The lack of foreknowledge on prices is a bit of a bummer, spesh as I'm doing another Loot Run that weekend.
I mean, Character Series aren't too bad, as one can make an educated guess going on previous releases (Amon was £30, therefore the next one will likely be £30 too.
But Dreads and up in size? Who knows. I was surprised the Telemon was £72 complete, and there were many online who thought I'd got it wrong - and fair enough on that count!
I would not expect too much new stuff being presented there ... if I remember the last Open Day was really uninteresting. They are not advertising showing new never seen before miniatures, so ...
Really sucks that they're not planning to port the Custodes and Sisters of Silence stuff from 30k over - no fluff reason it shouldn't still be around (that I know of) and the models are awesome, but I don't want to play Horus Heresy :(
Yeah, I have a sizeable Custodes force. Even if all they did was the Dreadnoughts and the Terminators I'd be happy. The Grav tanks, jet bikes, and bolter guys would be great too. I'm sure players would be happy even if they were 0-1 choices. Does FW just not like to sell more models?
They are glorious! Can't wait to see what the full kit looks like with the various weapon options.
Custodes Terminators are the things I've been waiting for since they announced they were doing Custodes. That and a Grav-Rhino, but I doubt we're getting that.
These are way cooler though and they look exactly like they should.
These indeed are great models. I just do not want to paint so much gold again. I am thinking about using a very dark red for the armor. There was a picture in Inferno showing Custodes with a black armor ... that would be a little too dark for my taste, but at least the fluff makes it possible to not go full gold all the time ...
Eldar Vampire Hunter wrote: Really sucks that they're not planning to port the Custodes and Sisters of Silence stuff from 30k over - no fluff reason it shouldn't still be around (that I know of) and the models are awesome, but I don't want to play Horus Heresy :(
Eldar Vampire Hunter wrote: Really sucks that they're not planning to port the Custodes and Sisters of Silence stuff from 30k over - no fluff reason it shouldn't still be around (that I know of) and the models are awesome, but I don't want to play Horus Heresy :(
H.B.M.C. wrote: They are glorious! Can't wait to see what the full kit looks like with the various weapon options.
Custodes Terminators are the things I've been waiting for since they announced they were doing Custodes. That and a Grav-Rhino, but I doubt we're getting that.
These are way cooler though and they look exactly like they should.
What are you picturing when you say "grav rhino" exactly? Because they have a bunch of hover-tanks including a transport and the spiritual successor to the legendary Grav-Attack tank already…. Are we talking a literal rhino with anti-gravity pads instead of tracks? I seriously doubt that is a thing that will happen.
Mr_Rose wrote: What are you picturing when you say "grav rhino" exactly? Because they have a bunch of hover-tanks including a transport and the spiritual successor to the legendary Grav-Attack tank already…. Are we talking a literal rhino with anti-gravity pads instead of tracks? I seriously doubt that is a thing that will happen.
Have you never seen the Grav Rhino from the Visions of Heresy art books?
Eldar Vampire Hunter wrote: Really sucks that they're not planning to port the Custodes and Sisters of Silence stuff from 30k over - no fluff reason it shouldn't still be around (that I know of) and the models are awesome, but I don't want to play Horus Heresy :(
Try taking a look at how many custodes and SoS models there, or units in Inferno, and then realise that almost none of them have rules for 40K.
Both factions were completely gutted during the HH, with the SoS actually abandoning the Imperium (some return during the Beast War, and Gulliman has started re-building them in Dark Imperium). We don't know how much of their equipment survived.
Mr_Rose wrote: What are you picturing when you say "grav rhino" exactly? Because they have a bunch of hover-tanks including a transport and the spiritual successor to the legendary Grav-Attack tank already…. Are we talking a literal rhino with anti-gravity pads instead of tracks? I seriously doubt that is a thing that will happen.
Have you never seen the Grav Rhino from the Visions of Heresy art books?
Spoiler:
One of my favorite quotes from Beast Arsies: ‘If those are Rhinos,’ Warfist said, ‘why are they flying?’
Mr_Rose wrote: What are you picturing when you say "grav rhino" exactly? Because they have a bunch of hover-tanks including a transport and the spiritual successor to the legendary Grav-Attack tank already…. Are we talking a literal rhino with anti-gravity pads instead of tracks? I seriously doubt that is a thing that will happen.
Have you never seen the Grav Rhino from the Visions of Heresy art books?
This, as nice as the FW vehicles are, there not these. The Terminators look great, wondering what other weapons options will be in the kit, not sold by the heavy flamer.
I guess I might have seen it in passing but never really processed it? Pretty much a rhino with grav plates for tracks, like I thought.
Compared to the Coronus or Kharon it seems boring enough that maybe no-one at Forge World wanted to sculpt it?
Maybe boring to you chief - for a lot of folk SoS/Custodes(since they seem to be making them into a sort of joint thingy now) without grav-Rhinos is like Space Marines without, you know, Rhinos.
Hell the only thing I like about the new Primaris tank is how easy it will be to convert it into a grav-Raider for Heresy.
I say this by the way as someone who really likes the Acquisitor: I preferred when what helped distinguish Custodes(and the Inquisition, Sisters, et al) was that they got the non-crap versions of STC vehicles, rather than every single faction getting their own wee special set of brand new designs.
Mr_Rose wrote: I guess I might have seen it in passing but never really processed it? Pretty much a rhino with grav plates for tracks, like I thought.
Compared to the Coronus or Kharon it seems boring enough that maybe no-one at Forge World wanted to sculpt it?
I know what you mean. We'll probably see something at some point, but the design and idea is so uninspired. Oh wow, an antigrav rhino.
Eldar Vampire Hunter wrote: Really sucks that they're not planning to port the Custodes and Sisters of Silence stuff from 30k over - no fluff reason it shouldn't still be around (that I know of) and the models are awesome, but I don't want to play Horus Heresy :(
Mr_Rose wrote: I guess I might have seen it in passing but never really processed it? Pretty much a rhino with grav plates for tracks, like I thought.
Compared to the Coronus or Kharon it seems boring enough that maybe no-one at Forge World wanted to sculpt it?
I know what you mean. We'll probably see something at some point, but the design and idea is so uninspired. Oh wow, an antigrav rhino.
It's charming in its badness. The blocky simplicity would make for great contrast alongisde the super ornate soldiers on the tabletop.
Eldar Vampire Hunter wrote: Really sucks that they're not planning to port the Custodes and Sisters of Silence stuff from 30k over - no fluff reason it shouldn't still be around (that I know of) and the models are awesome, but I don't want to play Horus Heresy :(
On the Codex FAQ, they confirm FW will be showing rules for their models in upcoming books and wont be in GW codex's. Maybe explains why we didn't see FoC last month since the Red Scorpions at least will have their own rules and chapter tactics, but wouldve been a bit weird having the book last month with all these new rules for a chapter all on their own, not to mention whatever the Tau and AM forces get.
Eldar Vampire Hunter wrote: Really sucks that they're not planning to port the Custodes and Sisters of Silence stuff from 30k over - no fluff reason it shouldn't still be around (that I know of) and the models are awesome, but I don't want to play Horus Heresy :(
Eldar Vampire Hunter wrote: Really sucks that they're not planning to port the Custodes and Sisters of Silence stuff from 30k over - no fluff reason it shouldn't still be around (that I know of) and the models are awesome, but I don't want to play Horus Heresy :(
Try taking a look at how many custodes and SoS models there, or units in Inferno, and then realise that almost none of them have rules for 40K.
His statement was he can't play custodes in 40k. It's not true. That is all.
No, his statement was that they're not porting over the 30K stuff.
Just getting into semantics now. Let's move on before this gets ugly. Back onto topic: Does anyone know if Custodes are included in the new SM codex yet?
I'm curious of the scale of the Custodes terminators. They look very reminiscent of the Cataphractii terminators, but I'm assuming they're much scaled up to their Custodes brethren?
Eldar Vampire Hunter wrote: Really sucks that they're not planning to port the Custodes and Sisters of Silence stuff from 30k over - no fluff reason it shouldn't still be around (that I know of) and the models are awesome, but I don't want to play Horus Heresy :(
Try taking a look at how many custodes and SoS models there, or units in Inferno, and then realise that almost none of them have rules for 40K.
His statement was he can't play custodes in 40k. It's not true. That is all.
No, his statement was that they're not porting over the 30K stuff.
Just getting into semantics now. Let's move on before this gets ugly. Back onto topic: Does anyone know if Custodes are included in the new SM codex yet?
Yodhrin wrote: Maybe boring to you chief - for a lot of folk SoS/Custodes(since they seem to be making them into a sort of joint thingy now) without grav-Rhinos is like Space Marines without, you know, Rhinos.
Not quite the same thing, though, brah. Space Marines have had Rhinos, and models for them for almost 30 years, while SoS/Custodes have never had models until last year. and have never had grav-rhino models, and that fluff isn't nearly as old or widespread. So, pretty bad comparison overall.
Yodhrin wrote: Maybe boring to you chief - for a lot of folk SoS/Custodes(since they seem to be making them into a sort of joint thingy now) without grav-Rhinos is like Space Marines without, you know, Rhinos.
Not quite the same thing, though, brah. Space Marines have had Rhinos, and models for them for almost 30 years, while SoS/Custodes have never had models until last year. and have never had grav-rhino models, and that fluff isn't nearly as old or widespread. So, pretty bad comparison overall.
Only because you draw an artificial distinction between fluff & art, and models. As they had existed, for as long as they had existed in the modern form, the two things were synonymous, and I don't see why someone's appreciation for them in that format is somehow devalued by models not previously existing. A fair few folk were very much anticipating the point when FW got around to doing Custodes & SoS models exactly because they appeared to be being so faithful to the art & fluff that had come before in most cases, and so there was a reasonable expectation the same would be true for those factions.
Actually come to think of it, I recall a fair few Legion players being pissy about the Dildobikes when they came out since they didn't really resemble either the old RT jetbike models or the artwork of jetbikes from the HH artbooks - was their regret that the established version wasn't the basis for the models also unjustified?
Accolade wrote: I'm curious of the scale of the Custodes terminators. They look very reminiscent of the Cataphractii terminators, but I'm assuming they're much scaled up to their Custodes brethren?
They look like they're on 60mm (or at least bigger than 40mm.. do 50mm bases exist?) bases; if so then they're upscaled from normal terminators.
warboss wrote: They look like they're on 60mm (or at least bigger than 40mm.. do 50mm bases exist?) bases; if so then they're upscaled from normal terminators.
I believe that the DW:OK uhh, big genestealer guy was on a 50mm. Either way, I haven't seen a 40mm base with that injection point in the middle, so would tend to agree that it's probably not that.
Thanks for the confirmation! I suppose that's what they're on as it looked a bit off from 60mm visually in the proportions hence my question. I wasn't aware of the crisis suit change.
angelofvengeance wrote: @warboss: Yep. Kataphron Destroyers, Lord of Contagion, Genestealer Patriarch are all on 50s.
(Kataphron Destroyers are on 60mm bases.)
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possibly the Tech-Priest Dominus although mine came with a 40mm
Ahriman
Not loving whoever is doing these paintjobs :-( kinda ruins the model a bit for me, too chalky for a show piece model to attract you in to buy one. not that it's a bad paint job by any means, I just expect FW to be the upper echelon of models and inspiration. I mean I don't have anything I did on the site so I can't really talk......
warboss wrote: They look like they're on 60mm (or at least bigger than 40mm.. do 50mm bases exist?) bases; if so then they're upscaled from normal terminators.
They better be! Custodes are size wise supposed to be to marines what marines are to normal humans so the terminators should be notably bulkier than marine terminators.
And like the new TS character's head. Too bad we don't have TS force so not much point getting that model.
That thousands son character is pretty bad, weird face and details. And the cape is pretty...well bad (go look at the 360 spin). FWs sculpts overall have gotten worse over time (custodes being an exception) at least in terms of these character kits. I wonder if the loss of edgar skomorowski has something to do with it...
Thargrim wrote: That thousands son character is pretty bad, weird face and details. And the cape is pretty...well bad (go look at the 360 spin). FWs sculpts overall have gotten worse over time (custodes being an exception) at least in terms of these character kits. I wonder if the loss of edgar skomorowski has something to do with it...
Honestly, the sculpts aren't half as bad as they look with these wonky paintjobs.
Amon is getting a ton of hate here, which I can't understand. I love that model, everything about it is awesome. Granted, its details are a little crowded, but that seems fitting seeing as he is a scholar.
EmberlordofFire8 wrote: Amon is getting a ton of hate here, which I can't understand. I love that model, everything about it is awesome. Granted, its details are a little crowded, but that seems fitting seeing as he is a scholar.
I chalk alot of it up to the paint job, I think the unfinished models looks nice.
Thargrim wrote: That thousands son character is pretty bad, weird face and details. And the cape is pretty...well bad (go look at the 360 spin). FWs sculpts overall have gotten worse over time (custodes being an exception) at least in terms of these character kits. I wonder if the loss of edgar skomorowski has something to do with it...
Other than that really odd cape I think Amon looks great. Not great enough to justify spending 45 pounds on him though... I'm so glad Ahriman got a fantastic looking plastic release.
If FW keep up these steady price hikes then the last SM chapter to get the HH treatment will probably have characters the same price as a titan! Those poor White Scars players! (all two of them)
Wow....just read the IA: Chaos FAQ. I'd be unhappy if I owned a Chaos Cindocator Laser Destroyer. Gotta buy the loyalist index to get the rules for it.
So I have to wait another week for them to fix the two most badly edited and error filled indexes just so they can keep the power armour gang happy. Good game Forge World.
Loopstah wrote: So I have to wait another week for them to fix the two most badly edited and error filled indexes just so they can keep the power armour gang happy. Good game Forge World.
Loopstah wrote: So I have to wait another week for them to fix the two most badly edited and error filled indexes just so they can keep the power armour gang happy. Good game Forge World.
Release order.
I guess it would take an extra week to fix all the errors and mistakes in the xenos and AM books.
It seems pretty reasonable that SM and CSM get FAQs first, they were out first anf thus had more time to generate questions. I'm gonna guess that probably in a week or two the xenos and astra militarum faq will drop much like this one has, once a similar amount of time has passed.
I'm a big fan of the Sicarian chassis, with the Venator being my favorite SM tank, and the vanilla Sicarian being my second. I don't like this one as much as I do the others, however. Not sure why.
Interesting and intriguing background for the Arcus:
The Arcus Strike Tank has a shadowed past, viewed by the Mechanicum for reasons unknown as a slight against the Omnissiah. As a result, the adepts of the Machine God refuse to produce or repair these vehicles – without their ministrations, these advanced support platforms have degenerated, and their advanced armaments have been replaced with more common rotary launchers. This has done little to blunt the offensive capabilities of the Strike Tank, which is still able to race forward and unleash hails of area-saturation incendiary missiles.
Quasi-AI powered turret? A rather potent machine spirit?
Verviedi wrote: I'm a big fan of the Sicarian chassis, with the Venator being my favorite SM tank, and the vanilla Sicarian being my second. I don't like this one as much as I do the others, however. Not sure why.
Personally, I think it's because the hull is low and angular while the top is round and curved. Looks like a kitbash.
Verviedi wrote: I'm a big fan of the Sicarian chassis, with the Venator being my favorite SM tank, and the vanilla Sicarian being my second. I don't like this one as much as I do the others, however. Not sure why.
Personally, I think it's because the hull is low and angular while the top is round and curved. Looks like a kitbash.
IMO that's because this is a kitbash. Sorta like how they slammed every weapon combination onto their land raiders and sold them.
Verviedi wrote: I'm a big fan of the Sicarian chassis, with the Venator being my favorite SM tank, and the vanilla Sicarian being my second. I don't like this one as much as I do the others, however. Not sure why.
Personally, I think it's because the hull is low and angular while the top is round and curved. Looks like a kitbash.
IMO that's because this is a kitbash. Sorta like how they slammed every weapon combination onto their land raiders and sold them.
It is a kitbash - see my reference pic. One of the more prolific Instagram painters - who also was featured in White Dwarf with his HUGE army last year - posted a pic of his Sicaran with the turret swap. The guy owns like... six of every Titan and stuff. I am guessing it was them honoring his creation with an official release.
Really? I only really felt like the helios was that transparent (and it at least matches the armor style, even if it is a giant turret on top of a low tank)
Azreal13 wrote: Looks like it would be better suited with the guns flat rather than stuck up like that, kind of looks like they're stowed for transport in that pic.
Flat weapons? And risk it looking like a Tau weapon? No, sir.
Anyone have any experience with weathering powders? Was thinking of picking up a couple to try out, but really don't want to spend the cash if inks are superior.
Retrogamer0001 wrote: Anyone have any experience with weathering powders? Was thinking of picking up a couple to try out, but really don't want to spend the cash if inks are superior.
Inks and weathering powders are just vastly different in application. Dig up tutorials on powders first. They are unique in what they do and can be amazing, but take some getting used to.
Also, don't spend a fortune on FW powders (presumably your thinking, otherwise your thread choice for the post is a bit odd) when there's any number of quality powders you can access without the ludicrous premium you'll pay on postage as well as a higher than average price on the product (for no tangible advantage.)
Azreal13 wrote: Also, don't spend a fortune on FW powders (presumably your thinking, otherwise your thread choice for the post is a bit odd) when there's any number of quality powders you can access without the ludicrous premium you'll pay on postage as well as a higher than average price on the product (for no tangible advantage.)
True, this probably isn't the place for this question, just kinda saw the FW thread and jumped in. I don't find FW postage to be that bad, but adding in the taxes is a bit crazy when they're in another country entirely. What other brand would you recommend if not FW?
Mig or Ak interactive are great with a good variety of colors, but frankly if you just want to experiment get a model you don't care about and some natural colored pastel chalks from an art store, grind them into a powder and go play. If you like what you produce, then a finer grade to allow for more subtlety that you get with "proper" powder is probably worth spending on.
Azreal13 wrote: Mig or Ak interactive are great with a good variety of colors, but frankly if you just want to experiment get a model you don't care about and some natural colored pastel chalks from an art store, grind them into a powder and go play. If you like what you produce, then a finer grade to allow for more subtlety that you get with "proper" powder is probably worth spending on.
Mig productions has gone out of business and AK interactive had shenanigans involved. Mig's put out another new company - Ammo by Mig
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Azreal13 wrote: Also, don't spend a fortune on FW powders (presumably your thinking, otherwise your thread choice for the post is a bit odd) when there's any number of quality powders you can access without the ludicrous premium you'll pay on postage as well as a higher than average price on the product (for no tangible advantage.)
This all over. Forgeworld are alright, but more expensive and no comparison to some of the others on the market
Azreal13 wrote: Mig or Ak interactive are great with a good variety of colors, but frankly if you just want to experiment get a model you don't care about and some natural colored pastel chalks from an art store, grind them into a powder and go play. If you like what you produce, then a finer grade to allow for more subtlety that you get with "proper" powder is probably worth spending on.
Azreal13 wrote: Mig or Ak interactive are great with a good variety of colors, but frankly if you just want to experiment get a model you don't care about and some natural colored pastel chalks from an art store, grind them into a powder and go play. If you like what you produce, then a finer grade to allow for more subtlety that you get with "proper" powder is probably worth spending on.
Mig productions has gone out of business and AK interactive had shenanigans involved. Mig's put out another new company - Ammo by Mig
Well I kinda meant Mig as in "Mig Jimenez" rather than any specific brand, but yes, Ammo is the current one, although there was plenty of Mig Productions stuff still in channel when I last went shopping for weathering stuff 6 months or so ago.
I've only bought AK Interactive in stock through third party retail, so have been insulated from any shenanigans, is there a short 'don't drag the thread too much further off topic' summary somewhere?
Well, I thought it pertinent as you mentioned company names not the individual. But yes, I will shut my trap lest I summon Alph and his pictures and threats of Bane...
Azreal13 wrote: Also, don't spend a fortune on FW powders (presumably your thinking, otherwise your thread choice for the post is a bit odd) when there's any number of quality powders you can access without the ludicrous premium you'll pay on postage as well as a higher than average price on the product (for no tangible advantage.)
This is great advice.
The biggest reason I, personally, own a number of the FW powders is that I find them to be a bit more consistent than a few other companies I tried for certain colors(notably their ash and soot powders).
Azreal13 wrote: Also, don't spend a fortune on FW powders (presumably your thinking, otherwise your thread choice for the post is a bit odd) when there's any number of quality powders you can access without the ludicrous premium you'll pay on postage as well as a higher than average price on the product (for no tangible advantage.)
This is great advice.
The biggest reason I, personally, own a number of the FW powders is that I find them to be a bit more consistent than a few other companies I tried for certain colors(notably their ash and soot powders).
Aren't FW paints and powders repackaged Vallejo though?
Azreal13 wrote: Also, don't spend a fortune on FW powders (presumably your thinking, otherwise your thread choice for the post is a bit odd) when there's any number of quality powders you can access without the ludicrous premium you'll pay on postage as well as a higher than average price on the product (for no tangible advantage.)
This is great advice.
The biggest reason I, personally, own a number of the FW powders is that I find them to be a bit more consistent than a few other companies I tried for certain colors(notably their ash and soot powders).
Aren't FW paints and powders repackaged Vallejo though?
They're repackaged somebody, don't know who specifically(haven't looked too deeply into it).
I've tried Tamiya and Vallejo powders and there was, at times, a notable difference in terms of the texture and color from the same color bought within a few months time from the same company. It could have been bad luck or whatever, that's just my personal experience. I don't care who you give your money to at the end of the day.
Find the powders you want to use/work with. I, personally, like FW's when it comes to ash/soot and the faded green. I have Vallejo for mud and sand.
TheCustomLime wrote: That has to be one of the goofiest looking tanks I've ever seen. The sheer size of that gatling gun is ridiculous and impractical.
I want three.
Nonsense, anything fielded by the imperium is neither ridiculous nor impractical, and you should get four.
That tank should become an unofficial Dakka mascot. In Horus Heresy games it puts out 18 shots. Add in 4 heavy bolters (or 3 heavy bolters and an assault cannon if you're blood angels) for a nice big fat 30 shots. That's a lot of bullets for one tank!
zedmeister wrote: That tank should become an unofficial Dakka mascot. In Horus Heresy games it puts out 18 shots. Add in 4 heavy bolters (or 3 heavy bolters and an assault cannon if you're blood angels) for a nice big fat 30 shots. That's a lot of bullets for one tank!
If the gatling gun was centre mounted on the turret, I could like it. However, the angled bracket just looks impractical on a vehicle that is otherwise superb.
That missile variant is just odd, why fire multiple mini missiles out of earch barrel?
The plasma variant looks to be the best of the new three though. It maintains the look of the original but changes the primary loadout, similar to the deredeo's autocannon / plasma / las options.
RiTides wrote: I love that tank so much! Is there any way Mechanicum can take it?
Ask and ye shall receive...
Mechanicum red book Page 33 - Calleb Decimas Isstvan 3 army list restrictions - can take 0-1 heavy support choice from the space marine legion army list with the tank type only
They didn't fix Renegade Militia having all their upgrades refer to cultists so technically militia squads still can't take special weapons, vox, icons or champion items.
RiTides wrote: I love that tank so much! Is there any way Mechanicum can take it?
Ask and ye shall receive...
Mechanicum red book Page 33 - Calleb Decimas Isstvan 3 army list restrictions - can take 0-1 heavy support choice from the space marine legion army list with the tank type only
Hehe good point! It's a little too corner case for me to actually pull the trigger on, though, since that army list invalidates a lot of my other stuff. Thanks for the tip, though
Y'vahrah/R'varnah got better thanks to shield donres and shielded missile drones. They have a 5+ feel no pain so when the shielded drone takes a hit they actually get a save against the mortal wound now. 5+.
I hope this change follows its way over to all shields drones.
Its mostly just errata to fix the obvious mistakes, the tiger shark can now move and fire macro weapons, Culln and Moloc can deep strike, the DKoK have access to earthshaker carriages, R'lai's drones do things now, the fire support hammerhead got a price cut.
Its mostly just errata to fix the obvious mistakes, the tiger shark can now move and fire macro weapons, Culln and Moloc can deep strike, the DKoK have access to earthshaker carriages, R'lai's drones do things now, the fire support hammerhead got a price cut.
If someone has a FB to let them know about that, that would be swell. It'd be weird for Tyberos to be the only one not to get the wound bonus. Not that he needs it too much (he DOES have more attacks than usual) but I like consistency.
Apparently they gave Huron and Carab Deep Strike, so I'm happy about that at least.
Do Earthshaker Batteries still not benefit at all from a Master of Ordnance? I sent them an email but no response, and with this second wave of FAQ I still don't see anything about this.
Mostly pleased with Tau changes. Some stuff remain, though:
- Y'vhara Nova'ing 1 or 2 weapons
- High-intensity markerlight is hot garbage
- R'varna costing 1 PL less than a Y'vhara, but more than 30p than the latter
- XV9 Hazard keeping their T5 from 7th, when every other battlesuit got a Toughenss upgrade in 8th
- Tigershark Fighter-Bomber having Ld7 while the AX-1-0 has 8 (why the difference? They're exactly the same model with different upgrades)
- Heavy Gun Drones missing Stable Platform and their own markerlights not helping the unit
- R'alai EMP weapon and Y'vahra's Ionic Discharge Cannon still have wonky 'haywire' rules (worse than any other in the game)
That aside, really liking their attention to the questions people have been sending them!
For you Ork players, the FAQ states that your missing datasheets will be on FW site/WarCom.
It states for Mega-dreadz, battlefortresses, and grot bomb launchas batteries which is good, let's just hope they will not forget
gunwagonz, guntruckks and looted wagonz this time again!
For you Ork players, the FAQ states that your missing datasheets will be on FW site/WarCom.
It states for Mega-dreadz, battlefortresses, and grot bomb launchas batteries which is good, let's just hope they will not forget
gunwagonz, guntruckks and looted wagonz this time again!
Also Mekboy Junkas, which I think were a really cool vehicle. The Forge World flyers as well.
Guntrukks you'd think we'd get, because they effectively have a model since Forge World sells Trukks and sells artillery pieces designed to be placed in the back of them.
Gunwagons I'm not sure if we'll get or not. How long has it been since they sold those models? They haven't sold Battle Fortresses in a while either, but maybe they're putting out rules for it since the Skull Hamma is a looted Baneblade? Did they ever make an official Mekboy Junka model?
Looted Wagons I have a feeling we won't get, but it would be a pleasant surprise if we did.
This is pure conjecture, but I wonder if GW/FW will put out rules for OOP models that have Power Level values but never get points for more competitive matched play?
For you Ork players, the FAQ states that your missing datasheets will be on FW site/WarCom.
It states for Mega-dreadz, battlefortresses, and grot bomb launchas batteries which is good, let's just hope they will not forget
gunwagonz, guntruckks and looted wagonz this time again!
Also Mekboy Junkas, which I think were a really cool vehicle. The Forge World flyers as well.
Guntrukks you'd think we'd get, because they effectively have a model since Forge World sells Trukks and sells artillery pieces designed to be placed in the back of them.
Gunwagons I'm not sure if we'll get or not. How long has it been since they sold those models? They haven't sold Battle Fortresses in a while either, but maybe they're putting out rules for it since the Skull Hamma is a looted Baneblade? Did they ever make an official Mekboy Junka model?
Looted Wagons I have a feeling we won't get, but it would be a pleasant surprise if we did.
This is pure conjecture, but I wonder if GW/FW will put out rules for OOP models that have Power Level values but never get points for more competitive matched play?
Well, the junka did not have an official model at all (the model shown was a conversion based on the FW looted rhino kit).
I was a concersion bench from the very concept.
I would like the flyers as well, but I believe they may consider both of them
can be played with rules for the plastic kits (which is a shame but...)
Gunwagonz were oop for some time when the battleforteress went oop also, but both had rules in IA8,
so I realy hope they release a sheet for these also.
I really love these models which are trade mark vehicules for the orks range for about two decades,
in Epic as well as 40K.
For the looted wagon, I hope also as I would like to still play that nice FW looted rhino kit...
For you Ork players, the FAQ states that your missing datasheets will be on FW site/WarCom.
It states for Mega-dreadz, battlefortresses, and grot bomb launchas batteries which is good, let's just hope they will not forget
gunwagonz, guntruckks and looted wagonz this time again!
Yes sir, i miss my looted wagons!
Maybe we will get some of the stuff with the ork codex i hope to see before christmas.
I think we will see different stratagems / warlord traits for the clans as well and maybe they fit in some kind of looted vehicles for death skulls.
While I will not hold my breath for the ork codex,
I would like the looted wagon to make a return,
since it was a fun part of the ork list.
And please either give the kommandos
their tankbusta bombs back or change the damn models!
Both GW models and FW kits are loaded with mines (aka tankbusta bombs!)
they can't use for Mork's sake!
The hull contains holes for inserting 2 8mm magnets (not included) to allow you to switch between the closed and open access hatch assemblies on the fly
Cosmic Schwung wrote:When did the Corsair conversion kit disappear from the store?
A while back. Also the Elysian Tauros vanished (not the Venator)
Alpharius wrote:Normally, I'd say no.
But this time I'll allow it!
(It's a plus that I think desk flipping is pretty funny!)
You're going soft in your old age. Don't let the other mods know otherwise you'll be sat and brainwashed, Ludovico style, watching clips of Bane until you are "adjusted"
(It's a plus that I think desk flipping is pretty funny!)
I think it most accurately describes my current feels. Because my god... this September marks TWO YEARS since it was previewed. All the Custodes stuff has come out and from what I can tell, none of that predates my beloved decals.
Cosmic Schwung wrote:When did the Corsair conversion kit disappear from the store?
A while back. Also the Elysian Tauros vanished (not the Venator)
Oh. I do hope this is just because they currently don't have time to make a new mold and not beause they're throwing the Corsairs under a bus. I don't want to deal with some dodgy recasters to finish my army.
The hull contains holes for inserting 2 8mm magnets (not included) to allow you to switch between the closed and open access hatch assemblies on the fly
Well, that answers that. VERY cool decision by the designer. Now to start saving up for like... six.
(It's a plus that I think desk flipping is pretty funny!)
I think it most accurately describes my current feels. Because my god... this September marks TWO YEARS since it was previewed. All the Custodes stuff has come out and from what I can tell, none of that predates my beloved decals.
(It's a plus that I think desk flipping is pretty funny!)
I think it most accurately describes my current feels. Because my god... this September marks TWO YEARS since it was previewed. All the Custodes stuff has come out and from what I can tell, none of that predates my beloved decals.
At this point, I am losing hope.
Nah man, Valdor has only been seen as a 3d render, and the Terminators have only been shown off. Plus we dont have all our different Guardian Spears!
Seriously though, how hard is it to print decals FW.
I dunno, there are a lot of Blood Ravens fans around without that chapter getting much of a lore mention let alone rules in the tabletop game. I think it's nice they gave Polnareff a model.
changemod wrote: I dunno, there are a lot of Blood Ravens fans around without that chapter getting much of a lore mention let alone rules in the tabletop game. I think it's nice they gave Polnareff a model.
It's just annoying and boring, when 90% of their releases are space marines of various flavors. The rest 10% being Hobbit and Blood Bowl. When was the last time we saw them release anything new for Tyranids? Dark Eldar? Eldar? Guard? Necrons? Orks?
changemod wrote: I dunno, there are a lot of Blood Ravens fans around without that chapter getting much of a lore mention let alone rules in the tabletop game. I think it's nice they gave Polnareff a model.
It's just annoying and boring, when 90% of their releases are space marines of various flavors. The rest 10% being Hobbit and Blood Bowl. When was the last time we saw them release anything new for Tyranids? Dark Eldar? Eldar? Guard? Necrons? Orks?
Context is important. Blood Ravens are long overdue one or two unique models and a chapter tactic.
The Custodes, despite being augmented power armoured human supersoldiers and thus to all intents and purposes a marine release, added a new imperial subfaction with a distinct asthetic and playstyle.
Some of these seem more worth complaining about than others, is what I'm saying.
Gabriel does look nice, though it would've been nicer if he was released alongside, or closer to the release of the actual game.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Though mention of them doing a Warhammer 40,000 character series is good. Maybe we'll also see certain novel characters.
em_en_oh_pee wrote: You will definitely see them before they do any more Knight ones from HH Conquest.
Keep the dream alive:
In all seriousness, I think they've had some sort of a problem with the Vyronii transfers - I remember they said that the transfers had been sent for printing back in July 2016!
em_en_oh_pee wrote: You will definitely see them before they do any more Knight ones from HH Conquest.
Keep the dream alive:
In all seriousness, I think they've had some sort of a problem with the Vyronii transfers - I remember they said that the transfers had been sent for printing back in July 2016!
They are so pretty. I just need two sheets. JUST TWO! Forge World is killing me.
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BrookM wrote: IIRC the designer was being annoying about it.
Do we have said designers email? I need to have a word.
changemod wrote: I dunno, there are a lot of Blood Ravens fans around without that chapter getting much of a lore mention let alone rules in the tabletop game. I think it's nice they gave Polnareff a model.
It's just annoying and boring, when 90% of their releases are space marines of various flavors. The rest 10% being Hobbit and Blood Bowl. When was the last time we saw them release anything new for Tyranids? Dark Eldar? Eldar? Guard? Necrons? Orks?
Could have not said it better...
For ork was that 2008 for the last release?
And a lot of these models are not even supported now...
BrookM wrote:IIRC the designer was being annoying about it.
Really? Never heard that? What drama was going on?
em_en_oh_pee wrote:Do we have said designers email? I need to have a word.
'tis Holly Goodwin I believe, Jes Goodwin's daughter. She's designed most of the newer Forgeworld Transfers
Didn't they bring her in to sort out the problems - lack of dedicated designer & reliable printer?
They had the sheet done. It was previewed. Like... what is left to do but print it? Send it to the folks who did the Primaris ones or the BA ones?! It just needs to be PRINTED. It is maddening.
This is why you never should show a product untill is already done. Theres thousands of reasons to not release a product even if is already done to be produced in máss scale.
You end with people pissed.
BrookM wrote: Gabriel does look nice, though it would've been nicer if he was released alongside, or closer to the release of the actual game.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Though mention of them doing a Warhammer 40,000 character series is good. Maybe we'll also see certain novel characters.
Meh. I don't really care about GW's special marinebros all that much, I'd much rather see FW stepping in to correct GW's egregious pruning of choice & customisation for characters by providing "generic" models with tons of options and rules to match than see them just produce more mono-loadout existing characters.
BrookM wrote: Gabriel does look nice, though it would've been nicer if he was released alongside, or closer to the release of the actual game.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Though mention of them doing a Warhammer 40,000 character series is good. Maybe we'll also see certain novel characters.
Meh. I don't really care about GW's special marinebros all that much, I'd much rather see FW stepping in to correct GW's egregious pruning of choice & customisation for characters by providing "generic" models with tons of options and rules to match than see them just produce more mono-loadout existing characters.
That sounds like a terrible use of a small-run resin shop. They'd either end up with wildly expensive kits that nobody wants, or popular kits that they can't meet demand for. Low-run resin is much more suited to the special characters and fixed kits they're doing.
Ah time for the weekly where is Fires of Cyraxus comment lol. Seriously though warhammer world is coming up and I hope we see the actual release of the new Tigershark which was teased ages ago.
Verviedi wrote: I'd love models for Taldeer, Bluddflag, Macha, Gorgutz, and Kais. Of course, XENOS VERBOTEN, but it's good to dream.
Silly Verviedi, those aren't power armor characters! We can't have FW make those, they would have to take time away from making yet more unneeded characters and tanks for Horus Heresy!
Verviedi wrote: I just wish there was a better way of expressing my emotions than voting for Space Marines in every "what army should be squatted" poll.
Can you name a non-SM char whose as high profile as Angelos? If I was doing a character series Angelos would be a good first pick too. course Ciaphas Cain would be a pretty high priority too. (although I'd be concerned people would find him under whelming, given the man used a las pistol and chain sword)
I'd rather see them do Eisenhorn and key members of his retinue (Bequin!!!) or Ravenor, though plenty would find a floating box with a pair of guns on it boring.
BrookM wrote: I'd rather see them do Eisenhorn and key members of his retinue (Bequin!!!) or Ravenor, though plenty would find a floating box with a pair of guns on it boring.
I'd rather they didn't, actually. At least not Bequin; for some reason GW/FW are incapable of sculpting scale women with human faces or proportions. Of course some would say they haven't managed a scale man with reasonable proportions yet, but either way it's particularly bad when they attempt the fairer sex.
I'd much rather let Artel W finish their not-eisenhorn not-retinue.
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Why was Redmaw cancelled? I also was champing at the bit for that model and had birthed ideas for a SW force with him but grew tired of waiting and then...... no Bran :-( he was a great looking model for what they showed.
nerdfest09 wrote: Why was Redmaw cancelled? I also was champing at the bit for that model and had birthed ideas for a SW force with him but grew tired of waiting and then...... no Bran :-( he was a great looking model for what they showed.
Don't worry, maybe he will get recycled like the K'daai Destroyer, erm... I mean Skaarac.
nerdfest09 wrote: Why was Redmaw cancelled? I also was champing at the bit for that model and had birthed ideas for a SW force with him but grew tired of waiting and then...... no Bran :-( he was a great looking model for what they showed.
Don't worry, maybe he will get recycled like the K'daai Destroyer, erm... I mean Skaarac.
I imagine the 40k character series will be Gabriel, Leviathan Culln, whatever admech/tau characters are in Cyraxus, 8 Ultramarine characters (joking... mostly), etc.
You want an M4? Is that the M4 medium tank, the M4 light tank etc
The M# refers to the model number, basically an adjective. Although people might talk about M1s or M16s without using the noun they shouldn't, it was never the name of the item.
Theoretically the reworked Tigershark which was shown last open day, but with FW as it is right now everything is so frantic. As usual ask them about the book that shall not be named but it involves both the uat and mechanical add in it. Ask them if their plans for additional Tau models this year is happening or not (I really really doubt it at this point and am finalising my yearly budget).
What is going on with some of these FW models lately!? seems the models are just not up to the level they should be for sculpting? the Angelos head looks kinda like Ron Pearlman had a stroke! and the painting while it's 'good' it isn't what I'd expect from them either, it's way outside the usual feel for their models and appears more cartoony and not very complimentary at all.it actually puts me off investigating the models further when they don't draw you in.
nerdfest09 wrote: What is going on with some of these FW models lately!? seems the models are just not up to the level they should be for sculpting? the Angelos head looks kinda like Ron Pearlman had a stroke! and the painting while it's 'good' it isn't what I'd expect from them either, it's way outside the usual feel for their models and appears more cartoony and not very complimentary at all.it actually puts me off investigating the models further when they don't draw you in.
Whoever their studio painter is now is just bad. Having seen this model unpainted, it is even more clear.
He looks way too rosy-cheeked to be a 400-odd year old veteran space marine.
His nose is oddly red, like hes been drinking heavily for those four hundred years.
I don't think thier painter is bad, per se, just not capable of getting the character correct. The painter is clearly skilled at painting, the armour is all highlights and blending, but there are errors in judgement in critical areas, namely the face.
Imagine the armour with Nerdfest's Lorgar or Horus face-scheme, it'd be massively better.
On the plus side, his rules seem pretty fun, nothing spectacular but then nothing appalling either.
DaemonJellybaby wrote: He looks way too rosy-cheeked to be a 400-odd year old veteran space marine.
His nose is oddly red, like hes been drinking heavily for those four hundred years.
I don't think thier painter is bad, per se, just not capable of getting the character correct. The painter is clearly skilled at painting, the armour is all highlights and blending, but there are errors in judgement in critical areas, namely the face.
Imagine the armour with Nerdfest's Lorgar or Horus face-scheme, it'd be massively better.
On the plus side, his rules seem pretty fun, nothing spectacular but then nothing appalling either.
+1.
It's no award-winning job and definitely not fantastic judgement calls, but plainly technically competent, though that 360º makes it look like they didn't dust the model before shooting it.
And yeah, FW minis (esp. non-vehicles) have been fairly unimpressive recently...
Does Forgeworld actually have a studio painter? I always assumed the painted models they showed were from their personal collections, hence all the unpainted versions they show us.
Tannhauser42 wrote: Does Forgeworld actually have a studio painter? I always assumed the painted models they showed were from their personal collections, hence all the unpainted versions they show us.
Im fairly sure they do have studio paints. i wish they would do more masterclass books.
otherwise those massive diaoramas would be one hell of a personal collection.
as it stands im fairly sure the quality issue is actually because of some bean counter that wants to dumb down the quality to make it look like something "you" can do rather than infinity or warmahord style ball to the wall pro painted models.
Tannhauser42 wrote: Does Forgeworld actually have a studio painter? I always assumed the painted models they showed were from their personal collections, hence all the unpainted versions they show us.
Im fairly sure they do have studio paints. i wish they would do more masterclass books.
otherwise those massive diaoramas would be one hell of a personal collection.
as it stands im fairly sure the quality issue is actually because of some bean counter that wants to dumb down the quality to make it look like something "you" can do rather than infinity or warmahord style ball to the wall pro painted models.
Warmahordes models look usually pretty awful, imo. Now Infinity... those are absurdly good. Same with Knight models.
Tannhauser42 wrote: Does Forgeworld actually have a studio painter? I always assumed the painted models they showed were from their personal collections, hence all the unpainted versions they show us.
Im fairly sure they do have studio paints. i wish they would do more masterclass books.
otherwise those massive diaoramas would be one hell of a personal collection.
as it stands im fairly sure the quality issue is actually because of some bean counter that wants to dumb down the quality to make it look like something "you" can do rather than infinity or warmahord style ball to the wall pro painted models.
Warmahordes models look usually pretty awful, imo. Now Infinity... those are absurdly good. Same with Knight models.
Could of sworn wmh had some of the better painted models. infinity for sure
oh man retribution is the most adorable rule iv seen so far.
His rules are fun, I was half-expecting something to represent his leaping attack, but the arcing swing attack is a nice one either way, though it lacks the invulnerability and knock-back of enemy projectiles.
And yes, he wears TERMINATOR ARMOUR now, because he's no longer a captain, but CHAPTER MASTER these days. I mean, gak man, do keep up with current events.
Folks might not recognize him there from the game because he's not doing ninja flip overhead thunderhammer slams while in terminator armor. For anyone looking for a 3rd party alternative...
First, jesus can we get a spoiler on that image, you're killing us mobilites bro.
Second, I think the model is okay. I can see a better paintjob doing it justice.
Third, for the love of god can we drop the flipping jokes?
They might go over peoples heads....
Forgeworld has definitely been putting out some turds lately, but they do a lot of other good work (it's all resin so it's nothing to me) so I can overlook the occasional crap mini. I think you could save it with an alternate head. --- or buy that alternate option which is far better looking.
I wonder if the head comes attached or not, as they've recently released a new skin of Gabriel with a Tartaros pattern helmet in place, which looks pretty ace on the model and would probably also look ace on the mini itself.
CragHack wrote: Gotta be one of the shittier FW Fridays. T Please don't bypass the language filter like this. Reds8n
Despite that, I'm happy. This means we are one step closer to all the other goodies. Unless they decide to shoehorn more marine characters.
Yeah I hope they have some cool surprises there for the non-marine fans. Even if they reveal something cool for AdMech at least it would be cool to see something different.
Other than the head, it's fine. Amazing though, how even the DoWIII render looks better lol. If I were to buy him, I'd pray his head is separate. Would be a shame to have to mess about snipping it.
Angelos had normal power armor as well, it's like they never played their own game
the new one has him in that armor.
OK I'll admit I was not up to date on that hill of crap franchise (first one ruled) but having those pictures side by side made my sides hurt from laughter. I mean, can you post that second pic without laughing at that mini even more?
