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Post by: Alpharius
Homemade Excel spreadsheet emailed to self and moved to a custom folder here! 
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Post by: -Loki-
Am I the only one who gets a kick out of seeing the original goal?
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Post by: Makaleth
No, and Adam had no idea if the $30k goal was going to be met until about 30 seconds into the KS... I was like the 10th person to pledge and I was about 10 seconds after the KS opened up 
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Post by: kilcin
I have mine saved in Google Docs...
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Post by: Dentry
I have the spreadsheet but haven't bothered to save it with my order on it. Maybe I should consider it.
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Post by: Still Standing
Adam has said he will potentially allow backers to adjust their pledge given special circumstances. I am incredibly eager to change my pledge due to currently being in a war zone and being unable to log in to the KS for the last few days of the campaign. How high do you (Dakkarians) rate my chances of upping my pledge from $525 to $1025 to include everything?
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Quite a big jump, but then you've got a good solid reason.
Contact Adam via the KS and plead your case, as the sooner you ask the longer he's got to think about it
(my guess would be that he probably will IF he can figure out a way to do it easily)
his real issue seems to be having to 'tie' the separate sums of money together, as any added complexity in shipping will be what will kill him (find package for joeblow 42 & add a tiwlight witch x5000+ is going to eat loads of time)
I'd suggest offering to pay for the 'extra' as a separate order if it made it easier for him. This would cost you extra shipping but make it much easier for him to deal with (and so more likely that he would say yes)
good luck
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Post by: Ghiest1
I had a problem as well, I went in for the options only and then never got to get back on to decide upon them due to a hospital visit.
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Post by: KoganStyle
Good luck with the e-mail, you have a very good reason to be allowed a change.
re: the logistics of the orders - would Adam have to allocate KS some of these extra funds? Seems like a good way to get round the KS tithe otherwise, maybe that's why he is against it. I imgain CMON can easily work out percentages via the pledge manager, but as Poots is a one-man band it must be more difficult.
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Post by: Breotan
 Dentry wrote:I have the spreadsheet but haven't bothered to save it with my order on it. Maybe I should consider it.
You think? 
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Post by: Guildsman
Finalized at $325, which was a hell of a lot more than I originally planned, but for such beautiful/scary models, it was more than worth it. With the Herald bonuses, it comes to:
Survivor package
Flower Knight
Dragon King
The Lantern Festival
Spidicules
Lion Knight
Manhunter
Green Knight Armor
Slender Man
Which leaves an extra $15, which was originally allocated for the Messenger of Humanity. Now, I'm not so sure. Bouncing between him, gender-bender Link, Survivor Kara, and TwiKnight Allison. Guess I've got plenty of time to decide.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Ignoring all of the 'inspired by' I'd go for Allison as based on the art shown she looks the best....
but as I'd into sedition wars I'd really choose Kara
but as you say plenty of time to decide
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Post by: Sirius42
While its nice that its been confirmed that Adam will allow those of us that screwed up to amend our pledges, what I wouldn't give for a time-scale (which I realise is probably asking a lot at this stage).
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Post by: Dentry
 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:his real issue seems to be having to 'tie' the separate sums of money together, as any added complexity in shipping will be what will kill him (find package for joeblow 42 & add a tiwlight witch x5000+ is going to eat loads of time)
I'd suggest offering to pay for the 'extra' as a separate order if it made it easier for him. This would cost you extra shipping but make it much easier for him to deal with (and so more likely that he would say yes)
good luck
 KoganStyle wrote:I imgain CMON can easily work out percentages via the pledge manager, but as Poots is a one-man band it must be more difficult.
This is the perplexing part. Adam seems to have a good relationship with CMON - at least from the little we know - so one would think they'd be available as a resource for post-kickstarter pledge management / adjustment.
Is CMON asking a cut to use their CKPM? Does Adam want to do everything in-house (make his own pledge manager)? Is there some kind of huge irreconcilable (cost-inefficient) incompatibility between their software and Adam's?
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Post by: Micky
Really keen to get the response survey thing where we pick our options. During the course of the kickstarter I totally lost count of the offerings and my mind changed about what I wanted from day to day, eventually just stopped contributing because I wanted to wait and see.
In the end will have $315 to play with, which has to include postage to Australia, but at this stage have no idea what to select.
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Post by: Still Standing
CMON has a few Pinups in stock again. Get em before they sell out again.
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Post by: Dentry
Too late for me. Mostly out of stock again and I missed the small window of opportunity.
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Post by: Still Standing
I got lucky and ordered Savior and a female Big Game Hunter pinups. That's four I have now (when the rest arrive).  Automatically Appended Next Post: I got lucky and ordered Savior and a female Big Game Hunter pinups. That's four I have now (when the rest arrive).
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Post by: Alpharius
Anyone know where to find a picture of the Lantern Festival Girl pinup without the "Achieved!!" banner across it?
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Post by: Dentry
You could crop the image posted for the Lantern Festival expansion in Update 43.
Other than that, I wouldn't be able to suggest anything. Not in Lokmanlam's DeviantArt or official web pages.
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Post by: Mahrdol
Thomas David updated his blog
some very nice pics of the rawhide armor kit. He said more will post more from other sets later.
http://art.thomasdavid.over-blog.com/article-kingdom-death-monster-rawhide-kit-114463658.html
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Post by: primalexile
These models are shaping up to be very high quality. After reading this it looks like a plastic rawhide dame is included in every armor kit.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Good spot
the more detail I see on the pinups the harder it will be to choose the few I can have when the pledge manager launches
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
primalexile wrote:
These models are shaping up to be very high quality. After reading this it looks like a plastic rawhide dame is included in every armor kit.
Yeah... I think that was a mistake from unclear wording: I think he was saying that each style of armor also has a pinup variant.
Also, really happy to see the quality of the sculpts--while that was a big chunk of cash, I'm feeling confident about having thrown that much in to it.
edit: brain glitch
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Post by: Mahrdol
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:Good spot
the more detail I see on the pinups the harder it will be to choose the few I can have when the pledge manager launches
The detail and the way the rawhide dame flows is really impressive. I know I will be getting all the Thomas David pin ups for sure.
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Post by: Dentry
Looking at the great sculpts, pinups and non-pinups alike, has me worried about gunking up the eyes. I may need to buy a smaller brush.
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Post by: Alpharius
Mahrdol wrote: OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:Good spot
the more detail I see on the pinups the harder it will be to choose the few I can have when the pledge manager launches
The detail and the way the rawhide dame flows is really impressive. I know I will be getting all the Thomas David pin ups for sure.
Do we know which ones he'll be doing?
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Post by: cincydooley
Don't we get double of the Rawhide kit too?
Just double checked and, yep, we do. Man, those are really, really nice looking.
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Post by: recruittons
Yup! Survivors get double rawhide, phoenix and lion armor kits
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
 Alpharius wrote:Mahrdol wrote: OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:Good spot
the more detail I see on the pinups the harder it will be to choose the few I can have when the pledge manager launches
The detail and the way the rawhide dame flows is really impressive. I know I will be getting all the Thomas David pin ups for sure.
Do we know which ones he'll be doing?
Adam typically listed who'd be sculpting (or had already sculpted) each thing
I shall rush off and 'waste' some time compliling a list 
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Post by: Alpharius
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: Alpharius wrote:Mahrdol wrote: OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:Good spot
the more detail I see on the pinups the harder it will be to choose the few I can have when the pledge manager launches
The detail and the way the rawhide dame flows is really impressive. I know I will be getting all the Thomas David pin ups for sure.
Do we know which ones he'll be doing?
Adam typically listed who'd be sculpting (or had already sculpted) each thing
I shall rush off and 'waste' some time compliling a list
Much appreciated!
This will certainly help me figure what to get - as I'll be wanting all of Mr. David's work!
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Right here's a list of sculptors/figures pulled off the updates
(you might be able to expand this by looking at the KD website and individual artists bolgs/deviant art site)
Edit: Expanded the Thomas David list with sculptors mentioned on the KD website
Lioness: John Troy Nich3l
Candy & Cola
Spidersilk Assasin
Sunstalker Dancer
Regeneration Suit: Fantastic Sculptor line up
Twilight Knight: Yannick Henebo (Thomas David did the sword on the TK)
Adam Explorer of Death
Anna Explorer of Death
Female Great Game Hunter
Primal Huntress: Hector Moran
Beyond the Wall
Paul the Survivor: Raul Garcia Lattorre
Leather Armour: Steffano @ Forge Studios
Lion God: Allan Carrasco
Dung Beetle Knight: Thomas David
The Watcher
Phoenix Dancer
Rawhide Dame
Kingsman
Aya the Survivor
Flower Knight
Kings Hand
Phoenix: Jacques-Alexandre Gillois
The Scribe
Lion Knight & Court: Juan Navarro Perez
Great Game Hunter, Male: Edgar Skomorowski
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Post by: DaveC
I know it's really too early but I was ordering more card sleeves from Boardgameextras and they are now taking preorders for Swanpanasia 52mmx52mm (2"x2") card sleeves (due February) just in case anyone is looking for UK stockist for this card sleeve for the gear cards. I threw a pack in my order as they say they will be limited in number and £3 for 160 sleeves is good value - this all assumes that the gear cards will fit them but I'm not to out of pocket if they don't.
http://www.boardgameextras.co.uk/item.php?id=1986&name=Swan+Card+Sleeves:+52x52+mm+-160+per+pack&cat=291&sub_cat=172#.UPqlvWdECkw
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Good spot,
of cource if Adam changes the sizes it will be annoying, but worth a punt at that price
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Post by: Grot 6
Can someone post a comparison shot of the KD miniatures standing up next to figures from other lines?
I'm interested in picking up one for a test run, to see what they really look like, but am hesitating on them as having not really ever seen one before in real life.
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Post by: Buzzsaw
 Grot 6 wrote:Can someone post a comparison shot of the KD miniatures standing up next to figures from other lines?
I'm interested in picking up one for a test run, to see what they really look like, but am hesitating on them as having not really ever seen one before in real life.
Heh, this seems familiar...
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Post by: Makaleth
I will just note, WOW the ankles are thin... just got a couple pin-ups in the mail and they are perfect... but so much thinner joints due to the realism of the proportions.
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Post by: Dentry
Typed up a breakdown of the stretch goal intervals and corresponding rewards from the kickstarter for something I'm working on. Posting links to that information for anyone interested.
Google Doc (downloadable here)
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Post by: Breotan
 Makaleth wrote:I will just note, WOW the ankles are thin... just got a couple pin-ups in the mail and they are perfect... but so much thinner joints due to the realism of the proportions.
I noticed the same thing with the new Malifaux plastics. Fortunately both are made of sturdy enough material that it shouldn't be a problem. Unless you're really hamfisted with your toys.
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Post by: primalexile
Male armor set looks bad ass.
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Post by: cincydooley
I want to take Thomas David out to a nice steak dinner and never call him again. Well, not the second part. These look simply fantastic.
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Post by: BlueDagger
*Jaw hits the floor*
Reaaaaallly happy I got the full game now.
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Post by: grefven
Thomas David is really doing an awesome job on these ones. I just hope they will turn out good in plastics, too, and that they will keep all the sharp details.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Wow, those are looking great
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Post by: Buzzsaw
They do indeed!
Damn I'm happy to have thrown money at this.
Also, on BoLS there is a painting guide up for the Watcher;
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Post by: cincydooley
Man...that Phoenix pin up looks great too. I may be rethinking what I use my $$$ for.
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Post by: Makaleth
The phoenix armour looks phenomenal. NEVER going to regret this one. Everything that comes out screams perfection.
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Post by: Lt. Coldfire
Wow, those are crazy.
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Post by: Guildsman
I had forgotten how great the phoenix armor is. Every new picture reinforces my decision to buy in.
The paintjob on the watcher is excellent, but I'm not sold on the color choices he made. Not what I will be doing for mine.
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Post by: Sirius42
Those look really cool, might need to add the pin-up to my pledge if I can (nothings been said on this has it?). the basic phoenix kit comes in the starter set doesn't it? on the blog it says the minis are 35mm, but I'm sure the kickstarter said 28mm, which is it? (have I just mis-read it?).
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Post by: Buzzsaw
 Sirius42 wrote:Those look really cool, might need to add the pin-up to my pledge if I can (nothings been said on this has it?). the basic phoenix kit comes in the starter set doesn't it? on the blog it says the minis are 35mm, but I'm sure the kickstarter said 28mm, which is it? (have I just mis-read it?).
The Phoenix armor kits are included in the base game (after all, so is the Phoenix!). The base contents were (I think more has been added, but at least) the following;
EDIT: Yup, it looks like all of the armor kits listed below have been doubled over time, so the base game includes enough for 4 male, 4 females of each type.
Also, the miniatures are 35mm.
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Post by: Sirius42
 Buzzsaw wrote: Sirius42 wrote:Those look really cool, might need to add the pin-up to my pledge if I can (nothings been said on this has it?). the basic phoenix kit comes in the starter set doesn't it? on the blog it says the minis are 35mm, but I'm sure the kickstarter said 28mm, which is it? (have I just mis-read it?).
The Phoenix armor kits are included in the base game (after all, so is the Phoenix!). The base contents were (I think more has been added, but at least) the following;
EDIT: Yup, it looks like all of the armor kits listed below have been doubled over time, so the base game includes enough for 4 male, 4 females of each type.
Ah, brilliant, hadn't seen that, got to the kickstarter very late (and made a huge hashup of my pledge as a result, hoping for the ability to change it, emailed Adam about it). It got really overwhelming at the end trying to keep track of what was going on, however all the models so far are amazing, I might even get the phoenix pinup, not normally my thing but this one is so well done that I might break that trend.
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Post by: Absolutionis
When placed next to one another, the pinup Phoenix Armor model actually doesn't look too out-of-place. It's still exceptionally sexualized, but the proportions and armor look to fit with the theme of the more sensible armor kit models.
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Post by: Sinful Hero
For some reason, the Watcher and the Scribe just look like they would be a pain in the butt to put together.
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Post by: Duke Nuke Them
do we know when the emails are going out to us all so we can give our pledge lists to Adam? has there been any news about it?
thanks peoples 
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Post by: primalexile
Adam said they would go out later on in the year closer to shipping dates.
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Post by: Mahrdol
New update from KD KS
looks like some people will be very happy. You can add to your pledge.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/poots/kingdom-death-monster/posts/394446?ref=activity
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Post by: cincydooley
The Sunstalker dancer is just beautiful.
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Post by: IK-Painter
I hope Adam posts a revised funding stat, after the pledge manager goes live - would be interesting to see, if the possibility of adding to the pledge will be significant.
Cheers!
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Post by: Buzzsaw
What can I say but... Squee!
Sunstalker Miko Begins, Messenger of Courage Update and Some Gear Art!
Update #64 · Feb. 03, 2013 · 28 comments
First let me drop a real quick shout out to Rivet Wars, which is ending in the next 5 hours! I have backed the game as it has a lot of new ideas for the tabletop skirmish genre and I am excited to play it once its finally out!
Pledge Manager - First design pass complete, stay tuned for more information.
Stock of General Releases on KD Store - Still waiting on a shipment from the casting partner.
Messenger of Courage, work in progress :
Sunstalker Miko wire Armature :
Spider Silk Gear
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Post by: Sinful Hero
I'm liking the Messenger of Courage more now, and the Messenger of Humanity less after the computerized images...
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Post by: hellpato
Quick questions
Where and when I can buy the game
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Post by: Rainyday
A month ago on Kickstarter, OR 9 months in the future on the Kingdom Death website, but likely only if you're quick.
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Post by: Buzzsaw
Some new WIPs have surfaced on various artists' pages;
From HecM's deviantArt, White Lion armor kits (two male, two female on his page, as well as an unreleased concept for what I think became the pin-up preacher);
Lokman Lam has a finished version of the Twilight Witch art ( deviantArt);
Jon Troy Nickel shows off the nearly finished Spidersilk-Assassin;
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Post by: Fafnir
New update from Poots himself. There are a lot of really great images in the update, but I'll skip to the most surprising one, and let someone fill in the rest for now.
For those not in the know, KD had a failed kickstarter in the past for an iPhone game. Perhaps Poots is thinking of reviving that project. Which would be pretty damn cool, so long as it were also available on platforms outside of Apple.
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Post by: hellpato
Wow, everything is sold out... again.... is impossible to buy some minis....
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Post by: Alpharius
And that's a big part of why this Kickstarter was so successful - in many ways, it is the only way to get any of Adam's miniatures!
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Post by: zedmeister
Well, here's hoping that since backers can add more money, he'll allow stragglers who missed the boat or had to withdraw because of a lack of funds (ie me) to be able to joint the party late. I'm gutted I had to withdraw.
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Post by: cincydooley
So I got the email this morning for the Beta Pledge Manager.
I want to add money and confirm my order, but I'm having issues with the pledge manager correctly taking my address. It's very odd, as it's completely changing my street address and zip code.
However, with that being said the pledge manager looks very nice, so far. I'm not sure if you can add multiple of a single item (it doesn't appear so) but the PM is easy to use and well laid out.
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Post by: Alpharius
You're one of the Lucky Few that get to test it out - be sure to get your Bug Reports in quickly, for the benefit of us all!
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Post by: KoganStyle
I too got the beta, and like you I couldn't find the option to add multiples of any product! Well except adding another survivor boxed set.
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Post by: Alpharius
KoganStyle wrote:I too got the beta, and like you I couldn't find the option to add multiples of any product! Well except adding another survivor boxed set.
Make sure you let them know!
Found this one the KS comments page:
Rob Gan about 1 hour ago
My feedback for the Pledge Manager:
Hi Anna,
Thank you for sending me a request to be part of the initial run of the Pledge Manager Beta.
1. When clicking the ‘Check & Confirm Address’ it pops up with the message below:
The pink box only shows City and Country. Is this as designed? Should it show the whole address I have entered?
2. Allison the Twilight Knight Plastic is a Promo figure but appears in the Pinups section. Should appear in the Kickstarter Specials section along with the other Promo figures.
3. Typo on Regeneration Suit Resin:
4. Spider Silk Assassin Pinup Resin $25 is missing from the Resin section.
5. Twilight Witch Pinup Resin $25 is missing from the Resin section.
6. T-Shirt $25 is missing from the Kickstarter Specials section.
7. Beta Survivor Special Add On $100 is missing from the Kickstarter Specials section.
Generally it looks great, brings up your original Pledge total, shipping and Pledge option. And when you add more than your Pledge total is goes red and allows you to go to Paypal to add more. Awesome!
Don't know if that's the best place to post them, or if they've asked you to report them elsewhere...
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Post by: cincydooley
I don't know if I was really "asked" to point them anywhere; I simply sent them straight to Anna.
Like I said, overall it looks solid. I'm not super concerned about typos like he is, but more functionality. Now that I know I'm supposed to try and break it, I'll put on my product design/tester cap and go wreck it like Ralph.
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Post by: Makaleth
Yeah, I just did the pledge manager as well and sent my feedback to Anna from the KS message system.
Biggest issue, confirmation page and email only can fit a fixed amount (and as I ordered heaps... you cannot tell what you actually ordered or if it cut off).
Other than that (and the points above) and the really odd address issue... it's not bad.
Hopefully the bugs will be ironed out... wonder what the impact being in Beta will be (I am still proud to be the 3rd backer! )
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Post by: cincydooley
Yeah, my address still isn't updating correctly. Anna sent me an email saying she fixed it, so maybe I just have to wait for an update.
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In other news, I was able to snag some lineups in the KD restock.
I'm torn right now between getting resin pin ups or plastic ones from the KS. Anyone have thoughts on this?
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Post by: Alpharius
Depends on what you're getting them for!
Game with - plastic.
Collect/paint - resin.
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Post by: cincydooley
:-/. Based on that it seems like I should get them in resin. Humbug. I saw the comparison pics and, aside from being a bit smaller, the plastic one still had great detail. Obviously places it was lacking were in the face (doh) and the straps on her legs (less doh).
Decisions decisions.
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Post by: kingdomdeath
Heya guys!
Anna is still working out the kinks / bugs in the pledge manager. Thus far we have had a high % of confirmed rewards that have had no issues too!
Right now the pledge manager DOES let you add multiples of a single rewards. But perhaps this is my fault in interface design for not making it more clear. Right now you need to update the quantity box that sits next to each item in the cart view on the left of the screen.
I also want to apologize for not being able to keep the general releases in stock. I've got the caster pretty much maxed out, but we will continue to restock until we have met the demand. It's just not a fast process.
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Post by: Alpharius
Thanks for the update!
Needless to say, I'm eagerly awaiting my invitation to the Pledge Manager.
My initial investment was... quite large. I'm curious to see if I end up adding even more to it!
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Post by: cincydooley
Thanks for the update Adam and Anna!
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Post by: Breotan
I'm not having any luck with the pledge manager at all. Sending emails to Anna. Hopefully she can figure it out.
Okay. Apparently the issue is that the web site does not like IE9 at all. So, I went and got Firefox to test and it worked fine.
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Post by: Alpharius
I keep checking my email, hoping to have the link.
And I am forever let down! 
Soon, I hope!
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Post by: cincydooley
I am having some serious issues deciding what to get.
Someone remind me: all of the messengers are Kickstarter Only, correct? Or will they be available later on?
I'm having the damnedest time deciding on the Pin Ups I want as well. Which to get? Resin or Plastic? I'd wait, but I know later on they're going to be an absolute pain in the butt to get.
I need my dakka-pals to help me out here. Recommendations on which pin ups? Should I get the male messengers? AHHCKK!
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Post by: Alpharius
I can't remember if all of the 'specials' will be limited, but certainly some will be, so since I'll hopefully have to fill this thing out myself soon, without further ado, the research says:
And in doing so have unlocked the Messenger of Humanity, a promotional miniature that will only be available thru this kickstarter and future Kingdom Death special events!
We have unlocked the Messenger of The First Story, a promotional miniature that will only be available thru this kickstarter and future Kingdom Death special events!
Kara will be available through this kickstarter and in the future be available in a limited fashion for various promotions.
We have unlocked the Messenger of The Spiral Path, a promotional miniature that will only be available thru this kickstarter and future Kingdom Death special events!
We have unlocked the Messenger of Courage, a promotional miniature that will only be available thru this kickstarter and future Kingdom Death special events!
Survivor Candy & Cola is based on Soda Pop Miniature's Candy & Cola and she appears in both of their two games. ( Super Dungeon Explore and Relic Knights ) The Survivor version was designed by myself and Lokman and is being sculpted by a Kingdom Death sculptor. She will be available through this kickstarter and in the future be available in a limited fashion for various promotions.
I think that's all of the "Get them now or have a hard time getting them later - or pay a LOT of them if you even can!" miniatures.
I'd say get all of them, and then as for Pinups, well, whatever ones tickle you fancy, so to speak.
You've seen how hard it is to ever get anything from his webstore, so if there's something you really, really want - now's the time!
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Post by: cincydooley
Alpharius wrote:
You've seen how hard it is to ever get anything from his webstore, so if there's something you really, really want - now's the time!
This really sums up my anxiety. I don't want to have to fight to get anything later on.
Ugh. Never has it been so stressful picking out things I've already purchased.
This must be what my wife is like when she's buying jeans.
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Post by: Still Standing
How have people accesses the pledge manager? I can't seem to find anything from him in my email. Cheers.
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Post by: DaveC
 Still Standing wrote:How have people accesses the pledge manager? I can't seem to find anything from him in my email. Cheers.
Some backers were given access to the beta version of the pledge manager to test it it hasn't been released to all backers yet
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Post by: Makaleth
Yeah, the first version of the Beta was a little odd.
They just released a second version of it which was MUCH better.
Just finished it for myself. My credit card punched me afterwards... but it was worth it! I love the pin-ups, but in the end it was one of everything (except pin-ups) with the exception of the limited ones.
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Post by: Absolutionis
As a curiosity, will this new pledge manager allow for upping the pledge? Additionally, would an increased pledge qualify us as a Herald of Death?
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Post by: cincydooley
Yes to both.
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Post by: DaveC
Just got my beta pledge manager invite all filled in and finalised now. I ran into the Paypal on tablet issue so I had to swap to the laptop but otherwise easy enough to use and navigate. Now for the waiting.
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Post by: Makaleth
You can only add once to your pledge (or at the end, click start again and you can add more )
Once you have added (via paypal) you cannot un-add... so do this wisely...
So glad this is closed...
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Post by: Alpharius
 DaveC wrote:Just got my beta pledge manager invite all filled in and finalised now. I ran into the Paypal on tablet issue so I had to swap to the laptop but otherwise easy enough to use and navigate. Now for the waiting.
Got my invite too only to find out.... BLOCKED AT WORK!
Have to give it a whirl later on today at home.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Had my Beta pledge manager link
it now warns you what browsers are know to work (I used chrome) and what definatly does not (IE)
adding multiples works like Adam said, use the button to add one, then change the number in the list on the left if you want extras
Twilight Knight Alison (pinup reversal) is still hidden in the pinups section, so if you want all the KS specials you'll need to visit the pinup tab
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Post by: Alpharius
Completed the pledge manager and received my receipt - I'm good to go!
It ran nicely, and everything made sense and was easy to follow - thanks to everyone who beta tested it to this point and ironed out the kinks!
Now... the waiting continues!
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Post by: Fafnir
Will the pledge manager be run until the kickstarter ships? I don't know where I'll be living by the end of this year for a while, so I'd like to wait as long as I can before I update my info.
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Post by: Still Standing
I am moving house in a couple of months too, so I set the pledge manager to a family members house who won't be.
I just received the pledge manager and increased my pledge to... 1164 USD. :O
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Post by: LordRogalDorn
I just thought that I would throw in and say that the pledge manager is really easy to use and has a nice lay-out. Just finalized my order, and the waiting continues. =)
Really looking forward to when it ships.
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Post by: cincydooley
Still Standing wrote:I am moving house in a couple of months too, so I set the pledge manager to a family members house who won't be.
I just received the pledge manager and increased my pledge to... 1164 USD. :O
Sweet mother of God.
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Post by: Alpharius
Still Standing wrote:I am moving house in a couple of months too, so I set the pledge manager to a family members house who won't be.
I just received the pledge manager and increased my pledge to... 1164 USD. :O
And I thought I spent too much on this!
I did, of course, but then... so did you!
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Post by: Absolutionis
Just locked in my order and Herald of Death is indeed added once you exceed $300 on the Pledge Manager even if Kickstarter pledge was sub-300. It's very nice of this confirmation to appear electronically even before locking in the order.
Thank you kindly.
Wow. You are a true patron of the wargaming arts.
This alone makes me not feel guilty about giving Kingdom Death more of my money.
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Post by: cincydooley
So out of curiosity, what is everyone getting? I've yet to finalize mine because I'm waiting for my first resin pin ups to come in to decide if I should get resin or plastic.
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Post by: Still Standing
I have ordered this:
Pledge Total 1164
Pledge Reward Level Survivor
Herald of Death Gift
KD: Monster Tshirt l
Selected Options:
Twilight Knight Gift
White Speaker Gift
Flower Knight Expansion 1
Dragon King Expansion 1
Gorm Major Expansion (includes Regeneration Suit) 1
Dung Beetle Knight Expansion 1
Spidicules Major Expansion 1
Sunstalker Major Expansion 1
Lion God Expansion 1
The Lantern Festival Major Expansion 1
Slender Man Expansion 1
The Lonely Tree Expansion 1
Promo: Holiday White Speaker Nico 1
Promo: Kara Black 1
Promo: Candy and Cola 1
Messenger of Courage 1
Messenger of the Spiral Path 1
Messenger of Humanity 1
Messenger of the First Story 1
KD: Monster Custom Dice x5 1
Allison the Twilight Knight: Plastic 1
Adam and Anna Resin Collectors Edition 1
Leather Queen Resin 1
Rawhide Dame Resin 1
Lioness Resin 1
Phoenix Dancer Resin 1
Primal Huntress Resin 1
Dragon Sacrifice Resin 1
Regeneration Suit Resin 1
Sunstalker Dancer Resin 1
Aya the Survivor Resin 1
Paul the Survivor Resin 1
Illuminated Lady Resin 1
Lantern Festival Girl Resin 1
Silk Assassin Resin 1
Twilight Witch Resin 1
Stone Face Base Inserts x50 2
Flower Knight Resin 1
Only reason for the Flower Knight Resin on the end if because I accidentally clicked it when I was making my pledge... Oh well, it's a great model!
I am slowly collecting all of the resin Pinups too, have 7 of them so far.
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Post by: cincydooley
Do you happen to have any of th plastics the did previously? I'm really waffling on my resin v plastic pinups.
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Post by: Still Standing
I've not seen any plastics, however the Resins are amazing quality. I'm a big advocate of Forgeworld over Games Workshop for the quality of the resin vs plastic, and it seems to me that Poots is following the same trend.
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Post by: Makaleth
Wow, that is quite an order.
I ended up with
1) Herald of Death
2) ALL Expansions
3) ALL limited Edition models
2 of the Messenger of Humanity as a friend also wants one.
That was over $600! Almost $700
WOW! over $1000!! DARN RESIN!!!
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Post by: Absolutionis
Originally, I was:
Base Game
Dragon
Lantern Festival (King)
Spidicules
Sunstalker
But then I justified the addition of $55 for:
Flower Knight
Gorm
Herald of Death (Green Armor, Lion Knight, Manhunter).
That's basically every major and minor general release expansion aside from the Dung Beetle Knight and Lion God which really don't appeal to me at all. The Pinups are also not appealing in the slightest.
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Post by: RedSarge
Uh-oh, the pledge manager must have broke for me then.
I was sitting at 250, then added another 75 worth of stuff but only had to pay 10 dollars!>?
I know Canadian shipping is only 30 instead of 45, but that's still only 15 savings.... I think it broke and I won't get my expansions.
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Post by: Alpharius
Email Adam and Anna - I'm sure they can help you out!
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Post by: cincydooley
 Absolutionis wrote:Originally, I was:
Base Game
Dragon
Lantern Festival (King)
Spidicules
Sunstalker
But then I justified the addition of $55 for:
Flower Knight
Gorm
Herald of Death (Green Armor, Lion Knight, Manhunter).
That's basically every major and minor general release expansion aside from the Dung Beetle Knight and Lion God which really don't appeal to me at all. The Pinups are also not appealing in the slightest.
I'm waffling between the gorm and spidercules. I know my wife will HATE the spider model, but I like it more than gorm and like the armor sets better. However, the Gorm does come with that pin up..... Decisions decisions.
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Post by: BlueDagger
I stuck to my guns and only ordered what I originally planed. Game + Holiday model + Illuminated Lady.
BlueDagger's Willpower increased by 4!
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Post by: Victorraven
Pledge Reward Level The Game
Herald of Death Gift
Twilight Knight Gift
White Speaker Gift
Dragon King Expansion 1
Dung Beetle Knight Expansion 1
Spidicules Major Expansion 1
Sunstalker Major Expansion 1
The Lantern Festival Major Expansion 1
Flower Knight Expansion 1
Messenger of Humanity 1
I didn't get any resin just from a cost outlook, and honestly I'm sorta way more excited to play the game, the world just seems so interesting so got most of the major expansions . I agree that the pinups don't really interest me, but the explanation behind them are cool; to motivate the sculptors, and I'm sure the kick-starter wouldn't have done as well without them.
The only major expansion I didn't get is the Gorn, because even though the Regeneration suits looks like it might come out awesome, the current model for Gorn I just really don't like,.the baby mortif and silly hands.
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Post by: Alpharius
I too stayed away from resins - too much money for me, and I was already spending too much money.
Plus, on top of that, these will all be game pieces for me, so plastic wins out there as well...
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Post by: LordRogalDorn
Pledge Reward Level Survivor
Herald of Death Gift
Selected Options:
Twilight Knight Gift
White Speaker Gift
Flower Knight Expansion 1
Dragon King Expansion 1
Dung Beetle Knight Expansion 1
Spidicules Major Expansion 1
The Lantern Festival Major Expansion 1
Slender Man Expansion 1
Messenger of Courage 1
Messenger of Humanity 1
KD: Monster Custom Dice x5 1
I wanted to get all the major and minor game expansions, but money and girlfriend would not let me get the rest.
I wanted to get plastics because I want to play the game and not worry about breaking any of the slender pieces.
Also the dice look pretty cool, so I added them after the fact.
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Post by: cincydooley
I think you guys have sold me on getting the plastics. I'm pretty excited about the game myself, and if I decide I want a resin, I can always hold my breath to get one later.
Thanks everyone!
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Post by: Absolutionis
 cincydooley wrote:I'm waffling between the gorm and spidercules. I know my wife will HATE the spider model, but I like it more than gorm and like the armor sets better. However, the Gorm does come with that pin up..... Decisions decisions.
Spidicules, most definitely. I was torn on the Gorm myself until I literally needed $40 more to achieve Herald of Death.
Spidicules looks like a very unique kit with a rather cool theme.
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Post by: cincydooley
I still think Gorm looks like it's from Toy Story.
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Post by: Colfax
Has there been any word if Poots will put up the total raised after all the paypal increases from the pledge manager?
I added $85 my self to my total bringing it to $570 and from reading the messages from the KS page many people are adding quite a bit of money to their orders.
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Post by: Breotan
Doubtful. I don't know of any other KS projects that have done this.
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Post by: DaveC
Yeah I doubt he'd reveal that the whole pledge manager thing is a bit of a grey area anyway and I'm surprised kickstarter hasn't tried to stop it as they are losing their cut of the funds if they are added to a pledge manager later. I wonder if Adam announced that he'd made $100,000 extra through the pledge manager would kick starter have any claim to additional fees? The additional funds were raised as a direct result of the KS after all. Best not to reveal anything that way there is nothing to challenge.
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Post by: Barzam
So, is the pledge manager email supposed to be going out all week? I haven't received it yet and my brother just got his today.
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Post by: Alpharius
I think it is still in the 'testing' phase - but I also think it must be close because it worked well for me, and didn't seem to need much else, if anything.
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Post by: cincydooley
I think they've fixed most of the bugs. I wouldn't be surprised if they're simply trickling it out slowly so they can handle all of the requests and questions in an efficient manner.
I still haven't finalized yet. Because I'm lame. I'm waiting for the resins I ordered from the actual KD shop to come to decide how much I like the girls in resin...
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Post by: Alfndrate
Poots is using BackerKit right?
I did some testing for On the Lamb's Endless Kickstarter... just as a heads up, if you add things to your order, they don't take the money out for a few weeks (when they close the window to the pledge manager). Granted when I did it, it was only 10 dollars, but it was still a bit of a surprise.
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Post by: cincydooley
I honestly don't know. I know the GUI is really slick and quite easy to use. I'll screen shot it for you and then you can tell me
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Post by: Absolutionis
The GUI is slick and matches the KD site itself, but it's very slow to load and process. Not a big deal though, you're only going to use it once; it's nice.
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Post by: Alfndrate
cincydooley wrote:I honestly don't know. I know the GUI is really slick and quite easy to use. I'll screen shot it for you and then you can tell me
Sure
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Post by: Sasori
Just got done with the pledge manager. Was a quick, 5 minute process.
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Post by: Alfndrate
KD:M did not use backerkit, ignore my posts
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Post by: Alpharius
Will do!
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Post by: cincydooley
Already do
So is their's custom designed then?
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Post by: Alfndrate
*shrugs* don't know, didn't back this KS remember
Though I'm only slightly kicking myself for it... but I'd like to play the game before I really wind up and kick myself...
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Okay, so I've got
Survivor (+ gifts + herald of death)
flower knight, beetle knight
dragon king
sunstalker
lantern festival
spidicules
holiday white speaker
kara black
twilight knight*
messenger of courage*
beyond the wall
...which leaves $45
I'm willing to add a touch to that number, but not much. Thoughts on what I should get? (I'm considering getting a second flower knight to paint, and because it's the best discount, but not sure. Also, considering the thin man or lion king)
Also, the two marked with asterisks above I thought were promos, but the manager doesn't label them as such?
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Post by: cincydooley
If you decide you want in, I'll hold my pledge, since we're both in OH and it should be cheap to ship it up to you. Lemme know.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
 spiralingcadaver wrote:Okay, so I've got
...which leaves $45
I'm willing to add a touch to that number, but not much. Thoughts on what I should get? (I'm considering getting a second flower knight to paint, and because it's the best discount, but not sure. Also, considering the thin man or lion king)
Also, the two marked with asterisks above I thought were promos, but the manager doesn't label them as such?
What about Slenderman? He looks like he's going to be a really fun model to paint.
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Post by: BlueDagger
*regretting not throwing more at this* I hate internal conflict.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
cincydooley wrote:
What about Slenderman? He looks like he's going to be a really fun model to paint.
Yeah, that's what I'm leaning towards. Right now, though, that leaves me $5 under (or likely $10 over, after getting something else)
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Post by: Alfndrate
cincydooley wrote:If you decide you want in, I'll hold my pledge, since we're both in OH and it should be cheap to ship it up to you. Lemme know
Base game is 115 isn't it? :-\
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Yup.
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Post by: Alfndrate
I will have to give serious thought to it, it's cash I don't have in the account right now.
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Post by: cincydooley
Just lemme know. I don't think they've given us a date when we have to submit.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
I had to have all the survivor, all the gameplay stuff & Promo/LE and a few pinups
(but it all had to be plastic Edit: so I could pretend my spending was under control)
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Post by: cincydooley
You're about where I am Orlando. I'm having an existential crisis regarding the pinups. Haha.
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Post by: DaveC
I ended up adding another $195 to my pledge - 1 of every expansion, exclusive and Pin Up - all in plastic nice and all as the resins are I couldn't justify the additional cost of resin. I dropped all the pin ups from my pledge during the KS figured I'd pick them up later but now I've had 2 months and have funds put aside I added them back in as I figure they might be hard to get later and even if I get stung for Customs and VAT they would still be cheaper through the KS. I'm looking at a VAT bill of €147 if it gets stopped! but when I worked out the KS cost versus the MSRP I saved something like $350 which is about €275 so I still come out ahead and I may or may not have to pay the VAT.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Pointed out by Mahdrol on N&R
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1188790300/hell-dorado-miniature-skirmish-game-inferno-expans/posts/427662
Hell Dorado is doing a Twilight Knight promo figure in collaberation with KD, Art assisted by Lockman Lam and sculpted by Thomas David
Twilight Knight Cometh to Hell
We are very excited to partner with Kingdom Death to bring our two brutal worlds together with the Pinup Twilight Knight's descent into Hell.
This amazing Special Edition figure re-imagines the Pinup Twilight Knight as she would manifest in the realms of Hell Dorado.
The concept art was illustrated by legendary artist Betrand Benoit (Rackham & Helldorado) with some key art direction provided by Lokman Lam (the artist behind the Pinup Twilight Knight). Sculpting this beautiful figure will be the famous Thomas David.
Kingdom Death is a nightmare horror game with an exquisite line of 35mm miniatures sculpted by many of the industry greats. If you haven't seen it, check out their Monster board game which gained massive support right here on Kickstarter.
The Twilight Knight Special Edition will be a $15 Add On.
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Post by: Alpharius
Now that's a clever tie-in/cross promotion!
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Post by: DaveC
For those that just want the Twilight Knight it's $23 US or $28 RoW - pledge level Lemure - the miniature will be made from pewter
From the Hell Dorado FAQ:
What Levels Can I use Add Ons?
You can Add On at any level. However, if you are an international customer please add $5 shipping and handling at the Lemure Pledge Level.
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Post by: ecurtz
I managed to escape with only an extra $55 added to my pledge. Tried to be as disciplined as possible - I didn't even get every promo and skipped the Lion King and Tree expansions. I did get doubles of the Flower Knight and Dung Beetle Knight because those two looked like the most fun to paint.
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Post by: Alpharius
DaveC wrote:For those that just want the Twilight Knight it's $23 US or $28 RoW - pledge level Lemure - the miniature will be made from pewter
From the Hell Dorado FAQ:
What Levels Can I use Add Ons?
You can Add On at any level. However, if you are an international customer please add $5 shipping and handling at the Lemure Pledge Level.
Thanks for that update - have to decide on whether or not to FINALLY jump into Hell Dorado, or just get the Kingdom Death mini...
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Post by: Dentry
ecurtz wrote:I managed to escape with only an extra $55 added to my pledge. Tried to be as disciplined as possible - I didn't even get every promo and skipped the Lion King and Tree expansions. I did get doubles of the Flower Knight and Dung Beetle Knight because those two looked like the most fun to paint.
The IRS seized my money before Kingdom Death could get to it. I believe I have some more scratch laying around here somewhere but I'm not sure what to add: pinups or Gorm? Wish I could just buy the game materials from that expansion and forgo the model.
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Post by: Hulksmash
Anyone else not able to see anything other than the expansions on the pledge manager?
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Post by: Still Standing
Click on the different buttons to select different options. From memory they are on the left of the manager, and Resin is one of the options.
Also
Project Update #67 wrote:Kings of Death & $1000+ reward tiers fear not! We have special plans for you!
I'm so excited! I wonder what it could be?
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Post by: Hulksmash
Apparently it doesn't work with explorer so I had to switch to Firefox. No biggy.
As a sidenote anyone see a way to change your actual pledge level? Doesn't seem to have that option and I was going to go from an extras only to survivor now that I have the funds and they opened up a pledge manager...
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Post by: BlueDagger
I don't think you can actually change you pledge level at this point.
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Post by: Hulksmash
No, confirmation back that they are not changing pledge levels.
Still playing with what I want. I hate pledge managers. Then I end up spending almost twice as much because it's in that months budget for hobbying...At least they'll be pretty
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Post by: Buzzsaw
An interesting tidbit from the comments on the Kingdom Death update concerning the Hell Dorado tie-in;
Kingdom_Death wrote:@The Irishman, one of my requirements for doing the cross over might have been that I get to do a resin run. But I can't "officially" state anything right now, as I want it to help out Hell Dorado as much as possible!
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Post by: S'jet
went pretty mental on this kickstarter, as its a game i've been waiting for since I first saw it years ago. In the end $615 spent, and oddly, i dont regret a single dollar of it!
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Post by: Dentry
Buzzsaw wrote:An interesting tidbit from the comments on the Kingdom Death update concerning the Hell Dorado tie-in;
Kingdom_Death wrote:@The Irishman, one of my requirements for doing the cross over might have been that I get to do a resin run. But I can't "officially" state anything right now, as I want it to help out Hell Dorado as much as possible!
Pledged for the knight. And I love the artwork in the new update.
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Post by: DaveC
Still Standing wrote:
Project Update #67 wrote:Kings of Death & $1000+ reward tiers fear not! We have special plans for you!
I'm so excited! I wonder what it could be?
Different pledge manager email is all
Creator Kingdom Death about 2 hours ago
Ok, so "...We have special plans for you!" Does not mean there is any additional incentive to raise your pledge to 1k+. I merely meant that they would be getting a different email in regards to joining the pledge manager. I am really sorry for any confusion caused, I should have stated that more clearly, I was just excited to share all this art -_-
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Post by: cincydooley
Buzzsaw wrote:An interesting tidbit from the comments on the Kingdom Death update concerning the Hell Dorado tie-in;
Kingdom_Death wrote:@The Irishman, one of my requirements for doing the cross over might have been that I get to do a resin run. But I can't "officially" state anything right now, as I want it to help out Hell Dorado as much as possible!
You're welcome for that
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
 Dentry wrote:ecurtz wrote:I managed to escape with only an extra $55 added to my pledge. Tried to be as disciplined as possible - I didn't even get every promo and skipped the Lion King and Tree expansions. I did get doubles of the Flower Knight and Dung Beetle Knight because those two looked like the most fun to paint.
The IRS seized my money before Kingdom Death could get to it. I believe I have some more scratch laying around here somewhere but I'm not sure what to add: pinups or Gorm? Wish I could just buy the game materials from that expansion and forgo the model.
Remember the Gorm comes with the Regeneration Suit pinup (but just for the KS),
so $40 will get you the Gorm model, the Gorm armour kit minis, Gorm rules & a pinup
or $40 will get you 2 pinups with $10 spare
I'd go for the Gorm, and if you really hate the figure sell/trade it and proxy something else in your gaming
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Post by: Ramos Asura
And the deed is done.
I somehow managed to restrain myself from adding everything to my order... Only added 18 bucks, actually... (Im ignoring the fact that I blew 450 right from the get go. >< )
Definitely looking forward to my big bag o' goodies come November!!
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
I got all of you beat:
I stuck to my pledge for $61.00
5 King's Men
Dragon King expansion
$11 shipping pledge.
Booyah!
How low can you go?
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Post by: Sirius42
I've gone the other way, from $60 to $360, oops
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Post by: cincydooley
So I got my first resins today. The models, for the most part, look fantastic. I have a few problems, which I wanted to ask about:
1. For the pin up preacher, I received 2 sets of legs and no torso. I presume this isn't normal?
2. My pinup great game hunter has a pretty noticeable mould line through her legs and extends up onto her face.none of the other models have any kind of mould line whatsoever. The model is so delicate that I'm afraid to try and fix it because its pretty large.
I emailed orders@kingdomdearh.com for the first issue, but didn't notice the second until i went to clean her up and do assembly. Did I send my query to the right email? Should I contact them about the game hunter as well?
Appreciate it, gents.
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Post by: Fafnir
I'd definitely contact them about the Game Hunter. All of my KD models have been flawless.
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Post by: cincydooley
Okay, sent my email to the CORRECT place this time. Will update the board on the outcome. Cheers!
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Post by: cincydooley
Well, Okay then. I finalized mine. After getting my resin pin ups from KD, I was sold on the resin for those pieces as display models:
Flower Knight Expansion 1
Dragon King Expansion 1
Dung Beetle Knight Expansion 1
Sunstalker Major Expansion 1
The Lantern Festival Major Expansion 1
Promo: Holiday White Speaker Nico 1
Promo: Candy and Cola 1
Promo: Kara Black 1
Messenger of Courage 1
Messenger of the Spiral Path 1
Messenger of the First Story 1
Messenger of Humanity 1
Allison the Twilight Knight: Plastic 1
Phoenix Dancer Resin 1
Primal Huntress Resin 1
Sunstalker Dancer Resin 1
Silk Assassin Resin 1
Illuminated Lady Resin 1
Spidicules Major Expansion 1
Slender Man Expansion 1
Couldn't bring myself to get the Gorm. I just don't like the model. And as you can see from the way they're listed, I decided to go all in with Spidicules nearly last. My wife is going to hate that model so much
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Post by: Alpharius
Morbid curiosity/trying to make myself feel better - what did your total end up at?
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Post by: cincydooley
Check that PM
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Post by: DaveC
cincydooley wrote:
Couldn't bring myself to get the Gorm. I just don't like the model. And as you can see from the way they're listed, I decided to go all in with Spidicules nearly last. My wife is going to hate that model so much
I don't particularly like the Gorm either but I got it as it was effectively free if you factor in $15 for the Regeneration Suit and $25 for the Gorm Armour set both of which I wanted plus all the associated cards for the expansion so I can live with that - hopefully it comes with the smaller hands as an option.
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Post by: cincydooley
Ugh, what a good point. Too late now :-/
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
QFT. Well, my wallet (and wife) will still probably be happier that I didn't get it...
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Post by: Absolutionis
DaveC wrote:hopefully it comes with the smaller hands as an option.
The resin version has smaller hands. The KD:Monster release in 'plastic' very well may follow suit.
The hands and neck need a ton of greenstuffing and it'll be a fine model
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Another Adam Update
Just a quick note, I'm heading to Pax East this Friday. I'll be on a panel called
"From Playtest to 3-D Printer: How to Make Your Own Board Game, War Game, or Tamagotchi".
I'm super excited to sit down and talk shop with some great peers! If you're at PAX please stop by and join the panel.
Details: March 22, 7:00 - 8:00 in Sphinx panel room at the Boston Convention Center.
Oh! Kingdom Death was mentioned in Kickstarters Blog Today!
I hope you've had a chance to peruse the pledge manager and I am happy to report that nearly 3,000 pledgers have successfully locked in their pledges!! That's amazing, thank you so much for your patience and support through this process!!
I just wanted to give everyone an update on the pledge manager close date.
Please have your pledges confirmed by APRIL 7.
The pledge manager will close that day at 11:59 PM EST. If you have any questions or comments, please feel free to contact anna (anna@kingdomdeath.com). Thanks again and I look forward to releasing some exciting final figures.
you can now say over 3000
I will be sending everyone the pledge manager instructions via the kickstarter message system ( which they have recently updated to allow me to do this! ) just to be certain that everyone gets it.
Now the good stuff!
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Post by: nomotog
I won't complain about the pinups, but it really takes me out of the setting when I see the female armor models. They don't look much like actual armor. I looks like it's been styled for sex appeal over protection and that dosen't fit with anything else. Why did they make female armor so radically different then the male armor?
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Post by: cincydooley
Gonna have to ask what you're talking about. The Primal sets look nearly identical. The Sunstalker sets look pretty damn similar too. The male has a it more bading on the legs, but beyond that they look pretty much the same to me.......
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Post by: Amaya
cincydooley wrote:Gonna have to ask what you're talking about. The Primal sets look nearly identical. The Sunstalker sets look pretty damn similar too. The male has a it more bading on the legs, but beyond that they look pretty much the same to me.......
Female armor has exposed midriff, thong strap, and thighs...
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Post by: nomotog
cincydooley wrote:Gonna have to ask what you're talking about. The Primal sets look nearly identical. The Sunstalker sets look pretty damn similar too. The male has a it more bading on the legs, but beyond that they look pretty much the same to me.......
I'm not sure how you come to your conclusion that they are the same. Just looking at the sun stalker armor posted above. Compared to the male model.
The helmet is cut down to show more of her face.
the arms are rather bare.
The top is cut out to show more belly and what looks like a thong or string bikini under the shorts.
The shorts bug me the most. Exposed thighs with only a fraction of the covering of the male legs.
She has heels too.
I also find a problem with the posing. She isn't doing anything, but standing. Meanwhile the male model is moving looks like he about to strike.
I could go on even. Their are tons of little things.
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Post by: cincydooley
nomotog wrote:I'm not sure how you come to your conclusion that they are the same. Just looking at the sun stalker armor posted above. Compared to the male
The helmet is cut down to show more of her face.
And? The visor portion is pulled down more.
the arms are rather bare.
At the elbows. Really that's a big deal?
The top is cut out to show more belly and what looks like a thong or string bikini under the shorts.
You're right here. I guess it simply doesn't bother me.
The shorts bug me the most. Exposed thighs with only a fraction of the covering of the male legs.
Already mentioned this. Again, maybe I'm just not bothered by it.
She has heels too.
Does she? I think it's pretty hard to tell. Anyways, cowboy boots have heels. So did many Spanish boots from the conquistador times.
I also find a problem with the posing. She isn't doing anything, but standing. Meanwhile the male model is moving looks like he about to strike.
If you say so.
I think you're all fishing for problems personally, but i suppose we're all entitled to opinions.
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Post by: nomotog
I'm not looking for problems. I really want to like this. I love the setting. I love the oppressive feel. It's just hard when the game tries to pass short shorts off as armor. It can't buy into this world where people are desperate, but they still manage to make sure that their armor is sexy. There is simply no reason for the female models to look like that.
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Post by: The Fragile Breath
Not to sound like a jerk, but sure, there is a reason. The reason being the person who designed it, liked it that way. If we're going to complain about "Impractical", isn't any armor with any exposed spot "impractical"?
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Post by: BlueDagger
Maybe because that is the way the artist wanted it to look? You are point out issues you have with the armor when the armor is the style of the game? Did anyone seriously back Kingdom Death going into it thinking that all the females wouldn't have a "sexy" vibe to them? Have you not seen ANY of the Kingdom Death artwork or scupts?
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Post by: Alfndrate
 BlueDagger wrote:Maybe because that is the way the artist wanted it to look? You are point out issues you have with the armor when the armor is the style of the game? Did anyone seriously back Kingdom Death going into it thinking that all the females wouldn't have a "sexy" vibe to them? Have you not seen ANY of the Kingdom Death artwork or scupts?
I still want a wet nurse sooooo many boobies it gives an episode of Game of Thrones a run for it's money...
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Post by: nomotog
The creator said himself that the game models wouldn't be sexyfided like the pin ups. "All of the Armor Kits have very functional armor designs or designs that fit the aesthetic of the creature they are based on."
http://kingdomdeath.tumblr.com/
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Post by: cincydooley
I'm no medieval armoror, but they look pretty functional to me. Bulked out elbows and knees don't scream "mobility" to me.
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Post by: BlueDagger
nomotog wrote: The creator said himself that the game models wouldn't be sexyfided like the pin ups. "All of the Armor Kits have very functional armor designs or designs that fit the aesthetic of the creature they are based on."
http://kingdomdeath.tumblr.com/
There is a LARGE difference between sexified pinups and their armor equivalent.
For the sunstalker armor it is EXACTLY the same as the concept art...
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Post by: nomotog
cincydooley wrote:I'm no medieval armoror, but they look pretty functional to me. Bulked out elbows and knees don't scream "mobility" to me.
Then why dose the male armor have covered elbows. I'm not objecting skimpy armor. I actually like the very first kit where everyone is naked in a sheet. It's balanced, It conveys the image of weak survivors just waking up and arming themselves with rocks.
That silk armor looks good. I'm willing to conjecture that it's just the sunstalker armor I hate.
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Post by: cincydooley
You're cherry picking one armor set that has like, three "issues" with it. Look at the other ones. The phoenix, the primal, the spider, the gorm...they're all the same.
Again, I think people are just trying to find things to complain about.
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Post by: BlueDagger
nomotog wrote: cincydooley wrote:I'm no medieval armoror, but they look pretty functional to me. Bulked out elbows and knees don't scream "mobility" to me.
Then why dose the male armor have covered elbows. I'm not objecting skimpy armor. I actually like the very first kit where everyone is naked in a sheet. It's balanced, It conveys the image of weak survivors just waking up and arming themselves with rocks.
Because in this universe women prefer maneuverability over armoring? Men use more brute strength while women use dexterity?
In the end 99% of the target audience won't care, because they are stunningly beautiful models in a board game. If the only things the other 1% can complain about are missing elbow pads and a mid drift then I'd say he's doing it right.
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Post by: nomotog
cincydooley wrote:You're cherry picking one armor set that has like, three "issues" with it. Look at the other ones. The phoenix, the primal, the spider, the gorm...they're all the same.
Again, I think people are just trying to find things to complain about.
It's true I don't find issue with all the armor, just the ones with issues.
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Post by: cincydooley
One man's Issue is another man's petty complaint.
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Post by: Amaya
Amazing how similar things have been said about slavery, institutionalized racism, sexism, and women's rights.
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Post by: cincydooley
 Amaya wrote:
Amazing how similar things have been said about slavery, institutionalized racism, sexism, and women's rights.
Seriously? That's where you're taking this? Hooray for the Triangle of Friendship.
FYI, since you didn't know about alchemy and I doubt you know this: the pin up style was originally a feminist movement against the oppression of Victorian society that was mirrored in the 50s when they became popular again. Their derivation was always much more about women's empowerment than making some nerd's pants tight.
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Post by: BlueDagger
Amaya wrote:
Amazing how similar things have been said about slavery, institutionalized racism, sexism, and women's rights.
Wow... that was one hell of an assumptive leap. Equaling someone thinking a model not having elbow pads to slavery or women's rights in the workplace is just facepalm worthy. Your trolling skills are truly masterful, but it's getting a little old.
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Post by: nomotog
The thing about the female sunstalker armor is that it takes away from the setting. KD isn't high fantasy. Sexy armor works in that setting, but KD isn't that kind of setting. It's a dark oppressive world where people shouldn't be putting out armor that is sex appeal over function.
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Post by: BlueDagger
nomotog wrote:The thing about the female sunstalker armor is that it takes away from the setting. KD isn't high fantasy. Sexy armor works in that setting, but KD isn't that kind of setting. It's a dark oppressive world where people shouldn't be putting out armor is sex appeal over function.
Except that you are dealing with a primitive people. A primitive tribe I would imagine sexual provocation as a powerful primative political tool. "I think we should do this" says the sexy girl. primitive men would be more inclined to follow.
Also once again, you are arguing a point that was clearly in the kickstarter concept art. Also, it's an expansion, just don't buy it.
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Post by: Alfndrate
My question is why is the Sunstalker armor the point of contention and not the Regeneration Suit? It's that more sexualized?
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Post by: cincydooley
The regen suit is a pin-up. The actual Gorm armor is much more.....exoskeleton?....than the pin up is.
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Post by: Alfndrate
I can't find a picture of it
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Post by: Alpharius
 Alfndrate wrote:My question is why is the Sunstalker armor the point of contention and not the Regeneration Suit? It's that more sexualized?
It isn't really a point of contention though...
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Post by: Alfndrate
Alpharius wrote: Alfndrate wrote:My question is why is the Sunstalker armor the point of contention and not the Regeneration Suit? It's that more sexualized?
It isn't really a point of contention though...
I know it's not! I'm just trying to figure out the reason why Amaya and friend are so against it...
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Post by: Absolutionis
Here you go:
A bit of exposed cleavage, but I'm sure paining the color of the slimy-monster-flesh will cover it up just fine.
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Post by: Alfndrate
Well obviously that should put to rest some of the issues of sexism! lol
The man's arm is exposed, the woman has a little bit of side boob and her chin is showing... How dare he turn women into objects...
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Amaya wrote: cincydooley wrote:Gonna have to ask what you're talking about. The Primal sets look nearly identical. The Sunstalker sets look pretty damn similar too. The male has a it more bading on the legs, but beyond that they look pretty much the same to me.......
Female armor has exposed midriff, thong strap, and thighs...
Huh, didn't really think they were that different, but, yeah. I think I'm fine with all of those except the thong strap-- the rest fall under easy degrees of suspension of disbelief, but I don't really imagine thongs being attire that would even exist in a setting where humans are barely surviving with necessities (I can imagine the development ability in your town, "requires gorm intestines, cloth from kingsmen, and way too much time on your hands. No armor or ability benefit granted". I'm fine with that noise for pinups, 'cause, well, pinups, but my hunter-gatherer survivalist society may sadly be lacking in sexy underwear.
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Post by: Absolutionis
The Sunstalker Expansion is a weird expansion that introduces a happyhappy group of settlers that worship the Sunstalkers. It's where Miko comes from.
Maybe that's where the Substalker Thong comes from.
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Post by: nomotog
Alfndrate wrote:Well obviously that should put to rest some of the issues of sexism! lol
The man's arm is exposed, the woman has a little bit of side boob and her chin is showing... How dare he turn women into objects...
I like to wait till the final model to comment because things can shift, but I like the look of regeneration suit. I can always cover up that one hole anyway.
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Post by: Alfndrate
nomotog wrote: Alfndrate wrote:Well obviously that should put to rest some of the issues of sexism! lol
The man's arm is exposed, the woman has a little bit of side boob and her chin is showing... How dare he turn women into objects...
I like to wait till the final model to comment because things can shift, but I like the look of regeneration suit. I can always cover up that one hole anyway.
Why does a little cleavage matter?
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Post by: cincydooley
nomotog wrote: Alfndrate wrote:Well obviously that should put to rest some of the issues of sexism! lol
The man's arm is exposed, the woman has a little bit of side boob and her chin is showing... How dare he turn women into objects...
I like to wait till the final model to comment because things can shift, but I like the look of regeneration suit. I can always cover up that one hole anyway.
Sarcasm? Or are you really that much of a Puritan?
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
 The Fragile Breath wrote:Not to sound like a jerk, but sure, there is a reason. The reason being the person who designed it, liked it that way. If we're going to complain about "Impractical", isn't any armor with any exposed spot "impractical"?
If only they didn't have so much agency interfering with the T&A. I'd love a Bechtel test pinup.
Seriously, though, arguing "well, the designer's a misogynist" doesn't endear you or the game to the general public. It's pretty clear that 10 years from now the entire TT community will feel awkward shame whenever anyone reminds us about the success of KDM.
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Post by: Alpharius
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Seriously, though, arguing "well, the designer's a misogynist" doesn't endear you or the game to the general public. It's pretty clear that 10 years from now the entire TT community will feel awkward shame whenever anyone reminds us about the success of KDM.
I don't see that happening but who knows?
Mark your calendars for 3/22/23 - we'll know then!
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Post by: BlueDagger
Why would they feel an awkward shame? Does anyone that plays warhammer feel awkward shame about GW releasing demonettes with tat-tats showing? I'm pretty sure though are still extremely desirable minis for a lot of people.
I'd bet that 10 years from now we'll be laughing about playing TT games that didn't have Augmented reality interfaces and we had to rely on tape measures for distances.
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Post by: nomotog
Alfndrate wrote:nomotog wrote: Alfndrate wrote:Well obviously that should put to rest some of the issues of sexism! lol
The man's arm is exposed, the woman has a little bit of side boob and her chin is showing... How dare he turn women into objects...
I like to wait till the final model to comment because things can shift, but I like the look of regeneration suit. I can always cover up that one hole anyway.
Why does a little cleavage matter?
I'm worried about the safety of the little plastic people. They have to fight some rather deadly creatures and I think the cleavage window may be a safety hazard. Actually how dose that suit work as armor? I dosen't look that hardy.
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Post by: cincydooley
The regen suit isn't supposed to. It's a pin up. If you're really interested, go read some on the gorm and the properties of its skin. I suspect you're not, so I won't even bother to provide you with a link.
Are you even bought in to the game, or are you complaining for the sake of being a troll?
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Post by: BlueDagger
The regen suit is made of a Gorm organ material that regenerates at astonishing rates. It's likely to have a terrible armor benefit, but a regeneration ability to make up for it.
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Post by: cincydooley
Blue Dagger is nicer than I am :-)
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Post by: nomotog
cincydooley wrote:The regen suit isn't supposed to. It's a pin up. If you're really interested, go read some on the gorm and the properties of its skin. I suspect you're not, so I won't even bother to provide you with a link.
Are you even bought in to the game, or are you complaining for the sake of being a troll?
It's an item.You make it out of the stomach lining of the gorn. BlueDagger probably has it right. I likely has low armor but the ability it repair itself. Good for hit and run attacks, but it might have other affects too.
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Post by: Buzzsaw
BobtheInquisitor wrote: The Fragile Breath wrote:Not to sound like a jerk, but sure, there is a reason. The reason being the person who designed it, liked it that way. If we're going to complain about "Impractical", isn't any armor with any exposed spot "impractical"?
If only they didn't have so much agency interfering with the T&A. I'd love a Bechtel test pinup.
Seriously, though, arguing "well, the designer's a misogynist" doesn't endear you or the game to the general public. It's pretty clear that 10 years from now the entire TT community will feel awkward shame whenever anyone reminds us about the success of KDM.
*Snort* Yeah, he's a regular Joss Whedon (seriously, read that article, there is no finer example of hilarious feminist agitprop, being equal parts deeply offensive and marvelously myopic).
With regards to the actual topic of KD:M, all I can say is how excited I am about the translation from Lockman Lam's art to WIPs, it's almost beyond what anyone could have asked for. As pointed out above, the translation of the Sunstalker armors is... mind blowing. It may be the most faithful rendition of concept art, almost... perfectly faithful? Egads...
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Post by: Alfndrate
WHY WOULD YOU LINK THAT?!
My brain hurts just trying to comprehend a large amount of idiocy in that post.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Buzzsaw wrote:*Snort* Yeah, he's a regular Joss Whedon (seriously, read that article, there is no finer example of hilarious feminist agitprop, being equal parts deeply offensive and marvelously myopic).
Wow, seriously, thanks for a laugh. I went to a pretty ridiculously liberal (much of the time) liberal arts college, so I consider myself fairly ready for that sort of thing, but, well, good stuff... I like how there were some other rants for good measure.
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Post by: Still Standing
Most of the male armour has large patches of flesh showing too. How is it sexist if it's equal?
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Post by: Sinful Hero
The thing about the exposed thighs and elbows could be explained away by the fact she's an archer- mobility over armour. As for the rest, underpants do help with sanitation, right? And it's not necessarily a g-string. Loincloths have been around since BC-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undergarment#Ancient_history
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Post by: Wehrkind
Buzzsaw wrote:
*Snort* Yeah, he's a regular Joss Whedon (seriously, read that article, there is no finer example of hilarious feminist agitprop, being equal parts deeply offensive and marvelously myopic).
Wow... I almost want to book mark that so I can refer to it later for a reminder that seeing things through one lens only can make you insane.
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
Several posts are skirting the line between disagreement and being impolite.
Kingdom of Death has always produced miniatures that generate...lively discussion due to the creative nature of the product. Objective criticism of a model is one thing--passive trolling and being rude to those whom you disagree with is another.
Please keep it polite, objective and on topic. Thanks.
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Post by: Amaya
Sinful Hero wrote:The thing about the exposed thighs and elbows could be explained away by the fact she's an archer- mobility over armour. As for the rest, underpants do help with sanitation, right? And it's not necessarily a g-string. Loincloths have been around since BC-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undergarment#Ancient_history
I feel that you are reaching here.
I can accept that perhaps elbows should be exposed as there is indeed a joint there. I am not aware of any joint midthigh that needs to be exposed for increased manouverability. I am however, aware of multiple examples of exposed thighs in female armor as a form of sexualizing the armor and making it apparent that it is female. Also, a typical loincloth does not have distinctive straps as seen in the model. It "may not" be a g string, but that is the most probable possibility. G-strings and thongs are not sanitary items and have been show to cause vaginal infections. You can search the dirty details, I don't they're necessary here other than to point out that they are worn for sexual purposes, not for sanitation.
Still Standing wrote:Most of the male armour has large patches of flesh showing too. How is it sexist if it's equal?
The Sunstalker model does?
AgeOfEgos wrote:Several posts are skirting the line between disagreement and being impolite.
Kingdom of Death has always produced miniatures that generate...lively discussion due to the creative nature of the product. Objective criticism of a model is one thing--passive trolling and being rude to those whom you disagree with is another.
Please keep it polite, objective and on topic. Thanks.
Is there any reason you deleted my post in defense of that article and left the ones bashing it as idiotic and insane? Given that it is not quite relevant to the topic, I fail to see how even handed moderation would single mine out.
Can you clarify what you consider objective criticism? Certain posters react to any critique of KD as being "Puritan" or claim that the individual is trolling. Are we going to turn a blind eye to such rudeness?
If we're going to arbitrarily censor criticism wouldn't it be prudent to simply ban all criticism of everything posted on this site? Of course that would defeat the very purpose of a public forum...
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
I haven't deleted or edited any of your posts within this thread--I only posted a warning. If you have any questions as to why something you posted was deleted, please feel free to e-mail any questions to: webmaster@dakkadakka.com.
That being said--if our conversation has moved from the discussion of a miniature to the sanitation of underwear--we have probably exhausted the topic. At this point, either you are comfortable with the nature of miniatures produced by Kingdom of Death or you are not--and if not--there is a great deal of other Dakka to enjoy. Any further posts regarding feminism, sexist ideology or the nature of under garments will be deleted as off topic. Thanks.
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Post by: cincydooley
Edited by AgeOfEgos-
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Post by: Still Standing
The easiest way to express distaste for the models is to not buy them. Saves the rest of us ear ache too.
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Post by: The Fragile Breath
Still Standing wrote:The easiest way to express distaste for the models is to not buy them. Saves the rest of us ear ache too.
Agreed.
I completed my pledge manager earlier today:
Survivor level.
Expansions: Flower Knight, Dung Beetle Knight, Slender Man, Dragon King, Gorm, Spidicules, Sunstalker, and Lantern Festival. Freebies from Herald of Death.
Optional models: Spider Silk Assassin, Phoenix Dancer, Lantern Girl and Primal Huntress (for my cousin), and 2 Allisons along with 2 Messengers of Courage, one each for me, one each for my girlfriend (along with the free Regeneration Suit).
Final total: $540. I'm proud of myself for not adding any money through the manager. But seeing as I tacked on at least a hundred dollars on the final day, it doesn't quite mean as much. But hey, little victories.
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Post by: Sinful Hero
I managed to make it through the pledge manager without adding anything- barely.  I ended up with snagging a BDL Round 5, with 4 pin-ups( Dragon Sacrifice, Primal Huntress, Lantern Girl, and Twilight Witch), Dragon King, Gorm, Flower Knight, Beetle Knight, and the Lantern Festival expansion, and the Holiday White Speaker Nico at $370.
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Post by: nomotog
Still Standing wrote:The easiest way to express distaste for the models is to not buy them. Saves the rest of us ear ache too.
But they come with the game. Though honestly if you want to save ace, you should just agree some of the stuff is sexiest. What harm could possibly come from from acknowledging that the models aren't dressed fair.
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Post by: cincydooley
nomotog wrote: Still Standing wrote:The easiest way to express distaste for the models is to not buy them. Saves the rest of us ear ache too.
But they come with the game. Though honestly if you want to save ace, you should just agree some of the stuff is sexiest. What harm could possibly come from from acknowledging that the models aren't dressed fair.
Sunstalker armor does not come with the game. Gorm armor does not come with the game. Not a single pin-up comes with the Game. The ones that come with the starter are the ones you've agreed look nearly the same.
There is nothing to "save face" for if someone disagrees with your assessment that they are sexist.
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Post by: nomotog
cincydooley wrote:nomotog wrote: Still Standing wrote:The easiest way to express distaste for the models is to not buy them. Saves the rest of us ear ache too.
But they come with the game. Though honestly if you want to save ace, you should just agree some of the stuff is sexiest. What harm could possibly come from from acknowledging that the models aren't dressed fair.
Sunstalker armor does not come with the game. Gorm armor does not come with the game. Not a single pin-up comes with the Game. The ones that come with the starter are the ones you've agreed look nearly the same.
There is nothing to "save face" for if someone disagrees with your assessment that they are sexist.
You seem to be confused. The sunstalker armor isn't a pinup model. It's the armor kit that comes form the sunstalker expansion. Same with the regeneration suit, but they haven't shown the armor model for that expansion. Also none of the armor kits are the same for both female and male. Even the silk armor looks different, though both do look like armor so I won't complain about it.
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Post by: cincydooley
No.... I'm not confused. Those armors don't come with the base game. They're expansions. You don't have to buy the expansion. All of the armors from the base game that we've see look nearly identical save for the fact that one is male and one is female.
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Post by: nomotog
cincydooley wrote:No.... I'm not confused. Those armors don't come with the base game. They're expansions. You don't have to buy the expansion. All of the armors from the base game that we've see look nearly identical save for the fact that one is male and one is female.
But I would like to play the expansions too. I'm not taking issue with the whole game or ya I wouldn't care and wouldn't buy. I do have issues with some parts though. Also I have seen the rawhide armor and it's shortened skirt and low cut neckline, so yes it is even with the most base armor.
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Post by: The Fragile Breath
Alright, here's one for you, then. I'd argue that the female in the Sunstalker armor set is better protected (in a sense), seeing as the teeth plating covers her lungs and heart region better than the man's. Keeping vital regions protected is important, after all.
Edit: I'm just going to take this part down because I'm worried about it coming off as rude.
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Post by: Alfndrate
nomotog, I'd like to remind you that this thread has already been warned about the nature of the models, and to move on from here. And just in case you missed it, I'll post the relevant part from AgeOfEgos' post.
 AgeOfEgos wrote:At this point, either you are comfortable with the nature of miniatures produced by Kingdom of Death or you are not--and if not--there is a great deal of other Dakka to enjoy. Any further posts regarding feminism, sexist ideology or the nature of under garments will be deleted as off topic. Thanks.
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Post by: nomotog
The Fragile Breath wrote:Alright, here's one for you, then. I'd argue that the female in the Sunstalker armor set is better protected (in a sense), seeing as the teeth plating covers her lungs and heart region better than the man's. Keeping vital regions protected is important, after all.
Eh why not. I'll buy that.
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Post by: Grot 6
nomotog wrote: cincydooley wrote:No.... I'm not confused. Those armors don't come with the base game. They're expansions. You don't have to buy the expansion. All of the armors from the base game that we've see look nearly identical save for the fact that one is male and one is female.
But I would like to play the expansions too. I'm not taking issue with the whole game or ya I wouldn't care and wouldn't buy. I do have issues with some parts though. Also I have seen the rawhide armor and it's shortened skirt and low cut neckline, so yes it is even with the most base armor.
The armor sets are buildable. You start out in a loincloth, then the guys either sink or swim to the point of the other armor sets- ( that are as well interchangeable.)
You could have a leather armor top, and a sunstalker armor bottom if thats what you'd want to do. IMO, these guys really don't look like they're going to make it very far, anyway, so you might even be better just to up and use one or two base guys, write down the stuff you want them to have, and later on, if they are still around, you can go make a model for them at that point.
Please go read throught the background stuff. It will save you a lot of heart ache and your misconceptions.
Point in parcel of the issue is that these guys start out damn near naked. you have to pick up some stuff, make some weapons along the way, and try to progress against some pretty nasty stuff. THEN theres the issue of the settlement, in which you get to make some weapons armor sets, and then theres the facton play involvment.
Like I said, go back and dig through the information at hand, you are going to answer your own questions there.
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Post by: Absolutionis
I'm actually just planning on constructing the armor kits as they are with no mixing. They'll look better that way, and when I play different 'campaigns' with different people, each player will choose whichever figure best suits their character in its current iteration.
Armor will be changing around a lot anyways, and what matters most are your item cards. Everything else is aesthetics.
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Post by: Still Standing
Edited by AgeOfEgos--please leave the discussion of sexism out of this thread
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
Grot 6, where can we read the background? Last time I asked, I was directed to the Kickstarter. I read all the updates and even the site they linked to, and there was barely anything. Is it all in the videos? Where is the fluff?
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Post by: Absolutionis
The videos give you the basic premise of the setting. The first one especially is the one you want for fluff.
Long story short, humans wake up basically naked in a world of darkness. They're the lowest on the 'food' chain. They make a settlement where lanterns are their salvation.
I personally don't understand how guns fit into all this, but I'm looking forward to pistols and rifles.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Absolutionis wrote:I'm actually just planning on constructing the armor kits as they are with no mixing. They'll look better that way, and when I play different 'campaigns' with different people, each player will choose whichever figure best suits their character in its current iteration.
Armor will be changing around a lot anyways, and what matters most are your item cards. Everything else is aesthetics.
I'm planning on something similar- I might mix the bonus kits past 4, but the base ones will get regular treatment, since, yeah, they'll be changing all the time, and I'd rather have cool minis than strictly representative ones. Automatically Appended Next Post: Absolutionis wrote:The videos give you the basic premise of the setting. The first one especially is the one you want for fluff.
Long story short, humans wake up basically naked in a world of darkness. They're the lowest on the 'food' chain. They make a settlement where lanterns are their salvation.
I personally don't understand how guns fit into all this, but I'm looking forward to pistols and rifles.
Unless I'm missing something, the rifles are actually stylized crossbows.
But, yes, one hunter has a pistol.
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Post by: Absolutionis
I guess those are all crossbows after all. Pity. But yeah, the female Game Hunter and the monster Manhunter both have a pistol.
I've always had a thing for going for a heavy tech focus in all games. I'd imagine it'll be unusually satisfying to start the game with a sharpened bone and end the game shooting the King with firearms.
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Post by: cincydooley
FYI Kingdom Death got a restock on some of the general release models. Because I'm a sucker, I picked up a few of the models I don't have.
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Post by: kenshin620
Not exactly related to this topic, but /tg/ is having a bit of flame war over this
Basically some people think if you dip the models you'll ruin them, while the other side says they're not as detailed as the resin so its fine to use quicky techniques
The things people debate about! (some really angry people even said you shouldnt even paint them if you consider dipping)
Even though the plastics are going to be $18 a pop, just how should you approach these minis when it comes to painting? This is of course pure speculation
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Post by: Absolutionis
"Dipping" is just a reckless form of using a wash. It makes things look better than just leaving flat colors. Not a fan of it myself, but to each their own. Better than having unpainted models, in a way.
Also, I love 4chan's sense of humor sometimes:
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Post by: Fafnir
I would never dip KD miniatures. To each their own, but considering the quality and detail of these sculpts, I'd say that they're worth a much more precise treatment.
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Post by: Alpharius
You lost me at 4chan...
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Post by: Alfndrate
4chan isn't entirely bad, and from my experiences, /tg/ has been a decent board to go to. It's how I got in 40k, and eventually Dakka... Oohh... wait... It if wasn't for 4chan I wouldn't be here... Sorry Alph
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Post by: Spiku
Anyone in the UK who missed the Kickstarter want to talk with me before I lock in my adjusted pledge?
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Post by: cincydooley
I wouldn't even consider dipping my KD minis. Granted, I don't dip anything, but I certainly wouldn't dip these.
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Post by: Absolutionis
Found this image while browsing the internet:
http://gavingoulden.blogspot.com/2011/08/kingdom-death-sunstalker.html
I don't think it's the infant. I also don't think we've seen a render of the Sunstalker past the concept art. This image dates back to August 7th 2012.
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Post by: kenshin620
Oh well I know that pure dipping is a bit silly. Maybe a $2 ork or something but not an $18 KoD mini
Though the haters there seemed to be against washes all together
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Post by: KoganStyle
This is the Adult Stalker, it wasn't put on the KS page due to the penis, and KS rules about nudity. For the same reason the Illuminated Lady was never directly offered or talked about. I believe the Sunstalker concept art was also 'snipped' at a certain point to meet KS rules.
Is it December yet?
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Post by: Spiku
Going to be locking my pledge in about 5 hours if anyone in the UK wants to get in on
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Post by: lucasbuffalo
Alfndrate wrote:
4chan isn't entirely bad, and from my experiences, /tg/ has been a decent board to go to. It's how I got in 40k, and eventually Dakka... Oohh... wait... It if wasn't for 4chan I wouldn't be here... Sorry Alph
Same here actually. Just steer clear of Those-Sections-That-Shall-Not-Be-Named and it's really a great and usually clean place.
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Post by: DaveC
New update
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/poots/kingdom-death-monster/posts
I continue to be impressed by the work and attention to detail Adam is putting into this you can tell he really cares about the final product when he opts for more expensive components like the purple or black core cards and the urea dice most people probably won't even notice the difference. That's good news if he can ship from the EU that will save me a large chunk of VAT wonder what his big news will be?
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Post by: Absolutionis
Yay update with gigagallons of pictures!
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/poots/kingdom-death-monster/posts/450351?ref=activity
So if you can imagine things have been really crazy here! I've got some big news I can share once all the paper work is signed off etc etc...
I will be able to give the final word on fulfilling rewards from within the EU once I have a final box count and the final box weight and dimensions are set in stone. Until then I can't make any promises, just expect everything to be shipped from the states until you hear otherwise.
We are down to just 300 people that need to confirm their pledges! This is excellent news and is far less stragglers then I initially expected. Anna has been working diligently thru everyones emails and making sure she takes care of each backers issues as it comes up. Its a pretty exhausting workload and it would have been simply impossible to manage that + everything else all at once.
For the card stock, we will be going either purple or black core for the extra snap they provide. Its more costly, but its totally worth it! The custom dice included in the game will be made from urea, which has a much nicer feeling then acrylic dice. It was interesting learning about it, as its a much older way to manufacture dice but it results in a slight glass feeling die with way more heft.
I've been hustling all the artists like crazy! Trying to include as much art as humanly possible before the print deadline.
Before we go into art dump mode, on behalf of all the artists, Anna, and Joe whom has taken over orders and customer service, I want to thank you all so much for this opportunity. Everyone is throughly enjoying the work!
Images here are high-res, and Poots has asked people not to host them elsewhere. Thus, leeching onto Dakka forums should be fine; after all, most people are going to click the link anyways and the image source host is the same so it'll be in your cache when you visit Kickstarter.
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Post by: The Fragile Breath
What a meaty update, phenomenal art as always! I love the Green Knight armor renders, the weapon renders, the Gorm picture, and of course, the picture of the two survivors cuddling is adorable.
So, the picture after the chain whip (which looks awesome), the colored one of the survivors staring in horror at something. Is that a Watcher in some sort of egg in an abandoned lantern hoard? Because for some reason, that's really disturbing and intriguing if so!
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Post by: Alpharius
Still looking for a picture of the Lantern Festival Girl without a banner splashed across it!
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Post by: cincydooley
Who is the chick in the armor?!
Also, this art book is going to be just phenomenal. I want it in hardcover.
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Post by: Rolt
Images here are high-res, and Poots has asked people not to host them elsewhere. Thus, leeching onto Dakka forums should be fine; after all, most people are going to click the link anyways and the image source host is the same so it'll be in your cache when you visit Kickstarter.
Oh dammit, I did'nt know Poots asked that, should I go and alter the KD News post I made?
Really sorry guys.
------ Edit -------
Just updated it, all images removed and a direct link to the KS page update added, phew that was a tad embarrassing. 
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Post by: Absolutionis
cincydooley wrote:Who is the chick in the armor?!
Also, this art book is going to be just phenomenal. I want it in hardcover.
You mean the CGI Render? The filename states it's the Green Knight Armor. It's the armor set you get for the $300+ Herald of Death stage
 Rolt wrote:Oh dammit, I did'nt know Poots asked that, should I go and alter the KD News post I made?
He simply stated in reply to someone that is not me:
Creator Kingdom Death about 11 hours ago
@Jesse Martin
Please do not host these images anywhere else. Do not upload them to imgur, or Facebook or anywhere else. Thank you.
You can find the comment in the Comments section of this update.
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Post by: spears
Im astonished at how many people didnt realise the board was not the 3d one shown in the video, looking good anyway.
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Post by: The Fragile Breath
 spears wrote:Im astonished at how many people didnt realise the board was not the 3d one shown in the video, looking good anyway.
As am I. Unsettling, really. How many times did he say that it was just a display piece and the game would come with a printed board? I mean, I'm sorry, but $100 for all those miniatures and the game itself is a STEAL. Did they really think they were getting a 2 foot by 3 foot 3D board with it? Just the board itself would cost you $100 at most places, if not more. I'm personally really happy with how the board looks.
I don't understand that it looks "too location specific" either. With a variety of environments to fight creatures in (whether it be right outside a settlement, inside an abandoned settlement, out in the wild, etc) there's no way for one board to make all of them feel right at home.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
I'm not surprised
as you did actually have to read stuff/watch the whole video/pick it up in the comments/updates
people do tend to go 'ooo shiney' and not pay any more attention than that
I do like the finished board though (and the bad moon re-colour especially
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Post by: ced1106
A little OT, but if you're going to mention 4chan...
If you're on the fence for the Myth Kickstarter (ends in 30-some hours), Myth has a crossover Twilight Knight figure from Kingdom Death. She's available at the $75 or higher level, though $100 Captain is the sweet spot for 150+ fantasy miniatures.
HOWEVER, the Myth figures are 28mm, while KD is 35mm, so I doubt she's meant to be played in KD. And she's fully clothed.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1700755582/myth-0/posts
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Post by: Alpharius
Or, more officially:
A Knight of Twilight
Update #51 · Apr 23, 2013 · 72 comments
Myth and Kingdom Death are proud to present the Twilight Knight Mini-boss.
Kingdom Death is a nightmare horror board game with highly detailed, beautiful 35mscale miniatures. They really set the bar high for both miniatures and Kickstarters.
Early in the Kickstarter cycle Kingdom Death backed Myth. We quickly reached out to them. We knew they were busy, but hoped we might collaborate. We began to talk and decided that doing a Trickster Level and providing a Mini-boss was ideal. Keith got to work on the art transition and with the help of the Kingdom Death team fused these two amazing worlds in the solitary figure of the Twilight Knight.
As with all Mini-bosses, she will be accompanied by a stat card. However, unique to the Twilight Knight, Heroes who somehow defeat her win the cursed blade, the Twilight Sword. The only Orange item in the game at this point.
This Limited Edition miniature will be given for free to all backers at the Minion Level and above ($75).
We can't thank Adam Poots and his team enough for their generosity and effort in this relationship. They really love the hobby and are incredibly good people to know and work with.
AND:
Note*
This model does not include any unique rules for Kingdom Death: Monster. It only has rules for Myth as a mini-boss. It will also be rendered at 28mm heroic scale so it fits within Myth's game. I cannot make any promises of the figures availability outside of Myth's Kickstarter. The intent of this collaboration project is to show support for Myth's campaign and show the good faith and brewing friendship between the two studios.
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Post by: KoganStyle
Why does she always look sad? Is it the clothes? do they restrain her from her otherwise Pin Up posing? Mayhaps we will never know...
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Post by: Baragash
Sad times that you can only get the model with $75 buy in.
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Post by: Alpharius
Yes and no - since Adam and company are doing this in order to help out Myth, and not sell singles of a model that can't be used in KD.
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Post by: Baragash
Sure, but they're giving them away free at that pledge level anyway so letting people buy them at $10-15 as an add-on to a lower level is still helpful to Myth.
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Post by: cincydooley
 Baragash wrote:Sure, but they're giving them away free at that pledge level anyway so letting people buy them at $10-15 as an add-on to a lower level is still helpful to Myth.
Why would they do that? There are literally 17 people that would qualify for that.
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Post by: Alpharius
cincydooley wrote: Baragash wrote:Sure, but they're giving them away free at that pledge level anyway so letting people buy them at $10-15 as an add-on to a lower level is still helpful to Myth.
Why would they do that? There are literally 17 people that would qualify for that.
Exactly!
And on top of that, the Kingdom Death guys pledged $2000 to make this happen!
Sheesh!
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Post by: Absolutionis
Kingdom Death paid $2000 to get a promotional figure into a Kickstarter in order to promote MYTH? That seems odd considering Kingdom Death has already been proven to be absurdly successful and popular whereas MYTH is the one needing the promotion. Why does KD pay $2000?
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Post by: Alpharius
They selected the "Trickster" level pledge - and that let's you design a miniature for the game.
Why?
To help out a fellow game creator?
To help promote themselves too?
Because they really liked the game?
Because they can?
Either way, it gets every one at $75 and above a free miniature, so...
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Post by: BlueDagger
It's the "giving back to fellow KS projects" mentality.
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Post by: Alpharius
Alpharius wrote:They selected the "Trickster" level pledge - and that let's you design a miniature for the game.
Why?
To help out a fellow game creator?
Right!
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Post by: recruittons
Plus, it's just awesome! He pays 2 grand and gets a TON of stuff from a really great campaign, plus he gets to put (I would think) one of his own favorite creations into, then gets to promote his game by sending out miniatures to every backer who gets a copy of their game. This, in turn, will drive interest in his game as people see this unique game piece and ask about it. It's all fairly brilliant all around.
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Post by: Absolutionis
Hah, never considered the high-pledge tier of $2000, my mistake. I wasn't criticizing the campaign, I just found it odd that KD was paying MYTH money to popularize their item.
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Post by: cincydooley
My impression is that Poots is all about that too. If you look at his backer history, he's been a part of a ton of KSes by fellow Indy developers. I think that's a really cool thing.
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Post by: jdelrio22
Is Kingdom Death going to be available for purchase after the kick starter?
I would like to get the game at some point in the future, just didn't have the pennies for it when it was up as a kickstarter.
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Post by: Piperi
Kingdom Death: Monster will be available for purchase after all the Kickstarter backers receive their pledges. So you will, most likely, be able to pick it up Q1 or Q2 2014.
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Post by: cincydooley
 Piperi wrote:Kingdom Death: Monster will be available for purchase after all the Kickstarter backers receive their pledges. So you will, most likely, be able to pick it up Q1 or Q2 2014.
We don't know any of that for certain. The production costs could make the widespread, non- KS distribution of it problematic. It's got 700 cards so far in the base game, so who knows how much the MSRP may be when it releases.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Adam now seems to be posting reasonably frequently in the chat on the KS comments
so I'll drop a few of his comments on costs so far in
Manufacturing $1 million
Shipping to backers $400K (this has the potential to rise if prices do)
Printing $300k
KS/Amazon Fees $200K (this ismy rough estimate here)
so it looks like he's got about $150K left for contingencies (and I bet he'll need it), salaries (at the very least for him and Anna), etc
so what looked like an unbelievably huge sum quickly drops down to a decent (but not spectacular sum)
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Post by: Alpharius
I've heard similar stories from other successful Kickstarters to...
Thanks for posting the summary!
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Post by: cincydooley
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:Adam now seems to be posting reasonably frequently in the chat on the KS comments
so I'll drop a few of his comments on costs so far in
Manufacturing $1 million
Shipping to backers $400K (this has the potential to rise if prices do)
Printing $300k
KS/Amazon Fees $200K (this ismy rough estimate here)
so it looks like he's got about $150K left for contingencies (and I bet he'll need it), salaries (at the very least for him and Anna), etc
so what looked like an unbelievably huge sum quickly drops down to a decent (but not spectacular sum)
Thanks for the input, Orlando. A bit thinner margin than I would have guessed, but not unexpected. Very cool to know.
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Post by: Cyporiean
yeah, that seems about right from what I've personally dealt with.
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Post by: Dujek
Would be interesting to know how many copies that 1.3 million pays for. IE, is that enough for just the backers or does that also cover some number of copies to sell to the general public as well?
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
A few bits of chat from Adam in the KS comments
the question asked whether the board would be printed in China
@Scott Wells firstly I am going to say something a bit out of character and let you in on a little secret. I am at the mercy of the market. I looked into printing all of the card & game board components locally and not only was the cost far far over budget, none of the companies would even take the print project. It's simply too much hassle and the volume STILL isn't high enough compared to say the cosmetics industry that has a lot of high end printing and box making. So instead I did the most sound thing I could and went with a boston based company that has been in the biz for 35 years. Yes, they do their printing in china, but all their quality management is controlled by their HQ on american soil. The samples they sent me look great, the whitebox print the sent me also looked great. I've dragged them across the coals several times on specific token thickness and finish. My confidence on their ability to deliver is 100%, but manufacturing is manufacturing and I simply won't have mass production units to check, until I do. Do you mind if I ask you personally which board games you feel DO have solid quality tokens? And don't say space hulk! They are just thicker, dripping in gloss and have a deboss effect on them.
the question asked whether the game was on schedule
@John Bobita, I am doing everything within my power to meet the intended goal. Feeling wise, I range from anxiety attack to extreme confidence on a hourly basis, so... I think it would be best if I just stick to facts. The current fact is I have been assured that both the miniature production and the board game / card component production will meet the aforementioned intended goal.
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Post by: Buzzsaw
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:A few bits of chat from Adam in the KS comments
the question asked whether the board would be printed in China
@Scott Wells firstly I am going to say something a bit out of character and let you in on a little secret. I am at the mercy of the market. I looked into printing all of the card & game board components locally and not only was the cost far far over budget, none of the companies would even take the print project. It's simply too much hassle and the volume STILL isn't high enough compared to say the cosmetics industry that has a lot of high end printing and box making. So instead I did the most sound thing I could and went with a boston based company that has been in the biz for 35 years. Yes, they do their printing in china, but all their quality management is controlled by their HQ on american soil. The samples they sent me look great, the whitebox print the sent me also looked great. I've dragged them across the coals several times on specific token thickness and finish. My confidence on their ability to deliver is 100%, but manufacturing is manufacturing and I simply won't have mass production units to check, until I do. Do you mind if I ask you personally which board games you feel DO have solid quality tokens? And don't say space hulk! They are just thicker, dripping in gloss and have a deboss effect on them.
the question asked whether the game was on schedule
@John Bobita, I am doing everything within my power to meet the intended goal. Feeling wise, I range from anxiety attack to extreme confidence on a hourly basis, so... I think it would be best if I just stick to facts. The current fact is I have been assured that both the miniature production and the board game / card component production will meet the aforementioned intended goal.
I must say that's an entirely enjoyably look behind the scenes, thanks for reporting it!
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Post by: Alpharius
I thought this:
Creator Kingdom Death 1 day ago
@Victor Garrison, Kickstarter is a very strange thing isn't it? I forewarn all that is as much politics and expectation management as it communication and showing your product in the best light possible. I feel it really encapsulates the word "campaign". I think something a lot of us project leads wonder is, would a kickstarter set at the true value actually succeed? Why would someone new take the risk where the stretch goal system seems to work very well.
was VERY interesting.
And probably a good place to start a separate discussion!
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Post by: Alpharius
Some tidbits:
Creator Kingdom Death 4 days ago
Organization is important to me, since good organization really helps with gameplay flow. We personally found a few games that sport too many tokens / cards very prohibitive to play due to setup time. Then all it takes is one game sessions where people don't clean up and well, things become a mess!
Creator Kingdom Death 4 days ago
@edwardo, yeah i totally understand ya. The trivial pursuit version that is its own self contained box would certainly make the cards more portable. It would also allow you to free up some space on the table since the main game box wouldn't be there. But personally I don't find thumbing thru a compact box style as easy to handle as a dominion box, with its dedicated card slots. I am weighing the pros and cons and I also need to look at the budget so I can make sure to balance everything out.
Creator Kingdom Death 4 days ago
There are never more then 3 "decks" active per game phase. So it doesn't get too out of hand. The only part we've found quickly can get messy is when several people are all sorting thru gear cards at the same time.
Creator Kingdom Death 3 days ago
Honestly, if dominion was just a pile of cards in a box. I highly doubt it would have become a weekend favorite here. The lack of organization is what killed arkham horror. I take the organization SUPER seriously. I just need to find that right balance between, presentation, practical and financially possible.
Creator Kingdom Death 3 days ago
A game should not have to make a busy adult invest SO much time just to get started playing it. Sadly this is why war hammer / war hammer 40k have fallen to the side too. I adored the model building and hobby part of the experience. But then you spend, usually 2 hours just setting up. I don't care how complex a game is once its rolling. Key thought here being it needs to GET rolling.
Creator Kingdom Death 2 days ago
The box cannot be designed in a way to fit all the miniatures and their myriad of assembly options + all the components. So please do not expect storage for assembled figures.
Some new art:
Potentially NSFW
Done by Lokmanlam 'just because', I think.
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Post by: Absolutionis
That picture makes me a little bit uncomfortable in it's rapey-ness.
I hope it's relegated to some of the pinup options and not part of the base game.
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Post by: Alpharius
The Lantern Girl artwork:
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Alpharius wrote:...
Some new art:
Potentially NSFW
Done by Lokmanlam 'just because', I think.
Let me point out that Lockman has posted that picture on his deviantArt account with the following disclaimer;
Have a nice dream!!!!!
This is a personal fan art , not an official kingdom death artwork.
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