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Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/12 11:47:39


Post by: Theophony


MINION DAVE: ZOMBIE HUNTER

Dave isn't just a cultural icon on necromunda, he's a zombie fighting fanatic. Here we have found him with his henchman after trapping one of the scaavie zombies in the park.

"It's a deadmans party, who could ask for more"...than a piñata?

The henchman reminds the zombie that he's supposed to "leave your mind and soul at the door", along with your legs and abdomen

Alas poor zombie I slew you well

Henchman: say goodnight zombie
Zombie: not without a kiss
Henchman: not happening
Zombie: can you put me back together so I can find a brain, I'm getting hungry, and the pickins around here are pretty slim.
Dave: and it's a long fly ball to deep center field


Sorry, no idea where that came from....
Hopefully you can see the chain sizes hanging there. Those are the options as I'm not going to buy more sizes. Otherwise it's using the wire ties from toy packages....see below.

After taking the pic I'm leaning towards the cable as it has a central wire that I can pose the swings with, but still would like some input.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/12 12:09:07


Post by: dsteingass


Haha silly

The chain on the left looks good in the last shot, more proportionate.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/12 12:37:24


Post by: Theophony


When servo skulls attack, episode 10: swingers

Servo skull1: I love this rec center
Servo skull2: yes, it's so relaxing
Servo skull3: maybe for you, but your not sitting next to Gitskull

Gitskull: he he, GO FASTA he he engine whines up...snap

I have a seat with the smaller chain drying right now, will see how that looks before I proceed further.....

But that's not stopping Gitskull from having fun


Gitskull: Weeeeeee!!!!!!!

Edit: dried quickly



Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/12 13:26:00


Post by: Viktor von Domm


Well, i think the chain looks more true to the purpose... And a lovley little joke with the three/four swingers.
Although the zombie fighting pinata was a bit weird


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/12 16:27:33


Post by: shasolenzabi


I see Theo has been busy!


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/12 16:37:30


Post by: dsteingass


LOVE the Zombie Pinata!


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/12 16:42:42


Post by: Dr H


I think the thin chain works well. Good work Theo.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/12 17:52:54


Post by: Theophony


well once AGAIN I screwed the pooch while measuring one swing is the right height and the rest are way too high. I guess I could trim down the height of the swingset, but id probably mess that up as well. think ill just cut the seats off and make this piece be the extraction point for where the prisoner exchanges happen. cuff the captured ganger to chains of the swingset, walk back and take up sniper positions, at kill anyone who gets close

off to look for minigolf design ideas as the course near us was tame, mostly straight shots with little hills and bumps.

@shaso, im always busy, or lazy, or weird
@Vik, see above
@Dave, wouldn't be a party without a piñata, even if it's a bit ripe (or R.I.P.)
@Dr. H, the chains were perfect I think, a paint to glue in place, but now I must find the same thing now that I bought 10+ years ago.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/12 20:06:04


Post by: Viktor von Domm


do you count the chain links? or how do you measure? i think a ruler for that job wouldn´t make that much sense here... counting the links would be more precise as the links move and so the length may very well vary...


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/12 20:28:51


Post by: lone dirty dog


Could you not just split some links and add some more length to the short chains, how many times do we make errors like that and kick our selves


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/12 20:54:04


Post by: Viktor von Domm


you wouldn´t want to know ... the can is full of my not able to stay alive projects


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/12 20:54:31


Post by: Theophony


@Vik,I pinned down one end and pulled tight, it was totally just a fubar with reading the tape measure. Even being off by one or two wouldn't have been a huge issue.
@LDD, these links are so tiny, each one is 1/32" in size. I'm getting better with tinier sized stuff, but this is far too skinny for my fat fingers.

I think I have an idea on how to make 1 other one work, then the middle two swings will be the hostage swings , one for scenarios, one for gratuitous violence.

Spent most of today playing Legos with my son, Barrie's with the girls, and going to the library. Still just worked on this for a few minutes


Box one of many. Already have ideas on how to make it better in version 2.0. Future boxes of loot. I really need the model train shop to be open, they are closed on Mondays. I want to find that pipe set to do more jungle gym material, also have an idea for another common playground piece from my era, hopefully can go get what I need tonight when the wife gets home.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/12 21:06:49


Post by: Viktor von Domm


maybe try to add a bit of wood grain to the box.... would make a really good looking old fashioned teabox...



Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/12 21:07:40


Post by: Dr H


Nice box. It's only few details short of a weighted companion cube...

On the short chain issue. You could chop the chains of the short swings in the middle (unevenly) and leave half on the frame and half on the seat and then position the seat on the ground beneath the frame to show it has snapped off (probably from some over enthusiastic ork skull).


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/12 21:10:53


Post by: Viktor von Domm


oh yeah... good idea... the post apocalyptic playground theme... the one destroyed swing we all know from terminator and so on... we know for sure... any men made nuke is only strong enough to destroy hapf a swing...if at all^^


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/12 21:13:43


Post by: dsteingass


 Dr H wrote:
Nice box. It's only few details short of a weighted companion cube...


Haha! YES!


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/12 22:13:55


Post by: Viktor von Domm


what the feth is that dave? looks like storage boxes of happy marines


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/13 02:52:31


Post by: Theophony


Well I had to look up the weighted companion cube, I'm not a video gamer so that was way above my head , but the game look neat.
Vik wants wood texture to the cube??? This is not the dr. H, blog, I don't have that much patience , but I did cut other slats for version 2.0.

It will be the wood shipping crate where version 1.0 is the metal reinforced. I'll have to do putty work on the first one, and waiting impatiently for my rivets to arrive from china. I guess I'll use the time to practice measuring .
I had a broken train track sitting nearby and had been cutting them into pallets, but my old Lego eye saw they could mesh together. I'll pick up some more busted track tomorrow at the train shop. I think they make nice looking trash can wraps for the park, or even planter boxes for trees. They also serve as makeshift ladders, and as I said pallets.



Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/13 10:49:47


Post by: Dr H


Yeah, the weighted companion cube of "Portal" fame. Loved by anyone that's played the game.

New box is also cool and good use of broken tracks.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/13 13:45:15


Post by: Theophony


Thanks Dr. H, the broken track also makes a nice quick picket fence , but I'm sure you could make it more realistic given sprue, sharp blades, and band aids

This morning I returned to the under hive for a little bit. The blank wall that I started to work recently, had a panel made from part of a gw kit. That's usually the start of my ideas, I like seeing other people's work and going from there. I guess that makes me a second generation inventor. The first generation comes up with an idea, the second generation takes that idea and goes another step, or off on a tangent. Lord knows I'm off on a tangent , and wouldn't have it any other way. So the hatch I Made for necromunda, similar to the crawl spaces of Star Trek got another rework. I'm starting to try and stretch myself to do more detail work, using smaller and smaller pieces and get more detail into every piece. So here is version 2.0, using only plastic card, rod and tube.

Closed hatch

Hatch assemblies.

I'm pretty proud of the small work. Not really as detailed as other people do, but I'm still learning. I will never consider myself a master, just omen who has tried and sometimes succeeded. Still waiting on my new rivets , as they are super tiny, and I want to keep pushing smaller and more detailed. Who knows, might even try sculpting soon, or break the airbrush out again.

I also came to the conclusion yesterday while cleaning up that I will not be competing in competitions again. Though I will follow them, and it might inspire me to build something along the same lines, I get too competitive and then get "down" on my own work and skills when I see other people's entries. The competitions should be there to inspire me, not to bring me down, an that's what I've been letting happen to me.

Sunday the brother in law was over and we played bloodbowl, I got him to take home the necromunda books again. He saw the cardboard city I had set up and I think is finally starting to get inspired to try it out . He also wants something to do besides bloodbowl so neither of us gets burnt out on it.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/13 14:25:42


Post by: Dr H


Nice detail work on the hatch.

Don't feel down on you work. You make some really nice looking things. More importantly you have many good ideas.

You can practise the sculpting and learn to do that better, but you can't learn to generate ideas and you have that in spades.

Keep it up and keep pushing yourself (on your own terms) to make better and better models.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/13 14:55:07


Post by: Theophony


Thanks Dr. H, yeah, I just need to focus more on bringing my ideas further. I've been allowing myself to stop on projects before I'm done. I guess figuring that the people looking at the stuff I've made will "see" the same things I see. Now though, I want to complete some of these parts so that people can see exactly what I'm seeing.

Didn't like the hatch I had, so went another step.

This one gives me more of what I was trying to show. The keypad has a sidebar that extends into the reinforced ring on the door. The ring will get rivets, as well as rivets where the black marks are. I also notched the hinge to show the moving parts. I don't think it shows quite enough in the picture. Added a reinforced cable going to the keypad. Also added a handle onto the door once unlocked you have to be able to pull on something


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/13 15:02:00


Post by: nerdfest09


Hatch for the WIN! looks great Theo, really ....hatchy? love the amount of little detail on it! should look purely exeptional when painted!


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/13 17:03:00


Post by: Dark Apostle 666


Hey Theo, you're on fire with this suburban stuff - By the way, do you know where your "Zombie piñata" model comes from? I've been looking for that model for a little while now, but no luck so far :/

Oh, and I love the bulkhead/hatchways, I may have a go at making some myself


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/13 18:09:26


Post by: Theophony


@nerdfest, the detail work though not the best was really cathartic. I think I'm going to keep pushing the envelope with it.
@dark apostle 666, I appreciate your feedback. The model was part of he manticore games zombie sprue. It was one of the first things I did on my blog. I magnetized him so he could be chopped up in game.

So I was watching t.v. In the background while doing the hatch and thought....Necromunda needs more sewers and subways for the scaavies. Also since I had he brick pattern sheets I thought making a bulkhead out of brick could be nice as well. Might have to make one with windows next, but put this together. The hatch from earlier is just tacked in place right now on the blank backing.

They line up with the necromunda bulkheads, so I can use them alongside the old kit.

He actual bulkheads aren't truly square, but mine are so h tile can be turned on its side if necessary. I also tacked a small section of hardware cloth on the back t look like grating. I was thinking of adding a pipe going sideways across the brickwork that would be conduit for electrical work, but that might be something I do on a few pieces separately. Also would like to come up with a light kit fo the sewer so the workers aren't in he dark. Hard to spot hose crocodiles and gators when the lights are low. The spacing a top an bottom allows for .030" plastic arid to slide I between and be held by friction alone. That seems to be th same as the bulkheads by GW.

Edit: less than an hour later....if you take out the time for my shower and making the kids lunches. Here Is the next bulkhead, a roll up door for either a storage unit, dock, or security door on a business.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/13 21:55:18


Post by: Viktor von Domm


well.... if i have any thing to say here... it is... make some more of these bulkheads... and then get the helll to your airbrush .... we all need to see that stuff painted! really... i dunno why you always get to question yourself so much??? your stuff is top notch... creative as it gets and funny in places... but your bulkheads are totally business like!... the big roll up door is a very good idea... i am a bit puzzled no one else had them impemented into necromunda already?...(meaning GW)...
as for the new hatches... stunning work mate... i do see how you must have worked off your bum for this... the amount of detail is not just thrown on the table... you have to sweat and cuss like a shepherd for all that frilly stuff to get where you want it...

and then you also come up with other clever ideas as the reusing of train tracks... man... i think if you would skip the self hurting then you could rock any competition... really!


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/14 06:14:31


Post by: cormadepanda


this thread so crazy and awesome.. I love it.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/14 12:55:24


Post by: dsteingass


LOVE the brick bulkheads!


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/14 13:08:56


Post by: bbb


So those brick bulkheads... ever think of making some molds and casting up a bunch?


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/14 13:42:54


Post by: Theophony


@vik, GW doesn't really want to make money. I jokingly think they are trying to show possible investors that they can make money but there is still room for growth. This would get more money invested, and the big boys some large bonus $$$ before they jump ship.
@howling mad Murdock was always one of my favorite characters, glad the insanity stuck with me.
@dave, bricks for the brick gods!!! Legos for his comfy chair , I think the bricks just may add an extra element to the underhive. Makes. Subterrainian build seem more plausible.
@bbb, I've thought about it alot. Even looked into doing it on shapeway, then taking to a local plastic company that told m they could make them here. But someone made one of the GW ones on shape ways already, it's just $18.00 per bulkhead

These are once again prototypes. While they take a lot from the GW bulkheads, there was always a lot that could have been done differently. I want to have the same modularity, but still maintain individuality. I'll check with Galorn to see if he could duplicate these, but I'm afraid they'd have to be in plastic otherwise the tabs would snap with too much play. Also the thickness scares me as the bulkheads are .030" thick card with thin patterned sheet on the front. I've seen som really thin stuff molded, but its always glued to heavier stock. That being said I think if Hesse could be cast in resin, then glued to thin metal, then glued to a second bulkhead on the back I would allow for magnetic connections


Here's a pic with two of h bulkheads back o back with an extra sheet of .030" plastic between them. It's laid down next to a GW bulkhead to how how they could match up. The .030" plastic might also be where with proper cutting I could get tab holes for stacking these vertical. That would overcome my major dislike of the GW bulkhead where I has that tab on top, and one side of the base doesn't have a connection point.

The top and bottom channels on my bulkheads will be spaced to allow for either card stock like the original necromunda boxes, one a c clip/ channel hat could bid a great attachment point for plastruct/evergreen plastics to be connected. This way you could build 3d walkways with conduits, lights, and texture t o them and still have modularity.

This is all in the thought phases an will probably never go further at this time, although if it does I have a name for the brand in mind

Today's another day at the grandparents. It will be another short one as our kids have their meet n greet at their school tonight. They get to take all their supplies or their desks, and meet their teachers and fellow students before school begins tomorrow. We had a dry run of getting ready for school and the bus this morning, and all went well .


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/14 16:21:41


Post by: Galorn


That looks quite good.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/14 19:54:16


Post by: Viktor von Domm


well... i think not everything needs to be casted to be sold... actually you could go the artist way and just make your money by producing a unique set of bulkheads for a special purpose... kinda like making a complete board... like space crusade...

or...you could just enjoy building what you do best and keep it for your self...actually that is what i would suggest ... after all selling your children would be like cutting off a limb... at least for me... and i expect nonetheless from you


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/15 03:05:10


Post by: Theophony


Vik, I'm thinking of making a space hulk type board as I have both the 2nd and 3rd editions of the game, but never played. I'd love to come up with something I could do to make money while still looking for a job though. Just like the old adage, " find something you like to do and you'll never work another day in your life." I love to build , and if I can tell a story with it, even better. But in the end, food must get on the table for the kids, I can wait a while. In the mean time the stuff I build is for me, and for you my friends to enjoy looking at as well.

Finally got my stuff from china, as well as stuff from Walmart.

More glue, I use lots of it...probably too much. And the little vials are mallet than I thought, but so is the stuff inside. They are microbeads used for fingernail art. I've seen a few people use them for studs and rivets so I thought I'd give it a go.

Here's the beads next to a 1/16 rivet that was punched out of plastic card for comparison. These little are tiny and I'll have to figure a way to pick them up and place them where I want them.


Here's one of the scrapped hatches with the rivets put on. Just above the vent is one of the rivets that's on a rhino hatch for size comparison.


Right now I'm pre drilling with a tiny bit and a pin vise, then gluing the bead in.

Here's the nicer hatch with the beads. I know it looks like it has measles right now, but it will look much better with primer on it.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/15 07:19:42


Post by: lone dirty dog


Dam they are some small beads but they work really well, nice scratch builds as well like the brick bulkhead idea

Good luck with the venture hope it is financially lucrative and fun at the same time


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/15 07:50:32


Post by: Galorn


 lone dirty dog wrote:
Dam they are some small beads but they work really well, nice scratch builds as well like the brick bulkhead idea

Good luck with the venture hope it is financially lucrative and fun at the same time



^ Wot he said...


The stuff is seriously looking very good.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/15 08:53:17


Post by: Viktor von Domm


Hey tho, i think a good way to handle the tiny beads is by means of a stick and some putty on the tip. The putty kids play with...play doh and so on. You can attach the putt to the stick with superglue and then aim for a bead. Before that you had to drill the hole and put the drop of glue in place... And... The beads look mighty slick on that hatch. I think I need some of these too.I am a bit tired of the holepunched rivets in my own works...


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/15 14:24:27


Post by: Theophony


@LDD, thanks, I hope it works out too.
@galorn,
@vik, I tried that way as well, but I don't think the pic really shows just how tiny they are. The easiest way I've done it to date is just push down on it with my finger until it sticks to my hand, and get it close to the home, then use a paperclip to push it to the exact spot. I drop about half of them, but using poster tack on a stick wasn't getting to the spot I wanted.

Having to rush to my parents house, their van broke down,y dads the mechanic but not feeling good so I get to be the muscle.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/15 15:14:09


Post by: Dr H


Have you tried modelling tweezers? That's what I use for almost everything on a model. You have to be really gentle with things that small or you can launch them miles.

Good luck with the van.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/15 18:08:03


Post by: Viktor von Domm


I didn't meant sticky putty tho. Just that playstuff. But you could always use the adhesive power of simple water, maybe with a brush?


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/15 21:37:03


Post by: Theophony


@Vik, I'll try the water nd brush idea later tonight.
@dr. H, I'll put my eye out! I can just see the bead weaseling it's way around my glasses and right into my eye

So far my finger technique works well, as long as my finger isn't covered by a protective layer of glue I still drop he bead half the time, but I have a lifetime supply for $5.98 shipped (got 2 sets).

Did my time at he parents today, not working on the van because my dad was sick, but got to mow he lawn that hasn't been touched in three weeks while he had pneumonia. Wished my mom called me sooner as the tractor kept getting bogged down due to the height of the grass, but I guess I'll be headed over there each week until he's feeling better.

Only had a little bit to work on stuff when I got home before going outside to meet the kids coming off the bus from their first day of school. Hey had fun, but off to homework now so daddy can type this I'm so mean.

Here's what I built.

The brick wall was screaming sewer to me, and who would want to step in that.

Sump gator view showing the half roof above. I think I might make a walkway for the second story to rest on top of it. The z bar shape will get rivets on it for into the wall support. It also has space for a light kit I'm thinking about building.

Here's the sewer disassembled into three parts and you can see the bottom of the roof better as well as the stone squares for the bottom walkway.

Profile view of the three parts together.

Disassembled profile view for better idea.

Another view of the parts showing the full wall section standing alone for street level needs. The raised section could also be a dock level for trucks to back up to

I've got lots of ideas for add ons for this just waiting in m head ready to bust out.



Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/15 22:03:55


Post by: Dr H


Ah well. If it works with your finger, keep doing that.

Sewer section looks good.

Looks like you used quite a bit of plastic in that walkway, you sure you couldn't save a little and still make it?


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/15 22:25:01


Post by: Theophony


I could use Lego..

the inquisition has taken Theophony into questioning. Move along or you will join him.

I have lots of scrap, but as always this was just version 1.0, things will change and get streamlined along the way. After all this hopefully will get molded.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/15 22:36:36


Post by: Dr H


I was more looking at the tube in the middle. I know it helps space the rest out, but it's not absolutely necessary...

I am just being cheap though, I like to stretch my money/plastic as far as it'll go (that's why I use lots of sprue...).


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/15 23:10:37


Post by: Theophony


The base I had originally had only two pieces out from the wall, but then saw a person could not stand on it, so added another layer out. I do have plenty of sprue to use though, but wanted something I could easily duplicate, so used the pieces instead.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/15 23:18:47


Post by: Dr H


Ahh, I see. Concepts are always more expensive than the final product.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/15 23:36:41


Post by: Theophony


Besides, all those openings give me good connection points to other pieces, or places to run wires for power.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/16 07:20:44


Post by: Viktor von Domm


Seems we all want to make a sewer at a point in our hobbylife. Dave has made a start, and me too... Bothwith totally different approaches. But yours look very good, and makes me eager to see more. But I do share the opinion that all that looks very expensive. Or did you steal the brick pc?


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/16 09:08:29


Post by: Theophony


Brick pc was part of a supply haul last week that I got off the clearance rack. Still available from the manufacture, but the store stopped carrying, so hopefully can get more in future if needed. I was going to try their other locations today to get more of it and the diamond plate stuff.

Found an issue with the first roof/catwalk, of course it wasn't until after I made a second one of it. It was too narrow for a base to sit on so I made a wider one in the same manner.

The top of it has the diamond plating on it for slip protection, now this can have multiple layers to it. Where did that zombie go?

This might be better to cast in plaster, not sure though I'll leave that to an expert.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/16 10:11:53


Post by: Ruglud


I just can't get over how easily you move between projects and yet still manage to complete them, at least in bare plastic form...

This section looks great, really versatile and modular


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/16 12:00:48


Post by: Theophony


@ruglud, completed...... I don't think any one of my projects has ver been called that before. But thanks modularity is what I was hoping for.

In the deep darkness of the distant future there will be light.....and rivets


Thanks Vik for the brush idea with the rivets. (*one Important note, if your a brush licker like me, STOP, use water. I licked the brush to start dotted a single bead set it in the glue, picked up and did a few more beads, it stopped working so I licked the bush again only to have the brush stuck to my tongue [Vik. Hope you weren't drinking anything right there] a gentle tug removed it, but I went and garbled to make sure I didn't ingest the glue. Wish I had taken a pick of h brush stuck to my tongue, but was more concerned about urn sticking myself than posting a pic for you guys.....sorry)

Here's the little diorama I have going so far with all assembled pieces.



Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/16 12:54:44


Post by: Dr H


lol. Almost the start of a joke; Doctor Doctor I've got a brush stuck to my Tongue...

Nice strip light.
Ideal opportunity for OSL


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/16 15:42:41


Post by: Theophony


OSL? That must be one of those painting things right?
Forgot to mention it and the wire are not glued in place, nearly tacked on right now.

Was thinking about how to do stairs, originally wanted to do something similar to a fire escape ladder, or a hatch, but decided that wasn't risky enough in the underhive .

Side ladder wher the base is down in the gunk, and the few attachment points are rusty due to age. Would make for great house rules, like agility test or you fall and on a 4+ the ladder goes with you.

Closer view, it will get rivets on the attachment side also.

No cover save as your hanging out in the open.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/16 22:03:10


Post by: Viktor von Domm


oh... now that looks promising... promising of multi storey play areas... this one could be the donkey kong of ´munda gaming then...... or a new 3D version of snakes and ladders...

no honestly... i ever only saw one sewer like setup with so much detail and it was from hit the spot ( a fella here and a great painter...) by all means continue theo!!!

also...

Thanks Vik for the brush idea with the rivets. (*one Important note, if your a brush licker like me, STOP, use water. I licked the brush to start dotted a single bead set it in the glue, picked up and did a few more beads, it stopped working so I licked the bush again only to have the brush stuck to my tongue [Vik. Hope you weren't drinking anything right there] a gentle tug removed it, but I went and garbled to make sure I didn't ingest the glue. Wish I had taken a pick of h brush stuck to my tongue, but was more concerned about urn sticking myself than posting a pic for you guys.....sorry)


OMG.... you didn´t really lick the superglue brush now didn´t you? ouch... i don´t mind telling you that i am a bit phobic of superglue... always constantly afraid i might get glued together fingers or worse... but you certainly sparked a new flame of phobia....*shudders*...and i bet you garbbled like hells...i once got two fingers covered in a big splash of superglue and it burned on my skin like hell... all the skin got really dry and hard all of a sudden... somthing like this to happen on your tounge...omg...you have my deepest sympathy!!!


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/17 01:24:39


Post by: Theophony


Yes Vik, I did really have a brush stuck to my tongue. I even shook my head around hoping it old ly off like the drool flies off dogs mouths when they shake. My fingers are glued overhear quite often, I just this week got some of h glue with a precision tip applicator, and it works so much better.

My sewer inspiration came fom lots of sources, but when people talk about multistory my favorite example always goes back to this


I'd love to set that puppy up in the basement for necromunda.

Not much new an exciting today, built the tree protectors that I talked about, but forgot photos. I'll edit them in later.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/17 03:14:48


Post by: Galorn


 Theophony wrote:
Yes Vik, I did really have a brush stuck to my tongue. I even shook my head around hoping it old ly off like the drool flies off dogs mouths when they shake. My fingers are glued overhear quite often, I just this week got some of h glue with a precision tip applicator, and it works so much better.

My sewer inspiration came fom lots of sources, but when people talk about multistory my favorite example always goes back to this


I'd love to set that puppy up in the basement for necromunda.

Not much new an exciting today, built the tree protectors that I talked about, but forgot photos. I'll edit them in later.


I remember hearing tales of that creation... I would love to have one that was suitable built so that pieces could be rearranged on it.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/17 05:27:59


Post by: Theophony


I think I have an old magazine with more pictures of this and an article about making it. I will look for it sometime this week. I got invited to the Rams vs Greenbay Packers football game to tonight.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/17 08:28:58


Post by: Viktor von Domm


Now this is actually not thaaaat difficult to make, provided you have the right saw and sturdy mdf . I bet you coul do even better as this is not that detailed...and I think that would be awesome to play with... Damn I think I am hooked!


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/17 11:18:39


Post by: Theophony


It looks like 16 layers of bloodshed to me, if 3" tall per layer your looking at a 4' board. I guess it's a true 4'x4'x4' table. It reminds me of the habitat area in the newest judge dredd movie, a green tree I think it's called. Anyway I'll try to hunt it down in the magazine before everyone's up. In the mean time I remembered to take pics of the terrain make of broken railroad tracks.

Could fill them with stuff to make a shipping containers and stack them up. The single pieces I use as freight pallets.

Or add in the old starter box plastic plants and you have the fancy tree wraps you see in some municipalities. I used the barrel to represent a trash bin. Either way it can provide some quick cover on the streets.

FOUND THE ARTICLE FOR THAT HUGE BUILD, ISSUE 30 OF THE CITADEL JOURNAL....yes, I did shout when I found it after digging through my stacks of necromunda magazines, and citadel journals. The thing is made of foam board. I would use mdf, but I guess the foam is lighter. Not that I would try and move that monster around after its built.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/17 11:46:04


Post by: Dr H


I like the ambition of a multi-layer playing surface.
Nice ladder work.

and nice railroad boxes. Although the pictures are slightly upside-down...


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/17 12:20:36


Post by: Viktor von Domm


Ah... The world finally upside down for good! :p
I am really quite interested about said article as I think it makes not only a great table setup to play upon , But also a very cool looking display board and even a means for storage .
The palettes look very convincing and the coversetup is a nice addition


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/17 12:42:30


Post by: KingCracker


Vik I too am paranoid of super glue, I'm always afraid of it blowing up on my face. Though once that did happen, it got cclogged and I pressed thinking it would move the clog but instead it just popped and I turned my head thankfully in time and got a tubes worth on my cheek. That could of been disastrous.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/17 12:45:12


Post by: Theophony


Okay, so with another flash of imagination, and some dumb luck , I think I might be on to something. The brick looking plastic card sheet that I got has a negative surface on the back of it. I know I played with it before, but my dumb luck had found the scrap piece with that side up and I had just thought about making a plaster cast of it(the front), this cuts out a few steps along the way. I was going to make a cast of the front. Flip it and make a negative cast, then try casting sections for a wall. Now I can just use the back of it instead. I don't have any casting plaster, though I might try some joint compound I have extra of here in the basement, just as a proof of concept. Anyway, here's a quick mock up of the pouring station I created.

Now to search for more brick to try and do multiple stations to cut time down, and to do alternate versions.

@Dr. H, I though everyone including myself needed to get some perspective this morning. It's always good to turn things on their ear once in a while just to see if a new idea pops into your head. In other words I was lazy and didn't want to flip the iPad around after I took the pics
@Vik, pm me your email and I'll try and send good pics of the article to you. I'm sure they're out in the Internet somewhere though. The title is "the underhive workshop" by Tom merrigan .

Edit: first pour is underway. Just to check what the setup would be like. Using 20minute set lightweight drywall compound that I had a bag of from the old house. This house has mostly plaster walls, so this doesn't work too well. I can switch to plaster later if this works out, just want to see.


Edit2: first pour unmolded, second pour is in. At this rate I'll need to build more blocks for casting, as I'm loving the results.

Dried first pour. I had set up two small sections and the one large section. The small sections can be placed double deep to make the walkway for the sewer, or used single wide to make short walls or landscaping elements.

Side by side with the section I made of plastic card, this has both short sized bricks next to each other. I'll just need to make the concrete slabs for the walkways.

Next to a bulkhead that had that top interlocking notch taken off.

Milk, it does a body good , I got 24 jars of the beads for about $5.00, and when I had one of the jars next to the figure it reminded me of the old milk jugs that cow ranchers collected milk in. I'll trim the top part off when I'm done with the beads and paint it up. I'm too much of a purist to mix the beads into another container, but with how easy it was to make the handles I might break myself of that problem so I can stockpile the jugs.

Trying something different with this pour, might add a little more character to the underhive sewer.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/17 15:44:52


Post by: Viktor von Domm


now that casting worked better than i had anticipated...

and since you want to coin yourself ninja... i thuink that idea needs to be ninja-ed by many other too

and yup... i PM you my adress... i couldn´t find a link on my own...


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/17 15:53:21


Post by: Ruglud


Excellent casting, I always feel sad though when I see Lego used in this way - should invest in some cheaper version - Magabloks maybe

Oh, and that image of the multi level terrain, makes me thing of Judge Dredd and Block Wars !!


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/17 16:23:41


Post by: Dr H


Good job Theo, looks good.

I'd save those rings off the tops of the jars as well. Could be useful for hinges or tow ring things on vehicles.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/17 16:39:39


Post by: Theophony


@Vik, email sent, hopefully you can un jigsaw it. I've never sent an email with pics from the iPad, and it mixed them together.
@ruglud, the great hing is this joint compound slides right off the Lego, at worst I will have to rinse them.
@Dr. H, I save almost everything, I'm more like my wife's grandfather than I want to admit, probably why I get so frustrated by it.

Pour 2 was okay except a little too dry, and I didn't clean off the negative before pouring it
Pour 3 I got too wet and then spilled it so. Didn't get all three pieces
Pour 4 was just right, but was in too big a hurry and unmolded too soon, the two half pieces broke, but nothing unsalvageable. And will give character to the underhive.

Here's some pics

Left to right pour one thru four

Set up next to original plan, now we got some fighting room


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/17 17:12:11


Post by: Dr H


Nice weathering and battle damage.
Just like you intended, eh...


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/17 17:25:08


Post by: Theophony


Looking back I was actually wondering how to weather it and thought I could use my bb gun , now I don't have to. The first one doesn't look necromunda enough, it doesn't show hundreds/thousands of years worth of wear and tear. Was thinking of making a little sump dingy to ride in the sewer, but not enough time to get done before the competition ends. Speaking of which mine probably won't finish as I'm having too much fun with my mind in the gutter.

Leaving for a local fair for a few hours then for American football preseason game tonight, might check in via phone, but no more casts this evening, and probably not till Monday. But his will get me time to think of a layout and what else I should do block wise.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/17 17:40:14


Post by: Ruglud


The miscasts look great, better than the perfect cast


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/17 19:09:50


Post by: lone dirty dog


I think some ones trying to steal Daves crown that idea has worked really quite well and in the long run could save you a penny or two.

The miscasts have great potential and would give some great character to the layout, especially the broken section you should add a dripping pipe with plenty of and that will look great.

How well does it paint up mind ? Just incase it is very absorbent with your paint, those Beads were a dam fine buy did you say they were from China ?

If you could point me in the direction to the link I would be grateful I have a use for some very small beads I might have a look on ebay actually

Nice work and great idea hope to see some painted mind


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/17 19:21:41


Post by: Theophony



@Ruglud, I couldn't do damage better myself. I might glue a piece of fallen metal or omething by the broken area.
@LDD, http://www.ebay.com/itm/Stylish-Caviar-Nails-Art-12-Colors-Manicures-or-Pedicures-Microbeads-G-/290812650720?pt=US_Nail_Care&hash=item43b5c8e4e0 on sale for another 8 hours, although I made an offer and got the same deal when I ordered.

Don't know how it will paint up, waiting a day or two for it to cure then I'll prince and paint, but since its for wall patching and takes wall paint well I think as long as its primed it should be fine.

Got in huge fight with the wife, so no family time right now. But I guess I can go cast some stuff or do more planning.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/17 19:38:02


Post by: Viktor von Domm


ohoh.... I hope for you the family issues get soon resolved... my mum always teached me to not go to bed with unresolved issues... youn never know if one of the pair gets to die in the night... so better kiss and make up again....!

the casts look very good and while the miscasts do have potential I would aim still for perfect products in the long run

and... is it just me or do the products look like they are getting smaller?


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/17 20:31:50


Post by: Theophony


They're all the same size, just look different because they are leaning different amounts each. Perfection is always the goal, none of us is capable of achieving it, but the struggle counts.

I'll settle the fight before bedtime, my family has a history of going in their sleep, so we have that same adage . Nothing unreconcilable, just a regular tussle, she thinks one thing and I think mine. We were both frustrated at the kids and then it was the straw that broke the camels back.

In the mean time she took the kids to the library, and I decided to try and speed up the project.

Between this and my other mold things might move faster. Already poured the next batch in this, and by the time I finish this post the other mold should be hardened enough to pull it out.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/17 20:38:45


Post by: Viktor von Domm


your mass production is really stunning!

by the way... I don´t really know with what you cast atm... but if it is like the plaster I have...then adding a bit of PVA to the mix might make it sturdier...

and yes... our kids are also quite often the cause for much matrimonial discords ... that and the old all time favorites like money and work... they never go out of style I think...
good luck in fixing it this time... my wife told me off today for not getting her enough flowers... see? it is a world wide low level wave of grudge making^^


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/17 20:44:37


Post by: Theophony


It started with the trees in our front yard. We have three beautiful trees including our favorite a weeping willow, but they are all too close together. She wants me to cut down the peach tree and the pear tree so we have a front yard, but I want to keep them because they're producing great fruit even if only for the birds and squirrels. Then some money talk, and then kids you get the idea.

Edit:argument resolved, the world is saved, no more cats and dogs living together
Unmolded the first set again. This time I tried a little extra and put some of the brick patter on the side of the small molds to get corners lo and behold it worked. Wish I thought about doing it with the larger piece as well .


Also just got an idea for some detail work.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/17 21:14:04


Post by: Viktor von Domm


oh yeah.... I feel your pain... totally! we´ve been all there and return there from time to time...the dark side of coupling it seems...

on a personal side... I am with you on the tree issue... cutting down trees just for a free yard... cutting health trees is a sacrilege


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/17 21:27:15


Post by: Theophony


The three trees are too close together and will eventually kill each other, so at least one (the willow tree) or the other two need to go. The willow is beautiful, and I've had people who drive by stop and comment on it, but it doesn't bare fruit. Biblically the willow should come down, but we love its look and shade.

Also Vik posted as I posted so see previous for more pics of outside corner sidewalk pieces. Or I'll repost here


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/17 21:34:59


Post by: Viktor von Domm


the corner shot look very good!

the world is saved, no more cats and dogs living together
ghost busters anyone?

good... send my best wishes to your missus!

and...damn that is a toughy....I probably would vote then for then willow too to stay, but I also would sit it out till one would eventually die...


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/17 21:54:29


Post by: lone dirty dog


First of just apologise get it over and done with, lets be honest do we ever really win an argument anyway actually since I have backed down a little lately (trust me not my nature) she has then apologised and been easy going

So maybe it will work for you and never argue over money life is to short, enjoy what you have and make the best of it thats what I say

As to the trees cut the willow back ( trust me its better for them apparently as I have been told by a tree surgeon) give the fruit trees a bit of breathing ground then discuss it later after the fruiting.

Although I have to say when you see the willow cut back does shock, but once the growth returns you can shape it and get better new growth.

As to the walkways will you be disguising the joins by some kind of brick beam/support ?

Sorry just realised thanks for the link


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/17 22:27:17


Post by: Theophony


@ldd, trying to think of what to do, I have a cunning plan, that may be too cunning even for me.
@vik, yep, ghost busters, borrowed it from the library this week since Dave showed off those figures I wanted to watch it again. For a pg movie there were a lot of swear words, but was great to see again. I was going to stack my necromunda and citadel journal magazines and post a picture of it and ask "who does that?" To see if anyone got that reference.

I'm thinking of using some c-channel to cover the joints on the upper part and put rivets on those as well. That way it looks like reinforcing straps. Might do that every other joint and do pipes on the opposite ones. Not sure yet.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/17 22:43:10


Post by: Viktor von Domm


before reading on I was thinking of the best line of Ghostbusters...and the book stacking one and the "hear...I think I smell something" line is my absolute favourite... and I often quote that in RL too


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/17 23:07:41


Post by: lone dirty dog


Symmetrical book stacking... just like the Philadelphia mass turbulence of 1947.

Dont be to cunning you might out do yourself

Like the idea to hide the joins should work well, have you considered adding some flanges


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/18 02:48:44


Post by: Theophony


@ldd and Vik, you haven't seen flanges until you've tasted my flanges(is that close enough to the ghost buster quote for you)

Just home from the football game. It was boy night, me and my eight year old, and my brother in law with his two year old so we only stayed till half time. It's preseason so doesn't really count. The seats were fantastic, his family has season tickets in the home endzone twelve rows back. Right by the chear leaders. didnt notice the score

Have time and energy so I am going to check my molds before bedtime.

23" baby halfway across a board size.

Here's a pic of possible joins between pieces

And since this one was weathered I thought I'd try a little something with it.

Limbo foul he bent forward


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/18 10:08:55


Post by: lone dirty dog


Quote near enough mate near enough

Cheat leaders for a minute I thought you meant opposing team then I realised what you meant by the next sentence

Have you considered some kind of brick buttress to hide the joins as well, might give them a more victorian feel mind so might not be your cup of tea so to speak.




Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/18 12:08:42


Post by: Theophony


@ldd, cheat leader , fixed the spelling. I really try to proof read most of the time, but I was tired last night. The "t" on my IPad usually doesn't take so when I type he its usually supposed to be the. Lately the pad had been going bonkers, afraid the screen might be going out. It's had decent use, but would be a major pain in my posterior.

As for the joints I have thought about casting a brick buttress, but like the idea of the metal reinforcing strips a bit more right now, but I have plenty of time to change my mind.

I love driving thru downtown saint Louis at night, coming back from the game gave me some cool inspiration for buildings. Gotta get ready for church, see you guys later.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/18 15:07:25


Post by: Viktor von Domm


that pipe needs some kind of sludge dripping out

the cracks really sell the piece!

and... that is quite a length of walkway....


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/18 16:03:05


Post by: KingCracker


And sludge is easy when you have a hot glue gun around. Not to mention wow, that wall is really coming together


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/18 17:57:11


Post by: Theophony


My idea for the sewer is going to be the entire 4' length of a board, eventually it will get an opposing side of the sewer with a sump stream between. I also would like to have an official bridge over the sewer, and have it swap out with a not official bridge for the scenario toll booth. I want to create a couple wall actions with much larger pipes that come out, so models will have escape routes/entrances into the sewer/vents on the table. I scratched out a design in a notepad yesterday, will rework it a bit, but eventually the board will be raised up so the sewer can be lower/ underneath the main board and have effects on the game.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/19 03:14:56


Post by: dsteingass


Dood! That's fantastic looking! Brilliant idea to use the back of the brick card! Sections are looking fantastic too!
Now cast some concrete or brick slabs for the walkway!


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/19 03:19:04


Post by: Galorn


 Theophony wrote:
My idea for the sewer is going to be the entire 4' length of a board, eventually it will get an opposing side of the sewer with a sump stream between. I also would like to have an official bridge over the sewer, and have it swap out with a not official bridge for the scenario toll booth. I want to create a couple wall actions with much larger pipes that come out, so models will have escape routes/entrances into the sewer/vents on the table. I scratched out a design in a notepad yesterday, will rework it a bit, but eventually the board will be raised up so the sewer can be lower/ underneath the main board and have effects on the game.


Dude that Is SICK... also the modular size of the brick segments will allow you to shuffle their order to monkey with the way they impact the table. (potentially)


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/19 15:25:21


Post by: Theophony


@galorn, thanks, first time I've seen sick used in a positive manner not being tied to nurgle (which my autocorrect tried to change to nurse )
@dave, thanks, your tutorial is helping immensely, and I wouldn't have even tried without you reminding me.

Decided to move the set up to the kitchen instead of the basement, I'll have to clean up before the wife gets home, but I'm able to get their things done while the molds cure. Also. Don't have a water tap in the basement so I have to fill an empty 3liter bottle(future airship) full of water and mix from that. I also don't have a drain downstairs that I'd like to use, so this is better all around. Of course the wife won't agree.


Here's the current set up. Space for 4walls on the one panel, 5 short walls(2 of which I have set up for corners) will try to expand his more later.

Did one pour this morning, but didn't mix up enough compound, so only got three walls, one short wall and one corner short wall.

Off now to do some errands, probably take a few hours, but then these will be set and hopefully I'll have time for another pour before the family is home. One errand is to swing by another hobby lobby to check for more clearance plastics, also will hit a different big lots than usual and maybe some dollar stores.

Edit: errands took a extra couple ours and still didn't get to the dollar stores, what's worse was an IRS letter in the mailbox when I got home spent 30 minutes on hold with them before getting a helpful lady on he phone who complained about how short staffed they were. Once I started getting my point across to her she lightened up and was almost helpful....then"let me put you on hold to grab xxxxxxx info...." Didn't give me a chance to say anything before putting me on hold (which she accidentally messed up and hung up on me). I tried calling back, but all the options led to a recording saying that call volumes were so high and I couldn't even be put into a que. call back tomorrow.

Hopefully that counts as all three bad things for the day.

Meanwhile I was able to unmolded the stuff I poured before I left, cleaned the negatives, mix and pour another set. So something productive was had during that .

While I was out I did hit he other hobby lobby close to us. They had a ton of he clearance jtt plastics that I'm using for the necromunda build. I really am trying not to spend more than $20.00 a week and have been pretty good about it. I put back half of what was there, but got more o he brickwork, diamond plate and two packs of a corrugated steel look (4 pieces). Also got a 1 1/2 pound on trainer of art sand to use for basing and to fill the sandbox I had built with the body dump. Just over my $20.00 limit, but I couldn't let all that plastic sit. Thy had tons of military model kits at 40% off so you may wan to swing out and get some.




Automatically Appended Next Post:
So, what could I build okay sewer related....


Guy: oi this doesn't look like a sewer!



Now that's a sewer


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/20 04:08:20


Post by: Theophony


Return to an older project when you get tired of the sewer smell.

New version of the conveyor belt using Dave's beautiful hard drive rails.

Angled feet to go up to a higher level

Belt itself

Rivets for the legs will come in the a.m.

Night all.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/20 04:23:56


Post by: Galorn


Promising start there chief.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/20 07:31:46


Post by: Fango


Great stuff here! I completely missed this entire thread in my 6 month absence...great to see more crazed underhive contractors down here cranking out inspired creations. My P&M blog never got past 5 pages before I completely lost all my free time due to kid number three arriving at the end of March. I plan to slowly start ramping it back up though...time permitting.

I will be following your work going forward for sure, keep it up!


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/20 09:39:43


Post by: lone dirty dog


Looks like my work place, although you would have maintenance stood next to it hitting it with a large hammer don't forget to add the drive motor at the side and the stop and start buttons.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/20 10:53:55


Post by: Viktor von Domm


the new conveyor belt looks very good... I see a longer structure in the future too... would make literally a great obstacle^^

and it is a constant struggle not to buy oneself silly at times... I often succeed at this when in a shop... but quite often buys at ebay or recently even a bitz seller have lessened my guard...
and that sewer idea is something I hope you wont let loose !!!


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/20 12:29:21


Post by: dsteingass


Sweet! How many sections of belt do you have made so far?


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/20 12:36:40


Post by: Viktor von Domm


I bet it is currently one one... but he just changed the legs


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/20 12:41:05


Post by: dsteingass


HAHA - remember the moon pulls on entire oceans, it MUST pull on brain chemicals too


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/20 12:46:08


Post by: Viktor von Domm


well.... provided there is brains involved that it can pull on


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/20 14:19:58


Post by: Theophony


@galorn, thanks
@fango, welcome, I know exactly what having three little ones does to your free time, although with the twins I had less overall time of diaper changing, there was just more diapers in a shorter time period.
@ldd, yep, more details to be added, just wanted to make the modular bit first. The conveyor sections could all be the same, different legs to get different heights, then other add ons like control panel, diverter, and motor.
@dave, just one section so far, was planning on making more today, but wife forgot her phone at home, and then is having car problems, so took her phone to school picked up her car and taking it to a friend to see what's wrong with it.
@vik, yep, just on right now with alternate legs. I must always do my prototype first then revise as time allows. Bit sellers are h bane of my bank account. It's one reason why I am trying to use the parts no one else wants , cause the bit sellers try to dump those cheap.

Along time ago I read where the iron in people's blood can affect their mental states. The moon can affect people with more iron in their blood stream because it pulls on it easier like a magnet. The iron slows its travels in the brain because it is closer to the moon an reduces the oxygen to the brain slightly. Just enough to reduce mental capacity a minor amount, nothing awfully noticeable. It made a little bit of sense to me as I know people who take iron supplements and they get real stupid around the full moon. Also I lived in an area (moved from there last years) that used to be a lead mining community. High lead contents in the ground soil. There you really could tell when the moon was full because it got so bad I actually requested days off around the moon cycle to avoid some people. Scientists my know a lot and say they have debunked this myth, but there's way too much evidence for me to believe otherwise.

More build later time permitting.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/20 14:46:27


Post by: nerdfest09


Gak Theo! I liked all your rambling creations and projects in the past but this sewer terrain is BRILLIANT! you have perfected the feel of the underground dingy waste plant without even a hint of paint, now that's talent, I'm really enjoying seeing this projcet blossom with your ideas


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/20 15:06:26


Post by: Theophony


Thanks nerdfest. That means a lot coming from you. I'm working on being a better builder since I dislike painting.

Edit: sitting at car repair place today getting the van worked on, not much going to happen


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/20 16:50:05


Post by: Fango


Theo, is that a Rat Burger franchise in your avatar? Or a Catachan Fried Devils stand?


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/20 17:08:55


Post by: Theophony


@fango, those are both great, I finally went with "the grub hub", the grub dog I made that looks like minion Dave is what brought it about.

I will keep those ideas for the burger wars competitors that I was looking for a while back.

Back from the car repair place, they diagnosed it, but will fix it tomorrow. Only $3-350.00 this is why I can't have nice things.

Did some quick digging for nerdfest but couldn't find the right Lego for a picture. But pulled other pieces I WAS looking for for a different mold. We'll see if it comes out okay as I already poured the mix.

Time for some grub, then maybe some building before the family gets home. Going to do some work at church tonight, so we will see if anymore conveyor sections get done.

Edit: here's the big mold and its brother that is needed with it.

Can you tell what the new one is yet? If you can your amazing.

Here it is being unmolded

The curved Lego plus pliable plastic card leads to this.

And doing a double mold makes this possible. Now it looks more like a pipe leading into the main sewer. There's still space at the edge of h pipes for backwash where things might get stuck. Thinking of a little sign in the muck pointing down the pipe for where he scaavie gang takes up residence.

I still need a concept for how he sewer workers are supposed to cross the pipe. And I'm going to do the pipe differently in the future. Right now I'm thinking a small ladder on each side of the pipe leading to a small platform over the top.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/20 18:04:33


Post by: cormadepanda


sewers and conveyor belts.. not that gak is just moving along.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/20 19:30:26


Post by: Theophony


Well, you know it had to happen....I came up with another idea while on this project...but they go hand in hand so breath.

Lets join my favorite things and bring back an old idea. What old idea???

SUMPBALL!!!!!
Yes, bloodbowl meets necromunda in the sump pit. But now we have sump pit walls (sewer walls)
Here's the start of an endzone.

And if you can decipher the squiggles.....my cunning plan

The pit will be 2'x 4' and will sit next to my necromunda table to make it 4'x 6'total. The pipes and vents will still interact with the board, this is just adding to the fun.

The teams will be regular gangers, jives, heavies, and leader and will be based off the bloodbowl human team. Other gangs will be fit in afterwards.

The idea is basically this.....the sump pits are routinely emptied and scrubbed clean (the league of extraordinary janitors/servo skulls), and basic maintenance is done on the pits to ensure the algae that is grow there is safe for con'sump'tion. (Glad your not a hiver yet?) local gangs who aren't bitter rivals challenge each other to matches for control of the algae farm. Competing gives them revenue as the locals come to watch and buy food, drugs, prostitutes whatever.

The game will run like bloodbowl using human stats, leader-thrower, heavies-blitzers, gangers-linemen, juvies-catchers.

I will work on the charts and mundify them accordingly. The weather chart will have 'rain' in the form of a burst overhead pipe. 'Sweltering heat' will be noxious fumes and such.

The field 'pitch' will be slightly lower than the surrounding area 'flat' where bystanders/fans are standing. Just like bloodbowl if your knocked off the pitch the fans get to rough you up too. There will be ladders to go up to the catwalks above (grandstands) which will help this function in the necromunda games by being multilevel.

I'd like o make the entire wall area out of plaster/joint compound, and use plastic card and bits to accent it.

There's the plan, what's the thoughts? I already know I'm crazy, but feel free to say I again for the newcomers.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/20 20:12:39


Post by: dsteingass


HOLY CRAP Theo!!

The curved molding is brilliant! SUMP BALL! Wow..fantastic, crazy-ass idea!!


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/20 20:19:03


Post by: nerdfest09


Ladies & Gentlemen, boys & girls, Children of all ages! welcome to the first quarter finals of SUMP BALL 2013! (crowd goes wild amongst the chittering of rodents)

Please welcome your teams to the field! heading onto the sumpitch first it's the Terran Turdburglers, some great stinking big players there folks! and now the challengers! it's the mighty Bostonian Bumsuckers! (crowd again goes wild!)


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/20 20:23:52


Post by: Theophony


@nerdfest, LOL, I just about crapped my pants laughing, you're hired as the official color announcer.
@dave, it turned out so much better than I thought it would.
I'm thinking of building floor molds using the negative side of the g scale diamond plate. Also considering doing the flat as the same plate. Also been working on some bases.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/20 20:32:52


Post by: ChaoticMind


You are an evil man, I must copy/steal/borrow/adapt your sewer.
I have been trying to figure out how to do a stem powered fantasy dungeon and/or sewer for months now. It was fighting me because I wanted modular board components without buying a metric load of plastic. Lo and behold, all of a sudden I come across your blog and you have the perfect answer just sitting there.

BTW Do you mind a shameless copy being created?


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/20 20:33:58


Post by: Dr H


Nice work Theo. Castings are working nicely.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/20 20:58:13


Post by: Theophony


@chaoticmind, I encourage the shameless stealing of ideas as I have stolen so many as well. I see it as an honor that someone sees something that I have done and it inspires them to adapt it to their work.
@Dr. H, the castings are getting better each try, or at least in my opinion they are. I'm realizing to make the mix wetter, and just let it dry longer. Especially when pouring in the basement because I have the dehumidifier going.

I was hoping the squares for the pitch would line up perfectly with the Lego.....it doesn't. The bulkheads are a perfect match for Lego, so if anyone wishes to duplicate this all you have to do is build a Lego frame that has 9x9 open pips. I've been trying to pour it a full block thick, or three strips thick. I guess I better learn my legoeese to describe it better. Until then have a Lego picture my wife sent me a while ago.



Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/20 21:10:23


Post by: Viktor von Domm


the sump bowl idea is actually a very neat one... but i am still more of a fan about the sewer as a battlefield

and the pipe looks very good.... totally convincing... seems having ones mind in the gutter eventually leads to something like that

as for the means to get from one end to the other over the pipe... well i think a bended ladder...completley over the pipe could look quite convincing? tho... something that prevents the clomber from sliding would be the best solution... maybe a bridge? with railings? and don´t stress me with "there are no railing in the grim dark sweres of the 40th millenia..."

also... the moon sillyness explanation sounds very spooky....one can only hope it is not true... but i do have to say... i see such evidence here too.... i see it in the smallest in my kids.... their sleeping habbits are way more freakish than on other nights...


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/20 22:02:24


Post by: Fango


What's this? A Necromunda Blood Bowl pitch?! Its so crazy it just might work, I cant wait to see how it pans out.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/21 07:18:04


Post by: Theophony


Up a 1:30 am, going to scratch out some ideas an then crawl back into bed. Right now I'm thinking of changing the stadium around a bit. If I make the scoreboard side the long side then I can have a lower wall on the other long side which could make for playing the game easier. You won't be reaching down into the game field as much. This would also allow the field to connect to the Munda board easier. Also if the end zones are detachable hen the pit could just become the long sewer I had originally planned. I'll scribble some stuff out then look a it again in the real morning to see what I think. I'm trapped a home today without a car, so besides yard work I should get some stuff accomplished.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/21 07:28:44


Post by: Viktor von Domm


have you thought about making that pipe section twice as goals on each side?


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/21 07:45:39


Post by: Theophony


Second one is poured, just waiting to be unmolded. My other concept was to have the pipe up high as it would pour down onto the pitch if the event "riot" occurred. Also honking of making a couple larger pours of wall sections. Still kicking around concepts.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/21 07:49:23


Post by: Viktor von Domm


definitely larger section would come in handy later on in terms of the full board you still want

are such events common in a bowl game?....I bet that could be funny as a nice means to cool down the players


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/21 12:04:28


Post by: Theophony


I should be able to get the weather table and possibly kick off event table sorted this morning after the kids get up and off to school.

Vik at each kick off (so at least twice a game), you roll on the kick off event table, and you roll on the weather table before the game starts. Each table is a 2d6 roll so you have eleven options.on the weather table there are five options.

Weather table results are 2,3,4-10,11,12 I don't know them off the top of my head, but 4-10 is nice weather no effect on the game, but some others are rain, blizzard, heat wave, an I think the last is very sunny. Each has a negative effect on play or the players.

The kick off table is where the fun happens. 2d6 each value has something special including one that's a changing weather condition roll on the weather chart. Some of the other results are get the ref. where its a roll against your teams fan factor to see who's fans rough him up more, the winner gets to do fouls without worrying about the ref sending them off the pitch. There's also rioting fans that invade the field and beat up players, and thrown rock where a fan chucks a rock hard enough to knock down/ injure a player.

It really is a great game. Fun to learn and play as long as everyone treats I as a beer an pretzels game you'll never tire of it. As Ono as someone goes in to "win" then it stops being fun pretty quick.

You can still get he box set from GW, I think, but you can own load most recent rules for free, use old minis from other systems till you get your feet wet, and order the field and other accessories from online sellers like http://www.comixininos.com/

Gotta get the kiddos up and moving.

Edit: finished the charts, nothing major just a few renames.

Unmolded another big pipe end unit. Made a new mold. Also duplicated the conveyor section. I'll need some odd and end bits for it, but here's a layout.



Automatically Appended Next Post:
Tried a new mold, went for broke and glued my old templates in place. Didn't work , but I should be able to make new molds still, and the problem I found is fixable and should help with the next generation. The rounded mold actually did work out.

Instead of pouring the mould with the pipe bit notched out, I've decided to do further work with a solid slab that I can drill out the hole.

Might use he rounded edge mold in a second way as well.

But will decide later as I'm not as keen on it vertically.

Since. Had picked up the jar of art sand I figured I should go about using it.

So the body dump is closer to being done.

Also the modular wall section above. New roll up door with plastic card corrugated door built. A little tweaking to the overhang to make it sturdier.


Light kit can go above door out wards, flip it over and use it as a Sign for the business, or put it under the walkway lighting below.

Hatch is still separate from the frame, so you can have it open, just drill out the wall section or paint it black.




Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/22 00:42:58


Post by: Galorn


Awesome stuff man. Very cool.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/22 10:55:10


Post by: Viktor von Domm


man, have you been busy!
yesterday I needed an early night... and look what you´ve all done!

I am not too sure about the big wall... tho the bricked buttresses look rather good... from the pics tho I can´t tell the direction of the bricks... that might need fixing for the vertical curved parts... probably a new mould needed?

the conveyor belt setup looks very good... one thing tho... if we imagine parts, parcels or what not going over these I think you need some kind of connection "pillar" in-between" two belts sections... usually just slippery metal plated something where the goods just slip over to the next belt...but you only need to make these once you plan on fixing that setup to a spot on your board...


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/22 11:50:41


Post by: Theophony


@galorn, thanks, I'm hoping t work on mor conveyor parts today, but we'll see which way I'm lead by the craft spirits.
@Vik, The buttresses I'm not too keen on. Especially since my Sumpball field won't allow for enough of an edging around it to make these possible with a walkway. They will stay curved for where the sewer drain pipes come in though.

My wife's van needed more work than what was estimated, luckily it's a friend doing it so nt shafted on labor, still $500 is more Han what we were wanting to spend, and they said their might b other problems but o drive it o the week and then we'll see if the fix worked. Otherwise a new engine is in order . That'll kill any hobby fun for a long time.

Gotta get grass one before I gets hot today.everyones been complaining about he heat this year, but here it hasn't broken 100 degrees Fahrenheit yet his year according to the weatherman. Also kids have doctor appointments, so might not have lots of time today to build stuff, bu should b able to get a pour or two done.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/22 12:57:35


Post by: Viktor von Domm


ouch.... it pours again... a possible new engine... that is quite a downer... I hope it wont have to come to this...!

well... I think here the summer is over... we do get some warmer days... sunny and all but the big heat times is hopefully over... I am not a big fan of heat...so all the better...

the big buttresses could also be usefull for a commentators booth... or to sideline the big screen for the audience to have a close look to the gamescenes...



Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/22 12:59:45


Post by: dsteingass


Sorry about the van...my amateur plumbing skills have been exhausted, now I am forced to call a plumber, can't wait to find out what that bill will cost!


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/22 13:03:25


Post by: Viktor von Domm


ohoh.... it must be serious as I think up until not the plumbing in the walls are the cause I would do everything myself as well... but working inside the walls that´s outa my league too...


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/22 13:11:41


Post by: dsteingass


There's a blockage past the P-trap. I've used my snake, but couldn't clear it, although the water did eventually go down overnight, so there must be at least an opening somewhere.

Have you ever forgotten to floss your teeth for a day or two? When you do get a little piece of food out it stinks? Well, that's exactly th same smell from the pipes..nasty


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/22 14:13:35


Post by: Theophony


Dave, have you tried from a clean out in the basement? Or is the trap on the lowest level? Probably like me it's tree roots blocking the line, or is it just one sink?


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/22 14:19:57


Post by: dsteingass


It's just the one sink, and it tees to a vent-up pipe. Plumber is on his way with the artillery as we speak


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/22 15:21:53


Post by: Theophony


Well maybe with the smell you can tell me if this test scheme helps set the mood.


I don't think black will be part of the mix. Might toss in white on a couple instead.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/22 15:23:17


Post by: dsteingass


I like that scheme! Plumber is an hour late now....


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/22 15:40:31


Post by: Dr H


Nice brickwork. Maybe a light dry-brush of white over everything to bring out the texture a little.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/22 15:44:29


Post by: Viktor von Domm


plumbers are kings... I bet you know that... from what I've heard in the US its even worse if the movies I´ve seen are any trustworthy informations...

and I have to clear our kitchen sink every now and then too... good deal I don´t have any sense of smell... I bet It could kill a man^^... maybe that´s why my wife is never there too when I do that ´orrible work^^

and theo... that wall looks brilliant! have you considered the mortar to be painted extra? I am not even sure it would be needed... maybe a wash is everything that is needed to call it a day!...I am now eager to see that sewer completed... (yeah I know, the more pressure we put to you it won´t happen quicker)


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/22 15:56:09


Post by: cormadepanda


Nice wall. Now that sewrium. I want to see some blood bowl played in it.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/22 16:21:07


Post by: Theophony


@comradepanda, bloodbowl will get played, but it will be a while before the walls are up.
@vik, the mortar is a little darker, but will probably get a wash once the paint dries.
@Dr.H, should I do the white before or after a wash?
@dave, he'll probably charge you for it anyway, so I wouldn't worry that he will be out any money.


One pour down this morning, another is almost dry. The pitch won't have any outside corners, but I figured I should make some and have the molds anyway.

Need to sketch the drawing of the box this will all go into.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/22 16:41:37


Post by: Dr H


 Theophony wrote:
should I do the white before or after a wash?

Depends on how you are planning to do the wash.
If you're just going to slap on the wash all over, then maybe a dry-brush before (that'll then be dulled down with the wash), but then another afterwards. It only wants to be a light going over, just to highlight the very tips of the roughness. Maybe only a light grey or brown/sand as opposed to white.

Dave is the resident brick expert though, so I'd bow to his wisdom if he thinks differently.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/22 17:03:29


Post by: dsteingass


It depends if you want mortar lines or not.

He came with his big powered snake and cleared it. Less than $100..I was pleasantly surprised!


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/22 17:13:38


Post by: Theophony


I'll have to try other pictures, the one I have doesn't show the mortar lines well. They are there, but I don want them to be the focus of the wall. Also some wall will still be dirty as the janitorial crew is still cleaning the empty pit. So some will have green pots, some will have brown spots and some......well they will just be nasty.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/22 17:31:20


Post by: Dr H


I think that if you dry-brush the bricks. That will lighten them a little and the mortar lines will then look darker and more defined by contrast.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/22 18:15:57


Post by: Viktor von Domm


 dsteingass wrote:
It depends if you want mortar lines or not.

He came with his big powered snake and cleared it. Less than $100..I was pleasantly surprised!



er.... that´s what she said? ...


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/22 18:44:26


Post by: Theophony


Delvan mud wash? Or something else?


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/22 18:48:05


Post by: dsteingass


haha Vik

Dark mortar lines only seem to work at smaller scales for me. Maybe try some very thin grey paint? If you mix it like a glaze and sop it all over, it'll slightly change the hue of the bricks, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/22 18:53:25


Post by: Theophony


It's got adeptus battle grey mortar between the bricks right now. The wash should help.

Closer pic.

Hopefully that shows the grout better.

Here's the parts I have ready so far. I think one side will be only one bulkhead high, making it easier to play SUMPBALL, and access the sewer. I'm thinking of doing solid buttresses between all the panels.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/22 19:51:08


Post by: Viktor von Domm


the black in the mix looks slightly offending to the eye... I would redo that...
but the rest looks very good...
and the setup is highly promising!...
now you need to get yourself some water effects... or how will you simulate the yucky look of the sewer water?...or you could also have bricks... but all the water has run out....


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/22 20:11:17


Post by: Dr H


Oh, the bricks are smoother that I thought. Maybe a dry-brush won't help.
Mortar looks fine though.

Maybe make the black brick a dark-grey brick, darker than your mortar, like a breeze-block colour? Might jump out less than the black.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/22 20:11:18


Post by: Theophony


Yeah the black will not make it into the rest of the mix for painting. No water effects, the sump is drained for repairs, here may be some residual fungus, but its going to be dry.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/22 20:18:42


Post by: dsteingass


Yes, just darken the bricks. a bit methinks. Too complementary now, needs to be more of a contrast.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/22 21:13:20


Post by: Theophony


 dsteingass wrote:
Yes, just darken the bricks. a bit methinks. Too complementary now, needs to be more of a contrast.


no compliments around here, this is a non-complementary zone

Also another necromunda player returns after a long departure. May want to swing by and say hello.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/547686.page#5974513


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/22 23:45:44


Post by: shasolenzabi


Nice sewage works!


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/23 03:23:22


Post by: Theophony


@shaso, thanks


I decided to paint up a second to see if I could duplicate the randomness. I think it turned out decent enough. The grout lines are a bit lighter, but I hadn't primed this one , it may have absorbed some of the paint into it. I'll have o prime the rest. Also will see what a primed one looks like with a wash over it.

Offending black brick is out. Hat should I do with the damaged parts? Corrosive algae? Or just where bullets ricocheted?

Edit: also built a few bases to match the brickwork.

Got some ideas for more, but its bedtime now (well past bedtime, but now I'm sleepy)


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/23 08:56:12


Post by: Viktor von Domm


I think to explain why there is weathered or broken bricks is the totally wrong way to think... there is bound to be broken stuff in sewers... end of story although...some green plantlife... moss and so on wouldn´t be that bad either

the pipe sticking out from the brick wall is a nice idea...

and those bases...melikes^^


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/23 11:49:09


Post by: Theophony


More base ideas later, even though I was ready for bed some ideas just continued till I had to write then down. Due to the van issues this week I was unable to go to grandparents on Wednesday,so I'm going today. He says he has a plan, but it sounds like the last one where I got pissed because what he wanted to do was almost done and they need to go through the rest before we can go further. I don't mind giving my time as long as its not wasted.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/23 11:55:50


Post by: Viktor von Domm


I think it sounds a bit as if they seek for company rather than solve problems...which I think is understandable...wouldn´t want to be old and alone... one of the two is already more than I am atm capable of coping with...


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/23 12:38:30


Post by: Theophony


Though they are in their eighties they are still very social. They might be less able to get out as often as they like since nanny has hurt her back/hip again, but they get visitors often and poppy still runs his company from home. He is on the phone half the time I'm there. That's part of the problem.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/23 13:54:57


Post by: Viktor von Domm


ach... what a day when you can´t even make sterotype´s line up for you... I have no clue for these old peeps of yours then


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/23 15:02:11


Post by: Theophony


Even more fun was calling this morning to let him know I was coming. We had agreed on today and this morning for working on the basement. He told me to come over, I get there and he was pulling out of the driveway, told me he forgot about an appointment. Cancelled doing anything because he also forgot about other appointments today . Thanks for wasting my time.

Before I left I did a little work on another base.

Oval shaped street base. Guess ill have plenty of time to work on it today.

Stopped at the hobby store on the way home and picked up little foam marshmallow barrels. They said that they are spray paint safe. Just shot a couple with primer to see if they'll work. 50 for $3.00 also hit the clearance table and picked up a toy spider for $0.26.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/23 15:28:47


Post by: dsteingass


That's enough to piss a guy off!

Anyways, the bricks look much better now. you should always prime though Nice bases too!


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/23 16:27:54


Post by: Theophony


I never primed my space marines though I never finished painting them all and I also never sealed them.

Flight base

Manhole is removable, ignore the rubber bands.

Manhole is also the exact size of a GW round base

I don't have any sandpaper around the house , will pick some up to go on the black part as pavement.

Edit: one good thing about today being freed up......poured more wall blocks. If I go with an idea I have for the tall wall on the one side I think I'm done pouring....yeah!!!!!


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/23 16:41:31


Post by: Briancj


When I was doing IT consulting, and the client did that, I charged them an hour of time.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/23 18:28:46


Post by: Viktor von Domm


I really have no clue about your folks... very bizarre,

the flight base looks really awesome... dave posted on my thread that I am stepping up the game... but you sir do that on a daily basis... the brickwork and sewer work really seems to speak to you...you are the sewer... in every positive sense of that statement



Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/23 18:57:00


Post by: Theophony


My minds always has been in the gutter, now I am part of the gutter...gutter zen.

Peekaboo we see you....and we'd like to have you for dinner nomnomnom!


Edit: base lineup right now.

Still at a loss for the biker bases, I'll think of those later.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/23 20:48:48


Post by: Viktor von Domm


maybe make one biker base as if the bike is jumping over the actual sewer? I dunno the right English word for it... but basically the path of the runny water? so the bike is jumping from brink to brink?

and that zombie of yours is really creepy... that scene is quite well set up!

and gutter zen...do we get some strippers too?


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/23 22:46:50


Post by: Ruglud


Amazing progress Theo, 3 pages for me to catch up with, every one with great work - espcially like the use of Dave's plastic hard drive mounts on the conveyors, look like they were meant to be...


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/24 00:23:32


Post by: Theophony


@vik, that magnetic zombie has been soooooo worthwhile. I don't think there's enough space on the base to show jumping from one side to the other unfortunately Vik.
@ruglud, glad your back, hope the vacation was great , yeah I love the hard drive rails texture.

So here's what I came up with for the bike bases

Also the spray primer didn't ruin the foam barrels I bought today, you can see them in the above photos.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/24 02:37:16


Post by: Galorn


 Theophony wrote:
@vik, that magnetic zombie has been soooooo worthwhile. I don't think there's enough space on the base to show jumping from one side to the other unfortunately Vik.
@ruglud, glad your back, hope the vacation was great , yeah I love the hard drive rails texture.

So here's what I came up with for the bike bases

Also the spray primer didn't ruin the foam barrels I bought today, you can see them in the above photos.


DUDE. those bases match your board beautifully. I'm traveling til some time monday. I'll pm ya when I'm home.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/24 04:57:22


Post by: Theophony


 Galorn wrote:
 Theophony wrote:
@vik, that magnetic zombie has been soooooo worthwhile. I don't think there's enough space on the base to show jumping from one side to the other unfortunately Vik.
@ruglud, glad your back, hope the vacation was great , yeah I love the hard drive rails texture.

So here's what I came up with for the bike bases

Also the spray primer didn't ruin the foam barrels I bought today, you can see them in the above photos.


DUDE. those bases match your board beautifully. I'm traveling til some time monday. I'll pm ya when I'm home.


I've got to pop some 40mm off termite legs for more variety. I don't like "litter" on my streets/bases otherwise they tend to all look the same. Years ago I ordered enough resin bases from another base seller for a battle company of forgeworld marines. They are great but the same cog is on a dozen bases in that battle company. No matter how you look at it you keep seeing the like items. It has the same rocks on a dozen models, on and on. With this if I make copies , then each can be subtly different. I plan on two or three more basic bike bases. If I have more 60mm bases then I'll make a couple more there, and a few more 25mm wouldn't hurt either, but I'd rather there be a few clean brick ones for basic looks.

I know I'm calling the kettle black because I have a pipe that stands out, and a gutter that's cut in, but those are so generi. In a sewer or on a street, not like a scattering of bullets or an arm, or a skull. Hope that makes sense, fell asleep early cause I had a headache and just got up for a moment to use the restroom, so my mind is t crisp right now.

Edit: was tired last night, went to bed at 8:30 when I tucked the kids in. 10.5 hours later much more refreshed. Did some cleaning in the hobby area, still got to vacuum, but feels better down there already. Also dug brought my blank bases and dressed up some more goodies.


On a side note I've been filling our bird feeder every other day outside our house, it's songbird feed, but squirrels and other critters have been enjoying it as well. I couldn't get my iPhone into camera mode fast enough yesterday to snap a pic, but had an eagle sitting on the branch five feet from me , really sweet look, I think he was waiting for a squirrel or something else to come over for dinner.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/24 16:17:19


Post by: Dr H


Nice base work Theo. Look nice as a set.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/24 16:53:50


Post by: cormadepanda


That is a lovely base set. I am impressed with the speed at which you work Theo.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/24 17:17:58


Post by: Theophony


@dr. H, yes, they must look good together, I've gotten some bases from people that are part of a set that look nothing alike. Very disappointing.
@comradepanda, thanks, sped looks amazing,but when your unemployed you have plenty of free time to get stuff done.
Stopped by the train shop near me quickly, he knows me as the bridge guy because I buy his busted and used bridges. He sold me three used ho scale bridges today for $5.00 no tax cause I pay him cash, and he gave me some ho track for free when I asked him to set any busted ones aside for me. I use them to build the crates and tree barriers I showed a few pages back.nice guy

These will be uses for necromunda build, but I have mother cunning plan with them which will make them MORE than JUST terrain.

Going out with the family in a minute, wife needs some makeup stuff from the mall. The Lego store is in the mall too, so we'll swing by there to look, my son can get Christmas ideas while we are there.



Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/24 17:40:18


Post by: cormadepanda


 Theophony wrote:
@dr. H, yes, they must look good together, I've gotten some bases from people that are part of a set that look nothing alike. Very disappointing.
@comradepanda, thanks, sped looks amazing,but when your unemployed you have plenty of free time to get stuff done.
Stopped by the train shop near me quickly, he knows me as the bridge guy because I buy his busted and used bridges. He sold me three used ho scale bridges today for $5.00 no tax cause I pay him cash, and he gave me some ho track for free when I asked him to set any busted ones aside for me. I use them to build the crates and tree barriers I showed a few pages back.nice guy

These will be uses for necromunda build, but I have mother cunning plan with them which will make them MORE than JUST terrain.

Going out with the family in a minute, wife needs some makeup stuff from the mall. The Lego store is in the mall too, so we'll swing by there to look, my son can get Christmas ideas while we are there.



that is a nice relationship you have there.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/24 21:27:24


Post by: Viktor von Domm


hey theo... earlier on I wanted to comment on your base idea...and musings... only to get frustrated by the explorer eating my post...*shakes fist*

I was creating an analogy about a joke I saw that showed brother goriel (space crusade terminator...the one with the genesteeler spine in his fist...) and the ever present standard template cog... I think a base must be able to show enough diversity and not be the same look all over...over...over...again... for orky or IG you would have so many it would make one pretty quick rather sick of it...

your´s look very simple... in the best sense of the word...!

also... I have to say I come here not only for the modelling aspect... hearing stories about bird food eating squirrels and eagles waiting for the ´very same ones... that is the stuff that brings me back here each day just saying


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/24 22:06:59


Post by: Theophony


@comradepanda, yes it is pretty neat that he now knows who I am and every time gives me a better deal. Originally the bribe parts were $3.00 each from him, most recent was $1.66 each 3for$5. It took a couple times shooting the breeze with him telling him(a model train shop owner) that I don't do model trains, but hack the stuff up and use it for war gaming. The time before I stopped by with my twins in tow, he put them to work sorting through hot wheel cars having them take out any that were broken. They each were given a hot wheel car and a 'Barbie-like' doll to keep for their ten minutes of work. My son got an old to to figure as his cause he wouldn't do Barbie.
@vik, I enjoy all the side comments from everyone else as well. I consider you guys some of my closest friends because we can share our days and vent our frustrations at the stupid things, and we all come here as equals. Some of us are more skilled at different things, but we all are willing and eager to share what we know, and respect the others when they finally realize why have I never done this before? I've been gaming for 35years, yet I am still a novice at most things. It's been over 20 years since I took German in high school Vik, but I somewhat remember my teacher saying there's an old German way of telling someone it's now okay to refer to me as (casual name) instead of mr. Or mrs., I forget what that was, and she said It was disappearing from culture when she was in school. Do you know what I'm trying to say? Anyway you guys embraced me that way when I first came over to P&M, and I appreciate that. If I win the lottery ever the first three things I'm doing is walking up to my pastor with a nice check , God gets the first fruits from our family. 2. Pay off all our bills including the house. 3. Starting rivetcon, flying everyone to Saint Louis here and having a League of extraordinary Riveters annual meeting.

Wow...threw a lot out there just now.
I'll be working on some more bases here shortly so keep an eye out.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/24 22:49:13


Post by: Dr H


I wish I had a local model shop (however unlikely that is out in the country), never mind with a nice owner that gives friendly discounts. Good on him.

and to the P&M posse.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/24 23:37:58


Post by: Theophony


P&M Posse that's good dr. H, I'm sorry you don't have any good local shops. Our old house had nothing within a 40minute drive, and that killed my hobby love. Now I'm spoiled. I have a couple 4-5 lgs within 15 minutes of my house. A train shop, dq, and hardware store within walking distance, and lots o other great places very near as well.

i love our new house, which today by he way is our 1year anniversary of moving into it . I told my wife "happy anniversary" last night, it was great, you could see her trying to figure out what it was the anniversary of frantically in her head. I told her before she totally freaked out, but then she had to check Facebook to make sure, and I was right . I've never forgotten our anniversary, her birthday or where we went to on our first few dates. She hates that.

Back for a bit from family day out, wife just took the girls to get some new shorts, the oldest tore her favorite pair today and was in tears . My son was tired and grouchy, so while he napped I got productive.

A few more 40mm bases, another 60mm base and a few modifications on some of the old ones.

40mm,
changed he circle in the middle of the one base to the mesh paper and created a ring around it. Now looks more like a drain.
Cut some individual bricks out of th scrap pieces and layered he bricks on another just for a little depth to look like some settling.

60mm
Created a new one with the brick then some grey c channel, then a tile look pic that I had. Thinking of cutting a door out of pc that will fit in the track. Give people som vertical to play with.

Next up on the workbench.......
I have some ideas for accessories to the bases.

WAIT WHAT???
Just like he door, I honk most bases are missing something....verticality. Something besides the miniature on it to help sell the whole.
You'll just have to wait and see what I come up with.

Got to have something to bring you back besides stories only Vik and I get giggles out of.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/25 01:34:10


Post by: dsteingass


Haha P&M Posse

Nice bases..needs rivets though

The -=]_,=- Convening IRL one day is also one of my pipedreams! You boys are good people! All of ya!


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/25 02:39:32


Post by: Theophony


Because in the grim darkness of 40k information must still get there overnight....

"What the do you mean no Saturday service?"



Just down the street.....
Because red tape is still terrible in the 41st millennium there are still parking meters when no one has cars....


Knocked both out quickly, they'll probably be version 1.0s, not happy with the meter at all, so it might get scrapped in the a.m.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/25 11:55:03


Post by: shasolenzabi


Oh only a few have cars Theo, only a few, the very rich, arbites special inspectors, middle to high management who are rewarded for loyalty and dedicated service in their fields. Lower ons must rely on mass transits or other means of getting about. all depends on the Hive


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/25 13:31:52


Post by: dsteingass


Don't forget though, no meter maids work the weekends, so free parking on weekends


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/25 13:45:54


Post by: Nafarious


I like the idea of the post box, and the parking meter. That stuff looks cool. I can't wait to see the finished bases


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/25 13:55:48


Post by: dsteingass


The mailbox is great, I need casts of those for my Fallout table


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/25 17:19:09


Post by: Dr H


Nice work. Maybe the meter needs a strip of plastic/putty over the top to give it more of a meter look...


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/25 19:31:05


Post by: Viktor von Domm


the parking meter i didn´t get the first time...had to look that up as the shape didn´t ring the right bells... a more disc shaped thingy on top would have done the trick tho

but the letter box looks very good!... totally the part!... i wonder now why dave never did one already? after all i dunno how often i found valubale stuff in FO there

as for the earlier stuff about freindship and a rivet con ( a rather quick and blunt sumup)... that left me all warm and fuzzy feeling inside...

i think it is time for a beer hug



Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/25 19:41:38


Post by: Theophony


@shaso, the Horus Hersey books mention cars infrequently, and always imperial governors or servants.
@nafarious, welcome and thanks, new designs tomorrow, as today I'm being lazy.
@dave, yep weekend free parking here as well, but no meter maids, meter servo skulls. They may have been females, but you just don't know anymore. Guess it will be like when I was single, way too drunk, and taken to the wrong bars .
@dr. H, I think the only thing that will stay the same with the meter is the post.
@viktor, I would definitely return the beer hug dude! Cheers! Didn't even realize the fallout reference as I've never played. Jus looking for common stuff for streets.

Today is lazy day. Church his morning, including my wife and I getting baptized. Prepped dinner, but considering nap time right now. The kids are playing in the sprinkler with the neighbor girl and the if is grading papers.

Might have an update tonight, but rob ably in the a.m.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/25 20:26:23


Post by: Viktor von Domm


hmm.... how do you wish luck or congrtatulate for a grown up batizm?... happy downing in water or what?... whatever it is... i wish it for you to happen!
and if i was about to have such things to happen to me... i wouldn´t feel lazy very much... quite the opposite...

and of course a letter box is good street litter... have you thought about newspaper vendorboxes?


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/25 22:17:36


Post by: Theophony


Vik you've been reading my notes on my iPad haven't you. The newspaper boxes were next on the list, but got put aside today for this....


A dice tower that will blend into the necromunda field.


If you look hard you'll see the four baffles inside of the tower that help to ensure the randomness of the rolls. I have tried it out a few times and it works great with the different dice in the picture.

Thinking of using a lid from a jar as the base of this which will help keep the dice from going everywhere.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/25 22:27:54


Post by: Viktor von Domm


a dice tower is also something i wanted to do for quite some time... but i haven´t found an appealing concept yet...

your´s is a very good idea!...

and yeah... i admitt i look into your ipad when no one else is watching... damn... i hate it when i am getting caught red handed...*shakes other fist*


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Thinking of using a lid from a jar as the base of this which will help keep the dice from going everywhere.


i think you can do better´n that... something more munda like... use the same bridge railings and you have yourself a nice scheme that isn´t off balanced


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/25 22:53:45


Post by: Theophony


@Vik, the lid wasn't working, not enough of a lip, the dice would bounce over it too often. I will give the idea of using the bridge some thought as I like the concept

In the mean time, did a bit of detailing on the front of it

Still needs some rivets on the front crossbars.

The back just gets a row of different sized pipes to dress it up.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/25 23:07:40


Post by: Dr H


Looking good.
Maybe you could build a picket fence round it, possibly out of sprue, but you could use your train tracks...


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/26 01:30:49


Post by: cormadepanda


 Dr H wrote:
Looking good.
Maybe you could build a picket fence round it, possibly out of sprue, but you could use your train tracks...


must you always advocate your sprue love?

Theo good work!


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/26 01:43:19


Post by: Theophony


 cormadepanda wrote:
 Dr H wrote:
Looking good.
Maybe you could build a picket fence round it, possibly out of sprue, but you could use your train tracks...


must you always advocate your sprue love?

Theo good work!


It is not his sprue love he is quoting his sprue doctrine, it is after all his duty as the league's spruemeister.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/26 03:19:06


Post by: dsteingass


remember, he distributes sprue and pain in equal amounts


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/26 04:07:39


Post by: Fango


Im truly astounded by the sheer amount of productivity that you pour into this blog Theo. I wish I could do a quarter of what you get done in a given day!

Love the dice tower BTW. Your underhive collection is shaping up nicely.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/26 10:13:21


Post by: Viktor von Domm


 Theophony wrote:
@Vik, the lid wasn't working, not enough of a lip, the dice would bounce over it too often. I will give the idea of using the bridge some thought as I like the concept

In the mean time, did a bit of detailing on the front of it

Still needs some rivets on the front crossbars.

The back just gets a row of different sized pipes to dress it up.


I knew you would see it my way eventually

the pipes COULD have been a little more spaced out, but I see why you did what you did...
a picket fence... nah... I think that would detract from the technological plant scheme too much...


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/26 11:36:03


Post by: Dr H


Ha ha. I'll get everyone building with sprue...

...and then I'll rule the world...

(there may be a few intermediate steps missed out there)


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/26 12:03:05


Post by: Theophony


@dr. H, you must first take over the world sprue supply. As it stands even if I became a spruologist I'd still have a few years worth piled up.
@vik, I think a larger lid might d it, or if I build up the edges. I'm thinking of doing a construction site type barrier wall, or pipes which just happen to be in a square.
@fango, just go to work and tell your boss he's doing it wrong.....multiple times...it might make you more productive while sitting at home
@dave, great now I have an image of him in jackboots with a riding crop made of sprue.

I wasn't planning on this dice owner supporting anything like walkways, just to be one of he support columns of he hive with the power conduits and pipes going p to the next level. Still baffled by what I can use at the bottom where the dice come out. I'm actually considering a little non functioning fountain. Put a model on a plinth and then make retaining walls around it. The other option is to have a reflecting pool at the bottom.

Willing to take suggestions here as I don't have a good concept in mind.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/26 12:18:04


Post by: dsteingass


How about a basin with flourescent green colored PVA glue at the bottom to represent a sump or something?


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/26 14:41:23


Post by: Theophony


A basin is exactly what I'm thinking about for it dave, just need a good concept for the surrounding of it

In the mean time I wanted to get another idea fleshed out.
I give you the necromunda stoplight.

Googlie eyes will be painted to look like the regular red, yellow green.

Hopefully this applies
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6vega_monty-python-i-like-traffic-lights_music
Stupi YouTube wouldn't play, just follow the link to the video.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/26 16:37:53


Post by: Dr H


Nice traffic light.

lol. "I like traffic lights, but only when they're green."
Your url and /url are the wrong way round.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/26 16:47:28


Post by: Fango


 dsteingass wrote:
How about a basin with flourescent green colored PVA glue at the bottom to represent a sump or something?


Exactly what I was thinking, have a low concrete wall surrounding the 'sump' with a couple of small sewage pipes coming out of it and dumping into the cesspool. Then put a chain link fence on the low wall if the dice like to bounce out.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/26 17:11:54


Post by: cormadepanda


A street light in the sewer? Stop poop, slow poop, go poop. Yeap...


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/26 17:13:12


Post by: Theophony


@Dr. H, fixed, thanks
@fango, I think I'll make the "pool" part similar to how I made the grub hub walls. Extend the corners up higher an possibly use the mesh gutter covering stuff I have for he fence. Thanks

Meanwhile I had to go mail off a package for a swap shop deal, so I took some time to swing by a few stores. Only picked stuff up at th thrift store.

Packs of things called squinkies. Got them for $0.99 per pack including tax.

Here's a set out of their packages. 14 in a pack, the 4 in the back row were the random mystery guys in the red plastic balls. The rest came in the clear plastic balls. I originally wanted the balls (there you go nerdfest ), no other way of saying it, go ahead and take it out of context. The little guys are a rubber type material and seem to have a hole on the bottom so they can sit on erasers. Each pack comes with two dice and rules to battle with, really basic, but who cares. These things will probably make it into my playground area as the statues in the MINIGOLF course. Not sure what I'm going to do will the round balls now ,they are too big to be anything besides beach balls.

Man this post just sucks

@comradepanda, that's a lot of poop talk watch out, it might attract alpharius.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/26 18:18:03


Post by: shasolenzabi


Read the anthology "Fear the Alien" there is a an investigator who comes for a man to help investigate some grisly murders, he uses a fairly fancy ground car.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/26 18:26:47


Post by: dsteingass


Ground cars aren't in space marine books, they are in Guard books.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/26 19:15:21


Post by: Theophony


In one of the Horus Hersey series books (has alpha legion), a police officer from one planet rides in one if memory serves. Just sold my books so I can't remember which one. Plus once again my area of the hive is one that has been protected for ages from a collapse, which just recently reopened. Let the plundering commence.

Starting a second set of bases, this time with tile work.

It flows with my other set of bases as one of the dread bases has both tile and brickwork on it. They will have different features to them to represent different areas of the same facility. The sewer level entering into the tiled area of the lower levels. I'll later have some with the diamond plate pattern for upper levels and gantries.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/26 19:20:02


Post by: dsteingass


Then I think you should have a perfectly mint-condition '59 Cadillac converted to hover-mode


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/26 19:21:15


Post by: shasolenzabi


Oh and the Inquisition stories all have cars mentioned


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/26 19:24:36


Post by: dsteingass


That is because their Rosette's give them unlimited funds and pimp-daddy status (if they want it) wherever they go!


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/26 19:36:45


Post by: Ruglud


This should be the Inquisitions vehicle of choice...
Spoiler:


And Theo, I simply cannot keep up with your productivity... Dice tower is a cool idea though.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/26 20:24:49


Post by: Theophony


@ruglud, I think that would be the perfect car for a gene stealer cult
@shaso, those inquisitors get to keep everything they confiscate as heretical.
@dave, hey baby want to see my symbol of divine authority?

Finished the 40mm bases in tile, and a quick mock up of the door for the half tile, half brick base.

I don't have any more bike bases and only one more 60mm base that I can convert. I also need to finish up some more 25mm bases.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/26 21:23:05


Post by: KingCracker


Man Theo the paint scheme on the brick looks ace! And those bases are pretty damn snazzy as well


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/26 22:30:10


Post by: Littletower


Plenty of amazing work, and lots of ideas to try and replicate (Meaning steal, of course!), some I've already!
Don’t cease to keep them coming…


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/26 23:01:08


Post by: shasolenzabi


@shaso, those inquisitors get to keep everything they confiscate as heretical.


Yes, the agents of His Holy Ordos Inquisitoris have carte blanche pretty much for things that ordinary citizens could only gape at.


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Oh and the guys at CNC miniature scenery make a nice couple of dice towers for random rolling


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/26 23:17:53


Post by: cormadepanda


Poop talk theo? really? You take me for a lesser man.... well.. you needlessly bought the balls. Cool stuff i think.. Nice base work. Really!


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/27 03:17:02


Post by: Galorn


 Theophony wrote:
@ruglud, I think that would be the perfect car for a gene stealer cult
@shaso, those inquisitors get to keep everything they confiscate as heretical.
@dave, hey baby want to see my symbol of divine authority?

Finished the 40mm bases in tile, and a quick mock up of the door for the half tile, half brick base.

I don't have any more bike bases and only one more 60mm base that I can convert. I also need to finish up some more 25mm bases.


I can fix the lack of bases. (Once I am back up and running anyhoo.) Pm me your address and ill get some blanks heading your way.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/27 04:03:56


Post by: shasolenzabi


Bases, yum.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/27 07:49:46


Post by: Viktor von Domm


the new bases look very good...I imagine them a clean and mint...like fat chance this will happen to them

and those balls... well I like these shapes to be used for tank sponsons... my steampunk style... one day I challenge you to such a thing

but first things first... sewers are more often needed because war might end... but pooping never stops


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/27 11:56:18


Post by: dsteingass


..In the GrimDarkess of the far future, there is no peace, only pooping


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/27 12:45:42


Post by: Theophony


@kingcracker, thanks, yesterday the big wall sections got primed, we'll see what happens today, probably just prime the little walls.
@littletower, steal away, it how I get some of my better work.
@shaso, yes I've been following cnc for a while heir new trv is awesome, shipping is not though. I look at things I could buy and then try and make them from my scrap, call me cheap, but on a tight budget I'm okay with that.
@comradepanda,the little figures are turning out better than the plastic balls. Now I just need to build he golf course for them.
@galorn, thanks, pm sent
@vik, lets hope pooping never stops there's enough people in the world who are full of it. And because I'd never be able to say it ever again "I'll save my balls for you vik "
@Dave, here I thought there was no peace because the Goliaths left the seat up

Thanks for he kind words guys, it keeps me going (working not pooping). Thinking of graffiti for the sewer. Since I have sewer stuff and kitchen stuff I was thinking of a sign saying flush twice its a long way to the kitchen .

Vik, since you love odd stories while I was typing this I got o watch the squirrel at the bird feeder. I trimmed some branches away from the house so now he squirrel has to jump further to get to our roof, which is his shortcut to his tree in the backyard. Lets just say he missed, guess he's had too much birdseed he did the Wiley coyote running fall all the way to the ground. Good times.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/27 13:05:14


Post by: Viktor von Domm


LOL... our grands had a garden of their own...(it was a separate estate to their apartment... it is a thing here in Germany...) and we had this squirrel...also we had these ´orrible looking garden chairs... with big flower print on the seat cushions... well... mister squirrel was all in favour of these... he literally ate them... gnawed at them and tore them off... never to be seen again... my granny was all the rage as the filling of the cushions got spilled every time the lil fether had a go at these... I dunno if it was that tasty... but you never know with squirrels... somehow they are quite a weird breed...

and you save your balls for me?...have you checked with your wife.. well you have three kids... but maybe she would mind nevertheless?...beside... I think your voice would probably not be that nice to hear after that...


and if pooping would stop...wait for it... we would have even more catachans out there...


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/27 14:45:29


Post by: Theophony


Well then Vik, maybe I can get a job in the Vienna Boys Choir , then I'd be a little closer to be able to hang out you can have the empty ones, she gets the full ones.

In the mean time I worked on bases...well base actually just one.



Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/27 15:00:56


Post by: Viktor von Domm


mate...*yuck*

that base tho looks very good... in a way it looks a bit like a pool entrance...it´s probably that stairway making me think that way... and your ideas that make me feel in need for a wash or two...


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/27 19:35:46


Post by: Theophony


Well they say a picture is worth a thousand words.....

I think his might convey some of the thousand words like , that I screamed today.

Decided to try he airbrush again, guess I didn't clean it good enough last time as I had the paint thinned appropriately, but it wasn't coming out. So I dumped that paint, stripped it down, cleaned it, reassembled, tested with no paint and had good pressure, added paint, got a few squirts, then it started shooting out he cap on top.

Half a roll of paper towels later I could see the screen of my iPad which was three feet away. It will need a new screen protector as the paint seems to have damaged the screen protector on it.

That is how my day went. I have he airbrush soaking right now, I may take it out later. Or I may take it out


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/27 19:48:51


Post by: shasolenzabi


Dang Theo, that is hard times.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/27 19:49:02


Post by: dsteingass


oh NO!! You've probably got a clog in the nozzle if it's bubbling out the top of the color cup!


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/27 19:51:07


Post by: Galorn


 Theophony wrote:
Well they say a picture is worth a thousand words.....

I think his might convey some of the thousand words like , that I screamed today.

Decided to try he airbrush again, guess I didn't clean it good enough last time as I had the paint thinned appropriately, but it wasn't coming out. So I dumped that paint, stripped it down, cleaned it, reassembled, tested with no paint and had good pressure, added paint, got a few squirts, then it started shooting out he cap on top.

Half a roll of paper towels later I could see the screen of my iPad which was three feet away. It will need a new screen protector as the paint seems to have damaged the screen protector on it.

That is how my day went. I have he airbrush soaking right now, I may take it out later. Or I may take it out



Dude that sucks. Did you rove the needlem as part of your teardown to clean it? It sounds like you may have dried paint in the nozzle. They only way i've come across to clean that is to remove the nozzle and then carefully scrape it out with a needle.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/27 19:57:00


Post by: inmygravenimage


Theo, sounds nightmarish, my sympathies. Also, lovely bases, btw!


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/27 20:05:37


Post by: Theophony


@galorn, I had every part taken out and separated.
@dave, thought I had the nozzle clear. I had it out an was able to see light brought the tiny little hole. Guess it could have gotten clogged, but the paint was so thinned I have no clue.
@shaso, yeah it would figure that I finally get the painting bug and want to try the airbrush then this happens
@graven, I will probably have nightmares about it tonight. I've showered and scrubbed, but still have paint all over me

Enough of my pity party...this is more confirmation that my armies should always be primer white, grey or black. The only way they'll get here colors is if I use all three primers . Glad I'm more into the designing and building than actual play.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/27 21:16:04


Post by: dsteingass


Don't give up..it IS a knock-off ab after all

The more I try to add rusty texture to my pipes, the worse I make it look


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/28 00:47:10


Post by: Theophony


@dave, rust I'll come with time , but its on reason my underhive is in great shape , that and the servo skull janitors.

Gave it another shot after stripping it down again and cleaning again. It worked, for a little bit, then clogged again not all at once, but slowly. I have the paint really runny. The only thing I can think is the pressure is too high since my compressor doesn't have an accurate pressure gauge.

Just cleaned again,might try another attempt in the morning, but if its this much aggravation each time then back o the good old brush.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/28 11:39:33


Post by: KingCracker


Do you have a moisture trap on your brush? A buddy of mine had the same problems and turned out he never put one on. Fixed his problem right away


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/28 12:05:35


Post by: dsteingass


He was using too much pressure if it shot out the color cup.. you need that digital pressure gauge from Harbor Freight to reliably set it for 10-20 psi


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/28 12:27:01


Post by: Theophony


@kingcracker, I don't have a moisture trap, will look into it today
@dsteingass, that's why I have hat pressure regulator sitting on the shelf , need to get a male/male 1/4 fitting to connect it today. I'll be close to harbor freight, so quick swing by and I'll get some and look at moisture traps.

Well the moment of truth. How's it look the next day? Is it good or coyote ugly?

If it was base coated metal I'd say the jobs done cause it weathered itself. The 2small sewer walls that I got done were looking decent as well.

The airbrush might not become a hood ornament after all.....didn't change my mind on my new quote though.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/28 12:31:08


Post by: dsteingass


Did you prime that first?

Those runs are definitely extra moisture in the line...


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/28 12:36:44


Post by: Theophony


Yes it was primed white. Same thing happened on the green tower I airbrushed last time. Probably the pressure being so high. Could be the humidity or temperature since its hot outside, but I thought I gave it enough time to cool.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/28 12:38:30


Post by: dsteingass


I'm sorry I sent you such a cheap tool man. I really thought it would be fine for basecoats, figured you'd eventually upgrade to a decent one....


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/28 12:49:05


Post by: Theophony


 dsteingass wrote:
I'm sorry I sent you such a cheap tool man. I really thought it would be fine for basecoats, figured you'd eventually upgrade to a decent one....


Dude no problem, I still appreciate it, I'm just a noob figuring stuff out. I'm not giving up, in fact this little escapade is getting me to try harder with getting it up and running. I'd rather try and fail a few dozen times (hopefully not that many), so I learn how to do it right, than to get it right off the bat think I'm a hotshot and make an ass of myself later.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/28 12:51:49


Post by: dsteingass


My first AB was a secondhand Paasche with a bent needle and the previous owner sprayed Testors enamel green through it and never cleaned it. It was completely frustrating to use...


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I almost want to go buy you a Badger Patriot 105 for $65 now


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despite my left-handed photography here, you should have this kind of control

Mine is too wet here on account of the left-handed photography, but you get the idea...


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/28 13:58:58


Post by: Theophony


I had a badger as my first airbrush, but it kept biting me....badum-cha!

I really had a Badger airbrush, it's hiding somewhere. I got It cheap, like $20.00 with hose and accessories. But it used canned air, and when I saw the price of he cans I understood where they made the money. I got the compressor for Father's Day a few years ago, it's a cheap one, but works on airing up the kids bikes, my car tires, and soccer balls. It looked like I had decent control with this brush when it worked, but for wha I need it for is basecoating big things, like sewer walls, so hopefully we'll see progress tonight.

Tonight because its grandparent basement cleaning time let's go waste johns day.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/28 17:45:15


Post by: inmygravenimage


Looking good, and definitely can fight the moonlight (sorry... )


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/28 17:47:26


Post by: Nafarious


I am thinking about picking up an airbrush, but I want to go get one from the local hobby lobby not order one. Do any of you know of any good ones.

Also I know the air compressor you are talking about my dad has one just like it


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/28 18:11:48


Post by: Theophony


@graven, thanks
@nafarious, I haven't looked at theirs in a while, just make sure yo use the 40% off coupon if ou buy on there.

Back from the grandparents. Stopped by big lots (nothing) and a thrift shop (nothing) and harbor freight. Picked up a moisture trap and parts o connect I and he pressure regulator.

Also stopped and got Chinese food on the way home. Funniest hing ever happened hil I was sitting and waiting or my To go order. An older man 50ish came in and went to the counter. The young Asian lady came up thinking he wanted to place an order. Instead the man told her he was looking for someone. She asked if it was a man or woman, and he said female. She asked for the girls name nd he admitted he only knew her last name. When he said the last name she didn't recognize the last name, wondered if they were new to the area. He said "oh No, she's in china." The lady at the counter was visibly shaken, but continued to ask how he knows her. He admitted that he saw her online at a dating site, but didn't want to pay them for her contact information. He said he could find her without shelling out the cash. She tried to explain how there's so many people in china with the last name. I audibly snickered, which drew her gaze, he didn't turn around. He started insisting that she must have a way to contact this woman, that he only has a last name to, he showed her a picture on his phone. I'm guessing the site was not PG rated as she blushed and turned away. She said something in Chinese and one of the cooks came out to ask him to leave. He was stunned that they were being so rude to him, he just wanted to take care of he girl. On my way home I was passing another Chinese restaurant here the guy was coming out of that one too .

God humors me every day. Almost makes up for the airbrushing fun.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/28 18:15:26


Post by: Nafarious


Yea I will for sure use that 40% off coupon

Jeez who thinks that every Chinese person knows every other Chinese person. That is pretty odd. Sounds like an eventful day.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/28 18:20:52


Post by: Theophony


Eventful yes. I loaded my SUV with so many magazines from th grandparents basement that the rear wheels were almost touching the frame. Still only about 30% of the magazines are gone.

Now my belly is full of Chinese food and I don't feel like going downstairs to mess with the airbrush.

Edit: got off my lazy butt and messed with the airbrush again. Attached the pressure valve and moisture trap to the compressor line, felt lucky so added paint and......


About ten minutes later. Started on the second tray and got about halfway when it clogged again. I think it's because I'm using GW foundation paint which is just thick. Even heavily thinned it thickens back up. I might be wrong. I set pressure to 25 psi, would you go lower or higher guys?

Oh and.....


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/28 22:44:26


Post by: Viktor von Domm


the first AB accident of yours reminds me when our mixer "exploded" in our kitchen ...milky splatter-rama...

but all the hurt and pain you are feeling now also have a bright side to it... you have a rather quick learning curve... your still not there yet... but you are getting closer to the perfekt job...!

and i better not coment on the chineese thing... that really makes my hothead get all angry and red...some people...


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/28 23:03:28


Post by: KingCracker


Wow, that restaurant story some people are just oblivious. I'm glad I just ate dinner, other wise is be craving Chinese too. Looks like you're getting there with the airbrush. Not totally the, but solving the problems anyways. I've read A LOT of article on them because some day I'll own one and want to be prepared when I do, so I know they can be real finiky until you get them dialed in.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/28 23:12:50


Post by: Theophony


Well I changed the nozzle from the .2mm up to the .5mm to try that out. It worked for a few minutes the. I was cursing and trying knobs again. I figure I better open the paint lid to see if any chunks were in the tank I ran out of paint, no wonder it wouldn't spray sometimes the most obvious answers are overlooked. Filled it with winded and cleaned it out.

Will work on it in the morning, my littlest daughter went to the baseball game tonight with a neighbor family. They are a young couple 20s, their niece lives with them now because the father just died of a heart attack, and moms not doing good. The girl moved in with them and then she's had heart surgery for congenital problem. She's only 6, stuff like this breaks my heart (no pun there).


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/28 23:45:57


Post by: Galorn


 Theophony wrote:
Well I changed the nozzle from the .2mm up to the .5mm to try that out. It worked for a few minutes the. I was cursing and trying knobs again. I figure I better open the paint lid to see if any chunks were in the tank I ran out of paint, no wonder it wouldn't spray sometimes the most obvious answers are overlooked. Filled it with winded and cleaned it out.

Will work on it in the morning, my littlest daughter went to the baseball game tonight with a neighbor family. They are a young couple 20s, their niece lives with them now because the father just died of a heart attack, and moms not doing good. The girl moved in with them and then she's had heart surgery for congenital problem. She's only 6, stuff like this breaks my heart (no pun there).


Glad to see the AB has gotten some Kinks out. GW foundation paint will clog it is not intended to be thinned... If you do you should thin it with AB medium.

That said I should be able to get those base blanks out to you some time next week. (I can now bend but not really lift anything yet... hopefully I will be back up and running so to speak by tomorrow.)



Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/29 00:03:18


Post by: cormadepanda


nice work Theo. Glad to see some progress on the paint world.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/29 00:17:31


Post by: Theophony


@galorn, my backs not that bad, but sore right now. I filled my SUV with magazines today then took them to recycle. Had to be between 1200-1800 magazines. Paper is not light. I'll see about getting new paint or airbrush medium tomorrow, thanks for the info.
@comradepanda, at this rate I might get my entry done....a month or two late.

Sitting watching the empty bird feeder, and all the upset visitors. Is it wrong to think about trimming the branch the squirrel uses to jump o the roof. I'd do it gradually, like an inch a day, it would be to help improve his leg strength. Honestly. I wouldn't get any joy watching him miss the jump and fall while trying to flap his arms, that wouldn't be nice.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/29 00:43:51


Post by: Galorn


 Theophony wrote:
@galorn, my backs not that bad, but sore right now. I filled my SUV with magazines today then took them to recycle. Had to be between 1200-1800 magazines. Paper is not light. I'll see about getting new paint or airbrush medium tomorrow, thanks for the info.
@comradepanda, at this rate I might get my entry done....a month or two late.

Sitting watching the empty bird feeder, and all the upset visitors. Is it wrong to think about trimming the branch the squirrel uses to jump o the roof. I'd do it gradually, like an inch a day, it would be to help improve his leg strength. Honestly. I wouldn't get any joy watching him miss the jump and fall while trying to flap his arms, that wouldn't be nice.


some folks build amuzing obstacle or "confidence" courses for their local squirls to run film em and post it to youtube... some of the rigs folks have build look like rejected ideas from ninja warrior...


I can just see the servo skulls rigging somthing for a sump dweller...


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/29 05:17:07


Post by: shasolenzabi


I think the airbrushes would also make my hanbds aches as the larger heavy objects would strain my arthritis, so I will stick to hand painting my stuff.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/29 11:48:25


Post by: Theophony


Well as I don't have arthritis I can't say. But I did get so much more done in the same amount of time. The brush is really lightweight, so only like holding a pot or two of paints in your hand. It's also more robust so if you have problems with holding small brushes this could be easier.

If you try it be prepared to be frustrated....often, but once you get the bug it gets you good , now if only my kids would get up for school I could start the compressor so I can get on with my stuff


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Edit: stupid download didn't happen last night at 11pm. well here it is.Waiting for my daughter to come home I was rummaging over in the tutorials and found this technique. I haven't seen it before, but he made a nice video showin he technique in action. Give It a view when you have time.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/548332.page


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/29 12:53:48


Post by: dsteingass


Theo..25 psi may be too much. Remember, what you set the regulator dial to, is different than what the pressure drops to when spraying. So if you set it to 25 PSI on the dial, check it while just spraying air. Also, water doesn't thin paint well for airbrushing. Try Testors universal acrylic thinner. Also make sure you can spray water or wash through the nozzle before loading up with paint. Don't use the color cup cap unless your hand is turning the airbrush to such an angle that it spills out. You DON'T want an airtight vacuum in the color cup. Nothing sucks worse than filling the color cup with paint, only to find it doesn't spray. The smaller the needle, the more tendency for tip dry (the crusting of paint on the tip and needle). I keep an old brush handy to wet and clean the needle every so often while spraying. Acrylics dry with air, and the tool intentionally atomiizes the paint so it dries immediately after spraying, so you're really working against yourself. Paint manipulation and playing with pressure is super important with acrylics.


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Also, use the feature that lets you pull the needle back on a spring for cleaning the nozzle with the brush. That way you don't have to strip it down as much.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/29 14:33:48


Post by: Theophony


Thanks dave I'll keep that in mind as I continue. I've been thinning the paint with the testors thinner. I remember you suggesting that a while back, and have used it to reconstitute some old paints. I've dialed back the pressure as I started to use windex as I ran out of the testors. I seem to be having better luck with the windex, and the smell is pleasant too.

In the mean time one of my taller pics got "moded", it was one of the wall sections with "thank you dave" sprayed onto it. It was covered over with my grey primer coat before I saw they killed it.

Also I put a few other colors throughout the airbrush this morning. Half hour time an the walls got an orange layer and their red color. I'll have to redo the orange as it got covered, but here's the results.


And comparison to the hand painted. They will get another light orange and some individual bricks picked out by hand.

Time to amend the profile page again.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/29 15:29:38


Post by: Viktor von Domm


Thanks for the link Theo. Very interesting!
And good to see you stil making progress.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/29 16:18:40


Post by: Theophony


Thanks vik, I don't think I'd have the patience to do it his way, but interesting.

Meanwhile added orange


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/29 17:50:16


Post by: Viktor von Domm


Well to be frank, it rather lenghty for me too, but to use the pencil that way sure has its use, I dunno what for
And that is a nice random color flow


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/29 19:11:06


Post by: Theophony


Thanks vik, I like the color of the sewer walls too. They don't look quite so orange in real life. But now that they are more dry I thought I might try a layout color the sump pit.

Using the bulkheads will also give me a few anchor points for the above catwalk. This layout has both sides up two levels. I think the final layout will have just the one level to it on one side and two on the other.

Though I have the pipe entrances on the ends I think they will disappear as this is supposed to be a closed pit. Once the one side is lowered ill have enough big pieces for the endzones.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/29 19:40:38


Post by: KingCracker


Hey hey looky there! Thats progress ladies and gents! Dammit...I really need to get an airbrush


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/29 21:17:04


Post by: Dr H


Good to see you have tamed the airbrush (for now at least). Looking good.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/29 22:25:01


Post by: Viktor von Domm


Though I have the pipe entrances on the ends I think they will disappear as this is supposed to be a closed pit. Once the one side is lowered ill have enough big pieces for the endzones.


actually i think you should keep that pipe structure... but for cruelness sake... you could add a bigger grate there... possibly made from ...wait for it...sprue^^


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/29 23:11:54


Post by: Theophony


@kc, if you said that two days ago this one would be on its way to you.
@dr.h, tamed....no I think it is just playing possum with me.
@vik, sprue for the spruemeister, plastic for his plastic throne!!!

So instead of having a ledge all the way around the pit so players can be knocked off the field, I've decided to just go for some colorful story. If a player is run into the wall(off the pitch), then the semi sentient fungus that's crawling the walls attacks the player(fan assault). Between touchdowns the player is rescued, as long as his injury wasn't too bad (dead). Can lead to interesting story if its a miss the next game result as the player is dragged to the fungus' den, and only just manages to escape.

The other option is the player is pulled up to the catwalk by fans and beaten silly. I think the first is more fun story wise.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/29 23:25:37


Post by: Dr H


Sounds like a good idea.

sprue for the spruemeister, plastic for his plastic throne!!!

Sig'd and I'm going to have to make a throne at some point.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/30 00:03:25


Post by: Nafarious


Glad to see the airbrush worked out for you. I am also happy to see that you are constantly posting not many of the blogs I follow are anymore.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/30 00:04:45


Post by: Viktor von Domm


yup...the first fluff sounds more apropriate!...make it so


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/30 00:07:34


Post by: Theophony


I thought about making a sprue throne for you, but I know I couldn't do it justice.

In the mean time, something's to keep me occupied.

Quick vents. Simple hose washers with the granny grating inside. Easy to place anywhere on the table.
Another large base with built in lighting strip.
And a power tap tower


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/30 00:30:12


Post by: KingCracker


 Theophony wrote:
@kc, if you said that two days ago this one would be on its way to you.
@dr.h, tamed....no I think it is just playing possum with me.
@vik, sprue for the spruemeister, plastic for his plastic throne!!!

So instead of having a ledge all the way around the pit so players can be knocked off the field, I've decided to just go for some colorful story. If a player is run into the wall(off the pitch), then the semi sentient fungus that's crawling the walls attacks the player(fan assault). Between touchdowns the player is rescued, as long as his injury wasn't too bad (dead). Can lead to interesting story if its a miss the next game result as the player is dragged to the fungus' den, and only just manages to escape.

The other option is the player is pulled up to the catwalk by fans and beaten silly. I think the first is more fun story wise.




Wheres the Tardis when ya need it


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/30 00:59:24


Post by: Theophony




Afraid I can only lend you a turdis. You'll need to bring your own paper though.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/30 04:28:38


Post by: dsteingass


Your production rate is astounding! Makes me see what all I could get done if I didn't re-roll on Fallout :New Vegas..again

But I get inspirational idea screenshots, so it's not all wasted in the wasteland
It taught me that I need to grey basecoat, then color, then chipping with the base color too


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/30 11:04:13


Post by: KingCracker


Hey, Fallout is always awesome in my book. And it had inspired me many times as well


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/30 11:50:47


Post by: Theophony


I thought about making one of those signs that you see out in front of businesses with the arrow and a letter board. Figured it would be a neat little piece the gangers could have fun with spelling.

Edit: made a third base in the brick format


Edit 2: with the forthcoming marine codex(and me using an airbrush) i've been thinking of redoing my marines into a different chapter. Should I stick with my own chapter "Theophony", or I've been thinking of doing Iron Hands (love Bionics and servo skulls), Salamanders , or Do a different army like the Scythes of the Emperor (Really love the color). Or do you guys have other suggestions. Feel free to throw out Ideas as I can always add bionics to them, count as sallies, and not totally sold on the scythes.

Last Option is Do Not-Grey Knights. I have my leviathan Crusader calling me saying "you have that Airbrush now.....PAINT ME!!!!!!!!"

He'll have to be satisfied with just being primed today. My kids are off school today and Monday, taking them to a pool today for a few hours. Tomorrow is busy with six flags(amusement park), and birthday parties. Sunday is all church and more birthday parties. between family and friends we have 7 this week. Monday is a Holiday so the wife is out of school also. I start back in school on tuesday


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/30 18:34:09


Post by: shasolenzabi


The Dreamforge machines look like good investments for my forces to have a more interesting looking titan


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/30 18:50:25


Post by: Theophony


The dream forge stuff is beautiful. They should be shipping the 15mm crusaders, 28mm mortis, and the 28mm weapon arms soon. They are overdue, but are supposedly on their way to Utah now, just waiting for the alternate weapon arms to arrive. The 15mm are the same size as the dreadknight....coincidence??? I think not as the original 15mm were larger .

Anyway....
Here's a scythe to look at.


Terrible photo I know. But I'm now leaning to them because they remind me of walking hazard stripes


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/30 19:20:35


Post by: Dr H


As far as painting marines goes. You can pretty much paint them how you like, from what I can tell. Then you can just say "Today, these are counts as Ultramarines/Salamanders/IF/..."

And if you've got as many marines as you seem to, then you've probably got all the possible options available for any unique chapter traits...

Other than that, I can't really give any advice on what chapter to choose, but I hope for something unique.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/30 19:26:25


Post by: Viktor von Domm


Actually I think you should go down the addmech road... I bet that would be right up your alley... The leviathan needs to be painted. Period! And that new base look stunning!


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/30 20:03:05


Post by: Theophony


@Dr. H, yeah it nice to be able to counts as, that's why I think I'll go the scythes direction. Very little don with them, and I have 4-5 times as many models as they are supposed to have left alive.
@Vik, admech is so very tempting, but I have these pesky marines scattered all around. Just pulled the primed leviathan inside, I think it will look great in the yellow and black of the scythes .

My story for it/them will be a knight household was on one of the planets that the scythes tried to defend from the hive fleet. The planet was consumed, and so were the pilots of the knights/titans, but enough of the knights/titans survived the battle because the pilots ejected themselves before the end so the machines could live/not be destroyed. After all, why would the tyrannies destroy lifeless metal. Other worlds had been scoured of life, but buildings and machines had survived. After the fleet had been destroyed the worlds had been salvaged of usable material for the imperium, the marines took the weapons and armor of their fallen comrades, and also the knights and titans that fought beside them. The machines have been sanctified and reprinted into the scythes colors as the blood of both armies is now one.

That's my idea, lets see if I stick to it .


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Little update

Yes he can have two guns instead

And yes those are 28/30mm figs at its feet so this will count as an allied warhound Titan, 750pts down, well at least primary colors applied.

Eyes on target

Night fighting



Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/31 07:58:38


Post by: Viktor von Domm


Ohhh nasty glowy eyes... Fluff sounds good, but don't be sad... The scheme is not really my thing... I have to research their scheme again...


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/31 08:04:00


Post by: shasolenzabi


Of course, mine would be for the Khadrovian State, so in my usual military scheme


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/31 08:32:44


Post by: lone dirty dog


 Theophony wrote:
The dream forge stuff is beautiful. They should be shipping the 15mm crusaders, 28mm mortis, and the 28mm weapon arms soon. They are overdue, but are supposedly on their way to Utah now, just waiting for the alternate weapon arms to arrive. The 15mm are the same size as the dreadknight....coincidence??? I think not as the original 15mm were larger .

Anyway....
Here's a scythe to look at.


Terrible photo I know. But I'm now leaning to them because they remind me of walking hazard stripes


Are you building a space marine strip club


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/31 08:48:37


Post by: Viktor von Domm


Lol...sadly I had a similar thought...


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/31 13:30:25


Post by: dsteingass


I'd guess he's "singin' in the rain"

Theo, did you airbrush that yellow on the Knight?


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/31 14:16:48


Post by: Theophony


@dsteingass, the knight was all airbrushed to that point I showed.
@LDD, now what would they have to show, or do about it.
@shaso, I'm afraid you'll have to build up your own forces, mine need to be different.
@vik, their color scheme is black helmet, shoulders, arms and legs. Their chest and groin are yellow. I've seen models with white or red helmets as well. Since they're such a rare chapter I haven't seen an agreement on weapon color, but I think it's supposed to be yellow.

Been hand painting parts this morning, nothing really to show.

Here is current level, I haven't even started with the lead belcher on the metals yet.
Top down view to show what I'm doing with shoulders. Not sure if yellow stripe will become white or red.

The black part will get the yellow crossed scythes and a heraldry for the princept.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/31 17:17:03


Post by: shasolenzabi


Ordering such one day will be fun


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/31 20:59:49


Post by: Galorn


Looks Good So far. I'll be sending you those bases on monday.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/31 21:20:29


Post by: Theophony


@Galorn,Mondays the holiday, rest your back another day , I can send these back to you quickly.
@shaso, I would love to get more of these babies to have a cohort.

Back from one party, off to the next in a few minutes.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/08/31 22:42:28


Post by: Galorn


 Theophony wrote:
@Galorn,Mondays the holiday, rest your back another day , I can send these back to you quickly.
@shaso, I would love to get more of these babies to have a cohort.

Back from one party, off to the next in a few minutes.


Why so it is... I'll send em Tuesday then.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/09/01 12:11:32


Post by: Theophony


Not much of an update, too many parties yesterday, and one more this afternoon, and one tomorrow for all the birthdays in our families.

In the mean time got a supply drop yesterday, an overdue eBay order.when a U.S. company says 3-5 days it shouldn't be more than a week should it? How much do you guys ding people for on eBay for something like that?

These are true 1mm beads, and it did come with a free brush so.....

Anyway I did paint the crusaders head all black last night, makes the eyes more Erie. Did a few strokes of metal before I started to yawn to much.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/09/01 13:30:34


Post by: dsteingass


Man Theo..That's looking really good! 1mm rivets..NICE!


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/09/01 16:21:13


Post by: KingCracker


If it says 3-5 days and it takes 8 days...thats my absolute limit, 8 days. Anything more than that and its time to get contacted


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/09/01 21:06:30


Post by: Theophony


@dave, yes, these seem to all be the same size too. The others I got were varied sizes and some weren't even round.
@kc, looks like it may have been the problem with the post office, not the seller, the package sat for over a day at one post office.

Family coming over shortly, hopefully will put more pics up later tonight. I redid the shoulder pads almost all black, and almost finished one of the gun arms.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/09/01 22:21:20


Post by: KingCracker


Well theres a surprise. I once bought a PEZ dispenser on Ebay and thought the guy was jerking me around. Come to find out it was sitting at the local post office waiting for me to come and sign off for it for some random reason. They never gave me the notice nor the seller for that matter and said it had to of been my fault Sometimes....I swear


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/09/01 23:55:08


Post by: Theophony


Yeah, not sure what happened, but it was at the post office in his state for over 30hours. And it's not like Saturday to a Monday.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/09/02 13:15:07


Post by: Theophony


Got some work done before the kids got up. Here's the current state of the leviathan.

I think I'll have to work on learning OSL for the sword, which is supposed to be plasma based.
The shield will get redone, just did a quick chapter symbol, I'll be trying to get the scythes emblem printed from the BOLS template.
The gun is pretty much done unless I do some weathering.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/09/02 13:34:51


Post by: dsteingass


Gun looks nice!
ALWAYS pay the extra few bucks for Priority mail whenever possible. It sounds like the USPS is even making that service better now too, with free insurance and such along with the tracking.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/09/02 14:24:43


Post by: Dr H


Gun is looking quite tidy. Good job.

Is that the real colour in the photo, looks more of an orange-y yellow than I was expecting? Or is it just my tv?


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/09/02 15:48:08


Post by: Theophony


@Dr. H, the color is straight averland sunset, a little darker than what I want, but I need to get the basecoating solid first then I'll do layers of a lighter color.
@dave, shipping was free, and the total was $3.47 or the rivets. I kept myself busy with other stuff while waiting, and they didn't have options for better shipping.

So I got more work done before making them breakfast this morning. They were up late stow of the three kept in.

Not sure of the black shield on the chest, but unsure if I should go white for contrast, gunmetal to tie it in or just do yellow. I might even do red with a cog pattern for the adeptus aspect. Any thoughts?

The plasma color I'm thinking of doing will probably be a dark to light orange.


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/09/02 20:15:30


Post by: inmygravenimage


Holy fudge sticks, that thing is huge! Oh, and red


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/09/02 20:45:03


Post by: Theophony


@Graven, thanks im thinking red as well. i can always cover it with black again if needed.

I've taken a bit of a break from painting, see this model was originally intended to be lite up. Well I got so excited to build it I didn't think about running wires. Well now i got my drill out. Here's the result.

Red lights in the helmet for the eyes, thinking of putting a white light in the targeted over the right eye.
Also ran the second red light loosely to the left arm where it back lights behind the shield.
The other set of red lights I've drilled through the back and up through the smokestacks. I just wish they flickered.

The other option that I drill a hole in the chest and run the second light into the gut shining down on the spine and pelvis hydraulics, like so.


I'm leaning towards the second option as that will still allow the left arm to be switched out to the other options.

I could make the gut light purple along with the targeted being purple. I also have green lights. Each light set has two bulbs on it, and I'd like to limit it to two colors.



Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/09/03 11:41:52


Post by: KingCracker


I like the light on the guts. makes it look imposing


Going Down: Beyond the Gates of Antares  @ 2013/09/03 12:02:58


Post by: Dr H


Purple goes well with yellow.
But see how it looks to you before committing. Light behaves differently to paint with colours.

Yeah, lighting the intricate, inner workings would look cool and highlight the details there.