Yeah, I could see it, I just don't think we'll get it anyways. Stormraven doesn't seem very wolfy. I could see the hunter at least. I'll have to model a bunch of Long Fangs standing on the back of a rhino for mine.
This set is fresh off the rumor wires coming to us from a set of both known and unknown sources.
-Lords of War: Logan & Bjorn -New big kit for SWs is a "Legendary Fenrisian Monster and handler(s)" -All other SW releases will be plastic reworks of existing Finecast, or very old plastics.
Again... it's plausible. They've been coming out recently with one oversized apoc style kit for each release and I could see some dopey looking monster being the space wolf one. Would you prefer a lone wolf riding in a giant mechawolf ala Voltron? ALso, Ghaz going to a Lord of War slot gives a bit of credence to the "big bad close combat monster leader" in each release (assuming they have one) becoming a lord of war; if Logan goes there, it'll officially be a pattern for 7th.
This set is fresh off the rumor wires coming to us from a set of both known and unknown sources.
-Lords of War: Logan & Bjorn -New big kit for SWs is a "Legendary Fenrisian Monster and handler(s)" -All other SW releases will be plastic reworks of existing Finecast, or very old plastics.
Again... it's plausible. They've been coming out recently with one oversized apoc style kit for each release and I could see some dopey looking monster being the space wolf one. Would you prefer a lone wolf riding in a giant mechawolf ala Voltron? ALso, Ghaz going to a Lord of War slot gives a bit of credence to the "big bad close combat monster leader" in each release (assuming they have one) becoming a lord of war; if Logan goes there, it'll officially be a pattern for 7th.
I would buy a giant mechawolf in a heartbeat. But let's see... legendary fenrisian monster. Gigantic wolf? Midgard Serpent? SWs are basically Vikings/Norse, so what makes sense? Wasn't there a Cerberus-like monster in Norse myth (not Fenris, something else)?
Wolftron, Wolf-God of Wolfiness, armed with the Wolfblade and three Megawulf Cannons (that fire mecha-wolf pups armed with lasers), with a Lone Wolf riding him.
I could see the 'giant monster' being a Fenrisian Mammoth, armoured up and with a gun-platform howdah crewed and driven by wolves. It'd be a little odd, of course, but not inconceivable, and I'd prefer it to a mecha-wolf.
Paradigm wrote: I could see the 'giant monster' being a Fenrisian Mammoth, armoured up and with a gun-platform howdah crewed and driven by wolves. It'd be a little odd, of course, but not inconceivable, and I'd prefer it to a mecha-wolf.
Not Wolfy enough! *beats with rolled-up newspaper*
Maybe it's the dreaded Fenrisian Vacuum Cleaner, bane of the Space Wolves?
If Space Wolfs get a unique flyer, I hope the cockpit is modeled as a wolf head similar to the wolf helms they have. That could actually look pretty cool.
This should be Larry Vela's new tag line. Everything he says is plausible, not true, but plausible. He makes up a bunch of crud that sounds plausible and is close enough to history to give him a shot at straight guessing it.
Larry Vela aka Big Red - Total rumors: (120 TRUE) / (207 FALSE) / (14 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)
They've been coming out recently with one oversized apoc style kit for each release and I could see some dopey looking monster being the space wolf one. Would you prefer a lone wolf riding in a giant mechawolf ala Voltron? ALso, Ghaz going to a Lord of War slot gives a bit of credence to the "big bad close combat monster leader" in each release (assuming they have one) becoming a lord of war; if Logan goes there, it'll officially be a pattern for 7th.
I would prefer Bjorn there, personally.
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WayneTheGame wrote: Wolftron, Wolf-God of Wolfiness, armed with the Wolfblade and three Megawulf Cannons (that fire mecha-wolf pups armed with lasers), with a Lone Wolf riding him.
JeneralJoe117 wrote: I could not be more flaccid about this if I tried. It's insipid, uninspired, and any other mean words you can think of. I got multiple copies of the last 3 starter sets, and this is the first one I've went 'eh don't think I'll bother'.
That my friend is burn out and growing apathy from their release schedule, its beginning to become very common.
Tannhauser42 wrote: Meh, not excited about this campaign box. I'll probably pick up the Kans off of Ebay is they're a good price, but that's probably it.
Why? They're exactly the same as the Killa Kan box.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Clearly Cadians are a mutant strain of Orkoid life, changed to look and act more human. They still multiply via spores though, and this explains why they are everywhere.
There are so many breaks with tradition in this set I'm inclined to believe they've thrown it together quickly to try and sell some cynics on the new edition. Plus I was already inclined to believe that anyway because I'm still pretty wound up about 7th (didn't buy it, and haven't spent on GW since it happened, when I was averaging 50-70 a month on GW plastiCrack up until then)
It's been confirmed by other, more reliable sources that have a 100% rumor accuracy rating.
Umm. Okay, now you're just making stuff up.
First, link.
Second, there's like one or two mongers with 100% and I don't remember them saying anything.
Also, BOLS posted this gem:
This set is fresh off the rumor wires coming to us from a set of both known and unknown sources.
-Lords of War: Logan & Bjorn
-New big kit for SWs is a "Legendary Fenrisian Monster and handler(s)"
-All other SW releases will be plastic reworks of existing Finecast, or very old plastics.
pretre wrote: Yeah, I could see it, I just don't think we'll get it anyways. Stormraven doesn't seem very wolfy. I could see the hunter at least. I'll have to model a bunch of Long Fangs standing on the back of a rhino for mine.
Njal Stormcaller has a Psyber Raven... Feels entirely appropriate IMHO.
Another reason for not including Boyz is might be that so many parts from the set end up in ebay, sales of the main boyz pack must suffer. Ebay is stiill heaving with AoBR boyz and nobz so why put even more out there where they will keep people from buying boyz in a packet.
Bull0 wrote: There are so many breaks with tradition in this set I'm inclined to believe they've thrown it together quickly to try and sell some cynics on the new edition. Plus I was already inclined to believe that anyway because I'm still pretty wound up about 7th (didn't buy it, and haven't spent on GW since it happened, when I was averaging 50-70 a month on GW plastiCrack up until then)
Would you be horrified if discounted campaign sets with new plastic characters became a regular release for GW?
Sounds good to me. GW need to break some 'traditions'.
It's been confirmed by other, more reliable sources that have a 100% rumor accuracy rating.
His source is so 100% legit we can't even question his existence...
The new warboss model looks awesome, and it's a cute reference to the old Codex cover with the Wolf. Hope to see more boxes in this style.
In fairness, he's entitled to claim whatever he likes, just as you and everyone else are entitled to choose to believe it or not.
What you are NOT allowed to do is demand proof that he is unwilling to give. Either take it at face value, or don't. I for one believe cincy is sincere in what he's saying, he's been around here and active too long to be a troll, and if this doesn't pan out as a thing, it would be more a fault with the source than the messenger.
pretre wrote: Yeah, I could see it, I just don't think we'll get it anyways. Stormraven doesn't seem very wolfy. I could see the hunter at least. I'll have to model a bunch of Long Fangs standing on the back of a rhino for mine.
Njal Stormcaller has a Psyber Raven... Feels entirely appropriate IMHO.
Yeah I believe cincy believe this guy. And its not like I need a home address of the source or anything. But just going "this guy has a proven record" seems a bit light tbh... What most weirded me out though was the defensive attitude to being called on such a vague statement
Btw, I wonder where this box falls in relation to the rumoured Dark Eldar next/Nurgle in before that rumours. Was this just seen as "more orks" by people like Hastings or will DE/Nurgle never happen?
azreal13 wrote: In fairness, he's entitled to claim whatever he likes, just as you and everyone else are entitled to choose to believe it or not.
What you are NOT allowed to do is demand proof that he is unwilling to give. Either take it at face value, or don't. I for one believe cincy is sincere in what he's saying, he's been around here and active too long to be a troll, and if this doesn't pan out as a thing, it would be more a fault with the source than the messenger.
I completely agree. I'm not demanding proof, however, I was asking for a link since he says he isn't the rumor monger and it was someone that was 100%. What he appears to actually be saying is that his source is 100% and he does not want to reveal his source. That's cool; it just makes him the rumor monger.
Gorlack wrote: Yeah I believe cincy believe this guy. And its not like I need a home address of the source or anything. But just going "this guy has a proven record" seems a bit light tbh... What most weirded me out though was the defensive attitude to being called on such a vague statement
Btw, I wonder where this box falls in relation to the rumoured Dark Eldar next/Nurgle in before that rumours. Was this just seen as "more orks" by people like Hastings or will DE/Nurgle never happen?
Bull0 wrote: There are so many breaks with tradition in this set I'm inclined to believe they've thrown it together quickly to try and sell some cynics on the new edition. Plus I was already inclined to believe that anyway because I'm still pretty wound up about 7th (didn't buy it, and haven't spent on GW since it happened, when I was averaging 50-70 a month on GW plastiCrack up until then)
Would you be horrified if discounted campaign sets with new plastic characters became a regular release for GW?
Sounds good to me. GW need to break some 'traditions'.
No, didn't mean it like that at all. I think it's sounding like a great value set if you're after the contents. If it does contain the full rules I will likely get it.
Bull0 wrote: There are so many breaks with tradition in this set I'm inclined to believe they've thrown it together quickly to try and sell some cynics on the new edition. Plus I was already inclined to believe that anyway because I'm still pretty wound up about 7th (didn't buy it, and haven't spent on GW since it happened, when I was averaging 50-70 a month on GW plastiCrack up until then)
Would you be horrified if discounted campaign sets with new plastic characters became a regular release for GW?
Sounds good to me. GW need to break some 'traditions'.
The tradition of providing a low cost starter that gives new players a lower $$ barrier of entry and veteran players new sculpts (albeit monopose) would be a stupid to break.
No, didn't mean it like that at all. I think it's sounding like a great value set if you're after *ALL* the contents. If it does contain the full rules I will likely get it.
I corrected that for you. Previous starters were worth it in varying degrees if you wanted to start one of the two contained armies and the second one frequently ended up as a starter for someone else's army hooking two people with one kit. At this price where you get the same sculpts you can already buy and two plastic monopose starter quality characters "for free", I don't think it'll hook many players.
$125 is pretty reasonable for the box. I'm impressed. If it's a general release it could actually see some movement. Close to 29% off retail to start not including the limited HQ's or the rulebook. Seems solid to me. If it wasn't wolves I'd probably grab a few just for the overall discount. Espeically if it goes to standard stores to sell.
Honestly, it looks like they took underperforming sets and lumped them together in a box with the rule book so everyone will buy one just to get the rule book.
Grey hunters are underperforming? They were the ultimate cheese till GK took the cake in 5th and were still undercosted relative to vanilla marines until the 6th edition vanilla codex evened things out.
warboss wrote: I corrected that for you. Previous starters were worth it in varying degrees if you wanted to start one of the two contained armies and the second one frequently ended up as a starter for someone else's army hooking two people with one kit. At this price where you get the same sculpts you can already buy and two plastic monopose starter quality characters "for free", I don't think it'll hook many players.
Yeah, it's a lot more of a discount than that. It's a 30% discount not counting the two characters, the rulebook or the campaign book.
No, didn't mean it like that at all. I think it's sounding like a great value set if you're after *ALL* the contents. If it does contain the full rules I will likely get it.
I corrected that for you.
No you didn't. I meant what I said, if the contents appeal to you it's a decent value set. Whether that's some or all the contents is obviously going to vary by individual, and you're being weirdly confrontational to make a prosaic sort of point. I remember why I backed off from Dakka for a while now!
azreal13 wrote: What you are NOT allowed to do is demand proof that he is unwilling to give. Either take it at face value, or don't. I for one believe cincy is sincere in what he's saying, he's been around here and active too long to be a troll, and if this doesn't pan out as a thing, it would be more a fault with the source than the messenger.
Exactly this. The rest of you lot need to back off.
plastictrees wrote: Would you be horrified if discounted campaign sets with new plastic characters became a regular release for GW?
Not me. This sounds like the kind of thing GW should be doing. If they want to get everyone to "Forge a Narrative" in lieu of writing a decent set of rules, then the very least they can do is amp up the narrative-related releases. Campaign books and boxed sets are the way to do that.
-This is a one off item. Meaning they are making xxx amount of stormclaw sets, and that's pretty much it. It's not mean't to be the starter set for 7th edition. Now, I don't know what the actual number is. Could sell out in a week, could be around in a year. It's only getting one print run and when it's gone, it's gone. At some point in the next few weeks we'll see a DV re-release with the 7th edition rule book. I'm assuming the rulebook in SC and DV are the same, but do not have confirmation on that.
-This is a one off item. Meaning they are making xxx amount of stormclaw sets, and that's pretty much it. It's not mean't to be the starter set for 7th edition. Now, I don't know what the actual number is. Could sell out in a week, could be around in a year. It's only getting one print run and when it's gone, it's gone. At some point in the next few weeks we'll see a DV re-release with the 7th edition rule book. I'm assuming the rulebook in SC and DV are the same, but do not have confirmation on that.
Or they could sell a new one as a revolving 'starter' every three or so months, which would be awesome.
mikhaila wrote: -This is a one off item. Meaning they are making xxx amount of stormclaw sets, and that's pretty much it. It's not mean't to be the starter set for 7th edition. Now, I don't know what the actual number is. Could sell out in a week, could be around in a year. It's only getting one print run and when it's gone, it's gone. At some point in the next few weeks we'll see a DV re-release with the 7th edition rule book. I'm assuming the rulebook in SC and DV are the same, but do not have confirmation on that.
Just to clarify, when you say "one off", you mean "one print run" and not "GW will never do another campaign box again", right?
No you didn't. I meant what I said, if the contents appeal to you it's a decent value set. Whether that's some or all the contents is obviously going to vary by individual, and you're being weirdly confrontational to make a prosaic sort of point. I remember why I backed off from Dakka for a while now!
You're taking a simple meme comment way too seriously. It wasn't meant to offend but you chose to take offense. If a joke makes you back off of dakka, you should likely back off the internet instead as it'll seem like a much more caustic place than it actually is without common sense and/or a sense of humor.
-This is a one off item. Meaning they are making xxx amount of stormclaw sets, and that's pretty much it. It's not mean't to be the starter set for 7th edition. Now, I don't know what the actual number is. Could sell out in a week, could be around in a year. It's only getting one print run and when it's gone, it's gone. At some point in the next few weeks we'll see a DV re-release with the 7th edition rule book. I'm assuming the rulebook in SC and DV are the same, but do not have confirmation on that.
Good to hear.
pretre wrote:
warboss wrote: I corrected that for you. Previous starters were worth it in varying degrees if you wanted to start one of the two contained armies and the second one frequently ended up as a starter for someone else's army hooking two people with one kit. At this price where you get the same sculpts you can already buy and two plastic monopose starter quality characters "for free", I don't think it'll hook many players.
Yeah, it's a lot more of a discount than that. It's a 30% discount not counting the two characters, the rulebook or the campaign book.
If Mikhaila's news turns out to be true then I don't have a problem with this set. I still wouldn't buy it personally but if someone doesn't want the extra stuff and it isn't replacing the starter then there is no issue. The SW character does look nice though as a Deathwatch Character.
No you didn't. I meant what I said, if the contents appeal to you it's a decent value set. Whether that's some or all the contents is obviously going to vary by individual, and you're being weirdly confrontational to make a prosaic sort of point. I remember why I backed off from Dakka for a while now!
You're taking a simple meme comment way too seriously. It wasn't meant to offend but you chose to take offense. If a joke makes you back off of dakka, you should likely back off the internet instead as it'll seem like a much more caustic place than it actually is without common sense and/or a sense of humor.
I didn't say it offended me but it's the kind of tiresome non-joke I prefer to do without, and pretty typical forum nitpicking. You're taking my reaction too seriously. You could kind of say that about anything. Prosaic, again. When "feth off from the internet" is your defense that's generally a bad sign :(
I'm just slightly shocked that it's reasonably priced - for GW. I was honestly expecting +50% to the price, considering that it doesn't have monopose models.
Seems to be a good set for SW players, although there's a zillion Marine/Termi models around if you need cheap sloggaz. Ork side is slightly boring, but Nobz have plenty of bits for conversions and extra Grotz can be used with Big Gunz as crew.
Sorry to post that request here but, I'm interested in getting the Ork part of that box. Since I live in Hawai'i (Big Island), it's not easy to find other people around me to sell them the Wolves.
Maybe I can find someone here on Dakka that would like to split the box with me
For me, the general concept of GW bundling some stuff, adding some narrative, and offering a decent discount, is a very welcome development. I rarely get very excited about new releases due to the associated costs. But this is pretty cool.
And the pendulum swings for me once more. At £75, I figure it breaks down at £10 for the books, and £65 for the models. I'd be splitting it with an Ork player, and it works out at £32.50 for the SW contingent. In other words, for 5 quid more than the box of Terminators, I get 10 PASW (you can never have too many given the utility of that set) and an exclusive and rather cool Wolf Lord. Time to get negotiating, maybe.
Paradigm wrote: And the pendulum swings for me once more. At £75, I figure it breaks down at £10 for the books, and £65 for the models. I'd be splitting it with an Ork player, and it works out at £32.50 for the SW contingent. In other words, for 5 quid more than the box of Terminators, I get 10 PASW (you can never have too many given the utility of that set) and an exclusive and rather cool Wolf Lord. Time to get negotiating, maybe.
To sum up my current opinion, I turn to the great Al Pacino in Godfather III:
Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!
Do my teeth seem sharper? And why do I suddenly have the urge to howl...
-This is a one off item. Meaning they are making xxx amount of stormclaw sets, and that's pretty much it. It's not mean't to be the starter set for 7th edition. Now, I don't know what the actual number is. Could sell out in a week, could be around in a year. It's only getting one print run and when it's gone, it's gone. At some point in the next few weeks we'll see a DV re-release with the 7th edition rule book. I'm assuming the rulebook in SC and DV are the same, but do not have confirmation on that.
I totally believe you, and am not questioning your info... but why the heck would they make it a one off? Thats just such a GW thing to do.
I think this boxed set is awesome, and love the fact that they are pushing the narrative with it, but why, oh why make it LE? I will buy one, and if it IS LE I might just buy two and stick one on eBay.
I meant to say by saying "if it's LE I'll buy 2" you just answered your question as to why they would make it limited run. Sometimes you "limit" it to what you expect to sell in a 2-3 month period anyway, and the fear of it going away causes people to buy more than they would.
-This is a one off item. Meaning they are making xxx amount of stormclaw sets, and that's pretty much it. It's not mean't to be the starter set for 7th edition. Now, I don't know what the actual number is. Could sell out in a week, could be around in a year. It's only getting one print run and when it's gone, it's gone. At some point in the next few weeks we'll see a DV re-release with the 7th edition rule book. I'm assuming the rulebook in SC and DV are the same, but do not have confirmation on that.
I totally believe you, and am not questioning your info... but why the heck would they make it a one off? Thats just such a GW thing to do.
I think this boxed set is awesome, and love the fact that they are pushing the narrative with it, but why, oh why make it LE? I will buy one, and if it IS LE I might just buy two and stick one on eBay.
Make it a one-off for "this" campaign, then have another one-off for the next set of two books, and then the next, and then the next...
It gives you something that can be added on to the big box purchase and get more cash from new players and veterans alike who decide to switch codex.
Yeah, campaign boxsets are a good thing. If they are re-releasing DV they'll have a "starter" but the current campaign alongside it would be awesome for either an alternative starter or a way for players to split and expand armies. I think it's a great idea. And the LE figure makes it worth grabbing.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: I think the old SW characters (Logan, Ragnar, Ulrik, Njal and Bjorn) are too iconic for GW to drop them. The other characters have quite recent models.
That said, Marbo was quite iconic and didn't survive the last update.
Marbo was also a blatant rip off of something well known outside GW. Every other SC out there is fairly unique and connected to 40k - I don't look at anything and see any themes beyond what it already had. Marbo...well, his name was an anagram for crying out loud.
Yeah, they just had a fairly expensive court case where GW designers and legal people insisted (with perfectly straight faces) that all of their designs come entirely out of their designer's heads with no outside influence.
Having 'Sly Marbo' in their miniature collection was just asking for trouble in light of that claim...
The existing Space Wolf characters don't have a similar problem. Clearly vikings were GW's idea.
More the fact that Space Vikings with Wolf theme was their idea and they represent it. The whole Viking theme is a historical one rather than a pop culture one to be honest - you can't really say it's copyrighted....however 'Marbo' was on thin ice.
Also, I like the layouts of the new stuff. Really, I do. The Orks look to be a letdown but the Wolves could be useful for a small allied contingent...
-This is a one off item. Meaning they are making xxx amount of stormclaw sets, and that's pretty much it. It's not mean't to be the starter set for 7th edition. Now, I don't know what the actual number is. Could sell out in a week, could be around in a year. It's only getting one print run and when it's gone, it's gone. At some point in the next few weeks we'll see a DV re-release with the 7th edition rule book. I'm assuming the rulebook in SC and DV are the same, but do not have confirmation on that.
I totally believe you, and am not questioning your info... but why the heck would they make it a one off? Thats just such a GW thing to do.
I think this boxed set is awesome, and love the fact that they are pushing the narrative with it, but why, oh why make it LE? I will buy one, and if it IS LE I might just buy two and stick one on eBay.
A couple of reasons. First is packaging. For this product they have the box and campaign book to print up in xxx quantity. I assume the rulebook is the same as for DV so it's not an extra print job. Then when the box and printing comes in they package up the product and ship it out. To make it an ongoing product they have to either commit to more up front, or commit to a re-order of the box and printing. They've probably estimated they can sell so many, and then instead of re-doing that set, might do better with another mix of models. I'm hoping that's the case and we see more of these packs.
GW seems to really be keeping their costs down right now, and part of that is going to be how they instruct studio and packaging managers to look at things. Deciding on a one-off product means they can calculate expenses/profit easier. And they don't expend cashflow on keeping extra inventory of a product around.
In the Space Wolves picture it says on the bottom that the box indeed contains a small rulebook as well as a campaign supplement.
The only thing I am seeing that doesn't look like an existing model is the Warboss himself and the Spacewolf in the top left corner, Kind of disappointing if you ask me. I usually look forward to the unique models that come with the starters, I'll still buy the box as it's a comparatively cheap source of models I'll use for armies I already have.
Sasori wrote: I highly doubt Canis Wolfborn goes away, since he has a model.
Captain Al'rahem, Zogrod Wartsnagga, Sly Marbo and probably someone I'm forgetting would like a word with you.
Sergeant Naaman and Doom Rider also come to mind.
Schaeffer, Chenkov, Ibram Gaunt, Cruella the Vile, salamanders chaplain xavier and probably a few more.
Fair enough!
It seemed like the recent trend has been, if it has a model, it's stayed in the book.
this is just a guess, but I imagine that unless a model is iconic like calgar or sells like hot cakes, that it's better business to scrap the molds on some of these guys. Some may still be for sale but I am guessing its old stock.
Personally I'll probably end up buying this and selling on the orc parts/painting them up for my army and then selling on the entire force (I was planning on getting rid of it) and keeping the wolves for the same reason that others have said more PASW won't go amiss, especially as I need parts to convert 30k stuff at the moment, plus Krom seems to have nearly identical war gear to Bran so I think so converting will probably be in order
Sasori wrote: I highly doubt Canis Wolfborn goes away, since he has a model.
Captain Al'rahem, Zogrod Wartsnagga, Sly Marbo and probably someone I'm forgetting would like a word with you.
Sergeant Naaman and Doom Rider also come to mind.
Schaeffer, Chenkov, Ibram Gaunt, Cruella the Vile, salamanders chaplain xavier and probably a few more.
Fair enough!
It seemed like the recent trend has been, if it has a model, it's stayed in the book.
this is just a guess, but I imagine that unless a model is iconic like calgar or sells like hot cakes, that it's better business to scrap the molds on some of these guys. Some may still be for sale but I am guessing its old stock.
Perhaps, bust most of those models listed were very Old, from 3rd Edition right? Have we seen anything with a model that was made in 4th to present be removed?
-This is a one off item. Meaning they are making xxx amount of stormclaw sets, and that's pretty much it. It's not mean't to be the starter set for 7th edition. Now, I don't know what the actual number is. Could sell out in a week, could be around in a year. It's only getting one print run and when it's gone, it's gone. At some point in the next few weeks we'll see a DV re-release with the 7th edition rule book. I'm assuming the rulebook in SC and DV are the same, but do not have confirmation on that.
I totally believe you, and am not questioning your info... but why the heck would they make it a one off? Thats just such a GW thing to do.
I think this boxed set is awesome, and love the fact that they are pushing the narrative with it, but why, oh why make it LE? I will buy one, and if it IS LE I might just buy two and stick one on eBay.
A couple of reasons. First is packaging. For this product they have the box and campaign book to print up in xxx quantity. I assume the rulebook is the same as for DV so it's not an extra print job. Then when the box and printing comes in they package up the product and ship it out. To make it an ongoing product they have to either commit to more up front, or commit to a re-order of the box and printing. They've probably estimated they can sell so many, and then instead of re-doing that set, might do better with another mix of models. I'm hoping that's the case and we see more of these packs.
GW seems to really be keeping their costs down right now, and part of that is going to be how they instruct studio and packaging managers to look at things. Deciding on a one-off product means they can calculate expenses/profit easier. And they don't expend cashflow on keeping extra inventory of a product around.
I do expect that if it does well, we'll see more.
Or print boxes to sell this as a shiney limited set initially, but once it's sold out they could carry on with it as a webstore only version as a plain brown box/sprue only set
angelofvengeance wrote: I'm guessing there will be a ltd edition Rune Priest or Wierdboy for the ltd edition copies..That is of course if GW feels generous.
This is the limited edition. Just one print run, apparently.
$150 Cnd? Is it me, or is the price like $30-$50, maybe more than DV with less models?
The trade-off being you get kits with full options, which is always a plus. It's only £10 more than DV over here, so assuming I can get the cash together before it sells out, I may be in on this, even if it breaks my 'no GW' rule.
Whether or not the Bits are worth the price rise is really down to preference.
Now I know that is the price I am interested, slightly tempted to do a SW detachment although really I want the rule book then flog the other contents off on eBay, could probably break even.
I am much more tempted just based on the price, I hope the discounters pick it up quick and I can get one for lowest price possible, I want a paper rule book (my iPad version is good but I like the tactile paper) and I reckon I can make a chunk of the investment back selling the orks, and maybe most of the wolves if I decide I cant be bothered having a wolf detachment, that will depend on a new codex being forthcoming.
$150 Cnd? Is it me, or is the price like $30-$50, maybe more than DV with less models?
The trade-off being you get kits with full options, which is always a plus. It's only £10 more than DV over here, so assuming I can get the cash together before it sells out, I may be in on this, even if it breaks my 'no GW' rule.
Whether or not the Bits are worth the price rise is really down to preference.
I've said this before, you also get a campaign book too. At the risk of sounding too much like a GW Rep with my "forge the narrative"-like spiel, a campaign book with various different missions is a great thing for new and veteran players alike. As a new player, it takes me back to the days of Battle for Macragge, which, despite only coming with a handful of models had different missions that provided different ways to play the game. That allowed you to get to grips with the rules more easily, as well as getting more use out of a limited selection of models. As for veteran players, they've all played hundreds of pitched battles, so new types of missions, especially ones set with some sort of backstory, are a welcome refresher. Plus, GW would normally charge at least £20 for such a book, most likely £30, so that's even more value off.
angelofvengeance wrote: I don't really like the guys at the front. Hair is too long. How would that lot fit inside a helmet?
lol Are you critiquing those heads that have been out for like 5 years? And two answers:
1) The same way that anything fits in a helmet...
2) Helmets are for the weak.
angelofvengeance wrote: I don't really like the guys at the front. Hair is too long. How would that lot fit inside a helmet?
lol Are you critiquing those heads that have been out for like 5 years? And two answers:
1) The same way that anything fits in a helmet...
2) Helmets are for the weak.
Dramagod2 wrote: So ,historically speaking, does this box set suggest that Space Wolves are next in line for a release?
/consults magic 8-ball...
'Ask again later'
Precedent doesn't mean a lot for GW. My guess is yes, but...
Not quite precedent, but here's the timeline for the armies from the current fantasy starter:
November 2007: High Elves (7th edition) (AT)
November 2009: Skaven (7th edition) (JV)
September 2010: Island of Blood
May 2013: High Elves (8th edition)
So skaven had been a fairly recent release when the starter came out, but High elves were already old, then didn't get a new book for several years after the starter set.
Laughs, Grukk seems to be very much a digitally recycled AOBR Warboss. The arms, legs and torso are almost straight out of AOBR model, the gun and klaw have seen only small changes.
Obviously this is something that can happen when doing digital sculpting - it's very easy to grab an existing model and modify it a bit - but still feels cheap, somehow!
prowla wrote: Obviously this is something that can happen when doing digital sculpting - it's very easy to grab an existing model and modify it a bit - but still feels cheap, somehow!
They could have at least mirrored the image so the Gun and Powerclaw would be on the opposite hands.
I think this kit is leaning toward- Kill the Xenos idea lol. Saying that though, Killa Kans should give Wolf Guard a run for their money. Nobz should be able to take the Blood Claws/Grey Hunters no worries, Grotz are like the cultists from DV- cannon fodder. For those of you complaining that they should've used a different army from SM. 40K is pretty much all about Humanity's struggle against the alien, the mutant, the heretic. Makes sense to have the Emperor's Finest in each edition.
That is the best match up, of course, but when you consider things a little more tactically, I think the wolves massively have the edge. The Wolf Guard can take an AC or CML, and the GH can take dual Plasmas (and a pistol) so the Kans will get shot to bits. The Grots will be shot down as soon as some bolters get in range, and offer very little in return; they're cannon fodder, but without anything to really protect. The Nobs are no harder to kill than 10 boyz, and the CML will ID them. I think the Wolves have it here, especially given the options available to them; the Orks only get choice on the Nobs (CC or different CC) and the Kans (shooty-killy or killy-shooty), while the Wolf Guard can GH (which can be built as more Wolf Guard if you fancy a super-Elite army) can be kitted out to take on almost anything with ease.
In terms of utility, SW win as well, everyone needs more PASW and Termies. Orks really got the raw end of the deal here, I think.
Nobz with heavy armor do alright against the marines. And really, if you layer them with all the klaws they have in the kit, they will do fine along with the kans since the only thing in the Marine side that can stop those two units is the terminators.
Well obviously there is that, but I thought that perhaps GW would expand on the character and it could be related as to why Grukk is in Bad Moons and then Goff colours.
It could simply be an illustration of that (the concept that Grukk can be a Warboss of any kind), although I hardly think people need to be explicitly told that they can diverge from the fluff colour schemes.
prowla wrote: Laughs, Grukk seems to be very much a digitally recycled AOBR Warboss. The arms, legs and torso are almost straight out of AOBR model, the gun and klaw have seen only small changes.
Yet more money I won't be spending this year. With all the new Ork stuff I thought this might bust my budget. Thanks, GW, for making stuff I don't need and thus won't have to spend money on.
balsak_da_mighty wrote: It's a good deal for models. But it is a bit lame to me. Seems like they are trying to cut corners. A lot!
That's GW in a nut shell now; least amount of effort, split content, reduced quality, breakneck release speed, higher prices.
Cutting corners from what? The existing campaign sets that included unique multi-pose figures at a discount? Because those never existed.
It would be nice if people could shift out of auto-moan occaisonally.
I have been speaking to some contacts and what I have been told is that the Space Wolves v Space Orks is NOT the STARTER SET, but a BOXED SET. DARK VENGEANCE II will still be the STARTER SET with BLOOD ANGELS v SPACE ORKS.
No I ain't screaming with the upper case, just highlighting.
balsak_da_mighty wrote: It's a good deal for models. But it is a bit lame to me. Seems like they are trying to cut corners. A lot!
That's GW in a nut shell now; least amount of effort, split content, reduced quality, breakneck release speed, higher prices.
Cutting corners from what? The existing campaign sets that included unique multi-pose figures at a discount? Because those never existed.
It would be nice if people could shift out of auto-moan occaisonally.
The fact that its the AOBR Warboss with a bit different pose. Was hoping for some new minis, not repackaged one. Sure its a deal, but what makes me want to buy it? Nothing at this point.
But hey I am just moaning, but so are you about us "Moaners".
What I have been told on this is that from 2014 GW will release its new editions every 4 years, within that time every two years they will bring out their Dark Vengeance series, the next is Dark Vengeance II with Blood Angels v Orks.
What we are getting as far as a Space Wolves v Orks is concerned is not a stater set but an apocalypse box set release, rumours has it that the box set will contain 3 Ork Killa Kans making an Apocalypse release.
I remember 'eavy metal having a special conversion article where they took the AOBR warboss and tarted it up. It turned out looking a lot like this Grukk...but better. Let me see if I can dig up a picture...
balsak_da_mighty wrote: It's a good deal for models. But it is a bit lame to me. Seems like they are trying to cut corners. A lot!
That's GW in a nut shell now; least amount of effort, split content, reduced quality, breakneck release speed, higher prices.
Cutting corners from what? The existing campaign sets that included unique multi-pose figures at a discount? Because those never existed.
It would be nice if people could shift out of auto-moan occaisonally.
The fact that its the AOBR Warboss with a bit different pose. Was hoping for some new minis, not repackaged one. Sure its a deal, but what makes me want to buy it? Nothing at this point.
But hey I am just moaning, but so are you about us "Moaners".
That's right, by identifying you as a moaner, I'm perpetuating the moan cycle! When will it end!!
As far as I'm aware the AoBR boss is no longer available at retail. I'm not going to claim it's the most exciting mini in the world but it's still a solid warboss even if you already own a similar one.
I don't see what people think this is preventing them from having. It's campaign support at a discount, it's a new avenue for 40k.
Not something you can use this regular complaint on. The box set gives you about $218 worth of multipart models alone for $125, and that is not counting the Mini-rulebook which is worth about $20-$30. This thing may not have an optimum loadout of models, but it is about a 50% discount on buying them individually, assuming they released the two characters individually.
I'm actually pretty pleased with that pricing. Whilst €100 is AU$145 and we're paying AU$190, that's only $10 more than we had to pay for DV and the contents of the box comes to around $279 NOT including the 2 (exclusive (and ing awesome imo)) characters, the rules, the dataslates, or the missions.
Yes the ork army (in particular) is crap, the special characters and the rules make up for it imo. And plus - if you can't use the ork stuff in your collection your doing Orks wrong - even if it's just to dump the kanz in your bits box
H.B.M.C. wrote: It'd it'd just been a box'a boyz, it would've been fine. I still like it, and the savings are actually really good... but Gretchin? Why Gretchin?
It's a shame - I sold off my 2 sets of AOBR Orks last year, because I figured there'd never be an affordable way to expand on them (well that - and I wasn't keen on painting a zillion orks). This would have been a nice, cheap complement to them. And I really like the new Warboss, particularly his squig.
I hope they do something like this for Fantasy some time though.
H.B.M.C. wrote: If it'd just been a box'a boyz, it would've been fine. I still like it, and the savings are actually really good... but Gretchin? Why Gretchin?
Probably so that a person can buy this and the Ork Mek Mob box and get a good core to an Ork force without any duplicate units. Or you can add a box of Boyz in a Trukk.
And weren't people talking about using minimum squads of grots as troops to open up more FOCs? Well here's some grots to do it with!
$190AUD? Grrr. Well, maybe I'll import one. I wouldn't mind getting the set just to paint up 2 opposing forces for little campaign based games with friends. Might add a box of boyz. But for $190AUD? That's pushing it a bit. I do like the SW special character and could use another 5 termies and 10 GH.
Presuming Grukk and Krom are both individual mini-sprues, and this box in a one-time release, does that suggest both mini-sprues will be individually available at some point?
I hope so, coz Grukk is the only thing I want out of that box, already having the other orky bits.
I do hope this is not the future of 40K starter sets, but if it's just a one-time release, I don't have a problem with it...
Clang wrote: Presuming Grukk and Krom are both individual mini-sprues, and this box in a one-time release, does that suggest both mini-sprues will be individually available at some point?
when i heard it was wolves i was a bit bummed out, but the ork set compliments what I've got perfectly. was planning on getting some kans and gretchin anyway. earlier someone mentioned "mini rule book" but i can't find any details, so is this a proper starter set? if so, i am so in
If this set is intended to be a starter then it is plain lazy, there are next to no exclusive models like those included in the Dark Vengeance kit, something which really attracted me to the set.
Not sure where they're going with the set anyway, really? Space Wolves and not Nilla marines? I know which one is more popular...
Automatically Appended Next Post: If this set is intended to be a starter then it is plain lazy, there are next to no exclusive models like those included in the Dark Vengeance kit, something which really attracted me to the set.
Not sure where they're going with the set anyway, really? Space Wolves and not Nilla marines? I know which one is more popular...
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Gargskull wrote: Seems like more of a catch up to the new edition set with some bonus campaign stuff. No dice or templates etc.
I've got loads of that stuff, i would be fine with just a mini rulebook and the minis. I will likely use the wolves as chaos marines. I do quite like the wolf terminators, might use them as the free retinue for zhufor
H.B.M.C. wrote: If it'd just been a box'a boyz, it would've been fine. I still like it, and the savings are actually really good... but Gretchin? Why Gretchin?
Remember the days of 2nd ed where you had 20 marines, 20 orks, 40 gretchin and a cardboard cutout of a dreadnought? As well as cardboard scenery. All for £40 (or equivalent)
Brother Payne wrote: I'm actually pretty pleased with that pricing. Whilst €100 is AU$145 and we're paying AU$190, that's only $10 more than we had to pay for DV and the contents of the box comes to around $279 NOT including the 2 (exclusive (and ing awesome imo)) characters, the rules, the dataslates, or the missions.
You think a company basing its prices on exchange rates from a decade ago is reasonable. Thats cute.
I might just fly over to Australia, grab 3 sets, and fly back... all for less than buying 3 sets here.
Brother Payne wrote: I'm actually pretty pleased with that pricing. Whilst €100 is AU$145 and we're paying AU$190, that's only $10 more than we had to pay for DV and the contents of the box comes to around $279 NOT including the 2 (exclusive (and ing awesome imo)) characters, the rules, the dataslates, or the missions.
You think a company basing its prices on exchange rates from a decade ago is reasonable. Thats cute.
I might just fly over to Australia, grab 3 sets, and fly back... all for less than buying 3 sets here.
I'm a little confused as to what you're insinuating, but I wholeheartedly acknowledge that NZ prices are even worse than what we've got here.
H.B.M.C. wrote: If it'd just been a box'a boyz, it would've been fine. I still like it, and the savings are actually really good... but Gretchin? Why Gretchin?
Remember the days of 2nd ed where you had 20 marines, 20 orks, 40 gretchin and a cardboard cutout of a dreadnought? As well as cardboard scenery. All for £40 (or equivalent)
Does anyone remember stepping on one of those gretchin? Good lord, I'm lucky I don't still have a helmet spike embedded in my heel.
H.B.M.C. wrote: If it'd just been a box'a boyz, it would've been fine. I still like it, and the savings are actually really good... but Gretchin? Why Gretchin?
Gretchin are inferior to boyz and less useful as models. They can't do deffgun conversions or become burna boyz or tankbustas like boyz can.
Killa Kanz got nerfed and foot Nobz got their painboyz and their cybork bodies taken away and they can't be troops with a warboss (ironically included in this kit).
Plus an 'eavy armor warboss.
Basically a selection of the worst units in the codex. Space Wolves rather than generic SM round it out because of their iconography they cannot be repurposed for other MEQ armies or bought in bulk. It's basically the opposite of AOBR. The fact that they're multipose is actually good, though.
H.B.M.C. wrote: If it'd just been a box'a boyz, it would've been fine. I still like it, and the savings are actually really good... but Gretchin? Why Gretchin?
Gretchin are inferior to boyz and less useful as models. They can't do deffgun conversions or become burna boyz or tankbustas like boyz can.
Killa Kanz got nerfed and foot Nobz got their painboyz and their cybork bodies taken away and they can't be troops with a warboss (ironically included in this kit).
Plus an 'eavy armor warboss.
Basically a selection of the worst units in the codex. Space Wolves rather than generic SM round it out because of their iconography they cannot be repurposed for other MEQ armies or bought in bulk. It's basically the opposite of AOBR. The fact that they're multipose is actually good, though.
Not only that...but since this isn't a starter, why would they give you a "starter" amount of models/selection?
This set compliments the Mek Mob box fairly well. It would compliment the Space Wolf Battleforce as well.
H.B.M.C. wrote: If it'd just been a box'a boyz, it would've been fine. I still like it, and the savings are actually really good... but Gretchin? Why Gretchin?
Gretchin are inferior to boyz and less useful as models. They can't do deffgun conversions or become burna boyz or tankbustas like boyz can.
Killa Kanz got nerfed and foot Nobz got their painboyz and their cybork bodies taken away and they can't be troops with a warboss (ironically included in this kit).
Plus an 'eavy armor warboss.
Basically a selection of the worst units in the codex. Space Wolves rather than generic SM round it out because of their iconography they cannot be repurposed for other MEQ armies or bought in bulk. It's basically the opposite of AOBR. The fact that they're multipose is actually good, though.
Not only that...but since this isn't a starter, why would they give you a "starter" amount of models/selection?
This set compliments the Mek Mob box fairly well. It would compliment the Space Wolf Battleforce as well.
Well... it comes with a small-form rulebook, and two forces, and a campaign book to top it off as well as a small "Here's some scenarios using the forces we provided" booklet IIRC. Other than the fact GW bills it as not being a starter set, what exactly makes it not a starter set? If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck but calls itself a dog, is it a duck?
H.B.M.C. wrote: If it'd just been a box'a boyz, it would've been fine. I still like it, and the savings are actually really good... but Gretchin? Why Gretchin?
Gretchin are inferior to boyz and less useful as models. They can't do deffgun conversions or become burna boyz or tankbustas like boyz can.
Killa Kanz got nerfed and foot Nobz got their painboyz and their cybork bodies taken away and they can't be troops with a warboss (ironically included in this kit).
Plus an 'eavy armor warboss.
Basically a selection of the worst units in the codex. Space Wolves rather than generic SM round it out because of their iconography they cannot be repurposed for other MEQ armies or bought in bulk. It's basically the opposite of AOBR. The fact that they're multipose is actually good, though.
Not only that...but since this isn't a starter, why would they give you a "starter" amount of models/selection?
This set compliments the Mek Mob box fairly well. It would compliment the Space Wolf Battleforce as well.
Both of these armies are playable as is under unbound.
As far as the unit choice, saying that this represents the worst models in the codex isn't really accurate. nobs in heavy armor with klaws mixed in work fine. Kans are still about as good as they were before, they just don't hit as hard. But spawned en masse, they are quite difficult to deal with for opponents. Snagging a couple of these boxes will let me pump out another 10 flashgitz (mixed with that kit) get to 18 cans, and I can always use more gretchin.
Gretchin are the gate way to multiple FOC, which is essential in many set up to good ork lists.
H.B.M.C. wrote: If it'd just been a box'a boyz, it would've been fine. I still like it, and the savings are actually really good... but Gretchin? Why Gretchin?
Remember the days of 2nd ed where you had 20 marines, 20 orks, 40 gretchin and a cardboard cutout of a dreadnought? As well as cardboard scenery. All for £40 (or equivalent)
Does anyone remember stepping on one of those gretchin? Good lord, I'm lucky I don't still have a helmet spike embedded in my heel.
Yes. Many many times since I used to play 40k on the lounge floor at that time. I also remember my father putting one on a bonfire for Guy Fawkes (he's never been a big fan of my hobby) and to my amazement it survived. Not even melted a little bit!
Back on topic- if you don't like Gretchin you're doing Orks wrong
Only problem I have with this box is lack of Boyz. I mean, Gretchin? Wtf?
Other than that, I don't see why the moaning - sure it's not quite as good deal as bona fide starter box, but still good discount by GW standards. Since it seems obvious that DV is going to make a return after this one sells out, this is not a replacement for previous starter boxes either and criticizing it compared to them is pointless. I really hope they make more boxes like this.
The Warboss might be vaguely similar to AOBR warboss, but recycling (or 'paying tribute') old models is not a new phenomenon. In fact, old metal warboss was also duplicated:
Yeah but there's a reason why a lot of GW's metal models were the same model done over and over again with slight variations (their Necromunda range is a wonderful example of this). That's just the norm for these sorts of metal models (and they were metal when originally created). For a plastic one though... I mean you've got to make a new expensive mould, why remake essentially the same model?
Brother Payne wrote: I'm actually pretty pleased with that pricing. Whilst €100 is AU$145 and we're paying AU$190, that's only $10 more than we had to pay for DV and the contents of the box comes to around $279 NOT including the 2 (exclusive (and ing awesome imo)) characters, the rules, the dataslates, or the missions.
You think a company basing its prices on exchange rates from a decade ago is reasonable. Thats cute.
I might just fly over to Australia, grab 3 sets, and fly back... all for less than buying 3 sets here.
You can get a return flight from NZ at $96 (given current exchange rates that's about what you'll save)? I need to fly to NZ for more holidays if it's that cheap, lol.
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Backfire wrote: The Warboss might be vaguely similar to AOBR warboss, but recycling (or 'paying tribute') old models is not a new phenomenon. In fact, old metal warboss was also duplicated:
Didn't both those models exist simultaneously in metal, it's just the translation to finecast only occurred for the helmeted one?
I have 0 use for the weedly little gits except as oilers, ammo carriers and orderlies!
Serisouly, I'd rather just take more boyz.
All in all, the two armies couldn't be more lopsided.
Grey Hunters are among the best troop choices in the game right now. Grots are among the "hide behind a rock and hope to claim an objective" category. Blood Claws (while being perfect stand-ins for Grey Hunters) are at least still troops making the SW force playable outside Unbound.*
Terminators > 'Eavy Armor nobz. There's no comparison at all. Even at 2W for the Nobz, the 2+/5++ of terminators waaaaaaay outweighs the 4+ of the Nobz (assuming they even HAVE 'Eavy Armor in the first place!)
'Eavy Armor Warboss with no transport? Ouch.
And Killa Kanz at least fit this set simply because there's little enough shooting that can hurt them. That said, they're pretty bad in the new Codex. Increased cost, decreased melee capability, AND the (unique among vehicles) chance of being Shaken.
*I still laugh every single time someone suggests "Just play Unbound" for anything.
The Gretchin vs Boyz argument could go on for ever.
If I was to go out on a limb I would guess that as this is not a 'starter box' but a limited campaign box GW have set it up differently for a specific market
I would guess this box is not marketed at beginners, in fact if I was to walk into a GW store when it was out as a complete noob and said I wanted to start the hobby they would walk me towards a DV set (I am going to guess the reason DV has been pulled is they are switching the books and this takes time) as it contains dice, rules, larger armies etc etc.
Stormclaw on the other hand is a different funky mix of models, Wolves that any marine player can take as a detachment or convert and Orks who are of interest for all the players who want to try the 7th codex and of course it has a small rule book that is handy for all of us who have either not bought one, only bought the e-edition or have the big one and want a pocket sized version to take to games.
I see it selling well, hell I want one just for the little rule book.
Fundamentally this is an addition to an existing players collection, not a new players welcome to the hobby, and I for one appreciate that.
Both of these armies are playable as is under unbound.
Take your entire 40k collection from multiple armies and throw it into a padded empty Battlefoam 720XL case. Blindfold yourself and reach in to pull out 50 random miniatures. Congrats, you can make an unbound army out of it some of it. Unfortunately, the anything goes Unbound "rules" (and I put that in quotes because throwing away almost all the rules shouldn't count as a rule IMO) can be used to justify almost anything so they don't reasonably justify anything. That said... the space wolf lists possible are nice with that set. Terminators are solid with lots of variable bits and the power armor squads can make two small or one large squad of grey hunters since BC and GH use the same sprues. All in all, you can make a cool ally matrix force with the space wolf half. I can't speak much for the ork side though as I haven't played orks in 3 editions despite my username and haven't played against them in a few years either.
Both of these armies are playable as is under unbound.
Take your entire 40k collection from multiple armies and throw it into a padded empty Battlefoam 720XL case. Blindfold yourself and reach in to pull out 50 random miniatures. Congrats, you can make an unbound army out of it some of it. Unfortunately, the anything goes Unbound "rules" (and I put that in quotes because throwing away almost all the rules shouldn't count as a rule IMO) can be used to justify almost anything so they don't reasonably justify anything. That said... the space wolf lists possible are nice with that set. Terminators are solid with lots of variable bits and the power armor squads can make two small or one large squad of grey hunters since BC and GH use the same sprues. All in all, you can make a cool ally matrix force with the space wolf half. I can't speak much for the ork side though as I haven't played orks in 3 editions despite my username and haven't played against them in a few years either.
The product details for Stormclaw says that there are Datasheets included within the campaign book for using the components of the game without needing to go Unbound.
angelofvengeance wrote: Won't be buying it (Dark Angels and Space Wolves not exactly best buds) but the models look nice.
As someone who plays both, it's always special when the Sons of the Lion and the Wolf take to the field together. There will always be a duel between the two commanders before the game (although with a DA Libby vs a tooled up Wolf Lord, it can be a little one-sided. Rune/Wolf priests make it a more even fight) and each side strives to outdo their brothers in feats of battle. The narrative forges itself (and that's said without a hint of sarcasm).
warboss wrote: All in all, you can make a cool ally matrix force with the space wolf half. I can't speak much for the ork side though as I haven't played orks in 3 editions despite my username and haven't played against them in a few years either.
Agreed. The Space Wolf half of that box is a perfect ally force. HQ, 10 Grey Hunters and some Terminators if you want them. Good stuff all around.
Any ideas on the point values of the armies included based on what we know? I know the characters would be impossible to know, but I can't imagine they would uber-powerful...
KTG17 wrote: Any ideas on the point values of the armies included based on what we know? I know the characters would be impossible to know, but I can't imagine they would uber-powerful...
Assuming nothing funky, and using 5e codex costs, SW is about 450, rounding since we can't tell if someone has Mark of the Wulfen, etc, and there appears to be 2 entries for the Wolf Guard we can't make out yet in the WD.
H.B.M.C. wrote:Yeah but there's a reason why a lot of GW's metal models were the same model done over and over again with slight variations (their Necromunda range is a wonderful example of this). That's just the norm for these sorts of metal models (and they were metal when originally created). For a plastic one though... I mean you've got to make a new expensive mould, why remake essentially the same model?
From what I understand, a fair bit of the cost is actually in designing a CAD model that avoids undercuts.
Also - if the characters are limited, that's less time to recoup the costs, so any savings are welcome.
Both of these armies are playable as is under unbound.
Take your entire 40k collection from multiple armies and throw it into a padded empty Battlefoam 720XL case. Blindfold yourself and reach in to pull out 50 random miniatures. Congrats, you can make an unbound army out of it some of it. Unfortunately, the anything goes Unbound "rules" (and I put that in quotes because throwing away almost all the rules shouldn't count as a rule IMO) can be used to justify almost anything so they don't reasonably justify anything. That said... the space wolf lists possible are nice with that set. Terminators are solid with lots of variable bits and the power armor squads can make two small or one large squad of grey hunters since BC and GH use the same sprues. All in all, you can make a cool ally matrix force with the space wolf half. I can't speak much for the ork side though as I haven't played orks in 3 editions despite my username and haven't played against them in a few years either.
The product details for Stormclaw says that there are Datasheets included within the campaign book for using the components of the game without needing to go Unbound.
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I don't doubt it (even if you didn't have the pic) as apoc style datasheets seem to be the GW thing recently. I'm just not convinced that going to a much more open army building system will work for a game as venerable as 40k without a complete 3rd edition style overhaul/rebalancing. Heck, after buying $50 rapid fire codex hardcovers for the past two years I'm not sure I'd want to invalidate them either. I just wish that they would have stuck to the old FOC instead of opening things up without any regard for how it would be used. That isn't here or there though regarding this boxed set though.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Yeah but there's a reason why a lot of GW's metal models were the same model done over and over again with slight variations (their Necromunda range is a wonderful example of this). That's just the norm for these sorts of metal models (and they were metal when originally created). For a plastic one though... I mean you've got to make a new expensive mould, why remake essentially the same model?
Well even a lot of GW's plastic range is the same thing of only a few poses based off a few models and then variants are simply different details sculpted on to the same base model. Probably because actually designing the model is of some considerable cost of money and/or time.
So the last post I was informed that they were leaked 7th edition starter set pics. After speaking to the local GW rep that supplies our store Mind Games. I was told its actually part two of the Red Waaagh Sanctus Reach Campaign book. This set adds new missions and continues the story with Space Wolves and Orks in a limited run kit. It includes new character models and rules and datasheets for both the special Orks character and the Space Wolves character. This is very limited and includes a campaign supplement and a mini 7th ed rulebook.
chris13f wrote: So the last post I was informed that they were leaked 7th edition starter set pics. After speaking to the local GW rep that supplies our store Mind Games. I was told its actually part two of the Red Waaagh Sanctus Reach Campaign book. This set adds new missions and continues the story with Space Wolves and Orks in a limited run kit. It includes new character models and rules and datasheets for both the special Orks character and the Space Wolves character. This is very limited and includes a campaign supplement and a mini 7th ed rulebook.
That's quite cool. I have no use for the rules or the wolves though so unless I can off load them soonish. It's no point in me getting it.
chris13f wrote: So the last post I was informed that they were leaked 7th edition starter set pics. After speaking to the local GW rep that supplies our store Mind Games. I was told its actually part two of the Red Waaagh Sanctus Reach Campaign book. This set adds new missions and continues the story with Space Wolves and Orks in a limited run kit. It includes new character models and rules and datasheets for both the special Orks character and the Space Wolves character. This is very limited and includes a campaign supplement and a mini 7th ed rulebook.
Soo... The thing we've been saying for the last couple days because of the pics of the leaked WD?
balsak_da_mighty wrote: It's a good deal for models. But it is a bit lame to me. Seems like they are trying to cut corners. A lot!
That's GW in a nut shell now; least amount of effort, split content, reduced quality, breakneck release speed, higher prices.
Cutting corners from what? The existing campaign sets that included unique multi-pose figures at a discount? Because those never existed.
It would be nice if people could shift out of auto-moan occaisonally.
And it seems there is a growing number of willful ignorant, not surprising the cycle of abuse has gone back into the apologetic stage. GW has been cutting content and increasing costs while lowering quality with cut and paste rules. And they did exist, they were when battle forces saved you a ton of money, and the campaign book is another thing you'll need to buy if it contains anything useful, and there is little way to know without blind buying it.
With a bit if imagination these could be a great tool to get models out without codex releases. Just imagine de vs ce where you have a plastic archon with plastic incubi + existing kits vs plastic autarch with some plastic fire dragons + existing kits. Have to see how they work the angles in future.
chris13f wrote: So the last post I was informed that they were leaked 7th edition starter set pics. After speaking to the local GW rep that supplies our store Mind Games. I was told its actually part two of the Red Waaagh Sanctus Reach Campaign book. This set adds new missions and continues the story with Space Wolves and Orks in a limited run kit. It includes new character models and rules and datasheets for both the special Orks character and the Space Wolves character. This is very limited and includes a campaign supplement and a mini 7th ed rulebook.
You really should attempt to read a thread before replying. This has been known for quite some time.
And it seems there is a growing number of willful ignorant, not surprising the cycle of abuse has gone back into the apologetic stage. GW has been cutting content and increasing costs while lowering quality with cut and paste rules. And they did exist, they were when battle forces saved you a ton of money, and the campaign book is another thing you'll need to buy if it contains anything useful, and there is little way to know without blind buying it.
You mean like how this set saves you money?
$46.25 for the Killa Kans
$25.00 for the Nobs
$16.50 for the Gretchin Mob
$37.25 for the Grey Hunters/Blood Claws(you can build 10 of either as a full unit or mix and match for 5/5)
$50 for the Wolf Guard Terminators
Not counting the characters (I'd put them at around $25 for Grukk and $30 for Krom; because Space Marine stuff is always priced higher), the campaign book(which is included in the box), and the mini copy of "The Rules"--you're looking at $175 for just the repacked models.
If you want to get technical, you hit $125(the list price of Stormclaw) with just the Ork stuff and the Grey Hunters/Blood Claws box. Essentially everything else is gravy.
And it seems there is a growing number of willful ignorant, not surprising the cycle of abuse has gone back into the apologetic stage.
Jesus Christ. Get a grip.
Your complaining that the discounted campaign set isn't discounted deeply enough and that you may or may not find new campaign content 'useful'.
Glad to see you are breaking free from the cycle of abuse. You are everyone's secret hero.
You know, I probably moan about GW here often enough to be seen by some as a hater, but even I (a) plan to buy this set and (b) can't really understand why anyone feels the need to complain about GW finally doing something that most of us have been clamouring for for ages, which is bundling some proper, full boxes of minis (rather than monopose snap-fits) at a decent discount. We even get a couple of limited edition minis and a rulebook and some scenarios thrown in.
And if you don't like the minis then it's not for you. This isn't a mandatory purchase by any stretch of the imagination.
I do wonder if there's repetition between the Red Waaagh book and the contents of the Stormclaw box though? That would obviously lower any added value that the campaign content might provide.
Very pleased with the price. That said, I have plenty of GH and WGT sprues...more than I need. And I like the Orks, but I'm not going to build an Ork army. So I really just want this for Krom and the books. So I appreciate the very reasonable price, since it makes all of the extra stuff seem cheap.
I'd much prefer a legit starter set, with more monopose Wolves and Orkses, but this is pretty cool as well.
Maybe I can trade the Orks for the Wolves, and get two Kroms out of it.
He's not happy. This isn't a starter, Dark Vengeance has apparently disappeared for all time (not just a repack), he's had no indication about how exactly he's supposed to induct new players without the key product he uses for doing so.
This isn't uniquely GW incompetence, I've been in similar situations myself ("you've told me I need to sell x of these this month to earn my bonus, it's the second week of the month, I haven't got any, I haven't had any, I can't order any. How do you expect me to do my fething job when you can't do yours?" Might have left this poster's lips when speaking to his boss on one occasion!) but it is hugely incompetent.
azreal13 wrote: Dark Vengeance has apparently disappeared for all time (not just a repack), he's had no indication about how exactly he's supposed to induct new players without the key product he uses for doing so.
Not to disagree with an anonymous GW staffer, but White Dwarf disagrees with him.
I challenged him on that, and he said, as far as he could tell, it was gone for good, was missing from all his admin materials etc..
Not a jobs worth staffer either, we had a good chat about the new box, you know, the one here in this 17 page thread that GW don't acknowledge the existence of.
I don't know if anyone has posted this, but this is what's been sent to a FLGS. He was only allowed to order 2 sets though, that's it 0_o
"SANCTUM REACH: STORMCLAW
A new combination box that offers your customers a great value deal of approximately 45% added value (not even including all the books that you get for FREE!) The box contains the following:
Space Wolves Army: five Wolf Guard Terminators, a Space Wolves pack (five Grey Hunters or five Blood Claws) and a new plastic character model: Wolf Lord Krom Dragongaze
Space Orks Army: five Ork Nobz, ten Ork Gretchins, a Runtherd, three Ork Killa Kans and a new plastic character model: Ork Warboss Grukk Face-rippa
Rulebook: A small format softback edition of Warhammer 40.000: The Rules
Campaign Book: a 32-page campaign booklet detailing the Battle of Blistered Isle, part of the Battle of Alaric Prime. It contains army list datasheets and Formation datasheets for all models in the box (including special rules and war gear rules), datasheets for the Wolf Lord Krom Dragongaze and Warlord Grukk Face-rippa (With Warlord Traits, special rules and Relics) and 3 missions based on the narrative content.
Please note this is not like Dark Vengeance! This product will contain two armies and a small rulebook, but this is a one-off box, that will not be repeated, and it will not replace Dark Vengeance!
This product will only be available while stock lasts, and it is not expected to be available for order after the release date, so please order as soon as possible!"
Ok so that's another confirmation that Dark Vengeance won't disappear. Whoever told that guy that Dark Vengeance wouldn't come back was talking out of his ass probably.
He's not happy. This isn't a starter, Dark Vengeance has apparently disappeared for all time (not just a repack), he's had no indication about how exactly he's supposed to induct new players without the key product he uses for doing so.
Ignoring for a moment the fact that everything else seems to be pointing to DV being re-released with the new rules, surely they could just sell this box as a starter by bundling it with a dice cube, a tape and some templates?
Works out more expensive that way, but better than nothing.
ashikenshin wrote: Ok so that's another confirmation that Dark Vengeance won't disappear. Whoever told that guy that Dark Vengeance wouldn't come back was talking out of his ass probably.
That would be me, and no, take it from me that he sincerely believed what he was saying, this was a GW employee speaking negatively about GW in a store (which, perversely, makes me more likely to patronise the store!) not something I'd expect them to do lightly with someone they didn't know well.
Being an ex-retailer myself, the best explanation I can offer which makes everyone correct is that Dark Vengeance 6th and Dark Vengeance 7th have different SKUs, meaning that Dark Vengeance as we knew it really has disappeared, only to be replaced with a new version which is identical except for the rulebook and barcode. This would mean that the old version would indeed vanish from GW store systems, and if Lenton haven't yet deigned to tell the stores it's coming or upload the new code into the system, then it could very much look like it has been deleted at store level.
While this specific set is of no interest to me, should GW put out similar campaign boxes for one of my existing armies it's likely I'd buy it. It's also possible players thinking about starting a new army might buy a small sampler like this just to get a feel for said army before taking the plunge.
Back in WHFB 5th ed, GW produced several simple campaign sets with some cardboard terrain themed for the specific campaign. They only put out a Dark Angels vs Orks one for 40k. These seemed like good ideas, but perhaps they did not sell well enough for GW to continue in later editions or to add further 40k ones.
I hope they keep doing this kind of deals for other armies too. While keeping dark vengeance
Tannhauser42 wrote: To go with what Azreal13 is saying, is that the "new" DV still hasn't appeared yet, and there is still no confirmation on when it will come out, which still creates a big problem for the stores as they have no starter box to sell.
yeah, hopefully they fix this soon. Must suck for store owners pushing gw plastic crack.
To go with what Azreal13 is saying, is that the "new" DV still hasn't appeared yet, and there is still no confirmation on when it will come out, which still creates a big problem for the stores as they have no starter box to sell.
stubacca wrote: I
Space Wolves Army: five Wolf Guard Terminators, a Space Wolves pack (five Grey Hunters or five Blood Claws) and a new plastic character model: Wolf Lord Krom Dragongaze
Wait a second - OR? so there's not 10 marines, just five???
While the box contents are an odd mismatch to me, at least they are things that are generally useful to a SW or Ork player. Most SW players can use more grey hunters/blood claws and Wolf Guard. Most ork players can use more grots and nobs. They just increased the unit size of Killa Kans, so a LOT of ork players can take more of them (I know I was gonna get a box).
I'm hoping that the paperback rulebook isn't exclusively available through this box set, because I could see this being a cool way to sell more of them. Box the paperback rules with two factions, including generally useful kits, and throw in some exclusive stuff. Release and repeat. I'm NEVER crazy about selling models only in a bundle (if you make a model, sell it to the people who want to buy it!) but the rulebook/small force box set is a cool idea. I hope it works for them. I know I'm getting one, because I like that Grukk model a lot (and I was gonna buy some Killa Kans anyway!)
stubacca wrote: I
Space Wolves Army: five Wolf Guard Terminators, a Space Wolves pack (five Grey Hunters or five Blood Claws) and a new plastic character model: Wolf Lord Krom Dragongaze
Wait a second - OR? so there's not 10 marines, just five???
Ancestral Hamster wrote: While this specific set is of no interest to me, should GW put out similar campaign boxes for one of my existing armies it's likely I'd buy it. It's also possible players thinking about starting a new army might buy a small sampler like this just to get a feel for said army before taking the plunge.
Back in WHFB 5th ed, GW produced several simple campaign sets with some cardboard terrain themed for the specific campaign. They only put out a Dark Angels vs Orks one for 40k. These seemed like good ideas, but perhaps they did not sell well enough for GW to continue in later editions or to add further 40k ones.
Brother, take your sadness and channel it into righteous rage! For the Emperor and Sanguinius! DEATH!
Maybe GW will be kind and produce a Gehenna Campiagn box, y'know where the Blood Angels and Necrons allied against the 'nids.
This would be epic beyond comprehension and I would buy it, and love it.
Of course if they did this, they'd have to make two mini's, one necron and one blood angel, that you could mount together on the same base in mid-fist bump.
This would be epic beyond comprehension and I would buy it, and love it.
Of course if they did this, they'd have to make two mini's, one necron and one blood angel, that you could mount together on the same base in mid-fist bump.
Don't be ridiculous. Chapterhouse would make the conversion kit.
Quite glad to read that this is not the new starter set...
I've bought the last 3 starter sets.. and dont even play the game!
But this would have turned me right off as a starter; some models I can already buy now, dont need or want, for two unique chars woop
I'l keep holding these pennies tight untill I see this Dark Vengeance II that is spoken of, and hope for some nice shiny unique sculpts that I cant buy already - the existing DV set has so much value in its cool figures that this wolves v orks things doesnt look to have any of.. (Blood Angels v Orks would make my day tho)
Space wolf player here and not impressed. Don't need or want any of those SW models and the orks for me is more of GW making me buy more I won't use, want or need had I been interested in the SW.
HairySticks wrote: I'l keep holding these pennies tight untill I see this Dark Vengeance II that is spoken of, and hope for some nice shiny unique sculpts that I cant buy already - the existing DV set has so much value in its cool figures that this wolves v orks things doesnt look to have any of.. (Blood Angels v Orks would make my day tho)
"DV 2" isn't going to be anything new - it'll be the same DV models an updated rulebook and maybe a new box... So don't get your hopes up
Space Wolves Army: five Wolf Guard Terminators, a Space Wolves pack (five Grey Hunters OR five Blood Claws) and a new plastic character model: Wolf Lord Krom Dragongaze
Emphasis mine... shouldn't that be AND? The pictures have 10 Grey Hunter models but this little line suggest you only get 5... am I missing something?
All power armour Space Wolf models are the same in that they come from the same kit. GW have chosen to list the contents as 5 Blood Claws and 5 Grey Hunters, when really you could do any combination of those. It's probably because the scenarios and formations in the rulebooks include an army that has 5 Grey Hunters and 5 Blood Claws.
Of course, it could be a precursor to GW Dire Avenger-ing the Space Wolf box, reducing its contents to 5 Marines whilst keeping the price the same. Let's all hope it isn't.
I get being worse as a starter, but there's a lot of whining about being existing models on here that I didn't expect. This gives you starter set prices on the far superior multi-part models, rather than uniformly inferior snap-fit models. For new players, I get it. For Dakkaites, it should be an advantage for 99% of players.
At least your getting some good looking models. I dont know anyone who dislikes the SW Terminators and if it is a full box of Space Wolf Pack, your going to get tons of additional bits.
I really feel that the orks probably get left out a bit in the cold model wise. You can only do so much with grots. Hopefully the Kans will have all the shooty options as it sucks to get hamstrung with only a specific load out.
Still not buying it. I'd have considered it if it was AOBR pricing and grubbins. Its nice that its at a discounted price, but I'd rather spend $135 on a single force with a 20% off retailer.
would of liked there to be more box specific models (like Dark Vengeance had) but it's nice none the less. I don't have the 7th ed books but I knew i would just wait for the box set for the mini rule book. For almost the same price (after discount) you get a portable rule book and a few models of which both armies that i play so a win win in my book.
Thing is, if limited run campaign box sets are going to be the New Thing (and I REALLY hope they are), we are going to see some non-Space Marine releases eventually, because the boxes are going to sell out rapidly whoever goes in them.
That's what I'm hoping for! I'd quite like a Dark Eldar box set, and I'm hoping they're due soon, going off the fact one of the dudes is the cover art for the rule book...? I think.
...and the orks for me is more of GW making me buy more I won't use, want or need had I been interested in the SW.
You're not impressed with the kit, and you don't need or want the SW minis. So how exactly are GW MAKING you buy them?
GW are selling this as specific (Value For Money!) entry point to a campaign involving SW and Orks. Complaining that it contains those two factions is pointless. It would be great if they could do bespoke starter sets at a discount. But not one single other company does this either...
Well, I can't speak for him, but if I didn't want the other models in the box I would be irritated too. Reason being is that the box contains rules In published form for not only characters but also formations.
If you play in legitimate groups, in that people expect you to not have illegally copied books, this can pose an unfortunate problem.
Add to that they are now saying its limited..
Imagine the codex now requiring you to buy the battleforce of the army in a big box for extreme.
I'm personally happy about this campaign box, I think its awesome, but I do think there are many legitimate concerns about it.
I think you'll be able to buy legitimate electronic versions of the formations from Black Library. At a guess they'll release a Sanctus Reach compilation with all of them in.
Bulldogging wrote: Well, I can't speak for him, but if I didn't want the other models in the box I would be irritated too. Reason being is that the box contains rules In published form for not only characters but also formations.
If you play in legitimate groups, in that people expect you to not have illegally copied books, this can pose an unfortunate problem.
Add to that they are now saying its limited..
Imagine the codex now requiring you to buy the battleforce of the army in a big box for extreme.
I'm personally happy about this campaign box, I think its awesome, but I do think there are many legitimate concerns about it.
Still not seeing a problem here - don't want it don't buy it. If you only want part of it, buy it and sell the rest or do without it.
Probably not for me, but I'll keep an open mind for now.
Kal-El wrote: Space wolf player here and not impressed. Don't need or want any of those SW models and the orks for me is more of GW making me buy more I won't use, want or need had I been interested in the SW.
What would it need for you to be impressed? I think most established SW players would already have plenty of everything, I'm sure how they're supposed to do better than offering you the main core unit + a popular elite unit.
Ian Sturrock wrote: Thing is, if limited run campaign box sets are going to be the New Thing (and I REALLY hope they are), we are going to see some non-Space Marine releases eventually, because the boxes are going to sell out rapidly whoever goes in them.
Hands up who'd like to see a Sanctuary 101 campaign set, with Sisters and Necrons.
At this point, and with Allies being what they are, I'd seriously consider buying just about any combo GW are likely to release, so long as it comes with a hefty discount and some bonus stuff.
Ian Sturrock wrote: Thing is, if limited run campaign box sets are going to be the New Thing (and I REALLY hope they are), we are going to see some non-Space Marine releases eventually, because the boxes are going to sell out rapidly whoever goes in them.
Space Marines vs Nids
BA vs Necron
GK Vs Daemons
BT vs Tau
CSM vs IG
They can keep going for a while.
Then do Eldar: Kinwars followed by Squats vs Sisters.
Ian Sturrock wrote: At this point, and with Allies being what they are, I'd seriously consider buying just about any combo GW are likely to release, so long as it comes with a hefty discount and some bonus stuff.
^^^^ This. I enjoy painting different models. Multiple campaign boxes with different factions would be great for me. Let's you try out new stuff with minimal investment.
...and the orks for me is more of GW making me buy more I won't use, want or need had I been interested in the SW.
You're not impressed with the kit, and you don't need or want the SW minis. So how exactly are GW MAKING you buy them?
GW are selling this as specific (Value For Money!) entry point to a campaign involving SW and Orks. Complaining that it contains those two factions is pointless. It would be great if they could do bespoke starter sets at a discount. But not one single other company does this either...
EXACTLY why I won't be buying it, wanting it or needing it. Thanks Captain O.
Kal-El wrote: Space wolf player here and not impressed. Don't need or want any of those SW models and the orks for me is more of GW making me buy more I won't use, want or need had I been interested in the SW.
What would it need for you to be impressed? I think most established SW players would already have plenty of everything, I'm sure how they're supposed to do better than offering you the main core unit + a popular elite unit.
Considering assault on black reach offered 3 unique def copters, I would honestly be looking for more uniqueness besides the 2 single HQs. For me, a single hq per faction, one faction I don't play isn't enough for me to even consider. For a new player this is great don't get me wrong.
Considering assault on black reach offered 3 unique def copters, I would honestly be looking for more uniqueness besides the 2 single HQs. For me, a single hq per faction, one faction I don't play isn't enough for me to even consider. For a new player this is great don't get me wrong.
Not complaining about Black Reach (since I bought, I think, three of them for the orks and koptas ), but I'm much happier to have a unique HQ model only available in a box than a standard unit choice. I'm sure all of the CSM players who had the choice of only one Helbrute for far too long would agree with me.
GW needs to get away from the 'limited release' for models entirely, IMHO, and sell models to people who want to buy them. However, it's at least a little more palatable to restrict the sales of one or two special characters than making things like Chosen, Cultists, and Deff Koptas hard to get.
The ork list in there is absolutely horrible. The terminators will win that fight alone barring REALLY bad dice.
Grots are useless except for cheap backyard objective holding and minimal troop requirements. Killakans will be wrecked before they swing regular Nobz are and have always been useless Warboss without armor or bike is too vulnerable
I was seriously expecting them to rebirth the Deffkopta model, since AOBR is pretty damn hard to get now and it was the preferred model. People bought that thing PURELY for the deffkopta models, and would do so again methinks.
Maybe the scenarios in the box are... gasp... balanced (!) to take into account the asymmetry between the two forces included. I think it'd be another first for GW, but we live in a new era.
I have a SW army at roughly 2000pts, and I'd love to add this to my collection. I'm giddy. I'm not "new" to the hobby but I'm 2 years in and still growing. I don't know why people are so up in arms about a set that basically holds roughly the same unit value as the Battleforce, for the same price and oh by the way, you get a bunch of orks thrown in free in-case you wanted to play around with another army.
I feel most people who are opposed to this are looking at the price-point in comparison the the models for the one army they are wanting and going "$110 for those orks is silly" and completely dismissing the second army.
I'm going in with an ork friend who wants the books and so we worked out that I'd pay $55 for the SW, and he would pay $75 for the Orks and all of the books.
That is great value. It works because we split it.
Just like codexes you have to view box-sets in a vacuum of their value for the models and not a comparison to previous sets and what you feel you should get. I mean, Orks just had 6 weeks of new models and people are seriously complaining because there are no new Ork models in this set?!
SmurfInABlender wrote: I have a SW army at roughly 2000pts, and I'd love to add this to my collection. I'm giddy. I'm not "new" to the hobby but I'm 2 years in and still growing. I don't know why people are so up in arms about a set that basically holds roughly the same unit value as the Battleforce, for the same price and oh by the way, you get a bunch of orks thrown in free in-case you wanted to play around with another army.
I feel most people who are opposed to this are looking at the price-point in comparison the the models for the one army they are wanting and going "$110 for those orks is silly" and completely dismissing the second army.
I'm going in with an ork friend who wants the books and so we worked out that I'd pay $55 for the SW, and he would pay $75 for the Orks and all of the books.
That is great value. It works because we split it.
Just like codexes you have to view box-sets in a vacuum of their value for the models and not a comparison to previous sets and what you feel you should get. I mean, Orks just had 6 weeks of new models and people are seriously complaining because there are no new Ork models in this set?!
Yep! Plus think of all the extra bits you get from this that you never get from snap fit.
So, this is GWs panic sale of grey hunters before the new codex nerf them, eh?
Edit: the fact that their conterpart greenskins in this box is gretchin should be a clue.
Ian Sturrock wrote: The extra bits are a major draw. We all must have spare Marines still unpainted, right? So suddenly they can become Grey Hunters too...
Yeah, the GH sprues are such a good deal for that. 1 set can make 10-20 extra models into space wolves pretty easily.
I don't think there's any evidence for the popular fan theory that GW deliberately nerfs older models with each codex. They do try to make each unit balanced, it's just that they're not very good at it, and they don't try very hard. But if you're worried, just avoid assembling the Wolves till we see a new codex.
Paradigm wrote: Considering GH, Blood Claws and Wolf Guard all come from the same box, I doubt it.
Given the theory that the SW box may get 'Dire Avengered', though, this set looks like very good value for a SW player.
This is actually a very probable statement. The amount of stuff in the wolf pack box for the price-point is INSANE. like seriously, it has 27 different heads in that box alone! I can totally see them moving it to 5 guys for $30. All the sudden the value set goes from a good deal to a STEAL.
Will be interesting to see. I can see them Dire-Avengering the box or splitting the box so not all the wolfy bits are in one goldmine of a $35 box.
Paradigm wrote: Considering GH, Blood Claws and Wolf Guard all come from the same box, I doubt it.
Given the theory that the SW box may get 'Dire Avengered', though, this set looks like very good value for a SW player.
This is actually a very probable statement. The amount of stuff in the wolf pack box for the price-point is INSANE. like seriously, it has 27 different heads in that box alone! I can totally see them moving it to 5 guys for $30. All the sudden the value set goes from a good deal to a STEAL.
Will be interesting to see. I can see them Dire-Avengering the box or splitting the box so not all the wolfy bits are in one goldmine of a $35 box.
I'm 90% certain it's going to happen. The box is just 2 of the same sprue, so halving it would be tragically easy, and every other Chapter-specific set is only 5 models (Death Co, Sang Guard, DA Veterans PAGK),
So I really do need to get the cash together to but this set, as it's very good value already even without that fear, and while I've already got a fair few Grey Hunters, this is the cheapest I'm going to get the Termies I've been wanting for ages, and more GH (And the associated bits-box gold mine) never goes amiss.
Yes, might have to get this to avoid the inevitable halving. Such a shame they still do that, they should be doubling it, not halving it. It's currently what, 10 for $37.50 since they haven't had the price hike yet, so 5 for $40?
The pricing of this box set might indicate that no such halving will occur. After all, that would make this an even crazier deal ($125 for $215 in minis plus 2 LE minis plus rulebook plus campaign book) which seems unlikely.
WayneTheGame wrote: Yes, might have to get this to avoid the inevitable halving. Such a shame they still do that, they should be doubling it, not halving it. It's currently what, 10 for $37.50 since they haven't had the price hike yet, so 5 for $40?
I'm guessing 5 for £20, or around $30, putting it at the same price as Death Co, Sang Guard and PAGK
pretre wrote: The pricing of this box set might indicate that no such halving will occur. After all, that would make this an even crazier deal ($125 for $215 in minis plus 2 LE minis plus rulebook plus campaign book) which seems unlikely.
Ian Sturrock wrote: Thing is, if limited run campaign box sets are going to be the New Thing (and I REALLY hope they are), we are going to see some non-Space Marine releases eventually, because the boxes are going to sell out rapidly whoever goes in them.
Space Marines vs Nids
BA vs Necron
GK Vs Daemons
BT vs Tau
CSM vs IG
They can keep going for a while.
Then do Eldar: Kinwars followed by Squats vs Sisters.
I wouldn't mind Alaitoc Eldar vs Necrons either, as according to the 5th ed Necron Codex, Alaitoc craftworld is the only one that remembers the Eldar were created to destroy the Necrons. Similarly, BA vs Death Guard, although vs Black Legion would be a classic grudge match hearkening back to the Heresy. Eldar: Kinwars is good too.
Thatguyhsagun wrote: anyone else see they pulled the DV box set from the US online store?
UK too. Just the cultists are listed in that section now.
Expect a price hike, and a 7th rulebook included.
Oh, and can they give over with the 'new releases' being mostly bundles?
I want to know what actual recently-released models and books there are, not 10x tanks and hordes of Boyz.
The limited store copies don't matter if you preorder it though right? Can you only preorder through GW Stores/Online or do regular stores allow you to preorder? Cause if they don't, THEN I can see why the limited ones is an issue with stores.
At my Local GW Store everyone will preorder so sometimes even on limited things he has trouble moving the "store copies" because everyone who wanted one already grabbed theirs in the preorder.
Except Wood Elves... blasted things haven't been on the shelf in months -__-
SmurfInABlender wrote: The limited store copies don't matter if you preorder it though right? Can you only preorder through GW Stores/Online or do regular stores allow you to preorder? Cause if they don't, THEN I can see why the limited ones is an issue with stores.
I don't know if independents can allow you to preorder, but if you do it through GW it is in addition to their store allocation.
At my Local GW Store everyone will preorder so sometimes even on limited things he has trouble moving the "store copies" because everyone who wanted one already grabbed theirs in the preorder.
Except Wood Elves... blasted things haven't been on the shelf in months -__-
Not sure if my lgs can pre-order stuff from gw as they really don't stock much(still going to ask when I go for a game Sunday). Has anyone dealt with pre-orders direct from gw? I've never ordered anything from the website, let alone a pre-order.
Kalashnichris wrote: Not sure if my lgs can pre-order stuff from gw as they really don't stock much(still going to ask when I go for a game Sunday). Has anyone dealt with pre-orders direct from gw? I've never ordered anything from the website, let alone a pre-order.
They'll announce pre-orders and then it is like buying anything else from a website. Add it to cart and such...
Ok cool. I'll check my lgs Sunday and if they can't get it done, I'll deposit the cash in my bank Monday and go home to order it. The closet GW store to me is almost 2 hours away so I'll have it shipped to my job. I don't trust some of the people at my apartment complex
Kalashnichris wrote: Ok cool. I'll check my lgs Sunday and if they can't get it done, I'll deposit the cash in my bank Monday and go home to order it. The closet GW store to me is almost 2 hours away so I'll have it shipped to my job. I don't trust some of the people at my apartment complex
You could have it shipped to the GW and/or order it through there and then he'll hold it for you until you come to pick it up.
There is supposed to be no time limit as to how long they keep orders there.
I would but its nearly a 2 hour ride each way and with my schedule, that nearly impossible.
ETA: Messaged the owner of my lgs on fb to see if I can order thru him or not.
Not sure if this has already been mentioned, but it looks like the Space Wolf Battleforce has been taken off the store; could be a bug, could be something else, but the link (via Google) goes to a 404 as of 11:30PM EST 7/11/2014.
WayneTheGame wrote: Not sure if this has already been mentioned, but it looks like the Space Wolf Battleforce has been taken off the store; could be a bug, could be something else, but the link (via Google) goes to a 404 as of 11:30PM EST 7/11/2014.
Likely price hike incoming :(
Darn. That was a really great set, and a great deal. Still, with any luck it'll be replaced with as good a deal as the SM Strike Force box.
I imagine most online retailers will still have them, if they have any in stock, so if you're after one it's worth checking them.
WayneTheGame wrote: Not sure if this has already been mentioned, but it looks like the Space Wolf Battleforce has been taken off the store; could be a bug, could be something else, but the link (via Google) goes to a 404 as of 11:30PM EST 7/11/2014.
Likely price hike incoming :(
It has been taken off. If you want one now, I suggest getting them.
I doubt there is a price hike but rather you're going to see something like the Mek Mob.
WayneTheGame wrote: Not sure if this has already been mentioned, but it looks like the Space Wolf Battleforce has been taken off the store; could be a bug, could be something else, but the link (via Google) goes to a 404 as of 11:30PM EST 7/11/2014.
Likely price hike incoming :(
Darn. That was a really great set, and a great deal. Still, with any luck it'll be replaced with as good a deal as the SM Strike Force box.
I imagine most online retailers will still have them, if they have any in stock, so if you're after one it's worth checking them.
They do seem to be replacing the Battleforces that had a selection of Troops/other to bulk out a force with an entire "army in a box" which, while not a bad idea (SM Strike Force was a good deal I admit) makes them only of use to somebody who doesn't already have that force in most cases, as opposed to being something to add to an existing army, because the boxed armies include HQs that aren't needed once you've bought an army.
I would believe this is the new business model where GW funnels a few product out to the lgs thereby limiting supply that can be purchased for X% off. Thereby creating the demand for the product through their website instead of a continued supply to the lgs.
So since the contents are basically repackages of existing boxed sets instead of snap fit items, will the individual items sell for the same price as now or will people say since they came in the boxed set they should cost less?
And no 'Kaiserslauthern 4' global summer campaing this year mew!
And will the new 'dex thing retain or erase the 'blood feud' rules... where if Dark Angels and Space Wolves are in the same game (friends or foe alike) the best member of each other will duel before the actual game begins. ??? meow~
Uriels_Flame wrote: I would believe this is the new business model where GW funnels a few product out to the lgs thereby limiting supply that can be purchased for X% off. Thereby creating the demand for the product through their website instead of a continued supply to the lgs.
Seems to fit in with their agenda to shut out the LGS. Throw them a bone to increase demand, and then push things through the GW website or to a GW store instead since you aren't limited in selection.
ing awesome 
Me for one. While I'm not interested in starting a Sisters army, I've often meant to get a couple of the figures because I like the look of them.
