Review of Codex Astra Militarum:
http://www.talkwargaming.com/2014/04/new-release-codex-astra-militarum.html

Third week releases:











Codex leaks:
http://astropate.blogspot.se/2014/04/nuova-astra-militarum-foto-del-codex-e.html#more
http://natfka.blogspot.de/2014/04/from-codex-astra-militarum.html
http://natfka.blogspot.de/2014/04/from-codex-astra-militarum-part-2.html
http://descansodelescriba.blogspot.de/


Second week preorders are up:













Review of Codex Militarum Tempestus:
http://www.talkwargaming.com/2014/04/new-release-codex-militarum-tempestus_4.html


WD pics of the second wave (in spoilers because of size):






Rumoured next weeks preorders:

Dex in Alaska on Faeit 212 wrote:Pre-Orders April 5th, Released April 12th

Astra Militarum Hydra/ Astra Militarum Wyvern $56

Codex: Astra Militarum $49.50
104 Pages, New Warlord Traits, background, “Along with a number of units never seen in the army before” “including rules for tank commanders and tempestus Scions platoons”

Codex: Astra Militarum Limited Edition $100 (online only)
Astra Militarum Cadian Armoured Fist $60 (11 models)- chimera +10guardsmen
Astra Militarum Orders: $6 (10 cards)

Commissar- paperback $14
Honour Imperialis Omnibus-paperback $17.50

Horus Heresy Book III: Extermination $116 (online only)

Preorders are up:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCatsLarge.jsp?catId=cat440160a&rootCatGameStyle=wh40k







Also available repackaged single weapon teams for Cadians and Catachans.

Not yet seen: A hardcover book including most Altar of War scenarios previously only released digitally:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440160a&prodId=prod2430052a

This book features the Altar of War missions from:

- Space Marines, including Sentinels of Terra and Clan Raukaan
- Dark Angels
- Imperial Knights
- Eldar, including lyanden
- Tau Empire, including Farsight Enclaves
- Tyranids
- Chaos Daemons
- Chaos Space Marines, including Black Legion.

First pics making the rounds:

So we have a Codex Astra Militarum (better known as Imperial Guard), release probably second week.
Then a mail order only Codex Militarum Tempestus (better known as Stormtroops Supplement).
Stormtroopers (Command and "Scions")
Big Transport (Taurox for IG, Taurox Prime for Stormtroopers)
Ogryn/Bullgryn box (probably 3, Bullgryns armoured)
Hydra (anti-air tank)

New pics added 25th March!






More and bigger pics in spoilers:

anonymous source on Faeit 212 wrote:I can confirm the reports of Astra Tempestus and Militarum leaks inside. Full stat pages and lore for the Taurox, Taurox Prime and Scions. Scions are WS 3 BS 4 Str 3 To 3 with Hot-shot Lasguns and Carapace armor. They can upgrade a number of models to have Plasma Guns, Melta Guns or Overcharged Lasguns. May take a Taurox or Chimera as dedicated transport. There is also a Scion Command Squad, but I forget the difference, they have the option of taking the Taurox Prime as dedicated transport instead.

Taurox is approx. the cost of a lone marine in a Rhino, 11 10 10 for armor and rerolls failed terrain rolls, comes mounted with an Autocannon and can hold 10 models. Taurox Prime is approx. 2 more marines in that rhino but comes with your choice of Taurox Missile Launcher, Battle Cannon or Gatling Cannon. Same armor and transport capacity as the regular model.

Other major part of the book is an apocalypse battle report between Tau and Necrons and painting guide for those beautiful Scions.

anonymous source on Faeit 212 wrote:The battle cannon on the Taurox Prime is a 'Taurox Battle Cannon'. I don't want to rain on anyone's parade but it is just Str 7 Ap4 Blast. It can be upgraded for the price of a sergeant to the Gatling Cannon which is Heavy 10 Str 4 AP - or a further sergeant to get the Missile Launcher which is your standard Heavy 2 Frag/Krak combo. The Prime also comes with a mounted Hotshot Volley Gun like the Scions can take which is TL Salvo 2/4 Str 4 Ap 3. Both the Taurox and Taurox prime have 2 additional firing points.

Scions also come with Deep Strike and Move Through Cover. 5 of them come in at the same cost as a 5 man marine tac squad, additional models are 1 Eldar Ranger each. The Scion command squad is the same cost as a 5 man Assault squad, can be upgraded with a Medic, Vox Caster and Banner. The Tempestor is Ldr 9 and all Tempestus squads within 18 inches can use his leadership for morale, pinning, etc. In addition, the Tempestor is considered a junior officer and can give 1 command as per current IG rules. Any command squad models not upgraded may replace their Hotshot Lasguns with Hotshot Volley Guns, Meltaguns or Plasma Guns.

And the Taurox Prime can be taken by regular Scions as well, I had made an error in the previous bit.

BTW some leaked pics from an upcoming WD showing Vendettas in Battle led to the speculation, that we might get a new Vendetta plastic sprue.




More pics:

Larry Vela on BOLS wrote:Imperial Guard will take up a 3 week release slot.- Week one is up for preorder with the March 22nd White Dwarf.- Breakdown is as follows:Week 1: 3 kits, including the Ogryns plastic combo-kit and 2 others.Week 2: CodexWeek 3: 2 kits

Larry Vela on BOLS wrote:Imperial Guard will take up a 3 week release slot.- Week one is up for preorder with the March 22nd White Dwarf.Week 1: three kits:- Ogryns/Bullgryns plastic combo-kit (one unit with ranged weapons, the other with giant shields and close combat weapons)- Stormtroopers/Veterans combo-kit- Unseen "Big transport" kit.This new vehicle is said to be able to move entire squads of Ogryns and other stuff (so apparently more transport space than the Chimera). This kit is said to be roughly Land Raider sized. Previous "big tank" chatter over a month ago has also described it as being influenced by the Forgeworld Malcador's design.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2014/03/40k-rumors-imperial-guard-week-1-minis.html
15th February:

40k Radio on Facebook wrote:Astra Militarium (Imperial Guard):
Stormtroopers (plastic)
Bullgryns (old Ogryns)
Commissar Squads
New Larger Transport

Stormtroopers, Commissar Squads, and Bullgryns are Astra Auxilary. These units may be taken as "plug-ins" to other Imperial armies.

Catachans and Cadians are covered in the new codex. Catachans are not going to direct only.

Added 3/31:

new guardsmen field artillary: wyvern

open topped vehicle

armor: 12 and then ten for sides and rear

other stats:

48" S4 AP6 Heavy 2, Barrage, Blast, Ignores Cover, and Shred

Taurox APC (just like tempestus)

Hydra flakk tank is now regular guard not forge world

fly my beauties fly!


other things of note in the new codex:


new warlord traits:
http://i.imgur.com/6HCQ9DE.jpg

new order cards with three new cards and existing ones have been buffed (take aim now applies to lascannons and hotshot lasguns)
http://i.imgur.com/vGBPpuS.jpg


images:
http://i.imgur.com/TXGxOjm.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/mWw5Rx0.jpg

source: http://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/21vhw7/new_guard/

Here a link to the previous rumour thread:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/578325.page

Uh, okay. Isn't there allready a superheavy transport, the crassus?

Otherwise, sounds like stuff at least some people wanted. That Veteran/Storm Trooper kit was asked for I believe

Right, I'll wait for another source to speak up, because Larry is anything but reliable.

I'm interested in seeing the transport and the Stormtroopers. The Ogryns are going to be ugly bastards like always.

Sigh, and the Fantasy release is pushed back.

What a shame since they only have 4 books to go to fully update every army to the current edition.

 Krellnus wrote:
Sigh, and the Fantasy release is pushed back.

What Fantasy release? We knew Guard was coming next.

Are they still doing releases 1 week after preorder? If so, then the first group of new guard kits will be out before the 1st of April. That seems a little odd.

I hope it's not another super heavy transport, IG already has three of those: the Gorgon, the Stormlord and the CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT. I do hope that Ogryn will get decent rules, I have a bunch lying around, but I can't really justify using them on the tabletop, and it's a shame since I love the models.
It'f they give them better rules, they will probably get an assault transport to go with them so people have to buy both.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Krellnus wrote:
Sigh, and the Fantasy release is pushed back.

What Fantasy release? We knew Guard was coming next.

We "knew" it was 40k coming next, we got Knights, 40k has had its turn and it isn't around Christmas, therefore the next release should be fantasy.

Don't think they've been doing a 'you go, I'll go' release system for 40K/Fantasy for a long time.

I wouldn't mind a big transport like the Gorgon. But not impressed by the rest.
M.

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
Don't think they've been doing a 'you go, I'll go' release system for 40K/Fantasy for a long time.

Well, ignoring The Hobbit stuff, all we've had is alternating 40k/fantasy from memory.

Like the sound of this but it seems to be a rehash of the last batch of rumours we had.

Not long to go now until we know if it's true or not.

I hope in a laser rifle strength 4

 l0k1 wrote:
Are they still doing releases 1 week after preorder? If so, then the first group of new guard kits will be out before the 1st of April. That seems a little odd.

Guess they had problems to stretch two plastic kits and one Codex over 5 weeks

I do hope the plastic stormtrooper rumors are true. I love the Kasrkin, but the lack of options in pose always made buying as many as I wanted something I couldn't get around to doing. It's one of the few things GW could release now that I'd be unreservedly interested in.

Of course, I'm not looking forward to a likely $50 for 10 price point on them since they are Elites, but you can't have everything.

Just checked the GW website for any clues. The only things missing are rough riders but these might have been dropped ages ago as they didn't fit any of the other regiments stocked / modelled.

I just want more vehicles & Cadians on quad bikes.
That regiment that uses giant turkeys as mounts in one of the GG novels would also be very cool.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Larry Vela

Stopped reading there.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
Larry Vela

Stopped reading there.

Yea, BOLS is mostly a noise repeater.

Have to do something to get those page views up.

Hmmm, plastic stormtroopers might be nice. Might get them as allies to my knight and/or Salamanders.

The transport might be interesting If it ia an option for the stormtroopers, used as per above.

I don't see any sense in the transport rumor at all. For one, people have mentioned that we already have them from FW and the baneblade variant kit, and with GW pushing escalation on us then we already have one in their eyes at least. Plus a big transport sounds to me like a non-release unless the "bullgryns" are really, really good in CC. Because we have no super ridiculous close combat unit like terminators and other SM units, so why would it make sense to give IG a Land Raider equivalent? It doesn't at all haha.

Aside from a new codex, nothing about those rumors have me excited

I could only see it as a Command HQ transport that would allow other options to take place. Better communications to bring in reinforcements, more accurate orbital strikes, give rerolls to units as it gives orders. Maybe they are going to build that massive tank that carried other tanks. We already have the powered armored marines in suits of power armor(centurians), and terminators in terminator armour (dreadknights) why not tanks inside tanks? For the love of God we even have tyranids inside tyranids totally forgot about those.

Pic of Dakka's own Machinator built Leviathan

I can't wait. IG are 5th on my list of gak I'll never get to build but would love to someday.

 bubber wrote:
Just checked the GW website for any clues. The only things missing are rough riders but these might have been dropped ages ago as they didn't fit any of the other regiments stocked / modelled.

I just want more vehicles & Cadians on quad bikes.
That regiment that uses giant turkeys as mounts in one of the GG novels would also be very cool.

Chocobo riders!?

It seems like a missed opportunity if no new regiments come out in plastic (with an optional supplement to boot), but all things in due time I guess.

 Kosake wrote:
Uh, okay. Isn't there allready a superheavy transport, the crassus?

Otherwise, sounds like stuff at least some people wanted. That Veteran/Storm Trooper kit was asked for I believe

LOL, you gave me a flashback when I posted (way back when) that GW was doing a plastic Valkyrie, when FW had a resin one, and everyone said the same thing "But FW already has one..."...

Anyways, what of the new guard codex portion of the rumors? anything?

 kronk wrote:
I can't wait. IG are 5th on my list of gak I'll never get to build but would love to someday.

Every long term 40k player has an IG and/or Ork army they want to build someday. Just like every long term 40k player ends up with multiple Space Marine armies.

 Theophony wrote:
I could only see it as a Command HQ transport that would allow other options to take place. Better communications to bring in reinforcements, more accurate orbital strikes, give rerolls to units as it gives orders. Maybe they are going to build that massive tank that carried other tanks. We already have the powered armored marines in suits of power armor(centurians), and terminators in terminator armour (dreadknights) why not tanks inside tanks? For the love of God we even have tyranids inside tyranids totally forgot about those.

Pic of Dakka's own Machinator built Leviathan

Dude, you might be right.... With GW all about the reach back to the past, all these epic scales becoming 28mm scale, imagine this vehicle as long and wide as a malcador, but 2x or 3x as tall.... It could be possible.... Especially if the rumor of the "transport" carrying a unit of Ogryns....

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 Kosake wrote:
Uh, okay. Isn't there allready a superheavy transport, the crassus?

Otherwise, sounds like stuff at least some people wanted. That Veteran/Storm Trooper kit was asked for I believe

LOL, you gave me a flashback when I posted (way back when) that GW was doing a plastic Valkyrie, when FW had a resin one, and everyone said the same thing "But FW already has one..."...

Anyways, what of the new guard codex portion of the rumors? anything?

Well, they've stopped porting FW stuff directly into Codices, so anything new will be actually new. So not a gorgon or crassus, but something different.

Of course, the FW transports are all superheavies, and this sounds more like a 4HP Landraider/Battlewagon equivalent. Dont' forget, BWs can carry 20 models, meaning they could haul 10 ogryn.

I think a Leviathan might be a bit big for a vehicle rumored to hold a squad of Ogryn. The rumor says "roughly Land Raider sized" not the size of a castle on a Baneblade. I personally don't think I want a big transport for my IG like that, but eh, it's only a rumor at this point.

 Polonius wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 Kosake wrote:
Uh, okay. Isn't there allready a superheavy transport, the crassus?

Otherwise, sounds like stuff at least some people wanted. That Veteran/Storm Trooper kit was asked for I believe

LOL, you gave me a flashback when I posted (way back when) that GW was doing a plastic Valkyrie, when FW had a resin one, and everyone said the same thing "But FW already has one..."...

Anyways, what of the new guard codex portion of the rumors? anything?

Well, they've stopped porting FW stuff directly into Codices, so anything new will be actually new. So not a gorgon or crassus, but something different.

Of course, the FW transports are all superheavies, and this sounds more like a 4HP Landraider/Battlewagon equivalent. Dont' forget, BWs can carry 20 models, meaning they could haul 10 ogryn.

A "new" model called Corgon or Grassus then!

Of course there superheavies *cough, knights* and GW wouldn't release * cough, knights* a model with HPs into a normal *cough, knights* game...

The leviathan was just a joke on my part, but it would be hilarious if GW puts out a Leviathan and tries to claim the name to stick it to Dreamforge Games with their Leviathans I'm sure GW legal is advising to procede with the plan

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 Polonius wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 Kosake wrote:
Uh, okay. Isn't there allready a superheavy transport, the crassus?

Otherwise, sounds like stuff at least some people wanted. That Veteran/Storm Trooper kit was asked for I believe

LOL, you gave me a flashback when I posted (way back when) that GW was doing a plastic Valkyrie, when FW had a resin one, and everyone said the same thing "But FW already has one..."...

Anyways, what of the new guard codex portion of the rumors? anything?

Well, they've stopped porting FW stuff directly into Codices, so anything new will be actually new. So not a gorgon or crassus, but something different.

Of course, the FW transports are all superheavies, and this sounds more like a 4HP Landraider/Battlewagon equivalent. Dont' forget, BWs can carry 20 models, meaning they could haul 10 ogryn.

A "new" model called Corgon or Grassus then!

Of course there superheavies *cough, knights* and GW wouldn't release * cough, knights* a model with HPs into a normal *cough, knights* game...

True. Are knights full on superheavies? I wasn't sure.

Still though, a heavy transport (battlewagon/Landraider class) is one of the few in theme niches that the IG are missing. Stuff like hard infantry, good assault units, jump packs, bikes/jetbikes, and MCs are all way out of theme, IMO. Wait, Grey Knights have an MC while Eldar have one of the toughest units in the game? Excuse me while I cry a bit...

Anyway, I'm back! I love the idea of a ~120pt, AV13/12/10 HP4 open topped transport.

All these people just saying Crassus.

It's CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT, get it right!

 Platuan4th wrote:
All these people just saying Crassus.

It's CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT, get it right!

I thought it was Titan CRASSUS Titan ARMOURED Titan ASSAULT Imperial Knight Titan TRANSPORT.....

It's also "knight titan" get it right people.

I was thinking Battlewagon too. If you're going to give the Imperial Guard a new chassis, an armoured truck might offer more than another intermediate tank chassis.

 HisDivineShadow wrote:
It's also "knight titan" get it right people.

If there is such a vehicle of that size released... you'll see me stocking up on Dreamforge APCs, then. Some people, including me, held back on those because they will end up being roughly Land Raider sized.

I just find it a bit sad that it seems like the grunt is being more and more pushed aside in 40K. They're almost a tax you have to pay to put everything else that is fething huge on the table.

 Brother SRM wrote:

 bubber wrote:
Just checked the GW website for any clues. The only things missing are rough riders but these might have been dropped ages ago as they didn't fit any of the other regiments stocked / modelled.

I just want more vehicles & Cadians on quad bikes.
That regiment that uses giant turkeys as mounts in one of the GG novels would also be very cool.

Chocobo riders!?

No, not Chocobos - I meant Struthids freatured in Guant's Ghosts novel Straight Silver on Aexe Cardinale.
(This is one of my favourites although the incident in the Montorq forest was upsetting.)
They're more like elephant birds, ostriches and the moa birds with a psychic link to the rider.

The question I have is if the Hydra is going to be dropped from the Codex. Granted, since it was nerfed pretty hard when 6th dropped, I don't see this as being that big of a deal. There's also the different artillery variants to be considered, as well as the Valkyrie kit having the Vendetta parts being included. These are the things that we are not really hearing anything about. IG has probably the largest number of Codex entries without models (from GW proper that is, not FW) out of any Codex.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I just find it a bit sad that it seems like the grunt is being more and more pushed aside in 40K. They're almost a tax you have to pay to put everything else that is fething huge on the table.

While I would generally agree with you regarding the overall state of the game, if this giant IG transport rumor is true, wouldn't that be putting grunts back into focus? Being able to move platoon sized Guard units may mean platoons make a bigger come back in army lists.

As mentioned before, there are a couple of big transport options in Apocalypse & Escalation already - maybe they'll just move these in to the regular codex. As the IK can be taken in regular games the precedent has been set.

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I just find it a bit sad that it seems like the grunt is being more and more pushed aside in 40K. They're almost a tax you have to pay to put everything else that is fething huge on the table.

While I would generally agree with you regarding the overall state of the game, if this giant IG transport rumor is true, wouldn't that be putting grunts back into focus? Being able to move platoon sized Guard units may mean platoons make a bigger come back in army lists.

It would, but it seems much more likely that it will synergize with the rumoured Ogryns/Bullgryns, especially if it has an assault ramp of some sort. I can hardly see myself assaulting with a squad of *gasp* guardsmen. Even if they all had 2 CCW. And will the large capacity address the limitations in regular 40K of only a single unit per transport? If not you have to use either said 'gryns or combined squads to make it worth your while.

Its heavy and land raider sized. That would seem to make it smaller than a Crassus or Gorgon... If I'm not mistaken. If it's a super heavy maybe so should a land raider as well as some other vehicles.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I just find it a bit sad that it seems like the grunt is being more and more pushed aside in 40K. They're almost a tax you have to pay to put everything else that is fething huge on the table.

While I would generally agree with you regarding the overall state of the game, if this giant IG transport rumor is true, wouldn't that be putting grunts back into focus? Being able to move platoon sized Guard units may mean platoons make a bigger come back in army lists.

It would, but it seems much more likely that it will synergize with the rumoured Ogryns/Bullgryns, especially if it has an assault ramp of some sort. I can hardly see myself assaulting with a squad of *gasp* guardsmen. Even if they all had 2 CCW. And will the large capacity address the limitations in regular 40K of only a single unit per transport? If not you have to use either said 'gryns or combined squads to make it worth your while.

No doubt this rumor raises more questions than it answers, but if the transport can move platoons, then I could see myself using it quite often. Moving a platoon quickly and safely up the table would be wonderful for objective games.

Nice to see some solid looking Rumors. I'm looking foward to see the new storm troopers.
Fingers crossed...

 aka_mythos wrote:
Its heavy and land raider sized. That would seem to make it smaller than a Crassus or Gorgon... If I'm not mistaken. If it's a super heavy maybe so should a land raider as well as some other vehicles.

Big tank doesn't mean super heavy. I doubt they will make it a SH. Just a tank the size of a LR. All though I doubt the rumor is true.

 dakkajet wrote:
Nice to see some solid looking Rumors. I'm looking foward to see the new storm troopers.
Fingers crossed...

Where did you see solid rumors?

Stop holding out on us!

Oh Larry!

 Davespil wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:
Its heavy and land raider sized. That would seem to make it smaller than a Crassus or Gorgon... If I'm not mistaken. If it's a super heavy maybe so should a land raider as well as some other vehicles.

Big tank doesn't mean super heavy. I doubt they will make it a SH. Just a tank the size of a LR. All though I doubt the rumor is true.

Agreed... I had originally written something to that effect but deleted it by accident.

I think a lot of people are saying superheavy just because of Knights... But it isn't necessarily the case.

One rumor said Ogryn might be going to the larger centurion base size... This thing is suppose to hold a full squad of them. How many standard guardsmen that ends up being will be interesting to see.

If this is true it's atleast an interesting way to try to reduce chimera spamming.

 TalonZahn wrote:

 dakkajet wrote:
Nice to see some solid looking Rumors. I'm looking foward to see the new storm troopers.
Fingers crossed...

Where did you see solid rumors?

Stop holding out on us!

I meant that we haven't had anything "big" rumor wise in a few months.

I just hope they don't drop the Rough Riders.

If Forge World is still selling their Death Riders, I think Rough Riders are (sadly) still okay.

Just hope they don't hamfist it into being Cadians with fur hats riding horses or other such nonsense like motorbikes with lances. Make a proper feral looking "regiment" with lots of trophies and adornments and genetically modified Imperial Horses.

I'm hoping we'll get some kind of FOC altering characters and Stormtroopers not being sucky anymore. I would love to have a reason to break my 50 Kasrkin out of their drawer and get them all assembled, cleaned, and painted.

But why everyone is going with the Crassus, which has a rear ramp so no assault vehicle at all, when we have the way better Gorgon? =)
http://1d4chan.org/images/thumb/f/fa/GorgonPartybus.jpg/400px-GorgonPartybus.jpg

Nothing about these rumours are getting me excited.

Vintersorg wrote:
But why everyone is going with the Crassus, which has a rear ramp so no assault vehicle at all, when we have the way better Gorgon? =)
http://1d4chan.org/images/thumb/f/fa/GorgonPartybus.jpg/400px-GorgonPartybus.jpg

Because this is Dakka and the CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT is a Dakka meme staple.

Vintersorg wrote:
But why everyone is going with the Crassus, which has a rear ramp so no assault vehicle at all, when we have the way better Gorgon? =)

Probably because people realize that the Gorgon is very much a "specialist" vehicle while the Crassus is more of an "all-purpose" vehicle.

 dakkajet wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:

 dakkajet wrote:
Nice to see some solid looking Rumors. I'm looking foward to see the new storm troopers.
Fingers crossed...

Where did you see solid rumors?

Stop holding out on us!

I meant that we haven't had anything "big" rumor wise in a few months.

And TalonZahn means that listening to anything Larry Vela says is the same as asking your local psychic hobo about the next 40k release, or perhaps slightly worse.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 dakkajet wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:

 dakkajet wrote:
Nice to see some solid looking Rumors. I'm looking foward to see the new storm troopers.
Fingers crossed...

Where did you see solid rumors?

Stop holding out on us!

I meant that we haven't had anything "big" rumor wise in a few months.

And TalonZahn means that listening to anything Larry Vela says is the same as asking your local psychic hobo about the next 40k release, or perhaps slightly worse.

I asked my local psychic hobo what was coming next for 40K. He said "Plastic Thunder*hurk*" and ranted about the government chip in his teeth then vomited all over my shoes.

 Theophony wrote:
The leviathan was just a joke on my part, but it would be hilarious if GW puts out a Leviathan and tries to claim the name to stick it to Dreamforge Games with their Leviathans I'm sure GW legal is advising to procede with the plan

Except that, you know, 40k has had Leviathans since epic.

GW can't claim the name Leviathan.

I wonder if all these large kits really means that EPIC isn't coming back. Which is a shame as those fan made 30K HH EPIC tanks were amazing and I'd happily jump on the Heresy bandwagon in that scale.

Sorry in advance

A Leviathan Model for the Ned Codex eould be...Epic

 Platuan4th wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 dakkajet wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:

 dakkajet wrote:
Nice to see some solid looking Rumors. I'm looking foward to see the new storm troopers.
Fingers crossed...

Where did you see solid rumors?

Stop holding out on us!

I meant that we haven't had anything "big" rumor wise in a few months.

And TalonZahn means that listening to anything Larry Vela says is the same as asking your local psychic hobo about the next 40k release, or perhaps slightly worse.

I asked my local psychic hobo what was coming next for 40K. He said "Plastic Thunder*hurk*" and ranted about the government chip in his teeth then vomited all over my shoes.

Still not fundamentally worse than Larry Vela.

 Kanluwen wrote:
If Forge World is still selling their Death Riders, I think Rough Riders are (sadly) still okay.

Just hope they don't hamfist it into being Cadians with fur hats riding horses or other such nonsense like motorbikes with lances. Make a proper feral looking "regiment" with lots of trophies and adornments and genetically modified Imperial Horses.

I'm hoping we'll get some kind of FOC altering characters and Stormtroopers not being sucky anymore. I would love to have a reason to break my 50 Kasrkin out of their drawer and get them all assembled, cleaned, and painted.

I just assembled my Praetorians riding cold one mounts and i hope nothing happens to them. My personal hope is that they fall in line with death riders and have at LEAST a 4+ armor or maybe 2W (i could care less about the FnP) That would double their life expectancy and make it so they could put those I5 lances to good use

Larry Vela had a bad source the last few months. Doesn't mean he always had bad sources or will always have. We will see.

Hoping for a plastic Thunderbolt. If they bring out a plastic Thunderbolt, I'm buying 3, lol.

Well if the new vets turn. Out to be true I can see my umbrage slip going very soon...

5 kits in three weeks seems a bit excessive.Hope it's true though.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Larry Vela had a bad source the last few months. Doesn't mean he always had bad sources or will always have. We will see.

Well, I've been on Dakka, B&C, Warseer, and BoLs lurking and/or registered for a loooooong time.

I can tell you this, BoLs is just a very loud repeater of the other 3 the majority of the time, and quite often doesn't give credit either.

I would rate them slightly higher than naftka.

Basically, grab some stuff from around the web, toss in some wild stuff, and see what sticks.

 Kanluwen wrote:
If Forge World is still selling their Death Riders, I think Rough Riders are (sadly) still okay.

Just hope they don't hamfist it into being Cadians with fur hats riding horses or other such nonsense like motorbikes with lances. Make a proper feral looking "regiment" with lots of trophies and adornments and genetically modified Imperial Horses.

I'm hoping we'll get some kind of FOC altering characters and Stormtroopers not being sucky anymore. I would love to have a reason to break my 50 Kasrkin out of their drawer and get them all assembled, cleaned, and painted.

Didn't forgeworld keep selling alternate griffon kits while the original was completely removed from the IG codex? And that was as modern a vehicle kit as there was in the IG lineup at that time being sold right up until being disowned instead of the 20 year old never been updated and completely out of date Attilan sculpt that has been completely removed from sale on the GW site for who knows how long. I don't have any "insider" knowledge but the removal of the models from the store coupled with GW's recent habit of removing codex entries without models to sell (see the GW codex) doesn't bode well. I do hope they stay and in fact get new models like Cadians on dirtbikes (no lances though) but I wouldn't invest any money into converting them or buying up old rough riders until we see that they're safe for another 4 years or so.

The problem with the Griffon is that it had been discontinued for some time from GW at that point in time. It was a plastic/metal hybrid and was built for the "old" pattern Chimera/Basilisk kit.

Both of those kits got kind of/sort of redesigned.

I really do not understand the fascination with Rough Riders personally. Sentinels should be the de facto Guard fast attack/"cavalry" option, not guys on horses or dirtbikes.

I think you've got the timing mixed up there IIRC. The griffon was removed from the PREVIOUS Imperial Guard codex (the 3.5 one post 13th crusade) whereas the basilisk/chimera redesign was done for the current codex several years later. If I'm right, you've reversed the cause and effect.

I think rough riders could be cool, but Id want them to ride some kind of alien beast, not horses. Still, I think that a cavalry unit whch much more fit the kroot than the Imeria..... err, Astra militaris

 Kanluwen wrote:

I really do not understand the fascination with Rough Riders personally. Sentinels should be the de facto Guard fast attack/"cavalry" option, not guys on horses or dirtbikes.

You're welcome to not include them in your army, Kan. You're most unwelcome in calling for their removal.

Cavalry in space is all part of the old-is-new grandeur of 40k.

 streetsamurai wrote:
I think rough riders could be cool, but Id want them to ride some kind of alien beast, not horses. Still, I think that a cavalry unit whch much more fit the kroot than the Imeria..... err, Astra militaris

Forge World has Tallam rough riders on mukali steeds if you're interested. They aren't very horse-like at all.

 warboss wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
If Forge World is still selling their Death Riders, I think Rough Riders are (sadly) still okay.

Just hope they don't hamfist it into being Cadians with fur hats riding horses or other such nonsense like motorbikes with lances. Make a proper feral looking "regiment" with lots of trophies and adornments and genetically modified Imperial Horses.

I'm hoping we'll get some kind of FOC altering characters and Stormtroopers not being sucky anymore. I would love to have a reason to break my 50 Kasrkin out of their drawer and get them all assembled, cleaned, and painted.

Didn't forgeworld keep selling alternate griffon kits while the original was completely removed from the IG codex? And that was as modern a vehicle kit as there was in the IG lineup at that time being sold right up until being disowned instead of the 20 year old never been updated and completely out of date Attilan sculpt that has been completely removed from sale on the GW site for who knows how long. I don't have any "insider" knowledge but the removal of the models from the store coupled with GW's recent habit of removing codex entries without models to sell (see the GW codex) doesn't bode well. I do hope they stay and in fact get new models like Cadians on dirtbikes (no lances though) but I wouldn't invest any money into converting them or buying up old rough riders until we see that they're safe for another 4 years or so.

I not knocking you in particular, but everyone is saying things like "recent habit of removing codex entries" when it's only happened in the last one and for a very specific (and obnoxious) legal reason. I think Rough Riders might stick around, they have a certain mystique, have been around for a while, plus death riders are pretty popular too. But if it does happen, ill just use my rough riders by allying in Death Korps since theirs are better anyways

TiamatRoar wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
I think rough riders could be cool, but Id want them to ride some kind of alien beast, not horses. Still, I think that a cavalry unit whch much more fit the kroot than the Imeria..... err, Astra militaris

Forge World has Tallam rough riders on mukali steeds if you're interested. They aren't very horse-like at all.

Already saw them, but unfotunately, they kind of have a star wars vibe (which is not a good thing)

warboss wrote:I think you've got the timing mixed up there IIRC. The griffon was removed from the PREVIOUS Imperial Guard codex (the 3.5 one post 13th crusade) whereas the basilisk/chimera redesign was done for the current codex several years later. If I'm right, you've reversed the cause and effect.

The Griffon was still available at the time as a model kit, and as part of Chapter Approved and Forge World.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

I really do not understand the fascination with Rough Riders personally. Sentinels should be the de facto Guard fast attack/"cavalry" option, not guys on horses or dirtbikes.

You're welcome to not include them in your army, Kan. You're most unwelcome in calling for their removal.

Cavalry in space is all part of the old-is-new grandeur of 40k.

Edit note: I've edited my response to read as less confrontational and to better explain my own thoughts on the subject of Rough Riders.

I, personally, would rather see Rough Riders removed than continued in their current format. I just do not see them as being interesting or particularly 40k.
If they were made into a unit that utilized xenos mounts or things like the Death Korps' genetically modified "predator horses", I would find them far more in keeping with the feel of 40k. As it stands now with them just being "guys with pointy hats, power lances, and horses" they feel too much like a relic of the olden days.

If we were to see a Rough Rider redesign, I would love to see them made in the image of a feral regiment with a few 'standard issue' Guard armor plates interspersed with chainmail and tribal designs and a secondary build for the unit not unlike the Vostroyan designs.

 Kanluwen wrote:

warboss wrote:I think you've got the timing mixed up there IIRC. The griffon was removed from the PREVIOUS Imperial Guard codex (the 3.5 one post 13th crusade) whereas the basilisk/chimera redesign was done for the current codex several years later. If I'm right, you've reversed the cause and effect.

The Griffon was still available at the time as a model kit, and as part of Chapter Approved and Forge World.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

I really do not understand the fascination with Rough Riders personally. Sentinels should be the de facto Guard fast attack/"cavalry" option, not guys on horses or dirtbikes.

You're welcome to not include them in your army, Kan. You're most unwelcome in calling for their removal.

Cavalry in space is all part of the old-is-new grandeur of 40k.

You know that whole thing about "opinions"?


You're more than welcome to think they're "part of the old-is-new grandeur of 40k". I'm more than welcome to think they're a relic of when 40k was essentially "Fantasy in Spaaace!".
As it stands, Rough Riders are just bloat on the Codex. They're a sliver stuck in the buttocks of the Guard Codex that the developers keep continuing to shovel in to meet some perceived notion that they have to be there.

It would be far more interesting if they want to continue keeping these older units in there to actually build upon them, to make them unique and to bring them more into line with 40k as it is now rather than 40k as it was then.
The same thing, in my opinion, goes for Ogryn and Ratlings but at least Ogryn are purportedly getting expanded upon a bit more.

I do know that none of this has a damn bit to do with NEWS or RUMORS. Go to Tactics to hash out how good the Rough Riders and Giffons are or aren't. Please.

 TalonZahn wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
Larry Vela had a bad source the last few months. Doesn't mean he always had bad sources or will always have. We will see.

Well, I've been on Dakka, B&C, Warseer, and BoLs lurking and/or registered for a loooooong time.

I can tell you this, BoLs is just a very loud repeater of the other 3 the majority of the time, and quite often doesn't give credit either.

I would rate them slightly higher than naftka.

Basically, grab some stuff from around the web, toss in some wild stuff, and see what sticks.

Larry Vela aka Big Red - Total rumors: (93 TRUE) / (101 FALSE) / (8 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)

Considering the rapid drop off in accuracy, my call would be he had a solid info source, which has itself been compromised, or his relationship has been compromised, but rather than bow out of rumourmongering, has continued with pile on rumours, educated guesswork and the odd hit and hope just because he likes whatever buzz he gets off "breaking" this news.

Course, that's just one way of spinning it, it might be that the Nids were his version of the morning after a bad fish taco, and he'll get back on track with this. Maybe.

I would say the dropoff he's had is because the primary, and usually very accurate, sources from Warseer are no longer around.

We digress though.

I like the thought of a new tank vehicle for IG, but it will have to be pretty sweet to stand up alongside the many impressive FW tanks. With the recent cost of large kits from GW though, at this point I would just rather get FW stuff.

I was excited for the IK, but after the price was out, I decided I'd rather just get more FW stuff and get an IK whenever I get around to it.

I image the same will be true with this rumored kit.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
You're most unwelcome in calling for their removal.

Nope. The Kan has spoken. We're not allowed to have Rough Riders, just like when he said we shouldn't get a AdMech army either.

His word is law and lore.

 Kanluwen wrote:
If Forge World is still selling their Death Riders, I think Rough Riders are (sadly) still okay.

You mean like how FW still sells 2 Slaaneshi weapons for Chaos Dreads which are not options on the 'Hellbrute'?

Guessing the IG release is remarkably easy. There's so many kits which simply don't exist for the rules printed in the current book, and while GW has shown willingness to drop things they don't produce, such as the mycetic spore and Doom, they'd have to drop half the IG to do the same here.

I'd say rough-rider and ratlings are the most likely to get dropped; ratlings being the most likely. These are really anachronistic units, and while fun, the models haven't been updated in an age. Ratlings have a sort-of recent metal model, but all the rumours are saying metal is on the way out, pronto, so I'd imagine the copious amount of metal in the IG line will either be replaced or nixed.

Stormtroopers are pretty much guaranteed; it'd be like dropping Space Marine veterans, and a dual veteran kit makes sense, with the commensurate cost. We'll probably get two vehicle releases; the plastic Hydra is much bemoaned, and while it's in sufficient demand that GW might opt not to release it (given their logic) and do something unneccessary and unwanted instead, same with the artillery.

However, both of those two things are pretty key to the Imperial Guard, especially with the current nature of the game, so I'd give solid odds for an artillery and hydra multikit, guaranteed if we were talking about anyone but GW, but you know, they're special.

We'll likely also see some plastic characters. If we were only to get one, I'd say a Commissar is the most likely; only the Lord is in finecast, the rest in metal, and they're a crucial part of the IG aesthetic and rules, always have been. A plastic special character might not be unrealistic, given the Dwarf release, and the metal nature of most IG characters. The rest, I'd imagine, won't exist anymore.

After that, it's anyone's guess really. There's always something genuinely new, and I'm hopeful for a big tank; I'm sick of the walkers, and the IG don't suit walkers at all beyond the sentinel. They're kind of the premier tank army, why not give the players something they'll enjoy? Somewhere along the lines of a Macharius or Malcador. Or just port one of those into plastic, and stop treating FW's backlog of models as sacrosanct, give them more room to produce new stuff, and convert their popular older models into plastic.

 MajorStoffer wrote:
Guessing the IG release is remarkably easy. There's so many kits which simply don't exist for the rules printed in the current book, and while GW has shown willingness to drop things they don't produce, such as the mycetic spore and Doom, they'd have to drop half the IG to do the same here.

I'd say rough-rider and ratlings are the most likely to get dropped; ratlings being the most likely. These are really anachronistic units, and while fun, the models haven't been updated in an age. Ratlings have a sort-of recent metal model, but all the rumours are saying metal is on the way out, pronto, so I'd imagine the copious amount of metal in the IG line will either be replaced or nixed.

We'll likely also see some plastic characters. If we were only to get one, I'd say a Commissar is the most likely; only the Lord is in finecast, the rest in metal, and they're a crucial part of the IG aesthetic and rules, always have been. A plastic special character might not be unrealistic, given the Dwarf release, and the metal nature of most IG characters. The rest, I'd imagine, won't exist anymore.

See, I think Ratlings will survive. They are a unit that adds flavor to IG and their models are not bad looking at all. Seem like an easy move to finecast.

I doubt that IG will lose characters. All of their characters are in resin or will be possible to make out of the ogryn. GW has not dropped a SC yet, so I think the odds of IG losing one are pretty low.

I would pay good money for a Sentinel with AA capabilities.

 Happygrunt wrote:


I doubt that IG will lose characters. All of their characters are in resin or will be possible to make out of the ogryn. GW has not dropped a SC yet, so I think the odds of IG losing one are pretty low.

Schaeffer. Last Chancers.

Remember Gaunt too.

And Lord Solar Macharius.

 bubber wrote:
Remember Gaunt too.

i just checked over their stats, guant was just a super commisar that wasnt as cool as Yarrick and Schaeffer was only special in that he had a special squad set up to bring, I'd venture to say their loss was to remove excess that did not add anything to the game beyond being a named character.

HisDivineShadow wrote:

 Happygrunt wrote:


I doubt that IG will lose characters. All of their characters are in resin or will be possible to make out of the ogryn. GW has not dropped a SC yet, so I think the odds of IG losing one are pretty low.

Schaeffer. Last Chancers.

bubber wrote:Remember Gaunt too.

MrFlutterPie wrote:And Lord Solar Macharius.

Yes, and those were all gone pre-5th ed. I cant think of a codex losing a SC since the 5th ed guard book.

 Happygrunt wrote:

Yes, and those were all gone pre-5th ed. I cant think of a codex losing a SC since the 5th ed guard book.

Didn't nids lose all the specials that didn't have models like Doom just a few months ago in 6th? I don't have the codex but I do recall people mentioning something about that.

 warboss wrote:

 Happygrunt wrote:

Yes, and those were all gone pre-5th ed. I cant think of a codex losing a SC since the 5th ed guard book.

Didn't nids lose all the specials that didn't have models like Doom just a few months ago in 6th? I don't have the codex but I do recall people mentioning something about that.

Actually, thats a good point. However, Doom and co. didn't have models, while all the major IG characters do. (Bastone being the only exception?)

 Happygrunt wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 Happygrunt wrote:

Yes, and those were all gone pre-5th ed. I cant think of a codex losing a SC since the 5th ed guard book.

Didn't nids lose all the specials that didn't have models like Doom just a few months ago in 6th? I don't have the codex but I do recall people mentioning something about that.

Actually, thats a good point. However, Doom and co. didn't have models, while all the major IG characters do. (Bastone being the only exception?)

I hope Bastonne gets a full rules rewrite or they trash him completely, hes got great fluff but he is terrible

 generalchaos34 wrote:

 Happygrunt wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 Happygrunt wrote:

Yes, and those were all gone pre-5th ed. I cant think of a codex losing a SC since the 5th ed guard book.

Didn't nids lose all the specials that didn't have models like Doom just a few months ago in 6th? I don't have the codex but I do recall people mentioning something about that.

Actually, thats a good point. However, Doom and co. didn't have models, while all the major IG characters do. (Bastone being the only exception?)

I hope Bastonne gets a full rules rewrite or they trash him completely, hes got great fluff but he is terrible

Not terrible, just expensive as hell. Not amount you would pay for his small bonuses.

 generalchaos34 wrote:

 Happygrunt wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 Happygrunt wrote:

Yes, and those were all gone pre-5th ed. I cant think of a codex losing a SC since the 5th ed guard book.

Didn't nids lose all the specials that didn't have models like Doom just a few months ago in 6th? I don't have the codex but I do recall people mentioning something about that.

Actually, thats a good point. However, Doom and co. didn't have models, while all the major IG characters do. (Bastone being the only exception?)

I hope Bastonne gets a full rules rewrite or they trash him completely, hes got great fluff but he is terrible

If it is a Stormtrooper/Vet box, they could include parts for Bastonne in that box and boom, he has a model.

5 Kits for Guard over 3 week is plausable, given that this month we have 2, maybe 3 kits so far. Room in the production line for more guard kits.

Stormtroopers are pretty much a given. Hopefully 10 models for $40 or $50, and not a 5 pack.
Ogryn also make sense, as they are huge models that would work on 50mm bases as a 3 pack.
Large transport would be handy for guard, as a land raider analogue. Maybe a 4-5 hull point unit that can carry 20-25 models? CRASSUS ARMORED ASSAULT TRANSPORT, Stormlord, and Gorgon are all superheavies, so this would be something in between.


As for the other two kits- If the first three are inantry, heavy infantry, and a big centerpiece tank, then the latter two could be fill in kits- Hydra(+Alternate model) and Artillery kit to make the Basilisk, Medusa, and Colossus seem logical. Alternatively, that kit number may include plastic character clampacks.

With new Stormtroopers... I hope for somethis awesome as is Kasrkin models. I love those.

And for rumored big transport...pleaaaase...CRASSUS ARMORED TRANSPORT! It would support GW decision to get superheavies into common WH40K and has none provoking D weapon = win win for everybody.

 Happygrunt wrote:
Yes, and those were all gone pre-5th ed. I cant think of a codex losing a SC since the 5th ed guard book.

Cool, but that's not what you said originally. You said:

"I doubt that IG will lose characters... GW has not dropped a SC yet, so I think the odds of IG losing one are pretty low."

And then you were given three examples of them dropping characters.

So GW has done it in the past, and done it in the present.

 Happygrunt wrote:
Actually, thats a good point. However, Doom and co. didn't have models, while all the major IG characters do. (Bastone being the only exception?)

Shaeffer, Gaunt and Macharius all had models. Still dropped.

I'm just curious... how long has it been since GW introduced a new Troops choice, aside from Cultists in CSM? All other infantry new releases have been in other slots, no?

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I'm just curious... how long has it been since GW introduced a new Troops choice, aside from Cultists in CSM? All other infantry new releases have been in other slots, no?

Technically the Dark Angels book had a "new Troops" choice, as prior to that Scouts had been an "Elite" choice instead--having gone to "Elite" from the "Troops" slot of the mini-dex prior.

Do guard really need another troops choice though?

I would really love to see a box set with all the lovely Malcador variants in it as the BB set already contains transport capacity.
(I reckon the BB variants will be added to the Codex).
I think I'm going to be disappointed though :(

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I'm just curious... how long has it been since GW introduced a new Troops choice, aside from Cultists in CSM? All other infantry new releases have been in other slots, no?

Technically the Dark Angels book had a "new Troops" choice, as prior to that Scouts had been an "Elite" choice instead--having gone to "Elite" from the "Troops" slot of the mini-dex prior.

Yeah most new troops are justFOC shifts. Cultists are the first new troops choice that is also a new unit(well, returned unit) since IG penal legion.

 bubber wrote:
Do guard really need another troops choice though?

As it stands now, the Troops choices are all basically the same. They're Guardsmen.

That might seem a bit silly, but look at how most armies have their Troops choices organized. They have a "heavy hitter" Troop choice which is more expensive but has better options and a "rank filler" Troop choice which is cheaper to field en masse, but with lower armor saves and potentially worse weapons.

It would be nice to see Grenadiers get a proper return, with Hellguns and Carapace Armor rather than just "Oh look, you have carapace armor and a lasgun or shotgun! Grenadier!".

 Kroothawk wrote:

Larry Vela on BOLS wrote:Imperial Guard will take up a 3 week release slot.

- Week one is up for preorder with the March 22nd White Dwarf.
- Breakdown is as follows:

Week 1: 3 kits, including the Ogryns plastic combo-kit and 2 others.
Week 2: Codex
Week 3: 2 kits

Larry Vela on BOLS wrote:Imperial Guard will take up a 3 week release slot.

- Week one is up for preorder with the March 22nd White Dwarf.

Week 1: three kits:

- Ogryns/Bullgryns plastic combo-kit (one unit with ranged weapons, the other with giant shields and close combat weapons)
- Stormtroopers/Veterans combo-kit
- Unseen "Big transport" kit.

This new vehicle is said to be able to move entire squads of Ogryns and other stuff (so apparently more transport space than the Chimera). This kit is said to be roughly Land Raider sized. Previous "big tank" chatter over a month ago has also described it as being influenced by the Forgeworld Malcador's design.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2014/03/40k-rumors-imperial-guard-week-1-minis.html

1. Is the 'Big Transport' land based or airbourne unit meow~?
2. Is it confirmed that there will be no more 'enclosed cab sentinels' ? meow~?

 Lone Cat wrote:

1. Is the 'Big Transport' land based or airbourne unit meow~?
2. Is it confirmed that there will be no more 'enclosed cab sentinels' ? meow~?

1. Rumor has it as a tank larger than a Land Raider. The post you quoted mentioned it as a "large tank" unit.
2. Purely rumor and speculation, nobody knows for sure.
Also stop saying meow at the end of your posts. It's not a cute gimmick.

From warseer for your enjoyment...

http://s653.photobucket.com/user/Steed_85/media/FB_20140308_14_10_58_Saved_Picture_zps6c3929dc.jpg.html

Seems like imperial guard will be split into

"Astra Militarium" imperial guard

and "Militarum Tempestus." which is some sort of stormtrooper army

A stormtrooper army? Hmmmm...interesting.

What in the sweet hell is that warthog looking school bus?

I hope it comes with a rule for Super Heavy Tank Walker.

The "Scions" box looks interesting though.

[Edit] Yea, I'm going to buy one of those things, paint it pink, put some pipe cleaner on the back, and call it Bacon Box.

All I can hear now is Mac from bluestone 42 saying "wtf is this??" In my head every time I look at that thing...

CODEX STORM TROOPERS HOOOOOOOOOOORAY.

With that out of the way...
That's definitely interesting. Might be the first "minidex" I ever buy.
The Scions don't look bad, but I'll have to wait and see if they match or exceed my Kasrkin.

The Taurox is...questionable. It looks like an old GI Joe toy. I think it was the Cobra "Hiss" tank or something?

Well I'm sure something will change to make me regret saying this, but I don't see me getting that transport if that's the new big IG vehicle.
Looks like a big block with tracks. Not impressed at this point.

If that is correct I'll be picking up something else to count as the transport. Looks like a poor quality ork conversion of a kids toy.

The Taurox looks like gak. Is that seriously the best design they could come up with?

The Stormtroopers are another of those 21 pounds for 5 kits.

Rehosted for your viewing pleasure.

Tempestus is listed as online only, so supplement rather than out and out book by the looks.

That vehicle looks absolutely crap. Can't pick out the details on the storm troopers enough to form an opinion, name is gash though.

That tank truck thing.. No, just no.

So are we getting a new guard codex or is it just a storm trooper codex?

Allow me to be the first to point out that "what a load of crap" is the usual response to early, low quality leak pics.

That said, the Tonka toy looks like its got a long way to go to redeem itself.

The Magic school bus for .... Imperial guard I like it....

 gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:
So are we getting a new guard codex or is it just a storm trooper codex?

As the Taurox is listed as two versions, one of which is for Astra Militarium, the apparent new name for IG, it is fair to assume, yes.

 gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:
So are we getting a new guard codex or is it just a storm trooper codex?

Looks like both, at 2x the price! If it's just Storm troopers, they've always been a part of the regular IG 'dex.
But the way GW seems to be doing things, we'll probably get 1 for each, forcing/tempting us to spend more money.

That...thing...ugh. No. NoNo McNo.

I knew the Taurox rang bells...

Ladies and Gentleman, the MotU Attack Track from the 80s!!

That tank is ugly as gak. I could see that being an arbites vehicle, but a stormtrooper one? And it's also the big new IG tank? I'm already worried about this IG release.

-ugly tank
-overpriced storm troopers
-more fething ogryn

and then we get 2 more kits?
-obligatory second flyer to invalidate vendetta
-artillery kit that isn't garbage? is that too much to ask for?

Taurox.... it looks like ork players will be enjoying that more than IG players. *sigh*

And they could have just done a plastic macharius...

That thing..... reminds me of the WW1 German tank.

http://a66c7b.medialib.glogster.com/media/6f/6f8fb48bc89a32538c178cda7c7c91c01122ee980626a56d9502806fee4f23a9/krauttank-jpg.jpg

I'd prefer it to the taurox in all honesty....

Don't know what to make of that.... Taurox Thing

BUT

If you can build 1 of 2 variants with the kit hopefully there'll be an option where the tracks can be replaced with wheels, the front and rear track arrangement looks pants, but stick a pair of tyres on the front and you'd have yourself an Imperial Guard halftrack

And that's 'Guard' halftrack, I will not be using that Astra MilitaWhatever term!

That...

That... "thing" is the worst miniature GW ever come up with, not even worth on their '80 veichle design...

Blah, just blah...


Thinking it's the same company that produces the Imperial Knight....

Go figure.

What is interesting is that is features a large lion emblem, so we got that going.

 azreal13 wrote:
I knew the Taurox rang bells...

Ladies and Gentleman, the MotU Attack Track from the 80s!!

Oh my God, I forgot about that thing.

You're absolutely right about it needing to overcome huge obstacles to overcome the model though. I will be kind of irked if the Militarum Tempestus(I like this new name...so much more flashy than "Stormtroopers".) cannot use Chimeras.

Also something about the gear "design", from what I can see, on the Scions felt so familiar.

I also noticed that it doest say anything about the codex being a supplement. So are they adding another mini faction?

I'm also intrigued by the price point, can anyone else think of a vehicle that retails for (currently) £25-27? The Taurox is £29, so allowing for GW's special inflation rate, an equivalent size kit would cost somewhere in that ballpark now.




Automatically Appended Next Post:

 l0k1 wrote:
I also noticed that it doest say anything about the codex being a supplement. So are they adding another mini faction?

Nah, it's online only, which is a good guide it is a supplement. When details of "Codex: Crimson Slaughter" broke, it was called a codex, but has subsequently proven to be a supplement, no reason to think different with this.

 azreal13 wrote:
I'm also intrigued by the price point, can anyone else think of a vehicle that retails for (currently) £25-27? The Taurox is £29, so allowing for GW's special inflation rate, an equivalent size kit would cost somewhere in that ballpark now.

The USD price is $48 and the closest to that price point is the Leman Russ kits at $49.50.

Pretty sure its just going to be a stormtrooper book, i get the impression that astra militarum is going to be something else from militarum tempestus and ig

That Scion box looks amazing from what I can see.

I find it worrying that a codex supplement is supposedly getting a release before the "proper" Imperial Guard codex. Black Legion didn't get released before Codex : Chaos Space Marines, so I find this....odd.

I think the Taurox looks quite cool, though I'll need a better look to determine if it desperately needs wheels or not. It also appears to have a second variant, I wonder what that has.

But really, updated Storm Troopers and and an entirely new vehicle I imagine will be interesting to use is great for my IG and my Inqusitional detachment.

 kir44n wrote:
I find it worrying that a codex supplement is supposedly getting a release before the "proper" Imperial Guard codex. Black Legion didn't get released before Codex : Chaos Space Marines, so I find this....odd.

That's a big call to make off of an incomplete photo of one page, more likely it just isn't in shot.

I think its going to be more along the lines of a an imperial knights type codex than a codex supplement personally, though it is odd that they are releasing it online first

 kir44n wrote:
I find it worrying that a codex supplement is supposedly getting a release before the "proper" Imperial Guard codex. Black Legion didn't get released before Codex : Chaos Space Marines, so I find this....odd.

There is still a week in March that is essentially "unaccounted" for, the release week of March 14th to March 29th.

The fact that this release has Warhammer Visions on its splash page suggests this will be the first April proper releases, and will probably go up for preorder on March 28th releasing on April 5th.

For some reason the first thing I thought of when I saw it was.

"It's like a new kind of military portaloo."

 Kanluwen wrote:

 kir44n wrote:
I find it worrying that a codex supplement is supposedly getting a release before the "proper" Imperial Guard codex. Black Legion didn't get released before Codex : Chaos Space Marines, so I find this....odd.

There is still a week in March that is essentially "unaccounted" for, the release week of March 14th to March 29th.

The fact that this release has Warhammer Visions on its splash page suggests this will be the first April proper releases, and will probably go up for preorder on March 28th releasing on April 5th.

You don't need conjecture, it's spelled out at the top of the page. Pre-order on March 29th, release on April 5th.

The missing weeks I expect to be two waves of CSM or one CSM and one IG with codex.

That Taurox... thing is bad, "my first Sci-Fi vehicle" bad. For £8 more you could get the infinitely better-designed Tauros Venator from FW.

Stormtroopers look OK, but are awfully expensive. More expensive than a Grey Knight Strike Team, in fact! Pretty ludicrous.

Well, if the book and new units get me excited enough to embark on a Guard detachment for my Marines, my plan has always been to go "near future" as a theme for my regiment, and use appropriately scaled real world vehicle kits (Blackhawks as Valks/Vendettas for instance) and I always figured on using these..



As Chimeras, but I guess they've got a new slot to fit. I mention this now, because I suspect, on first impressions, lots of people are going to be looking for alternate kits if the rules are decent.

Idk hate to be the voice of reason but it looks like an MRAP to me, so pretty realistic. Worked on those things enough to know. I think the amount of bling in the paintjob is not helping its case.


Edit: Ninjad

Codex is online only, but hardback 72 pages?

 monkeytroll wrote:
Codex is online only, but hardback 72 pages?

It means "Direct Sales", not that it's a digital product.

 dreadnova wrote:
Idk hate to be the voice of reason but it looks like an MRAP to me, so pretty realistic. Worked on those things enough to know. I think the amount of bling in the paintjob is not helping its case.


Edit: Ninjad

That's clearly the inspiration, but track wheels and a ludicrous centre of gravity (which might be an angular thing, but it looks considerably higher than wide) just break suspension of disbelief for me.

Not prepared to condemn it yet, too soon for that, but I don't think its looking good, literally or figuratively.

IMO it doesn't fit the guard, however it may look good for an Arbites force. Like a tracked riot van. I can see that working in black and gold with a Judge Dread vibe.

Also, online only codex???? Eh? That's very very odd, unless it's online pre-order only to stop it leaking...

The other inspiration seems to be a "Snowcat" styled vehicle.

I know I am going to take flak from this but I really like the Taurox. I agree it might need some wheels either 4 of them or just the front two to make a half track but I think it looks great.

Keep in mind though that I use the IG codex as tourney legal Arbites so I am also excited for the possibility of an all stormtrooper army.

The prices on the new stormtrooper guys are pants but I use the 2ed Arbite models with a few Necromunda enforcers thrown in so I have all of my infantry

Replace one or both sets of tracks with wheels and that tank will look pretty good I think. Interested to see if the variant has wheels or 2 sets of tracks also.

Unsure about the apc. It looks like they've tried to create an Imp Guard mrap like the NATO forces use in Afghanistan.

The troopers look rather nice. Should make nice veterans.

 Steve steveson wrote:
IMO it doesn't fit the guard, however it may look good for an Arbites force. Like a tracked riot van. I can see that working in black and gold with a Judge Dread vibe.

Also, online only codex???? Eh? That's very very odd, unless it's online pre-order only to stop it leaking...

The "Collector's Edition" codices have been "online only", the Crimson Slaughter and other supplement "codices" are online only as well.

It essentially means that it's not a "regular stock" item. A shop might have them at the initial launch in small numbers, but otherwise it has to be special ordered.

 kir44n wrote:
I find it worrying that a codex supplement is supposedly getting a release before the "proper" Imperial Guard codex. Black Legion didn't get released before Codex : Chaos Space Marines, so I find this....odd.

If Stormtroopers can be taken alone, that is actually quite useful- pair the stormtrooper mini-book with Inquisition for Inquisitorial Stormtroopers. Run it with Knights as Skitarii. Run it with other Imperials as Arbites. Given the names, it will at least have stormtroopers, Stormtrooper command squads, and the Taurox.

I actually like the Taurox. It looks big, bulky, and utilitarian, and the turret on top seems to have the chem cannon off the hellhound variant. In addition to stormtroopers, it looks big enough to carry around ogryn, much better than the Chimaera.

Stormtroopers have some good variety it looks like. The cover has a sarge with ccw, 2 guys with cabled hellguns (like the Kasrkin), one with a plasma gun and one with a melta gun. Also heavy armored torsoes, and backpacks on all of them. It would have been nice for them to stay at the $25 for 5 price point as the other command squads, but at least they aren't $40 or $50 for 5.

Wow. That new vehicle is just awful. Not only is it an ugly design by itself, it doesn't fit at all with the existing IG concepts. Did GW fire all of their marginally-competent sculptors and replace them with the CEO's small children?

Eugh, what a crap vehicle.

The Taurox looks weird and kinda ugly. Guess I'll have to buy one.

I am... incredibly wary at this point. The Taurox does not look good. It lacks the strong tanklike aesthetic that's hitherto been a thread running through most of the Imperial Guard line. Instead, it's tall, boxy, with a very unique and odd suspension.

willb2064 wrote:
Replace one or both sets of tracks with wheels and that tank will look pretty good I think. Interested to see if the variant has wheels or 2 sets of tracks also.

Chapterhouse sells some really cheap wheels that are intended for use with their wheeled chimera kit. It looks like you could easily swap those out.

Ah...thanks Kan...colour me embarrased for not realising that..

 Peregrine wrote:
Wow. That new vehicle is just awful. Not only is it an ugly design by itself, it doesn't fit at all with the existing IG concepts. Did GW fire all of their marginally-competent sculptors and replace them with the CEO's small children?

It is cool if it doesn't fit the existing IG concepts because it is now the Astra Militarium . Guess' we will have a dedicated army for CoD/Battlefield players instead of an army for WW1/WW2 fans...

Also, the Taurox is a MRAP with 40k bling. I can't decide if I like it or not though .

The taurox, well I won't deny, looks pretty poor from this shot, but I'll reserve judgement for later. I can't see it uprooting the Chimera easily, which is a decent looking transport.

As for the stormtroopers, well, what I can see looks nice, not $70 for ten nice, but nice. Kind of what I expected however, thankfully I've got twenty metal stormtroopers, so if they're half decent now, and as a possible troop, I'd consider one or two boxes, if they're close enough in aesthetic to kasrkin, and spread them around for the obligatory HQ and some more special weapons.

 Peregrine wrote:
Wow. That new vehicle is just awful. Not only is it an ugly design by itself, it doesn't fit at all with the existing IG concepts. Did GW fire all of their marginally-competent sculptors and replace them with the CEO's small children?

Well, Dale Stringer and Tom Walton, collectively, did the Imp Knight, and did the Furioso Dread and DEldar Venom individually, Dave Thomas brought us... Sammael and Ratling Snipers.

I think that there are three sculptors, two of whom seem to have a track record of pretty decent looking plastic kits, one who doesn't seem to have done so much, suggests where any faux pas may originate from.

But, three sculptors? Is that usual? This is a <£30 kit, not a new Superheavy.

I'll also be curious to see how big the Taurox is. If it dwarfs the Chimera and the Russ, the entire army will have an aesthetic problem. And it well might, because that thing looks pretty high.

Can't see enough of the troopers to judge, although given my general dislike of cadians on the whole I don't expect wonders.

The Taurox is just horrible on so many levels. It comes nowhere near fitting the current IG aesthetic. All other IG tanks have single sets of treads, are generally pretty squat and have fairly harsh lines. The Taurox doesn't fit any of those.

The naming is also stupid. Astra Militarium was bad enough but Militarium Tempestus is just ridiculous. It basically translates as 'soldiers of storm', which is just beyond stupid, only a way to avoid Star Wars analogies. Also, Taurox is a stupid name, again not fitting with any of the current naming conventions.

If there are shotgun options for the the storm troopers then I can see an Arbite bus

It was said to be Land Raider sized. . Yet listed at 48 usd.... That doesn't add up. By GW standards I calculate it is scaled approx equivslent to epic scale.

 azreal13 wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:
Wow. That new vehicle is just awful. Not only is it an ugly design by itself, it doesn't fit at all with the existing IG concepts. Did GW fire all of their marginally-competent sculptors and replace them with the CEO's small children?

Well, Dale Stringer and Tom Walton, collectively, did the Imp Knight, and did the Furioso Dread and DEldar Venom individually, Dave Thomas brought us... Sammael and Ratling Snipers.

I think that there are three sculptors, two of whom seem to have a track record of pretty decent looking plastic kits, one who doesn't seem to have done so much, suggests where any faux pas may originate from.

But, three sculptors? Is that usual? This is a <£30 kit, not a new Superheavy.

sculpted like you find some vehicles for the military

nobody wins the test, but they decide to take the turret from one, body from another and suspension from the third and just bosh them together

Yeah, the name is daft as well.

Taurox... They do realise that they have an army called Tau, don't they? Also that the aforementioned Tau have a unit called a Krootox in it.

Expand your vocabulary, GW!

That... Tank... Thing.... Ugh..
Exept for that.. This realease is very interesting.

It's meant to evoke connotations of bullishness (eg Taurus) and it kind of fits with the naming convention of IG vehicles being named for mythical creatures, apart from the Taurox is one of Gw's own creation I believe?

Still, fits with don't call anything something you can't claim ownership of we are seeing recently.

I'll go out on a limb here and say that the Bang Bus might be an assault transport for the Bullgryns. Either way it looks ridiculous.

I want to see up close pics of the troopers and sprue pics as well before I can say anything about the kit.

The truck however is probably the worst looking release since the stormraven. It isn't even logical, those small sections of tracks look downright silly. It should have been a wheeled vehicle or at least a half track of some sort.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
I'll go out on a limb here and say that the Bang Bus might be an assault transport for the Bullgryns. Either way it looks ridiculous.

Maybe, but it's labeled the "Militarum Tempestus Taurox Prime/Astra Militarum Taurox".

I'm wondering if the 'Tempestus' tag suggests they're looking at different books for the military forces from different parts of the Imperium... One for each segmentum.

Eh, as far as I can tell from the blurry pics, that does not look like an Imperial vehicle. At all.

Would probably make for a decent Ork wagon though...

We need a scale comparison, I'm sure FW has a suitable replacement.

 insaniak wrote:
I'm wondering if the 'Tempestus' tag suggests they're looking at different books for the military forces from different parts of the Imperium... One for each segmentum.

Some people have interpreted as it meaning "Military Storm" aka stormtroopers

 insaniak wrote:
I'm wondering if the 'Tempestus' tag suggests they're looking at different books for the military forces from different parts of the Imperium... One for each segmentum.

I think the "soldiers of storm" translation is probably more accurate. If you call them storm troopers you can't sue anyone who tries to use the name, if you put the name into google translate and claim ownership of it your legal department will be a lot happier. And so what if it sounds stupid, BUY GW PRODUCTS.

 Paradigm wrote:
The naming is also stupid. Astra Militarium was bad enough but Militarium Tempestus is just ridiculous. It basically translates as 'soldiers of storm', which is just beyond stupid, only a way to avoid Star Wars analogies.

Isn't it likely that the name Militarium Tempestus stems from the fact that it the military force of Segmentum Tempestus? I am half expecting them to have split up the Guard into different parts for different Segmentums, or maybe some sort of seccession has happened and they are going to bring non-Imperial humans more in to the spotlight.

Edit: Actually, it makes sense that it could just be the new name for Stormtroopers. GW love messing around with their fluff and having confusing similarities.

weird,we get a leak for a release 3 weeks from now, but we have no clue what comes next week

And while the picture so far isn't a lot to go on, I'll jump on the 'actually quite like the Taurox' wagon. Sure, it's a little clunky and impractical... Which would seem to make it fit well with Ogryn

Although if this is an Ogryn transport as rumored, it's a little odd that they would release it before announcing the new Ogryn.

 Trickstick wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
The naming is also stupid. Astra Militarium was bad enough but Militarium Tempestus is just ridiculous. It basically translates as 'soldiers of storm', which is just beyond stupid, only a way to avoid Star Wars analogies.

Isn't it likely that the name Militarium Tempestus stems from the fact that it the military force of Segmentum Tempestus? I am half expecting them to have split up the Guard into different parts for different Segmentums, or maybe some sort of seccession has happened and they are going to bring non-Imperial humans more in to the spotlight.

It's possible, but I doubt it. It would require an almost-complete rework of the fluff of the IG. I'm pretty sure they're just trying to get rid of the name 'stormtroopers' to avoid any legal issues.

Storm Trooper Codex. Ace!

I also like the vehicle.

Just like to note that in the Imperial Knight Dex there is a strange looking IG vehicle with 2 missiles on it.

 Ravenous D wrote:
Just like to note that in the Imperial Knight Dex there is a strange looking IG vehicle with 2 missiles on it.

You can't just say that without providing pictures, Ravenous D!

1.) Stupid to ask the customers to learn complicated wrong Latin. Star of the Soldier-like and Weather of the Soldier-Like (tempestas=storm, tempestus=weather) are not something, you should call a common human army, esp. as the established names Imperial Guard and even Hammer of the Emperor are much better.
2.) No IG Codex in first week seems standard procedure now.
3.) A 10-man-squad of veterans goes up from 42.25$ to 70$ because of cheaper material? Impressive, most impressive. Grab the Kaskin while you still can!
4.) Tonka tank looks stupid, esp. as the turret is crashing the driver with every move. GW designers seem to know tanks only from their Toys-R-Us visits.
5.) Seems Larry Vela got half of it right: Must be shocking to some of you!

The plastic kit will have way more options than th metal cast Kasrkin - which they, by the way, aren't. They're Stormtroopers.

 thenoobbomb wrote:
The plastic kit will have way more options than th metal cast Kasrkin - which they, by the way, aren't. They're Stormtroopers.

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Kasrkin

Kasrkin are officially classified by the Departmento Munitorum as the type of Storm Troopers known as Grenadiers because of their heavy weapons and elite tactical training.

Actually, the box is Weather Boy Command

It looks like they tried to Gee dub up Mark's Eisenkern APC.

And made it ugly as hell in the process.

I'll be buying yet more Dreamforge.

If Kasrkin were going away, they'd be gone by now.

If you want your APC less orkish:

That Ork truck cannot be the new, rumoured large tank, not at that price. It is probably quite small (and I hope it is much smaller than Chimera, the aesthetics may work at that size.)

Price point is on par with a Leman Russ kit or the Manticore/Deathstrike or Basilisk kits, at least in USD.

Should give a rough guesstimate of size.

 HisDivineShadow wrote:
It looks like they tried to Gee dub up Mark's Eisenkern APC.

And made it ugly as hell in the process.

I'll be buying yet more Dreamforge.

If the rules for the Taurox (it's actually painful to type that, it's such a stupid word) are any good, and with the Knights last month, GW are basically throwing money to Dreamforge. All they'd need to do now is make carapace-armoured troops the best in the codex, giving people an excuse to use Eisenkern en masse, and they might as well cancel the entire IG line

 Paradigm wrote:
If the rules for the Taurox (it's actually painful to type that, it's such a stupid word) are any good, and with the Knights last month, GW are basically throwing money to Dreamforge. All they'd need to do now is make carapace-armoured troops the best in the codex, giving people an excuse to use Eisenkern en masse, and they might as well cancel the entire IG line

Funny thing is, Dreamforge can now call them Imperial Guard. Who will remember Astariorum Militensiatis?

Kroothawk You got my tread locked.

You are my mortal enemy now.

I hope its just an April fool

Daemonhammer wrote:
Kroothawk You got my tread locked.

You are my mortal enemy now.

It would have been locked regardless. Post news in the relevent threads to avoid locks.

Daemonhammer wrote:
Kroothawk You got my tread locked.

You are my mortal enemy now.

Oooh! Me too!

I didn't bother posting, I just reported it as a duplicate.

Always wanted an arch enemy!

Well, so far this is terrible. Ugly arse Taurox and Stormtroopers that cost more per model than the metal Kasrkin currently cost.

Plastics look an awful lot like the Kasrkin.

Zengu wrote:
That thing..... reminds me of the WW1 German tank.

http://a66c7b.medialib.glogster.com/media/6f/6f8fb48bc89a32538c178cda7c7c91c01122ee980626a56d9502806fee4f23a9/krauttank-jpg.jpg

An A7V would have been far, far better than what that...thing...looks like so far.

Well i did look for a topic with "Militarum Tempestus" and did not find one in the first page.
And i did say that i appologise if someone has posted the picture already.

 azreal13 wrote:
Well, if the book and new units get me excited enough to embark on a Guard detachment for my Marines, my plan has always been to go "near future" as a theme for my regiment, and use appropriately scaled real world vehicle kits (Blackhawks as Valks/Vendettas for instance) and I always figured on using these..

Spoiler:

As Chimeras, but I guess they've got a new slot to fit. I mention this now, because I suspect, on first impressions, lots of people are going to be looking for alternate kits if the rules are decent.

I have been pondering the DFG APC all morning, as it seems it'll be pretty big...like LR sized.

 BrookM wrote:
Plastics look an awful lot like the Kasrkin.

But more expensive! LOL

Also just realised the Codex is a full priced Codex. I thought maybe that meant it wasn't just a half arsed and/or expansion 'dex, but then I noticed that the Imperial Fists 'dex is a full priced one too, so not sure if that's significant at all.

 azreal13 wrote:


Rehosted for your viewing pleasure.

Tempestus is listed as online only, so supplement rather than out and out book by the looks.

Vehicle looks to be about the footprint of an ork truck, only far higher and enclosed.

I shall loot the shiz out of it. No idea about the rest though, if this is the 'new imperial guard' then why have just a couple of boxes and a new codex for them listed? These waters are still very muddy.

So guard are now called "Militarum Tempestus." Huh.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:


Rehosted for your viewing pleasure.

Tempestus is listed as online only, so supplement rather than out and out book by the looks.

Vehicle looks to be about the footprint of an ork truck, only far higher and enclosed.

I shall loot the shiz out of it. No idea about the rest though, if this is the 'new imperial guard' then why have just a couple of boxes and a new codex for them listed? These waters are still very muddy.

Weekly release schedule dude, its a Brave New World - there could be another 5 weeks worth of stuff in the pipeline for all we know (there isn't, but there could be!)

What the heck is that thing underneath the codex? On the cover of visions? It looks mighty chaosy.

Id of though Militarum Tempestus is a new faction of guard in the same vein Cadian and Catachans are. Given that the ugly vehicle can be made in either Tempestus (possible subfaction) or militarum (generic guard?).

Wow.. that is an ugly vehicles and I don't mean that in a utilitarian good sort of way. That thing is just chibi butt ugly like the Storm Guppy.

Are those legs its walking on or just square wheels?

Looks like a codex for a new IG regiment. Odd release.

Dravenguild wrote:
What the heck is that thing underneath the codex? On the cover of visions? It looks mighty chaosy.

Chaosed up IK? I can believe they'd run a new model converted up to go with an army it can't be fielded alongside on the cover.

Wait - so the Militarum Tempestus Scions are the IG Veterans box? I can't really make anything out from the super dark pics.

And that giant armored Truck/Tank is $48 while the paint-pot sized dwarf gyrocopter is $45?

#angry dwarves

 scarletsquig wrote:
Are those legs its walking on or just square wheels?

I think it is riding on four little separate tracked sections.

I also think it looks really goofy.

 krazynadechukr wrote:
So guard are now called "Militarum Tempestus." Huh.

Not quite, that would be the Storm Trooper codex...

Wow, I thought I would be more excited to see the first IG pics come out...

I am tempted to paint the new ugly tank yellow, and have a "Brazzers" sign on one side, "Bang Bus" on the other. Just for the lulz.

 Alpharius wrote:

 scarletsquig wrote:
Are those legs its walking on or just square wheels?

I think it is riding on four little separate tracked sections.

I also think it looks really goofy.

It's a strange choice, I will likely tend to it and take away the tracks at the front, perhaps widen and lower the model altogether.

Anytime you have to instantly start planning to do that much with a stock model, I'd consider it a fail. For instance, I didn't like the Storm Raven but it was at least OK as is IMO. The storm talon on the other hand is irredeemable. This one from the look of it will fall in the latter category as well. I'll reserve final judgement for when I see better pics of the model but so far the first impression is really, really bad.

Oh god, I'm trying so hard not to care about the stupid names. 'Militarum Tempestus Scions'. Seriously? I think I just burst a blood vessel in my eye.

What is the Taurox for? Just for Ogryn? Why would we need another transport?
Taurox brainstorming session:

Design Guy A: Ok, half-tracks are cool, right?
Design Guy B: Yeah...yeah, kids love half-tracks I imagine.
A: Right, so what would be twice as cool as a half-track.
B: I have no idea, but I love where this is going. Hit me!
A: Full. Track.
B: Mind blown, I have no words.
A: I just get these ideas sometimes, I'm no hero.
B: Wait, wouldn't that be just like a tank.
A: Ha, no we'll make it much stupider looking than that.

What the hell...? It looks like something that pushes its way through heavy snow. The Arbite suggestion is good, but that thing is pretty bad.

And all this new naming convention stuff is absurd. And that 'tank'? It doesn't appear to fit with any existing Aesthetic. And GW were on such a roll...

 Excessus wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
So guard are now called "Militarum Tempestus." Huh.

Not quite, that would be the Storm Trooper codex...

Huh? Hardcover, 72 pages, $49.50 usd, and just for (a single unit of) stormtroopers? Doubt it.

If the LotD online was $17, and the hardback IK was $41 (for 2 units essentially).... I believe we are looking at the new guard codex.

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 Excessus wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
So guard are now called "Militarum Tempestus." Huh.

Not quite, that would be the Storm Trooper codex...

Huh? Hardcover, 72 pages, and just for stormtroopers? Doubt it.

It is however listed as a direct order (online) only which makes it less likely to be the full guard codex...

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 Excessus wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
So guard are now called "Militarum Tempestus." Huh.

Not quite, that would be the Storm Trooper codex...

Huh? Hardcover, 72 pages, and just for stormtroopers? Doubt it.

Kind of like 60 pages for one titan? Or 60+ pages for possessed at troops? Or 60+ pages for.. well anything that has been a supplement since supplements came back?

 Melcavuk wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 Excessus wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
So guard are now called "Militarum Tempestus." Huh.

Not quite, that would be the Storm Trooper codex...

Huh? Hardcover, 72 pages, and just for stormtroopers? Doubt it.

It is however listed as a direct order (online) only which makes it less likely to be the full guard codex...

'cause they don't want leaks anymore... preorder online, sent to your store, as usual...

Wow, that vehicle is uuuugly :(((

Tempestus = Stormtroopers. OK, I hope for some good rules. The picture is dark, but Kasrkin still looks better.
And its confirming Astra Militarum...meh...

shade1313 wrote:

Dravenguild wrote:
What the heck is that thing underneath the codex? On the cover of visions? It looks mighty chaosy.

Chaosed up IK? I can believe they'd run a new model converted up to go with an army it can't be fielded alongside on the cover.

Are you serious?

 warboss wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 Excessus wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
So guard are now called "Militarum Tempestus." Huh.

Not quite, that would be the Storm Trooper codex...

Huh? Hardcover, 72 pages, and just for stormtroopers? Doubt it.

Kind of like 60 pages for one titan? Or 60+ pages for possessed at troops? Or 60+ pages for.. well anything that has been a supplement since supplements came back?

You think GW made a $50, 72 page codex, for an elites choice? At least the IKs can be an army, or ally, and the $41 IK ARMY codex has more info then a 72 page codex could for a stormtrooper (elite) choice....

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 Excessus wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
So guard are now called "Militarum Tempestus." Huh.

Not quite, that would be the Storm Trooper codex...

Huh? Hardcover, 72 pages, $49.50 usd, and just for (a single unit of) stormtroopers? Doubt it.

If the LotD online was $17, and the hardback IK was $41 (for 2 units essentially).... I believe we are looking at the new guard codex.

The Imperial Fists codex was full price.

It does sound like Storm Troopers, the whole "Tempestus" thing sounding very stormy. But it is odd that it would come out before the IG codex itself.

I highly doubt that this is the new Guard codex - but if it is...


...wow.

Though if this is a new supplement codex (Inquisition-ish in nature perhaps) it would have the most kits for any non-full codex yet right? Knights got one dual kit, inquisition got nothing, Sentinels and Clan Rak got nothing either. Meanwhile there are atleast the two dual kits mentioned in the pictures with the potential for more the be released in the followed WD Weekly.

current guard codex is 100 pagers....

The new vehicle looks seriously slowed. Like, 200% slowed.

That said, if this is a Stormtrooper or Stormtrooper-esque codex, all will be forgiven. The IA12 assault brigade list has been something I was looking for for years, and a whole codex would be awesome.

Odd name for an ork release on that vehicle.

I have never been a fan of Gee Dubs vehicles, all scrunched up and chibi looking...but this really takes it to a new extreme.

They look like they started off trying to make a Tonka version of a IVEMA Gila



Then someone thought this would be better



And then they decided to put headers on the outside like it was a T-bucket Ford...

For some reason though, someone else decided to put on the obligatory exhaust stacks as well...

Add to that the quick to open pressure hatch doors with a wheel that would be fun to try to turn 10 feet off the ground in combat (I guess to discourage guardsmen from attempting to remount the vehicle) and the almost entirely pointless brush guards.

Although I can understand to some extent the appeal of the knights, this just looks like chibi butt with absolutely no direction. If I had to guess, there will be a kitchen sink bit on the frame for stowage.

The upside I guess for ork players is that it costs less than a battle wagon, and looks to just need an orky paint job to be done.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
In fairness, for $49.50 codex, you would get three units.

Storm Troopers, Storm Trooper Command and the fugly mobile.

Guy, guys calm down, the taurox is actually a pretty good looking model when you consider how much it improves on the original syrian design:

See, perfect.

I don't really care about how crap the models are (though wow are they crap). Just give me new rules and let me get to kitbashing/scratch-building.

The whole new name for the army does my head in too.

I mean, I can actually except the 'we need to trademark our names' argument. Sure, it's crazy, but, it's like, typical Games Workshop crazy.

I just genuinely can't imagine a conversation from new players a couple of years down the line going.

"Yeah, I collect astra mili-tar-um. The astra temp-est-us sky-eee-ons are my favourite unit. They go perfectly with my astra telepathica psychic choir."

I mean, they got away with it with Codex: Adepta Sorioritas just because only vets tend to play them, and they just call them Sisters anyway.

Everyone should know by now that GW stopped releasing main Codex in first week.
So an online only Stormtrooper Codex is not the same as a general release IG Codex.
But the confusion certainly helps to sell these 2 pages of rules for full codex price

Time to un-loot a Battlewagon that armored school bus will not be placed in my army

 SkaerKrow wrote:
I don't really care about how crap the models are (though wow are they crap). Just give me new rules and let me get to kitbashing/scratch-building.

How can you even see anything well enough to call them crap from those pictures?

 Kroothawk wrote:

shade1313 wrote:

Dravenguild wrote:
What the heck is that thing underneath the codex? On the cover of visions? It looks mighty chaosy.

Chaosed up IK? I can believe they'd run a new model converted up to go with an army it can't be fielded alongside on the cover.

Are you serious?

Spoiler:

Okay, calm down, the half pic is pretty crappy and power of suggestion and all that.

With all the options and ideas Forgeworld produces. .. To make this in plastic. ..

Defies all logic. -Edited by insaniak. Not appropriate-

And I mean that.

shade1313 wrote:
Okay, calm down, the half pic is pretty crappy and power of suggestion and all that.

On second thought I agree that it is converted.

 krazynadechukr wrote:
You think GW made a $50, 72 page codex, for an elites choice? At least the IKs can be an army, or ally, and the $41 IK ARMY codex has more info then a 72 page codex could for a stormtrooper (elite) choice....

The IK codex definitely sets up the possibility of other codexes following a similar vein.

So yes, I could see a 'codex' just for Stormtroopers, with a unit and a command squad, and rules for fielding them either as allies or as an 'all stormtrooper, all the time' army by themselves.


The allies and detachment rules have destroyed the single-codex FOC anyway. Clearly the way of the future is just to release a separate codex for each new unit, and let people piece their armies together from whatever they want.

As an ork player I'd like to say that I like that new transport a lot. It allready looks like a shiny new battlewagon, without changing a single bit. Honestly, 10 bucks say, this thing got started as an ork model in the first place.

 Excessus wrote:

 SkaerKrow wrote:
I don't really care about how crap the models are (though wow are they crap). Just give me new rules and let me get to kitbashing/scratch-building.

How can you even see anything well enough to call them crap from those pictures?

Who really needs to have a good look at a model or full look at rules when they can just call it crap and whine and moan. Saves time. I'm waiting for this place to implode and form Murph'ei, Chaos god of pessimism.

The Stormtrooper book looks like it will have at least the Stormtrooper Command squad, basic Scions squad, and the Taurox as a transport. If Stormtroopers are not in the guard codex, that will be annoying. But having their own Stormtrooper book as well opens up a lot of options for various armies- run Knights and Stormtroopers as Skitarii. Inquisition and Inquisitorial Stormtroopers. Add them as Rogue Trader forces, Naval Armsmen, Chapter Cultists, Adeptus Arbites to other Imperial books. I plan to wait and get the IG codex first with my limited funds, but I plan to get the Stormtrooper book as well.

 HisDivineShadow wrote:
With all the options and ideas Forgeworld produces. .. To make this in plastic...

Guard are missing kits for the Griffon, Medusa, Colossus, a complete Basilisk kit, and still have ancient Rough Riders and FineCost Ratlings and Stormies, all their characters as well as Ogryn.

So... GW gives us a butt-ugly ice trucker thingy.

Yeah...

On the upside, at least it's not available to CSM?

LMAO

At 5 for $35, I don't really care that these have *more options* or extra weapons compared to the old metal stormtroopers. If you wanted, you could buy extra bits meltas & plasmas ($10 for 5), and STILL be cheaper using a more expensive set of materials (Metal units, Finecast weapon).

If switching to finecast & plastic was cheaper, that'd be cool. When it stays the same cost/gets more expensive, it just makes GW look like the profit-grubbing tools we call them.

Time to order the oldschool troopers while you can boys!

Erm guys, just done a bit of temporal maths. Those pics say preorders for 29th March, release 5th april. So, in assumption next week preorders the rumours are for more chaos. I think the week after could be the first release of them, ala the dwarf release schedule with maybe the ogryns in first week with something else. That would make sense. And also, the name sounds a bit silly, i hope they have a good reason for it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 HisDivineShadow wrote:
With all the options and ideas Forgeworld produces. .. To make this in plastic...

Guard are missing kits for the Griffon, Medusa, Colossus, a complete Basilisk kit, and still have ancient Rough Riders and FineCost Ratlings and Stormies, all their characters as well as Ogryn.

So... GW gives us a butt-ugly ice trucker thingy.

Yeah...

Rough Riders are gone as of now from the US store.

How are they planning to sell those kits in FLGS:s, without rules to use them?

At least Dwarf-stuff had an older codex to use them with.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Rough Riders are gone as of now from the US store.

That's great Kan. We know you have a giant hate-boner for anything you personally don't approve of, but stop picking on the Rough Riders. There are people out there who do like them, and who very much want to keep using them.

Am I the only one on this forum that likes the look of the transport? It's a tracked MRAP.

 calgar 2.5 wrote:
Am I the only one on this forum that likes the look of the transport?.

Given that other people have already mentioned liking it, probably not.

I think it would look great ploughing across the ice fields of Antarctica, or perhaps ferrying a group of Arbites across the Ash Wastes of Necromunda.

In a Guard army though... sorry... Astra Militarum army though? No.

 adhuin wrote:
How are they planning to sell those kits in FLGS:s, without rules to use them?

We're not supposed to care about the rules.

adhuin wrote:How are they planning to sell those kits in FLGS:s, without rules to use them?

At least Dwarf-stuff had an older codex to use them with.

The Astra Militarum will almost definitely still have the Tempestum units still in the primary book. You just have to buy the "Direct Only" book to field a formation of just those guys.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think it would look great ploughing across the ice fields of Antarctica, or perhaps ferrying a group of Arbites across the Ash Wastes of Necromunda.

In a Guard army though... sorry... Astra Militarum army though? No.

Why do you keep saying that this is THE Imperial Guard codex? With the confirmation of only two products, I doubt very sincerely that this is it. The fact that Rough Riders are no longer in the online could also just mean that a kit made of new material is coming, or that the IG codex is coming out after this. As for the kit not fitting the IG, I don't think it's supposed to considering THIS IS NOT AN IG BOOK.

That vehicle. I don't know what they were thinking when they designed it but it looks a little like a squashed Dreamforge APC which wishes it were a tank.

I can't make out the stormtroopers but the fact that there are only 5 to a box tells me I won't be getting them. I'm sure the models are nice enough but I think I may just get some more Kasrkin instead...

I reckon the name is bad ass. The prices, errrr well I cant see 5 guard are gonna be as good as 5 grey knights and even though you could just sell the bits left over on ebay or something to get a bit of money back, £21 for 5 guard? I dunno maaaan.

 calgar 2.5 wrote:
As for the kit not fitting the IG, I don't think it's supposed to considering THIS IS NOT AN IG BOOK.

Stormtroopers are guard.

And the kit is listed as being for both Tempestus and Astra armies.

So, by that logic, we're going to have Militarum Tempestus, Astra Militarum and Imperial Guard...

Yeah, no.