Ahah - I didn't come up with a good substitute for Spanish when I was typing that

Thanks fellas.
Vik, you're a DCM!- when did that happen? Belated welcome to the Elite!

Hey, don't be cutting up any Mordians I might be trying to buy. I still need to get a squad of them.

You missed his welcome thread in the mosh pit Dave?

OK, don't cut up any Mordians that Valhalla's looking at. (Have we got a Mordian220 on Dakka who wants Valhallans?)

Dr H wrote:^ beat me to that Vik

LOL!!!

dsteingass wrote:Thanks fellas.
Vik, you're a DCM!- when did that happen? Belated welcome to the Elite!

thank you dave! and it was a birthday present of shrike.... now i need to get me some spare time to really enjoy that for real!^^

I hear all kind of freaky gak happens in DCM land? lots of leather and glass coffee table type stuff! maybe even a bath full of custard a wetsuit and a shaved ferret?

aye... that totaly correct! better join now

Woh sounds like the place I've been dreaming about

 Rogue Wolves wrote:
Woh sounds like the place I've been dreaming about

soho?

Anyways fellas, I'm going to call this one finished!












Thanks for listening, Chiiiildren!

Gotta say, you made me more of a fan of the malc. Still not a Dan of space Brits, if I'm honest.

Sweet! Quality malc there Dave, some great weathering, and good choice of vehicle number too

Yeah WM, never saw you as a Dan

Thanks WM! I think it's because FW made this great tank, then only markets it for "second line defenses and renegade militias" -It's 100x better than the new crappy Russ kit IMHO.

Thanks Monkey! The number is, of course a reference to Douglas Adams

Great weathering on that tank, Dave. And I love the redcoat!

Thanks Merlin! Much appreciated!

Outstanding! Now that looks a tank in need of a fresh paint job! excellent weathering of sand storm blasted paint!

Thanks Shas! If anyone would be kind enough to vote for the images, I'd appreciate it as always.

Wait, these images can be voted on??? Gosh!

I post the completed pics here on Dakka due to popular demand, (and the nifty auto-fix option) but my WIPs are usually quicker just to upload to photobucket.

Ok voted for them
It would however be easier if you had arranged all those pics as one (simply stack them up in photoshop or something)

I'd call that a jolly spiffing job. Well done old chap.

 monkeytroll wrote:
You missed his welcome thread in the mosh pit Dave?

OK, don't cut up any Mordians that Valhalla's looking at. (Have we got a Mordian220 on Dakka who wants Valhallans?)

Hah! Nah, my IG army has been in progress since 2000. I started with Valhallans, but I recently decided I also wanted a squad of each of the metal models. Or at least the Praetorians and Mordians. I think the Tallarn would look out of place with the winter soldiers. And then I'm getting a squad of Squats to round it out. I also have a penal squad made up of Necromunda figures and a couple of old Rogue Trader mercs led by the new Arbites leader model. Painting them has never really gotten off the ground. I jsut can't sit down and do one thing long enough to finish anything. Not to mention that I now wnat to strip and repaint all my old models. Or... maybe just rebase them. I did manage to get 30 models painted up and they would disappear into the sea of troopers pretty well I think...


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Oh, and fantastic Malc, dsteingass. Very well done.

Thanks Valhalla! - I've got a few old Mordians, Tallarns, Steel Legion and Valhallans (you can still buy them all from GW Specialist games part of the website btw), but I never got any Praetorians or Vostroyans in metal. Like you, I just wanted a squad or at least one of each pose.

Oh, yeah.. I had a squad of Steel Legion that was stolen from me. I'd like to replace them too. So... add that squad in too. lol

You would think Vostroyans would fit right in, but I really don't like them. Although... originally I didn't like Mordians and now i think they're super neat.

I never finished painting my Steel Legion because I never found the heavy bolter or lascannon teams for some reason. I got a few Missile Launcher teams, but never found the other HW teams.

And now onto my favorite subject..TOOLS
specifically, the infamous $8 airbrush




It has a nice heft to it, at first I was afraid the action was a bit clunky, but it turns out it just needed broken down, disassembled and set-up properly.
It's a high quality machined aluminum, not cast pot metal like one moronic internet reviewer wrote. I'm also surprised at the high quality of the Chrome plating, inside and out.

The color cup is rounded on the bottom, not beveled, and not flat, so paint should flow nicely in theory

The needle protector is nice and deep, so there shouldn't be any real chance of bending the needle accidentally when working or when backflushing the tool while cleaning.

Another feature, that is much different than my Badger Airbrushes, is the brass nozzle. On my Badgers, this is not threaded at all, it is just friction-mounted. On this brush, everything else is tool-less except the nozzle, it uses this funny-looking wrench.

Here you can see the spray regulator housing is universal for all 3 needle/nozzle sizes that fit this airbrush. This is the .3mm needle/nozzle tip, it also supports a smaller .2mm, and a larger .5mm needle/nozzle combo if so desired.

This little set screw on the bottom fits into a groove in the spring assembly to help you tighten the spring tension. On my Badger brushes, this feature is another knurled adjuster ring on the spring assembly itself. Not wrong, just different
Now I am anxious to try spraying, it has definitely exceeded my expectations so far.

I had almost the exact same airbrush

Its a great little workhorse, did crumble and die after a year of frequent use though.

At $8, I think I'm ok with that
What do you mean crumble and die? What broke?
I ruin at least one Badger needle a month myself, I couldn't imagine one needle lasting a whole year.
At this price, I could easily buy a bunch of them, teach a class or something, and give an AB to every student, or just give it to someone to learn with or get started airbrushing. There is a lot of general airbrush advice out there on the web, in books and magazines, but I'd say 90% of it is irrelevant to hobbyists lie us. We waste so much time reading about single action, external mix, siphon feed, etc. That crap is useless for our scale. Hobbyists are going to be dissapointed and frustrated if they spend $100+ on something that is unusable. Double action, gravity feed, needle limiter are the most useful features for our hobby, everything else is just noise we don't need or want.


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The way I see it, it's a lot like playing the Piano or the Guitar, you really NEED the instrument first in order to learn how to play it.


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DOH! My Badger Ab hose fitting is too small!! I need a fitting before I can test it.

This guy's review of the G22 points to the strange O-ring behind the nozzle as it's biggest weakness
https://sites.google.com/site/donsairbrushtips/master-g22

Comparison shot

I couldnt work it out, it was puzzling, just gave up the ghost one day. I think its to be expected eventually with a cheap airbrush though.

It served me damn well though, painted my titan with that little sucker

I love titans, but I could only own a Warlord titan, and that would be much too big. I do plan to buy the Epic model of it one day though.

Titans are never too big! Do it do it It only takes up ~3 cubic feet

Well I went and found a $4 adaptor to fit it, and did some test spraying.

I'm sad to report that while it sprays a very nice fine line, the needle limiter is ..OK, not very accurate, but it works, the worst part is the trigger..when you let go of the trigger it is supposed to stop airflow, this one sticks, keeps a slight air flow until you pull up on the trigger slightly. I am sad. I suppose it'll be good for primer coats, basecoats, washes, and other general dirty work.

Ah thats a shame Would make painting detail mind destroyingly frustrating id imagine

Well, the paint flow isn't on, just the airflow, just annoying.

Hey, don't be sad For $12 you have a spare for those jobs like priming etc that you mention, it's sounds pretty good for that price - what does that silly GW thingy go for?


Is there a chance to adjust the tension on the trigger? Swap out a spring or something similar?

I's in the valve that is attached to the trigger..a strange design, I must admit, Badger has much better/simpler parts design, I've read that this is a copy of the Iwata CS, so I'd assume the Iwata is designed similarly. maybe a seal or tiny O-ring or something..


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Remember, I ordered two of these airbrushes, so I swapped the valve assembly from the other - Works a treat now boss

..And now for an actual paint test



Metallics are a bitch with any airbrush I've ever tried them with, this one is no exception



Much better control now.

Voted on the top one, gave 10-10 all across the board

Thanks Shas! Appreciate it!

enough playing for tonight.
Bottom line: I wouldn't recommend this as your first airbrush, funny little problems could discourage you, but for the price, buy a spare for parts and enjoy

Dave, any of these suitable for my stuff? I'm still really not very bright when it comes to working out what will fit scale wise! I see some with the O but not sure if it's the part number? I figure as you have a history of working with this you may shed some light for me?
http://www.modeltrainstuff.com/Stairs-Ladders-Railing-s/3244.htm


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Oh just found this too lol! thought of you! Awwwwww :-)
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Praetorian-Imperial-Guard-Lascannon-Team-/330827792863?pt=AU_Miniatures&hash=item4d06df81df

Dude, Z, N, and HO stairs are tiny- you need O or about 1:48 scale.
Styrene is what we usually use, but PLastruct also makes things in ABS (LEGO-like plastic), which are stronger and they always mold ABS in Dark Grey.

Mind you, these stairs look correctly to scale to our minis, but a mini with a base can't stand on a step. If you wan that functionality for games, you almost need to scratchbuild the stairs, but they will look funny next to these.

Great looking wall, Dave! Just out of interest, how long did that take you, start to finish?

I'm really close to picking up an airbrush - they seem to have such great potential, and so many techniques almost require them... Could you please talk me out of buying one? I'm super jealous of your badgers, but there must be a serious downside, or everyone would be using them

Thanks Scarp, well according to the timestamps of the posts less than 3 hours including modest dry time between coats.

Well, you want to get a brand that you can source parts locally if possible, otherwise you should stock up on extra needles and nozzles. Nothing sucks worse than bending a needle mid-project. You should always buy the best airbrush you can afford, and I realize now why everyone talks about having a backup airbrush too. The top brands are Badger, and Paasche made in the US, Iwata is Japanese, and Grex is made in Taiwan. I would avoid Testors/Aztek, they just seem cheap. The part that sucks the most about choosing an airbrush is there is no way to try them before you buy them. At GenCon, Grex was the only company there offering hands-on testing. You also really need to hold the thing in your hand. I know it sounds funny, but better quality airbrushes really do just "feel" better in your hand, they have a heft to them. This Master is sort of front-heavy, you want a nice heavy metal handle to balance that weight when you paint. The real trade-off when using a "detail" airbrush like my Badger renegade Krome is the needle/nozzle size. The smaller the needle/nozzle, the finer line you can spray,but that requires more careful paint manipulation with thinner. Vallejo Air paints are pre-thinned with high pigment, but with my Renegade with it's .3mm needle, I still need to add a few drops of acrylic thinner. To use it straight from the bottle, I need to use my "general purpose" airbrush, my Badger Patriot 105. Look at the needles and nozzles

Renegade Ultra-fine on top
Patriot GP on bottom
See how not just the point of the needle matters, but also the taper, length of taper, and how much opening you get when the trigger pulls the needle back and creates that opening in the tip.

It's not that there is something wrong because not everyone uses a Badger, it's just that I can e-mail the CEO of the company with questions and he will reply personally every time. And us wargamers are a market that Airbrush makers don't really know about.

Interesting to see the parts of the airbrush exposed.

It all seemed so complicated to me when I started, A clog would baffle and frustrate me, the more I learn about the innards, the more confident I am using the tool.

Dave, thanks for the actual images! 1:48 or O scale, I was looking for O scale but wasn't sure about the numerical translation into correct sizes for gaming, I only want them for aesthetics so models won't be standing on them, I can find a bunch of online places to get them but just wasn't sure when I was bombarded by pages and pages of numbers and plastic tubes, strips and doodads! :-)

Yep! There are a lot of doodads for sure

I've never painted a figure with the Renegade detail airbrush, so that's what I did to Col. Schaeffer.



From there, I used a trusty old brush. It really did speed up painting





It's about time, I've had this mini for at least 5-6 years now

Ah, Col. Schaefer. Yes, that man needs to be colored up!

Just needs the end of the cigar lit now.

For shame! I expected you to be highlighting with the AB

Always good to get the early steps out of the way faster

IIRC my Schaeffer is primed with one blue shoulder pad, and had been since before I moved to the boat, so 6+ years now


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And nerdfest, why the confusion - get them all

The downsides of using an airbrush:

1) Cost. Really, your first airbrush is going to cost around $300 for something of good quality. And you really don't want to skimp, here. Brush, compressor, some spare repair bits. Once you get over this initial hurdle...

2) "Brushes". It costs $20 to buy a good sable brush. It costs $100+ to buy a good airbrush. And you're going to want a general purpose airbrush and a fine detail airbrush.

3) Learning curve. It takes time and practice. Not a lot, if you sit down and just play with the airbrush. But there's definitely a curve. Just like any other skill.

4) Modification to your paint area. You need to be able to put down an airbrush station. It can be nothing more than a cardboard box you've cut open, but you really need a place you can spray without covering your work area with a fine mist. People who do a lot of airbrushing, or use more toxic paints, build a fan and exhaust port, right below the main port.

You'll also want thinner, maybe consider pre-mixed paints (because mixing is a pain in the arse). Definitely a painting mask ($30) to avoid breathing in fine particulate matter.

On top of all of this, you'll still need regular ole' brushes and paint. Unless you become a true airbrush master, and those people are ka-razy.

--B.

Good points, but when you only use acrylics, no special area or venting is needed, I just put up a board and take it down- takes 2 seconds.


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I'd like to officially announce the return to Necromunda, as my FLGS is starting a Munda tournament in Dec. and I'm very excited about it.

I came to truly value my airbrush when painting marines. It got to the point where i could do one marine in 15 minutes (including hand brush work).


edit: Great news dave! Looking forward to seeing some 'munda again.

 dsteingass wrote:
Good points, but when you only use acrylics, no special area or venting is needed, I just put up a board and take it down- takes 2 seconds.

I still advocate a cheap spray booth, but a board works as well.

Looking forward to the return to 'munda, Dave.

That weathering on the tank is sick.

Thanks guys! I MUST focus first and foremost on painting a gang I want to run, then have some more terrain ideas. This time though, I want to steal heavily from the old Studio Terrain, the infamous landing pad with the cargo lift specifically.

Oh hell yeah that sounds great! more Munda! more terrain! more awesome!

I forget if I have posted before on your wonderful blog, all your stuff is great and some excellent airbrush guidance to boot - must get mine out of the box and buy some Vallejo Model Air... Looking forward to your munda return...

Thanks Nerd and Ruglud!
Orlocks get basecoats

Ohh, incoming gangers and 'munda terrain! Good news

Going for Orlocks, or just prepping them anyways?

Oh yes back to the good ol days of Munda these guys are gonna be great

Hahaha, fantastic. I've been working on the same gang for like a year, and Dave's like: "I think I'll get back into 'Munda today" and BAM. Entire gang basecoated.

I'm really excited that you're scratching that itch again though - Can't wait to see how they turn out!

Thank you so much for all the tips on the airbrushes too - I'm swaying more and more towards getting one now that I'm actually getting paid. It's all the technological complexity that puts me off at the moment - it all seems so impenetrable. Would probably be a really steep learning curve, like you said, but a totally worthwhile payoff if you can weather the initial difficulties. Hmmm...

I noticed someone here discussing airbrushes, and someone commenting that you should always buy the most expensive one you can afford.

I disagree with this. Although I'm usually the one to say that it's worth paying the extra $$ to get a quality/respected brand, my own recent experience with this is slightly contrary to that sentiment.

First airbrush I bought cost around $120 bucks, a branded brush that came with no spare parts whatsoever. While using it, I kept getting blockages, spitting (even when thinning my paints to the extent that I had no coverage whatsoever) and it was hell to clean. Then about a month ago, I managed to "break" the nozzle while trying to unscrew it for a thorough clean. I went to the store where I bought it (a good 1hr drive) to get replacements, but they were sold out. At that point I'd just started a new project and was really impatient to get going, so on the way home, I went to a discount tool-shop (less than 30 minutes from my house) and bought a $60 brush. Same nozzle size, and it came with spare parts. When I came home to try it out I had really low expectations of it, but I was really very pleasantly surprised. No blockages and no spitting even after using it for a long time, and cleanup was at least half the effort. Where the old, expensive one is better, is in detail painting, as the paint-flow control is somewhat better. But I can still paint quite small details with the cheapo brush.

I've long thought about doing a Necromunda gang. Unfortunately, no one around here plays. But if I were to do one... I'd have to play the fuzz. Arbites all the way. I've always been fascinated by the Adeptus Arbites. I even bought that Arbites omnibus... and made it thru the first book. I may try the next one some day to see if gets better.

If I made an arbites force, one would have to be named Dredd
He could draw massive fore for my other arbites, and his shout would be on his base for all to see, "I am The Law!!"

Glad to see that you're back to 'munda Dave!

Give me a while to go through everything that I missed...

I need to go back thru the thread and find the Necromunda stuff to look at. I didn't want to sift thru over 400 pgs worth of stuff.

Pretty much his start, he converted card stock and made them out of plasticard for a more solid and 3-d feel

When I saw that first post, I didn't read closely enough. I thought those were GW Necromunda buildings!!!

Seriously good job, dstein!

Thanks guys. I'll have a bit of a delay I'm afraid. I'm sick, and if I don't feel better by friday the doctor will probably admit me to the hospital for pneumonia. Bad case of Bronchitis.

Sounds nasty Dave. Take care.

Valhalla, I just got the Arbites trilogy paperback yesterday along with the newest Dan Abnett: Pariah. I'll probably read it soon after Pariah.
Well, I'll read bits between drug/fever-induced naps anyways

Hope you feel better, Dave. That Arbites book was decent, if not as good as Abnett. I stilll look forward to reading the rest some day, but I seem to have acquired a nice library of BL books that I haven't gotten thru yet.

I love Dan's books, the part I hate is that I've read them all, so now I have to wait forever for new ones.

 dsteingass wrote:
I love Dan's books, the part I hate is that I've read them all, so now I have to wait forever for new ones.

I feel your pain Dave! I love a good Black Library book myself sad thing is they're far between in a lot of cases! I still think Ian Watson's 'Space Marine' is the best i've ever read!! and I can also sympathise with you about being crook! I too have just been in hospital with pnuemonia and asthma+Bronchitis not fun, it put my posting of the Golden Bathtub prizes back a while, I should get to it today fingers crossed! then on to painting that tank of mine

I had pneumonia last year for all of February. Didn't know it until the end of the month when I finally went to the doctor and got some meds that cleared it up in a week or two.

You guys can work thru this.

Hope you feel better Dave, I have only just got over a case of Bronchitis myself ( although not majorly bad ) A few antibiotics and I was back on track , hope you feel better quickly mate.

Hope you get well soon, Dave.

Hate chest cookies

Chest Oysters! :-(

Dave, two bits of news for ya dude! firstly I have sent the supply drop to you today! just popped it in an unmanned shuttle for transport, programmed the servitor to bring it straight to you soon! and secondly I did manage to finish my tank i started! :-)

Oh dude, I haven't sent yours yet!
Thanks everybody! Ladygeek is taking wonderful care of me.

Good to hear, it is best for rest aand fluids with lung oysters

Yeah, I slept about 18 hours yesterday, I'll probably doze again soon, codeine has that effect


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@SgtSixkilla- you are right, before you buy an airbrush you need to decide on a General Purpose AB or a detail AB. I'd suggest a GP brush first, then expand onto a detail AB when you are ready. They may look similar, but as shown in my previously posted needle/nozzle photo, paint has to be carefully manipulated to spray through a tiny detail AB nozzle. Pressure is also super important, since ideally, you want the atomization set so that the paint doesn't dry before it hits the surface but also isn't too wet that it runs.

Sleep is the best ally for the immune system

hey dave... that sounds like a nasty piece of sickness... sleep it off! and let your lady geek take care of you! tho hospital is a pretty bad lookout... only ever been there once in my life... hated every damned day of it... no real sleep and food and the nurses were bad... and not in a bad good way... just bad.... talk about ruined clichees...

well really... get better!

 dsteingass wrote:
Oh dude, I haven't sent yours yet!
Thanks everybody! Ladygeek is taking wonderful care of me.

that's alright Dave i'm in no rush! I just wanted to make sure i got everything i had to send out posted in one hit! I just hope I didn't mix up the addresses of everything or it could be interesting in a week when people get random things in the mail! I hope you enjoy the goodies and they are useful? can't wait to see what you do with them when you get better! I hear inhaling paint from an airbrush does wonders for Pneumonia?

Thanks man.
I REALLY don't want to be admitted to the hospital, it sounds like it will suck any way you look at it. I think I'm getting better, but I dunno, I've slept the last three days away, I don't know much at all other than the book Pariah, which I am about to finish. If you're a fan of the Eisenhorn/Ravenor books, this is a MUST..it's so good, really good.

I need to buy both of those omnibuses so I can then get the new book.

YEs! They are worth $15 or whatever a paperback each, also this year's BL Games Day Anthology book has a prequel story to Pariah in it. Having finished Pariah just now, I am off to read it

congrats on finishing the tank buddy, and the new stuff looks promising too. cant get enough guard.

Thanks Neil!- Although they look like Guard, they are in fact, the newer Orlock sculpts

ha ha ha , i was talking about the cadian/catchan dude with the sword, although the orlocks would make a nice ranger /sniper detachment though.

Oh LOL Col Shaeffer! He's 100% mean bastard, he is

I love the ravenor series and have just seen Pariah in WD but I am yet to read the Eisenhorn series, I actually just jumped on ebay last night and picked up the Omnibus with the 3 stories in it for $14- free postage brand new!! I hope I'll like it? I literally no nothing about Eisenhorn except he's awesome and rather popular lol!

Oh Wow, you should REALLY read Eisenhorn first man. It comes before Ravenor. I think Ravenor is kind of a dick compared to his old Master Gregor Eisenhorn.

Yo =][=Munda / Necro addicts, Migsula has a new blog!

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/488545.page#5004379

What! Ravenor's a dick! is that why he's in that chair :-)

The longer he is in the chair, the more disconnected with real people he becomes I think. Maybe it's the whole sensory-deprivation thing over a long period, I dunno.

The good news is I'm feeling much better now finally, but now Ladygeek has a bad cold. My turn to repay her kindness now and nurse her back to health.

My turn to repay her kindness now and nurse her back to health.

you do that! or else

and good to hear you are back on your feet... hope your ladygeek is not that downed by the bug as you have been tho... i am always a man that gets rather uncomfy when my "sheep" gets ill...being unable to really help and solve things always leaves a sour taste in my mind/mouth... so it better be a short thing...

It's never comfortable seeing your loved ones sick Vik, always want it to be short-term if it has to be at all.

hope lady geek feels better dave and glad to hear your on the mend. and happy turkey day to you

 dsteingass wrote:
It's never comfortable seeing your loved ones sick Vik, always want it to be short-term if it has to be at all.

when hitting the submit button i was afraid i didn´t make myself clear... thankfully i was understood

and yep... exactly that!

Yes! Happy Thanksgiving! I can't wait to start the all-day torture of smelling that fat-ass Turkey roasting in the oven! mmm mmm

you have a nice and weird idea of torture^^

Oh...but it's soo worth it in the end

yea heading over to my mom and dads they are frying a turkey this year so southern thanksgiving ftw!

Ah, must be turkey day for you guys. Enjoy it.

Yep, we're stuffing ours full of sausage and bacon stuffing. [drool]
My Stepdad broke his leg at work, so no family get-togethers this year.

that sucks dave im sorry to hear about your step dad. hope hes on the mend too.

oh how are the Orlocks coming along?

Thanks Bama, he's going to be sore and uncomfortable for a while, but he'll recover. The Orlocks are exactly the same as they were in that basecoat shot a few pages ago. I've basically done nothing but sleep since monday.
Yesterday though, I did sit in front of the TV and clip terrain parts from sprues for several hours, I had a lot of unopened kits, now I have a lot of unused bitz

alabamaheretic wrote:yea heading over to my mom and dads they are frying a turkey this year so southern thanksgiving ftw!

remember to thaw the bird first (housefires= bad)

dsteingass wrote:Yep, we're stuffing ours full of sausage and bacon stuffing. [drool]
My Stepdad broke his leg at work, so no family get-togethers this year.

Sorry to hear about your Step dad but the bird sounds luscious...

well sleep is good when your sick so no worries there was curious if you had a theme or a scheme thought out for them yet thats all

I'm going with the classic Orlock work attire, denim pants, black leather, and safety orange shirts. Make it look liek they came right out of the Orlock factories. I haven't decided what color their do-rags will be though, probably my favorite 'Munda/Government blue or green though to keep it different than the blue denim pants.

i made my orlocks denim and red and my are built from space marine scouts and catachans. either rate looking forward to that.

So, I was watching football, smelling turkey, and had a rather..UPHIVE..Idea.


I'm thinking the tiers should be self-supporting, and stackable. Yes? no?

whoops...where did that piece of terrain come from all of a sudden.... is that how you found a good use for all that supposedly

I had a lot of unopened kits, now I have a lot of unused bitz

stuff?

quick recovery hobby wise i call that!

broken leg is something really unnerving... hopefully he has no pain (no pun inteded here...) thus getting the most out of this "sick" time then... could be a blessing after all... tho the moving issue will be a real bugger i think for everyone...well except me... i think i could do wonders with a broken leg... just sitting at my PC or my desk and either chat or build to my hearts desire

oh...as for the tiers idea... yeah do that... stackable is always useful and keeping the tiers seperate is always making that kind of terrain way more flexible and usefull in so many different ways...beside... it looks very good...great look and great idea...tho... needs lots of more dakka... and i am dead serious about that! the single air defense can´t be enough now, can´t it?

hehe, I was just playing with bitz

Scale shot for your consideration
Those are some big guns, but yes, plenty of those quad Autocannons on the sprues tet

Nah, not big enough yet Dave! :-) c'mon man surely you can kick someone out of a bedroom to use as a 'gaming' room and create an entire hive arounf the walls with only room in the middle for you to stand while you play? like those crazy old school train guys do! and then you can paint the walls like moonscapes and other cool stuff......

cooool, turkey vapours must work wonders for the imagination :-)

 neil101 wrote:
cooool, turkey vapours must work wonders for the imagination :-)

HAHA Yep, we'll stick to that story!


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 nerdfest09 wrote:
Nah, not big enough yet Dave! :-) c'mon man surely you can kick someone out of a bedroom to use as a 'gaming' room and create an entire hive arounf the walls with only room in the middle for you to stand while you play? like those crazy old school train guys do! and then you can paint the walls like moonscapes and other cool stuff......

I have 6 feet of clearance above my chest-high gaming table!
No worries there.

 dsteingass wrote:
hehe, I was just playing with bitz

Scale shot for your consideration
Those are some big guns, but yes, plenty of those quad Autocannons on the sprues tet

hah! that is one suitable riveted momma!!!

and neil... i bet those turkey vapors wouldn´t work for you... or did you recently change yon eating habbits ?

and neil... i bet those turkey vapors wouldn´t work for you... or did you recently change yon eating habbits ?


Nope still swinging from roots of the mighty Legume ;-) but one can dream.... mmmm...bacon.....

ha! tho you do get my respect for still being true to your vows! actually i have dabbled in soya food... and guess what? if you add lts of oil and lots of spice... it is actually quite tasty... and that is coming from a man as carnivore as can be

my lil oskar is the greatest... he asked me one day... "dad...when do we get to eat those sausages that taste like bread rolls again?" we where litterally rolling on the floor by then...

LOL- I am full, and thankful for my Dakka friends! /belch


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The sweet potatoes/Yams were amazing, the marshmallows on top were toasted just perfect, so they crunched like a dried cereal marshmallow.

lol... we have that dish here ...called "roulade"... basically it is a slab of meat...thin at that rolled and you can fill it either with porkbacon or you could use sausages to keep the meat greasy and not getting dry due to cooking... filling meat with yet more meat is right up my alley^^

never tasted toasted marshmallows tho...hmmm....

Just had to go through the start of the blog again... nostalgic now

Love the terrain.

Wow, Thanks Migs! Much appreciated!

Still full from last night's feast of caramel-apple glazed ham+Bacon-sourcream-cheddarcheese mashed potatoes+Pasta salad+croissants.

Of course can never get enough of Dave's riveting work here at Dakka

HAHA Nerd! That looks awesome!

that is a tasty stein.... but where to put the beer in then???

Is Cheese-stein, all inside there. Now if only that had been in my supply drop I got from Fed-Ex today.

 Viktor von Domm wrote:
that is a tasty stein.... but where to put the beer in then???

By the looks of it, mixed with the gravy.

As is Tradition, I settled my scheme by painting the Heavy first

interesting scheme... somehow reminds me of that movie "they live"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/They_Live

dunno why so^^ but i think bandana hair and t-shirt make a great combo!

LOL

I like the scheme orange is always a good colour

Haha, that's a classic B-movie! Thanks.

B-movie with some social commentary

They make B-movies without it?

 n0t_u wrote:
They make B-movies without it?

Yes they do, then they have little redeeming qualities , but do a lot of half naked women to make up for it, as they know they have little else to fill the movie with, other than the monsters

LOL..I think there was a mandatory boobie shot in every 1980's era movie, even if it didn't make sense to have one. Sometimes they did that to force the film into a higher rating.

 dsteingass wrote:
LOL..I think there was a mandatory boobie shot in every 1980's era movie, even if it didn't make sense to have one. Sometimes they did that to force the film into a higher rating.

And that's why i love the 80's

so, so many classic movies that re so bad they're good!.... Evil Dead anyone? or perhaps the classic 'Blood Diner'

`nuff said?

Brilliant Vik, I'm glad i'm not alone!

well.... classic is classic and i wouldn´t be the man i am today if not for the eighties and nineties b-movies^^

Yep, some classics from back then.



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Shop smart, shop S-Mart!

that was the quote i really was looking for a nice pic... but well... the other one had inlieing qualities too

 shasolenzabi wrote:
Still full from last night's feast of caramel-apple glazed ham+Bacon-sourcream-cheddarcheese mashed potatoes+Pasta salad+croissants.

Of course can never get enough of Dave's riveting work here at Dakka

My wife wants a caramel apple Ham. Is it good?



Wait, that's a stupid question of course it's good......


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That Rowdy Roddy Piper Movie is actually one of my all time favorites. I saw it on TV the other day.....

Awesome sauce! Glad to see you back on the munda. The up-hive scenery looks like a great idea... after all, everyone has to make a trip to the Guilders office sooner or later.

ps: They Live FTW!!

 mxwllmdr wrote:

 shasolenzabi wrote:
Still full from last night's feast of caramel-apple glazed ham+Bacon-sourcream-cheddarcheese mashed potatoes+Pasta salad+croissants.

Of course can never get enough of Dave's riveting work here at Dakka

My wife wants a caramel apple Ham. Is it good?



Wait, that's a stupid question of course it's good......


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That Rowdy Roddy Piper Movie is actually one of my all time favorites. I saw it on TV the other day.....

Tell the wife it is awesome!!!!

is the caramel ham a bit crunchy then? sounds like the thing one should try at least once in a lifetime^^

I haven't had it, but I don't imagine Caramel and ham could suck together

One of my favorite B movies is They Live, also, Night of the Comet.

 Viktor von Domm wrote:
is the caramel ham a bit crunchy then? sounds like the thing one should try at least once in a lifetime^^

Sweet and juicy is more like it


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 Valhalla130 wrote:
One of my favorite B movies is They Live, also, Night of the Comet.

Ah yes, a young Mr. Beltran was in it, the guy with the cadillac who fell for the main star, later to be chakotay in ST: Voyager

Great. Now I need to go watch it again to see.

I must admit a guilty pleasure of mine is Total Recall- I know, it's technically 1990, and not really intended to be a B-movie, and sooo full of cheese, but it is pure win as far as I am concerned, especially the sets. You don't realize it, but the ominous slow-moving fan that is required for all proper sci-fi started with Total Recall (or was it Aliens?) one of them

It was Alien, because they went into the guts of the ship trying to find that xenomorph. Aliens we got the cylinder fans as if they aquarium pumps. But the fan in Total Recall was the biggest fan to date.

total recal is one of my all time favorite movies too... three boobies on one gal? you kiddin? what right minided teen wouldn´t fall for that

HAHA, teen? You mean MALE

Ok, so I was inspired to recreate this classic studio terrain building:

However, when I looked at it and tried to plan it out, now I'm not sure:

It's only 5 inches wide, it seems like it should be wider. My enthusiasm has been knocked down a peg TBH.
What do you think? Does anyone know what those pointy bits on top are from? I know they are metal from back in the day, I'll probably substitute the pointy bits from the Pegasus kits, but I was just curious.

i think the pointy bitz must be of a terrain kit? COD maybe?

and yes... that would be a truly nice piece done by you... why was your enthusiasm taken down a peg? you got the teplate...you have the finished look.... what´s the problem i dont get? only thing i see.... backside seems a bit bland

by the way... good f you to uplaod that pic so i could zoom in

and yeah... definatly male teen...and getting older too.... i never said i am a grown up

No, this was long before CoD- This terrain was even before Necromunda Bulkheads were made, you can tell by the pre-production casts they used in these pics.

I dunno, it just seems too small..

Nah this is way before CoD. Most likely from some obscure terrain kit they had knocking around, im have no idea sorry dave.

It does seem very thin, id just double the width if i were you. Its not like you'd be doing anything to the look of the building by doing that.


Damn ninjad

The spiky bits at the top of the building are from the plastic imperator titan that came with the 2nd ed. Space Marine boxed game. http://www.solegends.com/citcat94/cat1994164A-01.htm

Dr.Avalanche wrote:
The spiky bits at the top of the building are from the plastic imperator titan that came with the 2nd ed. Space Marine boxed game. http://www.solegends.com/citcat94/cat1994164A-01.htm

This one wins the toaster! They were definitely from the Imperator Titan form Epic Titan Legions.

Sorry to burst in unannounced, I've recently been digging up Necromunda themed threads as our group is about to start up a campaign. Lots of very inspiring posts in this project blog!

I'm actually looking for a well balanced Genestealer Cult list to use in the campaign...anyone have any suggestions?

Check out http://www.empireofghosts.blogspot.co.uk/p/inquisimunda-resources.html for ideas. Whilst it differs quite a bit from straight Necromunda, there are some very nice rules ideas in there.

Thanks for the help! Those are probably worth a fortune by now, I'll substitute I've got some old epic metal titan bitz somewhere around here, I'll never use them, I'll post pics when I run across them...

Now, what about those girder bitz peeking out at the right of the picture?

Never a need to apologize for posting here Fango! You are welcome any time! I'm more of a terrain guy than a list guy, the people who hang out here, such as Vitruvian are the experts there, I'd follow his advice

Dave,

From the figures in the picture, the base of the main building is about 6" wide, with the angled external bracing extending the sides out by about an inch and a half. So, your initial template should be an inch wider. Height is about 6 and a half inches from the top of the baseplate to the top of the roof. The baseplate looks like good ole' fashioned 1/4" MDF.

Well, once I laid it out on a piece of 7"x5" plasticard with a pencil it looks much better to my eye, I didn't have a mini handy @ work, but Brian, look at the 25mm base of the Arbites, it appears to just fit in that 1" stoop.

That 3/4" hollow punch sure came in handy too

I'm actually looking for a well balanced Genestealer Cult list to use in the campaign...anyone have any suggestions?

Definitely not the Inquisimunda list, or the Terror in the Hive list, way overpowered for regular Necromunda. Maybe these ones: http://www.scribd.com/doc/109988440/Genestealer-Cults-v1-2 although I think they are still overpowered. Anthony Case has decent rules and his stuff is always pretty balanced, found here: http://anthony-case.me.uk/ (bottom of page). I also made my own Cult rules which ought to be pretty well balanced but aren't tested: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4966868/genestealer%20brood.pdf

Basically, Genestealers may fit in the Underhive thematically but they are far too strong to just have running around in each game. I added them in using something similar to the Special Character rules, but frankly I am not sure if that is still too powerful. A single stealer could quite easily take out an entire gang.

Now, what about those girder bitz peeking out at the right of the picture?

Ooh a spot the bitz game, awesome. I got the Imperator bits but this is harder, I think maaaybe the uprights from a Squig Catapult, or more likely one of the weapon mounts from the plastic Mega Gargant. Weirdly I have both those bits spare.

@Brian, those side angle pieces I'll add on at the end, those are 1/2", just like the other buttresses. It'll be 7" wide at the end

 dsteingass wrote:


Now, what about those girder bitz peeking out at the right of the picture?

The vertical 'reinforced' supports at the right of the photo are not a part from any GW produced kit as far as I know. Sadly, I think they were in-house resin casts like some of the other pre-production elements shown in those old Necromunda studio terrain pieces. I want to say I remember seeing those supports used on an old 40k themed circular landing pad that was featured several times in White Dwarf articles somewhere around the 2nd edition era...mid-to-late-90s...I will see if I can dig up an issue and scan a picture of it.

Also, I recall a (now discontinued) Forge World Epic 40k building that had those spiky gothic tower thingies on it...But I am confident that the ones in your photo are from the Imperator Titan.

Looking at all those old pics again makes me sad how small the scale of everything is. I always think 40k terrain should dwarf the figures.

In fact, its given me drive to make some large terrain now!

Go forth, and build terrain, then sanctify it by giving it rivets


I've seen the Studio team use preproductions before...I remember seeing the Space Marine Statue months before they ever announced a kit. But those girder bitz, I've seen used several times. You were right about the titan, that's definitely it.

 Bruticus wrote:


Definitely not the Inquisimunda list, or the Terror in the Hive list, way overpowered for regular Necromunda. Maybe these ones: http://www.scribd.com/doc/109988440/Genestealer-Cults-v1-2 although I think they are still overpowered. Anthony Case has decent rules and his stuff is always pretty balanced, found here: http://anthony-case.me.uk/ (bottom of page). I also made my own Cult rules which ought to be pretty well balanced but aren't tested: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4966868/genestealer%20brood.pdf

Basically, Genestealers may fit in the Underhive thematically but they are far too strong to just have running around in each game. I added them in using something similar to the Special Character rules, but frankly I am not sure if that is still too powerful. A single stealer could quite easily take out an entire gang.

Thanks Bruticus, I will definitely check those out!

Yeah, Bruticus knows his stuff! One day, when I'm ready to pay attention and give it the time, I'll ask Bruticus more closely about the Imunda stuff, for now though, I'm just excited tha there is a group locally playing it in any form

Here is the ever-important scale shot

so, once finished, taller than a bastion? Big enough, but also likely claustrophobic inside. 40k either oddly claustrophobic, or scaled so immense that titans can walk inside the buildings!

I always imagine that these buildings are often just entrances to giant underground structures. With the hive constantly being built over older structures and having much more space vertically than horizontally it makes sense.

For all Necromunda rules check out Anthony Case's site first, he's the guy that edits the Community edition of the rulebook. You can find him posting on Yakromunda sometimes, or all his files are archived on that link I posted. Best additional rules by far in terms of balance.

It's a BIG, heavy door, meant to stay the feth closed... very 40k

I hate being this long off dakka, but seeing this is a great welcome present to me.. its soooo cool!.. the bacon that is. But this building is cool too

Haha, Thanks RW WB!

What a rig eh?

 dsteingass wrote:

Now, what about those girder bitz peeking out at the right of the picture?

 Fango wrote:

The vertical 'reinforced' supports at the right of the photo are not a part from any GW produced kit as far as I know. Sadly, I think they were in-house resin casts like some of the other pre-production elements shown in those old Necromunda studio terrain pieces. I want to say I remember seeing those supports used on an old 40k themed circular landing pad that was featured several times in White Dwarf articles somewhere around the 2nd edition era...mid-to-late-90s...I will see if I can dig up an issue and scan a picture of it.

From White Dwarf #213, October 1997

NIce to see such an old pic, brings back memories

Well, I've painstakingly scanned all my reference photos, every angle of the thing I have in print, here are my reference photos














It still leaves some details hidden to me, I'll have to improvise.

Also, I have the 'Munda blue and green colors and the ubiquitous hazard stripes down pat, but I need to incorporate more orange/red elements in the theme too.

Nice pics. It's quite surprising how dated and crude some of the constructions look though, the giant rivets especially. And in gameplay terms there is not enough partial cover around, especially on the high levels - lots of falling deaths. I wouldn't worry about having to improvise, you will be able to make much more detailed and interesting buildings than those.

Probably the most baffling thing though, looking back at it now, is why they painted all the bases in goblin green even for Necromunda models.

Also nice to see Waterstones has a presence in the Underhive.

Looks like the different angles give a teaser of what to do.

Wow, that must have taken some time if you paged through as many White Dwarf mags as I think you did...

The WIP pics are looking good, cant wait to see this thing painted up. Super fast work too BTW.

 Bruticus wrote:
Nice pics. It's quite surprising how dated and crude some of the constructions look though, the giant rivets especially. And in gameplay terms there is not enough partial cover around, especially on the high levels - lots of falling deaths. I wouldn't worry about having to improvise, you will be able to make much more detailed and interesting buildings than those.

Probably the most baffling thing though, looking back at it now, is why they painted all the bases in goblin green even for Necromunda models.

Also nice to see Waterstones has a presence in the Underhive.

The -=]_,=- has interests in all forms of riveting, but back in the 90's, I think all the GW Studio team had to work with was a paper punch, I think that explains the huge rivets....(not that there is anything wrong with huge rivets mind you) I am of course, using my -=]_,=- powers here to hopefully "improve" on their old 20th Century riveting techniques, modernizing them.

You can't have all your walkways with cover though, there needs to be strategic gaps to make them run for it and that helps to make Overwatch the evil/awesome thing it is

I have a theory on the Goblin Green bases: -It's the pre-production thing again, they used that infamous sump and bunker terrain for 40k too back in the day (reference pic #2 @ 1:00 (bunker) and 4:00(sump), respectively) it was their first studio terrain. Necromunda was GW's first delve into GW-produced terrain, so they were painting goblin green because it fit those two terrain pieces. I'd LOVE to sit down over a pint or three with Dave Andrews and ask him all sorts of questions, but I'd probably be too much of a fanboy. I spoke to an ex-GWer at GenCon (now working for Warlord Games and Rick Priestley), and he chuckled at the fact that I saw these guys that he is drinking buddies with as hobby Demi-gods

Waterstones? what is that?

I think It'll fit in with the rest of my little corner of the Underhive inspired by the same Studio terrain:






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@Fango, not White Dwarf, just the Battles book (compilation of WD articles) and the rule/source books.
I got tired of flipping through this pile of books for my reference pics, and decided to put them all in one spot.

Dave I bloody love you man, thanks for the PDF, your a lifesaver!!!

Anytime Childe!

10th pic down, the big W sign. It's a UK bookshop logo. Just a coincidental choice of font I guess.

I just posted in another thread about walkways, but I found that really the more cover the better especially on higher up terrain. If you don't have enough then you encourage people just camping on overwatch in a bit of hardcover all game, and you discourage people moving around on high levels (which are absolutely lethal with no railings to prevent falling). It's a bit of a problem with Necro - there is very little reason to use high terrain a lot of the time and it takes a bit of planning to make scenery that people will use to the full.

Fango asked me via PM:

Fango wrote:Hey there, I've recently started to follow your Necromunda project blog...and was wondering, how do you earn membership to the illustrious League of Extraordinary Riveters?

Thanks!

Fango

Since we get asked that a lot, I thought I'd post it publicly:

I'm glad you asked Fango!

The answer is simple: Show us the Rivets!

You must prove yourself by Riveting...extraordinarily!
We are not known as the League of Mediocre Riveters after all

What is Extraordinary Riveting?

Well that is open to interpretation by the individual Modeler. The League is a Pro-Hobby brotherhood of banter, BS, encouragement, and technique sharing; challenging modelers of all skill levels to add an unprecedented level of detail to their creations with rivets. Some people like myself just go bat-shiit crazy with sheer quantity of rivets, (I prefer sliced plastic rod) experiencing the metaphysical state known as "Rivet Zen" as coined by our patriarch (and Cult leader) Viktor VonDomm.

Others find new and unusual techniques for riveting, such as Shasolenzabi, who prefers liquid CA (super glue) rivets, or Vik who is a master of the leather punch. We believe all Riveting methods are created equal and all have their benefits. There is no right or wrong way to rivet. We simply ask first and foremost that you RIVET and share the pics


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 Bruticus wrote:
10th pic down, the big W sign. It's a UK bookshop logo. Just a coincidental choice of font I guess.

I just posted in another thread about walkways, but I found that really the more cover the better especially on higher up terrain. If you don't have enough then you encourage people just camping on overwatch in a bit of hardcover all game, and you discourage people moving around on high levels (which are absolutely lethal with no railings to prevent falling). It's a bit of a problem with Necro - there is very little reason to use high terrain a lot of the time and it takes a bit of planning to make scenery that people will use to the full.

That is partly why I have a fetish for little resin crates and other scatter terrain

Ahh..I wondered what the W was for, according to the map in the Battles book, this thing I'm building is a Power Generator..perhaps they rented out the bottom floor as a bookshop?

I have discovered flush sunk rivets as well now ^^

oh my.... that´s today the econd thread that makes me blush

and dave.... those buttresses look very cool!!! love where this building is heading!!! moaaar!

Well then Vik... quit staring at Daves Butt's...

hmmm.... you have a point there....

Thanks dsteingass, I have two rather 'riveting' projects ( ) that have been in-progress for far too long. I will get some pictures of them up this week. One is the Imperial Firebase card terrain set that came out in the 90s, which I embellished with plastic-card, and the other is a pumping station of sorts with two vertical storage tanks (dog-food cans covered in cereal box card and sheet and tube styrene) They both have loads of rivets already, but could always do with a few more! I will post a link to my Newbie blog here when I get them up!

Cool Fango! I can't wait to see!
Oh the Imperial Firebase that came wit Necromunda Bulkheads? That's another one I've always wanted to remake myself!
I have the original instruction sheet for it, but I never had the cardstock. I think I acquired it one time in a box of primed of Necromunda Bulkheads I got second-hand.


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@Vik- why you blushing? gas?

dsteingass wrote:Cool Fango! I can't wait to see!
Oh the Imperial Firebase that came wit Necromunda Bulkheads? That's another one I've always wanted to remake myself!
I have the original instruction sheet for it, but I never had the cardstock. I think I acquired it one time in a box of primed of Necromunda Bulkheads I got second-hand.

@Vik- why you blushing? gas?

Awesome Fango... Please do.

AS for Vik blushing... maybe its the time on sprockets when they dance...

 Galorn wrote:


AS for Vik blushing... maybe its the time on sprockets when they dance...

Would you like to touch my Monkey!
http://www.hark.com/clips/chhxwkrmcw-before-we-begin-would-you-like-to-touch-my-monkey

Damn Bruticus..I am in LOVE with this!




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This is fething awesome!

Dave i really don't have much to say.......... and they haven't got an Orkmoticon who's eyes bulge so big they take up the screen!!! I looked at the updates and pics and I got that little flutter in my chest and the lump in my throat I used to get when i was a kid and it was near my birthday or christmas! :-)


.... this is gonna be better than a whole tub of ice cream!!!


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Dave i really don't have much to say.......... and they haven't got an Orkmoticon who's eyes bulge so big they take up the screen!!! I looked at the updates and pics and I got that little flutter in my chest and the lump in my throat I used to get when i was a kid and it was near my birthday or christmas! :-)


.... this is gonna be better than a whole tub of ice cream!!!

That means a lot Nerd! Thanks man

It's looking good. Can't wait to see it when it's done.

Thanks LL! Me either

This will be a textbook case of making it up as I go along.

Ooh, looking good... And the nostalgia trip is also a lot of fun. Has me itching to dig out the old books and WDs. Strangely my kids had my old Necormunda and Outlanders scenery out the other week.

And as for the Imperial FireBase - I got me the old 2nd ed. Imperial bunker and also the IG Command Tower, thy're great pieces just calling out for some plasticard love - I can see one of my next projects being to update my Neco set now and can use this wonderful thread for my inspiration...

Going back to the Battle Book, is my memory serving me well - do I recall a WD with instructions on how to build an Arbites armoured car, similar to the 6-wheeled beauty in those photos, now there would be a great scratchbuild (if it hasn't already been done here...)

do I recall a WD with instructions on how to build an Arbites armoured car, similar to the 6-wheeled beauty in those photos, now there would be a great scratchbuild

That's Mike McVey's Arbite armoured car, I always thought it was very cool, although now I think Arbites in Repressors would be even cooler.

Dave that is aaaaawesome!

 Bruticus wrote:

do I recall a WD with instructions on how to build an Arbites armoured car, similar to the 6-wheeled beauty in those photos, now there would be a great scratchbuild

That's Mike McVey's Arbite armoured car, I always thought it was very cool, although now I think Arbites in Repressors would be even cooler.

And, remember. This was in the 1990's. Back when GW was so totally awesome. No 3rd party wheels, nothin'. Just Plasticard, toy trucks, deodorant bottles, and a dream.

 Briancj wrote:

 Bruticus wrote:

do I recall a WD with instructions on how to build an Arbites armoured car, similar to the 6-wheeled beauty in those photos, now there would be a great scratchbuild

That's Mike McVey's Arbite armoured car, I always thought it was very cool, although now I think Arbites in Repressors would be even cooler.

And, remember. This was in the 1990's. Back when GW was so totally awesome. No 3rd party wheels, nothin'. Just Plasticard, toy trucks, deodorant bottles, and a dream.

Also reasonable prices...

Haha, it's because the Ferengi are running the company nowadays.

Looks awesome dude! Its cool to see your munda terrain again, and how close it resembles your inspiration. Keep it up D!

 dsteingass wrote:
Cool Fango! I can't wait to see!
Oh the Imperial Firebase that came wit Necromunda Bulkheads? That's another one I've always wanted to remake myself!
I have the original instruction sheet for it, but I never had the cardstock. I think I acquired it one time in a box of primed of Necromunda Bulkheads I got second-hand.

 Galorn wrote:

Awesome Fango... Please do.

Just got done uploading and posting the photos....Newb Plog is here... http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/491523.page#5022874

 Galorn wrote:

 Briancj wrote:

 Bruticus wrote:

do I recall a WD with instructions on how to build an Arbites armoured car, similar to the 6-wheeled beauty in those photos, now there would be a great scratchbuild

That's Mike McVey's Arbite armoured car, I always thought it was very cool, although now I think Arbites in Repressors would be even cooler.

And, remember. This was in the 1990's. Back when GW was so totally awesome. No 3rd party wheels, nothin'. Just Plasticard, toy trucks, deodorant bottles, and a dream.

Also reasonable prices...

This thread continues to make me all misty eyed for the good 'ol days

Thank the lord we have Dakka Dakka to help us revisit those halycon days... That Arbite a/c is a thng of beauty, Mike McVey is a god amongst men, always enjoyed seeing his conversions and dioramas, especially the Space Hulk scene he did

I haven't even seen most of this since Necromunda hit a couple of years before I got into the hobby. It was still being sold when I started, but there were very few WD articles about it at the time.

I miss my old collection of WD's... unfortunately, they had to spend time in storage, and rats decided to... use them.

Thanks! This thread seems to be of more interest to people when it's about the Old Skool. There's just a style about it that is missing nowadays with the skull-festooned newfangled stuff.

Seriously, I didn't mind them when they were mostly human-sized skulls, but now they are giant heads. Why would humans create so many giant skulls in architecture? It just reminds me of the Old-skool stuff from the Terragenesis days utilizing cheap plastic Halloween skull rings and such. One or two can be tasteful on an Admech logo or something, but it's getting a bit much lately. The Wall of Martyrs is cool terrain, but either make the piles of dead optional bitz, or leave them off, I'm so sick of seeing Cadian helmets.

Yeah. Me too. I've never really cared for the Cadians. If it came down to it, I'd have chosen either the Valhallans or Mordians as my Guard army. I chose Valhallans, obviously. At the time, I was coming out of the army, and didn't understand why someone would wear a dress uniform in combat, but I get it now. I really, really do.

But yeah, it seems like there was something about 40k then that is missing now. I don't know if it's the skulls, but it's definitely something.

In some ways, it is better for us Guard Players now, but in other ways, worse methinks.

Firts they went from a privately owned to publicly traded company, then the present suit took over and sees this as a way to pad his retirement nest-egg. The old days was when GW was gamers making stuff for other gamers.

Now it is a cold, soul-less corporation serving the shareholders and the CEO

Supply Drop!



My next IPMS-USA review kit (which I already have permission to use for kitbashing- as long as I explain how it looks OOB- which is easy to do with the box art ) arrived


Some excellent accessory sprues!


Joy!

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 dsteingass wrote:
Supply Drop!



My next IPMS-USA review kit (which I already have permission to use for kitbashing- as long as I explain how it looks OOB- which is easy to do with the box art ) arrived


Some excellent accessory sprues!


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True about the plastic crack GW makes, got me there.

Nice supply drop!!

Thanks for the update Dave! coming along nicely! I do love me some clamp action...Ooooh yeah...... just not nipple clamps!

that building looks wicked, really good score! how does it stand up against a model? what are your plans for using it?

any sign of the package i sent you? should be there real soon too! :-)

I'm getting ready to place an order to Plastruct for some sheet/rod/tube styrene, what do you tend to use as your staple go to thicknesses and rod diameters (for rivets and such)?

I think their 1:48 diamond plate is closest to 28mm scale for textured floors, etc.




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Also, Ive noticed some of your fallout themed vending machines (NukaCola and such). Did you scratch build those? Or did you find someone who sells scaled resin versions?

That kinda sparks an idea to make some of those weapon and ammo vending machines from Borderlands...I could see gangers using them to find their d3 rare trade items! Or buying ammo and grenades during a shoot out!

There are some simply fantastic pieces in that kit......



Nice haul, Dave......

nerdfest09 wrote:Thanks for the update Dave! coming along nicely! I do love me some clamp action...Ooooh yeah...... just not nipple clamps!

that building looks wicked, really good score! how does it stand up against a model? what are your plans for using it?

any sign of the package i sent you? should be there real soon too! :-)

Next we'll be back to talking about flanges...

Fango wrote:I'm getting ready to place an order to Plastruct for some sheet/rod/tube styrene, what do you tend to use as your staple go to thicknesses and rod diameters (for rivets and such)?

I think their 1:48 diamond plate is closest to 28mm scale for textured floors, etc.

Also, Ive noticed some of your fallout themed vending machines (NukaCola and such). Did you scratch build those? Or did you find someone who sells scaled resin versions?

That kinda sparks an idea to make some of those weapon and ammo vending machines from Borderlands...I could see gangers using them to find their d3 rare trade items! Or buying ammo and grenades during a shoot out!

Sort of he scratch built the original then I made a mold and cast em.
they are for sale on my webstore.

Those are fantastic, I may just have to pick up a couple of those!

nerdfest09 wrote:Thanks for the update Dave! coming along nicely! I do love me some clamp action...Ooooh yeah...... just not nipple clamps!

that building looks wicked, really good score! how does it stand up against a model? what are your plans for using it?

any sign of the package i sent you? should be there real soon too! :-)

No sign of the package yet, and I need to get off my ass and ship yours too yet!
I've got several ideas, it's another one of those vacu-formed kits, so it'll take quite a bit of putty work, but I'll really need to wait until I get the pieces cut out and cleaned up before I can explore the possibilities of the walls. It's 1/35 scale, and large for 28mm, but the bricks fit the scale, so it should work out for some cool terrain piece.

Fango wrote:I'm getting ready to place an order to Plastruct for some sheet/rod/tube styrene, what do you tend to use as your staple go to thicknesses and rod diameters (for rivets and such)?
I think their 1:48 diamond plate is closest to 28mm scale for textured floors, etc.
Also, Ive noticed some of your fallout themed vending machines (NukaCola and such). Did you scratch build those? Or did you find someone who sells scaled resin versions?
That kinda sparks an idea to make some of those weapon and ammo vending machines from Borderlands...I could see gangers using them to find their d3 rare trade items! Or buying ammo and grenades during a shoot out!

I buy rods of any size I find in stores to stock up, but 1mm is my standard go-to for rivets. You'll probably want some larger hex rods too for nuts. A 1mm round rivet on top of a 2-3mm hex Rivet makes a nice combo
Evergreen Styrene is generally cheaper to buy than Plastruct for basic shapes, but Plastruct makes more specialty shapes. You always want to use O scale or 1:48 diamond plating. HO scale just looks too small.

Yes! You can (and should) purchase those machines from http://www.rivetzone.com ! After all, as far as I know, we are the only producer of 28mm Nuka Cola machines in the whole world.

mxwllmdr wrote:There are some simply fantastic pieces in that kit......
Nice haul, Dave......

Thanks, I can't help but loving sprues!

Galorn wrote:
Next we'll be back to talking about flanges...

Speaking of Flanges, I got ahold of some of the Plastruct flanges, and my home-made flanges are superior to them

Fango wrote:Those are fantastic, I may just have to pick up a couple of those!

Yes, yes you should! Buy several! They make great Stocking Stuffers



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I've always admired the Stuff at Necromundicon
http://www.ironhands.com/habs.htm
I'm thinking the Workshop kit will need to give that same Vibe as these habs:




In other news, I just scored these on ebay:


I think it's safe to say that more buildings will be in my future very soon
I've had a setback on the power generatorium building, the fascia pieces I cut are 1/16" too wide, so I stripped them off and will need to cut new ones to do the layered stone look, stay tuned.

Dave, what can i ebay search for the 'trim' stuff? I can use it for railings etc. and it looks pretty darn... well,... pretty :-)

I just searched for "Grandt Line grab bag"- Sorry dood, I bought the last two bags of trim my seller had.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Grandt-Line-O-3556-Trim-Grab-Bag-Lots-Trim-post-rails-ect-Plastic-/390496286776?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item5aeb647838&ssPageName=RSS:B:STORE:US:101

You should be able to get it from any train store though...
http://www.trainmastermodels.com/product-p/glp3556.htm
Actually cheaper here

Back to the Miniart Workshop kit:

The wall panels are vacu-formed styrene, you see how you have to trim each half and then they join together to form a wall with texture on both sides.
I'm thinking that with a bit of ingenious plasticard work, altering the inside textures, I can get twice as much out of the kit.
We'll see.

Just in case anyone is confused as to the scale, normally 1/35 figures are closer to the 54mm scale, but because our 40k sense of scale is so skewed, 1/35 structures are very adaptable to 40k 28mm scale, as long as you remove or re-engineer any scale-buster details.
Here is my inspiration/idea pool in photos:


The door archway can easily be converted into a huge factory window

Or boarded over if you wish

Or if you look closely @ 19th Century brick buildings, the first or ground floor is often higher (or raised 1.5X) as the stories above it.

Some of you may be saying "Hey Dave, brick buildings don't seem very 40k to me"...
Look at the effect you get when you mix steel and iron elements to the organic brick materials....all we need are some Aquillas here and there and instant grimdark

Look, even my favorite 'Munda blue and Government green colors!

That's pretty neat. I used to work in a southern cotton mill when I was a teenager. Those giant arch windows are so familiar it almost looks like it came directly from the mill I worked in. There do not appear to be any pictures online of the mill I used to work in. Bummer.

Thanks Valhalla! I love looking at old buildings like that.

It's hard to see in the pics, but these are some specialty O scale textured plasticard that matches the brick pattern perfectly.


I ordered a sample pack of several sheets from Micro Mark several months ago when it was on sale.
http://www.micromark.com/micro-mark-o-scale-plastic-building-sheets-brick-bridge-arches-and-column-style-2-10-x-14-sheets,10478.html



Hidey holes are nice to have on the street

And they help hold it up.

Well, they are really thin 0.20" I think. It's nice and bendable as you see on the ceiling of the alcove. I've got regular 0.40" doing the holding

The Grimdarking process begins

Wow that looks great!!

Thanks Ramos!

Well we're movi'n on up

I'm liking the little details like the plates on the keystones.

Thanks
FW etched brass sets are pretty badass like that. It's like they were made to fit there


1/4" chicken wire in a H-beam frame

Enough for tonight, the weekend promises much hobby time

Didn't even notice the Aquilas until the last lot of pictures there. Thought they were just some brass plates you were going to do something with.

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So awesome! And I'm guessing that it comes in a bit more affordable than GW stuff

A friend is taking interest in =][=munda ("Why didn't you tell me that there was a game where you only needed 6 guys?!?!?!"), I will need to start aquiring similar buildings

What you need to do is add a metal catwalk like in your reference pics between the first and second floors. Now that would be a great piece of terrain!

Looking good there D-man! Oh, and I found a use for the other 2 colors you sent me

Excellent work. I really like how a few simple additions give the piece a very 40k look.

Great use of kit and sheets love the vent sections under the windows really adds the industrial feel, I thought you might have used the windows from the grab bag (not saying yours are not any good ) did they not fit

Have to say I am not keen on the power cell/generator thing hanging from the wall but thats just MO the rest is great.

n0t_u wrote:Didn't even notice the Aquilas until the last lot of pictures there. Thought they were just some brass plates you were going to do something with.

With paint, all things will become clear

Rawson wrote:

 dsteingass wrote:

So awesome! And I'm guessing that it comes in a bit more affordable than GW stuff

A friend is taking interest in =][=munda ("Why didn't you tell me that there was a game where you only needed 6 guys?!?!?!"), I will need to start aquiring similar buildings

What you need to do is add a metal catwalk like in your reference pics between the first and second floors. Now that would be a great piece of terrain!

Thanks man, Just about anything out there is cheaper than GW stuff TBH, these miniart kits are very affordable. This one was free

shasolenzabi wrote:Looking good there D-man! Oh, and I found a use for the other 2 colors you sent me

Thanks Shas! - oh yeah? what?

The Lost Hobbit wrote:Excellent work. I really like how a few simple additions give the piece a very 40k look.

Absolutely! Thanks for checking it out!

lone dirty dog wrote:Great use of kit and sheets love the vent sections under the windows really adds the industrial feel, I thought you might have used the windows from the grab bag (not saying yours are not any good ) did they not fit

Have to say I am not keen on the power cell/generator thing hanging from the wall but thats just MO the rest is great.

LOL, that is a bracket holding ceramic insulators for power cables that will eventually be strung across it- I haven't yet decided where it will be, things are just blu-tacked, not glued yet.
I just ordered the window bags, they haven't arrived yet. Perhaps Her Majesty's Royal Mail is that efficient, but not here!

All I can see when looking at that building front is a very, very sad building.

I anthropomorphize things too much.

Oh my god Dave! ....... i mean....... Dave you are a god!

Looking fan-bloody-tastic so far and as usual i'm inspired! why oh why must you inspire me while i'm at work! Nngggngngggnnh!

Everything Nerd says and then some.

This will be the Necromunda terrain of my dreams... My fingers are itching to get hold of some of this stuff and go for it...

Valhalla130 wrote:All I can see when looking at that building front is a very, very sad building.

I anthropomorphize things too much.

Well, we can't have happiness in a Dystopian Society now can we?

nerdfest09 wrote:Oh my god Dave! ....... i mean....... Dave you are a god!

Looking fan-bloody-tastic so far and as usual i'm inspired! why oh why must you inspire me while i'm at work! Nngggngngggnnh!

Thanks nerd, although I'm no god -Because that's my job here man

Ruglud wrote:Everything Nerd says and then some.

This will be the Necromunda terrain of my dreams... My fingers are itching to get hold of some of this stuff and go for it...

You should! -Then show us the pics

Speaking of inspiration at work, more grimdark research today:
Plenty of Flanges to be had here too, no nipple clamps though, sorry nerd


















Some of the highly saturated color photos are very painterly looking. I think I've learned that I should use lighter base colors so I can add many other color washes, and I need to use crackle medium over rust basecoats as well.

What!! NO nipple clamps son, I am dissapoint!

although you have seemed to make up for it with those images!! absolutely beautiful they are! would you be a dear and just go and pop them into this thread I started? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/478716.page then i can access them along with other wonderful eye candy for inspiration! I should change my middle name to 'inspiration' I tend to use that word a lot on here lol

Good pics. Can't wait to see some of that traslated into models.

WhoaaaWhaatHappenedThere. Made my eyes go weird.

And now there's only one post. Just ignore me, either Dakka or Firefox messing with me.

Wow dave, that building is amazing. I can just imagine a smog covered sky, dim lights illuminating the choking blackness as a ganger flits from alcove to entryway...

Whoa Vit!! change that avatar pic...please!... your eyes..... they bore right through me......

That building is looking great, and these are some very sweet reference photos. They are so stylized, I almost thought they were digital work for some post apocalyptic video game. Now i seem to recall a building very much like this one on Discovery Channel with Bear Grylls running through it...

Sorry nerd, this better....?

Yes, that's much more normal now everyone knows a Nic Cage santa with a knife and crazy eyes will soothe anyone into a relaxed coma!

Those pics, I kept mentally playing the Fallout-3 theme as I went through them Daev

Fair point, now you mention the wiring it makes more sense Royal mail is no way efficient The post service is like playing the lottery you have a 1 in a million ( or more ) chance of getting your post

I have to say using that kit in this way has me sold on it and those sheets have potential, I looked at them myself but was not sure on the scale or detail but if it has the "Dave Seal of Approval" it is good enough for me.

Valhalla 130 I see what you mean LOL I cant stop seeing the face now

If I were you, I'd look up Woodland Scenics O scale DPM panels
I ordered some- harder plastic


Big window, just as I threatened.

That's so cool, i didn't ever think Victorian-esque brickwork could ever have a place in the 40k universe, but you've changed my mind on that one!

This is a pretty cool project. I need to take notes so that one day, when I create Stalingrad style terrain for my Valhallans to fight in, I'll be up to the task. Also... just to toot my own horn, here is my new WIP thread.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/492068.page#5032835

Great stuff going on with that mini-arts warehouse, and cheers for the ref pics, I've seen some of those but there were some nice new ones there

Good find with that Grandt trim pack, not seen those before, will go searching later

I'm going to start putting a gang together. Call me when your table is done and I'll fly out there...

@Vit- Rivets make anything 40k
Thanks Monkey!
ANytime Mottie!

Looks like the door from the 'special' night club i go to.....

Great pics, dsteingass! Both the new terrain and inspirational pics. You make it so hard for me to no completely abandon my ork city to start work on my imperial naval base

What colour will you be painting the brickwork? I personally think red brick looks wrong for Necromunda, it would be more likely they would use concrete type bricks or dark bricks (like these: http://thenickeninja.wordpress.com/2012/07/08/sector-04/). I think red bricks will look very anachronistic, like Ironhand's stuff even though it is awesome it doesn't look like it's from 40k.

I disagree, I think Ironhand's stuff is perfect. It looks ancient, which is the point in the underhive. That part of the Hive could be downtown Gary, Indiana of today in origin
I doubt kiln-fired earth will ever go out of use, since it's so plentiful.

looking good dave, have you thought about light brown bricks when i lived in germany i saw a lot of light brown brick work. just food for thought when you get to that stage buddy

But...I'm not sure about color..Now I will have to ponder it..

Soo many decisions in this project..
I think this needs to be the Generatorium.

I have decided NOT to do the interior. I don't have enough of that matching brick-pattern sheet to do it right.
..But I REALY wanted to!


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There, twice as much out of the kit



Now to infect it with pipes and flanges, and cables, and gubbinz, and rivets, and big aquillas on the gables

looks good dave there will be awesome happening soon

Thanks man! Let's hope so

oh man... that new direction of your terrain making is totally up my alley...as if you´ve had any doubt about it to hit bullseye with these... the brickwork looks stunning... those windows are simply awesome...and my special top favorte is that huge and sweet heavy looking door... since it is on the first floor....will there be walkways? i bet there will...

i tell no lie... i want to see a big sector of all these on one big table!!!

what will be next? flooring inside? i am eager to see where you take us with that one here!

Thanks Vik!
No, I don't have enough of the matching brick sheet to do the interior the right way. Perhaps on a later building?
I have plans for at least a few more brick structures, supply drop inbound sometime next week

well... you know me for my patience^^...

if i recall your stalingrad buildings from way back... for modern looking terrain you have come a great way....

No interior? That's a shame, won't you be able to see the bareness through the large windows though?

Would that not bother you?

Great work! Absolutely stunning, and if you're going about making some odd steam punkesque style Victorian buildings, for reference, why not check out some screenshots from the game Dishonored? Might be right up your street!

Removable roof would solve that issue Ghosty, and Dave is good at making such modifications.

Nope, roof is glued on, I have an idea for the windows later, will paint, then put them in.

Great product, Dave! Not only free, but double the size! I love the contrast between the brick and the tech doors and... are those AC units? I think I would have gone for a flat roof (maybe with some generators of comm equipment), just for the extra playability, but also great as is.

Will you be adding some crossbraces to your stair supports?

will the window panes show a little scene of riveting heros? that could indeed be a true church of riveteers... if you catch my drift

Wow, Dave, I love how you bring the pieces together here! I didn't expect the brickwork to blend in with the 40k flavor, but you made it work!

Bloody beautiful dude! really looking the business now! how on earth do you get your plasticard and strip work to look so seamless and tidy?

Too bad the roof is on... considering the interior could well have been plated steel for reinforcement, heat containment, protection and what not inside a generatorium. But man... You make great scenery!! I'm running out of hats to take off to you good sir. Keep it up!

looking good just the same!

Thanks guys! Much appreciated!

My modeling life has gotten much easier since I got my MiterMaster.

I'd highly recommend it to anyone who works with plastic. It cuts straight through the thickness of CoD panels with ease too.

Still much more detail work to add. I've not decided whether or not the fire escape platform will be like this or instead given angled supports riveted to the brick wall. If the supports stay, they will have cross beams. There will be plenty more buildings with flat roofs and interiors. The air con units in the windows (cut from the CoD manufactorum panels) cover up any usefulness the windows may have had as fire points anyways. I could've done a lot differently with this building, but it is what it is now

Have to agree. Brick has been around for ever. It probably will be around for ever. Granted, not as part of the hive superstructure (because then the whole thing would collapse) but I can certainly see individual buildings within the hive been made out of brick. Especially in the underhive where there's plenty of sludge and sediment to make bricks out of.

Fantastic! Yes, some cross bracing for the platform would totally be the finishing touch on this masterpiece. Maybe an industrial light fixture near the side access door? I see you took the lamps off the front of the building?

Lovely work Dave

Right on LL!
Thanks Monkey and Fango!
Yes, all the bitz need added still, lights, pipes, all of that.
LOL..430 pages and you guys still make me chuckle sometimes...

You can't handle something this big without knocking and breaking little bits off, they were only blu-tacked.


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Nerdfest is a really Righteous dude!
This was in the mailbox today from the Tasmanian Madman himself!
.And it brightened my otherwise completely crappy Monday!

Resin happiness!
Old Gas pump

TWO Air compressors!

I can't wait to figure out how to build this fantastic Lathe!
Then a Desk and bookshelf perfect for Fallout!

that mitermaster i stumbled over quite a few times on my own accord... and i saw it even as a cameo appereance in your WIP pics recently...

i think i will get me one too... you cant have too many cutting tools...now can´t you?


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oh.... nijaed by a suply drop....

awesomely detailed stuff!

Thanks Vik! Yes, get one, it's a great tool.
More air conditioners?

It's amazing how great those building look when you start adding in all the details that real buildings would have, like air conditioners, Aquilas, heavy iron blast doors... lol

LOL! Yes, absolutely Valhalla!
That was a crappy pic

Oh man! Love those interior pieces. I have got to get me some of those!

Sweet deals there Dave! Nice AC unit near the Gang Heavy

 dsteingass wrote:
Thanks guys! Much appreciated!

My modeling life has gotten much easier since I got my MiterMaster.

I'd highly recommend it to anyone who works with plastic. It cuts straight through the thickness of CoD panels with ease too.

Still much more detail work to add. I've not decided whether or not the fire escape platform will be like this or instead given angled supports riveted to the brick wall. If the supports stay, they will have cross beams. There will be plenty more buildings with flat roofs and interiors. The air con units in the windows (cut from the CoD manufactorum panels) cover up any usefulness the windows may have had as fire points anyways. I could've done a lot differently with this building, but it is what it is now

I second Dave on this, it really is a great tool indeed I bought it on a whim to be honest but turned out to be a real gem

Great work Dave and that lathe looks like it will be fun to build I gather no instructions were included then

Naa..REAL modelers go to the Instructions only as a last resort

You mean the trim grab bags?
Yeah, some cool stuff!


I got 2 bags, they seem to have identical matched pairs of everything each bag, same with the Window bags.
But I was sitting in a restaurant yesterday eating lunch, looking out the window across at commercial buildings that had all sorts of mixed style windows

Having extra bitz lying around for years is not a bad thing, like these, they get used eventually

air conditioning looks very cool... and maybe we all dont notice anymore... but there is a sweet riveting job included mister!

and those bitz look like a lot of fun to play with...!

Aye Aye Capn!

We're taking on water!

LOL! Nothing like mobile hvy stubbers!

Those AC units look great, and now you've shown the contents of those trim bags I'll definitely go looking. Loads of fun there.

Yes, lots of goodies

This gets better with every pic. See,, this is the kind of thing I wouldn't even think to add, but it gives the building all it's character and makes it look more "realistic."

Thanks Valhalla!
....And now for that cross-brace

PLus I keep thing about the kind of cover save that air conditioning unit would give me. lol