hotsauceman1 wrote:
Me and my friends think they might be trying to move HH to more infantry focussed games.

There's Zone Mortalis and the unofficial Centuirion rules for infantry games.

Making things more infantry friendly would just be a process of reducing price points for various infantry, especially troop units.

We've already seen a Tactical squad discount, and if GW started reducing the point cost for models over 10, then you would see more of the larger units rather then min sized troops.

Durandal wrote:
Making things more infantry friendly would just be a process of reducing price points for various infantry, especially troop units.

We've already seen a Tactical squad discount, and if GW started reducing the point cost for models over 10, then you would see more of the larger units rather then min sized troops.

Using the AoS max unit size would work.
Gives a decent points reduction just for taking a max sized unit.

I’m amazed it isn’t already a thing as quite a few rites focus on masses infantry.

An FAQ for Horus Heresy Volume 9 - Crusade was released yesterday.

Good God! A FAQ

beast_gts wrote:
An FAQ for Horus Heresy Volume 9 - Crusade was released yesterday.

From what I can tell, they didn't even bother announcing this anywhere - I found out via reddit, and then still couldn't find it on the site. Some kind soul on Instagram sent me the link.

 Mr. Grey wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
An FAQ for Horus Heresy Volume 9 - Crusade was released yesterday.

From what I can tell, they didn't even bother announcing this anywhere - I found out via reddit, and then still couldn't find it on the site. Some kind soul on Instagram sent me the link.

Yeah, Garro on FB pointed it out. It's listed on the WarCom site under HH FAQs but there's no announcement or article about it.

Really makes me wonder WTF is going on over there. At this point I'd give an arm for some kind of announcement - anything - even if it's "Hey we have to delay anything new for 30k for a year while we reorganize everything".

There's still no sign of the Word Bearers praetors that were previewed last year, much less anything else the game may or may not be getting in 2021. I get that Covid and Brexit probably created a cluster, but how much effort does it take to sit someone down at a computer to write a quick update on the state of the game?

Anuj Malhotra left FW/GW at the end of 2020 so there's just Neil Wylie doing 30k now - and it's not clear if that's all he's doing.

Wow, I didn't realize they were up to volume IX already. Is there any word on which is the final expected HH book?

@beast_gts Yep, I knew about Anuj leaving and that Neal was the only designer left for the game. Which is what's driving my curiosity about the state of the game. It's such a great setting, it would be a shame to see it lose official FW support completely, but right now there's no sign that they're doing anything with it at all, either.

@warboss No news on anything past book 9(Crusade). Lots of rumors about things like Dark Mechanicum, late Heresy rules for various legions, etc. But no official word on anything.

Word Bearers Legion Praetor and Terminator Praetor are up for pre-order next week.

WarCom wrote:Word Bearers Legion Praetor and Terminator Praetor
Legion Praetors enjoy the most senior ranks within their Space Marine Legions. Given that these particular Praetors hail from the Word Bearers, it’s likely that there’s a sinister reason for their elevation through the ranks.

In any case, these resin miniatures hailing from the XVII Legion are full of character, with evidence of horrific ritual scarring on the optional bare heads and the script of Lorgar’s word on scrolls and tomes attached to their armour. If you want to watch Calth burn, then make sure your Legion includes these dastardly commanders, and the favour of the Dark Gods will surely be with you.

Finally!

That terminator looks pretty awesome. I feel like they should have given us a Dark Apostle in Terminator armour datasheet to use him in 40K, too

Can we get Ultramarines next please?

That leering face is proper old school. Like it!

The helmet on that Terminator Praetor is fantastic, don't recall them previewing that originally. Really improves the model.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
That terminator looks pretty awesome. I feel like they should have given us a Dark Apostle in Terminator armour datasheet to use him in 40K, too

Ahhh. That would be wonderful

The Terminator is very cool.

So nice for them to release them for all 3 fans of the Word Bearers.
Seriously, whose favorite legion is THE WORD BEAERS?
I would be wary if anyone like the legion that started all this BS

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So nice for them to release them for all 3 fans of the Word Bearers.
Seriously, whose favorite legion is THE WORD BEAERS?
I would be wary if anyone like the legion that started all this BS

Word!

(Ha!)

But yeah, they're awful...

They're one of my favorite traitor Legions actually...

Mee too.

But sadly they're one of the few groups that are just so awful (in the rules) that I can't play them.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Mee too.

But sadly they're one of the few groups that are just so awful (in the rules) that I can't play them.

Bingo. I'm lucky I LOVE Alpha Legion too at least.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Bingo. I'm lucky I LOVE Alpha Legion too at least.

I just end up playing Red Corsairs for the same reason I play White Scars - advance + charge is easy to remember.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So nice for them to release them for all 3 fans of the Word Bearers.
Seriously, whose favorite legion is THE WORD BEAERS?
I would be wary if anyone like the legion that started all this BS

Along with the Emperor's Children they are my favourite legion, so you need to be wary son

Maybe my memory is failing me, but when the Word Bearer Praetors were previewed I don't recall the power armoured dude having a goatee?

Hopefully this means that each model has an alternate head, rather than my memory being it's usually gakky self.

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
Maybe my memory is failing me, but when the Word Bearer Praetors were previewed I don't recall the power armoured dude having a goatee?

He did - April Preview.

beast_gts wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
Maybe my memory is failing me, but when the Word Bearer Praetors were previewed I don't recall the power armoured dude having a goatee?

He did - April Preview.

Thanks, I think that I thought that he had grey skin and was wearing a patched together mask of (somebody elses) skin, which would have been cooler than a goatee.

Edit: just about anything would have been cooler than a goatee

Ugh the terminator mini has issues. His gun strap is under his shoulder pad. The fire looks like kids putty caked on the very cool crozius

 Motograter wrote:
Ugh the terminator mini has issues. His gun strap is under his shoulder pad. The fire looks like kids putty caked on the very cool crozius

You might be right about the gun but the Crozius mostly just suffers from a bad paint job like many FW models when previewed I think.

They're both up for pre-order, and they both have head or helmet options -

They’re both pretty great, tbh. I like that crested helmet.

AUD$51 for the power armour guy.

Why fifty-one? Where's that extra $1 coming from?

Baffling...

Love the sculpted scars on the terminator's face. Think they'll sell that head a la carte?

I really like that Praetor in power armour. I have ordered one to use as a sorcerer in my 40K IW army.

These models took one (1) year to go from preview to pre-order.

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
These models took one (1) year to go from preview to pre-order.

Well, to be fair to them, the last year hasn't been your typically year with the GW factories closed on and off again for a fair chunk of time

 zedmeister wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
These models took one (1) year to go from preview to pre-order.

Well, to be fair to them, the last year hasn't been your typically year with the GW factories closed on and off again for a fair chunk of time

I think it's time to stop blaming the events of the last year for how badly FW has been mishandling the 30k line.

 Mr. Grey wrote:
I think it's time to stop blaming the events of the last year for how badly FW has been mishandling the 30k line.

That wasn't my point. I was just commenting on the delay between annoucment and them being put up for sale and I'll give 'em slack on that point.

As for how FW are handling Heresy in general? Terrible in my opinion.

That's fair.

And the Terminator is already out of stock. Massive demand or a smaller release batch?

beast_gts wrote:
And the Terminator is already out of stock. Massive demand or a smaller release batch?

Maybe after a year of sitting around, the mold finally broke?

I wonder how practical the terminator's mace is? It's got a very small wire connecting it to some promethium on his back, but it doesn't look like it can extend much further than his current pose. No two hand swinging for this guy. I guess the flames are only theatrical, so if he accidentally over exerts and pulls the plug, a massive mace is still a good weapon.

 Mr. Grey wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
These models took one (1) year to go from preview to pre-order.

Well, to be fair to them, the last year hasn't been your typically year with the GW factories closed on and off again for a fair chunk of time

I think it's time to stop blaming the events of the last year for how badly FW has been mishandling the 30k line.

I don't see why they aren't pumping these praetors out. Same with leviathans. Legion specific stuff sells, and especially stuff for early black book legions. I honestly dont understand how 30K has just been allowed to fall into a coma. The momentum it had when Prospero was released was a real win. Since then It has been dry as a desert. And honestly I'm over their rules "team" assuming it actually isn't just one guy.

30k lost momentum when Alan Bligh died, and has been loosing resources to the Specialist Games team.

Theres little doubt in my mind at this point that the HH brand has been mismanaged. It seems they'd rather it fade away and be brushed under the table. It was so promising when it began and the angron sculpt was revealed, so much promise. But now it's like the red headed stepchild.

 Thargrim wrote:
Theres little doubt in my mind at this point that the HH brand has been mismanaged. It seems they'd rather it fade away and be brushed under the table. It was so promising when it began and the angron sculpt was revealed, so much promise. But now it's like the red headed stepchild.

Thing is, the game is still popular! They were stunned when they sold through their Sabre stock not long after release and the black books vanish all too quickly. I have no idea what's going on internally, but from our point of view, they're making a right hash of things. As Midnightdeathblade said above, they should be pushing out Legion specific praetors and Leviathians if nothing else. They can't be stuck for vehicles, as I can think of bunch off the top of my head that they can re-imagine (Orgus Flyer, Hercules Heavy Tank, Attack Bike, Jocasta Grav-attack, Furibundus Dreadnought) and they have a load of generic units and legion specific units still waiting. What the hell is going on!?

There have been internal problems for years, even prior to Alan Bligh's death. They were already cutting staff and moving them to other projects - without hiring replacements - when HH was at its peak. It's little surprise that things have ended up this way.

 zedmeister wrote:
I have no idea what's going on internally, but from our point of view, they're making a right hash of things. As Midnightdeathblade said above, they should be pushing out Legion specific praetors and Leviathians if nothing else. They can't be stuck for vehicles, as I can think of bunch off the top of my head that they can re-imagine (Orgus Flyer, Hercules Heavy Tank, Attack Bike, Jocasta Grav-attack, Furibundus Dreadnought) and they have a load of generic units and legion specific units still waiting. What the hell is going on!?

I wonder if recasting / 3D printing is finally taking a dent out of their sales (so 30k isn't looking as profitable anymore), or they're waiting to move more to plastic.

beast_gts wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
I have no idea what's going on internally, but from our point of view, they're making a right hash of things. As Midnightdeathblade said above, they should be pushing out Legion specific praetors and Leviathians if nothing else. They can't be stuck for vehicles, as I can think of bunch off the top of my head that they can re-imagine (Orgus Flyer, Hercules Heavy Tank, Attack Bike, Jocasta Grav-attack, Furibundus Dreadnought) and they have a load of generic units and legion specific units still waiting. What the hell is going on!?

I wonder if recasting / 3D printing is finally taking a dent out of their sales (so 30k isn't looking as profitable anymore), or they're waiting to move more to plastic.

There are rumours going around (from allegedly reliable sources) that there is a big HH update coming, with new plastics and a bit of tidying up of the rules (though not moving to 9th) and the end of the black books.

Tavis75 wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
I have no idea what's going on internally, but from our point of view, they're making a right hash of things. As Midnightdeathblade said above, they should be pushing out Legion specific praetors and Leviathians if nothing else. They can't be stuck for vehicles, as I can think of bunch off the top of my head that they can re-imagine (Orgus Flyer, Hercules Heavy Tank, Attack Bike, Jocasta Grav-attack, Furibundus Dreadnought) and they have a load of generic units and legion specific units still waiting. What the hell is going on!?

I wonder if recasting / 3D printing is finally taking a dent out of their sales (so 30k isn't looking as profitable anymore), or they're waiting to move more to plastic.

There are rumours going around (from allegedly reliable sources) that there is a big HH update coming, with new plastics and a bit of tidying up of the rules (though not moving to 9th) and the end of the black books.

I could see that. They already have a majority of the non-specialist infantry sprues for terminators and power armor in plastic. A plastic Sicaran chassis would be very cost effective, perhaps do a plastic levi as well and you have the most popular models covered.

I wonder if it has anything to do with HH being old marine centered?

beast_gts wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
I have no idea what's going on internally, but from our point of view, they're making a right hash of things. As Midnightdeathblade said above, they should be pushing out Legion specific praetors and Leviathians if nothing else. They can't be stuck for vehicles, as I can think of bunch off the top of my head that they can re-imagine (Orgus Flyer, Hercules Heavy Tank, Attack Bike, Jocasta Grav-attack, Furibundus Dreadnought) and they have a load of generic units and legion specific units still waiting. What the hell is going on!?

I wonder if recasting / 3D printing is finally taking a dent out of their sales (so 30k isn't looking as profitable anymore), or they're waiting to move more to plastic.

I imagine the site-wide 20-40% price increase from a few years ago definitely put a dent in their sales. Also gutting the range of upgrade kits, transfers, and armor marks may seem minor to many people, but personalization is a big part of what makes 30K attractive to people, building and personalizing one of 18 unique legions is a highlight for many. Taking away these options completely rather than making them made to order to save warehouse space is nothing but a detriment to themselves.

People are buying recasts and 3D printing because the models are too damn expensive

Forgeworld should be riding the wave of the Siege of Terra books, the original Isstvan Legions should be getting new units and updates to balance out the book 7-present rules, missing unique characters should be made, legion specific leviathans and praetors should be made for every legion, plastic kits and box sets need to be seen again. My LGS alone went through 68 or so boxes of Prospero burns, cause it was such a great deal. Add some incentive back into the game, hire a more competent rules team.

Give Vulkan a master-crafted weapon lol.

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
I imagine the site-wide 20-40% price increase from a few years ago definitely put a dent in their sales. Also gutting the range of upgrade kits, transfers, and armor marks may seem minor to many people, but personalization is a big part of what makes 30K attractive to people, building and personalizing one of 18 unique legions is a highlight for many. Taking away these options completely rather than making them made to order to save warehouse space is nothing but a detriment to themselves.

This for me is the main factor. My city has quite a large 30k community and i'd love to be able to get into it. But because of the distinct lack of of MkII armour, I cannot faithfully recreate the early crusade-era Dark Angels I desire so much.

Historically, price was also a factor, as 30k was obscenely more expensive then the already painfully pricey 40k. But now, the 40k prices are so near to 30k prices, that it's a reasonably attractive proposition

I am not sure how much 3d printing, IME the 3dprinting tends to just be for bits or weapons for legions. Things they dont sell.
The removal of Mk2 was a bit daft TBH.
Their biggest sin IMO is lack of transperancy.
MAybe we will get plastics, with those new bike patters(Estoc i think it is)
I dont play nore do i plan too, but im building a small display force and i personally will like that.

Seeing there's 3d print files of pretty much everything from infantry to tanks to fliers to super heavies are out there...

Tavis75 wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
I have no idea what's going on internally, but from our point of view, they're making a right hash of things. As Midnightdeathblade said above, they should be pushing out Legion specific praetors and Leviathians if nothing else. They can't be stuck for vehicles, as I can think of bunch off the top of my head that they can re-imagine (Orgus Flyer, Hercules Heavy Tank, Attack Bike, Jocasta Grav-attack, Furibundus Dreadnought) and they have a load of generic units and legion specific units still waiting. What the hell is going on!?

I wonder if recasting / 3D printing is finally taking a dent out of their sales (so 30k isn't looking as profitable anymore), or they're waiting to move more to plastic.

There are rumours going around (from allegedly reliable sources) that there is a big HH update coming, with new plastics and a bit of tidying up of the rules (though not moving to 9th) and the end of the black books.

I wouldn't complain about that. For a ton of the flaws in the current game, Vehicles using the regular unit profile and the AP modification system are things that I'd like to see used in 30k. I know not everyone agrees with me on that (especially the vehicle rules) but the All-Or-Nothing AP system is straight garbage.

 zedmeister wrote:

 Thargrim wrote:
Theres little doubt in my mind at this point that the HH brand has been mismanaged. It seems they'd rather it fade away and be brushed under the table. It was so promising when it began and the angron sculpt was revealed, so much promise. But now it's like the red headed stepchild.

Thing is, the game is still popular! They were stunned when they sold through their Sabre stock not long after release and the black books vanish all too quickly. I have no idea what's going on internally, but from our point of view, they're making a right hash of things. As Midnightdeathblade said above, they should be pushing out Legion specific praetors and Leviathians if nothing else. They can't be stuck for vehicles, as I can think of bunch off the top of my head that they can re-imagine (Orgus Flyer, Hercules Heavy Tank, Attack Bike, Jocasta Grav-attack, Furibundus Dreadnought) and they have a load of generic units and legion specific units still waiting. What the hell is going on!?

I dunno...I think it's pretty self-evident. They're doing *just enough* to keep the 'whales' on the hook, but don't really want to devote the resources to growing the game or even supporting a larger 30K community. Hence the releases are mostly special units, characters and vehicles for customers who already have their armies.

Thing is...I'm not sure 30K was ever expected to be more than a micro-niche thing. But Mr. Bligh's herculean efforts -- combined with some dissatisfaction with 7th ed. 40K -- took it to some surprisingly lofty heights. Sadly the game lost its brains and champion, and this coincided with a continuing upsurge with 40K proper. It actually makes some sense that they don't want to put too much support behind a second 'future Warhammer' game. GW wants to sell plastic kits -- not resin -- and it's a messier product, with support that was too spotty even at its high point. And now that the rulesets have diverged, I'm not sure how much cross-pollination goes on between the systems.

It seems like some in the community keep talking themselves into rumors of new starter sets and plastics, but I think it's clear enough which way the wind is blowing.

I juwst hope we get khan soon TBH

 gorgon wrote:
Thing is...I'm not sure 30K was ever expected to be more than a micro-niche thing.

I tend to agree. While there might have been big plans (Heresy into the Siege into the Scouring), there was a lot of luck and happy accidents - a sculptor's personal project army getting an official stamp and becoming the Solar Auxilla, for example.


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 gorgon wrote:
It seems like some in the community keep talking themselves into rumors of new starter sets and plastics, but I think it's clear enough which way the wind is blowing.

I'm hopeful but I think the chance of a third boxed game are slim at this point.

I just had X3 Demios Rhinos and Sanguinius show up from Forgeworld. Sanguinius looks great of course, but the resin bits to the demios rhinos were kind of gak. The side pieces needed a decent amount of heat bending, which is kind of an expectation with resin so no biggie, but they seem to have shrunk from their intended size. They fit on the plastic portion of the Rhino but cause the treads to be seated at an angle. Kind of annoying since they're like $52 a pop.

Reminder to people, this site is firmly against recasting and violating companies IP. Your own personal stance on the matter is irrelevant, do not discuss it here.

Thing is...I'm not sure 30K was ever expected to be more than a micro-niche thing.

I don't think you publish 9 massive hardcover, fully illustrated campaign books, multiple actual rulebooks, and a HUGE range of resin miniatures and upgrade bits for 18 space marine legions, not to mention two full plastic box sets that sell like hotcakes, for something that's never intended to be more than "micro-niche".

Maybe the game did take off more than FW or GW ever expected, but that's all the more reason to dedicate more support to it. The community of players is there. They'll buy the plastic and resin kits. The only question is why the company itself is so reluctant to show any sign of further supporting the game.

(It's also time to stop the "Well Alan Bligh's passing derailed the entire 30k effort" line. That was 4 years ago, and there have been a decent number of releases since then.)

Well gw is known to kill games that exceeded own sale expectations by 400%….

Maybe it competed too hard with 40k marines

The Xiphon Pattern Interceptor has vanished from the store. No “out of stock” or “no longer available” page, just vanished.

 General Kroll wrote:
The Xiphon Pattern Interceptor has vanished from the store. No “out of stock” or “no longer available” page, just vanished.

You mean this one?

 Orodhen wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:
The Xiphon Pattern Interceptor has vanished from the store. No “out of stock” or “no longer available” page, just vanished.

You mean this one?

Yup, try finding it on the British site.

 General Kroll wrote:

 Orodhen wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:
The Xiphon Pattern Interceptor has vanished from the store. No “out of stock” or “no longer available” page, just vanished.

You mean this one?

Yup, try finding it on the British site.

No Xiphon on the Australian site either.

 Mr. Grey wrote:


Maybe the game did take off more than FW or GW ever expected, but that's all the more reason to dedicate more support to it. The community of players is there. They'll buy the plastic and resin kits. The only question is why the company itself is so reluctant to show any sign of further supporting the game.

FW is less profitable than GW proper and also cannibalises GW proper in a way that no other product can, on top of being extremely vulnerable to undercutting from counterfeit product, plus they've made first-born marines a lot less attractive now that they've re-scaled marine proportions into something a lot nicer than every marine in the FW range. They're letting FW die, or at the very least not expanding, this thread is evidence of that (ie pretty much a dead thread, there's no FW news because FW is on a steep downward trend). I can see why they're doing it tbh, personally I'd prefer they just adopt Primaris scale and keep going but can't really blame them for shifting out entirely. I hope they keep the current inventory though.

Unsure if you've already discussed this, but someone in the r/Warhammer discord pointed out that the Achillus, Aquilon (w. Destructors) and Venatari are all marked as 'SOLD OUT' on the site, at least the US one. I read a bunch of doom & gloom comments here and started worrying. No official communication from FW in regards to this?

 TigerMafia wrote:
Unsure if you've already discussed this, but someone in the r/Warhammer discord pointed out that the Achillus, Aquilon (w. Destructors) and Venatari are all marked as 'SOLD OUT' on the site, at least the US one. I read a bunch of doom & gloom comments here and started worrying. No official communication from FW in regards to this?

Both the GW & FW sites are having issues with things showing as sold out (or just disappearing) rather than out of stock.

Oh, ok. That's comforting.

 TigerMafia wrote:
Oh, ok. That's comforting.

They're all still on the UK site (Aquilon w/ Firepikes are "TEMPORARILY OUT OF STOCK") so either the Citadel (or wherever they US hub is now) is out of stock or it's the website bug.

Maloghurst the Twisted will be available to pre-order soon, apparently.

And reqular previews of new models

tneva82 wrote:
And reqular previews of new models

Actual good news! About time they started doing previews. Who knows, this may lead into a new book...

Some legions get all the nice models, and others are left with the dregs.

That model is sweet and has proportions more similar to the new plastic CSM (this is good).

I see this is becoming a chaos sorcerer or lord for lots of CSM players

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Some legions get all the nice models, and others are left with the dregs.

Yeah, they really need to go back and start filling in the gaps. Didn't they say every Legion was getting a praetor?

I hope FW starts redoing a lot of the older models.

Imagine a new Abbadon and Loken.

World Eaters probably need the most love, since they have models but they're horribly dated.
Word Bearers and NL have a mix of new and old that I wouldn't mind seeing updated as well.

And a lot of the loyalists could do with an upgrade.

Abaddon is great. Tbh, some of the newer models are a lot worse than most of the older stuff, the Space Wolves in particular, and I don’t see them starting with them...

Really like Maloghurst though. He looks excellent.

Burn everything and rebuild in plastic.

 GaroRobe wrote:
I hope FW starts redoing a lot of the older models.

Only if they redo them in plastic. There's still lots of gaps that need filling.

 GaroRobe wrote:
I hope FW starts redoing a lot of the older models.

Good lord, no! With the exception of the Space Wolves...

Kirioth has posited that, based on how crisp the detail is, Mallghurst may be a plastic model.

I’m inclined to agree. There’s just something about it which doesn’t suggest a resin release.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Kirioth has posited that, based on how crisp the detail is, Mallghurst may be a plastic model.

I’m inclined to agree. There’s just something about it which doesn’t suggest a resin release.

In what world we live in that plastic has crisper detail than resin?

It is just a problem of paintjob, FW normal paintjobs are horrible to show the fine detail of the models.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Kirioth has posited that, based on how crisp the detail is, Mallghurst may be a plastic model.

I’m inclined to agree. There’s just something about it which doesn’t suggest a resin release.

Doesn't really matter since they all paint prints for the Studio pieces.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Kirioth has posited that, based on how crisp the detail is, Mallghurst may be a plastic model.

I’m inclined to agree. There’s just something about it which doesn’t suggest a resin release.

I thought the same of the phyrr cats and yet they turned out to be resin.

I think it might be a result of GW doing more 3D design work and some of their 3D plastic design team working on resin models; or models being designed with plastic in mind and then being made in resin.

So, for quite a bit, every legion mostly had 2 special characters, with only one being released.
Could they be doing the releases for those?
He also isnt on a Diorama like the others. Like Ahriman and Fell HAnded.
So maybe he is plastic.
just an idea.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Kirioth has posited that, based on how crisp the detail is, Mallghurst may be a plastic model.

I’m inclined to agree. There’s just something about it which doesn’t suggest a resin release.

Posted this on B&C and I'll repeat here:

I doubt it. Take a look at the fine details like spikes, rivets, the gloves and backpack holes. They're well defined as per a resin cast. Where, with plastic, they tend to be angled slightly so that it work in GWs mould machines. To me, there's too many undercuts, fine detail and the like that makes this more likely be a resin cast

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Kirioth has posited that, based on how crisp the detail is, Mallghurst may be a plastic model.

I’m inclined to agree. There’s just something about it which doesn’t suggest a resin release.

I mean, both the Word Bearer Preators also looked very Plastic-esque and turned out to be resin, it's just a matter of a more GW-esque Paintjob.


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 Galas wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Kirioth has posited that, based on how crisp the detail is, Mallghurst may be a plastic model.

I’m inclined to agree. There’s just something about it which doesn’t suggest a resin release.

In what world we live in that plastic has crisper detail than resin?

Forgeworld.

Love it. So nice to finally see one of my favourite characters after all these years

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Kirioth has posited that, based on how crisp the detail is, Mallghurst may be a plastic model.

I’m inclined to agree. There’s just something about it which doesn’t suggest a resin release.

People speculated the same thing about Tarvitz and he ended up resin.

I very much doubt that there will be any plastic heresy releases as even the limited run Medicae and Praetor they sold out of GW stores were Resin.

Unless, of course, it's a Calth/Propsero style box set.

In which case they would be probably be announcing that rather than just Mallghurst.

 Galas wrote:
In what world we live in that plastic has crisper detail than resin?

Are you stuck in 2010? Because that was about last year resin could claim to have any advantages, ever since then, it was just all the way down. You don't even need to look at comical, 2 cm thick HH capes or warped "details" on resin models, all you need to do is to compare plastic HH units/characters with resin ones. Heaven and earth, and that's with 2016 plastics, not 2020 ones. Even the rivets are no longer a problem.

And yeah, can't see this being resin. Doesn't look like junk, way too nice and uniform details, and the most damningly, the Iron Halo between his hand and banner is virtually impossible to be made in resin, it will bend or snap in casting 99/100 times. The only way it can be resin it's 3D printed resin master, because FW casting process won't make what was shown on WC photo, ever

 Irbis wrote:

 Galas wrote:
In what world we live in that plastic has crisper detail than resin?

Are you stuck in 2010? Because that was about last year resin could claim to have any advantages, ever since then, it was just all the way down. You don't even need to look at comical, 2 cm thick HH capes or warped "details" on resin models, all you need to do is to compare plastic HH units/characters with resin ones. Heaven and earth, and that's with 2016 plastics, not 2020 ones. Even the rivets are no longer a problem.

And yeah, can't see this being resin. Doesn't look like junk, way too nice and uniform details, and the most damningly, the Iron Halo between his hand and banner is virtually impossible to be made in resin, it will bend or snap in casting 99/100 times. The only way it can be resin it's 3D printed resin master, because FW casting process won't make what was shown on WC photo, ever

Always nice to see a post that's going to age like fine... milk.

 Irbis wrote:

 Galas wrote:
In what world we live in that plastic has crisper detail than resin?

Are you stuck in 2010? Because that was about last year resin could claim to have any advantages, ever since then, it was just all the way down. You don't even need to look at comical, 2 cm thick HH capes or warped "details" on resin models, all you need to do is to compare plastic HH units/characters with resin ones. Heaven and earth, and that's with 2016 plastics, not 2020 ones. Even the rivets are no longer a problem.

And yeah, can't see this being resin. Doesn't look like junk, way too nice and uniform details, and the most damningly, the Iron Halo between his hand and banner is virtually impossible to be made in resin, it will bend or snap in casting 99/100 times. The only way it can be resin it's 3D printed resin master, because FW casting process won't make what was shown on WC photo, ever

I mean... take into account that this is not what you'll get, be it resin or not. This is , as you say, a 3d print of the model, so for example it doesn't really matter how hard an Iron Halo migt or might not be to make in resin. That will be after, with whatever you get, not here.

Also, it's been years and years since last I bought resin stuff from FW, but resin itself is not a problem for stuff like that. Take Artel W's minis, for example: the casts are clean as feth, and even the really, really small pieces get here unbroken and unbent.

 Albertorius wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Galas wrote:
In what world we live in that plastic has crisper detail than resin?

Are you stuck in 2010? Because that was about last year resin could claim to have any advantages, ever since then, it was just all the way down. You don't even need to look at comical, 2 cm thick HH capes or warped "details" on resin models, all you need to do is to compare plastic HH units/characters with resin ones. Heaven and earth, and that's with 2016 plastics, not 2020 ones. Even the rivets are no longer a problem.

And yeah, can't see this being resin. Doesn't look like junk, way too nice and uniform details, and the most damningly, the Iron Halo between his hand and banner is virtually impossible to be made in resin, it will bend or snap in casting 99/100 times. The only way it can be resin it's 3D printed resin master, because FW casting process won't make what was shown on WC photo, ever

I mean... take into account that this is not what you'll get, be it resin or not. This is , as you say, a 3d print of the model, so for example it doesn't really matter how hard an Iron Halo migt or might not be to make in resin. That will be after, with whatever you get, not here.

Also, it's been years and years since last I bought resin stuff from FW, but resin itself is not a problem for stuff like that. Take Artel W's minis, for example: the casts are clean as feth, and even the really, really small pieces get here unbroken and unbent.

But that's Artel W, not Forgeworld, which is universally known for absolutely gak Resin at insane prices.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Galas wrote:
In what world we live in that plastic has crisper detail than resin?

Are you stuck in 2010? Because that was about last year resin could claim to have any advantages, ever since then, it was just all the way down. You don't even need to look at comical, 2 cm thick HH capes or warped "details" on resin models, all you need to do is to compare plastic HH units/characters with resin ones. Heaven and earth, and that's with 2016 plastics, not 2020 ones. Even the rivets are no longer a problem.

And yeah, can't see this being resin. Doesn't look like junk, way too nice and uniform details, and the most damningly, the Iron Halo between his hand and banner is virtually impossible to be made in resin, it will bend or snap in casting 99/100 times. The only way it can be resin it's 3D printed resin master, because FW casting process won't make what was shown on WC photo, ever

I mean... take into account that this is not what you'll get, be it resin or not. This is , as you say, a 3d print of the model, so for example it doesn't really matter how hard an Iron Halo migt or might not be to make in resin. That will be after, with whatever you get, not here.

Also, it's been years and years since last I bought resin stuff from FW, but resin itself is not a problem for stuff like that. Take Artel W's minis, for example: the casts are clean as feth, and even the really, really small pieces get here unbroken and unbent.

But that's Artel W, not Forgeworld, which is universally known for absolutely gak Resin at insane prices.

That's why I said that the end result for the client doesn't much matter, as this is a 3d printed master, yes.

 Irbis wrote:

 Galas wrote:
In what world we live in that plastic has crisper detail than resin?

Are you stuck in 2010? Because that was about last year resin could claim to have any advantages, ever since then, it was just all the way down. You don't even need to look at comical, 2 cm thick HH capes or warped "details" on resin models, all you need to do is to compare plastic HH units/characters with resin ones. Heaven and earth, and that's with 2016 plastics, not 2020 ones. Even the rivets are no longer a problem.

And yeah, can't see this being resin. Doesn't look like junk, way too nice and uniform details, and the most damningly, the Iron Halo between his hand and banner is virtually impossible to be made in resin, it will bend or snap in casting 99/100 times. The only way it can be resin it's 3D printed resin master, because FW casting process won't make what was shown on WC photo, ever

Why are you talking like the only resin in the world is GW produced one?

There’s usually some detail which gives away plastic, so compromise the sculpt has to make to work with the metal moulds. However, GW have been getting better and better at hiding that and cutting up the sculpt in more intricate ways to maximise what is possible. So, I just can’t tell. There’s nothing about this that says it’s definitely plastic or definitely resin to me.

 Galas wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Galas wrote:
In what world we live in that plastic has crisper detail than resin?

Are you stuck in 2010? Because that was about last year resin could claim to have any advantages, ever since then, it was just all the way down. You don't even need to look at comical, 2 cm thick HH capes or warped "details" on resin models, all you need to do is to compare plastic HH units/characters with resin ones. Heaven and earth, and that's with 2016 plastics, not 2020 ones. Even the rivets are no longer a problem.

And yeah, can't see this being resin. Doesn't look like junk, way too nice and uniform details, and the most damningly, the Iron Halo between his hand and banner is virtually impossible to be made in resin, it will bend or snap in casting 99/100 times. The only way it can be resin it's 3D printed resin master, because FW casting process won't make what was shown on WC photo, ever

Why are you talking like the only resin in the world is GW produced one?

Cause, we're comparing FW to GW, we absolutely should only be comparing GW resin and GW plastic. Absolutely nothing to gain out of discussing Artel W resin or something else, when talking about a model we both know GW made.

I really, really doubt Mal is plastic. There are a lot of clearly FW style design cues.

The head, for one, looks like a lot of FW, not GW heads.

The rock he's standing on is closer to FW rocks.
The skulls on the banner, the pipes on his armor, etc are all reminiscent of FW sculpting and design.

The only thing that's stopping me from believing he's 99% resin is I was sure Uriel Ventris was also going to be resin.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Galas wrote:
In what world we live in that plastic has crisper detail than resin?

Are you stuck in 2010? Because that was about last year resin could claim to have any advantages, ever since then, it was just all the way down. You don't even need to look at comical, 2 cm thick HH capes or warped "details" on resin models, all you need to do is to compare plastic HH units/characters with resin ones. Heaven and earth, and that's with 2016 plastics, not 2020 ones. Even the rivets are no longer a problem.

And yeah, can't see this being resin. Doesn't look like junk, way too nice and uniform details, and the most damningly, the Iron Halo between his hand and banner is virtually impossible to be made in resin, it will bend or snap in casting 99/100 times. The only way it can be resin it's 3D printed resin master, because FW casting process won't make what was shown on WC photo, ever

Always nice to see a post that's going to age like fine... milk.

It's clearly metal...and a conversion. I'd stake Irbis's life on it.

It'll be resin simply because I want it to be plastic.

Looks plastic.
/Edit - IDK why they would be making a plastic HH model, so I'm not saying it is plastic, but it does look like plastic.

Personally i found it hilarious that everyone is so used to Forgeworld minis being absolute crap, that everytime they see a good-looking one they automatically go "Nah that can't be Forgeworld it's gotta be plastic."

Never mind

In my experience, FW resin is great. I got Qin Xa recently and it's fine.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Personally i found it hilarious that everyone is so used to Forgeworld minis being absolute crap, that everytime they see a good-looking one they automatically go "Nah that can't be Forgeworld it's gotta be plastic."

Never had that experience personally. I buy regularly enough and never had worse than some slight bending. 30 second hot water job and all's fine.

Yeah I haven't had one bad experience with them so far, but I understand that's very anecdotal and doesn't count for much.

I think part of it is the paint job and the base. Many are used to Heresy characters having a more fancy base and the paint job isn't isn't worst I've seen.

Think there are reasonable arguments for and against it being plastic. We know there’s the whole product code swap over going on with Heresy stuff, so something is happening with the product line.

Hypothetically, he could be a plastic model for a new plastic boxset, or something.

It’s been a few years since the Prospero box and that and Calth were a big success.

To me the most intriguing thing about this new mini is that, in terms of proportions, it looks more like the current Chaos Space Marines than old marines. I know there’d be a big outcry from many players if they rescaled HH to Primaris proportions, but I think starting to redo the range to match the better size and proportions of Chaos Marines would be a good thing.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
To me the most intriguing thing about this new mini is that, in terms of proportions, it looks more like the current Chaos Space Marines than old marines.

They've been doing this for quite some time now

 Marshal Loss wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
To me the most intriguing thing about this new mini is that, in terms of proportions, it looks more like the current Chaos Space Marines than old marines.

They've been doing this for quite some time now

Then I’ve clearly not been paying attention. I lost interest in HH as soon as Primaris came along.

Imperial Fist prætors!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/05/14/the-new-imperial-fists-praetors-are-perfect-for-butchering-iron-warriors/

OK, those are quite nice. Lots of nice detail without being over the top ridiculous or just slapped on. Hope we get this quality when Ultramarines and Iron Hands roll around, rather than what they got for their contemptor dreadnoughts

Yeah, they're really nice. Dynamic without being silly, ornate but in a way that makes sense, and includes elements that make sense to evolve into an Emperor's Champion.

And, worthy of note, notice the presence of rocks that aren't being stood upon! That's how to do a nice dynamic pose. The Terminator especially looks to have a lot of weight behind him

I like the sculpts and poses on both.

That terminator praetor with the shield will fit very nicely into my shield-heavy force

Oh yes, that's what I expect from HH these days, awesome minis and I may have to pick up at least one! (Might be the photos, but they feel a bit bulkier/upscaled a bit?)

Those are really nicely done. I appreciate that the Mk3 Praetor has a pose that isn't as "I'm just about to fall over" extreme as the new Primaris assault guys from Indomitus are.

Yep, really big fan of these.

I'm probably reading to much into this, but.... Its interesting that this article mentions the Praetors being "available to pre-order soon from Forge World". But with Maloghurst it just said " pre-order soon" with no mention of FW

Gotta give credit where its due, these look A+.

hOwEvEr,

Lets get some more custom Leviathans with these Praetors like they had been doing for a while. Id love to see a fist Leviathan with similar ornaments like that Tartaros Praetor.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
I know there’d be a big outcry from many players if they rescaled HH to Primaris proportions, but I think starting to redo the range to match the better size and proportions of Chaos Marines would be a good thing.

I kind of wish they rescaled to Primaris proportions, if only because this means actual, human anatomy, not lack of half of spine. Sure, usual tiny very loud minority would whinge but they would get vastly more sales from 40K players looking to spice up their armies than they would lose with crybabies (who usually just buy from thieves anyway).

It would be even more true to fluff, multiple HH marines are stated to be huge, Custodes sized, like Primaris unlike their ugly squatty models

On a side note, I don't like these Fists. Weird poses, too busy, and why they are now copying Scars and their beaten copper decorations??

"Too busy", bro have you seen like, every single other 30k preator ever? And the poses are at least a very big improvement from leaping off a rock that 40k seems to enjoy. And the first one is a very classic shield pose too.

After spending the past month or two painting nothing but Star Wars Legion clone troopers, (they have actual human proportions) I picked up a MKVI plastic the other day and literally cringed at the scale of the damn thing. What a shame that they didn't scale up the MKIII and MKIV when they had the chance (like the new CSM, Rubric Marines, or Deathwatch veterans).

So yeah, I love the scale up these praetors seem to have, and im very much considering selling all my infantry and going the true-scale route.

Also, the hammered copper plates on the legs look awesome. Breaks up the solid yellow.

I mean, if they scaled up these Preators, then they would be out of scale with every single previous 30k Marine, wouldn't they?

 Irbis wrote:

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
I know there’d be a big outcry from many players if they rescaled HH to Primaris proportions, but I think starting to redo the range to match the better size and proportions of Chaos Marines would be a good thing.

I kind of wish they rescaled to Primaris proportions, if only because this means actual, human anatomy, not lack of half of spine. Sure, usual tiny very loud minority would whinge but they would get vastly more sales from 40K players looking to spice up their armies than they would lose with crybabies (who usually just buy from thieves anyway).

It would be even more true to fluff, multiple HH marines are stated to be huge, Custodes sized, like Primaris unlike their ugly squatty models

On a side note, I don't like these Fists. Weird poses, too busy, and why they are now copying Scars and their beaten copper decorations??

Proportions on space marines have never bothered me, they're toy soldiers that inevitably you'll be looking at from 3+ feet of distance on a tabletop.

Scaling up all the 30k marines to Primaris size would suck, because that's actually a decent and noticeable size increase. I'm not rebuying 90+ marines just because the new minis are bigger. That said, a *small* increase in size, say 1-2mm, would probably not look out of scale with the current ranges.

The poses on the praetors are actually really great, nobody is standing on or leaping off of a tactical rock, and the Mk3 praetor's pose is far more believable than the assault Primaris, some of whom look like they're falling forward because the angle of the pose is so extreme. As for busy... have you seen the other Praetor models? This level of decoration is well and good for someone who's supposed to be leading a chapter.

God I wish I had the money and talent to justify buying forgeworld crap... I mean the characters at least are manageable. They are gorgeous models though.

The fists praetors look dope and gives me hope that when they get around to it my MKIII Salamanders ones will look great.

macluvin wrote:
God I wish I had the money and talent to justify buying forgeworld crap... I mean the characters at least are manageable. They are gorgeous models though.

I just wanna point out that with $195 Mega-gargants, $150 greater daemons, $130 centerpiece minis, and $140 Combat Patrols... FW is not that much more expensive than regular GW anymore. A Spartan Assault Tank is less than a Mega-gargant...

Small bit of good news - legion dice are back in stock on Forgeworld

 zedmeister wrote:
Small bit of good news - legion dice are back in stock on Forgeworld

Thanks for the heads up - bought!

According to a poster on B&C, who asked Anuj, they are by Simon Egan too!

Very nice return to form

PetitionersCity wrote:
According to a poster on B&C, who asked Anuj, they are by Simon Egan too!

Very nice return to form

His first attempt at digital sculpting and not a Primarch since 2012. Wonder if this means the Khan is done...?

Argel Tal!

Nice. If only all possessed models were that good.

Legion Dispatch - Get to Know Argel Tal – the Word Bearer Who Really Changed on His Gap Year

Love it. Excellent model. Reminds me how much I love the Gal Vorbak too, some of the best models they’ve ever done IMO.

HOLY. FETH.

That is a freaking amazing model. Jealous of all the Word Bearers players and I don't even like that legion all that much.

Blimey! Do like the old style Chaos bio-mechanical horror look

Really great model. He basically screams ''that is how you do the Possessed SM''.

Love it. Just really drives home how pisspoor the plastic Possessed/Greater Possessed/Daemon Prince are though. Feel like we'll be seeing this standing in for a DP in many a 40K army.

Whoa! Now THAT'S what all CSM Possessed and Daemon Princes should aspire to be.

Sweet model! I never actually noticed the Word Bearers before, but this model made me check their existing FW model lineup and I'm loving it! The Ashen Circle kit looks very cool as well, those models just scream 2000 AD insired proper UK scifi goodness

If I ever started a CSM army, it'd have to be a soup of Tsons & Word Bearers for sure.

Boy howdy that is something that i'd like to convert for my cursed....

I do wonder on the pricetag though

That's how chaos marines should look like.

Finally; a decent winged daemon prince model.

Not Online!!! wrote:
Boy howdy that is something that i'd like to convert for my cursed....

I do wonder on the pricetag though

Honestly with current plastic GW characters ranging anywhere from $35 up to $65 and up(Guilliman, Abaddon, Ghaz), Forge World's pricing on a lot of their character mini is not that bad.

Speculation on base size? I think it looks like a 50mm, but I don't think anything in 30k has used a 50 so far...

Pretty sure it’s a 50, but this is based purely off eyeballing the depth/width ratio.

Do we know if he's plastic or resin?

soviet13 wrote:
Do we know if he's plastic or resin?

Resin. We don’t know/haven’t explicitly been told, but it’ll be resin (as every other character that people have thought might be plastic has been).

That guy should look nice next to some Dark Vangence Chosen.

Really glad to see we're getting more MkII armour!

I don't care for the current gal vorbak. But if they got repainted half as well as Argel, I'd be all over them, no doubt

Love that model. Id love to get some of that cool armor type as we...oh wait

Really like it.

Lovely model. I'll look forward to it going up for sale around Easter next year.

Saw this on Facebook:









Not sure of source, etc. Claimed to be plastic starter, not sure if it is, etc.


EDIT - Source identified:



Bit miffed its seems they totally skipped over plastic mk5

I've been thinking there's another set coming out for HH, looks like that might be it.

Interesting. The beakies don't quite seem to have the normal awkward minimarine proportions.

I admit to have zero eye for that kind of detail unless I can look at two pieces side by side. So you're thinking these are legit, or at the very least not the existing forgeworld minis?

So Mk6, Spartan, Contemptor (w/ Autocannon) and at least one character (Volkite & tactical rock). Are they all the existing terminators?

The tracks on the spartan are definitely different from the version we have now and I have never seen that captain(?) with his tactical rock before.

 Crimson wrote:
Interesting. The beakies don't quite seem to have the normal awkward minimarine proportions.

Yeah looks like there might be a bit of rescaling going on there with the beakies. I wonder if the Termies have been tweeked as well? Its hard to tell without clearer pictures.

chaos0xomega wrote:
I admit to have zero eye for that kind of detail unless I can look at two pieces side by side. So you're thinking these are legit, or at the very least not the existing forgeworld minis?

The beakies are definitely new.

 Shadox wrote:
The tracks on the spartan are definitely different from the version we have now and I have never seen that captain(?) with his tactical rock before.

The Contemptor has a different missile launcher on top as well. Plus the vox pack on the Marines are different.

It would make sense to do the Spartan in plastic then have the Typhon / Cerberus / whatever as a FW resin upgrade kit.

Looks like a Terminator character on the SoH side in the vs group shot?

Guess its time to decide which Legion I prefer in MK6

I have to admit, I prefer MK3 and 4 for heresy, it looks more archaic for me than Corvus.

But those look very cool! And yeah, it looks very much like they are becoming taller. Probably not primaris taller but plaguemarine/chaos marine taller.

 Galas wrote:
I have to admit, I prefer MK3 and 4 for heresy, it looks more archaic for me than Corvus.

But those look very cool! And yeah, it looks very much like they are becoming taller. Probably not primaris taller but plaguemarine/chaos marine taller.

More likely Dewathwatch marine taller.

chaos0xomega wrote:
I admit to have zero eye for that kind of detail unless I can look at two pieces side by side. So you're thinking these are legit, or at the very least not the existing forgeworld minis?

Those aren't existing Forge World minis, and nobody goes to that much trouble to Photoshop(?) and prank a bunch of 30K players. As for your comment about Mk5 - there's always a chance that this potential set is part of a small wave of new Horus Heresy releases. I'd like to see Mk2 before Mk5, myself. It feels like the big selling point here is the possible plastic Spartan, though of course more plastic infantry is always great too.

Those aren't existing Forge World minis, and nobody goes to that much trouble to Photoshop(?) and prank a bunch of 30K players.

I wish that were true, but theres been a number of fake leaks over the years that were in fact just peoples homemade conversions, etc. that just looked legit, several of them photoshopped to make them look like legit leaks.

I wish that were true, but theres been a number of fake leaks over the years that were in fact just peoples homemade conversions, etc. that just looked legit, several of them photoshopped to make them look like legit leaks.

On the other side of the coin, I remember when the first Primaris marine was leaked and everybody was convinced it was just somebody's homemade conversion. Don't worry, if these are real leaks(which they are), then GW is going to respond pretty quickly.

Yep, at this point I'm convinced its a legitimate leak, its just at first I couldn't tell if these were actually any different from the forgeworld sculpts.

I’m ready to order multiples if this is what’s in the starter, fething amazing.

I'm good for 2 copies

I want a closer look at the contemptor, but it already looks better than the Caltech version. Hopefully proper multipart.

Reserving 2 of this set from my flgs already. I like to pre pre order from them

Wonder if the Contemptor will be able to use the fw weapon arms.

They’re very pretty!

Extremely exciting.

If that picture is a single set...30 beakies? Yowza.

Seriously fingers crossed some of the more basic tanks are coming in plastic. Because I hate working with resin, let alone plastic resin hybrid kits.

 John Prins wrote:
If that picture is a single set...30 beakies? Yowza.

There were 30 mkiv/mkiii in the first two heresy boxes, so it wouldn’t be unheard of.

Should be 30 beakies, you can see a unit of 10 Sons of Horus up front, facing down what looks to be a unit of 10 Imperials Fist beakies, with what looks to be another unit of 10 Sons of Horus beakies supporting the Contemptor in back.

And there's a scatter die in one of those pics.

 Snrub wrote:
Really glad to see we're getting more MkII armour!

These leaks were described weeks ago and plastic mkii was also mentioned, obviously, take that with a grain of salt but one can hope. Apparently all this stuff has been heavily set back because of covid.

Hey man, if theres *another* box set with 30 mkii marines I'm also buying 2 of those too.

Now, GW needs to just give us me what we I really want - a box with 30 mk5 marines.

Never seen the head on that IF sarge, either, and the proportions on the corvus armor (maybe distorted by the camera lense or something) look distinctly different from what we're used to.

If they're retroactively embiggening marines I'm fething out. Totally unnecessary, will look DREADFUL next to existing armies.

 posermcbogus wrote:
Never seen the head on that IF sarge, either, and the proportions on the corvus armor (maybe distorted by the camera lense or something) look distinctly different from what we're used to.

If they're retroactively embiggening marines I'm fething out. Totally unnecessary, will look DREADFUL next to existing armies.

I have my concerns too, but I can't imagine that they embiggened them beyond what they did with the Deathwatch - the Deathwatch look fine sitting next to legacy firstborn.

They look reproportioned rather upscale. Hard to tell without a comparison of course.

 posermcbogus wrote:
Never seen the head on that IF sarge, either, and the proportions on the corvus armor (maybe distorted by the camera lense or something) look distinctly different from what we're used to.

If they're retroactively embiggening marines I'm fething out. Totally unnecessary, will look DREADFUL next to existing armies.

That seems like a bit of an overreaction. If they are making them slightly larger, they're not going to be anywhere near Primaris size. At most they might be 1-2mm taller. They're not going to look out of place next to your regular marines.

The proportions of those new marines look surprisingly good for non-primaris stunty marines. I’m not really interested in HH but I would like to get my hands on some of those helmets.

 posermcbogus wrote:

If they're retroactively embiggening marines I'm fething out. Totally unnecessary, will look DREADFUL next to existing armies.

You mean existing armies will look dreadful next to them. Which is due the old marine models looking dreadful, and having good looking models next to them makes it painfully apparent.

Wouldn’t be surprised if these were scaled the same as the Space Marine Heroes Series 1 Mk VII guys, which are basically the same as the newer Chaos Marines (i.e. bigger than the older ones, but not as big as Primaris, which they *should* be smaller than). If so, great news for my Firstborn Crimson Fists project, which I’m using the SMH guys for at present.

 posermcbogus wrote:
Never seen the head on that IF sarge, either, and the proportions on the corvus armor (maybe distorted by the camera lense or something) look distinctly different from what we're used to.

If they're retroactively embiggening marines I'm fething out. Totally unnecessary, will look DREADFUL next to existing armies.

**leans back in rocking chair**
I was there the day they retired the RTB01 set.

I'm excited, but also not excited? The armor looks great, but I can't think of a HH army that I like that I could make with mostly MK 6 armor. Raven Guard don't appeal to me. But I should probably get it and not miss out like the other two sets.

I'm definitely getting some; I don't even play the games anymore, but after collecting two MkVI companies I'd love a 3rd.

 GaroRobe wrote:
I'm excited, but also not excited? The armor looks great, but I can't think of a HH army that I like that I could make with mostly MK 6 armor. Raven Guard don't appeal to me. But I should probably get it and not miss out like the other two sets.

Can you not just make any army you like with them?

Oh dear lord, my wallet. Looks amazing!

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
I'm excited, but also not excited? The armor looks great, but I can't think of a HH army that I like that I could make with mostly MK 6 armor. Raven Guard don't appeal to me. But I should probably get it and not miss out like the other two sets.

Can you not just make any army you like with them?

I mean, the Sons of Horus look good in that scheme. But certain legions look better in certain armor marks. Like Death Guard, Space Wolves, IF, IW, etc look ace in Mark 2/3. Same with mark 4, 5, etc. But I don't recall any chapters that rock the MK 6 look, besides Raven Guard.


Wait, never mind. Alpha legion. Yeah, I'm sold

the beakies look as if they're standing straighter which will give them a bit of extra height compared to the old 'pooping' pose

wouldn't be surprised if there was a touch of embiggeing going on too, but there doesn't need to be

Definitely painting these up as Ultramarines. Between other 30k stuff and my 40k army I'll be able to play some great Scouring era games.

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Interesting. The beakies don't quite seem to have the normal awkward minimarine proportions.

Yeah looks like there might be a bit of rescaling going on there with the beakies. I wonder if the Termies have been tweeked as well? Its hard to tell without clearer pictures.

I was just thinking the same thing that they look a bit taller/better proportioned. Not fully "truescaled" but better. I suppose it could just be because they're beakies which are supposed to be a bit more mobile/dextrous in the backstory (at least in the old FFG rpg).

What restartes should have been. I hope to be in a position to get one of these too.

How long before we see the alt contemptor loadout and spartan added to the SM codex?

Interesting, have to see what the price point for the box is, whether it's FOMO limited or not, etc.

But potentially I could see picking up a set or two of these to make 30k/40k force.

Hydra dominatus

If the box set is 30 beakies a Spartan and a not terrible contemptor I’ll take two, maybe three

AL are awesome 30k force, very strong if you play to their advantages! Very strong alpha strike potential! Pity their special units are crap to mediocre at best.

Never noticed that mark 6 helmets have little lights/lenses on top of their helmet.

Also, one of the Sons of Horus marines has a nice aquila pendant hanging off his bolter. Maybe he had second thoughts about the whole Heresy

 Tamereth wrote:
If the box set is 30 beakies a Spartan and a not terrible contemptor I’ll take two, maybe three

Plus 2 characters and 5 cataphractii.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Tamereth wrote:
If the box set is 30 beakies a Spartan and a not terrible contemptor I’ll take two, maybe three

Plus 2 characters and 5 cataphractii.

Please stop with the good news, in the words of zapp branagan I can only get soo erect.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Tamereth wrote:
If the box set is 30 beakies a Spartan and a not terrible contemptor I’ll take two, maybe three

Plus 2 characters and 5 cataphractii.

You guys realize the price point you’re probably looking at there, right? Even $300 would probably represent a savings. Spartan is a big model.

I doubt the spartan will be part of the box. It'll be more like Betrayal at Calth - one side gets the contemptor and the other the terminators.

Then the spartan will be sold separately. We saw a lot of AoS previews too and not everything was in the Dominion box set.

 ScarletRose wrote:
I doubt the spartan will be part of the box. It'll be more like Betrayal at Calth - one side gets the contemptor and the other the terminators.

Then the spartan will be sold separately. We saw a lot of AoS previews too and not everything was in the Dominion box set.

A few places are now saying there're plastic Sicarans & Land Raiders (hopefully Proteus and not a MkIIb conversion sprue) on the way, so it's possible it's a wave with the big box and few other kits.

 ScarletRose wrote:
I doubt the spartan will be part of the box. It'll be more like Betrayal at Calth - one side gets the contemptor and the other the terminators.

Then the spartan will be sold separately. We saw a lot of AoS previews too and not everything was in the Dominion box set.

Why would they include the Spartan in the pic though if it's not going to be part of the box?

I can easily see this being around $250 or more and something like the Contemptor and the Cataphractii just being "freebies". I think the intent with this box is to jumpstart Horus Heresy again as a game system, and this set(if it is a set) will easily give you a full starting army right out of the box. At the same time, there's more than enough new content to also appeal to veteran Heresy players.

 Mr. Grey wrote:

 ScarletRose wrote:
I doubt the spartan will be part of the box. It'll be more like Betrayal at Calth - one side gets the contemptor and the other the terminators.

Then the spartan will be sold separately. We saw a lot of AoS previews too and not everything was in the Dominion box set.

Why would they include the Spartan in the pic though if it's not going to be part of the box?

Because that's a basic sales technique?

Oh you like [item]? Well it looks even better/cooler/more useful with [other item], you'd better buy all of it....

 ScarletRose wrote:
I doubt the spartan will be part of the box. It'll be more like Betrayal at Calth - one side gets the contemptor and the other the terminators.

Then the spartan will be sold separately. We saw a lot of AoS previews too and not everything was in the Dominion box set.

The photography seems to be from the back of the box set, so I would imagine if its being shown in the photo, its probably included in the box unless theres a specific "not included" indicator there - the one that we can see says "scenery not included", and to my knowledge they don't display minis that are not included on the back of these boxes since it would open them up to false advertising lawsuits, etc. So smart money for now is on it being included.

You do however raise a good point that its a bizarrely mismatched set. Imperial Fists get:

10 Beakies
5 Cataphractii
a Hero
Spartan

Sons of Horus get:
20 Beakies
a Hero (Terminator, I think? Looks better than the Fist character)
Contemptor

Hard to say that these two sides are balanced or equal unless that Sons of Horus hero is Abaddon himself. The Spartan alone is worth more than most of the Sons of Horus side of the force and in terms of capability would easily slag most of the Sons minis singlehandedly.

EDIT - Mind you we can't see about 25% of the display, the bottom right hand corner is basically missing, and GW often sets these displays up with a 2-prong attack type thing going on, so entirely possible theres like a squad of Sons of Horus Jetbikes or a Landspeeder or something hanging out there.

 Mr. Grey wrote:

Why would they include the Spartan in the pic though if it's not going to be part of the box?

We are obviously not seeing the whole picture with this leak, both literally and figuratively. This could be a promo pic for the general Heresy (re)launch, and there is text about the Spartan being sold separately that has been missed out?

Either way, plastic Spartan

Someone else, possibly on reddit, pointed out that Calth and Prospero weren't necessarily matched as "equal" forces either.

Because that's a basic sales technique?

Oh you like [item]? Well it looks even better/cooler/more useful with [other item], you'd better buy all of it....

While this is a fair point, this looks very much like a product promo image and it feels like it would be weird for GW to show all of this off and then have the Spartan be a separate purchase on it's own. That leaves them open to a lot of "Wait, the tank isn't in the box? What do you mean I need to buy it separately?" issues from potential customers.

We are obviously not seeing the whole picture with this leak, both literally and figuratively. This could be a promo pic for the general Heresy (re)launch, and there is text about the Spartan being sold separately that has been missed out?

Either way, plastic Spartan

Absolutely. We're all really just speculating until Games Workshop puts up an article or lets us know exactly what it is. I feel sorry for whoever is in the office this weekend, I bet they're having to scramble to figure out what and when to post.

chaos0xomega wrote:
The photography seems to be from the back of the box set, so I would imagine if its being shown in the photo, its probably included in the box unless theres a specific "not included" indicator there - the one that we can see says "scenery not included", and to my knowledge they don't display minis that are not included on the back of these boxes since it would open them up to false advertising lawsuits, etc. So smart money for now is on it being included.

All GW boxes have "Contents may vary from those shown" or similar on them. The SoB Army Box had photos of the 'normal' multi-part Canoness on it rather than the actual ('limited') model that came in the box.

It was supposed to be MkII and bikes in the new box set!

MkII and bikes, Forgeworld. Didn't you hear what your fan base wanted?!

The spartan is probably more than a match for the rest of the box combined, there's a contemptor w/autocannon and a couple plasma pistols against a huge tank like that? It's way too unbalancing.

 Mr. Grey wrote:


Absolutely. We're all really just speculating until Games Workshop puts up an article or lets us know exactly what it is. I feel sorry for whoever is in the office this weekend, I bet they're having to scramble to figure out what and when to post.

I really don't want to seem like I'm hammering my point, so I'll just end by saying I agree on this - it's a lot of guessing based on a few photos. It's exciting news for sure but we can only just wait and see.

beast_gts wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
The photography seems to be from the back of the box set, so I would imagine if its being shown in the photo, its probably included in the box unless theres a specific "not included" indicator there - the one that we can see says "scenery not included", and to my knowledge they don't display minis that are not included on the back of these boxes since it would open them up to false advertising lawsuits, etc. So smart money for now is on it being included.

All GW boxes have "Contents may vary from those shown" or similar on them. The SoB Army Box had photos of the 'normal' multi-part Canoness on it rather than the actual ('limited') model that came in the box.

"Contents may vary" isn't a "get out of jail" card to avoid false advertising, "contents may vary" means that the details on the miniatures themselves may vary from whats shown - typically because the minis being photographed are painted prototypes rather than the production miniatures. Its generally understood that "contents may vary" means that the disparity in value between the product photography and its actual contents is negligible - i.e. all the photographed components/objects are either included or substituted for something of approximately equivalent value and/or utility so long as it does not change the nature of the product being advertised or the perceived value estimation that results. If you were buying a piece of ikea furniture and the product photography indicated it came with like a metal screwdriver but it comes with a plastic screwdriver instead, the contents varied but it varied in a manner that was of equivalent utility as the screwdriver is a tool used in assembly and not the product itself - whereas if they photographed a metal shelf and when you opened the box it was wood instead then the product has more than "varied" as its an intrinsically different product.

In the case of your example, the SOB Army Box varied because the canoness was different from the one photographed, but the box still included a canoness regardless even if it was a different one and the contents of the box could still be said to have the same approximate value and it wasn't an intrinsically different product. You *could* take them to court over false advertising but the court would probably find that even though the canoness didn't match it was replaced by something of arguably equivalent value and utility even if it wasn't quite identical.

In this case, displaying an entire unit that isn't included in the box in the photography and not including it or an equivalent substitute is no longer "the contents varied" - its "you mislead the public into a false estimation of the value of the products contents through advertising which didn't accurately reflect the product they were actually purchasing".

Its honestly just daft to argue that they stuck whats probably an $80-100 item into what seems likely to be the back of the box contents photography for an upcoming product with no intent to include it.

 ScarletRose wrote:
The spartan is probably more than a match for the rest of the box combined, there's a contemptor w/autocannon and a couple plasma pistols against a huge tank like that? It's way too unbalancing.

Best you'd hope for is to get a couple of meltas/multi-melta in the tac squad kit.
Otherwise you're replying on the chain fists on the termies and the dreadnought CCW. Pretty bloody unbalanced if the box is a boardgame like the BaC/BoP boxes.

 Snrub wrote:

 ScarletRose wrote:
The spartan is probably more than a match for the rest of the box combined, there's a contemptor w/autocannon and a couple plasma pistols against a huge tank like that? It's way too unbalancing.

Best you'd hope for is to get a couple of meltas/multi-melta in the tac squad kit.
Otherwise you're replying on the chain fists on the termies and the dreadnought CCW. Pretty bloody unbalanced if the box is a boardgame like the BaC/BoP boxes.

Its Horus Heresy, those aren't tac squads and they won't have meltas or multi-meltas in the unit. The sergeant gets a weapon option and everyone else gets bolters, and thats it.

EDIT - Interestingly this doesn't seem to be a board game as the photography displays both sides set up for battle. Both of the previous Horus Heresy boxes displayed them as boardgames with the hex tile boards and various other board game accoutrements in the photo. Likewise so do the box sets for things like Necromunda, Kill Team, Warcry, etc. (not quite wargames, but you get the point). Looks like they are really pushing this as a "core" tabletop wargame ala 40k/AOS.

They stated that revitalising 30K as a core game was a plan a good while ago.

Not gonna lie, I don’t love those beakies though. Feet look odd and the bonding studs look very huge on the pauldrons. Maybe it’s just the old heroic proportions when I’m used to lovely Primaris anatomy, but these are a swing and a miss for me.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
They stated that revitalising 30K as a core game was a plan a good while ago.

I think you were probably thrown off by me putting core in quotes, but the main emphasis of that sentence was actually "tabletop wargame". GWs previous plastic HH entries were more on the board game side of the fence, and the marketing for basically all the other 40k/AoS sub-labeled games have been in a similar vein treating it as a boxed experience with follow-on expansion products rather than the more "freeform" approach taken with 40k/AoS.

Gotcha. Still, they did say they had plans to make sure “everyone will be playing Horus Heresy” a couple of years back. Seems they intend to do more than leave it to their garage-quality resin casting dept.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Its Horus Heresy, those aren't tac squads and they won't have meltas or multi-meltas in the unit. The sergeant gets a weapon option and everyone else gets bolters, and thats it.

Sorry, should have made my point a bit clearer, I meant meltas on tac sprue itself. Like what they did with the MkIII/IV tac squads. So you can run them as all Legion Tactical Squads or use them as Legion Veteran Squads. If you don't get weapon options, then it's gonna be pretty one sided fight with that Spartan.
If you can use them as Vets, then at least you could take a melta and tankhunters and you'd get the illusion of having a chance against it.

 Snrub wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Its Horus Heresy, those aren't tac squads and they won't have meltas or multi-meltas in the unit. The sergeant gets a weapon option and everyone else gets bolters, and thats it.

Sorry, should have made my point a bit clearer, I meant meltas on tac sprue itself. Like what they did with the MkIII/IV tac squads. So you can run them as all Legion Tactical Squads or use them as Legion Veteran Squads. If you don't get weapon options, then it's gonna be pretty one sided fight with that Spartan.
If you can use them as Vets, then at least you could take a melta and tankhunters and you'd get the illusion of having a chance against it.

Ah gotcha. The fact that all the marines in the photo seem to only be carrying bolters (aside from what I assume are sgts) is actually kinda worrying, then again the photos are blurry enough that its possible we're just not seeing the 1-2 dudes per squad who aren't carrying a bolter.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Snrub wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Its Horus Heresy, those aren't tac squads and they won't have meltas or multi-meltas in the unit. The sergeant gets a weapon option and everyone else gets bolters, and thats it.

Sorry, should have made my point a bit clearer, I meant meltas on tac sprue itself. Like what they did with the MkIII/IV tac squads. So you can run them as all Legion Tactical Squads or use them as Legion Veteran Squads. If you don't get weapon options, then it's gonna be pretty one sided fight with that Spartan.
If you can use them as Vets, then at least you could take a melta and tankhunters and you'd get the illusion of having a chance against it.

Ah gotcha. The fact that all the marines in the photo seem to only be carrying bolters (aside from what I assume are sgts) is actually kinda worrying, then again the photos are blurry enough that its possible we're just not seeing the 1-2 dudes per squad who aren't carrying a bolter.

Tactical Squads are usually only outfitted with Bolters (seargents notwithstanding).

 Orodhen wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Snrub wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Its Horus Heresy, those aren't tac squads and they won't have meltas or multi-meltas in the unit. The sergeant gets a weapon option and everyone else gets bolters, and thats it.

Sorry, should have made my point a bit clearer, I meant meltas on tac sprue itself. Like what they did with the MkIII/IV tac squads. So you can run them as all Legion Tactical Squads or use them as Legion Veteran Squads. If you don't get weapon options, then it's gonna be pretty one sided fight with that Spartan.
If you can use them as Vets, then at least you could take a melta and tankhunters and you'd get the illusion of having a chance against it.

Ah gotcha. The fact that all the marines in the photo seem to only be carrying bolters (aside from what I assume are sgts) is actually kinda worrying, then again the photos are blurry enough that its possible we're just not seeing the 1-2 dudes per squad who aren't carrying a bolter.

Tactical Squads are usually only outfitted with Bolters (seargents notwithstanding).

The photography for Calth and Prospero depicted them carrying one heavy and one special weapon for each squad of 10 (besides the sergeants and their armaments). Forget which one was which, but one of them was a melta and missile launcher, the other a plasma and heavy bolter.

Ooohhhhh this is exciting. Those mk6 look better proportioned. I'm a little sad it's not mk2 or mk5 though.

And plastic Spartan!! Plastic hopefully-not-garbage contemptor! Honestly the resin contemptor is so good I doubt the plastic one will impress me but we can hope!

If this comes out soon after Dominion my wallet will be angry.

Watch this crush numarine sales. GW management may be surprised!

 jeff white wrote:
Watch this crush numarine sales. GW management may be surprised!

You posted this in another thread and it wasn’t plausible there either.

 jeff white wrote:
Watch this crush numarine sales. GW management may be surprised!

40k Marines of whatever flavour are pretty much guaranteed to outsell anything heresy.

Right, I mean as nice as it would be for these to outsell primaris, they've had the opportunity for a while now with the mkiii/iv boxes.

I'm in for however this is and will stop buying primaris(I like them and have 5k pts of them) but I prefer setting my games in pre Rift.

Well, i'm glad I kept my heresy era Fists around. Time to get Dorn.

Watch this outsell Sigmarines/Dominion. I will buy multiples, keep them for few years and sell for 200% profit

Looking back at it, this is pretty inline with the email I received from FW when asked about some of their products being "no longer available". Their reply was

Please don't worry these items are not discontinued, they are undergoing some product packaging updates and will return to the store once the product updates are complete.

Would be good to see 30k revitalised with a new starter set. It looks from the pics like it will be more of a 30k set than a set with "board game" components that fill landfills worldwide

More so if we get the relatively core vehicles in plastic.

Sure there’s not really anything preventing me using the bog standard plastic Rhino, Predator etc. But I’d prefer (and would pay for) a plastic upgrade sprue over resin any day of the week.

And I suspect I’m not alone in that. I don’t expect everything to get done in plastic. Certainly I don’t see anything bigger than the Spartan being moved across. I’m ok with that, as I’m not sure how often I’d use say a Mastodon or other Super Heavy.

But I think I’d be more willing to buy such big boys in resin if they’re the only thing I need to fart about straightening and pinning.

 Snrub wrote:

 ScarletRose wrote:
The spartan is probably more than a match for the rest of the box combined, there's a contemptor w/autocannon and a couple plasma pistols against a huge tank like that? It's way too unbalancing.

Best you'd hope for is to get a couple of meltas/multi-melta in the tac squad kit.
Otherwise you're replying on the chain fists on the termies and the dreadnought CCW. Pretty bloody unbalanced if the box is a boardgame like the BaC/BoP boxes.

Well boardgame doesn't have to follow 30k rules. Bac/bop didn't.

And it's not like　unbalanced starters is new. 40k 3e had literally unkillable unit in it. Here at least in theory you can kill spartan. 3e one side literally could roll all 6's and not make dent. Rules literally made it impossible. Fb 8e elves had huge advantage. And aos3 launch　set sigmarines have about 30% more　points.

Have heard there's more rumours going around on Reddit from the guy who leaked these pics, stating that there will be more plastic releases along side this set. Supposedly including among other things, MkII armour.
Does anyone have a link to the appropriate Reddit page? I don't know how to navigate that site.

tneva82 wrote:
Well boardgame doesn't have to follow 30k rules. Bac/bop didn't.

That's very true. A board game might have a specific mechanic for blowing up a spartan.

40k 3e had literally unkillable unit in it.

What unit was that?

tneva82 wrote:
And it's not like　unbalanced starters is new. 40k 3e had literally unkillable unit in it.

Splinter Cannons were S4, so could glance the Landspeeder.

MkIII armor has been tempting me for a while to make a Chaos army, MkII might push me over the edge.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
And it's not like　unbalanced starters is new. 40k 3e had literally unkillable unit in it.

Splinter Cannons were S4, so could glance the Landspeeder.

Couldn’t DE warriors still take haywire grenades back then too?

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
And it's not like　unbalanced starters is new. 40k 3e had literally unkillable unit in it.

Splinter Cannons were S4, so could glance the Landspeeder.

Couldn’t DE warriors still take haywire grenades back then too?

Only on a Sybarite; for which there were no parts in the kit.

Not super sure how to feel on this. I love 30K and have been playing since release, but my group and I recently decided to sell out of it due to a few reasons:

-The game is barely supported.
-The rules (team) is doing an awful job period
-Firstborn marines have terrible proportions.
-Its prohibitively expensive
-Everything is constantly out of stock (please don't make COVID excuse its been happening for 3 years now)
-Models we want and upgrades we need are no longer available

This is a potential fix for a few of those but also creates more problems:

-Apparently the game is going to be supported again
-Hopefully they canned the bozo who has been writing the rules lately (hur durr 24" ARTILLERY tank)
-MKVI have actually correct proportions (not truescale, but taller than a guardsmen and shorter than a primaris, honestly the scale for the CSM and Deathwatch is perfect).
-Plastic is inherently cheaper than resin
-????

So, the game may be getting supported, but how drastic are these changes? Will they be any good? I guess we'll find out.
MKVI look great, but MKIII, and MKIV will look bad in comparison (they look bad next to CSM and DW and SM Heroes) will they update 3 year old kits and make them slightly taller? Absolutely not.
GW is having a hard time with stock. These will be no exception, so scalpers are gonna have a field day as always, and if we go by GW's current track record, this will likely be a limited "launch box" where Calth and Prospero were around for 2 years each. Also the problem of upgrades being unavailable will likely remain the same.

I think I will sit on the fence until they show a lot more tanks and infantry that they plan to release in plastic. If MKII is confirmed, a few multi-option tank kits (Sicaran/Predator) come out in plastic, and they revisit some of the older Isstvan era legion units in plastic I will consider it. (Recently SW, BA, DA, & WS have had increased proportions for Legion specific units, so older ones will need that treatment and a facelift in some cases)

Assuming 30k is going to get ongoing support in the same vein as other "specialist" games, I would be surprised if there are not Legion specific kits in the pipeline. Either in the form of "upgrade" sprues or full units with compatible parts.

 Snrub wrote:

 ScarletRose wrote:
The spartan is probably more than a match for the rest of the box combined, there's a contemptor w/autocannon and a couple plasma pistols against a huge tank like that? It's way too unbalancing.

Best you'd hope for is to get a couple of meltas/multi-melta in the tac squad kit.
Otherwise you're replying on the chain fists on the termies and the dreadnought CCW. Pretty bloody unbalanced if the box is a boardgame like the BaC/BoP boxes.

Well, in Heresy melta is one of the worst weapons against spartan. From front you can't even glace it. From every other side you need 6 to glance, and it has 5HP...so yeah, good luck. If you take spartan, you will always take flare shield + armored ceramite. There are very few things in heresy that can threaten spartan. Considering cost, there is also little point in LR, since spartan has 2x fire power(unless you take that LR with 3 lass) not to mention it's way more survivable.


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 Snrub wrote:
It was supposed to be MkII and bikes in the new box set!

MkII and bikes, Forgeworld. Didn't you hear what your fan base wanted?!

Well, bikes from FW are really over priced. On the other hand, outriders in heresy except maybe from White scars/DA are almost useless? Very expensive for what they do on table.

Yes, I think that's why they were wanting plastic bikes in the starter...

 JohnnyHell wrote:
They stated that revitalising 30K as a core game was a plan a good while ago.

Not gonna lie, I don’t love those beakies though. Feet look odd and the bonding studs look very huge on the pauldrons. Maybe it’s just the old heroic proportions when I’m used to lovely Primaris anatomy, but these are a swing and a miss for me.

Everything you seem to dislike ticks my YES boxes... I have an old marine collection that had been slowly developing alongside other armies which I had been able to build and interested in building more quickly. I was not happy with the way that restartes were introduced as new marines. I would have much preferred that GW do what they were doing, better, rather than starting something new... anyways, this set is exactly what I would have wanted to finish my collection, really great.


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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
MkIII armor has been tempting me for a while to make a Chaos army, MkII might push me over the edge.

I have also a fledgling heretic marine collection... no demons. Yeah, me too. I guess half of this starter box, assuming that I will be able to get one and it is not limited release, would go in that direction anyways. But adding some older variants for mutant conversions, vets and champs would be awesome have to say...

I think GW have missed a trick by giving Cataphractii in this set, rather than releasing a decent set of Saturnine Terminators, although who knows, they may yet make an appearance?

grahamdbailey wrote:
I think GW have missed a trick by giving Cataphractii in this set, rather than releasing a decent set of Saturnine Terminators, although who knows, they may yet make an appearance?

Maybe one day...

I think it's very interesting that GW hasn't acknowledged this huge leak, when doing so seems to have be their more recent response to leaks.

That makes me think that it's probably the next "big" release after the new sigmar set and they don't want to take any attention away from that until they have all their launch sales locked in.


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 zedmeister wrote:

grahamdbailey wrote:
I think GW have missed a trick by giving Cataphractii in this set, rather than releasing a decent set of Saturnine Terminators, although who knows, they may yet make an appearance?

Maybe one day...

These guys do some great saturnine armour:
https://tortuga-gamestable.top/index.php?route=product/product&path=223&product_id=3235

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
I think it's very interesting that GW hasn't acknowledged this huge leak, when doing so seems to have be their more recent response to leaks.

That makes me think that it's probably the next "big" release after the new sigmar set and they don't want to take any attention away from that until they have all their launch sales locked in.

Also possible that they just don't have the material ready to really talk about it yet.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
I think it's very interesting that GW hasn't acknowledged this huge leak, when doing so seems to have be their more recent response to leaks.

That makes me think that it's probably the next "big" release after the new sigmar set and they don't want to take any attention away from that until they have all their launch sales locked in.

Also possible that they just don't have the material ready to really talk about it yet.

It might be for once be an actual leak, not something GW themselves put out to bring up a bit of hype.

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
I think it's very interesting that GW hasn't acknowledged this huge leak, when doing so seems to have be their more recent response to leaks.

They just acknowledged the new Ork Boyz leak today, so give it a few more days...

 Kanluwen wrote:

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
I think it's very interesting that GW hasn't acknowledged this huge leak, when doing so seems to have be their more recent response to leaks.

That makes me think that it's probably the next "big" release after the new sigmar set and they don't want to take any attention away from that until they have all their launch sales locked in.

Also possible that they just don't have the material ready to really talk about it yet.

That seems unlikely when the leaks in question appear to be of production photos of the models. GW works years ahead on their releases, so given that we're seeing captures of painted eavy metal in production shots, your assertion seems unlikely.

I think this is just down to marketing and making sure people buy the hit of the current plastic crack the company is peddling before they get distracted by the next big thing.

beast_gts wrote:

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
I think it's very interesting that GW hasn't acknowledged this huge leak, when doing so seems to have be their more recent response to leaks.

They just acknowledged the new Ork Boyz leak today, so give it a few more days...

The Ork boyz weren't really a leak, they were on the art of the Gaunts ghosts box up for preorder and probably given out for unboxing vids already.

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
I think this is just down to marketing and making sure people buy the hit of the current plastic crack the company is peddling before they get distracted by the next big thing.

Most likely. There's probably some marketing droid fuming that this has been leaked and, in his view, threatening to kneecap the Dominion launch and are currently in a bind on whether to confirm or ignore the leak...

Thats a legit new beakie kit, those legs are not available in the current beakie range. I should know, I've gone theough every single Corvus armoured bit in the GW & FW catalog.

Loving the new proportions! These look awesome.

Guess it's time to put this army build on hold for now.. Sheesh, I wonder how much of this stuff will be redundant now

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/794269.page

But can't complain really.. I've wished for Corvus plastic kits for decades and these will surpass my expectations!

grahamdbailey wrote:
I think GW have missed a trick by giving Cataphractii in this set, rather than releasing a decent set of Saturnine Terminators, although who knows, they may yet make an appearance?

With a Spartan and hopefully a proper contemptor kit, I can forgive them reusing one set of sprues for the cats.


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 zedmeister wrote:

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
I think this is just down to marketing and making sure people buy the hit of the current plastic crack the company is peddling before they get distracted by the next big thing.

Most likely. There's probably some marketing droid fuming that this has been leaked and, in his view, threatening to kneecap the Dominion launch and are currently in a bind on whether to confirm or ignore the leak...

From the pictures, I wonder if the leaks are from an upcoming white dwarf article? They just have that feel to the composition

grahamdbailey wrote:
I think GW have missed a trick by giving Cataphractii in this set, rather than releasing a decent set of Saturnine Terminators, although who knows, they may yet make an appearance?

I thought the same thing.

Whitehot on Bolter and Chainsword has joined the images up: