Arbitrator wrote: Surprised there's been no Lord of the Rings when we know a Dale supplement is coming. Not like there wasn't space to cram it in elsewhere.
Tomorrow is probably nothing but Orks since they're presumably getting more than Sisters.
I'm also starting to believe Saturday is just going to be showing off animation and maybe the Eisenhorn casting announcement.
Anything Eisenhorn will have to drop on an article the day it happens.
I don’t think GW would be able to keep that out of news outside of the geek circuit.
There’s a lot in the tv/movie fandom that do research and follow studios and all that, so I think the news would come out there.
I’d just like an announcement of a network picking it up, as that’s the best first step.
Arbitrator wrote: Surprised, I thought they'd given up on Aeronautica.
They got funded for a whole season, this is the last release for the season. This game release come with more kit this than the usual Specialist Game, and the pacing of the release was much faster than Titanicus.
Where is tat info from? That it’s funded for a season, and what a season entails?
They got funded for 5 factions : Imperial (AM + Navy), Ork, Tau, Eldar, Space Marine. So this is the final release (Eldar and SM probably still got 1 or 2 more plane to come) before GW would decide to continue the game or not. This game cost more to produce than Blood bowl, Necromunda and LoTR combined.
Where is that info from? Interview/GW livestream. where is interview? Somewhere in the AI thread
Sledgehammer wrote: You can't reasonably expect people to be able to afford multiple Titans from forge world, then drag those to a game store and then find multiple pieces of 3 foot tall terrain and play.
Yeah, don't think anyone would ever buy Superheavies for Apocalypse sized games just for a gaming night at the end of an Edition
but if those units would be useable in regular 40k, there might be enough people buying them so we can get a plastic kit at least for the smaller ones, like Baneblades or Knights......
Arbitrator wrote: Surprised, I thought they'd given up on Aeronautica.
They got funded for a whole season, this is the last release for the season. This game release come with more kit this than the usual Specialist Game, and the pacing of the release was much faster than Titanicus.
Where is tat info from?
That it’s funded for a season, and what a season entails?
They got funded for 5 factions : Imperial (AM + Navy), Ork, Tau, Eldar, Space Marine. So this is the final release (Eldar and SM probably still got 1 or 2 more plane to come) before GW would decide to continue the game or not. This game cost more to produce than Blood bowl, Necromunda and LoTR combined.
Where is that info from? Interview/GW livestream. where is interview? Somewhere in the AI thread
You've read into it a bit, they never said they were "funded for five factions" just that they had five factions planned - that could mean that they were only funded for 2 factions initially and then were funded for three more later, it could mean they had funding for eight factions but only had 5 in development while they figured out the other 3, or any number of other scenarios. Given production and design times involved, etc. the decision to fund anything beyond the additional 5 factions would have already been made long ago.
Also, worth pointing out that Space Marines could also be considered Imperial (just like how Guard and Navy are one faction), which means there is possibly still one more faction to be released.
Arbitrator wrote: Surprised there's been no Lord of the Rings when we know a Dale supplement is coming. Not like there wasn't space to cram it in elsewhere.
Tomorrow is probably nothing but Orks since they're presumably getting more than Sisters.
I'm also starting to believe Saturday is just going to be showing off animation and maybe the Eisenhorn casting announcement.
Anything Eisenhorn will have to drop on an article the day it happens.
I don’t think GW would be able to keep that out of news outside of the geek circuit.
There’s a lot in the tv/movie fandom that do research and follow studios and all that, so I think the news would come out there.
I’d just like an announcement of a network picking it up, as that’s the best first step.
I've been thinking Saturday would be announcement of a new LOTR starter and AoS3.
Crimson wrote: Horus Heresy is ultimately a pointless game. You can already fight space marines with space marines in 40K. It is crazy to have a whole another game dedicated to that.
Aeronautica Imperialis is ultimately a pointless game. You can already play aircraft vs aircraft in 40k. Seems crazy to have a whole different game dedicated to that.
Adeptus Titanicus is ultimately a pointless game. You can already play Titans vs Titans in 40k. Seems crazy to have a whole different game dedicated to that.
I see the point you make, but both Aeronautica and Titanicus are games that require a game of vastly different scale. HH and 40K marines are at least compatible in that sense.
tauist wrote:Oh snap. I was catching up on todays reveals through this thread and yall really trolled me with all those "plastic thunderhawk!" comments hehehe
Guess its the bonkers amount of sprues the real thing would require which is holding them back on doing a 28mm scale plastic 'hawk..
Arbitrator wrote: Surprised, I thought they'd given up on Aeronautica.
They got funded for a whole season, this is the last release for the season. This game release come with more kit this than the usual Specialist Game, and the pacing of the release was much faster than Titanicus.
Where is tat info from?
That it’s funded for a season, and what a season entails?
They got funded for 5 factions : Imperial (AM + Navy), Ork, Tau, Eldar, Space Marine. So this is the final release (Eldar and SM probably still got 1 or 2 more plane to come) before GW would decide to continue the game or not. This game cost more to produce than Blood bowl, Necromunda and LoTR combined.
Where is that info from? Interview/GW livestream. where is interview? Somewhere in the AI thread
You've read into it a bit, they never said they were "funded for five factions" just that they had five factions planned - that could mean that they were only funded for 2 factions initially and then were funded for three more later, it could mean they had funding for eight factions but only had 5 in development while they figured out the other 3, or any number of other scenarios. Given production and design times involved, etc. the decision to fund anything beyond the additional 5 factions would have already been made long ago.
Also, worth pointing out that Space Marines could also be considered Imperial (just like how Guard and Navy are one faction), which means there is possibly still one more faction to be released.
Unfortunately I don't think AI was a big success so I'm not expecting much if anything after this. It makes me sad because the original AI game was really fun and with some minor tweaks could have been a good quick fire tournament game. Unfortunately they really messed up the rules when they compressed the scale and put it on a hex board such that it's no longer a terribly engaging game.
Hopefully they do another run but with the rules the way they are, even as an aircraft enthusiast I'm mostly buying it for the models rather than to play games.
Crimson wrote: Horus Heresy is ultimately a pointless game. You can already fight space marines with space marines in 40K. It is crazy to have a whole another game dedicated to that.
Aeronautica Imperialis is ultimately a pointless game. You can already play aircraft vs aircraft in 40k. Seems crazy to have a whole different game dedicated to that.
Adeptus Titanicus is ultimately a pointless game. You can already play Titans vs Titans in 40k. Seems crazy to have a whole different game dedicated to that.
I see the point you make, but both Aeronautica and Titanicus are games that require a game of vastly different scale. HH and 40K marines are at least compatible in that sense.
Sure, and my reply may have been a bit facetious. But I do feel like it's a bit demeaning to dismiss Horus Heresy out of hand "because you can just play space marines vs space marines in 40K." I mean, I guess I could, except that there aren't any rules for the space marine legions in 40k, and Horus Heresy as it's own game system already has a huge library of existing rulebooks. Nevermind that in my opinion, 9th has all the subtlety of a sledgehammer and lacks a lot of the nuance and granularity that makes 30K a fun game for me to play.
Flinty wrote: The Flying Spaghetti Monster has some rather nice Matrix vibes to play off
Against the general dark City feel of the big Ds
Dang, now I really want to make a Delaque gang with really shiny black leather coats.
Does anyone make a Richard O’Brien look-alike head in 28mm scale?
Glad we finally get marines for aeronautica, will buy a bunch to go with my epic space marine chapter. Maybe, just maybe we get plastic thunder hawks as well (even if they are tiny ones)
Whoever did the cover art for the Wrath of Angels box seemed to think they were painting a Battlestar Galactic fighter. That does not look like the same plane as the model, even allowing for a liberal side perspective rather than overhead.
Today, it’s the turn of our boxed games and we have MASSIVE reveals for:
Massive. I don't think that word means what you think it means. Granted, this was the biggest preview so far, but that's a _really_ low bar.
Arbitrator wrote: Surprised, I thought they'd given up on Aeronautica.
They got funded for a whole season, this is the last release for the season. This game release come with more kit this than the usual Specialist Game, and the pacing of the release was much faster than Titanicus.
Where is tat info from?
That it’s funded for a season, and what a season entails?
They got funded for 5 factions : Imperial (AM + Navy), Ork, Tau, Eldar, Space Marine. So this is the final release (Eldar and SM probably still got 1 or 2 more plane to come) before GW would decide to continue the game or not. This game cost more to produce than Blood bowl, Necromunda and LoTR combined.
Where is that info from? Interview/GW livestream. where is interview? Somewhere in the AI thread
Damn shame if they don't do Chaos and I guess necrons opposite them. The Forgeworld chaos fliers are great.
Tamereth wrote: Glad we finally get marines for aeronautica, will buy a bunch to go with my epic space marine chapter. Maybe, just maybe we get plastic thunder hawks as well (even if they are tiny ones)
Half of the reveal video was spent showing off the plastic Thunderhawk…
Tamereth wrote: Glad we finally get marines for aeronautica, will buy a bunch to go with my epic space marine chapter. Maybe, just maybe we get plastic thunder hawks as well (even if they are tiny ones)
Half of the reveal video was spent showing off the plastic Thunderhawk…
H.B.M.C. wrote: Boxed Games: The only other real wildcard outside of the Saturday thing, we're going to see Delaque stuff and... who knows what else? Probably the Fish Elves for underworld.
GW are becoming too predictable.
Nice to see AI stuff though. That actually is a surprise, and the Eldar minis are very cool.
Arbitrator wrote: Surprised, I thought they'd given up on Aeronautica.
They got funded for a whole season, this is the last release for the season. This game release come with more kit this than the usual Specialist Game, and the pacing of the release was much faster than Titanicus.
Where is tat info from?
That it’s funded for a season, and what a season entails?
They got funded for 5 factions : Imperial (AM + Navy), Ork, Tau, Eldar, Space Marine. So this is the final release (Eldar and SM probably still got 1 or 2 more plane to come) before GW would decide to continue the game or not. This game cost more to produce than Blood bowl, Necromunda and LoTR combined.
Where is that info from? Interview/GW livestream. where is interview? Somewhere in the AI thread
You've read into it a bit, they never said they were "funded for five factions" just that they had five factions planned - that could mean that they were only funded for 2 factions initially and then were funded for three more later, it could mean they had funding for eight factions but only had 5 in development while they figured out the other 3, or any number of other scenarios. Given production and design times involved, etc. the decision to fund anything beyond the additional 5 factions would have already been made long ago.
Also, worth pointing out that Space Marines could also be considered Imperial (just like how Guard and Navy are one faction), which means there is possibly still one more faction to be released.
Unfortunately I don't think AI was a big success so I'm not expecting much if anything after this. It makes me sad because the original AI game was really fun and with some minor tweaks could have been a good quick fire tournament game. Unfortunately they really messed up the rules when they compressed the scale and put it on a hex board such that it's no longer a terribly engaging game.
Hopefully they do another run but with the rules the way they are, even as an aircraft enthusiast I'm mostly buying it for the models rather than to play games.
From what I've heard AI has done decently well. It wasn't the home-run success that Adeptus Titanicus was which supposedly outsold its projected annual sales in a matter of minutes, but the murmurings I've heard suggest AI was profitable.
Sure, and my reply may have been a bit facetious. But I do feel like it's a bit demeaning to dismiss Horus Heresy out of hand "because you can just play space marines vs space marines in 40K." I mean, I guess I could, except that there aren't any rules for the space marine legions in 40k, and Horus Heresy as it's own game system already has a huge library of existing rulebooks. Nevermind that in my opinion, 9th has all the subtlety of a sledgehammer and lacks a lot of the nuance and granularity that makes 30K a fun game for me to play.
Agreed. I suppose one could ask should Kill Team share the same rules as Necromunda or vice versa? One has battle hardened warriors that focus on military focused goals while the other has gang members who could crack under lesser conditions but have more freedom to use their initiative.
From what I've heard AI has done decently well. It wasn't the home-run success that Adeptus Titanicus was which supposedly outsold its projected annual sales in a matter of minutes, but the murmurings I've heard suggest AI was profitable.
That’s heartening and I expect Eldar and Marines to be big sellers. Marines especially with the Heresy crowd and the possibility of players coming up with extended campaigns using different systems. Expect to see those marine aircraft in legion colours! Definitely looking forward to these. For me, this has been the best for reveals so far, with the Delaques included.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Boxed Games: The only other real wildcard outside of the Saturday thing, we're going to see Delaque stuff and... who knows what else? Probably the Fish Elves for underworld.
GW are becoming too predictable.
Nice to see AI stuff though. That actually is a surprise, and the Eldar minis are very cool.
New Delaque stuff is all kinds of awful.
I thought they were pretty unique. Why do you not like them? Though I guess I'm focused more on the guy with the heavy cowl and the matrix thing.
Daedalus81 wrote: I thought they were pretty unique. Why do you not like them? Though I guess I'm focused more on the guy with the heavy cowl and the matrix thing.
I am inherently biased here, as I think the Newcromunda Delaques look bad to begin with (and look nothing like Delaques).
I like the flying tentacle brain thing because it's unique. There's nothing like it anywhere in GW's range. The Nacht-Ghul are just more of the Delaques I already don't like, and the Psy-Gheist jumping over the girder is the worst of the lot. The one with the hood is ok.
I'll find a way to get the brain thing, and continue pretending that N17 Delaques are just a bad dream.
Today was a cool day compared to the first 40k day, lots of stuff has surprised me and I'm a little hyped about pretty much everything previewed today. I hope we'll see a 30k release on the mystery day.
One thing to note was the absolute spam in the chat about Cursed City. I'm not a fanboy by any means, but at least recognise the community team aren't the ones handling that fiasco.
Horla wrote: I think the Delaques look deadly, I’ve been toying with starting Necromunda and this might have pushed me over the edge.
I was debating the necromunda starter, mainly for the terrain, but decided against it. But it includes delaque in it, and I like these new models, so I think i will see if my flgs can get me one. I have a friend who has been trying to get people into necromunda for a while.
Wish they had showed off the chaos legio codex for titanicus, but I liked basically everything about this preview modelwise. Would have preferred drukhari razorwings and night ravens in pla e of the eldar, but eh, can't win them al l
TBH if they had previewed all of this stuff in just one day, saturday for example, it would had been actually one of the biggest previews they have done in a good while and I doubt many people would have complained. But streeching out like this is so tiresome.
Galas wrote: TBH if they had previewed all of this stuff in just one day, saturday for example, it would had been actually one of the biggest previews they have done in a good while and I doubt many people would have complained. But streeching out like this is so tiresome.
A little bit of butter being spread out over a lot of bread…
Fish Elves are 10/10 might have to buy even though I'll never play underworlds (unless I could persuade a few people to start.)
Really don't like the Delaque models - which is a shame, because of the basic Necromunda gangs they are by far the best. They feel like something that wouldn't have been thought especially good from 10 years ago.
I don't know what I'll use it for.... but I want it.
Honestly, I think with a little bit of work, those delaque models could make some of the coolest Rogue psykers or Inquisitorial bodyguards/acolytes that GW has produced. a head swap here, a chaos icon or purity seal there, maybe throw on an extra bolt pistol...
MajorWesJanson wrote: I'm just going to throw out an idle thought I just had for Saturday. Not a new system or updated edition or anything. 40k scale Warmaster titan.
I really, really doubt it. It would be at least £1500 (at the very very least) and would have such a small target market relative to anything else that even GW must realise having that as their super secret Saturday reveal is going to disappoint a lot of people. ‘Oh it’s a huge resin model I’ll never be able to afford or play with’
Daedalus81 wrote: I thought they were pretty unique. Why do you not like them? Though I guess I'm focused more on the guy with the heavy cowl and the matrix thing.
I am inherently biased here, as I think the Newcromunda Delaques look bad to begin with (and look nothing like Delaques).
I like the flying tentacle brain thing because it's unique. There's nothing like it anywhere in GW's range. The Nacht-Ghul are just more of the Delaques I already don't like, and the Psy-Gheist jumping over the girder is the worst of the lot. The one with the hood is ok.
I'll find a way to get the brain thing, and continue pretending that N17 Delaques are just a bad dream.
I understand not liking the new Delaque aesthetic but you have to admit that releasing a warband of trench coat wearing skinheads would probably be a bad PR move.
Daedalus81 wrote: I thought they were pretty unique. Why do you not like them? Though I guess I'm focused more on the guy with the heavy cowl and the matrix thing.
I am inherently biased here, as I think the Newcromunda Delaques look bad to begin with (and look nothing like Delaques).
I like the flying tentacle brain thing because it's unique. There's nothing like it anywhere in GW's range. The Nacht-Ghul are just more of the Delaques I already don't like, and the Psy-Gheist jumping over the girder is the worst of the lot. The one with the hood is ok.
I'll find a way to get the brain thing, and continue pretending that N17 Delaques are just a bad dream.
I understand not liking the new Delaque aesthetic but you have to admit that releasing a warband of trench coat wearing skinheads would probably be a bad PR move.
Is less that and more than old Delaque are not that different than Orlocks. Are just bald guys in trenchcoats.
Daedalus81 wrote: I thought they were pretty unique. Why do you not like them? Though I guess I'm focused more on the guy with the heavy cowl and the matrix thing.
I am inherently biased here, as I think the Newcromunda Delaques look bad to begin with (and look nothing like Delaques).
I like the flying tentacle brain thing because it's unique. There's nothing like it anywhere in GW's range. The Nacht-Ghul are just more of the Delaques I already don't like, and the Psy-Gheist jumping over the girder is the worst of the lot. The one with the hood is ok.
I'll find a way to get the brain thing, and continue pretending that N17 Delaques are just a bad dream.
I understand not liking the new Delaque aesthetic but you have to admit that releasing a warband of trench coat wearing skinheads would probably be a bad PR move.
'Bald' isn't equivalent to 'skinhead.' Go down that road and you're PETA ranting about Space Wolves wearing fur.
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Galas wrote: TBH if they had previewed all of this stuff in just one day, saturday for example, it would had been actually one of the biggest previews they have done in a good while and I doubt many people would have complained. But streeching out like this is so tiresome.
Too much was already seen (or expected). The one surprise so far was pretty niche. And AoS (and Sisters) got hit with immediate special character fatigue.
For me, the highlight so far has been the dire wolves. And sadly they've already convinced me they've bungled that army between Cursed City and the scale creep of the Underworlds band (and the new pile of very silly characters)
Galas wrote: TBH if they had previewed all of this stuff in just one day, saturday for example, it would had been actually one of the biggest previews they have done in a good while and I doubt many people would have complained. But streeching out like this is so tiresome.
I don't think many people would have had the four or five hours to go through all that though.
Galas wrote: TBH if they had previewed all of this stuff in just one day, saturday for example, it would had been actually one of the biggest previews they have done in a good while and I doubt many people would have complained. But streeching out like this is so tiresome.
I don't think many people would have had the four or five hours to go through all that though.
Each of these so far has been about 30 minutes, with 10 of those minutes devoted to them introducing themselves and then saying goodbye at the end. So, really, it's 20-25 minutes per stream. Across six days that's not even 3 hours, and there's a lot of chaff they could have cut.
Better yet, there's a lot they could have simply released in regular articles, or standalone videos.
The reveals themselves are great. The execution is my least favorite part of all of this.
One of my friends jokingly suggested that the big Saturday reveal could be the other plastic Thunderhawk! I don’t think it likely, but it would be an epic double bluff / trolling move...
Jadenim wrote: One of my friends jokingly suggested that the big Saturday reveal could be the other plastic Thunderhawk! I don’t think it likely, but it would be an epic double bluff / trolling move...
Jadenim wrote: One of my friends jokingly suggested that the big Saturday reveal could be the other plastic Thunderhawk! I don’t think it likely, but it would be an epic double bluff / trolling move...
I thought that too. Certainly possible.
That is just too good of an joke that it can't happen.
Horla wrote: I think the Delaques look deadly, I’ve been toying with starting Necromunda and this might have pushed me over the edge.
They will also make glorious Genestealer Cult models......
I used to use the original metal Delaques (and Valhallan guard) for my old Genestealer Cult in 2nd/3rd Ed. The thought crossed my mind again here...
When I first saw these new Delaque models, I thought they were for Genestealer Cults and had to do a double-take.
The funny thing is that if you go back to read the original fluff for Delaque in 1st ed Necromunda--all one paragraph of it--they do sound eerily like a 'stealer cult that nobody else has noticed yet. Bald, secretive and with long heavy coats (to hide their extra limbs) ... I'd like to think that was intentional.
Zenithfleet wrote: Disappointed to see no Titanicus... until I realised we can now easily make THE essential terrain objective in matching scale: a crashed Thunderhawk.
Every Imperial AI release is a conversion away from being a Titanicus scatter terrain release.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I'm starting to think that those speculating Saturday is the Warhammer TV/Animation day, especially a big Eisenhorn reveal, will be correct...
What makes you say that?
I'm going to be annoyed if Saturday is nothing more than a recap of upcoming animation, especially since I don't think they have anything new to show in the first place.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I'm starting to think that those speculating Saturday is the Warhammer TV/Animation day, especially a big Eisenhorn reveal, will be correct...
Tastyfish wrote: Those Thunderhawks and Vampires look shortened, as if we're hitting the edge of what works for the game (I'm sorry, Manta, it's bad news).
Wonder how my old AI Thunderhawk measures up.
I haven't seen any vampires - the eldar have received nightwings and phoenix bombers though, which look like tiny versions of the 40k scale models.
I am looking forward to them releasing a Vampire for AI though, as it's the eldar equivalent of a thunderhawk.
Tyranid Horde wrote: Today was a cool day compared to the first 40k day, lots of stuff has surprised me and I'm a little hyped about pretty much everything previewed today. I hope we'll see a 30k release on the mystery day.
One thing to note was the absolute spam in the chat about Cursed City. I'm not a fanboy by any means, but at least recognise the community team aren't the ones handling that fiasco.
Then again community team IS the one that screwed up by saying it wasn't limited when from the go it was
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Jadenim wrote: One of my friends jokingly suggested that the big Saturday reveal could be the other plastic Thunderhawk! I don’t think it likely, but it would be an epic double bluff / trolling move...
That would have similar issue as warmaster titan above. Expensive as hell kit for model that has zero usability in game. It would depend on those who pay couple hundred for model to just sit on shelves.
Cool for some, yes. But for tons of people not something they would ever bother with.
Whispers of a full Eisenhorn cast reveal are floating around the place.
Part of me also thinks that if the reveal were related to any of the games shown so far, they would have revealed them during their specific reveal day. That, to me at least, says that Saturday is something completely new (ie. not a 40K Codex, an AoS release, a new Underworlds thing, etc.) but something that doesn't fit into any of those things.
So a completely new game (which could be LOTR or even a full reveal of Old World), Warhammer Animation/TV stuff, or both.
It has probably been said already, but Creative Assembly are relasing gameplay footage for Total War Warhammer 3 this week-end, Saturday could be a joint effort to promote the game and the Old World. I don't think GW will show minis (don't even think there are any ready yet), but maybe they will show some more concept art and announce they will start releasing stuff for the Old World next year?
hypnoticeris wrote: It has probably been said already, but Creative Assembly are relasing gameplay footage for Total War Warhammer 3 this week-end, Saturday could be a joint effort to promote the game and the Old World. I don't think GW will show minis (don't even think there are any ready yet), but maybe they will show some more concept art and announce they will start releasing stuff for the Old World next year?
TWW3 footage is coming on the 13th, not this weekend.
MajorWesJanson wrote: I'm just going to throw out an idle thought I just had for Saturday. Not a new system or updated edition or anything. 40k scale Warmaster titan.
I really, really doubt it. It would be at least £1500 (at the very very least) and would have such a small target market relative to anything else that even GW must realise having that as their super secret Saturday reveal is going to disappoint a lot of people. ‘Oh it’s a huge resin model I’ll never be able to afford or play with’
The Warmaster is my wishlist item for Saturday, but I think it's pretty unlikely, though I do think it's going to come eventually. The model has certainly been designed at 28mm scale, the same as the Warlord it has sockets for pistons that join the arms to the body (above and to the left and right of the side doors), but the pistons themselves do not exist on the AT model only on the 28mm version (in the case of the Warlord). If they do reveal it I would just expect a tease TBH alongside the announcement of something else, because as you say, as cool as it is, the Warmaster would have a limited market, I'm budgeting £2000-£2500 for it. The Warlord is already edging closer to £1400 due to the prices rises since release.
As for the Delaques, I do like them, but now with creepy kids and floating squids, they're really doing nothing to dispel the "Dark City" vibe that the new design has (I'm sure it must be intentional).
Whispers of a full Eisenhorn cast reveal are floating around the place.
Out of interest, where?
I’ve note seen anything suggesting such, particularly on the tv/film forums that keep up on upcoming projects and what projects people are signing on to etc.
I mean,I’d love it to be right..
hypnoticeris wrote: It has probably been said already, but Creative Assembly are relasing gameplay footage for Total War Warhammer 3 this week-end, Saturday could be a joint effort to promote the game and the Old World. I don't think GW will show minis (don't even think there are any ready yet), but maybe they will show some more concept art and announce they will start releasing stuff for the Old World next year?
This would still be in category of why cloak and secrecy for already published stuff?
Whispers of a full Eisenhorn cast reveal are floating around the place.
Out of interest, where?
I’ve note seen anything suggesting such, particularly on the tv/film forums that keep up on upcoming projects and what projects people are signing on to etc.
I mean,I’d love it to be right..
There was an apparent leak that I first saw posted to the grand alliance AoS forum, but I’m increasingly less convinced there’s any veracity to it.
As for today? I wanna see more Orks! Ideally including an updated Boyz kit as hinted at in that animated video (should mounted ‘eavy weapons in a more RT style)
As for today? I wanna see more Orks! Ideally including an updated Boyz kit as hinted at in that animated video (should mounted ‘eavy weapons in a more RT style)
Yeah, if it is true, it’s a pretty great cast. And it would be nice to know the series is still a real thing that’s actually happening. I think I’d be disappointed if that was the Saturday reveal though.
As for today? I wanna see more Orks! Ideally including an updated Boyz kit as hinted at in that animated video (should mounted ‘eavy weapons in a more RT style)
Yeah, if it is true, it’s a pretty great cast. And it would be nice to know the series is still a real thing that’s actually happening. I think I’d be disappointed if that was the Saturday reveal though.
It’s still actually happening. It’s all Spotnitz is working towards now, other projects have completed.
But yeah I don’t see where the cast news is coming from aside from wishlisting.
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Two bigger names at most would be believable. Not the whole cast, that looks more like a mid level movie line up.
All the support cast will be B/C list actors, or unknowns even (by that, they might be the types that have done 1 episode in many shows. Not unknown as in never acted).
Slim outside chance as Spotnitz has pull, but just seems unlikely. Even forgetting the ridiculous seeming account the info is coming from..
As for today? I wanna see more Orks! Ideally including an updated Boyz kit as hinted at in that animated video (should mounted ‘eavy weapons in a more RT style)
That picture(and rest) is photoshopped fake taken from another context. Not real. that twitter account is just doing cheap and not well executed trolling
Also again: why would gw bother all secrecy and mystery for couple tidbits for already announced product..that would be something for 40k reveals aka tuesday or today.
Also, at least two of the cast there have slim gaps in their schedules.
So it’s either multiple years off, or they’re dropping their projects in favour of this..?
I feel like they’d be pushing for 2022 release with the time they’ve been working on it.
I’d be expecting a Paul Blackthorne type for Eisenhorn.
But look at all other shows, particularly in fringe genres. You don’t get that massive named cast list aside from Marvel or something.
I don't get why so many people want plastic Thunderhawks, it feels like a meme now, like people shouting "SLAYEEER" at every metal concert that isn't Slayer.
They'd be comically large, occupy a sixth of the board, cost 800 pts and would do what ? Allow you to fly 200 pts across the table ?
Aaranis wrote: I don't get why so many people want plastic Thunderhawks, it feels like a meme now, like people shouting "SLAYEEER" at every metal concert that isn't Slayer.
They'd be comically large, occupy a sixth of the board, cost 800 pts and would do what ? Allow you to fly 200 pts across the table ?
Really I don't understand the hype.
Yeah, you and me both; it seems to be one of those "jokes" favoured by the sort of people who really love driving not-particularly-funny-to-begin-with jokes further into the ground than anyone ever thought imaginable. And, as you say, I also don't get why anyone would genuinely think it's a desirable addition to the game either.
I'm just hoping the Nob-lite orkz come in a unit of 10. I sort of doubt it since everything but boyz are in units of 5. But I'll still hope.
I'm more or less on board with the models depicted in the artwork so far. But the two biggest catches will be the warboss and whatever the bearded dude is. Never been a big fan of hairy orkz (even if the hair is just a type of squig) and this dude's apparently rocking a full beard and mane
Aaranis wrote: I don't get why so many people want plastic Thunderhawks, it feels like a meme now, like people shouting "SLAYEEER" at every metal concert that isn't Slayer.
They'd be comically large, occupy a sixth of the board, cost 800 pts and would do what ? Allow you to fly 200 pts across the table ?
Really I don't understand the hype.
Yeah, you and me both; it seems to be one of those "jokes" favoured by the sort of people who really love driving not-particularly-funny-to-begin-with jokes further into the ground than anyone ever thought imaginable. And, as you say, I also don't get why anyone would genuinely think it's a desirable addition to the game either.
I want one, Thunderhawks are cool but when Forge World were doing them I was still a student and couldn't afford one. I don't think I've ever bought a model primarily for its gameplay potential, that isn't what warhammer is really about to me.
Epic community on FB pretty excited about the new plastic thunderhawk, apparently the scale is pretty close (or close enough).
Surprising as there have been quality proxies available for some time (not to mention lots of 3D prints around), but guess that's the appeal of a plastic kit.
I was hoping that big piece of scenery, the fortress which reminds me of the wall in Jacksons King Kong the one we keep seeing in pictures would have been anounced.
lord_blackfang wrote: I'd buy a placcy 40k scaled Thunderhawk just to look at, no question.
I'd say I'm going to buy one, think about the dimensions before hitting the buy button, realise that I'm not going to display such a large 40k model anywhere in my house, and not buy it
lord_blackfang wrote: I'd buy a placcy 40k scaled Thunderhawk just to look at, no question.
I'd say I'm going to buy one, think about the dimensions before hitting the buy button, realise that I'm not going to display such a large 40k model anywhere in my house, and not buy it
Clearly, you buy it to use as a board for Kill Team.
lord_blackfang wrote: I'd buy a placcy 40k scaled Thunderhawk just to look at, no question.
I'd say I'm going to buy one, think about the dimensions before hitting the buy button, realise that I'm not going to display such a large 40k model anywhere in my house, and not buy it
Clearly, you buy it to use as a board for Kill Team.
I've NEVER been interested in owning a thunderhawk OR playing Kill Team... so why do I want to do this so bad?
lord_blackfang wrote: I'd buy a placcy 40k scaled Thunderhawk just to look at, no question.
I'd say I'm going to buy one, think about the dimensions before hitting the buy button, realise that I'm not going to display such a large 40k model anywhere in my house, and not buy it
Clearly, you buy it to use as a board for Kill Team.
I've NEVER been interested in owning a thunderhawk OR playing Kill Team... so why do I want to do this so bad?
Because you want to recreate the “fight on top of a moving train” scene from your favourite action film, but with a hypersonic aircraft instead, like any sensible person.
Suggested rules:
Mag Clamps: no models can Run without risking falling to their doom; if you roll a 4+ when determining your run distance, instead of moving normally you slip that many inches towards the rear of the aircraft. If you move off the edge, the model is removed from the game and treated as destroyed.
Crosswinds: all weapon ranges are halved and all ranged to hit rolls suffer an additional -2 penalty.
Aaranis wrote: I don't get why so many people want plastic Thunderhawks, it feels like a meme now, like people shouting "SLAYEEER" at every metal concert that isn't Slayer.
They'd be comically large, occupy a sixth of the board, cost 800 pts and would do what ? Allow you to fly 200 pts across the table ?
Really I don't understand the hype.
Yeah, same. Now Plastic Storm Eagle or Fire Raptor I'd buy.
lord_blackfang wrote: I'd buy a placcy 40k scaled Thunderhawk just to look at, no question.
I'd say I'm going to buy one, think about the dimensions before hitting the buy button, realise that I'm not going to display such a large 40k model anywhere in my house, and not buy it
Clearly, you buy it to use as a board for Kill Team.
I've NEVER been interested in owning a thunderhawk OR playing Kill Team... so why do I want to do this so bad?
Because you want to recreate the “fight on top of a moving train” scene from your favourite action film, but with a hypersonic aircraft instead, like any sensible person.
Suggested rules:
Mag Clamps: no models can Run without risking falling to their doom; if you roll a 4+ when determining your run distance, instead of moving normally you slip that many inches towards the rear of the aircraft. If you move off the edge, the model is removed from the game and treated as destroyed.
Crosswinds: all weapon ranges are halved and all ranged to hit rolls suffer an additional -2 penalty.
You could also re-enact "Nightmare at 20,000 Feet" from the Twilight Zone but instead it's your Tactical Sergeant who thinks he sees a Genestealer on the wing! You have to roll successive leadership tests to determine whether it's real or not!
Pacific wrote: Epic community on FB pretty excited about the new plastic thunderhawk, apparently the scale is pretty close (or close enough).
Surprising as there have been quality proxies available for some time (not to mention lots of 3D prints around), but guess that's the appeal of a plastic kit.
No idea how the prices are likely to compare!
Well epic is 6mm, ai is 6mm. You would bloody expect scale to be close
xttz wrote: I'm pretty excited for Ork players, if that cave-painting artwork is any indication they're in for a lot of new stuff.
Most of which they already showed, kinda shooting themselves in the foot when it comes to having exciting reveals for Warhammer Fest.
Which is kind of a running theme with 40k on Warhammer Fest.
What are you talking about? So far we've seen two of the Squighog minis and a Beast Snagga boy. That video animation still what looked at least two warbosses and a couple of vehicles along with more ork infantry, none of which has been spotted anywhere yet.
xttz wrote: I'm pretty excited for Ork players, if that cave-painting artwork is any indication they're in for a lot of new stuff.
Most of which they already showed, kinda shooting themselves in the foot when it comes to having exciting reveals for Warhammer Fest.
Which is kind of a running theme with 40k on Warhammer Fest.
I spoke with a friend the other day who has an interest in GW. He doesn't come on forums or even really visit the GW website all that much. He goes into the store every so often and buys and paints models he likes. He got turned onto Warhammer Fest by a store employee and has been loving it. You just don't seem to understand that forum dwellers and people who follow news and rumors are a TINY percentage of people who are customers of GW. The fact that you have seen a single picture of some models in a Warhammer community site, which is meant to give sneak glimpses of stuff coming to those who are particularly interested, is irrelevant. You don't seem capable of understanding this so whatever...
xttz wrote: I'm pretty excited for Ork players, if that cave-painting artwork is any indication they're in for a lot of new stuff.
Most of which they already showed, kinda shooting themselves in the foot when it comes to having exciting reveals for Warhammer Fest.
Which is kind of a running theme with 40k on Warhammer Fest.
What are you talking about? So far we've seen two of the Squighog minis and a Beast Snagga boy. That video animation still what looked at least two warbosses and a couple of vehicles along with more ork infantry, none of which has been spotted anywhere yet.
Yeah, we haven't seen:
*The vehicles pulled by squigs
*Warboss
*Bearded dude
*One ork was riding a two legged squig
*The full reveal of the teased units
I mean I was already slightly disappointed by yesterday, despite the solid reveals, because I wanted a Heresy plastic set with Mk5. I'm unrealistic though.
Eiríkr wrote: It's been a very uninspiring week from Games Workshop.
I don’t know about that. I thought the AoS reveals were awesome, it’s just the 40K stuff that’s been crap. Of course, if you’ve no interest in AoS, it’s a whole different story.
Well, we'll see with this second round of 40k reveals. First wasn't really crap in itself, it's just that most of it was already known. So there wasn't that much of an impact.
I mean, with AoS, we knew Kragnos was coming, but not as a demi god of Destruction. And there were a few more reveals about Soulblight Gravelords that were surprising and...yeah, actually, there wasn't that many huge surprises as well for AoS so far.
As for the boxed games, we knew there was an idoneth deepkin warband coming and they would reveal the last Necromunda "House of..." series.
In the end, the plastic thunderhawk had more impact. Because it was a true surprise. Not that they would make a third AI starter box with eldars vs space marines (that was actually spot on for quite a while, now), no. I think everyone expected the thunderhawk was going to be a FW resin miniature for AI.
Otherwise...I admit, I got a bit hyped, but it wasn't that big a reveal in the end until now.
The intro has an oddly specific " F you" to people who wanted Kommandos
The boss is pretty badass
Zodgrod too
Monowheel bomb squig great of course
On the boys I don't like the sideways back ornaments, they feel like some sort of naff aesthetic compromise for the body still being castable in one piece
Oh god. Upgrade kit for the cadians? Replace the kit already! If we want to stick nice bits on gakky cadian sculpts we're already extremely well catered for on that front from 3rd parties.
yukishiro1 wrote: In the grim darkness of the 42nd millenium, ethnicities and female faces exist among the Cadians, but female bodies do not.
How noticeable you think boobs are going to be under a bunch of armor? Especially at the scale the game is, it's a bit silly to complain there aren't tits on the armor like with SoB.
That said, they better not increase the price of the Cadian kit due to the upgrade sprue, considering every copy of the existing kit is essentially free as it has made it's cost back probably 100,000 times over....you know, being two decade old.
BertBert wrote: At that point they really just should've made a new kit.
Agreed. Still better than nothing.
Often no effort is better then half assed. This just feels like them kicking the can down the road on something they are now tacitly admitting is horridly dated.
I mean, it looks pretty sweet, but still an odd thing.
Seems a bit off, eh? Or rushed. Because they literally recut sprues and redid the bloody Space Marine Tacticals like every edition up to 8th. Can't even claim they were new. 3rd was new, 4th, 5th, 6th? Sprue recuts or new bits added.
Eh.
As amusing as the idea of doing a Deathskull Beast-Snagga army riding and using looted Tyranids is, will pass.
Preview video showing Thousand Sons and Grey Knights....
CSM players be like, am I a joke to you?
Seriously, Chaos sub-factions getting updates before Chaos themselves are is kind of depressing really.
They probably didn't want to update cadians, since if the new kits weren't multipart kits and were built around specific poses, heads, etc, then GSC would lose models and invalidate their upgrade sprue. Maybe?
Oh feth you GW! Seriously, just sticking new heads on the cadian kit isn't going to solve anything, just remake the damn kit, such an unbelievable dick move!
The warboss in megarmor looks nice, but it's such a fething ripoff of the ArtelW iron boss model, which is still leagues ahead of what GW makes.....they should be ashamed honestly.
DrGiggles wrote: The teasers from today definitely make up for Tuesday. Finger's crossed the Warboss in MA comes with an option for a klaw.
The new ork stuff all looks pretty awesome. Not a fan of Zog, mostly because I REALLY am nostalgic for the original who had better hair and beard but the other stuff is great. I love the Hog Squig with a wheel in place of it's hind honches.
I absolutely love the new orks, but the limited box set sucks, it'll sell out in 2 mins and the models won't be available seperately for a long time.
The Guard upgrade is a bit of a joke, I already have plenty of Cadian Guardsmen, not much point in buying slightly different ones, if they were a compeltely new sculpt I would've got some.
I wonder if the Grey Knights will become primaris or is that teaser just about a codex for them with no new models?
BertBert wrote: At that point they really just should've made a new kit.
Agreed. Still better than nothing.
No sure I agree. Nothing would have left the possibility of a new kit in the forseeable future. Now we are likely stuck with the same out of scale guardsmen for several years.
Oh... I have to say I am rather bummed by the IG upgrade sprue. It of course improves the kit quite a bit, but I was really hoping for a fully new kit as the proportions of the current one just are awkward, and this certainly means that we're stuck with these models to foreseeable future. But at least that is an answer, I kinda had put my guard on hold as I was anticipating new kits, but now as I know that no such thing is coming I can plan accordingly.
GaroRobe wrote: They probably didn't want to update cadians, since if the new kits weren't multipart kits and were built around specific poses, heads, etc, then GSC would lose models and invalidate their upgrade sprue. Maybe?
I don't think you hinge the future of an entire army range on a single ancillary sprue from another army.
yukishiro1 wrote: In the grim darkness of the 42nd millenium, ethnicities and female faces exist among the Cadians, but female bodies do not.
How noticeable you think boobs are going to be under a bunch of armor? Especially at the scale the game is, it's a bit silly to complain there aren't tits on the armor like with SoB.
That said, they should've redone the kit.
Think it's more a case of the arms and hands are a bit disproportionate and off. You might be able to excuse the bodies but the arms and hands will be telling. Particularly with any officers, sergeants or specialists.
BertBert wrote: At that point they really just should've made a new kit.
Agreed. Still better than nothing.
No sure I agree. Nothing would have left the possibility of a new kit in the forseeable future. Now we are likely stuck with the same out of scale guardsmen for several years.
Yup, sadly the Cadians are here to stay, we can only hope they release more upgrade kits to modify that kit for other regiments.
While they really should’ve just made it 1 40K day, I’m super hyped about these orks. What they’ve shown for them so far is super awesome, I love the army box and keen for the new book. Can’t wait to see the rest!
yukishiro1 wrote: In the grim darkness of the 42nd millenium, ethnicities and female faces exist among the Cadians, but female bodies do not.
How noticeable you think boobs are going to be under a bunch of armor? Especially at the scale the game is, it's a bit silly to complain there aren't tits on the armor like with SoB.
That said, they should've redone the kit.
We've got female guard before (say in Blackstone Fortress). They don't have boob armour, but they do have recognisably different waists/hips and slimmer hands etc, because otherwise it looks like you just glued a female head on a male body. Which, y'know. You have.
Also I think a lot of the new helmeted heads look comically oversized in general tbh. The elbows on the special weapons also share some of the worst parts of the existing kit.
BertBert wrote: At that point they really just should've made a new kit.
Agreed. Still better than nothing.
No sure I agree. Nothing would have left the possibility of a new kit in the forseeable future. Now we are likely stuck with the same out of scale guardsmen for several years.
I suppose this could just be a stop gap, and they are going to do an entirely new guard kit that is not Cadians. But you may be on to something unfortunately. Who knows, maybe GW will start allowing 3rd party guard models, since they don't want to make them themselves. Just kidding there, that would never happen.
yukishiro1 wrote: In the grim darkness of the 42nd millenium, ethnicities and female faces exist among the Cadians, but female bodies do not.
How noticeable you think boobs are going to be under a bunch of armor? Especially at the scale the game is, it's a bit silly to complain there aren't tits on the armor like with SoB.
That said, they should've redone the kit.
Think it's more a case of the arms and hands are a bit disproportionate and off. You might be able to excuse the bodies but the arms and hands will be telling. Particularly with any officers, sergeants or specialists.
To hold my anger for a second in, Victoria Miniatures has both Male and Femal models for most of there line. All together, there is enough of a difference.
GaroRobe wrote: They probably didn't want to update cadians, since if the new kits weren't multipart kits and were built around specific poses, heads, etc, then GSC would lose models and invalidate their upgrade sprue. Maybe?
I don't think you hinge the future of an entire army range on a single ancillary sprue from another army.
lol, they apparently balanced around it for the Guard book so why not the model range?
I *kind of* understand the thinking with the Cadian upgrade sprue as the GSC upgrade sprue really improves the kit. But it still seems like a huge missed opportunity for guard, I just hope we get other guard types in full sprue form to make up for it.
As a Chaos player, I guess I should just be happy I'm not a Xenos player
Super excited about 1000 Sons, hopefully we get new Deathguard soon, because those two subfactions haven't gotten nearly enough new stuff.
Now if you'll excuse I'm off to build my 3rd Edition Berzerkers I paid 65$ for last week and bought the same kit 15 years ago for $30. Ohh and I can't wait to glue my fine cast noise marines together what joy I will have.
It could also be that they have some more room in the production line for the clam pack sized upgrade sprues, hence new ones for escher, goliath, and now cadians. Also the upgrade sprue could be used with the cadian command squad as well.
yukishiro1 wrote: In the grim darkness of the 42nd millenium, ethnicities and female faces exist among the Cadians, but female bodies do not.
How noticeable you think boobs are going to be under a bunch of armor? Especially at the scale the game is, it's a bit silly to complain there aren't tits on the armor like with SoB.
That said, they should've redone the kit.
You're the one who started talking about boobs. If you think female bodies look identical to male ones, I've got some news for you, and for the GW sculptors who make a distinction in their other ranges. Even Eldar Guardians from way back in the dark ages have male and female options.
The better "defense" would be that the Cadians are deformed and anatomically inaccurate no matter what gender they are.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: On the Cadian thing? How many people saw them thought “ooh, new Cadians”, then we’re surprised it’s just an upgrade sprue?
Because on first impressions I didn’t peg them as just an upgrade.
The scale is still off, their heads still look too big and their bodies look stunted. Those greedy fethers should have just made a new kit already, it kinda beggars belief how much GW is spitting into guard players faces. feth them.
And again, ripping off ArtelW with that warboss in megarmor is a major dick move, even though the model looks nice.
The warboss in megarmor looks nice, but it's such a fething ripoff of the ArtelW iron boss model, which is still leagues ahead of what GW makes.....they should be ashamed honestly.
yukishiro1 wrote: In the grim darkness of the 42nd millenium, ethnicities and female faces exist among the Cadians, but female bodies do not.
How noticeable you think boobs are going to be under a bunch of armor? Especially at the scale the game is, it's a bit silly to complain there aren't tits on the armor like with SoB.
That said, they should've redone the kit.
Think it's more a case of the arms and hands are a bit disproportionate and off. You might be able to excuse the bodies but the arms and hands will be telling. Particularly with any officers, sergeants or specialists.
To hold my anger for a second in, Victoria Miniatures has both Male and Femal models for most of there line. All together, there is enough of a difference.
Actually now that you mention it this upgrade stunt thing just opened a big door for all those third party doing generic futuristic troops.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: On the Cadian thing? How many people saw them thought “ooh, new Cadians”, then we’re surprised it’s just an upgrade sprue?
Because on first impressions I didn’t peg them as just an upgrade.
My first thought was Oh wow the new cadians are still really bad lol, then after a few seconds I realized it was because they were 95% the same garbage models.
The warboss in megarmor looks nice, but it's such a fething ripoff of the ArtelW iron boss model, which is still leagues ahead of what GW makes.....they should be ashamed honestly.
Isn't that model just ripped off Ghaz?
The iron boss from Artel W came out before the new Ghazgkull model from saga of the beast.
Bah, I got tired of falsely mysterious teaser trailers at the end of their live.
And anyway, it could as well mean just the return of Grey Knight Mary Sue In Chief and they keep the same old miniatures for the troops.
Or not. All that means is that they'll make another fake preview like this one later to reveal a bit more until it becomes a deflated balloon like the sister V9 codex reveal at the end.
Seriously, that cadian upgrade sprue is killing me. I can't help laughing thinking about it. The ultimate "feth you, we're gonna keep selling you the same old kit as base for quite a while 'cause no one cares about basic imperial guard soldiers".
So...they went through the trouble to sculpt new arms, weapons, and heads for Cadians. Why not just a new kit at this point? I mean its nice that the kit will finally have all of the special weapons in it finally. If they don't jack up the price of the kit it will at least be more worth buying than the Command Squad set now. I dunno, 5 years ago doing the upgrade sprue might have been fine for me, but at this point I've either grabbed all the special weapons I need from the Command Squad box (before the price hikes of the past 3 years) or bit sellers. It is nice to finally get a bolter in explicitly Cadian arms at least. Also I suppose nice that now not every guardsman using a power sword isn't an amputee.
I dunno, when it comes out finally if the price isn't jacked up to high heaven I might grab a box to tool around with or for conversion work, but overall seems a bit lackluster.
'Oh you want a mega armoured Warboss?
Well yeeeesss we can help with that!
Oh, what's that? We gave the model a weapon which will invalidate everyone's' existing models?
Ooh how silly of us!'
I don't think they're going to re-do Cadians. When the revisit, they'll do what they're doing with Orks and what they've done with every other faction. They'll create two or three totally new units that make up a new sub-faction. Like the Tempestus Scions. They aren't going to update ranges anymore.
But hey, in the meantime you can have Cadians with facial hair, or who lost their helmet.
New orks look great. Loving the rasta Zogrod. My only criticism is that the pieces of flair on their backs make it too easy to tell the duplicated poses. I'll be trying to get the army box for sure.
Cadian upgrade sprue is kind of random, I seem to be in a minority though in that I like the existing Cadian kit. Rather than replacing it with a new version in the future I hope they redo the Catachans and/or make a Steel Legion/Krieg kit instead. A much better use of their time!
GK vs Thousand Sons will surely just be a battle box with a new character model for each faction in it? Maybe Stern vs M'kachen?
2x210 wrote: As a Chaos player, I guess I should just be happy I'm not a Xenos player
Super excited about 1000 Sons, hopefully we get new Deathguard soon, because those two subfactions haven't gotten nearly enough new stuff.
Now if you'll excuse I'm off to build my 3rd Edition Berzerkers I paid 65$ for last week and bought the same kit 15 years ago for $30. Ohh and I can't wait to glue my fine cast noise marines together what joy I will have.
Fire and magic looks just like a battle box with a new ksons sorcerer and grey knight character in it. Probably just new codices without many new new models like admech or dark eldar. Orks and sisters are both getting larger range updates. Tyranids are probably getting a handful of kits at most. Core csm could use a new codex and a couple characters, but are mostly covered. Emperors children are likely to be the next csm subfaction book, with all the focus on slaanesh recently, hints of fulgrim, and how noise marines dont have any plastic kits, 15 years old or no.
Sasori wrote: I am really a bit suprised that Thousand Sons are coming this soon. I wasn't expecting them this year at all.
This also means that Vanilla Chaos are even further back. I wonder if this means something about that dex.
I have no idea how they can tackle that book in the new format without supplements. It has 15 subfactions many of which are amongst the most divergent in terms of fitting into a unifying doctrine equivalent (Word Bearers/Night Lords)
I guess they could drop the 7 that were patched in during 8th.
I sincerely hope GW gets some backlash for that idiotic upgrade sprue. I sadly doubt it, but a man can dream.
I am still kinda speechless as to the sheer magnitude of douchiness GW is displaying here.
You can even have a cadian still wearing his covid mask outside in the 41st millenium. You can just hear him telling his squad mates that this is the "new normal".
ListenToMeWarriors wrote: I *kind of* understand the thinking with the Cadian upgrade sprue as the GSC upgrade sprue really improves the kit. But it still seems like a huge missed opportunity for guard, I just hope we get other guard types in full sprue form to make up for it.
Truthfully, it points for my mind more towards a couple of different potential things:
-A dedicated Guard range revamp is in the works, with them wanting to shift some items that are currently only in the Cadian Command set(Sniper Rifle, Meltagun, Plasma Gun, Plasma Pistol, Power Sword, and Bolt Pistol) into a format that is more readily available.
OR
-A dedicated Guard range revamp is in the works and they're still wanting to solidify the final aesthetics for the actual range itself.
yukishiro1 wrote: In the grim darkness of the 42nd millenium, ethnicities and female faces exist among the Cadians, but female bodies do not.
How noticeable you think boobs are going to be under a bunch of armor? Especially at the scale the game is, it's a bit silly to complain there aren't tits on the armor like with SoB.
That said, they should've redone the kit.
If you think boobs is only difference between men and female appearance might be good idea to go for walk outside
ListenToMeWarriors wrote: I *kind of* understand the thinking with the Cadian upgrade sprue as the GSC upgrade sprue really improves the kit. But it still seems like a huge missed opportunity for guard, I just hope we get other guard types in full sprue form to make up for it.
Truthfully, it points for my mind more towards a couple of different potential things:
-A dedicated Guard range revamp is in the works, with them wanting to shift some items that are currently only in the Cadian Command set(Sniper Rifle, Meltagun, Plasma Gun, Plasma Pistol, Power Sword, and Bolt Pistol) into a format that is more readily available.
OR
-A dedicated Guard range revamp is in the works and they're still wanting to solidify the final aesthetics for the actual range itself.
I choose "they don't intend to make new cadian miniatures because they'll make another unknown regiment to sell more boxes".
Cadia is blown up, anyway.
Why do you think they make the Beastsnaggas ? Because it's something no one owns, including the ork veteran players. You want to play them ? Gotta buy them all from scrap. You get more sales from entirely new miniatures, not mere redesigns.
Albino Squirrel wrote: I don't think they're going to re-do Cadians. When the revisit, they'll do what they're doing with Orks and what they've done with every other faction. They'll create two or three totally new units that make up a new sub-faction. Like the Tempestus Scions. They aren't going to update ranges anymore.
But hey, in the meantime you can have Cadians with facial hair, or who lost their helmet.
Zombies say hi. Dire wolves say hi.
Oh and necron warrlors, scarabs and heavy destroyer says hi
II wonder if the upgrade sprue was a new designers "Tryout". Show us some different hair styles, facial expression and helmet options. If people wanted diversity for their models, they got it with the faces of these recruits.
I choose "they don't intend to make new cadian miniatures because they'll make another unknown regiment to sell more boxes".
Right, because that's why they redid the Tau Fire Warriors.
Cadia is blown up, anyway.
The planet yes. There's a whole system.
Why do you think they make the Beastsnaggas ? Because it's something no one owns, including the ork veteran players. You want to play them ? Gotta buy them all from scrap.
You missed the part where they are not their own army, eh?
There's a bunch of different ways that things can play out that have the end result of "veteran players buying stuff". New weapon options in the squads, new units that are part of a dual kit with the squads, new upgrade kits that use the squads as the basis, etc.
Theophony wrote: II wonder if the upgrade sprue was a new designers "Tryout". Show us some different hair styles, facial expression and helmet options. If people wanted diversity for their models, they got it with the faces of these recruits.
I was thinking the same - it's how the Starstriders Voidsmen came about.
Looks to me like this unit is mostly exact duplicates. 8 completely monopose figures and then the first Boy at top left can switch to a gun (second row, last but one) and the second Boy from top left can switch to the Nob. That's disappointing.
Because no one bought them anyway. Cadian troops are still used.
Citation very much needed.
The only one buying cadians is because he doesn't want to go 3rd party and starting a new guard army.
Because the only thing worse then cadians at this stage for that faction is catachans.
Atleast we the upgrade sprue we now got finally all the special weapons. Still though this is an insult.
People may want an entirely new guard kit, but I don't think they want to pay the prices and the reduction in compatibility with other kits and 3rd party providers that goes along with it.
Looks to me like this unit is mostly exact duplicates. 8 completely monopose figures and then the first Boy at top left can switch to a gun (second row, last but one) and the second Boy from top left can switch to the Nob. That's disappointing.
Troke did say that it was "a couple of units" of the Boyz plus the riders, Nob, and character. That would be two boxes of the Boyz, the riders, Nob, character, and book.
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Sarouan wrote: Bah, I got tired of falsely mysterious teaser trailers at the end of their live.
And anyway, it could as well mean just the return of Grey Knight Mary Sue In Chief and they keep the same old miniatures for the troops.
Or you could have just read the article...
It seems like two powerfully psychic forces are preparing to clash in an upcoming battle box. But the warp is fickle, and you’ll need to wait a little bit longer to find out exactly what’s going on here.
Pardon? Castellan Crowe? We’ve never heard of this man in our lives, and we have it on good authority that there’s no such thing as a ‘Grey Knight’. Sit still, and we’ll send along one of our helpful Inquisitors to show you exactly where you were mistaken.
Oguhmek wrote: Hey Vasquez, ever been mistaken for a man?
No, have you?
Exalted for Aliens quote.
Also, these beast snaggas 100% look EZ build. I expect they’ll either do a Necrons and release them in a box of 10 of these EZ build ones, or we’ll see a multi part kit in the full release.
Reality is futuristic human "normal soldiers" are harder to cover by copyright than, say, gothic Space Marines.
It's not that hard to find in the competition.
Guess they can make primaris sized guards, but that kinda kills the interest of the astra militarum : being a simple human in a galaxy filled with horrors that are way better than you in every aspect.
But didnt the guy with the glasses say that the upgrade kit is just a segment from the new guard kit, or something along those lines? Did I hallucinate?
Can someone bother to rewind that bit of the stream?
If what I heard was correct, there will be a new guard kit coming later, these are just the heads from the new one, you'll have to wait for the full kit.
Far better preview than I expected, kudos. Absolutely love the mega-armoured Warboss, and excited to see what they do with TS.
tauist wrote: But didnt the guy with the glasses say that the upgrade kit is just a segment from the new guard kit, or something along those lines? Did I hallucinate?
Can someone bother to rewind that bit of the stream?
If what I heard was correct, there will be a new kit coming later, these are just the heads from the new one, you'll have to wait for the full kit
Marshal Loss wrote: Far better preview than I expected, kudos. Absolutely love the mega-armoured Warboss, and excited to see what they do with TS.
tauist wrote: But didnt the guy with the glasses say that the upgrade kit is just a segment from the new guard kit, or something along those lines? Did I hallucinate?
Can someone bother to rewind that bit of the stream?
If what I heard was correct, there will be a new kit coming later, these are just the heads from the new one, you'll have to wait for the full kit
It seems like two powerfully psychic forces are preparing to clash in an upcoming battle box. But the warp is fickle, and you’ll need to wait a little bit longer to find out exactly what’s going on here.
Pardon? Castellan Crowe? We’ve never heard of this man in our lives, and we have it on good authority that there’s no such thing as a ‘Grey Knight’. Sit still, and we’ll send along one of our helpful Inquisitors to show you exactly where you were mistaken.
Like I said, I'm tired of their falsely mysterious tease.
It's a grey knight vs thousand sons limited box, it's obvious. Can be Castellan Crowe or another character pulled out of their magic hat and it would still be a grey knight character "exclusive at launch" or something for the limited box.
It's just a tease for another future preview that will tease a bit more, that's all.
Marshal Loss wrote: Far better preview than I expected, kudos. Absolutely love the mega-armoured Warboss, and excited to see what they do with TS.
tauist wrote: But didnt the guy with the glasses say that the upgrade kit is just a segment from the new guard kit, or something along those lines? Did I hallucinate?
Can someone bother to rewind that bit of the stream?
If what I heard was correct, there will be a new kit coming later, these are just the heads from the new one, you'll have to wait for the full kit
No, this is just a new sprue added to the old kit
Correct, the way it sounded made it seem like they're going to cease selling the Cadian infantry squad as its current incarnation and instead there is a new kit coming that will feature this.
With any luck, it will be like the Genestealer Brood Brothers Squad, which is a set of Cadians plus a Heavy Weapon Team plus the GSC upgrade frame.
Marshal Loss wrote: Far better preview than I expected, kudos. Absolutely love the mega-armoured Warboss, and excited to see what they do with TS.
tauist wrote: But didnt the guy with the glasses say that the upgrade kit is just a segment from the new guard kit, or something along those lines? Did I hallucinate?
Can someone bother to rewind that bit of the stream?
If what I heard was correct, there will be a new kit coming later, these are just the heads from the new one, you'll have to wait for the full kit
No, this is just a new sprue added to the old kit
Did you rewind it? I need to watch that again
Don't need to, read the WHC article
which is why boxes of Cadian Shock Troops will soon be upgraded with a whole new sprue of additional parts.
I'm a bit torn. On one hand, yay Guard. On another, the Cadian box desperately needed to be remade, I feel. Depending on how it's going to impact the price, the new sprue could also make the army even more expensive to build, which is hardly ideal.
I'm liking a lot of the head sculpts, replacing the old lackluster ones is a quick and dirty way to make Cadians look a bit more fresh, though as mentioned above, the bodies are really too bulky, IMO, to make for convincing women with just a head swap. The guy with the ski mask under his helmet is my particular favorite from the set.
The Orks look nice. I'm especially loving Zodgrod, his slightly lankier physique and crazy hair-squig give him a real wild man of the mountains vibe. The Warboss is likewise a nicely realized concept combining the savagery and slight comic overtones of the Orkish aesthetic in a nicely synergistic whole. I'm not yet sure how to feel about the lore implications of the Beast Snaggas, but the replacements-for-Boarboyz-boyz are nice models.
One thing that's always puzzled me is that if orks and squigs are a part of the same ecosystem of related fungi, should they have the same skintone? Kind of want to see what the squighogs would look with a more greyish-green one, their studio paintjob is a bit too 90s for my taste.
Looks to me like this unit is mostly exact duplicates. 8 completely monopose figures and then the first Boy at top left can switch to a gun (second row, last but one) and the second Boy from top left can switch to the Nob. That's disappointing.
Troke did say that it was "a couple of units" of the Boyz plus the riders, Nob, and character. That would be two boxes of the Boyz, the riders, Nob, character, and book.
Sure, but I hoped the Boyz box would at least give each dude one alternate build. Imagine a whole bunch of 20-man units in a Beast Snaggas army, all incuding the same 8 dudes twice over. Awful.
Weren't there rumors eons ago that Chaos Space Marines were going to get a stand alone sorcerer and it would have 2 helmet options, one of which was a Thousand Sons helm? Wouldn't be surprised if that's in the new box along with existing stuff.
Sasori wrote: I am really a bit suprised that Thousand Sons are coming this soon. I wasn't expecting them this year at all.
This also means that Vanilla Chaos are even further back. I wonder if this means something about that dex.
I have no idea how they can tackle that book in the new format without supplements. It has 15 subfactions many of which are amongst the most divergent in terms of fitting into a unifying doctrine equivalent (Word Bearers/Night Lords)
I guess they could drop the 7 that were patched in during 8th.
My prediction for a while is that it releases alongside a "Legions" supplement to supplement all the legions. Seems like a very GW thing to do. Tack on a 30$ tax for a supplement for all those legions.
The Orks look okay, but also weird in that there seems to be absolutely no interchangeability in them? It seems the same body is always paired with the same head, the same gun and the same axe. Makes the repeated models stand out like a sore thumb.
You'd think they'd make those bits at the least swappable for a bit of variety, if not having entire arms swappable.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: The Orks look okay, but also weird in that there seems to be absolutely no interchangeability in them? It seems the same body is always paired with the same head, the same gun and the same axe.
You'd think they'd make those bits at the least swappable for a big of variety, if not having entire arms swappable.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: The Orks look okay, but also weird in that there seems to be absolutely no interchangeability in them? It seems the same body is always paired with the same head, the same gun and the same axe. Makes the repeated models stand out like a sore thumb.
You'd think they'd make those bits at the least swappable for a bit of variety, if not having entire arms swappable.
I bet it's an ETB box, just like the Sisters Army Box, which later got everything relased separately as multipart kits.
yukishiro1 wrote: In the grim darkness of the 42nd millenium, ethnicities and female faces exist among the Cadians, but female bodies do not.
How noticeable you think boobs are going to be under a bunch of armor? Especially at the scale the game is, it's a bit silly to complain there aren't tits on the armor like with SoB.
That said, they should've redone the kit.
You're the one who started talking about boobs. If you think female bodies look identical to male ones, I've got some news for you, and for the GW sculptors who make a distinction in their other ranges. Even Eldar Guardians from way back in the dark ages have male and female options.
The better "defense" would be that the Cadians are deformed and anatomically inaccurate no matter what gender they are.
You've still chosen an incredibly stupid hill to die on. There are innumerable factors that influence physical appearance, from genetics to diet to training to sheer randomness. There's no such thing as Universal Male Body Mark 1 and Universal Female Body Mark 1. A squad of Cadians all being exactly the same height is far more anomalous than female Cadians not showing their hips through their equipment. At best, the features you're talking about are averaged-out features across multiple individuals, or culturally-stereotyped features. You can easily find two "male" bodies that deviate from one another more than another comparison pair of one "male" body and one "female" body. In the case of Cadians, a layer of clothing and al layer of armour additionally obscures whatever averaged-out features you're expecting to see.
There's nothing wrong with sculpting different bodies, but there's also nothing bizarre or absurd about using differently-sexed heads on one set of bodies.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: The Orks look okay, but also weird in that there seems to be absolutely no interchangeability in them? It seems the same body is always paired with the same head, the same gun and the same axe. Makes the repeated models stand out like a sore thumb.
You'd think they'd make those bits at the least swappable for a bit of variety, if not having entire arms swappable.
It's plastic. If you have a knife, they're swappable.
you" to people who wanted Kommandos
