Seven weeks! That's enough to make any self-respecting man-baby howl in rage, I'll concede, but personally I'm too pissed off that it's still twelve weeks until I get to see what Santa has brought me this year to have even considered that.
JWBS wrote: Seven weeks! That's enough to make any self-respecting man-baby howl in rage, I'll concede, but personally I'm too pissed off that it's still twelve weeks until I get to see what Santa has brought me this year to have even considered that.
Ah, ad hominem arguments, lovely. If you can't be right, you might as well make yourself feel better, no?
JWBS wrote: Seven weeks! That's enough to make any self-respecting man-baby howl in rage, I'll concede, but personally I'm too pissed off that it's still twelve weeks until I get to see what Santa has brought me this year to have even considered that.
"Everyone who disagrees with me is an entitled manchild - the GW defender's guide to online discussion"
The amount of times i heard this exact sentiment anytime someone criticizes GW for anything.
I dunno, i saw plenty of people quite upset about the fact that the rules for their army were paywalled behind a box that sold out in 5 minutes for nearly two months. Which is quite a reasonable thing to complain about.
And being annoyed because a product was released, but in an extremely limited fashion, and inside another product that sold out within seconds is quite a bit different to, and I quote:
"And if the box is shown then all people will do is complain about why the box isn't out yet."
But, y'know, top marks for trying to claim 2 + 2 = race car.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: I dunno, i saw plenty of people quite upset about the fact that the rules for their army were paywalled behind a box that sold out in 5 minutes for nearly two months. Which is quite a reasonable thing to complain about.
You're misunderstanding what they're trying to do.
I asked for examples of people complaining that they had to wait and the example they claimed proved that was people complaining about the ork codex only being available in the army box long before the shelf release of the codex itself. I pointed out that was a complaint about being forced to buy the codex in an army set. So what buddy is doing here is spinning to say that his bad argument about the 7 week wait time, which then turned into arguments attacking people for who they were, don't matter, because the evidence was never about waiting in the first place, it was about not being able to access the codex outside of the army box.
In summary, the guy has demonstrated he isn't worth arguing with because: 1) he won't stand by his weak evidence, 2) when pushed on things he will either make personal attacks or just move the goal posts and make you waste your time.
My example was the BT box, not the beast snaggas. That was someone else. That wasn't me. Also, even though that's not a quote from me, I will say you can replace the word "box" with the words "Limited codex" and also the word "box" with the word "codex' and that's what we've been talking about for the past 10 minutes. Have a read, it's all still there. Just a skim read will suffice (I know you haven't already done that, as evidenced). You can do it Champ, I believe in you.
Is the BT codex released yet? No.
So we go off of the precedent of what has been released in a similar fashion before, Ie, the ork beast snagga box and the later ork codex.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: So what buddy is doing here is spinning to say that his bad argument about the 7 week wait time, which then turned into arguments attacking people for who they were, don't matter, because the evidence was never about waiting in the first place, it was about not being able to access the codex outside of the army box.
Just sigh at how sad it is and move on.
You can access to codex outside the box. There was a seven week wait though. So if the complaint was being unable to access the codex but not the seven week wait, then there's literally no complaint to be had. This is very rudimentary stuff.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: So what buddy is doing here is spinning to say that his bad argument about the 7 week wait time, which then turned into arguments attacking people for who they were, don't matter, because the evidence was never about waiting in the first place, it was about not being able to access the codex outside of the army box.
Just sigh at how sad it is and move on.
You can access to codex outside the box. There was a seven week wait though. So if the complaint was being unable to access the codex but not the seven week wait, then there's literally no complaint to be had. This is very rudimentary stuff.
1. You messed up the formatting.
2. If you can't see why "Most of the fanbase can't access the official rules for their army for two months" is a valid complaint, then that's entirely your problem.
Gert wrote: Riiiiiiiiight sure thing chief. We never see people complain about when things are getting released ever. It's completely unheard of.
The Legion Dispatch sucks, it really does. But there was no way the new box was going to even be partially discussed/shown when AoS 3 was being released and Orks/BT were getting their hype built up.
As much as I want all Heresy, all the time, right this very minute, this hits the nail on the head exactly. The leaked images were spoiled literally right before GW did the huge Age of Sigmar push for the new edition, and from what we've seen so far, the release schedule immediately after that was also packed with a bunch of non-Heresy releases. Those leaks were at the worst time possible(whether intentional or not) and there was absolutely no way that GW was going to discuss them at any point between then and now.
My guess is that sometime in mid-October we'll get to see some more previews, possibly even a Preview Weekend, for anything Horus Heresy-related. Until then we can sit on our hands and speculate, but GW probably isn't going to talk anytime in the next couple weeks.
Gert wrote: Riiiiiiiiight sure thing chief. We never see people complain about when things are getting released ever. It's completely unheard of.
The Legion Dispatch sucks, it really does. But there was no way the new box was going to even be partially discussed/shown when AoS 3 was being released and Orks/BT were getting their hype built up.
As much as I want all Heresy, all the time, right this very minute, this hits the nail on the head exactly. The leaked images were spoiled literally right before GW did the huge Age of Sigmar push for the new edition, and from what we've seen so far, the release schedule immediately after that was also packed with a bunch of non-Heresy releases. Those leaks were at the worst time possible(whether intentional or not) and there was absolutely no way that GW was going to discuss them at any point between then and now.
My guess is that sometime in mid-October we'll get to see some more previews, possibly even a Preview Weekend, for anything Horus Heresy-related. Until then we can sit on our hands and speculate, but GW probably isn't going to talk anytime in the next couple weeks.
Especially since GW loves leaking out kits so monumentally slow to stretch release times out.
Gert wrote: Riiiiiiiiight sure thing chief. We never see people complain about when things are getting released ever. It's completely unheard of.
The Legion Dispatch sucks, it really does. But there was no way the new box was going to even be partially discussed/shown when AoS 3 was being released and Orks/BT were getting their hype built up.
As much as I want all Heresy, all the time, right this very minute, this hits the nail on the head exactly. The leaked images were spoiled literally right before GW did the huge Age of Sigmar push for the new edition, and from what we've seen so far, the release schedule immediately after that was also packed with a bunch of non-Heresy releases. Those leaks were at the worst time possible(whether intentional or not) and there was absolutely no way that GW was going to discuss them at any point between then and now.
My guess is that sometime in mid-October we'll get to see some more previews, possibly even a Preview Weekend, for anything Horus Heresy-related. Until then we can sit on our hands and speculate, but GW probably isn't going to talk anytime in the next couple weeks.
Especially since GW loves leaking out kits so monumentally slow to stretch release times out.
Part of this is global shipping issues and pandemic situations. Everyone is short on everything. Trading card games, gundam kits, hell, some restaurants can't even get shipments of plastic cups in.
If GW could, they'd be pumping things out /faster/ than they release them, and for most of 8th that's pretty much exactly what happened. Things came out at a breakneck pace as GW tried to dial in their releases for the maximum amount of pain they could inflict upon people's wallets.
The fact that they're not has less to do with GW's plans and more to do with greater worldwide situation. For all we know, without the pandemic, that Horus Heresy box set might have already been out, hence the early leak.
Will these minis be Primaris scale or not? I've been looking forward to this release thinking the marines are properly sized but some guy on reddit has said he thinks they're oldscale and now I'm doubting myself
They're bigger than the old BOP/BAC plastics, but aren't Primaris size. Most likely around the size of the Thousand Sons/latest CSM plastics - hard to tell for certain, but they don't look oldscale to me.
Nah, the shoulders are much broader, the ankles on the IF look HUGE, and the guy who's head is cropped out in the background looks to have the Hajime Katoki-esq long legs of a Primaris too, which is a thing with Primaris-scaling. You can also tell by the weird, spindly stretched waist that the new Castellan Crowe also suffers from on that SOH sarge. If you grab a 32mm base and compare it to what the IF is standing on you can kind of get a notion for their sizes.
Its unlikely they will be the size of the IF terminator praetor - he is dramatically oversized! The newer Ultramarine terminator is back to the normal scale.
Most likely they will be the same scale as the newer Praetors (including the IF power armour one) and the Dark Angels units have been for the last couple of years - the CSM/Space Marine Heroes scale.
My guess is they will be the same height as either the MK3 or death watch MK8 models. Does anyone have a picture of all the FW and GW power armor marks lined up? Most of the pictures I’ve seen are photoshopped from multiple angles or some of the bases in the group are build up with card stock or cork.
These are the plastic ones. My firstborn are all packed away, but they should be about the size of the csm. I only got SoH Reavers from fw so can't comment on that.
Geifer wrote: That has to be the ultramariniest face I've ever seen. Normally I'd say helmet or bust, but in this case it would be a crime not to use the bare head.
Geifer wrote: That has to be the ultramariniest face I've ever seen. Normally I'd say helmet or bust, but in this case it would be a crime not to use the bare head.
Forge World wrote:The miniature itself is a single-pose resin figure with a choice of two heads – helmed and unhelmed.
Yes, but is it plastic or resin?
And does it float in water like churches and small rocks?
Does it weigh the same as a duck?
I’m now in a bind; I did a conversion of Ventanus years ago that I’m very proud of, but that’s a really nice character model (and a cool spare helmet!)
Replace daddy with Chapter Master.
I mean, it must be hard for Calgar to hold scissors with those two giant power fists, but damn. The Ultramarines need to find a new barber. It's been 10,000 years now boys, you can't be the emperor's finest and have these yee-yee ass haircuts.
I mean, it must be hard for Calgar to hold scissors with those two giant power fists, but damn. The Ultramarines need to find a new barber. It's been 10,000 years now boys, you can't be the emperor's finest and have these yee-yee ass haircuts.
The Emperors plan was for Angron to be the Legion barber, but since the butchers nails got put in he keeps taking a little too much off the top .
I was looking forward to like 8 leviathans by now, but they stopped that pattern too. Still looks pretty cool, and Ill take something rather than nothing.
Has anyone bought the softback black books and can provide comment on their quality?
I'm wary of paying the prices FW charge for a book that thick in a softback format. I find it hard to imagine a universe in which the spine of the book wouldn't fall apart.
jojo_monkey_boy wrote: Has anyone bought the softback black books and can provide comment on their quality?
I'm wary of paying the prices FW charge for a book that thick in a softback format. I find it hard to imagine a universe in which the spine of the book wouldn't fall apart.
It's not great TBH. The pages in mine have had naff all use and one nearly ripped out the other week.
MonkeyBallistic wrote: I’d be tempted to buy the campaign books if they’d released them as standard hardbacks. There’s no way I’m buying them as paperbacks.
I'd 100% buy the hardbacks. And frankly, it would be hilarious if they rereleased them, based on what people are selling them for on ebay.
Snrub wrote: The silhouette with the sword looks like a running/charging marine to me. Looks like back pack with some decorative doodad on the top.
The Khan maybe?
The Doodad looks kind of like a bird to me, possibly a Dodo , so close. Was there any of the plastic guys from the leaked picture that had that sort of a pose?
zedmeister wrote:Sword looks looks european. Khan has a Dao which should look quite distinctive
Ah fair point. Corswain maybe then... He's got a big feth off sword.
Theophony wrote:The Doodad looks kind of like a bird to me, possibly a Dodo , so close.
I thought it looked like a bird too! But I didn't say anything about it because I thought that it being a bird on a back pack was a completely daft notion and would probably get me laughed out of the thread.
Theophony wrote:The Doodad looks kind of like a bird to me, possibly a Dodo , so close.
I thought it looked like a bird too! But I didn't say anything about it because I thought that it being a bird on a back pack was a completely daft notion and would probably get me laughed out of the thread.
Cyber pigeon maybe? Particularly effective against Emperors Children as guano hits cause them to stop fighting to clean off the mess
It's not the khan. Aside from the sword as mentioned, there's a blurry image of it and it's certainly not a primarch model. Looks like a custodes to me.
queen_annes_revenge wrote: It's not the khan. Aside from the sword as mentioned, there's a blurry image of it and it's certainly not a primarch model. Looks like a custodes to me.
It's a custode, the image has been shown in the other thread. I'd try to link it here, but I'm at work and not all images load up due to our system.
queen_annes_revenge wrote: It's not the khan. Aside from the sword as mentioned, there's a blurry image of it and it's certainly not a primarch model. Looks like a custodes to me.
It's a custode, the image has been shown in the other thread. I'd try to link it here, but I'm at work and not all images load up due to our system.
It could be a new design standard to allow easy posing of dynamic miniatures that do not possess what HBMC refers to as 'swirly gak'.
God forbid anyone stands on actual ground.
But the floor is lava!
alphaecho wrote: Models running on tippee toes can be a pain though. I never liked the extra time to hold the running Cadian in place due to the small contact area.
I think that's a bit of an exaggeration.
With good plastic cement you cover the contact points of both parts with glue, give it five to ten second to start a reaction, put them together and apply pressure for a second or two. Stuff shouldn't come apart again after that.
With GW models especially I'm not sure why an even larger surface to stand the model on is desirable given the oversized feet GW usually puts on their models. It makes sense as it goes with the general heroic proportions, and it has the added benfit of providing a large surface to glue on the base. Adding a tactical rock for stability alone is overkill.
Even the Witch Elves I cut from their tactical rocks that only have actual, tiny triangles of the tip of their feet to keep them on the bases are sooner going to snap at the ankle than lose the glued connection.
It could be a new design standard to allow easy posing of dynamic miniatures that do not possess what HBMC refers to as 'swirly gak'.
Or it's the replacement for the slotta tab that used to fit into slotta bases. Now, to keep a model in place, one needs a big, flat rock to glue to the base-top.
It could be a new design standard to allow easy posing of dynamic miniatures that do not possess what HBMC refers to as 'swirly gak'.
Or it's the replacement for the slotta tab that used to fit into slotta bases. Now, to keep a model in place, one needs a big, flat rock to glue to the base-top.
Most of the rocks GW puts their characters on are kinda small, just look at the Emperor's Champion for example, it's standing on a rock barely larger than is foot.
Besides, things like Skitarii have tiny feet and no rocks under them, and yet they're very stable.
alphaecho wrote: Models running on tippee toes can be a pain though. I never liked the extra time to hold the running Cadian in place due to the small contact area.
I think that's a bit of an exaggeration.
With good plastic cement you cover the contact points of both parts with glue, give it five to ten second to start a reaction, put them together and apply pressure for a second or two. Stuff shouldn't come apart again after that.
With GW models especially I'm not sure why an even larger surface to stand the model on is desirable given the oversized feet GW usually puts on their models. It makes sense as it goes with the general heroic proportions, and it has the added benfit of providing a large surface to glue on the base. Adding a tactical rock for stability alone is overkill.
Even the Witch Elves I cut from their tactical rocks that only have actual, tiny triangles of the tip of their feet to keep them on the bases are sooner going to snap at the ankle than lose the glued connection.
No, definitely more time than a small dab on the feet of the two feet on the ground models. Plus a little extra time to prevent them developing a bit of a lean.
So glad there was only one per sprue of five Guardsmen.
Midnightdeathblade wrote: Lets us pray they dont end up only showing the box that we have known about for 4-5 months.
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I can imagine worse things.. like, what if they don't show the new HH box this time either? That'd mean we'd still be way off from the actual release. If they at least show it, it cannot be too far off
alphaecho wrote: Models running on tippee toes can be a pain though. I never liked the extra time to hold the running Cadian in place due to the small contact area.
I think that's a bit of an exaggeration.
With good plastic cement you cover the contact points of both parts with glue, give it five to ten second to start a reaction, put them together and apply pressure for a second or two. Stuff shouldn't come apart again after that.
With GW models especially I'm not sure why an even larger surface to stand the model on is desirable given the oversized feet GW usually puts on their models. It makes sense as it goes with the general heroic proportions, and it has the added benfit of providing a large surface to glue on the base. Adding a tactical rock for stability alone is overkill.
Even the Witch Elves I cut from their tactical rocks that only have actual, tiny triangles of the tip of their feet to keep them on the bases are sooner going to snap at the ankle than lose the glued connection.
No, definitely more time than a small dab on the feet of the two feet on the ground models. Plus a little extra time to prevent them developing a bit of a lean.
So glad there was only one per sprue of five Guardsmen.
Sorry, I didn't mean to suggest this wasn't your experience, just that it doesn't have to be.
Marshal Loss wrote: I'm really not expecting the box to be shown. Just a hunch that a release of that size would probably be saved for a summer slot. Hope to be wrong.
Tough one. It would be in line with the idea of Horus Heresy expanding into a core game that's been proposed occasionally to get it as a summer release. Whereas a release late in the year would be in line with the previous Horus Heresy box releases. Both ideas have merit.
I'd certainly like to see the box covered during this preview. I can't really tell from the leaked pictures how the Marines' proportions are going to end up and would appreciate high quality photos straight from GW, Plus, as has been mentioned, a preview should give us an idea of when to expect the release.
That forgeworld website captcha gating is really annoying. I could see that for ordering or maybe at most putting things i to the cart but not from accessing the site at all.
warboss wrote: That forgeworld website captcha gating is really annoying. I could see that for ordering or maybe at most putting things i to the cart but not from accessing the site at all.
I just wish they could have made it like some ad mech or inquisitor thing. At least that would make it themed
warboss wrote: That forgeworld website captcha gating is really annoying. I could see that for ordering or maybe at most putting things i to the cart but not from accessing the site at all.
It is really annoying. I find that if I go to Forge World via the link on Warhammer Community, I don’t get it though.
warboss wrote: That forgeworld website captcha gating is really annoying. I could see that for ordering or maybe at most putting things i to the cart but not from accessing the site at all.
It is really annoying. I find that if I go to Forge World via the link on Warhammer Community, I don’t get it though.
I haven't tried that but will for new releases/news items so thanks. Mostly I just click in thread links or from searches for classic items and get turned off from going further. It's too much to ask IMO for simply looking at some product pictures and I doubt it deters Russian and Chinese recasters if that is the purpose.
Was widely speculated for years that Khan would be last due to having an alternate jetbike model Khan released alongside / shortly afterwards to accommodate the two profiles he has in the rules. I suppose there's still a chance, they did say "More to come" or something at the end of the Khan vid, personally I'd prefer so ascended Primarchs or something like that instead (maybe some new poses for the loyalists, but I'd bet this won't ever happen).
Khan looks aight but I'm really bummed that the new HH box didn't get as much as a tease yet. Therefore I'd wager that the new box will not be out until Q2/22 at the earliest. Yawn
And on top of that, they're gonna act like its some big news. Like we haven't known and seen the contents for well over half a year by then, and they wont be showing much else other than that. At least that's my gut feeling. Like yeah it sucks your cool box was leaked way before you planned to launch it, but I hope they recognize how broadly aware the community is about this box, and throw in some extra reveals to bump the hype back up.
tauist wrote: Khan looks aight but I'm really bummed that the new HH box didn't get as much as a tease yet. Therefore I'd wager that the new box will not be out until Q2/22 at the earliest. Yawn
I posted this on another forum but as i was mindlessy scrolling through the book of faces i found this in the comment section of one of the Khan posts. Seems to be at least in my eyes confirmation that the box exists
Midnightdeathblade wrote: And on top of that, they're gonna act like its some big news. Like we haven't known and seen the contents for well over half a year by then, and they wont be showing much else other than that. At least that's my gut feeling. Like yeah it sucks your cool box was leaked way before you planned to launch it, but I hope they recognize how broadly aware the community is about this box, and throw in some extra reveals to bump the hype back up.
You realise there's a huge population of users who don't use the internet for their hobby. Who might only glance at the GW site and not much else; who aren't using 3rd party stores or ebay or forums or even facebook groups for news. Many customers are much more casual than those on places like Dakka and often will get their first news at a GW reveal event or Community news post. Not to mention all the people who are not gamers or not 30K gamers today, but will or might be when the news goes formally out.
Midnightdeathblade wrote: And on top of that, they're gonna act like its some big news. Like we haven't known and seen the contents for well over half a year by then, and they wont be showing much else other than that. At least that's my gut feeling. Like yeah it sucks your cool box was leaked way before you planned to launch it, but I hope they recognize how broadly aware the community is about this box, and throw in some extra reveals to bump the hype back up.
You realise there's a huge population of users who don't use the internet for their hobby. Who might only glance at the GW site and not much else; who aren't using 3rd party stores or ebay or forums or even facebook groups for news. Many customers are much more casual than those on places like Dakka and often will get their first news at a GW reveal event or Community news post. Not to mention all the people who are not gamers or not 30K gamers today, but will or might be when the news goes formally out.
Nope I'm not aware of this massive population of people I would have no way of knowing about, how are you? I suppose it is entirely possible that 7 billion people discover GW tomorrow and not tell anyone on the internet lol. That's a pretty unassailable statement to make, and honestly I don't know what point you're getting at in regard to my post.
This box has been covered on every relevant forum, facebook group, and dozens of Youtube videos. Some are from channels the algorithm will throw at you just for typing in "Marine" (cough Valrak). What I'm getting at is that almost nobody is going to be surprised by this box, so it would be nice to show something else alongside it when its finally officially revealed (for the people we can actually quantify).
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Its looking more like 40 MKVI and 10 Cataphracti in the box.
Midnightdeathblade wrote: And on top of that, they're gonna act like its some big news. Like we haven't known and seen the contents for well over half a year by then, and they wont be showing much else other than that. At least that's my gut feeling. Like yeah it sucks your cool box was leaked way before you planned to launch it, but I hope they recognize how broadly aware the community is about this box, and throw in some extra reveals to bump the hype back up.
You realise there's a huge population of users who don't use the internet for their hobby. Who might only glance at the GW site and not much else; who aren't using 3rd party stores or ebay or forums or even facebook groups for news. Many customers are much more casual than those on places like Dakka and often will get their first news at a GW reveal event or Community news post. Not to mention all the people who are not gamers or not 30K gamers today, but will or might be when the news goes formally out.
Nope I'm not aware of this massive population of people I would have no way of knowing about, how are you? I suppose it is entirely possible that 7 billion people discover GW tomorrow and not tell anyone on the internet lol. That's a pretty unassailable statement to make, and honestly I don't know what point you're getting at in regard to my post.
This box has been covered on every relevant forum, facebook group, and dozens of Youtube videos. Some are from channels the algorithm will throw at you just for typing in "Marine" (cough Valrak). What I'm getting at is that almost nobody is going to be surprised by this box, so it would be nice to show something else alongside it when its finally officially revealed (for the people we can actually quantify).
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Its looking more like 40 MKVI and 10 Cataphracti in the box.
And in shocking newsflash: As hard as it might be to believe for forum goers the forum goers aren't majority. Nor are tournament player. If GW target market would be forum goer size they wouldn't be making nearly as much profit as they do. Questionable would they even make profit...
How many timmy 12yo's you see post here btw? Those are the main targets GW aims for.
GW doesn't alter their reveals because of leaks nor do they need to. Majority still will find it news. The tiny forum goer population is irrelevant whether they get surprised by reveal or not.
Its looking more like 40 MKVI and 10 Cataphracti in the box.
Where you getting 40/10 from? I can imagine the Cataphract are more than 5 (the way they are spaced, plus there are some yellow blurs that are likely more of them) but the PA guys look to number around 30 to me.
/Edit - Actually no you are correct, I see 30 SoH marines and 10 IF now that I look more closely.
Midnightdeathblade wrote: And on top of that, they're gonna act like its some big news. Like we haven't known and seen the contents for well over half a year by then, and they wont be showing much else other than that. At least that's my gut feeling. Like yeah it sucks your cool box was leaked way before you planned to launch it, but I hope they recognize how broadly aware the community is about this box, and throw in some extra reveals to bump the hype back up.
You realise there's a huge population of users who don't use the internet for their hobby. Who might only glance at the GW site and not much else; who aren't using 3rd party stores or ebay or forums or even facebook groups for news. Many customers are much more casual than those on places like Dakka and often will get their first news at a GW reveal event or Community news post. Not to mention all the people who are not gamers or not 30K gamers today, but will or might be when the news goes formally out.
Nope I'm not aware of this massive population of people I would have no way of knowing about, how are you? I suppose it is entirely possible that 7 billion people discover GW tomorrow and not tell anyone on the internet lol. That's a pretty unassailable statement to make, and honestly I don't know what point you're getting at in regard to my post.
This box has been covered on every relevant forum, facebook group, and dozens of Youtube videos. Some are from channels the algorithm will throw at you just for typing in "Marine" (cough Valrak). What I'm getting at is that almost nobody is going to be surprised by this box, so it would be nice to show something else alongside it when its finally officially revealed (for the people we can actually quantify).
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Its looking more like 40 MKVI and 10 Cataphracti in the box.
And in shocking newsflash: As hard as it might be to believe for forum goers the forum goers aren't majority. Nor are tournament player. If GW target market would be forum goer size they wouldn't be making nearly as much profit as they do. Questionable would they even make profit...
How many timmy 12yo's you see post here btw? Those are the main targets GW aims for.
GW doesn't alter their reveals because of leaks nor do they need to. Majority still will find it news. The tiny forum goer population is irrelevant whether they get surprised by reveal or not.
Im literally saying it would be nice to see something extra for all the ACTUAL THOUSANDS of people who have known about this for months now. And its not just "Fourm goer population" I listed, Youtube, Facebook groups (theres 1-2 large ones for every fething legion), and yes also forums. These are quantifiable numbers of people aware of this box. Why are you even arguing against my statement lol?
Its looking more like 40 MKVI and 10 Cataphracti in the box.
Where you getting 40/10 from? I can imagine the Cataphract are more than 5 (the way they are spaced, plus there are some yellow blurs that are likely more of them) but the PA guys look to number around 30 to me.
/Edit - Actually no you are correct, I see 30 SoH marines and 10 IF now that I look more closely.
I think people are assuming 30/5 because that's what the previous boxes had, and it's hard to tell from the photos (but the inclusion of the Spartan makes this a much bigger box anyway).
Midnightdeathblade wrote: And on top of that, they're gonna act like its some big news. Like we haven't known and seen the contents for well over half a year by then, and they wont be showing much else other than that. At least that's my gut feeling. Like yeah it sucks your cool box was leaked way before you planned to launch it, but I hope they recognize how broadly aware the community is about this box, and throw in some extra reveals to bump the hype back up.
You realise there's a huge population of users who don't use the internet for their hobby. Who might only glance at the GW site and not much else; who aren't using 3rd party stores or ebay or forums or even facebook groups for news. Many customers are much more casual than those on places like Dakka and often will get their first news at a GW reveal event or Community news post. Not to mention all the people who are not gamers or not 30K gamers today, but will or might be when the news goes formally out.
Nope I'm not aware of this massive population of people I would have no way of knowing about, how are you? I suppose it is entirely possible that 7 billion people discover GW tomorrow and not tell anyone on the internet lol. That's a pretty unassailable statement to make, and honestly I don't know what point you're getting at in regard to my post.
This box has been covered on every relevant forum, facebook group, and dozens of Youtube videos. Some are from channels the algorithm will throw at you just for typing in "Marine" (cough Valrak). What I'm getting at is that almost nobody is going to be surprised by this box, so it would be nice to show something else alongside it when its finally officially revealed (for the people we can actually quantify).
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Its looking more like 40 MKVI and 10 Cataphracti in the box.
And in shocking newsflash: As hard as it might be to believe for forum goers the forum goers aren't majority. Nor are tournament player. If GW target market would be forum goer size they wouldn't be making nearly as much profit as they do. Questionable would they even make profit...
How many timmy 12yo's you see post here btw? Those are the main targets GW aims for.
GW doesn't alter their reveals because of leaks nor do they need to. Majority still will find it news. The tiny forum goer population is irrelevant whether they get surprised by reveal or not.
What possible use would a 12 year old Timmy have for a 30k starter set? Most Warhammer fans are grown man.
Besides, if GW doesn't care for their internet-dwelling, forum-goer population, why do they pump out so much badly disguised ads in places those people are most likely to be the majority, make so many videos, warhammer community posts, stream so much...
Midnightdeathblade wrote: And on top of that, they're gonna act like its some big news. Like we haven't known and seen the contents for well over half a year by then, and they wont be showing much else other than that. At least that's my gut feeling. Like yeah it sucks your cool box was leaked way before you planned to launch it, but I hope they recognize how broadly aware the community is about this box, and throw in some extra reveals to bump the hype back up.
You realise there's a huge population of users who don't use the internet for their hobby. Who might only glance at the GW site and not much else; who aren't using 3rd party stores or ebay or forums or even facebook groups for news. Many customers are much more casual than those on places like Dakka and often will get their first news at a GW reveal event or Community news post. Not to mention all the people who are not gamers or not 30K gamers today, but will or might be when the news goes formally out.
Nope I'm not aware of this massive population of people I would have no way of knowing about, how are you? I suppose it is entirely possible that 7 billion people discover GW tomorrow and not tell anyone on the internet lol. That's a pretty unassailable statement to make, and honestly I don't know what point you're getting at in regard to my post.
This box has been covered on every relevant forum, facebook group, and dozens of Youtube videos. Some are from channels the algorithm will throw at you just for typing in "Marine" (cough Valrak). What I'm getting at is that almost nobody is going to be surprised by this box, so it would be nice to show something else alongside it when its finally officially revealed (for the people we can actually quantify).
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Its looking more like 40 MKVI and 10 Cataphracti in the box.
And in shocking newsflash: As hard as it might be to believe for forum goers the forum goers aren't majority. Nor are tournament player. If GW target market would be forum goer size they wouldn't be making nearly as much profit as they do. Questionable would they even make profit...
How many timmy 12yo's you see post here btw? Those are the main targets GW aims for.
A 12 year old Timmy wouldn't browse GW's official communication channels in the first place, now would he? Majority of people that actually keep up with reveals, be it through Warhammer Community or GW's YouTube or Twitch are forum-dwellers. And they all know about the box.
Its looking more like 40 MKVI and 10 Cataphracti in the box.
Where you getting 40/10 from? I can imagine the Cataphract are more than 5 (the way they are spaced, plus there are some yellow blurs that are likely more of them) but the PA guys look to number around 30 to me.
/Edit - Actually no you are correct, I see 30 SoH marines and 10 IF now that I look more closely.
I think people are assuming 30/5 because that's what the previous boxes had, and it's hard to tell from the photos (but the inclusion of the Spartan makes this a much bigger box anyway).
Yeah the composite pic clearly shows 6 Cataphract plus 2 blurs that are very likely +2 more, and also 30 green marines and 6 yellow marines plus Captain (therefore must assume there's another 5ish yellows out of shot), so the total is definitely closer to 40/10 than 30/5.
JWBS wrote: /Edit - Actually no you are correct, I see 30 SoH marines and 10 IF now that I look more closely.
You guys seriously believe there will be 40 SM, 10 TDA, 3 HQ, Spartan, Contemptor, plus books/board/extras in new HH box?
Nope. If it's real ( ) I can see it been a base box of 30/5 plus HQs & Contemptor with the Spartan being seperate (possibly bundled with more troops). They did something similar with Dark Vengeance IIRC.
JWBS wrote: /Edit - Actually no you are correct, I see 30 SoH marines and 10 IF now that I look more closely.
You guys seriously believe there will be 40 SM, 10 TDA, 3 HQ, Spartan, Contemptor, plus books/board/extras in new HH box?
Nope. If it's real ( ) I can see it been a base box of 30/5 plus HQs & Contemptor with the Spartan being seperate (possibly bundled with more troops). They did something similar with Dark Vengeance IIRC.
43 footsloggers (one directly below the dread not marked), two of them characters, minimum 8 termies, 35 marines, so I reckon 35/8 for sure, likely 40/10. One hundred percent definitely a legit image.
JWBS wrote: /Edit - Actually no you are correct, I see 30 SoH marines and 10 IF now that I look more closely.
You guys seriously believe there will be 40 SM, 10 TDA, 3 HQ, Spartan, Contemptor, plus books/board/extras in new HH box?
That thing would need box bigger than the Warlord Titan and be first GW release after infamous SM chapter bundle to reach 4 digits...
Nevelon wrote: If you are looking to start playing marines, they can be a great on-ramp. My son’s fist box was Betrayal at Calth. He was 12.
Calth offered actual discount. We don't do that here now, and I can't see it reversing for the most expensive game GW makes.
When GW puts out an actual box, not just a 1-click, 0-saving web offer, it normally has a discount on it. How good of one is up to debate, depending a lot on how you feel about the contents. B@C was great, because as a marine player you could use 100% of the box. The Prospero one had issues of faction locked characters, and the custodes and SoS, which not everyone could use.
If everything in the pic is in the box, it’s looking like what, $500-$600 in product? I could see GW selling it for $250. If it is selling as a 30k starter set, those often offer crazy good discounts. Loss leader to get people into the game. Get them hooked on cheep plastic, then send them over to FW for the resin.
Im literally saying it would be nice to see something extra for all the ACTUAL THOUSANDS of people who have known about this for months now. And its not just "Fourm goer population" I listed, Youtube, Facebook groups (theres 1-2 large ones for every fething legion), and yes also forums. These are quantifiable numbers of people aware of this box. Why are you even arguing against my statement lol?
You realise that's impossible right? If GW had to add things to every release every time the release got leaked; keeping in mind that it takes months to ramp up toward a release in the first place, they'd forever be adding things which would then be potentially leaked meaning they'd have to add more. If you learn about stuff in advance of a release that's nice, but you shouldn't be greedy and expect more just because you found out the info early. That's like expecting extra Christmas presents because you peeked on Christmas Eve.
The picture is legit, but doesn't mean everything pictured will be bundled in only one box. As some marines seems to be barely visible in the background, doesn't look like a "here is what you get" description.
Reminds me more of a picture like this, where they show a bit of everything following a new release :
Nevelon wrote: Loss leader to get people into the game. Get them hooked on cheep plastic, then send them over to FW for the resin.
Nah this will be the start of a whole plastic HH system I think. Depending on how popular this initial release is, they can spin it out indefinitely (obviously they'll be well into the design phase for stage two by this point given that they're pretty much at production stage for this first wave, and they'll be assessing how (or if) there's a phase 3+ when the numbers from this set come in. I think that's why this set is so massive - to get us all to commit heavily, with a big value proposition. It'll be like Dark Uprising (which I thought was amazing but didn't do especially well for a few obvious reasons), only this time it will be for a mainline game with an offering entirely of minis and not the terrain focus we had with DU. I think DU was their most expensive box ever and gave some people sticker shock, but those same people will swallow this set at a similar price w/o any qualms.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: What possible use would a 12 year old Timmy have for a 30k starter set? Most Warhammer fans are grown man.
As for the leak, the leaking of this Heresy stuff got me jump-started on a Blackshields project and honestly, it's looking like it'll be finished before this box/range even gets teased let alone released.
It's been what? 4 months and not a single ounce of acknowledgement or rumour teases.
H.B.M.C. wrote: 30 Marines/5 Terminators/2 HQ/Contemptor/Tank seems far more likely. I think people are reading too much into all the other Marines in the background.
It looks like the back of the box or some other kind of promotional shot for it with the ‘… not included’ (scenery probably) in the bottom corner. They’re usually pretty representative of what you actually get, rather than a big presentation shot with a load of extra models.
IDK it could just as easily be one of the interior setting-the-scene shots that slightly dramatize the models vs. what comes in the box to make it look more epic and give you aspirational ideas how to expand/encourage you to buy buy buy.
H.B.M.C. wrote: 30 Marines/5 Terminators/2 HQ/Contemptor/Tank seems far more likely. I think people are reading too much into all the other Marines in the background.
It looks like the back of the box or some other kind of promotional shot for it with the ‘… not included’ (scenery probably) in the bottom corner. They’re usually pretty representative of what you actually get, rather than a big presentation shot with a load of extra models.
Well spotted, I think that "Scenery not included" sells this even more as a product/contents illustration rather than just a magazine spread or something like that.
Would be a monster set if that's all included. I was sad that it wasn't announced at the weekend, I actually tuned in for the first time ever in hopes of seeing it.
Worth considering that GW has now added launch boxes to their portfolio of big boxed sets. While both Indomitus and Dominion were divided into two armies, something that is not typically a concern for Horus Heresy unless GW goes out of their way to make Mechanicus. Imperial Army or Talons the second faction, a sizable force of Marines in a single box at a good discount wouldn't be out of line with these launch boxes. The Land Raider stands out as a large model that has no direct equivalent, although Necrons got a walker and Sigmarines a big centerpiece character. 52ish infantry, on the other hand, is a credible model count based on those boxes.
The box may end up a really good deal and the start of Horus Heresy as a mainline game, but that doesn't mean GW has to keep it around for more than a few weeks. That makes the higher model count estimate more likely in my opinion.
Something I've been wondering about is that maybe there will be something to the rumor of the Horus Heresy range potentially going mainstream.
There was an express callout of Cybernetica assets in Octarius book I. Thanatars, Domitars, and Vorax were all explicitly mentioned as being "some of the rare examples" being utilized by the Mechanicus forces.
It definitely 40/10 in the picture. I wouldn't think it's outlandish. That's either two full tactical squads or four vet tac squads. Im foolishly hoping they continue the discount trend from the last boxes, but I do not expect this to be a $150 box like before.
X40 Tactical Marines = $200
X10 Cataphracti = $130
Contemptor = $60
X2 Characters = $60
Spartan = $100?
Looking at retail value of roughly $550
Calth was:
X30 Tactical Marines = $150
X5 Cataphracti = $65
Contemptor = $60
X2 Characters = $60
Total $335
Prospero was:
X30 Tactical Marines = $150
X5 Tartaros Terminators = $60
X5 Custodian Guard = $60
X5 Silent Sisters = $50
X2 Characters = $60
Total $390
Both Prospero and Calth were $150 boxes that were around for a year + each. And these irrefutably sold like crazy, and for good reason.
Im not expecting a $150 box, but assuming they follow the trend, we are looking at a $250-$275 box and that is a monstrous deal and completely reasonable. I am just praying they dont go path of "launch box" or limited. Let it stick around for a year or so like the last boxes or AT GME. Dont put a harsh time gate for people getting into your most expensive game system.
I'd expect this to be the "Launch Box", with a Preorder Promise in place for MTO to happen and then an actual "Starter Set" to come later, with a mix of different items.
It's worth noting that Prospero and Calth were both board games. They had a ton of models certainly, but they also were considered board games first and foremost...and Prospero lasted a lot longer than Calth did because of the Custodes+Sisters of Silence plus the two named characters.
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Gert wrote: Really? And it wasn't just the Castellans? Hot damn I need that book.
Yeah, don't get too excited it's just a brief mention in the orders of battle.
JWBS wrote: /Edit - Actually no you are correct, I see 30 SoH marines and 10 IF now that I look more closely.
You guys seriously believe there will be 40 SM, 10 TDA, 3 HQ, Spartan, Contemptor, plus books/board/extras in new HH box?
Nope. If it's real ( ) I can see it been a base box of 30/5 plus HQs & Contemptor with the Spartan being seperate (possibly bundled with more troops). They did something similar with Dark Vengeance IIRC.
43 footsloggers (one directly below the dread not marked), two of them characters, minimum 8 termies, 35 marines, so I reckon 35/8 for sure, likely 40/10. One hundred percent definitely a legit image.
I'm 99% sure the composite is incorrect. The minis don't fully scale with eachother across photos. The termies with the Spartan in the back right, for example, are smaller than the regular marines in the foreground image in a way that doesn't make sense even within the context of perspective. I also don't know that it makes sense for their to be two separate piles of dice there (one in the foreground, the other in back). Theres also very slight differences in camera angle of the product photos if you look carefully (look at the dice in the two photos, they are not photographed at the same angle - this isn't an issue with whoever photographed the product packaging in the warehouse or whatever, this is an issue with the product photography itself that was done in the studio, indicating these photos do not belong to the same shot.
I'm gonna blow your mind - there are multiple starting boxes for Heresy in the same vein as the Recruit/Elite/Commander edition for 40k and the Warrior/Harbinger/Extremis set for Age of Sigmar. What you're seeing there are photos from at least two of those boxes.
sigismund22 wrote: The picture is legit, but doesn't mean everything pictured will be bundled in only one box. As some marines seems to be barely visible in the background, doesn't look like a "here is what you get" description.
Reminds me more of a picture like this, where they show a bit of everything following a new release :
Two things:
1. Note the absence of dice and measuring tools, etc. in the photo you posted and others like it.
2. Note in the lower left hand of the photo "xxx not included" (likely "scenery not included" or "terrain not included) iirc theres a slightly more zoomed out photo where you can see the whole statement.
There's custom symbols on that one die, are they used in the main 30K game? If not I'd assume its a board game like Calth. Which would also explain the delay if there are supply chain issues on the board game components and they don't want another Cursed City.
Two things:
1. Note the absence of dice and measuring tools, etc. in the photo you posted and others like it.
2. Note in the lower left hand of the photo "xxx not included" (likely "scenery not included" or "terrain not included) iirc theres a slightly more zoomed out photo where you can see the whole statement.
The dices and subtext tend to confirm this is the back of a box indeed, you are right. The image grouping must be wrong then. The bottom right clear picture is obviously correct, the land raider one could be too but the dices next to it seems a bit odd.
"Age of Darkness - The Horus Heresy" Launch Box:
As known, the Box will have the following content:
- 40 MkVI Marines
- 10 Cataphract Terminators
- 1 Spartan
- 1 Contemptor Dreadnought
- 1 Imperial Fist Castellan
- 1 Sons of Horus / Trainer Praetor
- "Age of Darkness" Rulebook
- "Horus Heresy" Intro Booklet
- "Battle for Heta-Gladius" Campaign Booklet
- Other Stuff for new Players
Story of the Box is about the Battle for Heta-Gladius, when the SoH
assaulted a small but important Imperial Garrison manned by Imperial Fists,
Blood Angels and the Imperial Army.
This Lunch Box will few months later followed by three Sets as we know from
40k and AoS.
Small Set:
- 10 MkVI Marines
Medium Set:
- 20 MkVI Marines
- 5 Terminators (don't know if Cataphracts or Tartaros)
- 1 Contemptor Dreadnought (the Monopose one)
- 2 Characters
Large Set:
- 30 MkVI Marines
- 10 Terminators (don't know if Cataphracts or Tartaros)
- 1 Contemptor Dreadnought (the Monopose one)
- 2 Characters
Age of Darkness Rulebook:
Main Rules for Games Workshops new main System
- Core Rules are technical 7th Edition 40k - Units and formations are like in 8th and 9th Edition
Black Books:
First "Warzone" Book
- Featuring the Legions of Imperial Fists and Blood Angels for loyalists
and SoH and World Eaters for traitors, also Imperial Army
- Includes content before the Traitors entered the sol system
Age of Darkness Horus Heresy Compendium
"Codex-like" Book for the Age of Darkness
- Over 200 Sites
- Summary for most of the FW Rules Content after the old Books will get
replaced by new Warzone Books
- Rules for all 18 Space Marine Legions
- Mechanicus
- Imperial Army and Auxilia
GW Internal:
There will be some internal changes at Nottingham
- Staff from the FW Team (which were working on HH) switched already to the
GW Main Studio
- Work on the new Age of Darkness Rulebook began before this
- White Dwarf Team will grow for more HH featuring content
Citadel:
New Spray Range is coming for easier painting of Space Marine Legions
I'm 99% sure the composite is incorrect. The minis don't fully scale with eachother across photos. The termies with the Spartan in the back right, for example, are smaller than the regular marines in the foreground image in a way that doesn't make sense even within the context of perspective. I also don't know that it makes sense for their to be two separate piles of dice there (one in the foreground, the other in back). Theres also very slight differences in camera angle of the product photos if you look carefully (look at the dice in the two photos, they are not photographed at the same angle - this isn't an issue with whoever photographed the product packaging in the warehouse or whatever, this is an issue with the product photography itself that was done in the studio, indicating these photos do not belong to the same shot.
I'm gonna blow your mind - there are multiple starting boxes for Heresy in the same vein as the Recruit/Elite/Commander edition for 40k and the Warrior/Harbinger/Extremis set for Age of Sigmar. What you're seeing there are photos from at least two of those boxes.
I'm not buying it, for starters I think the photos line up very well. Secondly, the two forces have to somewhat attempt to balance. Something has to go in that space, and it has to be something decently hefty, otherwise it's like 30 marines + a Contemptor vs 10 marines + 5 termies or thereabouts. The LR is the thing that balances out the two forces (maybe tips the balance in favour of the IF? idk I'm not a player). It's just too perfect, circumstantially at least.
Kanluwen wrote: Something I've been wondering about is that maybe there will be something to the rumor of the Horus Heresy range potentially going mainstream.
There was an express callout of Cybernetica assets in Octarius book I. Thanatars, Domitars, and Vorax were all explicitly mentioned as being "some of the rare examples" being utilized by the Mechanicus forces.
Yeah, and that's why Cyraxus book that was supposed to be out like a decade ago gave you rules to use them in 40K--
Oh wait
Kanluwen wrote: It's worth noting that Prospero and Calth were both board games. They had a ton of models certainly, but they also were considered board games first and foremost...and Prospero lasted a lot longer than Calth did because of the Custodes+Sisters of Silence plus the two named characters.
Wrong. They were kinda pretending to be board games, but if they were really BG, they would include ETB minis instead of full kits and no 40K rules. GW even put them on 40K store, not boxed game section and updated 40KSM rules specifically for both sets. Also, both lasted about a year, and people were buying both like crazy because even if you were to bin Custodes/Sisters (instead of selling them to both HH and 40K players where they were new hotness then) the discount was vastly better than on anything GW released in last four years (since Tooth and Claw basically)...
chaos0xomega wrote: I'm 99% sure the composite is incorrect. The minis don't fully scale with eachother across photos. The termies with the Spartan in the back right, for example, are smaller than the regular marines in the foreground image in a way that doesn't make sense even within the context of perspective.
The cataphractii would likely be the same height or smaller than the MK6, who are at the "new old marine scale," visible in the chaos space marine and death guard kit.
The cataphractii kit is probably too new for them to justify redesigning. Which will lead to the silly situation described. In a similar vein, I saw a photo someone posted of the new imperial fist characters next to a plastic tartaros terminator. They made it look like a dwarf.
It's always been there to some extent though, kind of hard to avoid when a new standard comes in but you have reasons to keep the old standard still relevant. Personally I hope they at least redo the terminators at some point down the line even if it's a while off.
Wrong. They were kinda pretending to be board games, but if they were really BG, they would include ETB minis instead of full kits and no 40K rules. GW even put them on 40K store, not boxed game section and updated 40KSM rules specifically for both sets. Also, both lasted about a year, and people were buying both like crazy because even if you were to bin Custodes/Sisters (instead of selling them to both HH and 40K players where they were new hotness then) the discount was vastly better than on anything GW released in last four years (since Tooth and Claw basically)...
They were sold as board games until someone realised nobody was buying BaC for the board game and like 3 months later FW put out the army bundles. There were WD articles adding missions to the board games and (at least in my experience) it was pushed as such by GW staffers who were not quite clued into the fact that nobody cared about the game.
The rules for Cataphractii, Tartaros, Contemptor, and the Talons units were added because GW was running on "Models = Rules" and if those models got 40k rules then they could sell them to the 40k crowd as well as the HH one.
BaC wasn't sold as a HH "starter set" until just before Prospero came out and then both were dropped because all of the models usable in 40k got separate releases at the tail end of 7th.
The thing I'm confused about with that rumour is the bit about "7th Ed Core with 8th Ed Datasheets". How does that even work? USR's are pretty Core for the AoD ruleset so it can't be them going away, same with Hull Points for Vehicles, the damage table, and some of the stuff for unit statlines like WS/BS.
I'm unsure how it can be both and not one or the other.
jojo_monkey_boy wrote: The cataphractii kit is probably too new for them to justify redesigning.
If they have redone the Contemptor kit (which is the same age) they might redo the terminators.
People should just go out and buy some Tortuga 3rd party cataphractii. That's what I did and they're utterly fantastic. The guy is working on tartaros right now.
Looks like I'm gonna be owning like 40 of these official ones in the next year or so, so it kinda sucks either way for me. Hopefully there will be a market for them sold separately (well obviously there will, hopefully it's not too crowded and it's relatively easy to offload them).
I'm 99% sure the composite is incorrect. The minis don't fully scale with eachother across photos. The termies with the Spartan in the back right, for example, are smaller than the regular marines in the foreground image in a way that doesn't make sense even within the context of perspective. I also don't know that it makes sense for their to be two separate piles of dice there (one in the foreground, the other in back). Theres also very slight differences in camera angle of the product photos if you look carefully (look at the dice in the two photos, they are not photographed at the same angle - this isn't an issue with whoever photographed the product packaging in the warehouse or whatever, this is an issue with the product photography itself that was done in the studio, indicating these photos do not belong to the same shot.
I'm gonna blow your mind - there are multiple starting boxes for Heresy in the same vein as the Recruit/Elite/Commander edition for 40k and the Warrior/Harbinger/Extremis set for Age of Sigmar. What you're seeing there are photos from at least two of those boxes.
I'm not buying it, for starters I think the photos line up very well. Secondly, the two forces have to somewhat attempt to balance. Something has to go in that space, and it has to be something decently hefty, otherwise it's like 30 marines + a Contemptor vs 10 marines + 5 termies or thereabouts. The LR is the thing that balances out the two forces (maybe tips the balance in favour of the IF? idk I'm not a player). It's just too perfect, circumstantially at least.
You don't have to buy it, we already know, definitively, that I'm correct. Observe:
These are the original images. Note how the top of the two in the back right corner there is a Spartan, but there are no dice near it. Now note how there are dice in the lower of the two images (which is the same as the one used in the composite, the bottom portion of it is just cut off). These two images cannot both be from the same source/product photograph, because the dice would otherwise be present in both photographs.
Also, thats not a Land Raider, its a Spartan Assault Tank. In 40k terms its an almost 500 pt lord of war with 8 lascannons, 2 heavy bolters, and a transport capacity of 25 tac. marines. It more than pushes the advantage into the IFists favor as its more than capable of one-shotting the contemptor off the table and can realistically destroy a squad of marines in a single turn. Thats before you account for the apparent 10 terminators and im guessing 10 power armored marines that the composite would you lead to believe that the IF side comes with.
Observe; You're saying that the launch box won't contain a Spartan then?
Observe; I'll bet you £20 that the launch box contains a Spartan, and at least 40 marines, and a Contemptor and two characters (number of Cataphract indeterminate). Happy to make it £50 but that might be offputting which is why I offer 20 bet instead.
/Edit - 35-40 marines (since only 35 are shown), 2+ characters (since there could theoretically be more), and a dread, and the big tank, and 5 (or more) terminators.
I'm 99% sure the composite is incorrect. The minis don't fully scale with eachother across photos. The termies with the Spartan in the back right, for example, are smaller than the regular marines in the foreground image in a way that doesn't make sense even within the context of perspective. I also don't know that it makes sense for their to be two separate piles of dice there (one in the foreground, the other in back). Theres also very slight differences in camera angle of the product photos if you look carefully (look at the dice in the two photos, they are not photographed at the same angle - this isn't an issue with whoever photographed the product packaging in the warehouse or whatever, this is an issue with the product photography itself that was done in the studio, indicating these photos do not belong to the same shot.
I'm gonna blow your mind - there are multiple starting boxes for Heresy in the same vein as the Recruit/Elite/Commander edition for 40k and the Warrior/Harbinger/Extremis set for Age of Sigmar. What you're seeing there are photos from at least two of those boxes.
I'm not buying it, for starters I think the photos line up very well. Secondly, the two forces have to somewhat attempt to balance. Something has to go in that space, and it has to be something decently hefty, otherwise it's like 30 marines + a Contemptor vs 10 marines + 5 termies or thereabouts. The LR is the thing that balances out the two forces (maybe tips the balance in favour of the IF? idk I'm not a player). It's just too perfect, circumstantially at least.
You don't have to buy it, we already know, definitively, that I'm correct. Observe:
These are the original images. Note how the top of the two in the back right corner there is a Spartan, but there are no dice near it. Now note how there are dice in the lower of the two images (which is the same as the one used in the composite, the bottom portion of it is just cut off). These two images cannot both be from the same source/product photograph, because the dice would otherwise be present in both photographs.
Also, thats not a Land Raider, its a Spartan Assault Tank. In 40k terms its an almost 500 pt lord of war with 8 lascannons, 2 heavy bolters, and a transport capacity of 25 tac. marines. It more than pushes the advantage into the IFists favor as its more than capable of one-shotting the contemptor off the table and can realistically destroy a squad of marines in a single turn. Thats before you account for the apparent 10 terminators and im guessing 10 power armored marines that the composite would you lead to believe that the IF side comes with.
It's logical there can't be Dices on the large Screen, because whey are too far right to be on it. Look on both screens what you can see of the Spartan...
Plus the second image he has posted there as proof is clearly of the composite anyway. It's not like that is a pair of original undoctored images. Doesn't prove anything really.
/Edit - idk. It's just a weird image. idk what it shows tbh.
There wouldn't be two separate piles of dice in the same image, thats not how GW does its product photography. Unfortunately a number of the original images have been pulled down from various sources it seems, as there were additional photos that showed an extended version of the larger image without the dice next to the spartan.
Yeah. That one I've cropped above is from the composite, but it's different from the one you've shown, so it's like they've made the composite with a different image from the original, or cropped a different one to include in the composite (which doesn't make any sense as the one in the composite shows more than the one you posted). Fundamentally though, you're saying we won't get this megabox, and the tank will be part of a separate release (megabox may include even less??), if I read you right? No sorry, I'll put money on that thesis not being "definitively correct".
The thesis is that the composite is made up of imagery taken from 2 or more box sets, rather than just all being photos from the same box in the same way that there are 3 separate starter boxes for 40k/AoS, plus the limited time launch box. That doesn't mean that we won't get some/all of this in one box (the fact of the matter is that we know that the Spartan is contained in a box with at least some of this, that much is clear from the original non-composite imagery, so why you would think I'm arguing that it will be a separate release is beyond me), just that the image we are seeing in the composite is inaccurate.
Note that the Faeit rumor posted above aligns with this sentiment, the Contemptor image used in the composite I'm betting is from a separate product from the main image used in the composite - that doesn't mean that there isn't a contemptor in that main product, just that its not set up the way its shown in the composite.
chaos0xomega wrote: (the fact of the matter is that we know that the Spartan is contained in a box with at least some of this, that much is clear from the original non-composite imagery, so why you would think I'm arguing that it will be a separate release is beyond me)
Because you're also saying this
The thesis is that the composite is made up of imagery taken from 2 or more box sets
I wasn't asking if you think the tank is separate from everything, I was asking if you think it will be separate from the majority of this image, which is kinda what you were saying was it not? "This composite is made up from more than one release. Look here, the tank looks like it's not meant to be there". How else am I supposed to take that, if not "The tank is separate"?
well, I mean if you looked at the original source imagery instead of the composite you would see that there is an image of the spartan contained in a box with at least 5 terminators and ~20 or so tactical marines, etc. so I would have assumed you would understand that the Spartan was definitively included in a bundled product just based on that.
The point of calling out the Spartan specifically is that the Spartan with the dice used in the composite is not the same as the Spartan without the dice used in the original source image, ergo they come from two different photographs (or at the very least are two separate spartans contained within the same image rather than the same one).
If you want to clarify for me - what do you think will not be included in the megabox? If not the tank (which is the impression you gave by pulling up that other image as proof...), then what?
/Edit - oh I see you've already replied. Okay, so what you're saying is that this may well be the contents, but the composite, despite possibly being a picture the entire contents of one release, is made up of pictures of two different releases? Okay, that just seems to be a bizarre conclusion to me, but whatever. I still say that's wrong too.
chaos0xomega wrote: The point of calling out the Spartan specifically is that the Spartan with the dice used in the composite is not the same as the Spartan without the dice used in the original source image, ergo they come from two different photographs (or at the very least are two separate spartans contained within the same image rather than the same one).
If I'm reading this right, your argument is that there are two images of the spartan which are both taken from the exact same vantage/perpective but one does not have dice and that this alleged second image not containing the dice which proves your position has disappeared from the internet, despite all of the other leak photos still being around. That this all shows that the composite image is doctored?
Wouldn't the more obvious answer be that the person who made the composite image just cropped out the dice because it was extraneous information that pushed the width of the composite photo past the bounds of the other included photos?
"Heta-Gladius" Launch Box:
- 240 BP - Miniatures (as said)
- IF Castellan has two head options (with and without helmet)
- SoH Preator has three head options (with and without helmet, corrupted
face)
- Campaign Booklet (as said)
- Horus Heresy Fluff Intro Booklet (as said)
- Large Softcover Rulebook
- FW Horus Heresy Catalogue
- Horus Heresy Flyer (how to expand your Horus Heresy Armies)
Big Intro Box:
- 180 BP - Miniatures (as said)
- Both Characters / HQ choices are not the same identical from the Launch
Box
- Dreadnought is the Monopose from the Calth Box
- Large Softcover Rulebook
- FW Horus Heresy Catalogue
- Horus Heresy Flyer (how to expand your Horus Heresy Armies)
Medium Intro Box:
- 100 BP - Miniatures (as said)
- Both Characters / HQ choices are not the same identical from the Launch
Box
- Dreadnought is the Monopose from the Calth Box
- Small Softcover Rulebook
- Horus Heresy Flyer (how to expand your Horus Heresy Armies)
Small Intro Box:
- 40 BP - Miniatures (as said)
- Small Softcover Rulebook
- Horus Heresy Flyer (how to expand your Horus Heresy Armies)
Citadel Colors:
- 12 new Spray cans
- some of them are fitting to layer colors
- Sons of Horus Green Spray
- White Scars Spray (return of "true white" as a spray)
- Valrak Orange Spray (sorry, a joke by my source...)
Age of Darkness Eras:
Looks like this information was wrong, there will be no rule-wise slit into
Eras like Great Crusade, Horus Heresy ect. in the future, only Campaign
Books with those "Eras" in name.
The guy who brought us the big rumour leak said these are about right, as has valrak, atia and some others. So looks like some less salt needs to be consumed.
Any word on what he thinks of ChaosOmega's theory on the composite image??
Automatically Appended Next Post: Ooh, £180 on the main box. That's pretty steep, higher than DU and AT princeps edition right? (still seems okay to me but possibly a new record for box price?) Actually I see the biggest box is £240, hmm that is actually quite steep, makes me wonder how many I actually want to buy. Also, the only difference between the £180 box and the £100 box is that the rulebook has been downgraded from "Large softcover" to "Small softcover",(and also no FW catalogue) that doesn't seem to cover an £80 (+80%) price differential does it?
JWBS wrote: Any word on what he thinks of ChaosOmega's theory on the composite image??
Automatically Appended Next Post: OOh, £180 on the main box. That's pretty steep, higher than DU and AT princeps edition right? (still seems okay to me but possibly a new record for box price?)
No, the big box he is referring to in the 1st rumor is 240 GBP, comes with what is on the combined image (40 marines, 10 terminators, 2 heroes, Contemptor and the Spartan along with the rulebook) The 180GBP one does not have the Spartan in it, at least according to that rumor and I think only has 30 marines. The "Good Thing" looks like the other smaller battleforces will be available for longer period of time.
A real time (Not GW) currency exchange puts 240 GBP at roughly $327. That's a BIG box.
Yeah I see, I was getting a bit confused, didn't realise I had to cross reference this new list with the old list, that explains the price differentials a lot better.
Sorry but the small box having 10 Marines and a small rulebook for £40 sounds like nonsense.
AoS Warrior edition is £36.50 for 18 minis plus the usual starter gubbins and the 40k Recruit edition is the same for 20 minis plus starter gubbins.
Even if HH was changed to have Patrol style detachments you don't even get enough to do a basic 1v1.
The biggest starter sets are still only £105 for 32 minis for 40k, 27 for AoS, and then terrain on top of that. Pelenor is £95 for 84 minis plus rules and gubbins. For this HH big box, we're talking double the cost of BaC for 5 more minis than were in BaC.
Why suddenly jump off a cliff price-wise for starter sets when the other main ranges have been consistent?
This new list makes me think, not next Summer for this release, but way earlier? (I had originally thought xmas, but when we didn't see it in the reveal I thought prolly next Summer, but all these leaks at once kinda say it's coming reasonably soon, like in the next 3-6 months? How far ahead have Valrak's other confirmed rumours been? And the other unknown guy with the big batch of confirmed rumours also, they were proven almost 100% correct within a couple of months).
JWBS wrote: This new list makes me think, not next Summer for this release, but way earlier? (I had originally thought xmas, but when we didn't see it in the reveal I thought prolly next Summer, but all these leaks at once kinda say it's coming reasonably soon, like in the next 3-6 months? How far ahead have Valrak's other confirmed rumours been? And the other unknown guy with the big batch of confirmed rumours also, they were proven almost 100% correct within a couple of months).
The latest rumors don't feel like new leaks to me.
It is more like someone read the discussions here about the 3+Launch format,
and decided to flesh out the concept & float it as new info.
While the concept could track, Starters for 30k with better value than 40k or AOS seem like a pipedream.
Gert wrote: Sorry but the small box having 10 Marines and a small rulebook for £40 sounds like nonsense. AoS Warrior edition is £36.50 for 18 minis plus the usual starter gubbins and the 40k Recruit edition is the same for 20 minis plus starter gubbins. Even if HH was changed to have Patrol style detachments you don't even get enough to do a basic 1v1. The biggest starter sets are still only £105 for 32 minis for 40k, 27 for AoS, and then terrain on top of that. Pelenor is £95 for 84 minis plus rules and gubbins. For this HH big box, we're talking double the cost of BaC for 5 more minis than were in BaC. Why suddenly jump off a cliff price-wise for starter sets when the other main ranges have been consistent?
Yeah the prices seem a bit bad tbh. If not for the backing of the other rumour leakers I'd be pressing doubt. I hope the prices are lower than what we see here.
Gert wrote: Sorry but the small box having 10 Marines and a small rulebook for £40 sounds like nonsense. AoS Warrior edition is £36.50 for 18 minis plus the usual starter gubbins and the 40k Recruit edition is the same for 20 minis plus starter gubbins. Even if HH was changed to have Patrol style detachments you don't even get enough to do a basic 1v1. The biggest starter sets are still only £105 for 32 minis for 40k, 27 for AoS, and then terrain on top of that. Pelenor is £95 for 84 minis plus rules and gubbins. For this HH big box, we're talking double the cost of BaC for 5 more minis than were in BaC. Why suddenly jump off a cliff price-wise for starter sets when the other main ranges have been consistent?
Yeah the prices seem a bit bad tbh. If not for the backing of the other rumour leakers I'd be pressing doubt. I hope the prices are lower than what we see here.
The latest rumors don't feel like new leaks to me.
It is more like someone read the discussions here about the 3+Launch format, and decided to flesh out the concept & float it as new info.
Yeah.
Big specialist game boxes are pricey, the grand master edition for titanicus was a pricey monolith as well.
Logic stands the marines are multi part full kits unless specified otherwise, so each 10 man set of marines is worth £36 or so individually and every 5 terminators are £40 currently based on the cataphractii.
£42 for the 2 characters seems normal, 30 marines is £108, 10 terminators is £80, the monopose contemptor is £35, then £25? For a rulebook.
That's £290ish in the £180 starter box. It's not the box prices that are ludicrous, it's that the prices for the contents are. The boxes will be a "good" saving.
The issue with that is that supposedly HH is now a mainline game.
KT: Octarius sits at 125 and that's because it's basically a giant terrain box.
Warcry: Catacombs is 87.50 and the aforementioned Pelenor is 95. BaC and Prospero were 95 each with only 5 less minis than the big starter box.
So even for a specialist game, it's pretty out there.
Just because the super mega box is "good value", doesn't mean any of the rest is.
Depends on the rulebook to me. The big box with a Spartan (Land raiders are 50-60 GBP) Rulebooks are 40. If they are redesigned (larger marine size) multipose models with multiple weapon options for the squads then I could easily see these prices as accurate. I might not like the prices, but I could see them setting them at this price. Also I could easily see GW making the models larger, just to screw with the recasters and companies that already make the HH pads in the old smaller sizes. They still don't realize that it's easy to resize models in 3D printing, but that will take them forever to come to grips with.
GW just keeps pricing their items out of my reach. I CAN afford them, I just don't WANT to pay that price, especially with all the attached bloated rules.
Gert wrote: The issue with that is that supposedly HH is now a mainline game.
KT: Octarius sits at 125 and that's because it's basically a giant terrain box.
Warcry: Catacombs is 87.50 and the aforementioned Pelenor is 95. BaC and Prospero were 95 each with only 5 less minis than the big starter box.
So even for a specialist game, it's pretty out there.
Just because the super mega box is "good value", doesn't mean any of the rest is.
I get other heresy boxes are cheaper, they're from several years ago now and prices have gone up. They also weren't mainline games but a discounted bundle in the guise of a board game. They were constantly sold out for being "too much value", a line they'll want to stay away from.
Their prices are sky high, this isn't utterly abnormal for them.
I'm not arguing that GW doesn't charge a premium, I'm arguing that the prices and content for the supposed HH starter sets don't align with the other main systems, which is what HH is according to GW.
I'm not talking about the launch box, rather the Big/Medium/Small sizes for Getting Started in each system.
Indomitus wasn't too long ago though was it, and that was pretty much universally seen as a great deal. Seems they're using the tiered template for releases established there (different from the Dark Imperium in that DI was the highest tier and wasn't ever limited) but they are really boosting up the prices, if this newest rumour is accurate.
Gert wrote: I'm not arguing that GW doesn't charge a premium, I'm arguing that the prices and content for the supposed HH starter sets don't align with the other main systems, which is what HH is according to GW.
I'm not talking about the launch box, rather the Big/Medium/Small sizes for Getting Started in each system.
Not to nitpick in return then but the elite starter is the nearest real comparison, £65 retail.
2 characters, call it £42 the same, £36.50 for the outriders and skorpekh, £29 for the warriors, £16 for the assault intercessors. Total value of ~£160, but as we know these are all nearly monopose and/or easy build, so the prices seem a little inflated in comparison.
I can keep reiterating that these new prices are both very high and a good deal simultaneously, it doesn't change much. Ultimately they want to charge more, either pay it or don't is a personal choice for everyone to make.
Except you're taking these rumours as fact when previous products of a similar vein if indeed any such products are released, come nowhere close to either the price or lack of content that these HH starters have. It flat out doesn't make sense unless you go for "GW overcharges for everything" angle, which still doesn't make sense when we have previous evidence to suggest otherwise. So either GW has been lying in their reports (unlikely) or the rumours have got something wrong (likely).
As for the rest of the stuff, as I said to a friend earlier today, these rumours are seemingly giving everyone what they want with regards to rules and releases. 7th Ed core for the old guard but 8th datasheet styling for the new kids. Starter sets for those who say HH has a high buy-in price. A nice big compendium for people who hate lots of books.
A bit convenient no?
Gert wrote: Except you're taking these rumours as fact when previous products of a similar vein if indeed any such products are released, come nowhere close to either the price or lack of content that these HH starters have. It flat out doesn't make sense unless you go for "GW overcharges for everything" angle, which still doesn't make sense when we have previous evidence to suggest otherwise. So either GW has been lying in their reports (unlikely) or the rumours have got something wrong (likely).
As for the rest of the stuff, as I said to a friend earlier today, these rumours are seemingly giving everyone what they want with regards to rules and releases. 7th Ed core for the old guard but 8th datasheet styling for the new kids. Starter sets for those who say HH has a high buy-in price. A nice big compendium for people who hate lots of books.
A bit convenient no?
OK, don't put any stock in them that's fine, it is all convenient indeed, almost like they want to sell something that people are asking for if true.
Is there any credible source saying HH will become a Main game? I must say I find that highly unlikely with how the game was handled the last few years and also considering there weren't even hints at something like that anywhere on WarCom.
The Old World as a new mainline game? Yeah I'd buy that with how they build it up over months and the huge fame it got from TW.
Lotr returning to mainline Status? I'd believe that because of the recent starter, proper support and even return to translations for supplements.
HH, though? That game died with Alan and 8th edition and had more products vanish than added over the years. Yes, someone might have decided to keep that fanbase with a one off boxset (similar to the Pelennorbox maybe), but other than that I highly doubt they'll do more with it even if I'd be happy for the playerbase.
Edit: with the Box contents being Marines only so usable for 40K to boost sales I'm even more doubtful. No Mechanicum or Militia or anything HH specific that would let that system stand out I'm really sceptical.
OK, don't put any stock in them that's fine, it is all convenient indeed, almost like they want to sell something that people are asking for if true.
1 - It's not GW circulating these rumours so the selling part makes no sense.
2 - When has GW ever made a product that's pleased literally everybody ever?
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Sgt. Cortez wrote: Is there any credible source saying HH will become a Main game? I must say I find that highly unlikely with how the game was handled the last few years and also considering there weren't even hints at something like that anywhere on WarCom.
The Old World as a new mainline game? Yeah I'd buy that with how they build it up over months and the huge fame it got from TW.
Lotr returning to mainline Status? I'd believe that because of the recent starter, proper support and even return to translations for supplements.
HH, though? That game died with Alan and 8th edition and had more products vanish than added over the years. Yes, someone might have decided to keep that fanbase with a one off boxset (similar to the Pelennorbox maybe), but other than that I highly doubt they'll do more with it even if I'd be happy for the playerbase.
The GW financial reports list HH as a main system alongside AoS and 40k.
Also, it's not a dead game. There are very active communities in the UK, Australia, and maybe New Zealand (not 100% on that last one though). There have been fairly consistent HH releases with the biggest issue being the lack of a general FAQ since 2019.
This new box looks way bigger than Pelennor though (way bigger than anything ever in fact), so that would satisfy one of your conditions to indicate that it might be headed for a bigger spot than it had previously.
Actually, Pelennor was pretty massive too. But still.
OK, don't put any stock in them that's fine, it is all convenient indeed, almost like they want to sell something that people are asking for if true.
1 - It's not GW circulating these rumours so the selling part makes no sense.
2 - When has GW ever made a product that's pleased literally everybody ever?
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Sgt. Cortez wrote: Is there any credible source saying HH will become a Main game? I must say I find that highly unlikely with how the game was handled the last few years and also considering there weren't even hints at something like that anywhere on WarCom.
The Old World as a new mainline game? Yeah I'd buy that with how they build it up over months and the huge fame it got from TW.
Lotr returning to mainline Status? I'd believe that because of the recent starter, proper support and even return to translations for supplements.
HH, though? That game died with Alan and 8th edition and had more products vanish than added over the years. Yes, someone might have decided to keep that fanbase with a one off boxset (similar to the Pelennorbox maybe), but other than that I highly doubt they'll do more with it even if I'd be happy for the playerbase.
The GW financial reports list HH as a main system alongside AoS and 40k.
Also, it's not a dead game. There are very active communities in the UK, Australia, and maybe New Zealand (not 100% on that last one though). There have been fairly consistent HH releases with the biggest issue being the lack of a general FAQ since 2019.
I've been following the HH releases but at times they seemed all over the place when some models got teased and then released two years later, or models got released with scopes on the wrong side of the barrel, or you just had versions of the same mortar tank for months or, as mentioned, scrapping of whole lines like mkII also got me worried. But I'll take your word for it.
The day MKII was lost was a day of great sorrow. The releases, in general, have been patchy but a lot of it, at least IMO, has just been down to the events of this last year. Prior to that things were getting out fine and TBH, a lot of the releases now are basically cosmetics rather than new units which is ok with me. The lack of updated army books has hampered things a bit sometimes but not to any serious degree that I've seen.
those price points are pretty steep for what they're claiming is in them. was originally thinking maybe I would grab like three of whatever the big box ended up being, but now I'm not so sure I'll get anything more than one.
that big box is also somewhat odd compared to the indominus and dominion boxes, each of which featured three to five heroes for each side, whereas this box features only one hero for each side.
JWBS wrote: If you want to clarify for me - what do you think will not be included in the megabox? If not the tank (which is the impression you gave by pulling up that other image as proof...), then what?
/Edit - oh I see you've already replied. Okay, so what you're saying is that this may well be the contents, but the composite, despite possibly being a picture the entire contents of one release, is made up of pictures of two different releases? Okay, that just seems to be a bizarre conclusion to me, but whatever. I still say that's wrong too.
look dude, the main point of that post was to say that there would be more than one starter box, and if the rumors that have popped up since I posted that or anything to go by, it looks like I'm right. at this point we are uselessly equivalent over minor details for epeen and really nothing else.
How can anyone say that the two pictures that include the Spartan are different because one doesn't show the dice. The dice are further to the right, and one of the pictures cuts off before we get to where the dice would otherwise be.
chaos0xomega wrote: those price points are pretty steep for what they're claiming is in them. was originally thinking maybe I would grab like three of whatever the big box ended up being, but now I'm not so sure I'll get anything more than one.
that big box is also somewhat odd compared to the indominus and dominion boxes, each of which featured three to five heroes for each side, whereas this box features only one hero for each side.
JWBS wrote: If you want to clarify for me - what do you think will not be included in the megabox? If not the tank (which is the impression you gave by pulling up that other image as proof...), then what?
/Edit - oh I see you've already replied. Okay, so what you're saying is that this may well be the contents, but the composite, despite possibly being a picture the entire contents of one release, is made up of pictures of two different releases? Okay, that just seems to be a bizarre conclusion to me, but whatever. I still say that's wrong too.
look dude, the main point of that post was to say that there would be more than one starter box, and if the rumors that have popped up since I posted that or anything to go by, it looks like I'm right. at this point we are uselessly equivalent over minor details for epeen and really nothing else.
More than one starter box. Because the composite image is made up of images that come form more than one source image. Definitively indeed.
I assume that the photos were surreptitiously snapped in a warehouse or something, so they would have been sealed boxes and the photographer would have only barely had time to take the photos, thus I assume they are box photos rather than something contained inside a book, etc.
SickSix wrote: Am I the only one a little disappointed with the Khan's model? The pose just doesn't do it for me and his face seems, forgive me, not asian enough?
I honestly really like his armor design and pose. However I really do agree that he pretty much just looks like a white dude, although the paintjob might have something to do with it.
H.B.M.C. wrote: How can anyone say that the two pictures that include the Spartan are different because one doesn't show the dice. The dice are further to the right, and one of the pictures cuts off before we get to where the dice would otherwise be.
SickSix wrote: Am I the only one a little disappointed with the Khan's model? The pose just doesn't do it for me and his face seems, forgive me, not asian enough?
I honestly really like his armor design and pose. However I really do agree that he pretty much just looks like a white dude, although the paintjob might have something to do with it.
Everyone in Eavy Metal paintjobs looks like white dudes, even the women. Especially the women.
chaos0xomega wrote: look dude, the main point of that post was to say that there would be more than one starter box, and if the rumors that have popped up since I posted that or anything to go by, it looks like I'm right. at this point we are uselessly equivalent over minor details for epeen and really nothing else.
Given the rumours have popped up since you floated the idea - and have been seen on faeit (or however you spell it) of all places - the odds are that someone has recycled your talking points more than they are genuine rumours at this point.
I'd hold off on the self-back-slapping until we hear information direct from the horse's mouth, though that may well take a while.
Not to spoil the fun of discussion, but how does anyone actually believe we'd get credible price rumors before GW so much as teases new Horus Heresy plastics?
Can't vouch for the pricing part but the breakdown of the boxes and the contents has been supported by reliable rumour people elsewhere, so "we like to invent rumours" might well be correct on a chunk of it at least.
I can 100% see the box contents being legit, i hope theyre wrong with regards to the character and dreadnaught models being the old ones though. Id be appalled if the price point were legit and in pounds£
H.B.M.C. wrote: How can anyone say that the two pictures that include the Spartan are different because one doesn't show the dice. The dice are further to the right, and one of the pictures cuts off before we get to where the dice would otherwise be.
This is clearly just a display photo showing one man's custom army entirely made out of Primaris models converted with silly putty and new parts hewn out of cheese.
If the source is a german translator, that really sucks for them because they're going to get hit really hard by GW for violating NDA.
Let leakers stay anonymous, you get nothing from exposing their identity other than a loss of a source, because they aren't going to be able to provide you more info in the future once GW identifies the person and fires them and/or fines/sues them into oblivion.
chaos0xomega wrote: If the source is a german translator, that really sucks for them because they're going to get hit really hard by GW for violating NDA.
Let leakers stay anonymous, you get nothing from exposing their identity other than a loss of a source, because they aren't going to be able to provide you more info in the future once GW identifies the person and fires them and/or fines/sues them into oblivion.
The downside of everyone demanding iron clad sources for everything all the time sadly. Gone are the days we just have fun debates on rumours, it's either near fact or nothing.
The downside of everyone demanding iron clad sources for everything all the time sadly. Gone are the days we just have fun debates on rumours, it's either near fact or nothing.
Because gone are the days when people wouldn't actively (and in some cases, maliciously) invent things whole-cloth to try to get clicks to their sites or "for the lulz".
35th anniversary of the RTB-01 coinciding with this box's release doesn't sound all that impossible to me tbh. But that means Q4/22... It's going to be a long year :(
tauist wrote: 35th anniversary of the RTB-01 coinciding with this box's release doesn't sound all that impossible to me tbh. But that means Q4/22... It's going to be a long year :(
It's completely believable that they pick 35 for a beakie release, but it's also entirely possible they're working with the year rather than the specific anniversary. It's just marketing, they'll do what they think will make a successful event out of it.
tauist wrote: 35th anniversary of the RTB-01 coinciding with this box's release doesn't sound all that impossible to me tbh. But that means Q4/22... It's going to be a long year :(
It's completely believable that they pick 35 for a beakie release, but it's also entirely possible they're working with the year rather than the specific anniversary. It's just marketing, they'll do what they think will make a successful event out of it.
True, and they could also release the Marines as a separate box on the official anniversary.
H.B.M.C. wrote: How can anyone say that the two pictures that include the Spartan are different because one doesn't show the dice. The dice are further to the right, and one of the pictures cuts off before we get to where the dice would otherwise be.
Also, the Spartan is obviously a conversion.
You seeing that ProCreate putty work there too?
Yeah. And I used to play with Play-Doh, so I KNOW.
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Tiberius501 wrote: Oh man, that got me excited for a second, I thought they were announcing the plastic box set -_-
I'm almost afraid that the big plastic box we will see would be a christmas bundle at this point. Super limited availability. With the main release coming next year.
Tiberius501 wrote: Oh man, that got me excited for a second, I thought they were announcing the plastic box set -_-
I'm almost afraid that the big plastic box we will see would be a christmas bundle at this point. Super limited availability. With the main release coming next year.
Really...you expect new edition to be christmas discount box? Seriously? Those are generally old kits. Even if the box is without rulebooks(christmas bundles don't come with rulebooks...) it would not be all new models.
It was NEVER EVER going to be christmas bundle. Nope. Not. GW needs entire new leadership and new policy for that to even happen.
I don't think so. I did a quick google search, and its on the 40k wiki under "Legion wars."
Interesting armor though...
Looks like a Mk III bottom half with a slightly customized Mk IV top (the small spikes and whatnot)? Though it's hard to make out detail on the right leg, so it may just be one Mk III leg piece.
Tiberius501 wrote: Oh man, that got me excited for a second, I thought they were announcing the plastic box set -_-
I'm almost afraid that the big plastic box we will see would be a christmas bundle at this point. Super limited availability. With the main release coming next year.
Really...you expect new edition to be christmas discount box? Seriously? Those are generally old kits. Even if the box is without rulebooks(christmas bundles don't come with rulebooks...) it would not be all new models.
It was NEVER EVER going to be christmas bundle. Nope. Not. GW needs entire new leadership and new policy for that to even happen.
Prospero was released in November, and we know for a fact they’re behind schedule on releases.
In Abaddon's defense, he came out back in...2010 or 2012? Like that's when I first got into the hobby, since they were advertising his model in the White Dwarf that was either when orcs&goblins were updated or when the blood angels got new sanguinary guard and death company.
Tiberius501 wrote: Oh man, that got me excited for a second, I thought they were announcing the plastic box set -_-
I'm almost afraid that the big plastic box we will see would be a christmas bundle at this point. Super limited availability. With the main release coming next year.
Really...you expect new edition to be christmas discount box? Seriously? Those are generally old kits. Even if the box is without rulebooks(christmas bundles don't come with rulebooks...) it would not be all new models.
It was NEVER EVER going to be christmas bundle. Nope. Not. GW needs entire new leadership and new policy for that to even happen.
I could definitely see it being a highly limited box though. Look at Kill Team so far, nothing but FOMO boxes so far.
This week’s last miniature pre-order is this imposing Sons of Horus Praetor in Cataphractii armour, ready to lead your heretical forces right to the heart of Terra.
Praetors are the favoured warriors among the Legions due to their combat and tactical prowess, and just to prove he’s the Warmaster’s number one champion, this guy even has a sweet back banner, which was once the height of fashion in the Imperium.
Oh dam. No Initiative. I've also just realised the Unit Type is slightly different.
If that's not made up then holy heck the rules are staying basically the same. That would be great.
Yay, kinda cool. IW Salamanders and RG are over in the corner with zero marine characters. (No, models ported from 40K and limited release IW characters don't count)
Iron Warriors, Salamanders, Raven Guard, and Dark Angels actually. But considering all of the Legions are now done and what's been happening with the recent releases, I'm sure they'll get models when the new Edition drops.
The Imperial Fist is quite nice but as a BA player I'm not enthusiastic about that one. While I wholeheartedly embrace hamming it up with the Space (Were)Wolves with my conversions, I just can't do it with the Blood Angels and vampires beyond the excellent Mephiston fig based on the 2e art.
Albertorius wrote: Now that I notice... does the BA guy has three bionic extremities? Heh
He lost them fighting something nasty, and his body rejected his original bionics so he was 'left behind' on Terra (as part of the Crusader Host). Arkhan Land 'found' him, fixed his bionics (using DAoT tech) and they fought in the Webway War.
I'm not a fan of either of the models personally. Rann suffers from that modified armour thing where they just don't look right... Never mind the huge cables going directly from his breastplate to his pauldron. The blood angel looks ok but it's more leaping off rocks which I find a bit meh, and it looks a tad strange anyway with the bionic foot and the double handed sword grip...
Paint jobs are lacklustre. They might look better when I see pro paint jobs on insta.
Sacredroach wrote: Pity I don't play either of those armies...Dominion is excellent, and Fafnir is possibly the nicest GW/FW figure I've seen in a while
Still...as solid art those are hard to beat.
Damn rights about Fafnir Rann, I first heard about him in a audio drama where they assault the comet shrine of Unity. I liked him there and I love this figure. The Imperial Fists have some of the nicest work that FW has done.
They are? I assumed that, as any other FW release, they were FW resin.
Its a GW release, not FW, ergo plastic not resin. Also its like the thumbnail for the video, it's said in every single post thats been made about the models on GW social media and on WarCom.
I was wondering why the detail of the faces didn't seem as sharp as other Forge World minis, the fact that they are plastic would explain this I guess. I'd like to see unpainted versions before reaching a final conclusion though.
I mean, they are nowhere near the quality of Captain Korvydae for example:
Undead_Love-Machine wrote: I was wondering why the detail of the faces didn't seem as sharp as other Forge World minis, the fact that they are plastic would explain this I guess. I'd like to see unpainted versions before reaching a final conclusion though.
I mean, they are nowhere near the quality of Captain Korvydae for example:
They prioritized the position of the parts in the mold for maximum fang sharpness because vampire? I agree though about Korvydae. Of the classic FW figs of older editions, he's one of my favorites along with Inquisitor Rex.
I'm going to dig out Master of Mankind and give it a re-read, but didn't he get new armour when Land replaced out his bionics (and if he was in MkIII he wouldn't have a jump pack?)?
MeanGreenStompa wrote: Was one of your complaints literally that someone painted the model's hair the wrong color?
Hair dye is a thing - just ask Ragnar Blackmane...
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: Why make a miniature of a book character if you're not gonna base it on how the character looked in the book?
Was one of your complaints literally that someone painted the model's hair the wrong color?
J.F.C...
Mhm yes, ignore all the actual arguments backed with citations to cherrypick the one you can attack most easily. Very mature.
Not to mention that still means the painter wasn't told who he was painting.
The whingy picture you posted included complaining that a miniature's hair was painted the wrong color as a critique of the miniature... don't call me out on maturity if that's the standard your citing as criticism of what you find offensive about the mini.
It's a good sculpt, they're both good models. GW have released some stinkers in their time, neither of these is in that category and the straw grasping in that picture you posted is as painful as it is pedantic. The idea that a marine's armour, any marine's armour, during the civil war of the Heresy or indeed just during the Siege specifically, would have remained static, is so flawed, so utterly against every single book FW released showing illustration of the patchworking that occurred during warfare, that it's like you slept through all of it. I mean MkV is literally a patchwork ad hoc creation during the conflict, Artificer is a total random, visually and the character in question is torn apart and rebuilt using a variety of bionics on more than one occasion.
If, at the end of the day, this really nicely posed, well designed and well sculpted mini doesn't meet your (somewhat pedantic) need to reflect one authors description in one book, kitbash your own...
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: Why make a miniature of a book character if you're not gonna base it on how the character looked in the book?
Was one of your complaints literally that someone painted the model's hair the wrong color?
J.F.C...
Mhm yes, ignore all the actual arguments backed with citations to cherrypick the one you can attack most easily. Very mature.
Not to mention that still means the painter wasn't told who he was painting.
The whingy picture you posted included complaining that a miniature's hair was painted the wrong color as a critique of the miniature... don't call me out on maturity if that's the standard your citing as criticism of what you find offensive about the mini.
It's a good sculpt, they're both good models. GW have released some stinkers in their time, neither of these is in that category and the straw grasping in that picture you posted is as painful as it is pedantic. The idea that a marine's armour, any marine's armour, during the civil war of the Heresy or indeed just during the Siege specifically, would have remained static, is so flawed, so utterly against every single book FW released showing illustration of the patchworking that occurred during warfare, that it's like you slept through all of it. I mean MkV is literally a patchwork ad hoc creation during the conflict, Artificer is a total random, visually and the character in question is torn apart and rebuilt using a variety of bionics on more than one occasion.
If, at the end of the day, this really nicely posed, well designed and well sculpted mini doesn't meet your (somewhat pedantic) need to reflect one authors description in one book, kitbash your own...
It's literally a miniature of a guy that shows up in a book.
I don't see why expecting it to look as he was described in a book is somehow not the bare minimum.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: Why make a miniature of a book character if you're not gonna base it on how the character looked in the book?
Was one of your complaints literally that someone painted the model's hair the wrong color?
J.F.C...
It's a legitimate issue to raise for the official painted promo pic of the model. No one cares what color you or I paint our space vampires eternal flowing locks nor if we swap out the helmet for a different one via a conversion but it's less than ideal to have the official sculpt and paint job of the model not match ostensibly the literal genesis for it.
MeanGreenStompa wrote: The whingy picture you posted included complaining that a miniature's hair was painted the wrong color as a critique of the miniature... don't call me out on maturity if that's the standard your citing as criticism of what you find offensive about the mini.
...
If, at the end of the day, this really nicely posed, well designed and well sculpted mini doesn't meet your (somewhat pedantic) need to reflect one authors description in one book, kitbash your own...
His arguments, the hair aside, are reasonable. Why go out of the way the connect this model to a given character and then not make an effort to represent his appearance from the only places he's described? It's just sloppy.
The model can be well sculpted and still not be accurate to the character's canon description without needing you to come in here and bully someone for having an opinion.
Undead_Love-Machine wrote: I was wondering why the detail of the faces didn't seem as sharp as other Forge World minis, the fact that they are plastic would explain this I guess. I'd like to see unpainted versions before reaching a final conclusion though.
I mean, they are nowhere near the quality of Captain Korvydae for example:
Spoiler:
To be fair, even nice FW sculpts can be undone with a poor paint job. Just look at what he looks like without paint
) I can see it been a base box of 30/5 plus 
