The big new centrepiece model is totally new as its the priest - both new in reveals. Much of the rest we have seen, but now we know its coming and with a brand new book!
The big new centrepiece model is totally new as its the priest - both new in reveals. Much of the rest we have seen, but now we know its coming and with a brand new book!
My bad. Another character for a faction half composed of single models and a book that is entirely expected given all their new stuff.
yay, legitimate soup tied to 1 charachter centerpiece.
Truly Word bearers can rejoice, for they only need to take a Daemonprince so ancient he has his own classification class to play a fluffy WB list..
The sisters with the maces look way better than the halberds.
The High Lord thing is stupid, but I guess GW really needed another expensive centerpiece model. Seems to be the directive from on high is that every army has to have one. It will be funny seeing how much she outclasses Celestine.
Incidentally, I find it downright hilarious that you have to subscribe to comment. They've even monetized their own advertising.
With 2 Charadon books giving new rules for AdMech, and then the upcoming codex, this means that AdMech players will need all 3 books to have access to all of the AdMech rules. That's a new... Low? High? Even for Geedubs.
You must be an absolute pleasure to know in person. I don't think I've ever seen a non-negative post from you here on Dakka. Are you one of those people that absolutely hates the hobby but can't stay away from discussions about said hobby?
You must be an absolute pleasure to know in person. I don't think I've ever seen a non-negative post from you here on Dakka. Are you one of those people that absolutely hates the hobby but can't stay away from discussions about said hobby?
I mean is there anything about GW to be positive about?
You must be an absolute pleasure to know in person. I don't think I've ever seen a non-negative post from you here on Dakka. Are you one of those people that absolutely hates the hobby but can't stay away from discussions about said hobby?
I mean is there anything about GW to be positive about?
Why bother posting then if there is nothing to be positive about?
I still don't like the battlesuits, but having a High Lord is cool. I need to convert a model to represent her.
And the Celestians are gorgeous. And everyone who had aneurysm about the one-handed halberds can just equip them with maces. This is also a good kit for converting characters and superiors.
You must be an absolute pleasure to know in person. I don't think I've ever seen a non-negative post from you here on Dakka. Are you one of those people that absolutely hates the hobby but can't stay away from discussions about said hobby?
I mean is there anything about GW to be positive about
Its positive that GW does not force you to watch, like,buy their stuff or participate in any way in the hobby. I cant wrap my head around wasting my time hating something that much and commit myself to it instead of just walking away and minding my own
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Edit: quotes messed up. Was with regards to the is there anything positive about gw
Damn those suits look soooooo nasty. Like Warmachine did better and thats saying something and Infinity kicks ass design wise even if aesthetic is obviously different.
I think the sister warsuits are just failed Adeptus Titanicus units that got repurposed for 40K. You could easily remove the fleshy arms and head and attach nipple guns and a pilot helmet to make a whole new Knight/Titan unit.
NAVARRO wrote: Damn those suits look soooooo nasty. Like Warmachine did better and thats saying something and Infinity kicks ass design wise even if aesthetic is obviously different.
They're about 50% there, in my opinion. Needed another pass. Far from the worst thing they've put out lately but not up to snuff
As tiresome as it can be to see someone who just wants to hate on GW, it's much more tiresome to see people responding to that with personal attacks. If you don't like someone's negative comments about a GW product, just don't respond to them. GW doesn't need you to defend their honor by personally insulting people who don't share your opinions, and that behavior itself is far more toxic and entitled.
Whelp, that was a boring preview. I think there were two minis we hadn't seen before? And a campaign book? Seems like a Warhammer community article would have been a better thing to post that in than a 40 minute presentation. Especially after all the cool stuff we saw yesterday.
People are ravenous these days, You give them something new which was hoped for years and years, took ages to develop and design, they show 1 picture of it and talk about it for 5 minutes and people scream "NEXT!" what the hell is wrong with people?
I was at least expecting this to be Sisters and Orks since we'd seen a lot of both, then completely new stuff on Friday.
Even my cynicism wasn't enough.
Hollow wrote: People are ravenous these days, You give them something new which was hoped for years and years, took ages to develop and design, they show 1 picture of it and talk about it for 5 minutes and people scream "NEXT!" what the hell is wrong with people?
Not everyone is interested in one army. Not everybody likes every design.
That's it? Seriously? What a bunch of crap......another absolute hype fest with zero substance. I'll ignore the rest of the week, could literally be more productive doing absolutely anything else.
yukishiro1 wrote: As tiresome as it can be to see someone who just wants to hate on GW, it's much more tiresome to see people responding to that with personal attacks. If you don't like someone's negative comments about a GW product, just don't respond to them. GW doesn't need you to defend their honor by personally insulting people who don't share your opinions, and that behavior itself is far more toxic and entitled.
Yeah but thats what I mean there is plenty of space between being a shill and being so toxicly negative. I dont give a damn about defending GW I just think its unnecessary to spoil everything other people might enjoy. Even on the internet.
Hollow wrote: People are ravenous these days, You give them something new which was hoped for years and years, took ages to develop and design, they show 1 picture of it and talk about it for 5 minutes and people scream "NEXT!" what the hell is wrong with people?
GW chose this by pumping and dumping a new release every week.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: With 2 Charadon books giving new rules for AdMech, and then the upcoming codex, this means that AdMech players will need all 3 books to have access to all of the AdMech rules. That's a new... Low? High? Even for Geedubs.
I still remember when Chaos had something like 8 or more books: CSM, Daemons, Khorne Daemonkin, Imperial Armour books, Traitor Legions, Traitors Hate, Wrath of Magnus and Fall of Cadia off the top of my head.
I've been using battlescribe for building armies and checking rules for years now, only ever use the codex now to have a quick read through either for the fluff or to check what the rules used to be like.
Hollow wrote: People are ravenous these days, You give them something new which was hoped for years and years, took ages to develop and design, they show 1 picture of it and talk about it for 5 minutes and people scream "NEXT!" what the hell is wrong with people?
Well, generally the idea of previews is to show something new. Not something people have known about for weeks. People aren't ravenous, they were just expecting previews.
yukishiro1 wrote: As tiresome as it can be to see someone who just wants to hate on GW, it's much more tiresome to see people responding to that with personal attacks. If you don't like someone's negative comments about a GW product, just don't respond to them. GW doesn't need you to defend their honor by personally insulting people who don't share your opinions, and that behavior itself is far more toxic and entitled.
It has nothing to do with GW's honor.
Frankly I'm just embarrassed to be a hobbyist by the way some of the people acted. There's plenty of stories of how vile people can be in gaming communities and you'd hope that this one would be a touch better, but apparently not. And, really, that level of bile just sucks the joy out of everything - so maybe that's my fault for letting it get to me, but there it is.
Disappointing. I was excited when they did the full sisters reveal so quickly because I thought it meant we'd also see the Orks, leaving the second 40k day open for something new. Ah well.
The presenters do a really good job on these previews but the level of content itself can be very hit and miss.
Hollow wrote: People are ravenous these days, You give them something new which was hoped for years and years, took ages to develop and design, they show 1 picture of it and talk about it for 5 minutes and people scream "NEXT!" what the hell is wrong with people?
Well, generally the idea of previews is to show something new. Not something people have known about for weeks. People aren't ravenous, they were just expecting previews.
100% this. GW just has no ability to set expectations with the fans when it comes to these streams.
Not everyone is interested in one army. Not everybody likes every design.
Wow! Really? That's so insightful! Great!
You're the one throwing a tantrum because people aren't graciously gobbling down everything and thanking GW for making a product to sell, so clearly you needed the insight.
Most of the stuff shown had been revealed already... and some repeats are fine, but when the entire show is just for one army, most of which is said repeats, you can't act too surprised when not everybody is happy. Especially when it means Friday is going to be more of the same (although Orks haven't had as much shown yet. Probably)
soviet13 wrote: Disappointing. I was excited when they did the full sisters reveal so quickly because I thought it meant we'd also see the Orks, leaving the second 40k day open for something new. Ah well.
The presenters do a really good job on these previews but the level of content itself can be very hit and miss.
well it all but guarantees that there is nothing big coming soon , and some factions could really use a refresh... (points at aeldari) or an actual rules update (points at basically every other faction)
Quasistellar wrote: Hopefully they have something actually interesting and new for the next session :(
Now I'm thinking day 2 will probably be licensed game crap and animation. I can't wait for yet another progress update on that monochrome blood angel thing they've had cooking since forever
yukishiro1 wrote: As tiresome as it can be to see someone who just wants to hate on GW, it's much more tiresome to see people responding to that with personal attacks. If you don't like someone's negative comments about a GW product, just don't respond to them. GW doesn't need you to defend their honor by personally insulting people who don't share your opinions, and that behavior itself is far more toxic and entitled.
It has nothing to do with GW's honor.
Frankly I'm just embarrassed to be a hobbyist by the way some of the people acted. There's plenty of stories of how vile people can be in gaming communities and you'd hope that this one would be a touch better, but apparently not. And, really, that level of bile just sucks the joy out of everything - so maybe that's my fault for letting it get to me, but there it is.
Ah yes I forgot, disliking something you like is the same as threatening to murder/rape someone
Damn, nice stuff from this one. Definitely looking forward to the terrain set, I mean I have all of that several times over but if they throw it all together for a decent discount that's all the excuse I need to buy some more. The Sisters walker is also great, probably gonna buy that one too if the price isn't too egregious.
I'm a sisters collector. It is decent what is being shown here. But we have seen so much of it before that it can hardly be called a reveal of anything really.
Still the models they showed were some excellent kits. So good stuff.
Holy cow... I didn't tune in so maybe I missed something fundamental. But this just seems like a massive dud, even if you like the models (and I've only seen mecha-HLoT so I don't know yet). I know the supply chain/ERP/whatever has massively screwed with GW and probably hampered their confidence in the ability to deliver releases at any given time. But if that's the case, and you don't have anything you can share... y'know, don't share it. Write an article, do another Saturday preview, whatever; this just is not the right way to market your stuff.
I'm still gobsmacked. Yesterday was pretty decent, how could today be so bad!?
I expected that today’s preview was going to be Sisters focused like how yesterday was Gravelords focused, so I’m not too surprised we didn’t see much. The new Sisters units look pretty good to me, though I’m not so excited about a new book already coming out...hopefully they don’t push Sisters to be *too* much like Marines in that they get a new book every 2-ish years.
I’m also curious if this new book might see the demise of some of the Ecclesiarchy models like Death Cult Assassins and Crusaders. Them not getting kits and seeing the new melee units makes me worry these conversions I’ve been working on are about to be moot.
They should have just put these up in a Warhammer Community article. What's the point of a livestream where even the presenters just looked bored and the same descriptions were regurgitated multiple times?
I enjoy their Horus Heresy books but spoilered below is my thoughts on their latest.
Spoiler:
Reading Mortis right now and despite being called “Mortis” and having Legio Mortis titans on the cover there’s no actual Mortis characters or any story told from the Mortis viewpoint. It’s a good book, but I expected them to be more than just the nameless baddies. That Ignatum and Solaria get way more attention is baffling to me.
I’m not sure they needed to split this up into a full week. It would’ve been a lot more impressive all being on the same day imo. Now we have to wait 2 more days to see some other thing for 40K which could’ve just been shown today.
Hollow wrote: People are ravenous these days, You give them something new which was hoped for years and years, took ages to develop and design, they show 1 picture of it and talk about it for 5 minutes and people scream "NEXT!" what the hell is wrong with people?
Well, generally the idea of previews is to show something new. Not something people have known about for weeks. People aren't ravenous, they were just expecting previews.
100% this. GW just has no ability to set expectations with the fans when it comes to these streams.
Well seeing dakkadakka is full of complain and whining if preview isn't at least 100 new kits per faction and new edition gw can't satisfy them.
Post preview dakkadakka whining is best part of previews. Keep it up! Whine! Whine! We want more whine!
Gene St. Ealer wrote: Holy cow... I didn't tune in so maybe I missed something fundamental. But this just seems like a massive dud, even if you like the models (and I've only seen mecha-HLoT so I don't know yet). I know the supply chain/ERP/whatever has massively screwed with GW and probably hampered their confidence in the ability to deliver releases at any given time. But if that's the case, and you don't have anything you can share... y'know, don't share it. Write an article, do another Saturday preview, whatever; this just is not the right way to market your stuff.
I'm still gobsmacked. Yesterday was pretty decent, how could today be so bad!?
Because unless its 40k marines or AOS or <insert side game> GW aint goign to put in any effort...
That was pretty sparse, especially as 40k campaign books do absolutely nothing for me. I love the sisters stuff though. The High Lord (Vahl?)is very cool. The melee Celestans are great (although the way their shields are, they’d snap their wrists with the first solid hit).
Hollow wrote: People are ravenous these days, You give them something new which was hoped for years and years, took ages to develop and design, they show 1 picture of it and talk about it for 5 minutes and people scream "NEXT!" what the hell is wrong with people?
Well, generally the idea of previews is to show something new. Not something people have known about for weeks. People aren't ravenous, they were just expecting previews.
The High Lord of Terra was new. Seeing the whole setup of the shieldbearers was new. The Priest was new. Charadon book II was new. Sorry that the Sisters of Battle Bulletin or the two units previewed in earlier shows(tank+warsuits) took away from your enjoyment of things, I guess?
I'm disappointed there wasn't any discussion of the Mechanicus. The previews we've gotten have been absolute crap, focused on basically just weapon changes. I don't need to know the weapon rules, I want to know how the damn Marshal works. I want to know how Canticles are going to function.
I didn't even watch the stream yet I was even underwhelmed just reading this thread. Honestly the boxed/specialist games day is probably gonna be the highlight of the week. Necro and BB are shaping up to be more exciting than the main gw games anyway.
That was poor compared to yesterday's reveal as most of it was stuff we've already seen before. Was a bit surprised when the presenters said that Admech had already been covered in previous previews, as this wasn't much different.
Y'know, I wouldn't have minded if they had announced something amazing for the SoBs, but those suits belong with Imperial Knights.
Nothing against the Charadron book and scenery pack but they weren't much to get excited about.
Quite like Orks but if thats all its going to be on Friday then I'd much rather skip to the community article instead...
Agamemnon2 wrote: They should have just put these up in a Warhammer Community article. What's the point of a livestream where even the presenters just looked bored and the same descriptions were regurgitated multiple times?
This is a self-inflicted pie on GW's face.
Agreed. I like both Adam and Eddie, and think in general they do a really good job. But telling them to talk about two new models and a niche campaign book for 40 minutes and act excited is asking a lot of anyone.
Quasistellar wrote: Hopefully they have something actually interesting and new for the next session :(
Now I'm thinking day 2 will probably be licensed game crap and animation. I can't wait for yet another progress update on that monochrome blood angel thing they've had cooking since forever
They'd seriously better not. Them wasting time on that crap shovelware game for AoS yesterday was actually offensive to me, and I'm bored to tears with hearing about animations that have no expected release window.
At least the people advocating for realistic fighting style in 40k can't moan anymore about the halberd and shield. They will complain about the impracticality of a pistol incorporated in a shield that way instead.
Sarouan wrote: Really shows their Hype machine is seriously griped with the pandemic, and they're lacking material for their everyday Warhammer Community articles.
The "big previews" can't be as big as they'd like.
I know. It kind of bugs me to. They don't have to do daily articles... They could do articles when there interesting stuff to article about..
Just like "big 40k reveal" doesn't have to happen if theres nothing to reveal.. Very floppy wet fish thing this preview..
AOS preview has significantly more brand new never before seen models than the 40k one, yet they have so much 40k to show they need 2 days?
Should have done one day and be done with it.
I also do not like this trend of high lords of Terra (who quite frankly have better things to be doing than fighting in a battle) coming to the battlefield, it doesn't work or make sense fluff wise alone.
Tiberius501 wrote: I’m not sure they needed to split this up into a full week. It would’ve been a lot more impressive all being on the same day imo. Now we have to wait 2 more days to see some other thing for 40K which could’ve just been shown today.
If they trimmed down the obligatory ten minutes of corporate PR "Wow this looks like the bestist model ever Eddie!" they could probably fit everything 40k into one hour. If they moved Saturday's to Friday they could even fill a full weekday calendar.
I like all the things we've so far, both yesterday and today, but was surprised at how short the preview today was. I'm not sure they needed to stretch out Warhammer Fest for an entire week, they probably could have done this over Friday-Sunday and kept up a bit more energy and excitement.
endlesswaltz123 wrote: AOS preview has significantly more brand new never before seen models than the 40k one, yet they have so much 40k to show they need 2 days?
Should have done one day and be done with it.
I also do not like this trend of high lords of Terra (who quite frankly have better things to be doing than fighting in a battle) coming to the battlefield, it doesn't work or make sense fluff wise alone.
yukishiro1 wrote: A second $60 DLC for ad mech is pretty funny stuff. They're nothing if not persistent about milking ad mech players for every penny they've got.
lol, because the first book was so mandatory for "admech" players right?
bullyboy wrote: The fact that they advertised the second 40K day with "because we have so much to show" is an absolute joke, lol.
I'll come back late Saturday morning and do a quick visual recap in 4 minutes.
Yeah, that's the level of anticipation you should probably have though, isn't it? If you're irritated or disappointed or otherwise upset at the content of this preview, if you were under the misapprehension that it would be a life changing event for you on the basis of the marketing hype, I'd argue that's entirely on you tbh.
Disappointed that with orks almost certainly being on Friday, there will likely be no big surprises for 40k. We knew Sisters and Orks were coming, so thats that. I guess we can blame COVID for this.
Strange to think I'm more excited for the BL session now than the next 40k one!
Hollow wrote: People are ravenous these days, You give them something new which was hoped for years and years, took ages to develop and design, they show 1 picture of it and talk about it for 5 minutes and people scream "NEXT!" what the hell is wrong with people?
Nobody hoped for sororitas in exosuits. Nobody hoped for "as close to a primarch as it gets" high lordess of terra Joan of Arc either.
If they actually delivered what their customers are hoping for, say, updated Eldar or Tyranids, people would be more acommodating.
endlesswaltz123 wrote: AOS preview has significantly more brand new never before seen models than the 40k one, yet they have so much 40k to show they need 2 days?
It had 5. Kragnos, the Dire Wolves, Radukar in his final form, Belladama, and dragon lady. Everything else had been seen.
Today had the High Lord, Priest, and a full look at the new Celestian variant kit. It wasn't as big of a difference as people are making it out to be, provided one actually followed AoS previews.
Should have done one day and be done with it.
I also do not like this trend of high lords of Terra (who quite frankly have better things to be doing than fighting in a battle) coming to the battlefield, it doesn't work or make sense fluff wise alone.
She's the High Abbess. You tell her she can't do what she wants.
Fergie0044 wrote: Disappointed that with orks almost certainly being on Friday, there will likely be no big surprises for 40k. We knew Sisters and Orks were coming, so thats that. I guess we can blame COVID for this.
Strange to think I'm more excited for the BL session now than the next 40k one!
Yes, can’t wait for the next Siege of Terra novel where half of it is about some time-traveling perpetual and the only traitor viewpoint is Perturabo’s equerry.
This whole "Warhammer Fest Week" is feeling kinda phoned in. The volume and nature of the content they are revealing doesn't really warrant daily 30 minute streams to reveal it. In the past these reveal streams have been hour-long affairs on a saturday previewing significant amounts of content slated for the next 2-3 months of releases. I think we've been conditioned to expect that level of output from GW from these streams, so when they show up for half that time with a fraction of the content we end up feeling underwhelmed. They would have been better off just doing daily article drops (still waiting for them to update WarCom, looks like they finally put the twitch stream up - only after it ended), OR doing two hour long saturday streams over a two week period or something.
Hollow wrote: People are ravenous these days, You give them something new which was hoped for years and years, took ages to develop and design, they show 1 picture of it and talk about it for 5 minutes and people scream "NEXT!" what the hell is wrong with people?
Nobody hoped for sororitas in exosuits. Nobody hoped for "as close to a primarch as it gets" high lordess of terra Joan of Arc either.
If they actually delivered what their customers are hoping for, say, updated Eldar or Tyranids, people would be more acommodating.
NVM an actual not cut content DLC book to facilitate a core playstyle of a whole super faction and nvm an actual roadmap when where what ca get's a rule update.
Fergie0044 wrote: Disappointed that with orks almost certainly being on Friday, there will likely be no big surprises for 40k. We knew Sisters and Orks were coming, so thats that. I guess we can blame COVID for this.
I'm bemused by a lot of aspects of this, but one of them is wondering why GW didn't even hold the Ork stuff back. Instead they've already previewed several kits that could have made a big smash on Friday. It feels a bit like they've let their previous Saturday preview cannibalize this Warhammer Fest stuff.
So the two days of 40K is less because they had so much they needed to two days, and more because they had two days and somebody on the team needed to stretch out to cover it.
Open question to Games Workshop.
Are 90% of your miniature designers working on Age of Sigmar?
Age of Sigmar yesterday got; 4 fantastic vampire lords on amazing looking vignettes, new dire wolves, vampire hunters, new Sylvaneth model, an amazing god of destruction. All this hot on the heels of the new Slannesh models, Lord Kroak and tons more besides.
What did the 40k players get in comparison?
A gouge book that you need to buy for £40 for 3 pages of rules.
And 2 Sisters of battle models, everything else we have seen months ago.
What really rubs salt into the wound is we are getting campaign books when half the factions don't even have a codex yet, why?
Drukhari got zero new models.
About time you started giving the 40k player base something new.
I already know that Fridays "big reveals" is going to be the beastsnagga kits they already revealed on warhammer community articles.
If you've got nothing to show, don't hype it up, you only shoot yourself in the foot.
It just shows it was stupid to use a whole week for all the reveals. They could have made a show just saturday and sunday and that would be more than enough. Actually, I think just one saturday would have been perfectly fine.
Another weird thing is these pre recorded "interviews". They had Phil Kelly on live to talk about the Lumineth and Bonereapers when they dropped and it was so much more informative. This time we had Jes Bickman(ham?) tell us that broken realms is a series of books. The 40k one was a bit better but why not have these guys on the livestream?
Galas wrote: I don't like the Nundams but this one I actually do.
I don't know if its because of the spear, the pose, the robes giving it a better silhouette or just the colours, but it just rings different for me.
It’s the robes and colours. I already plan to convert my “regular” war suits with robes similar to the ones the High Lady is fitted with. Also, Martyred Lady is the most boring livery. Seriously, black on black? Even the black templars have those huge white shoulder pads to relive the abyssal emptiness.
Hollow wrote: People are ravenous these days, You give them something new which was hoped for years and years, took ages to develop and design, they show 1 picture of it and talk about it for 5 minutes and people scream "NEXT!" what the hell is wrong with people?
Well, generally the idea of previews is to show something new. Not something people have known about for weeks. People aren't ravenous, they were just expecting previews.
100% this. GW just has no ability to set expectations with the fans when it comes to these streams.
Well seeing dakkadakka is full of complain and whining if preview isn't at least 100 new kits per faction and new edition gw can't satisfy them.
Post preview dakkadakka whining is best part of previews. Keep it up! Whine! Whine! We want more whine!
It's been a long time since I have exalted one of your posts
It just shows it was stupid to use a whole week for all the reveals. They could have made a show just saturday and sunday and that would be more than enough.
How much of this week's reveals would have been shown at another event (e.g., AdeptiCon or NoVA) instead of this online Warhammer Fest?
Fergie0044 wrote: Disappointed that with orks almost certainly being on Friday, there will likely be no big surprises for 40k. We knew Sisters and Orks were coming, so thats that. I guess we can blame COVID for this.
I'm bemused by a lot of aspects of this, but one of them is wondering why GW didn't even hold the Ork stuff back. Instead they've already previewed several kits that could have made a big smash on Friday. It feels a bit like they've let their previous Saturday preview cannibalize this Warhammer Fest stuff.
If everything seen on the tapestry video is in the preview, it can easily be a gork-approved big smash. Painboss and new boyz are the least interesting things seen there.
I'm happy about the mace wielding version, much better than the the stick ones.
GW please, please no more stupid sororitas in power armour inside power armour....but highly unlikely.
Unless the Admech rules are for Mechanicum units I don't care.
This preview was completely pointless & wasted my time. Like others said I'm not gonna pay attention till Saturday afternoon and check out how "expansive" the new cool stuff is....ha
Okay, I don't play sisters but are them semi-augmented (like Marines-lite)? Because the standard bearer character looks huge compared to the priest character and I don't think it's entirely "because power armor" or base-detail shenanigans.
So... If you're a really good gun-nun, you now get to pilot a mech. As opposed to if you're a really naughty gun-nun, where you get to... pilot a mech...
How much of this week's reveals would have been shown at another event (e.g., AdeptiCon or NoVA) instead of this online Warhammer Fest?
Pretty much everything.
I mean, when you're at the point you've already shown the majority of new units in previous previews / warhammer community articles, there's no need to stretch that poor show so much to basically announce the V9 codex and 2 named characters we didn't see before.
Otherwise, the real funny part of the show was reading the comments of the Twitch viewers as it kept going on. I suggest you to watch the video again just for that, especially at the end.
KidCthulhu wrote: Okay, I don't play sisters but are them semi-augmented (like Marines-lite)? Because the standard bearer character looks huge compared to the priest character and I don't think it's entirely "because power armor" or base-detail shenanigans.
Spoiler:
Or is it just me?
Sisters wear high heels. The one on the right looks like she's wearing flats...
JSG wrote: Another weird thing is these pre recorded "interviews". They had Phil Kelly on live to talk about the Lumineth and Bonereapers when they dropped and it was so much more informative. This time we had Jes Bickman(ham?) tell us that broken realms is a series of books. The 40k one was a bit better but why not have these guys on the livestream?
I think a big part of it is timing related. Previews are usually at 1pm BST, which is a little bit easier to work around for someone when it's literally during their work hours while at home from work.
Honestly, the pre-recorded interview of Stu Black was interesting to listen to, giving a few more hints on how the new codex works and what the sisters will have as tools on the battlefield.
as it should be. There’s a good chance that the Boxed Games and the mystery reveal will steal the show especially if it turns out to be BFG or a new heresy version
KidCthulhu wrote: Okay, I don't play sisters but are them semi-augmented (like Marines-lite)? Because the standard bearer character looks huge compared to the priest character and I don't think it's entirely "because power armor" or base-detail shenanigans.
Spoiler:
Or is it just me?
I think its a combination of
1) Natural height variation
2) One is young and healthy and a warrior, thus muscled and fit. So the warrior likely has a straight back and all. The other appears aged and thus with the ravishes of age has likely shrunk a bit before you consider that her stance is a little stooped
3) Boots, one is wearing thick heavy armour boots the other is in smaller shoes.
When you add those three together you can get quite a dramatic height difference; but its well within the bounds of reality.
Sarouan wrote: Honestly, the pre-recorded interview of Stu Black was interesting to listen to, giving a few more hints on how the new codex works and what the sisters will have as tools on the battlefield.
Yeah, it was probably the most informative part of the show.
as it should be. There’s a good chance that the Boxed Games and the mystery reveal will steal the show especially if it turns out to be BFG or a new heresy version
Boxed games will be certainly more one-shot boardgames no one really cares about.
The mystery is mystery but well...I wouldn't be surprised if they just put a trailer of a logo or something.
Crispy78 wrote: So... If you're a really good gun-nun, you now get to pilot a mech. As opposed to if you're a really naughty gun-nun, where you get to... pilot a mech...
Yeah, but the naughty gun nun mech inflicts horrendous pain all the while
You are using it. Because that really gets the best results out of a front line combat unit...
I knew it was going to be either about Orks or SoB. I'm not dissappointed because I don't play SoB (or Orks, for that matter). I'm dissappointed simply because what was shown today had already been shown weeks ago.
At least the next 40K preview will probably show more minis for Orks because GW showed already a lot less. Hurray.
I don't know. I hoped that at least GW would show a short teaser (ala Be'lakor) of something completely different right at the end of this preview.
I’m disappointed that’s all there is.
But I will say, everyone is harking on like these are the previews we’ve had all year.
They’re more about the interviews (and talks that would come with in the physical fest), with a few smatterings of models.
I mean, I’m here just to see the goodies, but just saying it’s maybe more in line with Warhammer fest than the regular previews we’ve benn getting,
as it should be. There’s a good chance that the Boxed Games and the mystery reveal will steal the show especially if it turns out to be BFG or a new heresy version
Boxed games will be certainly more one-shot boardgames no one really cares about.
The mystery is mystery but well...I wouldn't be surprised if they just put a trailer of a logo or something.
We already know Boxed Games is Necromunda and Underworlds. Maybe we will get one or two of the other games too.
A single thing for BB or AT/AI or whatever..
Pickled_egg wrote: Open question to Games Workshop.
Are 90% of your miniature designers working on Age of Sigmar?
Age of Sigmar yesterday got; 4 fantastic vampire lords on amazing looking vignettes, new dire wolves, vampire hunters, new Sylvaneth model, an amazing god of destruction. All this hot on the heels of the new Slannesh models, Lord Kroak and tons more besides.
What did the 40k players get in comparison?
A gouge book that you need to buy for £40 for 3 pages of rules.
And 2 Sisters of battle models, everything else we have seen months ago.
What really rubs salt into the wound is we are getting campaign books when half the factions don't even have a codex yet, why?
Drukhari got zero new models.
About time you started giving the 40k player base something new.
I already know that Fridays "big reveals" is going to be the beastsnagga kits they already revealed on warhammer community articles.
If you've got nothing to show, don't hype it up, you only shoot yourself in the foot.
I don't think it's necessarily 90% of the miniature designers, I just think all of the good one ones get sent over there. I'm not sure if that's a desire thing, as AoS tends to give designers a lot more freedom in what kind of things they can make (giant monster has a lot more range than giant tank), or just because GW is trying to grow AoS or what, but it really shows. I haven't been inspired by a 40k model in years, but I feel AoS has pretty reliably turning out fantastic things left and right.
All they had to do to make this a worthy preview in itself was to detail the road map of the next 6 codex's after AdMech, no need for dates etc, just detail what they are and in what order, give people an inkling of when they will get their codex.
The saving grace on Friday maybe guard though, plastic guard are coming at some point, it could be right at the end of the ork stuff.
Crispy78 wrote: So... If you're a really good gun-nun, you now get to pilot a mech. As opposed to if you're a really naughty gun-nun, where you get to... pilot a mech...
Pickled_egg wrote: Open question to Games Workshop.
Are 90% of your miniature designers working on Age of Sigmar?
Age of Sigmar yesterday got; 4 fantastic vampire lords on amazing looking vignettes, new dire wolves, vampire hunters, new Sylvaneth model, an amazing god of destruction. All this hot on the heels of the new Slannesh models, Lord Kroak and tons more besides.
What did the 40k players get in comparison?
A gouge book that you need to buy for £40 for 3 pages of rules.
And 2 Sisters of battle models, everything else we have seen months ago.
What really rubs salt into the wound is we are getting campaign books when half the factions don't even have a codex yet, why?
Drukhari got zero new models.
About time you started giving the 40k player base something new.
I already know that Fridays "big reveals" is going to be the beastsnagga kits they already revealed on warhammer community articles.
If you've got nothing to show, don't hype it up, you only shoot yourself in the foot.
I don't think it's necessarily 90% of the miniature designers, I just think all of the good one ones get sent over there. I'm not sure if that's a desire thing, as AoS tends to give designers a lot more freedom in what kind of things they can make (giant monster has a lot more range than giant tank), or just because GW is trying to grow AoS or what, but it really shows. I haven't been inspired by a 40k model in years, but I feel AoS has pretty reliably turning out fantastic things left and right.
One of the french designer (the one who designed Mortarion for 40K) already said the designers are working for both AoS and 40K. Every single one of them.
I suspect it has more to do with the will of GW to develop AoS since they killed Battle. They can create whatever the hell they want because AoS universe is in its infancy (on top of being sorta "high fantasy") while 40K has an already heavily established universe AND design for every faction.
Also, 40K almost prints money on its own. That helps too.
Danny76 wrote: Weren’t the shield sisters also new?
Everyone keeps saying just two models, did I miss those..?
The celestian sacresancts were already revealed in a previous Warhammer Community article. They just showed the variant with halberds, but the article said they could be equiped with maces too. Now we saw them equiped with maces, but that doesn't make them really new.
Not Online!!! wrote: excactly how long is he intending to ramble on on what we allready know?
You do know right forum users aren't target group? The majority who don't folllw forums and leaks are.
And if we were dealing with stuff that was leaked, you might have a point - but in terms of the SoB content, only two new models (and the alt-build for a unit) were shown that hasn't already been shown by GW themselves...
The campaign book and scenery box are undubitably news, however = might pick up that box, depending on the price.
Agamemnon2 wrote: Well this was a really poor use of my time. And on my birthday, to boot.
Well, happy birthday - and I hope the rest of the day was more to your liking.
Dendarien wrote: 100% this. GW just has no ability to set expectations with the fans when it comes to these streams.
I think you've hit the nail on the head here - they're getting a bit better, by (mostly) clearly signalling in advance which games are getting covered now, but not so much the scope of them.
Yesterday's AOS one showed off a reasonable number of new models, even if only for one army book (and a campaign book), while this one only showed two new models - despite the tagline for Friday's 40K preview being "Seriously, we have a lot". That now rings less true because of how much of their already-previewed content they've shown today.
Weds, Thurs & Sat may be worthy of their streams, though that might be because I'm less clear on how much we already know about upcoming Black Library and Boxed Games releases, but there we go.
On the upside? No new SM models previewed today - that's got to make someone on Dakka happy, right?
tneva82 wrote: Well seeing dakkadakka is full of complain and whining if preview isn't at least 100 new kits per faction and new edition gw can't satisfy them.
Post preview dakkadakka whining is best part of previews. Keep it up! Whine! Whine! We want more whine!
Dude, when you're hyping the week up as a big event - and claiming you have "a lot" of stuff to show for one system, so you need two shows for it - a negative reaction to only seeing two new things for a faction (plus a book) is not unreasonable.
Kanluwen wrote: I'm disappointed there wasn't any discussion of the Mechanicus. The previews we've gotten have been absolute crap, focused on basically just weapon changes. I don't need to know the weapon rules, I want to know how the damn Marshal works. I want to know how Canticles are going to function.
We'd normally see that once the pre-pre-order article is released, wouldn't we? If Sunday confirms that, then we'll see that sort of content next week.
Unlike the Death Guard, it seems they've remembered to hold back WHC content to fit with the pre-order schedule this time.
They got one - a resculpt in a new material still counts.
endlesswaltz123 wrote: All they had to do to make this a worthy preview in itself was to detail the road map of the next 6 codex's after AdMech, no need for dates etc, just detail what they are and in what order, give people an inkling of when they will get their codex.
You're not wrong - they could've probably mentioned the pre-order date for AdMech without too much of an issue, then confirmed the next three without an issue (SoB, Orks, ???), even if they didn't confirm the release months.
Maybe we'll see that on Friday.
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I will say I'm glad I'm just hopping on WHC to read the article for these - don't think I want to deal with Twitch chat for long enough to watch these live
Kid_Kyoto wrote: You'd think a High Lord would know to wear her damn helmet in battle.
She has a helmet option.
Typical toxic complainer. Doesn't even know what they are complaining about.
There's only one person in that quote chain being toxic, Hollow, and the Kid ain't it.
Still, she brought her helmet with her. The Kid just stopped at the first pictures and didn't bother to look at the options of the kit showed in the video.
Not really toxic material, but definitely someone who didn't try to look further before complaining.
Danny76 wrote: Weren’t the shield sisters also new?
Everyone keeps saying just two models, did I miss those..?
The celestian sacresancts were already revealed in a previous Warhammer Community article. They just showed the variant with halberds, but the article said they could be equiped with maces too. Now we saw them equiped with maces, but that doesn't make them really new.
They only showed one before as well, not the whole unit.
So they had too much 40k that it needed 2 days to cover it all. Then they start off by casually recap the AoS day for a while. Then when they have nothing much more to say they are still "ahead of schedule" and go on with a video to get things rolling. And they take time to recap all the Sisters stuff we've already seen and talk about them.
I remember seeing the tank on screen before falling asleep. Reading comments it seems I missed the terrain box (of not-new models) and that's it?
Color me disappointing. I would have expected some of the rumor engine stuff showing up. At least there's another day to wish some something actually new.
Skywave wrote: So they had too much 40k that it needed 2 days to cover it all. Then they start off by casually recap the AoS day for a while. Then when they have nothing much more to say they are still "ahead of schedule" and go on with a video to get things rolling. And they take time to recap all the Sisters stuff we've already seen and talk about them.
I remember seeing the tank on screen before falling asleep. Reading comments it seems I missed the terrain box (of not-new models) and that's it?
Color me disappointing. I would have expected some of the rumor engine stuff showing up. At least there's another day to wish some something actually new.
Even in the AoS stream they were showing off models we'd seen two-three weeks ago.
Even in the AoS stream they were showing off models we'd seen two-three weeks ago.
Plus several things we'd never seen before at all. Here all we got was the special nundam suit character, the priest, and a different build of the celestian shieldbearers.
Thanks to everyone for the respectful explanations about the height difference. I only had that one photo to go by. I couldn't really tell the posture difference (it just looked like Sister Standard had a loooong torso).
KidCthulhu wrote: Thanks to everyone for the respectful explanations about the height difference. I only had that one photo to go by. I couldn't really tell the posture difference (it just looked like Sister Standard had a loooong torso).
Well, they did say they were expanding the sisters.
You must be an absolute pleasure to know in person. I don't think I've ever seen a non-negative post from you here on Dakka. Are you one of those people that absolutely hates the hobby but can't stay away from discussions about said hobby?
I mean is there anything about GW to be positive about?
Why do you come and post about a game that clearly makes you miserable? There are many other fine hobbies out in the world, probably a lot of them that won't make you sad.
Even in the AoS stream they were showing off models we'd seen two-three weeks ago.
Plus several things we'd never seen before at all. Here all we got was the special nundam suit character, the priest, and a different build of the celestian shieldbearers.
First time we actually saw a whole unit of the shieldbearers, a Lord of fricking Terra, and a Priest.
Kragnos has been teased for quite some time now. Radukar from yesterday was basically guaranteed if you'd paid attention to some hints that were being dropped. Dire Wolves were a "duh" thing that basically anyone following availability knew in advance(they've been unable to be ordered for months, not "out of stock"--plain unavailable, which is what in normal years happens when a kit is either being redone or axed). Wolf-rider got namedropped before. The Mother of Nightmares was spoiled in the WD preview on Friday.
So yeah, I'm sorry today was not just full of hundreds of new models. But guess what? It never was going to be. We were going to see repeats of stuff in all likelihood, because that's what happens as we get closer to a release in the current method of previews.
Kanluwen wrote: I'm disappointed there wasn't any discussion of the Mechanicus. The previews we've gotten have been absolute crap, focused on basically just weapon changes. I don't need to know the weapon rules, I want to know how the damn Marshal works. I want to know how Canticles are going to function.
We'd normally see that once the pre-pre-order article is released, wouldn't we? If Sunday confirms that, then we'll see that sort of content next week.
Unlike the Death Guard, it seems they've remembered to hold back WHC content to fit with the pre-order schedule this time.
Nah. We saw previews of the character/scenery piece a bit in advance if I remember right. In any regards, remember that we got info about some stuff already for AdMech...but it really was just too technical of info to be anything aside from "look, we're changing some things!". It's the kind of info that usually is better served for preview shows where they talk about changes to the codices rather than full articles.
endlesswaltz123 wrote: All they had to do to make this a worthy preview in itself was to detail the road map of the next 6 codex's after AdMech, no need for dates etc, just detail what they are and in what order, give people an inkling of when they will get their codex.
You're not wrong - they could've probably mentioned the pre-order date for AdMech without too much of an issue, then confirmed the next three without an issue (SoB, Orks, ???), even if they didn't confirm the release months.
That's not what people want though. They want solid info. We "knew" April for AdMech but things blew up and things happened, and we're still waiting on the book and the one token Skitarii character that should have been released forever ago.
Maybe we'll see that on Friday.
I hope they don't waste time giving schedules. The previews are light enough as is.
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I will say I'm glad I'm just hopping on WHC to read the article for these - don't think I want to deal with Twitch chat for long enough to watch these live
Just turn on Theater mode and you don't have to see the chat.
You must be an absolute pleasure to know in person. I don't think I've ever seen a non-negative post from you here on Dakka. Are you one of those people that absolutely hates the hobby but can't stay away from discussions about said hobby?
I mean is there anything about GW to be positive about?
Why do you come and post about a game that clearly makes you miserable? There are many other fine hobbies out in the world, probably a lot of them that won't make you sad.
I mean, you might as well ask why someone would return to a forum a fortnight after they complained about the moderation policy and said they'd not be back...
You must be an absolute pleasure to know in person. I don't think I've ever seen a non-negative post from you here on Dakka. Are you one of those people that absolutely hates the hobby but can't stay away from discussions about said hobby?
I mean is there anything about GW to be positive about?
Why do you come and post about a game that clearly makes you miserable? There are many other fine hobbies out in the world, probably a lot of them that won't make you sad.
I mean, you might as well ask why someone would return to a forum a fortnight after they complained about the moderation policy and said they'd not be back...
Because I like to watch some of the people here cry and think they're the only people in the entire hobby whose opinions matter.
There is my answer to your question. Now, answer my original one. Why come and cry about these game and be clearly miserable about it? There are many posters in this thread who clearly want nothing to do with the hobby, yet post extremely often to cry about it.
Kanluwen wrote: I'm disappointed there wasn't any discussion of the Mechanicus. The previews we've gotten have been absolute crap, focused on basically just weapon changes. I don't need to know the weapon rules, I want to know how the damn Marshal works. I want to know how Canticles are going to function.
We'd normally see that once the pre-pre-order article is released, wouldn't we? If Sunday confirms that, then we'll see that sort of content next week.
Unlike the Death Guard, it seems they've remembered to hold back WHC content to fit with the pre-order schedule this time.
Nah. We saw previews of the character/scenery piece a bit in advance if I remember right. In any regards, remember that we got info about some stuff already for AdMech...but it really was just too technical of info to be anything aside from "look, we're changing some things!". It's the kind of info that usually is better served for preview shows where they talk about changes to the codices rather than full articles.
As far as I recall, all we've seen from the AdMech release is an article on weapon profile changes, which is probably due to reboxes with updated assembly instruction profiles making it into the wild. The character has been shown in another preview, but I don't think we've heard anything about what he does - might be wrong there, though.
endlesswaltz123 wrote: All they had to do to make this a worthy preview in itself was to detail the road map of the next 6 codex's after AdMech, no need for dates etc, just detail what they are and in what order, give people an inkling of when they will get their codex.
You're not wrong - they could've probably mentioned the pre-order date for AdMech without too much of an issue, then confirmed the next three without an issue (SoB, Orks, ???), even if they didn't confirm the release months.
That's not what people want though. They want solid info. We "knew" April for AdMech but things blew up and things happened, and we're still waiting on the book and the one token Skitarii character that should have been released forever ago.
People may want solid info, but given that it sounds like things are a bit unsettled at GW, there's a limit on what they can (or will) provide. Confirming the release order for books we're reasonably sure (or actually know) are coming (AdMech, SoB) and possibly how another sub-faction is being released (Beastsnaggas - not sure if it is a new Ork 'dex or not at this point), along with maybe the faction after that would be good info, even if they didn't say the month for anything other than AdMech.
Maybe we'll see that on Friday.
I hope they don't waste time giving schedules. The previews are light enough as is.
I was thinking five minutes, tops - "And here are the next few books you've got to look forwards to" - with the first one we're not expecting as a sting in the tail of the preview.
Even better if it is a faction that needs some support, and even betterer if it came with a model tease.
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I will say I'm glad I'm just hopping on WHC to read the article for these - don't think I want to deal with Twitch chat for long enough to watch these live
Just turn on Theater mode and you don't have to see the chat.
Theater mode is an option, true, but in most decent streams chat adds to the experience, rather than detracting to it. I think I favour the more concise form of the article, too.
You must be an absolute pleasure to know in person. I don't think I've ever seen a non-negative post from you here on Dakka. Are you one of those people that absolutely hates the hobby but can't stay away from discussions about said hobby?
I mean is there anything about GW to be positive about?
Why do you come and post about a game that clearly makes you miserable? There are many other fine hobbies out in the world, probably a lot of them that won't make you sad.
I mean, you might as well ask why someone would return to a forum a fortnight after they complained about the moderation policy and said they'd not be back...
Because I like to watch some of the people here cry and think they're the only people in the entire hobby whose opinions matter.
There is my answer to your question. Now, answer my original one. Why come and cry about these game and be clearly miserable about it? There are many posters in this thread who clearly want nothing to do with the hobby, yet post extremely often to cry about it.
Yada yadda ad eternum, who cares about that! This topic is about GW and Warhammer fest online reveals.
Humm I wonder if that tyranid ( and if someone says again genestealers are not tyranids I will send a few your way to French kiss you) is going to be a boxed game release...
The only change I would make to the sisters battle suits is change the sisters arms to hold holy relics or a banner instead of controlling the suit. The Idea of a warsuit sister calmly praying in the mids carnage sounds awesome.
As far as I recall, all we've seen from the AdMech release is an article on weapon profile changes, which is probably due to reboxes with updated assembly instruction profiles making it into the wild. The character has been shown in another preview, but I don't think we've heard anything about what he does - might be wrong there, though.
The character has been in two different previews, being teased out first in one and then revealed in another. The weapon profile changes article is the kind of thing we would get during the week-long runup to a release. We also got the "famous Techpriests and a Monkey" thing. We know more about Kragnos' stats and rules than we do the Marshal, who literally just got revealed and named and then...nothing. We don't even know if he's a fricking HQ.
That whole reveal of the AdMech book was basically a joke anyways. We saw the book and the Marshal and then...basically nothing else. No mention of how things might be changing, no mention of what the Marshal does, etc. We have more detail on Kragnos and the Sisters stuff than we do a book possibly going up for order in 2 weeks.
SamusDrake wrote: Okay, today was disappointing for most and there is not much else to say on the matter. Certainly not enough to be upset with each other...
Tomorrow is Black Library, so for now lets have some thoughts about that instead.
Colour versions of Darkblade collected in a hardcover format hopefully
Teehee... I like how the middle nunbot pilot has a bare head and an eyepatch. Wouldn’t it be good if there was something she could have worn that would protect her head from the dangers of the battlefield (and yes I am being facetious)
Really not sure about the SoB warsuit models. Just seems off brand. GW are going too hard on the space marines but girls angle for me and not quite enough religious zealots with institutional resources.
Cynista wrote: Really not sure about the SoB warsuit models. Just seems off brand. GW are going too hard on the space marines but girls angle for me and not quite enough religious zealots with institutional resources.
I'm really on the fence as well. Some of the motion shots from the reveal were a bit more flattering. It's possible the painting style is making them appear cleaner/higher tech than they need to be.
With so little to show, they could at least have previewed the full squad of halberd-wielding sisters too. Curious to see how the various poses work out with those.
Yet more named characters in plastic (while other options remain metal/resin), meh. Hoping for a move away from focussing on named characters feels increasingly futile.
Certainly hope the next previews will have more content, or they should indeed have simply condensed it all into a single 2-hour stream rather than spread over an entire week.
Cynista wrote: Really not sure about the SoB warsuit models. Just seems off brand. GW are going too hard on the space marines but girls angle for me and not quite enough religious zealots with institutional resources.
I'm really on the fence as well. Some of the motion shots from the reveal were a bit more flattering. It's possible the painting style is making them appear cleaner/higher tech than they need to be.
I've said in a few threads now that they seem to clean and almost viable to be a proper sisters unit... A sisters unit should be partially absolutely batS***T and very grimdark. Bigger penitent engines, or dual pilot engines, they shouldn't have a space marine predator either, that should be a massive cannon pushed along by penitents etc, basically medieval siege weapons, bristled with heavy bolters, flamers and meltas.
Cynista wrote: Really not sure about the SoB warsuit models. Just seems off brand. GW are going too hard on the space marines but girls angle for me and not quite enough religious zealots with institutional resources.
I'm really on the fence as well. Some of the motion shots from the reveal were a bit more flattering. It's possible the painting style is making them appear cleaner/higher tech than they need to be.
I've said in a few threads now that they seem to clean and almost viable to be a proper sisters unit... A sisters unit should be partially absolutely batS***T and very grimdark. Bigger penitent engines, or dual pilot engines, they shouldn't have a space marine predator either, that should be a massive cannon pushed along by penitents etc, basically medieval siege weapons, bristled with heavy bolters, flamers and meltas.
Give this man a job at GW!
I think the Sisters stuff works because its repurposed marine stuff, but yeah a huge siege cannon for FW with penitents dragging it along yes that's grim dark sister of battle! (or Chaos Cultists)
Cynista wrote: Really not sure about the SoB warsuit models. Just seems off brand. GW are going too hard on the space marines but girls angle for me and not quite enough religious zealots with institutional resources.
I think a designer just really has a hard-on for baby carriages. It didn't work for the Nemesis Dreadknights and was openly ridiculed by most, yet they tried it again and the SoB ones are not quite as terrible, mostly because the legs, but still bad.
It just looks stupid to strap a person to the front of a mech without an armoured cockpit.
I've said in a few threads now that they seem to clean and almost viable to be a proper sisters unit... A sisters unit should be partially absolutely batS***T and very grimdark. Bigger penitent engines, or dual pilot engines, they shouldn't have a space marine predator either, that should be a massive cannon pushed along by penitents etc, basically medieval siege weapons, bristled with heavy bolters, flamers and meltas.
So I don't particularly mind the aesthetic of the new sister stuff, I'm even warming up to the exosuits, though I would definitely try to uparmor the pilots if I ever get one.
My main issue is I kind of dislike the need for making everything a special named character. Far, far more interesting to have them be generic characters, and I hope they all have generic builds. It just becomes such a yawnfest when every army is always led by this same big name character, regardless of what part of the galaxy the battle is in. On that note I hope they make a generic option for Junith's hover pulpit in the new codex.
Bonus points when one is a High Lord of Terra, which now makes it what, 2 of the highest ranking members of the Imperium running around punching people instead of actually managing a galaxy spanning empire? I guess so long as the rest of the High Lords are actually doing their jobs instead of going on the glory hunt...or I suppose if Vahl spends the majority of her time actually doing the paperwork. At the moment though it seems like she is the sort of boss who decides to toss the actual work of their job onto their assistant and then go out and have fun. Hopefully she ends up well written, or at least better written than that.
Cynista wrote: Really not sure about the SoB warsuit models. Just seems off brand. GW are going too hard on the space marines but girls angle for me and not quite enough religious zealots with institutional resources.
I think a designer just really has a hard-on for baby carriages. It didn't work for the Nemesis Dreadknights and was openly ridiculed by most, yet they tried it again and the SoB ones are not quite as terrible, mostly because the legs, but still bad.
It just looks stupid to strap a person to the front of a mech without an armoured cockpit.
It's actually their third try, they did it with the Invictor suits too. It's obviously someone's go-to for a new power armor unit.
Bonus points when one is a High Lord of Terra, which now makes it what, 2 of the highest ranking members of the Imperium running around punching people instead of actually managing a galaxy spanning empire? I guess so long as the rest of the High Lords are actually doing their jobs instead of going on the glory hunt...
Part of what makes the Imperium such a nightmare is that the Lords of Terra don't do ANYTHING useful (for anyone but the Lords of Terra).
I think it's a futile effort to get mad about turning the High Lords of Terra into the Avengers. GW clearly is taking a lot of inspiration from super hero stuff recently, and there is very little chance that GW IPs aren't going to become more and more about super heroes punching other super heroes.
Cynista wrote: Really not sure about the SoB warsuit models. Just seems off brand. GW are going too hard on the space marines but girls angle for me and not quite enough religious zealots with institutional resources.
I think a designer just really has a hard-on for baby carriages. It didn't work for the Nemesis Dreadknights and was openly ridiculed by most, yet they tried it again and the SoB ones are not quite as terrible, mostly because the legs, but still bad.
It just looks stupid to strap a person to the front of a mech without an armoured cockpit.
See taken in a vacuum I think the models are OK. They'd be pretty decent Ad Mech units to be quite honest, Skitarii Warsuits? They basically look like a cross between an Armiger and a Terminator anyway. They just don't look like a SoB unit to me. Not grimdark enough, too high tech
GW do this a lot these days to be honest. Some models just don't fit in at all with their ranges - this is exactly how I feel about a few of the new Necron scultps, whereas others are superb.
So...
day 1 was mostly special characters for the vampire release we already knew about. Bonus in nice dire wolves
day 2... mostly special characters for the Sisters release we've already seen. Huzzah for an unnecessary LoW and a random named character _scribe_, I guess.
Gosh, I'm overwhelmed by the depth of these previews.
I'm thoroughly excited [#sarcasm] for the ork preview day, and still don't expect much beyond a BB team or two for 'boxed games' day. They're quite living down to my expectations so far.
Boxed Games Day - pre-packaged special event? - is the interesting one, at present.
Idoneth for WHU seems reasonable - either one as a tease, or the whole team.
Some info regarding the Delaque book (and second box) also seems reasonable, though probably lighter on info.
Something for BB seems right, be it a new team, new Star Players, etc. Not sure which team I'd want them to do next, though.
Given we've just had the Warmaster, I'm not sure I'm expecting much for AT, outside maybe a preview of Chaos Legios. Not sure if we'll see a new Titan/Knight drop with that, but we might see another weapon sprue for one of the chassis.
I have no idea what's going on for AI - aren't there a couple of releases that need to be released already? Maybe they'll say what's going on there.
Magic 8-Ball hasn't given me any hints regarding Warcry or Kill Team.
Only thing I think is likely is that they will not mention Cursed City at all...
Only thing I think is likely is that they will not mention Cursed City at all...
It depends. If Saturday's 'surprise' involves a lot of non-model components, they really need to reassure people that they'll actually be able to buy whatever it is.
They should probably do that anyway (and be both sincere and convincing), but Cursed City is going to cast a long shadow over the bigger boxed sets.
Cynista wrote: Really not sure about the SoB warsuit models. Just seems off brand. GW are going too hard on the space marines but girls angle for me and not quite enough religious zealots with institutional resources.
And this, more than anything folks, is why I'm not at all disappointed with these reveals, because I knew going in what they were going to be (and, more importantly, what they were not going to be). Only Saturday (and perhaps Thursday*) hold any real mystery. Everything else** was going to be expansions and confirmations on stuff we mostly know about. Expecting more than that was just setting yourselves up for failure.
*And only then because GW makes so many boxed games that we don't know which ones they've chosen for this reveal, although I suspect Delaque + Underworlds Fish Elves will probably be it.
**Not counting the BL day, because, really, who does?
Olthannon wrote: Wow that really was it eh, half an hour. I was kind of thinking that would go on for longer.
I've been saying as much since they announced it: This won't be anything that's really new - the odd thing here and there - but more the official confirmation of things they've already teased, or things that are obvious (ie. Charadon 2: Be'lakor Boogaloo).
Or, to put it another way:
"Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen!" - Emperor Palpatine.
That said, I suspect we'll see more new things (READ: confirmations of things we saw in the teaser) for the Orks on Friday.
It shouldn't surprise either of you that I own everything in that box multiple - sometimes dozens - of times over.
What is nice is that it has the Thermic Plasma Conduits. Thought they would be gone for good after Dark Uprisings dark demise.
SamusDrake wrote: Nothing against the Charadron book and scenery pack but they weren't much to get excited about.
I have to laugh at the "Our last reveal is a new scenery pack!". Your last reveal is a bitzy collection of repackaged scenery that's been available for sale for years already.
Such revelations. Much new. Wow!
Dysartes wrote: Only thing I think is likely is that they will not mention Cursed City at all...
One interesting theory I heard yesterday is that some of the Vamp reveals yesterday were actually scrapped Cursed City expansions. It's supposition of course, but they put out a "full range" picture of the new Vamp stuff, and some of the new things are not in that shot at all (specifically Final Form Radakur and Lady Wolfenwolf), making some think that they were intended for a different release.
The repackaged scenery would only be worth excitement if it's got a built in discount. Like a whole component of the set is basically free. But lets be honest, that's not going to be the case. It's going to be another expensive set, not a good deal. GW doesn't really do 'good deals'.
I really like the sisters warsuits. I especially like that they actually have armour plating that goes over the SoB, rather than the horror of the Dreadknight.
But the model in this preview I really like has already been released - that running Palatine with a plasma pistol is just a wonderfully dynamic model.
Anyway, I wanted to get that omnibus post out of the way before posting what I thought of the "preview":
1. Thigh-Lord of Terra I really like the mini. I question the intelligence of one of your high-leaders marching into war like that, but at least the suit is cool.
Would've preferred a Nundam HQ that wasn't a special character (or at least the option to make one from this kit), but GW seem to have a real hard-on for more and more special character models at the moment (look at the Vamp release).
2. Banner Bearer and Priestess Got real excited when I saw the "Priest" in the preview video but, no, yet another special character. And not exactly a Priest either. Just a hanger-on record keeper for Banner Lady.
I really want the Priestess model. I really don't want Banner Lady.
3. Dogmata We already knew about that. Does GW understand what a preview is?
4. Palatine We already knew about that. Worse, that model actually came out already (albeit in a limited battle box). Does GW understand what a preview is?
5. Celestian Sacresants Again, not something new, but nice to see the alternative weapon option. I would have preferred swords, given that the Sister at the front of the Triumph looks so cool, but even so, weird faces aside this unit is cool.
6. Paragon Warsuits We already knew about these. Does GW understand what a preview is?
I still like 'em. Everything the Baby Carrier DK should've been (and, at one point, was going to be).
7. Castigator (aka Leman Predator) We already knew about this. Does GW understand what a preview is?
GW wanted to add new things to the Sisters for the first time, rather than just remaking things that already existed (or off-shoots of those things). So they gave them a Predator with a Battlecannon. Such originality.
8. War Zone Charadon 2: Be'lakor Boogaloo Well that puts a damper on my theory about a Daemons Codex being announced.
Nice to see even more Day-1 DLC (and even Pre-Order DLC for the AdMech) coming. I hope the Limited Edition version of this remains on shelves forever (like it has for the first book! ).
9. Battlezone: Mechanicus – Charadon Aiight I guess. Like I said in my post above, it's a bitzy collection of repackaged scenery that's been available for sale for years already. Nothing new at all. Probably way overpriced. I do like the board it comes with though...
But yeah, nothing all that new here. Anyone who expected otherwise was kidding themselves.
Pickled_egg wrote: Open question to Games Workshop.
Are 90% of your miniature designers working on Age of Sigmar?
Age of Sigmar yesterday got; 4 fantastic vampire lords on amazing looking vignettes, new dire wolves, vampire hunters, new Sylvaneth model, an amazing god of destruction. All this hot on the heels of the new Slannesh models, Lord Kroak and tons more besides.
What did the 40k players get in comparison?
A gouge book that you need to buy for £40 for 3 pages of rules.
And 2 Sisters of battle models, everything else we have seen months ago.
What really rubs salt into the wound is we are getting campaign books when half the factions don't even have a codex yet, why?
Drukhari got zero new models.
About time you started giving the 40k player base something new.
I already know that Fridays "big reveals" is going to be the beastsnagga kits they already revealed on warhammer community articles.
If you've got nothing to show, don't hype it up, you only shoot yourself in the foot.
I don't think it's necessarily 90% of the miniature designers, I just think all of the good one ones get sent over there. I'm not sure if that's a desire thing, as AoS tends to give designers a lot more freedom in what kind of things they can make (giant monster has a lot more range than giant tank), or just because GW is trying to grow AoS or what, but it really shows. I haven't been inspired by a 40k model in years, but I feel AoS has pretty reliably turning out fantastic things left and right.
One of the french designer (the one who designed Mortarion for 40K) already said the designers are working for both AoS and 40K. Every single one of them.
I suspect it has more to do with the will of GW to develop AoS since they killed Battle. They can create whatever the hell they want because AoS universe is in its infancy (on top of being sorta "high fantasy") while 40K has an already heavily established universe AND design for every faction.
Also, 40K almost prints money on its own. That helps too.
I wasn’t aware of this. I’m guess you are probably on the money in that AoS gives the designers a lot more freedom than 40k. That and putting something in 40k box means it will sell regardless of the sculpt (which is probably why some of the 40k stuff looks pretty low effort compared to the AoS stuff).
H.B.M.C. wrote: One interesting theory I heard yesterday is that some of the Vamp reveals yesterday were actually scrapped Cursed City expansions. It's supposition of course, but they put out a "full range" picture of the new Vamp stuff, and some of the new things are not in that shot at all (specifically Final Form Radakur and Lady Wolfenwolf), making some think that they were intended for a different release.
That would also explain why the vampires all have Cursed City style icons. Radukar and Granny Wolf get a pass, since they've got a shared lineage. But the Rat guy is also rocking a similar symbol (and even came from the Cursed City), plus the other vampire with a long dress has the symbol too.
Honestly, I'm surprised Radukar isn't an expansion, because I definitely figured we'd get him as a werewolf eventually. It'll be weird if we don't get "normal" Radukar too, since there's got to be a reason he is on a separate sprue. They did the same thing with the Big Bad of BSF.
Wonder if Kritza will come with rats. His warcom article described him as: In addition to being accompanied by his ‘vermintide’ of rats – both living and undead – Kritza can transform into a swarm of rodents to evade his foe.
Cursed City had a few Corpse rat swarms, but we haven't seen them get models for soulblights yet. I'll be disappointed if his "rat swarm" ability is just him being able to escape combat and the vermintide that accompanys him is only fluff.
Regarding the cursed city expansions, I doubt the rumour is true. The soulblight book was sent to the printers months ago, and there’s every indication that whatever problems happend with cursed city, happened recently. This seems pretty clear from the sudden change In messaging.
The more likely scenerario is that cursed city was intended to be released several months ago as an introduction to the Soulblight range and to the bloodlines that feature in the book.
The bases on the new characters are also rather large for a board game, the aesthetics of the bases and the rim colour don’t match the cursed city ones.
I really hope they say something about cursed city on Thursday if only to put an end to the constant conspiracy theories.
Regarding the reveals overall I am both happy with the models we’ve seen so far and disappointed with the format.
Today’s show confirmed my fears about warhammer fest which is that they don’t have much to show. In a usual preview they would show about 5 things. We have had 2 days of reveals but have only seen 4 things so far.
They also promised interviews but with just one prerecorded soundbite each day that aspect is rather lackluster. I want to hear from the designers the background writers and the artists.
I would love to see an interview with the artists who did the awesome covers of the sisters and Soulblight books.
Overall I think it would have been better to do 2 longer shows on Saturday and Sunday.
Okay, so hear me out. All the baby carrier stuff could be improved by snipping the limbs off the baby. (Oh Gork please don't take that sentence outta context) So they're essentially the wounded warriors given an exosuit to continue fighting ala the dreadnaughts.
cody.d. wrote: Okay, so hear me out. All the baby carrier stuff could be improved by snipping the limbs off the baby. (Oh Gork please don't take that sentence outta context) So they're essentially the wounded warriors given an exosuit to continue fighting ala the dreadnaughts.
Well, that seems to be intentional. They're purposefully not dreadnoughts. No verge-of-death pilots, veteran space marines with too much battle-wisdom to be allowed to die mercifully.
The problem really isn't the concept of the warsuits, but the execution. Part of it is obviously an attempt to distinguish them from dreads (and tau battlesuits); but the sticking point is the model- an exposed pilot with a weird leg join. Mumble Veil in the Purge Mirabelle (or whatever that string of absolute nonsense is supposed to be) looks much better than the basic warsuits simply because they hid the hip/leg assembly.
It still doesn't quite stack up to the engineering of the war walker (though this is obviously a more detailed model), simply because the walker shows all the joints, but gives the pilot some physical cover and also goes 'yeah, force field, suckers.' Even the Sentinel is a more practical design.
The main problem is that they already had a super flavorful and unique war walker unit (actually two!). There was no reason they needed another, blander, more boring one.
Just like SoB already had a banner carrying buff special character, so why did they need a new one?
Just like SoB already had an inspiring leader (and obvious Joan-of-Arc character) that also serves as a buff character, so why did they need yet another one?
Etc etc. Really the tanky melee sisters are the only thing in this release that feel like they aren't just a retread of something Sisters already have.
Isn't that something of a risk all 40K armies face? After enough time there's not that much in the way of new designs to implement. The primaris marines could very much be viewed as retreads of existing stuff rather than new designs. I think the only thing they have that's truly unique would be the firestrike turret thing. Most of the rest is just, oldmarines but made bigger and tougher.
I think there's plenty of cool, weird, gothic grimdark stuff they could have added to sisters.
Instead they largely went bland Tacticool + a bunch more unnecessary buff characters in an army already overflowing with them.
For example, just off the top of my head, instead of a tacticool Predator clone, why not an armored pulpit on wheels with a preacher on top who calls down the Emperor's wrath on the enemy, then blasts them to kingdom come with holy hand grenade launchers?
They already had an alternative to the tacticool warsuits, so I would have used those resources to do something else cool and gothic - maybe bikes ridden by Hell's Angels inspired biker gangs, except that their tattoos and iconography are of the Emperor and the Imperial Eagle instead. Call them Brides of the Emperor or something like that. Fiercely devoted to the Emperor and the Imperial cause, unorthodox in their methods and therefore distrusted by the powers that be, but grudgingly tolerated because of their usefulness and because their parallel hierarchy based on sisterhood and loyalty to the other members of the gang makes them a good place to put Sisters who don't respond well to the normal discipline system.
This is just me tossing random ideas at a wall, I'm sure professionals with time on their hands could come up with cooler stuff along the same lines.
yukishiro1 wrote: I think there's plenty of cool, weird, gothic grimdark stuff they could have added to sisters.
Instead they largely went bland Tacticool + a bunch more unnecessary buff characters in an army already overflowing with them.
For example, just off the top of my head, instead of a tacticool Predator clone, why not an armored pulpit on wheels with a preacher on top who calls down the Emperor's wrath on the enemy, then blasts them to kingdom come with holy hand grenade launchers?
They already had an alternative to the tacticool warsuits, so I would have used those resources to do something else cool and gothic - maybe bikes ridden by Hell's Angels inspired biker gangs, except that their tattoos and iconography are of the Emperor and the Imperial Eagle instead. Call them Brides of the Emperor or something like that. Fiercely devoted to the Emperor and the Imperial cause, unorthodox in their methods and therefore distrusted by the powers that be, but grudgingly tolerated because of their usefulness and because their parallel hierarchy based on sisterhood and loyalty to the other members of the gang makes them a good place to put Sisters who don't respond well to the normal discipline system.
This is just me tossing random ideas at a wall, I'm sure professionals with time on their hands could come up with cooler stuff along the same lines.
Yeah, I agree. Nundam suits don't really fit the aesthetic of the faction, not when they already have a really unique and flavorful walker also.
I think the Melee sisters are fine, but the rest is all pretty disappointing.
How lean into the Ecclesiarchy angle a bit and do some Frateris Milita? A bunch of crazy zealots with garbage equipment that are absolutely fanatical (something like the new Cawdor miniatures would be awesome).
Or lean into the association with Ordo Hereticus and do some Inquisitorial Stormtroopers and options for a Hereticus Witch hunter or something.
Also just throwing ideas out from the establish fluff, but I imagine cooler stuff could be came up with.
yukishiro1 wrote: For example, just off the top of my head, instead of a tacticool Predator clone, why not an armored pulpit on wheels with a preacher on top who calls down the Emperor's wrath on the enemy, then blasts them to kingdom come with holy hand grenade launchers?
Yeah I just cannot begin to imagine what they were thinking when they thought that adding that tank to the Sisters was a good idea.
A wealth of fancy and esoteric designs - Penitent Engines and Exorcists and flying pulpit ladies - and they give us a Predator with a battlecannon. I mean... what???
Presumably what they were thinking was: "That sisters rhino that's just a normal rhino with some bling added on that we charge an extra 10 quid for worked a charm, let's just do that with a predator too! job's a good 'un!"
Chikout wrote: Today’s show confirmed my fears about warhammer fest which is that they don’t have much to show. In a usual preview they would show about 5 things. We have had 2 days of reveals but have only seen 4 things so far.
I think you're undercounting here a little - probably on the AOS side of things - especially if you just count things which've been officially previewed.
By my reckoning the following models are new model previews, and then we've got Charandon II as a book on top of that:
AOS: Kragnos, Lauka Vai*, Vengorian Lord, Radukar the Beast, Belladamma Volga, Dire Wolves (6)
40K: Belladamma Volga, Agathae Dolan (2)
* - As the White Dwarf with her in hasn't been released yet, I'm not counting her as having been previewed
OK, eight isn't much better than four, but it is better
I wonder if they have a glut of things that arent ready to preview yet because the release schedule continues to be mucked up. If Saturdays reveal is a new edition of AoS it cant be optimal to have it previewed at the same time the last broken realms book is being previewed. No one liked when that also more or less happened during the last phase of PA books from what I recall.
They certainly wouldn't want to preview anything much beyond it. Maybe its the same for 40k. the new book and the next book are being shown and they dont want to reveal anything beyond it.
Maybe because they are keeping it all within the next three months of releases.
It's a mixed bag. I honestly think the latter half of the reveals will be better than the first half.
Like, assuming they actually reveal the Idoneth Deepkin Underworlds warband, that'll be 4-5 models, which is half of what they've already revealed.
The reaction of chat on Twitch is great. Very much speaks volumes when you wrap up the stream at 30 minutes and the chat is spammed with "Wait, that's it?"
I can see both sides of it. On the one hand, I can see that they're really trying to release things as fast as they can with the limitations of the current global distribution issues. They also need to release things in certain order so as not to spoil other releases (for example, releasing Cursed City before Soulblight, and Soulblight before AoS 3.0, and Be'lakor before Charadon 2).
That said, it also feels so painfully *forced*, that they're pushing things out that might be good for their wallets, but not necessarily good for the health of the games that they're trying to support.
40k is going to be a year old, and we've gotten Space Marines (all 50 flavors of them), Death Guard, and Drukhari, and maybe Admech and Sisters if we're lucky, before the 1 year mark.
For all the books that GW is trying to push into our hands between Vigilus, Psychic Awakening, and now Charadon, they're not giving us the books we *want* or *need*.
I truly hope Charadon is a flop. I hope it's a huge flop. I hope those books sit on the shelves in inventory taking up space for years, because that would communicate beautifully that we are DONE with this. Not every 40k fanboy wants to have a library of books that they might use once or twice in the lifetime of the book.
Now, obviously every fan of a faction hopes to get new models, but there are books they could push out rapid-fire that could at least get some factions playable that we just don't expect models for. Imperial Knights, Chaos Knights, Genestealer Cults, get those on out there, no need to hold back.
I don't know. It just feels for all the hype of Warhammer Fest that everything they've shown so far could have been two or three normal articles.
In fact, why did they even bother with the Battle Sister Bulletin? People would have actually been more impressed by holding those reveals back. Imagine if the Castigator, banner, celestians, AND the high lord were revealed today? People would be losing their minds! Instead of saying "Ugh, why show us stuff we've already seen?" it would be "HOLY SMOKES 4 NEW KITS!"
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Carlovonsexron wrote: I wonder if they have a glut of things that arent ready to preview yet because the release schedule continues to be mucked up. If Saturdays reveal is a new edition of AoS it cant be optimal to have it previewed at the same time the last broken realms book is being previewed. No one liked when that also more or less happened during the last phase of PA books from what I recall.
They certainly wouldn't want to preview anything much beyond it. Maybe its the same for 40k. the new book and the next book are being shown and they dont want to reveal anything beyond it.
Maybe because they are keeping it all within the next three months of releases.
Honestly, the more I think about it, the more I doubt that Saturday is AoS 3.0. We are all expecting it, but if they reveal 3rd edition when we know that Soulblight is going to be a '2nd edition' battletome, and they reveal two factions in the starter (new stormcast and whatever they're fighting), then it'll bite right into the money they'd make on Vampires because many people (not all, but many) will save their money for what's coming instead.
In other words, they won't reveal AoS 3.0 yet because it'll cannibalize sales of Broken Realms and Soulblight Gravelords.
That, at least, gives me some modicum of hope.
Of course, the Mystery on Saturday could just be another space marine lt.
yukishiro1 wrote: The main problem is that they already had a super flavorful and unique war walker unit (actually two!). There was no reason they needed another, blander, more boring one.
Just like SoB already had a banner carrying buff special character, so why did they need a new one?
Just like SoB already had an inspiring leader (and obvious Joan-of-Arc character) that also serves as a buff character, so why did they need yet another one?
Etc etc. Really the tanky melee sisters are the only thing in this release that feel like they aren't just a retread of something Sisters already have.
They're that but +1 so existing sororitas players will be enticed to buy the new OP stuff.
I truly hope Charadon is a flop. I hope it's a huge flop. I hope those books sit on the shelves in inventory taking up space for years, because that would communicate beautifully that we are DONE with this. Not every 40k fanboy wants to have a library of books that they might use once or twice in the lifetime of the book.
Then again that would then mean no new models whatsoever except with new codexes. So admech would still be waiting for dogs, transport, tank, the flyers etc.
tneva82 wrote: Then again that would then mean no new models whatsoever except with new codexes. So admech would still be waiting for dogs, transport, tank, the flyers etc.
Good. Who wants to have multiple books just to use their army? Codices should be the place where your units reside.
Once this new book hits, Daemons will need 3 books to have their up to date rules (unless GW announces a new Daemons Codex that consolidates the Daemon book, the PA with the redone Fiend/Flesh Hound/Keeper/etc. rules, and Charadon 2 for Be'lakor).
And if you want to release something in the meantime, put the rules out for free. It's absolutely shocking that Be'lakor's complete 40k rules weren't released as a PDF on the day he was released.
tneva82 wrote: Then again that would then mean no new models whatsoever except with new codexes. So admech would still be waiting for dogs, transport, tank, the flyers etc.
Good. Who wants to have multiple books just to use their army? Codices should be the place where your units reside.
Once this new book hits, Daemons will need 3 books to have their up to date rules (unless GW announces a new Daemons Codex that consolidates the Daemon book, the PA with the redone Fiend/Flesh Hound/Keeper/etc. rules, and Charadon 2 for Be'lakor).
And if you want to release something in the meantime, put the rules out for free. It's absolutely shocking that Be'lakor's complete 40k rules weren't released as a PDF on the day he was released.
Agreed. The point I stopped playing 40k was when I needed 4 books to play my Chaos army in 7th. If they want to release new units, that's fine. Make them a free download online or put the rules in the model's box. Don't make people buy a 100 page book that has 2 pages of relevance to them.
FAQs and point adjustments? Online document.
Want to release army rules in your campaign books? Make new lists like FW did in the IA books.
Yeah... It would be nice if 50-60$ got me rules that would be considered up to date for 2-3 years... and that isn't on it's own doomed to get stomped by one of the newer codices after it. or to even get a codex before several campaign books launched. I can't believe these campaign books were this successful. They only apply to a few factions each and it's just so gutted in terms of content... Tell your local whales to quit buying these supplements XD also yeah I was surprised that the box for be'lakor didn't come with the rules in it... Or were just free online.
yukishiro1 wrote:The main problem is that they already had a super flavorful and unique war walker unit (actually two!). There was no reason they needed another, blander, more boring one.
Just like SoB already had a banner carrying buff special character, so why did they need a new one?
Just like SoB already had an inspiring leader (and obvious Joan-of-Arc character) that also serves as a buff character, so why did they need yet another one?
Etc etc. Really the tanky melee sisters are the only thing in this release that feel like they aren't just a retread of something Sisters already have.
But these walkers don't have the "order" keyword. That's why it's good to have honored sisters in battlesuits rather than criminals sentenced to a worse fate than death.
There was no named character with a banner before. You're thinking of the Imagifier, and it's a generic one.
There was no Supreme Commander in the sister army. Junith isn't one and is linked to one order specifically. Now we have one that can be included for any of our orders (since she's the High Abbess, she's technically the superior of all canonesses from all Militant Orders).
So there were reasons. Just reasons not good enough for you (and your voice doesn't matter, since you're clearly not a sister player ).
As for the tank, the Immolator was already a sister Razorback in the days when they come out first. Like the sisters themselves were very close to Space Marines squads (core sisters were tactical squads, dominions and retributors were similar to Devastator squads, and seraphims were similar to assaults squads). The inspiration from Space Marines army was always there. So having the Castigator isn't really that out of character for the sisters (even if I'd rather like to have a more "fiery" tank like one with multi-melta and flamers everywhere...but I guess it would have been close to a "more powerful Immolator with no transport" - at least the main weapon is indeed something the other tanks don't have already).
Hell, the Exorcist is basically a fancy Whirlwind at the core.
yukishiro1 wrote:Presumably what they were thinking was: "That sisters rhino that's just a normal rhino with some bling added on that we charge an extra 10 quid for worked a charm, let's just do that with a predator too! job's a good 'un!"
They increase the prices at every release. It's not sister specific.
Besides, I remember the prices when they were metal. Oh boy, they're still cheaper now.
Well, they’re likely holding back at least one Ork unit, Zodgrod Wortsnaga, as they teased him on Monday’s preview of the Painboss.
For me, what’s truly missing from these previews is audience interaction. In the normal run of things, we get the pics on Warhammer Community, and answers to questions shown off on Forums.
Yes, people can ask questions in the livestream, but with the number of commenters (to say nothing of parsing out interesting questions a posed) it’s just not really feasible to answer them.
This leads to Wade and Adam having a pretty staid conversation between themselves, and potentially missing stuff.
Disappointing as yesterday’s was though, I’ll still take them over nothing. Though I think I’d prefer a single, longer stream with timings released beforehand (such as AoS 1pm, 40K 2pm, BL 2:30pm etc). However, I’ve no idea how practical that is, given the chaps are clearly working from home, and not from the studio.
I wouldn't be so annoyed about the Charadon books if they did the sensible thing and introduced stop gap rules for factions that won't be getting a codex until next year.
Instead its blatantly day 1 DLC and that is frankly insulting.
"Hey Drukhari players you know you can buy this book which gets you an incredibly competitive Cult of Strife supplement? 4 pages of rules cha-ching! sucker!"
Will be the same with Sisters and book 2.
I also wouldn't be surprised if all the beastsnagga rules are in book 3 to co-incide with the Ork codex release.
I hate companies taken their loyal fanbases for chumps.
We all love this hobby that's why we care enough to vent here, and are being exploited.
I would be extremely interested to see if any Warhammer Old World gets teased on maybe the Saturday. It was originally talked about this time 2 years ago so it's about time they put together something more concrete.
I was wondering if it was some sort of portrayal of them being like angels but then I thought what they really needed was jet packs and to double down on their OTTness.
They look like they've got foot jetpacks going by the smoke trails on the two in the background of that art. Might be they can't fly but have some form of jump pack capability. I forget if we've seen the reverse of them in the earlier previews.
Of course being a High Lord of Terra she might have an anti-gravity system in her suit. The Imperium can be totally backward in its use of science and yet at the same time very forward thinking (even if the latter often happens by accident).
Its all been said - but yeah, kind of non-plussed on the sisters stuff. I like the Celestians - although I feel whatever paint they used on the shields (washed out screaming bell?) is a bit weird. Unfortunately I didn't need Sister Crisis Suits in my life, and I still don't.
One bonus that the interview for the SoB is that they've clearly built the army up from a one-trick-pony into a diverse army capable of different builds. So chances are if you don't want/like the armoured suits you don't have to take them. You can likely build a functional and viable list without taking them by focusing on other elements.
Fingers crossed it has good internal balance that allows you to build varied army options up letting you go for a style that suits what you want from the army.
H.B.M.C. wrote: One interesting theory I heard yesterday is that some of the Vamp reveals yesterday were actually scrapped Cursed City expansions. It's supposition of course, but they put out a "full range" picture of the new Vamp stuff, and some of the new things are not in that shot at all (specifically Final Form Radakur and Lady Wolfenwolf), making some think that they were intended for a different release.
This seems more than likely.
It makes very little sense tho. Vampire book had been ready for months, why put stuff that wouldn't be released for months if not years in it (seeing GW releases WQ expansion every 6 months, so at least some of this stuff would be planned for 2022)? And what the problem with CC can be that they can't produce it, but can produce what was supposed to be expansions in much larger quantities than normal initial run of WQ expansion would be?
That said, when they shown rat dude a few months prior, I had a feeling he doesn't fit with the rest of the vampire range at all and he should have been (together with balding fork hair crone) a mook WQ expansion... But it would indicate they made decision to scrap CC even before it was launched seeing they advertised him as vampire HQ well before CC hit the stores?
Chikout wrote: Regarding the cursed city expansions, I doubt the rumour is true. The soulblight book was sent to the printers months ago, and there’s every indication that whatever problems happend with cursed city, happened recently. This seems pretty clear from the sudden change In messaging.
That doesn't preclude that these were models intended to be released as expacs for Cursed City though. These characters could have had rules in the Soulblight Gravelords book and still have been originally released in connection to the game before being released as standalone blisters/kits.
macluvin wrote: Yeah... It would be nice if 50-60$ got me rules that would be considered up to date for 2-3 years... and that isn't on it's own doomed to get stomped by one of the newer codices after it. or to even get a codex before several campaign books launched. I can't believe these campaign books were this successful. They only apply to a few factions each and it's just so gutted in terms of content... Tell your local whales to quit buying these supplements XD also yeah I was surprised that the box for be'lakor didn't come with the rules in it... Or were just free online.
Whale here. I haven't bought a single 40k rulebook since 9th dropped. Not one, not even a codex. I refuse. I'm not collecting a library of books in order to play all my armies (have every faction in the game except Tyranids - only one homebrew Astartes chapter though). Give me pdf/epub editions like they used to or lose my money.
It makes very little sense tho. Vampire book had been ready for months, why put stuff that wouldn't be released for months if not years in it (seeing GW releases WQ expansion every 6 months, so at least some of this stuff would be planned for 2022)? And what the problem with CC can be that they can't produce it, but can produce what was supposed to be expansions in much larger quantities than normal initial run of WQ expansion would be?
That said, when they shown rat dude a few months prior, I had a feeling he doesn't fit with the rest of the vampire range at all and he should have been (together with balding fork hair crone) a mook WQ expansion... But it would indicate they made decision to scrap CC even before it was launched seeing they advertised him as vampire HQ well before CC hit the stores?
Blackstone Fortress expansions were released every three months on average (there was a 6 month gap between the first and second expansion - but the second expansion was actually 3 or 4 separate products released at the same time). Cursed City was originally supposed to have released around the Halloween timeframe. Assuming Soulblight weren't also delayed, you're looking at potentially 3 expansions out before Soulblight would have released.
Chikout wrote: Regarding the cursed city expansions, I doubt the rumour is true. The soulblight book was sent to the printers months ago, and there’s every indication that whatever problems happend with cursed city, happened recently. This seems pretty clear from the sudden change In messaging.
That doesn't preclude that these were models intended to be released as expacs for Cursed City though. These characters could have had rules in the Soulblight Gravelords book and still have been originally released in connection to the game before being released as standalone blisters/kits.
Except that's never been how it worked. Of the Factioned models in BSF, only the Ur-Ghuls(which already had models) had rules in the Codex before being released as a separate release(the vast majority still don't). The Warcry and Underworlds stuff has only recently been included in AoS books and those books that include them were all released AFTER those kits were released in their original system. If these models are in the book, they were always intended to be mainline releases rather than a release for Cursed City first.
and Infinity kicks ass design wise even if aesthetic is obviously different.
(and yes I am being facetious)
