Holy , the Tzaangors have close combat options and a kick ass 'splitting in two' head, thought they were just autopistols and chainswords, this is awweeeesome.
shade1313 wrote: Still no indication that the rumor of an alternate CC build for the Rubrics is an actual thing?
Maybe the rumors got the Tzaangors options mixed up with the Rubrics?
Well they were never known to be any sort of close combat monsters, that's Khornes job. You might be able to kitbash but don't see the point. They are walking gun robots basically
Yonasu wrote: Termie has a rotor cannon? why would a terminator carry around a weaker weapon type?
shade1313 wrote: Still no indication that the rumor of an alternate CC build for the Rubrics is an actual thing?
Maybe the rumors got the Tzaangors options mixed up with the Rubrics?
Well they were never known to be any sort of close combat monsters, that's Khornes job. You might be able to kitbash but don't see the point. They are walking gun robots basically
There were rumors that the kit would have a CC build. That's all I'm asking about.
shade1313 wrote: Still no indication that the rumor of an alternate CC build for the Rubrics is an actual thing?
Maybe the rumors got the Tzaangors options mixed up with the Rubrics?
Well they were never known to be any sort of close combat monsters, that's Khornes job. You might be able to kitbash but don't see the point. They are walking gun robots basically
To be fair, Wraithguard weren't known for their melee capabilities either until they were.
shade1313 wrote: Still no indication that the rumor of an alternate CC build for the Rubrics is an actual thing?
Maybe the rumors got the Tzaangors options mixed up with the Rubrics?
Well they were never known to be any sort of close combat monsters, that's Khornes job. You might be able to kitbash but don't see the point. They are walking gun robots basically
Yonasu wrote: Termie has a rotor cannon? why would a terminator carry around a weaker weapon type?
No, its confirmed its a assault cannon
https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/1385 Says rotor cannon here, but ok i hope thats a mistake then because both the termies and marines have "soulreaper cannons". The termie one does have the look of a rotor cannon tho D: .
Well that picture's a buzzkill. The lovely new rubric models, backed up by non-rubric dinobots and a decidedly fleshy dreadnought.
I will be ignoring the existence of those models, and will use Contemptor dreadnoughts.
Well they were never known to be any sort of close combat monsters, that's Khornes job. You might be able to kitbash but don't see the point. They are walking gun robots basically
Although the description seemed to say 'fight with all the skill of space marines', so dunno.
https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/1385 Says rotor cannon here, but ok i hope thats a mistake then because both the termies and marines have "soulreaper cannons". The termie one does have the look of a rotor cannon tho D: .
It says the soulreaper cannon that they carry echoes the design of the rotor cannon they carried during the Great Crusade.
WD says the box has enough bolters for a whole squad and enough flamers for a whole squad and one soulreaper cannon. You can safely chalk rumours of melee Rubrics down to BOLS horsegak.
Well that picture's a buzzkill. The lovely new rubric models, backed up by non-rubric dinobots and a decidedly fleshy dreadnought.
I will be ignoring the existence of those models, and will use Contemptor dreadnoughts.
I'm quite the opposite; That Tsons can use any form of dreadnought whatsoever is great news, as it means I can freely convert a rubric dread and be able to field it without juggling detachments.
And the daemonforge units? Seems a great opportunity to convert things to me, just a shame the Necrosphinx is out of print.
Still, I do have one lying about, built with sphynx head and wings as I wanted the humanoid upper body for something else. Can wheel that out as a Maulerfiend now.
lord_blackfang wrote: WD says the box has enough bolters for a whole squad and enough flamers for a whole squad and one soulreaper cannon. You can safely chalk rumours of melee Rubrics down to BOLS horsegak.
lets hope the aspiring sorcerer can have a sword at least, otherwise ive got quite a few BaC painted as "All is dust" i have to snip snip
Well that picture's a buzzkill. The lovely new rubric models, backed up by non-rubric dinobots and a decidedly fleshy dreadnought.
I will be ignoring the existence of those models, and will use Contemptor dreadnoughts.
I have the Thousand Sons Forge World Dread, but Contemptor does seem like a nice way to go.
I am just wondering what the one in the pic has in its hand...looks almost like a gold hammer
lord_blackfang wrote: WD says the box has enough bolters for a whole squad and enough flamers for a whole squad and one soulreaper cannon. You can safely chalk rumours of melee Rubrics down to BOLS horsegak.
lets hope the aspiring sorcerer can have a sword at least, otherwise ive got quite a few BaC painted as "All is dust" i have to snip snip
I'm sure he can still have any standard force weapon type.
And the daemonforge units? Seems a great opportunity to convert things to me, just a shame the Necrosphinx is out of print.
Still, I do have one lying about, built with sphynx head and wings as I wanted the humanoid upper body for something else. Can wheel that out as a Maulerfiend now.
I bought every Necrosphinx I could lay my hands on locally when they went "last chance to buy", just for that reason. I knew that the one I had partially built as a Maulerfiend at the time would not be enough.
As it's an official Citadel™ Paint™ Scheme™, it'll be a base of Expensive But Surprisingly Good™ Gold followed by a highlight of Not So Convincing™ Gold Layer. (Retributor Armour highlighted by whatever the most recent good shade was. Auric something?)
I'm excited to see rules for the new Tsons. They really needed some other kind of weapon to go with their AP3 bolters because they're far too specialised as they are now. Hopefully the heavy weapon can interact with armour. Any kind of template weapon is great for them, and it'll be fun if they can have as many of they want.
Can't wait to see people's Tsons armies when the models are out!
LightKing wrote: Arn't the Dark Angels actually running Fenris right now and not the Space Wolves
Not running as much as bombing.
why would DA be bombing Fenris in m41?
Read warzone Fenris part 1
Spoiler:
Basically the changeling managed to convince Azrael that the Wulfen were corrupted SW, by having some DA killed in the same place that a wulfen was found, this lead to the DA thinking the SW had fallen to chaos. So bombing!
LightKing wrote:Slayer, can we get some translations on the captions
Second image text says that in the Throne room on top of the Tower of Cyclops, there is a esoteric device that looks like a Burning eye, Magnus can see (scrye?) not only the whole of the Chaos realms but also the Mortal realms, and that he rarely leave the tower, but this time its for a personal matter.
3rd text says " Magnus and the Thousand Sons attack once again Fenris, the chapitral world of the Space Wolves.
While protected by Runes made by the Blue Scribes, Magnus allready killed a Wolf Lord, now he is about to get a even more prestigious trophy,-the head of Logan Grimnar, the Supreme Wolf himself!.
LightKing wrote: Arn't the Dark Angels actually running Fenris right now and not the Space Wolves
Not running as much as bombing.
why would DA be bombing Fenris in m41?
Read warzone Fenris part 1
Spoiler:
Basically the changeling managed to convince Azrael that the Wulfen were corrupted SW, by having some DA killed in the same place that a wulfen was found, this lead to the DA thinking the SW had fallen to chaos. So bombing!
Could be as simple as reprinting the regular HQs with the new psychic discipline options added in or some such. But I suppose it could still be something worthwhile instead.
Whatever happens between Magnus and Logan Grimnar I hope Grimnar's stupid sleigh doesn't survive. That's the dumbest model I've ever seen. It's like a 'wacky' scratch build an ork player would make with a 5 year old's plastic toy
So this picture makes Magnus look no bigger than the BloodThirster model, rather than as tall as the WraithKnight
I think he looks considerably bigger than a bloodthirster. A lot of the bloodthirster's size is in its wings, if you take them away it isn't such a big model. Not compared to a wraithknight or imperial knight, anyway.
I'm slightly confused about the interaction between Wrath of Magnus and Traitor Legions supplements. Will Traitor Legions have rules for Thousand Sons or will they only be in Wrath of Magnus?
No clarification on the potential 1ksons rules split between Wrath of Magnus and Traitor legions? Looks like I'll have to try this patience thing people keep telling me about and wait until both books are out.
Here's hoping any changes to Berzerkers with the upcoming World Eater updates will spill over to KDK. I don't think I can take more heartbreak after getting snubbed in Traitor's Hate and Thousand Sons getting a new lease on life. I can't help feeling like if KDK had come out one year later it would be at the same level as TS: new models and a primarch. CSM getting love all around but KDK is being treated like the red skinned step child.
While protected by Runes made by the Blue Scribes, Magnus allready killed a Wolf Lord, now he is about to get a even more prestigious trophy,-the head of Logan Grimnar, the Supreme Wolf himself!.
While protected by Runes made by the Blue Scribes, Magnus allready killed a Wolf Lord, now he is about to get a even more prestigious trophy,-the head of Logan Grimnar, the Supreme Wolf himself!.
While protected by Runes made by the Blue Scribes, Magnus allready killed a Wolf Lord, now he is about to get a even more prestigious trophy,-the head of Logan Grimnar, the Supreme Wolf himself!.
While protected by Runes made by the Blue Scribes, Magnus allready killed a Wolf Lord, now he is about to get a even more prestigious trophy,-the head of Logan Grimnar, the Supreme Wolf himself!.
Theyre going to kill off Logan? Hmmm
That is an impressive leap of logic.
Logan can handle himself just fine.
If I were going to worry about anyone it would be Bjorn who is lone defender of the Fang right now doing battle on the psychic plane in the warp.
MajorTom11 wrote: I find it odd that there is a penchant to kill of plastic characters while leaving old metals still alive and kicking but model-less...
what other Plastic characters have been killed off? The only character I can think of that was killed lately was Aun'va and he was resin.
Slightly puzzled yet intrigued by the warpflamers... is there going to be some spell or way of getting the into range? Seems weird that the whole squad can take them, really can't wait for the rules.
I'm quietly pleased with the pricing on the new thousand sons stuff. Compare £30 for 10 rubric marines to £20 for 5 slightly fancier than normal guardsmen in carapace armour not that long ago. All for it.
godswildcard wrote: Warhammer Community website says Magnus stands eye to eye with an imperial knight
Which actually doesn't say much. A Imperial Knight is noticeably shorter than a WK and the head of an IK is fairly low. If Magnus is "eye to eye" than the 20cm height reference must be including his wings. Considering a BloodThirster is "leaping", I think my original statement stands: Magnus with his feet on the ground seems only as tall as a BT that is leaping.
I'm kinda pissed that Magnus isn't a dual kit with a plastic LoC This is seriously the best time to release that, but no GW goes an releases a brand new character model (well new outside of Epic) instead of replacing the super awful finecast LoC.
I for one am glad he isn't a dual kit. The price would be jacked up a lot. For those who only want an LOC or Magnus, thats important.
I also would rather see 3 variants of LOC get released just like the bloodthirster model. Then we can get a new fateweaver in its own kit, sharing everything with the loc but having another sprue in the box, a la the skarbrand release.
Could have a summoning focused one, a psychic dakka focused one, and a manipulator/generalist one. Would definitely get my money, for one of everything.
Galef wrote: I'm kinda pissed that Magnus isn't a dual kit with a plastic LoC This is seriously the best time to release that, but no GW goes an releases a brand new character model (well new outside of Epic) instead of replacing the super awful finecast LoC.
Excited about Tzaangors though
Im guessing they are saving it for AoS Tzeentch release, which I hope is still happening and isn't too far off.
If a person does not go out of their way to read said "blurb" because they want to go into the book clean, than yes it is a spoiler.
Again, that can take place anywhere in the book and only means that it is what the daemons thing at that time, but this is not a thread for the book nor for the blurb.
If I for one wanted to see it I would have gone to the Black Library site or found another way to preview.
If a person does not go out of their way to read said "blurb" because they want to go into the book clean, than yes it is a spoiler.
Again, that can take place anywhere in the book and only means that it is what the daemons thing at that time, but this is not a thread for the book nor for the blurb.
If I for one wanted to see it I would have gone to the Black Library site or found another way to preview.
Well damn, you must really get sick of TV commercials and movie trailers then.
Bull0 wrote: I'm quietly pleased with the pricing on the new thousand sons stuff. Compare £30 for 10 rubric marines to £20 for 5 slightly fancier than normal guardsmen in carapace armour not that long ago. All for it.
If a person does not go out of their way to read said "blurb" because they want to go into the book clean, than yes it is a spoiler.
Again, that can take place anywhere in the book and only means that it is what the daemons thing at that time, but this is not a thread for the book nor for the blurb.
If I for one wanted to see it I would have gone to the Black Library site or found another way to preview.
So, how do you decide if you want to read a book?
I think there's a cautionary phrase coming to mind regarding this...
If a person does not go out of their way to read said "blurb" because they want to go into the book clean, than yes it is a spoiler.
Again, that can take place anywhere in the book and only means that it is what the daemons thing at that time, but this is not a thread for the book nor for the blurb.
If I for one wanted to see it I would have gone to the Black Library site or found another way to preview.
So, how do you decide if you want to read a book?
I think there's a cautionary phrase coming to mind regarding this...
LOL well played.
Generally I have authors that I buy everything from (sometimes to my regreat...well often to my regret) but the Warhammer books I pretty much go by faction. Space Wolves, Thousand Sons, Sisters, Grey Knights, Deathwatch...I will buy it.
To step out of that zone requries a good push.
I will say that I have leaned more toward audio books and audio dramas since Ahriman the Last Prince was really good.
If a person does not go out of their way to read said "blurb" because they want to go into the book clean, than yes it is a spoiler.
Again, that can take place anywhere in the book and only means that it is what the daemons thing at that time, but this is not a thread for the book nor for the blurb.
If I for one wanted to see it I would have gone to the Black Library site or found another way to preview.
Don't want spoilers, then don't go on the net. A lot of times a movie/book/game got spoiled for me. Nobody was to blame but myself. So fair to say don't want spoilers, take action into your own hands and don't go to a place where spoilers can happen. People need to take responsibility for their own actions instead of blaming others.
SeanDrake wrote: So what would happen if Magnus and Ahriman cast the rubicon thingy on thoe wolves who are essentially a chapter full of mutants?
Also I have a feeling that sadly santa will avoid a trip to the big pound in the sky by some deus ex.
I dont think it works that way The Rubric was basically a "volunteer" type spell. I doubt it could ever been replicated. Not to mention the inhabitants of that planet trying to stop you
Why are people so worked up by the idea that MAYBE the Wrath of Magnus rules will be different from the general Thousand Suns rules in Traitor Legions.
Wrath of Magnus is a full on Campain assault with Tzeentch Daemons and the Big Boy himself, and the TS represented in Traitor Legions will be any odd TS warband.
If there were an overarching logic behind GW's decisions on character fatalities, you would expect those whose models were in resin (Arjac, Stern), ancient (Ragnar, Stern, Azrael, Ezekiel) or who had no model at all (all those other miscellaneous Wolf Lords) to be the ones to buy the farm.
I think Logan's actual death in this campaign about as likely as Magnus' or Ahriman's.
Like i said Eldrad died ( even if it was retconned he still dead for me) and tycho died, their models and profiles for those who wants to play them in a "historical" way.
Even if Logan dies, it doesn't mean that he won't be playable anymore, it will instead add to the drama around the character.
thats also a reason why people want to see him dead, because it makes sense.
He is the greatest defender and champion of Humankind, its a logical step to have him sacrifice himself for what he belief, it adds depth and a sense of duty and tension to a character.
Having him survive everything thrown at him just " because" only enforce the "plot armour" syndrome, where if someone reads something about him been in "grave danger" they'de be like " well not much of danger here, he's the main character he won't die, thats boring", but him dying put back tension into the story and some drama, where you can again feel excitement because their destinies are unsure.
And whats more Marines life by the sword, and die by the sword.
GoatboyBeta wrote: No clarification on the potential 1ksons rules split between Wrath of Magnus and Traitor legions? Looks like I'll have to try this patience thing people keep telling me about and wait until both books are out.
You'll be able to see Saturday what's in Wrath of Magnus, unless it's spoiled this week, which is entirely possible.
lord_blackfang wrote: GW made a plastic Eldrad a decade after killing him off in the fluff.
And how many years after having retconned him to not have died after all? Nine?
Slayer le boucher wrote: thats also a reason why people want to see him dead, because it makes sense.
He is the greatest defender and champion of Humankind, its a logical step to have him sacrifice himself for what he belief, it adds depth and a sense of duty and tension to a character.
Exactly the same logic, however, would apply to killing Ragnar, or indeed any other named character, so that's no kind of compelling argument for the likelihood of Logan's death. Don't confuse reasons his death would be narratively satisfying with reasons GW are likely to actually kill the character off.
How do we have nothing at all on rules yet? The facebook team even said GW proper is going to give us some information on the rules. Stop slacking rumour-mongers
People complain about Calgar being a Marty Stu but he never beat the demon out of a weapon.
Plus being the leader of one of the most obnoxious chapters doesn't help.
Or he got the Rune and Iron Priests to do it. It's amazing how many issues in 40k vanish when you apply a tiny bit of common sense.
Except when has that ever happened anywhere else in the 40K universe?
Hell, even the Grey Knights weren't able to exorcise the daemon out of Crowe's sword and getting rid of daemons is their speciality.
That's because the grey knights want to keep the daemon in that sword where it is trapped, rather than exorcizing it where it can come back later just to use the weapon.
LightKing wrote: wasn't it said that Logan surpassed Russ in combat ability?
I believe the word that was used was "almost". Russ is 10,000 years older than Grimnar and has seen far more conflict.
i meant in pure power and fighting ability...does Logan surpass Russ?
Russ is a Primarch, so no. Logan could be a complete badass, though.
Primarchs are superior to 30k regular astartes
but Primarchs compared to 40k regular astartes are equal
Holy crap! I want what you're one good sir! 40k Marines are actually worse off genetically than 30k. Only technology gives them some form of advantage and that's even debatable considering they lost most of it. Primarchs have the strength of hundreds of marines.
Slayer le boucher wrote: Like i said Eldrad died ( even if it was retconned he still dead for me) and tycho died, their models and profiles for those who wants to play them in a "historical" way.
Even if Logan dies, it doesn't mean that he won't be playable anymore, it will instead add to the drama around the character.
thats also a reason why people want to see him dead, because it makes sense.
He is the greatest defender and champion of Humankind, its a logical step to have him sacrifice himself for what he belief, it adds depth and a sense of duty and tension to a character.
Having him survive everything thrown at him just " because" only enforce the "plot armour" syndrome, where if someone reads something about him been in "grave danger" they'de be like " well not much of danger here, he's the main character he won't die, thats boring", but him dying put back tension into the story and some drama, where you can again feel excitement because their destinies are unsure.
And whats more Marines life by the sword, and die by the sword.
What makes you think Logan is greater than any of the other chapter masters as a champion of humanity?
Dude, you're all over these threads with questions that are, are best, tangential to the subject.
If you've got questions, 40K Wiki is a great first port of call, if not, then the 40K background and general discussion are the best place for "could x beat y in a fight" type discussion.
Slayer le boucher wrote: Like i said Eldrad died ( even if it was retconned he still dead for me) and tycho died, their models and profiles for those who wants to play them in a "historical" way.
Even if Logan dies, it doesn't mean that he won't be playable anymore, it will instead add to the drama around the character.
thats also a reason why people want to see him dead, because it makes sense.
He is the greatest defender and champion of Humankind, its a logical step to have him sacrifice himself for what he belief, it adds depth and a sense of duty and tension to a character.
Having him survive everything thrown at him just " because" only enforce the "plot armour" syndrome, where if someone reads something about him been in "grave danger" they'de be like " well not much of danger here, he's the main character he won't die, thats boring", but him dying put back tension into the story and some drama, where you can again feel excitement because their destinies are unsure.
And whats more Marines life by the sword, and die by the sword.
What makes you think Logan is greater than any of the other chapter masters as a champion of humanity?
Simple, 1st War for Armageddon.
Logan going head to head with GK grand master, because he doesn't like the fact that they have to kill off all the population and IG that fought against the Chaos Hordes of Angron.
Any other Chapter MAster will be like" okay Gk's do your duty" Him? he told them to feth off, he thinks about the small people, unlike all the others who see Imperial Citizens and IG's or anything below Astartes just as fodder and low lifes.
Thats whats make him Humankind greatest Champion, the others are the Imperium Champions, wich for me is not the same thing.
Logan going head to head with GK grand master, because he doesn't like the fact that they have to kill off all the population and IG that fought against the Chaos Hordes of Angron.
Any other Chapter MAster will be like" okay Gk's do your duty" Him? he told them to feth off, he thinks about the small people, unlike all the others who see Imperial Citizens and IG's or anything below Astartes just as fodder and low lifes.
Thats whats make him Humankind greatest Champion, the others are the Imperium Champions, wich for me is not the same thing.
From what I've read, Logan, the Wolves, and the Salamanders are just plain bros to humans. They love the little sacs of flesh. Every other chapter, as you said, would peace out as soon as the GK decided on genocide.
Slayer le boucher wrote: Like i said Eldrad died ( even if it was retconned he still dead for me) and tycho died, their models and profiles for those who wants to play them in a "historical" way.
Even if Logan dies, it doesn't mean that he won't be playable anymore, it will instead add to the drama around the character.
thats also a reason why people want to see him dead, because it makes sense.
He is the greatest defender and champion of Humankind, its a logical step to have him sacrifice himself for what he belief, it adds depth and a sense of duty and tension to a character.
Having him survive everything thrown at him just " because" only enforce the "plot armour" syndrome, where if someone reads something about him been in "grave danger" they'de be like " well not much of danger here, he's the main character he won't die, thats boring", but him dying put back tension into the story and some drama, where you can again feel excitement because their destinies are unsure.
And whats more Marines life by the sword, and die by the sword.
What makes you think Logan is greater than any of the other chapter masters as a champion of humanity?
Simple, 1st War for Armageddon.
Logan going head to head with GK grand master, because he doesn't like the fact that they have to kill off all the population and IG that fought against the Chaos Hordes of Angron.
Any other Chapter MAster will be like" okay Gk's do your duty" Him? he told them to feth off, he thinks about the small people, unlike all the others who see Imperial Citizens and IG's or anything below Astartes just as fodder and low lifes.
Thats whats make him Humankind greatest Champion, the others are the Imperium Champions, wich for me is not the same thing.
Even though they were clearly a risk? They're a bunch of short sighted donkey-caves.
Slayer le boucher wrote: Like i said Eldrad died ( even if it was retconned he still dead for me) and tycho died, their models and profiles for those who wants to play them in a "historical" way.
Even if Logan dies, it doesn't mean that he won't be playable anymore, it will instead add to the drama around the character.
thats also a reason why people want to see him dead, because it makes sense.
He is the greatest defender and champion of Humankind, its a logical step to have him sacrifice himself for what he belief, it adds depth and a sense of duty and tension to a character.
Having him survive everything thrown at him just " because" only enforce the "plot armour" syndrome, where if someone reads something about him been in "grave danger" they'de be like " well not much of danger here, he's the main character he won't die, thats boring", but him dying put back tension into the story and some drama, where you can again feel excitement because their destinies are unsure.
And whats more Marines life by the sword, and die by the sword.
What makes you think Logan is greater than any of the other chapter masters as a champion of humanity?
Simple, 1st War for Armageddon.
Logan going head to head with GK grand master, because he doesn't like the fact that they have to kill off all the population and IG that fought against the Chaos Hordes of Angron.
Any other Chapter MAster will be like" okay Gk's do your duty" Him? he told them to feth off, he thinks about the small people, unlike all the others who see Imperial Citizens and IG's or anything below Astartes just as fodder and low lifes.
Thats whats make him Humankind greatest Champion, the others are the Imperium Champions, wich for me is not the same thing.
Slayer le boucher wrote: Like i said Eldrad died ( even if it was retconned he still dead for me) and tycho died, their models and profiles for those who wants to play them in a "historical" way.
Even if Logan dies, it doesn't mean that he won't be playable anymore, it will instead add to the drama around the character.
thats also a reason why people want to see him dead, because it makes sense.
He is the greatest defender and champion of Humankind, its a logical step to have him sacrifice himself for what he belief, it adds depth and a sense of duty and tension to a character.
Having him survive everything thrown at him just " because" only enforce the "plot armour" syndrome, where if someone reads something about him been in "grave danger" they'de be like " well not much of danger here, he's the main character he won't die, thats boring", but him dying put back tension into the story and some drama, where you can again feel excitement because their destinies are unsure.
And whats more Marines life by the sword, and die by the sword.
What makes you think Logan is greater than any of the other chapter masters as a champion of humanity?
Simple, 1st War for Armageddon.
Logan going head to head with GK grand master, because he doesn't like the fact that they have to kill off all the population and IG that fought against the Chaos Hordes of Angron.
Any other Chapter MAster will be like" okay Gk's do your duty" Him? he told them to feth off, he thinks about the small people, unlike all the others who see Imperial Citizens and IG's or anything below Astartes just as fodder and low lifes.
Thats whats make him Humankind greatest Champion, the others are the Imperium Champions, wich for me is not the same thing.
Even though they were clearly a risk? They're a bunch of short sighted donkey-caves.
Oh no. I really hope the rumors and theories aren't true about Russ. I hope to god he wasn't turned into a giant naked werewolf... I see the giant werewolf in the back of that picture that is much larger than the thunderwolf on the right side (and standing on two legs).
As a primarch, he should be able to heal and keep from mutation. It would be a horrible abomination if he turned into a mindless or even mindful wulfen. It would be awesome if he returned in splendant decorated armor with his spear and sword.
It would be even better if he had to team up with the Lion to kill Magnus. Brothers become brothers again??? It would be a shame if he turned into a big beast like the lion used to kill and needed to be purged by the glory of the 1st legion.
455_PWR wrote: Oh no. I really hope the rumors and theories aren't true about Russ. I hope to god he wasn't turned into a giant naked werewolf... I see the giant werewolf in the back of that picture that is much larger than the thunderwolf on the right side (and standing on two legs).
As a primarch, he should be able to heal and keep from mutation. It would be a horrible abomination if he turned into a mindless or even mindful wulfen. It would be awesome if he returned in splendant decorated armor with his spear and sword.
It would be even better if he had to team up with the Lion to kill Magnus. Brothers become brothers again??? It would be a shame if he turned into a big beast like the lion used to kill and needed to be purged by the glory of the 1st legion.
It would just be another example of current GW writers ignoring their own backstory and the FW Horus Heresy series. Primarchs *are* created with warp knowledge and thus wouldn't be affected in any normal manner.. There is no real reason that a Primarch would degenerate since they don't have "geneseed" since that is a Space Marine thing.
For anyone thinking that there is no way GW would put the axe to Grimnar (so to speak) remember that the most successful fantasy series ever at the moment is Game of Thrones... for those of you who hadn't read the books, who foresaw Ned Stark losing his head at the end of Series 1? I wouldn't be surprised if new GW are taking note and going "Huh, so you can kill off a main character and people still buy in to it?"
Could be that they think adding a bit of gritty realism to their Grimdark space fantasy might help more people buy into new GW/endtimes/emperor times?
Just a thought... personally I have no desire to see Logan killed off, even if his dorky sled is silly. (SW player here)
First the Changeling fooled the Dark Angels. Now the Tzeentch daemons in the White Dwarf blurb fool the Space Wolves. And DakkaDakka too, it seems.
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Wrath of Magnus is technically part 3 of the WZF Storyline. The first two (campaign book and MacNiven's Legacy of Russ) are a recommended read. Especially those MacNiven stories, now being re-released as a tie-in novel (part 2) which connect the campaign books.
Slayer le boucher wrote: Like i said Eldrad died ( even if it was retconned he still dead for me) and tycho died, their models and profiles for those who wants to play them in a "historical" way.
Even if Logan dies, it doesn't mean that he won't be playable anymore, it will instead add to the drama around the character.
thats also a reason why people want to see him dead, because it makes sense.
He is the greatest defender and champion of Humankind, its a logical step to have him sacrifice himself for what he belief, it adds depth and a sense of duty and tension to a character.
Having him survive everything thrown at him just " because" only enforce the "plot armour" syndrome, where if someone reads something about him been in "grave danger" they'de be like " well not much of danger here, he's the main character he won't die, thats boring", but him dying put back tension into the story and some drama, where you can again feel excitement because their destinies are unsure.
And whats more Marines life by the sword, and die by the sword.
What makes you think Logan is greater than any of the other chapter masters as a champion of humanity?
Simple, 1st War for Armageddon.
Logan going head to head with GK grand master, because he doesn't like the fact that they have to kill off all the population and IG that fought against the Chaos Hordes of Angron.
Any other Chapter MAster will be like" okay Gk's do your duty" Him? he told them to feth off, he thinks about the small people, unlike all the others who see Imperial Citizens and IG's or anything below Astartes just as fodder and low lifes.
Thats whats make him Humankind greatest Champion, the others are the Imperium Champions, wich for me is not the same thing.
Even though they were clearly a risk? They're a bunch of short sighted donkey-caves.
How did Draigo react to Logan when he said that?
His answer to Logan was..I LIKE HAM !!! and then he ran off to follow his dream and he became a sun
455_PWR wrote: It would be a horrible abomination if he turned into a mindless or even mindful wulfen.
Nah. That would be the only way to maintain the theme of the setting about the Imperium decaying and everything turning into crap. Shiny superhero in his shiny armour returning to save the day would be extremely lame. A former hero turned into a monster finding the last glimmer of his humanity in order to save the day would be nicely grim dark.
GW would sell a lot of 50$ books to all the 18-23 year olds tho if they went the super hero route. Wizards of the Coast has done it with the Gatewatch to mimic The Avengers.
I wouldn't be surprised if more and more companies create teams of super heroes to sell product with!
but Primarchs compared to 40k regular astartes are equal
Please tell me you're joking?
Legionnaires were MORE skilled than their 40K counterparts.
Even if the opposite was true, a Primarch has an incredible genetic advantage over a Space Marine.
In what world would a regular Space Marine be the equal of a bloody Primarch!?
Oh, and to answer your question, Logan would get ripped apart by Russ but might put up a bit of a fight.
Yea, just like it's even more preposterous that a space marine could beat a daemon primarch in single combat and rip out his heart.....oh wait. -_-
Which is to say it makes no sense and seriously diminishes the awe surrounding primarchs, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
Roknar wrote: Yea, just like it's even more preposterous that a space marine could beat a daemon primarch in single combat and rip out his heart.....oh wait. -_-
Which is to say it makes no sense and seriously diminishes the awe surrounding primarchs, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
Ridiculous as it was, Draigo was a Grey Knight, not a "regular Astartes". Didn't he know Mortarion's true name as well? Makes a big difference with Daemons.
Roknar wrote: Yea, just like it's even more preposterous that a space marine could beat a daemon primarch in single combat and rip out his heart.....oh wait. -_-
Which is to say it makes no sense and seriously diminishes the awe surrounding primarchs, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
Ridiculous as it was, Draigo was a Grey Knight, not a "regular Astartes". Didn't he know Mortarion's true name as well? Makes a big difference with Daemons.
Did he have his super special deamon killing sword too?
Roknar wrote: Yea, just like it's even more preposterous that a space marine could beat a daemon primarch in single combat and rip out his heart.....oh wait. -_-
Which is to say it makes no sense and seriously diminishes the awe surrounding primarchs, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
Ridiculous as it was, Draigo was a Grey Knight, not a "regular Astartes". Didn't he know Mortarion's true name as well? Makes a big difference with Daemons.
Did he have his super special deamon killing sword too?
Pretty sure that blade is the domain of the Grand Masters only, Draigo might have picked it up off of Geronitan's corpse but I can't remember if he did exactly.
I just checked and yeah, Draigo beat Mortarion by uttering his true name which is a pretty much guaranteed means to banish a Daemon.
"Ha ha! Pitiful servant of the False Emperor! What could you possibly do to me, Mortarion, Daemon Primarch of the Death Guard."
"Be warned, Mortarion, for I know you true name."
"Oh really? Then what is it?"
"Mortarion!!!"
"No! I am undone!"
Isn't his name Mortarion? What other names does he have?
H.B.M.C. wrote: "Ha ha! Pitiful servant of the False Emperor! What could you possibly do to me, Mortarion, Daemon Primarch of the Death Guard." "Be warned, Mortarion, for I know you true name." "Oh really? Then what is it?" "Mortarion!!!" "No! I am undone!"
Isn't his name Mortarion? What other names does he have?
No, no, no. His Daemon name is totally different. It's Noiratrom and you have to trick him to say it to banish himself.
Jesus, Mister Mxyzptlk was a stupid fething villian
If it follows most other tropes, every living being has a true name. It's usually an archaic name, not one that most even know themselves. It gives you power over them, and keeps them from harming you. I good way to understand this is from the first Hellboy movie.
H.B.M.C. wrote: "Ha ha! Pitiful servant of the False Emperor! What could you possibly do to me, Mortarion, Daemon Primarch of the Death Guard."
"Be warned, Mortarion, for I know you true name."
"Oh really? Then what is it?"
"Mortarion!!!"
"No! I am undone!"
Isn't his name Mortarion? What other names does he have?
Mortarion was, apparently, the name given to him by the notavampiremonsterthing that raised him when he was lost.
He has an actual name, known only to the Emperor/Grey Knights.
Mr Goulding has confirmed that this is pretty much a singular case -- ie there's not a book with the secret/true names of all the traitor Primarchs -- if only so they don't tell the same story 2/3/4/5+ etc etc times over.
I think it worth pointing out that Mortarion had already been fighting a fair few GKs too when he was banished.
The Grey Knights have the True Names of ALL the Primarchs? If afirmative, what about Angron in Armaggedon?
No, It doesn't work like that, at all...
I'm pretty sure it was explicitly stated in 'Mortarion's Heart' that he was a unique case. HE ALONE had a name that wasn't intended by the Emperor, but "Mortarion" was allowed to stand - but M didn't know anything about it.
It's the secrecy that gives his true name its power. I wish the neckbeards would stop trying to outsmart authors and editors with half-baked theories, comparing Warhmmer apples with Warhammer oranges... rolleyes.gif
(And if the other daemon primarchs DO have true names, the Grey Knights don't know them. Otherwise we'd just be telling the same story 8 more times, or whatever.)
On the other hand, why would a name which Mortarion never used be his true name? Just because the Emperor intended to call him something doesn't mean that that is his true name.
A true name should be something which reflects the true nature of the person. The emperor had no knowledge of his sons character, so how would he even know his true name? And even if he did, that name would have changed as Mortarion evolved from what he was at the beginning into what he is now.
A Town Called Malus wrote: On the other hand, why would a name which Mortarion never used be his true name? Just because the Emperor intended to call him something doesn't mean that that is his true name.
A true name should be something which reflects the true nature of the person. The emperor had no knowledge of his sons character, so how would he even know his true name? And even if he did, that name would have changed as Mortarion evolved from what he was at the beginning into what he is now.
By that logic, the true name thing wouldn't work on Daemons either. Let's use a random example....say, Skulltaker. Skulltaker obviously isn't his true name, but it is the name he uses and what everyone knows him as. Would Skulltaker have any knowledge of what his "true name" is? Would it matter?
And most often a True name is unpronounceable, often something like: sjkfivue nmalmcs or some other such non-sense the looks like your cat sat on your keyboard. So how could it "reflect" the true nature of the person.
Again, you guys are not understanding the purpose of a True Name. You're thinking too human like. "Your name is John, I know your True Name!". No. Your true name is not the name you're born with. It is a reflection of your soul. Knowing someones true name gives you control over them.
nintura wrote: Again, you guys are not understanding the purpose of a True Name. You're thinking too human like. "Your name is John, I know your True Name!". No. Your true name is not the name you're born with. It is a reflection of your soul. Knowing someones true name gives you control over them.
nintura wrote: Again, you guys are not understanding the purpose of a True Name. You're thinking too human like. "Your name is John, I know your True Name!". No. Your true name is not the name you're born with. It is a reflection of your soul. Knowing someones true name gives you control over them.
A Town Called Malus wrote: On the other hand, why would a name which Mortarion never used be his true name? Just because the Emperor intended to call him something doesn't mean that that is his true name.
.
.. Might be related to how the Primarchs are born made.
Davor wrote: So what is a true name then? Isn't it what you are born with when your parents name you?
Depends on the setting. In most respects, it's not so much a name (like Susan or Theresa) as it is a descriptor of who you are at your core, the word that describes your "soul". In many cases, that descriptive word just happens to be a name because people are complicated. Like, you know how sometimes there's a person and you're like "Oh, he's just being Jim, that's the way he is!", and there's no better way to describe him than "Jim" because he can't be boiled down to "outgoing" or any other one word descriptors. Similar for Demons and the like, but more powerful.
In much media, speaking something's True Name (especially Demons/Devils/magical creatures) means that you have made a connection to the core of their being and therefore have some sort of control over them. Like knowing their personal VPN and the login to get in.
With Mortarion, it seems like a bit of a stretch, since usually True Names for mortals change with time (because people change as they grow, while Demons generally do not change much over the eras). But The Emperor is a pretty powerful dude so maybe his Names are just that strongly tied to his son's legacies.
Davor wrote: So what is a true name then? Isn't it what you are born with when your parents name you?
Read the posts above
But if you want an example, go watch the first Hellboy movie, towards the end. You'll see where the chains that hold him have his true name etched into them, and thus he cannot break them. Speaking someones true name is the same.
Davor wrote: So what is a true name then? Isn't it what you are born with when your parents name you?
Read the posts above
But if you want an example, go watch the first Hellboy movie, towards the end. You'll see where the chains that hold him have his true name etched into them, and thus he cannot break them. Speaking someones true name is the same.
Neverwinter Nights: Hordes of the Underdark has a good example too. My favorite way to kill the final boss is learning his True Name and then ask him to kill himself. Easy, peasy.
Davor wrote: So what is a true name then? Isn't it what you are born with when your parents name you?
Take your name.
Then think about all the experiences in your life. The joy, the pain, the heartbreak, the triumphs and the failures. Your first apartment, the first time you cooked and set your eyebrows on fire, your first love and the subsequent breakup...
That's the idea of the "true name", at least in the Dresden Files.
The idea of the true name, as mentioned, isn't new. But that's not a bad way to look at it. Simply knowing Dave the Daemonically Possessed's name isn't enough. You have to know Dave's name and his life. You effectively have to imbue the pronouncement of the name with that idea.
Clockpunk wrote: I presume the Tzangors don't have fantasy options... and I'll have to just hope they put out a box set suited for AoS?
There's a "Simple Weapon" option in the product description, but we haven't seen exactly how that plays out beyond the weapons looking similar to the AoS ones.
True Names are like your real name offline vs your username. If we consider on-line to be a separate universe (in some ways it is) than our usernames are those that we pick or are chosen for use, just like ones name in the 40k universe While our real names are often hidden to protect ourselves, like our True Name in the Warp.
For example, my user name is Galef. That is my name on this forum and it has no power over me. However let's say my real name is Jon Alexander Pepperton (it's not, but let's go with that). If you know what my real name is, you may be able to steal my identity and that could severely hurt me in real life, especially if you match other personal info from me, like my birthday, ssn#, etc. Hacking my bank account, signing up for credit cards can financially destroy me.
When CSM get legion tactics, does that mean we no longer get to field special characters like Abaddon, Kharn, Ahriman etc. in detachments (formations, CADs etc.) using other legion tactics?
I ask because I have a terminator lord kit and Abaddon weapons ready to assemble as an Alpha Legion lord using Abaddon's rules. Should I hold off on doing that for now?
You know how when you're little and you misbehave..
and then your mum yells your full name at you -- somehow entirely in capitals - possibly with " what exactly do you think you are doing... young man/lady" ( as appropriate) tacked on at the end..
You know how when you're little and you misbehave..
and then your mum yells your full name at you -- somehow entirely in capitals - possibly with " what exactly do you think you are doing... young man/lady" ( as appropriate) tacked on at the end..
You know how when you're little and you misbehave..
and then your mum yells your full name at you -- somehow entirely in capitals - possibly with " what exactly do you think you are doing... young man/lady" ( as appropriate) tacked on at the end..
.. and you kind of freeze ..
a more grimdark version of that.
Not a bad description, anyway.
While funny, you could still kinda ignore your mum. (At your discretion...) I like the other example of the online/offline name.
nintura wrote: Also, wasn't that retconned and removed? That's Matt Ward for you.... creating ridiculous scenarios.
GW don't do much retconning and that's so small case unlikely to have been. Just by not being mentioned in latest codex does not reconn it out of fluff.
They ret'con quite often actually. I know for a fact they removed the whole "bathing in the blood of the sisters" part of the codex. And I'm pretty sure they ret'conned and removed the mortarion's heart part if not all of it. Ever hear of the Necrons?
nintura wrote: They ret'con quite often actually. I know for a fact they removed the whole "bathing in the blood of the sisters" part of the codex. And I'm pretty sure they ret'conned and removed the mortarion's heart part if not all of it. Ever hear of the Necrons?
Just because it's not in newest codex does not mean it was retconned out of existance. If it was 40k background would be lot thinner.
In Fantasy 5th ed there was page about high elf writing system in army book. Because it wasn't in 6th ed did that get retconned out? No it's still just as valid as it was.
If newer fluff doesn't specifically contradict older then the old is still valid. Eldrad's death was retconned as there's him in newer fluff. THAT is retcon. Simply not having case mentioned in new book is not retcon.
So new psychic powers are up on faeit, if they actually are real than that's a quit the game moment I won't begrudge people. They make angels of death powers look like Interromancy. Running 2-3 culexus will be largely mandatory, which, can't run SoS cause they aren't great against shooting and Tsons have AP3 bolters.
nintura wrote: They ret'con quite often actually. I know for a fact they removed the whole "bathing in the blood of the sisters" part of the codex. And I'm pretty sure they ret'conned and removed the mortarion's heart part if not all of it. Ever hear of the Necrons?
Just because it's not in newest codex does not mean it was retconned out of existance. If it was 40k background would be lot thinner.
In Fantasy 5th ed there was page about high elf writing system in army book. Because it wasn't in 6th ed did that get retconned out? No it's still just as valid as it was.
If newer fluff doesn't specifically contradict older then the old is still valid. Eldrad's death was retconned as there's him in newer fluff. THAT is retcon. Simply not having case mentioned in new book is not retcon.
Sure. of course. Except when they release the same identical codex and then don't include it.
lonewolf81 wrote: Tha same guy also said the following "" Formations are, unsurprisingly, organized into a greater detachment that includes a collection of smaller ones. Black Crusade Detachment: (1+ Core, 1-10 Auxiliary, 0-3 Exalted Champions) *** Lord of the Black Crusade: Your Warlord can roll for a second warlord trait, rerolling any duplicates. *** Dark Ascension: Characters in this detachment make a free roll on the Boon table at the start of the game, rerolling any results of Spawndom or Dark Apotheosis. The result of this roll applies for the rest of the game""
Black Crusade Detachment: (1+ Core, 1-10 Auxiliary, 0-3 Exalted Champions) *** Lord of the Black Crusade: Your Warlord can roll for a second warlord trait, rerolling any duplicates. *** Dark Ascension: Characters in this detachment make a free roll on the Boon table at the start of the game, rerolling any results of Spawndom or Dark Apotheosis. The result of this roll applies for the rest of the game.
Compare this to the actual rules:
Spoiler:
Black Crusade Detachment
Force Organization
Command: 0-5 of the following Chaos Lord, Sorcerer, Daemon Prince
Core: 1+ Choas Warband Formation, Maelstrom of Gore Formation, The Lost and the Damned Formation
Auxiliary: 1+ Helforged Warpack Formation, Heldrake Terror Pack Formation, Cult of Destruction Formation, Fist of the Gods Formation, Raptor Talon Formaiton, Terminator Annihilation Force Formation, Favoured of the Chaos Formation, Trinity of Blood Formation, 1-3 Chaos Spawn Units, 1-4 uits from the following list Khorne Berzerkers, Thousand Sons, Plague Marines, Noise Marines.
Restrictions: This Detachment must include a minimum of one Core choice and one Auxiliary choice. It can optionally include any number of additional Core or Auxiliary choices, in any combination, and up to five Command choices. Only the datasheets listed here can be included in this Detachment, and all units in the Detachment must have the Chaos Space Marines Faction.
Command Benefits:
Lords of Chaos: If this Detachment is chosen as your Primary Detachment, you can chose to re-roll the result of the Chaos Space Marines Warlord Traits tables.
Death to the False Emperor: All units in this Detachment have the Hatred (Armies of the Imperium) special rule. In addition, any unit from this Detachment that has the option of taking the Veterans of the Long War special rule can do so for free.
Path to Glory: At the start of each friendly turn choose a model in this Detachment with the Champion of Chaos special rule and roll on the Chaos Boon table. The model has that result for the rest of the game. If the model has the Favoured Scions special rule, roll twice and apply one or both results
Source: Supplement: Traitor’s Hate
So looking at that formation he posted:
RUMOR: Black Crusade Detachment: (1+ Core, 1-10 Auxiliary, 0-3 Exalted Champions) REALITY: Black Crusade Detachment: (1+ Core, 1+ Big List of specific Aux Choices, 1-3 Spawn, 1-4 Cult Troops, 0-5 Command) RESULT: FALSE
RUMOR: *** Lord of the Black Crusade: Your Warlord can roll for a second warlord trait, rerolling any duplicates. REALITY: Lords of Chaos: If this Detachment is chosen as your Primary Detachment, you can chose to re-roll the result of the Chaos Space Marines Warlord Traits tables. RESULT: PARTIALLY CORRECT. I mean, he just guessed the most likely Command benefit and even got that wrong.
RUMOR: *** Dark Ascension: Characters in this detachment make a free roll on the Boon table at the start of the game, rerolling any results of Spawndom or Dark Apotheosis. The result of this roll applies for the rest of the game. REALITY: Path to Glory: At the start of each friendly turn choose a model in this Detachment with the Champion of Chaos special rule and roll on the Chaos Boon table. The model has that result for the rest of the game. If the model has the Favoured Scions special rule, roll twice and apply one or both results RESULT: FALSE. He got that it was a Boon command trait, but not wasn't really that close.
RUMOR: No further details REALITY: Death to the False Emperor: All units in this Detachment have the Hatred (Armies of the Imperium) special rule. In addition, any unit from this Detachment that has the option of taking the Veterans of the Long War special rule can do so for free. RESULT: He didn't even get this one.
Hm, I'd call Dark Ascension/Path to Glory at least partially correct.
It's a bit hard to tell if he just knew about a "working copy" that changed or it was an educated guess. I'd go with the latter (Boons and Warlord traits are easy guesses), but it's possible.
Requizen wrote: Hm, I'd call Dark Ascension/Path to Glory at least partially correct.
It's a bit hard to tell if he just knew about a "working copy" that changed or it was an educated guess. I'd go with the latter (Boons and Warlord traits are easy guesses), but it's possible.
I dunno, the name is different and the effect is pretty different.
Requizen wrote: Hm, I'd call Dark Ascension/Path to Glory at least partially correct.
It's a bit hard to tell if he just knew about a "working copy" that changed or it was an educated guess. I'd go with the latter (Boons and Warlord traits are easy guesses), but it's possible.
I dunno, the name is different and the effect is pretty different.
ERJAK wrote: So new psychic powers are up on faeit, if they actually are real than that's a quit the game moment I won't begrudge people. They make angels of death powers look like Interromancy. Running 2-3 culexus will be largely mandatory, which, can't run SoS cause they aren't great against shooting and Tsons have AP3 bolters.
Well, without knowing warp charge costs, it's hard to tell if any of them is actually bonkers, or lame.
And small print details can change a lot (for example, if the primaris can get it only up to 3+,its a whole other story.)
ERJAK wrote: So new psychic powers are up on faeit, if they actually are real than that's a quit the game moment I won't begrudge people. They make angels of death powers look like Interromancy. Running 2-3 culexus will be largely mandatory, which, can't run SoS cause they aren't great against shooting and Tsons have AP3 bolters.
Well, without knowing warp charge costs, it's hard to tell if any of them is actually bonkers, or lame.
And small print details can change a lot (for example, if the primaris can get it only up to 3+,its a whole other story.)
Up on Faeit? Excuse me while I clearly freak out over here. For realsies. I'm taking it super seriously. Burning my models etc.
You know how when you're little and you misbehave..
and then your mum yells your full name at you -- somehow entirely in capitals - possibly with " what exactly do you think you are doing... young man/lady" ( as appropriate) tacked on at the end..
.. and you kind of freeze ..
a more grimdark version of that.
Yep. That's an exaltable post if I've ever seen one.
You know how when you're little and you misbehave..
and then your mum yells your full name at you -- somehow entirely in capitals - possibly with " what exactly do you think you are doing... young man/lady" ( as appropriate) tacked on at the end..
.. and you kind of freeze ..
a more grimdark version of that.
Yep. That's an exaltable post if I've ever seen one.
Indeed. The only mistake in it is that "when you're little" condition. When your mum uses your full name you are always little.
nagash42 wrote: The limited edition book comes with warpflame markers so why would the psychic list not use that rule? Unless they are just for the demon book part.
Because I would bet your lunch money that the Thousand Son flamers will have warpflame
are the Space Wolves antagonist or friendly towards the Wulfen
because arn't Wulfen xenos?
They have hunted them when they are beyond redemption, but they are friendly toward them generally as they recognize that these are their brothers and what happened is not their fault.
nagash42 wrote: The limited edition book comes with warpflame markers so why would the psychic list not use that rule? Unless they are just for the demon book part.
Because I would bet your lunch money that the Thousand Son flamers will have warpflame
Wait why my lunch money? I need my lunch money for lunch.
I guess that's why you would take a whole unit of flamwrs to hopefully wipe out the enemy unit before they get fnp.
nagash42 wrote: The limited edition book comes with warpflame markers so why would the psychic list not use that rule? Unless they are just for the demon book part.
Because I would bet your lunch money that the Thousand Son flamers will have warpflame
are the Space Wolves antagonist or friendly towards the Wulfen
because arn't Wulfen xenos?
They have hunted them when they are beyond redemption, but they are friendly toward them generally as they recognize that these are their brothers and what happened is not their fault.
reading lexicanum...it says that the Space Wolves believe the Wulfen are the key to finding Russ? is this true
nagash42 wrote: The limited edition book comes with warpflame markers so why would the psychic list not use that rule? Unless they are just for the demon book part.
Because I would bet your lunch money that the Thousand Son flamers will have warpflame
We've seen a pic of the Thousand Sons Terminators which calls the kit's heavy flamer as a Heavy Warpflamer.
I like to thank you all for helping me with "true name" Greatly appreciated.
Spoiler:
Requizen wrote:
Davor wrote: So what is a true name then? Isn't it what you are born with when your parents name you?
Depends on the setting. In most respects, it's not so much a name (like Susan or Theresa) as it is a descriptor of who you are at your core, the word that describes your "soul". In many cases, that descriptive word just happens to be a name because people are complicated. Like, you know how sometimes there's a person and you're like "Oh, he's just being Jim, that's the way he is!", and there's no better way to describe him than "Jim" because he can't be boiled down to "outgoing" or any other one word descriptors. Similar for Demons and the like, but more powerful.
In much media, speaking something's True Name (especially Demons/Devils/magical creatures) means that you have made a connection to the core of their being and therefore have some sort of control over them. Like knowing their personal VPN and the login to get in.
With Mortarion, it seems like a bit of a stretch, since usually True Names for mortals change with time (because people change as they grow, while Demons generally do not change much over the eras). But The Emperor is a pretty powerful dude so maybe his Names are just that strongly tied to his son's legacies.
Thank you that helps me understand better.
nintura wrote:
Davor wrote: So what is a true name then? Isn't it what you are born with when your parents name you?
Read the posts above
But if you want an example, go watch the first Hellboy movie, towards the end. You'll see where the chains that hold him have his true name etched into them, and thus he cannot break them. Speaking someones true name is the same.
I think I will do that now. Always easier for me when I can see this visually.
Kanluwen wrote:
Davor wrote: So what is a true name then? Isn't it what you are born with when your parents name you?
Take your name.
Then think about all the experiences in your life. The joy, the pain, the heartbreak, the triumphs and the failures. Your first apartment, the first time you cooked and set your eyebrows on fire, your first love and the subsequent breakup...
That's the idea of the "true name", at least in the Dresden Files.
The idea of the true name, as mentioned, isn't new. But that's not a bad way to look at it. Simply knowing Dave the Daemonically Possessed's name isn't enough. You have to know Dave's name and his life. You effectively have to imbue the pronouncement of the name with that idea.
Hard for me to really understand this, but it does make sense that I didn't understand reading the wiki link. Thank you.
kronk wrote:
Davor wrote: So what is a true name then? Isn't it what you are born with when your parents name you?
I did that, and got even more confused. What version is GW using? One of these or their own made up version?
Galef wrote:True Names are like your real name offline vs your username. If we consider on-line to be a separate universe (in some ways it is) than our usernames are those that we pick or are chosen for use, just like ones name in the 40k universe While our real names are often hidden to protect ourselves, like our True Name in the Warp.
For example, my user name is Galef. That is my name on this forum and it has no power over me. However let's say my real name is Jon Alexander Pepperton (it's not, but let's go with that). If you know what my real name is, you may be able to steal my identity and that could severely hurt me in real life, especially if you match other personal info from me, like my birthday, ssn#, etc. Hacking my bank account, signing up for credit cards can financially destroy me.
True Names are kind like that.
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That is what I thought of, so the name at birth. Names can change many times but only the birth name is ever your first. I know a few people's names are not what we call them and their birth name is different and they don't use it for what ever reason. Your explanation is the one I think of the most.
You know how when you're little and you misbehave..
and then your mum yells your full name at you -- somehow entirely in capitals - possibly with " what exactly do you think you are doing... young man/lady" ( as appropriate) tacked on at the end..
.. and you kind of freeze ..
a more grimdark version of that.
Yeah I know what you mean. When my kids bet me upset, man that is a mouthful I need to use when I call them out.
nagash42 wrote: The limited edition book comes with warpflame markers so why would the psychic list not use that rule? Unless they are just for the demon book part.
Because I would bet your lunch money that the Thousand Son flamers will have warpflame
We've seen a pic of the Thousand Sons Terminators which calls the kit's heavy flamer as a Heavy Warpflamer.
Try not to play anyone who uses Ironhands chapter tactics then. Give his whole medusa strike force a free 3+ FNP
Davor wrote: I like to thank you all for helping me with "true name" Greatly appreciated.
Your true name is not the name you were given at birth. Your True Name is the essence of you. It's not literally a name. Invoking someones True Name is a form of magic. Demons are most famous for this in our pop culture.
To keep it simple, and not go into the description of "souls, essences, experiences" etc, just think of it as a phrase or hidden password, that if you know, you can control someone, anyone. It's a cheat code, nothing more. A phrase that gives you complete and utter control of them, and protection from them. Every persons cheat code is different.
If you were a programmer, it would be like having the source code to them. You would have full access to everything about them. You could change that "game" so that it couldn't beat you. Or you can make that man jump over and over.
Are the psychic powers really that good? Besides the re-roll succesful denies thing I'm not really scared of most of these. Especially if the +2 invuln is self only, which I expect it may be.
Swampmist wrote: Are the psychic powers really that good? Besides the re-roll succesful denies thing I'm not really scared of most of these. Especially if the +2 invuln is self only, which I expect it may be.
Even if it is self-only, the new faq allows self-only buffs to go to the rest of a Brotherhood of Psykers.
Swampmist wrote: Do we know that they are though? Nothing has indocated that anything but maybe the 3-man sorc box would be a brotherhood :/
According to the rumours that came along with the psychic powers rumours the TS and scarab terminators will have aspiring sorcerors rather than the brotherhood of psykers.
Its the exalted sorceress that peak my interest. Just how above regular sorcerers will the be?
If the got no spell familiar I might facepalm so hard my paint will chip off.
Its the exalted sorceress that peak my interest. Just how above regular sorcerers will the be?
If the got no spell familiar I might facepalm so hard my paint will chip off.
Wow, I've only just realised that they are refered to as exalted.
Could it be mastery level 4?
Could it be harness warpcharge on a 3+?
Or could it be warpflame on all attacks.
lonewolf81 wrote: Tha same guy also said the following
"" Formations are, unsurprisingly, organized into a greater detachment that includes a collection of smaller ones.
Black Crusade Detachment: (1+ Core, 1-10 Auxiliary, 0-3 Exalted Champions)
*** Lord of the Black Crusade: Your Warlord can roll for a second warlord trait, rerolling any duplicates.
*** Dark Ascension: Characters in this detachment make a free roll on the Boon table at the start of the game, rerolling any results of Spawndom or Dark Apotheosis. The result of this roll applies for the rest of the game""
Black Crusade Detachment: (1+ Core, 1-10 Auxiliary, 0-3 Exalted Champions)
*** Lord of the Black Crusade: Your Warlord can roll for a second warlord trait, rerolling any duplicates.
*** Dark Ascension: Characters in this detachment make a free roll on the Boon table at the start of the game, rerolling any results of Spawndom or Dark Apotheosis. The result of this roll applies for the rest of the game.
Compare this to the actual rules:
Spoiler:
Black Crusade Detachment
Force Organization
Command: 0-5 of the following Chaos Lord, Sorcerer, Daemon Prince
Core: 1+ Choas Warband Formation, Maelstrom of Gore Formation, The Lost and the Damned Formation
Auxiliary: 1+ Helforged Warpack Formation, Heldrake Terror Pack Formation, Cult of Destruction Formation, Fist of the Gods Formation, Raptor Talon Formaiton, Terminator Annihilation Force Formation, Favoured of the Chaos Formation, Trinity of Blood Formation, 1-3 Chaos Spawn Units, 1-4 uits from the following list Khorne Berzerkers, Thousand Sons, Plague Marines, Noise Marines.
Restrictions: This Detachment must include a minimum of one Core choice and one Auxiliary choice. It can optionally include any number of additional Core or Auxiliary choices, in any combination, and up to five Command choices. Only the datasheets listed here can be included in this Detachment, and all units in the Detachment must have the Chaos Space Marines Faction.
Command Benefits:
Lords of Chaos: If this Detachment is chosen as your Primary Detachment, you can chose to re-roll the result of the Chaos Space Marines Warlord Traits tables.
Death to the False Emperor: All units in this Detachment have the Hatred (Armies of the Imperium) special rule. In addition, any unit from this Detachment that has the option of taking the Veterans of the Long War special rule can do so for free.
Path to Glory: At the start of each friendly turn choose a model in this Detachment with the Champion of Chaos special rule and roll on the Chaos Boon table. The model has that result for the rest of the game. If the model has the Favoured Scions special rule, roll twice and apply one or both results
Source: Supplement: Traitor’s Hate
So looking at that formation he posted:
RUMOR: Black Crusade Detachment: (1+ Core, 1-10 Auxiliary, 0-3 Exalted Champions)
REALITY: Black Crusade Detachment: (1+ Core, 1+ Big List of specific Aux Choices, 1-3 Spawn, 1-4 Cult Troops, 0-5 Command)
RESULT: FALSE
RUMOR: *** Lord of the Black Crusade: Your Warlord can roll for a second warlord trait, rerolling any duplicates.
REALITY: Lords of Chaos: If this Detachment is chosen as your Primary Detachment, you can chose to re-roll the result of the Chaos Space Marines Warlord Traits tables.
RESULT: PARTIALLY CORRECT. I mean, he just guessed the most likely Command benefit and even got that wrong.
RUMOR: *** Dark Ascension: Characters in this detachment make a free roll on the Boon table at the start of the game, rerolling any results of Spawndom or Dark Apotheosis. The result of this roll applies for the rest of the game.
REALITY: Path to Glory: At the start of each friendly turn choose a model in this Detachment with the Champion of Chaos special rule and roll on the Chaos Boon table. The model has that result for the rest of the game. If the model has the Favoured Scions special rule, roll twice and apply one or both results
RESULT: FALSE. He got that it was a Boon command trait, but not wasn't really that close.
RUMOR: No further details
REALITY: Death to the False Emperor: All units in this Detachment have the Hatred (Armies of the Imperium) special rule. In addition, any unit from this Detachment that has the option of taking the Veterans of the Long War special rule can do so for free.
RESULT: He didn't even get this one.
To be fair there were 10 auxiliary choices, so he was partially correct with them all
Liberame wrote: To be fair there were 10 auxiliary choices, so he was partially correct with them all
Helforged Warpack Formation,
Heldrake Terror Pack Formation,
Cult of Destruction Formation,
Fist of the Gods Formation,
Raptor Talon Formaiton,
Terminator Annihilation Force Formation,
Favoured of the Chaos Formation,
Trinity of Blood Formation,
Chaos Spawn Units
Khorne Berzerkers,
Thousand Sons,
Plague Marines,
Noise Marines.
That's 8 different aux formations, 13 if you count the Spawn and Cults as aux formations.
Swampmist wrote: Are the psychic powers really that good? Besides the re-roll succesful denies thing I'm not really scared of most of these. Especially if the +2 invuln is self only, which I expect it may be.
Even if it is self-only, the new faq allows self-only buffs to go to the rest of a Brotherhood of Psykers.
There's no way this is self only, if it's real it's gonna be at least the psykers own unit, and it will be probably the most abusive power in the game. Take Khorne Demonkin, Cabal, and thousand suns, this power replaces the need for grimoire and for Fateweaver so you can take a good chunk of 1ks, possibly magnus and/or ahriman and have this power+reroll saves+ cursed earth pretty easily. So you'd be looking at a 2++ rerollable that does S3 AP3 hits 35 out of 36 times. A unit of anything t3 would kill themselves shooting at it, or even in melee.
If the 1ks are good that power is gonna become the most obnoxious thing in the game, not unbeatable, just REALLY annoying and unfun, even compared to the cheese that's out there now.
If MoT keeps the 'to a maximum of a 3++' and the Primaris only effects the caster, not his unit, it wouldn't actually be broken at all.
Depending on the WC cost, #1 is just the Divination Primaris. #2 really isn't that big of a deal, it's 1 dice roll per cast for 1 turn. Thet really isn't many re-rolls. #3 you still need to cast Force to get instant death, so it's only useful if you have a HQ in the squad (unless GW allows the Aspiring Sorcerers to be ML2). If it's at least WC2 it won't be that broken. #4 randomness everywhere. Could be really strong one turn or really weak the next. Honestly looks to be a pretty naff power imo. #5 on second read this power doesn't sound as bad as I thought it would be, as it can backfire and cause the cast to perils multiple times if you roll low. It also sounds like you choose the WC cost of the power. So if you make it WC3 you get +3 to your roll. Still powerful, but it can backfire. #6 a short ranged D beam. again looks like it has a variable cost. That initial -2 means it'll fail to do damage 1/2 the time and it can't get that all-powerful 6 result. Honestly not as broken as it initially seemed to be because of that short range and it being AP-. It'll destroy vehicles, but that's about it. MCs still get an armour save against it.
Really, without WC costs we can't definitely say if any of these apparently leaked powers are pants-on-head broken or not.
Triszin wrote: where is this rumor that logan dies and fenris gets destroyed?
literally no where have I read that, and its all coming from people just making stuff up
The Logan dies is just wishfull thinking from a quote that Magnus has killed a wolf lord but is now looking for a bigger prize: Grimnar's head. I am paraphrasing of course.
And the rumour that Fenris gets destroyed is more wishfull thinking.
Warhams-77 wrote: Have preorder date and price of the Traitor Legions book been mentioned or confirmed yet?
All we know about Traitor Legions is that something is happening on the 3rd. Considering that is when everything else is coming out I would wager that is when TL is coming out too.
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John D Law wrote: Well apparently Magnus has a release date first week of December and he is already up for preorder on Ebay!!!!
If MoT keeps the 'to a maximum of a 3++' and the Primaris only effects the caster, not his unit, it wouldn't actually be broken at all.
Depending on the WC cost, #1 is just the Divination Primaris.
#2 really isn't that big of a deal, it's 1 dice roll per cast for 1 turn. Thet really isn't many re-rolls.
#3 you still need to cast Force to get instant death, so it's only useful if you have a HQ in the squad (unless GW allows the Aspiring Sorcerers to be ML2). If it's at least WC2 it won't be that broken.
#4 randomness everywhere. Could be really strong one turn or really weak the next. Honestly looks to be a pretty naff power imo.
#5 on second read this power doesn't sound as bad as I thought it would be, as it can backfire and cause the cast to perils multiple times if you roll low. It also sounds like you choose the WC cost of the power. So if you make it WC3 you get +3 to your roll. Still powerful, but it can backfire.
#6 a short ranged D beam. again looks like it has a variable cost. That initial -2 means it'll fail to do damage 1/2 the time and it can't get that all-powerful 6 result. Honestly not as broken as it initially seemed to be because of that short range and it being AP-. It'll destroy vehicles, but that's about it. MCs still get an armour save against it.
Really, without WC costs we can't definitely say if any of these apparently leaked powers are pants-on-head broken or not.
The primaris is the one I'm worried about, all the other ones are just okay, but the primaris could do some awful gak. If it's squad based and targetable, it'll be busted, if it's just the psyker's unit, it'll be busted, if it's just the psyker, how strong Magnus is will determine how good the power is.
For all the other powers I think warp charge cost could be a deciding factor, for this one it'll be largely irrelevant. If it actually works as a force multiplier it could be WC4 and still be super strong.
Edit: Also try not to rate these powers in a vacuum, they'll almost never be cast as 1 offs. For example, the primaris power combined with the reroll saves power makes that 3++ a nightmare, if it can be cast on an allied unit like Khorne dogs it'll be a huge pain and at the end of the day magnus will be able to cast all of these and there's a 0% chamce he won't have some hardcore perils protection.
Compared to the current Tzeentch discipline yes they look much better which perhaps where some of the excitement comes. A lot of us were and still are prepared to be underwhlemed though the rumors are promising.
Still these were translations and someone might be pulling a fast one so time will tell.
The grey knights and dark angels are delayed by chaos storms. Magnus and the thousand sons attack fenris, using the full power of chaos. The fighting gets very intense causing some space wolves to turn adding to the already large number of wulfen.
Magnus decides to withdraw just as the dark angels and grey knights turn up. Magnus gets to watch as the space wolves try to fight off the combined fleet of grey knights and dark angels, before they carry out an exterminatus.
There is a nice little interview with David Waeselynck ( who also designed the chieftain from silver tower) about the new Ahriman on the community site. That model gets better and better the more I see of it. The new(ish) blood in the design studio have been knocking it out of the park recently.
Its the exalted sorceress that peak my interest. Just how above regular sorcerers will the be?
If the got no spell familiar I might facepalm so hard my paint will chip off.
Talking about spell familiars. I didn't see any at all in those pics. Including ahriman...again.
LightKing wrote: I read somewhere that its rumored that Dorn will be the first loyalist primarch to come back?
There really hasn't been anything from reliable sources other than the fact there will be one Primarch on the side of the Imperium and one on the side of Chaos (at least for the time being). We have our Chaos Primarch in Magnus, but we don't have any clue as to who the Imperium Primarch will be other than it was strongly suggested that it won't be Leman Russ. It stands to reason that the two Dead Primarchs (Manus and Sanguinius) won't be the ones making a comeback, so that leaves us with Khan, Corax, Vulkan, Dorn, or the Lion. The Lion seems logical since he is physically AT Fenris right now. But that would have huge repercussions for the Dark Angels. Corax, Khan, and Dorn wouldn't have huge upheavals associated with them since it isn't like their Legions are actively trying to find them. Vulkan being found would have some issues since his capsule is one of the artifacts the Salamanders are seeking out in their search for him, and allegedly they need all the artifacts to find him (they don't have all of them).
Personally, I am pulling for Dorn, but he is probably at the bottom in terms of probability since it is believed he is dead, whereas Corax and Khan are just missing (as is Vulkan, but that is more complicated), and the Lion's location is known.
The Logan dying is being assumed from a blurb about the new novel.
I can see Logan dying and Ragnar taking up the fightand saving the day Optimus- Rodimus style because it is fated..
Fenris is not going anywhere, and the Wolves will live on to fire up all of that jealousy out there.
All those people wishing for the Wolves to get destroyed need to take a long hard look at Warhammer Fantasy, and try and remember the Bretonians, Tomb Kings, and Lizard Men among others.
Any other Primarchs will be in 2017 in a different Campaign
LightKing wrote: I read somewhere that its rumored that Dorn will be the first loyalist primarch to come back?
There really hasn't been anything from reliable sources other than the fact there will be one Primarch on the side of the Imperium and one on the side of Chaos (at least for the time being). We have our Chaos Primarch in Magnus, but we don't have any clue as to who the Imperium Primarch will be other than it was strongly suggested that it won't be Leman Russ. It stands to reason that the two Dead Primarchs (Manus and Sanguinius) won't be the ones making a comeback, so that leaves us with Khan, Corax, Vulkan, Dorn, or the Lion. The Lion seems logical since he is physically AT Fenris right now. But that would have huge repercussions for the Dark Angels. Corax, Khan, and Dorn wouldn't have huge upheavals associated with them since it isn't like their Legions are actively trying to find them. Vulkan being found would have some issues since his capsule is one of the artifacts the Salamanders are seeking out in their search for him, and allegedly they need all the artifacts to find him (they don't have all of them).
Personally, I am pulling for Dorn, but he is probably at the bottom in terms of probability since it is believed he is dead, whereas Corax and Khan are just missing (as is Vulkan, but that is more complicated), and the Lion's location is known.
You forgot to mention Guilliman..he would have the biggest influence on Imperium society more so than the other primarchs because of his genius
loki old fart wrote: The grey knights and dark angels are delayed by chaos storms. Magnus and the thousand sons attack fenris, using the full power of chaos. The fighting gets very intense causing some space wolves to turn adding to the already large number of wulfen.
Magnus decides to withdraw just as the dark angels and grey knights turn up. Magnus gets to watch as the space wolves try to fight off the combined fleet of grey knights and dark angels, before they carry out an exterminatus.
But hey I could be wrong
Did you miss the previous book? The DA led fleet is already in the Fenrisian system, as are the GK that Krom saved.
loki old fart wrote:The grey knights and dark angels are delayed by chaos storms. Magnus and the thousand sons attack fenris, using the full power of chaos. The fighting gets very intense causing some space wolves to turn adding to the already large number of wulfen.
Magnus decides to withdraw just as the dark angels and grey knights turn up. Magnus gets to watch as the space wolves try to fight off the combined fleet of grey knights and dark angels, before they carry out an exterminatus.
But hey I could be wrong
My prediction is Magnus will invade Fenris, drive out the Wolves, kill a Wolf Lord (hopefully Grimnar), and garrison the planet for some ritual to dump it into the warp or something leading to the SW becoming fleet based. Then it leads into the next campaign centered around the DAngles where they realize that the Changling was messing with them the whole time. Lion wakes up, drinks some protein shake, does a few squats, and decides to show up the SWs again. Together with Ragnar the new Great Wolf (lets face it if Grimnar ever dies Ragnar was the only Wolf Lord to get a 6 book series dedicated to him) the Lion drops on Fenris, arm wrestles Magnus, stops the ritual and deports them back to the warp. Also Ahriman will probably betray the TS somewhere just for old times sake, and GW can't resist "Starscream-ing" all their mid-tier villains.
I mean its got a dead Wolf Lord (honestly though I expect it to be someone lame like Krakendoom. I mean who wants to play a company of marines that smell like wet dog), a new plastic loyalist primarch (Atia said outright that we'd get a loyalist plastic primarch, no Russ. Given her record I'm not doubting it'll happen), and a new plastic character (Ragnar).
Plus it lets both Chaos players and Imperial/SW players feel like they had a chance at winning because seriously no one can fault Magnus for losing to another primarch especially when he's distracted in the middle of a ritual.
casvalremdeikun wrote:
LightKing wrote: I read somewhere that its rumored that Dorn will be the first loyalist primarch to come back?
There really hasn't been anything from reliable sources other than the fact there will be one Primarch on the side of the Imperium and one on the side of Chaos (at least for the time being). We have our Chaos Primarch in Magnus, but we don't have any clue as to who the Imperium Primarch will be other than it was strongly suggested that it won't be Leman Russ. It stands to reason that the two Dead Primarchs (Manus and Sanguinius) won't be the ones making a comeback, so that leaves us with Khan, Corax, Vulkan, Dorn, or the Lion. The Lion seems logical since he is physically AT Fenris right now. But that would have huge repercussions for the Dark Angels. Corax, Khan, and Dorn wouldn't have huge upheavals associated with them since it isn't like their Legions are actively trying to find them. Vulkan being found would have some issues since his capsule is one of the artifacts the Salamanders are seeking out in their search for him, and allegedly they need all the artifacts to find him (they don't have all of them).
Personally, I am pulling for Dorn, but he is probably at the bottom in terms of probability since it is believed he is dead, whereas Corax and Khan are just missing (as is Vulkan, but that is more complicated), and the Lion's location is known.
Yeah I'm hoping for the same thing. Dorn coming back would make me and my 12th Founding IF successor chapter very happy.
I thought it sounded pretty dumb at first, but that really sketchy "my friend's cousin's uncle's bother lives next to Roundtree and heard Dorn has a gunhand" rumor even kinda grew on me to the point that I really hope we do get Dorn with a gunhand of some sort. And in the same vein of the alternate weapons and faces for Magnus, maybe they could even give him back his old skeletal scrimshawed hand, rigged up with bionics and a power-field as an option.
via anonymous sources on Faeit 212
WoM is hardcase like End Times books were and has 2 books. One is the fluff and other is rules. All that info is correct (from previous rumors) but it’s laid out in two parts, CSM TSons and Tz demons to add to/overwrite current CSM or Demons codex to play a TSons list.
The 9 traitor legions, yeah, mostly formations, data scrolls, relics, way more psyker powers and chapter tactics like SMs so this is a HUGE boost.
Dec 3rd preorder for legions, 10th for Imperials.
PS: the rubric marines box is stunning
1) its comes with an amazingly diverse transfer sheet and
2) 10 infernal boltgun and 5 warpflamers. Soul reaper cannon.
Considering we already have pictures from WD saying that the kit contains unless Warpflamers to equip the entire squad with them, I'm going to go and apply all the more salt to that particular Faeit rumour.
Not that it isn't doing much beyond vague statements, but still...
via anonymous sources on Faeit 212
WoM is hardcase like End Times books were and has 2 books. One is the fluff and other is rules. All that info is correct (from previous rumors) but it’s laid out in two parts, CSM TSons and Tz demons to add to/overwrite current CSM or Demons codex to play a TSons list.
The 9 traitor legions, yeah, mostly formations, data scrolls, relics, way more psyker powers and chapter tactics like SMs so this is a HUGE boost.
Dec 3rd preorder for legions, 10th for Imperials.
PS: the rubric marines box is stunning
1) its comes with an amazingly diverse transfer sheet and
2) 10 infernal boltgun and 5 warpflamers. Soul reaper cannon.
Only on Faeit do they feel the need to draw a comparison of WoM to End Times.
Consider that every other Campaign type supplement has also had 2 hardbacks, one fluff, one rules. So that just confirms it follows an existing pattern.
The new psychic powers for Chaos marines are going to be the ones from traitors hate, I guarantee you. Maybe they will throw in the Fenris part one powers as well for csm to use.
Just like how Angels of Death had 'new formations' for marine players, when it was just the Raven Guard and White Scars formations with the Skyhammer sheet thrown in.
Crazyterran wrote: The new psychic powers for Chaos marines are going to be the ones from traitors hate, I guarantee you. Maybe they will throw in the Fenris part one powers as well for csm to use.
Just like how Angels of Death had 'new formations' for marine players, when it was just the Raven Guard and White Scars formations with the Skyhammer sheet thrown in.
If this is true then I might just hurt something.
According to leaks though, the TS will have access to BRB powers, TH powers AND new Tzeentch powers.
Also has anyone noticed BoK is saying the new primaris will be +1 invul to Tzeentch models not +2 invul for anything?
via anonymous sources on Faeit 212 wrote:
WoM is hardcase like End Times books were...
Umm... the 40K campaign books have all been in hard-cases. If this one is too it's because the first Fenris book was.
I know, right?
It's like, there's been a pattern for every 40k supplement. But people are too eager to state 40k is becoming AoS next edition so gotta draw those straws
Crazyterran wrote: The new psychic powers for Chaos marines are going to be the ones from traitors hate, I guarantee you. Maybe they will throw in the Fenris part one powers as well for csm to use.
Just like how Angels of Death had 'new formations' for marine players, when it was just the Raven Guard and White Scars formations with the Skyhammer sheet thrown in.
If this is true then I might just hurt something.
According to leaks though, the TS will have access to BRB powers, TH powers AND new Tzeentch powers.
Also has anyone noticed BoK is saying the new primaris will be +1 invul to Tzeentch models not +2 invul for anything?
I don't think faeit has been right about anything, so take whatever they say at and toss it right out.
I mean, maybe they will have updated psychic power tables for Tzeentch, Nurgle and Slaanesh, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
The Faeit rubbish is for one purpose, and it has succeeded since you are discussing it.
They do not vet any rumors, they post them in order to get people to click on them and the more dire they sound the more likely someone will click.
They do not care about being right, they already get your clicks.
I can not think of one thing that Faeit or Bols got before it appeared on Dakka here or Bolter.
Didn't faet also say that WoM would have updated disciplines for all the gods? Because that seems pretty unlikely to me. I'm not expecting any new psychic powers between the two books except for an updated tzeentzch discipline or a copy paste from the previous daemon one except now for marines too.
It's very clearly says the entire unit - the entire unit is 10 so...
Where? In the current dex a min unit is 5. Just because 10 come in the box?
Seriously though, where does it say a min unit is 10?
Yes the minimum size unit may be 5 but there is enough flamers in the box to arm 10 "the entire unit" would be 5-10 it's up to you if you want to build the box as two 5 man units or one 10 man unit either way they are entire units.
Liberame wrote: To be fair there were 10 auxiliary choices, so he was partially correct with them all
Helforged Warpack Formation,
Heldrake Terror Pack Formation,
Cult of Destruction Formation,
Fist of the Gods Formation,
Raptor Talon Formaiton,
Terminator Annihilation Force Formation,
Favoured of the Chaos Formation,
Trinity of Blood Formation,
Chaos Spawn Units
Khorne Berzerkers,
Thousand Sons,
Plague Marines,
Noise Marines.
That's 8 different aux formations, 13 if you count the Spawn and Cults as aux formations.
8 different formations + 1 for spawn + 1 for the cults as they are actually one entry = 10 auxiliary choices.
BloodGrin wrote: The Faeit rubbish is for one purpose, and it has succeeded since you are discussing it.
They do not vet any rumors, they post them in order to get people to click on them and the more dire they sound the more likely someone will click.
They do not care about being right, they already get your clicks.
I can not think of one thing that Faeit or Bols got before it appeared on Dakka here or Bolter.
To be honest I get most of my news from Faeit which I then fact-check on Dakkdakka because its lay-out is just that much easier to navigate. One click to a rumour article or search through tens of pages of forum posts, I'll take the former.
Liberame wrote: To be fair there were 10 auxiliary choices, so he was partially correct with them all
Helforged Warpack Formation,
Heldrake Terror Pack Formation,
Cult of Destruction Formation,
Fist of the Gods Formation,
Raptor Talon Formaiton,
Terminator Annihilation Force Formation,
Favoured of the Chaos Formation,
Trinity of Blood Formation,
Chaos Spawn Units
Khorne Berzerkers,
Thousand Sons,
Plague Marines,
Noise Marines.
That's 8 different aux formations, 13 if you count the Spawn and Cults as aux formations.
8 different formations + 1 for spawn + 1 for the cults as they are actually one entry = 10 auxiliary choices.
BloodGrin wrote: The Faeit rubbish is for one purpose, and it has succeeded since you are discussing it.
They do not vet any rumors, they post them in order to get people to click on them and the more dire they sound the more likely someone will click.
They do not care about being right, they already get your clicks.
I can not think of one thing that Faeit or Bols got before it appeared on Dakka here or Bolter.
To be honest I get most of my news from Faeit which I then fact-check on Dakkdakka because its lay-out is just that much easier to navigate. One click to a rumour article or search through tens of pages of forum posts, I'll take the former.
Given you have to fact check anyway, wouldn't it just be easier to go through a thread on Dakka to begin with?
It's very clearly says the entire unit - the entire unit is 10 so...
Where? In the current dex a min unit is 5. Just because 10 come in the box?
Seriously though, where does it say a min unit is 10?
Yes the minimum size unit may be 5 but there is enough flamers in the box to arm 10 "the entire unit" would be 5-10 it's up to you if you want to build the box as two 5 man units or one 10 man unit either way they are entire units.
I get that. Maybe homey was wrong when he saw the contents, maybe WD was wrong. We will know for sure soon.
Liberame wrote: To be fair there were 10 auxiliary choices, so he was partially correct with them all
Helforged Warpack Formation,
Heldrake Terror Pack Formation,
Cult of Destruction Formation,
Fist of the Gods Formation,
Raptor Talon Formaiton,
Terminator Annihilation Force Formation,
Favoured of the Chaos Formation,
Trinity of Blood Formation,
Chaos Spawn Units
Khorne Berzerkers,
Thousand Sons,
Plague Marines,
Noise Marines.
That's 8 different aux formations, 13 if you count the Spawn and Cults as aux formations.
8 different formations + 1 for spawn + 1 for the cults as they are actually one entry = 10 auxiliary choices.
BloodGrin wrote: The Faeit rubbish is for one purpose, and it has succeeded since you are discussing it.
They do not vet any rumors, they post them in order to get people to click on them and the more dire they sound the more likely someone will click.
They do not care about being right, they already get your clicks.
I can not think of one thing that Faeit or Bols got before it appeared on Dakka here or Bolter.
To be honest I get most of my news from Faeit which I then fact-check on Dakkdakka because its lay-out is just that much easier t onavigate. One click to a rumour article or search through tens of pages of forum posts, I'll take the former.
Given you have to fact check anyway, wouldn't it just be easier to go through a thread on Dakka to begin with?
No because if there are no rumours on faeit, I don't have to go through pages upon pages in order to see whether there is even something to begin with.
Forums are very prone to go on rambling even when there's nothing new to be discussed. Case in point being the discussion about true names in this very thread that spanned multiple pages. Don't get me wrong that's not necessarily a bad thing but it's definitely not quicker to sift through every day.
via anonymous sources on Faeit 212 wrote:
WoM is hardcase like End Times books were...
Umm... the 40K campaign books have all been in hard-cases. If this one is too it's because the first Fenris book was.
That's our Natfka! wah wah wah waaaaaah
The sad thing is even with obvious 'trend spotting' guesses like these, he still can't get out of the dumps for accuracy.
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DaPino wrote: No because if there are no rumours on faeit, I don't have to go through pages upon pages in order to see whether there is even something to begin with.
If you're going to follow a blog for rumors, follow Atia.
via anonymous sources on Faeit 212 wrote:
WoM is hardcase like End Times books were...
Umm... the 40K campaign books have all been in hard-cases. If this one is too it's because the first Fenris book was.
That's our Natfka! wah wah wah waaaaaah
The sad thing is even with obvious 'trend spotting' guesses like these, he still can't get out of the dumps for accuracy.
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DaPino wrote: No because if there are no rumours on faeit, I don't have to go through pages upon pages in order to see whether there is even something to begin with.
If you're going to follow a blog for rumors, follow Atia.
She has a good record and only posts legit stuff unlike Natfka and BOLS.
The thing is, bols and natfka have rumors up all the time, sometimes multiples in a day, it's fun to read and conjecture about things like this. Just don't start throwing money into the pyre until sad panda or atia agree.
Shouldn't he be a demon? Aren't demon princes still a demon with an invuln save? At the very least you'd expect him to have the Mark of Tzeentch which would give him an invuln save?
Or is that not displayed on the character profile?
Not displayed on the character profile. They say he counts as a Daemon of Tzeentch, so he rerolls his 1s to invuln saves.
Automatically Appended Next Post: "In the game, Magnus is a Lord of War choice for a Chaos Space Marines force. As you would expect, his rules are formidable indeed, with a statline to rival anything in Warhammer 40,000. He can contemptuously smash a Space Marine hero into pulp or slice a Wraithknight in half.
But it’s in the psychic phase that Magnus really comes into his own (in fact, we’re considering just changing the name of the phase to “Magnus’ phase”). The Crimson King knows no fewer than 15 powers, and is able to cast them with an ease no one else can match. He even has his very own power, Gaze of Magnus, a spell powerful enough to send a Baneblade to oblivion.
Magnus is not easy to destroy, either. As well as having 7 Wounds, and Toughness 7, his Crown grants him a respectable 4+ invulnerable save which combines with his Daemon of Tzeentch rule to grant re-rolls of ones. This can be bolstered further when included as part of a dedicated Thousand Sons Detachment (more on those later this week.)
All in, Magnus is everything you’d think a Daemon Primarch of Tzeentch would be – ie: utterly powerful and completely terrifying.
Full rules for Magnus and his Legion are included in the new Wrath of Magnus book, which you can pre-order from this Saturday."
I mean, I'm pretty sure Fatey knows like 12-14 all by himself. He's level 4
Overall solid stats. Not making him a GMC is nice. We'll see how the rules play out but so far nothing to insane. Which makes sense. Yes, Primarchs are uber and daemon primarchs more so but they aren't actual gods. Bolters still could kill them back in the day.
I see they mention that Magnus in a TS detachment can have a boost to his invulnerable save. So presumably the Tsons/TDK decurion gives a +1 to invulnerables, or something along those lines
Glad he isn't a GMC. Less of them please, GW.
On that note GW should release an errata on Christmas Day that nerfs eldar down to mid tier, starting by making the WK a regular MC again. That would be awesome.
Looks good so far, tough but not to a ridiculous level, and the psychic powers will bring the carnage. Destroying a Baneblade? Really interested in his psychic abilities and his other stats now
BoomWolf wrote: Given that's its from GW, probably the latter.
Or they understood the wraithknight was a colossal feth up (heh, accidental pun) and now don't give GMC status easily.
It just annoys me so much that Tau get a big robot who is GMC, Eldar get a big pile of bones which is GMC but Daemons and Nids, the armies of monstrous creatures, only get GMC's at apocalypse level and only then for a rediculous number of points.
But this argument has been discussed many a time so I will stay on topic: was this released directly from GW or someone else?
Man he is not survivable in the least! But then again, if you don't have first turn something like 2 broadside units (no drones) and a single pathfinder team will likely kill Magnus in a single turn so you'll be fethed. That's a rather big gamble in my opinion.
Then again we haven't gotten his full rules, he might have FNP, ITWND or some other special rule/trinket that makes him more survivable.
I'd like to see the rest of his rules. Just the profile alone isn't enough to know how tough he really is. Right now he's certainly not going to be cutting wraith knights in half.
With his focus being on psy powers though I imagine you'll want him to be flying around, that combined with a potential 2++ re-rollable would make him nigh impossible to take down.
Also, is this the first time GW beat rumour mongers at their own game lol?
Snake Tortoise wrote: I see they mention that Magnus in a TS detachment can have a boost to his invulnerable save. So presumably the Tsons/TDK decurion gives a +1 to invulnerables, or something along those lines
Glad he isn't a GMC. Less of them please, GW.
On that note GW should release an errata on Christmas Day that nerfs eldar down to mid tier, starting by making the WK a regular MC again. That would be awesome.
XT-1984 wrote: Not survivable? Grimoire of True Names for a 2++ rerollable.
Putting aside how easy it is to fail Grimoire (as someone who played Screamerstar for a while, I can attest), 2++rr doesn't mean anything against Stomps or Ds of 6. Because reasons.
That said, his points will really dictate how good he is, as obvious as that sounds. Not enough info to make any sort of call on him.
XT-1984 wrote: Not survivable? Grimoire of True Names for a 2++ rerollable.
Putting aside how easy it is to fail Grimoire (as someone who played Screamerstar for a while, I can attest), 2++rr doesn't mean anything against Stomps or Ds of 6. Because reasons.
That said, his points will really dictate how good he is, as obvious as that sounds. Not enough info to make any sort of call on him.
Yea, but there's much less of a chance to get hit by that while he is in the air.
XT-1984 wrote: Not survivable? Grimoire of True Names for a 2++ rerollable.
Putting aside how easy it is to fail Grimoire (as someone who played Screamerstar for a while, I can attest), 2++rr doesn't mean anything against Stomps or Ds of 6. Because reasons.
That said, his points will really dictate how good he is, as obvious as that sounds. Not enough info to make any sort of call on him.
Yea, but there's much less of a chance to get hit by that while he is in the air.
In practice, you don't put Grimoire on something in the air. You spread out your defensive buffs. If you put 2++ on Magnus and then he flies, they're just going to kill the rest of your army. That's the reason that 2++ goes on Screamerstar and not on Fatey. Unless you put the 2++ on your Dronestar and run your Screamerstar around the edge of the map.
Snake Tortoise wrote: I see they mention that Magnus in a TS detachment can have a boost to his invulnerable save. So presumably the Tsons/TDK decurion gives a +1 to invulnerables, or something along those lines
Glad he isn't a GMC. Less of them please, GW.
On that note GW should release an errata on Christmas Day that nerfs eldar down to mid tier, starting by making the WK a regular MC again. That would be awesome.
The boost being the ability to re-roll 1s
Isn't that just the Daemon Tzeentch ability anyway?
, the Tzaangors have close combat options and a kick ass 'splitting in two' head, thought they were just autopistols and chainswords, this is awweeeesome.
