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Post by: Sinful Hero
There's also a subscribe button at the bottom of the page, but that doesn't get your post count up or encourage discussion. 
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Post by: cincydooley
Quick Question:
Are any of you interested in any of the resin pin ups?
I think I'd actually prefer to have them in plastic and I have, I think 7 of the 8 that are represented in the new box that's coming out.
Shoot me a PM if you are.
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Post by: basement.dweller
@Sinful Hero
Fantastic - I've completely missed that button probably because I rarely scroll all the way down. As for the discussion or post count - I try to minimise my spamming
@Cincy: I'd love to get them off your hands mate, but sadly I am not sure I can even get the plastic ones atm. Had an emergency dentist run in that unfortunately made a huge dent on the plstic dollies fund. You can't go wrong with them on ebay though...
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Post by: Alpharius
You're missing something!
In the bottom left hand corner is a 'Subscribe' link - click on it, confirm your choice and then you're all set as everything will then be saved in your personal subscription list!
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Little slow on the draw there Alph.
@Cincydooly
I think a negligible amount of detail appears to be lost from the transition to this plastic, but you may still have a hard time trading since I think he mentioned that some of the sculpts have been "re-imagined" or altered from the original resins.
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Post by: Alpharius
Too many windows open, though I will endeavor to be less helpful/friendly going forward!
Good to hear that these Plastic Pinup Sets are already shipping though - and it was a good reminder to hurry up and order a set tonight too! 
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Post by: basement.dweller
 Alpharius wrote:Too many windows open, though I will endeavor to be less helpful/friendly going forward!
Good to hear that these Plastic Pinup Sets are already shipping though - and it was a good reminder to hurry up and order a set tonight too!
Your endevour to be helpful/friendly is appreciated 
Man I want the plastic pinups...  Stupid teeth.
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Post by: Absolutionis
I found a mini-blog of an individual on Reddit that posted close-up pictures of the Twilight Knight pinup in plastic assembly:
http://imgur.com/a/gjppr
The quality of the pictures is rather nice.
I'm looking forward to the KD:M models.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Absolutionis has found a decent set of shots of the plastic twilight knight from the recent box online
http://imgur.com/a/gjppr
give a great idea of what the KS stuff will build like
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Not too fond of the paintjob myself- but I am still looking forward to the game and painting it myself!
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Post by: Alpharius
I am NOT a master class caliber painter, but I think he needed to thin his paints...
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Post by: Wehrkind
And buy a color that is close to "skin tone".
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Post by: Absolutionis
Painting skills aside, they're great-quality close-up pictures taken of the plastic sprues and assembly.
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Post by: Cyporiean
Well.. They are HIPS, so was there any question?
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Post by: blooddave
I am the painter and poster of that Twilight Knight.
I used Vallejo's Sunny Skintone, with some Basic Skintone highlights.
I used Testors Cement For Plastics to assemble it, so yes they take poly cement.
This was my first try at a "nice" paintjob. I usually paint 15mm, and even in 28mm I usually just do a basecoat and wash, and get them to the table to fight.
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Post by: Alpharius
Hey!
No offense was intended - and welcome to Dakka Dakka!
And I wasn't kidding earlier as learning to really thin your paints is a key component to a good paint job!
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Post by: Sinful Hero
 blooddave wrote:I am the painter and poster of that Twilight Knight.
I used Vallejo's Sunny Skintone, with some Basic Skintone highlights.
I used Testors Cement For Plastics to assemble it, so yes they take poly cement.
This was my first try at a "nice" paintjob. I usually paint 15mm, and even in 28mm I usually just do a basecoat and wash, and get them to the table to fight.
Thanks for the assembled pics! When I said, "not a fan of the paintjob", I was referring more to the color choice than the technical aspects. God knows I'm not the best miniature painter around. What made you choose green for the cloak?
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Post by: blooddave
I usually paint WWII or Sci-Fi soldiers. I was tired of browns.
I didn't realize until after I was done the blue with red accents was a little Wonder Woman, especially with the silver buttons on the belts.
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Post by: Sinful Hero
blooddave wrote:I usually paint WWII or Sci-Fi soldiers. I was tired of browns.
I didn't realize until after I was done the blue with red accents was a little Wonder Woman, especially with the silver buttons on the belts.
You should totally go back to paint the panties blue, and the breastplate red and gold. 
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Post by: Pacific
Wow.. some of the imagery with this game is so gruesome but at the same time so imaginative and original.. I love it
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
from the KS comments
Creator Kingdom Death 11 minutes ago
Everything will be hard plastic EXCEPT the following monsters which I am still deliberating over: Lion God, Sunstalker, Gorm.
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Post by: Still Standing
I hope this doesn't alter the bids of those of us who ordered everything in Resin.
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Post by: Alpharius
That's a good questions!
I can see the end result being that *everyone* gets the Lion God, Sunstalker and Gorm in resin, with maybe those originally pledging for it in resin getting a bonus something or other too?
Those three monsters might be difficult to do in plastic due to their bulk?
But then again, the plastic Watcher and Dragon King sure came out nicely!
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Post by: Sinful Hero
 Alpharius wrote:That's a good questions!
I can see the end result being that *everyone* gets the Lion God, Sunstalker and Gorm in resin, with maybe those originally pledging for it in resin getting a bonus something or other too?
Those three monsters might be difficult to do in plastic due to their bulk?
But then again, the plastic Watcher and Dragon King sure came out nicely!
They've shown a plastic Dragon King?
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Post by: Alpharius
Ah, not sure now?
I thought the Dragon we saw was plastic...
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Pretty sure it was the resin(or whatever material) master. We HAVE seen a plastic Phoenix that was incredible, but no dragon as far as I know.
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Post by: KoganStyle
I don't believe Lion God, Gorm or the Sunstalker were ever available in Resin to start with (in the KD:M KS)
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Post by: DaveC
The Dragon King shown was the actual sculpt.
I'm guessing the Gorm, Lion God and Sun Stalker only sold in low numbers on the survey due to either being outright weird or containing details that people aren't comfortable with, otherwise it's a strange coincidence that it's these 3 in particular and not others.He's probably still looking at something that can be mass produced but is more cost effective the original plan was for PVC for these and that might be where they end up. I'm still hpoing the Gorm comes with both feet/hand options and I wouldn't mind if it got tweaked a bit in production I only got it as it was effectively free with the armour and pin up. 3 minis in PVC and the rest hard plastic that's something I never thought he'd achieve at the start.
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Post by: Fafnir
I'd have gotten the Lion God, but I just couldn't fit it into my pledge, and had to draw a line somewhere.
That said, I really hope it gets a general release down the line.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
I also think that the 3 will most likely end up as PVC, and probably less due to cost but more down to the more organic nature of the shapes making cutting them for polystyrene really tricky,
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Post by: Alpharius
 DaveC wrote:The Dragon King shown was the actual sculpt.
I'm guessing the Gorm, Lion God and Sun Stalker only sold in low numbers on the survey due to either being outright weird or containing details that people aren't comfortable with, otherwise it's a strange coincidence that it's these 3 in particular and not others.He's probably still looking at something that can be mass produced but is more cost effective the original plan was for PVC for these and that might be where they end up. I'm still hpoing the Gorm comes with both feet/hand options and I wouldn't mind if it got tweaked a bit in production I only got it as it was effectively free with the armour and pin up. 3 minis in PVC and the rest hard plastic that's something I never thought he'd achieve at the start.
Good call there Dave - it really might be down to these 3 not having the numbers to justify 'hard plastic' due to the even more disturbing than normal KD look they share!
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Post by: Baragash
Alpharius wrote:Good call there Dave - it really might be down to these 3 not having the numbers to justify 'hard plastic' due to the even more disturbing than normal KD look they share!
I would hope he takes the view of the project in totality, rather than looking at individual items, but ofc I don't know what his constraints are.
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Post by: Wehrkind
Been a bit quiet in here. About a month since the last update, no?
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Adam was about celebrating SDE Forgotten King breaking the million as he backed that
but more to your point he mentioned a new update on the 14th April
@Evan Zynda, Waiting on 2 more models to arrive before I make the April Update.
so I guess it may not be too long to go now (postal gods permitting).
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Adam was active on the comments answering questions for a bunch of time last night,
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/poots/kingdom-death-monster/comments
but here's a few highlights (there's a fair bit more than I've copied over)
on the state of the game/models
"The Main Game is currently in editing and pre-production. Not all the models have met my final approval yet. I have a PVC Phoenix and a Hard plastic phoenix. There is a reason I did not showcase the pvc version! Every monster will be done up, to the utmost best of my ability in hard plastic. Except the Lion God. If there is room for him in the production que, I of course want to do it! We'll see, its gonna be a close call.
Most common complaint is that the game is too difficult. To address this concern we added a game variant called hero mode, where you begin with a stat upgrade and survivors only get "knocked out". The difficulty exists because I wanted it to challenge players and to have to bring my best while playing. Your take away as a backer should be that the average playtester, is a coward that always wants to win despite actually trying."
on loot
"We have one play tester that never shares with his group! lol. In turn the other players would never trade with him, but the lucky son of a gun always managed to get the resources he wanted anyway. We have found in most cases people do share, or take things to a vote. Its been shockingly diplomatic.
On of the last changes we made in the rules was to define that a singular survivor can gain something, and the "group" can gain something. The spoils from a monster are gained by the group, while finding a useful item on the hunt is gained by the survivor. I know this seems like a totally "no duh" moment. But up until that point we only used a generic "gain" which left room for ambiguity as opposed to letting players know when it was time to talk to each other and divide stuff up."
on replayability
"@Matt, There is a huge range of permutations and no two settlements so far, have been alike. Towards the end of the campaign, people will have access to the majority of the content, but the journey there has been very different. We have a story event that deals with when you lose and you might find some surprises there for starting a new campaign."
On prices
[will prices go up in the re-opened pledge manager]
"@Amber, some things will go up yes. The dragon king expansion for sure. Originally it was priced out as a PVC model, but now that we re-sculpted it from scratch and moved it to hard plastic the raw price per unit has jumped tremendously. We have to be fiscally responsible in some cases so that we keep the shipping budget intact.
[what's the final retail cost]
"Its uh.... looking like it's gonna be a $200 game ;_;. I am not really happy about it. But I have yet to figure out any other way to cover the cost of its production! About 15 plastic spures, a 200 page rulebook, two game board, 700 ish cards and another 250ish gear cards. It's uh... a monster all right! lol"
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Post by: Chemical Cutthroat
Yeah, 200 bucks is a scary pricetag, but you definitely get a ton of bang for your buck. I don't see it as that outlandish.
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Post by: Ramos Asura
As far as it being "too hard"... I think I might love it even more for that.
Then again, Im the same guy who enjoys playing FTL and Dwarf fortress for hours on end, even though I've only beaten the former 3 times out of 150 games
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Post by: Chemical Cutthroat
 Ramos Asura wrote:As far as it being "too hard"... I think I might love it even more for that.
Then again, Im the same guy who enjoys playing FTL and Dwarf fortress for hours on end, even though I've only beaten the former 3 times out of 150 games
Amen to that. I always explained it as, "Dark Souls the Board Game" and managed to get some of the point across well. That makes me really look forward to playing.
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Post by: The Fragile Breath
 Chemical Cutthroat wrote: Ramos Asura wrote:As far as it being "too hard"... I think I might love it even more for that.
Then again, Im the same guy who enjoys playing FTL and Dwarf fortress for hours on end, even though I've only beaten the former 3 times out of 150 games
Amen to that. I always explained it as, "Dark Souls the Board Game" and managed to get some of the point across well. That makes me really look forward to playing.
I actually got a bunch of my buddies interested in playing it with the line "Think Dark Souls in board game form, but more disturbing", it does indeed get the point along well. I'm so freaking excited that we could see this shipping out in the next few months here, I don't really care when I get it, I'm just really looking forward to it. The thought of it also terrifies me, however. That is going to be one huge pile of gorgeous models I have to ruin with my inferior painting skills. I still haven't figured out if I'm going to attempt to tackle magnetizing the armor kits or not, it sounds like a terrifying process to someone who has never done it before.
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Post by: Chemical Cutthroat
Dark Souls. Prepare to Paint.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that used that description. As for the painting and magnetizing... start practicing! The only way to get better is to try new stuff. I know I'm going to have to work a LOT on my flesh tones... so I'm gonna be practicing and trying out new tricks.
But I'm right there with you. I have a resin cast of the female Big Game Hunter... and she is just sitting there, assembled, unprimed, waiting for paint. And I am terrified of messing it up.
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Post by: RiTides
So, what's the over/under on you guys getting this in 2014? Just curious on people's thoughts
I'm going to bet January 2015, personally... but I haven't been tracking this too closely. It's all in a single, giant wave, right? When he talks about things still possibly going the PVC or hard plastic route, that means those items haven't really been started on for tooling, seemingly.
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Post by: cincydooley
So.... If prices go up are we subject to them If we've already pledges for them?
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Post by: BrookM
Late 2014 would be my bet, but that would be US and Canada only, ROW won't probably have goods in hands until sometime in 2015, I've got a feeling the ROW shipping may cause a fair few problems.
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Post by: Sinful Hero
The $200 price tag doesn't surprise me in the least- there is so much stuff he added in there. Ironically, it might help sell it as more of a high-end boutique item fitting right in with the rest of Poots' stuff.
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 cincydooley wrote:So.... If prices go up are we subject to them If we've already pledges for them?
Doubtful. I might even be tempted to say no- we've already pledged and paid, but if you do add another Dragon King expansion when it opens back up you will pay the higher price*.
*for the additional Dragon King.
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Post by: The Fragile Breath
 RiTides wrote:So, what's the over/under on you guys getting this in 2014? Just curious on people's thoughts
I'm going to bet January 2015, personally... but I haven't been tracking this too closely. It's all in a single, giant wave, right? When he talks about things still possibly going the PVC or hard plastic route, that means those items haven't really been started on for tooling, seemingly.
Call me crazy, but I think U.S. backers will have it in August. You may well make fun of me if we don't, but that's my optimistic guess!
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Post by: Alpharius
I think it is clear that what you've already paid for stays set, but if you want to ad din anything else when the Pledge Manager reopens, it will be at the 'new' pricing levels.
Also, I'm fairly certain that we'll get this shipped to us this year, but I'm not banking on Q2 anymore!
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
RiTides wrote:So, what's the over/under on you guys getting this in 2014? Just curious on people's thoughts I'm going to bet January 2015, personally... but I haven't been tracking this too closely. It's all in a single, giant wave, right? When he talks about things still possibly going the PVC or hard plastic route, that means those items haven't really been started on for tooling, seemingly.
As Adam isn't afraid of spending money but discarding unsatisfactory results (eg all the sculpts that have been done but not released) He may well have a PVC tool of the Lion God which is (just about) good enough which will be used if the design & production of a hard plastic version won't fit the time frame he needs (he mentions he has a PVC phoenix so he paid to tool that even though it didn't work out well enough to use) I think stuff will be leaving China (rather than arriving in the USA) at the end of Q2, but I think the actual shipping will be a lot slower than folk hope as Adam will use a small (but high quality) team and there is a huge amount to shift so at least a couple of months to get it done (oh but the joy when it arrives )
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Post by: Dentry
Even so I'm expecting all backers to get their stuff this year.
The KD box is easily the one I'm most anticipating but also the one I most dread. My painting skills are not enough. They will never be enough!
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Post by: -DE-
I wouldn't expect the game till spring 2015, personally, though I'd love to be proved wrong.
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Post by: Alpharius
So another year to go from now?
Ha!
No way!
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
The real question is how many years will it take us to assemble all of the kits that we end up with? .......
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Post by: Chemical Cutthroat
I already have planned out an assembly line of jobless hipsters that I will pay in PBR to drill out all the little holes for the magnets.
Painting on the other hand...
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Post by: Pacific
Chemical Cutthroat wrote: Ramos Asura wrote:As far as it being "too hard"... I think I might love it even more for that.
Then again, Im the same guy who enjoys playing FTL and Dwarf fortress for hours on end, even though I've only beaten the former 3 times out of 150 games
Amen to that. I always explained it as, "Dark Souls the Board Game" and managed to get some of the point across well. That makes me really look forward to playing.
That does make it sound amazing! Hope they don't tone it down too much, actually think having something that is very difficult would suit the character of this game perfectly.
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Post by: cincydooley
Chemical Cutthroat wrote:
I already have planned out an assembly line of jobless hipsters that I will pay in PBR to drill out all the little holes for the magnets.
Painting on the other hand...
Do you pick them up in front of lowes like other day laborers or do you pick them up at a place i probably havent heard of?
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Post by: Chemical Cutthroat
From personal experience, the average hipster congregates at coffee shops, art college campuses, and rather awful bars.
Thankfully (or not), being in Baltimore we have an excessive amount of all of the above.
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Post by: BrookM
Hmm, not sure what to assemble first, survivors in rags aside.
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Post by: Yodhrin
I wasn't "into" KS when this was about(my first was, regrettably, Raging Heroes), and I've not been following along, so you hopefully won't mind if I ask a couple of questions that seem painfully daft to all of you; what's the deal with KD's online store? Are there going to be new versions of all the "sold out" miniatures(typically, all the ones I actually like are among those), or are they just gone forever? Will the plastic models being talked about be available individually after the game's launch, or only as part of the main boxed set?
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Post by: Sinful Hero
 Yodhrin wrote:I wasn't "into" KS when this was about(my first was, regrettably, Raging Heroes), and I've not been following along, so you hopefully won't mind if I ask a couple of questions that seem painfully daft to all of you; what's the deal with KD's online store? Are there going to be new versions of all the "sold out" miniatures(typically, all the ones I actually like are among those), or are they just gone forever? Will the plastic models being talked about be available individually after the game's launch, or only as part of the main boxed set?
He sometimes does more runs of popular items- I believe he has a general release section of models that will always have more runs eventually. Don't know specific details about the kickstarter stuff, but I assume if it's in a set it will stay in a set.
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Post by: BrookM
All of his stuff is insanely popular though and in most cases sells out in no time at all.
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Post by: Krinsath
 BrookM wrote:All of his stuff is insanely popular though and in most cases sells out in no time at all.
This cannot be emphasized enough. More than a couple times I've missed out on a restock of a model I wanted because I blinked (read: went to work and didn't want to order it from there). If you want it and it shows as being in stock, buy it then through whatever payment method you can muster.
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Post by: BrookM
Indeed. And from what I've heard from happy buyers, most certainly worth the purchase, as it's great quality all the time.
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Post by: Krinsath
Oh, and don't expect shipping to occur immediately; it can take a week or two before things are even shipped out. I'm not sure there's anyone who follows KD:M who doesn't understand it's a small operation run by a handful of people, but I've seen other "boutique" shops get angry Internet comments posted about them because their orders didn't ship out in 24 hours.
The quality is certainly worth the time and trouble though. Well, until you put them away in the corner because you're too scared to assemble and paint them because you know you'll ruin them... 
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Post by: Yodhrin
Ach well nevermind then, I quite fancy some of the models, but not enough to be constantly checking the store in the vague hope I get lucky.
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Some things don't sell out as quickly though- the Big Angel Guy I forget the name of stayed there for a couple weeks at least. Pin-ups are what sell out the fastest really. Of course if it's plastic post- kickstarter he may always have it in stock. Isn't the Experiment of Death like that? Or just a slow seller as well?
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Experiments is PVC, not hard plastic.
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Post by: Sinful Hero
I meant to infer that he continually keeps it in stock, not the material it was made of.
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Post by: RiTides
Yodhrin wrote:Ach well nevermind then, I quite fancy some of the models, but not enough to be constantly checking the store in the vague hope I get lucky.
Yeah, that's my take. If he ever wants to increase quantities for his webstore sales, I'll check, but otherwise it's just not worth the hassle ( imo).
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Conveniently enough Slenderman, Dung Beetle Knight, Pinups of Death, Experiment of Death, and several other pin-ups including the Twilight Knight are currently listed as "in stock".
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Post by: Alpharius
RiTides wrote: Yodhrin wrote:Ach well nevermind then, I quite fancy some of the models, but not enough to be constantly checking the store in the vague hope I get lucky.
Yeah, that's my take. If he ever wants to increase quantities for his webstore sales, I'll check, but otherwise it's just not worth the hassle ( imo).
He's probably doing OK without you, or many of us, as his 'philosophy' seems to be what helped drive his KS to ridiculous heights.
Some of the 'scarcity' is due to casting demands and quality standards, but some of it is possibly (!) intentional as well.
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Post by: Yodhrin
 Sinful Hero wrote:Conveniently enough Slenderman, Dung Beetle Knight, Pinups of Death, Experiment of Death, and several other pin-ups including the Twilight Knight are currently listed as "in stock".
But the stuff I actually fancy(ie, stuff that can be used in other games) like the various Saviours, the King's Hand, the male & female Great Game Hunters, and the Forsaker Pinup are not, and they never are when I check.
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Post by: Alpharius
Have you signed up for his mailing list?
I'm pretty sure he has one, and I'm pretty sure I get a notification from him when things are 'back in stock'...
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
RiTides wrote: Yodhrin wrote:Ach well nevermind then, I quite fancy some of the models, but not enough to be constantly checking the store in the vague hope I get lucky.
Yeah, that's my take. If he ever wants to increase quantities for his webstore sales, I'll check, but otherwise it's just not worth the hassle ( imo).
Sign up for the newsletter and you'll be informed whenever there is a restock
(you might miss it if the email arrives in the middle of the night, but at least you'll have a fighting chance and can avoid thinking about it at other times)
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Post by: DaveC
Project Update #84: Short & Sweet
Posted by Kingdom Death ♥ Like
Just a quick update today! I am still working on a much larger show and tell, but didn't want to wait any longer! We'll have a nice big long update next week.
Flower Knight!
Hard Plastic Flower Knight This is also a great time to tease this! We got the hard plastic Flower Knight in and it came out great! I was pretty worried about this one, since it is considered by many the greatest miniature in the Kingdom Death range. I was relieved to find how well it made its transition to hard plastic! I will have many more photos prepared for next update along with a nice look at the sprue.
Pledge Manager
Anna has been working to upgrade the pledge manager, so people that want to add more can do so without disrupting the rewards they have already locked in now. Since production has begun we can't really allow people to swap anything around anymore. Sorry!
SatanDuring the Campaign I promised that if we reached 666,666 I would create my own version of Satan. The artwork has been completed, the miniatures have been sculpted and cast. It will be released either sometime this weekend, or on monday of next week. It is a limited resin run of 500, but since It was "in spirit" part of the kickstarter, if we sell out I will take pre-orders for another production run. Those pre-orders will be directly via our store and cannot be added to existing pledges since they are not part of the kickstarter. So if the stock runs out, please do not worry!
That is all for today, short and sweet. I will return with many many more things to look at and our usual in-depth update on all things Kingdom Death: Monster!
Thanks and have a great weekend!
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Post by: BrookM
The Knight does look amazing and well done!
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Also of interest was a bit of cross promotion that DaveC trimmed off (as not really gaming relevant), but in amongst it
Paraphrasing what Adam said
It is my not-so-secert desire to work with her on some male pinups!
Hamlet Machine, a popular Yaoi ( a Japanese genre of fictional media focusing on homoerotic male sexual relationships, usually created by female authors.) artist and childhood friend of Anna seems to be just the person to do this with but is however very busy so we'll ask her nicely if she can find some time soon.
Her DeviantArt page is loaded with little gems......I would highly recommend browsing her stuff!"
here's a bit of Flower Knight fan art she's done
so male pinups might be showing up in the future which might help neutralise some of the 'oh, exploitative' criticisms KD gets from some people (probably not though).... I'll certainly be intrigued to see where this goes
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Post by: BrookM
Chances are the male pinups will get a lot of "Ugh no homo" from the fat white gamer demographic that makes up the userbase.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Oh I'm certain they won't be nearly as popular (think of the children we'll hear, think of the children),
but they might well pull in a whole load more female buyers who like the crazy world of KD but didn't fancy painting semi clad women
and I want to see what they come up with
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Post by: Sinful Hero
I'm just curious to see how he intends to do a male pin-up. Super Muscle Man? Effeminate Shy Guy? Somewhere in between? There are quite a few different ways to go with it IMO, and it may be difficult to find a good balance in what would be attractive to a female audience.
-or a male audience as well, now that I think about it.
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Post by: Krinsath
Man using a vacuum cleaner, obviously. That's porn for women right?
Obligatory comic link (the drawing is fine, but the language/subject matter is NSFW): http://xkcd.com/714/
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Post by: Buzzsaw
Well, given that the artist he is referring to is a Yaoi artist, it would seem he would be going more for the 'pretty boy' image of male pin-up.
With that in mind, I honestly wouldn't be all that surprised if there was far less movement on male pin-ups then is expected. It's struck me that complaining about male pin-ups is a useful slam at a project that many people simply don't like on principle.
That said, being that this is a Poots production, anything that is produced will no doubt be pretty amazing in terms of detail and execution. A well done pin up model is, after all, just a well done model, and we can expect them to sell... well, out, just as everything else does.
Very curious as to this "Kingdom Death Satan" model though... yeash, I can't imagine what the scrum will be like trying to get that...
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Post by: Alpharius
Good news there is that I think we will all be able to preorder it if we miss it the first time around.
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Post by: Sinful Hero
I imagine he'll be around forge god sized, and he was what? $120? He may not sell that fast.
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Post by: The Fragile Breath
I'm very interested to see the Kingdom Death Satan, should be really cool. On the topic of male pin-ups, I welcome the idea. I don't think I'd necessarily buy one, but I love that he wants to make them, and think it's hilarious but fitting that he wants a yaoi artist to help. I'd think the most successful tactic to... Ahem, please all crowds would be to take the Dragon's Crown approach. For those who aren't familiar with the game, all characters (male and female) are based on different "looks" that people find attractive. So, basically, they could make pretty-boys, muscley chaps, dudes with super broad shoulders, and I'm sure there are others that I just can't think of, all that jazz.
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Post by: Pacific
Absolutely love that Flower Knight miniature - I have the resin version, it's a beautiful sculpt. I've been afraid to try and paint it up to now..
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
almost time for another update but they're tinkering with the pledge manager so aren't going to do it until that's ready (presumably that will be modified so adding more stuff won't wipe you previous choices, and to adjust the prices of some of the options that have increased in costs) but Adam posted this to tide us over, resin King verses the larger plastic version http://cl.ly/image/421x2D0t1j3K (image too large to post over so you'll need to visit the link)
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Post by: Alpharius
 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:almost time for another update but they're tinkering with the pledge manager so aren't going to do it until that's ready
(presumably that will be modified so adding more stuff won't wipe you previous choices, and to adjust the prices of some of the options that have increased in costs)
but Adam posted this to tide us over, resin King verses the larger plastic version
http://cl.ly/image/421x2D0t1j3K (image too large to post over so you'll need to visit the link)
Too large to post over?
Nonsense!
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Post by: Baragash
Hmm....my main concern will be how defined the fingers are with so many hands on the model, but that picture seems to suggest it won't be a problem
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
How did you do that Alpharius ?
I put it up using the standad img tags and it was about 4x the size of the screen (so I edited the post to just give the link)
did you rehost and resize it or am I missing a useful trick?
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Post by: Alpharius
Dakka Dakka eventually re-sizes it - automatically!
 Well, either that or...The Alpha Legion did it!
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Ah ha,
useful to know
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Post by: KalashnikovMarine
Has any one bought from KD direct? I put an order in and haven't heard hide nor hair for about two weeks now...
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Post by: Krinsath
I have and that's about the same timeframe I had before it shipped based on my two orders. About 10 business day for them to go out, and you will receive an email when it does ship but nothing until then.
A bit different than the "big companies" in terms of shipping speed, but it does get there.
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Post by: KalashnikovMarine
Yeah today marks 8 business days since I placed my order. I just want my Twilight Knight pin up... more specifically I want to know if I got one of the six they had in stock when I ordered.
I may or may not be taking a day off work specifically to paint it when she comes in >.>;
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Post by: Sinful Hero
If you follow on twitter he keeps everyone updated on which order numbers have shipped out.
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Post by: KalashnikovMarine
KD Twitter 6 May 14 wrote:Store orders up to 5020 ship tomorrow! Thanks for your patience. As usual, give time for e-mail notifications and tracking (if applicable).
gak.... I'm like 250 orders past that one.
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Post by: Krinsath
Yeah, it's somewhat frustrating if you're used to Amazon and other such vendors, but KD is (still) a very small operation and the boxes are very well-packed. Your shinies will make it to you in very good shape when they do arrive.
Hopefully when you get yours you won't be scared to assemble and paint it like I am of mine.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
I've never had a problem getting something the site let me order, even when they were down to 1 or 2 of something left so you should be fine,
but it certainly can take Joe a while to email confirmations out
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Post by: Chemical Cutthroat
 Krinsath wrote:Yeah, it's somewhat frustrating if you're used to Amazon and other such vendors, but KD is (still) a very small operation and the boxes are very well-packed. Your shinies will make it to you in very good shape when they do arrive.
Hopefully when you get yours you won't be scared to assemble and paint it like I am of mine.
I'm still glad I'm not the only one who is terrified of painting them.
We should do a thing. Not a competition so much as a, "Hey guys, let's all get a model painted up and post it by X," sort of thing.
No idea if it would actually work.
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Post by: Krinsath
My painting skills are "gaming-quality" on my best day, and skin in particular is a horrific weak-point of mine. So, the pin-ups are a really bad situation at that point since 80% of the model is skin...
Plus I have a horrific backlog of models already (to the point I REALLY need to stop buying stuff, honestly) so that's certainly not helping.
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Post by: Chemical Cutthroat
Indeed. I'm perpetually buying stuff when I have things on my painting table yelling at me to finish them.
And I'm not exactly top level either, but it might be the needed motivation to step my game up. Or at least make an attempt at it. I've been painting Infinity lately, so maybe the step up in size will be a nice change of pace.
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Post by: DaveC
I'm not sure why people assume KD minis are that much bigger they are 32mm (EDIT sorry 35mm true scale) there's not much difference to other mini ranges I remember thinking "smaller than I thought" when I got my first KD mini ( not a criticism I had just assumed they were a little bigger)
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Post by: Chemical Cutthroat
They're not -huge- by any mean. But when you're painting at such a small scale, there is a noticeable difference. I've been doing nothing for Infinity for months now, and I went to pick up a GW model and was like, "Wow... this is big."
And they're still 'technically' 28mm Heroic, and Infinity is 28mm Truescale. So the 32mm is a bit of a shift up for me. Which as I said, will be a nice change of pace!
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Post by: Wehrkind
Krinsath wrote:My painting skills are "gaming-quality" on my best day, and skin in particular is a horrific weak-point of mine. So, the pin-ups are a really bad situation at that point since 80% of the model is skin...
Plus I have a horrific backlog of models already (to the point I REALLY need to stop buying stuff, honestly) so that's certainly not helping.
I did a little blog bit about how I went about painting skin tones better here (a little NSFW, though not KD levels ) http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/270830.page
Some tips on blending and color choices, etc. It was (is) written by someone who's more of a painting noob, so it is in pretty basic language, so might help!
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
The smooth surfaces must be fun to really go to town with shading your colours. WWX is also 32mm, but so chock-full of details that just brushing the raised edges is almost enough. Not fun.
Are some plastics for this available already, outside of the pin-up box?
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Post by: Chemical Cutthroat
That's a nice bit of reading (that I had to minimize a bunch of times when nosy people walked by) there Wehrkind! I'll have to see if I can apply any of that book learnin' to my brush hand. I think the most maddening thing is when you mentally know how to do something, but your hand refuses to listen to your brain.
I don't have anything in plastic Mathieu, just a scant few of the pre-kickstarter Resin models that I gobbled up... and haven't found the nerve to paint.
I'm getting there...
...just one more drink.
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Post by: Alpharius
I ordered the "Gold Smoke Knight" the day it was released, and I received it yesterday.
I did receive an email notification it was shipping as well...
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Just FYI for everyone-
"@kingdomdeath: All store orders from 4512-5623 that did NOT include a Satan Encore have shipped (with the 20 or so latest orders shipping Monday). Thanks!"
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Post by: Wehrkind
Chemical Cutthroat wrote:That's a nice bit of reading (that I had to minimize a bunch of times when nosy people walked by) there Wehrkind! I'll have to see if I can apply any of that book learnin' to my brush hand. I think the most maddening thing is when you mentally know how to do something, but your hand refuses to listen to your brain.
I don't have anything in plastic Mathieu, just a scant few of the pre-kickstarter Resin models that I gobbled up... and haven't found the nerve to paint.
I'm getting there...
...just one more drink.
Thanks man. It definitely took me a while to get highlighting down, and when to stop Painting 100+ half naked Celts in a month and a half did the trick, but I don't recommend that
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Post by: Buzzsaw
Some interesting comments from the campaign page earlier today;
Phew! Ok we finally got the pledge manager stuff sorted. Tomorrow we will finalize our tests on it (important to make sure we don't mess anything up! ) and then post the update. Along with the pledge manager re-opening as planned. We've add to adjust a lot of prices... sorry about that. Back when I thought we were doing PVC, it was such a big deal, but now the larger expansions have fallen into the range of being around 6 sprues! Anyway, been a crazy week, at the start of a crazy month and I need to sleep for a bit so we can finally push this live. ~
@Larabic, this is for the people whom have hammered us with requests to add more to their pledge. You CANNOT change your pledge.
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Was that taken a bit out of context, or is he only opening the pledge manager for new pledges?
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Post by: Pacific
Chemical Cutthroat wrote:They're not -huge- by any mean. But when you're painting at such a small scale, there is a noticeable difference. I've been doing nothing for Infinity for months now, and I went to pick up a GW model and was like, "Wow... this is big."
And they're still 'technically' 28mm Heroic, and Infinity is 28mm Truescale. So the 32mm is a bit of a shift up for me. Which as I said, will be a nice change of pace!
I found exactly the same thing.
Generally lovely sculpt quality, very clean detail and well worth the money/wait I feel.
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Post by: DaveC
Sinful Hero wrote:Was that taken a bit out of context, or is he only opening the pledge manager for new pledges?
Your previous pledge is now locked in and cannot be changed so you cant reallocate any of the previous funds or change any of those picks but you can add more stuff if you want and pay for the extras but they will be at the new adjusted price that reflects the proper cost of the hard plastic frames - the Dragon King for example will not cost $30 when the PM reopens more like $40 - $50.
EDIT found the comment
.... Everything you have currently pledge for is locked. The units have been ordered and production has begun. I am really really sorry but we cannot swap anything around. I apologize that this might result in you getting a double, if you do pledge enough to be kicked up to herald of death. It's the only way for us to stay logistically sane.
Apr 25 2014 on Update #84: Short & Sweet from the project Kingdom Death : Monster.
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Okay, that clears things up a bit for me. Thank you for that. Not sure if I'll have the scratch to add anything when it opens anyway, but I would at least like to pretend!
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Post by: DaveC
Updates coming shortly get your wallets ready
Creator Kingdom Death 3 minutes ago
Indeed! I am here to post the awaited update. Models are assembled, photos are done. Words have been written. Now its time to wrestle with the kickstarter update system until things look about right!
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Post by: Alpharius
Unless something new and amazing breaks in that update, I don't think I'll be adding anything to my pledge.
It was high enough to begin with!
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Post by: DaveC
The mother of all updates just hit!
TL: DR
- more delays :( won't know more until end of June - The armour kits are causing the delay - anything approved to date is finished manufacturing. There will be a "miniature related boon" as an apology for the delays.
- 2 options for EU shipping
1. All packed individually in US by Adam and co. then all shipped in a container to EU for distribution from within the EU but will cause further delays to EU backers.
2. Shipped direct to backer from US manufacturing cost declared as value.
- PM is reopened - https://kingdomdeath.com/reopen/login.php
no changes to original order prices have been updated
EDIT: Updated prices (anything else is unchanged as far as I can see)
Flower Knight was $15 now $25
Man Hunter was $20 now $25
Dragon King was $30 now $45
Gorm was $40 now $45
Spidicules was $40 now $45
Kingsmen x25 was $50 now $75
All Armour Kits (20 mini version) was $50 now $75
50 bases was $40 now $50
Image spoilers are only to keep the lenght of the post down a bit.
Delay
Comment
I am delaying fulfillment.
All the plastic kits must meet this project's high requirements and my personal scrutiny. Currently, the armor kits do not. They have proved to be more challenging than myself or the technicians at the factory expected.
To resolve this moving forward, I have had several long meetings over the course of this week with the factory boss. He is putting his other responsibilities aside to work with me directly, everyday, 1 armor kit at a time until they meet my approval. I realize I am the gatekeeper in this process and I apologize, but I can't produce something that does not meet my and your expectations.
So far, our project has produced some of the best hard plastic kits I have ever seen. It is, in all sincerity, a little mind-blowing that they are kits I directed and produced with your help.
The fan feedback and positive reviews we've received about the Pinups of Death hard plastic kit really crystalized the feeling that this uncomprimising approach is creating incredible results. Even the guys at Beasts of War were blown away by the plastic Phoenix:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=mfoe9atAgGQ#t=2347
Thankfully, production on all hard plastic kits I have approved has already been finished! There are 15,000 finished Phoenixes waiting for us! (among many other kits!) But… as all of you know, unless everything is 100% done, the project is not done. The reality of this project's scale means we cannot afford to ship plastic rewards in multiple waves and thus we must wait for every last arm, head, and skullcap hammer. Sadly, this is a bottom-line reality.
This is our project and its my job to make sure it's done right. If everything does not meet my requirements and the expectations I've given you, I will feel I have failed to deliver the very heart and soul of my efforts.
Blame Me
There are no excuses, this is entirely on my own shoulders. The commitment I made by running this campaign (producing 11 times the original scope of the content or not) is the real deal. I am putting every ounce of professional and personal effort, along with every penny of the money raised, into it.
I am always available, front and center, to answer any of your questions and address your concerns. You are my prized backers, the people directly responsible for making any of this possible. If there is something I can do for one of you, I will make an effort to do it.
You can message me thru kickstarter, or send me an email at adam.poots AT kingdomdeath.com. Yes, sometimes my inbox is flooded, but I do respond to everything, eventually. If you have sent me a message in the past without a response, a gentle reminder would be appreciated. I imagine this will result in many messages, so please be patient as I sort thru them. Thank you in advance.
If you have pledge manager questions, email anna at kingdomdeath.com.
Technicality
So we are still "technically" beginning fulfillment in Q2 2014 as I estimated. The Kings of Death will have their Chest of Death collection and the resin beta sent in june.
The resin beta level will also ship out in june.
Estimated Fulfillment Update
I will return at the end of June with a more specific time frame. I respect everyone here too much to pull any "smoke and mirror" tricks, I just want to provide facts. And so I have decided to wait and provide exactly that.
The printing process for the projects many components has already started. The core game and its tutorial received an additional 3 weeks of blind play-testing before we handed it off to an editor and I am feeling very confident in it. (The edited version just came back yesterday!) There are still some good questions that play testers (yes we are STILL doing that) have raised and I think between them and the resin beta backers we will generate a solid FAQ in support of the game that will be available online.
Shipping Address Changes
We have a new shipping address policy in place. When fulfillment begins, we will send you an email to confirm your shipping address. You couldn't believe how often people change their shipping address, I had no idea people moved around that much! So don't worry, we'll get your current addresses when the game ships!
EU Fullfillment
We have two options lined up. I won't be able to pull the trigger until our warehouse is at 100% accountability.
1. We pack everything domestically, the boxes are freight shipped to the EU and then a label is slapped on to each one and its mailed from within the EU.
2. We pack everything domestically and declare the lowest possible legal value (manufacturing costs I do believe) on each package. It is then shipped from Brooklyn NY. This will be the quickest way for backers to receive rewards.
The disadvantage to #1, is that it's an extremely long process. All EU orders would need to be packed, then placed on a freight container. Wherein they will be received and shipped a second time. I have always stated, from the beginning, that international packages would most likely ship from the US, as it is the most controlled, manageable and efficient way for us.
Why can't you just work with a fulfillment company / partner?
As many of you requested, I spoke with several companies that offer international fulfillment. It was not my intent from the get go, but it was a great idea and I followed up on it in earnest.
The reality is this kickstarter is simply too complicated. There are too many items, some from different vendors, some frail, all of which would need to be individually combined in every unique order combination and the size of this task places it far beyond what the budget allows. Even with additional resources we collected from each international backer, the total does not even come close to the reality. We would be spending a crippling amount, to send out packages that we did not personally and carefully pack ourselves, with no way to oversee or hands on trouble shoot a number of logistical issues that may arise.
As promised, I will still keep an open ear and if something solid develops. I will update everyone on the matter. I need to keep the interests of all of the backers and also the project in mind.
Pledge Manager Reopened
By popular demand, Anna has retooled the pledge manager to accept further pledge additions.
Here's what you should know: You can use your original pledge manager details to login. We've removed resin and collectors edition items since their production numbers are already locked in and in production, or sitting in our warehouse. We've adjusted the MSRP (Our suggested retail price) of all kickstarter items to reflect realistic production and the future of Monster's retail life.
HOWEVER, we've maintained a tremendous discount for all backers. Items that you add to your pledge cannot be switched, swapped, replaced, or otherwise impact your original pledge. The pledge manager is optimized for the Chrome browser but should be fine in most up-to-date browsers. Any questions or problems please direct to anna at kingdomdeath dot com
Instructions
- To make additions to your pledge visit: https://kingdomdeath.com/reopen/login.php
- Use your pledge manager details to login.
If you've forgotten your password enter your email on the left and click the Forgot Password link to reset your password.
- You will find a button at the top of the next page that will take you to a summary of your pledge options from your original pledge.
- You can browse the available kickstarter options using the categories on the left hand side.
- Once you are ready, click the ADD FUNDS button. A paypal link will appear that will take you through the PayPal bit. Once you complete the paypal process and press the close button in the popup you will be taken to an overview of your additions. An email confirmation will follow shortly.
*NOTE: I have not yet had a chance to change the images in the pledge manager, many of them will display the wrong prices and MSRP. I will take care of this tomorrow.
Progress Report
Allright, with that all out of the way I can finally talk about some things I am very pleased with!
Flower Knight
Here is the flower Knight in all his plastic glory. Again I decided to bump up his size a little bit. It really seems to help with all of the micro details that resin can render so well. I guess… its kind of a little bit like cheating! But its a lot nicer then the 3% shrinkage you'll normally see with PVC plastic.
The Flower Knight Sprue has a few surprises that we didn't initially plan on. Benefits of the delay. We added some extra weapons and a new instrument, A Chello! Which has been delighting everyone around the office.
Gorm
The plastic Gorm is awesome. I was really nervous we would lose all of the skin texture on his body and have to sort of "smooth" it out. The factory really shone thru and he came out great! Up close, it really feels more like something made form clay.
The Lonley Tree
Putting together this tree, is intense! A total of 4 sprues make up it's massive body. Everyone here likes the plastic tree so much, we've decided to extend the lonely tree expansion to include a small ai & hit location deck, so you can fight a rare breed of it! In addition the phoenix actually does rest on top of the tree, so when it lands on it during gameplay you can put him up there. This is more coincdence then design tho, so do it at your own risk!
Slenderman
I know this is going to tank the sales of the resin slender man units we still have but uh... I think the plastic one actually turned out better?! The sculptor, Jacques-Alexandre Gillois has such incredible talent and is able to craft miniature with such light and delicate features. Slender Man was scanned, and optimized digitally where we pulled all of the details out a little bit and bumped up his size. Actually he was optimized twice! First time was by myself and Hector Moran and the second time by the factory. The result well... its not frail like the resin and the bumped up details actually make it feel much more crisp. So... yeah I like this one more!
The King
Standing at 120mm tall, the plastic King makes me so proud! I was very worried he would have to be cut into a bazillion parts to preserve his detail and layers of mystery. I was however and very thankfully wrong. Of all the large monsters, the kit is the fewest parts! (oh and we totally bumped up the size from the original resin. )
The $666,666 Promise
During the kickstarter campaign I promised that if we reached $666,666 I would create a personal vision of Satan and release it at some point outside of the kickstarter.
The resulting miniature has received much controversy and it's collectors run was sold out in a mere 8 hours. Making it the quickest selling Kingdom Death miniature to date! Since the spirit of the project was rooted in a promise I made during the campaign, we are taking pre-orders for an encore run. Something we do not normally do, due to the logistical challenges involved with resin production. ( It's slow, and super expensive).
I wanted to make sure any interested backers did not miss their opportunity. Here is the link to them on the store. I understand this will not be for everyone, it is again, another unrestrained exploration and to me, it makes a lot of sense.
http://shop.kingdomdeath.com/collections/in-stock/products/satan
The Boon, The Delay and the Gamble
I am arranging for some kind of miniature related boon to help ease the pain of the delay. I realize that at this point it is a mere formality, but I feel it is the least I can do.
In addition, we will use the extra time to continue to polish and round out the content of the projects many expansions. Polish is a lot less tangible then say, an extra miniature. But the effort and time that goes into it, is often many many times more resource intensive. More art for additional story events, more gear and more interactive elements to make each expansion more satisfying to add to your campaign.
I realize that this might not make a lot of sense to many of you, but my perspective is to whole-heartedly gamble on Kingdom Death: Monster with everything we've got. This means, that our extra time won't be spent chasing new products or projects. Nor will we be planning a new kickstarter with the time. Instead we will be pouring it, an urn full of liquid creativity and effort back over everything like a thick gravy. More art, more content, and more depth, added in small thoughtful slices and scattered throughout the project as a whole.
While I cannot personally speed up the physical miniature production anymore then I have. I can certainly use every second and continue to squeeze in as much as possible while the window on manufacturing closes.
That is my commitment to you backers and to this project. It will continue to get, everything I can possibly give it, until it is finished and speeding towards your front door. This means a great deal to me.
Oh and another thing. You will get Kingdom Death:Monster before anyone else in the world. It will be, physically in your hands before I send even a single box anywhere else, for any reason. It will not be available at your local game store, while you are waiting for your rewards to arrive. And it won't be sold online via amazon at a discount while you wait either. I understand and can respect the business and logistical sense of moving product into distribution aggressively. And perhaps it's just getting really late / early. But I don't care! You come FIRST.
You are more important then distributors, more important then board game reviewers, and more important then retail stores. When it comes to Kingdom Death: Monster, you backers are the most important. We made a commitment together and beyond my most eternal gratitude I promised the utmost peak, the pinnacle of what I could reach with my team.
And that polished gem is exactly what I will deliver. The best I can manage, nothing more and nothing less.
Thank you.
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Post by: KalashnikovMarine
Krinsath wrote:Yeah, it's somewhat frustrating if you're used to Amazon and other such vendors, but KD is (still) a very small operation and the boxes are very well-packed. Your shinies will make it to you in very good shape when they do arrive.
Hopefully when you get yours you won't be scared to assemble and paint it like I am of mine.
I actually got my shipping notice yesterday!
I like the idea of us having a group painting.... uh... mutual support group I suppose. Everyone hold hands and just try to get through this! Everyone with a KD mini in hand, let's all try to finish it by the end of this month yes? Courage my friends! Courage!
I intend to do eyes on my Twilight Knight Pin Up using the following guide https://www.reapermini.com/TheCraft/12
The flesh guide posted earlier is quite helpful as well.
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Post by: BrookM
Oddly enough I haven't received that update yet, but whatever, it was an enjoyable read and once more, with feeling, this is how an update should be done with a project that's running late. No petty bs, all cards on the table without trying to shift the blame to everyone but himself. Respect.
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Post by: DaveC
Yeah apparently something went wrong with KS notifications it wasn't sent to anyone.
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Post by: Cyporiean
DaveC wrote:Yeah apparently something went wrong with KS notifications it wasn't sent to anyone.
KS seems to having notification issues for the last week, I'm only getting like 1 in 3 'X has pledged to your Kickstarter' emails/app alerts. :/
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Well I've re-locked my pledge manager (had to do it quick before I spend money I don't have)
although I did have to add a second Lonely Tree to use as terrain in other things (and paint up as Autumn instead of Spring/Summer)
I'm kind of happy to let Adam make the EU shipping decision whichever option he goes for
as choosing between waiting an extra couple of months with all you US pledgers playing and painting would really hurt,
but so would paying the VAT myself (and possibly even import duty if customs decide the pinups are not part of the 'board game')
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Post by: gunslingerpro
Do I dare open up the pledge manager?
I think I must.
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Post by: BrookM
I'm glad we already got everything the first time round.
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Post by: KalashnikovMarine
That feel when you get new toy soldiers and bitz you need to use the model are missing.
Well guess I get to find out how good KD's customer service is.
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Post by: cincydooley
Uhhh...where's the pics of the case!
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
I love the paint job.
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Post by: KalashnikovMarine
I just glued spare pick foam chunks into the little box the model came in, not that exciting really
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Adam surfaced briefly to tease us with the Adult Sunstalker
one resin, one plastic but which is which (NSFW: Spoilered as the are very manly sunstalkers)
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Post by: Schmapdi
*Fixed*
And If I were him, I'd be smiling like that too.
** Appparently not fixed. Which is odd, because when I "previewed" my post (after fixing the busted tag) I was able to see the image fine.
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Post by: Dheneb
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:Adam surfaced briefly to tease us with the Adult Sunstalker
one resin, one plastic but which is which (NSFW: Spoilered as the are very manly sunstalkers)
Doubly fixed. Also, huge pic.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Another gem from Adam
"Oh yeah, figured I should drop this at some point... Spidicules spawns smaller spiders during the showdown with it. Part of the puzzle that is the combat is managing them along with the pheromone moods that change their behavior. ( So yeah, we did manage to add a multi-monster fight to the ensemble! )"
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Wonder why the Gorm is in the background? Totally calling the right one as plastic.
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Post by: Alpharius
Is an Official Update on the horizon?
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
I think he's too busy at the moment
(he mentions having loads of mail to respond to and that's he's not really up on whats going on with the pledge manager)
so my guess is it's still final crunch time with the armour kits etc
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Post by: gunslingerpro
In the KS comments he said he is waiting on a bunch of updates from the factory before he can update us. Sounds like they're putting finishing touches on kits before mass casting.
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Post by: DaveC
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:Another gem from Adam
"Oh yeah, figured I should drop this at some point... Spidicules spawns smaller spiders during the showdown with it. Part of the puzzle that is the combat is managing them along with the pheromone moods that change their behavior. ( So yeah, we did manage to add a multi-monster fight to the ensemble! )"
Adam added this
Creator Kingdom Death about 13 hours ago
... Yes there is a smaller spider model. I will show it off when I have ze plastic
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Post by: primalexile
This Kickstarter is killing me.. The anticipation... I hope everything is wrapping up.
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Post by: BrookM
I think we'll soon be getting another update with some good news.
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Post by: Alpharius
What makes you think that?
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Post by: DaveC
Creator Kingdom Death 2 days ago
Pledge manager is closed until we catch up with people and their needs. Other news, new box of goodies is on its way from china. The next update will be made shortly after I've had some time with it's contents. ( assembling, photographing etc, etc ).
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Post by: BrookM
And to think I don't even read the comments.
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Post by: Alpharius
Most KS comments sections are...not worth much.
I suppose I should just click on Adam's KS profile and read *his* comments every now and then though!
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Post by: BrookM
Now why didn't I think of that?
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Post by: Wehrkind
I am really getting excited too! I am only in for a little bit of stuff (bought part of someone else's pledge) but everything I see makes me wish I had dropped a month's salary on this.
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Post by: serenitynow98
Does anyone know an appropriate place to sell KD resin figures? I have a complete collection of all the models that weren't redone in Monster (i.e. - no GGHs etc.) except the Forge God, Infant Sunstalker, and the original Forsaker model. (I also have Laurie the Archivist, the Blessed One, Male Savior and other pieces from the Grab Bags of Death).
I'd prefer to sell it as a lot but I don't know any place where I could do that directly to KD fans. Is this an appropriate place to talk about that? Are there other forums? I was a late backer for the KS so I can't post in the KS comment feed.
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Check this forum's swap-shop rules. E-bay may be useful to you as well. Do you happen to have any of the Saviors by any chance? 20, 40year old and such? I'm sure there are quite a few folks who may be interested.
And also, how much are you wanting for it?
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Post by: serenitynow98
I have all five saviors, the original, 20, 40, 80 and even the male one.
Not sure on price. Depends on if I'm selling the whole lot or piecemeal.
I'll check that forum. Thanks
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Post by: Alpharius
Creator Kingdom Death about 11 hours ago
The plan is to update everyone before the month is out. Just waiting on packages!
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Despite a few KS's I'm waiting on, this is the only one where every announcement brings me a sense of anticipation... wish it had come out closer to on time (since the other couple we game with is now moving), but still very excited.
BTW, what's the word on the pledge manager? Still down but not officially closed?
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Post by: BrookM
All I can say about this one.. I BELIEVE!
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
Is it too late to add to my pledge?
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Post by: Sinful Hero
You try sending a message to Anna. I believe it's anna@kingdomdeath.com, but I would check the website before trusting my memory in that.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
I sent her an email. If i don't hear back, I'll personally hold you responsible. Or use the KS message function. Whatever's easier.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
pre-update teaser from Adam (the package is in)
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Post by: Alpharius
I think we can all tell where WGF is spending most of their time!
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Post by: cincydooley
The detail on those is absurdly good.
Wow.
So....how does everyone plan on basing their minis. I'm not a huge fan of the faces cobblestone that the base inserts have.
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Post by: Alpharius
I'm with you - I'm pretty sure that none of my minis will be going on the Skullstone Road bases.
I'll probably go with a mix of 'ruins' and rocks and such...
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Post by: gunslingerpro
I think I'll just use the faces so they match the game board, though I've been tempted to find some cemetery bases or grasslands to give them an 'Eden gone wrong' type of look.
Or perhaps a wonderland type base, tiles like a checkerboard, croquet pitch, etc.
Hmm.
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Post by: basement.dweller
What? I thought everyone was going to use instantmold and the devil twin's cape to pave the road to Hell.. .
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Post by: cincydooley
 basement.dweller wrote:What? I thought everyone was going to use instantmold and the devil twin's cape to pave the road to Hell.. .
I.... I actually sorta like that idea......
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Post by: Wehrkind
That cape is not made of good intentions... in any sense.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
cincydooley wrote:The detail on those is absurdly good.
Wow.
So....how does everyone plan on basing their minis. I'm not a huge fan of the faces cobblestone that the base inserts have.
Hoping to chop up and mix some "face cobblestone" with more traditional ruins and gravel, get a half-dozen designs, and then cast a bunch of each...
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Post by: basement.dweller
No hard feelings, but I beg to differ It's a solid expression of our weak willed nature; It's screwing with us for not being able to keep our hands off the goods.
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Post by: cincydooley
 spiralingcadaver wrote: cincydooley wrote:The detail on those is absurdly good.
Wow.
So....how does everyone plan on basing their minis. I'm not a huge fan of the faces cobblestone that the base inserts have.
Hoping to chop up and mix some "face cobblestone" with more traditional ruins and gravel, get a half-dozen designs, and then cast a bunch of each...
Oh, I like this idea a lot.
A lot.
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Post by: Wehrkind
basement.dweller wrote:
No hard feelings, but I beg to differ It's a solid expression of our weak willed nature; It's screwing with us for not being able to keep our hands off the goods.
So what part of those intentions are good?
(Note, the model is very nice and well done. I am just saying "cape made of dong" doesn't scream "This person means well and can be trusted" )
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Post by: Dentry
Great models.
As for basing ideas, I think I'd like to incorporate the face motif into some forest/ruin bases. There were some Scibor bases that make it seem like a good idea.
Obviously, with fewer skulls. But does anyone know where I can get a bunch of miniature porcelain-esque faces that I can sprinkle all over my bases? Don't recall ever seeing something like that.
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Post by: basement.dweller
I doubt the intention is to make us think twice about what we are buying, but it could be be interpreted as that and then it would be a good intention
I just think it's cool in a "Suckerpunch" way, in how it ridicules the viewer for enjoying cheesecake. I like to believe Mr. Poots went one step further... I mean the devil... has all our dongs... and we pay "him".
Ok... Maybe not good intentions, but you got to love the sentiment. Of course you could interpret it anyway you want, but then the figure wouldn't be as cool (and you'd be wrong)
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Post by: cincydooley
I thought they were tongues.....
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Post by: Alpharius
Those Scibor bases would work very well...
And maybe some 3rd Party base manufacturer will be releasing KD Themed bases too?
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Post by: Col. Tartleton
Their clothes are tongues, but the skirt is made of penises.
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Post by: Alpharius
Looks to be about a week away from the next "Proper Update"
Jun 29 2014 on Kingdom Death : Monster.
Just a quick update, I got the box friday and we assembled a ton of survivors to show off in the next update. Today we are working, Anna is getting the new sale up, while I am working on important visual documents for the factory. We have gotten into a good work flow, but it requires a huge amount of extra work from me.
Jun 29 2014 on Kingdom Death : Monster.
I don't think I will have the update ready until monday or tuesday. We'll see how much I can get thru before I simply pass out. lol
Jun 29 2014 on Kingdom Death : Monster.
Don't hold me to that tho, there is always the chance something pulls me away that I gotta put full attention into. -_-
And does anyone know if it really was his birthday a few days ago?
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Jibboom 1 day ago
@Overworked Adam Do you mean the update and the store sale will go on at the same time?
Creator Kingdom Death 1 day ago
No no, separate time scales.
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Post by: Sinful Hero
And to repost here- store restocks.
@kingdomdeath: Kingdom Death June News! - http://t.co/KI4MAJTsc6
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Post by: Dentry
Just ordered some more goodies.
And I'm really digging the painting guides. Best painted KD miniatures I've seen.
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Post by: Buzzsaw
Pin Up Wet Nurse? My my my my my....
By the by, this is a very interesting bit of information in the Naked Experiment of Death write-up;
The experiment of death is coming to an end. This was Kingdom Death's first experiment in PVC production and we've learned so much about PVC manufacturing through this kit.
PVC is a cost-effective way to mass-produce miniatures. Currently most new board game miniatures are produced in PVC.
PVC is ideal for large, organic figures. We were very happy with the translation of the Wet Nurse.
PVC is less ideal for fine edges and long thin pieces (like swords, armor edges, etc).
We have no plans to reproduce this PVC kit in the future. We are grateful for the fan support in this endeavor so we would like to offer the remaining stock at a special price in a "naked" bundle.
The Bare Experiment of Death is packed loose without a box and includes:
2x PVC Wet Nurse
2x PVC Pinup Twilight Knight
2x (set of 3, 6 total) PVC Female Servants
2 Double sided art cards (while supplies last)
I will say that this evaluation is in complete agreement with what I have found in my Relic Knights figures: large, less armored figures with curves and organic shapes (such as the Noh empire figures) have translated much better then the harder edged armored human figures.
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Post by: Cyporiean
Getting some serious Range Murata vibes from that concept art.
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
Woo hoo! Got one! First ever KD purchase. Can't wait to go back to painting skin. This is going to be such a treat.
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Post by: Alpharius
 Mathieu Raymond wrote:Woo hoo! Got one! First ever KD purchase. Can't wait to go back to painting skin. This is going to be such a treat.
I'd be interested in you providing WIP shots as well as paint recipes.
I've got a lot of skin to be painting up soon, between this, Arena Rex and a shed load of INFINITY...
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Post by: cincydooley
 Alpharius wrote: Mathieu Raymond wrote:Woo hoo! Got one! First ever KD purchase. Can't wait to go back to painting skin. This is going to be such a treat.
I'd be interested in you providing WIP shots as well as paint recipes.
I've got a lot of skin to be painting up soon, between this, Arena Rex and a shed load of INFINITY...
Oh thats so cute. You said "soon" and "Arena Rex" together
But yeah, would love any help I can get on skin tones, since I'm really poopy at them.
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Post by: Krinsath
cincydooley wrote: Alpharius wrote: Mathieu Raymond wrote:Woo hoo! Got one! First ever KD purchase. Can't wait to go back to painting skin. This is going to be such a treat.
I'd be interested in you providing WIP shots as well as paint recipes.
I've got a lot of skin to be painting up soon, between this, Arena Rex and a shed load of INFINITY...
Oh thats so cute. You said "soon" and "Arena Rex" together
But yeah, would love any help I can get on skin tones, since I'm really poopy at them.
I too am interested in this, as I too am terrible with skin tones. I actually bought a box of WGF's Amazons to practice with so I don't ruin fancy KD:M models with my improvement stages. Well, that and the order was going to cost me about the same as the Amazon box in shipping, so why not get more product for another dollar and then get free shipping? Cunning Miniature Market is...
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
I'll do my best. I just have a quick question concerning resin, I usually use 400 or 600 sandpaper to finish off plastic display models (not wargaming, it would be way too long). Will that be fine enough for Poots' resin?
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Post by: cincydooley
Mathieu Raymond wrote:I'll do my best. I just have a quick question concerning resin, I usually use 400 or 600 sandpaper to finish off plastic display models (not wargaming, it would be way too long). Will that be fine enough for Poots' resin?
I think you'd be fine with 400. I think thats what I use.
The resin is pretty 'standard' hardness, so it holds up pretty well.
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Post by: Alpharius
Also, I was REALLY hoping that we'd get that "Official" update by now!
Maybe something extra to celebrate on the 4th?
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Post by: Bromsy
Yeah, that would be nice.
I just busted out some models so I can start getting my painting skills back - been slacking for a few years.
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Post by: Chemical Cutthroat
 Bromsy wrote:Yeah, that would be nice.
I just busted out some models so I can start getting my painting skills back - been slacking for a few years.
Hehe... KD Models... Busted...
I'm going to take the plunge with my day off this weekend and actually paint that Big Game Hunter that has been waiting patiently for paint. Wish me luck. If I can remember to do step by step shots I'll post em' somewhere on Dakka.
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Post by: Wehrkind
I have a brief thread on painting skin around... somewhere here that might help you guys a bit. It is the same basic technique I have used for my super skin Celtic army, and is pretty easy to get decent results. About the only changes I have made since are adding more purples and greens to my shading, and a little more cocoa to make darker tones. The sites here have some nice recipes: http://blog.brushthralls.com/?page_id=1203 .... hmmm thought I had another, but can't find it. edit: here's the blog thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/270830.page
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Post by: Dentry
I'll point to the Architect painting guide hosted on Kingdom Death's own website as a great resource.
Painting - Skin
Now, skin is a part of the model which I often get carried away with, creating extra areas of interest in light and shade, along with warm and cool areas. As a result I will often use a whole range of colours, throwing a bit in here and there, and beavering away like some nutty professor, sometimes repainting entire areas until I am happy with the finish.
In the case of this model I bought a couple of the new GW skin tones, mainly to replace some old ones that have just about gone, but also because credit where it is due, and as a personal preference, I really like the look and feel of GW skin tones (even if I don’t paint them in the style that GW does!) . The concept art has very pale, pinky coloured skin, without heavy shading, so I worked on that basis.
So, I’ll list the colours used and go through how I approached the skin here. I actually did something that I don’t normally do, and painted the face before the rest of the skin with this model. My reason was that I wanted to test the colours before I applied them to the model, and the head was separate, so if it all went wrong I could easily fix it!
Colours:
Vallejo Deck Tan base mix (1 drop paint, 2 drops glaze medium, 1 drop matt medium, approx six drops water)
Vallejo Game Colour Pale Flesh
Vallejo Model Colour Salmon Rose
GW Cadian skintone
GW Tanned Flesh (old colour but I think Vallejo Game Colour do the equivalent)
GW Kislev Flesh
GW Reikland Fleshshade
GW Pale Wych Flesh
...
They have another guide for the Forsaker but I haven't looked through that one yet.
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
Well I might as well give up, then, eh?
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Post by: gunslingerpro
Pretty much my thoughts exactly. I may have the one promo model I got done up by a professional, but most of my stuff will stay as game pieces, grey and unpainted.
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Post by: Bromsy
Well, we could all go and paint them as if they were statuary.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
Do you think I need to drybrush mine after I dip them?
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Post by: Alpharius
INCOMING!
Jul 7 2014 on Kingdom Death : Monster
Update on the update. This might be the biggest update yet, so it is taking me a while to finish updating the update!
Jul 7 2014 on Kingdom Death : Monster
I am not fully certain. Tomorrow I am splitting my 16 hour workday, 8 hours with the team working. Then 8 hours on alone finishing the update, which includes finishing the words, photos, quick proof reading and then finally the tedious task of inserting it all into kick starters update system.
I hope this update also has some dates in terms of shipping, as I'm...beginning to get antsy here!
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
You're... you're joking, right?
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Post by: Dentry
Now I'm very curious what the update will contain if it's taking so long to put together.
Hmm, comprehensive gameplay videos? Detailed outline of current manufacturing and shipping status/plans? KD cosplaying models showing off the full line of KD:M figures produced?
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
I suspect a whole bunch of assembled armour kits (and hopefully spidiculese)
and maybe a first look at the box?
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Post by: cincydooley
Knowing Poots and his schedule, I'm sure the update will drop at like, 2AM.
He's such a night owl!
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Post by: gunslingerpro
cincydooley wrote:Knowing Poots and his schedule, I'm sure the update will drop at like, 2AM.
He's such a night owl!
Seeing as I'm currently on night shift, I am totally okay with this!
I assume he's got the last of the plastic bits together (barring maybe one or two bigger kits). I've been day dreaming about this update for days now. Let' sjust hope we're not getting pushed back again (it's been acceptable thus far, but I'm starting to get anxious)!
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
Yeah. I'm never going to paint them. They'll probably end up next to my Space Marines and mantic orcs.
In a closet.
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Post by: Baragash
Put together my first model from the pin-up collection last night, now I'm really excited about what this is going to be like once I finally get my hands on the models
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Well no update and it seems to have been the breaking point for a few in the comments
no wonder Adam has to be oh so careful in what he says, a comments posting about what he was trying to do regarding an update is translated into an absolute promise that causes some backers to feel betrayed when he misses....
and we all know 16hr working days are so easy to do and just guaranteed to go to plan
(I'm still looking forward to the update myself whenever it drops)
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Post by: Chemical Cutthroat
Its like that Simpsons episode.
"This thing'll clash fry a buffalo in 5 seconds!"
"But I want my buffalo noooooooow..."
I was a little surprised not to see an update when I woke up this morning. My minor disappointment must mean The Internet is circling wagons and sharpening knives.
Hope it gets dropped today. For all our sakes!
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Doesn't kickstarter usually have a delay of a couple hours? Or hell, he could have just passed out at his computer monitor.
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Post by: Cyporiean
No, updates go up instantly (and give you 30minutes to edit them).
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Post by: Sinful Hero
 Cyporiean wrote:
No, updates go up instantly (and give you 30minutes to edit them).
Ah, so he fell asleep then!
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Post by: Alpharius
I think people are finally getting to the point where they're really wanting a firm(ish) delivery date now.
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Post by: RiTides
Alpharius wrote:I think people are finally getting to the point where they're really wanting a firm(ish) delivery date now.
That's reasonable at this point (just knowing / getting a projection). Would love to have one for Dreamforge after the last has been missed with no new estimate... Q2 is looking like Q4 now as an absolute best case for that campaign, I think.
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Post by: Wehrkind
Yea, for all the love, support and understanding people have for this project, there does come a point when people want to see a return on their investment. Or at least a target for when they can expect to see it.
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Post by: greywulf
Any rage is very curious, since when Adam said he'd be working on the update 'tomorrow,' it was July 7th. So tomorrow would be July 8th, Wednesday, and since it's still Tuesday here in the EST timezone, we're not there yet. Until we get to the end of the 8th without an update I don't think Adam's broken his vow in any way.
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Post by: Alpharius
Creator Kingdom Death 10 minutes ago
Just chiming in to let you guys know I am working on the update.
So, it is coming...soon!
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Post by: Dentry
Dead tired and looking forward to reading Adam's update in my down time tonight.
Hopefully he doesn't fall asleep at his keyboard.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
he's said it will be a day or two, but has let slip Automatically Appended Next Post: The arms will take some putty work at the shoulder joints to look their best, but I think their was no better option with no clothing to mask the joint (and to allow maximum poseability) edit: spoiler added for those that asked for it
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
What happened to their shoulder blades?
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Post by: BrookM
Agreed, their backs are awfully smooth.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
Looks like they all skipped back day at the gym.
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Post by: Schmapdi
Unisex hands? That's going to give all the women a bad case of man-hands. (Or all the men little girls hands).
Either way - someone's getting some funky hands.
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Full text-
@kingdomdeath: It's going to take another day or two, for the update, so I offer my most humble apology and an image from it: Gigantic picture that mobile users would appreciate being hidden in spoiler tags
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Post by: DaveC
Hmmm there's something a bit wrestling toy/action man figure about the male torsos and I can see why he's had trouble with the kits that said it's probably only the unarmoured kit that has the problem as the others have clothing to mask the joins better. The rest looks good and on the plus side lots of spare heads to use on other figures/ranges (that might have soft facial details perhaps).
(and yeah Sinful Hero has a point it's next to impossible to view that image on a phone screen)
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Hopefully the spare heads will scale well with Relic Knights. My Cerci Pit Crew could use a head with a more detailed face than Slenderman.
The thing I hate most about huge pictures like that is when I hit "First Unread" it drags me back up to the picture everytime.
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Post by: Alpharius
Yeah, those 'smooth backed' torsos are a rare misstep here...
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Post by: HaleysRedComet
I have a theory - probably a crazy one - that could explain the plain back issue. So - the survivors just kind of come into existence. I think that the Scribe writes them into existence as what he thinks as idealized human creatures. Also - the smaller male starting survivor looks a lot like the Scribe, leading me to believe that the Scribe is a bit vain. Could the reason that the survivors lack back muscles be that the Scribe only pays attention to the "mirror muscles" and facial details when creating survivors and just skipped putting any thought into the back muscles?
But seriously - these look great, would have loved for the backs to be a bit more detailed, but I hope that my team will have armor on before long so not really an issue. Really looking forward to receiving my big box and putting some of these together!
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Post by: Albino Squirrel
I'm not very impressed with these. The two lower body options for each sex look like they are mirrors of each other, and the upper bodies look almost identical as well. So there isn't much variety. Add in the fact that the hand options only include holding a lantern, holding a rock, or shaking hands(?), and aside from the heads they will all look pretty much the same. And yes, it looks like somebody just forgot to finish sculpting the backs on these.
There are a good variety of heads, which is nice, though I don't understand why they included two of each of them on a sprue that only has two male and two female figures. Are people going to want to make two of the exact same guy? Hopefully the more open hands are designed to hold weapons from the other kits, which will allow more variety. In that case, maybe the idea is that you would actually make two of the exact same person, they'd just have different weapons and equipment to represent advancement in the game over time.
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Post by: Chemical Cutthroat
To be fair, you're probably going to spend only a session or two as the lowly toga-clad survivor. Then on to bigger and better things.
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Post by: BrookM
Multiple heads are great for models wearing armour.
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Post by: HaleysRedComet
The survivor kits are designed to be mixed and matched - so this is why this one looks a little underwhelming in terms of options. Each armor kit makes 2 male and 2 female survivors, and has all of the options for that armor kit in terms of weapons and extras. So - one might take the unarmed upper body but have a bone helmet and lion weapons. I also suspect that there are so many heads because this kit is the only source of unarmored heads in the game.
The variety comes from the amount of different options and how you choose to put them together. I am hoping to see a lot of different combinations once the game is out and see how they work together.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
I suspect the heads were included because there was space on the sprue, once Adam included the stuff there had to be there, you can leave it empty or (for a bit more cash in terms of milling time) you can fill it with something as the outer frames will be a standard size
(it also means you can use the same head on one of the 'armour kit' bodies if you're not using or don't have a helmet which is going to be very useful for those building as they play)
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Post by: Sinful Hero
I'm quite disappointed there isn't a bald screaming man-head. I thought that was standard? 
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Post by: Undead_Love-Machine
Oh dear, I'm disappointed with these.
They do look very much like action figures. In hindsight they should have been sculpted with some minor clothiing items, if only to hide the joints where the arms meet the body.
I would have much preferred it if Poots had the resin bare survivors cast in restic(!) instead of these multi-part hard plastic monstrosities.
Also, I'm starting to wonder if HaleysRedComet is a Poots sock puppet...the justifications for the poor sculpting are a little too in-depth
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Undead_Love-Machine wrote:Oh dear, I'm disappointed with these.
They do look very much like action figures. In hindsight they should have been sculpted with some minor clothiing items, if only to hide the joints where the arms meet the body.
I would have much preferred it if Poots had the resin bare survivors cast in restic(!) instead of these multi-part hard plastic monstrosities.
Also, I'm starting to wonder if HaleysRedComet is a Poots sock puppet...the justifications for the poor sculpting are a little too in-depth
...or he's just a fan of the Mythos. I would assume that would be more likely, as Poots posts here every now and again and needs no sock puppets to sing his praises.
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Post by: Dentry
Are these the four named starting survivors? I thought they were extra, generic survivors.
In any case, the backs are a bit odd but still acceptable. The eyes on some of heads look missing and that's an very odd.
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Post by: Undead_Love-Machine
I'm not sure, hopefully they are extra, generic survivors.
I hadn't noticed the eyes, they do look odd.
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Post by: HaleysRedComet
I am just a fan - and my explanation was not meant to be entirely serious. Thanks for assuming that I am a sock puppet though, my whole 2 post history really provides a ton of evidence for it.
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Post by: Alpharius
I think that whole Sock Puppet thing was a joke!
Anyway...
The Unarmored Survivors are the first 'chink in the armor' for KD: M, I think.
It isn't a huge deal, but...
The back?
The weird 'missing' eyes?
Odd...
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Post by: Dentry
Looking at the picture again, and the title Unarmored Kit, leads me to believe that, yes, these aren't the four named starting survivors. Could always be wrong, of course, but I doubt it.
Everything we've seen so far for KD:M from Adam has been great, resins and plastics. The only real issue with the above miniatures is perhaps the posing (and missing eyes maybe).
I'm still happy with their quality but they don't wow me like KD stuff usually does.
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Post by: HaleysRedComet
Ugh - sorry, just noticed the smiley faces. I hope the eyes are more evident on the minis when they are in hand, some of them have eyeballs but some look like they are really deep in there.
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Post by: Undead_Love-Machine
Yeah, I used the laughing ork emoticon to try and keep it humorous, it was intended as being light hearted but I apologise for any offence caused.
Regarding the odd eyes, I might paint mine with blood coming from the sockets to make them look extra creepy.
Then again, that may make them look a little too creepy. Especially in a world full of boob monsters and lions with penis-tails.
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Post by: DaveC
Yeah these are generic unarmoured survivors we already saw the 4 starting survivors in plastic in update #82
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Post by: Alpharius
From what we can see, the Starting 4 seem to have backs that are better defined.
(Stop laughing!)
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Post by: Dentry
I feel like a second string Spartan standing in a phalanx when I stare at those backs.
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
*hyperventilates* I just got my shipping notification for the wet nurse.
Time to tiddy up the workbench a bit.
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Mathieu Raymond wrote:*hyperventilates* I just got my shipping notification for the wet nurse.
Time to tiddy up the workbench a bit.
Mine came in today.
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Post by: Alpharius
The Wet Nurse wasn't part of the Kickstarter, was it?
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Post by: Dentry
No it wasn't. Neither the regular or pinup version.
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Post by: gunslingerpro
Hmm. Maybe there are some armor kits that sort of, erm, snap on it the back maybe?
Still interested in the update. Excitement level high.
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Post by: Sinful Hero
To whom it may concern-
@kingdomdeath: All remaining store orders have been fulfilled! They go out today/tomorrow. All King Encore orders will ship when we receive them. Thanks!
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Post by: Alpharius
This is the Kickstarter thread though...
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Post by: Sinful Hero
They're titled similarly that I forget to post what where sometimes. Or which is which.
So... Update today or tomorrow right?
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Post by: Alpharius
Sinful Hero wrote:They're titled similarly that I forget to post what where sometimes. Or which is which.
This one here is for Kickstarter stuff.
The 'general' one for Kingdom Death, titled "Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread" is here:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/503919.page
So, while news from the Kickstarter could certainly show up there, general news and stuff really shouldn't end up here.
I certainly hope so.
And I really hope we finally get a firm ship date, though I doubt that's going to happen!
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Post by: Sinful Hero
I've subscribed to both- if you'll notice both start with "Kingdom Death" and I've been a little quick on the trigger today. I apologize.
I'm hoping for an assembled Spidicules myself- I really liked the original and I'm curious how the revised version will turn out. Maybe we'll see more painted models as well. *cough*Dragon King*cough*
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Post by: Alpharius
So the latest update is out, and...it is awesome!
However:
No more estimates. The project and its fulfillment will be done, when it's done.
Huh.
So, there's a very real possibility of this one slipping - a lot.
Like, maybe 2015 even.
Oh well!
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Post by: cincydooley
So the one key thing that no one has said yet:
The game will be $250 at retail, contains over 1000 cards, and has a 223 page rule/lore book.
Holy nuts.
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Post by: gunslingerpro
And weigh in at 12lbs. How much did Ogre weigh again?
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Post by: Alpharius
Ogre was around 25 pounds, IIRC.
Don't get me wrong, we're getting a LOT here, and it will be very nice.
And we'll saving a TON over retail - even discounted retail, if it even ever makes it to that.
But, I'd have like so clue as to when this is going to ship.
Because right now, I'm seeing '2015'.
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Post by: Dentry
Good. I'll be able to afford those renovations to my house so I can store all the crap I'm getting.
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Post by: BrookM
I got the same notification four times in a row..
As much as I loathe the fact that it's being pushed back into 3D Realms territory now with the infamous "When it's done, it's done" quote, Adam is still better than Raging Heroes.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
The update broke KS again so some people got a notification, others got lots and others none.....
Adam (&co?) then resorted to sending individual messages to at least some of us letting us know it was up
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Post by: BrookM
Prolly for the best, my brother the co-backer is grumbling a lot about the delays, so the less he knows the better.
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Post by: Baragash
Seems like I got the message 4 times..... lol
EDIT: hmmmm, better invest in some lube for the taxes then
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Post by: zedmeister
 Baragash wrote:Seems like I got the message 4 times..... lol EDIT: hmmmm, better invest in some lube for the taxes then
Indeed, not forgetting the royal fail handling charge on top of that 
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Post by: Still Standing
Customs and tax that I'll have to pay for bringing this in to the UK is 20%, right? Being told "hard luck, suck it up and pay an extra $230US" doesn't make me feel like a valued customer.
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Post by: Cyporiean
 Still Standing wrote:Customs and tax that I'll have to pay for bringing this in to the UK is 20%, right? Being told "hard luck, suck it up and pay an extra $230US" doesn't make me feel like a valued customer.
Its not like Poots made your country's import taxation laws, or that this is a new thing when buying from out of the UK.
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Post by: Chemical Cutthroat
Indeed, can't exactly blame the business for your country's ludicrous import taxes.
Its like a reverse Boston Tea Party.
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Post by: BrookM
I just hope non-US shipments also receive a track and trace number.
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Post by: cincydooley
Chemical Cutthroat wrote:Indeed, can't exactly blame the business for your country's ludicrous import taxes.
Its like a reverse Boston Tea Party.
Nor can you expect them to lie on custom papers and jeopardize their business to get it to you cheaper.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Still Standing wrote:Customs and tax that I'll have to pay for bringing this in to the UK is 20%, right? Being told "hard luck, suck it up and pay an extra $230US" doesn't make me feel like a valued customer.
Adam never said he'd be able to shipping from within the EU so we were always going to have to pay this
It would have been nicer if his investigations had show him a way to do so (with the money he has), but at least he tried (and continues to do so)
I think he feels he has to be blunt as more recent projects (that have planed to do so right from the start) are more common and backers may come to expect him to do the same and thus be badly surprised when he can't. It also means we have plenty of warning to start saving to pay the tax
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
I spent a day in Vermont during Canada Day (yes, not the best way to be patriotic, I know). and we bought antiques. The border guards asks if we purchased anything, and I say yes and hand him the receipts... he looks at me like I am nuts.
Taxes are my salary... I might as well pay them.
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Post by: Bioptic
To be fair, the taxes are paid even on "EU-friendly" Kickstarters, they are just pre-paid by the distributor before dispatch. This is much more efficient because:
1) VAT is charged on the full amount, shipping included, and shipping cost per unit on a freight container entering the EU is lower than 2000 individual packages.
2) If the VAT is not paid before dispatch, then the courier/postal service collecting it has to pay it, and then bills you for this amount + a flat fee of around $15 equivalent. Yes, even for that $30 order.
So EU-friendly Kickstarters still charge fairly high shipping, but use that shipping to pay the (lower) VAT charges in advance. I can totally understand why Adam wasn't able to secure this, although it is a bit of a blow when combined with 1) him not wanting to go to retail, and 2) him not having an EU distributor for retail lined up.
For example, I was able to get the 'basic' Survivor late-pledge last year, which doesn't allow add-ons - fair enough. If I decide that I want e.g. the King expansion at release, I'd have to pay $80 + ~$25 shipping + $21 VAT+$15 handling fee = ~$141. That's just not an attractive price, and Adam is only seeing half of every penny being spent on that purchase.
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Post by: Wehrkind
I have to admit, I am so sad I didn't have the money to get in on this that I dread it ever actually shipping, because when it ships I will be on the outside looking in at the warm glow of everyone putting together their models, while I shiver out in the cold and think of what might have been.
And yea, seriously EU people and Brits, your import regulations are bonkers. I think you need to start throwing politicians into the harbors. Tea might not cut it
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Post by: KoganStyle
Yeah, despite the Pledge manager reopening I'm unwilling to invest further. We see a picture of what's been completed (model production wise) but no scaling on the time required to complete the outstanding models and moulds. I dread a 2015 delivery time!
While I think its great Poots has tried to ram as much Art, models, and cards into the game as possible, I do think he needs to pull the trigger and leave it to produce and complete. Extra sections could be done later as "expansions" or "companion" packs. The new game now looks very unwieldy compared to its original form, and I think for retail he should consider stripping down the content to reduce the price and weight of the item, then package up the rest as an add-on if people want more than the base game.
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Post by: skarsol
Has there been any confirmation on when/how the pledge manager will reopen? He seems to be ducking that question in the comments.
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Post by: Sinful Hero
I thought it was the 23rd?
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Post by: Still Standing
There are literally thousands of logistic companies with the ability and willingness to redistribute for him. 5410 people have pledged towards Kingdom Death. Obviously I don't know the breakdown of who lives where and what they have ordered, but if we assume a conservative 1000 have ordered from within the EU that gives Poots $45,000 to deal with EU shipping. 1x 20' ISO container, and a truck either side to deliver from his warehouse and to the distributor, plus their third party fee. I've run distribution from the UK to the Middle East by air, rail and sea. If Poots thinks it is not possible, and that it is acceptable to lumber me with over a $200 bill when i have already paid him a good chunk of cash, then he really is not looking hard enough.
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Post by: Wehrkind
Perhaps you ought to set something up for him? If there are ~1000 fellows in the EU who would benefit and are looking at something like 100-200$ apiece you could make a fair bit of cash yourself while saving them a lot of money.
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Post by: Alpharius
I was thinking the same thing!
Shoot him an e-mail explaining your plan - who knows, you could make a lot of money AND a lot of new EU based friends!
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Post by: BrookM
Not being ripped off by customs would be..
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Post by: Still Standing
I already have a job which keeps me very busy.
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Post by: kingdomdeath
@Still Standding,
Please feel free to send me contacts for the logistics companies you mentioned.
I am doing my best, but I am not a logistics expert. I am also not responsible for individuals taxes or countries various laws. Thus far every company we have spoken and done background research on, has lead us to a single conclusion...
We have yet to find a solution wherein I feel confident that nearly half a million in product will be packaged and shipped appropriately to each backer.
Please keep in mind that some parts of the project are not being packaged and shrink wrapped in china and sent over in a series of ready to go freights. It is essential that all parts of the projects end in a singular place. Not being able to oversee that personally (as it would work with a foreign logistics company) does not sit right with me.
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Post by: Sinful Hero
@Adam
How do you intend to pack everything as of now? Yourself and a few volunteers? Or are you hiring a company to help?
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Post by: kingdomdeath
@KoganStyle,
If there was a big red juicy "finish now" button, I would have slammed it months ago. The reality of the process is simple, as only a finite number of hard plastic tools can be finalized a month. Even if we didn't add more art or content, the time resource would remain the same.
@Still Standing, I never said "hard luck, suck it up and pay an extra $230US".
@BrookM, I am not super thrilled either. I simply cannot continue making estimates based on timelines that I don't have exacting control over. I opted for truth and transparency, plain and simple and I needed to make an official statement that covered all parties. Including, the backers, myself, the team and the vendors.
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@Sinful Hero,
Myself, Joe and Anna will be heading up the packing and fulfillment. We have a few regulars that we hire during heavy order leads and will most likely grab a few more to speed up the process. It is vital to me that people familiar with the product pack everyones reward boxes. I'd like to see less then 1% errors, which is what we have reached for our normal orders.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Cheers for popping in Adam,
Sadly I think you're right about the pitfalls of a random logistics company packing stuff they just don't understand about
(it's shown when companies like Mantic have had their own office staff pack pledges, lots of mistakes get made and that's using extra staff who might well understand what they're packing even if its not their normal job)
Oh and I love the Wetnurse Pinup that arrived last week
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
Got mine today. Can't wait to get a thick coat of primer on it, then undiluted paint, too much wash and then a liberal amount of drybrush on it!
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Post by: IK-Painter
Mathieu Raymond wrote:Got mine today. Can't wait to get a thick coat of primer on it, then undiluted paint, too much wash and then a liberal amount of drybrush on it!
Some people just want to see the world burn... ;-)
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
Mathieu Raymond wrote:Got mine today. Can't wait to get a thick coat of primer on it, then undiluted paint, too much wash and then a liberal amount of drybrush on it!
Don't forget to greenstuff over the mold lines since it's faster than cleaning them.
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Post by: Bioptic
 BobtheInquisitor wrote: Mathieu Raymond wrote:Got mine today. Can't wait to get a thick coat of primer on it, then undiluted paint, too much wash and then a liberal amount of drybrush on it!
Don't forget to greenstuff over the mold lines since it's faster than cleaning them.
Actually, I've found that if you strongly scrape the cutting edge of a large pair of household scissors along the mould lines, it does the trick in a minimal amount of time - gets rid of just about everything! And Top Tip for drybrushing - only ever do it in white. I know that there's a lot of talk going around about complimentary colours and whatnot, but white is lighter than everything - does the entire job in one go, and you get that prized 'dusty' look to boot.
...I genuinely don't know what I'm going to do about painting these. Once you've painted one survivor, you then have to paint every single one you're going to use in the future or the contrast will look terrible! And it sounds like you'll be changing them quite often. Although, because the line will be in a white/light grey plastic, it will look quite nice and 'statuesque' when left unpainted.
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
If you do thin coats and use a diluted wash, you could just grayscale them. Force a bit of artificial light on the whole model, and you're done. Just a suggestion, but it might be worth a try.
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Post by: Dentry
The only problem I've ever had with thinning paint is going overboard with it. Still not sure if it's the brush (usually synthetic) or the combination of water, paint, and flow improver.
Not an issue most of the time but I've learned to test my paint away from the finer detail.
The model I'm most excited to paint would have to be the Dragon King. At the same time, it's a daunting proposition.
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Post by: cincydooley
I feel like I robbed a bank with that Dragon King.
I got that expansion for $35. REALLY??!
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Post by: Wehrkind
I bet shortly after this ships professional painting services are going to be swamped. If they are not advertising and lining up customers in advance, they should be.
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Post by: BrookM
That's what I was thinking myself, I'd hate to ruin these fine models.
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Post by: Dentry
Of course, hilarity will ensue with scathing reviews for professional painters when those miniatures come back at less-than-golden-demon standards.
I'm guessing that a KD:M set "done right" will cost significantly more than the pledge alone.
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Post by: Ramos Asura
I know that for my part as a "professional painter" (I do commissions, ymmv on the term "professional"), I'm gonna be having my hands full for my -own- massive box of plastic crack. That and Im even a bit hesitant to put brush to some of these
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Post by: Bromsy
I'm working to get myself back up to snuff, it should be a nice challenge.
If all else fails, paint them all as statuary or something. A bit nonsensical but at least it'd be easy to make them look good.
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Post by: Fafnir
It's been a very long time since I've ever painted a miniature, I'm hoping so desperately that I haven't gotten so rusty as to be a disservice.
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Post by: RiTides
Plenty of time to get practice before this ships . With no estimate given, I'm going to say Q3 2015 for this to be completely fulfilled. Mark me down now! I kept thinking people were overestimating Dreamforge's timeline, but we're still waiting... thankfully he has given a clear chart of remaining tasks, but even with that project further along and having started much earlier, I'll be thrilled if its last wave ships in 2014.
No estimate = end not in sight... that said, the chart of remaining tasks for tooling for Kingdom Death was also good. Obviously tons of progress has been made, but there's a lot left to do!
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Post by: Alpharius
Q3 2015?!?
You had BETTER be wrong!
My patience will have run out long before then!
I'm guessing either and end of year 2014 or, if that gets missed, an end of Q1 2015 shipment date...
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Post by: BrookM
I'm going to say Q1 2015 at the latest for all non-US backers. Amerikanski should have their pledges in hand well before that.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
With store orders KD are pretty good about shipping in order of purchase,
so they might just do that for the KS too
although I'll understand if they want to get the easier US stuff done first...... I'll cry but I'll understand
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Post by: Alpharius
Jul 23 2014 on Kingdom Death : Monster
Hello! I will answer 1 question about the game (or exapnsions), but only 1! First come, first serve!
Jul 23 2014 on Kingdom Death : Monster
Sneaky! However that questions isn't really specific enough to answer. Weapons don't come with armor sets. There are weapons you can craft at locations and there are plastic weapons on sprues that also have parts for armor sets.
Jul 23 2014 on Kingdom Death : Monster
The showdown with the Spidicules has a nest in the center of the board. Spidicules communicates with it's spawn at a frequency we cannot hear. Interestingly enough, whatever rotting human is hanging from its special appendage will twitch and have different muscle spasms, depending on the message communicated. In game terms, Spidicules has a series of mood cards that effect the spawns behavior and on each card is an illustration of the hanging human in a different twitchy pose.
I'm so glad that I went in for one of everything that had 'game content'...
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Post by: skarsol
Did the threats of the pledge manager reopening ever bear fruit?
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