I can hardly express how excited I am to hear Poots cite Arkham Horror as an example of a game that lacks organization and how that can kill the fun of the game. The idea that Kingdom Death might turn into a sea of cards where significant portions of each turn are spent just figuring out where to draw from was one of my biggest fears and Arkham Horror would have been my go to example of a game that does it wrong.

100% agreed: Dominion is the only card game I've liked, and I hated the setup time for Arkham Horror. Similar taste is definitely encouraging.

 Buzzsaw wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
...
Some new art:
Potentially NSFW

Done by Lokmanlam 'just because', I think.

Spoiler:

Let me point out that Lockman has posted that picture on his deviantArt account with the following disclaimer;

Have a nice dream!!!!!

This is a personal fan art , not an official kingdom death artwork.

those faces could easily be the new troll face.

From Adam in the KS comments

Creator Kingdom Death about 12 hours ago

EU - Shipping, I want it. you want it. Until I have exact box dimensions and weights I cannot get a final quote. There is also the huge logistical issue of making sure the tremendous variation in inventory all gets safely to an EU fulfillment center and then it boils down to this. Do you want my team packing your order safe and sound? Or do you want a vendor I pay to pack the orders? I need to ensure that if I do work with an outside company that they can handle this fairly complex pick and pack order. I am currently in talks with shipwire and I am testing their services out, there are a few other leads I am looking into but I have not committed to anything yet and therefore I cannot report anything officially or make any assurances.

It is frustrating for me, because I am pretty sure we kickstarted the production of a high quality game and the talent of many wonderful artists. However the reality is, that shipping is EXPENSIVE and this game box got much larger and much heavier then I anticipated when the campaign started. If anyone has any professional experience with a vendor they trust, please feel free to reach out to me as I plan on continuing exploring options before making a firm commitment.



Automatically Appended Next Post:

Creator Kingdom Death about 7 hours ago

The current plan is to handle Domestic fulfillment personally. Still looking into solutions for the EU and the rest of the world. CMON does not have their EU warehouse setup yet, so they may not be a viable option for me. The scale of the project and the large number of expansions raises the logistical complication bar by quite a bit. It's not a problem, but I do want to find the best way to do it, to ensure a smooth experience for you backers and to try and not spend too much of the budget on shipping companies and instead on talented artists. Does anyone know anything about shipwire? Their reps are very enthusiastic, but I can't find anyone that actually uses them.

Update #74 · Jun 24, 2013 · 5 comments

Hello!

I hope everyone has been well. The team has been working like crazy and I am pleased to share our developments thus far.

- Schedule Update
We are still aiming to hit our target date to begin shipping rewards in november. At this time the manufacturing partners involved have made it their priority to meet our very aggressive timeline. Things will be close as time is tight. As we work as hard as possible, If I feel the quality of the game or its components will suffer in any way, I will let you know and we can decide if we should delay it or not. While I feel that maintaing our timeline is of the utmost importance, Anna has reminded me several times that actually you, the backers, are the most important and that no one wants anything to be rushed.

- Shipping Update
The current plan is to personally fulfill all of the domestic rewards from our warehouse / studio in brooklyn NY. We are looking into better solutions for the international rewards and have started to contact fulfillment companies for quotes and deals. The fact that USPS shipping rates more then doubled during the course of the KD campaign has not made this task any easier! Currently about 400k of the funds have been budgeted towards shipping and I'd like to reduce that and shift the money towards production & art.

- Plastic Manufacturing Update
This is one point I am super excited about. We have secured a vendor and a process that I am very confident in. I personally flew to china early may to spend time touring the facility and going over the finer points of the project and the team their is quite capable. They are a small operation and due to the size, complexity and timeline of KD have had to expand to take up the job. The majority of engineering and production will take place from now until september. Once I have a good variety of samples to check, I will take loads of photos and divulge all of the details for everyone. Thankfully they see KD as a wonderful portfolio piece and want to give every last miniature the full attention it deserves.

- Cards & Printed Material Update
I've gotten a lot of concerned emails from fans in regards to warped boards and low quality token sheets from many kickstarter games. I have done a fair bit of research into the projects in particular that were named and I am aware of what lead to some of the issues. We are using a US based board game manufacturer that has been in the biz for 35 years. They are capable of standard components and the more premium components that will be used for KD. The game cards will be printed on a thicker greycore card ( used for casino poker cards ) and the token sheets will all be sealed in a climate controlled area to ensure they don't warp. There needs to be a fair bit of lead time for this, as its not a fast process.

- Hit Location Dice
I got em! They are awesome! We might mix in a very small amount of glow in the dark pigment to the white, to give it a more matte off-white feeling. This gives the die more contrast between the gloss black and matte interior and in my opinion, gives it that little extra pinch of handsome.



- Lantern Armor
The lantern armor is the most durable armor that can be crafted in the core game and it is not an easy set to reach. I was never fully satisfied with the original sculpture and thankfully there was enough time for me to slide in a resculpt! So now you can check out the Lantern Armor as was truly envisioned!



- Hunt Board
Lokman and I worked on this one together. He supplied the awesome border artwork and I did the layout. The center of the board is a unique gameplay element. When you reach this space, you trigger the overwhelming darkness story event. This represents the survivors traveling far away from their settlement and deep into the darkness where the atmosphere is its thickest. In this story event only the courageous or insane get by unscathed.



- Font Size
We've decided to try and stick to an 8pt font size as our minimum wherever possible. While personally I have no problem reading a smaller size, I've chatted with Anna and many of the backers and resolved that bigger is better. For reference most magazines use an 8pt font as do magic cards. In picking a font, we agonized for a while and ended up selecting a special type of font that's edges come to a point to make it more readable.



- Sculpted Slender Man
When the Slender Man concept art was revealed, Jacques-Alexandre Gillois instantly sent me a message the simply said. Let me sculpt this one! We finished up the sculpting on schedule and here are the photos of Jacques inspired sculpt.



- Aya Origin Comic
At this time I am not sure we will make the print deadline for this to be included in the game manual. If that is the case, I will release it online for everyone to enjoy.

And the art continues to be arted!

Now that's one hell of an update - thanks for posting it!

Every day I'm sad I missed this one, when do you think we might see stuff available to order outside the KS? Mid 2014?

I managed to get a Flower Knight from the website a few months ago when they came back into stock.

My god..... The Slender Man looks incredible....

I really wish I snagged him now!!!

It's amazing to me: despite spending more on this campaign then any other, I still feel that I missed so many great things...

Argh!

 Buzzsaw wrote:
It's amazing to me: despite spending more on this campaign then any other, I still feel that I missed so many great things...

Argh!

That was because it had a ridiculous number of KS exclusives late in the game.

And there sure do seem to be a lot of people being bitten in half in the new art.

Dear Raging Heroes: this is how you run a Kickstarter.

 shamikebab wrote:
Every day I'm sad I missed this one, when do you think we might see stuff available to order outside the KS? Mid 2014?

I managed to get a Flower Knight from the website a few months ago when they came back into stock.

Sadly, I don't think we'll have any idea. Thats why so many people went close to all in with this KS, because getting stock of some of their items is so hard in the first place.

 cincydooley wrote:

 shamikebab wrote:
Every day I'm sad I missed this one, when do you think we might see stuff available to order outside the KS? Mid 2014?

I managed to get a Flower Knight from the website a few months ago when they came back into stock.

Sadly, I don't think we'll have any idea. Thats why so many people went close to all in with this KS, because getting stock of some of their items is so hard in the first place.

I know that's what I did, and why I did it!

$1134 USD here... I feel bad every time I think about it...

I know I got all the expansions and the individuals figures in plastic, and I was nowhere near that...

You must have added a lot of Resin for it to get that high?

Pledge Total 1164
Pledge Reward Level Survivor
Herald of Death Gift
KD: Monster Tshirt l
Selected Options:
Twilight Knight Gift
White Speaker Gift
Flower Knight Expansion 1
Dragon King Expansion 1
Gorm Major Expansion (includes Regeneration Suit) 1
Dung Beetle Knight Expansion 1
Spidicules Major Expansion 1
Sunstalker Major Expansion 1
Lion God Expansion 1
The Lantern Festival Major Expansion 1
Slender Man Expansion 1
The Lonely Tree Expansion 1
Promo: Holiday White Speaker Nico 1
Promo: Kara Black 1
Promo: Candy and Cola 1
Messenger of Courage 1
Messenger of the Spiral Path 1
Messenger of Humanity 1
Messenger of the First Story 1
KD: Monster Custom Dice x5 1
Allison the Twilight Knight: Plastic 1
Adam and Anna Resin Collectors Edition 1
Leather Queen Resin 1
Rawhide Dame Resin 1
Lioness Resin 1
Phoenix Dancer Resin 1
Primal Huntress Resin 1
Dragon Sacrifice Resin 1
Regeneration Suit Resin 1
Sunstalker Dancer Resin 1
Aya the Survivor Resin 1
Paul the Survivor Resin 1
Illuminated Lady Resin 1
Lantern Festival Girl Resin 1
Silk Assassin Resin 1
Twilight Witch Resin 1
Stone Face Base Inserts x50 2
Flower Knight Resin 1

 Still Standing wrote:
Pledge Total 1164
Pledge Reward Level Survivor
Herald of Death Gift
KD: Monster Tshirt l
Selected Options:
Twilight Knight Gift
White Speaker Gift
Flower Knight Expansion 1
Dragon King Expansion 1
Gorm Major Expansion (includes Regeneration Suit) 1
Dung Beetle Knight Expansion 1
Spidicules Major Expansion 1
Sunstalker Major Expansion 1
Lion God Expansion 1
The Lantern Festival Major Expansion 1
Slender Man Expansion 1
The Lonely Tree Expansion 1
Promo: Holiday White Speaker Nico 1
Promo: Kara Black 1
Promo: Candy and Cola 1
Messenger of Courage 1
Messenger of the Spiral Path 1
Messenger of Humanity 1
Messenger of the First Story 1
KD: Monster Custom Dice x5 1
Allison the Twilight Knight: Plastic 1
Adam and Anna Resin Collectors Edition 1
Leather Queen Resin 1
Rawhide Dame Resin 1
Lioness Resin 1
Phoenix Dancer Resin 1
Primal Huntress Resin 1
Dragon Sacrifice Resin 1
Regeneration Suit Resin 1
Sunstalker Dancer Resin 1
Aya the Survivor Resin 1
Paul the Survivor Resin 1
Illuminated Lady Resin 1
Lantern Festival Girl Resin 1
Silk Assassin Resin 1
Twilight Witch Resin 1
Stone Face Base Inserts x50 2
Flower Knight Resin 1

When all that comes in, it seems you'll have quite a good time painting and assembling!

From the KS comments today

Creator Kingdom Death about 18 hours ago

We have upgraded the pledge manager to allow people to change their shipping address. If you are changing your address from domestic to international, you will need to contact anna@kingdomdeath.com.

Thanks~

 shamikebab wrote:
Every day I'm sad I missed this one, when do you think we might see stuff available to order outside the KS? Mid 2014?

I managed to get a Flower Knight from the website a few months ago when they came back into stock.

Me too.. I guess it must come eventually, but I'm trying to forget about it and hopefully remember this time next year or something!

Quickly! Get yourself to the Kingdom Death website, there are a bunch of awesome new figures for you to spend all your cash on.

I just ordered these to add to pinup collection.

1 x Pinup Survivor
1 x Experiment of Death
1 x Chosen
1 x Savior - 20 Years
1 x Savior - 40 Years
1 x Savior - 80 Years
1 x Savior - Super

yay.

Sweet! Too bad I'm tapped out on funds right now. Does the Savior- 20 Years' left leg look a little...wonky to anyone else?

Damn, I've got Nico and White Speaker but 40 years old Savior was sold out too fast. Well, she does look best from all the Saviors, hope she is getting a remake after some time.

Missed out again!

Oh well, I guess Jury Duty was worth it.

Damn!! Missed out on 20 and 40 year old saviour :(
But have you guys seen the Chosen!!!
http://shop.kingdomdeath.com/product/chosen

WHAT THE!!! WOW

 Makaleth wrote:
Damn!! Missed out on 20 and 40 year old saviour :(
But have you guys seen the Chosen!!!
http://shop.kingdomdeath.com/product/chosen

WHAT THE!!! WOW

All I could see was (confused looking) Sanguinius.

And...looks like there's still plenty left?

The Savior (40) looks really good... KD's hero sculpts impress me much more than their modular ones.

 Alpharius wrote:
And...looks like there's still plenty left?

Yeah, I've noticed his non-cheesecake figures sell a little slower than the big monsters. Either price, or the lack of mammary glands.(not that I mind the mammaries, mind )

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
And...looks like there's still plenty left?

Yeah, I've noticed his non-cheesecake figures sell a little slower than the big monsters. Either price, or the lack of mammary glands.(not that I mind the mammaries, mind )

I'm sure you're only imagining things. Adam just makes more of certain models than others as is evidenced by their being out-of-stock almost continuously.

In fact, sir, I do believe with a moniker such as Sinful Hero it's safe to say you're of less than questionable morals. I ask you to leave the fine upstanding, egalitarian patrons of Poot's Fine Boutique to their fancies free of your outlandish and sinful claims.

 Dentry wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
And...looks like there's still plenty left?

Yeah, I've noticed his non-cheesecake figures sell a little slower than the big monsters. Either price, or the lack of mammary glands.(not that I mind the mammaries, mind )

I'm sure you're only imagining things. Adam just makes more of certain models than others as is evidenced by their being out-of-stock almost continuously.

In fact, sir, I do believe with a moniker such as Sinful Hero it's safe to say you're of less than questionable morals. I ask you to leave the fine upstanding, egalitarian patrons of Poot's Fine Boutique to their fancies free of your outlandish and sinful claims.

Oh, good sir! I would never dream of sullying such a fine establishment with my patronism! Perish the thought!

Son. Of. A. Bitch. Where was my email!?!?

 cincydooley wrote:
Son. Of. A. Bitch. Where was my email!?!?

I totally know how you feel for this one

 cincydooley wrote:
Son. Of. A. Bitch. Where was my email!?!?

I'm guess your email was... Out Of Stock.

(•_•)
( •_•)>⌐■-■
(⌐■_■)

Zing. I've always gotten emails from them before when new stock comes in....

Just surprised I didn't get one this time.

 Dentry wrote:
I'm guess your email was... Out Of Stock.

(•_•)
( •_•)>⌐■-■
(⌐■_■)

Zing indeed

Did anyone get an email about these, or was it just those who happened to be trolling his site at the time who were able to jump on them?

 RiTides wrote:

 Dentry wrote:
I'm guess your email was... Out Of Stock.

(•_•)
( •_•)>⌐■-■
(⌐■_■)

Zing indeed

Did anyone get an email about these, or was it just those who happened to be trolling his site at the time who were able to jump on them?

I got an email; they tend to go out very early for an EST based company (mine was Friday July 12 at 5:21AM).

I was able to pick up the Savior at 20 and 40 years, as well as the White Speaker Nico encore, but now I regret not getting the whole Savior cycle...

No issues here either - got the email.

Lacked the funds to buy any.

Waiting until November/December 2013 or later before buying too much more from Adam!

Yeah, good call... most KS companies need to deliver something before getting additional funds from me... another reason not to have such long lead times on things / be more prepared before launching a campaign (not that KD wasn't or anything... assuming they deliver in 2013, which would honestly be shocking given the usual KS delays on big campaigns).

I was under the impression this was all coming out 2014? Have I misread something somewhere, or gotten the wrong idea?

The "Official" ship date is still November 2013.

June Update!
Update #74 · Jun 24, 2013 · 147 comments

Hello!

I hope everyone has been well. The team has been working like crazy and I am pleased to share our developments thus far.

- Schedule Update
We are still aiming to hit our target date to begin shipping rewards in november. At this time the manufacturing partners involved have made it their priority to meet our very aggressive timeline. Things will be close as time is tight. As we work as hard as possible, If I feel the quality of the game or its components will suffer in any way, I will let you know and we can decide if we should delay it or not. While I feel that maintaing our timeline is of the utmost importance, Anna has reminded me several times that actually you, the backers, are the most important and that no one wants anything to be rushed.

- Shipping Update
The current plan is to personally fulfill all of the domestic rewards from our warehouse / studio in brooklyn NY. We are looking into better solutions for the international rewards and have started to contact fulfillment companies for quotes and deals. The fact that USPS shipping rates more then doubled during the course of the KD campaign has not made this task any easier! Currently about 400k of the funds have been budgeted towards shipping and I'd like to reduce that and shift the money towards production & art.

- Plastic Manufacturing Update
This is one point I am super excited about. We have secured a vendor and a process that I am very confident in. I personally flew to china early may to spend time touring the facility and going over the finer points of the project and the team their is quite capable. They are a small operation and due to the size, complexity and timeline of KD have had to expand to take up the job. The majority of engineering and production will take place from now until september. Once I have a good variety of samples to check, I will take loads of photos and divulge all of the details for everyone. Thankfully they see KD as a wonderful portfolio piece and want to give every last miniature the full attention it deserves.

- Cards & Printed Material Update
I've gotten a lot of concerned emails from fans in regards to warped boards and low quality token sheets from many kickstarter games. I have done a fair bit of research into the projects in particular that were named and I am aware of what lead to some of the issues. We are using a US based board game manufacturer that has been in the biz for 35 years. They are capable of standard components and the more premium components that will be used for KD. The game cards will be printed on a thicker greycore card ( used for casino poker cards ) and the token sheets will all be sealed in a climate controlled area to ensure they don't warp. There needs to be a fair bit of lead time for this, as its not a fast process.

- Hit Location Dice
I got em! They are awesome! We might mix in a very small amount of glow in the dark pigment to the white, to give it a more matte off-white feeling. This gives the die more contrast between the gloss black and matte interior and in my opinion, gives it that little extra pinch of handsome.



- Lantern Armor
The lantern armor is the most durable armor that can be crafted in the core game and it is not an easy set to reach. I was never fully satisfied with the original sculpture and thankfully there was enough time for me to slide in a resculpt! So now you can check out the Lantern Armor as was truly envisioned!



- Hunt Board
Lokman and I worked on this one together. He supplied the awesome border artwork and I did the layout. The center of the board is a unique gameplay element. When you reach this space, you trigger the overwhelming darkness story event. This represents the survivors traveling far away from their settlement and deep into the darkness where the atmosphere is its thickest. In this story event only the courageous or insane get by unscathed.





- Font Size
We've decided to try and stick to an 8pt font size as our minimum wherever possible. While personally I have no problem reading a smaller size, I've chatted with Anna and many of the backers and resolved that bigger is better. For reference most magazines use an 8pt font as do magic cards. In picking a font, we agonized for a while and ended up selecting a special type of font that's edges come to a point to make it more readable.



- Sculpted Slender Man
When the Slender Man concept art was revealed, Jacques-Alexandre Gillois instantly sent me a message the simply said. Let me sculpt this one! We finished up the sculpting on schedule and here are the photos of Jacques inspired sculpt.



- Aya Origin Comic
At this time I am not sure we will make the print deadline for this to be included in the game manual. If that is the case, I will release it online for everyone to enjoy.

And the art continues to be arted!









But yeah, odds are it will slip, and if it does, 2014 will be it's new home!

 RiTides wrote:
Yeah, good call... most KS companies need to deliver something before getting additional funds from me... another reason not to have such long lead times on things / be more prepared before launching a campaign (not that KD wasn't or anything... assuming they deliver in 2013, which would honestly be shocking given the usual KS delays on big campaigns).

If KD:M arrived this November it'd totally catch me by surprise. Honestly, how many of us are actually expecting it to deliver on time?

I personally expect Feb-Mar 2014 lol. I also have no issues with that time frame. The only one so far that kinda hurt is Relic Knight's massive delay. It was delayed so hard that most people have lost all energy/excitement for the game around here.

My new Kingdom Death models have been shipped. I managed to get in early and pick up all of the new models, and get the Experiment of Death which I missed before, and another of the pinups.

I have to be honest. The fact that they were able to get new product out WHILE working on the Monster campaign is going to potentially speak incredibly well for Adam.

Would you still feel that way if the campaign is late, though? Presumably, these figures that are getting released now are in the same resin that the resin KS rewards needs to be cast in... and perhaps by the same caster?

 RiTides wrote:
Would you still feel that way if the campaign is late, though? Presumably, these figures that are getting released now are in the same resin that the resin KS rewards needs to be cast in... and perhaps by the same caster?

That would be unfortunate... but Adam has A LOT of spare customer loyalty with me. So no, it would make no difference, the man has to eat (and as long as he is not releasing the KS starters to people before we start getting mailed I have no issue here)

If the game and components are of the quality that Adam has been talking about I could forgive the project sliding a little (the fact that it might then coincide with my paternity leave has nothing to do with it honest guv )

Ofc being a Sedition Wars and Mantic backer I have become quite willing to wait if it means I don't get a half-arsed job at the end of the process

It might also be that production of Monster has entered a phase that has freed up modelling resources enough to create some intermediate releases.

 Makaleth wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
Would you still feel that way if the campaign is late, though? Presumably, these figures that are getting released now are in the same resin that the resin KS rewards needs to be cast in... and perhaps by the same caster?

That would be unfortunate... but Adam has A LOT of spare customer loyalty with me. So no, it would make no difference, the man has to eat (and as long as he is not releasing the KS starters to people before we start getting mailed I have no issue here)

Oh, I don't think he'll starve somehow

Fafnir- Entirely possible, I'm just saying it seems likely the resin KS rewards are cast by this same person... and I'm wondering if they're cast yet.

They may be, or at least, the ones that have been finalized so far. Might as well keep your caster busy inbetween the kickstarter work.

Or it could be that, aside from prototypes, he's kept from ordering resins for Monster in order to do it all at once.

Either way, I can't imagine Poots shooting himself in the foot, especially after the trials and tribulations of running the KS campaign itself. He seems to learn pretty quickly.

One thing you can set your clocks by - RiTides rainin' on Kingdom Death parades!

I don't feel like RiTides is raining on the parade. I feel like he is asking geniune and reasonable questions.

Personally for me, this project was pretty much just for cool mini's to paint over time to increase my skill level and give me a break from 40k mini's. So when it arrives doesn't really matter to me.

Trust me, he's hatin', even if only a little bit!

Fine, Alph, I'll own the label if you'll own that it's a reasonable question, like Hulk says. I give a little you give a little, right

It's just the more I see of these kind of long lead time, huge campaigns... the more tempted I am, if my own project ever comes to fruition, to get private financing and be able to release it all in one go.

Then I wouldn't have to deal with people like me asking about the huge campaign when I release something while it's in the pipeline

See, we're actually on the opposite end of the spectrum RTides. And maybe it's because I have too much faith in people, but I see him releasing some models in the intermediary as a good thing. It indicates to me that he's confident enough that they have their ducks in a row that he can.

 Alpharius wrote:
Trust me, he's hatin', even if only a little bit!

Questions and criticism never help anything.


This is the most negative thread on Dakka Dakka.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Trust me, he's hatin', even if only a little bit!

Questions and criticism never help anything.


This is the most negative thread on Dakka Dakka.

I see what you did there and approve

RiTides does bring up some interesting points.

But they tend to drift into that always dangerous "Should" category.

I guess I'm OK with waiting until November 2013 before getting too upset.

Funny thing is, I'm guessing almost everyone went into this one expecting it to be late, especially with where it ended up, and how it got there!

I guess Adam and company have more built in goodwill than most other companies' Kickstarters?

 Alpharius wrote:
RiTides does bring up some interesting points.

But they tend to drift into that always dangerous "Should" category.

I guess I'm OK with waiting until November 2013 before getting too upset.

Funny thing is, I'm guessing almost everyone went into this one expecting it to be late, especially with where it ended up, and how it got there!

I guess Adam and company have more built in goodwill than most other companies' Kickstarters?

It could be that the people who post on this topic at dakkadakka have more experience with kickstarters, and have gotten accustomed to delays.

"What if RiTides is right and I can't make the deadline? What if I let the backers down?"

I can see how it might be upsetting for people to imagine - correctly or incorrectly - that effort is being diverted elsewhere when Adam's already made a commitment to the KD:M backers. Personally it doesn't bother me since I'm assuming he's got some downtime from the production of things and devotes that to continuing the boutique side of Kingdom Death. i.e. It's not directly interfering with KD:M.

What does bother me is constantly missing out when these danged models come out!

Here's hoping for November but if I have to wait a little longer I won't complain either.

So long as he ships at a point when my living arrangements are consistent, I'll be happy.

 Dentry wrote:

"What if RiTides is right and I can't make the deadline? What if I let the backers down?"

I can see how it might be upsetting for people to imagine - correctly or incorrectly - that effort is being diverted elsewhere when Adam's already made a commitment to the KD:M backers. Personally it doesn't bother me since I'm assuming he's got some downtime from the production of things and devotes that to continuing the boutique side of Kingdom Death. i.e. It's not directly interfering with KD:M.

What does bother me is constantly missing out when these danged models come out!

Lol nice post. Love the emo pic (I assume that is Poots himself)

Alpharius also makes some great points. I'll be watching this with a lot of interest while I wait for my kickstarters that ended significantly earlier than KD to actually ship

(Yep that pic is Poots)

From comments: Link

Kingdom Death wrote:I would like to release the RESIN Dung Beetle Knight ( NO RULES ) with next months resin releases. As a backer would you A ) understand that this is not the same product as the plastic version or B ) Feel some how butthurt or upset Thanks~

Kingdom Death wrote:I don't think its really good faith to release anything new that was available during the kickstarter before backers get their rewards. This is a Resin Collectors piece that was not available, however the plastic version was available. So I could see that potentially confusing some backers.

Well, that could have been phrased better, I think.

No resin version of the Dung Beetle Knight was offered during the KS but it might be harder for people to swallow, as Poots himself alludes to, seeing models from the KD:M KS being sold even if they're not the actual product we'll be receiving during fulfillment.

Another one of his comments mentions showcasing the plastic used in final production at some point mid-August. He seems rather happy with it from what I can tell.

Calling your backers customers "butthurt"- not a good idea...

Releasing a sculpt in resin that you have yet to deliver in plastic from the kickstarter- also, not a good idea!

That's a pretty poor form post, and would be an even poorer form decision if he did decide to sell that model from the kickstarter, simply in a different material, and call it an entirely different product. It's not that backers are "easily confused"... it's that they paid hundreds of dollars for those models, and are waiting until the end of the year... and in all likelihood, much longer.

To take their money upfront, then offer the product in a different (perhaps even more desirable) medium afterwards for immediate purchase rather than a year+ wait... how could that possibly be a good business / PR decision?

Also posting it only in comments, rather then throwing up an update so that it might be seen is poor form.

I would have rather bought a resin Beetle then the plastic one...

Yeah, you beat my edit, but that's exactly what I think- that many people would've preferred paying more for a resin beetle. And they could get it now rather than wait. Clearly, that is a very bad idea to offer before delivering on the campaign!

I got everything available in resin on the KS... Now I have to buy another Dung Beatle!

 RiTides wrote:
Calling your backers customers "butthurt"- not a good idea...

Releasing a sculpt in resin that you have yet to deliver in plastic from the kickstarter- also, not a good idea!

That's a pretty poor form post, and would be an even poorer form decision if he did decide to sell that model from the kickstarter, simply in a different material, and call it an entirely different product. It's not that backers are "easily confused"... it's that they paid hundreds of dollars for those models, and are waiting until the end of the year... and in all likelihood, much longer.

To take their money upfront, then offer the product in a different (perhaps even more desirable) medium afterwards for immediate purchase rather than a year+ wait... how could that possibly be a good business / PR decision?

I skimmed through the comments earlier and that doesn't seem like an accurate characterisation of the situation *shrugs* it.s 23.14 I'm not going to go back through the comments to prove it though,

I backed for everything that was part of the game ($685), I'm perfectly happy for him to sell the resin version (and FYI there's 450 units of it so if it does go on sale and you want it, be quick).

Bit of a non issue this one update #30 (posted December 16th 2012) clearly states it wouldn't be available in Resin during the KS but would be released during 2013 http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/poots/kingdom-death-monster/posts/370081

650K has been passed and with it, we have reached funding for one of my personal favorite Kingdom Death miniatures, the Dung Beetle Knight! You can add the expansion to your rewards by adding +$25 (MSRP $35) to your pledge total. I will not be offering a resin version of him thru this kickstarter. His resin version with no game rules, will be released sometime 2013.

I think Adam adequately covered himself there and is free to sell the resin version.

Looks like he's covered OK then...

Shocking to see RiTides in here stirin' the pot though!

The pot she needs a'stirrin'

Not so bad, though, if he noted during the campaign that he'd be offering it for sale in resin later- that way, backers who wanted it in resin could've waited. If this was coming out of the blue, it'd be worse.

Still, I can't imagine most backers actually saw that line... or remembered it when it came time to finalize their pledges.

**Hands back long wooden spoon**

 DaveC wrote:
I think Adam adequately covered himself there and is free to sell the resin version.

It's curious though that he's waiting for backer feedback before coming to a decision when the decision appears to have been made during the actual KS. Did people raise a big stink with the recent resin releases or something? He menitons concern over 'customer' satisfaction so I assume the Savior wave wasn't well received by backers.

I suspect that's more to do with the fact the there was only 450 of each sold and they sold fast and there's 5,410 KS backers there's bound to be a few disappointed particularly as if your not signed up to the newsletter you wouldn't know about them at all. The Saviors weren't anything to do with KS so an announcement there wasn't required the Dung Beetle Knight is somewhere in the middle as it was a KS option but Adam has covered the release of the resin version outside of KS but he probably wants to make sure KS backers have a chance to get it as well and not unduely upset anyone and as RiTides said how many will remember that update (I remember huge amounts of mostly useless information. but can never remember where the car keys are )

"Butthurt"? Very professional.

His decision doesn't bother me personally, and I think it's great he asked, but his vocabulary could use a bit of tweaking.

"Which one of you pathetic losers wanted a second run of resin figures? Because I've decided to humor you." It just doesn't sound as welcoming as "This is great news, everyone!"

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
"Butthurt"? Very professional.

His decision doesn't bother me personally, and I think it's great he asked, but his vocabulary could use a bit of tweaking.

"Which one of you pathetic losers wanted a second run of resin figures? Because I've decided to humor you." It just doesn't sound as welcoming as "This is great news, everyone!"

I agree, he could be a little more finessed.
But, those who have known and dealt with Adam for a while now already knew this.

My new Kingdom Death stuff has arrived. I have to say I am not a fan of the plastics (Experiment of Death). After only experiencing his resin until now I am disappointed.

Are the plastic minis being produced for the game using the same method / material? Honestly I forget where that left off, although the question marks around it is what initially got me to drop... I have the same concerns about most of the "big box board games" that are being advertised to double as wargaming miniatures (such as Sedition Wars).

Zombicide / Descent / Super Dungeon Explore type plastics are absolutely fantastic for board gaming, but are not good enough for wargaming, in my opinion / experience so far.

From the KS comments quite a few thought the experiment of death PVC was good (some shipped out from the recent re-stock hence the talk about it)

eg: Cheshiremonkey 2 days ago

My Experiment of Death just came today and if what we get is similiar to that from this kickstarter, we have nothing to worry about. I was extremely impressed with how clean the model was. Monster cannot come soon enough. I cannot wait to sit down and play.

but in response to this and a specific question about the comparison Adam said

Creator Kingdom Death 2 days ago

@Iain McGregor, its superior material & process compared to the PVC found in the experiment of death

personally I can't see whatever it is being as good as his resin (but then while I've seen rare examples of minis as good as his, I've never seen better) but I'm sure it will b decent

Update!

Sunstalker!
Update #75 · Aug 5, 2013 · 50 comments

Hello everyone! Let's get right to it!

Schedule & Plastic Manufacturing Update
Nothing new to report on plastic manufacturing yet. Still collecting samples so I can have a nice little show and tell for an update. Initially I was planning for this to be mid august, but it might slip to end of august. In september I will be pulling the trigger on production, so if we are facing any delays I will know by then.

Shipping Update
So far we have sat down in meetings with, USPS, DHL and Fedex. Things are looking much brighter there then I had anticipated. Fedex offers a service that we are currently discussing in greater detail, wherein packages would be picked up and then shipped from a single international point of origin. What customs taxes people can expect from shipping within Europe using this method still remains to be seen but it's a promising option. The suit & tie fedex reps, were not prepared for our warehouse and the hoards of tiny men that presented them. They kept talking about how different it was for them.


Game Dev Update

After much agonizing, we decided on the final dimensions of the game book. It will be 11"x8.5" landscape format. There were many design considerations that went into this, but here are the ones that really matter to us. Wide format art looks way more awesome! By going landscape we make the book a little easier to fit on a busy table with lots of gaming pieces. Finally, for future online content we really wanted consistent look and feel to be possible from anyone's home printer.

I apologize, these have not been thru the editor yet so I will not be posting readable versions of them.



Thru play testing we discovered that tracking the number of elapsed years often fell by the wayside when players started the settlement phase excited to essentially start shopping for new gear. We also found that despite the year being what triggered the end of the game no one really cared much about it.

So we went back into the design phase for this and have extended this aspect of the game into a full-fledged timeline. Now you just tick of the years as you go and trigger the appropriate story event on that year. There are things in game that can add, remove or move story events on your timeline and in the case of certain expansions, you will use a blank version of the settlement record sheet to setup unique timelines.

The final blank version will be available for download so that if people want to create fully customized campaigns with their own chronology of story events (or even new ones!!) they can.

I wanted to keep the design nice, simple, and information focused. This minimalist style also works to keep things visually consistent from any home printer.



Art!
Here is the monster that caused our little delay today! I wanted to assemble him and take some photos for the update. I am happy to present the resin Sunstalker, sculpted by Allan Carrasco! Following him is the Sacred Pool, the unique settlement location you have access to when you play a sunstalker campaign and finally after that are some shots of the resin Primal Huntress!

Kevin Lindsay about 8 hours ago

Can the Sunstalker be hunted or is it only in use as an optional end boss? Either way AMAZING!

Creator Kingdom Death about 8 hours ago

@Kevin, both!

Jorge Barreiros about 6 hours ago

Great looking content, as always.
I wonder, most of the updates understandably focus on the amazing components. But what is the state of the gameplay content (cards/rules/playtesting/expansion content etc)?
I'm not terribly enthusiastic about the FedEx solution, as anything coming into EU from outside is taxed accordingly, if I understand correctly. So, unless the "single international origin" is EU-based, which seems unlikely, we'll still get hit by taxes. Oh well. At least the game is looking amazing.

Creator Kingdom Death about 6 hours ago

It would be EU based, as the majority if international backers are in the EU. The core game is getting pretty solid, while the expansions are still currently wildly unbalanced and need quite a bit more fine tuning.

Eduardo Guimarães about 6 hours ago

Great Update, this game will be the perfect mix of boardgame and RPG. More gameplay updates are very welcome.
For the non-EU international backers, you should give the option to use USPS. FEDEX, DHL or USP will pratically double the price of the game for me. I would be willing to pay more to get the game via USPS.

Creator Kingdom Death about 6 hours ago

@Eduardo, I am really sorry but we will most likely not be offering that level of customization for individual backers. In order to get a rate that makes it fiscally possible we need to choose the best overall solution. The magnitude of what needs to be shipped ( over 6,000 very complex pick and pack orders with a VERY heavy game box ) means that we have to be very careful about whom we work with, how its insured and finally what the final bill comes to.

That being said, I won't know until we are closer to it. But we are exploring many options.

Milana Adamov about 5 hours ago

Great update
Sadly I have to point out that in my country DHL and Fedex (they have freelancer companies here working in their name) will ask not only to pay the price of taxes the same amount that I spent on funding the minis - but one part of the shipment has to be destroyed by law too. So I am literally begging you to send me the minis via US registered mail, since otherwise I will not be able to get them at all.

Creator Kingdom Death about 5 hours ago

@MIlana, If you live in a country where registered mail is the only option, please contact anna and we will make special arrangements. We have had many problems with Russia, Czech republic and a few other places on our wonderfully diverse planet.

Hunter Kelly about 5 hours ago

I'd like to second the comment about A4. Even if there aren't different versions, but the various printable things have been tested with A4, that would be great!

On the shipping issue, will there be a way to mark deliveries as gifts? I've seen other kickstarters do this. It seems to stop the recipient of the gift from getting nailed with customs/taxes/whatever.

Creator Kingdom Death about 4 hours ago

@Hunter Kelly, we will do what our export specialist advises. I cannot promise you we will make any packages as a gift. Im pretty sure the settlement record sheets will look just fine on A4 paper.

That Sunstalker is insanely big! The parcels for this KS are going to be massive if that's an indication of the creature sizes...

Now we know why shipping was so expensive!

I'd love to see a picture of a 'plastic' miniature - hopefully that will happen sometime towards the end of the month.

The resin stuff looks awesome - as usual.

Adam has already more than shown his ability to make fantastic resin models...

I never cease to be amazed at how well the unpainted pin-up models stand up as little pieces of art. I mean, they really remind me of renaissance sculpture.

At this point I think I'd actually be interested in buying a full nude male miniature by one of their sculpters, simply because I think the beauty in the anatomy of it would be so striking.

 cincydooley wrote:
I never cease to be amazed at how well the unpainted pin-up models stand up as little pieces of art. I mean, they really remind me of renaissance sculpture.

At this point I think I'd actually be interested in buying a full nude male miniature by one of their sculpters, simply because I think the beauty in the anatomy of it would be so striking.

...


...


...nope, I got nothin'!

Impressive (and creepy, as intended) model in resin! If Adam's attention to detail continues, as I'm sure it will, these will be some amazing plastic models, as well. It seems like it will take a herculean effort to get it delivered by the end of the year, but people are used to delays with kickstarters by now.

 Alpharius wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
I never cease to be amazed at how well the unpainted pin-up models stand up as little pieces of art. I mean, they really remind me of renaissance sculpture.

At this point I think I'd actually be interested in buying a full nude male miniature by one of their sculpters, simply because I think the beauty in the anatomy of it would be so striking.

...


...


...nope, I got nothin'!

Yeah, it sounds a little questionable. I basically meant to say I'm starting to see them as really fantastic art like one would see Michelangelo's David as art.

Maybe interested isn't the right word so much as "receptive" is

Receptive to miniature naked men? I feel that we should leave this conversation alone...

 Still Standing wrote:
Receptive to miniature naked men? I feel that we should leave this conversation alone...

Why? It's okay if there's tits spilling out everywhere but it's suddenly taboo if its a dude? I love women, but I'm entirely secure enough in my sexuality to appreciate art that includes the naked male form.

To be fair I don't want miniature naked women all over my house either...

Thankfully not many (any?) of these are naked!

I sidetracked this way too much; my bad.

I simply meant to say that these minis are so very close to art now that I wouldn't be repulsed if they did a "male pinup."

We're all friends in here - no problems!

I think we all knew what you were saying, but couldn't resist a little fun at your expense is all!

SO yeah, there's a CMON crossover with KD: M and WoK.

Which led to this exchange in the comments section of KD: M -

Tom about 20 hours ago

Maybe Poots can confirm if the Kingdom Death - verse has a sea? I wonder where all the water goes? Survivors gotta eat 'n' drink!

I actually quite like the idea of KD being on an endless plane of black sea. (With a food chain of sea monsters!) Perhaps it is possible to fall off the edge of the world.

Creator Kingdom Death about 18 hours ago

@Tom, that fiction was written for WOK. It is not cannon to KD. Does Kingdom Death have a sea? You know me, not only do I not like spoilers, but I am also totally obsessed with how things in the world are presented. So... I will just have to say... we will have to wait and SEE!

( sorry i couldn't help myself! now I must finish my china battle suit for when i fly back out to do quality control )

 cincydooley wrote:
I sidetracked this way too much; my bad.

I simply meant to say that these minis are so very close to art now that I wouldn't be repulsed if they did a "male pinup."

I'd agree with that. They're not what most people would consider art, but they're certainly not pornography either. If I had to label them based on their depiction on the male and female forms, it'd be tasteful.

Giant penis monsters not withstanding. Obviously.

Obviously

There are male pinup models. Look at the Chosen, if that isn't a male pinup, I don't know what it is...

The dragon's male form would be more of a male pin-up- I've seen a post or two(not here) where it had a few people "squeeing" over it. The Chosen could be, but it's more of just a buff monster dude, not actually made as a pin-up. I'm sure there might be a few interested in that kind of thing though.

Confirmation that the WoK twilight Knight must be bought with a starter minimum

Leif Paulson 1 minute ago

We have gotten a ton of questions about the Kingdom Death crossover miniatures. To be perfectly clear they are tied to starters, If you want one you have to purchase a faction starter. If you were a KD backer, you can access an additional one. It is tied directly to the number of faction starters you get, so if you are pledging at the Ancient King level, you can buy 5 if you really want. Hopefully that makes sense. So no a la carte menu, you cannot buy them individually. Been working this out for a while now, soonest I could get the info to you.

If anyone doesn't want to buy a WoK starter, I'll put my name in the hat as someone that is willing to buy a TK for you. I'm in the for the ancient king, so I can buy up to 5 apparently.

I don't know if it is News, but found this on TGN:

When you see the pics in the link at the bottom you will see, that they too are now working wih WGF. The Sprue is exactly the same as with Dreamforge and Wyrd Miniatures.

Kingdom Death: Monster release pushed back to Quarter 1 of next year
September 9th, 2013

Kingdom Death has updated their Kickstarter project for Monster to say that they’re having to push back release of the game in order to make the pieces more detailed and of higher quality.

Source

From the update:

I decided long ago to match fans enthusiasm by offering my absolute best. Today that same decision has led me here. To ensure that the entirety of the project is the absolute best I can offer, I must delay it. Additional time will be spent on play testing, expansions, and plastic production. This includes a return trip to China to oversee the final 2-3 weeks of production in person.

If there is any one to blame for this delay, blame me and my absolute refusal to compromise the quality of Kingdom Death. A brand built entirely by fans and now thousands of backers. I have never before rushed anything to market or compromised the vision for this project.

This kickstarter has been an amazing opportunity for Kingdom Death and we will not squander it by simply rushing to the finish line.


Link to the KS, with lots of pics!!!: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/poots/kingdom-death-monster/posts

I hate to say it, but I believe most of the action has moved into the News and Rumors thread- http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/503919.page

This one is a bit split, but, it is certainly relevant here:

Slowing down for Quality
Update #77 · Sep 8, 2013 · 238 comments

I am delaying the project.

This has been an incredibly hard decision to make. Sticking to the timeline and fulfilling the entire project on time was paramount. The backers (you guys!) would be thrilled and the final product would be just in time for new buyers during the holiday shopping season. And I think we all know, that is a big deal for the future of KD.

Kingdom Death fans have been supporting this project for a long time, we consistently sell out of our resin stock and not only did they push me with emails everyday to run a kickstarter… once it was live fans became backers and smashed thru every previous record. During the course of the kickstarter campaign we expanded the planned game from a single 12" x 12" box to a 12" x 24" box, 11 game expansions + over 21 single figures! That's HUGE!

I decided long ago to match fans enthusiasm by offering my absolute best. Today that same decision has led me here. To ensure that the entirety of the project is the absolute best I can offer, I must delay it. Additional time will be spent on play testing, expansions, and plastic production. This includes a return trip to China to oversee the final 2-3 weeks of production in person.

If there is any one to blame for this delay, blame me and my absolute refusal to compromise the quality of Kingdom Death. A brand built entirely by fans and now thousands of backers. I have never before rushed anything to market or compromised the vision for this project.

This kickstarter has been an amazing opportunity for Kingdom Death and we will not squander it by simply rushing to the finish line.

Plastic
After touring and evaluating many options, a deal was struck with an incredibly talented factory and we decided that Kingdom Death deserved the best. Essentially, hard plastic kits on sprues, just like GW and many other companies.

The factory is so impressed with Kingdom Death, they are treating it as a true portfolio piece. Not only has no expense been spared, including staffing up their team and buying a new half a million dollar machine to cut finer mold detail. Their commitment is the real deal, they are pushing themselves to their creative and technological limit to produce these minis and I would have it no other way.

A part of this very time intensive process includes scanning every single precious hand-sculpted miniature and painstakingly re-touching them with digital tools to optimize each sculpt for plastic production.

Of course I have photos to share! But please keep in mind that they are not final and still open to more scrutiny and mastering.








Hard plastic costs considerably more than PVC, both in mold and unit cost. The core game has swelled in size so much that the retail value will rise quite a bit to reflect the value added. When the game is released it will be in the $150-$200 range. That is simply the reality of covering costs on the much larger deluxe box, nearly 700 game cards printed with premium materials, record sheets, game book, two game boards! ( the showdown & hunt board ), tokens, and the huge number of hard plastic miniatures on sprues inside the box.

Some of the larger monster, Lion God, Sunstalker and maybe the Gorm. Might still be best kept in PVC. A direct benefit of the delay is running even more tests to determine which material would best suit them. A hard plastic Sunstalker would be dozens and dozens of parts and spread across a stack of sprues!

Art Upgrade
During the campaign, many backers requested that we come up with an icon for every monster to help further distinguish card types from each other. Instead of making just an icon, we went ahead and designed a full gorgeous crest for every single monster in the core game and every expansion monster. The crests will grace the back of the monsters unique decks and will also appear as an icon on the front of their cards. And yeah, I am totally making a t-shirt of the butcher crest.



Story Events

The story event system and the new timeline have been so well received by play testers. We are refining it further and adding more. The originally planned 19 full page illustrations for the game book has blossomed to well over 30. ( maybe around 40?) Many of the expansions are getting an art boost too. Details will come down the pipeline later. Here are some quick WIP shots ( these actually just came in 5 mins ago! ) of some of the additional illustrations going into the core game book :







Oh that reminds me, I don't think I've shown the artwork for the Mask Maker yet! Here it is below.



How long is the delay?

Initially fulfillment was planned for Q4 2013, with operations beginning late November. Now we are looking at Q1 2014. I will have a firmer date once everything is loaded onto cargo boats and headed for our warehouse.

Poots' Crappy Painting!
Part of the process of quality checking the plastics… is actually taking a brush to an assembled kit! I want to ensure that the details are not too soft and get obscured by paint too easily. I am in no way a good or even great painter, but even I can tell the difference between a challenging detail and one that not polished enough on the manufacturing end. Faces need to be crisp and edges need to be sharp! Here is a photo of my WIP hard plastic dragon sacrifice that I have shared with the factory. Maybe when I finish It I'll share it with you guys again.



I appreciate everyone's tremendous support. I'm still very grateful for this incredible opportunity. It has been a little crazy at times and it certainly has had its challenges. Doing right by the brand and keeping the quality high is the right choice. By popular request, we will be updating more frequently with smaller updates so we can bring everyone along with us as we wrap up.

!!!

Thank you,
- Poots

So, given the revelations here, you can email them to unlock your pledge and add more stuff.

Also:

Creator Kingdom Death about 8 hours ago

@Larabic, You can add. And I know this is gonna sound crazy but... we can only keep it open and take requests for a short window. We have to, HAVE to get back to the normal daily schedule. if you do, keep in mind that your entire pledge has to be re-done - so remember what you had in there!

Re-opened and double my pledge >.>. My poor, poor wallet.

 lucasbuffalo wrote:
Re-opened and double my pledge >.>. My poor, poor wallet.

Dare I ask - doubled to what?

 Alpharius wrote:

 lucasbuffalo wrote:
Re-opened and double my pledge >.>. My poor, poor wallet.

Dare I ask - doubled to what?

To 450

Yikes. I'm still higher than that.... Oi vey what am I doing

We went in for all the expansions, all the characters that offered even just one mission or equipment card and my brother wanted all the plastic pin-ups when the pledge manager became available. Toss in shipping and we're well, I don't even want to know now how far beyond the original $700 we are..

 cincydooley wrote:
Yikes. I'm still higher than that.... Oi vey what am I doing

Yeah, me too - yikes!

Still, I have the 'benefit' of not having to add anything on at this point.

I was already pretty much all in for plastic everything as it is!

*stretches arms out* I'm not in this at all, my wallet is feeling pretty fantastic

Yeah...with the stuff I added the last time around I ended up in BrookM's original territory so...thanks for making me look like less of a plastic addict! Even if your pledge is technically for two people......

All things considered, I think I'm good with where I'm at after reviewing my receipt. The only thing I'd maybe add is more rawhide and basic survivors, but since we're getting 8 of each of them in the core box, I don't know that I love them THAT much to have them unlock the pledge manager to get more.

Still, March 2014 (end of Q1, no crystal ball gazing here) only gets closer from here on out, no matter how much it feels like it's getting farther away...

I guess its just the worry that some people will end up with female legs/arms/torsos for their male character if you only have two lots of the said pieces in your collection and were playing with a largely one-sex group (which totally doesn't happen right...)

Looking through the list I think the only armour sets where this would be an issue at Survivour level is Fur, Leather, Dragon, Lantern, Spider and Gorm. I don't think leather is an option to expand on and only if you are getting certain expansions (and who isn't getting the radiation inducing Dragon King?!) will affect the amount of armour that could be required.

I guess it would have been good to know how likely it is you are to be able to make multiple types of gear (I can't imagine Phoenixes go down easily) before purchasing, but for that you'd need to wait until retail for people to review and advise.

i guess if you are using magnets, it becomes a little less of an issue.

Tantalizing tidbits...

Creator Kingdom Death about 18 hours ago

Settlement wipe yesterday, an enraged, ground fighting level 2 lion wiped out two hunting teams in a row. How the cards lined up to make that exact combination twice in a row... augh isolated statistics be damned!

Funny enough, if we had grabbed those darts or the whisker harp we would have been fine. But nuuuuu everyone had to spend their resources on silly things like better weapons and fancy armor. -_-

Creator Kingdom Death about 4 hours ago

Butcher forced 2 Survivors into retirement today. Blinded one with 2 seperate critical injuries to the head, took one eye the first time, then the other a few rounds later. The other took a blow to the head that left them slowed and unable to gain or spend survival points anymore so... yeah. That's two benchwarmers. Thankfully our group was pretty prepared and we managed to push thru.

But... it was only a lvl 1 butcher. The level 2 will be knocking on our door in around 3-4 lantern years if the nemesis rolls favor us! That's not a lot of time to get ready.

One thing I'm worried about (and have been for a while but these tidbits are beginning to confirm my suspicions) is that players are going to find themselves playing a whole lot of early game and very little late game.

What I mean is, if the game is as challenging and unforgiving as it's supposed to be (and I really hope it is) then it's going to take a long time for the players to ever face things like the Dragon King or the Gorm. Those of us who spent loads of money on this project may see very little in-game use out of most of the expansions.

This is not to say that I feel tricked or even disappointed. Even if the game is entirely unplayable, I'll be content with the quality models. Plus, I knew going in that these were end game bosses and that I was basically purchasing a variety of endgames. But I am worried that I may get bored of the "easy" monsters in my quest to experience all of the tougher stuff.

I guess what I'm really hoping for is expansions that focus less on the powerful baddies (even the flower knight and manhunter seem like pretty formidable opponents) and more on giving us a large variety of small things closer to the scale of the white lion, antelope, and kingsmen.

But then again that's pretty much all wild speculation and I could be entirely off base.

Maybe you can use house rules to start the game at a later "save point" in order to face the tough stuff? Either that or just cheat through the small stuff.

I personally doubt I will ever play the game at all. It sounds incredibly tedious and depressing. Thankfully, the models I'm getting look fabulous.

I think everything is pretty formidable, so think of the expansions in general as more different things to encounter

(except of course the end game changers like the Dragon King & Adult Sunstalker)

but only Adam and his playtester know

From what I understand, if your character "dies", all their equipment remains. All you do is take the gear you've built, reduce the settlement's population by one, and you get a new character with all the equipment of the old one.

A settlement wipe only occurs after all players run out of the communal pile of "extra lives". It's a great mechanic that encourages spreading the loot, sharing, and protecting your allies. Their failures affect you.

You're encouraged to keep your individual character alive through "survival points", but as far as progression goes, equipment is a huge factor.

In the end, you won't necessarily be playing through a bunch of early games. A character death or even a party wipe isn't the end; it's just a setback.

 Absolutionis wrote:
From what I understand, if your character "dies", all their equipment remains. All you do is take the gear you've built, reduce the settlement's population by one, and you get a new character with all the equipment of the old one.

A settlement wipe only occurs after all players run out of the communal pile of "extra lives". It's a great mechanic that encourages spreading the loot, sharing, and protecting your allies. Their failures affect you.

You're encouraged to keep your individual character alive through "survival points", but as far as progression goes, equipment is a huge factor.

In the end, you won't necessarily be playing through a bunch of early games. A character death or even a party wipe isn't the end; it's just a setback.

That's the way I see it too - as long as you can keep your population up, things should be OK.

Or as "OK" as possible in the grim and perilous world of...Kingdom Death!

More playtest tidbits!

Creator Kingdom Death about 12 hours ago

Just had a bunch of fresh players run a closed box test. They table erupted in cheers when the final blow to the intro white lion, was a critical hit to the groin! However, they did lose 1 survivor in the fight, then another 2 on a botched roll on the intimacy table and sadly their Settlement "Ballox" rolled the lowest possible score for initial population generation. Leaving just 5 survivors going into year 2!

The botched 'intimacy roll' sounds funny, and I think this was the result:

Creator Kingdom Death about 12 hours ago

On a roll of 1, both survivors nominated decide to vanish into the darkness.

That's just hilarious. I can see some people getting upset about it though.

Adam dropped this bit of art in the comments yesterday



to be used as the art on a double sided luck token

Creator Kingdom Death about 15 hours ago

Heya Guys, Just wanted to let you know that I have been in contact with Kai ( of cipher studios ) and if the artist is ok with it, we are going to make some adjustments to the Cross over Helldorado Twilight Knight to make it more appealing to both fans. I personally felt that for HD it was fine, but I can see why some KD fans have some issues with her.

A creator, listening to customer feedback and criticism, and making adjustments if he feels they are necessary?

Now granted, this may have only been possible as the Helldorado version of the Twilight Knight was at no more than 80% complete, maybe...

I see what you did there.....

Interesting tidbit here:

Creator Kingdom Death 2 days ago

@Agusky, I will not be releasing the rulebook in PDF format, my apologies. It would undermine too many core design choices that have carried the project and brand this far. Currently, things are far too hectic for me to consider any other language version outside of english. Nailing down game rules that are readable, understandable and also mechanical is very hard. Look at MTG for example, they have been writing rules and cards for the same game for over 20 years and they are still striving for perfection.

I promise you, once I get my heads out of the woods here I will look into translations so that in the event the game is popular enough and it warrants more production runs I can pull the trigger on it. But as you know a poor translation can do a lot more damage then good and like everything else I am just not comfortable releasing anything that I don't feel is as close to perfect as I can manage.

Strange that he decided against a PDF version of the rules. You still can't play the game without the cards.

I'm quite glad there is going to be no PDF. Games like Malifaux and Gods of War are weakened by freely (if you know where to look) available PDF downloads. I like that Poots is sticking to his artistic vision of a super high quality product. A PDF book printed at work is not super high quality...

 Still Standing wrote:
I'm quite glad there is going to be no PDF. Games like Malifaux and Gods of War are weakened by freely (if you know where to look) available PDF downloads. I like that Poots is sticking to his artistic vision of a super high quality product. A PDF book printed at work is not super high quality...

The Malifaux rules were freely available from Wyrd... How is that weakened by the distribution of knowledge?

 Still Standing wrote:
I'm quite glad there is going to be no PDF. Games like Malifaux and Gods of War are weakened by freely (if you know where to look) available PDF downloads. I like that Poots is sticking to his artistic vision of a super high quality product. A PDF book printed at work is not super high quality...

I dont see how his product could be hurt by a PDF version. It's sometimes more convenient to look at the rules on a tablet(such as using a search function). Unless he's worried about offering the games art for free, or releasing a PDF without it.

Alfndrate wrote:

 Still Standing wrote:
I'm quite glad there is going to be no PDF. Games like Malifaux and Gods of War are weakened by freely (if you know where to look) available PDF downloads. I like that Poots is sticking to his artistic vision of a super high quality product. A PDF book printed at work is not super high quality...

The Malifaux rules were freely available from Wyrd... How is that weakened by the distribution of knowledge?

Sinful Hero wrote:

 Still Standing wrote:
I'm quite glad there is going to be no PDF. Games like Malifaux and Gods of War are weakened by freely (if you know where to look) available PDF downloads. I like that Poots is sticking to his artistic vision of a super high quality product. A PDF book printed at work is not super high quality...

I dont see how his product could be hurt by a PDF version. It's sometimes more convenient to look at the rules on a tablet(such as using a search function). Unless he's worried about offering the games art for free, or releasing a PDF without it.

What seems like a higher quality product? A free to download PDF, or a good quality printed book on nice paper with embossed covers. Perception is everything.

 Still Standing wrote:

Alfndrate wrote:

 Still Standing wrote:
I'm quite glad there is going to be no PDF. Games like Malifaux and Gods of War are weakened by freely (if you know where to look) available PDF downloads. I like that Poots is sticking to his artistic vision of a super high quality product. A PDF book printed at work is not super high quality...

The Malifaux rules were freely available from Wyrd... How is that weakened by the distribution of knowledge?

Sinful Hero wrote:

 Still Standing wrote:
I'm quite glad there is going to be no PDF. Games like Malifaux and Gods of War are weakened by freely (if you know where to look) available PDF downloads. I like that Poots is sticking to his artistic vision of a super high quality product. A PDF book printed at work is not super high quality...

I dont see how his product could be hurt by a PDF version. It's sometimes more convenient to look at the rules on a tablet(such as using a search function). Unless he's worried about offering the games art for free, or releasing a PDF without it.

What seems like a higher quality product? A free to download PDF, or a good quality printed book on nice paper with embossed covers. Perception is everything.

Why not both? It would allow people to check out te game before buying at least, and he stil has the hardcopy for the ones who buy the game. Not to mention you don't have to worry about dog-eared pages or a bent spine on your high quality book.

 Still Standing wrote:
What seems like a higher quality product? A free to download PDF, or a good quality printed book on nice paper with embossed covers. Perception is everything.

You sir get the triple facepalm. The development of the rulebook is probably going like this:
Poots writes, creates, and develops the rulebook in Adobe InDesign
Poots sends rough drafts back and forth to editors (if he has any)
Poots sends the now finalized InDesign file to company that will be printing the rulebook

He could literally add 1 step:
Poots clicks the button to generate that InDesign as a PDF and has PDF of the rulebook. Design quality of the pdf is exactly the same as rulebook because they're from the same sources file

NOW whether or not he wishes to do it is up to him, but to say that a free to download PDF is somehow a dip in production value is disingenuous to companies that have put out high quality PDFs of their rulebooks. And believe it or not, there are people that prefer PDFs over another book (no matter how big or small it is)

A PDF for a BOARD GAME? =.=

 Still Standing wrote:
A PDF for a BOARD GAME? =.=

Ah, I see you haven't heard of Fantasy Flight Games then.

Moving on...

Creator Kingdom Death 3 days ago

@Victor Garrison,

Yep, I will be making several videos to help people play. Starting with a explanation / play thru of the games tutorial and then a few other drilling down into the more technical / mechanical aspects of the game.

When exactly can a player spend a survival and dash and how does interrupting monster turns / other actions work. Etc.

We also have future plans for putting together a searchable online Addendum. Which will include bizarre user scenarios and how to resolve them. And in the case that someone does not understand our perfect description of any given rule, we can offer additional explanations for it with this system.

Alph ninja'd me and Brook said what I said.

 Still Standing wrote:
A PDF for a BOARD GAME? =.=

Board games stil have rulebooks, not to mention any fluff he might add to it. Of course if it's going to be more lke a story book I can understand why he might be reluctant to release a PDF.

I can perhaps understand his hesitation with the game so (relatively) far off. I know there's a lot of "proprietary" type things that he's done with this game that he doesn't want to get ninja'd, as it were.

I'd still really appreciate a PDF of the rules in the future, though, because, well, iPads....

He better not make a PDF. or sell it to those people. I feel it would diminish the quality of the game for me if those people were allowed nice things.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
He better not make a PDF. or sell it to those people. I feel it would diminish the quality of the game for me if those people were allowed nice things.

Oh, I'm right with you. Certainly don't want those people getting their hands on the rules. That wouldn't be good for anyone.

Honestly, there isn't a ton of onus for him to make a PDF of the rules available until after all the stuff for the KS people ship, as the intial print run, and correct me if i'm wrong on this, is for the KS backers only?

re-worked Twilight Knight on the right

(looks to have been made taller check the space below the sword hilt, and had something done around the face)

KD is gonna be selling these thru the site as well, correct?

Doesn't seem like they did any very noticeable changes to her. I assumed it would be redesigned from the ground up. I may have just been expecting too much though.

Could be the angle but it looks like he just scaled back her arms and scaled the sword handle down a bit too.

Either the arms are slightly shorter or the angle at which the arms have been attached has been tweaked.

Yeah. The original had a left arm that went down to her knee. The new redesign seems to have a left arm that goes down to a more realistic mid-thigh.

Hello everyone! It's been over a month since our last update where we finally unveiled the material miniatures will be produced in and discussed our delay. For us it's been intense! Long 18-hour days, constant play testing groups, copy editing and pushing ourselves to further tweak and refine every aspect of the project.

Initially I had planned on keeping everyone up to date with smaller weekly updates, but there wasn't anything significant to share and I really don't want to spam peoples inboxes! This will shift in the upcoming months as milestones are reached and there's more to share. Things definitely aren't quite but we're working through a big stretch which will yield lots of news soon.

Pledge Manager Upgrade!
You can update your shipping address directly from the pledge manager now! Here is the direct link: https://kingdomdeath.com/address/address_change.php

Production Update
We've had a pretty big change in the workflow. Originally, I was delivering files and resin masters to the factory and they were responsible for fully preparing the parts for plastic production. However, once production started and we spent countless hours going back and forth over details, we decided it would be best to make a major shift. The KDM project has now invested a significant chunk into a special software license so that I can personally review and tweak miniatures with the KD sculpting team before they are committed to production. The new workflow gives myself and our artists much greater quality control.

Here is an image showing some of the armor kit mastering, its a long detailed oriented process me and the KD team is now handling.



Then the talented engineers can focus on what they do best, which is preparing the figures for molding. This part of the process is very much like a puzzle, since with hard plastic molds there is no tolerance for undercuts at all. In some cases details need to be changed to meet the requirements of the draft angle and make production a reality.

Graphical Evolution
Anna is gonna kill me If I keep upgrading designs… but so long as there is time I just can't help myself! You can see here the mood / trait cards are now much easier to identify.



Oh my! I don't think I've shown you guys what one of the hit location cards looks like!



Effects of the Delay!

Upgraded Tokens - Originally the positive and negative attribute tokens had a simple text design. Since there's time Lokman illustrated a unique piece of art that embodies each attribute! I don't wanna spoil them all, so here are a couple of em.



Monster Crests - Here are some of the other monster Crests that the delay allowed us to include!



Mask Miniatures for the Core Game - Hector has wrapped up all the masks and they will now be included in the core game as a big thanks to everyone. There will be one of each in the core set, not exactly sure which sprue they will end up on yet tho.



Lion Knight Expansion Upgrade - Just another little detail the delay has allowed us to include, The Lion Knight expansion will now include a male and female armor kit compatible head and corresponding holy mask gear card.



Core game rulebook upgrades - We've added a section to the rulebook that talks about KDM's unique game play concepts. I loved this section… so we went back in and added more art to it! We also fleshed out a few more things and are up to oh… 40ish story events? This means the rulebook is pushing around 140+ pages now!



Quick Playtest Highlights

- Survivor spends 13 survival points in a single turn, attempting to flurry the Butcher to death. On the very last attack, his axe breaks and the Butcher ends up wiping the party a few rounds later.

- A Lvl 2 lion seemed to have an affinity for pulling the legs off its victims! Two dismembered legs later, it faced down its final target, a dual katar wielding survivor that managed to hold out and bring it down to its last 2 wounds before dying heroically.

- A settlement reduced to a single person decided to play it out, luckily they drew "Stranger in the Dark", which increased their population by one! This boon however, was met with instant tragedy as one of the two survivors discovered that the lanterns could be used to produce heat and badly burned their body! Mistaken for a flesh monster, the survivor was banished… reducing the population to 1 again!

- Hunting party critically injures an antelope causing it to constantly vomit blood from its large under maw. The effect of this is actually good, it gives bonus insanity to every survivor it passes over (vomiting blood on them of course) and due to the way the AI cards landed, it ended up running over the group several times before they broke out of its combo! Now officially the insane-est party to date.

Worldwide Shipping Stuff
No update yet and there will not be a firm update until we know the exact dimensions and weight of every package. We do not and cannot be expected to control the policies of every unique region and we must meet certain legal requirements to protect ourselves. Once we have isolated the exact fulfillment procedure that we will be using, we will let everyone know. Until then, all I can do is assure you were are exploring every option that comes our way.

Finally, to answer a recurring question.
KDM hired a professional copy editor and no, she doesn't check these updates (she might die after reading one). She's busy checking hundreds and hundreds of cards.

... Gonna sneak in some extra content now!!!!!!!!!!

Aya Origin Comic!
Lokman and I are having a blast working on this!



This Armor Kit mastering image came in while I was writing the update. It shows one of the many methods we are using to check all the sockets with as much scrutiny as possible.



Dragon KIng!?
I think the Dragon King is the most asked about expansion. I do very much like him, but he is not my personal favorite. (I just don't understand why the Dung Beetle Knight isn't everyones favorite like mine! ) Anyway, his sculpt... honestly? I am just not fully satisfied with it. This Dragon has had quite the legacy and I will share the whole story once I do have a version I am totally in love with and feel GREAT committing the huge amount of resources such a large kit will require. But until then, until I have something I am totally proud of to share. He will remain out of the spotlight.

I actually had Danny Cruz do a little art pass and we are incorporating some of his vision into the new final. Which I will share when its ready.



I also got the resin Sunstalker Dancer!

I don't know about any of you, but I'm starting to kick mysef for not getting a Sunstalker Dancer.

I can't remember if I got one or not...

And:

Creator Kingdom Death 37 minutes ago

@HappyWulf, for the sake of of time. We are not currently allowing backers to increase their pledge. I know it sounds crazy! But we really need to keep our nose down in work for now.

Creator Kingdom Death 38 minutes ago

@Ian, The rules are currently around 20 pages, the tutorial is 14 ( its very graphic heavy) and the story pages amount to around... 90? Each story event is a full spread. Full page art on the left page, rules on the right page. The format really bulks the book up!

As a child of the 70s/80s, these updates remind me of how I felt waiting for the 1st new Star Wars movie. I just hope there's no Jar Jar Binks in KD to destroy that...unless of course he is devoured on the first page of the story.

>_>

I'm sure there are words in this thread I need to eat, but god danged am I sad I didn't get in on this KS...

 Alfndrate wrote:
>_>

I'm sure there are words in this thread I need to eat, but god danged am I sad I didn't get in on this KS...

Don't worry! They'll eventually find their way to the KD store where they will sell out in 20 minutes at 6AM.

 Sinful Hero wrote:
I don't know about any of you, but I'm starting to kick mysef for not getting a Sunstalker Dancer.

I actually had to go look to see if I was getting one, and I am but not resin. The sneak peak of a pin-up in the last update doesn't make it seem like there's a massive fall-off though.

So assuming there's no further delays (this is a very dangerous assumption with any KS, I know), only five months to the shinies!

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
>_>

I'm sure there are words in this thread I need to eat, but god danged am I sad I didn't get in on this KS...

Don't worry! They'll eventually find their way to the KD store where they will sell out in 20 minutes at 6AM.

So true :( I managed to get the last release only by getting it immediately on my phone!

 shamikebab wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
>_>

I'm sure there are words in this thread I need to eat, but god danged am I sad I didn't get in on this KS...

Don't worry! They'll eventually find their way to the KD store where they will sell out in 20 minutes at 6AM.

So true :( I managed to get the last release only by getting it immediately on my phone!

The Twilight Knight pin-up remains ever elusive for me. Actually that's what got me to hop in; the prospect of having some form of the Twilight Knight prompted spending enough to buy a couple dozen...well, in a world where they were regularly stocked anway.

 Krinsath wrote:

 shamikebab wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
>_>

I'm sure there are words in this thread I need to eat, but god danged am I sad I didn't get in on this KS...

Don't worry! They'll eventually find their way to the KD store where they will sell out in 20 minutes at 6AM.

So true :( I managed to get the last release only by getting it immediately on my phone!

The Twilight Knight pin-up remains ever elusive for me. Actually that's what got me to hop in; the prospect of having some form of the Twilight Knight prompted spending enough to buy a couple dozen...well, in a world where they were regularly stocked anway.

In conventions at the Coolminiornot booth, they usually bring along a bunch of different KD stuff(or they do at Gencon at least). That's how I've managed to grab all my KD stuff(such as the Twilight Knight pin-up).

Another fething amazing update that gives me a nice glimpse at what I will be getting next year, RH, this is how you do it, eat your hearts out.

 Krinsath wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:
I don't know about any of you, but I'm starting to kick mysef for not getting a Sunstalker Dancer.

I actually had to go look to see if I was getting one, and I am but not resin. The sneak peak of a pin-up in the last update doesn't make it seem like there's a massive fall-off though.

So assuming there's no further delays (this is a very dangerous assumption with any KS, I know), only five months to the shinies!

I can't remember the revised shipping date - wasn't it "Q1 2014" though?

So, I wouldn't be surprised if that slipped into April or Q2 2014 at all...

 Alpharius wrote:

 Krinsath wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:
I don't know about any of you, but I'm starting to kick mysef for not getting a Sunstalker Dancer.

I actually had to go look to see if I was getting one, and I am but not resin. The sneak peak of a pin-up in the last update doesn't make it seem like there's a massive fall-off though.

So assuming there's no further delays (this is a very dangerous assumption with any KS, I know), only five months to the shinies!

I can't remember the revised shipping date - wasn't it "Q1 2014" though?

So, I wouldn't be surprised if that slipped into April or Q2 2014 at all...

I believe he said March no?
November, December, January, February, and March make 5.

March is the last month in Q1 2014, which is indeed what I based my "five months" statement on so everyone's a winner!

Of course, being a KS I am fully expecting a "well, we have MOST of the stuff in, but shipping won't start until mid-April/May" sort of email because stuff always goes awry. But I'm trying to ignore reality as long as possible here damnit!

 Krinsath wrote:
March is the last month in Q1 2014, which is indeed what I based my "five months" statement on so everyone's a winner!

Of course, being a KS I am fully expecting a "well, we have MOST of the stuff in, but shipping won't start until mid-April/May" sort of email because stuff always goes awry. But I'm trying to ignore reality as long as possible here damnit!

Yeah, out of all the kickstarters I've backed(over 10, can't remember right now), only 2 have kept to their deadline.

He said Q1 2014 but I keep telling myself and my brother that it might still take some time for it to reach us good and proper. But with updates like these, I personally don't mind one bit in all honesty, as we can clearly see what's going on and that he is using the delay to good effect to put the finishing touches on this and adding extra gubbins to that.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

Yeah, out of all the kickstarters I've backed(over 10, can't remember right now), only 2 have kept to their deadline.

I feel like we should start keeping a thread like that......

Yeah, I assume it won't start shipping until March,with most delivering in April. I'm also curious if thats just the core or also all the expansions.

 cincydooley wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

Yeah, out of all the kickstarters I've backed(over 10, can't remember right now), only 2 have kept to their deadline.

I feel like we should start keeping a thread like that......

Granted, I didn't just kickstart miniature games, but also comics, music, and pen/paper RPGs

It's all happiness, peace and love

until the first few posts about how people have got their games, and how great they are

then the 'OMG have I been forgotten' and 'My friend has his, why not ME' posts will start showing up

snigger

I meant with a layout sorta like this:

Ogre Designers Edition
Steve Jackson Games
KS Funding Date: 11 May 2012
Total Funding: $923,680 USD
Total Backers: 5512
Estimated Delivery Date: November 2012
Actual Delivery Date: TBD

It would be an interesting way to track who is delivering on time, what the average delay is, etc.

That would be interesting.

Looks like you volunteered too, so thanks for that!

I wouldn't mind...but is there a good way here to do a list where you can comment under each item? Or Do I do it as an article?

An article would probably be best, but I've no skills in that particular Dakka Department!

Adam on KS comments



Quick little image here:

- Unarmored Head
- Lion Chest
- Unarmored Legs
- Unarmored Arms

From Adam in the KS comments

He's decided to junk the Dragon King sculpt he's got in hand as it's not working for him, and he can't justify spending the $60,000 the mould will cost unless the figure is perfect

So Thomas David will hand sculpt a new version, intended to be 14cm high to the top of the head (not the horns)

14cm!?!?? And Thomas David. Oh wow. My pants just got a little tight. Could only be more excited if it was Carrasco or Roberto!

There is an update coming tomorrow (Friday):

Next update will be next friday, aka black friday! And yes, their is no tracking on first class international, the number there is just the label number. We didn't realize that ship station was sending out automated messages until after the sale rush was over. Just some growing pains as we switched to the new platform.

More plastic test shots and something about a monster control panel:

In the next update, monster control panel! And also more photos of test plastic shots.

Awww yis, update coming tomorrow?

Monster control panel? Maybe an app that automates the monster for you?

Where is the KD Black Friday 'sale' info listed?

Update!

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/poots/kingdom-death-monster/posts/678369?ref=activity

And pictures! Go to the link.

Tons of pictures of plastic pinups, sprues, cards, renders, gameplay, etc.

BLACK FRIDAY LAUNCH ANNIVERSARY UPDATE!
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Hello Backers,

One year ago today, I pushed the button that launched Kingdom Death: Monster and my humble life of making boutique miniatures was turned upside down! The memories of that very first day are flooding back to me. The excitement and the enthusiasm of you backers has kept me pushing out 16 hour work days for a full year now!

Thank you! Now let's get to the update!

I am pushing the estimated fulfillment of the project back to Q2 2014.
While its actually still possible we hit the tail end of Q1 ( march ) I am giving us a little breathing room in case something fails to meet my high requirements or part of the shipments get stuck in customs. I am just being super duper honest with you guys, we will have to see how it goes and I will keep everyone updated at milestone moments as we continue to move forward.

EU Fulfillment
Will not be finalized until everything is checked and packed in our warehouse. Once we have all the final numbers I will finalize the best way to ship everything. Our current plan is to pack every single reward box and then work with a shipping company to pick everything up, bulk import it and then ship it all from a single point in the EU with a customs declaration equal to the reward level. We are exploring all options to make this as ideal as possible for EU backers. Please be aware that this plan is subject to change.

Kingdom Death Plastic
Hard plastic kits are a huge amount of work. At this point I've been working two 8 hour jobs everyday, for a year. 2pm - 10pm it's game rules, print and design work. From 10pm-6am its on Skype with my project manager in China. It's been truly intense as we scrutinize every single cut and just about every detail of the entire range. Our goal is for every plastic miniature to be the best it can be and all that time and effort of both teams is finally crystalizing into the form of Kingdom Death plastic miniatures. Many of my friends can't tell the difference between the resin & plastic versions until I hand them a macro lens camera.

Also, Black Friday people:
http://shop.kingdomdeath.com/

KD:M Kickstarter Black Friday Only, Late Backers are welcome
Every day, our inboxes are stuffed with a variety of people asking to become backers. For this black friday only (November 29), we have decide to make our final exception, the last back door pass, the absolute final opportunity to become a very late supporter of the Kingdom Death:Monster kickstarter. If people miss this, they will have to wait until our warehouse is full, backer fulfillment is underway and we open pre-orders based on final retail prices.

We have three mega late pledge options. Late backers will not have access to the pledge manager. It's the only way to do this and keep things manageable for us. Late backers will be added to a separate late backer fulfillment list and will be emailed when we have KS updates. Late backers will get all post delay upgrades.

1. Bronze - Survivor Level
2. Silver - Survivor Level + All Expansions
2. Gold - Survivor Level + All Expansions, Plastic Promos & Plastic Pinups.

Available here

Wrap Up
As bits and pieces of the project finally begin to wrap up… I just can't describe how excited I am. We have had so many wonderful play-test groups and so many survivors have already met their demise on the cold stone-faced floor. Once you guys finally have the game and its many expansions in hand, I can't wait to hear all about how everyone's best survivor met their ultimate end!

I think the website will definitely need a death counter of some sort… with unlockable content at certain milestones? Hmmmmmmm… Ok I had better stop thinking about that for now, so I can focus on everything that needs to happen now.

The next BIG update should be late into December. Dunno if I will be able to squeeze a small one out in between now and then, depends on how demanding the next 2 weeks are.

Thank you all again. Thank you for your support, thank you for your patience and most of all thank you for being awesome! Kingdom Death backers are the greatest backers there have ever been!!! I am doing everything I possibly can to make sure the Kingdom Death experience is the greatest we can muster!!!

$190 for the base game
$510 for the Game + Expansions
$795 for the Game + Expansions + Everything else

Also, a Grab Bag of Death:
http://shop.kingdomdeath.com/collections/in-stock/products/black-friday-black-grab-bag-of-death

A chance to mine the hidden history of Kingdom Death. Along the way, this project has yielded some models that while lovely, will not be sold or produced. We've also amassed an enormous collection of miscasts and incomplete figures that cannot be sold but with a little love from an ambitious modeller could be great for conversions or hobby projects.
We have put together a grab bag containing an assortment of KD history. The photos show grab bag #0017 and its contents. After photographing, all the parts were returned to the bag and it was added to the lot.
Grab bags are not created equally and include:

1 random never-to-be-released figure (complete and well cast)
- Great Game Hunter early variant
- Mother early variant
- Male Savior early variant

An assortment of roughly 4 figures either almost complete or some parts miscast:
- Preacher pinup
- Preacher pinup 54mm
- Original Forsaker
- Forsaker pinup
- White Speaker pinup
- Blessed One
- White Speaker Koshka
- Preacher
- Savior
- Relic Knight early variant
- Order Knight early variant
- Surprise Bits!!
- ?????


PLEASE NOTE:
4 figures may include miscast or missing parts.These will not be replaced or refunded. Final Sale!!
Grab bags are random. We cannot pack grab bags per requests.
Limit 2 per customer. Please be respectful of the spirit these are offered in, share the love! We reserve the right to refund any orders containing too many grab bags.

Heh, I've already gone in on a grab bag and rounded out my pin-ups.

By the way, from the newly posted comments;


Looking at these plastic test shots I can imagine catching pokemon fever... seriously though, if this level of detail really translates to the model in hand, I think this will represent a real high water mark in miniatures. The sharpness of inorganic elements has always been taken as a given for plastic, but this level of quality in smooth organic shapes (oh so smooth indeed)? Amazing.

Most of the pinups I'm not that fond of, but I do like Beyond the Wall. If they're going to let us add on eventually, I may throw that one in. Those plastics all look great though.

Also, did you have to tell me that there's mystery bags available? I haven't purchased any direct from Poots before, but those mystery bags are really tempting.

Those figures are looking great. Didn't go in for the game, but glad I went in on several plastic figures. Agree Buzzsaw, these are going to serve as a great example of plastic figs. Poots wasn't kidding when WGF said they wanted to make this link their best product ever.

Grabbed a Dung Knight and grab bag for the sale. May regret it latter when more stuff comes up, but still curious to see what I get

And now to see if that rear shot of the Lantern Pinup ends up in the Depiction of Women thread

Sad to hear it is getting pushed back even further, especially with me being in the EU, but feth it, he's open and honest about this and as passionate as a year ago to see this through to the end, not to mention Poots giving us extra stuff to make up for this, unlike a certain French company.

Great to get a chance to get in on the KS Went for Bronze in the end.

Contemplating one of those grab-bags.

On one hand, it's really luck of the draw, both for what you get, and the quality of what you get, being composed partly of miscasts and all. But on the other hand, these are KD randoms, meaning you're bound to get something good anyway, and these are KD miscasts, which means they're probably neater than most finished models.

In for gold, I would wish kickstarter aspirants take notice on this and what Cthulhu wars actually did and the last two days create a "get everything" pledge, the only reason I didn't pledge for this was I could not figure out what I needed to buy the information was overwhelming, no surprise the reason I a backed Cthulhu wars was the fact they created a "get everything" pledge at the last days.

I suppose this additional delay isn't too surprising - though it is disappointing!

Q2 2014 most likely means June 2014 too...

He's going to catch some heat, but the quality of the plastic miniatures - wow!

He's really raising the bar for...just about everyone else now!

Everyone's going to want in at WGF too now - if they weren't already!

I still have high hopes that Poots will deliver before RH!

The grab bags are already sold out...

 BrookM wrote:
I still have high hopes that Poots will deliver before RH!

I would bet a dollar that we won't see all the 3D renders from RH before Poots delivers.....

You've got to love the good news/bad news announcement that we'll be able to add more stuff on to our pledges sometime next year!

Good news - this stuff looks really, really good - and even though I already bought just about everything...I'm sure there's more I'd like to add on now!

Bad news - there goes more money to Adam and Company!

I just hope it delivers before I have to move again.

 Alpharius wrote:
I suppose this additional delay isn't too surprising - though it is disappointing!

Q2 2014 most likely means June 2014 too...

He's going to catch some heat, but the quality of the plastic miniatures - wow!

He's really raising the bar for...just about everyone else now!

Everyone's going to want in at WGF too now - if they weren't already!

He actually spoke to it in the KS. He still expects to deliver in March, but he's pushing the Q2 In the event that something takes longer than it should. If everything hits the present deadlines with no problems, it's March. If there are any QC issues, it'll slip.

gak happens and stuff. :-)

I think it is safe to say Q1 at the earliest for the US and most certainly Q2 for rest of world. But, he made a good point, better to ship RoW when it's all there instead of piecemeal. I just hope CMON doesn't feth this up.

 BrookM wrote:
I think it is safe to say Q1 at the earliest for the US and most certainly Q2 for rest of world. But, he made a good point, better to ship RoW when it's all there instead of piecemeal. I just hope CMON doesn't feth this up.

They will find a way I'm sure lol

 BrookM wrote:
I think it is safe to say Q1 at the earliest for the US and most certainly Q2 for rest of world. But, he made a good point, better to ship RoW when it's all there instead of piecemeal. I just hope CMON doesn't feth this up.

CMON is not involved in any of it so we are OK from that perspective

They aren't 'helping' with the distribution?

Believe me, they can still feth things up in my books/

I just got in the Survivor level from the Black Friday sale, and am more on board than I thought possible! I could not have been less interested in the style when I dipped into the Kickstarter a couple of times while it was running, but I now see that those must have been especially "pinup-heavy" phases. It was really almost 2 different Kickstarters - one to develop a boardgame, another to develop a line of pinup collectibles, and it was a phenomenally successful approach.

The base game actually looks quite reasonable - far more of a genuine survival horror than I was getting from the models alone. And looking back through the updates, the level of communication and passion Adam has is near-unmatched in any Kickstarters I've come across! Only a little miffed that I missed out on the Latern Festival expansion (which seems to be a crucial part of the story), as it looks like this will never actually hit retail, right?

Welcome to the bandwaon- it's been a pretty fun ride and will be awesome even if it's half as good as it looks.

Uh, it already looks really good - and those were test shots of the plastic miniatures!

Oh, I meant if the rules are. I've got full confidence the minis will be/are awesome.

 Alpharius wrote:
You've got to love the good news/bad news announcement that we'll be able to add more stuff on to our pledges sometime next year!

Good news - this stuff looks really, really good - and even though I already bought just about everything...I'm sure there's more I'd like to add on now!

Bad news - there goes more money to Adam and Company!

I must've missed that part... We can add more stuff? That is just awesome and terrifying at the same time. This is the most I've ever spent on dollies...

I am a bit worried about the EU fulfillment... So it's no longer a certainty that we won't have to pay customs? Or did I misunderstand?

I am sad that I didn't get in on the Black Friday sale, stupid responsibilities and bills

 Alfndrate wrote:
I am sad that I didn't get in on the Black Friday sale, stupid responsibilities and bills

I think you might have made the right choice...maybe?

KD stuff is hella-expensive...

The only reason I was able to go big on it was I was somehow a bit flush with surplus money last year.

Definitely not the case this year...

There was never a promise of EU fulfillment only that he'd look into it and do what he could in this regard but if doesn't pan out it wasn't part of the actual KS - I have €160 put aside for import taxes if I don't have to pay it bonus but if I get charged I'm prepared for that to.

I don't think I'll sneak this one past customs but his last update seems to imply it will be declared for customs purposes at the pledge level value only.

 basement.dweller wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
You've got to love the good news/bad news announcement that we'll be able to add more stuff on to our pledges sometime next year!

Good news - this stuff looks really, really good - and even though I already bought just about everything...I'm sure there's more I'd like to add on now!

Bad news - there goes more money to Adam and Company!

I must've missed that part... We can add more stuff? That is just awesome and terrifying at the same time. This is the most I've ever spent on dollies...

I am a bit worried about the EU fulfillment... So it's no longer a certainty that we won't have to pay customs? Or did I misunderstand?

Originally it looked as if we would have to pay VAT, etc although Adam had said he'd be looking at options to avoid us having to do so as long as they could afford to do it (and he found an EU fulfilment partner he'd trust to do the work)

this latest update gives me hope that he's found a way

 Alpharius wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
I am sad that I didn't get in on the Black Friday sale, stupid responsibilities and bills

I think you might have made the right choice...maybe?

KD stuff is hella-expensive...

The only reason I was able to go big on it was I was somehow a bit flush with surplus money last year.

Definitely not the case this year...

As long as the game itself once it hits retail is not as difficult to get as his regular showing of minis, I'll be okay with missing out on the kickstarter and this Black Friday sale.

I don't even really care about all of the fancy add-ons that littered this kickstarter, I've just been extremely impressed with the showing of minis and the game itself sounds fantastic.

DaveC wrote:There was never a promise of EU fulfillment only that he'd look into it and do what he could in this regard but if doesn't pan out it wasn't part of the actual KS - I have €160 put aside for import taxes if I don't have to pay it bonus but if I get charged I'm prepared for that to.

I don't think I'll sneak this one past customs but his last update seems to imply it will be declared for customs purposes at the pledge level value only.

I do recall it was never on the table to begin with...

OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Originally it looked as if we would have to pay VAT, etc although Adam had said he'd be looking at options to avoid us having to do so as long as they could afford to do it (and he found an EU fulfilment partner he'd trust to do the work)

this latest update gives me hope that he's found a way

Yes, I guess I jumped the gun on that one a bit I was remembering this as a bit more definitive and a bit easier on the wallet That's why I was a bit confused with the latest update. Damn you selective memory.

It does make a surprisingly large difference, at least in the UK! Last I checked it was:

- 20% of the total (VAT)
- an additional amount of "duty" if the amount exceeds £135 (which even the basic survivor level does once postage is factored in), ranging from 5-50%.
- a flat £8 (~$14) handling fee.

Which at the most conservative level would be $264 for the $155 pledge!

Starting to see why retailers charge so much over here - although if this isn't ever hitting retail, I still think it's more efficient to get everything in one package.

I have pledged over $1200. I am getting a bit worried about import taxes on that now,,,

Wow - you 'win' this one then, as I think that's the most I've heard of anyone pledging on this one... and maybe every other miniatures based KS campaign I've been a part of too!

I wanted everything in resin. . Having seen the recent pictures of the new plastics I am very glad I did. The quality is nowhere near the same. Not bad, just not as good.

Hey, wondering what KD shipping time is like... eagerly anticipating my beetle dude

I've always received my shop items within about a week, I live in the UK.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Hey, wondering what KD shipping time is like... eagerly anticipating my beetle dude

Mine took two weeks or so to arrive. With the holidays and Winter Storm Apocalypse (or whatever they are calling it) it could take longer.

Thanks for the info!

Are you ready?!?

Creator Kingdom Death about 13 hours ago

Yes, I was indeed planning an update on december 25th! You guys know me too well.

Am I ready?!


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Update #80 - http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/poots/kingdom-death-monster/posts/704361

Happy Holidays! Christmas Day Update!

Dearest backers, I come with a pair of upgrades and a gift!
( in a super duper rush, did not spell check this one, anna is asleep and I beg you for forgiveness! )

I am happy to be spending another holiday season with you all! It has been a truly special year and I gotta admit its actually really hard to stop working for a few days. Until the new years I will be dialing my time down to just 2 hours of work a day, so i can keep ontop of key communication with the plastic production team and a few of the freelancers that aren't taking time off.


Upgrades

The forsakers mask, a piece of gear you can earn from defeating the butcher is also now represented in miniature form. It was just too cool to pass up! The original skull helm has had another art pass. The original was interesting but the new one feels much better. In addition they will also be represented in miniature form for all those budding bone warriors out there!





Gift
This is my gift to everyone for being awesome. I spent some time with our digital sculptor working on some more elaborate hair styles. These were initially a creative exploration, but they turned out so well we have decided to share them! These extra heads will be included in every core game box.



I am rolling all the other updates I have at this point into a larger update which should be around... the second week in January. ( maybe end of first week?) I am expecting a lot of plastics so it would be nice to have a little time to assemble everything, take photos and then just share it all at once.

I just wanted to say again, thank you so very much for being part of this kickstarter and part of my life for the last year. We are so much closer now to bringing this truly titanic project into reality and all of this simply would not be possible without you. Although there was a certain comfort in taking it slow, this push is worth it and I just can't wait until we are all playing KD:M together!

!!!!!!!!

Wowzas,

lots of extra very cool heads!

excellent

I see a very poor pun in the nature of the gift... ;P

Those heads are gorgeous though.

Part of me is hoping for the possibility to add more stuff before this is all sent out, as I missed out on the "second chance" to reopen the survey. The other part of me is hoping this all moves along quietly til suddenly it's in the mail so I get no chance to spend more.

I am really - no really really looking forward to this stuff.

Wish I could say we need to add more (Because Poots deserves our monies!), but we're already in for all the expansions, all the extra minis and thanks to my brother, all the pin-ups.

It's progressing at a nice and quiet pace, we have a rough idea of where things are at and when it might happen, unlike some companies.

The new heads look nice. Unfortunately, I won' t be getting any because my half of the Kingdom Death purchase was all expansions while Highlord Tamburlaine is getting the core game. Maybe I can bum a couple of the heads off of him?

It's going to be a pain in the ass magnetizing all of these bits though.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing, especially with those special one-off heads, it's going to be quite a chore. Then again, I'm thinking of only doing the heads and leaving the rest as is.

 BrookM wrote:
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing, especially with those special one-off heads, it's going to be quite a chore. Then again, I'm thinking of only doing the heads and leaving the rest as is.

I had thought about this as well.

 BrookM wrote:
Wish I could say we need to add more (Because Poots deserves our monies!), but we're already in for all the expansions, all the extra minis and thanks to my brother, all the pin-ups.

Those thanks are certainly in order. I'm sure you'll agree once you have platics in hand.

It's been a long wait for KD:M and all this dressing from Adam by way of upgrades and freebies is a nice touch as the campaign - it certainly doesn't feel like it ended on the kickstarter's closing date - draws to it's conclusion. Still very eagerly awaiting this one.

I'm only interested in the game, expansions and the lore, the pin-ups are all his.

I like that he said up front that he's only tossing in the freebies because they can and it won't mess with the overall production schedule as it is. It's also an extra nice "thank you" for us waiting backers.

But hell, I'm not too bothered by the wait just yet. To be perfectly honest I knew that there would be a delay and hell, he's kept things open, honest and to the point, not to free of insults and other flashy PR bs. I'd rather see this one done right from miniatures down to the rules and lore, especially that last part as that's what really drew me in.

An interesting tidbit here:

@Everyone. Yes we are behind the original estimated delivery date. And you are all backers, not customers. Starting fulfillment in march is not likely, as all of February the factories in china will be shut down for Chinese new year. It also takes on the average 6 weeks for a shipment to travel across the sea and clear customs.

He seems a bit...testy here, but it is understandable given the pressure he's probably under combined with the number of times he's probably asked for an update too...

If he is testy, I have no problem with that.

Every kickstarter I have backed has been delayed except Zombicide S1.

I don't care about delays as long as they are used to insure a better quality product.

Many people seem to be down right disgusted and cheated when they hear about a delay in product.

I've seen people ask for refunds immediately (In every kickstarter I have backed), people who think they are entitled to free miniatures for compensation because they were traumatized from the delay.

Kickstarter needs to come with a warning label more than a hot coffee at McDonalds.

To quote the Iron Sheik "Fahk n bol shet"

This has been explained as Adam being a bit testy to one particular person, and that when he says "backer" he means that as a compliment, and something he values higher than a 'customer', though I'm sure he values customers rather highly too.

He cares and keeps us in the loop, that's what matters most to me. We are not being lied to, kept in the dark, insulted or otherwise made fools of.

Personally I have a feeling that we will not see pledge fulfilment until post-Summer in all likeliness. Given the workload and the (not meant as an insult, but rather as a compliment) perfectionist that Adam is, I can see this being pushed back a wee bit further down the line.

But in my opinion, that's okay in this case, as he's earned my trust and respect in this matter. Unlike my brother, I have a good feeling about this all. We know what the factory is capable of (proud owner of a Leviathan here) and Adam's drive to make this the best damn thing ever really shines through in every update.


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 kingdomdeath wrote:
Very interesting thing for me to learn here!

That is, whenever I make a public post ( anywhere ), I should always include any and all context related to the information I am sharing. Soundbytes can be tricky!

So that kickstarter comment should have been unfolded. And read more like this:

@Everyone. Yes we are behind the original estimated delivery date of november 2013. The overfunded project and deliberate choice to pursue hard plastic instead of pvc is the direct cause of this. Everyone here is a backer, which is something I value at a premium compared to a pure company to customer relationship. In the update before the holiday update, I pushed the estimated release date back to Q2. Starting fulfillment in march is not likely, as all of February the factories in china will be shut down for Chinese new year. It also takes on the average 6 weeks for a shipment to travel across the sea and clear customs. However, once everything is finally sea bound, I will have a much more concise date on when fulfillment will begin."

The future is briefly touched upon here:

Creator Kingdom Death 1 day ago

- Living Rules -
We will just have to wait and see! I plan on supporting and nurturing the Kingdom Death community to the fullest extent of our ability. But without the game being released its something thats very hard to predict. It's also very true that until all the shipping starts, all of the internal resources are just too busy to begin laying the proper groundwork for community support. The very loose plan is to just tackle it in a very organic fashion, so that we can grow it to meet the demands of the player base as it goes. I see KD:M's future being all about custom campaigns and I'd love to make future releases that support that notion. That way a gaming group can really decide their customization level before starting a campaign. Some players might enjoy for example, a more in depth survivor generation system that gave them a few personality quirks, while others may just enjoy the pure tactical and very math side of the game and could setup an aggressive timeline filled with nothing but very hard fights in an effort to get their settlement ahead of schedule and have more time to tackle the optional legendary monsters hidden in the game.

I'd also love to publish online rules for playing with a game master. Where an extra player actually controls the monster by drawing a "hand" from its AI deck.

And lastly, we have already started talking about monster on monster combat with a pair of custom AI decks.

The possibilities feel kinda limitless right now! And it's really hard to push everything away and fully focused with the tasks at hand but its a big big must!

All I can say, is that I want to support the life of the game with a slew of super experimental rules ( in addition to expansions ) and if stuff sticks then we can figure out how to roll it into a published version of sorts.

But yeah, one step at a time! hehe

hmm, monster on monster combat sounds intriguing, especially if you place survivors trying to cross the path of the dueling monsters.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
hmm, monster on monster combat sounds intriguing, especially if you place survivors trying to cross the path of the dueling monsters.

Opens up the option of more human settlements that worship specific monsters and are therefore protected by them (to some extent) as well.

A little bit from the KS comments

Creator Kingdom Death about 2 hours ago

Quickies
Slender Man currently too hard, need to dial its level 1 back a bit.

We now have two full time game testers on deck for the final push. ( this is in addition too the organized groups we get in on a regular basis. )

Current Build is very solo able.

I plan on sneaking in a typo into the core book, just on purpose! bwa hahahaha

That's two more testers than GW uses!

200% better game play potential?

That's a pretty low bar to be setting.

Glad to hear that the gameplay is also being worked on nonstop and not just the minis.

Adam popped into the KS comments again yesterday

Creator Kingdom Death about 19 hours ago

Well, I have received and assembled more plastic miniatures ! I'll be taking the photos and sharing sometime this week. An update, yay!

I will have 6 new plastics to show. Plus a huge update on the Dragon King! Thomas has really done it justice!

@Rene, Still looking at Q2. I wish I could be more specific, but a lot of the timing is depends on vendors, customs, etc etc.

@Andrew, ah no not quite yet. The armor kits need more time to bake before I can reveal them. Hard plastic is amazing and to really get the most out of it, you need to find the right balance between form and function since you can't have any undercuts.



so we can expect radioactive dragon power to show sometime this week

Can't wait.

I'm still dreading actually having to paint these though. I'll never be able to do them the justice they deserve.

Looking forward to the Dragon King!

 Barzam wrote:
Can't wait.

I'm still dreading actually having to paint these though. I'll never be able to do them the justice they deserve.

Consider this a challenge, a call to improve your skills as a painter. That's the way I'm looking at things.

Yeah, just remember to thin your paints - and I mean REALLY thin them!

Multiple thin layers, FTW!

I read that as "remember to thin your pants", which at the moment seemed perfectly reasonable as well. I retrospect I don't know why, other than the relation between KD models and what is happening in my pants. Still a little bummed I didn't sell a kidney and get all in on this.

More comments from Adam, posted here because I am ridiculously excited about this game and crave more news, updates and previews!

@John D, that sounds house-ruleable! Or at least something we can work on as a group post-fullfillment. Back in the day we used to do similar things with dungeon hacks, and sorta race to the boss room. @Daniel, yes I got the plastic figure! It's assembled, the update has been written. Now I gotta take photos. I think it'll all be up friday.

Friday?!?

That's....TODAY!

Jan 23, 2014 on Kingdom Death : Monster.
@John D, yeah! You could sorta "run it" and just organize whom is going out on hunts depending on what players are available. The game does not need the same persistent player base, since players can just sorta pick out and follow their favorite survivors. When we play, we have a pretty large rotating group too.

Jan 23, 2014 on Kingdom Death : Monster.
We've tried having an extra player that controls the monster by drawing multiple cards and being its brain. Its absolutely brutal!

Jan 23, 2014 on Kingdom Death : Monster.
There are rules to scale it to 6 and I plan on supporting house rules online for more players.

Jan 23, 2014 on Kingdom Death : Monster.
Every monster is pretty unique. We have put a tremendous effort into translating the flavor of each monster into a deck of cards that toys with new mechanics, but doesn't step so far out of boundaries that you feel like your playing a different game. For example, the Man Hunter is a master swordsmen and he has a small pile of "Sword" AI cards that live outside of his deck, until a certain condition is met that makes him draw his sword. While the Flower Knight defines a "fairy ring" that he rarely leaves and gains more strength the more survivors are inside it with him. Which leads to a few interesting fight strategies as you can bait him out of it, or take turns going 1 on 1 with him. Again, I would love to just spoil everything… But not only would that take waaayy too much time it would also… spoil it all! lol

Update pending, any minute now!

Jan 25, 2014 on Kingdom Death : Monster.

Still, up, still working on the update! Will have it "live" before I finally crash and my "friday" ends! hehe

Jan 25, 2014 on Kingdom Death : Monster.

phew, content all done. Now is unto the kickstarter update tool!

That dragon king... it's beyond gorgeous...

That's one seriously sweet Dragon king and it's not even finished yet the ribs as hands is a great touch and the person trapped within. I might have buy a second one as at the KS $30 it's a bargain will it even remain at RRP $65? No problem with the Watcher getting increased in size a bit.

I'll put all the images in spoiler tags if people feel the post is too long.

Update #81

Jan 25, 2014
DOUBLE BOSS UPDATE
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Boss Update

Hello backers! I hope everyone had a good holiday!! Our holidays are a fond distant memory and despite the cold here in Brooklyn, NY the team has been burning up working like crazy!

Estimated Fulfillment Start - Q2 2014

We are still looking at Q2 to begin packing and shipping rewards. To be honest, a great deal of the timing depends on production and shipping tables. I'll keep everyone informed as we zero in on everything!

International Fulfillment

We have done our research, spoken to many fulfillment companies and people who have used them. We discovered that no one on earth is going to care as much about our project as we are. As a result I decided that WE MUST be the ones that pack your rewards. I can't even imagine what an outside group would do to resins??? Until we know exact box dimensions and weights, which are all estimates, I cannot isolate our final strategy for it but we will continue to look for some sort of European handler where we might send already packed boxes that could ship from one point in Europe.

Additional Pledging

The next 2 months are our most crucial months of this entire project. Because of this, we absolutely cannot be distracted and will not be accepting any additional pledges, reopening pledges, etc during this time. Once we are past this, as promised we will re-open pledges for kickstarter backers to increase their pledge and select more plastic rewards. (Sorry, resin cannot be swapped out or added, resin production is locked. ) Late backers from the recent black friday special (nov 29th 2013), will not be able to increase or adjust their pledges in any way. It is, sadly a restriction in order to keep everything manageable.

Super Late Backers

At this time, we are not taking on any more backers. It touches me on such a profound level that people still reach out and ask to be part of the project and while I really do want to include everyone… right now we simply cannot handle anymore backers in good conscience. The next chance to jump in will be when we start taking pre-orders. The pre-order prices will need to reflect the actual retail cost of the project. I am very sorry, but this is all part of small business growing pains and making sure we don't overextend.

Messengers & The Watcher

Here they are in all their plastic glory! I've been advised that these are test shots, and the faces should be a little more crisp on the final production run.

I was super worried about how this aerial monster would translate into plastic and how frail it might be. I decided to bump up his size from the original resin a little bit and I gotta say… I am very pleased! The sense of motion was well preserved and it’s quite sturdy! (I know because I dropped it, of course ).



Dragon King

As I mentioned before, I was not fully satisfied with the current digital Dragon King sculpt. I think I could have swallowed that feeling and moved on… but… but… Kingdom Death has never really been about hitting the "good enough" point and moving on. And if it wasn't blowing my mind well, I think as the project director I was doing it wrong! I guess this could be seen as one of the true boons of the projects overfunding / delay. We had the funds and just barely the time, to start him from scratch... so we can all thank Thomas David for creating the all new version of the Dragon King, sculpted with his very own masterful hands. Here he is at about 90% and oh how it BLOWS MY FRAGILE MIND!



What this Poots? Still sneaking more artwork into the core book? Here is the full page that will go alongside the nemesis encounter rules. hehehehe!



And then a page from the Sunstalker Campaign. It gets its very own intimacy table, instead of using the one from the core book. It's possible that some of their young may develop some interesting color shifting abilities!

Added Note: Image is NSFW

Spoiler:

Did I ever show off the Lantern Sword that is craft able at the core game blacksmith? Its an early Iron weapon so it has some flaws. I am totally in love with its style!



Oh yeah! I keep forgetting to mention this, but we have a full time Game Master! His full time responsibility has been to constantly play the game and to organize play testing groups. The number of hours and people whom have given us feedback and helped polish the experience is getting pretty staggering. I am so so so excited to keep moving this project along and get everything into your hands!

Thanks again for your continuing support!!

Oh my!

Anyone that was on the fence about the Dragon King before probably isn't now!

I.... wow... So glad I got it... This game just gets better and better! Not sure how much more awesome I can take though!

Oh yes, great news all round. Another blunt but fething honest update on how things are going, yes!

That Dragon King is seriously stupendous. Just.. wow! Very quirky idea and design as well.. absolutely love it!

I usually prefer spoiler tags on large images, mostly because on my phone it takes forever to load. Seriously glad I got the Dragon King, and now I'm thinking I might just add all the expansions I didn't get(Sunstalker mainly) when it comes open in whenever. That Dragon is awesome, but I wonder how it will translate to plastic?

Every single update gets me more and more excited.

Adam Wier, about 18 hours ago wrote:

Thanks for the great update. Lots of fantastic looking models.

I do agree with Gregory though, something looks off about the Messenger of Humanity. His pose looks weird, mainly how he is holding his Dragonslayer sword. Things would look much more natural if he had a smaller lantern at his side and used his other hand to support his sword. Further, his hands look a tad too small and his arms are not as toned and muscular as I would imagine. And while I like the idea of the chained sword at his waist, I think it looks like it was simply tacked on. I feel its size and how it is attached to his side would hinder his ability to move in combat.

Sorry to be overly critical, but he was the model I was most looking forward to seeing and acquiring.

Creator Kingdom Death, about 18 hours ago wrote:

Perhaps sometime in the future we can revisit the character and create an alternate. From a project standpoint we have moved from the concept, to the renders of the digital sculpt which was shared publicly and now unto his plastic incarnation. I will add some minor tweaks to our production wish list and if there is time, I might be able to twist some arms and make adjustments. I still quite like him and feel the model is great. But compared to the masterpiece that is the Dragon King he is a bit overshadowed!

Because I cannot get enough of this project, some interesting comments:

Jan 27, 2014
Heya Juan, since we keep adding more art... it hasn't made sense to finalize and publish the art book. I think I will take the time and decide what goes into it once the units have been loaded onto the boat and we are waiting for it to arrive out our warehouse.

Jan 29, 2014
Just happened to be passing by, caught the tail end of the BIG sword discussion. Personally, I like swords of all shapes and sizes. I do not like it when over-sized weapons are swung around without showcasing their weight, as is the case in a lot of our pop culture. When it seems like they weigh a few ounces, I sorta chalk that up to lazy animators. In lieu of all this, the class of big weapons in KD are called "Grand Weapons". And they all have the "slow" rule, which basically means that despite bonuses, being inherent, skill related or otherwise, they attack at speed 1. If a chance at one big hit a turn, is your thing. Then they have their uses. A grand weapon specialist has a higher chance of knocking a monster down, which is a great way to open a survivor turn, but unless you set that up... its not very likely.

Eric S McClanahan about 2 hours ago wrote:

@Adam,
This discussion on equipping survivors has me wondering. Any chance of seeing the various survivor sprues before the pledge manager closes the final time? I know we have seen the initial art and a few of the assembled figures, but being able to see exactly what items are associated with each kit, and what they look like would be great. For those interested in the survivor swap it may help with planning, including whether to pick up an extra armor set or 5.

Jan 29, 2014
@Eric, It all depends on how close we cut it. If the pledge manager goes up once things are on the boat, I imagine it would be fine. However if I have to spend that time making all the final arrangements for warehousing and laying down the ground work for the fulfillment plan well... Basically I'd like to, but at this point where time is super precious, I simply can't make any promises.

I would pay in first borns for an art book with KD:M art.

We're getting a "digital art book" - unless you mean an official print copy?

I would be highly interested in a physical copy too.

Aye, a baby for a physical copy, I love art books.

I'll third that as well. I have quite a few laying around, and wouldn't mind another book of pretty pictures.

Hard to believe that Adam wouldn't make it available as a printed art book somewhere down the line...

Well, books require a pretty high volume (read: at least 1,000) before print runs become affordable, so it depends on how much interest there is...

 BrookM wrote:
I would pay in first borns for an art book with KD:M art.

I actually did look at my first born on reading that, and thought "...maybe."

I managed to only add one thing to my pledge when it opened.

Now? I'm out of first borns to sell and may consider digits and unneccessary appendages.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Well, books require a pretty high volume (read: at least 1,000) before print runs become affordable, so it depends on how much interest there is...

I'd be willing to bet Adam would shift at least that many if he were to offer such a thing!

 Alpharius wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Well, books require a pretty high volume (read: at least 1,000) before print runs become affordable, so it depends on how much interest there is...

I'd be willing to bet Adam would shift at least that many if he were to offer such a thing!

I'd buy 2 at least.

Does anyone know what expansions the King's Hand and the Forsaken Warrior are a part of? Or if we can add them individually?

Also, have there been any close-ups of the kingsmen?

Oh, and I'd love to have an art book.

King's Man: link

Forsaker (I assume what you're talking about) looks like it'll be an upgrade based on defeating a Butcher, given notes about masks in some earlier comment (model isn't available through the KS AFAIK)

I don't believe the King's Hand has been discussed as part of Monster, pretty sure he's not part of the game yet.

I'm pretty sure Forsaker isn't even included in the game.

 Alpharius wrote:
Hard to believe that Adam wouldn't make it available as a printed art book somewhere down the line...

Maybe indeed further down the line, he doesn't want any more distractions, so I guess we'll have to make do with a digital one for now.

Was the digital one available to everyone or just a part of certain pledge levels?

 Fafnir wrote:
I'm pretty sure Forsaker isn't even included in the game.

Yeah, sorry- to clarify, it looks like the forsaker's mask is a piece of gear in the game: unclear if the forsaker is a pseudo-class/upgrade for a survivor or if the mask is just a reference to it, and the mini isn't in the game.