Highly doubt they will make "mini" warscrolls. The game already scales to however much you want to play. You can take whatever you want already in open or narrative play.
I don't think a group of 5 Bloodreavers would do very well without an increase in bravery. Battle shock could wipe out the entire unit if you lost even one figure. I agree that Liberators and Blood Warriors are probably fine though.
The whole purpose of this mini box set is to show you the AoS mechanics to see if you like it. It could cost them tooooons of $ to break apart sets and make custom boxes then ship em out for every faction. If you like this mini set, then it gets you to buy the starter OR invest in another army. You can try and proxy anything since the rules are free to see if you like it before buying.
I would be surprised if AoS doesn't have a new starter set to launch with whatever the storyline after Realmgate Wars is.
Highly doubt they will make "mini" warscrolls. The game already scales to however much you want to play. You can take whatever you want already in open or narrative play.
I don't think a group of 5 Bloodreavers would do very well without an increase in bravery. Battle shock could wipe out the entire unit if you lost even one figure. I agree that Liberators and Blood Warriors are probably fine though.
The whole purpose of this mini box set is to show you the AoS mechanics to see if you like it. It could cost them tooooons of $ to break apart sets and make custom boxes then ship em out for every faction. If you like this mini set, then it gets you to buy the starter OR invest in another army. You can try and proxy anything since the rules are free to see if you like it before buying.
I would be surprised if AoS doesn't have a new starter set to launch with whatever the storyline after Realmgate Wars is.
Nurgle vs elves, Nurgle vs elves
Or humans or Slaanesh or Lizzards or a new race or whatever, as long as the streak of kickass Nurgle minis continues.
Giant battle in my local between Chaos Daemons (me), Warriors of Chaos, two Dark Elves, two Seraphon, Skaven and Vampire Counts. Alliances happened and ultimately I won so one for Chaos!. Was capture the artefact.
Highly doubt they will make "mini" warscrolls. The game already scales to however much you want to play. You can take whatever you want already in open or narrative play.
I don't think a group of 5 Bloodreavers would do very well without an increase in bravery. Battle shock could wipe out the entire unit if you lost even one figure. I agree that Liberators and Blood Warriors are probably fine though.
The whole purpose of this mini box set is to show you the AoS mechanics to see if you like it. It could cost them tooooons of $ to break apart sets and make custom boxes then ship em out for every faction. If you like this mini set, then it gets you to buy the starter OR invest in another army. You can try and proxy anything since the rules are free to see if you like it before buying.
I would be surprised if AoS doesn't have a new starter set to launch with whatever the storyline after Realmgate Wars is.
Nurgle vs elves, Nurgle vs elves
Or humans or Slaanesh or Lizzards or a new race or whatever, as long as the streak of kickass Nurgle minis continues.
Id love nurgle vs sylva. Buddy plays nurgle so a easy split. Or something with more Ironjawz...
High/Dark elves if they ever make a starter would be vs slaanesh since they captured it. That would be a good themed set though. I'm sure that will be a big release/story point soon enough.
Lizards would be vs a mix of chaos if it was a starter since they fight demons a lot.
They're releasing a mini starter set of Stormcast and Bloodbound. I very much doubt the (only 1 year old) big starter set is going anywhere any time soon.
unmercifulconker wrote: Pesky so called 'good' mortals currently have the upper hand in my local, hopefully Nagash will change that.
Life cannot escape death!
Silly necromancer, the realm of life belongs to the living! You already have your carrion world and corpse castles to lurk in.
Warp Rider wrote: Giant battle in my local between Chaos Daemons (me), Warriors of Chaos, two Dark Elves, two Seraphon, Skaven and Vampire Counts. Alliances happened and ultimately I won so one for Chaos!. Was capture the artefact.
Bah, never send elves, lizards and vampires to do a human's job. (Congrats on the win, though)
On bets for a new starter set, my money's on Duardin vs Tzeentch. Alot of rumors kept pointing towards silver tower being a starter set so it's possible the leaked info got mixed up.
A lot of those X vs Y posts will probably become somewhat true with all the boardgames GW releases. And I'm a sucker for big boxes/starters. They should release some more "mini starters" with two factions (20 ish minis) on a larger sprue and place them between the real starter/Silver Tower price band and the SC boxes. I'd buy most boxes. All if the trend of amazing monopose models continue. And then expand most warbands.
But GW would rather use existing CAD models to make a new mould instead of using a few sculpter hours to alter the models a bit and absolutley refuses to crush the competition on economy of scale grounds. Instead of undercutting Malifaux/Infinity/many other brands starter boxes and laughing all the way to the bank their pricing structure made it economically feasible for the others to throw their hat into the ring in the first place.
And I really want a box with a Nurgle ogre, a sorceror, a few beastmen and some cultists
Uriels_Flame wrote: We are off and running at the LFGS here too. 3 battles - stormcast won the first two vs orks and Bloodbound.
Nagash was facing off with Archaon in the 3rd but it was a late night and didn't see that one completed.
Prices not withstanding, I like those new centaurs. More meaty than the dragonogres.
Yeah played a game yesterday, the iron jaw's pretty much destroyed my ranks those gore grunta's hurt a lot and the brutes tear apart my infantry and Gordrakk killed manny in one round of combat. Perhaps I should spread out my infantry more to soak the lines while my heroes work the iron jaw's down but bloody hell the iron jaw's are tough.
Nice looking new model. Was hard imo to see detail of the head in the original pic. Happy to see more Hashut mentioned in AoS. There's a note in All Points/Gates whichever one the book is called
VeteranNoob wrote: Nice looking new model. Was hard imo to see detail of the head in the original pic. Happy to see more Hashut mentioned in AoS. There's a note in All Points/Gates whichever one the book is called
Yeah in the all-gate books it said that the children of Hashut were the one's who built one of Archaon's fortresses.
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It will be interesting to see if it ends up lopsided if they've moved on from: "Well that wasn't the result we wanted, hmm... Move on nothing to see here." Like they did with the last one.
Not sure how it can reach a result they don't want. The background's open enough for any possibility to happen with minimal consequence to the setting barring that Sigmar's realm is besieged.
Realm of life falls to chaos? Focus on another realm for stories and models and decide on whether another campaign should be made to defend the next realm or retake life.
Hahaha love the artwork of the Bonesplitterz fighting the Sylvaneth, the Big spear guys just smacking it into the Treelords leg and the back orc is just dangling in the air.
Liking this release and £115 un-discounted for Battletome, 20 orruks, 10 Boarboyz and 3 heroes is not too bad. I am used to seeing those new releases bundles at like £200-250.
Edit: Love these models though, honestly if I had only just looked back into fantasy now, you could have said these are completely new models and I would've believed you.
So just did a quick check on a discounted retailer, about £90 included P+P gets you 40 orruks, 10 boarboyz and the Ironjawz Shaman since I would use him instead of finecast, gives you about 1000 points minus the ork big boss with I think it was:
10 savage orruks, 10 arrowboys, 10 maniacs, 2 big stabba teams, 1 shaman and 10 boarboyz. Thats without taking a battalion.
Are there any rumours for who the next major faction is? I guess the ogors from the general's handbook are next but they are just repacked I bet.
I was browsing warhammer world site and remembered the AoS open day is about a month away. Says we will get the chance to see what the teams are working on. I wonder if there will be a major release before or after the open day.
I hope it isn't Duardin just because I have barely restrained myself from starting a Dwarf army as-is, and any new models for things like Thunderers would devastate my wallet.
I almost want to pick up some of those centaurs and do some head conversions to run them as counts-as juggernaut of khorne, with the big one being a herald on a juggernaut...
It's hard to tell if they would be appropriately sized, though..
In regards to future releases, we know Beastclaw Hunters are getting a rebox release relatively soon because of the names in the GHB (though if this comes with other Ogors we don't know). The All-Gates campaign book has "TZEENTCH IS COMING" written all over it, plus other rumors including SadPanda so we can effectively guarantee that's coming. The aforementioned campaign book definitely has leads in regards to Shadowkin, whatever the light-aeves will be, and Nagash planning things. I'd say death is very likely to get a battletome release (even if it's just a reboxing like Flesh-Eaters) because of the plot hooks and because it will be extremely underrepresented as a Grand Alliance if it doesn't.
Anyone know if there is going to be an update of the Skaven Pestilence book? They were before the GH and so if i stand correct don´t have any bonuses to a specific allegiance except for chaos.
Anyways, are there any rumor about the other clans?
And what are the Shadowkin?
Aexae wrote: Anyone know if there is going to be an update of the Skaven Pestilence book? They were before the GH and so if i stand correct don´t have any bonuses to a specific allegiance except for chaos. Anyways, are there any rumor about the other clans? And what are the Shadowkin?
Aexae wrote: Anyone know if there is going to be an update of the Skaven Pestilence book? They were before the GH and so if i stand correct don´t have any bonuses to a specific allegiance except for chaos.
Anyways, are there any rumor about the other clans?
And what are the Shadowkin?
Aexae wrote: Anyone know if there is going to be an update of the Skaven Pestilence book? They were before the GH and so if i stand correct don´t have any bonuses to a specific allegiance except for chaos.
Anyways, are there any rumor about the other clans?
And what are the Shadowkin?
EDIT: Aexae triple A post. OK
Shadowkin are Aelfs I believe.
Dark Aelfs specifically.
Well.................
No, we can't say they're "Dark Aelves specifically".
All that is known about the Shadowkin?
A) Dwell in the Realm of Shadow("Ulgu")
B) Have ties to the Caengan Fyreslayer lodge within that Realm; the Caengan lodge have learned the "subtle ways of battle" from the Shroudling Kings while forming pacts with the Shadowkin. They have close enough ties that the Caengan will daub their faces and beards in soot both as camouflage and as a mark of honour to the Shadowkin.
C) Venerate Malerion(Malekith was somehow merged with his dragon, Seraphon, during the Time of Chaos) as a deity with Morathi as his high priestess.
D) The Mistweaver and Tenebrael Shard from Silver Tower are both Shadowkin.
E) There exist a group called "The Shroudling Kings" which are subservient to Malerion.
There is nothing suggesting that they're JUST Dark Aelves, but given that they are a new faction that we just don't have any information regarding it's a bit premature to call them any one thing.
Shadowkin are Aelves who dwell in the Realm of Shadow with some having the ability to 'shadow walk'(Tenebrael Shards) and some mages who can use the mists to confuse and bedazzle their foes(Mistweavers). They engage in guerilla warfare against the Slaanesh forces within the Realm of Shadow and form pacts with the Fyreslayers in that Realm. They have a god called Malerion(formerly Malekith) and his priestess is Morathi. The Shadowkin are ruled by the Shroudling Kings.
ImAGeek wrote: Not necessarily Dark Aelves specifically then I imagine they'll be most similar to dark elves though.
Maybe. Maybe not.
Nothing about the stuff we've been shown suggests that they're cruel for cruelty's sake like the Dark Elves were. The Tenebrael Shards, for example, aren't just murderers because "woot! MUUUUUUURDEEER!" like the Khainite Assassins were(and still are, thanks to the Shadowblades).
Remember though that Dark Aelves? They still exist. They're in Order.
I meant more aesthetically than anything else. The Tenebrael Shard was pretty close to what a male Witch Elf would be, and the Mistweaver Saith could just be a Sorceress. If they're anything to go by, looks wise, they'll be more similar to the dark elves than wood or high elves.
hmm id say the mist weaver has a high elf feel imo just one suited to this shadowkin with the cresent icons and such. where as like you said tenebrael shard is very much a male witch elf
ImAGeek wrote: I meant more aesthetically than anything else. The Tenebrael Shard was pretty close to what a male Witch Elf would be, and the Mistweaver Saith could just be a Sorceress. If they're anything to go by, looks wise, they'll be more similar to the dark elves than wood or high elves.
Truthfully?
I think you're better off ignoring the design motifs of existing things with regards to the Shadowkin. Yes, the Tenebrael Shard is "pretty close to what a male Witch Elf would be"...but he's also pretty close to what a Wardancer was. A force of nature, slaying in an almost artistic fashion.
In any case--Witch Aelves are still around.
The Tenebrael Shard is something new. The Mistweaver is something new. The Shadowkin are something new--but the rune we've seen associated with them in a few spots is remarkably similar to the rune "Arhain" which was associated with Loec the Elven trickster god of dance and trickery...and night, shadows, and vengeance. Loec, like the rest of the Elf pantheon, is seemingly dead--but he occupied a role not unlike that of Malerion and Tyrion; saving Aelf souls from the Chaos Gods.
Also worth noting that if you were to break down associations with the old Elf pantheon?
Mistweaver: Crescent moons tied to Lileath, goddess of sorcery and fortune/luck, who sacrificed herself to create a safe haven for the Elves during the End Times. The haven was destroyed but we don't know what happened to her daughter or Araloth for that matter.
Raven skull tied to Morai-Heg, "The Crone", a deity who was considered neither good nor evil by all of the Elves. She was a key deity for the Naggarythe Elves that didn't turn with Malekith against the Phoenix Throne.
Tenebrael Shard: Crescent moons(one of the design notes about the Shard made it clear that his bladed parts being crescents was not an accident) on his armblades and on the chains from his flesh, again tying back to Lileath.
Raven skull, again tying to Morai-Heg.
There's also what looks like an "Arhain" rune painted on both of the raven skulls.
Dark/High/Wood Elves are just a carried-over aesthetic now. Fluff wise they do not exist at all. The new factions are the divisions between Aelves, not the old army books.
NinthMusketeer wrote: Dark/High/Wood Elves are just a carried-over aesthetic now. Fluff wise they do not exist at all. The new factions are the divisions between Aelves, not the old army books.
Wellllllllllll, that's not strictly true.
High Elves, Dark Elves, and Wood Elves still exist--it's just that at this point their civilizations are a myth.
The Wanderers and the Sylvaneth both have myths about "The Guardians" who a long time ago guarded the Sylvaneth while they slumbered during the winter months. The Enchanted Blades of the Tree-Revenants are made in memory of those Guardians. That those blades happen to match the design of an Eternal Guard champion's sword is not just coincidence.
The High and Dark Elves are the closest thing to an "intact" Old World race--mostly because they both already had distinct divisions within their faction relating to their armies.
It would not surprise me if the darkling covens or the phoenix temple join with the new Aelves.
Considering the pheonix temple have their own city so they will be relevant in the fluff again at some point. Like the ghouls they mixed the beast of the grave's faction into flesh eaters I suspect the same thing may happen again.
shinros wrote: It would not surprise me if the darkling covens or the phoenix temple join with the new Aelves.
Considering the pheonix temple have their own city so they will be relevant in the fluff again at some point. Like the ghouls they mixed the beast of the grave's faction into flesh eaters I suspect the same thing may happen again.
I hope the Phoenix Temple get some new stuff. It seems they are getting more attention.
NinthMusketeer wrote: Dark/High/Wood Elves are just a carried-over aesthetic now. Fluff wise they do not exist at all. The new factions are the divisions between Aelves, not the old army books.
Wellllllllllll, that's not strictly true.
High Elves, Dark Elves, and Wood Elves still exist--it's just that at this point their civilizations are a myth.
The Wanderers and the Sylvaneth both have myths about "The Guardians" who a long time ago guarded the Sylvaneth while they slumbered during the winter months. The Enchanted Blades of the Tree-Revenants are made in memory of those Guardians. That those blades happen to match the design of an Eternal Guard champion's sword is not just coincidence.
The High and Dark Elves are the closest thing to an "intact" Old World race--mostly because they both already had distinct divisions within their faction relating to their armies.
You do know this is all made up and subject to change at any point? I mean, it's literally a bloke in Nottingham just imagining things and giving it to his manager for approval. They can do whatever they want with it!
NinthMusketeer wrote: Dark/High/Wood Elves are just a carried-over aesthetic now. Fluff wise they do not exist at all. The new factions are the divisions between Aelves, not the old army books.
Wellllllllllll, that's not strictly true.
High Elves, Dark Elves, and Wood Elves still exist--it's just that at this point their civilizations are a myth.
The Wanderers and the Sylvaneth both have myths about "The Guardians" who a long time ago guarded the Sylvaneth while they slumbered during the winter months. The Enchanted Blades of the Tree-Revenants are made in memory of those Guardians. That those blades happen to match the design of an Eternal Guard champion's sword is not just coincidence.
The High and Dark Elves are the closest thing to an "intact" Old World race--mostly because they both already had distinct divisions within their faction relating to their armies.
You do know this is all made up and subject to change at any point? I mean, it's literally a bloke in Nottingham just imagining things and giving it to his manager for approval. They can do whatever they want with it!
NinthMusketeer wrote: Dark/High/Wood Elves are just a carried-over aesthetic now. Fluff wise they do not exist at all. The new factions are the divisions between Aelves, not the old army books.
Wellllllllllll, that's not strictly true.
High Elves, Dark Elves, and Wood Elves still exist--it's just that at this point their civilizations are a myth.
The Wanderers and the Sylvaneth both have myths about "The Guardians" who a long time ago guarded the Sylvaneth while they slumbered during the winter months. The Enchanted Blades of the Tree-Revenants are made in memory of those Guardians. That those blades happen to match the design of an Eternal Guard champion's sword is not just coincidence.
The High and Dark Elves are the closest thing to an "intact" Old World race--mostly because they both already had distinct divisions within their faction relating to their armies.
Ah, yes. I didn't mean to say they were ret-conned, but in retrospect I didn't word that very clearly. I agree they very much exist in a historical context within the fluff.
In conclusion, the shadowkin is neither this or that kind of Aelf, they are more in a grey zone, so to speak.
Seriously though, I wonder if they dare include shadow warriors to the shadowkin, due to their previous hatred for old dark elfs.
Did they sort out their dislikes during end times?
I'm pretty sure the fluff around the existing Elf ranges (as well as the Empire and traditional Dwarfs) is just GW throwing us a bone to keep players with existing armies happy. Bittersweet as I am an "Empire" player.
If the old Pheonix Guard is fleshed out into a new faction as the campaign suggests they might, I will happily eat my own words, but right now I don't imagine a single Dark Elf to be used in the Shadowkin, just like none of the elves from the Wood Elf range were used in the Sylvaneth faction.
Bottle wrote: I'm pretty sure the fluff around the existing Elf ranges (as well as the Empire and traditional Dwarfs) is just GW throwing us a bone to keep players with existing armies happy. Bittersweet as I am an "Empire" player.
If the old Pheonix Guard is fleshed out into a new faction as the campaign suggests they might, I will happily eat my own words, but right now I don't imagine a single Dark Elf to be used in the Shadowkin, just like none of the elves from the Wood Elf range were used in the Sylvaneth faction.
Wood Elfs have specifically been broken out into their own faction though. We've seen lots of old models integrated into new factions as well.
The text for the Realm of Battle board gives a hint for the 'Start Collecting!' sets:
Welcome to this week's issue of White Dwarf! On the cover you'll see the familiar sight of Stormcast Eternals battling Khorne Bloodbound (actually part of two great new Start Collecting! sets...
I am going to guess Ironjaws, Bonesplitterz and Sylvaneth for the other 3. I would prob impulse buy a Bonezplitterz and Sylvaneth one if it had both a Treelord and Hunters in.
unmercifulconker wrote: I am going to guess Ironjaws, Bonesplitterz and Sylvaneth for the other 3. I would prob impulse buy a Bonezplitterz and Sylvaneth one if it had both a Treelord and Hunters in.
Wow, Sylvaneth with Tree Lord and Hunters would probably get me to buy two immediately if they're priced like the usual "Start Collecting" boxes... Ditto for Ironjaws if they get some Gore Gruntas, some Brute, and some Ard Boys all for $85US.
Sylvaneth and Ironjaws, i'll take it! Actually throw in the Flesh-courts, I absolutely loved the Battletome, awesome fluff. Well now that you're at it I'll take all the base kits. Oh wait, is that a new Battletome too? Well why don't I just hand my wallet over?
Edit: Woops haha removed list.
Oh Ironjaws get a chanter, 3 gruntas and 10 black orcs, guess i'll swerve that one, was hoping for some brutes, just cant look at the normal orcs now since the brutes have been lifting more.
Oooooh... very interesting. The Ironjaws contents might have me rethink my future AoS plans... and a Flesh-Eater Courts box might help me flesh out my options (currently own two of that amazing Count Vlagorescu's big-box).
ImAGeek wrote: I'll probably get a Sylvaneth and Flesh Eater Courts depending on the contents.
I would pretty confidently guess that the Flesh Eater Courts box will be 1 Terrorgeist kit, 3 Crypt Horrors, and 10 Crypt Ghouls. If they price that at the typical $85US, its a pretty terrific deal.
Monly in the War of Sigmar comments section wrote:Orruks will get a chanter, 3 gruntas and 10 black orcs. Stormcast will get a lord on foot, 5 liberators, 2 retributors and 3 winged stormcast
Saw the Orruk contents mentioned already, but the Stormcast contents are pretty sweet too.
ImAGeek wrote: I'll probably get a Sylvaneth and Flesh Eater Courts depending on the contents.
I would pretty confidently guess that the Flesh Eater Courts box will be 1 Terrorgeist kit, 3 Crypt Horrors, and 10 Crypt Ghouls. If they price that at the typical $85US, its a pretty terrific deal.
I would probably buy 3 of them if they ever happen.
There is however the intriguing "Dominion of Chaos" battletome.
I hope it's something that gives Lores and Artifacts to the different Chaos gods like Sylvaneth got for their spells. Tzeentch desperately wants more spells now that everyone is using the Rule of One.
We know the Stormcast(2 Retributors, 5 Liberators, 3 Prosecutors, and a lord on foot) and Ironjawz(War Chanter, 3 Gore Gruntas, and 10 Black Orcs).
Stormcast looks to be bringing two of the new "quick to assemble" sets(Retributors and Liberators) and two normal sets(Prosecutors and the Lord on Foot).
Monly in the War of Sigmar comments section wrote:Orruks will get a chanter, 3 gruntas and 10 black orcs. Stormcast will get a lord on foot, 5 liberators, 2 retributors and 3 winged stormcast
Saw the Orruk contents mentioned already, but the Stormcast contents are pretty sweet too.
Ick. That Orruk box definitely isn't one of those "Start Collecting" boxes one will be getting too many multiples of. The Chanter is an odd inclusion.
That Stormcast one seems like just the ticket. Means I can have a unit of 5 Retributors and build my other box as 5 Decimators (axes) or Protectors(glaives). Sweet. Then the Prosecutors, Liberators and Lord/Hero(I'm assuming Lord Celestant on foot/Lord Castellant) can be used to bulk up my forces.
The Ironjawz one makes sense. Your 10 Ardboyz give you a pretty decent start compared to 5 Brutes.
The War Chanter is actually quite badass and gives your Orruks some nice buffs in combat. An Ironjawz unit within 10" of the warchanter adds 1 to all of their 'to hit' rolls for the combat phase. The Ardboyz Boss adds that as well. Their drummers add 2 to the charge distance and their standard bearer can add 2 to their bravery. Or make them ignore battleshock on a 6.
I'm currently trying to find a way to get a mage in my Stormcast list. Ran a team game with Sylv and had the Liberators with Mystic Shield... OMG. Unit of 15 lasted all game long.
Imateria wrote: The Ironjawz set is unusual, why 10 Ardboyz when they're sold in bosex of 15?
Why not?
A number of get starting boxes sell less than the single box size: Chaos knights 5 vs 10 and warriors 12 vs 16, saurus 12 vs 20 etc.
10 is the minimum unit size so it makes sense as a starting size, they are basically free so no reason for GW to throw in extra sprues, and I expect people will get the box for the Gruntas which are only £2 less than the box price on their own.
@Uriels_Flame, That's why a pure Stormcast army is so magic lacking.
Bottle wrote: I'm pretty sure the fluff around the existing Elf ranges (as well as the Empire and traditional Dwarfs) is just GW throwing us a bone to keep players with existing armies happy. Bittersweet as I am an "Empire" player.
If the old Pheonix Guard is fleshed out into a new faction as the campaign suggests they might, I will happily eat my own words, but right now I don't imagine a single Dark Elf to be used in the Shadowkin, just like none of the elves from the Wood Elf range were used in the Sylvaneth faction.
We'll have to wait and see what happens but I'm betting on all the old factions sticking around and becoming what Orruks are to Ironjaws. (So Shadowkin will be assassin elites with Exiles (dark elves) filling out the ranks.)
Empire is my only concern but who knows what they plan with the Free People.
About the releases, my only gripe is that I was hoping the Fyreslayers got thrown a bone with new Starter sets. Though with two Order ones among the five I can see that would've unbalanced things.
Imateria wrote: The Ironjawz set is unusual, why 10 Ardboyz when they're sold in bosex of 15?
Why not?
A number of get starting boxes sell less than the single box size: Chaos knights 5 vs 10 and warriors 12 vs 16, saurus 12 vs 20 etc.
10 is the minimum unit size so it makes sense as a starting size, they are basically free so no reason for GW to throw in extra sprues, and I expect people will get the box for the Gruntas which are only £2 less than the box price on their own.
Ten models is what was in the WHFB Black Orc box as well.
Those Stormcast are NOT starter box guys. There is a Prosecutor and a Liberator with a special weapon, those don't come in the starter. These are full kits.
Definitely getting one or two of the Sylvaneth boxes. Stormcast is decent enough but like the easy to build set I would have vastly preferred the other starter Retributor instead of the Prime.
Mymearan wrote: Those Stormcast are NOT starter box guys. There is a Prosecutor and a Liberator with a special weapon, those don't come in the starter. These are full kits.
I think the Retributors are the starter ones though, specifically the 2 from the easy to build kit thing of them out this Saturday.
Might we finally see the first corrupted stormcast and what happens to manny? Plus moar nagash is always welcome.
Hmm battletome Dominion of chaos?
Faeit has pictures of the start collecting. The ghoul box has a unit of 10-20 ghouls(can't tell most likely 10) 3 crypt horrors and the zombie dragon box.
angelofvengeance wrote: That Stormcast one seems like just the ticket. Means I can have a unit of 5 Retributors and build my other box as 5 Decimators (axes) or Protectors(glaives). Sweet. Then the Prosecutors, Liberators and Lord/Hero(I'm assuming Lord Celestant on foot/Lord Castellant) can be used to bulk up my forces.
The Ironjawz one makes sense. Your 10 Ardboyz give you a pretty decent start compared to 5 Brutes.
The War Chanter is actually quite badass and gives your Orruks some nice buffs in combat. An Ironjawz unit within 10" of the warchanter adds 1 to all of their 'to hit' rolls for the combat phase. The Ardboyz Boss adds that as well. Their drummers add 2 to the charge distance and their standard bearer can add 2 to their bravery. Or make them ignore battleshock on a 6.
Mhm, I've ended up using Warchanters over Weirdnob shamans as support characters now (especially with the rule of one's) since you are guaranteed a +1 to hit which is crazy good for all Ironjawz units. Ardboyz suddenly start hitting as often as other elite troops, while the brutes and megaboss absolutely destroy units when hitting on 2's (especially for brutes since they get the re-rolls to hit on top of that if they're facing the big stuff, which they should be). I've recently got the warchanter model so it's a little less attractive but I'll probably end up getting it anyways and converting the other Warchanter to be less air-traffic control like than the bog standard one.
Ardboys themselves are really important if you ever edge towards using Weirdnob shamans since they give them the bodies they need to get those bonuses to casting, and act as the anvils to the brutes' hammers. They are surprisingly difficult to move with 2W each and 4+ save (even more so if you manage to get mystic shield off) and really provide a solid battleline. The best part is their damage output is consistent unlike most other Orruk units which rely on a set number to really start laying the hurt.
That Start Collecting! Stormcast Eternals isn't bad, but not great either. £95 worth of models for £50. Wouldn't have minded a bit more bang for my buck though.
Liking the Bloodbound one. Blood Warriors and Skullcrushers are solid unit choice. I can use more Blood Warriors and I've been planning on getting Skullcrushers. The hero choice looks like one I don't have and isn't part of the Gorechosen board which also contains a lot of heroes I don't own.
durecellrabbit wrote: Liking the Bloodbound one. Blood Warriors and Skullcrushers are solid unit choice. I can use more Blood Warriors and I've been planning on getting Skullcrushers. The hero choice looks like one I don't have and isn't part of the Gorechosen board which also contains a lot of heroes I don't own.
The only thing holding me back on the Start Collecting for Bloodbound was the Slaughter Priest being redundant with Gorechosen. But now, I see that they are different.
angelofvengeance wrote: That Start Collecting! Stormcast Eternals isn't bad, but not great either. £95 worth of models for £50. Wouldn't have minded a bit more bang for my buck though.
What! This is the steepest discount on a start collecting box yet! Only the tau set comes close (£93 individually.)
angelofvengeance wrote: That Start Collecting! Stormcast Eternals isn't bad, but not great either. £95 worth of models for £50. Wouldn't have minded a bit more bang for my buck though.
What! This is the steepest discount on a start collecting box yet! Only the tau set comes close (£93 individually.)
angelofvengeance wrote: That Start Collecting! Stormcast Eternals isn't bad, but not great either. £95 worth of models for £50. Wouldn't have minded a bit more bang for my buck though.
What! This is the steepest discount on a start collecting box yet! Only the tau set comes close (£93 individually.)
The seraphon box says hi
Forgot Seraphon, also £93 individually. Edit only 12 warriors £84 individually.
Sammoth wrote: Is it just me ? I think those GW bases are Terrible.
I agree with you, compared to the 40k ones these feel a bit odd like less thought was put into them besides riding along because they did with 40k.
I kinda think they're neat but would have used them for my Warhammer Quest models' bases.
Wish they'd come out with the Silver Tower release. No way in the world I'm rebasing all those painted models.
Yes £23 for 20 warriors and £20 for 8 cavalry. I don't like either set of models very much but they are a good deal by Gw standards.
Gw have done 32 discounted bundles so far this year. This is a very good trend I hope to see continue.
I like the basing kit, but only for certain models. They seem to work well with Seraphon, and would also work well with Tzeentch and a few others. They would work VERY well with Silver Tower so I might do that when I pick up the set.
Actually I think if the whole base was drybrushed grey stone, with a balck rim and snow on top, it would look AMAZING. Might do that for a future army...
Lord Celestant Clam pack
Liberator multi part box set
Prosecutors mutli part box set
The "Easy To Build" Retributors sprue.
That makes sense, the Retributors round out the unit from the AOS boxed set and you can arm your Liberators/Prosecutors differently as well. Ideally I would have liked a unit of Judicators in there, but it is a pretty fair set. It also brings the price of the miniatures down to a far better £/$ per model. At a FLGS price of £40 odd I will certainly be investing in one.
Am interested to see the warscrolls for the Fell Chasm and Arcanabulumsections of the new realm of battle board.
angelofvengeance wrote: Yeah, my Stormcast could do with being more shooty but the Prosecutors don't do a bad job to be fair. I'll paint what I've got first though. I will
prosecutors with javelins can be pretty pew-pew AND still very fast AND fly.
Judicators are better, but javelin pros are quite ok.
Having a distinct lack of GW undead and being a fan of the bigger monsters, I may get that set too.
Just a note:
That set is $180.
The Start Collecting Flesh-Eaters and that would basically be a good starting point for an army.
I was wanting to do the same thing with SC Slaves to Darkness and Lord Heldrath's Chaos Deathtide, but the Deathtide seems to be completely out of production now. Can't even seem to find one on Amazon or eBay these days.
I have been in three GW stores recently that still have the Deathtide box, a lot of times the high retail price items tend to stick around in stores. Whether that is the case in the US, or more pertinently if you have a GW store near to you, is another matter. Maybe phone around and see if you can pick one up locally?
The bases look a little odd to me, but like the 40k equivalents they are a very fair retail price when compared to vanilla GW bases or more boutique options.
Having a distinct lack of GW undead and being a fan of the bigger monsters, I may get that set too.
Just a note:
That set is $180.
The Start Collecting Flesh-Eaters and that would basically be a good starting point for an army.
I was wanting to do the same thing with SC Slaves to Darkness and Lord Heldrath's Chaos Deathtide, but the Deathtide seems to be completely out of production now. Can't even seem to find one on Amazon or eBay these days.
That is correct; it's No Longer Available.
It couldn't hurt, if you have one near you, to check a GW shop. Sometimes the managers will offer to call around to the other shops and try to get one for you that way.
Yes £23 for 20 warriors and £20 for 8 cavalry. I don't like either set of models very much but they are a good deal by Gw standards.
Gw have done 32 discounted bundles so far this year. This is a very good trend I hope to see continue.
They're quite old models (July 2005 for the cavalry, May 2003 for the warriors).
The sets with all recent models are nice because they are all generally nicer models but they contain less regardless of technical savings (as kit prices have inflated).
Wow, that came about fast. I don't think there was anything extra in the GHB besides the Beastclaw and Bonesplitterz and they will both be released before the GHB.
I wonder how the points values will come for the next update after that. Be it in the battletome, in the app or elsewhere.
Bottle wrote: Wow, that came about fast. I don't think there was anything extra in the GHB besides the Beastclaw and Bonesplitterz and they will both be released before the GHB.
Actually that would be this week's preorders, so they won't come out until next week (July 30th) a week after the General's Handbook.
The only kit that can be repacked with more models are the plastic Mournfang Cavalry. Everything else is either metal/resin (Hunter, Sabertusks and Yhetees) or Behemoths (Thundertusk and Stonehorn, which are currently sold out on the US web store).
Hopefully they'll be repacks where we get more figures for a little bit of a cost increase.
Only getting a handful of Ogres always stung when everyone else gets piles and piles of figures for the same price.
Of course, I can actually get an Ogre army painted since I can count them all on my fingers, but still...
I wonder what a start collecting box of Ogres would look like? Since they all use the same body, it could be interesting what parts end up in there.
If I had to guess... A Tyrant, six Warriors, and a Stonetusk/Thundertusk. Its the only way to keep in line with the other boxes structures/pricing, without having a box with literally five models in it. :-p
Hopefully they'll be repacks where we get more figures for a little bit of a cost increase.
Only getting a handful of Ogres always stung when everyone else gets piles and piles of figures for the same price.
Of course, I can actually get an Ogre army painted since I can count them all on my fingers, but still...
I wonder what a start collecting box of Ogres would look like? Since they all use the same body, it could be interesting what parts end up in there.
If I had to guess... A Tyrant, six Warriors, and a Stonetusk/Thundertusk. Its the only way to keep in line with the other boxes structures/pricing, without having a box with literally five models in it. :-p
I wouldn't count on a tyrant in the box. Do any "Start Collecting" boxes have finecast models in them? I also wouldn't expect them to mix factions in a start collecting box, so more likely a "Start collecting: Beastclaw Raiders" box would be Thundertusk/Stonehorn and Mournfangs (plus maybe one of the new heroes, if there is a new model associated with it?)
Hopefully they'll be repacks where we get more figures for a little bit of a cost increase.
Only getting a handful of Ogres always stung when everyone else gets piles and piles of figures for the same price.
Of course, I can actually get an Ogre army painted since I can count them all on my fingers, but still...
I wonder what a start collecting box of Ogres would look like? Since they all use the same body, it could be interesting what parts end up in there.
If I had to guess... A Tyrant, six Warriors, and a Stonetusk/Thundertusk. Its the only way to keep in line with the other boxes structures/pricing, without having a box with literally five models in it. :-p
The problem with that is you're mixing factions (Gutbusters and Beastclaw Raiders). Have any of the 'Start Collecting!' boxes ever mixed factions before?
Hopefully they'll be repacks where we get more figures for a little bit of a cost increase.
Only getting a handful of Ogres always stung when everyone else gets piles and piles of figures for the same price.
Of course, I can actually get an Ogre army painted since I can count them all on my fingers, but still...
I wonder what a start collecting box of Ogres would look like? Since they all use the same body, it could be interesting what parts end up in there.
If I had to guess... A Tyrant, six Warriors, and a Stonetusk/Thundertusk. Its the only way to keep in line with the other boxes structures/pricing, without having a box with literally five models in it. :-p
The problem with that is you're mixing factions (Gutbusters and Beastclaw Raiders). Have any of the 'Start Collecting!' boxes ever mixed factions before?
Not for Age of Sigmar as far as I know, but in 40k they had a mixed faction box.
Hopefully they'll be repacks where we get more figures for a little bit of a cost increase.
Only getting a handful of Ogres always stung when everyone else gets piles and piles of figures for the same price.
Of course, I can actually get an Ogre army painted since I can count them all on my fingers, but still...
I wonder what a start collecting box of Ogres would look like? Since they all use the same body, it could be interesting what parts end up in there.
If I had to guess... A Tyrant, six Warriors, and a Stonetusk/Thundertusk. Its the only way to keep in line with the other boxes structures/pricing, without having a box with literally five models in it. :-p
The problem with that is you're mixing factions (Gutbusters and Beastclaw Raiders). Have any of the 'Start Collecting!' boxes ever mixed factions before?
Not for Age of Sigmar as far as I know, but in 40k they had a mixed faction box.
highlord tamburlaine wrote: Only problem is there's never been an ogre hero in plastic, as far as I can remember.
Unless GW want to go and plasticize the Tyrant model, which I'm sure many wouldn't mind...
A Stonehorn and a pack of 4 Mournfangs a la the Eldar set wouldn't be a bad deal.
There'll be 2 Stonehorn hero options and 2 Thundertusk hero options in the Beastclaw Raiders Battletome, so I expect GW will simply re-purpose the existing bits from the Thundertusk/Stonehorn kit to make the heroes, something similar to what they did with the Flesh-eater Courts release. New warscrolls out of the existing models
Hopefully they'll be repacks where we get more figures for a little bit of a cost increase.
Only getting a handful of Ogres always stung when everyone else gets piles and piles of figures for the same price.
Of course, I can actually get an Ogre army painted since I can count them all on my fingers, but still...
I wonder what a start collecting box of Ogres would look like? Since they all use the same body, it could be interesting what parts end up in there.
If I had to guess... A Tyrant, six Warriors, and a Stonetusk/Thundertusk. Its the only way to keep in line with the other boxes structures/pricing, without having a box with literally five models in it. :-p
The problem with that is you're mixing factions (Gutbusters and Beastclaw Raiders). Have any of the 'Start Collecting!' boxes ever mixed factions before?
Not for Age of Sigmar as far as I know, but in 40k they had a mixed faction box.
I haven't noticed it. Which is that?
Skitarii includes a Techpriest Dominus; which is Cult Mechanicus.
Hopefully they'll be repacks where we get more figures for a little bit of a cost increase.
Only getting a handful of Ogres always stung when everyone else gets piles and piles of figures for the same price.
Of course, I can actually get an Ogre army painted since I can count them all on my fingers, but still...
I wonder what a start collecting box of Ogres would look like? Since they all use the same body, it could be interesting what parts end up in there.
If I had to guess... A Tyrant, six Warriors, and a Stonetusk/Thundertusk. Its the only way to keep in line with the other boxes structures/pricing, without having a box with literally five models in it. :-p
Tyrants are finecast though so they wouldn't be in there.
I've been trying to get more Dryads and Treelords for my just started Sylvaneth army for a couple weeks now, though with the stage of where we're at, that Start Collecting box won't be out before the summer campaign ends, will it?
My decision to not expand my Tomb Kings into Flesh Eater Courts is proving more difficult to maintain by the day. Must be strong! Must buy MOAR SKELETONS, and hold out hope for more boney goodness down the line!
I rebased my Bone Giant recently. He's pretty small, these days. I wonder if 'undead monster' is a concept that we'll see expanded soon.
Hulksmash wrote: Tempted by a single sylvan boxes and one flesheater court one to round out my two 180 boxes.
Good lord. I worked out that the $180 Flesh-Eater box set was around 1400 point, adding a second one and a Get Started box has to be pushing at least 3000 points. Are people actually playing AoS at that point level?
Hulksmash wrote: Tempted by a single sylvan boxes and one flesheater court one to round out my two 180 boxes.
Good lord. I worked out that the $180 Flesh-Eater box set was around 1400 point, adding a second one and a Get Started box has to be pushing at least 3000 points. Are people actually playing AoS at that point level?
Yes. I played a 7hr mega battle at 8000pts (4k vs 4k Nurgle v SC/Sylv).
I thoroughly enjoyed it. Long yes - but time wasnt' wasted over rules but just moving that many models
Charles Rampant wrote: My decision to not expand my Tomb Kings into Flesh Eater Courts is proving more difficult to maintain by the day. Must be strong! Must buy MOAR SKELETONS, and hold out hope for more boney goodness down the line!
One of the novels(I can't remember which; I had this described to me rather than reading it--my reading queue is big enough without adding a whole new series to it) for AoS actually talks about chariots and Undead in one of the Realms.
I rebased my Bone Giant recently. He's pretty small, these days. I wonder if 'undead monster' is a concept that we'll see expanded soon.
I would be surprised if it wasn't whenever Necromancers or Nagash get their own book.
Charles Rampant wrote: My decision to not expand my Tomb Kings into Flesh Eater Courts is proving more difficult to maintain by the day. Must be strong! Must buy MOAR SKELETONS, and hold out hope for more boney goodness down the line!
I rebased my Bone Giant recently. He's pretty small, these days. I wonder if 'undead monster' is a concept that we'll see expanded soon.
For what its worth, both are my "main" armies for AoS, and they really play best on their own. The temptation to mix is there, but outside of borrowing the Screaming Skull Catapult(s) w/Necotect from TK's, Flesh-Eaters thrive on stacking their own internal buffing. Trust me... a horde of 40 Ghouls in a single unit, with 2 Vargulf's and 2 Ghoul Courtiers, providing, essentially 4d6 replenishments to that unit per turn, is GROSS, but requires a lot of focus in list-building.
Likewise, TKs want their Settra general and as many other TK heroes as possible to max out the "everybody gets to command trait!" ability on Settra. Then you stack buffs on a big unit of Chariots and literally roll over most opponents. :-p
Charles Rampant wrote: My decision to not expand my Tomb Kings into Flesh Eater Courts is proving more difficult to maintain by the day. Must be strong! Must buy MOAR SKELETONS, and hold out hope for more boney goodness down the line!
I rebased my Bone Giant recently. He's pretty small, these days. I wonder if 'undead monster' is a concept that we'll see expanded soon.
My toughts are that ghouls, being from arabic folklore, works quite well in tandem with Khemri armies. Think of them as tomb-dwellers who feast on trespassers and worship the ancient kings. Paint them dark, earthy colors, base them with some desert-themed stuff, and I think you'd be great. Only issue are the big models such as the terrorgheist and such, but I think those can work as well. Do remember a Conan the Barbarian comic involving a city in the desert and a cult worshipping a giant demonic bat...
Charles Rampant wrote: My decision to not expand my Tomb Kings into Flesh Eater Courts is proving more difficult to maintain by the day. Must be strong! Must buy MOAR SKELETONS, and hold out hope for more boney goodness down the line!
One of the novels(I can't remember which; I had this described to me rather than reading it--my reading queue is big enough without adding a whole new series to it) for AoS actually talks about chariots and Undead in one of the Realms.
I rebased my Bone Giant recently. He's pretty small, these days. I wonder if 'undead monster' is a concept that we'll see expanded soon.
I would be surprised if it wasn't whenever Necromancers or Nagash get their own book.
There's also a pair of Necrosphinx in the Call of Archaon novel (explicitly called as such and everything). There is at least some hope that Tomb Kings are not gone for good.
If the tournament scene continues with the "pools" system in the UK then 3000 points is a standard tournament army (albeit with 2000 points deployed only each game).
Bottle wrote: If the tournament scene continues with the "pools" system in the UK then 3000 points is a standard tournament army (albeit with 2000 points deployed only each game).
I like that people are embracing what is essentially sideboards. It's a good way to run games and keep the meta a bit looser.
Bottle wrote:If the tournament scene continues with the "pools" system in the UK then 3000 points is a standard tournament army (albeit with 2000 points deployed only each game).
I've found the sideboard thing less entertaining in practice than I thought. It is kind of annoying to have to use a calculator during deployment! In the last tournament, I just pre-wrote three lists, put all the required models for them into the pool, then selected a list at semi-random before each game. It worked well, but I wouldn't feel that sad if we reverted to straight 2k lists.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:For what its worth, both are my "main" armies for AoS, and they really play best on their own. The temptation to mix is there, but outside of borrowing the Screaming Skull Catapult(s) w/Necotect from TK's, Flesh-Eaters thrive on stacking their own internal buffing. Trust me... a horde of 40 Ghouls in a single unit, with 2 Vargulf's and 2 Ghoul Courtiers, providing, essentially 4d6 replenishments to that unit per turn, is GROSS, but requires a lot of focus in list-building.
Likewise, TKs want their Settra general and as many other TK heroes as possible to max out the "everybody gets to command trait!" ability on Settra. Then you stack buffs on a big unit of Chariots and literally roll over most opponents. :-p
You've said what I already suspected. I can do exceptionally well in AoS with my Tombies, and there is very little in the rest of the Death range that would really improve them; Settra + Necropolis Knights + Necrotect + Catapult + Catapult is basically the perfect army core for me. I've experimented successfully with a Vampire Lord (their command ability stacks very well indeed with the Snakes), and I hear that Settra is gross with Spirit Hosts, but otherwise it is hard to argue with just sticking to the Tombies. This has been my problem thus far; I'd like to expand, but it is hard to know what to, as I am generally going to do better by just putting another Warsphinx or Liche Priest into the list. So I'd be needing to do a major investment to get enough of another force for the synergies to really start stacking, and nothing at the moment offers much of what I want, despite my desperate desire for (especially ranged) Rend -2 or better.
I am painting Nagash though, on the theory that he'll work well with EVERYTHING in Death, thanks to his command ability; if I do go for Flesheaters, I'll possibly try to keep them as a reasonably self-contained 2k list by themselves, with colour-match to the Tombies in case of mega-game carnage.
Kanluwen wrote:
One of the novels(I can't remember which; I had this described to me rather than reading it--my reading queue is big enough without adding a whole new series to it) for AoS actually talks about chariots and Undead in one of the Realms.
I would not be surprised at all if GW re-released the Tomb Kings with new Ushabti and Chariots dual-kit boxes, in a very stripped back range with the Tomb Guard, Warsphinx and Necropolis Knight kits. But I imagine that they'll also be looking to build demand for them, thus letting them lie fallow for a time, and also working on other interesting AoS concepts such as Goblin clans, human wizards, and chaos wackiness. 40k and now AoS have shown that GW are very good at taking a fantasy or sci-fi concept and expanding it out into a half-dozen units and a few associated characters. In hindsight, the Tempestus Scions was the first wave of this new method.
Kanluwen wrote:I would be surprised if it wasn't whenever Necromancers or Nagash get their own book.
Battletome: Deathlords does seem like something that we should expect. Nagash, Mortarchs, Morghasts, and something other big to go along with them. The 'I don't want to carry more than ten models' army.
Here is what I suspect will happen with Death. Soul blight(the vampire curse has as name now ) book will have neferata and mannfred as characters and the deadwalkers(what can you do with them to make them their own faction and unique? Plus GW are adding spell lores, command trait's etc. They serve better in being added to another faction their whole description in the grand alliance book is about them being used by vampires as their troops and wight kings sometimes swallowing their pride to use zombies.) and death mages(too small to be it's own book IMO) will fold into the book, since they are going with the Dracula feel here with soul blight. Necromancer servant's(they are like their Igor's like the old world), zombie fodder, the wolves etc(Wolves fit like a glove imo and bats). Hopefully an elite vampire infantry unit. Plus a plastic vampire leader and plastic blood knights.
Death Rattle will be their own thing with Arkhan in it and perhaps Krell as well. Since the Mortarch of despair is mentioned in the grand alliance book I think, perhaps with a few new models.
Death lords book the nighthaunts will fold into the book considering all the bundles with nagash has Nighthaunt models only and if you get the malignants starting box they recommend you to get nagash and Arkhan next. It will have each mortarch in there and perhaps a Mortarch formation wit nagash and some Morghasts.
Then MAYBE a new tomb kings book.
GW have mixed factions before like the flesh eater courts got beasts of the grave mixed into their rules. This is my prediction.
I don't know if anyone's posted this yet, but there are like 5 new start collecting boxes coming out next weekend I believe They may announce it this saturday.. Theres a ghoul, stormcast, khorne (with bloodcrushers ) and a few others
Midnightdeathblade wrote: I don't know if anyone's posted this yet, but there are like 5 new start collecting boxes coming out next weekend I believe They may announce it this saturday.. Theres a ghoul, stormcast, khorne (with bloodcrushers ) and a few others
@Aov I think the idea is that the "Tomb Kings" miniature line has gone, but they could bring out a completely new model line as a new death faction based on desert skeletons in the future.
Same for Brets, would could expect a new knight army perhaps - but likely with a more fantastical spin.
@CharlesRampant consider a Terrorgiest as their scream attack works very well with the Screaming Skull Catapult due to Bravery shenanigans.
angelofvengeance wrote: @shinros: there won't be a TK book. That line has been pulled from production. They're just a legacy army now, no involvement in AoS fluff.
The thing putting that slightly in-question is that they do have minor mentions in the fluff. There's a blurb about skeletal chariot armies in one of the campaign books and the Call of Archaon novel has a pair of Necrosphinx in it.
I suspect the Call of Archaon books were written a good bit before GW decided to pull the plug on TK. Or they were only mentioned as a nod to the world that was.
The problem with that is you're mixing factions (Gutbusters and Beastclaw Raiders). Have any of the 'Start Collecting!' boxes ever mixed factions before?
The Admech one did. Yeah, I know - 40k, but it's still a precedent.
I'll probably pick up the AoS bases for one set of my Silver Tower models. For those of you who've put some time into WQ:ST - can you theoretically use more than 1 set worth of models (well, the spider-goblins, tzaangor, marauders) in a normal game in an "out of the box" situation? (like you can with boardgames like Zombicide)
angelofvengeance wrote: I suspect the Call of Archaon books were written a good bit before GW decided to pull the plug on TK. Or they were only mentioned as a nod to the world that was.
Let me put it like this:
There is stuff mentioned within these books and audiodramas that made no sense before it happened. One of the books/audiodramas purportedly described Dorghar months before Archaon came out.
Now, I've just been reading through this thread and have just been reminded of a rumour I heard from a friend of mine who now works in the management part of GWHQ up in Nottingham a number of months ago.
Now, please take this with a literal mountain of salt. But the rumour was that Tomb Kings were actually going to come back, but not as undead. But as actual living people again. They're supposed to become a proper human force in direct opposition to Nagash and his undead.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Now, I've just been reading through this thread and have just been reminded of a rumour I heard from a friend of mine who now works in the management part of GWHQ up in Nottingham a number of months ago.
Now, please take this with a literal mountain of salt. But the rumour was that Tomb Kings were actually going to come back, but not as undead. But as actual living people again. They're supposed to become a proper human force in direct opposition to Nagash and his undead.
See, I could kinda/sorta see this...but not as a "proper human force" but rather a mixture of the dead and the living. We had mentions back in the old Tomb Kings books of nomads living outside of Khemri who kept looters away or tried to hunt them down as they fled.
Hell, Vlad was considered a pretty okay ruler aside from the whole "creating the aristocracy of the night" thing. Why not set up the Tomb Kings as actual kings with mortal followers and soldiery?
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Now, I've just been reading through this thread and have just been reminded of a rumour I heard from a friend of mine who now works in the management part of GWHQ up in Nottingham a number of months ago.
Now, please take this with a literal mountain of salt. But the rumour was that Tomb Kings were actually going to come back, but not as undead. But as actual living people again. They're supposed to become a proper human force in direct opposition to Nagash and his undead.
See, I could kinda/sorta see this...but not as a "proper human force" but rather a mixture of the dead and the living. We had mentions back in the old Tomb Kings books of nomads living outside of Khemri who kept looters away or tried to hunt them down as they fled.
Hell, Vlad was considered a pretty okay ruler aside from the whole "creating the aristocracy of the night" thing. Why not set up the Tomb Kings as actual kings with mortal followers and soldiery?
Wait - Did Chris Fitzpatrick go back to work for GW??? We getting Wargods of Aegyptus line???
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Now, I've just been reading through this thread and have just been reminded of a rumour I heard from a friend of mine who now works in the management part of GWHQ up in Nottingham a number of months ago.
Now, please take this with a literal mountain of salt. But the rumour was that Tomb Kings were actually going to come back, but not as undead. But as actual living people again. They're supposed to become a proper human force in direct opposition to Nagash and his undead.
See, I could kinda/sorta see this...but not as a "proper human force" but rather a mixture of the dead and the living. We had mentions back in the old Tomb Kings books of nomads living outside of Khemri who kept looters away or tried to hunt them down as they fled.
Hell, Vlad was considered a pretty okay ruler aside from the whole "creating the aristocracy of the night" thing. Why not set up the Tomb Kings as actual kings with mortal followers and soldiery?
Wait - Did Chris Fitzpatrick go back to work for GW??? We getting Wargods of Aegyptus line???
DarkBlack wrote: They could be humans that build constructs out of bones and the like...
In terms of historical fluff this is how it started, actually. All of the constructs in the Tomb King army were made and animated while the people of Khemri were still alive, as well as being maintained in their undead state.
DarkBlack wrote: They could be humans that build constructs out of bones and the like...
In terms of historical fluff this is how it started, actually. All of the constructs in the Tomb King army were made and animated while the people of Khemri were still alive, as well as being maintained in their undead state.
Why bone though. It seems a poor construction material to me.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Now, I've just been reading through this thread and have just been reminded of a rumour I heard from a friend of mine who now works in the management part of GWHQ up in Nottingham a number of months ago.
Now, please take this with a literal mountain of salt. But the rumour was that Tomb Kings were actually going to come back, but not as undead. But as actual living people again. They're supposed to become a proper human force in direct opposition to Nagash and his undead.
See, I could kinda/sorta see this...but not as a "proper human force" but rather a mixture of the dead and the living. We had mentions back in the old Tomb Kings books of nomads living outside of Khemri who kept looters away or tried to hunt them down as they fled.
Hell, Vlad was considered a pretty okay ruler aside from the whole "creating the aristocracy of the night" thing. Why not set up the Tomb Kings as actual kings with mortal followers and soldiery?
Many vampires ruled over mortals in the world that was - some well - some..........less so - as far as i can tell from the realmgate wars books, Neferta still has the living and the dead serving her.
We might get Khalida back again in oposition to her ancient cousin and the Great Necromancer who she now serves (reluctantly) - any of that and your suggestions sound cool and could result in some great models
Just must ask a question about the Tomb King Alive rumour. Is there any idea that if it were true when it would be released? Day, Quarter of year, year?
The Green one wrote: Just must ask a question about the Tomb King Alive rumour. Is there any idea that if it were true when it would be released? Day, Quarter of year, year?
Not a clue. that's literally all i was told. if i was to take a guess, i can't imagine it would happen until the elves were done at the very least as it would need a complete new range.
The Green one wrote: Just must ask a question about the Tomb King Alive rumour. Is there any idea that if it were true when it would be released? Day, Quarter of year, year?
Not a clue. that's literally all i was told. if i was to take a guess, i can't imagine it would happen until the elves were done at the very least as it would need a complete new range.
Based on the rumors out right now and the supposed release schedule that was leaked a while back, I would expect anything before Q3 of next year. Maybe later. If at all.
Is it wrong that I lay awake at nights hoping that sad panda will come on here and surprise us with some new and exciting news? I find it weird that we have deathwatch, chaos, eldar and steampunk duardin all rumoured for September but nothing at all for August.
DarkBlack wrote: They could be humans that build constructs out of bones and the like...
In terms of historical fluff this is how it started, actually. All of the constructs in the Tomb King army were made and animated while the people of Khemri were still alive, as well as being maintained in their undead state.
Why bone though. It seems a poor construction material to me.
Chikout wrote: and steampunk duardin all rumoured for September but nothing at all for August.
I thought I saw a new rumour saying that the steampunk duradin is in fact dwarves for Age of Sigmar and someone got mistaken for what they actually were.
Haven't heard that rumor. Though with all the "Order has too many factions" debates going around I wouldn't mind a dispossessed expansion, or something similar, rather than a whole new faction.
Chikout wrote: Is it wrong that I lay awake at nights hoping that sad panda will come on here and surprise us with some new and exciting news? I find it weird that we have deathwatch, chaos, eldar and steampunk duardin all rumoured for September but nothing at all for August.
Haha, I know how you feel.
I remember the old "Bretonnians in April" rumors and how I stayed up until one a.m in the morning every week, watching the GW site for any updates.
I'm sure he'll pop up soon to give us something new to argue over and make theories about.
DarkBlack wrote: They could be humans that build constructs out of bones and the like...
In terms of historical fluff this is how it started, actually. All of the constructs in the Tomb King army were made and animated while the people of Khemri were still alive, as well as being maintained in their undead state.
Why bone though. It seems a poor construction material to me.
To keep existing models.
Haha, true.
I recall in the Gotrek and Felix novel that dealt with the Tomb Kings, there was one clan of kings that were master artificers and actually used new materials to replace damaged bones and structures.
I never considered living Tomb kings but with the Flesh-Eater court making ghouls alive again it certainly opens up possibilities.
With the "easy to build" Retributors why do you think they included the Retributor Prime sculpt (with lion pauldron and gauntlet thing) rather than just the two vanilla Retributors? Seems a bit counter intuitive.
With the "easy to build" Retributors why do you think they included the Retributor Prime sculpt (with lion pauldron and gauntlet thing) rather than just the two vanilla Retributors? Seems a bit counter intuitive.
Not really. If you're buying 2 boxes you can use one of the retributors to upgrade to a Prime.
Also, cheers for the pics. Nice of them to throw in a 250ml pot of base coat rather than the piddly 12ml pots lol.
I guess I am looking at it more as an upgrade to the 3 Retributors in the AOS starter set to make a unit of 5, so having two Prime sculpts in the unit of 5 seems a bit odd. Then again that is me looking at it from my point of view rather than the pocket money purchase for young gamers that the sets are probably intended to be.
Yeah, not sure how much the 12ml will cover the 6 ROB board sections, even when just used for dry brushing.
Since the generals handbook is officially out, did they add point totals to everything yet? If FW added points to theres I would assume items and battalions not listed in the handbook would be updated.
I still have no real idea how to use the scenery Warscrolls. They're not units and don't have points, can I bring them as part of the army? Or do we both just agree to put them down during setup? So annoying.
Requizen wrote: I still have no real idea how to use the scenery Warscrolls. They're not units and don't have points, can I bring them as part of the army? Or do we both just agree to put them down during setup? So annoying.
It seems like you just say "Hey I'd like to use these rules for the scenery". If both players agree, then the warscrolls are what you should be referring to instead of the random table.
Requizen wrote: I still have no real idea how to use the scenery Warscrolls. They're not units and don't have points, can I bring them as part of the army? Or do we both just agree to put them down during setup? So annoying.
It seems like you just say "Hey I'd like to use these rules for the scenery". If both players agree, then the warscrolls are what you should be referring to instead of the random table.
That's the impression I've been given at least.
Same. I figure they are for use in narrative/fun games and not really for "competitive" play (too random). I expect that is how TOs will likely go, now that a viable competitive play system is out.
I had a dream last night that GW unexpectedly revealed a Tomb Kings re-release with all updated models in order to compete with KoW's Empire of Dust release. It's a longshot, but it wouldn't be the first time one of me dreams ended up coming true.
Requizen wrote: I still have no real idea how to use the scenery Warscrolls. They're not units and don't have points, can I bring them as part of the army? Or do we both just agree to put them down during setup? So annoying.
If you use a certain piece of scenery, say a Numinous Occulum, use its scenery warscroll. No different than using a hill or wall, it just happens to have extra rules.
Holy crap those are big bottles of paint. The big one is like... 20 pots, lol. WAY, WAY more than I'd use on 6x4 worth of game boards, incidentally. About 5-6 pots of paint should do it...
On the other hand $40 for effectively 23 pots of paint, I guess, is good, as long as you'll use a lot of one of the mega-dose colors. I'm thinking about getting the one with Dyrad Bark, and using that instead of Rhinox as my main brown.
I don't think I use enough mechanicus standard grey to merit 250ml. Then again, maybe I could mix a bunch of it with mediums and make a big dropper bottle for a lifetime supply of airbrush grey
Or, maybe, buy the big bottles, split it into little bottles, and share with your friends?
Interesting that the bigger bottles are said to be "high-opacity liquid" as well. Will be interesting to see how the talented painters (such as you Talys) will put it to use.
Talys wrote: Holy crap those are big bottles of paint. The big one is like... 20 pots, lol. WAY, WAY more than I'd use on 6x4 worth of game boards, incidentally. About 5-6 pots of paint should do it...
On the other hand $40 for effectively 23 pots of paint, I guess, is good, as long as you'll use a lot of one of the mega-dose colors. I'm thinking about getting the one with Dyrad Bark, and using that instead of Rhinox as my main brown.
I don't think I use enough mechanicus standard grey to merit 250ml. Then again, maybe I could mix a bunch of it with mediums and make a big dropper bottle for a lifetime supply of airbrush grey
Or, maybe, buy the big bottles, split it into little bottles, and share with your friends?
Thinking outside the box eh?
I have to say, the new big bottles are really nice shapes, and don't look too frustrating to deal with either. Expecting them to make more of them, or sell 'em separately.
Requizen wrote: I still have no real idea how to use the scenery Warscrolls. They're not units and don't have points, can I bring them as part of the army? Or do we both just agree to put them down during setup? So annoying.
It seems like you just say "Hey I'd like to use these rules for the scenery". If both players agree, then the warscrolls are what you should be referring to instead of the random table.
That's the impression I've been given at least.
Same. I figure they are for use in narrative/fun games and not really for "competitive" play (too random). I expect that is how TOs will likely go, now that a viable competitive play system is out.
PPC (sig) has you covered to bring terrain warscrolls as part of your army. And the points are compatible with Matched Play.
Speaking of, I'll have to get my hands on that new battletome to see if they've modified any of the warscrolls like they did with the Wildwood in the Sylvaneth battletome.
Requizen wrote: I still have no real idea how to use the scenery Warscrolls. They're not units and don't have points, can I bring them as part of the army? Or do we both just agree to put them down during setup? So annoying.
It seems like you just say "Hey I'd like to use these rules for the scenery". If both players agree, then the warscrolls are what you should be referring to instead of the random table.
That's the impression I've been given at least.
Same. I figure they are for use in narrative/fun games and not really for "competitive" play (too random). I expect that is how TOs will likely go, now that a viable competitive play system is out.
PPC (sig) has you covered to bring terrain warscrolls as part of your army. And the points are compatible with Matched Play.
Speaking of, I'll have to get my hands on that new battletome to see if they've modified any of the warscrolls like they did with the Wildwood in the Sylvaneth battletome.
I really don't like to bring unofficial stuff into environments. Especially since I feel this game is still too fresh, I wouldn't want to confuse newer players. I will stick to the new Battletome for any points or anything for terrain features, since I think that will address them.
The Green one wrote: Just must ask a question about the Tomb King Alive rumour. Is there any idea that if it were true when it would be released? Day, Quarter of year, year?
It's not even a rumour. It's pure wish-listing. Nothing more.
Don't get your hope up and don't hold your breath.
Chikout wrote: and steampunk duardin all rumoured for September but nothing at all for August.
I thought I saw a new rumour saying that the steampunk duradin is in fact dwarves for Age of Sigmar and someone got mistaken for what they actually were.
Where was the rumour placing Steam Duradin in the next few months I must have missed this? I thought Tzeentch and Aelfs were next up for AoS? Mind you nothing rumoured yet for August- we should hear something soonish unless its Eldrad and some mates seeing as how he popped up.
Edit: Ah I see there is some mention on Naftka of Duardin/Squats- steampunk with blimps and rocket packs? I'll not hold my breath..
So GW just posted points for Silver Tower on FB... Except only for the heroes and bosses and none for the enemy units (Tzaangor, Acolytes, horrors, goblins etc). The reasoning is that the points system is made for larger units... Ignoring the fact that many people like myself bought multiple boxes for the sole purpose of using the units in AoS. They already released rules for these units but now refuse to release points until the inevitable Tzeentch Arcanites release, at which point I'll have bought tons of monopose Tzaangor and Acolytes for nothing because there will be box sets out for them at the same time that he points are released. And I won't be able to participate in the tournament in October which is the whole reason I started a Tzeentchian army.
Mymearan wrote: So GW just posted points for Silver Tower on FB... Except only for the heroes and bosses and none for the enemy units (Tzaangor, Acolytes, horrors, goblins etc). The reasoning is that the points system is made for larger units... Ignoring the fact that many people like myself bought multiple boxes for the sole purpose of using the units in AoS. They already released rules for these units but now refuse to release points until the inevitable Tzeentch Arcanites release, at which point I'll have bought tons of monopose Tzaangor and Acolytes for nothing because there will be box sets out for them at the same time that he points are released. And I won't be able to participate in the tournament in October which is the whole reason I started a Tzeentchian army.
DAMN ITGW
easy now man, it's coming. Not even release date yet
Mymearan wrote: So GW just posted points for Silver Tower on FB... Except only for the heroes and bosses and none for the enemy units (Tzaangor, Acolytes, horrors, goblins etc). The reasoning is that the points system is made for larger units... Ignoring the fact that many people like myself bought multiple boxes for the sole purpose of using the units in AoS. They already released rules for these units but now refuse to release points until the inevitable Tzeentch Arcanites release, at which point I'll have bought tons of monopose Tzaangor and Acolytes for nothing because there will be box sets out for them at the same time that he points are released. And I won't be able to participate in the tournament in October which is the whole reason I started a Tzeentchian army.
DAMN ITGW
Well they did give them proxy points. I think that would count as being legitimate enough for tournaments.
Mymearan wrote: So GW just posted points for Silver Tower on FB... Except only for the heroes and bosses and none for the enemy units (Tzaangor, Acolytes, horrors, goblins etc). The reasoning is that the points system is made for larger units... Ignoring the fact that many people like myself bought multiple boxes for the sole purpose of using the units in AoS. They already released rules for these units but now refuse to release points until the inevitable Tzeentch Arcanites release, at which point I'll have bought tons of monopose Tzaangor and Acolytes for nothing because there will be box sets out for them at the same time that he points are released. And I won't be able to participate in the tournament in October which is the whole reason I started a Tzeentchian army.
DAMN ITGW
Most likely they are saving their points for the tzeentch Arcanite release.
angelofvengeance wrote: New video with Mr Rhodes, showing you how to paint the Shattered Dominion board. This particular tutorial refers to the Igneous Delta in the Realm of Fire (Aqshy).
Mymearan wrote: So GW just posted points for Silver Tower on FB... Except only for the heroes and bosses and none for the enemy units (Tzaangor, Acolytes, horrors, goblins etc). The reasoning is that the points system is made for larger units... Ignoring the fact that many people like myself bought multiple boxes for the sole purpose of using the units in AoS. They already released rules for these units but now refuse to release points until the inevitable Tzeentch Arcanites release, at which point I'll have bought tons of monopose Tzaangor and Acolytes for nothing because there will be box sets out for them at the same time that he points are released. And I won't be able to participate in the tournament in October which is the whole reason I started a Tzeentchian army.
DAMN ITGW
Actually this is probably good news. It makes me think that theTzeentch Arcanite book is coming soon. Maybe even in time for that tournament.And as mentioned the proxy points are official enough for the time being. I am certain you will be able to use them in the tournament.
A 1000 point army for £80 (every box includes a battleline unit and a leader) if you buy online, dramatically increases the chance of new players giving Aos a go. It looks like they intend to eventually give every faction a box. I hope they all sell well enough to show Gw that this is the correct way forward.
I may end up buying the Silver Tower box. The Ogroid Thaumaturge is an amazing model that I'd like to actually use him in my Chaos army. And the game itself looks fun.
GG GW, you're getting me to think about buying a board game with your AoS rules. Nicely done.
Talys wrote: Holy crap those are big bottles of paint. The big one is like... 20 pots, lol. WAY, WAY more than I'd use on 6x4 worth of game boards, incidentally. About 5-6 pots of paint should do it...
On the other hand $40 for effectively 23 pots of paint, I guess, is good, as long as you'll use a lot of one of the mega-dose colors. I'm thinking about getting the one with Dyrad Bark, and using that instead of Rhinox as my main brown.
I don't think I use enough mechanicus standard grey to merit 250ml. Then again, maybe I could mix a bunch of it with mediums and make a big dropper bottle for a lifetime supply of airbrush grey
Or, maybe, buy the big bottles, split it into little bottles, and share with your friends?
Thinking outside the box eh?
I have to say, the new big bottles are really nice shapes, and don't look too frustrating to deal with either. Expecting them to make more of them, or sell 'em separately.
I like the big bottles! But these are just not the colors that I go through gobs of, especially for regular paintbrush. I wish they had airbrush-premix jumbo size bottles of 200ml+ paint at ~ $40 for their all of their base paints and "really useful dark layer paints", like skavenblight dinge. And heck, Nuhln Oil and Agrax Earthshade. Aside from the cost savings, it would just be a nice format. I would really love it if they put airbrush fliptops like on the Vallejo 200ml. Those nubbed fliptops are really the best for airbrush.
I guess there is the slight problem that if you use up a whole lot of the paint, but not all of it, they'll probably dry up (like the 200ml Vallejo primers), but that's a problem I'm willing to own and solve for colors I don't use quickly enough.
So the Shattered Dominions ROB board comes in a box rather than the carry bag of the original ROB. Was this the case with the Sector Imperialis board as well?
I've had two Treelords and two boxes of Dryads on order at the FLGS for a couple few weeks now but he's been unable to get them in. Asked him to change my order to a pair of those Sylvaneth start collecting boxes.
When did the RoB boards go up to £200? I like the paint sets- those starter sets for bloodhound and storm casts are really good - add one on top of the start collecting boxes and you are good to go- especially with an online discount. The huge paint pots for terrain are good as well- would like to see those big pots sold separately.
Yeah so reading the extract to the lord of undeath it has neferata in it. I need this book now. Going by the extract it seems to be her story in the balance of power book in a novel form.
I wonder if there are more parts to it since I assume this is the final realm gate war book I think or there might be one more.
The battle board is so expensive. You could buy 4 6' x 4' gaming mats for the same price and fight in a different realm every week.
I don't get why GW don't move into the gaming mat market. Official themed mats sold limited edition with an army release would sell like hot cakes surely.
With the "easy to build" Retributors why do you think they included the Retributor Prime sculpt (with lion pauldron and gauntlet thing) rather than just the two vanilla Retributors? Seems a bit counter intuitive.
Not really. If you're buying 2 boxes you can use one of the retributors to upgrade to a Prime.
Having just got the Storm of Sigmar set, the 4 sprues in there are identical to the 4 being sold separately. one with 2 Liberators and a Prime, one with a Retributor and a Prime, one with 4 Blood Reavers and a Champion and one with 2 Blood Warriors and a Champion. To sell 2 Retributors without another Prime, they'd have to produce another sprue specifically for that.
Also of note is that the unit cards in SoS are actually really nice, they've each got a neat art print on the reverse side, adding something like this to other AoS products is definitely something I hope GW looks into as they're well produced and very cool.
Talys wrote: Holy crap those are big bottles of paint. The big one is like... 20 pots, lol. WAY, WAY more than I'd use on 6x4 worth of game boards, incidentally. About 5-6 pots of paint should do it...
On the other hand $40 for effectively 23 pots of paint, I guess, is good, as long as you'll use a lot of one of the mega-dose colors. I'm thinking about getting the one with Dyrad Bark, and using that instead of Rhinox as my main brown.
I don't think I use enough mechanicus standard grey to merit 250ml. Then again, maybe I could mix a bunch of it with mediums and make a big dropper bottle for a lifetime supply of airbrush grey
Or, maybe, buy the big bottles, split it into little bottles, and share with your friends?
Ridiculously expensive don't you think?
£6.50 48 colours of the similar quality paint, Dryad Bark - Burnt Umber - MSG - Paynes Grey - SLD - Raw Sienna?
Bottle wrote: The battle board is so expensive. You could buy 4 6' x 4' gaming mats for the same price and fight in a different realm every week.
I don't get why GW don't move into the gaming mat market. Official themed mats sold limited edition with an army release would sell like hot cakes surely.
Especially when this and the 40k boards are so flat. Sure the detailing is very nice and being able to paint it however you want will be a plus point for some. But why make a hard plastic board with no 3D element to it?
Bottle wrote: The battle board is so expensive. You could buy 4 6' x 4' gaming mats for the same price and fight in a different realm every week.
I don't get why GW don't move into the gaming mat market. Official themed mats sold limited edition with an army release would sell like hot cakes surely.
Yeah I like the Battle Board in theory...but not at that price.
Mind you I have the old GW grass mat that was 40$ when it came out? Best gaming investment I ever made, lovely quality.
Thraxas Of Turai wrote: So the Shattered Dominions ROB board comes in a box rather than the carry bag of the original ROB. Was this the case with the Sector Imperialis board as well?
Sector Imperialis also came in a carrying bag. I have it in my closet.
shinros wrote: Yeah so reading the extract to the lord of undeath it has neferata in it. I need this book now. Going by the extract it seems to be her story in the balance of power book in a novel form.
I wonder if there are more parts to it since I assume this is the final realm gate war book I think or there might be one more.
She has a cameo role in Balance of Power book but its not much than that sadly - hoping that she is in it more and as she was in the old novels
That's art from the All Gates book(page87). Odd that they would re use it for a new boxed set. Could we be looking at a smaller box more like the Storm of Sigmar or start collecting boxes in content?
Bottle wrote:The battle board is so expensive. You could buy 4 6' x 4' gaming mats for the same price and fight in a different realm every week.
I don't get why GW don't move into the gaming mat market. Official themed mats sold limited edition with an army release would sell like hot cakes surely.
If they made gaming mats they would just sell them just as costly as the boards are. This is GW after all. Also GW is in the plastic mold business. If they made gaming mats they would have to out source it to China since they don't have any print facilities to my knowledge and would just be cheaper to make them in plastic than outsourcing. Could be wrong of course on that part though. But why open up a chance for a company to start making gaming mats and then make their own company selling the same thing then?
angelofvengeance wrote: @Davor: Erm... it's about to bite someone in half. You've seen lizards with sharp teeth, right? You could say that about pretty much anything.
Look at the edge of the mouth. Not where the teeth end but the "lips" it's still grinning.
angelofvengeance wrote: @Davor: Erm... it's about to bite someone in half. You've seen lizards with sharp teeth, right? You could say that about pretty much anything.
Look at the edge of the mouth. Not where the teeth end but the "lips" it's still grinning.
angelofvengeance wrote: @Davor: Erm... it's about to bite someone in half. You've seen lizards with sharp teeth, right? You could say that about pretty much anything.
Look at the edge of the mouth. Not where the teeth end but the "lips" it's still grinning.
Oh flip now I see it!
You guys have seen snake mouths, right? They have the same/similar look to the mouth when it isn't fully open.
angelofvengeance wrote: @Davor: Erm... it's about to bite someone in half. You've seen lizards with sharp teeth, right? You could say that about pretty much anything.
Look at the edge of the mouth. Not where the teeth end but the "lips" it's still grinning.
Oh flip now I see it!
You guys have seen snake mouths, right? They have the same/similar look to the mouth when it isn't fully open.
I think the mouth looks fine, but it looks like the artist lost track of one of the hind legs. Hover Lizard!
The Architect of Fate looks interesting, the Tzeentchian guy on the cover looks like the Tzeentch Chaos Lord on Disc, but he is finecast so maybe a plastic update?
And he is clearly fighting the current Lord Celestant miniature as well. Have any of the reliable rumour mongers given any estimated dates on its release?
Thraxas Of Turai wrote: The Architect of Fate looks interesting, the Tzeentchian guy on the cover looks like the Tzeentch Chaos Lord on Disc, but he is finecast so maybe a plastic update?
And he is clearly fighting the current Lord Celestant miniature as well. Have any of the reliable rumour mongers given any estimated dates on its release?
I thought that - clearly inspired by that model, but the art is bare chested:
shinros wrote: Yeah so reading the extract to the lord of undeath it has neferata in it. I need this book now. Going by the extract it seems to be her story in the balance of power book in a novel form.
I wonder if there are more parts to it since I assume this is the final realm gate war book I think or there might be one more.
She has a cameo role in Balance of Power book but its not much than that sadly - hoping that she is in it more and as she was in the old novels
The novel expands on the balance of power story. That story is only the first part of the book. The book goes into more detail on why nagash did not turn up at the all-gates, how he gathered the mortarch's and what his plans are. Oh the book also has quite bomb shell for stormcast players I think. If you ever want the full story on something you need to read the campaign books AND the BL novels.
So I was really sold on the the new bases until I saw this picture. The official paint jobs are much too garish, these look at lot better and fit in with the new board very well. edit just noticed an article about them on the web store blog.
Can anyone with the digital copy tell us if the point values were added to all units/scrolls or if it is just the ones in the generals handbook.? I bought the paperback copy but when the app upgrade came up today, it stated the handbook was $15 and included point values for all?
I have the digital copy as I live in Japan and there aren't any stores near me. It has everything in the handbook except the beastclaw Raiders for some reason. It has the forgeworld points, though not the silver tower points yet. It also does not have a points calculator yet which is a bit disappointing.
If you have the physical version there is no reason to get the digital one as well. A good points calculator might change that.
It is also worth noting that the iOS version is fine but the android version is very unstable after the latest update.
Requizen wrote: I still have no real idea how to use the scenery Warscrolls. They're not units and don't have points, can I bring them as part of the army? Or do we both just agree to put them down during setup? So annoying.
It seems like you just say "Hey I'd like to use these rules for the scenery". If both players agree, then the warscrolls are what you should be referring to instead of the random table.
That's the impression I've been given at least.
At the local GW we have been treating it as a free thing you take as part of your army, but incorporated into the rules for the terrain set up.
Bassicly you just say you want x to be a terrian feature the board.
This only works because we can get a 3rd party to set up the board fairly.
Uriels_Flame wrote: The new formations don't have points in the generals handbook. Does the App version? How many points is the Sc Hammer and Anvil warscroll?
There are no points for any of the campaign book battalions on the book or the app. I imagine they want to keep narrative play separate. It also means that anyone who only wants to do matched play doesn't have to buy the campaign books.
shinros wrote: Yeah so reading the extract to the lord of undeath it has neferata in it. I need this book now. Going by the extract it seems to be her story in the balance of power book in a novel form.
I wonder if there are more parts to it since I assume this is the final realm gate war book I think or there might be one more.
She has a cameo role in Balance of Power book but its not much than that sadly - hoping that she is in it more and as she was in the old novels
The novel expands on the balance of power story. That story is only the first part of the book. The book goes into more detail on why nagash did not turn up at the all-gates, how he gathered the mortarch's and what his plans are. Oh the book also has quite bomb shell for stormcast players I think. If you ever want the full story on something you need to read the campaign books AND the BL novels.
thanks might well pick it up - Checked out the new preview - so thanks
Uriels_Flame wrote: The new formations don't have points in the generals handbook. Does the App version? How many points is the Sc Hammer and Anvil warscroll?
There are no points for any of the campaign book battalions on the book or the app. I imagine they want to keep narrative play separate. It also means that anyone who only wants to do matched play doesn't have to buy the campaign books.
I think they learned this from the last 2 years of 40k. This actually keeps rules bloat down to just the rulebook and battletomes instead of spreading across a million books. Especially if they are doing 4-5 campaign books per year and progressing the story.
shinros wrote: Yeah so reading the extract to the lord of undeath it has neferata in it. I need this book now. Going by the extract it seems to be her story in the balance of power book in a novel form.
I wonder if there are more parts to it since I assume this is the final realm gate war book I think or there might be one more.
She has a cameo role in Balance of Power book but its not much than that sadly - hoping that she is in it more and as she was in the old novels
The novel expands on the balance of power story. That story is only the first part of the book. The book goes into more detail on why nagash did not turn up at the all-gates, how he gathered the mortarch's and what his plans are. Oh the book also has quite bomb shell for stormcast players I think. If you ever want the full story on something you need to read the campaign books AND the BL novels.
thanks might well pick it up - Checked out the new preview - so thanks
No problem, I quite enjoyed it as a death fan the book also helps to death players to know what their faction is doing and where they stand in the fluff which I feel is important.
Sorry if this has been discussed, but when a unit has a mix / max size and a points value, is it in fact X amount of pointer per min unit size? Or can you take the Max unit size for the same points cost as a min size unit? I cannot find it addressed in the book.
