The Officio Prefectus Commissar looks like he's got a shuttle launch ramp for a cap and the Yamato's rudder for a sword

The Bullgryn doesn't look too bad though

The faux Latin is meant to represent how high gothic appears to those who can't speak it, so in the same way that AM is the "high gothic" name for the IG, and unlikely to be used by the grunts, the Officio Prefectus is probably just the high gothic name for what the rank and file call the Commissariat.

Edit - also see Adeptus Astartes/Space Marines. I'm also well aware that these newer ones are just for trademarking, but it isn't a total retcon at the same time.

Wakshaani wrote:
Grf.

Why not a pack of five plastic build-like-you-want Commisars?

Yeah, they'd be over-priced, but dangit, I want *variety* up in here!

Why charge $45 for 5 multi-part Commissars when you can charge $30 for one mono-pose Commissar?

I think a squad of 5 hws would be as dysfunctional as 3. They would gain more from orders, but would be a more inviting target for s6+ dakka. Long range dakka also tends to be high str. They would also be ld7.

If they are priced the same as regular infantry but have room for 3 heavy and no specials they would have a ld8 sergeant and 3 ablative wounds with 3 ac for 80 or 3 lc for 110.

If they did the same for sws than a 10 man melta squad would be 80 and plasma would be 95.

is that a damn cutless?
http://24.media.tumblr.com/de87926bc6f2fac4d157c6f61c65d538/tumblr_n3hvo4K5fk1sct717o1_400.jpg

That is the worst looking Commissar. Every single Commissar on the GW site looks better than that Commissar.

EDIT: Oh, and the FW Commissars, they look better too.

Minutes ago dropped this :

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
1 ~ Sly Marbo will NOT be in the new Astra Militarum codex. He's gone. (possibly a future dataslate)

2 ~ The Vendetta has gone up to 170 points, and lost half it's transport capacity, in that it can only transport up to 6 infantry (25mm) models. They can, however, still be taken in squadrons.



I had guessed for 175 point for the Vendetta a few weeks ago, nearly on the spot ! Haha !

And the justification for halving its transport capacity is...? I mean, the power cells for the Lascannons are built into the Lascannons themselves.

And hooray for Marbo DLC.



That was sarcasm.

Why would they have 6 transport capacity anyway? the vast majority of units in IG are 10 models minimal.

Mmm I wasn't convinced about the Ogryns but now I am, I actually quite like them.

That commisar as well looks amazing, I really like the stance, ace balls.

 Luke_Prowler wrote:
Why would they have 6 transport capacity anyway? the vast majority of units in IG are 10 models minimal.

Read the Kasrkin entry or the old stormtroopers. So, Valkyrie will be the flying option for the basic 5man team maybe with a commissar attached ?

 Luke_Prowler wrote:
Why would they have 6 transport capacity anyway? the vast majority of units in IG are 10 models minimal.

Not at all my friend,

Storm Trooper Squads.
Specialist Weapon Squads

Those are generally dropped from a Vendy.

 Luke_Prowler wrote:
Why would they have 6 transport capacity anyway? the vast majority of units in IG are 10 models minimal.

Trying to promote SWS? That really doesn't make any sense to drop it from 12.

Well derp, I forgot SWS exist. My bad.

'scuse, what DLC stands for ?

[sarcasm]
Vendetta is bound to carry a huge alternator in order to recharge the batteries on the fly, plus spare lead batteries and bottles sulfuric acid to re-level them between missions.
It takes room.
Because it is mandatory to make Vendetta self-sufficient, according to Tactica Imperium book, the bible of Astra Militarum doctrines you know ?
[/sarcasm]

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And the justification for halving its transport capacity is...? I mean, the power cells for the Lascannons are built into the Lascannons themselves.

Dropping the transport capacity that much seems a bit crazy, but if you look in the Aeronautica Imperialis book they have a 3D diagram of the Valk and it shows the powerpack for the hull weapon is mounted inside the transport area at the front.

 Ravajaxe wrote:
'scuse, what DLC stands for ?

Downloadable content, where video game companies sell small expansions (new maps in an fps, etc) for a small price. Or, in this case, where GW takes stuff out of the codex so they can sell it to you as a separate product and get more money from you. TBH the only real surprise here is that GW sells codices at all instead of having a separate $50 book for each unit.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And the justification for halving its transport capacity is...? I mean, the power cells for the Lascannons are built into the Lascannons themselves.

You see, that's the current model. The new Vendetta model (a $100 conversion kit) will be different. It clearly has nothing to do with balance problems and is all about forging an awesome narrative about the new not-stormtroopers stealing the veteran squad's transport.


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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Dropping the transport capacity that much seems a bit crazy, but if you look in the Aeronautica Imperialis book they have a 3D diagram of the Valk and it shows the powerpack for the hull weapon is mounted inside the transport area at the front.

Sure, but that's a Valkyrie, not a Vendetta. The extra lascannons (in addition to the hull mount) on the Vendetta are powered by external batteries mounted on the guns themselves. There's no plausible reason that the extra guns would reduce transport capacity, it's purely a balance change.

(If it's happening at all.)

Thanks.



May I note that scions don't need a transport anyway : they have deep strike.
So who will ride in them now ?
PCS, who would not be able to issue orders until late in the game ?
Special weapon squads ? Assuming they stay in the codex, of course...

That's a whole lot of a choice !

Seems Puppets War are on their game:

Don't forget, Veteran squads are apparently going to be "Buy 5 veterans for X points cost, add up to 5 additional Veterans for Y points per model" and that each Veteran Squad will apparently go to one Special/Heavy weapon per five models in a squad.

Meaning, you could potentially have a six man Veteran Fire Team with a special weapon and Sergeant with a plasma pistol as well that could jump out of a Vendetta without too much issue.

The above is based purely on rumor and who knows if it's actually going to happen.

Meh.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

Pupettswar makes a load of interesting parts. The rocket pod is not new, I've seen it on as whirlwind proxy a few months ago.
The big turret and long barrel autocannons are refreshing news.


By the way, a topic for Militarum Tempestus has been opened in 40k general discssion section :
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/588110.page
There is a big insight of main scions rules there.

 Ravajaxe wrote:
Minutes ago dropped this :

[color=cyan]via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
1 ~ Sly Marbo will NOT be in the new Astra Militarum codex. He's gone. (possibly a future dataslate)

Basically confirmed when the Doom of Malan'tai went missing. How's that a rumor?


Here's a rumour for you. Next Dark Eldar Codex, Lady Malys, Duke Sliscus, etc.. will be missing.

Next Grey Knight Codex, Mordak will be missing...

The post-Chapterhouse purge continues

There are probably a few more SC in the (current) IG Codex, which will be cut due to a lack of a current model.

I call BS on the 6-men-transport capacity. Check the Stormtroopers Army-Box. 4 uglytrukks, 3 valkyries for 6 10-man squads and one team of 5, meaning that the flyers also have to transport 10, not only 5 or 6.

Zweischneid , you realise that Marbo has an official miniature ? That is even not out of stock ?
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440248a&prodId=prod1140072


This has nothing to do with the foreseeable removal of unique characters deprived of a model.
More with pushing us to buy dreaded dataslates.

Note that in the stormy army box that those are 3 valkyries, not 3 vendettas. AFAIK, valkyries still have space for 10 men. Plenty of space for everyone in the box. Furthermore, supposedly stormy codex does not get access to vendettas.

 Ravajaxe wrote:
Zweischneid , you realise that Marbo has an official miniature ? That is even not out of stock ?
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440248a&prodId=prod1140072


This has nothing to do with the foreseeable removal of unique characters deprived of a model.
More with pushing us to buy dreaded dataslates.

If they do this it would be disgusting. So i now need to buy an ipad to use Marbo if that's true, that's just wrong for the consumer.

No you can access data slates on a PC or similar too

I think it more likely Marbo will appear alongside Straken in a dedicated Codex Catachans.

Apart from being, y 'know, a Catachan character, the deathworlders are noticeably absent from the colour plate of famous regiments we've seen from the new Guard codex previews/leaks. With all the background, artwork and – critically – models GW have for Catachans, I really can't see them not releasing a proper Codex for them.

By the way, a new poster on dakka brought massive info about next guard codex in the 40k general discussion section :

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/588110.page

It comes from the tempestus scion codex. Go have a look.
To sum up what we know about IG fliers currently from this source, and faeit212 :


Valkyrie basic with hellstrike missiles : 125 points
Valkyrie with multiple rocket pods : 135 points
* upgrading multilaser to a laser cannon : +10 points

Vendetta (down to 6-troop transport capacity) : 170 points

Hooray for Marbo dataslate incoming.

I mean, why include something in a codex when you can charge $50 for a hardcover, 50 page book on Marbo's history and a single page of rules to include Marbo in your army.

I can see it now; Primary Detachment: Marbo. Because Marbo doesn't ally with people, people ally with Marbo.

I made a Marbo for my Valhallan army out a "demolition man" last chancer, i guess he will just become "some guy" now

It would be a shame if Marbo were to be removed, but wait and see, wait and see.

How about we stop whinging about trivial stuff that was to be expected, never mind before its even been confirmed?

 Zweischneid wrote:
Basically confirmed when the Doom of Malan'tai went missing. How's that a rumor?

Here's a rumour for you. Next Dark Eldar Codex, Lady Malys, Duke Sliscus, etc.. will be missing.

Next Grey Knight Codex, Mordak will be missing...

The post-Chapterhouse purge continues

There are probably a few more SC in the (current) IG Codex, which will be cut due to a lack of a current model.

Firstly, it's a rumour because it's the first we've heard about it (), and secondly Marbo has a mini, unlike all the other ones you just listed.

 Apologist wrote:
I think it more likely Marbo will appear alongside Straken in a dedicated Codex Catachans.

I agree with this. When the Catachan Supplement appears, Straken and Marbo will be centre stage.

 PuddlePirate wrote:
is that a damn cutless?
http://24.media.tumblr.com/de87926bc6f2fac4d157c6f61c65d538/tumblr_n3hvo4K5fk1sct717o1_400.jpg

Wow. That's cool. But I can see GW moving away from WWII aesthetics: That commisar looks nothing like the badass space nazi-bolsheviks of the past, more like a XVIIIth Century nobleman.

 Peregrine wrote:
Sure, but that's a Valkyrie, not a Vendetta. The extra lascannons (in addition to the hull mount) on the Vendetta are powered by external batteries mounted on the guns themselves. There's no plausible reason that the extra guns would reduce transport capacity, it's purely a balance change.

(If it's happening at all.)

I can't see any external power supply for the hull mounted Vendetta TL Lascannon. There's external supplies for the wing mounted ones, can't see a power source for the hull mounted one.

 Bobthehero wrote:
The commissar sword is atrocious, and its sash should be red, otherwise I like it.

Looks like this commissar has started working for the greater good!

 Insurgency Walker wrote:
Looks like this commissar has started working for the greater good!

Well someone better report him to the Commissari... uhh... I mean the Officio™ Prefectus™.

I just bought some old Commissars because they are vanishing from the US store and figured just in case they vanish from the Australian one as well, better grab some now. The new one looks no where near as good as the old ones from the pic we've seen (maybe I'll change my mind with bigger pictures, but the pose doesn't look as imposing and the proportions don't look as good from the little pic).

In the past 2 years I think I've spent more money on GW and FW because things were being removed from the stores than I have because I genuinely needed things.

Apologist wrote:I think it more likely Marbo will appear alongside Straken in a dedicated Codex Catachans.

Apart from being, y 'know, a Catachan character, the deathworlders are noticeably absent from the colour plate of famous regiments we've seen from the new Guard codex previews/leaks. With all the background, artwork and – critically – models GW have for Catachans, I really can't see them not releasing a proper Codex for them.

This.

Rostere wrote:

Apologist wrote:I think it more likely Marbo will appear alongside Straken in a dedicated Codex Catachans.

Apart from being, y 'know, a Catachan character, the deathworlders are noticeably absent from the colour plate of famous regiments we've seen from the new Guard codex previews/leaks. With all the background, artwork and – critically – models GW have for Catachans, I really can't see them not releasing a proper Codex for them.

This.

Especially since that's how it used to be, oh so long ago.

And here I was hoping that the notable regiments would all have their place, Catachans, Cadians, Tanith F&O, in the same codex, like the chapter tactics.

Cadians are also absent from the colour plate section, probably meaning that both the Cadians and the 'Chans are the two big regiments of the book.

Looks like the Valkyrie will still be pretty good value and the Vendetta hasn't been brutally overpriced as many feared, although it's obviously not the ridiculous bargain it once was.

I am disappointed that some of the obviously stupid elements of the last guard codex, like ordnance missiles and short-range vox-casters don't seem to have been corrected.

I wouldn't mind if the Vendetta has some rule saying it's guns weren't Skyfire, though that's mainly because I'd like an excuse to use the ACTUAL Imperial fighter aircraft which mostly just suck at the moment.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I just bought some old Commissars because they are vanishing from the US store and figured just in case they vanish from the Australian one as well, better grab some now. The new one looks no where near as good as the old ones from the pic we've seen (maybe I'll change my mind with bigger pictures, but the pose doesn't look as imposing and the proportions don't look as good from the little pic).

In the past 2 years I think I've spent more money on GW and FW because things were being removed from the stores than I have because I genuinely needed things.

This outlines almost all my purchases since the beginning of the year. When Scions looked like they were coming, I snapped up several blisters of the old, metal Storm Troopers because A) they're metal, and I like my minatures to have heft, and B) they're half the cost of the scions. I could stand US $25 for 5....but $35 for 5 is too much, especially if you want to field and army of them.

Then with the rumored GW-site update coming soon, i've also grabbed a platoons-worth of Steel Legion if all the metal goes away as well.

To AllSeeingSkink : If the Vendetta wasn't skyfire, what would be have left that could deal with air effectively? The Hydra, which doesn't have Interceptor so it gets alpha-struck by oncoming flyers? Or having to buy a fortification network for a couple quad guns?

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I wouldn't mind if the Vendetta has some rule saying it's guns weren't Skyfire, though that's mainly because I'd like an excuse to use the ACTUAL Imperial fighter aircraft which mostly just suck at the moment.

Will still have that rumor of a new flyer!
But I for one think we have seen it all at this point. Makes me sad. I'll also be bummed if all the Catachan special characters got pulled for a dataslate. I liked Harker!

 Blacksails wrote:
Hooray for Marbo dataslate incoming.

I mean, why include something in a codex when you can charge $50 for a hardcover, 50 page book on Marbo's history and a single page of rules to include Marbo in your army.

I can see it now; Primary Detachment: Marbo. Because Marbo doesn't ally with people, people ally with Marbo.

This last line made me spit up my morning coffee in a series of humorous, albeit painful, laughs.

Hey no more Marbo! If that rumour is true there goes the guard's ace in the hole elite choice! Boo!

 Ravajaxe wrote:
Minutes ago dropped this :

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
1 ~ Sly Marbo will NOT be in the new Astra Militarum codex. He's gone. (possibly a future dataslate)

2 ~ The Vendetta has gone up to 170 points, and lost half it's transport capacity, in that it can only transport up to 6 infantry (25mm) models. They can, however, still be taken in squadrons.



I had guessed for 175 point for the Vendetta a few weeks ago, nearly on the spot ! Haha !

NO! NOOOOOO! NO! MARBOOOOOOO!

I guess it's time to change my avatar...

 kir44n wrote:
To AllSeeingSkink : If the Vendetta wasn't skyfire, what would be have left that could deal with air effectively? The Hydra, which doesn't have Interceptor so it gets alpha-struck by oncoming flyers? Or having to buy a fortification network for a couple quad guns?

I am expecting the Hydra to gain interceptor. That will make it basically like a longer ranged quad gun.

But more so I was thinking about the Imperial Navy fighter aircraft that I wish weren't so crap. The Thunderbolt and Lightning (very very frightening!) are the ACTUAL fighter aircraft of the Imperium which unfortunately both suck, I'd like to see them get better and the Vendetta be turned in to a close support aircraft rather than an uber-anti-aircraft thing.

The Lightning is like tissue paper, is currently more expensive than a Vendetta with less firepower and obviously no transport capacity. The Thunderbolt is a bit tougher, still not awesome, decent firepower though still not as much as a Vendetta and it is well overpriced (imagine a Crimson Hunter, but not as good and 20pts more expensive, lol).

 rabidguineapig wrote:

 Ravajaxe wrote:
Minutes ago dropped this :

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
1 ~ Sly Marbo will NOT be in the new Astra Militarum codex. He's gone. (possibly a future dataslate)

2 ~ The Vendetta has gone up to 170 points, and lost half it's transport capacity, in that it can only transport up to 6 infantry (25mm) models. They can, however, still be taken in squadrons.



I had guessed for 175 point for the Vendetta a few weeks ago, nearly on the spot ! Haha !

NO! NOOOOOO! NO! MARBOOOOOOO!

I guess it's time to change my avatar...

Just use the old (current) codex

It's not as much of a game changer as this current codex for me, at least. I didn't even have a legal army when it came out (goodbye Grenadiers doctrine)! Then I bought a billion Cadians but it seems I have the option again to use Stormtroopers as troops if I buy 'Militarum Tempestus'. If doctrines make a return, I'll be a happy man.

Marbo's not gone, he's simply infiltrated the GK codex, under the pseudonym 'Kaldor Draigo', or something.

Gifted with the armour of Abbadon the Despoiler, stolen by the tactical genius Creed himself and purified by a good beating from Commissar Yarrik's Power Klaw, Marbo has successfully completed the ultimate infiltration, and is now causing havoc across the realms of Chaos in the name of Catachan and the Emperor. So mighty is his prowess that even the Grey Knights have begun to respect his as one of their own. Marbo's current whereabouts are unknown, but reports of demonic voices screaming 'Nooo, not me... Please... PLEASE!' have been heard as far as the Ghoul Stars and as near as Mars. We can only assume he continues to fight the good fight, for if Marbo falls, there is no hope for mankind,

Marneus Calgar, 999 M41

Seriously, though, I hope he's not gone. The guy is too cool to just get rid of. If he's in a supplement, then that a little odd too, as every other supplement has had the characters (Farsight/Abbadon) included in the main codex. Seems odd (although entirely plausible) that they'd change that now.

Marbo would probably be the only dataslate I'd get suckered into buying. I honestly can't make an IG list without him, and play the theme music from "Commando" every time he comes onto the board. As long as he doesn't disappear completely I'll be happy.

I'm sure I could talk my group into letting me use the 5th ed rules and points for Marbo anyway. Disappointing to see rumors that he's been axed though.

That's just it though, just rumours, nothing solid yet.

 rabidguineapig wrote:

 Ravajaxe wrote:
Minutes ago dropped this :

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
1 ~ Sly Marbo will NOT be in the new Astra Militarum codex. He's gone. (possibly a future dataslate)

2 ~ The Vendetta has gone up to 170 points, and lost half it's transport capacity, in that it can only transport up to 6 infantry (25mm) models. They can, however, still be taken in squadrons.



I had guessed for 175 point for the Vendetta a few weeks ago, nearly on the spot ! Haha !

NO! NOOOOOO! NO! MARBOOOOOOO!

I guess it's time to change my avatar...

Your war is over son... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKsJLLaDA-k

Marbo is my favourite Elite choice. 65pts to annoy your opponent is wonderful. Me sad panda now that he might be gone from the codex.
At this rate everybody is going to start playing a choose your own codex

M.

IMO That Commissar looks downright laughable with the lanyard-chain, power-sabre and even bigger hat. If I ever want to get another Commissar, I'm getting a metal one off eBay.

 PuddlePirate wrote:

 rabidguineapig wrote:

 Ravajaxe wrote:
Minutes ago dropped this :

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
1 ~ Sly Marbo will NOT be in the new Astra Militarum codex. He's gone. (possibly a future dataslate)

2 ~ The Vendetta has gone up to 170 points, and lost half it's transport capacity, in that it can only transport up to 6 infantry (25mm) models. They can, however, still be taken in squadrons.



I had guessed for 175 point for the Vendetta a few weeks ago, nearly on the spot ! Haha !

NO! NOOOOOO! NO! MARBOOOOOOO!

I guess it's time to change my avatar...

Your war is over son... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKsJLLaDA-k

As of right now we can still hope he stuck around. If they put up the pre-orders for the new codex and his model is removed from the site, then I'll be pretty worried. Absolutely the most entertaining unit in the Codex, not sure what GW was thinking if the rumors are true.

I'll throw this in here too, basically how it went down when I saw that rumor:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc

Jesus, are they serious with that Commissar? I didn't care about the Taurox but that Commissar is objectively bad

 Bull0 wrote:
Jesus, are they serious with that Commissar? I didn't care about the Taurox but that Commissar is objectively bad

Depends. He gives autopass which is great. IC is also good. But you have to be careful in which unit he is attached...because "I see, Creed, you cant keep your men in line *BLAM*" is rather embarrasing... And "objectively"? Ahem...

I meant the model more than the rules. And yeah, it's an objectively bad model, heaps wrong with it as a piece of sculpting. I'm glad I've got all the metal ones, let's put it that way

rabidguineapig wrote:I'll throw this in here too, basically how it went down when I saw that rumor:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc

Given GW these days, I'm surprised there's not a shortcut for that video on dakka.

Bull0 wrote:Jesus, are they serious with that Commissar? I didn't care about the Taurox but that Commissar is objectively bad

I'm sure there's some sick puppies who like it.

UlrikDecado wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:
Jesus, are they serious with that Commissar? I didn't care about the Taurox but that Commissar is objectively bad

Depends. He gives autopass which is great. IC is also good. But you have to be careful in which unit he is attached...because "I see, Creed, you cant keep your men in line *BLAM*" is rather embarrasing... And "objectively"? Ahem...

I believe he was talking about the model rather than the rules.

 Bull0 wrote:
I meant the model more than the rules. And yeah, it's an objectively bad model, heaps wrong with it as a piece of sculpting. I'm glad I've got all the metal ones, let's put it that way

Oh, sorry mate My bad

And I agree, with my obsession on commisars, this one is definetly one of worst. I like his uniform, but the cap is simply ridiculously big and the sabre...strange.

I guess I'm in the minority. I like that commissars swashbuckling sword... I just don't take Commisars.

That commissar is rather awful. Sword is oversized and poorly designed, the hat is TOO big, even by 40k standards, and why does he need a chain as thick as his arm to hold a pistol? If he drops it, it's not exactly hard to find.

So very glad I have a FW DKOK commissar. I do hope the finecast Lord sticks around, though, I've been meaning to grab one for a while.

I want to see some better pictures of the Commissar before I make a judgment. I like the ridiculously huge hat, and the pistol on a chain is neat to me, if a little New Jersey. I think a lot of it might come down to the paintjob emphasizing some things too much, and the sash most definitely should be red instead that seafoam blueish green.

 Brother SRM wrote:
I want to see some better pictures of the Commissar before I make a judgment.

Someone has been taking their crazy pills!

I don't like the new Commisar's sword. It's not Imperial.
It doesn't even look baroque; it looks futuristic, like what a Tau or Eldar would use.

I don't see any issue with the new Commissar. Nothing out of the ordinary given the previous models. I think there is a little bit of nitpicking going on. That is my opinion though.

Sabre is fine, if you think it is ridiculous then I hope you have zero chainswords present in your army. The hat is over the top and that is fine. Large heavy chain = I'm tougher then you Troop so standfast.

As for the Taurox....that is a bit of a miss. Needed wheels, with those it would of been fine. Then it atleast could fit in with the Elysian buggy.

 BrotherGecko wrote:
I don't see any issue with the new Commissar. Nothing out of the ordinary given the previous models. I think there is a little bit of nitpicking going on. That is my opinion though.

I don't necessarily think it's a bad model when considered in isolation, but when placed next to the existing commissar models and the FW commissar models, it by far looks the worst to me.

Sabre is fine, if you think it is ridiculous then I hope you have zero chainswords present in your army. The hat is over the top and that is fine. Large heavy chain = I'm tougher then you Troop so standfast.

Ridiculous or not, it just does not look good. It does not suit an Imperial and IMO it's ill-proportioned. The chain is just unnecessary bling. As someone who likes all the existing Commissar models, one of the appealing things is a simple, neat and mean looking aesthetic. I guess it's too much to ask modern day GW to do something cool and simple.

As for the Taurox....that is a bit of a miss. Needed wheels, with those it would of been fine. Then it atleast could fit in with the Elysian buggy.

There's a lot I don't like about the Taurox, but the biggest thing is the tracks.

Though the picture is small, the commissar looks like it could be converted into a cool pirate or trader.

Really though besides the sword its not thaaat bad.

the price will be im sure.

Marbo disappearing from the codex may bother some people. I understand, but do not care that much : he was an expensive wild card and extremely vulnerable to interceptor.
His miniature will find a very natural use as catachan sergeant or lieutenant. What worries me are the modification to commissars.


The new plastic commissar sword is strange, as is the miniature being redone. Even more strange because three dynamic and expressive alloy miniatures exist, plus the lord commissar (now in finecast), which are all recent sculpts (5 years).
But this problem is nothing compared to the rules themselves.
Sure, the basic commissar is cheaper at 25 points, however, power weapon price hike to 15 points will eat this rebate. On a blob platoon level, this tax will add to an uncomfortable level. Assuming blobs will still exist, of course...
Summary execution change is another blow to blob platoons reliability. Sure, while in contact, the potential of losing a power-weapon equipped sergeant has been brought on a lesser degree. But potentially losing laser cannon teams while trading shots from afar is bad news. And currently what is the most frequent case ? You shoot at each other of course. So shooty blobs may need to find another leadership booster. I hope the primaris psyker is still there as independent character and his valuable Ld:9.

The chain is an interesting bit, maybe a throwback to military provosts and policemen who also carry a sidearm with a cord or the like attached.

 BrookM wrote:
The chain is an interesting bit, maybe a throwback to military provosts and policemen who also carry a sidearm with a cord or the like attached.

I'm not really opposed to a chain, I'm opposed to a chain that has links as big as the palm of the model's hand, lol.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
I don't see any issue with the new Commissar. Nothing out of the ordinary given the previous models. I think there is a little bit of nitpicking going on. That is my opinion though.

I don't necessarily think it's a bad model when considered in isolation, but when placed next to the existing commissar models and the FW commissar models, it by far looks the worst to me.

Sabre is fine, if you think it is ridiculous then I hope you have zero chainswords present in your army. The hat is over the top and that is fine. Large heavy chain = I'm tougher then you Troop so standfast.

Ridiculous or not, it just does not look good. It does not suit an Imperial and IMO it's ill-proportioned. The chain is just unnecessary bling. As someone who likes all the existing Commissar models, one of the appealing things is a simple, neat and mean looking aesthetic. I guess it's too much to ask modern day GW to do something cool and simple.

As for the Taurox....that is a bit of a miss. Needed wheels, with those it would of been fine. Then it atleast could fit in with the Elysian buggy.

There's a lot I don't like about the Taurox, but the biggest thing is the tracks.

Eh, the chain isn't that blingy. To me it looks like it's there so that the pistol is always on the commy's side, so it serves a practical purpose.
That sword is way too big and techy though. What happened to that nice powered sabre that commissars usually have?

The sword screams dark Eldar to me, and the rest of the model looks very Space Pirate-ey. I have a Commander Chenkov, and generic commissar, and a finecast Lord Commissar that I use as whatever I happen to be fielding so I don't see myself going near this new model.

When do preorders typically appear on GW website? I am on the West Coast (USA), and sometimes I would see them around 3 or 4 pm or so each Friday.... Is that standard?


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 rabidguineapig wrote:
The sword screams dark Eldar to me, and the rest of the model looks very Space Pirate-ey. I have a Commander Chenkov, and generic commissar, and a finecast Lord Commissar that I use as whatever I happen to be fielding so I don't see myself going near this new model.

Dark Eldar Kabalite Warriors Power Sword to be more to the point.

I think Commissars look like they're getting a lot better, depending on how things shake out in the actual Guard codex. If Guard get a straight port of these Commissar rules, I think it's a big boost.

1.) They'll be independent characters
2.) They'll be 10 points cheaper if you like no PW commissars, 5 points cheaper if you took them with PWs.
3.) If it's the same Commissar entry for all Guard squads, that would open up powerfist Commissars for blobs.

The last one is probably a stretch, but 1&2 would be wins in any case.

 krazynadechukr wrote:
When do preorders typically appear on GW website? I am on the West Coast (USA), and sometimes I would see them around 3 or 4 pm or so each Friday.... Is that standard?


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 rabidguineapig wrote:
The sword screams dark Eldar to me, and the rest of the model looks very Space Pirate-ey. I have a Commander Chenkov, and generic commissar, and a finecast Lord Commissar that I use as whatever I happen to be fielding so I don't see myself going near this new model.

Dark Eldar Kabalite Warriors Power Sword to be more to the point.

Yep, as I said. More Eldar than Imperial.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Yep, as I said. More Eldar than Imperial.

You know who has had that kind of sword for a lot longer than DE/Eldar? Tallarn.


It's an updated/modern Tallarn power sword.

That's power sword?

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
That's power sword?

With the exception of the 'Tallarn Brawler' with knife and sword, the rest are power weapons. Look at the power packs on the back of the sword.

 pretre wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Yep, as I said. More Eldar than Imperial.

You know who has had that kind of sword for a lot longer than DE/Eldar? Tallarn.

Spoiler:

It's an updated/modern Tallarn power sword.

It is close, however, Commissar & Dark Eldar are power swords & also they have these engine things on the back near hilt.... "Nothing new under the sun" as they say....

I didn't see it on the model you put up first because it was behind him. The pics you can see it though.

I'd completely agree if it wasn't for that last little flared out bit near the hilt on the sharpened side of the new Commissar's sword. That's what took it from Tallarn to Eldar IMO. If both sides of the blade were parallel from the hilt until it started to curve, it would be perfectly Imperial.

A double handed highlander power sword woulda been cool!

Not really, it's a Tallarn regular sword / long knife. The old OOP cadians had exactly the same sword.


For those disliking the new commissar, there is still a superb miniature with both options for a standard issue power sword and chain saw.
He carries a plasma pistol, but it's fairly easy to cut it and replace the end with the front of a plastic bolt pistol.
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440247a&prodId=prod1070037

Don't hesitate too long, because it may end up like for kasrkin / vs / scions. The old metal blisters being replaced by the new plastic kit as soon as preorders are launched.

 rabidguineapig wrote:
I'd completely agree if it wasn't for that last little flared out bit near the hilt on the sharpened side of the new Commissar's sword. That's what took it from Tallarn to Eldar IMO. If both sides of the blade were parallel from the hilt until it started to curve, it would be perfectly Imperial.

You mean like these?


There are TONS of power swords with flared bits over a recess near the hilt.

If that little spot where it dips back in had a little flared out wing on it then yes, but that's still way more imperial looking than the new one to me. Maybe it will look better when I see the new model from multiple angles, but it's just too Dark Eldar for me.

When you look at the Dark Eldar swords they get wider as they go down the blade and then one side dips back in before the hilt. That's how this new one looks and the tallarn swords aren't quite the same. I'm nit-picking like a at this point, but it's just that little difference that pushes it over from one to the other IMO.

Bear in mind that the Commissar's sash is overlapping the hand holding the power sword...it makes it look a lot more froofroo than it really seems to be.

Yeah, I don't buy it. The commissar sword has an imperial power pack, imperial Power feed line up the sword, flat crossguard, straight hilt.

The DE one has an Eldar power pack, no power feed line, super thin part where it comes together with the power pack, curved crossguard, curved hilt.

Pretty much the only thing that is similar is the fact that they have curves and jut out before cutting back. Which is clearly something that other imperial weapons do.

I'm not liking really any of the new releases at all and I hate the Idea of the name change from Imperial Guard to Astro Military or whatever. All the new releases just seem like too cartoony to me like were going back to 2nd edition goofy looking models.

I am not even that excited for the new codex really, what I am excited for is when Forge world updates both of the DKOK army lists when the new book comes out. is it strange that I love forgeworld but hate Games workshop? Am I allowed to do that? :p

I saw bits about the Valkyries/Vendettas, but I didn't see answers to the following:

1. how much do the Hvy Bolter sponsons cost?
2. Did the Valkyrie's armor Values change?

As for what I'm seeing as a whole (of both Astra Millicious and Tempestus Scionilingus), the models are pretty 2nd rate. The Rules, while not everything I would have wishlisted, are pretty decent.

Decent.....not great...not poor....but Decent.

I was hoping for scoring Elite Storm troopers in the AM(IG) codex with Valkyrie Transport options but I got platoon structured Stormtroopers with a HotShot Squad automatic weapon. Not bad. and I can even work around some of the things I was hoping for through allied contingents.

Honestly, I always found the Vendetta a bastardization of the otherwise "realistically" loaded out Valkyrie. I had issues with it when vast gaming world didn't know it was going to exist.

The correction needed to veer Valkyries/Vendettas from Fighter Interceptor roles need to be fixed as part of the BRB (All flyers getting skyfire). This rule should have be left only to flyer that had Fighter/interceptor in their logical role profile, not just any ole air gunship/transport.

The Hellgun I would have liked a change to rending OR back to it's str4 roots. but in the 5th ed IG Playtest, I considered it a victory to get "Gets hot" from the current weapon profile. (that's right,a 16 pt model that killed one of their own for every 2 SPace marines they killed). I sadly chalk up no change as a win.

the Taurox rules are Decent. The Taurox Prime looks like (and has rules like) a Hasbro Action figure vehicle. With the right 'count as' modeling or conversion work....well, it's still on the low end of decent....but not TERRIBLE.

Bullgryns might be the HTH unit competitive Guard player want. Previous Ogryns were designed as tarpit units rather than true counter attack. Admittedly,their Stubborn combined with LD7/8 made them unreliable in this task.

I like the armored sentinels and hope they don't go like is predicted. I liked them as an even better tarpit that shoots until it gets locked in melee. But it's not a critical loss.

There is still so much not rumored or talked about the IG in how they operate now versus how they will operate in the future.

 derling wrote:
I saw bits about the Valkyries/Vendettas, but I didn't see answers to the following:

1. how much do the Hvy Bolter sponsons cost?
2. Did the Valkyrie's armor Values change?

1. Same as now.
2. No.

 Perfect Organism wrote:

 derling wrote:
I saw bits about the Valkyries/Vendettas, but I didn't see answers to the following:

1. how much do the Hvy Bolter sponsons cost?
2. Did the Valkyrie's armor Values change?

1. Same as now.
2. No.

Cool Thanks!

 krazynadechukr wrote:
RH Commissar]

Oh god, don't bring that nonsense up in here.

 krazynadechukr wrote:

Love that! I know everyone I play with always wanted a female commissar. GW why you no give female commissar!

Zengu wrote:
Love that! I know everyone I play with always wanted a female commissar. GW why you no give female commissar!

They made one back in the day:




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Oh look, another flared out power sword.

There's another french company who also made a female commissar, the pistol was dopey, but the overall model is amazing.

White Dwarf is out tomorrow and available in Games Workshop stores, independent stockist and right here on the Games workshop website. This week’s cover is dominated by the Wyvern, a new tank for the Astra Militarum that’ll pound the enemy from afar with highly accurate mortar fire. You can find out more about this new tank, including its full rules in this issue, along with details about the new Codex: Astra Militarum. On top of that we’ve got a stage-by-stage painting guide for the tanks of the Cadian 92nd, we chat to the designers about their latest creations, Adam takes a peek at Horus Heresy Book 3: Extermination and Jes gives the low-down on the Throne of Skulls event he attended recently. His story about his Hive Tyrant is priceless and a prime example of the anecdotes you’d expect from a weekend of wargaming. Remember, White Dwarf is also available as ePub and MOBI digital downloads from the Black Library website and through Apple iBooks...


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 BrookM wrote:
The chain is an interesting bit, maybe a throwback to military provosts and policemen who also carry a sidearm with a cord or the like attached.

Its a plasma pistol.

Wouldn't overheat

Such dedication to keep the Emporers wargear .....

Cadian Battle force is removed on the American store on the GW site.

 1hadhq wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
The chain is an interesting bit, maybe a throwback to military provosts and policemen who also carry a sidearm with a cord or the like attached.

Its a plasma pistol.

Wouldn't overheat

Such dedication to keep the Emporers wargear .....

Imagine the PP starts to overcharge, alarm signal blaring, and the commissar can't get the PP off the chain in time... BOOOOM.... LOL.

The chain appears to be attached to one of the flasks, could be wrong here, that pic is awfully small.

 Sledgehammer wrote:
Cadian Battle force is removed on the American store on the GW site.

When you call GW customer service they will tell you that things are taken off the webstore for various reasons. Updates, Inventory, making sure current orders coming in can be fulfilled so they take it off the web to stop more orders until they are sure ('cause a SOLD OUT or greyed out button just wont feed the rumors), etc... We'll see...

Sadly I suspect a sold out (or greyed out) mark would mean more emails & calls asking 'when can I get X again' than simply removing stuff (as many customers will not know that stuff is gone)

"Out of sight, out of mind."

The really awesome looking finecast commissar is gone from the USA website.

AKA the one with the long cape that's being swept aside as he's drawing his bolt pistol.

Does anyone remember what the lmtd edition guard codex was to have?


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ah, found it...

"The limited edition Astra Militarum Codex is cloth-bound and will be set at 2000 copies."


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PREORDERS UP

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCatsLarge.jsp?catId=cat440160a&rootCatGameStyle=wh40k

JUST ORDERED MY LMTD EDITION!


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Codex: Astra Militarum Limited Edition


Only 2000 copies worldwide and exclusively available here!

This 104-page, full colour hardback cloth-bound Codex with paper dust jack is presented in a cloth-bound slipcase. From the Aquila stamped upon the back of the slipcase to the technical drawing of a Baneblade on the inside of the dustjacket, each element of this Codex has been beautifully designed and crafted.

Inside the Codex you will find a requisition order form bearing your edition’s unique number and all the written content from Codex: Astra Militarum, including:

- An account of how the Astra Militarum rose from the ashes of treachery to win honour and glory amid ten thousand years of bloodshed.
- Full descriptions of all the characters, units and vehicles available to the Astra Militarum; including each units role on the battlefield, its rules and unique skills.
- A comprehensive army list that allows you to form an Astra Militarum collection into a glorious and deadly tabletop army.
- A showcase of Astra Militarum miniatures presented in the different colour schemes of the many famous regiments.



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astra is now listed as an army

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/landing.jsp?catId=cat440163a&rootCatGameStyle=wh40k

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
The really awesome looking finecast commissar is gone from the USA website.

AKA the one with the long cape that's being swept aside as he's drawing his bolt pistol.

He's still up on the UK site, but I can very well see him going away. I may well have to buy one next time I'm in a GW just in case. (wait, maybe this is GW's new business strategy: make the new stuff look crap so we panic-buy the soon-OOP stuff?)

EDIT: No, just refreshed the page, he's gone. Will have to grab one tomorrow at the GW if I can. Damn.

Also, I had to laugh at this: 'why not buy [a set of orders cards] for every officer in your army'... Yeah, right.

EDIT II: Techpriests have now moves to Elites. Interesting.

Pre orders are up.

 Trickstick wrote:
Pre orders are up.

I Ninjad ya dude, 2 posts up...

So it seems our good friend Knight Commander Pask is still with us.

The Hydra/Wyvern is only £34.

Jeez. I was seriously expecting £40.

Just noticed, there is actually a £5 saving on the Armoured Fist squad, which is pretty neat.

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:
Pre orders are up.

I Ninjad ya dude, 2 posts up...

My "view latest post" must have failed me.

The Hydra, now I've seen it in 360 also looks pretty gorgeous. I think I'm going to have one or two regardless of whether its competitive at tournament/high competitive level.

Looked at the ebook on Black Library.

There's a photo of Harker so he's probably still in.
There's also rules for the Hunting Lance indicating Rough Riders must still be in as well.

Happy because I have 10 of them sitting on a shelf.

One stinking model for AM release and some stupid bundles...

Where's the Catachan Super Star Destroyer?

So, Finecast commissar is gone. I am looking at the old metal HQs and seeing if I want any before they possibly disappear.

Marbo is still in the army list section as marbo, so that is good. No sign of command tanks though.

Zengu wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:

Spoiler:

Love that! I know everyone I play with always wanted a female commissar. GW why you no give female commissar!

Ah, but there WAS a female Commissar. And there IS one in my stash of stuff.




Hey, guys...this dude:



IS still available (for now, at least) under the new AM area of the store.

 pretre wrote:

Zengu wrote:
Love that! I know everyone I play with always wanted a female commissar. GW why you no give female commissar!

They made one back in the day:




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Oh look, another flared out power sword.

Haha none of those have been flared out. They stay parallel and then drop back in. the other ones are parallel, then add the little wing, and then drop back down. That's the only difference and it's what makes it more DE to me.

Good to know that Armored sentinels are still not worth taking!

 Blacksails wrote:
Because Marbo doesn't ally with people, people ally with Marbo.

You have that confused with the Chuck Ornris (tm) special character...

Sent in my preorder for the codex. I figure I will wait before investing in too much (and I want the order cards).

Picked up the standard book, order cards, and the metal commissar. I am excited to see where IG are going.

Marbo is still on the website!

 ultimentra wrote:
Good to know that Armored sentinels are still not worth taking!

Not necessarily. If the Astra Militarum book has access to an item from the Militarum Tempestus book, Armored Sentinels are going to be a nasty little way of avoiding scatter for deep strike.

Armored Fist - $37.25 for Chimera, $29 for Cadians for a total of $60. That's a savings.

I just like the fact every time I get a Baneblade I get a free squad Commissar.

 ultimentra wrote:
Good to know that Armored sentinels are still not worth taking!

Armored Sentinels with Plasma cannons for 50 pts instead of 75 seem at least considerable.

can some 1 link the hunting lance picture they found!

Are the order cards going to be available online only?

Zengu wrote:
Are the order cards going to be available online only?

Probably also available in stores, much like spell/psychic cards. But they'll only last as long as supplies from this printing last.

Armoured sentinels are viable ! !

Yooohooooo !


Lascannons are cheap ! A group of three sentinels with lascannons will be cheaper than a Vendetta.
After a lot of mediocre news, I'm so exited !

Well it look like the Rough Riders are going to be in.

So, the cool blueish Wyvern is apparently a Valhallan vehicle. That's interesting, that means GW are not afraid to include the older IG regiments in their advertising.

There's references to a number of regiments in the preview. So all that 'Catachans are gone' business was bunk.

Missile launchers for five points?

Ohhh man. I hope these costs carry over to regular sentinels, including the price drop on the sentinel itself! That...that's nice...

Also, the armored sentinel's on page 317 out of 394?! Are all the ebook pages just really really tiny?

I wonder where they want you to buy your rough riders from when the GW store no longer sells them...

 Mr.Omega wrote:

Spoiler:

Rostere wrote:
I wonder where they want you to buy your rough riders from when the GW store no longer sells them...

I'm so glad they aren't for sale. GW Rough Riders are downright disrespectful to use, why would you subject your opponent to some of the worst models in the entire IG range? That is not fair to do. The less sold, the less I may have to encounter those horrid slabs of pewter.

Buy puppet war bikers or ANYTHING else

I am hoping the Rough riders are still in the codex, I want to base mine on WFB DE cold Ones. I guess I will have to wait for the book to drop and try not to imagine the worst.

I am a little upset that the Lances are single use still, what sort of unit goes into battle with only 1 of something they will need ?

So, does the wording of the Hunting Lance mean you only get the special profile once but it continues to be a standard CCW after that?

I have loads of Rough Riders but I rarely play nowadays so get rusty on rules.

 ultimentra wrote:
Good to know that Armored sentinels are still not worth taking!

I know lowering the cost doesn't automatically make a model perform better but this post made me laugh anyway because one of the first reactions we get to a positive change is just a negative comment.

alphaecho wrote:
So, does the wording of the Hunting Lance mean you only get the special profile once but it continues to be a standard CCW after that?

I have loads of Rough Riders but I rarely play nowadays so get rusty on rules.

Yep, just a normal CCW after the first charge.

Suddenly I'm glad I've turned all my Sentinels into the good old Cadian pattern ones with autocannons and the extra armour cockpits.

So are we not getting a big box set like St and tyranid? Or did those come a little later?

Zengu wrote:
So are we not getting a big box set like St and tyranid? Or did those come a little later?

Most likely later, they've still got to release Ogryns and the new Commissar.

Zengu wrote:
So are we not getting a big box set like St and tyranid? Or did those come a little later?

That will probably be later, it doesn't look like they've released all of the new models yet.

 derling wrote:

 Mr.Omega wrote:

Wow! I hope this isn't a belated April fools Joke. I loved AutoCannon Armored Sentinels at 60pts per model. I can only love them more at 45 pts per model.
Shoot, shoot, shoot,..., bog down Assault units.
Now show me a page identifying Valyries as a dedicated transport option!

Lascannon sentinels for 50 points are even better : outrange these HYMP broadsides and instakill them.
45 points for a missile equipped sentinel that can one-shot crisis suits, tyranid warriors, wraithguard ? Yes please !


Now my bulky second edition sentinels are just waiting for a cockpit conversion to be fielded properly.

Yay, my Sentinel wall will again be fielded!!!

 Maxurugi wrote:

 ultimentra wrote:
Good to know that Armored sentinels are still not worth taking!

Armored Sentinels with Plasma cannons for 50 pts instead of 75 seem at least considerable.

omg, love your meme

 Paradigm wrote:

alphaecho wrote:
So, does the wording of the Hunting Lance mean you only get the special profile once but it continues to be a standard CCW after that?

I have loads of Rough Riders but I rarely play nowadays so get rusty on rules.

Yep, just a normal CCW after the first charge.

Is that new? I thought RR used to come with lance and ccw or las pistol.

Once the lance was used, they were down to 1 attack as they only had ccw or laspistol.

This wording indicates they will continue to get +1 attack dependant on the rest of the Codex entry.

Am I the only one who thinks the commissar´s cap looks cool?

What I don´t really like is the weird saber and pose

Hot dang! I love 40 point Armored Sentinels! 50 point plasma or lascannons! Reasonably good tarpitters! Cheaper than a Chimera with half the footprint! I started some conversions a long time ago, but just couldn't make myself finish. I'm totally sold, now.

I can get a squadron of 3 AV12 walkers with plasma cannons for 150 points. That's substantially less than an Executioner for equivalent firepower (before sponson upgrades, at least), but in a Fast Attack slot intsead of a Heavy slot.

Vendettas are up to about 75 points per lascannon hit per turn. Armored Sentinels are down to 100 points per lascannon hit per turn, but they start on the board. It's not looking quite as ridiculously one-sided as it once was.

If Armored Sentinels are 40 points base, what do we expect regular sentinels to drop to? 30? That would make it 40 points for the Scout version with lascannon. That starts getting pretty interesting also. Either type is cheap enough that a Sentinel Alpha Strike Spam with heavy weapon + hunter-killer doesn't really seem super expensive. 9 Armored sentinels with 10 point guns and HKs is 540 points and puts out a lot of mobile heavy weapons fire that doesn't degenerate into a parking lot. It's enough spam to be durable, but not so many points that it denies you infantry or HS. Also provides nice mobile cover to you infantry.

(I really like Sentinels)

Biophysical wrote:
Hot dang! I love 40 point Armored Sentinels! 50 point plasma or lascannons! Reasonably good tarpitters! Cheaper than a Chimera with half the footprint! I started some conversions a long time ago, but just couldn't make myself finish. I'm totally sold, now.

I can get a squadron of 3 AV12 walkers with plasma cannons for 150 points. That's substantially less than an Executioner for equivalent firepower (before sponson upgrades, at least), but in a Fast Attack slot intsead of a Heavy slot.

Vendettas are up to about 75 points per lascannon hit per turn. Armored Sentinels are down to 100 points per lascannon hit per turn, but they start on the board. It's not looking quite as ridiculously one-sided as it once was.

If Armored Sentinels are 40 points base, what do we expect regular sentinels to drop to? 30? That would make it 40 points for the Scout version with lascannon. That starts getting pretty interesting also. Either type is cheap enough that a Sentinel Alpha Strike Spam with heavy weapon + hunter-killer doesn't really seem super expensive. 9 Armored sentinels with 10 point guns and HKs is 540 points and puts out a lot of mobile heavy weapons fire that doesn't degenerate into a parking lot. It's enough spam to be durable, but not so many points that it denies you infantry or HS. Also provides nice mobile cover to you infantry.

(I really like Sentinels)

I was thinking 25 points a scout sentinal.

-15 points for -2 AV, + open topped + scout seems reasonable.

Though I do not play IG, I do admit that sentinals are pretty cool.

30 points for an outflanking autocannons scout sentinel is very good in my book.

Haha, my oft dreamed about and more often vaporised SentinWall army has taken a turn for the more effective. At these point six becomes nine!

I liked Sentinels before they were cool, just so you know.

Inquisitor Jex wrote:
30 points for an outflanking autocannons scout sentinel is very good in my book.

Yep.

Which is why they most likely won't be 25 pts a pop

Inquisitor Jex wrote:
30 points for an outflanking autocannons scout sentinel is very good in my book.

I ran my scout sentinels with autocannons and HK missiles. Used to be a 50 point load out. Good to know that I will be able to field them for more or less free.

 notprop wrote:
Haha, my oft dreamed about and more often vaporised SentinWall army has taken a turn for the more effective. At these point six becomes nine!

I liked Sentinels before they were cool, just so you know.

Impossible! Sentinels have always been cool.

Nine Sentinels in Astra Militarum, 3 Valkyries in Militarum Tempestus...

And tanks! Can't forget tanks!

 Kanluwen wrote:
Nine Sentinels in Astra Militarum, 3 Valkyries in Militarum Tempestus...

And tanks! Can't forget tanks!

18 sentinals if using 2FOC

mmm like the changes to sentinels and RR's so far...

I can really see the IG dex balancing outhte meta nicely...

so much cheap av 12 that wrecks skimmers, mmmmmmmm

maybe 2014 tournaments wont just be endless WS spam anymore... I really hope everyone who shelled out big bucks just to have the most OP broken list for a few months is rolling in their graves when they get rolled by IG now

The sheer amount of strength 7 AP4 spam possible now is pretty scary for Tau and Eldar players I would say.

On a very interesting note, look who is NOT available for the IG elites.

That's right, no "stormtroopers".

Any reason why the Sentinals are no longer under the AM Fast Attack tab on the main website?

 Maxurugi wrote:

 ultimentra wrote:
Good to know that Armored sentinels are still not worth taking!

Armored Sentinels with Plasma cannons for 50 pts instead of 75 seem at least considerable.

Quoted for truth.

I cant preorder wtf:

The first name is missing in the address.
The last name is missing in the address.
The address line is missing in the address.
The city is missing in the address.
The zip code in the address is invalid for the country.

I have entered it multiple times.

 Tomb King wrote:
I cant preorder wtf:

The first name is missing in the address.
The last name is missing in the address.
The address line is missing in the address.
The city is missing in the address.
The zip code in the address is invalid for the country.

I have entered it multiple times.

The address is missing in the address.

 Happygrunt wrote:
On a very interesting note, look who is NOT available for the IG elites.

That's right, no "stormtroopers".

Ogryn aren't in there either! OMG! NOGRYN!

The current ones are 35 vs 55 for the armored variety, but the armored ones were way overpriced. I'd be pretty surprised to see Scouts for 25 base points. I could see them adding some extra ability to Scouts for their 30 points. They already have Scout and Move Through Cover, maybe Fleet?

Now this from GW:


The page you are looking for cannot be found.

Similar results are provided below, or you can try another search


They are having difficulties.

I just noticed on GW's website, The last chancers and Gaunt's Ghosts were added to the listing in the troops section.

If an armored sentinel is 40pts, that means an unarmored one must be in the 25-30 range, which would be really cool. At that price, sentinels actually seem useful again. I'd rather have them for smaller games like kill team, but at that cheap a price you can bring a few and not break the bank.

And if they somehow got the option to be added on to infantry platoons, it would actually make the battleforce box *gasp* a really good starting point for guard.

I mean yeah, they're still not amazing, but at that price you don't care. They're literally so cheap that anything they kill is a bonus, and if they distract even a single unit of fire from something more important, it was probably worth it. I can actually see myself taking armored ones now. 40pts for an autocannon armored sentinel is a pretty good package, if not jaw dropping. I'd definitely give them a try.

I don't give a damn on what point cost the scout sentinel is set at. They are way too fragile. I desperately tried to play them, with different loadouts (autocannon / multilaser / lascannon). They are ex-aequo with ork buggies for the title of the most fragile vehicle in the game. They disappear as soon as a unit can draw a line of fire to them. They can get wiped out the turn they come into play, by the usual interceptor units. Playing scout sentinels is depressing. I was fully aware of their vulnerability when I played them in 5th edition, but they kind of worked, back then. Sixth edition arrival represented the kiss of death to scout sentinels.

Armoured sentinels carry some tactical potential and actual resilience, and I encourage anyone liking the sentinel model or concept to give them a good try. Especially with the new pricing.

If you need a suicidal unit carrying serious firepower, that can appear out of nowhere, units of scions will do the job much better. Plus, they can achieve line-breaker mission objective, while scout sentinel cannot.

If this is true, and Chimeras haven't been completely nerfed, we might see a return to mechanized warfare with IG. I'm thinking Chimeras with Plasma Vets behind an ADL, and Missile Launcher Sentinels behind them for the cover save shooting over the top.

We'll see...I really don't feel like buying an assload of sentinels.

So the Armored Sentinel is apparently finally somewhat sanely priced, 2HP's is still rather lame but at least there's a point to taking one now.

Oh look, another limited edition codex that's twice the price for exactly no bonus than a different dust jacket/slip cover.

Ridiculous. I don't know what I was expecting, but its still ridiculous.

Good to see sentinels were treated fairly.

 Blacksails wrote:
Oh look, another limited edition codex that's twice the price for exactly no bonus than a different dust jacket/slip cover.

Ridiculous. I don't know what I was expecting, but its still ridiculous.

Good to see sentinels were treated fairly.

I'm generally pretty pro-GW, but yeah, unfortunately that's the norm and I agree it's ludicrous. As for what's inside the $50 slipcase, it's looking promising thus far. I'm really happy to see Sentinels as a viable choice.

The Issuing authority for the Imperium needs to be re-educated by the Commisariat (or whatever it's called)

Company Commander: (of one of the most elite units in all of the known universe): I'll take a Power Fist, need to do some righteous pimp slappin...
Supply Officer: that will be 25 Imperium Dollars my good man.
Company Commander: 25 Imperiem Dollars thats insanity....

In walks Armored Sentinel Pilot

Sentinel Pilot: Hey Steve, I'm thinking of swapping out that Autocannon for A Plasma Cannon you good with that?
Supply Officer: Sure Joe, I have 17 in the back, just leave me 10 Imperium Dollars when you get finished loading it up.

Company Commander, starts crying a little inside.

 Brother SRM wrote:

I'm generally pretty pro-GW, but yeah, unfortunately that's the norm and I agree it's ludicrous. As for what's inside the $50 slipcase, it's looking promising thus far. I'm really happy to see Sentinels as a viable choice.

Indeed, and the Vendetta price hike is pretty fair, though I think coupled with the transport nerf went a little far. My gut feeling is saying 160pts, but time will tell.

There may yet be hope for me staying in this game.

hmmm... not sure why sentinels are off the GW site... I dont think they would be replacing such a newish plastic model would they?

I really, REALLY, hope the only reason storm troopers are off is because they get a new kit... making them tempestus only wouldbe sad sauce for me :(

marbo is still on the site as far as I can see, and like others have said, I think we can all rest assured he will be in the 20$ digital only data slate lol

oh god, please let there be some awesome new plastic guardsmen or veterans... and please let them have bolters as options.

I promise to sacrifice how ever many virgins it takes.

plenty of them hanging around the GW lol

Come on show us tread heads the new Russ points and options. And while your at it maybe the hellhounds too.

I wonder if the Hellhound and variants will also go down in price.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Happygrunt wrote:
On a very interesting note, look who is NOT available for the IG elites.

That's right, no "stormtroopers".

Ogryn aren't in there either! OMG! NOGRYN!

Not what I meant. What I am worried about is that the "storm troopers" (the new name is dumb and hard to type ) will have to played from their own codex and don't appear in the IG book. No reason why the kit isn't listed.

 BrookM wrote:
I wonder if the Hellhound and variants will also go down in price.

Isn't that part of the rule: if it sucked in the last codex it will rock in this one?

 BrookM wrote:
I wonder if the Hellhound and variants will also go down in price.

I really hope so, they need it badly, they should be more in the ~75-90pts region than ~120-130pts+

 Tomb King wrote:
Now this from GW:


The page you are looking for cannot be found.

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They are having difficulties.

I preordered just fine. Could it be on your end?

 easysauce wrote:
hmmm... not sure why sentinels are off the GW site... I dont think they would be replacing such a newish plastic model would they?

I really, REALLY, hope the only reason storm troopers are off is because they get a new kit... making them tempestus only wouldbe sad sauce for me :(

marbo is still on the site as far as I can see, and like others have said, I think we can all rest assured he will be in the 20$ digital only data slate lol

oh god, please let there be some awesome new plastic guardsmen or veterans... and please let them have bolters as options.

I promise to sacrifice how ever many virgins it takes.

plenty of them hanging around the GW lol

I see 3 things;

1-re making of the model
2-Simply repackaging
3-some sort of ultra box set with 3 of them inside for only an arm and half a leg.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
I wonder if the Hellhound and variants will also go down in price.

Isn't that part of the rule: if it sucked in the last codex it will rock in this one?

Pyrovores and flayed ones reads this and feels sad.

Sentinels are fine on UK and euro zone websites, the kit is recent and full of options, does no need to be redone. A warp storm might have occasioned a temporary shortage in USA.

 Ravajaxe wrote:
I don't give a damn on what point cost the scout sentinel is set at. They are way too fragile. I desperately tried to play them, with different loadouts (autocannon / multilaser / lascannon). They are ex-aequo with ork buggies for the title of the most fragile vehicle in the game. They disappear as soon as a unit can draw a line of fire to them. They can get wiped out the turn they come into play, by the usual interceptor units. Playing scout sentinels is depressing. I was fully aware of their vulnerability when I played them in 5th edition, but they kind of worked, back then. Sixth edition arrival represented the kiss of death to scout sentinels.

Armoured sentinels carry some tactical potential and actual resilience, and I encourage anyone liking the sentinel model or concept to give them a good try. Especially with the new pricing.

If you need a suicidal unit carrying serious firepower, that can appear out of nowhere, units of scions will do the job much better. Plus, they can achieve line-breaker mission objective, while scout sentinel cannot.

Dude, seriously? At 25 points you won't take tons of S6 multilaser shots that can outflank? (If they're 25 points) for 75 points you can outflank and unload 9 S6 shots on the rear armor of any enemy tank, or barge into a Tau firing line with multiple heavy flamers!

Inquisitor Jex wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
hmmm... not sure why sentinels are off the GW site... I dont think they would be replacing such a newish plastic model would they?

I really, REALLY, hope the only reason storm troopers are off is because they get a new kit... making them tempestus only wouldbe sad sauce for me :(

marbo is still on the site as far as I can see, and like others have said, I think we can all rest assured he will be in the 20$ digital only data slate lol

oh god, please let there be some awesome new plastic guardsmen or veterans... and please let them have bolters as options.

I promise to sacrifice how ever many virgins it takes.

plenty of them hanging around the GW lol

I see 3 things;

1-re making of the model
2-Simply repackaging
3-some sort of ultra box set with 3 of them inside for only an arm and half a leg.

#3
In search on GW enter
Armageddon Stompa Hunters
$90 for 3

 TheSilo wrote:

 Ravajaxe wrote:
I don't give a damn on what point cost the scout sentinel is set at. They are way too fragile. I desperately tried to play them, with different loadouts (autocannon / multilaser / lascannon). They are ex-aequo with ork buggies for the title of the most fragile vehicle in the game. They disappear as soon as a unit can draw a line of fire to them. They can get wiped out the turn they come into play, by the usual interceptor units. Playing scout sentinels is depressing. I was fully aware of their vulnerability when I played them in 5th edition, but they kind of worked, back then. Sixth edition arrival represented the kiss of death to scout sentinels.

Armoured sentinels carry some tactical potential and actual resilience, and I encourage anyone liking the sentinel model or concept to give them a good try. Especially with the new pricing.

If you need a suicidal unit carrying serious firepower, that can appear out of nowhere, units of scions will do the job much better. Plus, they can achieve line-breaker mission objective, while scout sentinel cannot.

Dude, seriously? At 25 points you won't take tons of S6 multilaser shots that can outflank? (If they're 25 points) for 75 points you can outflank and unload 9 S6 shots on the rear armor of any enemy tank, or barge into a Tau firing line with multiple heavy flamers!

Frankly, yes, I will not bother anymore (I tried). Scout sentinel don't have the calibre to be fielded in competitive environment.

Most of the times, the tank facing you reach by outflanking is side armor. It is nice for vindicators / predators, which is the best case scenario, but not stellar. Many tanks are scarcely found nowadays. Light tanks have vanished unless they give special troop protection for very cheap (like rhinos). For many transports like rhinos or equivalent, you do not gain any advantage by outflanking, you just lose a precious round of fire (or two). Against Wave Serpents, scouts sentinels arriving from flank do nothing good (and will get wiped out shortly after). The main dangerous ground threats you can face as a guard player are monstrous creatures, beasts and tau heavy suits. For example, a firebase of HYMP loaded broadsides easily slaughters a full platoon in two turns. Against them, you gain nothing by outflanking a moderate impact unit, without AP2. A unit that will divert only a small portion of opponent firepower to get rid of.

Miguelsan wrote:Marbo is my favourite Elite choice. 65pts to annoy your opponent is wonderful. Me sad panda now that he might be gone from the codex.
At this rate everybody is going to start playing a choose your own codex

Now you know how tyranid players felt with Doom, Parasite, Mycetic spore and Ymgarl genestealers deleted just like that.

pretre wrote:

Zengu wrote:
Love that! I know everyone I play with always wanted a female commissar. GW why you no give female commissar!

They made one back in the day:

Erm ... just glueing two greenstuff balls to a dude doesn't make the miniature female
And since when are epaulettes attached to the ears

Anything new concerning the warlord traits?

 Vaktathi wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
I wonder if the Hellhound and variants will also go down in price.

I really hope so, they need it badly, they should be more in the ~75-90pts region than ~120-130pts+

oh god yes... way over priced right now, I have a few of them and some rough riders that I am itching to get some use out of (have the old school tallarn RR's so they even look good!)


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 Ravajaxe wrote:

Light tanks have vanished unless they give special troop protection for very cheap (like rhinos).

no light tanks that have side vunarbilities?

ummm, have you played in a tournament since codex eldar dropped?

something that gets around that damn sheild, and can be off the table (ie invincible) before it comes on to do it is AWESOME... that it can be 50 pts or less makes me almost forgive the horrible name change for guard.

I have yet to go to a tournament where eldar skimmers were not 50% of the enemies there... frick, the LVO it was INSANE how many of the same list there were.

not to mention useful against tau skimmers... and anything on the table edge that cant hurt walkers.

Found these floating around. Found them on 4chan, so apply all the salt needed.

EDIT: Source found, it's the epub preview from GW digital.

Selecting a Tank Commander makes him and his Squadron an HQ Choice.

Tank Orders: A Tank Commander can roll 2D6 at the beginning of the Shooting phase. If the total result is 9 or less, choose one of the following Tank Orders to immediately take effect.

• ‘Full Throttle!’

The officer leads a glorious tank charge that grinds the enemy beneath his treads.

The Tank Commander’s unit immediately moves Flat Out, moving up to 6+D6”, even though they are Heavy.

• ‘Gunners, Kill on Sight!’

The officer gives his men free rein to unleash discretionary fire.

The Tank Commander’s unit immediately makes a shooting attack. The Tank Commander must shoot at a different target to the rest of his unit. The Tank Commander must resolve his shooting attack first. Once this shooting attack has been resolved, resolve the shooting attacks made by the rest of the unit. These must be at a different target, which cannot be a unit forced to disembark as a result of the Tank Commander’s initial shooting attack.

• ‘Strike and Shroud!’

The squadron fires a volley before activating their smoke launchers.

The Tank Commander’s unit must make a shooting attack. After this shooting attack has been resolved, all vehicles in the unit that have not already done so must use their smoke launchers.

Leman Russ Commander: A Tank Commander starts the game in a Leman Russ tank, leading a Leman Russ Squadron. Note that any type of Leman Russ can be taken as the Tank Commander’s vehicle, and that it can have any upgrades usually available to that type of tank. The Tank Commander’s tank is a character, has Ballistic Skill 4 and can be chosen as your army’s Warlord. If his tank is Wrecked or suffers an Explodes! result, the Tank Commander is killed.

A Tank Commander and his Leman Russ Squadron count as an HQ choice for the entire of the battle. The Tank Commander’s Leman Russ cannot leave the unit or join another unit, even if the rest of his squadron are destroyed.

 Miguelsan wrote:

 Brother SRM wrote:

 Leprousy wrote:

 Zakiriel wrote:
Part of me wants a IG force now...

I have one I would be happy to sell now! This release has put the last nail in the coffin for me GW

You haven't played with the stupid codex yet, hold your goddamn horses and quit with the Chicken Little routine. Just because you don't like the new models (or just the Taurox I guess) that doesn't mean you have to get rid of your other ones. Most of my army was sculpted in 1995 and is going to be as usable now as ever.

This!

To all the Doom and Gloom people: 40K is a game, GW can be as dickish and incompetent at writing rules as it wants but it's still a game and we control how we play it. Search for like minded people and adapt the game to your tastes and don't allow GW to dictate terms you dislike. You don't like the Taurox? Proxy it. The new ST are too gothic for you? Dreamforge has nice count as...
Almost my entire army is 3rd party and all my vehicles are converted WW2 plastic models, yeah it means I can't play in a GW shop but I never did before so I'm not real concerned about. Take the clever stance and play 40K, don't let 40K play you.

M.

Admittedly I may have come off a bit doom and gloom here. Truly that wasn't entirely intended. When GW brought the chapterhouse lawsuit and the whole "space marine" thing on the kindle store I stopped giving them my money. When 6th came out I played a few games, and was really unhappy with it (especially in comparison to other newer games). I was REALLY hoping these releases would inspire me, but they haven't. I'm a modeler first. No the codex isn't released, but the models themselves were truly the nail in the coffin for me. I really am selling my iIG. I'm actually photographing it all this weekend to post on bartertown. Hopefully the new codex will excite enough other people, and it will be easy to move.

Sorry. I didn't truly mean to be so doom and gloom, but well yeah...

 Happygrunt wrote:
Found these floating around. Found them on 4chan, so apply all the salt needed.

Selecting a Tank Commander makes him and his Squadron an HQ Choice.

Tank Orders: A Tank Commander can roll 2D6 at the beginning of the Shooting phase. If the total result is 9 or less, choose one of the following Tank Orders to immediately take effect.

• ‘Full Throttle!’

The officer leads a glorious tank charge that grinds the enemy beneath his treads.

The Tank Commander’s unit immediately moves Flat Out, moving up to 6+D6”, even though they are Heavy.

• ‘Gunners, Kill on Sight!’

The officer gives his men free rein to unleash discretionary fire.

The Tank Commander’s unit immediately makes a shooting attack. The Tank Commander must shoot at a different target to the rest of his unit. The Tank Commander must resolve his shooting attack first. Once this shooting attack has been resolved, resolve the shooting attacks made by the rest of the unit. These must be at a different target, which cannot be a unit forced to disembark as a result of the Tank Commander’s initial shooting attack.

• ‘Strike and Shroud!’

The squadron fires a volley before activating their smoke launchers.

The Tank Commander’s unit must make a shooting attack. After this shooting attack has been resolved, all vehicles in the unit that have not already done so must use their smoke launchers.

Leman Russ Commander: A Tank Commander starts the game in a Leman Russ tank, leading a Leman Russ Squadron. Note that any type of Leman Russ can be taken as the Tank Commander’s vehicle, and that it can have any upgrades usually available to that type of tank. The Tank Commander’s tank is a character, has Ballistic Skill 4 and can be chosen as your army’s Warlord. If his tank is Wrecked or suffers an Explodes! result, the Tank Commander is killed.

A Tank Commander and his Leman Russ Squadron count as an HQ choice for the entire of the battle. The Tank Commander’s Leman Russ cannot leave the unit or join another unit, even if the rest of his squadron are destroyed.

Woah... Ok, granted they're probably wishlisting of the highest order considering their source, but damn the second and third order look awesome, especially the second one.

The fact that the HQ choice could open up a full squadron of tanks (giving the potential to run TWELVE Leman Russ tanks in one force org chart makes me giddy, even if it's likely just wishlisting.

Loving the thought of a Leman Russ Vanquisher as an HQ, backed up by a punisher and an exterminator in the squadron as well.

We'll see, I suppose. Thanks for the info.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

 Red__Thirst wrote:


Woah... Ok, granted they're probably wishlisting of the highest order considering their source, but damn the second and third order look awesome, especially the second one.

The fact that the HQ choice could open up a full squadron of tanks (giving the potential to run TWELVE Leman Russ tanks in one force org chart makes me giddy, even if it's likely just wishlisting.

Loving the thought of a Leman Russ Vanquisher as an HQ, backed up by a punisher and an exterminator in the squadron as well.

We'll see, I suppose. Thanks for the info.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

I agree. I normally run my tanks in single squadrons to let me hit more targets/ split my opponents fire, so getting another slot for a russ (now BS4) is awesome.

Fire and Shroud is nice, as it will (once per game) let you fire from a safer position then normal.

I am trying to think what the best option for HQ tank will be. I am tempted to say Vanquisher or Punisher, as they benefit most from the BS increase. I will probably end up running an HQ vanquisher, two single demolishers and a punisher as my armored support. Should leave room for mechanized troops and a CCS to round out the list.

Dare I say that this expanded system of orders might actually succeed at delivering the IG/AM fluff and flavor to the battlefield?

I love that this has the potential to add a layer of tactical complexity to the IG/AM, particularly since GW seems to be pushing for a more expansive ruleset that encourages varied interactions rather than limiting them (e.g. IG Priests 'this combat ability can be conferred to any unit except ogryns, the only unit that might actually make use of it).

Those tank orders are all correct. They are visible in the preview of the digital version, via the blacklibrary site. Read them there myself.

Had a small chuckle when checking the new stuff out on the GW site, only to see that one can still order an "Imperial Guard Valkyrie" in the Astra Miltarum section of the store.

Evidently they try to surprise their web team with new releases too!

 Red__Thirst wrote:


Woah... Ok, granted they're probably wishlisting of the highest order considering their source, but damn the second and third order look awesome, especially the second one.

The fact that the HQ choice could open up a full squadron of tanks (giving the potential to run TWELVE Leman Russ tanks in one force org chart makes me giddy, even if it's likely just wishlisting.

Loving the thought of a Leman Russ Vanquisher as an HQ, backed up by a punisher and an exterminator in the squadron as well.

We'll see, I suppose. Thanks for the info.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

As much as I loathe 4chan, they do tend to have people every so often leaking very accurate stuff.

So, if Leman Russ tanks are still heavy... That means that, barring yet another special rule, Sponsons continue to be absolutely frigging useless for 2/3rds of the Leman Russ tanks.

The orders seem incredibly rubbish to me as well. Hopefully I'm missing some tactical nuances.

1) Skip a shooting phase to move a bit more. 6' by 4' Battlefields are not big enough to move backwards out of assault/melta range and why would you want to move closer to the aforementioned melta guns.

2) I really don't see the point of this. It's an incredibly wordy rule, with caveats forbidding everything that seems to make the rule useful. Seriously, all that stuff to let you pretend, for the duration of a shooting phase, that a tank in a squadron isn't part of a squadron. My tip would be... If you want to do that, don't put the tanks in a huge squadron that takes up a third of your points allowance in a game...

3) Now this could actually be useful. For one turn only.

The orders don't seem that good to me, either.

An extra 6+D6'' is lame, and serves no real purpose. Sure, it makes Russ's "faster", but they're still slower than every other vehicle, but just can't shoot.

A pseudo split-fire seems "meh, alright". I can see the uses, though really they should have just given the damn thing split-fire...

Aren't smoke launchers one-use only? I can't actually remember. But either way, don't see this being hugely useful, either.

- - - - -

I mean, to be honest, I'm actually not sure what orders they could have created that would be useful for tanks, but aren't duplicates of infantry orders or overpowered (like bestowing twin-linked, or tank hunter).

 Compel wrote:
1) Skip a shooting phase to move a bit more. 6' by 4' Battlefields are not big enough to move backwards out of assault/melta range and why would you want to move closer to the aforementioned melta guns.

This could occasionally be useful for the demolisher and punisher, since they're sometimes out of range. An extra 6+D6" move to set up a demolisher cannon shot next turn is better than whatever you're going to get from a single BS 3 heavy bolter.

2) I really don't see the point of this. It's an incredibly wordy rule, with caveats forbidding everything that seems to make the rule useful. Seriously, all that stuff to let you pretend, for the duration of a shooting phase, that a tank in a squadron isn't part of a squadron. My tip would be... If you want to do that, don't put the tanks in a huge squadron that takes up a third of your points allowance in a game...

It's useful for FOC reasons. For example, you use a single HQ slot to take your tanks, and put three cheap Hydras/Griffons/etc in your three heavy support slots. It's not game changing, but it's not bad if you get it for free.

I'd say the second order would be usefull if you gave your Tank Commander a Vanquisher Tank, but the other two Tanks in his Squadron are Vanilla Russes. The Tank Commander can shoot at whatever vehicle he feels like, while the other two shoot at some infantry.

I look at it this way. Their not the best but I like them better than the FW orders for the most part. Also they did not have to make tank HQ's they could have kept them the same. Also I found that the BS 4 helps a lot even with blast weps. And the free space for tanks is great.

 kir44n wrote:
I'd say the second order would be usefull if you gave your Tank Commander a Vanquisher Tank, but the other two Tanks in his Squadron are Vanilla Russes. The Tank Commander can shoot at whatever vehicle he feels like, while the other two shoot at some infantry.

But even with LD 9 success is far from guaranteed, so it's probably not a good idea to mix weapons on the assumption that you'll be able to split fire. It's a nice bonus when it happens, but not something to depend on.

Since storm troopers no longer exist and are now called Scions are the new Scions the only legal model?

Are the old kasrkin models and other old storm troopers playable as scions or are they illegal?

The average roll on a pair of dice is 7. In fact, 7 is the number that has the highest number of possible dice combinations with two dice being rolled. So when I have to roll a Leadership of 9 or below......to be honest, I'm unconcerned. In a 6 turn game I should only fail the order once, if that.

Orthon wrote:
Since storm troopers no longer exist and are now called Scions are the new Scions the only legal model?

Are the old kasrkin models and other old storm troopers playable as scions or are they illegal?

I highly doubt that somebody would disallow the use of OOP models. I mean, they're still GW models, just because they aren't produced anymore shouldn't mean they're not allowed to be used.

I assume you're talking about at tournaments/in GW stores.

Hydra=changing to open topped kinda sucks.

 Peregrine wrote:

 kir44n wrote:
I'd say the second order would be usefull if you gave your Tank Commander a Vanquisher Tank, but the other two Tanks in his Squadron are Vanilla Russes. The Tank Commander can shoot at whatever vehicle he feels like, while the other two shoot at some infantry.

But even with LD 9 success is far from guaranteed, so it's probably not a good idea to mix weapons on the assumption that you'll be able to split fire. It's a nice bonus when it happens, but not something to depend on.

The chances of passing Ld9 is 5/6. So you'd be happy relying on it the same way you'd rely on a 2+ on a D6.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
An extra 6+D6'' is lame, and serves no real purpose. Sure, it makes Russ's "faster", but they're still slower than every other vehicle, but just can't shoot.

A pseudo split-fire seems "meh, alright". I can see the uses, though really they should have just given the damn thing split-fire...

Aren't smoke launchers one-use only? I can't actually remember. But either way, don't see this being hugely useful, either.

And not a single one of these orders gives the squadron 'Fear'. I mean, what a joke!!!

 Byte wrote:
Hydra=changing to open topped kinda sucks.

I just hope there's a point decrease because of it .

 Sir Bubbles wrote:

Orthon wrote:
Since storm troopers no longer exist and are now called Scions are the new Scions the only legal model?

Are the old kasrkin models and other old storm troopers playable as scions or are they illegal?

I highly doubt that somebody would disallow the use of OOP models. I mean, they're still GW models, just because they aren't produced anymore shouldn't mean they're not allowed to be used.

I assume you're talking about at tournaments/in GW stores.

Kasrkins=Scions. Any sane opponent would accept this. Including tournaments. At least one would hope.

 kir44n wrote:
I'd say the second order would be usefull if you gave your Tank Commander a Vanquisher Tank, but the other two Tanks in his Squadron are Vanilla Russes. The Tank Commander can shoot at whatever vehicle he feels like, while the other two shoot at some infantry.

If you have this configuration for your tanks then you're already playing the codex wrong anyway.. Not sure any order would help at that point!

 Kirasu wrote:

 kir44n wrote:
I'd say the second order would be usefull if you gave your Tank Commander a Vanquisher Tank, but the other two Tanks in his Squadron are Vanilla Russes. The Tank Commander can shoot at whatever vehicle he feels like, while the other two shoot at some infantry.

If you have this configuration for your tanks then you're already playing the codex wrong anyway.. Not sure any order would help at that point!

I'm just saying its an option with those orders. Vanquishers are somewhat overkill in units more than 2, and your base leman russ doesn't need a BS of 4. Though an Exterminator or Punisher with the higher BS would be amusing. Anyways, codex isn't even out yet, so we don't know the "right" way to play the codex yet =P

 Kirasu wrote:

 kir44n wrote:
I'd say the second order would be usefull if you gave your Tank Commander a Vanquisher Tank, but the other two Tanks in his Squadron are Vanilla Russes. The Tank Commander can shoot at whatever vehicle he feels like, while the other two shoot at some infantry.

If you have this configuration for your tanks then you're already playing the codex wrong anyway.. Not sure any order would help at that point!

Currently. But its now not too bad to have squads with a commander who has a different load out to the rest of the squad. Orders hardly ever fail so you can squeeze a bit more out of your support if you wanted to.

Of course we dont know all the details yet but in theory theres nothing wrong with that suggestion.

 pretre wrote:
It's an updated/modern Tallarn power sword.

If you really think that the Commissar's sword was an intentional modern take on an ancient Tallarn Sergeant model, then you have too much faith in GW's designers.

In any case, a curved sword isn't the problem. It's just how damned big it is.

That's what she said.

 azreal13 wrote:
That's what she said.

my wet tablet hates you!

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
The chances of passing Ld9 is 5/6. So you'd be happy relying on it the same way you'd rely on a 2+ on a D6.

But a 2+ isn't an automatic success. I could see relying on it for something like a plasma sponson vanquisher and a pair of executioners, since even if you can't split fire the command tank is still contributing something. But a 1/6 chance of failure is too much when you have something like a vanquisher and LRBTs, where failing the order means wasting hundreds of points that turn.

Just seeing GW change the IG layout, although there still on the stocklist i just ebayed myself some Guants Ghosts on ebay for a 10er. I can just see them being cut when i'm not looking...

 Peregrine wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
The chances of passing Ld9 is 5/6. So you'd be happy relying on it the same way you'd rely on a 2+ on a D6.

But a 2+ isn't an automatic success. I could see relying on it for something like a plasma sponson vanquisher and a pair of executioners, since even if you can't split fire the command tank is still contributing something. But a 1/6 chance of failure is too much when you have something like a vanquisher and LRBTs, where failing the order means wasting hundreds of points that turn.

Eh, given a 1 in 6 chance of failing the order and the fact even if you fail the tanks can still fire, just not at different targets, I'd be happy enough taking a Vanquisher with LRBT's if my Heavy Support slots are all full and I want more Russes.

I usually split my tanks apart as much as possible anyway and just squadron them up if I'm running out of FOC slots.

Nightclub Bouncher of the 42nd Millenium ,are spare tracks preferred choices of groin plates? And what is his weapon? it looks like a club but it also looks like medieval Handgonne

 BlaxicanX wrote:
The orders don't seem that good to me, either.

An extra 6+D6'' is lame, and serves no real purpose. Sure, it makes Russ's "faster", but they're still slower than every other vehicle, but just can't shoot.

A pseudo split-fire seems "meh, alright". I can see the uses, though really they should have just given the damn thing split-fire...

Aren't smoke launchers one-use only? I can't actually remember. But either way, don't see this being hugely useful, either.

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I mean, to be honest, I'm actually not sure what orders they could have created that would be useful for tanks, but aren't duplicates of infantry orders or overpowered (like bestowing twin-linked, or tank hunter).

Ramming speed baby!

 kir44n wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:

 kir44n wrote:
I'd say the second order would be usefull if you gave your Tank Commander a Vanquisher Tank, but the other two Tanks in his Squadron are Vanilla Russes. The Tank Commander can shoot at whatever vehicle he feels like, while the other two shoot at some infantry.

If you have this configuration for your tanks then you're already playing the codex wrong anyway.. Not sure any order would help at that point!

I'm just saying its an option with those orders. Vanquishers are somewhat overkill in units more than 2, and your base leman russ doesn't need a BS of 4. Though an Exterminator or Punisher with the higher BS would be amusing. Anyways, codex isn't even out yet, so we don't know the "right" way to play the codex yet =P

know what the best thing is about putting the commander in an executioner?

precision mo fo in shots!

heck I can think of a few other tanks that would absolutely rock the socks because of precision shots...


and yes, the extra move order is stupid, meh the others are AWESOME

we get to shoot, AND use smoke now? sweeeet, free cover baby. split fire is really powerful too, in general this looks like it opes a lot of stuff up for mech guard again.

 easysauce wrote:

 kir44n wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:

 kir44n wrote:
I'd say the second order would be usefull if you gave your Tank Commander a Vanquisher Tank, but the other two Tanks in his Squadron are Vanilla Russes. The Tank Commander can shoot at whatever vehicle he feels like, while the other two shoot at some infantry.

If you have this configuration for your tanks then you're already playing the codex wrong anyway.. Not sure any order would help at that point!

I'm just saying its an option with those orders. Vanquishers are somewhat overkill in units more than 2, and your base leman russ doesn't need a BS of 4. Though an Exterminator or Punisher with the higher BS would be amusing. Anyways, codex isn't even out yet, so we don't know the "right" way to play the codex yet =P

know what the best thing is about putting the commander in an executioner?

precision mo fo in shots!

heck I can think of a few other tanks that would absolutely rock the socks because of precision shots...

Wait, how do tanks get precision shots?

I intend to run my HQ tank as a Vanquisher with a standard LRBT trucking along with it as a 'shield'. Use the split fire order to plug armor with the HQ's vanquisher cannon and the LRBT's Battlecannon to hit other targets of opportunity, be it armor or infantry. Alternate option is to run a decked out Punisher and an Exterminator in the squadron with it to mow down infantry.

I'll run a pair of Griffon Mortars as my first Heavy Support choice.

Other Heavy Support will take the form of sundry Leman Russ variants, be they Demolisher, standard Battlecannon Leman Russes, or Exterminator patterns.

My current stable consists of Four Leman Russ Hulls.
One is modular between LRBT or Vanquisher (new kit)
One has two turret options, Exterminator or Vanquisher (old kit)
One has a battlecannon turret (alternate Exterminator/Vanquisher turret option here, old kit).
One is modular between Demolisher, Punisher, and Executioner (new kit).

Considering picking up one or two more for purpose, but we'll see. With the option to have extra Leman Russes in the army not eating up heavy support slots, it certainly gives me incentive to consider running three squadrons of two tanks together while still leaving a spare Heavy slot for some artillery.

Cool stuff to be sure. It was news like this I was looking forward to and wanting to get excited about this new codex.

TL;DR - 'Mo tanks, 'Mo betta.

Take it easy

-Red__Thirst-

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Wait, how do tanks get precision shots?

tank commander is an IC, cant join or leave units IIRC, but would still get precision shots.


like I said, YUMMY!

finally a non t3 hq "oh you got first blood by killing 5 t3 guys with 5+ armour, AND slay the warlord" unit

assuming the sponson options and stats remain, punisher cannon and 3 Hbolters, 35 bs 4 precision possible str 5 shots

Easysauce your gonna make that nids and ork player cry, stop it hehe. But in all seriousness I think the IG make make it out of this update relatively .. dare I say it? Balanced.. Though some details still remain to be seen (i.e, Is that a open topped Taurox or was that just for show?) I hope our high model count keeps us out of that FOTM club.

I covered the Stormtroopers Codex for the curious: http://www.talkwargaming.com/2014/04/new-release-codex-militarum-tempestus_4.html

Is Pask still an upgrade? He makes a Punisher a murder machine (29 S6 against armor or rerolling wounds against MCs). He's d@mn good in an Exterminator also.

 Ir0njack wrote:
Easysauce your gonna make that nids and ork player cry, stop it hehe. But in all seriousness I think the IG make make it out of this update relatively .. dare I say it? Balanced.. Though some details still remain to be seen (i.e, Is that a open topped Taurox or was that just for show?) I hope our high model count keeps us out of that FOTM club.

The white dwarf said the sculptor was allowed to go all out on the interior, so its just for show. I thought it was pretty cool.

dkellyj wrote:
Is Pask still an upgrade? He makes a Punisher a murder machine (29 S6 against armor or rerolling wounds against MCs). He's d@mn good in an Exterminator also.

They are selling him in a 3 Russ boxed set with crewmen so i will assume he still is available.

I'm guessing they got rid of Pask. Because having up to 3 BS4 tanks would be too awesome. I am happy I might have room in my Heavy support for hydras and colossus' now. Very exciting.

 portugus wrote:
I'm guessing they got rid of Pask. Because having up to 3 BS4 tanks would be too awesome. I am happy I might have room in my Heavy support for hydras and colossus' now. Very exciting.

I'm guessing Pask will be a HQ too.

So we have the potential for 15 russes in an army. 2 tank command squadrons in the Hq slots, then three squadrons in heavy support. Frakk the hell yes

I am not really liking any of these rumors so far. This is definitely an IG book I will be reading before I consider buying. There is a solid chance that I may shelf my IG army because of this, but as it is GW has been losing my interest for a long time with their decisions and failing to gain it back.

Possibly been mentioned but the Designer Notes in the digital edition of White Dwarf Weekly are about the new Ogryns kit.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 portugus wrote:
I'm guessing they got rid of Pask. Because having up to 3 BS4 tanks would be too awesome. I am happy I might have room in my Heavy support for hydras and colossus' now. Very exciting.

I'm guessing Pask will be a HQ too.

On the UK website, Pask is in the Heavy Support section. He's listed individually and as part of a Leman Russ squadron.

 ph34r wrote:
I am not really liking any of these rumors so far. This is definitely an IG book I will be reading before I consider buying. There is a solid chance that I may shelf my IG army because of this, but as it is GW has been losing my interest for a long time with their decisions and failing to gain it back.

The more I hear about it the less enthused I am. We've gotten a Stormtrooper company book, but many of the fundamental issues and problems of Stormtroopers remain unfixed, the book's organization is weird and highly non standard, the new transport we've got is redundant and/or overgeared (in addition to looking dumb), Valks and Vendettas both got nerfed (though the prince increase on the Vend was valid), Hydras get stuck with being Open Topped, Vox's still work very stupidly, the Warlord traits thus far sound thoroughly wacky (grenades...really?), and in general it sounds like several important existing orders may disappear along with possibly the medusa/griffon/collossus along with Marbo and Penal Legionnaires, nor does it appear (as yet anyway) that any improvements have been made to units in significant dire need.

the only bright spot thus far apparently being that Sentinels will apparently be cheaper, we'll have some sort of new Ogryns, a new HS mortar tank, a new transport (redundant and/or overequipped as they may be) and ST's are at least cheaper.

I hope I'm not just being overly pessimistic, but from what it feels like, this is shaping up to be a rather uninspiring and undesired release.

 Vaktathi wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
I am not really liking any of these rumors so far. This is definitely an IG book I will be reading before I consider buying. There is a solid chance that I may shelf my IG army because of this, but as it is GW has been losing my interest for a long time with their decisions and failing to gain it back.

The more I hear about it the less enthused I am. We've gotten a Stormtrooper company book, but many of the fundamental issues and problems of Stormtroopers remain unfixed, the book's organization is weird and highly non standard, the new transport we've got is redundant and/or overgeared (in addition to looking dumb), Valks and Vendettas both got nerfed (though the prince increase on the Vend was valid), Hydras get stuck with being Open Topped, Vox's still work very stupidly, the Warlord traits thus far sound thoroughly wacky (grenades...really?), and in general it sounds like several important existing orders may disappear along with possibly the medusa/griffon/collossus along with Marbo and Penal Legionnaires, nor does it appear (as yet anyway) that any improvements have been made to units in significant dire need.

the only bright spot thus far apparently being that Sentinels will apparently be cheaper, we'll have some sort of new Ogryns, a new HS mortar tank, a new transport (redundant and/or overequipped as they may be) and ST's are at least cheaper.

I hope I'm not just being overly pessimistic, but from what it feels like, this is shaping up to be a rather uninspiring and undesired release.

You are being pessimistic. Every complaint there is trivial.

1) I'm strongly convinced that Storm Troopers are viable now, so any point on them having unfixed issues is effectively moot from my perspective

2) The new transport is not redundant, the TL Gatling + TL Hot Shot Volley Gun puts out more firepower than a DE Venom, and certainly more than the Chimera

3) Valks got a price increase, but in the MT book there's an air cavalry doctrine that makes them very viable.

4) We don't even know if the Vendettas have received a price increase yet for sure

5) Hydras have open topped, big deal. Vehicles die. Don't be an idiot and let them die without accomplishing something.

6) Did you really expect them to massively buff a 5 point upgrade?

7) The Warlord traits are wacky, but among some of the best yet written.

I like the sound of a Tank Commander, even if just for the BS4. Does the preview list the cost to upgrade to a Command tank?

 Mr.Omega wrote:


You are being pessimistic. Every complaint there is trivial.

1) I'm strongly convinced that Storm Troopers are viable now, so any point on them having unfixed issues is effectively moot from my perspective

Yes ST's are cheaper now. However cost alone does not make something work. They dropped 4 PPM but also lost a bunch of stuff. There are 2 core problems, the first is the Hotshot lasgun having too short a range and too low a strength to be hugely effective outside the most optimal of circumstances (under 9") where their likely targets are also going to be most (and typically, more) effective at fighting them back. The second is that they retain the statline of the basic 5pt guardsmen aside from Ballistic Skill and Sv, including crucially Ld, meaning that they have to rely entirely on said ineffective wargear for their direct combat usefulness over similar alternatives (SWS's, Vets, command squads) while being only marignally harder to remove, and only if taken at greater than basic strength. Effectively the patient looks to have lost weight but is still out of shape.

2) The new transport is not redundant, the TL Gatling + TL Hot Shot Volley Gun puts out more firepower than a DE Venom, and certainly more than the Chimera

And is notably more expensive, potentially twice as expensive after kit as a Chimera (unless they've made major changes to it) while also being easier to kill (hence my comment about being overburdened), and looking very silly.

3) Valks got a price increase, but in the MT book there's an air cavalry doctrine that makes them very viable.

Which doesn't apply to the main IG codex if you didn't want to run an MT army.

4) We don't even know if the Vendettas have received a price increase yet for sure

We don't know most of these things for sure, hence why I stated "feels like" instead of just flat out "is".

5) Hydras have open topped, big deal. Vehicles die. Don't be an idiot and let them die without accomplishing something.

Setting aside the silly logic of what essentially amounts to "L2P bro" that can literally be applied to anything if you don't want to acknowledge problems with anything, the tank has never been open topped, going all the way back to Epic and over a decade of having its own FW model, and the change largely seeming to be arbitrary.

6) Did you really expect them to massively buff a 5 point upgrade?

I wouldn't necessarily expect it to remain 5pts and it all depends on the style of list as to what would be a "massive buff" (as static gunline lists would likely prefer the existing system and more mobile mechanized lists would likely prefer a vox system that allowed for extended range).


Then there's the potentially missing removed units if those bear out to be correct.

 Lone Cat wrote:
And what is his weapon? it looks like a club but it also looks like medieval Handgonne

It's a tetsubo, a weapon associated with Japanese Oni.

According to a spanish source of Faeit212 who has skimmed though the codex, the unit listing of units is similar to the 5th edition IG codex.
http://natfka.blogspot.fr/2014/04/astra-militarum-unit-list-leak.html

Here are the notable exceptions I can see :

HQ
+ Tank commander
* Nothing else special, primaris psyker still in.

Troops
- lack of special weapon squad
- Sergeant Bastonne lost in action
- Commander Al'Rahem lost in action
- Commander Chenkov lost in action
* Sergeant Harker still here

Elite
- Marbo lost in action
* Tempestus scions replace stormtrooper (we already knew that)
+ bullgryns

Dedicated Transports
+ Taurox (and taurox prime)

Fast attack
* unchanged

Heavy support
+ Wyvern comes in
- Griffon is out
- Medusa is out
- Colossus is out

Artillery out? Not good at all. Not unexpected, but still an absolute pain.

Guess they are headed to a supplement or dataslate.

No, not Marbo!

Looky Likey wrote:
Guess they are headed to a supplement or dataslate.

Dataslate "artillery company" I'm betting. You couldn't make a supplemental codex with them.

They're also in IA vol1.


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Still a bit rubbish though.... If true.

I've got my preorder Scions already from Element Games (UK) - that's release day, so pretty impressed with the turnaround time.

I've built a few and kitbashed a few with cadian parts - if anyone was wondering (I know I was) they seem to fit together reasonably well, I thought I'd link a couple of pictures

Scions are looking cool, Bull0, I particularly like the kneeling sniper. The Cadian and MT parts seem to mesh nicely.

I'm hopingwhat you Kitbashed was the legs from the cadians, because the kneeling one has a giant moldline that my eye instantly gravitated too.

I would hope that a brand new GW kit wouldn't have moldlines like that.

Has anybody heard anything about Regimental Doctrines that were rumored a while ago?

Personally i can't help but feel anxious. The IG has lost a lot of units, and i don't see anything very interesting (Maybe Bullgryns, maybe) to replace them.

According to the rumors, weve lost multiple special characters, Marbo, Al'harem, Chenkov. All of those were specifically designed to give an IG army the chance to really make itself stand out.

In 5th edition, an IG player who really payed attention to fluff could truly make something for himself that felt cool and interesting. If you wanted a tanith force, for example, you had veterans in camo cloaks. If you wanted a Valhallan force, you not only had chenkov but you had multiple artillery options and conscripts.

Some of those things might be still here, but i don't know if there is anything to replace them.

The only thing i really want to know at this point is if we are getting Regimental Doctrines like Space Marines, or even better, if were getting something like in the 4th edition codex where we can truly make a unique guard force. That's all i care about at this point.

I crafted a unique guard force that i am really proud of, some of the most fun i had was trying to represent that on the tabletop.

Yeah, I usually scrape after assembly rather than before. Those legs are from the cadian kit - there are definitely lines on the scion kit but they're nowhere near as dramatic.

 Paradigm wrote:
Scions are looking cool, Bull0, I particularly like the kneeling sniper. The Cadian and MT parts seem to mesh nicely.

Thanks!

So, I have one question to which I can't find the answer:

Tanks...

Can I have a LRBT HQ or Troops?

Puscifer wrote:
So, I have one question to which I can't find the answer:

Tanks...

Can I have a LRBT HQ or Troops?

HQ yes, Troops no.