During the campaign they released renders of the models you could make. In those renders the models were roughly 38mm in scale as was pointed out repeatedly but Wyrd said that they had corrected the problem, makes me wonder what they changed it to that it came out so poorly that they had to have the models redone.

Well.. this is interesting..

transcribed from A Wyrd Place for those who dont have access:
original post by EricJ on 07Jul2014.
Hey Wyrd Placians, I figured I'd give you guys a bit more personal touch to the update! Basically, the lack of communication is 100% my fault, and due to a workload which is crazy...of course I caused the crazy workload, so no one to blame but me. Combined with losing a few employees in May who were on this project, along with all the Gen Con prep...lets just say I'm a bit overwhelmed. Again, no one to blame but myself, but I wanted to give you some insight there.

The minis have been a bit of a pain (ok, HUGE pain), as we wanted them to match the most up to date artwork for TTB we started them a bit late. We SHOULD have had plenty of time to get them done still, with months to spare, but that's where the confusions started to arise. First off, the factory we're working with had never done multi-piece/multi-pose minis, and despite their assurances over and over, it took a lot longer to get them to work properly so that arms/heads/weapons/etc... were actually truly swappable. We've finally gotten it all worked out, and then the sizing issue arose. Needless to say, 3 months of buffer time turned into a month late due to these (and a few other speed bumps). So that's the insight!

On the bright side, now we know how to make them happen, and with all the time we've put into them, I think they are going to turn out pretty special!

So the minis weren't/aren't made by WGF...

Also interesting (read: frustrating); that some facebook group page seems to have gotten more information than they deigned to share with the backers.

Telling us that issues were occurring back when they were happening might've alleviated a lot of the frustration and bile that has built up over this project in the last year and a half.

Oh well, as I've said elsewhere, light at the end of the tunnel, etc.

Though, as also noted, "soon" doesn't inspire a ton of confidence.

Soon like Raging Heroes soon?

 Alfndrate wrote:
Soon like Raging Heroes soon?

Better than Defiance Games soon...

 Cyporiean wrote:
Well.. this is interesting..

transcribed from A Wyrd Place for those who dont have access:
original post by EricJ on 07Jul2014.
Hey Wyrd Placians, I figured I'd give you guys a bit more personal touch to the update! Basically, the lack of communication is 100% my fault, and due to a workload which is crazy...of course I caused the crazy workload, so no one to blame but me. Combined with losing a few employees in May who were on this project, along with all the Gen Con prep...lets just say I'm a bit overwhelmed. Again, no one to blame but myself, but I wanted to give you some insight there.

The minis have been a bit of a pain (ok, HUGE pain), as we wanted them to match the most up to date artwork for TTB we started them a bit late. We SHOULD have had plenty of time to get them done still, with months to spare, but that's where the confusions started to arise. First off, the factory we're working with had never done multi-piece/multi-pose minis, and despite their assurances over and over, it took a lot longer to get them to work properly so that arms/heads/weapons/etc... were actually truly swappable. We've finally gotten it all worked out, and then the sizing issue arose. Needless to say, 3 months of buffer time turned into a month late due to these (and a few other speed bumps). So that's the insight!

On the bright side, now we know how to make them happen, and with all the time we've put into them, I think they are going to turn out pretty special!

So the minis weren't/aren't made by WGF...

Has WGF ever done a multi-part kit like those included in this kickstarter?

My experiance with WGF stuff so far is that you get fantastic looking multi-part kits but in the end that kit is only really going to build 1 think in 1 pose.

Would the multi pose stuff really matter for the caster though? I'd imagine its 99% up to the sculptor to make the parts in a way that they are compatitble with eachother.

Catyrpelius: Yes, WGF handled all of DFG's Eisenkern, and those are multi-pose.

We know WGF cut the molds and made the plastics, but who actually designed the spruce itself and configured the figures to be multiple-pose? WGF or DFG?

Both, I think. Mark handed files over, but layout and mould-split was done mostly by WGF. I guess they know their machinery best.

Do you think Wyrd's words could be interpreted to mean that WGF did all the work from A to Z?

Possibly. Wyrd's statement is a little odd but I doubt they went with another plastic company. I guess we'll know once we see the actual sprues.

They've had scale issues with at least one previous plastic kit (once of the rail crew?) that was due to launch at (a) Gencon but had to be pulled as it was too small

(talked about on the D6 Generation podcast in an interview with one of the folk from Wyrd)

Update:



"You should be getting one of these soon! (well, one appropriate to your pledge level). Fully packed this box is just about 10 lbs! Our goal is to see all the boxes shipped by the end of the month, miniatures included.


As a thank you for your patience your box will include some additional miniatures (up to a full Malifaux box set at random), to give you supplies to get your TTB campaign going.

Thanks all!

Eric"

Just saw that: Every time Wyrd poorly delivers, they've ended up doing a really nice job making up for it, be it discounts, free replacements, bonus minis, or swag. Really shows they want to materially recognize their error. Classy.

I'm going to reserve judgement until they actually deliver, but it's nice to finally (FINALLY) see some real progress towards ending this running gag.

... except I'll be in for at least another month or three until the hardcovers come in. But that I can wait on with significantly greater patience.

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Update:



"You should be getting one of these soon! (well, one appropriate to your pledge level). Fully packed this box is just about 10 lbs! Our goal is to see all the boxes shipped by the end of the month, miniatures included.


As a thank you for your patience your box will include some additional miniatures (up to a full Malifaux box set at random), to give you supplies to get your TTB campaign going.

Thanks all!

Eric"

Am I wrong in how I am reading this? It seems to imply that the multipose kits are not going to ship with the rest (possibly at all)?

"Our goal is to see all the boxes shipped by the end of the month, miniatures included."

Leads me to think they're referring to the MPMs being included.

They went on to specify in the comments that the hardcover hadn't arrived, and would go out in a second shipment.

Note: I'm aware of the folly that is assuming things when it comes to Wyrd, but that's what my read is so far.

And given that I'm going to be waiting on a hardcover anyway, whether the MPMs come to me with the first shipment or the second isn't likely to make much of a difference.

 Forar wrote:
"Our goal is to see all the boxes shipped by the end of the month, miniatures included."

Leads me to think they're referring to the MPMs being included.

They went on to specify in the comments that the hardcover hadn't arrived, and would go out in a second shipment.

Note: I'm aware of the folly that is assuming things when it comes to Wyrd, but that's what my read is so far.

And given that I'm going to be waiting on a hardcover anyway, whether the MPMs come to me with the first shipment or the second isn't likely to make much of a difference.

Honestly, given the reference to including alternate miniatures, I wouldn't be completely sure that isn't a technical way out ("we never said which miniatures").

That may be overly cynical, but I just don't know how this thing can be shipped when there have not been any pictures of the MPMs. Unless I missed them?

Not since the renders months ago.

I look at it this way; they say they're sending out the hardcovers, which is the Living Room and Gaming Room tiers. If they're missing the MPMs, they're sending out a second wave for the Dining Rooms too, or around 80% of the boxes that are going out.

Difference is sending out 2,300 packages versus sending out 2,700+.

400 packages by FedEx has gotta add up to "dude, just wait another month, feth 'em, they'll bitch either way".

 Buzzsaw wrote:
That may be overly cynical, but I just don't know how this thing can be shipped when there have not been any pictures of the MPMs. Unless I missed them?

Because that's the way Wyrd does things?

I wouldn't get too hung up on the lack of pictures. We need to wait for reports from people who receive their boxes and then make the decision to cheer or scream.

Nearly 2 weeks later, only person that has reported getting their stuff is an Aussie who'll be at Gencon so they shipped him his books for the demo.

Which apparently he's not planning to lug around for a 2 month trip, so he's leaving them at home and will be running games with the pdfs and his own memory.

Good use of time and resources there, chaps. >.>

Success, I get a chance to run it from the pdfs with my gaming group. Character creation is a go on Saturday.

 motyak wrote:
Success, I get a chance to run it from the pdfs with my gaming group. Character creation is a go on Saturday.

You'll enjoy it, I've had a lot of fun the times I've played it.

Let us know how it goes for your group.

I'm guessing we shouldn't hold our breath for pre-GenCon delivery?

 Breotan wrote:
I'm guessing we shouldn't hold our breath for pre-GenCon delivery?

This is probably a safe assumption... :-\

Agreed, and yet flies in the face of them managing to ship a package to Australia in 8 days. Assuming they managed to get everything out by Friday, those boxes should start arriving at homes around the world this week.

Unless they cheaped out on shipping, or are actually waiting for the Hardcovers to come in (as I fear), or... I dunno, just can't be arsed to do it.

I mean, it's been two and a half weeks since they flat out told us they were starting to package things up. They estimated that it would take them a week to do so when they addressed the matter earlier this year, and even if we're generous and assume it took 2, I have to imagine they want that crap out of the warehouse and for the shipping staff to get some downtime before Gencon errupts which is in a week and a half itself.

Ugh. It'd be nice if they dropped us a heads up as to what is going on, but let's face it, they probably aren't going to say squat that isn't related to pimping Gencon at this point.

Isn't Wyrd (in)famous for starting to chug after Gen Con anyway? Or is that another company. Because if it is, you guys could well be waiting a good while afterwards as well.

 motyak wrote:
Isn't Wyrd (in)famous for starting to chug after Gen Con anyway? Or is that another company. Because if it is, you guys could well be waiting a good while afterwards as well.

If I recall correctly, Wyrd takes a little bit (I'd estimate 1.5 - 2 weeks) to get everything set after Gencon, then everything goes out and they are back on track.

I think that they have gotten a lot of bad publicity over what was basically a perfect storm against them (switching warehouses + Kickstarter quality issues + Gencon).

GenCon has always been a terrible time for Wyrd, at least since I started following them after the 2011 GenCon. It generally takes them closer to a month to get the shipments out since their entire staff gathers in Indy for the show. So orders for con exclusives build up during the week long span of the show and then they attempt to get regular shipments and GenCon shipments out the door. It doesn't surprise anyone on Wyrd's boards when people haven't gotten stuff by the middle of October.

If they're not out by GenCon (which starts in 9 days...) then we probably won't see anything till September.

I wish I could say that I empathize, but if they'd dealt with this all, I dunno, last year when they were supposed to, or in Q1, or hell in Q2, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

They flat out admit that they waited too long on the MPMs, and their factory took longer than anticipated and it held the whole thing up. Kudos for admitting where they fethed up, but 'omg Gencon is such a tough time' isn't our fault, and places all the more onus on them because they know it's a rough time for them.

It's not like this crept up on anyone.

Warehouse space comes at a premium, other costs may have been incurred, but they chose not to err on the side of caution, and here we are.

And yes, from watching Gencon 2012 develop, July through September were tough months for them, between prep for GC and participating and the whole damned office getting the 'con crud' and that slowing things down and then being weeks behind in shipping gak out.

I feel like I have a better grasp of the realities of their business model than they do at this point, which is easy to armchair quarterback when I don't have the full picture, but that's mostly because they've failed to provide us with the full picture for the last year and a half.

 Forar wrote:
They flat out admit that they waited too long on the MPMs, and their factory took longer than anticipated and it held the whole thing up. Kudos for admitting where they fethed up, but 'omg Gencon is such a tough time' isn't our fault, and places all the more onus on them because they know it's a rough time for them.

It's not like this crept up on anyone.

Did you catch the video where Mark basically admitted he'd "dropped everything" to work on this other RPG concept game of his over the Christmas holiday? Yea, I've got their kudos right here...

I did not. Link?

Also, Mark? You mean Mack?

Also also, as written, if he was literally on Christmas break, I have no problem with him working on his own personal projects. Even salary folks are entitled to downtime, however they want to spend it.

Anyway, word from the KS comments is that "phase one" of the packages will be shipping out as of yesterday and today.

"What is in 'phase one'?" you might be asking.

vOv Nobody knows.

Soooo, this won't go up for retail until sometime next year?

Word from the KS comments is that a guy who backed at the Core tier received his package, so hopefully at least those went out.

As noted before, it'll be interesting to see when the tiers with the MPMs start arriving (all 3 higher tiers) and the Hardcovers (Living Room, Gaming Room).

As for retail, I wouldn't be surprised if they had the 'big launch' at Gencon and went to retail for September/October.

From the latest issue of Wyrd Chronicles:

And as you can see by the above, it's been that sort of month as we dive and dodge
through getting everything together for the shipping of the Through the Breach
kickstarter (yaaay .. seriously, yaaay with me people ... yaaaaay) which is leaving
the warehouse in overfilled trucks and should be finished and all gone by the time
you read this. For those of you getting the heavy packages of goodness, take a
moment to look through it when you get it and let us know your thoughts. I hope
you are as pleased with the final product as I am.

So, it appears we have two updates in a row. And they both contain good news. The first one contains a pic of the sprue.

Wyrd Miniatures wrote:
Project Update #61: Out the Door!

We can see the floor of the warehouse again!

The majority of the boxes were done last week and out the door, with the last handful being picked up early this week. What that means is that you all should start to see your pledge rewards arriving shortly. The only thing missing from these boxes is the hardcover deluxe book for the game room level, which is still on the way, and will be sent in a second shipment when we have it.

As a little bit of bonus news. When we got the multi-piece minis properly sized, we discovered we had more space so we packed on extras!! More pieces means more minis! In fact a single sprue, either male or female, now can make up to 11 minis. Here is a quick look at what you can do with a single sprue of each.



And here is a look at how packed the sprues are:



Thank you everyone, let us know in the comments when your package arrives!

Eric

This second one contains some shots of boxes on pallets.

Wyrd Miniatures wrote:
Project Update #62: Piles of Boxes

So as I was preparing for the last update, I asked everyone around here if they had take a photo of the piles, but it seemed like no one had...Of course, shortly after the update I hear "Oh, we did take photos, a ton of them!"

So here are palates of rewards waiting to go out the door:



But that's not all, turn around, there are WAY more boxes:



Thanks all!

Eric

Look great from a distance. I'd like to see close ups though. 44 minis for my pledge + others is pretty cool (almost don't mind the wait!).

 02Laney wrote:
Look great from a distance. I'd like to see close ups though. 44 minis for my pledge + others is pretty cool (almost don't mind the wait!).

I'm looking forward to seeing how the minatures come out. They really did manage to fit alot on that sprue.

 Forar wrote:
They flat out admit that they waited too long on the MPMs, and their factory took longer than anticipated and it held the whole thing up. Kudos for admitting where they fethed up, but 'omg Gencon is such a tough time' isn't our fault, and places all the more onus on them because they know it's a rough time for them.

It's not like this crept up on anyone.

This has happened EVERY YEAR. While I do still like wyrd, we've had a bit of falling out and one of the reasons is "OMG we're so swamped cuz gencon". Hire some temps, retailers do it all the time during holiday rushes. Bring on some temporary pickers & packers, I'm sure you could go down to the local highschools, post some flyers & you'd get people who'll do it.

Yeah, I noticed that they got a lot quieter around Gencon time, both preceding and following it. Like, July, August and September.

Which is when I developed my belief that Gencon isn't a weekend for some companies. It's an entire quarter.

I'm a little sad that we've had to wait so long between updates, but I am glad that Eric not only took the time to take the pictures, put out two updates in a day, but also assembled the minis. They do look pretty good. If I don't use them for fated, I've got plenty of NPCs

Where do those multipart miniatures come from? I am looking for Malifaux esque figs, but a lot of the metals left me wanting posability.. looking at that sprue shot.. I think this might be a good fit for my needs.

Is it possible that they will hit retail at some point as a box set?

I assume they will go into retail at some point, maybe they'll have them available on the webshop during gencon.

Keeping an eye on ebay the comming weeks may prove fruitfull to, a lot of people got 2-4 boxes with their pledge and may be selling them off as they dont need any/that many.

Yes, they've said that the two MPM boxes will be available at retail eventually, but I don't believe they've even estimated a timeframe yet.

Presumably they ordered more than they needed to fulfill backer packages (it'd be insane to fall short on such a thing), so from watching their past behaviour, it wouldn't surprise me if a small number were made available during the Black Friday or Easter sale.

Also, check ebay/craigslist/trade forums. Dining Room and Gaming Room backers got 2 of each box, so I imagine at least some will end up on the secondary market in the coming weeks.

Oh gosh I do hope they sell them at retail and don't pull a GW on this one. Great mini. Here's a video of the mould gathering dust in a factory corner.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Oh gosh I do hope they sell them at retail and don't pull a GW on this one. Great mini. Here's a video of the mould gathering dust in a factory corner.

On Facebook (Eric himself posts in A Wyrd Place, a Facebook group), I believe he said that they definitely want to get them out, but by Gencon would be tough (and probably quite unfair to backers that didn't have their sets yet).

EDIT: Personally, I think I'm going to pick up the male set to make some Latigo Pistoleros for my Guild.

So, the books are definitely a thing because my copy just arrived! In addition to the two books, the fate deck and Miss Terious for pledging early, they also threw in the Ramos M&SU starter with a little sticker on it that says "Thank you for your patience"

Not too shabby

Well at lest they're starting to roll in to houses and in the UK even!

Praying mine arrives today, because otherwise it'll probably show up next week.

While I'm out of the country.

:-/

 Forar wrote:
I did not. Link?

Also, Mark? You mean Mack?

Also also, as written, if he was literally on Christmas break, I have no problem with him working on his own personal projects. Even salary folks are entitled to downtime, however they want to spend it.

Mack. I don't know why I keep calling him Mark. Anyway, I finally found the link for you.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/582588.page

My comments were added to the OP so you can read them there. In the video, Mack said he dropped everything to work on this sci-fi RPG during the holiday break. In industry terms, "holiday break" means much of December and the first week of January - work days, not vacation days. Now, I don't have any problems with Mack doing whatever he wants on his personal time. What irritates me is that he stopped working on a kickstarter-funded RPG to develop his own speculative game in the hopes Wyrd would give it a green light.

Let me ask you this, Forar. What would the general reaction be if Dreamforge Games or the guys at Raging Heroes stopped work for a month to develop their own pet projects instead of keeping their kickstarters on schedule?

The people with the pdf's, did you get the extra unlocked content and did it look like it was worth those extra thousands they asked for it?

 Breotan wrote:
My comments were added to the OP so you can read them there. In the video, Mack said he dropped everything to work on this sci-fi RPG during the holiday break. In industry terms, "holiday break" means much of December and the first week of January - work days, not vacation days. Now, I don't have any problems with Mack doing whatever he wants on his personal time. What irritates me is that he stopped working on a kickstarter-funded RPG to develop his own speculative game in the hopes Wyrd would give it a green light.

Let me ask you this, Forar. What would the general reaction be if Dreamforge Games or the guys at Raging Heroes stopped work for a month to develop their own pet projects instead of keeping their kickstarters on schedule?

I think you're ignoring some pertinent details; even if Mack abandoned work on TtB for Feb/part of Jan, we still got the completed PDFs at the end of February, so clearly that month didn't interfere too heavily with the completion of the 2 TtB books. And even if that's the case 'in the industry' (I still think it's a plain language statement), that '5 or so weeks' you're describing still presumabyl loses 1-2 weeks (or more?) to the actual literal holidays. So 2-3'ish weeks? Meh.

And given that it ended up being delayed a year, a couple of weeks or even a month is a drop in the bucket. Would I be happy? No, but Wyrd's fethed so much of this project up that even the lead taking a month long 'creative vacation' is kinda low ire garnering compared to 'oops, it somehow took us 3 times as long to get the minis made than we'd anticipated'.

Anyone not need their Hanna, Fate Deck, and/or Build a Character Sprue?

 BrookM wrote:
The people with the pdf's, did you get the extra unlocked content and did it look like it was worth those extra thousands they asked for it?

The books were pretty thorough, and I haven't looked specifically at which content areas were listed as added, but the thoroughness of details was at very least nice for giving a sense of world. I can look more, later...

Also,I tforget i they were going to send any digital exclusive. If so, we haven't seen that.


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Okay, skimming through the content since I'm getting up slowly anyways. These are based on playing Malifaux and other RPGs, since I haven't played TTB

General:
-malifaux illustration so color is of course nice. Illustrations are very cool, but sometimes feel padded regarding size (IDK how common this is in RPGS, been a while since I've flipped through one)

Fated:
-additional pursuits are very good: without them, starting classes would have felt a bit generic, I expect.
-the gear section is padded, but it's mostly padded with lots of very fun character and world details. Also, most weapons aren't just a stat line, so the variety does look like it serves a purpose (compare to D&D 3 where some weapons were just obviously better). The section could be smaller, but I like the history (being an RPG player, world stuff matters)
-magic : the section is pretty dense. I expect the space went straight to content.
-advanced pursuits: these add some more specific classes


Fatemaster's:
-dispositions are't in it, I assume they got renamed?
-the skirmish rules are pretty light, mostly because the RPG has similar structure to the skirmish game
-the bestiary is something I feel would be pretty necessary, not sure how you play without that...

Huh, first Hannah I've seen on ebay: $300 or best offer.

Honestly I'm surprised it took so long for one to get on there, though from the way people have been mentioning getting their boxes, it does seem the started with the core boxes and perhaps the living rooms. ie; the boxes with Hannah might have been wave 2 (coincidentally or otherwise).

Very interested to see how the secondary market reacts, and what the availability ends up being like. Only a trickle of the stuff seems to be popping up so far, but I imagine that'll change next week when more of the boxes start landing.

Got my pledge today (sans hardbacks), and I also got a Ramos MSU box as a thank you. Unfortunately I had this one, so off to ebay it goes lol.

My multipart minis are also the wrong scale, more along the lines of a 35-40mm. For example the female body towers over Von Schill, even before you add her head. I also have 13 figures per sprue instead of the 11. I wonder if they sent the old screwed up versions by mistake?

Got my pledge today, two copies of the fatemasters kit and no books... Off to contact me on kickstarter I go...

While I respect that there are always going to be slips across 1,500'ish boxes... it is kind of funny that part of the reason they declared that they'd *only* have 4 tiers and zero add ons was to keep things simple for the warehouse.

Missing the books is kind of a huge thing.

 Forar wrote:
While I respect that there are always going to be slips across 1,500'ish boxes... it is kind of funny that part of the reason they declared that they'd *only* have 4 tiers and zero add ons was to keep things simple for the warehouse.

Missing the books is kind of a huge thing.

Yeah I've got a huge pile of stuff and no way to play the game... It will be interesting to see how long it takes them to get back to me

Yeah, especially with Gencon, it might be a while.

Hopefully it's sooner rather than later.

So now that they are getting out to backers, I may find it easier to run my game soon. Fingers crossed!

Also, we have a criminal and a graverobber so far, 2 players yet to put their fated together. I can see where this is going...

Woot, I got my box today at long last ! And before GenCon too

The little "Thanks" message to the Kickstarter backers are a nice touch, especially since it came with a "No Shelter Here" Pandora starter

I've been reading the book, and I've dug out a couple of my figs that I'd thrown in the box. Got some giant rats, and a couple of Ronin, as well as the Victoria's.

Players book has so much more information on the game that it fits in very well with the fiction in the other books. The character process is sweet. Only thing left for you is to set up your own crew and play it out on the tabletop. Not a big fan of the multipart figures, they seem a little... off. The add on factioonals have some great possibilities as contacts, or antagonists.

Fatemaster book is a good start.

Both books need some more proofreading, but not as bad as they did when they were free downloads.

All in al, as much as Wyrd ticked me off, the game really has some possibilities.

My pledge package looks identical to the picture. No Shelter Here is my box, as well. I'm looking back at the V2 of the game. I might have to go on ahead and give it another go, if for anything to use the figures in the cowboys vs cthuhlu stuff coming out from Flying Frog.

Book turned out a little better then I expected, seeing as they dicked up the communication and follow-through on the play testing.

 Breotan wrote:


Let me ask you this, Forar. What would the general reaction be if Dreamforge Games or the guys at Raging Heroes stopped work for a month to develop their own pet projects instead of keeping their kickstarters on schedule?

You mean, like Raging Heroes is doing *right now*?
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/loudnraging/raging-heroes-the-toughest-girls-of-the-galaxy/posts
We took it in stride, what else were we going to do? It's not like they aren't already late. France is almost completely shut down right now. My borough of Montreal as well, by extention.

I was going to use those minis for Inquisitorial retinues... but seeing as that won't pan out most probably... I'll just get them to sigh at and then hope I can use them later. After GenCon would be dandy, honestly. As long as they hit retail, period.

Well, at least people are getting their stuff. Hopefully I'll be seeing mine before too long. If they shipped these alphabetically, I could be waiting a while though. :(

There's *no* bestiary or some people mistakenly didn't receive it?

It is a separate book?

Or a 'stretch goal' section that wasn't reached?

I'm confused...

Got mine today. About 1 hour outside Toronto.
Came FedEx with no charges.

Got the Sonia box, which is the one that I wanted. Can't open it all until later as I'm doing a reno job now.

 Alpharius wrote:
There's *no* bestiary or some people mistakenly didn't receive it?

It is a separate book?

Or a 'stretch goal' section that wasn't reached?

I'm confused...

does the gm guide have rules for making them?

If anyone else is going to GenCon, I will have my pitchfork and my flaming torch... I'm fairly certain that I'm not going to have my stuff before GenCon... so... they're most likely going to be selling Through the Breach at GenCon while there are some backers still out in the cold waiting for their stuff...

:-\

 Alpharius wrote:
There's *no* bestiary or some people mistakenly didn't receive it?

It is a separate book?

Or a 'stretch goal' section that wasn't reached?

I'm confused...

There is a base section in the Fatemasters guide. ( One of the issues with the proofreading I was alluding to. One issue with the book- it wasn't written by someone of the caliber that FFG pays for their stuff.)

It isn't clear-cut, but it starts on page 119 to 207 and it is not written consistently. some have art, some don't. Some have a half a paragraph blurb, some have a page or two. The art is good when you get it, but not all of the beasts have pictures.

For as much space in the fatemasters book, they could have removed the beasts and given them their own book, and spent a little more time on fleshing out the concept work that they have through the manual. If they would try doing what D and D did with their book, and added more charts, card graphs, and even NPC generation space, they would have done a little better then the product so far.

It's not a bad book, but it could have been better for all of the delay and information out there on the game now.

Some of the stuff in there, I just want to rip out and rewrite my own to fit the bill.

I was hoping they would have some floor plans, some more info on the burgs then was already out there and rehashed no more then three times throughout the books, and already available. The do not talk about the new crews, they do not go into older material anymore then players already have read through in the previous books. If you have the other Malfaux books, you can do better by using what they have available in them.

A game of this caliber honestly needs a living rulebook/ fatemaster rulebook. It is written as all of the books are with snippets and discussions from the characters in games perspective, and man on the street types.

If you want some extra figs to use for character fodder- REAPERS steampunk figures and a few of their monsters would really fill what you need. I'm gathering up some giant and colossal rats, as well as some of their Steampunk characters, weremonsters, and other odds and ends that will do in a pinch, as well as double over when I get the flying frog board game.

The book is a good start, but I'll really be waiting for V2, when it comes out. there is a lot of room that this game and the books need to cover that hasn't even been touched yet...

 Grot 6 wrote:


There is a base section in the Fatemasters guide. ( One of the issues with the proofreading I was alluding to. One issue with the book- it wasn't written by someone of the caliber that FFG pays for their stuff.)

Pretty sure their lead designer actually worked heavily on the 40kRPG systems, though wyrd hasn't had the best editing history.

 Alfndrate wrote:
If anyone else is going to GenCon, I will have my pitchfork and my flaming torch... I'm fairly certain that I'm not going to have my stuff before GenCon... so... they're most likely going to be selling Through the Breach at GenCon while there are some backers still out in the cold waiting for their stuff...

:-\

Yes, I want my stuff but I'm not going to hold that against them. Not having product at GenCon is just silly.

Just got my cache of wyrd goodness. I was in for the dining room pledge... open graves as bonus box - very nice. The multi-pose minis are great. Can't moan about Miss, Santana and Hannah either! The fatemasters kit is very chunky too (open it later)

Have people gotten confirmation numbers, or is stuff just appearing in the mail?

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Have people gotten confirmation numbers, or is stuff just appearing in the mail?

Just stuff showing up in the mail.

No numbers were sent out is what most people are saying.
My package turned up but i received no mail that it was shipped and no tracking numbers.

Okay, cool, thanks for the info- just wondering how much time before mine shows up.

Really hoping that mine shows up soon! I've not been following a lot of the behind the scenes drama, but does anyone know why Mack left Wyrd?

No- I hadn't even heard he had. That's rough, wondering how the game will go with one of the main writers gone even before it's publicly available.

Funny is that FedEx apparently holds packages for 5 business days.

I'm out of town all week on business.

Depending on when they ship things back and when it came in, there's a non-zero chance it'll be sent back to them through no fault of mine.

That'd be fun.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
No- I hadn't even heard he had. That's rough, wondering how the game will go with one of the main writers gone even before it's publicly available.

Maybe I'm wrong, but he was such a part of the outward communication for so long and now you never hear from him and Nathan (or Eric) mentioned that they lost some people who were on the project and that contributed to the delays.

Like I said, I may be wrong, but I'm curious what he's up to now.

There was a post on his Facebook several months back where Mack said he was officially a freelancer again.

Found it, looks like it was pretty civil and mutual. And now back to waiting patiently for my TtB stuff to arrive...

Still no TtB, I could have driven to Wyrd and back several times now...

If That guy left, that is going to explain a lot.

Problem is that this is fried gold if they do it right, and actually stick a good team on it for awhile to give it some love. if not, this was a waste of time, and my first impression on them using to funding for V2, and giving us a turd-stick was apparently correct.

The RPG is simply too large a piece of work to only five and dime it. There are a lot of quality things that the game has, and a lot of info in there that just outright seems dropped in as filler.

As of now though, I've read through enough of it that I'd actually like to see a couple of modules, and see if this world could take a little more shaping, and give us some good material to not have to work that much harder for it. To me, its bad enough that the fan boy base on their forum is half stepping and kowtowing to ego. Its pretty much another that they have a pretty good idea and are letting it die on the vine while they pee in the fan bases face and say that its rain.

My impression right now is that the game is in its rough stages, and Fatemasters and players are going to have to work for it. If you run a concept, and use some stuff like Maltese Soulstone, or Fistful of Corpses, or the Quick and the Undead, you have yourself a basic overview of an adventure, and you can fill in the details with.

That's one of the charms of the game, to me. You can pretty much develop a easy concept and then put meat on the bones fairly simply, much to my surprise that the designers keep messing around with the game to the point that they are at right now.

Card concept stays the same. You use your own "Character, and they evolve from simple get off the train and see what's going on, and go through some adventures, as well as being able to use the figures and your V2 game to play out some of the encounters and interact with some of the crews. As of now, the Resurectionists, and the Guilders are some of the major factors in the game right now. the way that they are spun, your going to be going through a couple of iterations for your character as they walk that long road.

Those of you who have the game, what do you think so far?

Are the sprues rather generic, or are there ways to identify your "character" with other factions too? I'm thinking Ten Thunders and Neverborn, mainly. Gremlins I'm assuming can be well served by the plethora of crews coming out soon?

Heh, I see Wyrd are hiring an RPG developer..

Edit: Hmm come to think of it, wasn't Mack going to be writing the "Penny Dreadfuls" post-release content?

Okay, my stuff arrived today so that's essentially one more kickstarter I can stop worrying about. I went the figure route as I don't really do RPG stuff so I'm not worried about the delay on the books.

The TtB stuff available through their online store during Gen Con, will that be available after Gen Con? Or is it only during then con then available again in a few months, sort of like a con exclusive?

They will be available at some point after the Gencon but Wyrd does not reveal the dates in which this happens. Nonetheless the earliest things will become available is end of September (~26th) but may be as late as January of February next year. Depends where stock production is currently

Thanks for your help, ordering during Gen Con it is. How many days do we have to order it?

The store normally opens on Wednesday night just before the con and closes at the same time as the con

Finally got my TtB stuff.

The male multi part models are for sale on the gencon webshop, the female ones are not.

Note: the female set appears to be offscale, the legs are a couple of mm to long, leading to the models being up to a full head longer then other malifaux models. Seeing that they are not selling them at gencon i guess Wyrd knows but nothing has been communicated about this to the backers.

On another note, a lot of people who have a pledge that includes 2 limited decks are reporting that they are getting one limited and one arcane deck (the new deck that is going on normal sale).

Yeah. Frankly, that's BS.

If they ran short, hopefully the arcanes are supplemented with a second KS deck when the HC's go out. Not to be greedy here, but changing the deal after the Campaign is uncouth, doing so without even showing the common courtesy of mentioning it while sending us updates about delivery finally happening days even less positive things.

I guess we'll find out in a week or two what the word will be on he FMPM sprues and the decks, hopefully along with some idea where he HC's are. I'm not expecting it, but that'd be nice.

Also, I received an email from Wyrd telling me that FedEx had reported to them that they weren't able to deliver to me. No kidding. I've been out of town all week, and since I didn't have a tracking number, the FedEx agent I spoke to couldn't help me.

 Forar wrote:
Yeah. Frankly, that's BS.

If they ran short, hopefully the arcanes are supplemented with a second KS deck when the HC's go out. Not to be greedy here, but changing the deal after the Campaign is uncouth, doing so without even showing the common courtesy of mentioning it while sending us updates about delivery finally happening days even less positive things.

I guess we'll find out in a week or two what the word will be on he FMPM sprues and the decks, hopefully along with some idea where he HC's are. I'm not expecting it, but that'd be nice.

Also, I received an email from Wyrd telling me that FedEx had reported to them that they weren't able to deliver to me. No kidding. I've been out of town all week, and since I didn't have a tracking number, the FedEx agent I spoke to couldn't help me.

This sounds about par for the course on the whole project, Like a little mutant Little engine that could mess anything up it touched. Hope you get your stuff soon, In my opinion, you've been a very good sport for Wyrd, and absolutely 100% deserve a better serving of the game then most.

That's very kind of you to say. Running on about 3 hours sleep in the last two days, I completed a training course out of town, got home despite the world's best attempts to stop me, picked up my box with 15 minutes to spare before fedex closed, and walked it all home, covering a good 5k between the two while dragging my luggage along for the ride. Hopping a cab would've been the wiser choice, but I figured I could use something to help put me out by the time I crashed tonight.

Anyway, enough rambling. At a glance, the box appears to be secure. Some damage in transport to the exterior, but reasonably well packed. Got Mother of Monsters as my 'apology box', and got one Arcane and one TtB fate deck (ugh, I'm pretty sure that was not part of the deal. Whatever.), and haven't cracked much of anything yet. Think I'll give away a couple of choice items, keep a few for myself and pitch the rest onto the local secondary market. I'd go for ebay or here or bartertown, but I'd rather have cash in hand and not have to deal with shipping.

I'm still waiting for mine...

Unfortunately it appears that Wyrd is shipping alphabetically. And I will be waiting till S... I've seen A, C, and F get their stuff. .

I don't know if they ship by alphabet, my last name starts with W and I got my package in over a week ago actually. Might be that they ship alphabetically by nation or continent ofcourse and there being less backers in Europe.

Yeah, my last name starts with W as well, and it arrived on Monday of this past week.

If there were multiple waves, it may involve the backer number a bit, but I imagine we both backed very early, Alf. Maybe your local crew just kinda sucks?

If it's not in hand by the end of next week I'd reach out. By then they should at least have picked themselves up off the floor from Gencon, even if the Warehouse is on the verge of open mutiny.

Edit, also by tier. Keep in mind how many core boxes started showing up at the start. I imagine those got a lead on the middle and top tiers.

I believe I was the middle tier... I'm just getting a little miffed that people at GenCon got theirs before me. Call me selfish, but I was also expecting this a year ago...

By the way, if anyone in the Toronto area is looking for books, minis, or some combination thereof, I'm selling off most of my stuff from a Gaming Room tier.

Trying to stay local, because as noted, paypal and shipping are a pain in the ass and this is kind of a hectic month.

Just a heads up. Might start a swap shop thread, but I thought I'd give you guys the heads up first. I'll also let you guys know if I open that up to a wider audience (Swap Shop, ebay, whatever).

Currently have up:

-Fated Guide
-Fatemaster's Guide
-Fatemaster's Kit (character sheets, FM screen)
-1 of each Multi-Pose Mini sprue (note, each only comes with 5 bases, despite being able to supposedly make ~11 figures, also the female sprue is apparently a couple mm too tall, for those who care about absolute scale)
-Arcade Fate Deck
- Mother of Monsters (Lilith's Plastic figure crew box)

Plus the following Limited Edition items:

- LE Hannah
- Santana (seems to have minor box damage, possibly from before being sent?)
- "Nightmare" Hanging Tree
- Miss Terious
- LE Fate Deck

Hannah, Santana, Miss Terious, Hanging Tree all come with M2E stat cards. All items as I received them in the mail.

Edit: http://wyrd-games.net/community/topic/102734-upcoming-changes/

Apparently they are aware of the Female MPM issue, but are not planning a resolution, which I'm not surprised by, and hopefully doesn't disappoint too many people. There is no news currently on the status of the Hardcover books. When the Hardcovers go out, they'll be sending along a second Limited Fate Deck to those that lack one. All in all, a better/quicker response than I anticipated.

I went with Dining Room so I didn't get the Hanging tree. I've already got extra of it so I'm not really missing anything other than the 2E card.

I'm watching a set of the core books and they are going for ~£95 plus shipping with still four days to go on the auction. The MPM sets are fetching good money too - around £35 plus shipping. I guess the kickstarter was a success for some people - those who never intended to keep their stuff

Ah well, I'm sure Wyrd will sell the MPM boxed sets eventually.

Eh, it was a gamble speculating on this one. If you added up what we were getting versus what we were paying, it's not like we paid a quarter of MSRP here or anything.

Frankly, I think it's a couple of things in action.

1) the tiers that are getting the hardcover. Having a second round of books coming probably means there are a number of people looking to offload one of them.

B) M2E. Flat out, the edition change caused a bit of a schism, and some backers may be walking away from the franchise/Wyrd.

iii) The timing. 12 months ago may have had an entirely different sales profile versus now. Being a year late, compounded with frustratingly bad communications haven't done the project any favours.

00110100) Things change. People have unexpected bills come up, they realize they may have overspent a little and need to make that right when they get the opportunity, they may simply not have time for it right now and figure they'll snag copies later when finances aren't so tight.

Not to insinuate that you're projecting all this upon others, just trying to express some of the reasons I've seen people comment as to why they might or are going to part with some or all of their stuff.

When I got my Gaming Room, it was with the idea of a friend snagging a set of books off me. That seems to have fallen through, and sadly, the move to M2E split my group to a degree that it's a rare blue moon that a game of 1.5 even gets played (it's a long and admittedly stupid story), so I basically went from "maybe I'll sell a set of books and a deck or something" to "whelp, I'm tired of this gak, bills need paying, let's sort something out."

So , for as far as the offscale female multi part models go a wyrd staffer posted that the issue is known but they see no need to fix it as it's for ttb (apparantly rp models don't have to be in scale with eachother).

Well, ~1,250 boxes shipped out alone would be tens of thousands of dollars, plus the figures themselves (cheap as the sprues themselves are, it'd start to add up in the thousands, given that it'd be more like 2k+ if they replaced ALL of them), plus depressed retail demand due to however many hitting the market, etc.

I'm trying to empathize with those for whom this is a problem, and not minimize it, but I can see from their perspective, with an unwanted second wave of shipping already lined up for the hardcovers, how uninterested they'd be in doing a third wave when the FMPM's get fixed and arrive whenever that might be (months from now?)

And yes, customer service oriented as the companies I like to work with generally are, ideally they'd still strive to rectify the problem, but I can understand there being limits to how far they can justify going.

I suppose a compromise could be to allow people to write in if they want a replacement and thus send them out to those who care, but that risks, like, everyone joining in just to get a free bonus sprue or two.

I understand it would be to expensive to change it.
However, brushing it off with 'it doesnt matter for ttb' is something that really sits wrong with me.

Update 59 -
"...and the mini sets were finalized by our factory at an incompatible size! That meant making our manufacturers redo them FAST and reship them all."

"All we are waiting on is the redone/fixed multi-piece minis, which we hope to have very very soon. "

This is one of the reasons given for the delays with the project. It was implied that they delayed the shipment of this project to fix the scale issue with the miniatures. Are they trying to say that they screwed up the scaling on the minis *TWICE*?

Yeah, it doesn't sit right with me either. As noted, I'm not super bothered by it, but it'd be nice if the answer were better. All told, I'm tired enough of things that I suppose I just can't find it in me to care at the moment, but respect that it does greatly annoy some others. As someone who is very much still an amateur to miniatures, it's just not something I have the expertise in to really catch.

And yes, it does appear that the factory managed to screw up scaling on this twice, at least for the FMPM's.

 Alfndrate wrote:
I'm still waiting for mine...

Unfortunately it appears that Wyrd is shipping alphabetically. And I will be waiting till S... I've seen A, C, and F get their stuff. .

Can't be shipping alphabetically. I got mine the Friday before GenCon and I'm in the back end of the alphabet.

Far as we know, all the wave one boxes have been shipped. Individual locations or services might be taking a little longer than expected, but they should all have been in the system for the last 2 weeks.

If someone's package didn't arrive by Friday, I'd probably reach out to them. Apparently they didn't use FedEx for everyone, but when they tried to deliver mine, FedEx called them up, and they in turn emailed me with the tracking info, so at least some people should be able to find out what's going on that way.

I'm resigning myself to being the last package sent for my vitriol towards Wyrd for how they handled this.

Side note: received my second half of my dead zone rewards. A kickstarter I backed paid for and received before I got anything physical from Wyrd on TtB.

It could well be that when they asked the factory to redo the female MPM (as they said the factory had done it wrong) the factory was able to show that they'd done exactly what was asked of them and the error was on Wyrds end

so no free re-do, and so as has been said, wyrd decided it would be too expensive to pay for a complete new tool & production & shipping


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but even so I think they should at least be offering refunds to those who wish to return them (and the rest of their stuff)

Forar, still have a few of those minis on hand?

Looking for the MPM sprues. Bases are not a problem. I need to check what Miss Terious is.

 Forar wrote:
Eh, it was a gamble speculating on this one. If you added up what we were getting versus what we were paying, it's not like we paid a quarter of MSRP here or anything.

Frankly, I think it's a couple of things in action.

1) the tiers that are getting the hardcover. Having a second round of books coming probably means there are a number of people looking to offload one of them.

B) M2E. Flat out, the edition change caused a bit of a schism, and some backers may be walking away from the franchise/Wyrd.

iii) The timing. 12 months ago may have had an entirely different sales profile versus now. Being a year late, compounded with frustratingly bad communications haven't done the project any favours.

00110100) Things change. People have unexpected bills come up, they realize they may have overspent a little and need to make that right when they get the opportunity, they may simply not have time for it right now and figure they'll snag copies later when finances aren't so tight.

Not to insinuate that you're projecting all this upon others, just trying to express some of the reasons I've seen people comment as to why they might or are going to part with some or all of their stuff.

When I got my Gaming Room, it was with the idea of a friend snagging a set of books off me. That seems to have fallen through, and sadly, the move to M2E split my group to a degree that it's a rare blue moon that a game of 1.5 even gets played (it's a long and admittedly stupid story), so I basically went from "maybe I'll sell a set of books and a deck or something" to "whelp, I'm tired of this gak, bills need paying, let's sort something out."

It came down to the basic ill will and no KS supporter love that weird decided to provide the war on...

It burned a hell of lots of bridges.

For me it started with M2E which my playgroup and I didn't like, then it was the post from Mack on July 3rd 2013 stating that the book probably wouldn't be finished in time for GenCon, which was followed by an email/KS update saying everything was still on track. Then it was the post from Mack about having the book finished by end of August which was followed up by several months of open beta testing (which I pointed out could have started months before right after the initial closed beta happened). Then it was the complete and utter lack of updates.

Wyrd burned the bridge, burned the land, and stuck their fingers in their ears yelling "we can't hear you!" over and over until we left. It became clear there were other more important things on their plate.

So, it has been a month and a half since shipping commenced. I imagine Gencon shipments have also kept them busy, but anyone else starting to get the feeling we're going to be waiting a long while for the hardcovers?

Not to come across as an ungrateful donkey cave, but when they told us that the HC's would hold things up 'a couple of weeks', a month and a half should cover a good chunk of that disparity, right?

Hopefully they at least give us an idea of what is going on in the next two weeks. I'm not expecting it, but it'd be nice of them to finish a bit stronger on the communications, rather than petering out as they started.

Is it possible that the people at Wyrd simply forgot that they still have to do those hardcover books?

That or the warehouse staff are currently uprising in a mutiny between the first wave of shipping, Gencon, and whatever second wave might or might not be pending in the near future.

Were you able to sell your swag, Forar? *hint, hint*

Some of it.

Still have available;

FM Guide
Fated Guide
FM Kit
Arcane Deck

Hannah
Santana
LE Fate Deck

Sorry to say but the MPM pack already sold. Had a few nibbles on Hannah and the books, but nobody has committed to them just yet.

Kind of surprised how little interest there has been in Santana. I guess tossing ~1,300 of them 'into the wild' satisfied a really massive chunk of the demand.

At this point I've made back over half of my contribution, so that's alleviated some of the pressure (trying to pay off some bills due to some shenanigans earlier this year, it's a long story), so I'm not in any rush just yet, but if there's anything you're interested in, let me know, maybe we can work something out. Might be time to branch out a little, at least to solid Canadian members of the Dakka community. Not gonna hit the wilds of eBay just yet.

Mathieu, I know that Cyporiean was trying to move her rewards, I believe she had somewhere around the 125 level.

So, if anyone has been following on the KS Comments or the TtB playtest forums, my woes with getting this gak have finally been answered. At the end of August (a month ago) I sent in a service request to figure out where the flying feth my stuff was, Nathan emailed me and said they were looking into it, and if I hadn't heard anything within a day to email Kelly at Wyrd and gave me her email. Kelly emailed the next day said my package was scanned for shipment but never left the warehouse so they were going to pack me up a new one and send that out (If it never left, why did they have to pack up a new one?). I waited a week from initial request to Kelly's email. Two weeks went by and I hadn't heard anything so I sent in a reply to my support request asking what was going on with stuff. Aaron, the chap that's been answering questions on Wyrd's forums and the KS comments told me that Kelly was traveling for work (for 2 weeks?) and that he'd get me a definitive answer. That was a week ago, but Monday night I received an email from a Victoria stating that my package was lost in transit and that a new one had been packaged up and sent via FedEx, and that if the other one ever did show up, it was mine to keep. That email was sent around the same time as a FedEx tracking email... so apparently this stuff isn't vaporware, and it's on its way to my house...

Edit: Holy balls it'll be here tomorrow...

 Alfndrate wrote:
Mathieu, I know that Cyporiean was trying to move her rewards, I believe she had somewhere around the 125 level.

So, if anyone has been following on the KS Comments or the TtB playtest forums, my woes with getting this gak have finally been answered. At the end of August (a month ago) I sent in a service request to figure out where the flying feth my stuff was, Nathan emailed me and said they were looking into it, and if I hadn't heard anything within a day to email Kelly at Wyrd and gave me her email. Kelly emailed the next day said my package was scanned for shipment but never left the warehouse so they were going to pack me up a new one and send that out (If it never left, why did they have to pack up a new one?). I waited a week from initial request to Kelly's email. Two weeks went by and I hadn't heard anything so I sent in a reply to my support request asking what was going on with stuff. Aaron, the chap that's been answering questions on Wyrd's forums and the KS comments told me that Kelly was traveling for work (for 2 weeks?) and that he'd get me a definitive answer. That was a week ago, but Monday night I received an email from a Victoria stating that my package was lost in transit and that a new one had been packaged up and sent via FedEx, and that if the other one ever did show up, it was mine to keep. That email was sent around the same time as a FedEx tracking email... so apparently this stuff isn't vaporware, and it's on its way to my house...

Edit: Holy balls it'll be here tomorrow...

I've been having some difficulty with Wyrd and their shipping too.

In my shipment from Wyrd for this Kickstarter I didn't receive the softcover rulebooks. I had to put in a ticket for them, I heard back relativly quickly but the package took forever to get to me. Then I placed an order for over $100 during Gencon so I could get this years Miss, It wasn't in the box I received. I put in a ticket, I heard back realtivly quickly but never received it. I put in another ticket about the missing Miss last week, they claim to have shipped me another one, we will see if I ever receive it.

Yeah, at this point I'd just like the hardcover to come in and to wash my hands of the whole thing. Maybe give it a whirl with my usual gaming group, but with other games coming in and a wide selection of favourites already in hand, it's going to be competing with a bunch of other stuff for table time, and at this point it's kind of a losing battle.

The amount wasted on shipping is ridiculous. That alone ought to be a concern for a company. Or they really are just shifting blame...

... that's never happened before in the history of ever.

According to the parents, it's finally fething here...

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
The amount wasted on shipping is ridiculous. That alone ought to be a concern for a company. Or they really are just shifting blame...

... that's never happened before in the history of ever.

The amount wasted on shipping to me would suggest that they have a "problem" somewhere.

Yeah their stance on shipping is kind of weird. So at Gencon time (and I've confirmed it in past years as well) if you order $100 of product they give you a "Miss" model. You would think that you should be able to order say $200 in product and get two of them. No you can't, but you can place two orders at the same time, from the same person, going to the same address. That just makes more work for them because people do just that, and it costs more for the buyer because shipping on those orders was a minimum of $16. You'd think it would be easy to just look at the invoice and go "$200....2 plastic bears"

Something is backwords in the house of Wyrd.

Yeah. It seems to be a form of artificial scarcity, but comes at the detriment of having people put in like 4 orders rather than one giant one.

I'll bet the hours of hassle and headaches in the warehouse alone would be worth just dividing orders by $100 and giving out Miss _____ figures that way.

I mean, it's their prerogative, but it seems counter productive to me, especially with how much they have (at least in the past) complained about the massive piles of work that Gencon causes them.

As a customer the reason I dislike it is because I spent $50 in shipping across 3 separate orders. I'm betting 1 large shipment would have cost me about $25.

Doing something like that creates an artificial minimum value on the Miss___ (or whatever they're giving away per $100 order) because for me to buy from Wyrd versus any other online retailer I'm giving up a 25% discount. That and Wyrd shipping is pretty terrible about $6-$8 more than I'd pay elsewhere. So by that math I wouldn't let a Miss Ery go for less than $31.

I got into Malifaux this year and I made three orders. I'm keeping and have built one, and the 2nd went to a trade for Johana. I've got one lying around now, I'll use it for trade the next time some comes up that I don't want to spend money on. But future Black Friday's and Gencons I'm going to keep this in mind and maybe not make so many separate orders.

I finally got the Miss Teddy or whatever its called.

In Wyrd's defense, were lucky that they extend their gencon offers to their webstore at all. Alot of companies that do convention exclusives don't do that.

Yes, offering them is something not all Gencon attending companies do. How they go about doing so, however, has always seemed a bit nonsensical.

Unless they're making a bit of cash off shipping fees, or the larger boxes cost exorbitantly more, it's literally just making more work for the warehouse sending 2-4+ boxes to certain houses, when I imagine it'd be faster and more cost effective for everyone involved if they just shipped out one or two larger boxes.

Not that they care what I think about the matter. I just find it strange that they'd set up a system to add extra boxes to those that need to go out during the busy Gencon period, and then seem to complain each year about how loaded down the warehouse staff is post Gencon. They're actively making things worse for said staff with this policy.

And here's the latest update, so I'm not just necro'ing a conversation from three weeks back.

Hello backers!

Hope everyone is doing well and able to enjoy Through the Breach. I'm here to give you a small update on the hardcover special edition books. Here are some quick pictures of what the book looks like:






They came out very nicely, and we hope that you'll like them. They're moving along, but it'll take some time for all of them to ship here and go through customs on both ends. Once we have them, we have to check them over and then ship them out ourselves. This means that it is likely they won't be in your hands until December or even January. They will, of course, ship along with the additional TTB Limited Edition Fate Decks.

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I bought out Cyp's pledge and... was it worth it? Hannah had an arm missing on the sprue, as well as a hand missing from the bonus crew in the box (not Cyp's fault, everything was in shrink-wrap) Both were fixable.

But the spelling, syntax and grammar mistakes in the books. Oi Vey. As a non-native speaker, you'd think I'd be able to gloss over those, but some are glaring. I saw some its it's and double words in there...

Yeah, I trust Wyrd's game mechanics (my RPG group has hit had a bit of a dry spot this fall so I can't comment on play), but wow are there some embarrassing errors in that book.

Mack had the backers edit the book, in addition to the two paid employees that were hired to edit the book and the mistakes are still atrociously there.

Also, I'm glad I didn't get the HC book, that cover art critter looks bad and the cover art in general looks just flat...

There was some grumbling on the official Wyrd forums that some backers had noticed errors they had caught in proofreading were still there.

I think that was back when we got the PDF's, but apparently some didn't get corrected. I haven't read through yet myself, probably wait for the hardcover to arrive in a few months (have plenty on my plate for Nov/Dec), but that's a shame.

Alf, yeah, Nathan seems to love the new Daydream art, and I agree that I'm happier with just the normal versions, since I'm not a fan of those covers either.

Forar wrote:There was some grumbling on the official Wyrd forums that some backers had noticed errors they had caught in proofreading were still there.

I think that was back when we got the PDF's, but apparently some didn't get corrected. I haven't read through yet myself, probably wait for the hardcover to arrive in a few months (have plenty on my plate for Nov/Dec), but that's a shame.

I took the FM guide and the Fated guide to work last week on separate days, sat down and read through the parts I hadn't yet (pulled myself through character creation last year), and it was just astounding some of the grammatical mistakes I saw. Few points where word choice didn't made sense, tense was wrong, someone typed "the the" in a sentence (which I know is something that Microsoft Office catches). It was really bad.

spiralingcadaver wrote:Alf, yeah, Nathan seems to love the new Daydream art, and I agree that I'm happier with just the normal versions, since I'm not a fan of those covers either.

I didn't even realize that the little dude was the new daydreams. I liked it when the Dreamer was this 'innocent' little kid and thus Daydreams matched that child like innocence. I guess new Dreamer hit his angsty teen years?

Yep, I thought that the Nightmare set had some spectacular designs, and none of the new ones really do it for me: even if technically better, none of the new minis are conceptually improved, in my opinion, except the alps, which I still don't like (they're just better than the old ones).

Regarding duplicate words, it's entirely possible that some of those were last-minute changes (and errors), and design software for magazines etc. unfortunately don't have the same checking functionality as word processors. But, yeah, some of the other mistakes felt like a bad rush job- I wish they'd put more effort into it, since it's a text-based game.

I bought the multi part male kit at my FLGS. Looks like a Wargames Factory spue kind of,.for deadlands.

Think it's a little awkward that you can't make the 1st or 3rd images using the kit...

The hardcovers are going out. Mine arrived in town but because they used FedEx "Ground" (I didn't even know this was a thing), I had to go pick it up in the suburbs.

Which was a 3.5 hour round trip.

Which is, essentially, the perfect finale to this project.

Box contained the hardcover, which is fairly nice, and the second LE fate deck.

palaeomerus wrote:
I bought the multi part male kit at my FLGS. Looks like a Wargames Factory spue kind of,.for deadlands.

They've been doing Wyrd's plastics since Wyrd started making plastic kits. It's one of the reasons I backed Poots' and DFG's kickstarters.