JWBS wrote:
How does it confirm? Did he specify UM or something? In fact what's he said about terminators?

He's the only one to call out ultras but this was his sources comments on the marine half of the box:

- Terminators "huge thing" in the boxset, no info if Primaris or Firstborn
- Terminator Chaptain and Terminator Librarian
- Bulky, more action poses
- 'Incinerators' new flame squad, like Black Templar Pyreblaster
- New Veteran Squad, "more ranged type"
- New ranged only Dreadnought, lascannons and rockets, maybe "chonkier"
- This one for range, Redemptor as middle ground and brutalis as melee version
- No jump assault marines, will be coming but not in boxset, no idea when
- Generic ultramarines paint scheme
- Still gathering Tyranid info, another video in the next weeks

To clarify it's not a concrete confirmation but it looks the nearest.

JWBS wrote:
How does it confirm? Did he specify UM or something? In fact what's he said about terminators?

Even if it isn't 10th edition, it is a box set with Tyranids vs Terminators being involved, at which point, his rumour source is correct.

Been saying it for months, mentioned multiple times in the original post.

Chapter is irrelevant really.

JWBS wrote:
How does it confirm? Did he specify UM or something? In fact what's he said about terminators?

That updated Terminators are coming and they're not a heavy redesign off the current ones, just a modernised kit (possibly scaled up).

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:

JWBS wrote:
How does it confirm? Did he specify UM or something? In fact what's he said about terminators?

Even if it isn't 10th edition, it is a box set with Tyranids vs Terminators being involved, at which point, his rumour source is correct.

Been saying it for months, mentioned multiple times in the original post.

Chapter is irrelevant really.

It isn't at this stage as the other conflicting rumours have the chapter in the launch material as either BA or DA.

Is there still a rumour it'll involve indexes to go from 9th to 10th, or will we be good with a new BRB and current codexes?

Good lord, these Terminators better be Primaris. Not sure what the point would even be otherwise.

EonChao wrote:

JWBS wrote:
How does it confirm? Did he specify UM or something? In fact what's he said about terminators?

That updated Terminators are coming and they're not a heavy redesign off the current ones, just a modernised kit (possibly scaled up).

Oh nice, I'd like some upscaled Terminators.

War Com teaser email just confirmed the new Terminators

 dreadblade wrote:
Is there still a rumour it'll involve indexes to go from 9th to 10th, or will we be good with a new BRB and current codexes?

Following the route from the ultras inclusive rumour backwards, codex stay relevant for units but there will be heavy changes/edits iirc. I don't think I'll get the time or required level of boredom to go back and string them together, but it's all in the OP.

So wonder which of the leaks will be true

Snitchey wrote:
War Com teaser email just confirmed the new Terminators

Care to show email?

I would bet on New genestealers vs new terminatora kill team. Space Hulks without that duo is not possible.

Looks like a warrior in the pic though.

Rzezbiarzbdg wrote:
I would bet on New genestealers vs new terminatora kill team. Space Hulks without that duo is not possible.

It doesn't have the kill team logo on it at all though.

JWBS wrote:
Looks like a warrior in the pic though.

Which would give credence to new Shrikes being correct as well.

Terminator is green isn’t he?

That's a very normal looking Terminator...

I'm assuming GW is keeping the old design and simply upscaling the models to Primaris proportions?

Danny76 wrote:
Terminator is green isn’t he?

I think it's discolouring though the nids eye colour, the tip of the U is visible on the shoulder and white helm for ultras first company fits. The icons on the left shoulder correctly as it's a mirror image.

Danny76 wrote:
Terminator is green isn’t he?

In the still image on WHC it definitely looks green (with a white helmet) - a colour scheme that doesn't really fit with any of the rumoured FF Chapters...

Dudeface wrote:

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:

JWBS wrote:
How does it confirm? Did he specify UM or something? In fact what's he said about terminators?

Even if it isn't 10th edition, it is a box set with Tyranids vs Terminators being involved, at which point, his rumour source is correct.

Been saying it for months, mentioned multiple times in the original post.

Chapter is irrelevant really.

It isn't at this stage as the other conflicting rumours have the chapter in the launch material as either BA or DA.

It's still mostly irrelevant. Launch boxes are not chapter locked. His source evidently has good access to the studios. they could have seen multiples painted in different chapter colours, which usually does happen at the launch of an edition anyway.

The chapter itself is really unimportant, the models are, and the models are rumour correct it seems.

Hard to be sure on the overall colour of the armour with it being reflected in the Nids eye. But the helm is white unlike the rest of the torso and shoulders. White helms is not a BA or DA thing. While other codex chapters do use white helms for vets, its usually associated with the Ultras.
Also cant make out a Crux Terminatus on the left shoulder. Artistic licence, or indicator of an updated design that looks a lot like the existing pattern?

tneva82 wrote:

Snitchey wrote:
War Com teaser email just confirmed the new Terminators

Care to show email?

The email doesn't say anything, it just links to the article

Colour me surprised.

Terminator looking old-school, good !

Looks at 20 Purestrain Stealers from Deathwatch Overkill.. soon

GoatboyBeta wrote:

Also cant make out a Crux Terminatus on the left shoulder. Artistic licence, or indicator of an updated design that looks a lot like the existing pattern?

It's a mirrored image.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Hard to be sure on the overall colour of the armour with it being reflected in the Nids eye. But the helm is white unlike the rest of the torso and shoulders. White helms is not a BA or DA thing. While other codex chapters do use white helms for vets, its usually associated with the Ultras.
Also cant make out a Crux Terminatus on the left shoulder. Artistic licence, or indicator of an updated design that looks a lot like the existing pattern?

It's mirrored in the eye was my understanding, so the left is actually the right I think?

Well I am not surprised if its Ultramarines as they are poster boys "cough" but I can imagine it also being Deathwing.


But as for the 'nid, it is probably not genestealer but tyranid range as a whole could use some refresh.

Unless its new variant of genestealer.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

It's a mirrored image.

Yes it is. So the shoulder on the right hand side of the image is the Terminators left shoulder. Traditionally Indomitus pattern Terminators in 40k have the Crux Terminatus on there left shoulder, with the chapter badge on there right.

Edit - never mind, I get what your saying now.

Added to the OP.

 Tim the Biovore wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Snitchey wrote:
War Com teaser email just confirmed the new Terminators

Care to show email?

The email doesn't say anything, it just links to the article

It does specify the transmission is from the Galaxy's Western Fringe, which isn't in the article.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but on Deathwing Terminators the helmet and armor are the same color, correct? So we can rule out Dark Angels.

Blood Angels use gold for their veterans, right? So we can rule out Blood Angels.

Looks like a poster boy Ultramarine to me.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but on Deathwing Terminators the helmet and armor are the same color, correct? So we can rule out Dark Angels.

Blood Angels use gold for their veterans, right? So we can rule out Blood Angels.

Looks like a poster boy Ultramarine to me.

White helmet blue body is the Ultramarine terminator setup, and blue filtered through a yellow-orangeish lense would look deep-green to blackish.

It has the Ultramrine U on the shoulder.

Western Edge might also make it Leviathan vs Imperial Fists.

 Asmodai wrote:

 Tim the Biovore wrote:

The email doesn't say anything, it just links to the article

It does specify the transmission is from the Galaxy's Western Fringe, which isn't in the article.

Does that mean anything in particular Chapter-wise? Any current lore that would put anyone in particular between the Western Fringe and the Sol System?

Could just be proximity to Terra to explain why Tyranids are the big bad for 10th, I don't think the Terminator is light enough to be wearing Imperial Fist yellow, but the white helmet would fit.

Western fringe is definitely somewhat weird.

Sure, there are surviving elements of Hive Fleet Leviathan there now as well, but what would an Ultramarine be doing there?

Acehilator wrote:
Western fringe is definitely somewhat weird.

Sure, there are surviving elements of Hive Fleet Leviathan there now as well, but what would an Ultramarine be doing there?

Generic Mary Sue things.

Absolutely random toss-out, but Sons of Medusa Terminators have white helmets and green armor.

If these are just the SMH Terminators repacked in a boxset/board game, are we gonna riot?

 Kanluwen wrote:
Absolutely random toss-out, but Sons of Medusa Terminators have white helmets and green armor.

Filter a blue through an orange lens and it looks green though.


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 zend wrote:
If these are just the SMH Terminators repacked in a boxset/board game, are we gonna riot?

Nah, because it still means something awesome is coming. There would be a wave of ner-ners from some people, which will be insufferable though.

Acehilator wrote:
Western fringe is definitely somewhat weird.

Sure, there are surviving elements of Hive Fleet Leviathan there now as well, but what would an Ultramarine be doing there?

Vigilus is on the other side of the galaxy to Ultramar. Poster faction gets sent wherever marketing says they need to be.

New Spacehulk then.

Acehilator wrote:
Western fringe is definitely somewhat weird.

Sure, there are surviving elements of Hive Fleet Leviathan there now as well, but what would an Ultramarine be doing there?

The same thing they do anywhere: stand around and look pretty for the camera.

 NAVARRO wrote:
New Spacehulk then.

That's an option we should not discount lightly, Space Hulk had been in huge demand on its last realease, and with all that AoO/Boarding Action and Gallowdark terrain you'd had to be stupid not to do something in that direction. A sneaky Space Hulk box would also be a nice reveal for e.g. Adepticon.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

Acehilator wrote:
Western fringe is definitely somewhat weird.

Sure, there are surviving elements of Hive Fleet Leviathan there now as well, but what would an Ultramarine be doing there?

The same thing they do anywhere: stand around and look pretty for the camera.

To be fair: Ultramarines, especially 1st company ones, have some pretty big grudges against the ‘nids.

Its going to be space wolves. I know this because that is how I will paint them.

You guys realise GW dont do chapter specific units these days, right.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

Blood Angels use gold for their veterans, right? So we can rule out Blood Angels.

Only for Sternguard and Vanguard Veterans (don't know about Primaris).

 Tim the Biovore wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Snitchey wrote:
War Com teaser email just confirmed the new Terminators

Care to show email?

The email doesn't say anything, it just links to the article

So not exactly confirmation.


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 Fayric wrote:
Its going to be space wolves. I know this because that is how I will paint them.

You guys realise GW dont do chapter specific units these days, right.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-FI/black-templars-primaris-crusader-squad-2021

 Fayric wrote:
Its going to be space wolves. I know this because that is how I will paint them.

You guys realise GW dont do chapter specific units these days, right.

There is still going to be a story attached to 10th and the release box in general. And the default color scheme for the box will reflect that.

I mean I am glad that it's not the third (fourth?) rehash of Nids vs BA, but still weird.

I am not wholly up to date with 9th lore, is UM vs DG in the Dominion still a thing, or did something change after the Bobby vs Morty fight?

 Fayric wrote:
You guys realise GW dont do chapter specific units these days, right.

Black Templars would heavily disagree with that - Space Wolves too, if we're allowing the Hounds of Morkai (I'm not sure either way on them, tbh).

Fayric: If you were discounting cosmetic packs or “alternative via unique color scheme like Death Company Intercessors”, I could see your point of view. More on the cosmetics not counting though.

If you were discounting named characters I could see your point of view, because we weren’t talking about named characters!

But they literally have a number of primaris units only for Black Templars. Plus the Krieg box for guard.

Acehilator: Nurgle forces pulled out of Ultramar because Nurgle wanted their might for the great game in the Warp. Mortarion is in the dog house because he not only disobeyed his redeployment orders, but failed at his task anyway.

That said I only remember the book mentioning Mortiarion’s army. Combined with the non-existent consistency of warp time, Nurgle forces could already be back at it in Ultramar.

Note that these events took place twelve years after the Indomitus crusade started (for anyone who remembers 100 years, they retconned some things about the first two books due to plot issues). And I don’t know when the Arks of Omen stuff takes place.

 NAVARRO wrote:
New Spacehulk then.

With a critter that's at least Carnifex sized?

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
New Spacehulk then.

With a critter that's at least Carnifex sized?

Big Space Hulk.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
New Spacehulk then.

With a critter that's at least Carnifex sized?

Where do you see the size?

 NAVARRO wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
New Spacehulk then.

With a critter that's at least Carnifex sized?

Where do you see the size?

The image gives the impression it's a little taller than a terminator, which is neither here nor there really.

You know, the image looks very much like a marine helmet but Tyranid-like if that makes sense. Infested marines a-la StarCraft?

Wayniac wrote:
You know, the image looks very much like a marine helmet but Tyranid-like if that makes sense. Infested marines a-la StarCraft?

No? It just looks like a Terminator helmet.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
You know, the image looks very much like a marine helmet but Tyranid-like if that makes sense. Infested marines a-la StarCraft?

No? It just looks like a Terminator helmet.

I thought it was extremely obvious he meant the Tyranid part of the image.

However I think that's just a "nose" giving that impression in the pic, not a face grille.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
You know, the image looks very much like a marine helmet but Tyranid-like if that makes sense. Infested marines a-la StarCraft?

No? It just looks like a Terminator helmet.

Marine helmet from which terminator helmet reflects?

Dudeface wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
New Spacehulk then.

With a critter that's at least Carnifex sized?

Where do you see the size?

The image gives the impression it's a little taller than a terminator, which is neither here nor there really.

Not seeing it sorry. It depends on angles of vision and positions... and it's just an illustration with artistic errr liberties. For all we know it could be a ripper on a vent looking at a termi...

Got a gut feeling that Space Hulk could also be on the way...

so, looking at the image blown up a little on my phone, I'm certain that thiers a Ultramarine "inverted Omega" symbol on the shoulder pad. So, its ultras vs nids.

could it be a historical throwback? the ultramarines 1st company basically died to a man defending Macragge in the 1st tryanic war, after all. maybe some sort of "warhammer historical" or simmilar?

You guys do know there's video, right?

I’ve not located it on the page. A link would be awesome.

The videos just shows the mid head and zooms in on the eye, and terminator as in the image. Or is there an another?

No, thats it

It will be Space Hulk... but not as we know it. Either Killteams or Board Actions rules, self contained set I imagine.

 alextroy wrote:
I’ve not located it on the page. A link would be awesome.

The 'video' is the article picture on the main Warcom page (it may not show on mobile). Its more a 15 second animated gif than a proper video.

But its also on their youtube channel : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZZ_7f1Bkpo

So nids or if we are lucky something actually "new" like Lizardmen

The Terminator's proportions seem a little better, with a wider chest and the ability to turn the head to the side without moving the whole torso. It's not a picture of a miniature, but hoepfully an indication that the new models will have a working anatomy.

Terminators wouldnt work in a Kill Team setting, they are too powerful, so that's ruled out.

The Rumors about Tyranids and Terminators for the 10th launch box are materialized almost officially in that video, and i believe the Tyranid Warrior is indicating of a revamp for that unit.

Actually when you look at the latest combat patrol for Tyranids, it looks almost like they were trying to clear up stock for gaunts warriors and tyrants in preparation for a revamp.

My opinion is that the following units get redone:
- warriors
- gaunts
- stealers
- biovore/pyrovore
- Lictor/deahleaper
- Ravener/Red Terror

And maybe :
- Tyrant
- Carnifex

Those 2 kits are old enough, but they are still aesthetically pleasing enough.

I'm going to laugh when it turns out it's just more teasers for Space Marine 2 and has nothing to do with 10th or (for some dumb reason) a new version of Space Hulk.

Siegfriedfr wrote:
Terminators wouldnt work in a Kill Team setting, they are too powerful, so that's ruled out.

The Rumors about Tyranids and Terminators for the 10th launch box are materialized almost officially in that video, and i believe the Tyranid Warrior is indicating of a revamp for that unit.

Actually when you look at the latest combat patrol for Tyranids, it looks almost like they were trying to clear up stock for gaunts warriors and tyrants in preparation for a revamp.

This has been repeated endlessly but there's no such thing as clearing up stock. GW manufactures new sprues for each new boxed set it makes. There isn't some huge pile of old sprues lying around waiting to get packed into boxes and they don't break down old stock to repack into combat patrols or army sets or anything else.

Greenfield wrote:

Siegfriedfr wrote:
Terminators wouldnt work in a Kill Team setting, they are too powerful, so that's ruled out.

The Rumors about Tyranids and Terminators for the 10th launch box are materialized almost officially in that video, and i believe the Tyranid Warrior is indicating of a revamp for that unit.

Actually when you look at the latest combat patrol for Tyranids, it looks almost like they were trying to clear up stock for gaunts warriors and tyrants in preparation for a revamp.

This has been repeated endlessly but there's no such thing as clearing up stock. GW manufactures new sprues for each new boxed set it makes. There isn't some huge pile of old sprues lying around waiting to get packed into boxes and they don't break down old stock to repack into combat patrols or army sets or anything else.

I'm still amazed people think GW has a huge sprue overstock considering how many kits in almost all regions fall in and out of stock over the last 2-3 years. Even IF GW had overstock the Pandemic would have blown that away entirely.

 Overread wrote:


I'm still amazed people think GW has a huge sprue overstock considering how many kits in almost all regions fall in and out of stock over the last 2-3 years. Even IF GW had overstock the Pandemic would have blown that away entirely.

That, and the fact it would probably cost GW more to pay staff to repack old existing sprues rather than just casting up new ones for pennies.

Siegfriedfr wrote:
Terminators wouldnt work in a Kill Team setting, they are too powerful, so that's ruled out.

They were literally in the previous edition of Kill Team.

Custodes work in Kill team so there is space for Terminators*, but it's not Space Hulk.

If it was Space Hulk the intro would have been about blips, simple enough.


*the 2+ save would be the most controversial thing, so I think you'd definitely be looking at a small team when they come out in WD before we kick off the new Season.

 Platuan4th wrote:

Siegfriedfr wrote:
Terminators wouldnt work in a Kill Team setting, they are too powerful, so that's ruled out.

They were literally in the previous edition of Kill Team.

which is nothing like the current edition, where they are not allowed, and the closest units currently in it (space marine heavy intercessor kill teams) struggle due too-low model counts. Custodes are often only effective in Kill Team when played with Sisters of Silence giving them numbers to operate around.

 Platuan4th wrote:

Siegfriedfr wrote:
Terminators wouldnt work in a Kill Team setting, they are too powerful, so that's ruled out.

They were literally in the previous edition of Kill Team.

They even had Broodlords and Patriarchs!

xerxeskingofking wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

Siegfriedfr wrote:
Terminators wouldnt work in a Kill Team setting, they are too powerful, so that's ruled out.

They were literally in the previous edition of Kill Team.

which is nothing like the current edition, where they are not allowed

Not allowed currently and has nothing to do with whether or not they fit the "setting" of Kill Team.

Completely classic style helmet and proportions line up with the recent chaos terminator kit - looks like firstborn. A Tyranid having a nose hole and cheeks is new though - are nids the biggest faction not having had a decent range update semi-recently (other than maybe Drukhari)?

How many Kill-Team previews feature the Warhammer 40,000 logo so prominently?

 Insularum wrote:
A Tyranid having a nose hole and cheeks is new though...

And that's what concerns me. I want Tyranids to get some new critters and new models to replace ancient FineCost models. I don't want a back-to-the-drawing-board redesign of the whole race.

 Insularum wrote:
...are nids the biggest faction not having had a decent range update semi-recently (other than maybe Drukhari)?

Prior to the Parasite, the last Tyranid release was in, IIRC, 2014.

 Insularum wrote:
Completely classic style helmet and proportions line up with the recent chaos terminator kit - looks like firstborn. A Tyranid having a nose hole and cheeks is new though - are nids the biggest faction not having had a decent range update semi-recently (other than maybe Drukhari)?

"Semi-recently" would be funny if it weren't so sad. Nids last range update was 2014 (Blood of Baal). Only new model since then was the Parasite for the 9th edition release.

xerxeskingofking wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

Siegfriedfr wrote:
Terminators wouldnt work in a Kill Team setting, they are too powerful, so that's ruled out.

They were literally in the previous edition of Kill Team.

which is nothing like the current edition, where they are not allowed, and the closest units currently in it (space marine heavy intercessor kill teams) struggle due too-low model counts. Custodes are often only effective in Kill Team when played with Sisters of Silence giving them numbers to operate around.

I don't think this is a tease for KT at all, but considering we have Custodes (which seem absolutely absurd from a thematic viewpoint) I thinking ruling out terminators completely from the game just because they would be a low model count band and not very effective is giving GW too much credit.

It's most likely just a tease for tenth or maaaybe some new boxed game akin to Space Hulk.

The denial is pretty strong. Rumors are for 10th edition box set with nids and terminators (I’m using Valraks source simply because of accuracy thus far).

Mechanicum daemon Prince…..OK, Vashtor, but if you just saw the model/image, how else would you describe it?
Azrael…. Yep
Next book Farsight with new model….. yep
Another book and the Lion… all teases point this way
Dante? Waiting on that one.
So are we just going to dismiss the 10th edition rumor as something else, like Space Hulk?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Insularum wrote:
A Tyranid having a nose hole and cheeks is new though...

And that's what concerns me. I want Tyranids to get some new critters and new models to replace ancient FineCost models. I don't want a back-to-the-drawing-board redesign of the whole race.

Well, I had that experience a long time ago. I bought some of the new models in 3rd edition but then decided they were either garbage in quality and design (metal) or not what I was looking for. I didn't liked the new design of the Warriors that much and that of the Rippers even less. Termagants were to big for their stats and Hormagaunts had (and have) too large heads. It stopped me from collecting Tyranids at all.

I bought the Genestealers and the plastic Brood Lord (not the metal one - it didn't look like a Stealer at all) as an old GSC player, and some later Tyranid models were nice. But just when you thought, they had learned from past mistakes - boom. Gargoyles. They don't even share a sprue with the foot-slogging beasts, yet they have the same huge head and arms with an even tinier body.

Well, I'm happy with my 1st/2nd edition models + Armorcast. Why should I collect an army where I don't like the basic troops. So a new design wouldn't hurt me.

GW has shown they can modernize a range without invalidating it. They did a good job with the Eldar, and I hope they do the same with the nids.

Not reinventing the wheel, but cleaning up some old stuff, cutting modern and more efficient sprues, and giving people new toys to field along side their existing ones.

SamusDrake wrote:
Got a gut feeling that Space Hulk could also be on the way...

Yeah, after everyone buys four sets of Gallow Dark, they change it to the new and improved Space Hulk hallways with a new terrain type.

 Nevelon wrote:
GW has shown they can modernize a range without invalidating it. They did a good job with the Eldar, and I hope they do the same with the nids.

Not reinventing the wheel, but cleaning up some old stuff, cutting modern and more efficient sprues, and giving people new toys to field along side their existing ones.

They've also shown they can strip away the options and turn the rest into a quagmire of genericised weaponry and Byzantine limitations and combinations.

An arbitrarily limited kit is better than a strictly ETB kit, or absolutely nothing.

If they’re Indomtius armors and on par with the CSM terminators, I’ll be fine with it. You can swap arms around and the shoulder pads are separate so I expect that at a minimum. Sadly there’s no chance to get a dual kit to make close combat/shooty variants in this age.

I saw the teaser video and my eyes rolled up into my head.

Not because it's 'more space marines' or anything like that, but because I know that for the next month people will argue about every little aspect of the teaser while pretending their opinion is fact.

It's kill team! but it has the 40k logo? It's space hulk! but it has a warrior head? It's the 10th edition box! but it's too early to reveal that?

I don't know or care what it is, I just want it to be revealed so we can move on to more interesting stuff, like Seraphon.

Dual kit Kroxigor/Tyranid Warrior Primes?

Siegfriedfr wrote:

Actually when you look at the latest combat patrol for Tyranids, it looks almost like they were trying to clear up stock for gaunts warriors and tyrants in preparation for a revamp..

Of course the sprues for combat patrol were cast rather than take from existing stock so that theory fails ;-)


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 Platuan4th wrote:

Siegfriedfr wrote:
Terminators wouldnt work in a Kill Team setting, they are too powerful, so that's ruled out.

They were literally in the previous edition of Kill Team.

which is nothing like the current edition, where they are not allowed, and the closest units currently in it (space marine heavy intercessor kill teams) struggle due too-low model counts. Custodes are often only effective in Kill Team when played with Sisters of Silence giving them numbers to operate around.

Well if heavy intercessors struggle due to low numbers then terminators would logically struggle so hardly too powerful then?

What's left for likely boarding patrols?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
GW has shown they can modernize a range without invalidating it. They did a good job with the Eldar, and I hope they do the same with the nids.

Not reinventing the wheel, but cleaning up some old stuff, cutting modern and more efficient sprues, and giving people new toys to field along side their existing ones.

They've also shown they can strip away the options and turn the rest into a quagmire of genericised weaponry and Byzantine limitations and combinations.

I was thinking more models then rules.

You are correct.

Tyranids have escaped the worst of NMNR due to their excellent old flexible kits. If those are replaced with more modern ones, will the datasheets be replaced to look like the plauge marine one or other hot messes? We can hope they will not.

Greenfield wrote:

Siegfriedfr wrote:
Terminators wouldnt work in a Kill Team setting, they are too powerful, so that's ruled out.

The Rumors about Tyranids and Terminators for the 10th launch box are materialized almost officially in that video, and i believe the Tyranid Warrior is indicating of a revamp for that unit.

Actually when you look at the latest combat patrol for Tyranids, it looks almost like they were trying to clear up stock for gaunts warriors and tyrants in preparation for a revamp.

This has been repeated endlessly but there's no such thing as clearing up stock. GW manufactures new sprues for each new boxed set it makes. There isn't some huge pile of old sprues lying around waiting to get packed into boxes and they don't break down old stock to repack into combat patrols or army sets or anything else.

While true, it's also not the whole truth.
It costs pennies to produce new plastic figures from an existing mould. The moulds however, are very expensive. I've seen estimates that put the GW ones at £30k plus. They're very high quality, and you can cast 100,000+ sprues from those before they need replacing.

When you're working out your costs, you'll divide the cost of making the mould between however many sprues it produces. If the mould cost £30k and you only ever make 10k sprues, that's a cost of £3 per sprue. If you make 30k sprues that's a cost of £1 per sprue. So your profit on every one you sell is £2 higher.

Ideally, you want to run a mould until it reaches the end of its life, maximising your profits from it. If you retire figures entirely before the moulds are spent, you're sort of leaving money on the table.

So no, GW don't have loads of plastic sprues left over that they're taking out of boxes or storage and sticking in bundles or partwork magazines. But what they do have sitting in the factory are plenty of moulds with a good amount of life still left in them. So if they intend on redesigning a unit, it absolutely does make financial sense to cast a load of the old ones and sell them off cheap *if* they have moulds for those models with a lot of life left in them still.

That could easily just be an entirely false economy when squeezing the final £8k out of a mould is weighed up against releasing a more profitable replacement product.

Oh yeah, it's not always going to be the best thing to do. And even if it's not GW won't always make the best decision either.

But there is a reason to do it, and the whole "don't be silly, they don't have loads of sprues sitting around in a warehouse" argument seems to come up a lot and constantly miss that.

JWBS wrote:
That could easily just be an entirely false economy when squeezing the final £8k out of a mould is weighed up against releasing a more profitable replacement product.

We do not know a lot of GW's internal accounting or economic model, but usually the bottleneck is machine time, because the machines themselves are orders of magnitude more expensive than any mould and the moulds itself are much more expensive than mould storage, which all supports your general assumptions more than it does the 'mouldmaxxing' point of view. However, there is not only the financial opportunity cost of running less-than-maximally-profitable moulds, but also the vagaries of not offering your full range of products; contrary to popular belief, you can't just run Tac Squads all day So their overall time allocation scheme is probably somewhat more complex, and unfortunately mostly opaque to us.

The most expensive part of manufacture is probably switching molds in the machine, as that's a couple of hours when the machine isn't making money.

Don't know if it has any significance, but the short video of this transmission is tagged 'League of Legends' on YouTube; is this something that gets assigned by Youtube automatically?

I just hope that they don’t make Nids into Blokes in Funny Suits. It long been a concern of mine that someone at GW will want to write dialogue for Nids.

deano2099 wrote:
Oh yeah, it's not always going to be the best thing to do. And even if it's not GW won't always make the best decision either.

But there is a reason to do it, and the whole "don't be silly, they don't have loads of sprues sitting around in a warehouse" argument seems to come up a lot and constantly miss that.

The argument isn't they don't use old sprues because duh they do. But the argument we keep shooting down is they use discount boxes TO CLEAR WAREHOUSE!

You are talking about entirely different thing than clearing out warehouse which is what they are claiming GW does. "Oh these don't sell so let's put it in discount box to clear warehouse!"

And that's myth. This doesn't clear warehouse at all. At worst ir actually INCREASES the warehouse stock if boxes don't sell.

tneva82 wrote:

deano2099 wrote:
Oh yeah, it's not always going to be the best thing to do. And even if it's not GW won't always make the best decision either.

But there is a reason to do it, and the whole "don't be silly, they don't have loads of sprues sitting around in a warehouse" argument seems to come up a lot and constantly miss that.

The argument isn't they don't use old sprues because duh they do. But the argument we keep shooting down is they use discount boxes TO CLEAR WAREHOUSE!

You are talking about entirely different thing than clearing out warehouse which is what they are claiming GW does. "Oh these don't sell so let's put it in discount box to clear warehouse!"

And that's myth. This doesn't clear warehouse at all. At worst ir actually INCREASES the warehouse stock if boxes don't sell.

Ooh, hi shouty-mc-shouterson, careful, you'll damage your voice.

If you actually look past just trying to score points on the internet, and engage with what people are saying, you may find you don't need to shout as much.

You can learn something by reading the posts here but I'm not going to spell it out for you.

I for one welcome our new Terminator overlords. Unless they are not in fact new or GW botches their anatomy again. But if no such nonsense gets in the way, hurray for new Terminators!

 Souleater wrote:
I just hope that they don’t make Nids into Blokes in Funny Suits. It long been a concern of mine that someone at GW will want to write dialogue for Nids.

You mean getting the Necron treatment for Tyranids? Maybe that's what the Nom Emissary is for, GW getting inspired by old Zoat fluff and giving a voice to a hive fleet so they can talk to the protagonists before the superhero fisticuffs start. Would be in keeping with the style of stories GW writes these days and one more of the many examples of GW drawing inspiration from early 40k.

So, umm, it's kind of bogus to say but it's actually more probable than any of us would like?

 Geifer wrote:
I for one welcome our new Terminator overlords. Unless they are not in fact new or GW botches their anatomy again. But if no such nonsense gets in the way, hurray for new Terminators!

 Souleater wrote:
I just hope that they don’t make Nids into Blokes in Funny Suits. It long been a concern of mine that someone at GW will want to write dialogue for Nids.

You mean getting the Necron treatment for Tyranids? Maybe that's what the Nom Emissary is for, GW getting inspired by old Zoat fluff and giving a voice to a hive fleet so they can talk to the protagonists before the superhero fisticuffs start. Would be in keeping with the style of stories GW writes these days and one more of the many examples of GW drawing inspiration from early 40k.

So, umm, it's kind of bogus to say but it's actually more probable than any of us would like?

Don't rule out that it's just some new collaboration:



Usually these are not really hyped on the community page, but there have been exceptions, and there is significant overlap between writers for Riot Games and Warhammer, which could facilitate a collab.

Tsagualsa wrote:
Don't rule out that it's just some new collaboration:

Spoiler:

Usually these are not really hyped on the community page, but there have been exceptions, and there is significant overlap between writers for Riot Games and Warhammer, which could facilitate a collab.

Sure, why not?

I could also see something like that coming at this time because GW is also going to do new Terminators (as rumored) and tease them on time so whatever League of Legends is gets to do its new content with licensed Terminators and Tyranids without spoiling GW's surprise.

I'd prefer new Terminators and hope this is it, but eh, I've spent a long time not buying more Terminators from GW. If they don't want to make new models, I can just keep doing that.

40k: the MobA would be a curveball

Dudeface wrote:
40k: the MobA would be a curveball

The MOBA layout would fit Space Hulk / Boarding Actions / AoO enviroments pretty well, you have the right mix of Heros and mooks from the get-go with Tyranid swarms and 'Individuals', it could be made to work easily. Afaik Graham McNeill is currently lead story writer for the LoL/Arcane universe...

Those cards are automatically added. I've seen plenty of warhammer videos be labled Dawn of War or Mechanicus because of similar aesthetics.

 Segersgia wrote:
Those cards are automatically added. I've seen plenty of warhammer videos be labled Dawn of War or Mechanicus because of similar aesthetics.

Very well, thanks for the input! I tried googling it, but there are at least 3 different concepts that have been called 'Tags' at different points in time and it's very confusing to try to understand Youtube lingo with all that SEO bs going on an people trying to sell you their marketing stuff

So it's probably just the output of an algorithm.

It would be interesting to see GW's internal accounting. Mainly to see whether there's a clear up stream/down stream split.

Mould optimisation makes sense - but it seems to me given the potential revenue, a sales strategy is going to take priority. (Okay flashbacks to the infamous 2014 declaration of "we don't ask what the market wants" - but I think they have inched forward a bit.)

I think GW do a big print-run on a new release - maybe 100k sprues that get scattered across the world. If they all get sold that will pay for the sprues, the machines, the plastic etc - but moreover pay for the designers, the marketing etc. If the demand is there for a second print, the marginal cost is so much lower, and GW probably don't overly care about whether they are making £1~ more a sprue. (Getting time on the machines then becomes the challenge - as they are earmarked for the next release, and the one after that etc.)

Basically I'd imagine its more likely someone has gone "Tyranid Warriors are selling well now, lets sell more of them in this new box" rather than "this Tyranid Warrior mould could probably be spun up another 10k~ times, lets get our moneys worth".

Tyel wrote:
It would be interesting to see GW's internal accounting. Mainly to see whether there's a clear up stream/down stream split.

Mould optimisation makes sense - but it seems to me given the potential revenue, a sales strategy is going to take priority. (Okay flashbacks to the infamous 2014 declaration of "we don't ask what the market wants" - but I think they have inched forward a bit.)

I think GW do a big print-run on a new release - maybe 100k sprues that get scattered across the world. If they all get sold that will pay for the sprues, the machines, the plastic etc - but moreover pay for the designers, the marketing etc. If the demand is there for a second print, the marginal cost is so much lower, and GW probably don't overly care about whether they are making £1~ more a sprue. (Getting time on the machines then becomes the challenge - as they are earmarked for the next release, and the one after that etc.)

Basically I'd imagine its more likely someone has gone "Tyranid Warriors are selling well now, lets sell more of them in this new box" rather than "this Tyranid Warrior mould could probably be spun up another 10k~ times, lets get our moneys worth".

Depending on whichever specific cult of accounting and management they're following, there may be things like individual perfomance indicators for sub-markets, product lines etc. involved, as well as stuff like revenue targets for specific product lines and SKUs and so on. Some companies assign 'product owners' for different lines of product, and some go as far as assigning machine time or other ressources by internal bidding/auctions/markets in which the various profit centers compete. Management can get quite crazy if you do all the fads simultaneously

drbored wrote:
I saw the teaser video and my eyes rolled up into my head.

Not because it's 'more space marines' or anything like that, but because I know that for the next month people will argue about every little aspect of the teaser while pretending their opinion is fact.

It's kill team! but it has the 40k logo? It's space hulk! but it has a warrior head? It's the 10th edition box! but it's too early to reveal that?

I don't know or care what it is, I just want it to be revealed so we can move on to more interesting stuff, like Seraphon.

AdeptiCon is just over a week away. Probably get a twitch stream next Wednesday. I expect the the last Kill Team expansion for this season to be previewed.
Personally I think this is for a spinoff game. We never got expansions for Rise of the Orks with the season two terminators. If not those there was a rumor about Indomitus pattern armor in kits like the mark VI with separate weapon sprues.

Smaug wrote:

drbored wrote:
I saw the teaser video and my eyes rolled up into my head.

Not because it's 'more space marines' or anything like that, but because I know that for the next month people will argue about every little aspect of the teaser while pretending their opinion is fact.

It's kill team! but it has the 40k logo? It's space hulk! but it has a warrior head? It's the 10th edition box! but it's too early to reveal that?

I don't know or care what it is, I just want it to be revealed so we can move on to more interesting stuff, like Seraphon.

AdeptiCon is just over a week away. Probably get a twitch stream next Wednesday. I expect the the last Kill Team expansion for this season to be previewed.
Personally I think this is for a spinoff game. We never got expansions for Rise of the Orks with the season two terminators. If not those there was a rumor about Indomitus pattern armor in kits like the mark VI with separate weapon sprues.

I mean GW are not subtle about the 3 year release cycle with new editions dropping in summer after a roughly 3 month hype period. It would be weirder if this isn't 10th ed.

Tsagualsa wrote:

Don't know if it has any significance, but the short video of this transmission is tagged 'League of Legends' on YouTube; is this something that gets assigned by Youtube automatically?

Would have been better if it had been Starcraft. Everyone knows nids ripped off the zerg.

 warboss wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

Don't know if it has any significance, but the short video of this transmission is tagged 'League of Legends' on YouTube; is this something that gets assigned by Youtube automatically?

Would have been better if it had been Starcraft. Everyone knows nids ripped off the zerg.

Lel.

For the record, it has been stated in the other thread that these 'Cards' in Youtube lingo do actually get assigned by an algorithm, so there's probably no deeper meaning to it.

Edit: in this thread actually. Adjust parameters: post- less coffee - more.

 Souleater wrote:
I just hope that they don’t make Nids into Blokes in Funny Suits. It long been a concern of mine that someone at GW will want to write dialogue for Nids.

The Hive Mind has had dialogue in the past, it's perfectly capable of communicating with human psykers to taunt them.

 Platuan4th wrote:

The Hive Mind has had dialogue in the past, it's perfectly capable of communicating with human psykers to taunt them.

Eurgh, no. It's like teasing the cheerios on your spoon before you put them in your mouth.

 Platuan4th wrote:

The Hive Mind has had dialogue in the past, it's perfectly capable of communicating with human psykers to taunt them.

No.

The Hive Mind has had the occasional POV and the occasional "protagonist suffers minor existential crisis when the Hive Mind focuses on them".

But it has never actually communicated and much less spoken.

Dudeface wrote:

Smaug wrote:

drbored wrote:
I saw the teaser video and my eyes rolled up into my head.

Not because it's 'more space marines' or anything like that, but because I know that for the next month people will argue about every little aspect of the teaser while pretending their opinion is fact.

It's kill team! but it has the 40k logo? It's space hulk! but it has a warrior head? It's the 10th edition box! but it's too early to reveal that?

I don't know or care what it is, I just want it to be revealed so we can move on to more interesting stuff, like Seraphon.

AdeptiCon is just over a week away. Probably get a twitch stream next Wednesday. I expect the the last Kill Team expansion for this season to be previewed.
Personally I think this is for a spinoff game. We never got expansions for Rise of the Orks with the season two terminators. If not those there was a rumor about Indomitus pattern armor in kits like the mark VI with separate weapon sprues.

I mean GW are not subtle about the 3 year release cycle with new editions dropping in summer after a roughly 3 month hype period. It would be weirder if this isn't 10th ed.

I’m not denying 10th is coming this summer and is going to be Tyranids vs Marines. I just think this is probably a standalone Space Hulk like game to keep using the boarding action terrain. I doubt an edition starter going forward with have firstborn in it.
The last announcement hint is probably going to be either 10th or the Lion.

 Tyran wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

The Hive Mind has had dialogue in the past, it's perfectly capable of communicating with human psykers to taunt them.

No.

The Hive Mind has had the occasional POV and the occasional "protagonist suffers minor existential crisis when the Hive Mind focuses on them".

But it has never actually communicated and much less spoken.

Yes, it has. There's a short story where it has a brief psychic conversation with a Space Wolf Runepriest all the way back in 2nd ed. It's in one of the Black Library anthology books.

 Vermis wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

The Hive Mind has had dialogue in the past, it's perfectly capable of communicating with human psykers to taunt them.

Eurgh, no. It's like teasing the cheerios on your spoon before you put them in your mouth.

...you don't do that? Weirdo...

Added this to the OP:

Edit 03/13/2023

New Valrak video with a breakdown of the current state of the rumour season, as well as some new stuff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpihzucPRog

- claims he never said that the starter box will be Tyranids vs. Blood Angels
- says the whole BA rumour came from a reddit post and he only commented on it
- stuff from his sources said that it was Ultramarines vs Tyranids/Leviathan and the box is called Leviathan
- says there have been rumours for a Space Hulk box set, and we will probably get it, but 'this is not it' because Blood Angels are 'iconic' with Space Hulk
- speculates that the Tyranid in the trailer/poster is probably a new warrior model
- he has heard that Dark Angels are going to get a range refresh, separate video on that coming soon
- further speculates about the fluff text about the western fringe meaning it relates to the 10th edition box set
- says 'whispers' have told him about new Blood Angel and Space Wolf boxsets
- again says that sources he trusts say that Dante is done
- speculates that Dante may be released in a boarding patrol or sth. like that

Pretty much just a recap of stuff we know already

 xttz wrote:
Via Discord;

ClockWorkChris (who leaked CSM codex among other stuff) says that the 50 page chat log is based on real info, but not as crazy as it sounds. He believes that the log has been put through Google Translate at some point causing some things to be unclear.

Korkin (leaked Tyranid & Daemon codex details) says he cannot confirm or deny 10e rules leaks. However he's heard that "there will be something very similar" to indexes at the start of 10th, and added "I just don't like the term 'indexes' because it has a lot of connotations that come with it that aren't necessarily true". That implies whatever we get won't work the same way as the start of 8th.

Update to this, Korkin now believes the 50 page chat log is legit but "from a non-final version"

 xttz wrote:

 xttz wrote:
Via Discord;

ClockWorkChris (who leaked CSM codex among other stuff) says that the 50 page chat log is based on real info, but not as crazy as it sounds. He believes that the log has been put through Google Translate at some point causing some things to be unclear.

Korkin (leaked Tyranid & Daemon codex details) says he cannot confirm or deny 10e rules leaks. However he's heard that "there will be something very similar" to indexes at the start of 10th, and added "I just don't like the term 'indexes' because it has a lot of connotations that come with it that aren't necessarily true". That implies whatever we get won't work the same way as the start of 8th.

Update to this, Korkin now believes the 50 page chat log is legit but "from a non-final version"

Thanks, goes straight to the OP.

Gotta admit to myself, that if it is definitely 10th edition this year, it's impressive they managed to stick to 3 years per edition (including AOS) with the manufacturing and shipping disruptions the last few years.

Probably due to taking from the left to feed the right, or however that saying goes. I've been on the lookout for several kits since release with no luck, and I mean brand new stuff that they should be selling loads of right at this very minute (Sky hunters, Dorn tank, Kasrkin, Militarum CP, more besides).

So, it's "Assault on Black Reach" time again, but now just with UM Indomi termies and new nid models.

In terms of the released teaser pict, I hope that's not showing the actual model? The helmet looks a bit tall compared to the older sculpts, which are a bit more "compressed" looking. Not sure I like it tbh, but let's wait until we see the entire models.. I adore the way GW redesigned MKVI and the Land Raider Proteus (IMHO best iteration ever!), so I know they can do justice to classic designs.

I'm really keen on seeing what, if anything, is happening with the rules themselves. Roll on Adepticon! If the majority of Scaramucci rumours turn out to be correct, we're in for a real shake up

Umm what common point this has with marines vs orks box set?

Marines, box set.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/03/13/tune-in-for-next-weeks-seismic-warhammer-preview-at-adepticon/

To the surprise of no one, WarCom confirms both 40k and Kill Team content will be covered next week

 tauist wrote:
So, it's "Assault on Black Reach" time again, but now just with UM Indomi termies and new nid models.

In terms of the released teaser pict, I hope that's not showing the actual model? The helmet looks a bit tall compared to the older sculpts, which are a bit more "compressed" looking. Not sure I like it tbh, but let's wait until we see the entire models.. I adore the way GW redesigned MKVI and the Land Raider Proteus (IMHO best iteration ever!), so I know they can do justice to classic designs.

I'm really keen on seeing what, if anything, is happening with the rules themselves. Roll on Adepticon! If the majority of Scaramucci rumours turn out to be correct, we're in for a real shake up

Miss it by an edition. Should have been 4th Battle for Macragge

Ancient Otter wrote:
Gotta admit to myself, that if it is definitely 10th edition this year, it's impressive they managed to stick to 3 years per edition (including AOS) with the manufacturing and shipping disruptions the last few years.

Is that rapid turnover/life cycle something that should be applauded though?

 warboss wrote:

Ancient Otter wrote:
Gotta admit to myself, that if it is definitely 10th edition this year, it's impressive they managed to stick to 3 years per edition (including AOS) with the manufacturing and shipping disruptions the last few years.

Is that rapid turnover/life cycle something that should be applauded though?

Better than a 2 year cycle <grumbles at 6th>

Earlier editions were more in the 4-6 year range IIRC. I would prefer something longer then 3 years, but it is a nice thing if they can keep a schedule, so we know what to expect.

 xttz wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/03/13/tune-in-for-next-weeks-seismic-warhammer-preview-at-adepticon/

To the surprise of no one, WarCom confirms both 40k and Kill Team content will be covered next week

I'm glad they're sticking to their incomprehensible broadcast schedule. I'd vaguely understand it if they were (for some reason) doing a live show at the event at 10pm, but a dark-of-the-morning broadcast from Nottingham is still just bizarre. It just doesn't make sense for most of their customer base, even the ones in North America.

Voss wrote:

 xttz wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/03/13/tune-in-for-next-weeks-seismic-warhammer-preview-at-adepticon/

To the surprise of no one, WarCom confirms both 40k and Kill Team content will be covered next week

I'm glad they're sticking to their incomprehensible broadcast schedule. I'd vaguely understand it if they were (for some reason) doing a live show at the event at 10pm, but a dark-of-the-morning broadcast from Nottingham is still just bizarre. It just doesn't make sense for most of their customer base, even the ones in North America.

I think the sole reason they're doing their casts the moment the doors open at Adepticon is to preempt potato-cam pictures and half-assed reporting by clueless people from spoiling their big reveals. It may also have something to do with NDAs and being technically 'open to the public' at that moment, bit i'm talking from my behind here.

 warboss wrote:

Ancient Otter wrote:
Gotta admit to myself, that if it is definitely 10th edition this year, it's impressive they managed to stick to 3 years per edition (including AOS) with the manufacturing and shipping disruptions the last few years.

Is that rapid turnover/life cycle something that should be applauded though?

Nopes. Specially when almost 2 years of that was during covid and people could not gather or play.

Ancient Otter wrote:
Gotta admit to myself, that if it is definitely 10th edition this year, it's impressive they managed to stick to 3 years per edition (including AOS) with the manufacturing and shipping disruptions the last few years.

we will see if this works out or if stuff that was supposed to be released before 10th shows up after, and/or of there is again a delay in the faction books after release

Anyone want to try and find the community article where it said something along the lines of 8th edition being the 'last' edition of 40k, it will be an evolving rule set going forward?

If there are drastic rule changes this edition, then that original article needs to go up there with one of GW's greatest faux pas.

EDIT: Completely open to the above being some sort of Mandela effect and didn't actually happen...

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Anyone want to try and find the community article where it said something along the lines of 8th edition being the 'last' edition of 40k, it will be an evolving rule set going forward?

If there are drastic rule changes this edition, then that original article needs to go up there with one of GW's greatest faux pas.

EDIT: Completely open to the above being some sort of Mandela effect and didn't actually happen...

Maybe it's on the same webpage where Microsoft touted Windows 10 as an evergreen product as well...

All joking aside, I'm not doubting you but it's hard to keep to ideals when greed gets in the way and I personally consider any edition lifecycle of less than 4-5 years to be just that personally.


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 NAVARRO wrote:

Nopes. Specially when almost 2 years of that was during covid and people could not gather or play.

Yo, stocks gotta keep dividending and executive get bonusing pandemic or not, right? The churn must flow!

 warboss wrote:

Ancient Otter wrote:
Gotta admit to myself, that if it is definitely 10th edition this year, it's impressive they managed to stick to 3 years per edition (including AOS) with the manufacturing and shipping disruptions the last few years.

Is that rapid turnover/life cycle something that should be applauded though?

If combined with maniacal cackling, yes.

Watching GW's rules circus go round and round is free entertainment. Come on. Free stuff from GW. What's not to like?

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Anyone want to try and find the community article where it said something along the lines of 8th edition being the 'last' edition of 40k, it will be an evolving rule set going forward?

If there are drastic rule changes this edition, then that original article needs to go up there with one of GW's greatest faux pas.

EDIT: Completely open to the above being some sort of Mandela effect and didn't actually happen...

I'm fairly sure such a search is a waste of time and the last edition/living rulebook commentary at the time did not come from GW but people reading something into Chapter Approved/balance updates that GW never intended.

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Anyone want to try and find the community article where it said something along the lines of 8th edition being the 'last' edition of 40k, it will be an evolving rule set going forward?

If there are drastic rule changes this edition, then that original article needs to go up there with one of GW's greatest faux pas.

EDIT: Completely open to the above being some sort of Mandela effect and didn't actually happen...

It never actually happened. What actually happened is they called 7th edition 'the new edition' and didn't refer to it by number while ranting about FoRGing da NarRTifF!
And thus some few people assumed that a living rulebook would naturally happen and it would be the 'end of history' utopian nonsense.
Somehow the accelerated edition cycle we've seen consistently since then didn't phase them.

deano2099 wrote:
Oh yeah, it's not always going to be the best thing to do. And even if it's not GW won't always make the best decision either.

But there is a reason to do it, and the whole "don't be silly, they don't have loads of sprues sitting around in a warehouse" argument seems to come up a lot and constantly miss that.

No, I didn't miss that part; the claims are almost always that it's existing physical stock that's being used up – that's the misconception I (and I think others) were correcting. The other stuff is true but there's no real way of knowing if that's influenced choices about box contents or not, so it's not really relevant and not particularly useful in determining the likelihood a given kit is about to be replaced.

Tsagualsa wrote:

Voss wrote:

 xttz wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/03/13/tune-in-for-next-weeks-seismic-warhammer-preview-at-adepticon/

To the surprise of no one, WarCom confirms both 40k and Kill Team content will be covered next week

I'm glad they're sticking to their incomprehensible broadcast schedule. I'd vaguely understand it if they were (for some reason) doing a live show at the event at 10pm, but a dark-of-the-morning broadcast from Nottingham is still just bizarre. It just doesn't make sense for most of their customer base, even the ones in North America.

I think the sole reason they're doing their casts the moment the doors open at Adepticon is to preempt potato-cam pictures and half-assed reporting by clueless people from spoiling their big reveals. It may also have something to do with NDAs and being technically 'open to the public' at that moment, bit i'm talking from my behind here.

Exactly. There is a 8 PM to 10 PM US Central time The Warhammer Preview at Adepticon on 10/22.

Guess some people think gw should put reveals before seminar at adepticon

And people complain about american't being america centric...

tneva82 wrote:
Guess some people think gw should put reveals before seminar at adepticon

And people complain about american't being america centric...

Look, since the collapse of the Empire and Brexit, GW is all we have left. ?

Having made youtube videos, I can confirm that when you make a video and tag it as 'gaming', the first recommendation is League of Legends for some reason.

So, the Occam's Razor here is that whoever uploaded the video forgot to click a warhammer related game.

Seems like GW mistakenly leaked the next teaser themselves :

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/11qrttm/new_continuation_of_that_nid_video_dont_know_if/

 Matrindur wrote:
Seems like GW mistakenly leaked the next teaser themselves :

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/11qrttm/new_continuation_of_that_nid_video_dont_know_if/

woops.

Doesn't really show anything we didn't already know, but it is definitely an ultramarine.

Seems like the preview is at a really odd time for everyone.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Seems like the preview is at a really odd time for everyone.

GW is testing your resolve and dedication.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Seems like the preview is at a really odd time for everyone.

Not for americans.

tneva82 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Seems like the preview is at a really odd time for everyone.

Not for americans.

10pm is still a pretty weird time I'd imagine, most people won't want to start a 2 hrs stream that late as a guess

Edit: ofc that varies depending on state

Dudeface wrote:


10pm is still a pretty weird time I'd imagine, most people won't want to start a 2 hrs stream that late as a guess

These previews are normally about an hour, right? The five game systems shown seem to fit their usual blueprint: start with the Lion for 40k, 10mins chatter between the other four game reveals, then finish on 40k 10E announcement.

Still, I'm pretty happy to just be able to wake up at 7am and see all the separate articles posted without sitting through the full stream.

"Timed for after an event-only seminar so the attendees don't ruin the reveals with phone pictures" as has been sagely explained to me for questioning the incredibly dumb timing. Why those people can't be trusted not to spoil things when they're already getting a first look, or why they can't just collect phones during the seminar, or why the stream and the seminar can't be at the same time or both be at a more sensible time, who can say. We're not supposed to ask

tneva82 wrote:
Not for americans.

10pm is a weird time.

 xttz wrote:

Dudeface wrote:


10pm is still a pretty weird time I'd imagine, most people won't want to start a 2 hrs stream that late as a guess

These previews are normally about an hour, right? The five game systems shown seem to fit their usual blueprint: start with the Lion for 40k, 10mins chatter between the other four game reveals, then finish on 40k 10E announcement.

Still, I'm pretty happy to just be able to wake up at 7am and see all the separate articles posted without sitting through the full stream.

I think the on-site one is 8-10pm

Dudeface wrote:

 xttz wrote:

Dudeface wrote:


10pm is still a pretty weird time I'd imagine, most people won't want to start a 2 hrs stream that late as a guess

These previews are normally about an hour, right? The five game systems shown seem to fit their usual blueprint: start with the Lion for 40k, 10mins chatter between the other four game reveals, then finish on 40k 10E announcement.

Still, I'm pretty happy to just be able to wake up at 7am and see all the separate articles posted without sitting through the full stream.

I think the on-site one is 8-10pm

The stream usually does one reveal every 15 minutes, and streams till the list is done, usually more like 1:30, but it depends on how much they're showing, i guess it can get to 2h quite easily.

 warboss wrote:

Ancient Otter wrote:
Gotta admit to myself, that if it is definitely 10th edition this year, it's impressive they managed to stick to 3 years per edition (including AOS) with the manufacturing and shipping disruptions the last few years.

Is that rapid turnover/life cycle something that should be applauded though?

On the one hand, that's very fast. On the other hand, 9th has definitely worn out its welcome at this point.

I’m agnostic on edition churn. Not only do I not play these days, but?

On one hand, it does seem super fast. And I can well understand why folk feel frustrated/annoyed/upset that rules purchases just don’t last as long as they used to.

On the other? It seems to be lead by GW’s increased output. Seemingly gone are the days of a given army going an edition or two with no new Codex or models. Yes someone is still going to be Last Out The Gate, but that wait time is reduced all the same.

Looking across 9th as a whole? For releases and updates it’s been a pretty decent three years. Necrons, Orks, Eldar and Imperial Guard all got quite significant numbers of releases in terms of kit counts. Yes each still has needs and wants, but a solid update is still solid, even if it’s incomplete.

So I’m hopeful that 10th will do the same for other forces. Nids and Dark Eldar for instance still need Finecast to go away - and Eldar wouldn’t say no to a medium sized release updating the remaining Aspects (including the Dire Avengers, because that kit is showing it’s age!).

Not saying it’s a good or bad thing. Just presenting my thoughts for others to pick apart.

It's definitely not a genestealer:



So unless those expecting space hulk are foreseeing Ultras terminators against Gaunts, I think that's certainly not what this is for.

Looks very gaunt to me, so the fellas saying this was "at least a carnifex size" because of height whatever reasons

Yeah I’d say Gaunt.

Head plating, and I think we can see shoulder carapace as well.

 xttz wrote:

Dudeface wrote:


10pm is still a pretty weird time I'd imagine, most people won't want to start a 2 hrs stream that late as a guess

These previews are normally about an hour, right? The five game systems shown seem to fit their usual blueprint: start with the Lion for 40k, 10mins chatter between the other four game reveals, then finish on 40k 10E announcement.

Start with 15-20 minutes of chat blather, realize they're running late, and increasingly rush through releases so they (and the camera crew and support staff) can finally leave their booth and the studio at the dead of morning.

Still, I'm pretty happy to just be able to wake up at 7am and see all the separate articles posted without sitting through the full stream.

True, which begs the question why they don't just do the stream at the usual daily release time beforehand, followed by the articles and that way they don't have to worry about being 'scooped' by potato-cams at all.

The streamers aren't at Adepticon. Most of the audience isn't at Adepticon. The audience at Adepticon has presumably sat through a traditional GW seminar of non-answers to watch the same stream as everyone else at 10pm. Presumably that's engaging for someone, somewhere, but no idea why.

Ah yes spoil the reveals for the audience in advance then...

Duh. Entitlement of some people...

Time is designed around the seminar. You know? The guys paying money to go to the adepticon part of which is getting to see previews.

Lol. Seems to be too tough concept to figure out time is designed for the people actually at the adepticon. Funny that with event being ADEPTICON. Weird. Adepticon schedule made to work for adepticon.

Spoiling? This isn't a movie.

Dudeface wrote:


So unless those expecting space hulk are foreseeing Ultras terminators against Gaunts, I think that's certainly not what this is for.

Space Hulk is wishful thinking for me and I don't think that's what it is, but *if* it came back they're not just doing it as a one-and-done. They don't really do that anymore. It'd be weird to not launch it with Blood Angels vs Genestealers, but I think we'd get multiple expansion boxes with more Terminators from other legions, and more Tyranid units as enemies, along with a bunch of missions.

tneva82 wrote:
Ah yes spoil the reveals for the audience in advance then...

Duh. Entitlement of some people...

Time is designed around the seminar. You know? The guys paying money to go to the adepticon part of which is getting to see previews.

Lol. Seems to be too tough concept to figure out time is designed for the people actually at the adepticon. Funny that with event being ADEPTICON. Weird. Adepticon schedule made to work for adepticon.

No we understand we just think it's stupid. A fraction of a fraction of a percent of the audience are at Adepticon, none of the rest of us give a gak. GW encouraging people to stay up until unsociable hours is distinctly unhealthy.

Billicus wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Ah yes spoil the reveals for the audience in advance then...

Duh. Entitlement of some people...

Time is designed around the seminar. You know? The guys paying money to go to the adepticon part of which is getting to see previews.

Lol. Seems to be too tough concept to figure out time is designed for the people actually at the adepticon. Funny that with event being ADEPTICON. Weird. Adepticon schedule made to work for adepticon.

No we understand we just think it's stupid. A fraction of a fraction of a percent of the audience are at Adepticon, none of the rest of us give a gak. GW encouraging people to stay up until unsociable hours is distinctly unhealthy.

It think the various positions on this topic have now been sufficiently made clear. It is what it is, we're not gonna change it this year, if you really want to have at least a slim chance of doing anything about it write a politely-worded feedback mail to GW.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Looks very gaunt to me, so the fellas saying this was "at least a carnifex size" because of height whatever reasons

They are not the same creature. The Tyranid in the Tyranid video had spurs on the side of it's head it clearly was not any gaunt we currently know of (or indeed any Tyranid we know of). The image in the terminator's eye has no spurs on its head and looks like a gaunt.

Where did this new image come from?

Someone at GW uploaded it early and then took it down.

But the Internet is forever.

Billicus wrote:

No we understand we just think it's stupid. A fraction of a fraction of a percent of the audience are at Adepticon, none of the rest of us give a gak. GW encouraging people to stay up until unsociable hours is distinctly unhealthy.

You could...

... and hear me out here, give it a chance, crazy as this might seem...

... wait.

 oni wrote:
Where did this new image come from?

The video(really more of a GIF) was uploaded to YouTube. Usually they hide these things until ready to reveal, but if someone is quick enough they can usually get the video or a link to it before it gets hidden.

In this case, the following image was the video:

 Vermis wrote:

Billicus wrote:

No we understand we just think it's stupid. A fraction of a fraction of a percent of the audience are at Adepticon, none of the rest of us give a gak. GW encouraging people to stay up until unsociable hours is distinctly unhealthy.

You could...

... and hear me out here, give it a chance, crazy as this might seem...

... wait.

Exactly, I'm not sure "the guests at Adepticon will get the privilege of a preview under NDA and wll have recording devices confiscated as we will not be making the reveals publicly until 6pm your time zone the next day. The team will present from Nottingham 24 hour straight just to ensure none of you feel the slightest bit over entitled and forced to watch it at 3am" is healthy either.

Wait. What? You expect people to wait for their next hit of hobby fix?

Inconceivable!

Dudeface wrote:
Exactly, I'm not sure "the guests at Adepticon will get the privilege of a preview under NDA and wll have recording devices confiscated as we will not be making the reveals publicly until 6pm your time zone the next day. The team will present from Nottingham 24 hour straight just to ensure none of you feel the slightest bit over entitled and forced to watch it at 3am" is healthy either.

Yeah, that "take their phones from them!" bit was a real 'uhhh wat' moment. Not to mention... everything else.

alextroy wrote:Wait. What? You expect people to wait for their next hit of hobby fix?

Inconceivable!

It's a step. Maybe... one of twelve.

Find your higher power, people! No I don't mean Lion El'Jonson.

Mmm. 6000 attendees last year. I wouldn't want to be responsible for getting 6000 phones back to the right people afterwards...

If anybody there is under an NDA it's the staff and the people that do professional photographs for the organizer etc., i don't think an NDA for a general convention audience is even enforceable. If they did seperate entry for the Seminar and made you sign a form then maybe, idk.

But it does not really matter, time zones are just a fact of life and in this case it is literally impossible to find a time slot that pleases everybody around the world.

Tsagualsa wrote:
If anybody there is under an NDA it's the staff and the people that do professional photographs for the organizer etc., i don't think an NDA for a general convention audience is even enforceable. If they did seperate entry for the Seminar and made you sign a form then maybe, idk.

But it does not really matter, time zones are just a fact of life and in this case it is literally impossible to find a time slot that pleases everybody around the world.

I was being a bit facetious, they won't want their big reveals spoiling with hushed blurry phone shots and 2nd hand info because they chose to put it up the next day. Likewise they won't want to ruin the exclusivity of attending the event in the flesh. Simple answer is they do what they're doing and people stop moaning and just be happy they can wake up at the normal time they do and see that there's a slew of new stuff for them.

Eh, considering most of us agree that the reveal stream isn't worth watching, you're probably better off being asleep at the time and read the articles after you wake up.

Anyway, since this isn't actually the Adepticon thread, what are the odds that the second teaser gif should have gone up next Monday? Start this Monday with one side in focus, shift focus to the other side next Monday, then have a big announcement at Adepticon and actual information on 10th ed at Warhammer Fest.

 Geifer wrote:
Eh, considering most of us agree that the reveal stream isn't worth watching, you're probably better off being asleep at the time and read the articles after you wake up.

Anyway, since this isn't actually the Adepticon thread, what are the odds that the second teaser gif should have gone up next Monday? Start this Monday with one side in focus, shift focus to the other side next Monday, then have a big announcement at Adepticon and actual information on 10th ed at Warhammer Fest.

At my location the Stream will start at 4am, you can bet your ass that i'll be fast asleep

Tsagualsa wrote:
But it does not really matter, time zones are just a fact of life and in this case it is literally impossible to find a time slot that pleases everybody around the world.

Yeah, but don't you think it would make more sense to please your two biggest markets instead of... ::checks notes:: ...Japan and Australia?

I think all phones should be destroyed, damn plague.
As for the unhealthy comment, rise and shine dudes the day starts early and so should we! Specially when plastic crack is involved.

Seriously thought of all things to complain about

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
But it does not really matter, time zones are just a fact of life and in this case it is literally impossible to find a time slot that pleases everybody around the world.

Yeah, but don't you think it would make more sense to please your two biggest markets instead of... ::checks notes:: ...Japan and Australia?

Personally, i'd like for this useless discussion to be over

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
But it does not really matter, time zones are just a fact of life and in this case it is literally impossible to find a time slot that pleases everybody around the world.

Yeah, but don't you think it would make more sense to please your two biggest markets instead of... ::checks notes:: ...Japan and Australia?

Gotta give them something since they never get any stock

 Kanluwen wrote:

 oni wrote:
Where did this new image come from?

The video(really more of a GIF) was uploaded to YouTube. Usually they hide these things until ready to reveal, but if someone is quick enough they can usually get the video or a link to it before it gets hidden.

In this case, the following image was the video:

Spoiler:

Thanks.

I'm starting to think that these teasers are for the pending release of Space Marine 2 and have little to nothing to do with 10th edition.

Tsagualsa wrote:

Personally, i'd like for this useless discussion to be over

I heard the 10th edition box set will have space marines.

I won't reveal my sources.

 Vermis wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

Personally, i'd like for this useless discussion to be over

I heard the 10th edition box set will have space marines.

I won't reveal my sources.

Could you repeat that in a bizzare yorkshire accent please?

That would only make sense if the game hadn’t been revealed already and they didn’t want you to figure out it’s Space Marine II right away.

There’s no sense in using cruddy flash animations to hype up a game you already revealed and hyped up, when further advertisements for the game can be done using the game’s engine/renders/official artwork that you already paid for.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Vermis wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

Personally, i'd like for this useless discussion to be over

I heard the 10th edition box set will have space marines.

I won't reveal my sources.

Could you repeat that in a bizzare yorkshire accent please?

"Al'right peeps. I 'eard that thurr will be a release uv-a box with at least ten! Muhreens. An this box will be furr tenf edition!" - transcribed by someone not that geographically distant from Valrak.

Boarding patrols

Is the Sororitas kit the full one?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/o6SVuvpAA6PpSCEh.jpg

 oni wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 oni wrote:
Where did this new image come from?

The video(really more of a GIF) was uploaded to YouTube. Usually they hide these things until ready to reveal, but if someone is quick enough they can usually get the video or a link to it before it gets hidden.

In this case, the following image was the video:

Spoiler:

Thanks.

I'm starting to think that these teasers are for the pending release of Space Marine 2 and have little to nothing to do with 10th edition.

Just no. The game's been revealed and hyped; and if it were for the game, they wouldn't include a Terminator.

JWBS wrote:
Boarding patrols

Is the Sororitas kit the full one?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/o6SVuvpAA6PpSCEh.jpg

I don't think those are the Army Box models.

General question.

I've been tempted by Thousand Sons as a painting project for a while. Is that set worth dipping into?

 alphaecho wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Boarding patrols

Is the Sororitas kit the full one?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/o6SVuvpAA6PpSCEh.jpg

I don't think those are the Army Box models.

General question.

I've been tempted by Thousand Sons as a painting project for a while. Is that set worth dipping into?

Yes. Rubrics are pretty darn good (especially with Warpflamers!) and Thousand Sons Spawn are frickin' awesome.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 alphaecho wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Boarding patrols

Is the Sororitas kit the full one?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/o6SVuvpAA6PpSCEh.jpg

I don't think those are the Army Box models.

General question.

I've been tempted by Thousand Sons as a painting project for a while. Is that set worth dipping into?

Yes. Rubrics are pretty darn good (especially with Warpflamers!) and Thousand Sons Spawn are frickin' awesome.

Well, thanks for costing me some money!

 alphaecho wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Boarding patrols

Is the Sororitas kit the full one?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/o6SVuvpAA6PpSCEh.jpg

I don't think those are the Army Box models.

Correct. Those are the full multipart kits for Repentia, Sisters, Celestians and Canoness.

That Sisters box is quite good, given they're the full kits. Compliments the Army Box models from the Combat Patrol.

(GW, I really do think most of these Boarding Patrol boxes would be quite good as something other than a splash release that lasts twenty minutes?)

If the custodes had the blade champion instead of trajan, I would pick it up. Custodes need a generic shield captain clampack of some sort.

Sisters boarding patrol seems like a good addition to my pile of boxes of future sisters army.

 Vermis wrote:

Billicus wrote:

No we understand we just think it's stupid. A fraction of a fraction of a percent of the audience are at Adepticon, none of the rest of us give a gak. GW encouraging people to stay up until unsociable hours is distinctly unhealthy.

You could...

... and hear me out here, give it a chance, crazy as this might seem...

... wait.

Good time to sleep and check all at once.

But lol at entitlement of people. Others pay to get to see seminar and gw should devalue that for sake of entitled whiners. Lol. Timn is always bad for somebody. Uk friendly time zones are bad for others. Deal with it. Don't act like a baby and demand every preview suited to you. Or pay for preview like people at adepticons are doing.

And if billicus thinks us has only fraction of target group he needs to go back to math school.

Billicus wrote:
"Timed for after an event-only seminar so the attendees don't ruin the reveals with phone pictures" as has been sagely explained to me for questioning the incredibly dumb timing. Why those people can't be trusted not to spoil things when they're already getting a first look, or why they can't just collect phones during the seminar, or why the stream and the seminar can't be at the same time or both be at a more sensible time, who can say. We're not supposed to ask

1) People love to be the person in the know. They'll repost rumors from other sites just to be the "first" to do it.
2) Collecting phones is a huge pain in the ass and it's the venue that has to do it, which would require more money and staff.
3) People live in different time zones. Putting the show at 10 means the west coast is seeing it at 7. This an event in the US, after all. If you want reveals to happen at an event in the UK then get a big enough one that falls far enough from the others and convince GW.


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Billicus wrote:
No we understand we just think it's stupid. A fraction of a fraction of a percent of the audience are at Adepticon, none of the rest of us give a gak. GW encouraging people to stay up until unsociable hours is distinctly unhealthy.

This is a perk for attendees to draw more people to attend. People at the venue are participating in other activities during the day.

Plus, by waiting, you can absorb all the information in about 10 minutes, versus the 60 minutes of waffling that the presenters go on.

It's always amazing how cheap and scroogy every single Custode box looks. Not only it's always the same infantry unit (when the bathrobe Custodes cost the same and would increase the appeal by a lot by not being endless repeat) but the 'value' is always below other faction boxes. A whole 9 models, would it kill GW to include another character or 6 termies at least?

drbored wrote:
Plus, by waiting, you can absorb all the information in about 10 minutes, versus the 60 minutes of waffling that the presenters go on.

Yeah, this. Pointless bla bla when everyone wants to see new minis.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Billicus wrote:
"Timed for after an event-only seminar so the attendees don't ruin the reveals with phone pictures" as has been sagely explained to me for questioning the incredibly dumb timing. Why those people can't be trusted not to spoil things when they're already getting a first look, or why they can't just collect phones during the seminar, or why the stream and the seminar can't be at the same time or both be at a more sensible time, who can say. We're not supposed to ask

1) People love to be the person in the know. They'll repost rumors from other sites just to be the "first" to do it.
2) Collecting phones is a huge pain in the ass and it's the venue that has to do it, which would require more money and staff.
3) People live in different time zones. Putting the show at 10 means the west coast is seeing it at 7. This an event in the US, after all. If you want reveals to happen at an event in the UK then get a big enough one that falls far enough from the others and convince GW.


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Billicus wrote:
No we understand we just think it's stupid. A fraction of a fraction of a percent of the audience are at Adepticon, none of the rest of us give a gak. GW encouraging people to stay up until unsociable hours is distinctly unhealthy.

This is a perk for attendees to draw more people to attend. People at the venue are participating in other activities during the day.

Why is any of that GW's problem though? Such that they should completely goof up important product reveals for it? Are the Adepticon organisers paying GW?

Billicus wrote:


Why is any of that GW's problem though? Such that they should completely goof up important product reveals for it? Are the Adepticon organisers paying GW?

Once again i ask you nicely to keep this discussion out of this thread. If you absolutely have to have it, go to the Adepticon thread.

tneva82 wrote:


But lol at entitlement of people. Others pay to get to see seminar and gw should devalue that for sake of entitled whiners. Lol. Timn is always bad for somebody. Uk friendly time zones are bad for others. Deal with it. Don't act like a baby and demand every preview suited to you. Or pay for preview like people at adepticons are doing.

And if billicus thinks us has only fraction of target group he needs to go back to math school.

And you need to go back to "reading school" because I said a fraction of the audience are *at Adepticon*, not "in the US". Also math school / reading school are just school for what that's worth. It isn't entitled whining, I never watch the UK streams either, I just think it's a dumb move for GW to announce products when most of the market for those products are asleep / adapt their schedule to cater for a tiny group of people at Adepticon. Call me a baby if you like, from my POV you seem to be misconstruing the point out of a sense of defensiveness, but personal attacks are beneath me so I won't go there


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Tsagualsa wrote:

Billicus wrote:


Why is any of that GW's problem though? Such that they should completely goof up important product reveals for it? Are the Adepticon organisers paying GW?

Once again i ask you nicely to keep this discussion out of this thread. If you absolutely have to have it, go to the Adepticon thread.

I think if people reply to me I have the right of reply unless a mod steps in.

As i said, i am asking nicely, not giving you orders.


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Valrak did a new video previewing Adepticon, and i have to say if only half of it becomes true that is gonna be the wildest preview show in years:

Edit 03/15/2023

New Video with stuff, mostly predicting what will be revealed at Adepticon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFPkUt7_MXY

- The next big Kill Team box will be Votann vs. Beastmen according to sources he trusts
- 'So much more stuff' is coming for KT, Eldar, Space Marines etc.
- Campaign book 'Cthonia' coming for HH, campaign involving Sons of Horus and Imperial Fists
- Tank commander models for the legions
- Forge World Knights going plastic according to sources he trusts
- 'Maybe' hints at Epic as Horus Heresy Epic
- Epic coming at the end of the year according to sources he highly trusts
- Adeptus Titanicus titans and Aeronautica planes are going to be wrapped into Epic
- Age of Sigmar: Cities of Sigmar are getting a box set reveal
- Blablabla the Lion is coming reiterated for the n-th time
- Dante speculated to be revealed at Adepticon
- More boarding patrols: Agents of the Imperium, Nurgle
- Maybe a trailer for the CGI trailer for 10th edition

Shadow Walker wrote:
Yeah, this. Pointless bla bla when everyone wants to see new minis.

To be frank, that's my problem with this whole topic: 5% news and 95% 'rumours'. Bilicus at least provides a slightly more entertaining strain of 'pointless discussion'.

Not altogether interested in the new photos this time. The thousand sons are a nice shade of turquoise, I guess.

Whilst I'm not advocating for the churn of rumours (seems pointless to me), I'm surprised that anyone could think one guy's complaints about a webinar being hosted too late for him to catch live have any value whatsoever

Very random and unlikely theory, based on someone stating the Nid head (first tease) looked like a marine helmet. Y’know how some camouflaging animals can also manipulate their skin texture and shape to better fit their surroundings, can a Lictor do the same thing.
As I said unlikely as why would it try to look like a giant Marine.

Really hope "Beastmen" doesn't mean another separate chaos faction codex. I can see most of that stuff being revealed in the adepticon stream except for the Epic stuff, that feels like its own event (assuming they're going to support it with models and it isn't just a book release for owners of Titanicus and Aeronautica collections, which is a big assumption)

Billicus wrote:
Really hope "Beastmen" doesn't mean another separate chaos faction codex. I can see most of that stuff being revealed in the adepticon stream except for the Epic stuff, that feels like its own event (assuming they're going to support it with models and it isn't just a book release for owners of Titanicus and Aeronautica collections, which is a big assumption)

Beastmen in 40k are not even necessarily chaos, there are both sanctioned Beastmen and beastmen penal legions in the imperial forces.

Tsagualsa wrote:

Billicus wrote:
Really hope "Beastmen" doesn't mean another separate chaos faction codex. I can see most of that stuff being revealed in the adepticon stream except for the Epic stuff, that feels like its own event (assuming they're going to support it with models and it isn't just a book release for owners of Titanicus and Aeronautica collections, which is a big assumption)

Beastmen in 40k are not even necessarily chaos, there are both sanctioned Beastmen and beastmen penal legions in the imperial forces.

It doesn't, but we had heard previously that they were Khornate, so I expect they will get a datasheet and be put into the WE.

I literally had a half written post last night guessing that the Kill Team would be Beastmen versus Votann (as an upgrade sprue), but I fell asleep before posting it. Still, good to know my instincts on that aren't totally off.

Tsagualsa wrote:

Billicus wrote:
Really hope "Beastmen" doesn't mean another separate chaos faction codex. I can see most of that stuff being revealed in the adepticon stream except for the Epic stuff, that feels like its own event (assuming they're going to support it with models and it isn't just a book release for owners of Titanicus and Aeronautica collections, which is a big assumption)

Beastmen in 40k are not even necessarily chaos, there are both sanctioned Beastmen and beastmen penal legions in the imperial forces.

Yep, they're just another abhuman. Hence my hope

 The Phazer wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

Billicus wrote:
Really hope "Beastmen" doesn't mean another separate chaos faction codex. I can see most of that stuff being revealed in the adepticon stream except for the Epic stuff, that feels like its own event (assuming they're going to support it with models and it isn't just a book release for owners of Titanicus and Aeronautica collections, which is a big assumption)

Beastmen in 40k are not even necessarily chaos, there are both sanctioned Beastmen and beastmen penal legions in the imperial forces.

It doesn't, but we had heard previously that they were Khornate, so I expect they will get a datasheet and be put into the WE.

I literally had a half written post last night guessing that the Kill Team would be Beastmen versus Votann (as an upgrade sprue), but I fell asleep before posting it. Still, good to know my instincts on that aren't totally off.

It would certainly match GW's current approach of viewing the Votann as Imperium-adjacent better than having Imperial Beastmen vs. Votann

I'm most interested in the Epic rumours, they come pretty much out of the left field, but imho Epic with an 30k setting and current-day production technology is a huge opportunity to deliver stunning visuals and a 'true' representation of the 30k feeling on the tabletop.

Kill team Votann vs Beastmen could turn out to be quite cool. Most KT teams look amazing sculpt wise. Not to keen on the beastmen from the Blackstone Fortress, I think with minimal kit bashes you could come up with something way better.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Kill team Votann vs Beastmen could turn out to be quite cool. Most KT teams look amazing sculpt wise. Not to keen on the beastmen from the Blackstone Fortress, I think with minimal kit bashes you could come up with something way better.

Beastmen have a lot of variety, it could be everything from the pretty basic BSF beastmen to the excellent AOS Slaangor. I don't like the Tzaangor too much, but they demonstrate the variations the beastmen concept could take nicely. Perhaps they use this kit to give us proper Khorngors? Anyway, they have the potential to be great.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Kill team Votann vs Beastmen could turn out to be quite cool. Most KT teams look amazing sculpt wise. Not to keen on the beastmen from the Blackstone Fortress, I think with minimal kit bashes you could come up with something way better.

Beastmen have a lot of variety, it could be everything from the pretty basic BSF beastmen to the excellent AOS Slaangor. I don't like the Tzaangor too much, but they demonstrate the variations the beastmen concept could take nicely. Perhaps they use this kit to give us proper Khorngors? Anyway, they have the potential to be great.

Pestigors! Now that would be so nice!

Only if they look nothing like the weird blood bowl pestigor.

I'll be interested to see what the Votann upgrade sprue offers as the kit is pretty full as it is.

On Epic- cool as long as it evolves from30k to 40k - I want my Epic scale Votann!

 silverstu wrote:
I'll be interested to see what the Votann upgrade sprue offers as the kit is pretty full as it is.

On Epic- cool as long as it evolves from30k to 40k - I want my Epic scale Votann!

Depending on how they go about it, a second edition of Epic 30k could start with an 'Ullanor' box and introduce Orks

 GaroRobe wrote:
Only if they look nothing like the weird blood bowl pestigor.

Never understood those BB models they are so weird that resemble something more like chaos spawns than anything else.

On the other hand the old WFB metal pestigors concept has so much potential for a 40k version.
They did great with Kroots and Commandos KT so I have high hopes for whats to come.

Regarding Votann maybe they just use the regular troops kit since they already have medic, comns, pistols, cc etc Plenty options.
I hope they do an all new kit though we need more kits for Votann.

Given GW's bit on Titans and Epic today I can definitely believe the Epic rumor.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/03/15/40-years-of-warhammer-clash-of-the-warlord-titans

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Given GW's bit on Titans and Epic today I can definitely believe the Epic rumor.

It's certainly a lot of coincidences between the main page suddenly mentioning Epic by name, some of the rumourmongers spouting off about Epic, and their semi-official influencers also discovering their nostalgia for a product that has been out of production for close to two decades all at once.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Given GW's bit on Titans and Epic today I can definitely believe the Epic rumor.

It's certainly a lot of coincidences between the main page suddenly mentioning Epic by name, some of the rumourmongers spouting off about Epic, and their semi-official influencers also discovering their nostalgia for a product that has been out of production for close to two decades all at once.

If they really want to troll the community, then they better release Lion'el jonson for Epic.

 Theophony wrote:

If they really want to troll the community, then they better release Lion'el jonson for Epic.

It would be (in)glorious

I can understand combining it with Titanicus, but with Aeronautica that then means close to half the range would just be dropped if the game is Horus Heresy themed.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I can understand combining it with Titanicus, but with Aeronautica that then means close to half the range would just be dropped if the game is Horus Heresy themed.

Probably just because the models already exists, you'd not want additional plane models at a slightly different scale.

 deathstalker013 wrote:
Very random and unlikely theory, based on someone stating the Nid head (first tease) looked like a marine helmet. Y’know how some camouflaging animals can also manipulate their skin texture and shape to better fit their surroundings, can a Lictor do the same thing.
As I said unlikely as why would it try to look like a giant Marine.

For the big reveal when 'The Lion' turns out to be a big Mimic Lictor luring in prey. All primarch from the front, but a 360 spin reveals the bug behind it.

Has this thread now become a "40k general news rumors thread"?
It would actually be a good idea to have such a thread since the "new marine boxed set" thread that evolved in to 40k general is not really active now.

 Fayric wrote:
Has this thread now become a "40k general news rumors thread"?
It would actually be a good idea to have such a thread since the "new marine boxed set" thread that evolved in to 40k general is not really active now.

Nah - i'm fine with having one or the other side-rumour from our main sources to better track accuracy and so on, but it's not the 'everything 40k' thread The current plan is stil to close this one after 10th edition is released and do a post-season summary. I'm not averse to open another thread after that, but for now this one is not supposed to run on forever.

 Fayric wrote:
Has this thread now become a "40k general news rumors thread"?
It would actually be a good idea to have such a thread since the "new marine boxed set" thread that evolved in to 40k general is not really active now.

As GW isn't doing a big release of 10th until mid year there will always reach a point at which the rumours have kind of reached a peak of everyone having seen enough of them and the official news not yet coming out. The dolldrums of random topics that will keep the thread on life support until actual news appears ( by which point we'll likely start a whole new thread as this one will be a rambling monster)

 Overread wrote:

 Fayric wrote:
Has this thread now become a "40k general news rumors thread"?
It would actually be a good idea to have such a thread since the "new marine boxed set" thread that evolved in to 40k general is not really active now.

As GW isn't doing a big release of 10th until mid year there will always reach a point at which the rumours have kind of reached a peak of everyone having seen enough of them and the official news not yet coming out. The dolldrums of random topics that will keep the thread on life support until actual news appears ( by which point we'll likely start a whole new thread as this one will be a rambling monster)

I suppose that we'll have about 150 pages at the end of july, perhaps even 200, and that's probably close to what we can have before the thread collapses under its own weight - the OP is already not easy to edit, i have to remove nested quotes and spoilers to prevent it from breaking. So either way this thread will have to end at the start of autumn at the latest.

I predict it will end when 10th actually gets official news as then it will be easier to start fresh with official news than having to sift through pages of rumours and editing the first post to divide rumour from fact and such.


Depending how much info GW roll out there might be a bit of overlap if their early info is really short or teaser style; but as soon as we get a meaty chunk of info I predict a shift .

 Overread wrote:
I predict it will end when 10th actually gets official news as then it will be easier to start fresh with official news than having to sift through pages of rumours and editing the first post to divide rumour from fact and such.


Depending how much info GW roll out there might be a bit of overlap if their early info is really short or teaser style; but as soon as we get a meaty chunk of info I predict a shift .

That's fine by me

A few weeks of overlap will not hurt, it should not be overly complicated to port the relevant news that fall into this period over as the 'seed' for the next general rumours thread, it's basically what i do with the thematic summaries at the end of the OP anyway.

By the time we get official previews for 10th the 'professional' rumour-persons will have glommed on to the next thing anyway, probably the SM codes, Nid codex or SM chapter supplements.

It's interesting to consider how ~10 years ago specialist games felt like a dying branch/strategy of Games Workshop, and now, within a year or two, we could see 40K, Epic, Necromunda, Kill Team, HH, TOW, AoS, BB and War Cry all thriving concurrently.

edit: forgot Horus Heresy. So many damn games!

 Altruizine wrote:
It's interesting to consider how ~10 years ago specialist games felt like a dying branch/strategy of Games Workshop, and now, within a year or two, we could see 40K, Epic, Necromunda, Kill Team, HH, TOW, AoS, BB and War Cry all thriving concurrently.

edit: forgot Horus Heresy. So many damn games!

And their various boxed games like BSF, Cursed City etc., which would be thriving if you could actually buy them

Yup, those too! Although I was deliberately dis-including them to focus on what I consider "full-fledged" games. Which is something I haven't worked up a definition for, but is probably highly-dependant on the concept of 'factions' and there being multiple to choose from.

Oh wow, Epic would be immense. Ever since they released Titanicus and AI; I've always suspected that Epic would eventually be on the cards, but I'd sort of given it up for lost. I'd love to see Epic again.

On the other hand, The Old World is due at some point too - this is a lot of things for them to juggle.

 Gen.Steiner wrote:

On the other hand, The Old World is due at some point too - this is a lot of things for them to juggle.

On the one hand that's true, but on the other there's also to consider that they need a constant churn to keep the numbers up, and they can only do so many 'Primaris'-ifications of existing ranges before that too runs stale and they need to introduce either new games or new factions. And who knows what they're planning with the boxed-game slots that had been occupied by e.g. BSF or Cursed City. It's all pretty opaque right now, we just don't know.

There's an alleged leaked picture of Dante's new model. Looks very cool.

Shame it's not a Dreadnought.

The back story the leaker told is that a random person got sent a Dante instead of their actual order...

I guess we get another emergency GW reveal tomorrow lol...

Oh that looks like a cool ass model - I really like that update. It keeps the style of the original and for once I can't complain about the Tactical Rock

Not a single Mk X armor piece in sight. Delicious.

Now give us proper scaled Astorath.

Yeah the more I look at it the more I like it. Dante and Azrael both great updates.

The dude who got it also made pictures of the back, his jumppack is clearly the same one we saw in the Space Marine 2 trailer.

He posted a video of it in a Blood Angels Facebook group as well.

 TalonZahn wrote:
He posted a video of it in a Blood Angels Facebook group as well.

You should probably save that if you can, apparently Reddit is already exterminating the pictures. In other news, at least one other person claims to also have received a Dante instead of a Cpt. Messinus they ordered, and a third one now claims to have obtained the Lion in the same way

 Gen.Steiner wrote:
Oh that looks like a cool ass model - I really like that update. It keeps the style of the original and for once I can't complain about the Tactical Rock

Yeah, with Jet pack type models, the practicality of a tactical rock over a flight stand wins out. I've converted a primaris scale death company chaplain using the reiver Lt to get a similar pose as Dante's

Tsagualsa wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:
He posted a video of it in a Blood Angels Facebook group as well.

You should probably save that if you can, apparently Reddit is already exterminating the pictures. In other news, at least one other person claims to also have received a Dante instead of a Cpt. Messinus they ordered, and a third one now claims to have obtained the Lion in the same way

Captain Mess, I assume.

Nice pose, and the armour is great in that it looks nothing like primaris armour. But current model trends are still there.

has a tactical rock.

has a terrible looking face (even though he's wearing a helmet!)

People getting the wrong products must be down to the new automated warehouse, which by all accounts is worse than using grots. They should get the mail order trolls back.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Shame it's not a Dreadnought.

They couldn't do that, since Primaris Dreadnoughts burn out the pilots pretty quickly and I doubt they'd put him in an older chasis. Not sure Dante has that much fight left in him

Okay, now a second user who has gotten the new Dante by accident sent in proof pictures. Hilarious

 GaroRobe wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Shame it's not a Dreadnought.

They couldn't do that, since Primaris Dreadnoughts burn out the pilots pretty quickly and I doubt they'd put him in an older chasis. Not sure Dante has that much fight left in him

Never said anything about a Redemptor. Just that he could have been a Dreadnought.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:
He posted a video of it in a Blood Angels Facebook group as well.

You should probably save that if you can, apparently Reddit is already exterminating the pictures. In other news, at least one other person claims to also have received a Dante instead of a Cpt. Messinus they ordered, and a third one now claims to have obtained the Lion in the same way

Deleted the second I went back to grab the link, lol....

The Valrak stream has the pics of the model painted up, and from multiple angles

https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377926-dante-leak/ More pics here

Tsagualsa wrote:
...a third one now claims to have obtained the Lion in the same way

Pics or it didn't happen