human shaped torso, shoulders and arms are bugging me a bit.
^I think what Judgedoug said is somewhat the reason I've backed down to just getting the book and goodies.
Rules sound like they're getting tighter and stronger if anything, but some of the open day stuff doesn't have me especially enthusiastic. Plus winter monetary concerns.
I think I'll stick around for a cool pair of rulebooks and gubbins, and to keep my Blaine collection more or less complete, but we'll see if they can sell me on the new stuff before the pledge manager runs out.
Plus their large scale armies are usually a pretty good deal at retail anyway.
So I'm going against the grain here. I actually like how the lower abyssals came out and was thinking about adding a unit to my pledge.
I will agree that the succubi look a little off, but they're not awful. A belly button would certainly help. I'm not going to be buying any of those, however.
judgedoug wrote: Well, KoW 2nd edition cheat sheet sold me. It looks like the best mass battle game in the world is actually getting better.
Mantic. Perfect.
Elite and Vicious just became very, very powerful. I'm assuming Elves and Abyssal Dwarves will be adjusted accordingly.
Loving the rebalancing of War Engines (no pivot/fire). Loving the ranged modifiers change. Loving the Disordered breakaway from Disrupted nomenclature. Loving the rewriting of LOS.
Counter-charge will change the dynamic of the game quite a bit. Somehow a game based almost entirely on intelligent tactical maneuvering just got a little... smarter.
I wish our hobbies unfortunate cycle of "people only play games with larger number of players... so everyone just keeps playing the same old games" would just go away.
Everything I have seen, read, watched, or dabbled with in KoW over the last two weeks has massively rekindled my passion for table-top gaming, and yet despite the wife and I going in for $850, I know we only have TWO other KoW players in an hour's drive of our area... Which pains me, because the game is flat-out amazing, while I watch miserable gamers complain their way through other systems which they play, almost because they feel forced to.
The clear prints of the Lower Abyssals look OK - the Succubus looks... meh/ok?
I was hoping a lot more of the character and detail of the concept art was going to go into these guys. I really loved the Dungeon Keeper style vibe and am really hoping that we get more of that in the Abyssal forces.
Hopefully we can see more WIP's and pre-production models/paint jobs before the pledge manager comes online so I can decide whether to continue on for an Abyssal army or switch to something else.
Return of the Tyrant There are just two days left of the Kings of War Kickstarter campaign and we’re continuing the onslaught on Black Friday weekend with:
- The return of the terrible Tyrant pledge
- Great news for Spanish and German Backers
Return of the Tyrant
Who knew that the Ultimate Tyrant pledge would be so popular?
After two additional batches being added overnight, we’re still getting messages from backers who wanted one but missed it. And we can’t let you down, so we’ve put up another batch.
For $850 it will get you:
- a God of War pledge ($150), including any 2 Starter Armies or 1 Mega-Starter Army
- Any 8 Mega-Starter Armies ($800)
That’s one $100 Mega-Starter Army totally free. When we fund the new Nature Mega-Starter Army, we'll include that too.
Kings of War Language Editions
Kings of War llega a España!
¡Nos enorgullece anunciar que Miniaturama será el distribuidor oficial de la edición española de Kings of War!
Se encargarán de la traducción y distribución del reglamento en tapa dura, y también producirán le edición reducida del mismo que será incluida en el nuevo pack de Inicio para Dos Jugadores cuando éste salga al mercado.
Kings of War kommt nach Deutschland!
Wir freuen uns bekannt geben zu können, dass Radaddel der offizielle Distributor der deutschen Edition von Kings of War wird!
Sie werden das deutsche Hardcover-Buch übersetzen und vertreiben.
Eine professionelle Übersetzung in einem hochwertigen Regelbuch ist eine fantastische Gelegenheit für den deutschen Markt. Wir wollten Kings of War schon immer weltweit und in möglichst viele Sprachen anbieten.
Die eleganten, sorgfältig gestalteten Regeln sprechen Veteranen und Einsteiger gleichermaßen an.
Dies ist ein wichtiger Schritt auf unserem Weg Kings of War so vielen Spielern wie möglich zugänglich zu machen.
And finally...
We are over half way there until we fund the Salamanders. It's shaping up to be a great weekend!
They've very clearly said the succubi are a WIP (and that the photo has made their proportions look odd)
so hopefully we'll see a significant improvement (inclusing putting the shoulder armour on the shoulders not on the top of the arms
The lower Abyssals have a distinct style, but sadly I don't like them (compared to the art) and the rough paint has not helped one little bit, (I thought they'd got Wintedyne doing their stuff now)
although I guess depending on the print material/quality that could be the best it could handle
The dragon I quite like (again they're very clear it's a WIP with some parts too small and some too large), as I could see it being closer to the wyvern line, moving on 2 feet as often as on 4.
but what comes out at the end of the day we'll have to see (I admit I'm beginning to be somewhat concerned about the large number of 'big' metal minis they'll have to produce and wonder if they'll end up de-bulked just a bit in order to save metal
judgedoug wrote: Well, KoW 2nd edition cheat sheet sold me. It looks like the best mass battle game in the world is actually getting better.
Mantic. Perfect.
Elite and Vicious just became very, very powerful. I'm assuming Elves and Abyssal Dwarves will be adjusted accordingly.
Loving the rebalancing of War Engines (no pivot/fire). Loving the ranged modifiers change. Loving the Disordered breakaway from Disrupted nomenclature. Loving the rewriting of LOS.
Counter-charge will change the dynamic of the game quite a bit. Somehow a game based almost entirely on intelligent tactical maneuvering just got a little... smarter.
Glad to see you like it :-)
I was really nervous going in today with that sheet envisaging people hating it "change for the sake of change rarrrr" or something. Got really, really good feedback from players today and the internet isn't in meltdown! I'm dead chuffed.
A couple of people have complained about the wording and missing the "NOT ACTUAL WORDING - JUST A SUMMARY" disclaimer at the top. It's actually harder than you think to compress it down to a single sheet summary...
I was really nervous going in today with that sheet envisaging people hating it "change for the sake of change rarrrr" or something. Got really, really good feedback from players today and the internet isn't in meltdown! I'm dead chuffed.
A couple of people have complained about the wording and missing the "NOT ACTUAL WORDING - JUST A SUMMARY" disclaimer at the top. It's actually harder than you think to compress it down to a single sheet summary...
Yeah man, everything looks great! I'll get in a game in the next few days and see how it plays!
Looking through all the pictures, I am REALLY happy with what we've seen from Dungeon Saga so far. Most of the sculpts seem to match up pretty well to the concept art, and the various Greenskins are looking pretty spot on.
The orc warlord and trolls look particularly nice.
Seems we'll have a fair amount of 3d scenery available as well, if solely judging by the various painted pieces. I know my kids will want all sorts of extras of those.
I wish our hobbies unfortunate cycle of "people only play games with larger number of players... so everyone just keeps playing the same old games" would just go away.
Everything I have seen, read, watched, or dabbled with in KoW over the last two weeks has massively rekindled my passion for table-top gaming, and yet despite the wife and I going in for $850, I know we only have TWO other KoW players in an hour's drive of our area... Which pains me, because the game is flat-out amazing, while I watch miserable gamers complain their way through other systems which they play, almost because they feel forced to.
The game sells itself. As long as people used to other systems enter it with an open mind instead of piles of comparisons.
Honestly after the sadness of Warhammer 8, all of my group's Warhammer 6/7 players switched to KoW, and we have a few new players who saw games in progress, learned the rules during those games in progress, and then started buying stuff.
Any luck with the Dakka Player Finder?
and the rough paint has not helped one little bit, (I thought they'd got Wintedyne doing their stuff now)
Nope, they've got an in-house painted, a multiple golden demon winner. That model hasn't been finished being painted, the photo was taken when Dave had just done basecoats.
GrimDork wrote: ^Thanks for re-posting that. I still want bigger wings but that makes me feel better about the shape of the body overall and the neck especially.
DaveC wrote: The full dragon render from the open day
Huge feet, squashed head, small wings, short neck, tail so fat that it looks stumpy. Yep, that's Mantic and their 2nd-tier sculptors. Looks like I'll just be in this for the rules.
And that thing captioned as an Ogre before. Is it an ogre or a troll? Either way, it's shitful. Again.
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carlos13th wrote: The recent renders and the salamander concept really don't appeal to me at all. I would have considered an abyssal army in the future but I doubt that is going to happen now.
I've got lots of GW Daemons. I think I'm covered. And if I need more, there's plenty more GW and Reaper D(a)emons out there if Mantic keeps coming up short.
So, with the Salamander funded, we will now sculpt, tool and produce them in hard plastic. You can get a set of 20 figures with options for hand weapons and shields or great weapons for $15.
The Salamanders are a new unit choice for the Forces of the Abyss, who can field them as heavy infantry. They also form the foundation of the new Forces of Nature army list which, as a neutral faction, means they can also be fielded by any other good, neutral or evil army as per the ally rules - so there's no excuse not to add some Salamanders on to your pledge.
The Salamanders will be added alongside the Forest Shamblers into a Forces of Nature Starter ($50) and Forces of Nature Mega-Starter Army ($100). These will get filled up between now and the end.
The Starter Army ($50) contents begins at:
- 20 Salamanders (which can be armed with hand weapon and shields or two handed weapons)
- 3 Forest Shamblers
- ?????????????????
The Mega-Starter Army ($100) begins at:
- ?????????????????
- 40 Salamanders (which can be armed with hand weapon and shields or two handed weapons)
- 6 Forest Shamblers
- ?????????????????
- ?????????????????
If you’re super confident of beating our next goals, you could go ahead and pledge for an additional army now - remember you don’t make your choices on armies until after the campaign has finished, which gives us plenty of time to get them funded. And if we don’t break them all, you can always choose something else ☺
NEW! BONUS $285,000 – Forces of Nature Druid
Druids command the very power of nature itself, drawing power from the elements around them. Unlike the raw destructive power of magic, the elemental energy Druids draw on is far subtler, able to be used to either heal and create or to visit precise but deadly ruin on those who would stand against them. Though fey and otherworldy in appearance, they are as deadly as any battle wizard.
When we hit this stretch goal, we will produce the Druid hero for the Forces of Nature army. This metal miniature will come with alternate components to build it in different variants.
We need your help in choosing a direction for the Druid – do you like a) a Druid based on the more wild woman look?
Or b) a Druid based on a more subtler look?
The concept art above is for illustrative purposes only and is of the Living Legend Ceris figure, a Kickstarter reward for our Eternal Warrior backer from the original Kings of War Kickstarter. Chris pledged to have himself, his wife and his two dogs sculpted and produced into miniatures for the Forces of Nature.
Let us know what route you would like us to go down in the comments.
Once this stretch goal is broken, we will make the Druid available to add-on for $8. We will also include one in the Forces of Nature Mega-Starter Army ($100) which we will continue to fill up as we knock over new stretch goals.
This means that the contents of the Forces of Nature Mega-Starter army ($100) will be:
- Druid with alternate components
- 40 Salamander armed with hand weapon and shield or two handed weapons
- 6 Salamanders
- ?????????????????
- ?????????????????
And then?
WORK IN PROGRESS ART
WORK IN PROGRESS ART
Let us know what you think in the comments!
After we have funded this, we’ll be looking at fleshing out the Forces of Nature Starter/Mega-Starter army sets as well as continuing to produce miniatures that fill in the gaps in existing ranges. We know you Abyssal Dwarf fans are keen for something and we’ll be delivering on that before the end of the final day!
Huge feet, squashed head, small wings, short neck, tail so fat that it looks stumpy. Yep, that's Mantic and their 2nd-tier sculptors. Looks like I'll just be in this for the rules.
And that thing captioned as an Ogre before. Is it an ogre or a troll? Either way, it's shitful. Again.
Before you shatter my windows, try looking at it again without a bad angle photograph of a computer screen
Thank you for that link. I'll now upgrade my opinion of that Dragon to "okay" from shitful. It's still got pretty much all the issues I listed, just not as badly (except the feet).
Am I the only one who has been asking for Atlanteans, or just the first? Is there someone else who asked for Atlanteans who doesn't hate the ugly, skinny Mantic elves?
Azazelx wrote: Thank you for that link. I'll now upgrade my opinion of that Dragon to "okay" from shitful. It's still got pretty much all the issues I listed, just not as badly (except the feet).
To me it looks like they've simply gone for a different type of Dragon than is usually seen. Most of the Reaper Bones dragons were long necks and long tails high fantasy trope, the Tyrant looks like Mantic have gone more towards the European Wyrm. It actually bears a passing resemblance - especially the feet - to the Dragon on the Welsh national flag. Short neck, large head, big feet, has wings but looks like it spends most of its time on the ground. Tail is the major difference.
A short neck is fine, but it should be a broad neck, broad head and broad jaws. It should look like a monster that will rip you in half and swallow the chunks whole, not one that will slowly nibble you to death.
AlexHolker wrote: A short neck is fine, but it should be a broad neck, broad head and broad jaws. It should look like a monster that will rip you in half and swallow the chunks whole, not one that will slowly nibble you to death.
I tend to be pretty forgiving towards dragons, so I don't mind this one looking a bit different, but I really wish whoever sculpted for Mantic would study anatomy at least watch the damn Discovery Channel. Predators with shorter necks tned to have short necks to support big heads and big jaws for massive bite damage--instant kills--like a tiger or a T-Rex. Predators with longer necks tend to eat smaller prey and/or kill larger prey via some method other than alpha strike, like plesiosaurs or even wolves (compared to big cats). So, a little man-eating dragon should have a big head and short neck. A bigger man-eating dragon should have a long neck so he can get at all the fleeing peasants without flopping his body all over the place.
Now, the head and neck don't really bother me since that's how dragons are often portrayed, and who knows what this one eats. I can even get past the muzzle transitioning directly into the gums. What bothers me are the broad, anthropomorphic shoulders feeding into the quadruped's lower quarters at a back-breaking 90 degree angle. Not quite a deal breaker, but jeez. Almost.
Breaking the rules is fine, so long as the artist understands what they are in the first place to avoid making some creature that looks silly. (Trolls, etc.)
Automatically Appended Next Post: How to Draw Animals, by Jack Hamm is an hour read that could make a tremendous difference for Mantic. It only covers mammal anatomy, but it's a good start and a good basis to start reading elsewhere. There are approximately 1000 Dinosaur books that cover how dino legs work and discuss predatory strategies. Most fantasy artists tend to have some grounding in real life anatomy before they paint their dragons, so why not sculptors?
And no, I'm not saying I could sculpt a better dragon. But I could certainly give the sculptor some better feedback.
Automatically Appended Next Post: That said....I'll probably still buy it.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: What bothers me are the broad, anthropomorphic shoulders feeding into the quadruped's lower quarters at a back-breaking 90 degree angle.
Yeah, that part is bad too. this is still my favourite picture of a dragon with anthropomorphic forelimbs that work. The way the entire torso pivots upwards and the narrow shoulders reminds me of the brachiosaurus, and it looks much better than Mantic's take, which feels more like a two legged dragon-centaur than a dragon.
Joyboozer wrote: God really? I always saw the lion cover of that Jack Hamm book and thought the title was irony!
Have you read it? It discusses animal anatomy and proportions, and gives an aspiring artist an idea of what to look for in animal anatomy. Are you saying the lion on the cover looks as bad as the Mantic cat-horses?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Alex, who painted that? I like it.
Too much of a high fantasy long neck thing for my taste, and there's plenty of those around already. I much prefer the short neck and stocky ground dragon Mantic have gone with, albeit I agree it needs a wider head.
Okay, so I put that book on my wishlist, but I noticed a disturbing lack of Todd Lockwood. How can there be a modern D&D dragon art book that doesn't include him? What terrible transgression is he guilty of?
How much would Mantic need to pay Eva for some design sketches?
PS: That druid guy a page back has one arm longer than the other. Look at where his right elbow is. Holy cow! He must have started out as a Basilean!
BobtheInquisitor wrote: Okay, so I put that book on my wishlist, but I noticed a disturbing lack of Todd Lockwood. How can there be a modern D&D dragon art book that doesn't include him? What terrible transgression is he guilty of?
It's not an artbook, it's one of the old D&D 3.5 rulebooks.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: Okay, so I put that book on my wishlist, but I noticed a disturbing lack of Todd Lockwood. How can there be a modern D&D dragon art book that doesn't include him? What terrible transgression is he guilty of?
It's not an artbook, it's one of the old D&D 3.5 rulebooks.
...And removed.
Has there been any word yet on who is doing the art for the Mantic Dungeon Quest Fighting Fantasy novels?
Pacific wrote: I really like the sound of the Forces of Nature army.. has there been any more info released about them, other than the concept drawings shown above?
And, am I remembering it incorrectly that they were meant to be part of the 'human' faction initially?
Joyboozer wrote: God really? I always saw the lion cover of that Jack Hamm book and thought the title was irony!
Have you read it? It discusses animal anatomy and proportions, and gives an aspiring artist an idea of what to look for in animal anatomy. Are you saying the lion on the cover looks as bad as the Mantic cat-horses?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Alex, who painted that? I like it.
Yeah, read it, just always thought it was funny the lion on the cover looks line it's standing straight up. And waving.
Well, November is over, and it's beginning to look a lot like fishmen....
Not happy with the scrolls - scrolls + living underwater=Wha?
*EDIT* The options that they are discussing...
A
B
C
Of them, I favor B - if they are going to wear armor at all then have it protect the gut and other vulnerable areas. (I would have less trouble with them wearing no armor than their wearing bad armor. Heck, naked would be better than no armor - they live in the freakin' ocean!
That's Arianya from DS I think the scrolls were left off the scuplt (hard to tell from the angle below)
The trident is being held in an awkward pose (which can be fixed easliy enough I'm swapping the trident head to the top when I get it) the rest of the sculpt looks pretty good.
The Naiads might mix well with Sphyr from Deadzone/Warpath if they get their own force or even just as counts as something else.
I think the trident may have drooped. Look at her forearm, seems like its bent. That said, Id prefer a naiad without armour (or extremely limited, say, left arm and chest). Mostly because swimming in armour would be pretty damn difficult, even if you could breathe underwater...
I prefer my fish-people to be monstrous so these aren't my cup of tea unfortunately. It's a shame as these would be the only fish-people minis in HIPS that I'm aware of.
DaveC wrote: That's Arianya from DS I think the scrolls were left off the scuplt (hard to tell from the angle below)
The trident is being held in an awkward pose (which can be fixed easliy enough I'm swapping the trident head to the top when I get it) the rest of the sculpt looks pretty good.
Though a trident is traditionally used point down.... (Used for spearing fish. And by retiarius in the arena... arena weapons were not meant to be effective, just to make a cool looking battle... I don't know what end up they used.)
I also updated the images in my post - adding the concept sketches.
The Nyads naiads or whatever live in the water sure. But where are the *fighting*? On land, in ranks. Because they were called up and told to do so, for the greater good, love, or money, whatever. Humans traditionally wear armor to war, but would they keep it on if they had to fight in the sea? (assume magical breathing aid if you have to =/)
I should think that the Niads are wearing armor specifically because they are on land and fighting in formations. If they were in the ocean they'd probably be flashing around in schools or skirmishing in small groups around reefs and sea caves or what have you.
Joyboozer wrote: God really? I always saw the lion cover of that Jack Hamm book and thought the title was irony!
Have you read it? It discusses animal anatomy and proportions, and gives an aspiring artist an idea of what to look for in animal anatomy. Are you saying the lion on the cover looks as bad as the Mantic cat-horses?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Alex, who painted that? I like it.
Yeah, read it, just always thought it was funny the lion on the cover looks line it's standing straight up. And waving.
I just assumed it was a circus lion. They do that.
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lord_blackfang wrote: Why does the dragon look like it has Batman-style sculpted chest/abs armour?
^I did the same. I'm hesitant to even leave the book on but I know I may never buy it at retail and I really do want it so going to stick it out at fitty for now.
I feel they should have at least webbing between the toes and fingers. And for some reason I can imagine them with only 3 toes/fingers quite long with long Nails on them.
overtyrant wrote: I feel they should have at least webbing between the toes and fingers. And for some reason I can imagine them with only 3 toes/fingers quite long with long Nails on them.
Agreed on the webbed feet, also would like fins for hair instead of ears, and crazy hair that look like tentacles.
Fish people are going to look stupid no matter how you do them, unless you make them look more like scary monsters, which I don't think is what they are striving of. They're shooting for Elves under the sea.
adamsouza wrote: Fish people are going to look stupid no matter how you do them, unless you make them look more like scary monsters, which I don't think is what they are striving of.
Agreed, I would like to see something more like Deep ones or Murlocs.
But oh well, I got some lizardfolk in hard plastic out of this KS at least
adamsouza wrote: Fish people are going to look stupid no matter how you do them, unless you make them look more like scary monsters, which I don't think is what they are striving of.
Rubbish. Mermaids have been a part of the public consciousness for centuries, and Atlantean-types have been handled well by the likes of Magic: the Gathering.
Are they really offering 20 hard plastic minis for $15? For 4 new armies? I'm going to have to buy them in the pledge manager no matter how they turn out, even if just to mess with the bits.
How come the Deadzone hard plastics are $4 per mini?
Siygess wrote:Mantic should totally do a Fishman hero who looks like Aquaman. Just saying.
I had the same thought. I would also accept Mermaid Man, or Sub Mariner.
AlexHolker wrote:
adamsouza wrote: Fish people are going to look stupid no matter how you do them, unless you make them look more like scary monsters, which I don't think is what they are striving of.
Rubbish. Mermaids have been a part of the public consciousness for centuries, and Atlantean-types have been handled well by the likes of Magic: the Gathering.
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A mermaid is a legendary aquatic creature with the upper body of a female human and the tail of a fish.
This is a mermaid
These are refugees from Darksun standing around at the beach
They look cooler, but nothing about them denotes aquatic. You could photoshop them into a desert and look like anyone from Darksun. The most aquatic thing they have going for them is their seafoam green skin.
We're talking about two distinct underwater niches: "Atlanteans" and "Deep Ones". You want Deep Ones and have no interest in Atlanteans, I want Atlanteans and have no interest in Deep Ones, and neither niche is filled by the concept art Mantic showed us. Agreed?
AlexHolker wrote: We're talking about two distinct underwater niches: "Atlanteans" and "Deep Ones". You want Deep Ones and have no interest in Atlanteans, I want Atlanteans and have no interest in Deep Ones, and neither niche is filled by the concept art Mantic showed us. Agreed?
The problems with the naiads is one shared with many of mantics designs, lack of background ideas. It seems that they probably just tell their concept designer: "Draw us some water creatures, let's call them naiads! Culture and background? Nah, just draw something cool, and then we'll backtrack!". And then they just post them and says: "Hey everyone, we will listen to you! Pick and choose A, B or C and then we do some design by kickstarter comments!
The problem is that instead of seriously thinking about background and asking themselves some basic questions like:
Are they aquatic and live most of their time under water or are they amphibious and live their life in some kind of swamp or coastal territory? And if amphibious, do they live in a swamp near the coast like a mangrove forest? Or do they live along the rivers in swamps like the great swamps in Iraq? Or is it like the bayous and swamps of southern USA?
Do they farm or do they hunt? What do they hunt or farm?
Are there several tribes spread out in different biotopes?
Is one of the reasons that they fight that humans, dwarfs, abyssals etc threaten the eco systems they live by logging, draining etc?
All of these questions could give more answers and inspire the designs more instead of just saying A, B or C and with what weapons?
I do not think that Mantics biggest problem is the stubby legs. Mantic needs to stop designing different models and instead start designing factions, otherwise Mantica will continue to be Generica.
And done! That’s the Forces of Nature Naiads funded! This hard plastic kit is now available to add on to your pledge for $15.
Let us know which concept you liked the most.
We’ve included 40 of them in the Forces of Nature Mega-Starter Army ($100) and 20 in the Forces of Nature Starter Army ($50), which have now been added to the front page.
This metal monster kit includes enough components to build either a Greater Obsidian Golem…
The Abyssal Dwarfs already have Lesser Obsidian Golems, and there will be alternate components thematically similarly in the big brother kit.
… or an Earth Elemental for the Forces of Nature. Or any other particularly earthy armies, Dwarfs perhaps?
Greater Earth Elemental
Elementals are creatures which personify the elements from which they draw their names. Earth Elementals are large creatures the size of an Ogre, formed as their name might suggest of living earth and rock. Their power is drawn from a geode of powerful mineral contained within the centre of their bodies, making them exceptionally difficult to stop. Though slow and ponderous, they are tremendously powerful and almost unstoppable. If destroyed, the power of their dissolution creates a shockwave which will flatten all nearby, friend or foe.
Sample concept art, not final design.
Sample concept art, not final design.
If we hit this stretch goal we will produce the golem kit with variant options to build a Greater Obsidian Golem or a Greater Earth Elemental. It can be field by any good, neutral or evil army.
We will:
- Add one Greater Obsidian Golem to the Abyssal Dwarf Mega-Starter Army ($100)
- Add two Greater Earth Elementals to the Forces of Nature Mega-Starter Army ($100)
- Add one Greater Earth Elemental to the Forces of Nature Starter Army ($50)
- Make the kit available to add on to your pledge for $15
Add your Forces of Nature army on to your pledge or choose it as part of your God of War pledge. For a full of all of the contents in the Starter army and Mega-Starter armies check out the Kickstarter front page!
Cyber Monday and the return of the Tyrant!
Not only is it the last day of the Kings of War Kickstarter, it’s also Cyber Monday – and that means deals!
At around 1:00pm GMT we will unleash a new torrent of Ultimate Tyrant ($850) pledges. It’ll also include a sparkly new Forces of Nature Mega-Starter Army too.
These are highly limited in number so don’t miss your chance to get one!!
Next up
Our next goal is going to be one for the masses - and then one from the Abyss. Don’t miss it!
Also I think putting "Sample concept art, not final design." in large bold text above and beneath the golem picture means they realise that's a pretty crappy first drawing.
NTRabbit wrote: Also I think putting "Sample concept art, not final design." in large bold text above and beneath the golem picture means they realise that's a pretty crappy first drawing.
You'd have thought that they would have had more than enough time to get some drawn if they had been planning things properly
I am hoping for some Abyssal beasts/cavalry/chariot type unit - maybe a multi-role kit - to give the army some speed
RobertsMinis wrote: I think they just decided to do the Kickstarter 2 weeks before it actually started.
And I am sure they have been thinking about new models for quite a while - if not in detail then at least vaguely what they want it to look like. They seem to have enough artists involved that getting a good sketch knocked up wouldn't be that hard
People were clamoring for the golem thing pretty hard though, could be that they weren't planning it for next or even soon but they pulled it forward to please the crowd. Maybe.
Gonna be a lot of interesting things to sift through on the pledge manager.
Luigi is doing us a new version of the Golem at the moment. Two sets of arms, one armoured and one not, one rocky head and one armoured. Looks much better!
And yep, kept the crystals.
although I'm certain it will keep the little tiny legs on big monster look (which I like on the trolls, but not on anything else so far)
RobertsMinis wrote: Until the day I die, I will remain convinced that whoever sculpted the elves miss judged the size and made the 3 UPs too small.
I still like them, they are just a little too slight and slender.
I did not like them until I owned some. And then I realized they are sculpted with form fitting leather armor. Then it made a hell of a lot more sense. Now I have an army of them.
RobertsMinis wrote: Until the day I die, I will remain convinced that whoever sculpted the elves miss judged the size and made the 3 UPs too small.
I still like them, they are just a little too slight and slender.
I did not like them until I owned some. And then I realized they are sculpted with form fitting leather armor. Then it made a hell of a lot more sense. Now I have an army of them.
They're really more of a wood elf/grey elf than a pure high elf look. When painted in more natural colors, they look better.
RobertsMinis wrote: Until the day I die, I will remain convinced that whoever sculpted the elves miss judged the size and made the 3 UPs too small.
I still like them, they are just a little too slight and slender.
I did not like them until I owned some. And then I realized they are sculpted with form fitting leather armor. Then it made a hell of a lot more sense. Now I have an army of them.
I have a huge army worth I bought up over the last 5 years, mostly on the cheap. I dread to think how many points of mantic elves I have in unopened boxes
I just want the golems in something besides metal.
Not a fan of all the extra work that a big heavy model needs when it's made in metal. Still sitting on a pile of EXTREME khador jacks since I don't have the heart to sit and pin all that gak together any time soon.
I shall bite my thumb at the Restic Knights and say that I'd be happy with getting those golems in RESTIC. Never had much of an issue with the larger restic figures.
I HATED putting together many of my metal Jacks and the wife's Beasts for Warmahordes. As such, I both hope the Greater Elemental is huge, for aesthetic and cool table presence for KOW, and yet cringe at the thought of putting it together.
That said, I wished for more giant gribblies for KOW as a game system, and this KS showed me they were willing to go that route... so good on them, and this is me excited for the game as a whole.
I still can't believe I went in for $850 though, even if most of it was in "Mantic Bucks" which they owed me. :-p
Huh. 330k hit, for the low low goal of 350 they're going to fund (hopefully) hard plastic wound counters. Main pledge levels will see 4 with an add-on of 4 counters for 5 bucks.
I uhh... guess they come with a top you can use? It's a flat base you can put dice on which is... next to pointless imo but maybe not. Or you can add the insert which at the moment looks like some left overs from your undead bits box with a spike so you can add jacobs ladder style rings to tab up damage that way.
Even if they're coming free I'm not sold.
They say something big is coming for the Abyssals but it'll have to be a post-close-catch-up-thing as I'm not sure I see people emptying their wallets to get these counters.
I'm usually relentlessly optimistic but 20k for the wound counters at this stage seems like a misstep. Maybe I'm misjudging people's enthusiasm for them though.
Curious as to what the big abyssal thing hinted at might be since they're liable to unlock it anyway.
Coming next - something large stirs from the Abyss.
"Second on the list is Kings of War. This scenario is best 1 vs 1 but can easily be adapted to a multiplayer game. Try it out with more that 2 players and let us know how it goes! Click here to grab it!
The comments seem to be sulking over the wound markers
(those 'spears' will snap like nobody's business whth would tokens being pulled on and off, they really need to be much thicker, something like a tree trunk to be workable)
They'll just be more to paint, I will likely be integrating wound markers into my movement trays eventually. These are liable to get tossed into my bits box at best. But for those that want them yay.
Almost taken 3k out of the 20k goal so we may well see the hinted item yet anyway.
Even with my meager modeling skills I could totally put one of those bases together.
I can see their use, but I would have hoped for something a bit more... interesting, I guess? A pole with stacking damage counters is alright, I guess.
Plus they are just an amalgam of heads and bits from the original renendra hard plastic kits, any Undead player with a few bits in their bits box could knock them up in about 5 minutes. Perhaps they are useful for those not that way inclined.
I HATED putting together many of my metal Jacks and the wife's Beasts for Warmahordes. As such, I both hope the Greater Elemental is huge, for aesthetic and cool table presence for KOW, and yet cringe at the thought of putting it together.
I wonder when I see folks saying this, "Have they ever tried epoxy?". As long as the connection point isnt too small, I've found that some 2 part epoxy is just wonderful and darn near bombproof for assembling metal models. It gives a much stronger bond and not nearly as brittle as superglue. You have to find a way to support or clamp the models for about 5 minutes or so while it dries, but that's pretty easy. I use so much epoxy for models and terrain now that I buy it in bottles instead of the little dual-plunger dispensers.
As for warjacks, I can't speak for other factions, but I just assembled 2 plastic and 4 metal Khador Warjacks (For Kings of War appropriately enough…) in one sitting.
http://chicagoskirmish.blogspot.com/2014/11/more-reinforcements-knights-and.html They were dead simple to assemble and no pinning necessary for a rock solid attachment. The plastic ones were more customizable and didn't require epoxy, but when it comes to ease of filing, scraping, sanding, etc, I'll take metal over plasti-resin any day.
There's still a lot of stuff missing from the Nature army, I think the package armies need sylvan kin or gnomes and centaurs to reach the same value as the others.
Looks like we just hit $350k, hopefully this KS will go out with a bang with its last Abyssal goal.
Think I'm gonna end up using those wooded wound counters that someone linked, the hard plastic ones seem like a fun idea but I can guarantee I'll break them after a while.
The Abyss is home to all manner or vile and wicked creatures, and fiends are no exception. While these bestial creatures vary wildly in shape, size and specific capabilities, they are united in
being utterly lethal and terrifyingly evil. Champions amongst the forces of darkness, they are thankfully rarer than their smaller kin, and utterly terrifying to face in battle.
The Abyssal Fiend is a brutish monster, an elite, hard-hitting unit capable of immense feats of crushing strength or which can be upgraded to fly or use magic.
If we hit this stretch goal, we will produce the Abyssal Fiend – a monstrous prince of darkness that comes with wings, different weapons and head options to customise your figures.
With this model funded, you can add on to your pledge for $25.
^This is my guess for size, however, it's best not to assume until we see something produced or at least get some assurances. I skimmed the updates but I dunno if it said anywhere what the height would be.
Demon looks good, and so does the elemental. The centaur? Tiny legs has mutated in to tiny horse syndrome. I really hope we get to see some new concept art with decent proportions.
I HATED putting together many of my metal Jacks and the wife's Beasts for Warmahordes. As such, I both hope the Greater Elemental is huge, for aesthetic and cool table presence for KOW, and yet cringe at the thought of putting it together.
I wonder when I see folks saying this, "Have they ever tried epoxy?". As long as the connection point isnt too small, I've found that some 2 part epoxy is just wonderful and darn near bombproof for assembling metal models. It gives a much stronger bond and not nearly as brittle as superglue. You have to find a way to support or clamp the models for about 5 minutes or so while it dries, but that's pretty easy. I use so much epoxy for models and terrain now that I buy it in bottles instead of the little dual-plunger dispensers.
As for warjacks, I can't speak for other factions, but I just assembled 2 plastic and 4 metal Khador Warjacks (For Kings of War appropriately enough…) in one sitting.
http://chicagoskirmish.blogspot.com/2014/11/more-reinforcements-knights-and.html They were dead simple to assemble and no pinning necessary for a rock solid attachment. The plastic ones were more customizable and didn't require epoxy, but when it comes to ease of filing, scraping, sanding, etc, I'll take metal over plasti-resin any day.
The metal Angelius is a large, metal dragon snake that balances on its tail... whose connection-point is maybe 1mm wide. Its absurd crap for pinning, gluing or anything else. :-p
Meanwhile, happier topic... Did anyone else enjoy a little snicker when the description for the Abyssal Fiend talked about how they are... *ahem* demonic princes? ;-)
I HATED putting together many of my metal Jacks and the wife's Beasts for Warmahordes. As such, I both hope the Greater Elemental is huge, for aesthetic and cool table presence for KOW, and yet cringe at the thought of putting it together.
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I wonder when I see folks saying this, "Have they ever tried epoxy?". As long as the connection point isnt too small, I've found that some 2 part epoxy is just wonderful and darn near bombproof for assembling metal models. It gives a much stronger bond and not nearly as brittle as superglue. You have to find a way to support or clamp the models for about 5 minutes or so while it dries, but that's pretty easy. I use so much epoxy for models and terrain now that I buy it in bottles instead of the little dual-plunger dispensers.
As for warjacks, I can't speak for other factions, but I just assembled 2 plastic and 4 metal Khador Warjacks (For Kings of War appropriately enough…) in one sitting.
http://chicagoskirmish.blogspot.com/2014/11/more-reinforcements-knights-and.html They were dead simple to assemble and no pinning necessary for a rock solid attachment. The plastic ones were more customizable and didn't require epoxy, but when it comes to ease of filing, scraping, sanding, etc, I'll take metal over plasti-resin any day.
The metal Angelius is a large, metal dragon snake that balances on its tail... whose connection-point is maybe 1mm wide. Its absurd crap for pinning, gluing or anything else. :-p
Oh, man, I just looked that up and it looks like all kinds of unpleasantness. Hope it worked out for you in the end. I assume you went with one long pin into the base?
Tyr13 wrote: What, usually people complain about those tiny legs... and now you complain about giant hooves?! D:
All you have to do is get the ratios right. Hooves get a little bit wider than the lower leg. Not turn into ground pounding mallets. Look at Mierce's or Rackham's models with hooves to see it done right.
Really hoping all the larger stuff ends up in anything besides metal.
Maybe Mantic would consider doing some sort of poll or getting feedback from outside HQ about what to cast those things in.
Even though I already ordered a bunch of demons from Troll Outpost when they did their KS, and I'll probably end up getting some more Fiends from Darklands, I still wouldn't mind a few extra big demons to kick all the little ones around.
Maybe Mantic would consider doing some sort of poll or getting feedback from outside HQ about what to cast those things in.
This - I'm so over metal for anything that isn't a character model. I'm not a big fan of PVC - but I'd much prefer it over metal for stuff like big ogre models and war machines and whatnot. (I also think PVC could be a viable medium if companies continued to work with it/improve it). All the metal in this KS left me cold.
Maybe Mantic would consider doing some sort of poll or getting feedback from outside HQ about what to cast those things in.
This - I'm so over metal for anything that isn't a character model. I'm not a big fan of PVC - but I'd much prefer it over metal for stuff like big ogre models and war machines and whatnot. (I also think PVC could be a viable medium if companies continued to work with it/improve it). All the metal in this KS left me cold.
Has Mantic ever done anything with PVC? Though there are issues with small minis and parts, my large Reaper Bones monsters in PVC are quite nice. PVC could be a good option for any of the larger mantic monsters. Reaper has suggested that it is expensive to make the molds for PVC figures, but I've no idea what other options there are for molding them.
Though as I've said before, Plastic is ideal, but I'll take Metal, Resin or PVC over Restic.
Maybe Mantic would consider doing some sort of poll or getting feedback from outside HQ about what to cast those things in.
I thought Restic was PVC...
I can only speak for myself, but I have had very few problems with Restic. Also, I find Mantic's metal models to be as good as anything I've gotten in metal from GW. I'm looking forward to seeing how these new minis turn out.
I think part of what elevated the total for deadzone was the triple threat too.
Scifi skirmish wargame? Check. Hard plastic modular scenery? Check. Tie ins to Warpath for diehard fans? Check.
You had people backing it for the token pledge, the complete package, largely for terrain, to harvest specific factions to build armies, etc etc.
Dreadball xtreme was a sports game with limited crossover, and people weren't sure about the material since MA hadn't hit. MA well, I think it had some big competitors out at the same time and the IP itself was almost a little niche, a lot of people like Mars Attacks but only so many. Plus the whole bloodshed on the battlefield and alien abduction shenanigans. I think those two also took a hit from KS burnout and overdrawing from a depleted source, a lot of backers for all of the campaigns have been with all or most of them, and they only have so much money.
Dungeon saga was a big hit but then that one pushed a lot of buttons for a lot of people too.
I don't really think any of these smaller kickstarters have really been anything but successful, they could have generated more funds but it wasn't really necessary either.
Seems like keeping some of them smaller isn't a bad thing anyway, should lessen the strain of fulfillment somewhat?
A somewhat middling campaign here on this one will hopefully be further impetus for them to do so.
I honestly don't think they planned it to be very big, otherwise it would have been longer with more reveals. It looks like they had run out of stretch goals by the centaur.
The obvious move with this was to a) fund the 2nd edition and b) raise more awareness. The side benefits of hard plastic troops for two new armies are mainly benefits.
I'm a fan of Mantic when they do stuff right, and I was only in for $50. I might add stuff in the pledge manager, but for me, the benefit is an already fantastic ruleset becoming refined - and hopefully some more players joining the fold.
Keep in mind we have no idea how much will be spent on the pledge manager. 99% of what I spent on the last two Mantic Kickstarters was in the pledge manager phase.
I wonder how faithful they are on the whole 'pledge manager unlocks' thing. As in, do they just keep unlocking everything that got missed, and then start drawing up concepts for things they wanted to unlock if it "went big" or "went stupid big", or do they just decide jobs a good 'un and bank the difference? Not that I'd expect anything untoward... just wonder if they'd really beat a dead horse with more development if they were actually done.
Maybe Mantic would consider doing some sort of poll or getting feedback from outside HQ about what to cast those things in.
This - I'm so over metal for anything that isn't a character model. I'm not a big fan of PVC - but I'd much prefer it over metal for stuff like big ogre models and war machines and whatnot. (I also think PVC could be a viable medium if companies continued to work with it/improve it). All the metal in this KS left me cold.
^This. As much as restic is a PITA, I'd rather have units of infantry and large infantry in restic than metal.
After the highs of Deadzone, and then the lows when everyone received their restic...stuff, well, Mantic's KS haven't done as well.
Just because you keep repeating the same nonsense doesn't make it true.
Also, put me in the restic-over-metal-for-large-things basket. Or even resin - I can't imagine how few they'd have sold and how difficult they'd be to work with if the Striders, Iron Ancestor and Stuntbot had come in metal instead of restic and resin respectively.
And yes, restic is PVC, 'boardgae plastic' is PVC and Bonesium is PVC, just different recipes searching for different final properties in each case.
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BobtheInquisitor wrote: Keep in mind we have no idea how much will be spent on the pledge manager. 99% of what I spent on the last two Mantic Kickstarters was in the pledge manager phase.
Just the $1 backers bumping up to the rulebook pledge level in the PM adds a little over $20k, let alone going to the next level plus other add ons across the board.
After the highs of Deadzone, and then the lows when everyone received their restic...stuff, well, Mantic's KS haven't done as well.
Just because you keep repeating the same nonsense doesn't make it true.
Wait, Alph doesn't like restic?
Azazelx hates it more though...
Personally I have no issue with it, and I suspect most don't judging by the retail success of Deadzone and Dreadball. Still, squeaky wheels and all that...
Would have been nice to see a little more focus on a single army, though.
Nature is the army I will be picking and like the most, but I would have rather seen no Nature minis at all and have the Abyssal army get 4 HIPS kits and maybe some pre-assembled plastic monsters rather than half-completing two new armies.
I feel like doing one army really properly is what Mantic needs at the moment, a new flagship range that competes properly with what GW produces. Having Lower Abyssals, Succubi, Abyssal Warriors and Tortured Souls in HIPS would have resulted in a very impressive new looking army.
Hopefully this sort of mini-kickstarter becomes a regular yearly thing for Mantic and KoW, fantasy mass battle does get less cash than other genres, but theres still enough financial support there to at least get a new HIPS kit out every 2 months I think.
NTRabbit wrote:
And yes, restic is PVC, 'boardgae plastic' is PVC and Bonesium is PVC, just different recipes searching for different final properties in each case.
From what I've heard, Restic is indeed a PVC of some sort. However, when using the term among gamers, "PVC" is usually referring to the softer material found in Bones and prepainted clix figures. Restic or Plastic/resin
Though technically correct to call them all "PVC", there's really no reason to do so and muddy the waters when there are already separate accepted terms for the materials.
I like their orc line(my army for KOW) and their undead (brother in laws) as well. I'm not a fan of the dwarf figures for some reason, but there's nothing holding people back from trying the game with the free online rules. At that point it really becomes "So you WANT to pay crazy amounts for GW products and have rules arguements all the time?"
Elves are nice as well, except for the Derpy Drakkons.
The forces of nature army just doesn't look cohesive enough to me. They have flaming lizards, water elves, walking trees and PETA's worst nightmare (Druid chick).
To me the forces of nature should be like the chaos gods of Warhammer. Each aspect having its rivals: water-fire, wind-earth etc. you should be able to field mono nature pyromaniac armies or all water armies, or all living armies (treeman, dryads, centaurs). Or build the army as a joint nature versus people doing bad things army.
I'm not a fan of the rock monster or even the new art for it that they just unlocked.
I ended up giving this one a miss; just too much stuff already out in KS land to give out yet more money sight-unseen. With Star Wars Armada poised to take a huge bite out of my hobby money in the early part of next year as well, just couldn't find the space for it during the holidays.
On the other hand, I might have been tempted into picking up both of the new armies if they had more of the "soft" stuff better fleshed out prior to the campaign; I don't have enough trust in Mantic, especially on the KoW front, to go off of concept art. I want renders at a minimum, as those have translated reasonably well. I might still pick them up at retail, so I'll still keep an eye on the progress here.
Elves are nice as well, except for the Derpy Drakkons.
Yeah I can't defend that bit of the Elves, the Drakkons are pretty bad
The forces of nature army just doesn't look cohesive enough to me. They have flaming lizards, water elves, walking trees and PETA's worst nightmare (Druid chick).
To me the forces of nature should be like the chaos gods of Warhammer. Each aspect having its rivals: water-fire, wind-earth etc. you should be able to field mono nature pyromaniac armies or all water armies, or all living armies (treeman, dryads, centaurs). Or build the army as a joint nature versus people doing bad things army.
I'm not a fan of the rock monster or even the new art for it that they just unlocked.
That was the problem with only half the Nature army getting funded out - with the current army list you could (almost) make element themed armies.
Water: Naiads, Water Elementals
Fire: Salamanders, Fire Elementals
Air: Sylvan Kin, Air Elementals
Earth: Gnomes, Earth Elementals, Forest Shamblers, Basilisks, Greater Earth Elemental
They still have the other 3 greater elementals and all 4 regular elementals to do, gnomes for basic earth troops, plus Centaurs as non-themed cavalry, and then would need something akin to the Shamblers/Basilisks for the other three elements.
Yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing the hard plastics. I might go in decently large once we finally see them. Or I might not and be out $1. But i'm not counting on anything till I actually see it.
jorny wrote: The problems with the naiads is one shared with many of mantics designs, lack of background ideas. It seems that they probably just tell their concept designer: "Draw us some water creatures, let's call them naiads! Culture and background? Nah, just draw something cool, and then we'll backtrack!". And then they just post them and says: "Hey everyone, we will listen to you! Pick and choose A, B or C and then we do some design by kickstarter comments!
Reaper, baby. Unless you want a Dogunicorn to go with your cathorses.
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judgedoug wrote: I just still use the wound counters from the original KoW Kickstarter. They work perfectly. I have two sets. Never needed any more than that.
I lost mine, but we just use D10s. Dakka D10s, as it happens.
Multiple waves of pledge managers, baby. Only pay for the finished stuff once it's been shown (except the rules). That's how to deal with Mantic.
This is a good reminder for me. I've not been overly impressed with what I've seen, but since I'm playing a bad-guy KoW army, the various Abbysal and Salamander units could find a home. If the plastic infantry units look good before the last pledge manager comes around, I could add a unit or two.
Honestly though, I'm very surprised at the number of folks who are only pledging a buck rather than $50. The rules themselves are worth it (probably won't save much at discount retail) and the freebies are fun enough. I wouldn't want to miss out on the two figs just for the sake of paying later.
Multiple waves of pledge managers, baby. Only pay for the finished stuff once it's been shown (except the rules). That's how to deal with Mantic.
This is a good reminder for me. I've not been overly impressed with what I've seen, but since I'm playing a bad-guy KoW army, the various Abbysal and Salamander units could find a home. If the plastic infantry units look good before the last pledge manager comes around, I could add a unit or two.
Honestly though, I'm very surprised at the number of folks who are only pledging a buck rather than $50. The rules themselves are worth it (probably won't save much at discount retail) and the freebies are fun enough. I wouldn't want to miss out on the two figs just for the sake of paying later.
I was under the impression that when the pledge manager hits we can adjust up to the $50 and still get the freebies. Am I wrong in that? I'll plop down the $50 easy, just not right before Christmas.
^Yeah we should totally be able to do that. The only time I remember there being time sensitive 'pledge before xx' rewards they very clearly stated it. I think there were a couple things for MA backers and uh.. oh yeah the deadzone veteran stuff, or at least some of it.
Yeah, that would be a quick way to throttle some good will out of their fan base. I mean what kind of miniature company would want to make a name for itself by screwing over loyal fans just because they can't spend big money at the drop of a hat..?
Multiple waves of pledge managers, baby. Only pay for the finished stuff once it's been shown (except the rules). That's how to deal with Mantic.
This is a good reminder for me. I've not been overly impressed with what I've seen, but since I'm playing a bad-guy KoW army, the various Abbysal and Salamander units could find a home. If the plastic infantry units look good before the last pledge manager comes around, I could add a unit or two.
Honestly though, I'm very surprised at the number of folks who are only pledging a buck rather than $50. The rules themselves are worth it (probably won't save much at discount retail) and the freebies are fun enough. I wouldn't want to miss out on the two figs just for the sake of paying later.
I pledged a buck because it's Christmas, and my money has other places to go right now - and Mantic pledged that I can PM my buck up into whatever down the road after Christmas. Their shipping is also pretty unfriendly for RoW going from $50 to, say, $60 if you wanted to add on the campaign book.
If they're going to play "pledge during the KS campaign only to receive these rewards" shenanigans after promising beforehand that people can drop a dollar and fix it all up later, then I'll keep all my money - or spend it with other companies and just use a freebie of their rulebooks.
I'll probably up my pledge to $50 in the pledge manager + one or two plastic kits if they look good. The free Blaine (which I hope we get, out of principle more than anything else) I will sell, and hopefully recover a buck or two from. Why sell him? He just tries way to hard to be cool.
That's really good that they do that. Xmas present month, plus everything going wrong with my car made buying what I wanted to buy implausible - good that I can come back in the new year and increase my 1$ pledge to at the very least the books, hopefully an army as well.
As Azazelx says as well, also handy that if you're not sure of a concept, more chance of waiting to see what the actual sculpts turn out like before putting money down for it.
Ronnie said, at least in every interview I heard, that they realized that this close to the holidays was going to make things tight for many backers, and that they would leave the pledge manager open for people to bump up their pledges after the holidays, and that the amounts would contribute to any stretch goals.
adamsouza wrote: Ronnie said, at least in every interview I heard, that they realized that this close to the holidays was going to make things tight for many backers, and that they would leave the pledge manager open for people to bump up their pledges after the holidays, and that the amounts would contribute to any stretch goals.
Which is the way it's been for every Mantic KS I have backed, just that this one is promised to have a longer amount of open pledge manager time
