Chopxsticks wrote:
Sorry if this has been discussed, but when a unit has a mix / max size and a points value, is it in fact X amount of pointer per min unit size? Or can you take the Max unit size for the same points cost as a min size unit? I cannot find it addressed in the book.

You pay for each multiple of the minimum size. So for a min 10 unit if you take 20, you pay min x 2.

Page 106.

 Dr_Keenbean wrote:

Chopxsticks wrote:
Sorry if this has been discussed, but when a unit has a mix / max size and a points value, is it in fact X amount of pointer per min unit size? Or can you take the Max unit size for the same points cost as a min size unit? I cannot find it addressed in the book.

Page 106.

Second columm, second paragraph

 wellofeternity wrote:
BTW. More artworks from Bonesplitterz Battletome on: http://wellofeternitypl.blogspot.com/2016/07/artworks-from-age-of-sigmar-xii.html

Spoiler:

Seriously what's going on with that artwork? The perspectives seem all over the place with the way the Carnosaur has been fitted in! As said previously it's missing the important leg that connects it to the area of ground it is supposed to be standing on/leaping off!! The Carnosaurs head seems to be quite near to the Savage Orc so measuring off that the Saurus Oldblood is tiny...find it quite distracting!

 Donomar wrote:

 wellofeternity wrote:
BTW. More artworks from Bonesplitterz Battletome on: http://wellofeternitypl.blogspot.com/2016/07/artworks-from-age-of-sigmar-xii.html

Spoiler:

Seriously what's going on with that artwork? The perspectives seem all over the place with the way the Carnosaur has been fitted in! As said previously it's missing the important leg that connects it to the area of ground it is supposed to be standing on/leaping off!! The Carnosaurs head seems to be quite near to the Savage Orc so measuring off that the Saurus Oldblood is tiny...find it quite distracting!

The Oldblood model does look small for what it can do...

The missing leg is just and the arrows in the background look really big, like spears.

 DarkBlack wrote:

 Donomar wrote:

 wellofeternity wrote:
BTW. More artworks from Bonesplitterz Battletome on: http://wellofeternitypl.blogspot.com/2016/07/artworks-from-age-of-sigmar-xii.html

Spoiler:

Seriously what's going on with that artwork? The perspectives seem all over the place with the way the Carnosaur has been fitted in! As said previously it's missing the important leg that connects it to the area of ground it is supposed to be standing on/leaping off!! The Carnosaurs head seems to be quite near to the Savage Orc so measuring off that the Saurus Oldblood is tiny...find it quite distracting!

The Oldblood model does look small for what it can do...

The missing leg is just and the arrows in the background look really big, like spears.

I'll be honest with you, I only glanced at them and thought they were spears that they had thrown off the cliff above! that makes it even worse now

Mysterious Lizards from space, missed opportunity there GW.

Beastclaw Raiders releases:

http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2016/07/this-weeks-releases-with-prices.html
http://www.the-stronghold.com/index.php?/topic/29142-beastclaw-raiders-next-white-dwarf-tease-p2/&page=3

Thanks, the price list

So I assume to know what the Stonehorn is, but are the Mournfang their cav?

My local store has a lot of ogre kingdom stuff still available, but if they go from $40 to $65 for the same box I will be getting them today.

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
So I assume to know what the Stonehorn is, but are the Mournfang their cav?

My local store has a lot of ogre kingdom stuff still available, but if they go from $40 to $65 for the same box I will be getting them today.

These are repacks, with the Mournfang Cavalry probably going to four models per box. All of the models can be seen on the web store.

The 2nd link posted by Hragged has some good info from WD131. I cannot copy/paste it with my tablet, otherwise I would post it here

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
So I assume to know what the Stonehorn is, but are the Mournfang their cav?

My local store has a lot of ogre kingdom stuff still available, but if they go from $40 to $65 for the same box I will be getting them today.

I wouldn't. Historically, repacks of existing models have gotten an increase in the number of models at a net discount from buying that same amount pre-repack.

For example, Black Orcs were $41.25 for 10 but the repack is $53 for 15. Which is a net discount of $8.88.

EDIT: I'm aware the Stonehorn got an increase but I'd wager they're just rounding it off for the sake of simplicity and they don't drop prices (repacks are the loophole around that so they still tell investors they don't drop prices).

Ooooh. Hope this breathes life into my unfinished Ogres.

Hmm.. Maybe I can leverage this to my advantage still

Looking forward to this. Might hold off the generals handbook until the Ogors come about as I imagine they will be quite a cheap 1000 point army. I am looking forward to the new colour schemes the most though, as Frostlords I hope some have icy skin or are covered in blue tattoos and

Looks like Order might have a bit of trouble in the future:



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There is only one God, and his name, is Nagash,

Does this mean we are going to see an epic Zeus vs Odin showdown later on in the campaign?

We've had people using Nagash and Archon this whole time.

Nagash in 2k sucks ass. I took him down with Judicator Shooting.

Hope the next scenario is 3k and I may actually break out a stardrake.

 unmercifulconker wrote:
There is only one God, and his name, is Nagash,

No it's not, we all know Nagash is a poncy upstart. There can only be one and that is because SETTRA RULES!

Whirlwind wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
There is only one God, and his name, is Nagash,

No it's not, we all know Nagash is a poncy upstart. There can only be one and that is because SETTRA RULES!

Ha, I completely forgot about Settra's fate. I wonder if he's gonna come back at some point of hopefully a new anti Nagash Tomb King army.

It was about time something would happen. Overall the other factions stood no chance save chaos. I hope this tips the balance a bit.

People on facebook are getting hyped for the slaanesh plot to advance slightly.

I seriously doubt they'd put in Slaanesh as part of this, I think they have plans for him/her in the future. We'll probably see a campaign based around Slaanesh and Elf releases at some point down the road (not a rumor, just thinking aloud).

Odin owns ye all!

Requizen wrote:
I seriously doubt they'd put in Slaanesh as part of this, I think they have plans for him/her in the future. We'll probably see a campaign based around Slaanesh and Elf releases at some point down the road (not a rumor, just thinking aloud).

I think this will be the case. Honestly going by the comments I think GW is not "happy"? with how much order is dominating I think. Since I think they want the outcome to be more spicy so they can churn out more war stories and books.

I'd like to see the campaign get a shakeup. Even though I play Order I think it would be interesting to see Death get a city.

motski wrote:
I'd like to see the campaign get a shakeup. Even though I play Order I think it would be interesting to see Death get a city.

That's my dream outcome, death barely has any fluff at the moment the recent we got was the realm gate book. If we could tell the store manager which city we want to log our points I think death would of stood more of a chance.

 shinros wrote:

Requizen wrote:
I seriously doubt they'd put in Slaanesh as part of this, I think they have plans for him/her in the future. We'll probably see a campaign based around Slaanesh and Elf releases at some point down the road (not a rumor, just thinking aloud).

I think this will be the case. Honestly going by the comments I think GW is not "happy"? with how much order is dominating I think. Since I think they want the outcome to be more spicy so they can churn out more war stories and books.

TBF it doesn't seem like a lot of players are entirely happy either. If GW steps in to create some tension where Order doesn't just dominate the field I suspect it would improve things overall. Naturally some people will cry about GW rigging the results but really it's kinda the opposite if they do something like that.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 shinros wrote:

Requizen wrote:
I seriously doubt they'd put in Slaanesh as part of this, I think they have plans for him/her in the future. We'll probably see a campaign based around Slaanesh and Elf releases at some point down the road (not a rumor, just thinking aloud).

I think this will be the case. Honestly going by the comments I think GW is not "happy"? with how much order is dominating I think. Since I think they want the outcome to be more spicy so they can churn out more war stories and books.

TBF it doesn't seem like a lot of players are entirely happy either. If GW steps in to create some tension where Order doesn't just dominate the field I suspect it would improve things overall. Naturally some people will cry about GW rigging the results but really it's kinda the opposite if they do something like that.

I'd say they're still rigging it. They're just doing it positively if that makes sense.

What is interesting is that if this was order versus everyone else, every area would be extremely close. I wonder if they will try to take it in this direction to make the end of the campaign exciting.

That would be interesting but the problem is that Death/Chaos/Destruction would be in a race to screw each other over ASAP so I really can't see them working together in any way.

It's funny that the order is winning, as everything GW fluff wise is always the good guys being overwhelmed.

I can only imagine if you did the same for 40k (imperium vs whatever groupings of non-imperial types), the opposition would be annihilated by the 8 bajillion Space marine players. Though in the fluff the imperium is always doing badly.

A matter of perspective I suppose. I wanted to play Bloodbound but had my storm cast painted first.

 shinros wrote:

Requizen wrote:
I seriously doubt they'd put in Slaanesh as part of this, I think they have plans for him/her in the future. We'll probably see a campaign based around Slaanesh and Elf releases at some point down the road (not a rumor, just thinking aloud).

I think this will be the case. Honestly going by the comments I think GW is not "happy"? with how much order is dominating I think. Since I think they want the outcome to be more spicy so they can churn out more war stories and books.

They can churn them out even if order wins 100% games so why would they be not happy? They deliberately created fluff that ensures neither side can archieve total victory. They don't have to worry about results being too lopsided.

I actually think an order win would be the best result for the fluff. A dissapointing aspect of the story so far is the post apocalyptic nature of it all. The novels refer to all these wonderful civilisations that used to exist, but have been reduced to boring nothingness by chaos.
A new flourishing civilization would be a geat way to create a new human faction, with the actions of the players in this campaign built into its history.

tneva82 wrote:

 shinros wrote:

Requizen wrote:
I seriously doubt they'd put in Slaanesh as part of this, I think they have plans for him/her in the future. We'll probably see a campaign based around Slaanesh and Elf releases at some point down the road (not a rumor, just thinking aloud).

I think this will be the case. Honestly going by the comments I think GW is not "happy"? with how much order is dominating I think. Since I think they want the outcome to be more spicy so they can churn out more war stories and books.

They can churn them out even if order wins 100% games so why would they be not happy? They deliberately created fluff that ensures neither side can archieve total victory. They don't have to worry about results being too lopsided.

I doubt its about the story, I suspect its about making the campaign better. Right now its pretty clear that Order will win by a fair margin, and while the margin probably matters it certainly takes some of the thrill out of the competition. If they adjust things so an across-the-board Order win isn't guaranteed then it will be more fun for everyone -- even Order players.

Chikout wrote:
The novels refer to all these wonderful civilisations that used to exist, but have been reduced to boring nothingness by chaos.

To be fair, I think they are boring of nothingness because of Sigmar. What did Sigmar do to make them exciting before Chaos came in? Then again, can we blame Sigmar or blame Kirby? At least Mr Roundtree has made AoS exciting while Kirby failed miserably.

Davor wrote:

Chikout wrote:
The novels refer to all these wonderful civilisations that used to exist, but have been reduced to boring nothingness by chaos.

To be fair, I think they are boring of nothingness because of Sigmar. What did Sigmar do to make them exciting before Chaos came in? Then again, can we blame Sigmar or blame Kirby? At least Mr Roundtree has made AoS exciting while Kirby failed miserably.

I want to see more of Mannfred's castle Nachtsreik and what his get are doing. One thing I will say when kevin got more control there was a slight shift in the fluff and how it was presented. IMO.

 shinros wrote:

Davor wrote:

Chikout wrote:
The novels refer to all these wonderful civilisations that used to exist, but have been reduced to boring nothingness by chaos.

To be fair, I think they are boring of nothingness because of Sigmar. What did Sigmar do to make them exciting before Chaos came in? Then again, can we blame Sigmar or blame Kirby? At least Mr Roundtree has made AoS exciting while Kirby failed miserably.

I want to see more of Mannfred's castle Nachtsreik and what his get are doing. One thing I will say when kevin got more control they was a slight shift in the fluff and how it was presented. IMO.

Honestly I disagree. The age of Sigmar fluff has been consistent in its quality, at times great, at others not so much - but seeing as how the best information we have on the subject says that these projects are done years in advance, and I think its a little misguided to believe that Kevin's role as CEO had anything to do with the Age of Sigmar fluff (although depending on lead times it is possible.)

Neronoxx wrote:

 shinros wrote:

Davor wrote:

Chikout wrote:
The novels refer to all these wonderful civilisations that used to exist, but have been reduced to boring nothingness by chaos.

To be fair, I think they are boring of nothingness because of Sigmar. What did Sigmar do to make them exciting before Chaos came in? Then again, can we blame Sigmar or blame Kirby? At least Mr Roundtree has made AoS exciting while Kirby failed miserably.

I want to see more of Mannfred's castle Nachtsreik and what his get are doing. One thing I will say when kevin got more control they was a slight shift in the fluff and how it was presented. IMO.

Honestly I disagree. The age of Sigmar fluff has been consistent in its quality, at times great, at others not so much - but seeing as how the best information we have on the subject says that these projects are done years in advance, and I think its a little misguided to believe that Kevin's role as CEO had anything to do with the Age of Sigmar fluff (although depending on lead times it is possible.)

True, I can see your point.

I do feel whenever they do Death fluff it's really good I don't know why overall I feel undead fluff has overall been good in their fantasy product. Or maybe it's just my undead fanboy-ism talking.

campaign update :

I like how GW are doing this.

Neat! I won't be able to play a game in the next couple days, but I bet they do this with Death and Destruction as well.

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Looking forward to this. Might hold off the generals handbook until the Ogors come about as I imagine they will be quite a cheap 1000 point army. I am looking forward to the new colour schemes the most though, as Frostlords I hope some have icy skin or are covered in blue tattoos and

I have been running a pretty effective 1000 point list with beastclaw raiders being 1 hunter 3 yhetee 2 units of 2 mournfang and a thundertusk. 1000 points on the nose and pretty nasty. Comes in about $210 retail

 unmercifulconker wrote:

Whirlwind wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
There is only one God, and his name, is Nagash,

No it's not, we all know Nagash is a poncy upstart. There can only be one and that is because SETTRA RULES!

Ha, I completely forgot about Settra's fate. I wonder if he's gonna come back at some point of hopefully a new anti Nagash Tomb King army.

Settra story had so much potential, yet was completely mishandled/wasted. Was really hoping he would have been the chaos lord in the starter set of AOS.


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BTW, are they only considering the number of victories for the results, or the proportion of victories?. If it's the former, no wonder that order is dominating since it contains so much more factions than the other Grand alliance

New update on beast claw raiders.

https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/962

I really like the paint job they are doing with them. In the bonesplitterz battle tome one of their clans is from a tundra like area in the realm of ghur.

My GOSH this is so much want... I suppose I could have painted all of them this way to start with, but getting their own rules? ... impulse check needed.

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
My GOSH this is so much want... I suppose I could have painted all of them this way to start with, but getting their own rules? ... impulse check needed.

Bell of lost souls has another pic.

And I saw this on Facebook:

Even though they are repackaged I really like the painting scheme and theme they are going with here.

 reds8n wrote:
campaign update :

Awesome! Gonna be playing Chaos tomorrow (hopefully), so I will suggest this to the opponent!

 reds8n wrote:
campaign update :

I love this idea.

The polar/frost theme suits those Beastclaw models well.

If there's one theme I love, its ice!

Loving it more as since it'll be a low model count army with a large variation with bits, each model will feel like an individual character like in a warband or something. Think I will certainly do a 1000 point group of these. A Frostlord on Stonehorn and 4 Mournfangs is a whopping 840 already, maybe fill it with 4 Fenrisian wolves as Sabres or something. $123 retail, which should just be over £70 from a discount store, errrrmmm, BARGAIN!

Edit: Or, make it a lesser lord on Stonehorn and use the other rider as a Hunter on foot for 2 Sabres to stick with him. BOOOM.

Since there's going to be a distinction now between Beastclaws and Gutbusters, I wonder if either group will get new models at some point?

Half the fun of the ogres is that their parts are pretty much completely compatible across all the plastics, so once you have a few sets you can pretty much guarantee none of them look the same.

 streetsamurai wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:

Whirlwind wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
There is only one God, and his name, is Nagash,

No it's not, we all know Nagash is a poncy upstart. There can only be one and that is because SETTRA RULES!

Ha, I completely forgot about Settra's fate. I wonder if he's gonna come back at some point of hopefully a new anti Nagash Tomb King army.

Settra story had so much potential, yet was completely mishandled/wasted. Was really hoping he would have been the chaos lord in the starter set of AOS.


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BTW, are they only considering the number of victories for the results, or the proportion of victories?. If it's the former, no wonder that order is dominating since it contains so much more factions than the other Grand alliance

One of the swedish store managers said that buying a faction box nets you 20 points, while painting gives a score (not sure what it was) and playing only gets you 1 point.

 shinros wrote:
Even though they are repackaged I really like the painting scheme and theme they are going with here.

It is rather nice, i like they've gone away from the grey skinned ogres

 auticus wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:

Whirlwind wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
There is only one God, and his name, is Nagash,

No it's not, we all know Nagash is a poncy upstart. There can only be one and that is because SETTRA RULES!

Ha, I completely forgot about Settra's fate. I wonder if he's gonna come back at some point of hopefully a new anti Nagash Tomb King army.

Settra story had so much potential, yet was completely mishandled/wasted. Was really hoping he would have been the chaos lord in the starter set of AOS.


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BTW, are they only considering the number of victories for the results, or the proportion of victories?. If it's the former, no wonder that order is dominating since it contains so much more factions than the other Grand alliance

One of the swedish store managers said that buying a faction box nets you 20 points, while painting gives a score (not sure what it was) and playing only gets you 1 point.

If that's true, makes sense why Order jumped out to such an early lead with the Sylvaneth release. Kind of makes me think Destruction may be due for a boost.

migooo wrote:

 shinros wrote:
Even though they are repackaged I really like the painting scheme and theme they are going with here.

It is rather nice, i like they've gone away from the grey skinned ogres

They dropped the grey skin for ogres with the last WHFB Ogre Kingdoms army book which I believe was released almost five years ago in 2011.

 ImAGeek wrote:
And I saw this on Facebook:

Price quotes on this set?

And do we know ANY other army comps here?

Is it all mounted army?

 Uriels_Flame wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
And I saw this on Facebook:

Price quotes on this set?

And do we know ANY other army comps here?

Is it all mounted army?

Except for the Yhetees and Hunters (and technically Sabreclaws). Everything else is mounted.
Beastclaw Raiders Icewind Assault army box (14 models total for £135 / $215 US):

2 Stonehorn/Thundertusk sets
4 Mournfangs
1 Hunter
4 Frost Sabres
3 Yhetees

http://www.the-stronghold.com/index.php?/topic/29142-beastclaw-raiders-next-white-dwarf-tease-p2/&page=4

 Uriels_Flame wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
And I saw this on Facebook:

Price quotes on this set?

Back a page or two in this thread.

Do we know if the Yetis are back to Plastic or still in Finecast?

Sure they will be finecast still, if they were new plastic they would've looked a lot better haha.

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Do we know if the Yetis are back to Plastic or still in Finecast?

Beastclaw Raiders are repacks. There are no new models.

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Sure they will be finecast still, if they were new plastic they would've looked a lot better haha.

Awwwwwww... they have.... charm... right?

GW is running a competition on the AoS Facebook page

I'm a little less excited about GW's contests after entering that stupid "Dream Army" contest three separate times, and then them never even announcing winners. :-p

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I'm a little less excited about GW's contests after entering that stupid "Dream Army" contest three separate times, and then them never even announcing winners. :-p

The US winners were set to be announced in August IIRC.

 Ghaz wrote:

migooo wrote:

 shinros wrote:
Even though they are repackaged I really like the painting scheme and theme they are going with here.

It is rather nice, i like they've gone away from the grey skinned ogres

They dropped the grey skin for ogres with the last WHFB Ogre Kingdoms army book which I believe was released almost five years ago in 2011.

Which explains why I was not aware as I never bought any of those books. I felt you got more in the older books even if they were not in colour.

Posted mine! I'll let you know what I get if I win

I too posted mine, and added a bit of lore to make up for the lack of pictures

And i've added mine as well. You just never know and it cost nothing to have a go.

Hmm I shall give it a go. I like that GW are doing this. Writing up a short blurb of my army to make up for pictures have a rubbish phone.

for today

Hmm, the 1 day rules strike me as very gimmicky and seem like the MMORPG gambits (bonus xp today, bonus drops tomorrow, etc.). Why not just add them as campaign rules period? Or make them part of scenario/terrain selection?

Because they're just a bit of fun and colour, and encourage regular interaction with GW social media?

Yeah, the bonuses haven't even been enough to swing easy wins for Chaos or Death, they're just encouraging those players to get games in and give them a minuscule edge.

Order will be on Saturday when everyone else is actually playing

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Order will be on Saturday when everyone else is actually playing

Destruction will be next, likely.

The Wind of Death.....because the Fart of the Dying was already taken?

 notprop wrote:
The Wind of Death.....because the Fart of the Dying was already taken?

Isn't just a more eloquent way of saying the same thing?

Any place else been/being shorted on the new Start Collecting boxes coming out this week? I know at least the Sylvaneth one the FLGS ordered a bunch of but only a single copy of each box came in.

relevant for those going to the AoS Open day :


http://warhammerworld.games-workshop.com/2016/07/29/the-charity-raffle-1-could-get-you-500/

A £1 raffle ticket could lead to you nabbing £500 worth of Warhammer Age of Sigmar products from the shelves of Warhammer World! If you’re lucky, the Charity Raffle at the Warhammer Age of Sigmar Open Day on August 13th may keep you very busy for some time

Children in Need Charity Raffle

At the Warhammer Age of Sigmar Open Day you can join in with a charity raffle, where you could walk away with your choice of Warhammer Age of Sigmar products to the value of £500. The great bonus is that all the raffle money will go to Children in Need, so buying a ticket also helps a worthy cause.

£1 per ticket and all money goes to Children in Need.
You can buy as many tickets as you like.
Winner announced at 2.30pm on the day (you must be present to claim your prize)
Winner gets to pick any Warhammer Age of Sigmar products from the shelves of the Black Library, Forge World and Citadel stores – until you reach the £500 limit.
Trouble transporting it home? We can ship your new pile of Warhammer Age of Sigmar product home for you.
Simply buy your ticket while at the event, and listen out for the announcement to hear if you’re the lucky winner. What would your top picks would be if given this chance?!

good for them and good luck if you go & enter.

Hopefully we get some good leaks out of the open day

The AOS open day will be a good insight into gw's preview plans going forward. I hope they adopt the forgeworld approach, but if they still refuse to talk about upcoming releases, we will know that nothing will change for the foreseeable future.

Just noticed beastclaw raiders are gone from the UK site now

I wish you could still see pictures of the models properly even if they are out of stock, was trying to see what the bits are like from the Stonehorn kit for making a hunter on foot but waiting one more day wont hurt.

Oh man I cant wait for the open day, should be loads to see.

Have they used Finecast models in their other boxed sets?

 unmercifulconker wrote:
was trying to see what the bits are like from the Stonehorn kit for making a hunter on foot but waiting one more day wont hurt.

Yes, you can make a hunter on foot using some basic Bull bits. Those should be cheap because EVERYBODY has Bull bits laying around.

They put a Varghulf in the Flesh Eaters big box set.

Mighty thanks for that pic, looks awesome yeah I got a spare Irongut I haven't glued for months, things happen for a reason.

Beastclaw Raiders are up on NZ.

Can anyone take big pics?

Oh my god that is so sick. I am tempted to buy them the instant they hit the cad store.

I am unfamiliar with fantasy/aos outside of total war warhammer. Are these an existing faction? What grand alliance do they fall under?

 Gamgee wrote:
Oh my god that is so sick. I am tempted to buy them the instant they hit the cad store.

I am unfamiliar with fantasy/aos outside of total war warhammer. Are these an existing faction? What grand alliance do they fall under?

They were part of the Ogre Kingdoms, in the Destruction faction. Old models, but for me this set is going to require more restraint not to immediately buy than any other release yet!

As a newbie to this whole thing. What are army construction rules? The new Orruk models I think the ironjaws (maw crusha) looks cool. Is it possible for me to start a grand alliance destruction army with units from any of these factions?

Are there any benefits to having an army of only one faction? If so where can I find all these rules?

The AOS app is entirely free, and has the basic rules for every model. If you want the matched play rules (point costsm army comps, ect.) you can pick up the General's handbook, either in the app or as a physical copy if you prefer. ~25 dollars iirc.

 Gamgee wrote:
As a newbie to this whole thing. What are army construction rules? The new Orruk models I think the ironjaws (maw crusha) looks cool. Is it possible for me to start a grand alliance destruction army with units from any of these factions?

Are there any benefits to having an army of only one faction? If so where can I find all these rules?

Yes. If you have a tablet or phone, I suggest DLing the Age of sigmar app. Has the rules there for free like mentioned aswell as model stats. If you want to do points, the Generals handbook physical is 25 bucks (well worth it) and the app is like 15 I think?

The box set if taken them both as stonehorns brings it to 1520 points. Gives you leader, behemoths, and lots of battleline units your required to take in your army.

If you take both them and ironjawz however, you may need more battleline units, as some units only become battleline when playing mono-faction. pretty sure the savage orruks have some general battleline though, not entirely sure on that.

I have neither just a pc for gaming.

 Gamgee wrote:
As a newbie to this whole thing. What are army construction rules? The new Orruk models I think the ironjaws (maw crusha) looks cool. Is it possible for me to start a grand alliance destruction army with units from any of these factions?

Are there any benefits to having an army of only one faction? If so where can I find all these rules?

Army construction: Using the Generals Handbook for points, the only restrictions are that you need a certain amount of "Batlleline" units (3 in a 2000 point army) and have a max number of Leaders and Behemoths (6 and 3 respectively in 2000 points I think). You also need to pick your army from the same Grand Alliance. Both Ogors and Ironjawz are Destruction, so you're good to go. Just make sure you get enough Batlleline units, since some units are only Battleline if you keep to a certain faction, which you're not if you're using both Beastclaw Raiders and Ironjawz in the same army. If you're just getting the big Beastclaw Raiders box, you'll have enough Battleline and can simply start playing.

If you don't have a smart phone or tablet and can't use the app, the free rules for each model can be found on the store page for the model in question. Then you will need a copy of the Generals Handbook and you're set.

Benefits for only using a certain faction exist, but only in the recently released Sylvaneth Battletome and, obviously, in the yet to be released Beastclaw Raiders Battletome. We assume all factions will get similar benefits in the future. In the meantime, you get similar benefits for being a Destruction, Order, Chaos or Death army, they are just less specific to your faction. You can find these rules in the Handbook. If you want Beastclaw Raiders-specific benefits you'll need their Battletome as well.

 Gamgee wrote:
I have neither just a pc for gaming.

You can download the rules to your computer by visiting the webstore.

 Gamgee wrote:
I have neither just a pc for gaming.

How do you not have a phone? :/

Loving the Beastclaw paint scheme

Thanks for the help folks. Now to get my Ta'unar done. Looks like I'm putting my two Barracuda on hold as well. These things are just too kick ass to pass up. I always thought I would be an undead kind of guy from what I read but these models speak to me more.

I'm not a social person for the most part. And since 90% of people have one if there's ever an emergency I just use theirs. To this date I have never had to use one.

Once in awhile I host an rpg or play a game of 40k (used to at least) but that's it. People can stay over there.

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One last question. How viable are orruks as an army? As well as the Beastclaw Raiders.

They have been unleashed on UK store. Ready thine wallets.


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Damn son I didn't know the Icewind Assault box is discounted. I was just gonna do a 1000 point army for now but thats tempting as hell.

 Gamgee wrote:
Thanks for the help folks. Now to get my Ta'unar done. Looks like I'm putting my two Barracuda on hold as well. These things are just too kick ass to pass up. I always thought I would be an undead kind of guy from what I read but these models speak to me more.

I'm not a social person for the most part. And since 90% of people have one if there's ever an emergency I just use theirs. To this date I have never had to use one.

Once in awhile I host an rpg or play a game of 40k (used to at least) but that's it. People can stay over there.

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One last question. How viable are orruks as an army? As well as the Beastclaw Raiders.

Don't know about normal Orruks but Ironjawz are dope as hell.

Are they the ones with maw crusher?

The new colour scheme for the Beastclaw Raiders is so awesome. Even those Yheetees look good!

 Gamgee wrote:
Are they the ones with maw crusher?

Yarp, Ironjawz have the badass Maw-Krusha.

I can see ogres becoming a lot more popular if they keep up this redesign theme and expand it to the regular stuff. More large prehistorical animals.

Imagine ogre kingdoms with saber tooth tiger cavalry. Muahahah. Oh there was also this prehistoric giant dog thing from australlia that was larger than the saber tooth and more dangerous.

Keep up the theme of giant prehistoric animals going and then fantasy them up a bit and you got a hugely successful faction.

Don't know if that's the same one I'm remembering or even remembering the right thing, but there it is. Massive bear-dog would be bigger than a bear from today. Perfect mount for the more southerly climes of the ogre kingdoms. All this could even be worked into their new lore for why they eat so much, got so big (bein geaten), and have to be so strong and savage.
http://www.app.pan.pl/archive/published/app56/app20100005.pdf

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As soon as I seen maw-krusha I was tempted to buy it way back then.

There is a Battalion which allies Ogors and Orruks, wonder if that will be with Ironjawz or Bonesplitterz.

 Gamgee wrote:
I can see ogres becoming a lot more popular if they keep up this redesign theme and expand it to the regular stuff. More large prehistorical animals.

This isn't a redesign, these models already existed and have been repackaged. I agree that more prehistoric creatures would be awesome though.

latest campaign buff

Goddamm the Icefall Yhetee's have a pretty amazing warscroll by itself.

Without wanting to price rant, its really illuminating looking a the prices of the new (old) ogres

£36 for the large beasts vs the Iron Jawz £65 for their large beast for what is a very comparable kit/amount of plastic.

Its frustrating as GW are starting to do sensible things again, and have managed to persuade me back in, having gone cold turkey for well over half a decade now.

Been playing AoS and Silver Tower with my GF, and we are both working on new armies, so its clearly working, but we are sticking to older kits.

Its frustrating, as the Sylvaneth kits were not terribly priced, so they must have figured they hit the upper limit of price elasticity, but have dug their heels in on no price reductions, so there will be some kits stuck at this price now.

AoS really hits my love of small, thematic forces (I dropped out of fantasy with 7th, so missed the joys of 100 man units thankfully), and I want to collect a little skirmish force for a lot of factions, but will have to pick carefully.

Ah well, I always buy more than I will ever paint, so maybe this is for the best right

Shame the last few finecasts kits didn't get replaced either, those yetis were not great first time round...

That's why we have the new start collecting boxes. Honestly I think the ironjaw's one has the biggest value I think. Even though their "beast" is still pricey their other stuff is in a pretty good value box.

 shinros wrote:
That's why we have the new start collecting boxes. Honestly I think the ironjaw's one has the biggest value I think. Even though their "beast" is still pricey their other stuff is in a pretty good value box.

Oh, absolutely. I'm two start collecting boxes in already

 JonWebb wrote:
Without wanting to price rant, its really illuminating looking a the prices of the new (old) ogres

£36 for the large beasts vs the Iron Jawz £65 for their large beast for what is a very comparable kit/amount of plastic.

Its frustrating as GW are starting to do sensible things again, and have managed to persuade me back in, having gone cold turkey for well over half a decade now.

Been playing AoS and Silver Tower with my GF, and we are both working on new armies, so its clearly working, but we are sticking to older kits.

Its frustrating, as the Sylvaneth kits were not terribly priced, so they must have figured they hit the upper limit of price elasticity, but have dug their heels in on no price reductions, so there will be some kits stuck at this price now.

AoS really hits my love of small, thematic forces (I dropped out of fantasy with 7th, so missed the joys of 100 man units thankfully), and I want to collect a little skirmish force for a lot of factions, but will have to pick carefully.

Ah well, I always buy more than I will ever paint, so maybe this is for the best right

Shame the last few finecasts kits didn't get replaced either, those yetis were not great first time round...

The Huskard/Thundertusk comes on a 120 X 90mm base compared to the 160mm of the Maw Crusher, it's fair to assume that the latter is considerably bigger. And I've seen the Huskard before, it's not really that big.

The Stonehorn and maw krusha are a similar height and length, but the maw krusha is about twice as wide as the Thundertusk. The maw Krusha really is an exceptionally chunky monster.

Imateria wrote:
The Huskard/Thundertusk comes on a 120 X 90mm base compared to the 160mm of the Maw Crusher, it's fair to assume that the latter is considerably bigger. And I've seen the Huskard before, it's not really that big.

Chikout wrote:The Stonehorn and maw krusha are a similar height and length, but the maw krusha is about twice as wide as the Thundertusk. The maw Krusha really is an exceptionally chunky monster.

Fair enough, I've not seen them side by side.

Still, a hell of a jump up. Can't imagine there are many more sprues in the Mawcrusha and each sprue adds very little manufacturing cost.

Like I say, I can buy more than I will ever paint, and the IronJawz are not on my radar right now, so its unlikely I would ever grab one.

Not the only game with ever increasing costs lets face it.

There is no question that prices of new stuff has increased dramatically. I am glad thought that they have resisted the temptation to increase the prices of the reboxed minis. The infantry is actually cheaper per model than before. The mourn fangs for example were 24 for 2 but are now 40 for 4. So the box is more expensive but each miniature is cheaper now than when they were first released in 2011. This has been true for every infantry or cavalry rebox so far.
It is baby steps towards reasonable pricing by GW but it is better than nothing.
With the discount box and an extra box of mournfangs you can have a 2000 point beastclaw army for £175. (£140 if you go through an online store.) That's not too bad.

Chikout wrote:
There is no question that prices of new stuff has increased dramatically. I am glad thought that they have resisted the temptation to increase the prices of the reboxed minis. The infantry is actually cheaper per model than before. The mourn fangs for example were 24 for 2 but are now 40 for 4. So the box is more expensive but each miniature is cheaper now than when they were first released in 2011. This has been true for every infantry or cavalry rebox so far.
It is baby steps towards reasonable pricing by GW but it is better than nothing.
With the discount box and an extra box of mournfangs you can have a 2000 point beastclaw army for £175. (£140 if you go through an online store.) That's not too bad.

Yup, the new reboxed sets are alright, you could always split the box back down to two units as most are reboxed multi sprues (when I get round to savage orks, that's exactly what I am planning).

The Sylvaneth are almost reasonable, unless that's Stockholm syndrome

If nothing else, I will take styrene over PVC or Finecast any day of the week, so there is that too.

Some nice artworks of Beastclaw Riders.

These are so nice. Someone trade with me...

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
I can see ogres becoming a lot more popular if they keep up this redesign theme and expand it to the regular stuff. More large prehistorical animals.

This isn't a redesign, these models already existed and have been repackaged. I agree that more prehistoric creatures would be awesome though.

When were these models made? They look fantastic. Can't be all that old.

 Gamgee wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
I can see ogres becoming a lot more popular if they keep up this redesign theme and expand it to the regular stuff. More large prehistorical animals.

This isn't a redesign, these models already existed and have been repackaged. I agree that more prehistoric creatures would be awesome though.

When were these models made? They look fantastic. Can't be all that old.

They were the second army book of 8th ed fantasy so... 2011? 2012?

The plastic Beastclaw Raiders date to 2011. The others (e.g., the Yhetees) date back to the original Ogre army book.

Wow then those are some amazing models for being that old. I mistook them for their newer releases they look so good.

Could this get anymore gimmicky?

Hey, let's integrate with Pokemon Go! Cmon GW! I love it when you embarrass yourself AND people who pay you money for the privilege!

 Olgerth Istaarn wrote:
Could this get anymore gimmicky?

Hey, let's integrate with Pokemon Go! Cmon GW! I love it when you embarrass yourself AND people who pay you money for the privilege!

What?

The art is so nice. My poor wallet but I NEED THE FLUFF. D;

I'm new to the AOS rules so I have no idea how good they are. Still the art is fantastic the models are crazy well made.

Eh, why does the Beastclaw Raiders Allegiance page have a picture of an Orruk on a Gore Grunta?

I really like the design of the new rules pages In the recent battletomes. When the books went full colour, a lot of the atmosphere of the older books was lost. It is good to get a little of that back.

Meh. More repackaged boxes to come.

Seriously, GW, if you destroyed the Old World just to do that, it wasn't worth it.

New armies! New models! Not just old miniatures with some vague background trying to make them look different! Make Orruks that aren't mushroom/just green! Add female Orruks! Make Fire/Metal Dwarves, not just "somewhat like old Slayers with helms"!

Be innovative!

The abilities don't seem quite as good as the previous two battletomes, but the improved battleline selection of Beastclaws is by far the best of any faction so I think it balances out.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
The abilities don't seem quite as good as the previous two battletomes, but the improved battleline selection of Beastclaws is by far the best of any faction so I think it balances out.

We also have to remember they are pretty good in terms of their warscrolls.

Do we know if they are getting new war scrolls or will they have the same rules?

Where can I find some lore on them? 40k wiki has tons of lore, but I find it hard to find anything on age of sigmar.

"...turning their blood to liquid ice..." So, water?

 Dr_Keenbean wrote:
Eh, why does the Beastclaw Raiders Allegiance page have a picture of an Orruk on a Gore Grunta?

They're destruction buddies!

Yay destruction buddies! I want a combined ironjaws and Beastclaws army.

 Guildsman wrote:
"...turning their blood to liquid ice..." So, water?

Kinda disappointed with this release overall. Unlike the other repacks there doesn't seem to be any discounts for any of the minis (the Ghouls, 'Ard Boyz, Chaos Knights, Skullcrushers, etc at least got a modest price decrease when they got mooshed together. There doesn't seem to be one for the Mournfangs). That and I always thought Ogres look goofy sitting on beasts.

Mounfang Cavalry went from $36 (IIRC) for two to $65 for four. That's a savings of $7. I believe there's also a savings on the Yhetees.

Yetis should be discounted due to finecast.

I am loving everything about this release!

 Gamgee wrote:
Wow then those are some amazing models for being that old. I mistook them for their newer releases they look so good.

Indeed, they're the main reason why almost every non-warhammer ogre miniature looks like a warhammer ogre miniature.

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 Olgerth Istaarn wrote:
Could this get anymore gimmicky?

Hey, let's integrate with Pokemon Go! Cmon GW! I love it when you embarrass yourself AND people who pay you money for the privilege!

What?

Poor lad, has Pokemon Go on the brain that everything reminds him of it....
(Though he might not be the only one...):
https://m.reddit.com/r/minipainting/comments/4sqj9j/knight_venator_from_age_of_sigmar/

https://m.facebook.com/comment/replies/?ctoken=1431096966907579_1431098443574098&p=-28&count=3&pc=1&ft_ent_identifier=1431096966907579&gfid=AQA3UE3KJKF3IMNn&refid=52

 Sarouan wrote:
Meh. More repackaged boxes to come.

Seriously, GW, if you destroyed the Old World just to do that, it wasn't worth it.

New armies! New models! Not just old miniatures with some vague background trying to make them look different! Make Orruks that aren't mushroom/just green! Add female Orruks! Make Fire/Metal Dwarves, not just "somewhat like old Slayers with helms"!

Be innovative!

Though I support all new models this seems a win-win to me.

-GW keeps production costs low and gives itself some breathing room for future releases.
-AoS players are happy with great deals and great new warscrolls.
-Oldhammer players are happy with great deals and seeing their favorite models stick around.

 Gamgee wrote:
Where can I find some lore on them? 40k wiki has tons of lore, but I find it hard to find anything on age of sigmar.

There's not really alot of information on the ogres(ogors) at the moment in the new setting. The upcoming battletome will be what shows us what they've been up to. (Killing and eating things, not exactly in that order, most likely)

What we do know is this:
> They worship Gorkamorka along with the rest of the Destruction faction.
> The Great Maw still lives and creates portals for them so they can travel between realms.
> They engaged a mysterious undead army that seemed to be the new Tomb kings. (and lost)

There's probably more lore tidbits but those are the parts I've read. Wait for MongooseMatt to post his (inevitable) review of their battletome if you're really interested but want to see if it's worth buying.

Baron Klatz wrote:
I am loving everything about this release!

But... none of these minis are new? You could literally buy everything they've got on pre-order 2 weeks ago.

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 Guildsman wrote:
"...turning their blood to liquid ice..." So, water?

Cold water!!!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Baron Klatz wrote:
I am loving everything about this release!

But... none of these minis are new? You could literally buy everything they've got on pre-order 2 weeks ago.

Yeah but now I can get a deal on the models and with new AoS lore and warscrolls.

Maybe I'm more excited for the Battletome than the models actually....

 Ghaz wrote:
Mounfang Cavalry went from $36 (IIRC) for two to $65 for four. That's a savings of $7. I believe there's also a savings on the Yhetees.

I'm looking at the canadian prices and I remembered the Mournfangs to be 40 bucks for 2, so the new price of 80 for 4 is not a change. Maybe it's our dollar again :/

An old rumour popped into my head recently. This is from January 2015 on bols, the most unreliable rumour site.
Via the birds in the trees 1-22-2015


Chaos: Very large Dragon kit, spotted in the process of being painted up. Two-headed, very serpentine in pose. Mounted by a Chaos Knight. Taller than Nagash enormous wings dwarf its large base. Said to be truly stunning.

Dwarfs: Large golem built of boulders/stone, covers with runes. Dwarfs atop it manning a platform mounted gunpowder weapon.

Orcs: New Boar-riders kit. New modern dynamic poses, with fully armored & armed Ork cavalry atop, leaning far forward in their saddles.

In various stages of development, time to market unknown.

They got the number of heads wrong, but that sounds remarkably like Archaon. Multi heads, massive wings, serpentine pose.
The boar riders sound like gore gruntas.
It makes you wonder about the dwarf golem. One popular rumour (though unconfirmed by Sad Panda) is that steampunk duardin are up next for AOS. This could be the centrepiece for that release.
It could be nonsense but in the light the other parts coming true, it may be worth considering.

 Sarouan wrote:

Make Orruks that aren't mushroom/just green! Add female Orruks! Make Fire/Metal Dwarves, not just "somewhat like old Slayers with helms"!

You do realize that AoS is a continuation of WHFB right? Sure they are changing things up, but its not cutting all ties with the old setting.

Orruks are still orks, and the Fyreslayers are the "children" of Grimnir so of course the slayer tradition is still alive.


From the start AoS has always struck me as being about GW keeping their more iconic/unique elements while replacing the standard fantasy/Tolkien-esq parts.

Can anybody summarise any of the rules for the 5 warscroll battalions that came with the 5 start collecting sets that were released yesterday?

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Can anybody summarise any of the rules for the 5 warscroll battalions that came with the 5 start collecting sets that were released yesterday?

I'd be very interested in the full stats myself.

Chikout wrote:
An old rumour popped into my head recently. This is from January 2015 on bols, the most unreliable rumour site.
Via the birds in the trees 1-22-2015


Chaos: Very large Dragon kit, spotted in the process of being painted up. Two-headed, very serpentine in pose. Mounted by a Chaos Knight. Taller than Nagash enormous wings dwarf its large base. Said to be truly stunning.

Dwarfs: Large golem built of boulders/stone, covers with runes. Dwarfs atop it manning a platform mounted gunpowder weapon.

Orcs: New Boar-riders kit. New modern dynamic poses, with fully armored & armed Ork cavalry atop, leaning far forward in their saddles.

In various stages of development, time to market unknown.

They got the number of heads wrong, but that sounds remarkably like Archaon. Multi heads, massive wings, serpentine pose.
The boar riders sound like gore gruntas.
It makes you wonder about the dwarf golem. One popular rumour (though unconfirmed by Sad Panda) is that steampunk duardin are up next for AOS. This could be the centrepiece for that release.
It could be nonsense but in the light the other parts coming true, it may be worth considering.

I am just picturing in my head a massive stone golem with dwarves on top of it with cannons and . That just ignited hype for steampunk duradin I never knew I had.

Several of these like Chaos Dragon and 'Golems' were originally posted by Hastings and circulating on Warseer for a long time. There was also something like this shown in a WFB8 artwork. I have not watched Boar Boyz rumors closely but the others were posted earlier. Birds in the Trees was throwing a lot of stuff around. If you go by this, the BOLS 'industry insiders' will get things right after a while, too...


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I'm not saying it may not happen, just that there were rumors for a while about large Dwarf machines/walkers/creatures

Jack Flask wrote:

You do realize that AoS is a continuation of WHFB right? Sure they are changing things up, but its not cutting all ties with the old setting.

Continuation? It's a new universe. They make winks refering to the old game and like to use a few same names and all, but that's definitely not the same setting. Alarielle isn't the Everqueen from WFB. The tone is also very different.

The main purpose of AoS is, to me, to have a healthy restart. If you keep being bound in the past, you will have troubles not to repeat the same mistakes than before. To me, the Seraphons were a huge mistake (meaning just keeping the old miniatures without anything new more suited to AoS setting) and their background is frankly speaking quite well of what the fluff team is forced to write to try to justify their decisions with keeping the old miniatures. Having Chaos the exact same way than before like "yay we are dumb brutes who can't understand the utility of using shooting weapons/war machines" isn't very bright as well. It's better I don't start on Death and Destruction, it's the same damn thing.

At least they took the opportunity to use components from Crypt Horrors in a different way to make new units for the Ghoul faction. That's still using the old kits, though.

Orruks are still orks, and the Fyreslayers are the "children" of Grimnir so of course the slayer tradition is still alive.

And that's what I regret in AoS. If, in the end, they don't want to cut ties with the old game, they shouldn't have destroyed it in the first place.

If you have a new setting, then better to do it right and to the fullest. Make news factions, new ways. The Sylvaneth is the perfect example of what they should be doing. Bring humans who have nothing to do with Old Empire/ Chaos barbarians. AoS is a High Fantasy setting, with Gods quite litterally walking with their followers to war. I want to see Sigmar, I want to see Khorne. In miniatures. No more excuse with "the Chaos Gods are in the Chaos Realms" - let them fight truly, that's what AoS is talking about.

From the start AoS has always struck me as being about GW keeping their more iconic/unique elements while replacing the standard fantasy/Tolkien-esq parts.

For now, it certainly feels like a question about holding tighter their grip on trademarks.

But that question alone doesn't make a living world.

That argument has been done to death already. In terms of a literary universe, it is not a new universe, they are the same universe with the same continuity. I hate seeing that line about how it's a separate universe over and over again, it's so misleading.

 Bull0 wrote:
That argument has been done to death already. In terms of a literary universe, it is not a new universe, they are the same universe with the same continuity. I hate seeing that line about how it's a separate universe over and over again, it's so misleading.

This is correct all the general fluff is still the same. Like the blood kiss of vampires and how they are made, they refer their vampiric children as get like always. They note that neferata and mannfred from are from the world that was in the in the Death book. Plus if you know how someone is turned into a vampire and how it works the vampire curse name makes sense(the vampiric curse name is called soulblight). Plus there are various relics from the old world lying around hell nagash has an obelisk filled with the souls from the old world. The first AOS campaign book pretty much starts after the end times with sigmar floating around in the "void" clutching to the core of the world that was. Then he meets his star dragon buddy and he shows him the new world's that spawned from the release of the winds of magic. Sigmar did not create them.

So sigmar decided to set up his new kingdom or "empire" in the realm most attuned to his power. The incarnates then re emerged due to the fact that they were now tied and interwoven with the very winds themselves. Archaon starts off floating in the void and through his third eye the chaos gods show him the mortal realms and decided that his work was not actually "done" yet he was far from finished. It's revealed in end times that it has been a cycle of destruction and rebirth. The gods of the old world were once mortals failed against chaos and ascended to god hood. That process has been repeated again with the characters who went against various odds and succeeded and made their mark in the old world.

There is a very lovecraft aspect to the whole thing.

Teclis even notes that the incarnates are pretty much gods once the winds of magic were bound to their souls. Nagash pretty much devoured a god.

Sigmar even has a library of the events of the old world in his palace so his general's, stormcast and war priests can learn from the mistakes of the past since they make it clear sigmar does not want to lose again. Skaven also note they have a great book detailing their alliance with Archaon. Now of course it's obvious why Death and Chaos have the most returning characters.

My friend who is a GW manager pretty much said that AOS is pretty much "part two". The universe is the same but they are in a different kind of world and setting and of course the setting has changed some of the rules somewhat and we got even more detailed information on how necromancy works in the lord of undeath book. Right now the old world is like the horus heresy era to most normal people.

Take it to AoS discussion please!

Yes, again.

 Manchu wrote:
Rule Number Two is Stay On Topic.
This thread is for discussing new AoS releases; not for discussing AoS or GW generally.

 Gamgee wrote:
As a newbie to this whole thing. What are army construction rules? The new Orruk models I think the ironjaws (maw crusha) looks cool. Is it possible for me to start a grand alliance destruction army with units from any of these factions?

Are there any benefits to having an army of only one faction? If so where can I find all these rules?

Gamgee my friend. Head over the the Age of Sigmar forum and make a new thread and ask all the questions there. I am sure you will get better results on how to get started in to AoS.

I agree with you that these Orgers (sorry keep forgetting what they are called) are almost an instant buy for me as well.


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 Olgerth Istaarn wrote:
Could this get anymore gimmicky?

Hey, let's integrate with Pokemon Go! Cmon GW! I love it when you embarrass yourself AND people who pay you money for the privilege!

I don't get it. Can you please explain what you mean please.

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Do we know if they are getting new war scrolls or will they have the same rules?

Did this question ever get answered?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Baron Klatz wrote:
I am loving everything about this release!

But... none of these minis are new? You could literally buy everything they've got on pre-order 2 weeks ago.

And for someone who doesn't know anything about Fantasy, I didn't know this. So now I am interested in something I didn't know 2 weeks ago.

 Uriels_Flame wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Do we know if they are getting new war scrolls or will they have the same rules?

Did this question ever get answered?

They already have new warscrolls online and on the app. Mostly the stats are the same, but some gain some new abilities and names.

Changes:
Hunter -> Icebrow Hunter:
Gains "Masters of Ambush" (do not deploy normally, place hero anywhere on board during any of your hero phases 9" away from enemies) and "Icy Breath" (instead of attack with other ranged weapons, pick a unit within 6" inches and roll on 4+ do D3 mortal wounds).

Icefall Yhetees:
Gain "Invigorated by the Blizzard" (can charge in the same turn they ran if they started the charge within 16" of a friendly THUNDERTUSK)

Sabretusks -> Frost Sabres (rename only, no changes to stats/abilities)

Mournfang Riders:
Loses option for dual clubs/blades. Still has option for club/blade + ironfist.
Gains new option to replace club/blade+ironfist with great weapons (1 less attack, +1 damage, gives -1 rend compared to club/blade). I'm not really sure which option is better, seems like club/blade+ironfist would be nicer for the mortal wounds when blocking, but maybe the -1 rend for great weapons really helps them out?

Stonehorn Beastriders:
No longer gain option for Frost Spear. Riders have the same profile that Thundertusks used to have (1 gets harpoon launcher, other gets chaintrap/blood vulture. 6 punch/kick attacks in close combat). Otherwise the same.

Thundertusk Breastriders:
No changes.

Frostlord (on Stonehorn/Thundertusk):
Replaces riders for Stonehorn or Thundertusk with single rider using Frost Spear (melee weapon 4 attacks, 3 damage now) in addition to 3 punch/kick attacks. Gives the model 3+ armor instead of 4+. Gives the model 1 more max wound. Has "Bellowing Voice" command ability (allows you to reroll all charges for any BEASTCLAW RAIDER units within 14" when they charge).

Huskard (on Stonehorn/Thundertusk):
Replaces riders for Stonehorn or Thundertusk with single rider using Chaintrap, Harpoon Launcher, or Blood vulture. Effectively weaker than base Stonehorn or Thundertusk beastriders, as there are less attacks, but gives the model an additional ability:
Line-breakers (on Stonehorn only): allows a MOURNFANG PACK within 10" to immediately pile in and attack after Huskard attacks. This is not a bonus attack, just allows you to skip your opponent.
Blizzard-speaker (on Thundertusk only): Plaguepriest-like "magic". Roll a dice and add 1 for every friendly THUNDERTUSK within 18"; on 4+ pick to give friendly BEASTCLAW RAIDER unit within 18" ability to reroll wounds of 1 until your next turn OR heal them D3 wounds.

Warhams-77 wrote:
Several of these like Chaos Dragon and 'Golems' were originally posted by Hastings and circulating on Warseer for a long time. There was also something like this shown in a WFB8 artwork. I have not watched Boar Boyz rumors closely but the others were posted earlier. Birds in the Trees was throwing a lot of stuff around. If you go by this, the BOLS 'industry insiders' will get things right after a while, too...


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I'm not saying it may not happen, just that there were rumors for a while about large Dwarf machines/walkers/creatures

Ever since seeing for the first time John Blanche's flying ships (https://au.pinterest.com/pin/476959416756665117/) I have always wanted to have these in my Dwarf Army. About six months I was actually considering scratch building one, but at this point I think I will sit and wait and see what -and if- is done for the Steamhead range.

In general I really hope that GW take the steampunk aspect of their dwarf range up to 11. Really push the impossible science side of things, feed in a good chunk of grim darkness and come out with a truly GW take on techno dwarfs.

I think I've heard rumours of Dwarf airships and golems from GW for at least a decade by now so I wouldn't hold my breath for them to release one anytime soon.

There is one in the works at MOM miniatures though:

Thanks!

I know the rumour is unlikely especially given the source, but I shared it as the other two parts of that post came true. If those were guesses I want that person buying my lottery tickets. Archaon is seperpentine, it does have massive wings, it does have multiple heads.

The boar riders are heavily armoured and the riders are leaning forward in their saddles. Also new boar riders was a strange thing to predict giving the existing, very good boar rider sculpts.
It all reads like someone really did get a peak into the design studio. That combined with the rumours of steam punk duardin suggests the golem could finally become reality.

Of course if they saw a cad image on a computer, there is no guarantee it would eventually become a model. I imagine they throw out concepts all the time.

I'd love to see some hardcore steampunk dwarf tech.

Unfortunately Titan Forge beat them to the punch with their Metal Beards range, but it is Titan Forge we're talking about who don't always do things with their best foot forward...

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I'd love to see some hardcore steampunk dwarf tech.

Unfortunately Titan Forge beat them to the punch with their Metal Beards range, but it is Titan Forge we're talking about who don't always do things with their best foot forward...

Considering the quality of the AOS models I am hopeful. I do think the new dwarfs style will be more like this guy the cog smith and the iron drakes.

 shinros wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I'd love to see some hardcore steampunk dwarf tech.

Unfortunately Titan Forge beat them to the punch with their Metal Beards range, but it is Titan Forge we're talking about who don't always do things with their best foot forward...

Considering the quality of the AOS models I am hopeful. I do think the new dwarfs style will be more like this guy the cog smith and the iron drakes.

That is a good guess.

Icebrow Hunter still infiltrate with his sabre tusks? Frost Lords sound legit and Yetis got a nice boost.

Chikout wrote:
I know the rumour is unlikely especially given the source, but I shared it as the other two parts of that post came true. If those were guesses I want that person buying my lottery tickets. Archaon is seperpentine, it does have massive wings, it does have multiple heads.

The boar riders are heavily armoured and the riders are leaning forward in their saddles. Also new boar riders was a strange thing to predict giving the existing, very good boar rider sculpts.
It all reads like someone really did get a peak into the design studio. That combined with the rumours of steam punk duardin suggests the golem could finally become reality.

Of course if they saw a cad image on a computer, there is no guarantee it would eventually become a model. I imagine they throw out concepts all the time.

I think I remember DuffyBear on Warseer having a brief set of rumours pre AoS?- he mentioned a chaos dragon with multiple heads and I am sure he mentioned a dwarf tunnelling/mining machine- maybe a centre piece? He was clear that this was a one off- a friend had a little info for a brief window but I remember the other info being pretty accurate. Maybe the rune golem things will appear as monstrous infantry?
I hope the dwarfs themselves are in the theme of the Ironbreaker and hammerer sets.

campaign update ....

Given the accuracy of the things gotten right in that rumour (sounds like someone got a brief glimpse), I think the "golem with a platform" is the magmadroth. Looks like stone (though partially molten), has runes and a platform.

 reds8n wrote:
campaign update ....

I think whoever typed out the rules paragraph of that got somewhat distracted by the high cut of Alarielle's dress and thigh there.

Chikout wrote:
I know the rumour is unlikely especially given the source, but I shared it as the other two parts of that post came true. If those were guesses I want that person buying my lottery tickets. Archaon is seperpentine, it does have massive wings, it does have multiple heads.

The boar riders are heavily armoured and the riders are leaning forward in their saddles. Also new boar riders was a strange thing to predict giving the existing, very good boar rider sculpts.
It all reads like someone really did get a peak into the design studio. That combined with the rumours of steam punk duardin suggests the golem could finally become reality.

Of course if they saw a cad image on a computer, there is no guarantee it would eventually become a model. I imagine they throw out concepts all the time.

You are right, it is a list of valid rumors. Fingers crossed for Duardin models

The buff for the Blessed Host Warscroll from the Stormcast Start Collecting box is not that bad:

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
The buff for the Blessed Host Warscroll from the Stormcast Start Collecting box is not that bad:

Oh dear LORD the stacking bonus of the Castellant just made Liberators 2+ save rerolling 1s...

Just remember that Start Collecting box Battalions don't have points and therefore can't be used in Matched Play.

They really do not want you to play anyhing else do they lol. Matched play sigmarines cant die now lol.

OgreChubbs wrote:
They really do not want you to play anyhing else do they lol. Matched play sigmarines cant die now lol.

Not to undervalue the amazingly good armor saves, but as mentioned above these "Start Collecting!" Battalion warscrolls do NOT have point values, and thus aren't usable in Matched Play. That said, the +1 to save roll applies only to a single unit chosen by the Lord-Castellant. The 3+ saves apply only to ONE unit of liberators, prosecutors, and retributors within 12" of him. If you kill him you solve the problem completely (easier said than done, but HE doesn't get the rerollable 2+ save).

Oh, but you know they will be putting points on them eventually.

Is there a unit requirement for that one, or just the Hero?

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Oh, but you know they will be putting points on them eventually.

No, they won't. They've said they're only adding points to Battalions found in Battletomes and Grand Alliance books.

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Oh, but you know they will be putting points on them eventually.

Is there a unit requirement for that one, or just the Hero?

I actually don't expect point values for those box-exclusive warscrolls. I think those are just a gimmicky bonus they give so you can have fun with your new collection.
The scroll requires 1 Lord-Castellant, 1 unit of Liberators, 1 unit of Prosecutors, and 1 unit of Retributors.

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Oh, but you know they will be putting points on them eventually.

They didn't do points for any of the Start Collecting Battalions that existed before TGH came out, I doubt they would retroactively add points for the new ones.

 Uriels_Flame wrote:

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
The buff for the Blessed Host Warscroll from the Stormcast Start Collecting box is not that bad:

Oh dear LORD the stacking bonus of the Castellant just made Liberators 2+ save rerolling 1s...

Eh... my wife rolls with 2+/rerollable Saurus Guard ALL the time... so I am well versed in unkillable battle-line troops. :-p

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
The buff for the Blessed Host Warscroll from the Stormcast Start Collecting box is not that bad:

Oh dear LORD the stacking bonus of the Castellant just made Liberators 2+ save rerolling 1s...

Eh... my wife rolls with 2+/rerollable Saurus Guard ALL the time... so I am well versed in unkillable battle-line troops. :-p

You forgot to add "almost rend immune" to that.

The Age of Sigmar Open Day guests have been announced.

Laughatdo0m wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
They really do not want you to play anyhing else do they lol. Matched play sigmarines cant die now lol.

Not to undervalue the amazingly good armor saves, but as mentioned above these "Start Collecting!" Battalion warscrolls do NOT have point values, and thus aren't usable in Matched Play. That said, the +1 to save roll applies only to a single unit chosen by the Lord-Castellant. The 3+ saves apply only to ONE unit of liberators, prosecutors, and retributors within 12" of him. If you kill him you solve the problem completely (easier said than done, but HE doesn't get the rerollable 2+ save).

Sorry I ment they do not want you to play anything but matched play.

OgreChubbs wrote:

Laughatdo0m wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
They really do not want you to play anyhing else do they lol. Matched play sigmarines cant die now lol.

Not to undervalue the amazingly good armor saves, but as mentioned above these "Start Collecting!" Battalion warscrolls do NOT have point values, and thus aren't usable in Matched Play. That said, the +1 to save roll applies only to a single unit chosen by the Lord-Castellant. The 3+ saves apply only to ONE unit of liberators, prosecutors, and retributors within 12" of him. If you kill him you solve the problem completely (easier said than done, but HE doesn't get the rerollable 2+ save).

Sorry I ment they do not want you to play anything but matched play.

Yeah but their point was that this battalion warscroll isn't usable in matched play as it doesn't have points and there aren't plans to give them points as far as we know.

I can get to 2+ saves, rerolling 1s with my Dryads too if they're in Cover.

Also I didnt even really look at the papers in my Sylvaneth Start Collecting box. Didn't realize there were extra rules or anything in there.

The "guardians of alarielle" battalion does have matched play points and allows you to have the liberators getting 2+ rerollable saves nonsense the start collecting box gives (3" less range), in addition to giving the lord castellant a 2+ save. The warscroll is 120 points though; but probably worth it.

Laughatdo0m wrote:
The "guardians of alarielle" battalion does have matched play points and allows you to have the liberators getting 2+ rerollable saves nonsense the start collecting box gives (3" less range), in addition to giving the lord castellant a 2+ save. The warscroll is 120 points though; but probably worth it.

Unless I'm missing something, That's not fully rerollable and only on a single unit?
Basic save of 4+, rerolling ones if shields.
+1sv any STORMCAST unit within 9" of Grymm.
+1sv with Castellant lantern ability on single unit within 12".

Is it too bad of me to be desperate about new rumours and/or confirmation and details of Steamhead Duardin? Please, oh please Sad Panda!

Turgol wrote:
Is it too bad of me to be desperate about new rumours and/or confirmation and details of Steamhead Duardin? Please, oh please Sad Panda!

Seconded. I have been holding off buying some Sylvaneth in case this is a real thing. The eternal problem with the current GW rumour policy is that I rarely buy anything in case I regret my purchase after seeing what's coming two months later. This has happened before more than once.

Since we at least two Chikout, you might find a little speculation of mine regarding the Steamhead Duardin interesting. Maybe Sad Panda will read it and discard it/confirm part of it. I posted it on TGA, but though it might be of interest here as well:

Assumptions for the speculation:

-They will be released soon

-It is a whole faction made up of duardin

-It centres around metal and steampunk

What do you think will be included in them?

Let's see first the current range of Duardin miniatures, since some may be integrated into them.

-Sure integration: Cogsmith (formerly: Grimlock), Ironwardens (metal + steampunk), Ironbreakers (same box after all!)

-Likely integration: Gyrocopter/Gyrobomber (steampunk); Warden King (formerly Belegar: very metal); Organ Gun and Cannon

-Unlikely but possible integration: Hammerers/Longbeards (as old dwarf as it gets, but they are rather new boxes!), quarellers/handgunners

So let`s say only the "sure integration" and "likely integration" categoris fall there. We then have a faction with two battleline units (under faction, not GA), two characters and two machines.

What is it missing?

-New super expensive center model. GRUGNI IN A GOLEM! Rumoured for a while now and though it may be just wishful thinking, seems plausible.

-New elite units. I would go with two: super though infantry (like even more elite Ironbreakers, just like Brutes are even more elite Black Orcs); and super steampunky shooters. Rumour (from Natfka and BOLS): there will be dwarfs with something that looks like Jetpacks and more modern looking guns.

There you have three new boxes. Not counting smaller characters, both Sylvaneth and Ironjaws had the same. Which makes a big, cool new faction if you just add two or three small box/clampack generic heroes.

New rules for the Death Faction for Season of War have popped up on AOS FB!

Pic:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Pic:

*Rushes to get mannfred ready*

Exclusive miniature from the upcoming Open Day. More details to be revealed Friday.

Judging by the outline, I can guarantee its an Orruk Warboss.

I don't know man, it might be a preview of the much anticipated Tzeentch!


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On a serious note, does anyone else feel overwhelmed at the amount of content for AoS??

Like in 8th all you needed was the rule book and your army book. Now I need publications from all over..

OMG exclusive Stormcast Celestant I can't wait to get him on ebay! Might start a new chapt, err, chamber led by him! Hype!







Said noone ever


It's preferableto an exclusive mini I really want, though. I'm still bitter I never managed to get Archaon on foot.

Chopxsticks wrote:
I don't know man, it might be a preview of the much anticipated Tzeentch!


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On a serious note, does anyone else feel overwhelmed at the amount of content for AoS??

Like in 8th all you needed was the rule book and your army book. Now I need publications from all over..

I mostly ignored 8th and fell out of the GW loop during that time, but seeing all the special batallions or whatever they're called in the app makes me not want to use such rules. A ton of interesting ones for Nurgle (the names at least) but you'd have to buy several hundred currencies worth of books to get them and AoS background just doesn't interest me. Some of the battletomes that I skimmed had interesting ideas and bits, but the whole thing falls flat for me. I could buy them in the app that crashes every time I open it since the latest updated, of course. Sure thing, GW, sure thing.

Sticking with just warscrolls without any formations is fine with me ATM, it's not like the rules are great in the first place. I can't complain anymore, though, because the lightweight rules and super duper killy everything made my brother willing to start playing. Even bought a SC Sylvaneth of his own volition. He's part of the problem At least he still likes the old fluff better.

Chopxsticks wrote:
I don't know man, it might be a preview of the much anticipated Tzeentch!


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On a serious note, does anyone else feel overwhelmed at the amount of content for AoS??

Like in 8th all you needed was the rule book and your army book. Now I need publications from all over..

You only need the Generals Handbook and either the app or the battletome(s) for your force.

Chopxsticks wrote:
On a serious note, does anyone else feel overwhelmed at the amount of content for AoS??

Like in 8th all you needed was the rule book and your army book. Now I need publications from all over..

All you absolutely need to play are the free rules and the free Warscrolls. For Matched Play all you need is the General's Handbook and the appropriate Battletome or Grand Alliance book. The rules are hardly 'all over the place'.

 Ghaz wrote:

Chopxsticks wrote:
On a serious note, does anyone else feel overwhelmed at the amount of content for AoS??

Like in 8th all you needed was the rule book and your army book. Now I need publications from all over..

All you absolutely need to play are the free rules and the free Warscrolls. For Matched Play all you need is the General's Handbook and the appropriate Battletome or Grand Alliance book. The rules are hardly 'all over the place'.

You don't even need the Battletome if you don't care about the Battalions or Allegiance items. If you want to play Open, you just need the free rules and pdfs (or app). If you want to play Matched, you need to buy exactly one book (or buy the extension for the app). If you want more, that's up to you.

I'll admit to being overwhelmed by the amount of BL AoS fiction that's come out, although that may just be me and my work schedule holding me back.

Which BL AoS books are worth reading? I just started Stormcast and I rather like their lore, is it better to pick up the books or the campaigns?

Requizen wrote:
Which BL AoS books are worth reading? I just started Stormcast and I rather like their lore, is it better to pick up the books or the campaigns?

I liked the audio dramas the most, which are available now as books (at least digitally, not sure on standard print).

 nels1031 wrote:

Requizen wrote:
Which BL AoS books are worth reading? I just started Stormcast and I rather like their lore, is it better to pick up the books or the campaigns?

I liked the audio dramas the most, which are available now as books (at least digitally, not sure on standard print).

The Hunt for Nagash and Knights of Vengeance stuff is pretty good listening IMO. Helped me paint up a good amount of my Stormcast stuff.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 nels1031 wrote:

Requizen wrote:
Which BL AoS books are worth reading? I just started Stormcast and I rather like their lore, is it better to pick up the books or the campaigns?

I liked the audio dramas the most, which are available now as books (at least digitally, not sure on standard print).

The Hunt for Nagash and Knights of Vengeance stuff is pretty good listening IMO. Helped me paint up a good amount of my Stormcast stuff.

Yup I give a for the audio dramas. Nagash's voice actor killed it in those. The new lord of Undeath book finishes that plot off somewhat.

Now the books I would recommend? Call of Archaon, Lord of Undeath, Blade Storm, Warbeast and fury of Gork. Those are my favorites.

Erm you should read the campaign books and the BL novels if you want to full scope of what's going on in AOS.

That helmetless Celestant is badass, finally a human face on these guys.

That's a much better Warhammer world exclusive than those two SM bling wagons. I'll probably pick one up the next time I'm down that way.

 nels1031 wrote:
I'll admit to being overwhelmed by the amount of BL AoS fiction that's come out, although that may just be me and my work schedule holding me back.

I'm underwhelmed NEED MORE

War beast by Gav Thorpe is good. Of all the black library guys, Josh Reynolds seems to have the best sense of what AOS is all about. I especially enjoyed Fury of Gork ( a bit short though)

Its from FW or GW ? : /
Resin or plastic?

Oooh. Daddy like. Much nicer than the hammer cloak guy on foot!

Yay! Sigmarines now have an Emperors Champion!

That's the FW Open Day figure that's coming out on the 13th IIRC

While the armor still suffers from GW syndrome, the mini is interesting as it is the first Stormcast sans helmet. So it turns out they are pretty much just fantasy marines (engineered super warriors, yadda yadda). However, I really like that they painted it as a non-white bald man. At least a nod to diversity! Now if we could only get some non-stripperific female warriors sans boobplate.....

 jmurph wrote:
While the armor still suffers from GW syndrome, the mini is interesting as it is the first Stormcast sans helmet. So it turns out they are pretty much just fantasy marines (engineered super warriors, yadda yadda). However, I really like that they painted it as a non-white bald man. At least a nod to diversity! Now if we could only get some non-stripperific female warriors sans boobplate.....

Bald? He has hair.

Um... it looks like a photoshop to me, but maybe it's just me.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Um... it looks like a photoshop to me, but maybe it's just me.

Yes. The pic zamerion posted is photoshopped.

It's the photo FW posted of the blacked out model, with the contrast adjusted to show the model better I think.

 jmurph wrote:
While the armor still suffers from GW syndrome, the mini is interesting as it is the first Stormcast sans helmet. So it turns out they are pretty much just fantasy marines (engineered super warriors, yadda yadda). However, I really like that they painted it as a non-white bald man. At least a nod to diversity! Now if we could only get some non-stripperific female warriors sans boobplate.....

They don't even have to make new models in the Stormcasts case, just write some into the background. Suites of magical plate armour with sculpted pecs and face plates are pretty good at hiding the wearers sex after all.

 jmurph wrote:
However, I really like that they painted it as a non-white bald man. At least a nod to diversity! Now if we could only get some non-stripperific female warriors sans boobplate.....

That could be a female. For someone who doesn't want boob plate armour, you sure do seem you want a sexy female though. That mini could be a female grunting just before the fatal blow.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Oooh. Daddy like. Much nicer than the hammer cloak guy on foot!

yeah, i can dig this guy, but "hammer cloak" dude was an easy pass for me...
if i ever do get one, the wee hammers will be getting le chop...

i like the pose on this one...
not sure i want bare heads on my Stormcast, though...
i like the mystery of every one having a face mask...
are they soulless automatons, or great human heroes...you decide

cheers
jah

@jah-joshua: He'd be getting a helmet on him for sure. I'd want him to look something like my AoS starter Dracoth Lord Celestant.

 jah-joshua wrote:

are they soulless automatons, or great human heroes...you decide

cheers
jah

Soulless automatons.

*edit*

Spelling.

Davor wrote:

 jmurph wrote:
However, I really like that they painted it as a non-white bald man. At least a nod to diversity! Now if we could only get some non-stripperific female warriors sans boobplate.....

That could be a female. For someone who doesn't want boob plate armour, you sure do seem you want a sexy female though. That mini could be a female grunting just before the fatal blow.

Wasn't specifically referring to Stormcast (who should probably be pretty androgynous anyway). I would have loved to see some female Greatswords. Presently, female line troops seem pretty rare outside of elves, and those of the dark elf variety are pretty much the definition of stripperific.

 jmurph wrote:

Davor wrote:

 jmurph wrote:
However, I really like that they painted it as a non-white bald man. At least a nod to diversity! Now if we could only get some non-stripperific female warriors sans boobplate.....

That could be a female. For someone who doesn't want boob plate armour, you sure do seem you want a sexy female though. That mini could be a female grunting just before the fatal blow.

Wasn't specifically referring to Stormcast (who should probably be pretty androgynous anyway). I would have loved to see some female Greatswords. Presently, female line troops seem pretty rare outside of elves, and those of the dark elf variety are pretty much the definition of stripperific.

Fair enough. Thing is with Stormcasts, all are not human, so why put an Orruk or Alef in human form? This makes no sense to me at all. After all, Stormcasts are not all human but abducted from all the living I thought.

Davor wrote:

 jah-joshua wrote:

are they soulless automatons, or great human heroes...you decide

cheers
jah

Souls automatons.

Actually considering the storyline, both are true (Though not the human part). As they die and are reforged, Nagash steals parts of the soul he can out of spite (Because they are HIS and not that barbarian who steals them from him as he thinks). So they slowly become more and more.. Well I guess Necronlike would be a good example. Harsh, objective, uncaring, only dedicated towards the mission without caring for those who serve them, serve besides them or otherwise.

zamerion wrote:


Its from FW or GW ? : /
Resin or plastic?

Blood angel primarch is missing its wings (at least that is what i would use it for

 jmurph wrote:

Davor wrote:

 jmurph wrote:
However, I really like that they painted it as a non-white bald man. At least a nod to diversity! Now if we could only get some non-stripperific female warriors sans boobplate.....

That could be a female. For someone who doesn't want boob plate armour, you sure do seem you want a sexy female though. That mini could be a female grunting just before the fatal blow.

Wasn't specifically referring to Stormcast (who should probably be pretty androgynous anyway). I would have loved to see some female Greatswords. Presently, female line troops seem pretty rare outside of elves, and those of the dark elf variety are pretty much the definition of stripperific.

So you're just assuming that they identify as male then?

Obviously fake.. there are no humans with dark skin in GW worlds! Except for authorized exceptions such as the Salamanders.

The warrior priest from the Silver Tower game would like to have a word with you.

Binabik15 wrote:
OMG exclusive Stormcast Celestant I can't wait to get him on ebay! Might start a new chapt, err, chamber led by him! Hype!


Said noone ever

There's actually been alot of requests made on the FW facebook for them to make Stormcast heroes. So this model has certainly pleased quite a few players.

Cataphract wrote:

 nels1031 wrote:
I'll admit to being overwhelmed by the amount of BL AoS fiction that's come out, although that may just be me and my work schedule holding me back.

I'm underwhelmed NEED MORE

Haha, I hear that!

There's also a Lord Celestant with greatsword in one of the novels, which always struck me as a 'we haven't released this model yet but it exists' sort of thing.

official pic

We teased you about it on Wednesday, and now we can reveal the new Stormcast Eternal Errant-Questor!

This Warhammer World Exclusive miniature will be available for the first time on August 13th at the Warhammer Age of Sigmar Open Day, along with some other items perfect for Ironjawz fans.

I assume he's plastic then?

If it's FW then I don't think it would be plastic.

I'm really glad that they're showing a Stormcast Eternal without a helmet. In a way, it would make an SE army more interesting by showing the uniqueness of each warrior and their individual backgrounds, also just making the figures stand out more on the battlefield.

That being said, it's a fun miniature.

More interested in the "...along with some other items perfect for Ironjawz fans." part.

Nice that he is pretty easy to kit-bash with a mixture of the Lord Celestant and Liberator kits (or any of the kits with a Grandblade) and a Blood Angel head.

Now to wait for his Warscroll...

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Nice that he is pretty easy to kit-bash with a mixture of the Lord Celestant and Liberator kits (or any of the kits with a Grandblade) and a Blood Angel head.

Now to wait for his Warscroll...

Might struggle a bit though for the cloak.

I Always like bare heads better for giving the models some personality.
But in a way its terrible for the stormcasts -should you glue on duardin,aelf, and seraphon heads popping out of the armour?
The other alternative is to say they are all reshaped as spacemarines, but in that case they should all be identical, kind of.

Actually, as I write it, I realise Id love some Lizard stormcast! Might have to fix up the starter Stormcast as such

Love the fact the Stormcast is bare-headed. I also thought about doing a series of Stormcast models with bare heads and painting them with black skin. I would prefer to have bald heads and more African features - but I guess this model can be painted white or black and still look good (he looks Indian to my eyes).

whats the iron jawz stuff...id be down for some of that orruk action

To answer the questions, a lot of them are answered on the Facebook post it is on. The model is confirmed to be plastic. The Ironjawz stuff is going to be a T-shirt and a Waaagh! Mug (don't know what makes it Waaagh!.)

And as for why aren't some Stormcast Aelves or Dwarves, on their Warscrolls they say Human as one of the keywords.

Sining wrote:

 jmurph wrote:

Davor wrote:

 jmurph wrote:
However, I really like that they painted it as a non-white bald man. At least a nod to diversity! Now if we could only get some non-stripperific female warriors sans boobplate.....

That could be a female. For someone who doesn't want boob plate armour, you sure do seem you want a sexy female though. That mini could be a female grunting just before the fatal blow.

Wasn't specifically referring to Stormcast (who should probably be pretty androgynous anyway). I would have loved to see some female Greatswords. Presently, female line troops seem pretty rare outside of elves, and those of the dark elf variety are pretty much the definition of stripperific.

So you're just assuming that they identify as male then?

It's a reasonable enough assumption because the fluff always refers to Stormcasts in the masculine tense when it comes out, even when just talking about the concept or term or nature of "Stormcasts" in general rather than individual Stormcasts.

 reds8n wrote:
official pic

We teased you about it on Wednesday, and now we can reveal the new Stormcast Eternal Errant-Questor!

This Warhammer World Exclusive miniature will be available for the first time on August 13th at the Warhammer Age of Sigmar Open Day, along with some other items perfect for Ironjawz fans.

I like it, probably my favorite Stormcast Eternal so far. It's a shame that it's an event exclusive for now. I'm thinking when it becomes available from the webstore I'll get it along with a box of Stormcast Paladins and some Blood Angels heads from Ebay and make nice thematic unit.

Prestor Jon wrote:

 reds8n wrote:
official pic

We teased you about it on Wednesday, and now we can reveal the new Stormcast Eternal Errant-Questor!

This Warhammer World Exclusive miniature will be available for the first time on August 13th at the Warhammer Age of Sigmar Open Day, along with some other items perfect for Ironjawz fans.

I like it, probably my favorite Stormcast Eternal so far. It's a shame that it's an event exclusive for now. I'm thinking when it becomes available from the webstore I'll get it along with a box of Stormcast Paladins and some Blood Angels heads from Ebay and make nice thematic unit.

It's not event exclusive, it's Warhammer World exclusive.

Is this guy's head the same size as a space marine's? From the bare-headed Sigmarines that others made, I seem to recall that the proportions were the same.

 ImAGeek wrote:

Prestor Jon wrote:

 reds8n wrote:
official pic

We teased you about it on Wednesday, and now we can reveal the new Stormcast Eternal Errant-Questor!

This Warhammer World Exclusive miniature will be available for the first time on August 13th at the Warhammer Age of Sigmar Open Day, along with some other items perfect for Ironjawz fans.

I like it, probably my favorite Stormcast Eternal so far. It's a shame that it's an event exclusive for now. I'm thinking when it becomes available from the webstore I'll get it along with a box of Stormcast Paladins and some Blood Angels heads from Ebay and make nice thematic unit.

It's not event exclusive, it's Warhammer World exclusive.

My bad I got confused with Warhammer World and Warhammer Fest.

In regards to Stormcast race, I suspect it's a case of the vast majority (90+ percent) being human males such that while others exist they don't make it into model form. Though showing up in a novel would be nice...

I thought it was sort of heavily implied that the "reforging" process pretty much completely remakes them. They're all "blasted apart" and whatnot. It's not like they've done a diagram though. Good to finally see one without a hat on and dispel all the "rubric" bs.

So does this confirm they are space marines? Like before the emperor purged them all and remade them space marines?

They are just super soldiers who are redmade for the emperors glory........

 Kirasu wrote:
Obviously fake.. there are no humans with dark skin in GW worlds! Except for authorized exceptions such as the Salamanders.

And GW never gives out discounts either and free rules.


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 Bottle wrote:
Love the fact the Stormcast is bare-headed. I also thought about doing a series of Stormcast models with bare heads and painting them with black skin. I would prefer to have bald heads and more African features - but I guess this model can be painted white or black and still look good (he looks Indian to my eyes).

I have painted a few with the helmet on, but instead of painting the face as the rest of the mask/helmet, I painted the face skin colour so they are still wearing a helmet but just no mask.


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 reds8n wrote:
official pic

We teased you about it on Wednesday, and now we can reveal the new Stormcast Eternal Errant-Questor!

This Warhammer World Exclusive miniature will be available for the first time on August 13th at the Warhammer Age of Sigmar Open Day, along with some other items perfect for Ironjawz fans.

Why do I see this pic as a woman with a Romulan hair cut? I like it.

*edit* Weird quoted reds0n post, but pic doesn't show up.

OgreChubbs wrote:
So does this confirm they are space marines? Like before the emperor purged them all and remade them space marines?

They are just super soldiers who are redmade for the emperors glory........

Tough to be a space marine without the truck-ton of cybernetics, bio-engineered super organs and total mental reconditioning.

These guys just got a magic body upgrade and some lightning magic. I think even chaos chosen have more abilities and powers than they do.

Because he had the image as an attachment in the post, not a linked image. They don't show up if you quote it.

OgreChubbs wrote:
So does this confirm they are space marines? Like before the emperor purged them all and remade them space marines?

They are just super soldiers who are redmade for the emperors glory........

I mean, in design and intent sure, but in fluff not even close. To become a Space Marine, you have to be born on one of their recruitment worlds which can range from backwards and barbaric to a Hive World, then get selected, then go through a brutal training/indoctrination/surgical implantation process that kills more than half of the recruits (iirc). If you survive that, you go on what are essentially suicide missions because the Imperium tells you to, until you die and some dude with a white helmet harvests your organs to give to the next sod.

Stormcast Eternals are magically-infused humans who have great armor and weaponry and whose souls get zapped back to Sigmar when they die. They're mostly just humans with amazing gear and a respawn mechanic that consumes their humanity when they do it.

Haha, that was way better than my comment. Exalted.

I think the most shocking part of space marine initiation was when I read (from the Blood Ravens) that the marine is left completely cut open on the operating table without anything to dull the pain while the implants set-in.

I'll take being a red-shirt cannon fodder soldier over that agony any day.

Baron Klatz wrote:
Haha, that was way better than my comment. Exalted.

I think the most shocking part of space marine initiation was when I read (from the Blood Ravens) that the marine is left completely cut open on the operating table without anything to dull the pain while the implants set-in.

I'll take being a red-shirt cannon fodder soldier over that agony any day.

One other thing is that they also feel fear and they are male and female. GW on facebook pretty much hinted they could also be females under the armor(They also note they are also female in a campaign books and white dwarf) I also recall that sigmar has not opened the third chamber yet. I suspect that's where our female stormcast will be perhaps they might be the wizard/anti wizard chamber or they might be valkyrie like who knows. Sigmar is an equal opportunity employer now look at the new warrior priest from sliver tower. I really like the multi ethnicity now. You are also correct that strength wise they are about the same as a chaos warrior, mannfred also note's that he is faster and stronger than a lord celestant if people want to gauge the strength of a vampire.

One other note for some reason the bonesplitterz is sold out also the beast claw raiders bundle has got destroyed in terms of orders in several territories.

I'm thrilled to see helmless and darker skin tones in "men" and this is actually the color scheme for my next army of freemen, or whatever humanity ends up being called.

 VeteranNoob wrote:
I'm thrilled to see helmless and darker skin tones in "men" and this is actually the color scheme for my next army of freemen, or whatever humanity ends up being called.

It's the same with chaos as well now you got some with the old viking look but there are others mixed in if you look at the blood reaver box. Still I agree with you I am quite interested to see how they handle devoted of sigmar in the future.

In a superficial sense, Stormcast are very much fantasy Space Marines. They are superhuman; endowed with capabilities beyond a normal mortal, and have powerful equipment to boot. But beyond that the fluff gets progressively more different.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
In a superficial sense, Stormcast are very much fantasy Space Marines. They are superhuman; endowed with capabilities beyond a normal mortal, and have powerful equipment to boot. But beyond that the fluff gets progressively more different.

Yup let's be real here they were designed to appeal to space marine players. Yet fluff wise they are far apart as Gav Thorpe said fluff wise they are pretty much order versions of chaos warriors.

Sining wrote:
So you're just assuming that they identify as male then?

In some of the fiction(cant remember if it was Warbeast or one of the Bladestorm shorts) its mentioned that Stormcast rarely remove there armour. So they identify other Stormcast more by there voice and body language. So until GW contradict it, my headcannon is that they default to male pronouns and titles for simplicity's sake.

It kinda came full-circle, really.

> Fantasy is created and makes chaos knights which are popular.

> 40k is created and bases space marines off the chaos knights.

> AoS is created and bases fantasy warriors off of space marines to match chaos knights.

Also, new Ogor campaign buff is up on the facebook.

@Shinros, I hope valkyries make an appearance, would really add to Sigmar's Odin aesthetic and would be great for female players who have been asking for that.

Another thing, do you post on Facebook? I saw someone with a similar 3rd chamber theory post on there and wondered if it was you.

Nice to hear about the bonesplitters and Ogors selling well, the power of recycling indeed.

Baron Klatz wrote:
It kinda came full-circle, really.

> Fantasy is created and makes chaos knights which are popular.

> 40k is created and bases space marines off the chaos knights.

> AoS is created and bases fantasy warriors off of space marines to match chaos knights.

Also, new Ogor campaign buff is up on the facebook.

@Shinros, I hope valkyries make an appearance, would really add to Sigmar's Odin aesthetic and would be great for female players who have been asking for that.

Another thing, do you post on Facebook? I saw someone with a similar 3rd chamber theory post on there and wondered if it was you.

Nice to hear about the bonesplitters and Ogors selling well, the power of recycling indeed.

It was me. I recall them mentioning in the extremis book that sigmar had three chambers he opened the second one which is the dragon riders. Honestly you are right on the mark Gav pretty much said the same thing. If they do female stormcast I suspect a lot of sisters of battle players would buy them all up.

The everwinter is coming to help destruction I suspect that the ever winter was set up by Mork since he tricked an ogor into unleashing it.

Oh, cool! (Pun not intended)

Well since you're a Facebook goer would you be interested in posting some fan art in their visitor page for me?( I post that request before but nobody replied.)