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Post by: Elemental
 Hulksmash wrote:I just went in for the models I like. $175 later...For 11 whole models...Ah well, they're pretty.
Same here, more or less. This is like S&M for the wallet--it hurts so bad, but it feels strangely good at the same time.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
 Myrthe wrote:Quick question -
Is the Holiday Bonus Twilight Knight free with ANY product order? As in, if I pledge $26 for shipping and one $15 option will I still get the knight ?
As far as we know yes, as long as you're getting a physical thing shipped to you you'll get the twilight knight
but you need to pledge at the 'options only' $11 to get things
so $11 + $24 internatiojnal shipping +$15 pinup = $50 ($26 if in the USA)
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Post by: cincydooley
Does anyone have a list of the models that, at this point, are KS/Convention only?
I believe that, so far, they are:
All of the Messengers
Holiday Nico
Kara
Candy & Cola
Does anyone know if the "final pinup" model falls into this category as well. Jesus. This thing is going to bankrupt me.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
EDIT: Okay, I got it. It looks like the Twilight Witch is just like the other Pin Ups, but hte Twiligth Allison isn't. Gotta get her then. Gotcha.
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Post by: Zweischneid
 cincydooley wrote:Does anyone have a list of the models that, at this point, are KS/Convention only?
I believe that, so far, they are:
All of the Messengers
Holiday Nico
Kara
Candy & Cola
Does anyone know if the "final pinup" model falls into this category as well. Jesus. This thing is going to bankrupt me.
The Adam & Anna models obviously. Right from the start they were KS-exclusive.
None of the Pin-Ups are exclusive (with Holiday Nico probably being the closest you get there).
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Post by: Dentry
At $450 right now and trying to hold steady. Feels like a losing battle.
Buyer's Remorse?
Come at me, bro!
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Post by: JudgeShamgar
Has "Death Toll" crashed? It just takes you to a part of the Kingdom Death website.
It still works for anyone interested. Here is the link: http://kdm.bortian.net/
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Post by: Breotan
I saw two of those open up since midnight. Failed to get either one.  JudgeShamgar wrote:Has "Death Toll" crashed? It just takes you to a part of the Kingdom Death website.
There should be a correct link on that site which works.
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Post by: cincydooley
Adam has said they'll be available at 'other KD events.' Not knowing what that means just makes me nervous. That's why I'm not getting any of the dudes. I don't know them from the Anime's so they don't have any special place for me.
Dentry--- I think that's going to be at or around my number too. And that's without a single pin-up. WTF.
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Post by: JudgeShamgar
Thanks Breotan. I ninja'd myself.
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Post by: kingdomdeath
I don't know if I am happy or sad that there is only 113 minutes left?
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Post by: BrookM
Ha, you think this is hard? Just wait until you get the money and you need to get it all done! 
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Post by: Remiele
It might just be me, but if the twilight witch looks anything like the concept art it will end up being my favorite miniature ever. The Watcher looks awesome on its own but when you add this... If the execution is anything like the rest of Adam's miniatures I am going to be so happy.
*insert take my money image*
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Post by: endtransmission
If I were you I'd be happy I could go to bed and get some sleep
I just want whatever the 1,900,000 model is... it looks creepy as hell
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Post by: Dentry
Not sure if anybody's mentioned it yet, Adam.
But congratulations on becoming a millionaire, Mr. Kingdom Death.
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Post by: Alpharius
Not sure what to add to get the 1.9M stretch.
Looks like a +$25 type of thing, or a freebie add on to Spidecules.
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Post by: Fafnir
Dentry wrote:Not sure if anybody's mentioned it yet, Adam.
But congratulations on becoming a millionaire, Mr. Kingdom Death.
Well, Adam's hardly a millionaire yet. Most of that money is going to end up going straight into production and logistics.
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Post by: silent25
Dentry wrote:
But congratulations on becoming a millionaire, Mr. Kingdom Death.
Yes, the IRS and the state of New York congratulate you and are eager to talk to you 
The craziness is only beginning 
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Post by: Lt. Coldfire
Just in time for the tax hikes too
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Post by: BlueDagger
Looks like someone was hunting for IMG URLs. God I hope we make 2 million... sooo want.
Slenderman looks effing creepy. Kudos on the creeptastic vibe.
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Post by: Zweischneid
Average pledge per backer: $364
Lol.
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Post by: Fafnir
Come on, 2 Million, daddy wants a White Speaker!
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
First thing Adam needs to do when he wakes up is head off to get a good accountant
so he can keep as much cash as he can to make stuff for us (and to live off while he does, LOL)
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Post by: endtransmission
*ding* Slenderman is mine. *muahahaha*
*ahem*
Roll on 2 Million
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Post by: Alpharius
$1.9M hit - now he needs to hurry up and tell us what it is/costs! 
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Post by: endtransmission
 Alpharius wrote:$1.9M hit - now he needs to hurry up and tell us what it is/costs!
The link further up the page shows his image for this milestone. It's called the Slenderman and costs $25.
If we reach 2 million we're supposedly getting a free White Speaker
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Post by: Alpharius
Is this real?
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Post by: Absolutionis
We made it.
Now I kinda hope it's not a Jack Skellington/Slenderman hybrid that I'd be forced to buy.
...or maybe a free Spidicules add-on. That'd be great!
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Post by: Fafnir
Yes, it's real. User on /tg/ found it by URL fishing.
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Post by: lucasbuffalo
I was 99% sure I wasn't gonna add any more to my "Extra stuff only" pledge sitting at 145... but then Slenderman :(
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Post by: cincydooley
OMG SLENDER MAN IS AWESOME.
And another freeie!
WHAT?!
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Post by: Baragash
Man.... if that Slender Man is true I got $695 in for Survivor + Int Shipping + 50 base inserts + all expansions + KS exclusive stuff (apart from the resin survivors, I'm fine with the plastic ones)......... someone hold my credit card back before it knee caps me!
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Post by: Fafnir
More importantly, a freebie I don't already have.
PLEDGE HARDER, GOD DAMMIT!
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Post by: BlueDagger
The average $ per pledge person is insane. This was indeed an ingenious kickstarter.
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Post by: Dentry
I'm pledging as hard as I can! Bumping pledge now, sir!
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
I guess we'll get an official reveal at 191900 (10% over) as that's apparently the proprotion of pledges that don't pay
so I guess Adam is waiting till then to post it
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Post by: Fafnir
Lessee...
BF Survivor #4 - $133
Canadian Shipping - $30
Dragon King - $30
Sunstalker - $45
Lantern Festival - $45
Spider Silk Assassain - $15
Messenger of Courage - $15
Alison, Twilight Knight - $15
$328 total, and I've got $30 set aside for two more exclusives/pinups/expansions/whatever.
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Post by: King Thor
Can you add-on after it ends? Or do you have to do that upfront?
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Post by: endtransmission
So. Can we do the $1200 a minute we need to hit 2 million?
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Post by: Breotan
Survivor + All Expansions + All Promo figures = sad, sad wallet
I decided not to get the extra bases in favor of more figures. I'm glad I went that way.
And apparently I just missed out on another BF Survivor. 
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Post by: endtransmission
King Thor wrote:Can you add-on after it ends? Or do you have to do that upfront?
If you want to put cash in, you need to do it now. Adam has said no additions after the final bell
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Post by: Fafnir
King Thor wrote:Can you add-on after it ends? Or do you have to do that upfront?
Once again, no, you may not add-on after the kickstarter is over.
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Post by: Buzzsaw
Just to confirm that the leaked image is real, with the following update text;
OMG OMG OMG OMG 1.9 MILLION !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Update #60 · Jan. 07, 2013 · 13 comments
WE HAVE UNLOCKED THE SECRET NEMESIS MONSTER...
The Dreaded Slender Man!
I am afraid to say that even a single glance will instantly end your life. Sadly only the legendary White Speakers know of how to face this dangerous entity. The poor survivors don't stand a chance...
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOOK AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!!!!
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Post by: RiTides
What a crazy finish... how long is left?
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Post by: BrookM
63 minutes.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
And from the look of it, we will hit the 2 million.
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Post by: Breotan
Two million. For a board game.
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Post by: scragglefoot
Future Rob better be happy with the money present Rob is spending today, Im hoping past Rob Didn't mess up spending about the same on sedition wars!
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Post by: cincydooley
The deah toll link is not working. Aahhhhhh!!!!!!!
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Death Toll is struggling with the load
You can use this instead, but you'll need to do the maths yourself
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/8922/kingdomdeathv1900.jpg
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Post by: Rainyday
I've been relying on it these past few days for my calculating needs. I'm lost without it.
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Post by: Rolt
Yeah this will hit the 2mil mark, we won't have time for anything else mind you.
Quick everybody hold up your fingers, were gonna do this the old fashioned way.
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Post by: Fafnir
 Rainyday wrote:
I've been relying on it these past few days for my calculating needs. I'm lost without it.
When in doubt, just throw more money at it!
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Post by: BrookM
Use a piece of paper and a calculator..
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Post by: Stormy
Story lads, I'm more interested in the KS exclusives. I'm just wondering if anyone knows if Beyond the Wall is KS exclusive or not as the Death Toll thing suggested it was?
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Post by: Breotan
Beyond the Wall is a KD figure that has been produced in the past. I've got one of the limited edition resins in my apartment and I believe but not certain that there was a general release of this figure, too.
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Post by: Stormy
Thanks for the swift response, lad. I'm flitting through a pile of forums and some Anon suggested it might be so I had to ask around to check.
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Post by: Hulksmash
39.5k for the freebee. That would be nice. then I'd be up to 12 models for $176
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Post by: Dentry
For all of you having trouble accessing Death Toll.
You could always use the spreadsheet calculator I wrote awhile back. It's simple but it'll help you get your math right.
Download it otherwise you're going to have lots of people changing values on one spreadsheet.
File > Download As >
Link Here
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Post by: Krinsath
*sigh* And there goes the budget for models for the rest of the gorram YEAR and we're in JANUARY. 
Fortunately between DreadBall (spent more on KD) and DreamForge (spent noticeably less on KD *cough*) I should still have a steady stream of plastic crack coming in.
You HAD to add a female twilight knight, didn't you Adam? You and Mark Mondragon are the DEBIL! (from my wallet's perspective)
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Post by: cincydooley
 Fafnir wrote: Rainyday wrote:
I've been relying on it these past few days for my calculating needs. I'm lost without it.
When in doubt, just throw more money at it!
That's what I did. Hana. Automatically Appended Next Post: I'm gonna be in trouble when the Wrarh of Kings one hits. Yikes.
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Post by: Breotan
Little over half an hour to go. Time for you guys to man up and put in your final pledges. I'd suggest putting in an extra $20 to cover any calculation errors.
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Post by: Rainyday
The final pledge-upping...
I really do think I've lost my mind
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Post by: RichS
God I hope all the stuff I cant afford now (the non limited stuff anyway) is easily available in the future! The only pinup that has interested me so far is the witch but I can't decide between that and one of the limited editions!
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Post by: Elemental
What's one more pinup?
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Post by: endtransmission
Well, we're now down to needing an average of $591 a minute for the last 30 minutes and I'm all spent out. Time to go to bed before I try and pledge any more to push it over :/
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Post by: BrookM
We've thrown in an astronomical amount ourselves, damn, just damn.. 
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
 endtransmission wrote:Well, we're now down to needing an average of $591 a minute for the last 30 minutes and I'm all spent out. Time to go to bed before I try and pledge any more to push it over :/
Given it's making $1000 every few seconds at the moment, I'd say $600 a minute is no big deal.
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Post by: Remiele
The only figure I truly splurged on was the witch, got a plastic to play with and a resin version. Also the wife had to have the thin man.
Survivor
Flower Knight
Dragon King
Spidicules
Sunstalker
Lantern Festival
Thin man
Dragon Sacrifice
Messenger of Humanity
Twilight Witch - resin
Twilight Witch - plastic
Allison - Twilight knight
$440... I have to write it somewhere to make it real... and because I can't tell the wife until after this is over, her fault for blanket okaying it.
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Post by: Breotan
Argh!!!  Missed out on two BF Survivor openings right in a row.
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Post by: endtransmission
I love Adam's update to the image typo. Lion God AI cards have been changed to SUPER DUPER Lion God AI cards
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Post by: Dentry
Upped my pledge again.
Ugh, it's a sickness.
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Post by: endtransmission
*ding!* 2 MILLION!
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Post by: mokotochan
Omg final minutes someone drops 5k on full collection! 2M goal hit!
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Post by: Elemental
We did it.
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Post by: Fafnir
It's done. 2 million, with time to spare.
...who's up for another stretch goal?
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Post by: Baragash
Boom $2m
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Post by: Nephilem
I am only just resisting upping my pledge... but that's only because I'm a bit poor at the moment. Even with going in half with a friend I'm still stretching myself a bit. Must.. resist a little bit longer.
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Post by: Colfax
Lets see if it actually stablizes after people withdraw their money and what not for hitting the 2M mark
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Post by: Breotan
Two BF Delux Survivor just opened up.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
I've still got my fingers crossed we get anothe 3K pledge that adds a unique head sculpt (of the pleger) to the box
4 slots open if anybody rich is interested
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Post by: Absolutionis
Well holy feth. $2million.
I was honestly expecting it to be another fall-annoyingly-short-of-million Sedition Wars scenario.
Grats everyone. Grats Poots!
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Post by: BrookM
Job's a good un chaps, I'm out! 
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Wait... you're withdrawing your pledge?
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Post by: cincydooley
Holy gak. That's incredible. White speakers for everyone!!!!!
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Post by: Fafnir
Classy
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Post by: BlueDagger
Boom, 2million... wait... it keeps going up... fast and faster... jesus.
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Post by: Dentry
BF Spots Opening Up Like Crazy!
Get 'em while you can!
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Post by: -DE-
God... in for $420 and I don't even get the game! Madness!
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Post by: Breotan
DUDE! Don't pledge for the pinups. Buy those later. Get the game and limited/promotional stuff while you can.
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Post by: -DE-
I bought no pin-ups either :/
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Post by: spears
May i ask what you did buy?
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Post by: silent25
Well $86 in. Resin Leather Pin-up, Resin Watcher, and Kara. Debating changing them to plastic and getting a couple more pin-ups. However, most the other exclusive figs don't grab me.
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Post by: BrookM
Last call!
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Post by: Breotan
CLOSED!!!! $2,049,266
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
It's over! (/Strongbad)
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Post by: cyphertheory
thats an awesome sum of money. now I have my wife begging me to design a game!
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Post by: Rolt
And its over, dear lord my wallet nearly died.
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Post by: Absolutionis
After seeing all those BF spots opening up, I was afriad of this dipping below $2million. Glad to see it didn't.
Epic finish, if anything.
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Post by: -DE-
Finally, it ends...
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Post by: Breotan
Wow. This one has been a ride.
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Post by: Dentry
No~!
Was gonna pull my pledge at the last second but was struck with diarrhea - literally caught with my pants down! Now I'm forced to pay for stuff I want!
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
$465 here (after losing the battle of wills and breaking $400) + Through the breach = tapped out gaming budget for the foreseeable future, but still excited in the more distant future...
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Post by: BlueDagger
Jesus... refreshing to read comments with 3 mins to go a $85 BF slot opened up. Without even thinking my body reacted and I'll now be getting The game + Nico + Illuminated Lady.
Well played KD, well played. Now to figure out how to hide that $130 from the wife ><
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Post by: Dentry
Also, HOLY CRAP!
It jumped by about $60k in the last 15-20 mins? Unbelievable.
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Post by: Souleater
Well, that was moderately successful
Congratulations to you, Mr Poots. Now go and get rascally drunk!
The amount people spent on this is staggering...I feel guilty spending £50 on it!
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Post by: Baragash
I am so glad this closed, I was looking at buying all the standard pin-ups too at the last minute and just held my nerve.not to.
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Post by: Sasori
395 here. Looking forward to the actual game!
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Post by: BrookM
What a ride? It has only just begun for some!
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Post by: silent25
Dentry wrote:No~!
Was gonna pull my pledge at the last second but was struck with diarrhea - literally caught with my pants down! Now I'm forced to pay for stuff I want!
Just be a horrible person and dispute the charge with your credit card company 
Though seriously hope there aren't any real "false pledges", was reading about some kickstarters which had their top donations being made by people with no intention of paying. Cost some kickstarter $10k.
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Post by: Psychor
First Kickstarter and the day ends with me pledging King of Death. Great job everyone.
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Post by: The Fragile Breath
Wow. Two million. I knew it would get to a million, but two? Wow. Congratulations, Adam, this is going to be one seriously bad-ass game.
Final amount for my girlfriend and myself: Survivor, Flower Knight, Dung Beetle Knight, Slendy, Dragon King, Gorm, Spidicules, Sunstalker, Lantern Festival, Phoenix Dancer, Primal Huntress, Spider Silk Assassin, two Messengers of Courage (one for me, one for the girlfriend), Lantern Festival Girl, and two Allisons (again, one for me, one for my girl). $540. Holy. Crap.
There goes my miniatures budget for most of the year. Thank God it also looks like Gears of War: Judgment is going to suck, that's sixty dollars I don't have to spend on that.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
I can't even look at the list of stuff I'm getting yet
(if I close my eyes I can pretend I didn't spend quite as much as I did, at least till the end of the month CC bill)
to the ebay to generate funds (if I can find anything in the house worth selling)
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Post by: Rolt
Hope everyone got what they wanted, heres my final order:
---CORE---
• Survivor Level - $155
• P&P - $45
---OPTIONS---
• Holiday White Speaker Nico - $20
• Survivor Candy & Cola - $15
• Messenger of Courage - $15
• Messenger of the Spiral Path - $15
• Messenger of Humanity - $15
• Messenger of the First Story - $15
• Survivor Kara Black - $15
• Allison The Twilight Knight - $15
• Extra 5 KD Dice - $10
---EXPANSIONS---
• Flower Knight Expansion - $15
• Dragon King Expansion - $30
• Dung Beetle Knight Expansion - $25
• Man hunter Expansion - FREE HoD
• Lion Knight Expansion - FREE HoD
• Green Knight Armour Set - FREE HoD
Total: $405
I think I've counted it right......
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Post by: Souleater
The price of kidneys is going to plummet with the sudden rise in supply...
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Post by: recruittons
I had to refinagle my pledge quite a bit, because I just didn't have as much as I wanted...
BF#3 Survivor
Flower Knight
Dragon King
Gorm
Lantern Festival
Slender Man
Messenger of Courage
Messenger of the First Story
Allison The Twilight Knight
+HoD extras
I figure I can pick up the Dung Beetle Knight later, so I can use my sweet Green Knight Armor.
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Post by: BrookM
We went mad..
Survivor level pledge + S&H
Flower Knight
Dragon King
Gorm
Dung Beetle Knight
Spidicules
Sunstalker
Lion God
Lantern Festival
Messenger promo
Kara Black
Spiral Path promo
Messenger of Courage promo
Candy and Cola promo
Gatz
Lantern tree
Female Twilight Knight
Slenderman
Extra dice
4x pinup
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Post by: Breotan
So, what do you guys think? A five-pack of Silk Armor or a five-pack of Lantern Armor?
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
If you're a ninja painter go silk and freehand on it
if you're a tabletop painter go Lantern (and this will be the most expensive to get more of after the KS too, as it comes in the game box, and the silk comes in the cheaper expansion)
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Post by: Remiele
I can only assume you have a 5 pack of the Dragon armor, otherwise that. Past that Lantern Armor by far. It was touch and go for me to withstand the Dragon Armor and Lantern Armor 5 packs.
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Post by: Dentry
$490 was my final amount. Decided last minute to grab some of the KS semi-exclusives just in case.
Started at BF Survivor #2 $130.
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Post by: kilcin
Congrats, I kept missing them when they opened up. So sad I had to drop down from the BF Deluxe survivor to make sure I got all I wanted and stayed in budget...
Oh yea, go 'Hawks.
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Post by: Cyporiean
 kilcin wrote:
Congrats, I kept missing them when they opened up. So sad I had to drop down from the BF Deluxe survivor to make sure I got all I wanted and stayed in budget...
Oh yea, go 'Hawks.
Same here..
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Post by: kilcin
My final list:
SURVIVOR $155
[P] Flower Knight $15
[P] Dragon King $30
[P] Gorm $40
[P] Dung Beetle Knight $25
[P] Spidicules $40
[P] Sunstalker $45
[P] Lion God $25
[P] The Lantern Festival $45
[P] The Lonely Tree $30
[P] Survivor Candy & Cola $15
[P] Messenger of Courage $15
[P] Messenger of the Spiral Path $15
[P] Survivor Kara Black $15
[P] Messenger of The First Story $15
[P] Messenger of Humanity $15
[R] Illuminated Lady $25
[P] Slenderman $25
[P] Allison the Twilight Knight $15
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Post by: Breotan
Remiele wrote:I can only assume you have a 5 pack of the Dragon armor, otherwise that. Past that Lantern Armor by far. It was touch and go for me to withstand the Dragon Armor and Lantern Armor 5 packs.
Nah, the Dragon Armor doesn't really grab me. Also, I'm grabbing a five-pack mainly to trade with people later on so I can have eight armor peeps of as many armory types as possible - four peeps for the game and four more to paint & display.
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Post by: DaveC
And payment made successfully just got the Amazon confirmation email
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Post by: Lt. Coldfire
That must be crazy receiving over $2,000,000 in your account.
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Post by: Souleater
I think the more stunning thing must be to realise just how much people love his work.
I wonder if GW are watching this and thinking about Kickstarting the Squats? Or a radical change in SoB armour?
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Post by: Buzzsaw
 Souleater wrote:I think the more stunning thing must be to realise just how much people love his work.
I wonder if GW are watching this and thinking about Kickstarting the Squats? Or a radical change in SoB armour?
Heh, would that "radical change" be "make armor, then make SoB for the armor"?
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Post by: DaveC
Well Kickstarter and Amazon will take their cut which will amount to around $200,000 and every project has a percentage of backers who never pay - still $1.75 million or so into your account yes please
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Post by: gohkm
Definitely congratulations are due to Adam. I blew my entire year's budget for miniatures (maybe even 2 years!) on this alone.
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Post by: BlueDagger
I'm not sure what I'm more excited about: A) the fact that I'm getting the game but since I didn't get the expansions I have something to look forward to if the game is great or B) This was so extremely successful that the money will hopefully spill over to successfully funding the rest of the KD Monsters that weren't in this kickstarter into full addons. I'd love to have the cards to make the Illuminated lady part of the game.
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Post by: RiTides
scragglefoot wrote:Future Rob better be happy with the money present Rob is spending today, Im hoping past Rob Didn't mess up spending about the same on sedition wars!
I'll ask future rob in a few months
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Post by: scragglefoot
 RiTides wrote:scragglefoot wrote:Future Rob better be happy with the money present Rob is spending today, Im hoping past Rob Didn't mess up spending about the same on sedition wars!
I'll ask future rob in a few months
Thanks that guy never remembers what I do for him!
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Post by: primalexile
Total Pledge: $325
BFS #6 SURVIVOR (Snagged this with about 2 minutes remaining)
Man Hunter
Lion Knight
Green Knight Armor
Flower Knight
Dragon King
Dung Beetle Knight
Spidicules
The Lantern Festival
The Lonely Tree
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Post by: Piston Honda
Looking at my credit card statement online right now.
in the description column, half of them say kickstarter.com
This game got about 1 million more than I had predicted. DAMN
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Post by: recruittons
I under-estimated by about 200k :(
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Post by: Bromsy
Man, I knew I should have called in sick to either catch a last minute BF deal or up my pledge. Now I have to finagle things and drop something else to get the Slender Man.
Hmm - Survivor 155
MSGR of Courage 15
MSGR of Humanity 15
MSGR of the First Story 15
Alison the Twilight Knight 15
$215, leaving $260 to play with...
Slender Man $25
Dragon King $30
Lantern Fest $45
Sunstalker $45
Spidicules $40
Dung Beetle Knight $25
Gorm $40
either 10 bases or six heads $10
$475
... so goodbye mr Flower Knight, at least for now. And Kara.
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Post by: RiTides
scragglefoot wrote: RiTides wrote:scragglefoot wrote:Future Rob better be happy with the money present Rob is spending today, Im hoping past Rob Didn't mess up spending about the same on sedition wars!
I'll ask future rob in a few months
Thanks that guy never remembers what I do for him!
You're hilarious
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Post by: Grundz
where is this slender man option?
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Post by: Grundz
see, that and the "still only the spider outline on the main page" confused me quite a bit
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Post by: Dentry
So I was going through the updates on the kickstarter and noticed this, didn't see it posted here after looking upwards from page 40. Anyone else not see this?
Update #53
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Post by: cincydooley
Man, the candy and cola and the messenger of the first story really look great.
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Post by: Barzam
So, this was my first Kickstarter and from the looks of things, it won't be my last. It looks like I am going to be very busy come November since my brother and I both went in on this and are winding up with the game and nearly all of the expansions. I think Gorm and Spidicules are the only ones we didn't get.
I'm kind of curious if we'll be getting the White Speaker seeing as it did reach $2 million, which was the stretch goal to unlock her. But there wasn't an email about unlocking her.
Also, I'm surprised nobody's mentioned the promo characters beyond the crossover ones from Soda Pop and Studio McVey. I love that the messengers are all based on characters from other stuff, kind of like what McVey did with Sedition Wars. Only this one has Link, Ayla from Chrono Trigger, Kamina from Gurren Lagaan, and Guts from Berserk.
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Post by: cincydooley
I think you'll find that the anime ones are lesser known than th ones in Sedition Wars. I had no idea who Ayla, kamiya, or guts were. While its getting more popular in the us, it certainly isn't as popular as, say, Aliens.
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Post by: Barzam
You're probably right. Ayla, assuming that is who she's based on, is fairly obscure. Gurren Lagaan was pretty popular though. That being said though, I didn't realize it was him until just this afternoon. I'm really not surprised about Guts though. It was stated somewhere that Berserk was a big influence for Adam. Judging by those other promo figures, I'd venture a guess that he's a fan of old Super Nintendo games and Gurren Lagaan as well.
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Post by: silent25
Given the overall bleakness of the background, I'm not surprised Poots is a fan of Beserk. As one friend summed it up best;
Guts life begins being pulled from his dead mothers womb. His life goes downhill from there.
Back to Kickster, pledged enough to either get Kara, Resin Watcher and Resin Leather Girl. Or can change them to plastic and have enough for for two more plastic figs. Decisions....
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Post by: cincydooley
Did you get the boxed game? It comes with Two plastic watchers.
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Post by: Breotan
Link to the "visual" pledge guide: http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/6669/kingdomdeathvfinal.jpg
Here is what I'm putting in for... (somebody please doublecheck my math)
Kingdom Death Pledge Breakdown
129.00 - BF Survivor
+25.00 - Dung Beetle Knight Expansion
+30.00 - Dragon King Expansion
+15.00 - Flower Knight Expansion
+40.00 - Gorm Expansion
+45.00 - Lantern Festival Expansion
+25.00 - Lion God Expansion
+00.00 - Lion Knight Expanison
+30.00 - Lonely Tree Expansion
+00.00 - Man Hunter Nemesis Expansion
+25.00 - Slender Man Nemesis Expansion
+40.00 - Spidicules Expansion
+45.00 - Sunstalker Expansion
+15.00 - Allison the Twilight Knight
+00.00 - Green Knight Armor
+20.00 - Holiday White Speaker Nico
+15.00 - Messenger of Courage
+15.00 - Messenger of Humanity
+15.00 - Messenger of the First Story
+15.00 - Messenger of the Spiral Path
+25.00 - Spider Silk Assassin (resin)
+15.00 - Survivor Candy & Cola
+15.00 - Survivor Kara Black
+50.00 - 5 Pack - Lantern Armor Miniature Kit
649.00 Total
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Post by: Dentry
Checks out in my calculations.
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Post by: Still Standing
For the last 9 hours of the kickstarter my internet was down. I didn't get to up my pledge to include all the new stuff. :(
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Post by: Ramos Asura
Ughhhh so much want.... And I think i missed a few of the KS specials....
Bah. Gotta get creative then xD
So far they got me for 408-
Snagged a deluxe BF special
+Lantern Festival
+Flower Knight
+Dragon King
+Dung Beetle knight
+Messenger of the First Story
+one of the Pinups.... Probably the Phoenix dancer in resin.
Though.... I may yet drop the flower knight/ the pinup in favor of more of the KS special ones
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Post by: cincydooley
Kingdom Death Pledge Breakdown
129.00 - BF Survivor
+50.00 - Dung Beetle Knight Expansion (x2)
+30.00 - Dragon King Expansion
+15.00 - Flower Knight Expansion
+45.00 - Lantern Festival Expansion
+00.00 - Lion Knight Expanison
+00.00 - Man Hunter Nemesis Expansion
+25.00 - Slender Man Nemesis Expansion
+15.00 - Allison the Twilight Knight
+00.00 - Green Knight Armor
+20.00 - Holiday White Speaker Nico
+15.00 - Messenger of Courage
+15.00 - Messenger of the First Story
+25.00 - Rawhide Dame (resin)
+29.00 - Flower Knight (resin)
+15.00 - Survivor Candy & Cola
+15.00 - Survivor Kara Black
$443 Total
Problem is that I'm pledged for $475. What should I spend my final 30 bucks on? Thoughts?
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
I'd try to find a way to take out $15 and get the sunstalker, 'cause I love that armor
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Post by: Buzzsaw
cincydooley wrote:
Kingdom Death Pledge Breakdown
129.00 - BF Survivor
+50.00 - Dung Beetle Knight Expansion (x2)
+30.00 - Dragon King Expansion
+15.00 - Flower Knight Expansion
+45.00 - Lantern Festival Expansion
+00.00 - Lion Knight Expanison
+00.00 - Man Hunter Nemesis Expansion
+25.00 - Slender Man Nemesis Expansion
+15.00 - Allison the Twilight Knight
+00.00 - Green Knight Armor
+20.00 - Holiday White Speaker Nico
+15.00 - Messenger of Courage
+15.00 - Messenger of the First Story
+25.00 - Rawhide Dame (resin)
+29.00 - Flower Knight (resin)
+15.00 - Survivor Candy & Cola
+15.00 - Survivor Kara Black
$443 Total
Problem is that I'm pledged for $475. What should I spend my final 30 bucks on? Thoughts?
Maybe drop a pin-up down to plastic and pick up Spidicules? ($40) Or The Lonely tree ($30)?
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Post by: cincydooley
Sorta thinking the same.
Also... That's 89 minis. Zoinks. Automatically Appended Next Post: The resin flower knight is for a buddy. I could just get him the plastic one and then toss in the Sunstalker. That could certainly work. Automatically Appended Next Post: Also...I'm thinking of simply selling my extra Phoenix and watcher. Anyone else thinking of doing that?
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Post by: Dentry
cincydooley wrote:
Also...I'm thinking of simply selling my extra Phoenix and watcher. Anyone else thinking of doing that?
Planning on selling my extra Phoenix. Watchers are all mine!
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Post by: Breotan
cincydooley wrote:
Kingdom Death Pledge Breakdown
129.00 - BF Survivor
Problem is that I'm pledged for $475. What should I spend my final 30 bucks on? Thoughts?
Verify that you pledged at this Survivor level. There were several of these at different dollar amounts.
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Post by: Avariel
All I know is Kingdom Death better be a good game. I spend more on Kingdom Death then I did on Zombicide and Sedition Wars combined. Zombicide was a huge hit with my board game group. Verdict is still out on Sedition Wars since haven't received it yet.
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Post by: Schmapdi
 Avariel wrote:All I know is Kingdom Death better be a good game. I spend more on Kingdom Death then I did on Zombicide and Sedition Wars combined. Zombicide was a huge hit with my board game group. Verdict is still out on Sedition Wars since haven't received it yet.
That's what did me in. I finally snagged a BF survivor yesterday but ended up backing out of it with 2-3 hours to go. I realized late last night that it wasn't sitting well with me spending 400+ on a game (and expansions for it) that I knew I'd never play.
Watching the second video with it's estimate of 2-3 hours a turn, and 15-20 turns per game. It's not something I even have any hope of ever getting anyone to do with me. I think it was watching the Rivet Wars gameplay video where they play a whole game in ~45 mins (while stopping to explain a lot). "That's something I have a chance of getting someone to try," I thought.
So I ended up dropping from $431 to 200 something and just choosing from among my favorite models/exclusives.
Though in the last few hours it went up close enough to 300 that I just pledged $300 to get the freebies to sell. (Damn you lonely tree!)
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Post by: primalexile
cincydooley wrote:
Sorta thinking the same.
Also... That's 89 minis. Zoinks.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
The resin flower knight is for a buddy. I could just get him the plastic one and then toss in the Sunstalker. That could certainly work.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Also...I'm thinking of simply selling my extra Phoenix and watcher. Anyone else thinking of doing that?
My phoenix, watcher, twilight knight, snow the savior and white speaker are all going for sale. I am only after things that actually are useful in the game.
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Post by: cincydooley
 Breotan wrote: cincydooley wrote:
Kingdom Death Pledge Breakdown
129.00 - BF Survivor
Problem is that I'm pledged for $475. What should I spend my final 30 bucks on? Thoughts?
Verify that you pledged at this Survivor level. There were several of these at different dollar amounts.
Yup. I did. :-).
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
cincydooley wrote:
Also...I'm thinking of simply selling my extra Phoenix and watcher. Anyone else thinking of doing that?
For how much?
Anyway, someone had to keep down the average pledge.
$61
I got 5 King's Men and the Dragon King expansion (since it was only slightly more than the armor), both because the models remind me of Wayne Barlowe's artwork. Also, I guess I'm getting a couple of freebies, which is nice.
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Post by: Schmapdi
primalexile wrote:[
My phoenix, watcher, twilight knight, snow the savior and white speaker are all going for sale. I am only after things that actually are useful in the game.
I thought he said that the Savior did have an in-game use? Something about survivors having a small chance to being born a savior, which had special powers.
Plus the Twilight Knight and White Speaker might not have a use for Kingdom Death: Monster, but what about Kingdom Death: Hero? I'd hang on to them just in case.
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Post by: Fafnir
Especially since they're such amazing miniatures. Seriously, the Twilight Knight is by far one of my favourite miniatures to paint, and is absolutely beautiful.
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Post by: Zweischneid
Well, I got a bit of of cold feet on the game in the end, and the Survivor add-ons remained (to me) a bit lackluster compared to other offers, even at my initial 130,- BF. So I decided to give the game itself a pass till I see some reviews.
1. Resin Explorer (70,-)
2. Intl. Shipping (25,-)
3. 9x Resin Pin-up (225,-)
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Total Pledge: 320,-
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Post by: grefven
1. Survivor+ shipping - 176
2. All pin-ups in resin - 275
3. All promos - 180
4. The watcher in resin - 35
5. Sunstalker, Dragon King, Spidicules, Lantern Festival - 160
6. Undecided extra - 100
Total - $926
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Post by: Herzlos
Avariel wrote:All I know is Kingdom Death better be a good game. I spend more on Kingdom Death then I did on Zombicide and Sedition Wars combined. Zombicide was a huge hit with my board game group. Verdict is still out on Sedition Wars since haven't received it yet.
Zombicide is a great game and I wish I'd got in on the kickstarter :(
For this, I dropped my pledge at the $1.8M mark as I only really wanted one limited edition and was buying the rest just because they were limited, and was put off by the shipping. Had I been about when the white speaker was added I'd probably have re-pledged. Ah well.
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Post by: Fafnir
Well, the point is that even if you don't like the game itself, you'll have a pretty large collection of absolutely spectacular minis to use for whatever else might spark your interest.
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Post by: Stranger83
 Zweischneid wrote:Well, I got a bit of of cold feet on the game in the end, and the Survivor add-ons remained (to me) a bit lackluster compared to other offers, even at my initial 130,- BF. So I decided to give the game itself a pass till I see some reviews.
1. Resin Explorer (70,-)
2. Intl. Shipping (25,-)
3. 9x Resin Pin-up (225,-)
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Total Pledge: 320,-
You are aware that international shipping is $45 dollars right? (Or $30 to Canada)
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Post by: Zweischneid
Stranger83 wrote: Zweischneid wrote:Well, I got a bit of of cold feet on the game in the end, and the Survivor add-ons remained (to me) a bit lackluster compared to other offers, even at my initial 130,- BF. So I decided to give the game itself a pass till I see some reviews.
1. Resin Explorer (70,-)
2. Intl. Shipping (25,-)
3. 9x Resin Pin-up (225,-)
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Total Pledge: 320,-
You are aware that international shipping is $45 dollars right? (Or $30 to Canada)
Not for the Resin Explorer pledge. If it is, I'll re-allocate or save it all by getting it shipped to a U.S. Address. But check the "below-Game" pledges on the Kickstarter or the Death-Toll. They are lower.
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Post by: Stranger83
Ah yes, so it is - somehow I completely missed that.
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Post by: KoganStyle
As a long time KD fan I'm not overly bothered if my gaming group doesn't like the game, I get nearly 100 KD minis to paint, model and be grossed out by! Heres my miniatures budget blown for about 6months
129.00 - BF Survivor
+25.00 - Dung Beetle Knight Expansion
+30.00 - Dragon King Expansion
+15.00 - Flower Knight Expansion
+45.00 - Lantern Festival Expansion
+00.00 - Lion Knight Expansion
+00.00 - Man Hunter Nemesis Expansion
+25.00 - Slender Man Nemesis Expansion
+40.00 - Gorm Expansion
+40.00 - Spidicules Expansion
+15.00 - Allison the Twilight Knight
+00.00 - Green Knight Armor
+15.00 - Messenger of Humanity
+15.00 - Messenger of the spiral path
+45.00 - Int'l shipping
$464 Total
I originally wasn't going to go with Gorm or Dung, but the Green Knight armour persuaded me to go for them (I don't like the Dung Bettle knight, but the ball is cool!). Still debating on what else I could change them for - I don't like the Sunstalker so that's out, any ideas? I dropped the bases too since hopefully they will be on sale normally via KD website later on.
for nearly 100 minis I think my pledge works out around £3 a model - £3 for a KD model, hells yes!
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Post by: Alpharius
That was one hell of a final day!
Hard to believe that some relatively obscure Anime inspired character models could whip everyone into a frenzy, but apparently they helped!
Of course, the Lonely Tree and Slender Man had a bit to do with it too.
I'm excited to get this game and dive in, and to see where this successful launch takes the KD game going forward.
The potential for expansions is almost limitless, as is the potential for other games set in the same world!
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Post by: RiTides
That is a great cost-per-model, KoganStyle, assuming he can deliver on the material. I really hope these models don't look like Zombiecide's! What people are expecting (and paying for) is far, far better.
Also, I put the money I would have pledged into a current game ( DzC) and a soon-to-be-purchased airbrush with my several months of hobby budget, as you mention! I have a pile to paint already and don't need a large number of new minis for a board game (not much of a board gamer) unless they could be used for some other skirmish game, which these couldn't be for me. Automatically Appended Next Post: What's also crazy, Alph, is that I think the "final day" on kicktraq was actually only like 18 hours?
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Post by: Fafnir
Alpharius wrote:
Hard to believe that some relatively obscure Anime inspired character models could whip everyone into a frenzy, but apparently they helped!
In all fairness, niche anime/manga tends to to be fairly close to RPGs and miniature gaming as far as commonly regarded 'nerdy' pass-times are concerned. Especially something like Berserk, which is somewhat iconic amoung the medium.
What's more, Chrono Trigger has one hell of a reputation as far as classic videogames are concerned. I didn't have the good sense to be born in time to appreciate the era of the Super Nintendo, but for those who managed to, Chrono Trigger was probably one of their very first, and most impacting RPGs. And I don't think I even need to make a proper statement to account for The Legend of Zelda.
The potential for expansions is almost limitless, as is the potential for other games set in the same world!
Hell, I'd argue that there's also the possibility for a lot of homebrew. The rules for monsters look like they're a solid framework to fit just about anything in. Imagine if KD were to start a community page where users could create and share their own custom monsters/expansions built on the KD:M ruleset? Hell, they could even take the best ones and turn them into official expansions.
On other note, with the Kickstarter good and most certainly done, what will happen to Kingdom Death between now and November? Will Poots and crew lay low for the better part of the year, while putting all the pieces together, or will they continue to release new models in their original line of miniatures throughout the year? I really do hope for the latter to be possible, even if at a slower pace.
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Post by: RiTides
Homebrew monsters is a cool idea, but I doubt Adam would take the ideas onboard- he's got a very specific vision for his world, I think (although clearly willing to diverge a bit for promo / $$$-making figures ).
But for "canon" I don't see him taking fan monsters, but as a "living-rulebook-esque" idea (a la the old Bloodbowl rules) I think that'd be awesome. Possibly cheaper, too
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Post by: JudgeShamgar
Fafnir wrote:
What's more, Chrono Trigger has one hell of a reputation as far as classic videogames are concerned. I didn't have the good sense to be born in time to appreciate the era of the Super Nintendo, but for those who managed to, Chrono Trigger was probably one of their very first, and most impacting RPGs. And I don't think I even need to make a proper statement to account for The Legend of Zelda.
This-100% this. I'm not shocked to see a Chrono Trigger shout out here. Much like KD if you don't set up within the first 10 game minutes a specific event then half way through the game.....
It feels like KD and how it plays.
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Post by: Fafnir
Well, using making anything from fan expansions canon is obviously one hell of a stretch, especially with Adam keeping a firm grasp on the integrity of his world (which is something I admire, and hope to do with my future works). But I'd still like to see a homebrew community develop, this game looks to have some serious potential for it.
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Post by: Alpharius
Spot on Fafnir!
And due to the overwhelming success of this Kickstarter, I think Adam and Co. will actually be spending most of their time trying to deliver everything from this project.
He's got high quality standards, which is good for all of us of course, but which may make even hitting that November ship date a challenge!
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Post by: grefven
Fafnir wrote:On other note, with the Kickstarter good and most certainly done, what will happen to Kingdom Death between now and November? Will Poots and crew lay low for the better part of the year, while putting all the pieces together, or will they continue to release new models in their original line of miniatures throughout the year? I really do hope for the latter to be possible, even if at a slower pace.
I asked him this question, and he said that most of the work will go to finalize the game, the partners and taking care of KS business. But he said that his intentions are to still continue to produce and release a few miniatures between now and "November". Honestly, releasing miniatures in his world shouldn't be too difficult, not considering the amazing talent he has got working with him (Allan Carrasco, Thomas David, etc.). He could easily give them quite the freedom and they'd nail it. Of course, he doesn't really need to do it, but there will be a huge market from between now and November for his range. He could easily make a lot of more money by re-stocking, re-selling and getting new miniatures out there. But, again, I think that he will be more than occupied with the fullfillment of his KS (and possibly getting ready to start his "Heroes" game).
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Post by: cincydooley
RiTides wrote:That is a great cost-per-model, KoganStyle, assuming he can deliver on the material. I really hope these models don't look like Zombiecide's! What people are expecting (and paying for) is far, far better.
Hey now, let's give Zombiecide it's due. For a straight boardgame (which is what it is) I think it's miniatures are perhaps best in industry. One could make the argument for something like Super Dungeon Explore or perhaps even Gears of War, but as traditional board games with miniatures goes, Zombiecides are quite nice.
I don't expect that we'll be disappointed as long as they get the correct plastic to cast in. I have a feeling Mr. Poots will be doing some talking with the McVey's and SodaPop about this, and I bet we'll get a better feeling for what these new plastics can do once all of us get our grubby little paws on Sedition Wars over the next week or so.
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Post by: Bulkoth
I had to bite on this, all the giant awesome monsters and Cooperative gameplay! I picked up a BF1 survivor and all the expansions and some messengers, but even if the gameplay ends up being less than ideal I'm sure with the heavy discount Adam gave us I could easily get my money back with fee-bay .
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Post by: Alpharius
Maybe yes, maybe no!
If the game is a bust (and I do NOT think it will be), there are some 4000+ copies of the stuff due to be released into the wild at some point!
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Post by: Bulkoth
The only way I see it not being in impossibly high demand is if Adam can't work out a good plastic solution and the minis are sub par. I don't think that will happen, I doubled my money when I decided Zombicide was not for me. The ability to play this with 1-6 players and allowing survivors to drop in and out of a settlement without hurting the others makes it alot easier to organize and with all the expansions a VERY long campaign is feasible.
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Post by: Hulksmash
I was going to go in for over $300 myself till I realized I wasn't going to be able to get anyone locally to play this and that I wasn't even sure the gameplay was for me. So I dropped to about half that and wound up with a total of 13 miniatures that should be gorgeous. But honestly it was Kara and Guts who pushed me over the line even that far. Though both twilight knights and the white speaker look amazing.
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Post by: Bulkoth
Hulk, one of the things I liked about the base game is that you can play a settlement solo and it seemed like a good time. I am a little worried the game might suffer from Arkham Horror syndrome wiht 3 phases and tons of cards for each phase and resources and equipment etc I hope Adam takes some time to consider how the box will be used after all the minis are unpacked.
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Post by: Sirius42
So I've currently only gone in for the models (kara, beyond the wall and the twilight knights) as I was not sure about the game but loved the sculpts, now here's the thing, the more I reAd the more I think actually I could be willing to blow a lot of cash on this. Do you think there will be the option to up pledges through a pledge manager in a few weeks time (a la sedition wars)?
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Post by: Alfndrate
 Sirius42 wrote:So I've currently only gone in for the models (kara, beyond the wall and the twilight knights) as I was not sure about the game but loved the sculpts, now here's the thing, the more I reAd the more I think actually I could be willing to blow a lot of cash on this. Do you think there will be the option to up pledges through a pledge manager in a few weeks time (a la sedition wars)?
Believe it's been said before, but I could be wrong. I believe Adam said no upping pledges after the KS ends.
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Post by: Bulkoth
Sirius42, sadly it has already been confirmed there will NOT be an option to add funds after the Kick Starter. You could probably move $155 of your options to get a survivor pledge. Most of the pinups and resin minis will be on general release later and the pinups discount is much less than the game and expansions.
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Post by: Sirius42
Oh we'll never mind, to be honest by the time I found out about this (2-3 days ago) the Ks site was so full of stuff that I barely knew which way was up, it became very confusing. I might send them an email and try to sort it out that way. Thanks for the info.
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Post by: Alfndrate
Sirius42 wrote:Oh we'll never mind, to be honest by the time I found out about this (2-3 days ago) the Ks site was so full of stuff that I barely knew which way was up, it became very confusing. I might send them an email and try to sort it out that way. Thanks for the info.
I hear ya on that, I saw it about 10 pages back when someone said it, this thread moved very fast.
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Post by: Bulkoth
Sirius, yea, Kingdom Death being a 1 man operation really made organization very rough but I think he did his best and the community had some tools around to help figure out pledge values. The game will be available at a later date and so will the expansions. You'd just have to wait for after the Kick Starter fulfillment, which you'd have to sort of wait for either way. Can't hurt to send Adam an email to see, and maybe watch Ebay if that doesn't work.
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Post by: spears
Due to the herald rewards i would expect to see a lot of kd stuff go straight on ebay once it arrives.
My pledge came to 205 so i added a second game box to hit herald whilst taking some of the sting out of the price, id be suprised if others havent done the same. I may change the sceond game to some limited edition stuff if it sounds like there is more demand for that.
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Post by: cincydooley
 Bulkoth wrote:Hulk, one of the things I liked about the base game is that you can play a settlement solo and it seemed like a good time. I am a little worried the game might suffer from Arkham Horror syndrome wiht 3 phases and tons of cards for each phase and resources and equipment etc I hope Adam takes some time to consider how the box will be used after all the minis are unpacked.
Right with you here. I don't expect my wife to have much interest in this, but I actually like doing some solo boardgaming here and there. Relieves the stress on my eyes of videogaming, for sure but it also had that tactile aspect that seems to be getting further lost. We're humans. We like to touch stuff and move stuff around and investigate stuff. I've had a lot of fun playing D-Day Dice solo recently, so I'm all in for this a solo game.
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Post by: Sirius42
So I've emailed Adam, guess we shall see.
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Post by: Bulkoth
Let us know how it goes, might help some others. I'm hoping Adam is able to keep up the excellent updates we've been getting so we have something every week or two to get excited about.
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Post by: cincydooley
I just wanted to say that, for as whiny and critical as we can be here at Dakka, I just went and browsed the Forums at BGG and man....we can't hold a candle to those folks. Yikes.
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Post by: Absolutionis
cincydooley wrote:I just wanted to say that, for as whiny and critical as we can be here at Dakka, I just went and browsed the Forums at BGG and man....we can't hold a candle to those folks. Yikes.
Dakka's primary concern is usually the miniatures and the aesthetics of the pieces rather than the gameplay (after all, look at how many 40k players exist).
BGG's main concern is the gameplay, and there haven't been many gameplay videos highlighting exactly and specifically what the rules are.
Thankfully, my interests align with Dakka. Even if the game is mediocre, I'll have tons of pretty miniatures.
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Post by: Catyrpelius
cincydooley wrote:I just wanted to say that, for as whiny and critical as we can be here at Dakka, I just went and browsed the Forums at BGG and man....we can't hold a candle to those folks. Yikes.
The difference between BGG and DakkaDakka is that BGG was mainly concerned with actual gameplay while DakkaDakka is more concerened with the models.
In the end I think it was a combination of BGG and my overall mehness about the models that made me drop my pledge. I do have to admit though I do seem to be in the vast minority when I say the models didn't do much for me.
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Post by: primalexile
Schmapdi wrote:primalexile wrote:[
My phoenix, watcher, twilight knight, snow the savior and white speaker are all going for sale. I am only after things that actually are useful in the game.
I thought he said that the Savior did have an in-game use? Something about survivors having a small chance to being born a savior, which had special powers.
Plus the Twilight Knight and White Speaker might not have a use for Kingdom Death: Monster, but what about Kingdom Death: Hero? I'd hang on to them just in case.
Kingdom Death: Hero is a very long way out I will cross that bridge when we get to it. I have read a bit on kingdomdeath.com where he has descriptions about the Hero's and their abilities and it may be a game I actually sit out on. I love the idea of Survival Horror the hero aspect removes the bottom of the food chain idea.
Alas I have very little interest in pin up models and the savior is a model I just do not like at all. With all of the extra armor kits and heads I will make my own Savior if I ever get one for my settlement.
The Twilight Knight is cool looking but not something I would ever display in my case or have commissioned to be painted so it will go up for sale. (Most likely I will try to trade them to reduce the cost of hiring a commission painter) If I do sell them all funds will go toward having someone paint everything else.
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Post by: silent25
Only went for the "Options Only". The game was not grabbing me and wasn't crazy about the Phoenix.
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Post by: Bulkoth
I agree that not all the minis were spot on my style. I love some of them like Dragon King, King's Hand, etc, I nearly didn't buy Gorm because I really am not a fan but I'm primarily a gamer even tho I enoy painting etc so I'm banking on the gameplay being solid but like it's been stated BGG is trying to discuss a small amount of info to extrapolate balance, it just can't work.
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Post by: Catyrpelius
Bulkoth wrote:I agree that not all the minis were spot on my style. I love some of them like Dragon King, King's Hand, etc, I nearly didn't buy Gorm because I really am not a fan but I'm primarily a gamer even tho I enoy painting etc so I'm banking on the gameplay being solid but like it's been stated BGG is trying to discuss a small amount of info to extrapolate balance, it just can't work.
BGG raised alot of good concerns over gameplay though, enough for me to rethink my pledge.
What got me was him repeatedly talking about protecting IP... You can't trademark/copyright/anything game mechanics, so why not share the rules.
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Post by: Bulkoth
That is a little odd but what incentive do people have to buy the game if they can grab the rules online and play with their own minis without buying in. I mean with 11+ months until release of the game another company could easily rush developement on a knockoff and beat him to market.
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Post by: Catyrpelius
Bulkoth wrote:That is a little odd but what incentive do people have to buy the game if they can grab the rules online and play with their own minis without buying in. I mean with 11+ months until release of the game another company could easily rush developement on a knockoff and beat him to market.
They still could, there isn't much he can protect other then actual art...
If this wasn't the case then every board game company wouldn't have a deck builder.
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Post by: cincydooley
If I had a few guesses:
1. He doesn't have the rules in a "presentable" format. He probably has them in a word file or something like that and, in order to make them look appropriate for distribution, there's probably some work to be done on them
2. The rules sound like they're still in a relatively alpha format. And with the game 11 months away, I think thats perfectly reasonable.
3. I don't think his concerns are in complete regard to the game mechanics, but making sure the other IP related issues are ironed out before he gives anything out elsewhere. Perhaps he even has concern that he may have something that has IP implications. Just speculation, but that portion doesn't concern me at all.
4. The BGG crowd isn't talking about playtesting, testing groups, etc, because they're being altruistic. They're talking about it because they want in on it. Let's not get that twisted.
5. For many of the BGG folks, they've got huge concerns about any kind of miniatures at all. These are the same folks that, IIRC, complained heartily because they had to glue the Battles of Westeros models into their bases. Attaching an arm to something is far beyond the scope of some of them, and I'd wager many that are interested in the game only would prefer if there were just cardboard tokens.
Regardless, the sense of entitlement there is quite substantial . Makes us look like an easy to please crowd.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Bulkoth wrote:That is a little odd but what incentive do people have to buy the game if they can grab the rules online and play with their own minis without buying in. I mean with 11+ months until release of the game another company could easily rush developement on a knockoff and beat him to market.
In bullet point form:
• they believe the author(s)/etc. deserve support (in fact, many models work around this model, for instance, many webcomics, Infinity (skirmish), and Dominion (cards))
• they enjoy the aesthetics (for instance, the Malifaux rules are available for free in a truncated form missing the art)
• they enjoy background (typically stripped from rules only versions)
• the bought form is more convenient (esp. in card and counter-heavy games)
• they like the models (aesthetic and/or execution)-- Malifaux has actually released an official and free Vassal module for their game, so they seem pretty confident about it
• if all they wanted were the game mechanics, there are a ton of video/computer games that probably do something relatively similar to this, but much more flexibly and efficiently (this was what initially made me hesitate to back, before I was sold on the minis)
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Post by: JudgeShamgar
 Catyrpelius wrote: Bulkoth wrote:I agree that not all the minis were spot on my style. I love some of them like Dragon King, King's Hand, etc, I nearly didn't buy Gorm because I really am not a fan but I'm primarily a gamer even tho I enoy painting etc so I'm banking on the gameplay being solid but like it's been stated BGG is trying to discuss a small amount of info to extrapolate balance, it just can't work.
BGG raised alot of good concerns over gameplay though, enough for me to rethink my pledge.
What got me was him repeatedly talking about protecting IP... You can't trademark/copyright/anything game mechanics, so why not share the rules.
I think it odd that you and I had the exact opposite reaction to the BBG forums on this game. I read all of the info in these two links and it sold me on both the gameplay and and how expandable the game is meant to be. I love the liquid/organic aspect to the battles and story. Strange, just strange.
http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/905034/kingdom-death-rules-compilation
http://www.scribd.com/doc/118387274/Kingdom-Death-Monster-Notes
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
Bulkoth wrote:That is a little odd but what incentive do people have to buy the game if they can grab the rules online and play with their own minis without buying in. I mean with 11+ months until release of the game another company could easily rush developement on a knockoff and beat him to market.
On the other hand, Mantic's Dreadball did release the rules early, and it hasn't caused any lack of interest as far as I can tell. Possibly the opposite.
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Post by: Alfndrate
 BobtheInquisitor wrote: Bulkoth wrote:That is a little odd but what incentive do people have to buy the game if they can grab the rules online and play with their own minis without buying in. I mean with 11+ months until release of the game another company could easily rush developement on a knockoff and beat him to market.
On the other hand, Mantic's Dreadball did release the rules early, and it hasn't caused any lack of interest as far as I can tell. Possibly the opposite.
For curiosity's sake, what was the turn around time between when Mantic released their rules early, and when backers got their games? Alternatively, when was dreadball released in comparison to when the rules were released early. I don't doubt that Mantic has been drumming up interest that way, On the Lamb is going the same with Endless, to the point that by the time the rewards have been sent out, backers will have a complete pdf ruleset (of course this was part of the reward levels). But I think the important thing to note about KD:M is that this is almost a year away... someone could easily "scoop" Poots on a similar ruleset and release something earlier.
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Post by: Cyporiean
 Alfndrate wrote:
For curiosity's sake, what was the turn around time between when Mantic released their rules early, and when backers got their games? Alternatively, when was dreadball released in comparison to when the rules were released early. I don't doubt that Mantic has been drumming up interest that way, On the Lamb is going the same with Endless, to the point that by the time the rewards have been sent out, backers will have a complete pdf ruleset (of course this was part of the reward levels). But I think the important thing to note about KD:M is that this is almost a year away... someone could easily "scoop" Poots on a similar ruleset and release something earlier.
Dreadball's rules were out during the Kickstarter, and the games shipped about 2 months later.
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Post by: Alfndrate
 Cyporiean wrote: Alfndrate wrote:
For curiosity's sake, what was the turn around time between when Mantic released their rules early, and when backers got their games? Alternatively, when was dreadball released in comparison to when the rules were released early. I don't doubt that Mantic has been drumming up interest that way, On the Lamb is going the same with Endless, to the point that by the time the rewards have been sent out, backers will have a complete pdf ruleset (of course this was part of the reward levels). But I think the important thing to note about KD:M is that this is almost a year away... someone could easily "scoop" Poots on a similar ruleset and release something earlier.
Dreadball's rules were out during the Kickstarter, and the games shipped about 2 months later.
Okay, didn't think it was that long of a time period. far less time for someone to "copy" the rules and release it as their own thing with tweaks of course. I don't see this happening to Adam, but a year is a long time.
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Post by: Alpharius
I'd put the chances of someone designing up a co- op RPG-lite game AND producing miniatures on par with what KD has (and presumably will) produce at... as close to zero with out actually being zero.
Because, I suppose, you never know!
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Post by: spears
Alpharius wrote:I'd put the chances of someone designing up a co- op RPG-lite game AND producing miniatures on par with what KD has (and presumably will) produce at... as close to zero with out actually being zero.
Because, I suppose, you never know!
The posts over on bgg highlight that the quality of the miniatures is less of a concern for some, im suprised at how many people appeared to be turned off by the fact you have to build them yourself.
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Post by: cincydooley
 spears wrote: Alpharius wrote:I'd put the chances of someone designing up a co- op RPG-lite game AND producing miniatures on par with what KD has (and presumably will) produce at... as close to zero with out actually being zero.
Because, I suppose, you never know!
The posts over on bgg highlight that the quality of the miniatures is less of a concern for some, im suprised at how many people appeared to be turned off by the fact you have to build them yourself.
Like I said, troll the forums for Battles of Westeros and you'll see the same complaining about putting a mini on a base.
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Post by: Bulkoth
I am ok with the game not being done since it's a complete package and he started out going "i need 11 months to get this out the door" the goal of a KS tends to be to fund the making of something, I'm less a fan of it being used entirely as a preorder platform.
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Post by: Rogue Wolves
discovered this game 2 days ago, looked at all the art i could, read all the text i could, watched the gameplay videos 12 times over, even planned out in which order i plan to buy the expansions me and my gaming group are excited for this one!
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Post by: Breotan
What did you pledge at?
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Post by: Rogue Wolves
Just last weekend I spent all my mini budget at GW biggest mistake of my life
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Post by: LordRogalDorn
My only concern for the game play is how scalable it is for different numbers of players. He said it would be 1-4 players, I just hope that it is not too steep of a challenge with less players.
I still pledged for 365, got most of the expansions and two of the messengers, so I'm in this one, just hoping that me and my girlfriend can play this one alone if we need to =)
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Post by: kaiohx
Yea I'd love to get in on this, I just wasn't able to during the KS (backed another instead with most of my $). That and to be honest, the stretch goals never got updated often on the front page, so it was like 5 hours left before I actually clicked on the Updates section and saw all the other stuff. I may have been swayed if I had a bit more time to figure it out. I guess it's my fault.
Oh well, the vast majority of it will be in stores at some point so I'm not too worried.
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Post by: Bulkoth
Actually the game is 1-6 players, and I think at 1 and 2 players you'd control more than one survivor each.
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Post by: Dentry
Bulkoth wrote:Actually the game is 1-6 players, and I think at 1 and 2 players you'd control more than one survivor each.
That's what I'm planning.
Part of my trepidation was curbed by the ability to play solo. Ideally, I'd be playing with at least one other person but that won't always be feasible so I'll probably end up playing by myself some nights.
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Post by: primalexile
If you missed something or did not add up your totals right there is good news. This has been posted by Adam.
"I am figuring out an ideal way for people whom made mistakes and other special circumstances to fix their pledge total. I will not be taking on any new "late to the party go-ers". Im sorry, gotta take care of everyone that was here first. So to anyone that asks, or ended up with xyz problem, it will be addressed when the time is right. Just relax for now, hehe."
He also mentioned that he may have upwards of 400k of the money going directly to shipping.... If this is true ouch!
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Post by: Breotan
Did Adam ever mention when he expected to have the pledge surveys sent out?
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Post by: Makaleth
ok, the messages from Adam on Kickstarter are as follows.
Link: http://www.kickstarter.com/profile/poots/comments
Just a quick update : 1 - I should have access to the money in about 3 weeks. Right now its im magical amazon / kickstarter land. 2 - I'll be mostly off this week, resting up. ( i got sick on the final day! ;_; ) 3 - As progress is made I'll be keeping everyone updated. First thing on my list is some nice shots of the dung beetle knight that's sitting unassembled on my desk! 4 - i <3 you all!
Jan. 10, 2013 on Kingdom Death : Monster.
@Kineticmedic , i have no idea what your talking about. Official Forums - not yet, anna might be joining the project full time now that it can afford her. she is a badass backend developer so we might maybe do something custom to KDM, but i need time to think about it. Shipping - this is easily 400k in shipping fees. how much does that suck eh? sick - yeah i was pushing myself pretty hard, thankfully i avoided getting really sick so far, sheer will / luck i think!
Jan. 10, 2013 on Kingdom Death : Monster.
I am figuring out an ideal way for people whom made mistakes and other special circumstances to fix their pledge total. I will not be taking on any new "late to the party go-ers". Im sorry, gotta take care of everyone that was here first. So to anyone that asks, or ended up with xyz problem, it will be addressed when the time is right. Just relax for now, hehe.
Jan. 10, 2013 on Kingdom Death : Monster.
@Ryan Thompson, dunno yet. i wont have a firm date / availability of anything kickstarted until were pretty close to backer fulfillment. i most likley wont be posting details until after that is over. i honestly see no benefit in rushing this to the market place, we kickstarted this together and thus we will be the first to receive it. i don't want to dilute the backer experience or add the complications that establishing distro / retail arrangements during these final creation and production phases. essentially : backers come first. the rest of the world sits on the side for now.
Jan. 10, 2013 on Kingdom Death : Monster.
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Post by: Sirius42
Lets hope he does find a solution, I've re-checked my pledge and have'nt even got minis it turns out I've only paid for international shipping, which aside from making me feel like a pillock is also a giant waste of money, so I hope Adam comes through, im sure he will.
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Post by: redstripe
] Catyrpelius wrote:
What got me was him repeatedly talking about protecting IP... You can't trademark/copyright/anything game mechanics, so why not share the rules.
You certainly can Patent game mechanics (or attempt to.) At least you can in the U.S. Game mechanics are Intellectual Property in the same way characters, lyrics, or Coke's secret formula are.
Famously, Magic: the Gathering patented several game mechanics, including "tapping" cards. This patent forced games like Legend of the Five Rings to call card toggling "bowing" the card. There was a rumor at the time that even this required a licensing fee from Wizards of the Coast.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tap_%28gaming%29
http://www.google.com/patents?vid=5662332
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Post by: plastictrees
So, that averages out at $74 in shipping per backer. Presumably that includes materials etc. as well. That's probably....pretty accurate actually, ouch.
I snuck back in on the last day with a sad little pledge to get the exclusive survivors and a few of the semi-exclusives. Which actually makes this the worst mini/$ KS I've backed so far.
Looking forward to seeing where Adam takes this whole thing.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Yes it's easy to forget about the packing materials,
as if you're clever you can always scrounge up enough cardboard/bubble wrap/packing peanuts to wrap anything you want to post
but scrounging up enough stuff for 5000+ packages, nope that's not going to work
(Hope Adam can arrange a bulk discount!)
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:Yes it's easy to forget about the packing materials,
as if you're clever you can always scrounge up enough cardboard/bubble wrap/packing peanuts to wrap anything you want to post
but scrounging up enough stuff for 5000+ packages, nope that's not going to work
(Hope Adam can arrange a bulk discount!)
Well, USPS flat rates (which probably make the most sense, esp. given slightly varying weights on thousands of packages) have free packaging (rather, it's included in the cost of shipping)
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Post by: Cyporiean
 spiralingcadaver wrote: OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:Yes it's easy to forget about the packing materials,
as if you're clever you can always scrounge up enough cardboard/bubble wrap/packing peanuts to wrap anything you want to post
but scrounging up enough stuff for 5000+ packages, nope that's not going to work
(Hope Adam can arrange a bulk discount!)
Well, USPS flat rates (which probably make the most sense, esp. given slightly varying weights on thousands of packages) have free packaging (rather, it's included in the cost of shipping)
Its doubtful that even the Large USPS flat rate is going to be able to hold most of the pledges, as something like SDE/Dreadball would not fit into one of those boxes.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Oh, hadn't thought of how large those boxes could be. Good point.
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Post by: BrookM
And to think, $45 in shipping is in no way going to cover all the stuff (ALL THE EVERYTHING!) we ordered.. 
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Post by: silent25
And another Kickstarter takes a club to the head with shipping. Had heard a few months ago Reaper was hoping they would break even with their KS due to shipping.
You would think Poots would be ready for this. Especially since he is working with CMoN.
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Post by: plastictrees
I think he was ready for it. He seems to have been talking in pretty realistic terms about his expenses etc. from the beginning. Even his delivery date suggests a certain amount of caution.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
I don't think it's a surprise to him,
he was just pointing out quite how scarily fast the KS money will vanish when he gets it
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Post by: RichS
Throughout the KS Adam has seemed to have a very good hold on funds. He certainly isn't expecting to get rich from this, in fact I think I remember an early post (maybe the KS page?) saying he hoped to be able to pay himself basic wage! Either way with so many backers and so many products to produce I can't imagine the net profit will be more than a few percent.
I would be interested in seeing a total breakdown from a miniatures kickstarter though, just to see how much we (backers) underestimate costs.
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Post by: silent25
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:I don't think it's a surprise to him,
he was just pointing out quite how scarily fast the KS money will vanish when he gets it
That is good, and you are right, it shows how fast money gets eaten up with things people don't consider. But that won't stop people from complaining about how the KS is being run a few months ago and how come that can't do X, Y, and Z since they got all that money.
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Post by: Cyporiean
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:I don't think it's a surprise to him,
he was just pointing out quite how scarily fast the KS money will vanish when he gets it
I can easily testify to how quickly the funds get used up.
Continued sales of Brushfire will be covering the shipping for Endless.
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Post by: Rogue Wolves
 redstripe wrote: Catyrpelius wrote:
What got me was him repeatedly talking about protecting IP... You can't trademark/copyright/anything game mechanics, so why not share the rules.
You certainly can Patent game mechanics (or attempt to.) At least you can in the U.S. Game mechanics are Intellectual Property in the same way characters, lyrics, or Coke's secret formula are.
Famously, Magic: the Gathering patented several game mechanics, including "tapping" cards. This patent forced games like Legend of the Five Rings to call card toggling "bowing" the card. There was a rumor at the time that even this required a licensing fee from Wizards of the Coast.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tap_%28gaming%29
http://www.google.com/patents?vid=5662332
I dont want him to share the rules, if it was just a board game or a card game i'd like a look, but this boardgame/ rpg hybrid i only want to see it in its final packaging so as not to spoil the fun early using fake models and fake cards ect ect
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
Alpharius wrote:I'd put the chances of someone designing up a co- op RPG-lite game AND producing miniatures on par with what KD has (and presumably will) produce at... as close to zero with out actually being zero.
Because, I suppose, you never know!
Is co-opting board games by a few months really a "thing"?
Is scooping the rules alone even a thing?
I wonder why know one has published "Buy property and scream at each other", "roll dice for your asterisk armies" or "Put 4 tokens in a row" and made millions hundreds. I can't imagine "Miskatonic Terror" or "Going down (into the dungeon)" selling well without the accompanying artwork or models.
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Post by: Bulkoth
I would suspect that Part of that crazy shipping bill is also shipping the products from the factory to the assembly facility and then on to the USA and elsewhere.
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Post by: RiTides
It won't cost that much to Ship. But if he's counting materials, or paying someone to pack the boxes, of course it can add up. Good thing he raised 2 million, eh
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Post by: Breotan
If he can keep the form factor down so it fits into the standard USPS Priority Mail flat rate box, he can save quite a bit on packaging & shipping.
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Post by: Rogue Wolves
I had to do it... except I dont want you to shut up... Make More Videos and Take My Money!
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
Nicely done. It seems to sum up the KDM KS fairly well.
Although it could use more tentacle wang.
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Post by: DustGod
I know Adam Poots isn't getting rich from this.... the average Joe has no idea about all the hidden cost .... like how much those pin-ups from Lokmanlam cost, even fonts cost... if the 3D Artist used certain programs You need to pay a licensing fee (usually once) , I mean all this stuff adds up...
Its funny how people are.... Mr. Poots is giving the fans /backers one helleva awesome deal. Tons of minis....
I think people expect too much. The saving grace for Mr.Poots is now he has a little breathing room and a nice starting lineup for a very expandable system. Any one thinking he's walking away a millionaire is an idiot. He'll be able to get his company up n running to a higher degree and support himself while he does it. But this thing didn't make him rich... I love how some folks think everything is free... or the have some twisted idea of how things work in the real world.
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Post by: Krinsath
 5deadly wrote:I know Adam Poots isn't getting rich from this.... the average Joe has no idea about all the hidden cost .... like how much those pin-ups from Lokmanlam cost, even fonts cost... if the 3D Artist used certain programs You need to pay a licensing fee (usually once) , I mean all this stuff adds up...
Its funny how people are.... Mr. Poots is giving the fans /backers one helleva awesome deal. Tons of minis....
I think people expect too much. The saving grace for Mr.Poots is now he has a little breathing room and a nice starting lineup for a very expandable system. Any one thinking he's walking away a millionaire is an idiot. He'll be able to get his company up n running to a higher degree and support himself while he does it. But this thing didn't make him rich... I love how some folks think everything is free... or the have some twisted idea of how things work in the real world.
Yes, people hear something costs X amount to make in materials and want it sold at that price, nevermind design, warehousing, accounting, shipping, etc that makes it cost much more.
Adam will likely be a millionaire at some point though. If he can sell 4000 copies of a game (conservative estimate) sight unseen, imagine what he'll be able to move once the product is on the shelves...
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Post by: Bulkoth
Breotan wrote:If he can keep the form factor down so it fits into the standard USPS Priority Mail flat rate box, he can save quite a bit on packaging & shipping.
There is just NO way that is gonna happen between the extra freebies he tossed in, all the plastic etc in the base box, and the fact that the average pledge being over $300 means that the average pledger spent over $150 on extras, these boxes are going to be all over the map size wise.
Adam said during the KS that he HOPES when it's all said and done he can pay himself minimum wage for the >3 years he will have worked on KS by the time it ships. at 7.25 in NY that is not a large amount of profit, but I agree with Krinsath in as much as Adam might have problems keeping this game in stock after it's out in the market.
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Post by: cincydooley
Agreed with Bulkoth. I just can't see any possible way this thing is fitting in the largest of the Priority Mail Flate rates. The largest flat rate box is 12" x 12" x 5 1/2" on the inside. For comparison purposes, the box for Super Dungeon Explore is 13 x 4 x 13 inches and the box for Zombiecide is 12.2 x 12.2 x 4.2 inches. Simply put, I just dont think its happening.
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Post by: rpgplayer88
Reaper pricing from their KS and China price used by CMON has made the miniature section from KS goes by the inception of being more funds = should give freebies.
It's a terrible norm people if backers expect those to be happen. Adam doesn't have diversification of miniature business like how Reaper and CMON does, so he should be charging a higher price to compensate with the factor of risk involved with his business.
Though even I have a greedy side to expect more free stuff, I would rather pay a bit of premium if it's going to extend the survivability of top quality producing miniatures like KD. Remember how hobbyist cried when Rackham died? It will be a sad thing, at least I know I would.
The problem for dealing this would be transparency on the allocation of funds being used. This would give an insight to backers things are not as beautiful as they thought.
Adam mentioned that he would share the total shipping fee and how much he ate the prices for backers. If he could do that, it would be a changing start in miniature section of KS
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Post by: Alpharius
With some 5000 (give or take) box games + extras to ship, I think he's got options in terms of working with UPS or USPS or etc. in order to negotiate a reduced shipping rate in return for giving them that much volume.
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Post by: rpgplayer88
I'm not sure USPS would consider if it's only a one time deal, usually business do a long term contract for such incentives. Who knows, but I hope he could get it.
Another possibilities that CMON being kind enough to offer a helping hand on that. It's would be a great PR for them to help an indie company.
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Post by: Bulkoth
According to USPS' website you start to qualify for Business mail/Bulk mail at 200 First classpackages or 500 Standard packages.
Either way I would bet if he took a quote from USPS and one from UPS to each other they'd try to make a better deal for him.
He has talked about using CMON for fulfillment but isn't far enough in the process to make any of that solid.
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Post by: cincydooley
I mean, I'd personally be fine if Adam simply partnered with CMON to do the shipping, fulfillment, and even utilize the CKPM. Their CKPM is fantastic, works well, and is easy to navigate.
I know there are others that are less excited about that prospect, but I'm all about it.
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Post by: Bulkoth
Luckily for us cincy Adam doesnt seem to care what others think and is running his business how he feels best. As can be seen in alot of the minis, even the non pinup ones have some stuff that others are less than excited about.
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Post by: cincydooley
Bulkoth wrote:Luckily for us cincy Adam doesnt seem to care what others think and is running his business how he feels best. As can be seen in alot of the minis, even the non pinup ones have some stuff that others are less than excited about.
Right on. I think logisically working with CMON just "makes sense." Utilize their infrastructure and their shipping discounts, etc. I have confidence this will be handled with the utmost professionalism, so I'm not really concerned.
On the box: I'm guessing it'll be pretty similar in size to the new FFG boxes, around 13 x 13 x 6. Pretty standard board game size.
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Post by: Alpharius
If someone ordered all of the game expansions, I don't know if they'd all fit in that box with the 'original game' + various pinups and what-nots!
Partnering up with CMON for order fulfillment is sounding a bit better all the time...
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Post by: cincydooley
Alpharius wrote:If someone ordered all of the game expansions, I don't know if they'd all fit in that box with the 'original game' + various pinups and what-nots!
Partnering up with CMON for order fulfillment is sounding a bit better all the time...
No kidding. I imagine everyone that is all in for every expansion (this is not me) is going to be looking at a 15-20lb box that takes up some serious real estate.
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Post by: Bulkoth
I wonder when BF is gonna get in the mix because I doubt all those assembled minis are going back in that box.
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Post by: Lt. Coldfire
I got all the expansions + some extras and I look forward to receiving a box of mammoth proportions. I will approve.
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Post by: Bulkoth
I did the same Lt Coldfire, adding Slenderman and that Tree on the last day made me cut alot of the options I was planning tho.
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Post by: Nephilem
I'm missing out on a few expansions, and I'd love to have gotten the tree, but it just wasn't in the budget right now. Still, I'll likely put more money down after the fact when it's released.
To sidetrack the current conversation and since my search skills are naff, do we know when we'll get the survey for our options? Will that be closer to full release?
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
My guess is the Survey will come out pretty soon after Adam gets the money and our email addresses etc
Since his production runs are going to be pretty much stuffed it'll be important for him to know how much of each thing to have cast or printed so stuff can be scheduled efficiently
since it takes about 3 weeks now for Amazon/KS to do their bit i'd anticipate the survey 3-4 weeks after the KS ended,
and (again a guess) Adam will probably want it in reletively fast so 2-4 weeks to complete it?
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Post by: lucasbuffalo
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:My guess is the Survey will come out pretty soon after Adam gets the money and our email addresses etc
Since his production runs are going to be pretty much stuffed it'll be important for him to know how much of each thing to have cast or printed so stuff can be scheduled efficiently
since it takes about 3 weeks now for Amazon/ KS to do their bit i'd anticipate the survey 3-4 weeks after the KS ended,
and (again a guess) Adam will probably want it in reletively fast so 2-4 weeks to complete it?
He also might be waiting to get an official "what there is" picture together as last I looked there was only a fan one.
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Post by: BrookM
Didn't he want to wait until he had production nailed down and running before sending out the surveys?
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Post by: Alpharius
 BrookM wrote:Didn't he want to wait until he had production nailed down and running before sending out the surveys?
I don't know, did he?
Seems to me that he might want to know how many of each thing (roughly) he needed before making them, especially given his recently stated intentions to fulfill all backers orders first before even thinking about retail releases.
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Post by: JudgeShamgar
Alpharius wrote: BrookM wrote:Didn't he want to wait until he had production nailed down and running before sending out the surveys?
I don't know, did he?
Seems to me that he might want to know how many of each thing (roughly) he needed before making them, especially given his recently stated intentions to fulfill all backers orders first before even thinking about retail releases.
He could just jack up production knowing he will have to fulfill all the Kickstarters and fill all the retail boxes, and his website. Not to mention people who didn't get the expansions who might buy them later at a retail outlet.
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Post by: Alpharius
He could do that, sure.
Only, he already said that's not what he's doing!
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Post by: BrookM
Indeed, nothing goes on sale until all pledges have been fulfilled.
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Post by: JudgeShamgar
I meant that he could just start producing the models he knows will be in the retail box set and fulfill the Kickstarter pledges with them and if there are extras made they would then go into a retail box for sale after the Kickstarter pledges are shipped. So all the armors in the box set, the survivors, and the monsters could be in production now with any that don't go into Kickstarter boxes put into retail packages.
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Post by: Sirius42
I hope the sorts out the mistakes fix soon, the suspense is killing me. I just want to get it all sorted out so I can forget about this Ks until the shiny toys show up
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Post by: Breotan
Sirius42 wrote:I just want to get it all sorted out so I can forget about this Ks until the shiny toys show up
Is it November yet?
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Post by: Sirius42
Not yet, but soon I hear, rumor has it march is the new November . Back ot, in reference to my previous post, I know Adam has said he will sort out issues such as order mistakes when the time is right, but has he put any kind of timescale to that?
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Post by: Dentry
Went through my calculations for the first time today since KD:M kickstarter ended. Saw that I made a mistake and underpledged for my desired rewards. Wept.
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Post by: DustGod
Patience....
this was a huge task for him. Give the guy a chance to breathe.
You know.... the economics analysis that takes place in this hobby is astounding. I've never in any other Hobby-mind you Hobby- see so much of this sort of thing....
People worried about shipping cost.... wanting to know what his costs are and this wanting transparency of his business arrangements..... that's 100% none of our business .... only mini war gamers are like this. That poor guys kickstarter just ended.... here come the worry warts, nit pickers and nay sayers ..
I said it after zombicide and ill say it again if you pledged just wait.... he'll get it all worked out.... he was clever enough to gain your confidence to give him your money 10 months ahead of time... I'm sure he's confident enough to handle the rest. I'm sure you'll be able to fix mistakes upgrade your pledge etc... I'm sure he can figure out shipping.
I'm also sure its not my business how he spends my 155.00 as long as I get what's promised. The audacity of some people in this hobby is worthy of ridicule.
Pledge and be patient or get an ulcer doing math problems hitting the fed ex site for rates sweating the algorithm of it all for 10 months. It's not one person either just a general thing I see over n over. Zombicide, Sedition wars, now Monster. Maybe I'm just too suave to fret like a teenage girl. Stay cool fellas. By Halloween you'll be up to your nipples in tentacle horror oddness and monster hunter-esque armor and weapons.
I Love all of you. I just want my fellow gamers to let their inner snoop dog come out instead of Sheldon
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Post by: Breotan
5deadly wrote:...he was clever enough to gain your confidence to give him your money 10 months ahead of time... I'm sure he's confident enough to handle the rest. I'm sure you'll be able to fix mistakes upgrade your pledge etc... I'm sure he can figure out shipping.
We don't lack confidence. We're just eager to get our pledge info sorted out so we can forget about this until November. After Poots gets those pledge forms done, he's basically done with us until he is ready to ship something.
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Post by: Sirius42
Exactly this, we want the forms so we can get it signed sealed and set, those of us with mistakes want to get it all ironed out then, then everyone knows what they're getting and the waiting can begin. (Incidentally in my specific case I've just found out that I could be offshore for upto a month starting next Friday with no internet, so I'd like to have it sorted before I go)
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Post by: Still Standing
Just got a Forsaker Pinup to add to my Beyond the Wall. I foresee myself spending a LOT of money on the pinups before I get the actual game...
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Post by: DustGod
Oh I understand wanting to fill out the order forms A.S.A.P. but give the guy time to catch his breath is what I'm saying on that topic. We all work... this guy did a bang up job on the KS over the holidays both of em'.... and the forms.... I understand but other things people mention its like "Why you wanna know?"
Let us all see your paycheck stubs n bill recipients first..... then you can peek at my business arrangements., that is if you don't mind showing the world you personal assets info first.
Give him 2 weeks to get a rest n get it airtight. I'm sure it'll be here soon enough....
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I'm wondering who ill get to play that'll stay for the long haul of a campaign.... man that system Seems deep...
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Post by: RiTides
Best to try to forget about this for a while guys . You've got a long wait ahead of you...
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Post by: rpgplayer88
He's finding a possible way to make an amendment options for those who underpledge or those having a special case unable to go through with their cc. Though he does not guarantee it.
So I think the forms won't be out until he had sort those out.
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Post by: NoseGoblin
Having run one, I can tell you that you may be in for a bit of a wait? Of course my experience may not be typical but there are steps to the process... For the next week or two Amazon Payment will be chasing down the backers that had problems with their charges going through. Adam will have a tough time until he has a firm list of those backers who cannot fulfill their pledge for whatever reason.
If he has a pledge manager pre built, there will still need to be last minuet coding to add any late changes to the KS offerings, then he will need to test the pledge manager, then a full release to the backers. How long this takes depends on his relationship with CMON, If they are giving him a hand with the survey and lending their manpower and expertise then thing may get rolling a little faster.
All I am saying is that you need to be patient, If his hurdles are anything like mine it will take about a month after the KS close to wrap all that up.
Cheer everyone and congrats on a great KS!
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Post by: Still Standing
Are there any other websites that stock Kingdom Death miniatures, or just the official site and CMON?
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Post by: Absolutionis
 Still Standing wrote:Are there any other websites that stock Kingdom Death miniatures, or just the official site and CMON?
Officially, it's just those two.
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Post by: Mahrdol
I am pretty sure Adam said he is taking a week off to recoup from the end of the KS and he got a cold or something.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Still Standing wrote:Are there any other websites that stock Kingdom Death miniatures, or just the official site and CMON?
http://fullmetalplanet.biz/shop/kingdom_death/kingdom_death.html
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Post by: Dentry
rpgplayer88 wrote:He's finding a possible way to make an amendment options for those who underpledge or those having a special case unable to go through with their cc. Though he does not guarantee it.
So I think the forms won't be out until he had sort those out.
That'd be neat.
Seen some on e-bay a few times and there's a significant mark up. Reminds me of ticket scalping.
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Post by: lucasbuffalo
Pretty sure he's gonna sleep for a week before getting going...
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Post by: BrookM
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/poots/kingdom-death-monster/posts/385349?ref=activity
Since the kickstarter has ended, I have pretty much been sleeping!
The campaign experience was intense.
Amazon is collecting all the funds from the backers and then will transfer it to me. From what I know, the process takes about 2 weeks and then another week to transfer the funds to a bank account where I can finally have access to it. The 3 week holding pattern seems a little punishing... but I am actually a little bit thankful! It's allowed for some much needed rest and to start making plans / lining up schedules before everything explodes into insanity again.
Before I go any further, I am giving a quick shout on behalf of Carlos B. Garcia. He is a close personal friend of Juan Navarro Perez whom has been a fantastic part of the Kingdom Death Sculpting Team. Juan is responsible for the Lion Knight & Court and I am super excited to continue our partnership.
Anima : Gate of Memories - 18 hours left!
if your interested in a game based in the Anima world now would be a great time to jump on board! I've backed them up and I am excited to see what they can produce with the funds they've raised. It makes me happy to see our little miniature game community attempting new projects.
Anyway!
A lot of people have been asking all sorts of questions in regards to the pledge manager, here is some official information :
Pledge Manager
We will collect information on your shipping details and rewards in the later this year. It will be at a time that is most convienent for us and allow everyone some time to finalize everything before a certain cut off date so we can ensure the production of units and eventually fulfillment.
There will be a way for to handle / accommodate special circumstance cases in regards to their pledge total. However at this time I do not know if we will be allowing pledge total modification for everyone. It's honestly a huge logistical pain and would require us to build a pretty comprehensive piece of software in order to handle everything.
Please... please do not write me to explain the pro's and con's of allowing general pledge modification. I beg of you! lol
I do apologize that this wasn't a very exciting update. I mostly just wanted to reach out and say thank you one last time.
Because now all the work begins!
Oh, last minute update: Jon-Troy has sent me some nice renders of the Lioness, ( the lion armor pinup ) and I thought I would share them with you.
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Post by: RiTides
Well, what can you say really? Survey will go out late in the year "at a time that is most convenient" to them, and he's still hedging his bets about whether or not he'll let "everyone" adjust their pledge totals. And apparently he's been sleeping for a week
Better email yourself what you were planning to get, you'll never remember a half year from now!
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Post by: cincydooley
That digital sculpt of the primal huntress looks fantastic.
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Post by: Makaleth
RiTides wrote:Well, what can you say really? Survey will go out late in the year "at a time that is most convenient" to them, and he's still hedging his bets about whether or not he'll let "everyone" adjust their pledge totals. And apparently he's been sleeping for a week
Better email yourself what you were planning to get, you'll never remember a half year from now!
How hard is it to remember one of everything! ;-)
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Post by: kilcin
RiTides wrote:Well, what can you say really? Survey will go out late in the year "at a time that is most convenient" to them, and he's still hedging his bets about whether or not he'll let "everyone" adjust their pledge totals. And apparently he's been sleeping for a week
Better email yourself what you were planning to get, you'll never remember a half year from now!
Or bookmark the Death toll for your list; it has a save feature now so you can save your exact setup. Jamie (the one that did Death Toll) is awesome.
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Post by: Dentry
Indeed. The actual resin model shown in Update 15 is none too shabby either.
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Post by: Breotan
kilcin wrote: RiTides wrote:Well, what can you say really? Survey will go out late in the year "at a time that is most convenient" to them, and he's still hedging his bets about whether or not he'll let "everyone" adjust their pledge totals. And apparently he's been sleeping for a week
Better email yourself what you were planning to get, you'll never remember a half year from now!
Or bookmark the Death toll for your list; it has a save feature now so you can save your exact setup. Jamie (the one that did Death Toll) is awesome.
I just put everything down in Notepad, copied it all to an email, and put that email into my KD folder where it will sit until needed.
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