Kanluwen wrote: Rough Riders are gone as of now from the US store.
That's great Kan. We know you have a giant hate-boner for anything you personally don't approve of, but stop picking on the Rough Riders. There are people out there who do like them, and who very much want to keep using them.
If rough riders are gone from the Imperial Guard codex, I'll happily share the Kan-beatings with you.
Kan, rough riders have existed since rogue trader. Your personal dislike is fine, don't have them, but willing them to disappear from 40k cos you don't like them is not going to endear you to people, me included. I love the idea of Napoleonic cavalry charging gunlines of advanced alien scum.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Well, on the bright side, the Tempes... no... the Storm Troopers look pretty ace. And the Codex... has a cover. I guess.
Thanks for the pics. The stormtroopers are going to be painted up as Skitarii for me. Hope they have a full set of those respirator heads.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Big, buff, and brutal. It's like the best Arbite/Ork vehicle ever released. Not a Guard vehicle by any stretch of the imagination though.
Actualy, weather the crap out of it and it looks like it would fit in quite well with DKoK.
So... The teeming hordes of human soldiers, barely scraping by in a universe of war as depicted by the various regiments, rough riders, and sundry infantry....
That's gone now huh?
Elite troops in flyers, that's the way the imperium fight now?
Slaanesh-Devotee wrote: So... The teeming hordes of human soldiers, barely scraping by in a universe of war as depicted by the various regiments, rough riders, and sundry infantry....
That's gone now huh?
Elite troops in flyers, that's the way the imperium fight now?
...
Hrmph. :(
With eldar or Tau allies along with an Inquisitorial warband next to a Knight Titan.
Lovely and I can see the exhausts and the vents on the hood are both looted from the ork bomma kit... so it's going to be a treat to loot it right back.
Not sure about any imperium applications though, don't know how I'd feel about including it alongside a leman russ or a couple of chimera, it's aesthetic is way off the mark for those.
To be clear, I far from hate it, I just don't think it's a good fit for Guard or whatever they are now, I think it's quite full of potential for my orks though.
MeanGreenStompa wrote: ...don't know how I'd feel about including it alongside a leman russ or a couple of chimera, it's aesthetic is way off the mark for those.
Grab a Russ, turn it around backwards, and have another look...
Why the feth is there a magician leading those stormtroopers? Is he going to fight Spider-Man? Why is the military sci-fi faction riding around in a heraldric clusterfeth and dressed for a steampunk convention. Feth this.
Because GW is trying to create a strong aesthetic with these, make them readily identifiable, not simply 28mm heroic human scifi troops, but a clear look that they own.
I don't begrudge them this, we have many options if we don't care for this look. Personally I can see so many alternative options and kit bashes from these stormtrooper kits that I can't wait for all the =I= and rogue traders that will come from it.
Chaplain Pallantide wrote: True I see your point it just stinks that anyone who is playing cadians have models which don't mesh well with current plastics.
On a side note I do see how they are trying to make them more "gothic" looking...
Preaching to the choir, bud. I've got 50 Kasrkin sitting in a drawer right now wondering how these new guys are going to fit in...
The good news is I would only be interested in one or two boxes, tops, to get a Command Squad and some assorted Command-y guys going.
I'm dropping in on this thread at the end, so perhaps this has been discussed, but are we sure this is actually codex imperial guard? Maybe these "astra milawhatsits" are not really imperial guard at all. All we've seen are stormtroopers, a not very guard vehicle, and a commissar on the cover. Maybe this is a dex about the upper hierarchy of the imperial military machine - scholia progenitum types. Maybe they are getting their own dex (and the chance to ally with everyone). Renaming IG something fancy seems like a bad move. After all, codex Knights has what, 3 models?
MajorWesJanson wrote: Actualy, weather the crap out of it and it looks like it would fit in quite well with DKoK.
Eww, just no. This abomination isn't even close to the DKoK concept. They're supposed to be WWI in space, and their tanks match that concept. I'm not really sure what the inspiration for the new transport is, but it's certainly not a WWI tank.
kestral wrote: After all, codex Knights has what, 3 models?
2 (or rather, one with a weapon option). That's the way of the future.
Stay tuned for Codex: Marbo. It contains the same entry as is in the Guard (sorry, Astra Militarum) codex, but with a page of rules for using him as an army of one, or as allies for any other army (even Tyranids... they'll never even know he's there, after all).
The rest of the 72-page codex will be filled with Chuck Norris-style Marbo jokes. (Guardsman Marbo doesn't hide in the jungle... the rest of the Galaxy hides outside the jungle, hoping he doesn't come out...)
Coming in April. Direct only, and only with the special secret digital handshake that you can get by going into a GW store and buying 3 Marbo miniatures. On a tuesday. Between 9:30 and 9:35.
kestral wrote: I'm dropping in on this thread at the end, so perhaps this has been discussed, but are we sure this is actually codex imperial guard? Maybe these "astra milawhatsits" are not really imperial guard at all.
I think that's just wishful thinking. I can't imagine GW releasing two new "not IG" codices and a real IG codex, especially if the "not IG" armies come first while the IG codex is stuck in 5th edition. It's an incredibly stupid name, but I think we're stuck with it.
The Imperial Guard were always my first love for warhammer 40k. The first tank I actually ever bought was an Imperial Guard Basilisk in 2nd Edition. - I still used it in a game not too long ago.
A 'perfect' Imperial Guard release could have been The Thing to drag me back into 40k, albeit with some kicking and screaming.
Now, awesome looking berets or not, I'm continuing to run a mile away from the game.
H.B.M.C. wrote:Well, on the bright side, the Tempes... no... the Storm Troopers look pretty ace. And the Codex... has a cover. I guess.
Spoiler:
Hey 2nd ed beret stormtroopers are back. Those actually look really excellent. Probably one of the better plastic infantry kits they've ever done. Shame they're so expensive it would be hard to run more than a squad or two. If these guys were ~$25 a box like the command squads I would pick up enough for a platoon. Instead, I'll proxy their redheaded stepchild brothers from 2nd edition
H.B.M.C. wrote:Big, buff, and brutal. It's like the best Arbite/Ork vehicle ever released. Not a Guard vehicle by any stretch of the imagination though.
Spoiler:
That actually looks almost salvageable. Some of the more ridiculous bits, like that terribad front grill, and the front tracks that look like they're completely incapable of turning need to go. The turret and the cab look pretty good though. I like the twin assault cannons (yes, there's two, one is almost obscured by the glare though)
I have a feeling that if this had far less imperial iconography on it, people would be much more accepting of it. Imperial Guard vehicles are known for being very plain, because they need to be cheap and fielded in mass. There's no point putting a ton of fancy emblems and stuff on them when they're usually not expected to last a month in the field.
This would imply that this vehicle might be a "special" vehicle, reserved for elite forces or stormtroopers.
That, or GW has completely lost sight of what the Imperial Guard is about. If these things are just a reskinned chimera and available to everyone, they'll be sorely out of place.
I could see myself considering one, but only if most of the more extreme emblems can be removed or left off without much effort. Maybe taking off every emblem but the lion for example, giving it some front tires instead of tracks, and replace the door with a regular looking hatch, and you would have a nice looking vehicle.
And i dislike that new vehicle model. I mean, why!?!?!?!? IT doesn't fit the design precedents of IG/AM by any means, seems brutal enough for Arbites, but not IG. Really!?!?!?!?!
That APC is pretty ugly... could make for some good sales for the Dreamforge APC when it's released! Missed on the size of the titans, but might do better here
What is the difference between a Storm Trooper and a Space Marine Scout? The beret?
Taurox Prime sounds like a big mutated Tau with Synapse.
Also I heard, you like fenders, so ... And can someone with tank experience confirm, that a turret like that would malm any driver or person trying to exit through the door?
If they made the APC had tires and took off some of the detail it would be pretty bitchin'. If they made the tracks shorter it wouldn't be so bad. If they had made it a half-track it would've been awesome. But... really, that thing looks like something out of 2nd edition. I'll just convert a Chimera thanks. Or a Rhino.
The Storm Troopers look good but they are just way too expensive. I think I'll pick up some Kasrkin or DKOK to use as my Storm Troopers instead.
The vehicle looks ok, I still think the 4 tracks look stupid and it should have wheels on the front. But mostly it just looks horribly un-IG. It just won't look good rolling up next to Chimeras and Leman Russes.
For the most part I don't want to see a new transport for IG anyway, gimme another tank or a Thunderbolt!
So now that we have much better pics of the new vehicle, what does it mean if you still don't like it? "You're just a hater/troll!"
Like others have said though, it's perfect for an Ork vehicle, but looks completely out of place in an IG army. Still don't like the tread wheels though, would have looked better as a half track with wheels in front or with actual wheels all around. The comparison to the He-Man tank earlier in the thread is very apt.
MajorWesJanson wrote: Actualy, weather the crap out of it and it looks like it would fit in quite well with DKoK.
Eww, just no. This abomination isn't even close to the DKoK concept. They're supposed to be WWI in space, and their tanks match that concept. I'm not really sure what the inspiration for the new transport is, but it's certainly not a WWI tank.
Nope, it's more of an armored car. Sort of in between WWI and WWII styles. Just with track bogies instead of wheels.
I resent any suggestion that it looks like an ork vehicle. Ork vehicles have drivetrains which might actually sort of work in reality. Only the Imperium uses tracks which would be useless on everything but a flat surface.
The only hope I've got for the Taurox is that the Astra Militarum variant has wheels rather than tracks, but it doesn't seem likely.
Anyone else thinking this release is meant to go with the imperial knights? A lot of the same design work is noticable, especially on the trukk. I could easily see me replacing the lionon the trukk with the insignia of House Raven...
Nightlord1987 wrote:Does it look open topped to anyone else?
I'd loot one for the Orks definitely.
It doesn't look open topped, but it does have what appears to be a kind of "slope" to the rear like a WWII German armoured car(specifically the Sd. Kfz 232).
I do have a sinking feeling though that it might be a replacement/alternative for the Hydra Flak Tank. If you look at it closely the "turret" is two parts. There is the part where the twin miniguns(assault cannons or potentially Punisher Gatling Cannons shrunk down to size?) are and it looks like they have decent elevation--while the other part is the turret proper where an operator could be situated.
Goresaw wrote:Why is it online only? Is this a supplement? Is it the 'new' guard? (Because it hasn't got many pages). This is wierd.
It's a supplement. We've seen the Codex: Astra Militarum(Imperial Guard rename) cover and the Codex: Militarum Tempestus(Stormtrooper rename) covers.
Astra Militarum cover is a Commissar in front of massed ranks of Guardsmen with what appears to be a Baneblade cannon poking out over them, the Militarum Tempestus cover is a Tempestus Scion in front of what looks to be a warzone with other Scions behind him and explosions.
Nightlord1987 wrote:Does it look open topped to anyone else?
I'd loot one for the Orks definitely.
It doesn't look open topped, but it does have what appears to be a kind of "slope" to the rear like a WWII German armoured car(specifically the Sd. Kfz 232).
I do have a sinking feeling though that it might be a replacement/alternative for the Hydra Flak Tank. If you look at it closely the "turret" is two parts. There is the part where the twin miniguns(assault cannons or potentially Punisher Gatling Cannons shrunk down to size?) are and it looks like they have decent elevation--while the other part is the turret proper where an operator could be situated.
Spoiler:
Goresaw wrote:Why is it online only? Is this a supplement? Is it the 'new' guard? (Because it hasn't got many pages). This is wierd.
It's a supplement. We've seen the Codex: Astra Militarum(Imperial Guard rename) cover and the Codex: Militarum Tempestus(Stormtrooper rename) covers.
Astra Militarum cover is a Commissar in front of massed ranks of Guardsmen with what appears to be a Baneblade cannon poking out over them, the Militarum Tempestus cover is a Tempestus Scion in front of what looks to be a warzone with other Scions behind him and explosions.
In the course of scrolling through the various postings, and reading this one, I didn't scroll all the way down and what I saw was this:
And it looked, possibly, salvageable. The tracks look really, really dumb in and of themselves, but to put the frosting on the cake of their turdiness, they make the whole model sit way too high.
In short (pun unintentional), it needs wheels and it need to be lowered. THEN, perhaps, it can be made decent looking.
Comes with a cannon to boot. And in Japan I can get two for less than the price of one of the GW apocatruck.
I love the new stormtroopers and will buy a box at the very least.
The nice thing about the Taurox is that it finally gets away from the "two hulls per army" that we have seen for a long time. Yes, STC, but there have to be more STC designs than just the Chimaera and Russ hulls. And judging by the looks of this, it will be a different armor layout than the Chimaera. Maybe 11 all around, instead of the Chimaera's 12/10/10?
Maybe 12AV all round. That said, I echo the sentiments about the derpy tracks. What's with GW and releasing new minis that need conversions to not look goofy?
Maybe what one could do is to swap out the wheels from a trukk with the tracks from the Taurox. I am not sure how this would make the trukk look but it can only improve the Taurox.
The hilariously stupid name for the even more hilariously stupid reason for said names existence prevents me to take this codex seriously at all. That armored car looks hilariously bad too. Wheeled tracks? What? I get 40k vehicles are supposed to be impractical, but c'mon....
The tank takes some cues from the MRAP (Mine Resistant Ambush-Protected) and the Caiman armored personnel carrier. These vehicles sit up high in order to lessen the damage caused by IED's and mines. The only issue I have is the tracks vs tires.
Anyone else think it would be entertaining if the Taurox actually replaced the Chimera entirely? As in, "would be entertaining to watch Guard players go bald from the stress."
That vehicle is the worst thing I've seen in 40k... wow. After the high of the Imperial Knight design to see this piece of crap is depressing as hell... I can't believe that passed the design team, marketing team and sales.
I speak solely for myself of course ymmv but I HATE that thing lol...
What is the purpose of thus kit? I can't remember any IG players trying to get their squads closer to the enemy faster, and vehicles aren't exactly great this edition.
themonk wrote: The tank takes some cues from the MRAP (Mine Resistant Ambush-Protected) and the Caiman armored personnel carrier. These vehicles sit up high in order to lessen the damage caused by IED's and mines. The only issue I have is the tracks vs tires.
Yep, it's sending me those vibes, too. A MRAP mixed with a 1920's Leyland armored truck or a Spanish Civil War "Tiznao" as seen through the eyes of a seventeenth century inventor during an acid trip.
Joyboozer wrote: What is the purpose of thus kit? I can't remember any IG players trying to get their squads closer to the enemy faster, and vehicles aren't exactly great this edition.
Yes, get those Guardsmen into the teeth of the enemy even faster! C'mon lads, dis-embark.. dis-ehmBARK!
Not going to write a TLR here, but let's just say forgetting your uniform more than once back in cadets made me very 'keen' on what vehicle is called what and what makes it effective. Those vehicles all stayed in the armory lot, which is where this Apoca-Truck should've stayed!
Why? Why!? Does it have fenders AND a separate track assembly? Hmm.. it needs double armor! Yes, that's it!
Joyboozer wrote: What is the purpose of thus kit? I can't remember any IG players trying to get their squads closer to the enemy faster, and vehicles aren't exactly great this edition.
Delivering the new Assault Scions, wielding thunder hammers. You can even see one on the stowage!
Wait, how do we have this, and yet no leaks of the rumored Chaos Chosen?
Crap. Could those rumors have been totally off? This WD says the products will be available for pre-order on the 29th.
So.. We got this weekend of the 7th with the Helbrute pre-orders...
Then next weekend will be the 15th, presumably with Chosen preorders...
Then after that is the 22nd, which I suspect would be Astra Miltarum preorders...
And finally should be the 29th, which are the Militarum Tempestus pre-orders...
And FW infantry squads are now entirely affordable. If you're going to be making 10-men squads of those boxes... you're left with 30$ in your pocket if you buy any FW kit (from Canada, anyhoo)
By the way, Airfix has a very serviceable 1:48 kit that is modern, the Coyote, Supacat? Something like that. Not as armoured, but at least it has wheels.
Peregrine wrote: Wow. That new vehicle is just awful. Not only is it an ugly design by itself, it doesn't fit at all with the existing IG concepts. Did GW fire all of their marginally-competent sculptors and replace them with the CEO's small children?
Well, Dale Stringer and Tom Walton, collectively, did the Imp Knight, and did the Furioso Dread and DEldar Venom individually, Dave Thomas brought us... Sammael and Ratling Snipers.
I think that there are three sculptors, two of whom seem to have a track record of pretty decent looking plastic kits, one who doesn't seem to have done so much, suggests where any faux pas may originate from.
I think saying that Stringer and Walton having decent-looking kits is an EXTREMELY generous assessment of their work.
The design of the Furioso was dictated by the design that Jes Goodwin did for the previous incarnations of the Marine Dreadnought, and the Venom is Jes's Vyper with Dark Eldar aesthetics. In short, if you want it done (40K) right, have Jes do it.
Though I am willing to entertain that 'Dale Stringer' and 'Tom Walton' are Cruddace and Mat Ward's sculpting nom de plumes.
Not going to lie I think the new transport would look pretty passable if it had big ass truck wheels instead of those completely ridiculous looking tracks.
As for the Tempestus Scions I'm going to sit on the sidelines as to whether or not they're the new Stormtroopers. From what I can see from their looks and tell by their names I'm going to say they might be more related to the Ecclesiarchy, more specifically the Schola Progenium. It could still be possible that we'll get a separate dual kit with Stormtroopers/Veterans of the Guard (Militarum) variety that fall more in line with the Diesel Punk/Old-Meets-New Military look. Either way I'm totally fine with them, and I think they look awesome, just that they may be a bit too flashy and shiny to be included in my army.
got this extracted from my friends mobile phone. he said he saw it at work (printing company or something)
looks a bit strange to me. anyone seen this before?
got this extracted from my friends mobile phone. he said he saw it at work (printing company or something)
looks a bit strange to me. anyone seen this before?
got this extracted from my friends mobile phone. he said he saw it at work (printing company or something)
looks a bit strange to me. anyone seen this before?
Looks shopped
H.B.M.C. wrote:Badly shopped.
Yah, new poster. Me thinks its a troll, because that is a terrible Photoshop job.
I am liking the new kits honestly. I run my IG as several different regiments working in tandem, so "not fitting" ascetics just means a different regiment.
They new infantry are boss, I will DEFENITLRY pick up some to make some IG commanders/ vets.
The new vehicle reminds me of an MRAP. I am interested to see it in person and not in that terrible blue scheme and to see what role it will take in the IG. I think it will be an uparomored chimera with more guns for only elite units. Like stormtroopers/ commanders get this tank or a chimera but the rank and file infantry have to ride in only chimeras.
SkaerKrow wrote: I don't really care about how crap the models are (though wow are they crap). Just give me new rules and let me get to kitbashing/scratch-building.
How can you even see anything well enough to call them crap from those pictures?
Because I don't need to see fine detail when the overall shape of the model is so fundamentally flawed? Because I've been doing this long enough to know an eyesore when I see one? The Taurox model is garbage. It looks like a blinged out Tonka truck.
drbored wrote: Wait, how do we have this, and yet no leaks of the rumored Chaos Chosen?
Crap. Could those rumors have been totally off? This WD says the products will be available for pre-order on the 29th.
So.. We got this weekend of the 7th with the Helbrute pre-orders...
Then next weekend will be the 15th, presumably with Chosen preorders...
Then after that is the 22nd, which I suspect would be Astra Miltarum preorders...
And finally should be the 29th, which are the Militarum Tempestus pre-orders...
Right? That should be how it goes... right?
It's very simple: we have this and don't have Chosen because nobody wants this and everybody wants Chosen.
drbored wrote: Wait, how do we have this, and yet no leaks of the rumored Chaos Chosen?
Crap. Could those rumors have been totally off? This WD says the products will be available for pre-order on the 29th.
So.. We got this weekend of the 7th with the Helbrute pre-orders...
Then next weekend will be the 15th, presumably with Chosen preorders...
Then after that is the 22nd, which I suspect would be Astra Miltarum preorders...
And finally should be the 29th, which are the Militarum Tempestus pre-orders...
Right? That should be how it goes... right?
It's very simple: we have this and don't have Chosen because nobody wants this and everybody wants Chosen.
-C6
Speak for yourself. I couldn't give a rat's ass about Chosen, and I've been anticipating new Guard stuff for a long while now.
I have not played or collected anything 40k in over 4 years.After playing off and on since first edition.I really like the models about frigin time to see some plastic Stormies.But What this sounds like to me is a Arbites Style Force or A Inquistion Style troopers.I wonder if in the Codex if they get any of the old Forgeworld vehilces.Because that Truk would fit in real well with Inquistion or Arbites.Ogres with Riot Shields and Clubs sounds alittle like Arbites to me.So i hope this is a Splash release overall and not a General release for Guard.Because i think that truk would kinda stink in overall Meatgrind/Tank war that 40k has turned into.GIve me something more sturdy.
but i will stick with a Splash release for a Supplement Codex and probably some BL Novels to go with,But looking at the Art.They appear to be some type of Inq/Arbites Stlye and the Ogeryns would fit in with this style of playing.Urban Assault troops.MAybe a New Guard Regiment?This would not be the first time GW has done this,TAnith,Schaffers,TAnith,Mordian Etc. for examples.but What get me are the Rites inscripted on the one troopers forehead!All we needed was for them to HAve Uriah with them.I would be kool if we got some new Arbite stuff to go with them Cyber MAstiffs and Ogres CC = OWWW or something for Penal or Mitia models from GW..I played Inq. Stormies for years.
I love the Taurox. Like all the best 40K vehicles, it screams WW2-era to me. It seems heavily inspired by the American half-tracks of that era. M31A etc.
I'm really excited by what i'm seeing here... in part because my old school beret stormtroopers will finally get some reinforcements!
The Crippler wrote: I'm really excited by what i'm seeing here... in part because my old school beret stormtroopers will finally get some reinforcements!
Same here! They were getting lonely all by themselves...
Yep, it seems like they were definitely going to real vehicles for inspiration on that vehicle. I like it, although it will be interesting to see what role it fills.
Also if that is a true stormtrooper army book.....I might be broke building an allied detachment. That would be PERFECT allies for my deathwatch.
Bitch about allies all you want but it is allowing me to finally build and play the fluffy army I have always wanted.
The Crippler wrote: I love the Taurox. Like all the best 40K vehicles, it screams WW2-era to me. It seems heavily inspired by the American half-tracks of that era. M31A etc.
More like a Snow Cat got a Tucker Combat Car drunk at a bar one night long ago...
The Crippler wrote: I love the Taurox. Like all the best 40K vehicles, it screams WW2-era to me. It seems heavily inspired by the American half-tracks of that era. M31A etc.
Except that it looks nothing like a half-track.
Which would be acceptable if it did.
It looks like a slowed snow-cat that someone put the treads on upside down.
The Crippler wrote: I love the Taurox. Like all the best 40K vehicles, it screams WW2-era to me. It seems heavily inspired by the American half-tracks of that era. M31A etc.
More like a Snow Cat got a Tucker Combat Car drunk at a bar one night long ago...
OMG. There really is such a thing as an Armored Tucker Sno-Cat.
The Crippler wrote: I love the Taurox. Like all the best 40K vehicles, it screams WW2-era to me. It seems heavily inspired by the American half-tracks of that era. M31A etc.
More like a Snow Cat got a Tucker Combat Car drunk at a bar one night long ago...
OMG. There really is such a thing as an Armored Tucker Sno-Cat.
Spoiler:
Again, a real world vehicle that both looks better, AND looks more like it fits in with the rest of the IG line.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I don't understand why people are expecting this to be more heavily armored than the Chimera, though.
MRAPs may be pretty tough, but they aren't as robust as a Bradley, for example.
AtoMaki wrote: Also, the Taurox is a MRAP with 40k bling.
Sure, but it's not a good MRAP with 40k bling.
If I was designing the Taurox as an Ogryn delivery system, I'd start off by replacing the tracks with something lower to the ground, and then had the entire side panel of the troop compartment fold down like the tailgates on a ute. Ogryns walk up the ramp, sit down, and the ramps lift up to shield them. When they get where they're going the Taurox rams its way into the enemy ranks, drops the ramps to crush a few more, and then the Ogryn charge off the assault ramps to either side of the vehicle.
New snow cats for thread heads meowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Are they Inqusition goons? Are they space cops? or are they another organization intended to counterbalance the Inquisition and the Church? (The latter has a band of warrior girls in power armor as its own military power)
Hope this stuff is just a rumor because it looks horrible!
Automatically Appended Next Post: Why bother wearing that horrible bulky armor, then wear a beret? LMAO!!! I'll bet they're wearing sandals on their feet...
Kelly502 wrote: Hope this stuff is just a rumor because it looks horrible!
Automatically Appended Next Post: Why bother wearing that horrible bulky armor, then wear a beret? LMAO!!! I'll bet they're wearing sandals on their feet...
it makes them looks like a commando or the 1st / 2nd edition Stormtroops.
Renaissance style armor looks good, but it doesn't fit with 21st century beret, it fits with either tricorne, bicorne, or skull helmets (hopefully there will be two sets of head to swaps).
so they got the separate organizations and not belong to IG. but are these the return of Templars Fraternits thing.. a band of all-male warrior priests owned by The Church (Before Sebastian Thor disbanded them shortly after the cirisis)
Glad I'm not playing 40k any more. Not sure what GW was thinking with that vehicle design. Track guards?! What purpose do track guards serve here? What's with the iconography? Why is the turret right above the driver area AND right next to the door? It's like a really bad episode of Pimp My Ride.
And the new Stormtrooper/Scion models.... Far cry from the Kasrkin sculpts. Too much torso and shoulder armor, nothing on their legs....
Ugh. Maybe the actual IG stuff might not be such an eye sore.
If I was designing the Taurox as an Ogryn delivery system, I'd start off by replacing the tracks with something lower to the ground, and then had the entire side panel of the troop compartment fold down like the tailgates on a ute. Ogryns walk up the ramp, sit down, and the ramps lift up to shield them. When they get where they're going the Taurox rams its way into the enemy ranks, drops the ramps to crush a few more, and then the Ogryn charge off the assault ramps to either side of the vehicle.
I had a similar train of thought but figured why would Ogryn's need ramps to shield them. Just turn the back end of the Taurox into a flatbed, lower the vehicle, throw on some tires instead of tracks and you'd have an Ogryn El Camino delivery system.
The Scions don't look that bad but as far as the current Taurox goes I'll be keeping to my Chimera's and save myself some cash.
i thought the plan of these releases would be to release sweet looking models, then bomb you with OK rules. I think their plan backfires when they release good awful models and what i assume will be horrific rules as well. This thing better be the IG riptide!
generalchaos34 wrote: i thought the plan of these releases would be to release sweet looking models, then bomb you with OK rules. I think their plan backfires when they release good awful models and what i assume will be horrific rules as well. This thing better be the IG riptide!
Maybe they're going the hell turkey route with crappy model but good rules instead...
None of my Terminators go without wearing their helmets. I try not to field stupid troops.
If you look at the box cover, there are helmeted heads which look like the Kasrkin/standard Cadian helmets.
Nor my IG goes to war without ballistic helmets. artillery shrapnels can kill troops without these basic protections.
That's the helmets i'm talking about! the book cover version of the helmet looks alot like 1st edition Imperal Army infantrymen.... i.e. Renaissances in space
Zengu wrote: Is it just me or does that transport look like it has a twin linked punisher cannon on it? Sorry if someone else has noticed this already.
It has dual punisher cannons or maybe double assault cannons but. the vehicle appears to looks like tracked hot rod so it should run faster than kitty chimaerae meow
having feline decor. will it be Scions exclusive or can normal IG have it too?
Zengu wrote: Is it just me or does that transport look like it has a twin linked punisher cannon on it? Sorry if someone else has noticed this already.
It has dual punisher cannons or maybe double assault cannons but. the vehicle appears to looks like tracked hot rod so it should run faster than kitty chimaerae meow
having feline decor. will it be Scions exclusive or can normal IG have it too?
TL Punisher cannon would go a long way to healing the wounds of a terrible model. Also if it was a fast vehicle. Probably not an assault vehicle though
Zengu wrote: Is it just me or does that transport look like it has a twin linked punisher cannon on it? Sorry if someone else has noticed this already.
It has dual punisher cannons or maybe double assault cannons but. the vehicle appears to looks like tracked hot rod so it should run faster than kitty chimaerae meow
having feline decor. will it be Scions exclusive or can normal IG have it too?
On BOLS its name appears in a picture: Tempestus Scions Taurox Prime/Militarum Taurox. So I think that normal guard squads can use it but with a different load-out.
I really hope that they do not require this "codex" to run Stormtroopers as allies with Codex: IG. If that is the case, my old Stormies and Kasrkin could risk going on eBay.
However, people are right that the truck (or should I say trukk) have a lot of looting potential. With a few bits and conversions, it could look proper Orky.
Zengu wrote: Is it just me or does that transport look like it has a twin linked punisher cannon on it? Sorry if someone else has noticed this already.
It has dual punisher cannons or maybe double assault cannons but. the vehicle appears to looks like tracked hot rod so it should run faster than kitty chimaerae meow
having feline decor. will it be Scions exclusive or can normal IG have it too?
On BOLS its name appears in a picture: Tempestus Scions Taurox Prime/Militarum Taurox. So I think that normal guard squads can use it but with a different load-out.
links please. so i can read reviews/previews there meow
If I was designing the Taurox as an Ogryn delivery system, ...
We don't know that's what it is, yet. But looking at the size of it, and the size of the doors, I suspect not. As mentioned earlier, it smacks of command vehicle to me.
Well... Looks like most of the rumors are correct. At least the stuff I was hoping for. But I do not like the seperated tracks on the transport. The transport's body looks kinda cool so if I buy one I will convert it to wheeled. The storm troopers also... the armour looks like Gothic plate, yeah I know they are going for a Gothic style with the names and all, but the armour design died for a reason. It works for Empire knights, but not IG.
To be positive! The Berets look really cool. Mix the arms and the heads with some Victoria Minitures flak armour bodies and I will have some cool Storm Troopers.
It seems the vast majority of you are excited about the new models. I for one am pretty disappointed. It appears that both the Stormtroopers & the new vehicle were designed to match armies with Imperial Knights aesthetically & IG being a afterthought. I'm happy for Ork players as I can see some creative stuff being done with the new vehicle, but yeah... I'll be passing on everything shown so far.
Commissar Benny wrote: It seems the vast majority of you are excited about the new models. I for one am pretty disappointed. It appears that both the Stormtroopers & the new vehicle were designed to match armies with Imperial Knights aesthetically & IG being a afterthought. I'm happy for Ork players as I can see some creative stuff being done with the new vehicle, but yeah... I'll be passing on everything shown so far.
Personally I am not a big fan of either kit, because they do not fit my current army aesthetically. That being said I will have to hold my judgement off until I can see the rest of the new releases as well as the scale of the new vehicles. But I am not happy so far either...I mean what was wrong with the Imperial Guard....now its Astra Militarum
I would rather buy an equivalent value of My Little Pony toys, and shove them up my nose into my brain one by one, than build and paint that atrocity of a snow-cat.
I'm really in two minds about the trruck, if someone does a good mod with wheels i would be more okay with it i think, i don't like the retro stormies uniform, really out of place with any themed guard unit. I think i may get another vendetta before the codex drops if i'm honest, then i can have all the troop transport i can manage.
Guarder22 wrote: But I am not happy so far either...I mean what was wrong with the Imperial Guard....now its Astra Militarum
I am all over it, personally. I love the name change. Makes it feel more gothic and army-like. Imperial Guard seems like something you or I could do on a weekend twice a month.
It's same reason Sisters of Battle got renamed. It fits the overarching them of 40k better, IMHO.
It also seems IGAM are being bolstered by Doctor Strange! With a ruff!
The Bull Ox suffers from a mortal disease gnawing at 40K lately - a need to cram everything onto a minimum number of sprues, causing violent chibification. Take the same concept (maybe sans the tracks), design it with proper dimensions, scaled to fit with IG infantry, and it could've been a nice-looking vehicle. As it is, it's been compromised by sprue-pinching in the same way as the chibi-Storm Raven, the chibi-Stormtalon, or the chibi-Heldrake.
Astra Militarium. (Latin for Starship Troopers ) better name than the Imperial Guard but it needs a bigger effort to rebrand them. (Stormtroops were latinized too! Militarium Tempestus)
so for anti-Taurox movements. Why the vehicle, or any quad track vehicles are considered 'out of place' for the IG?
It looks a lot like a tracked version of the hover trucks from mobile suit gundam 08th MS team, if I ever start my tau army I'm definitely allying one of these in as a comms team.
Commissar Benny wrote: It seems the vast majority of you are excited about the new models. I for one am pretty disappointed. It appears that both the Stormtroopers & the new vehicle were designed to match armies with Imperial Knights aesthetically & IG being a afterthought. I'm happy for Ork players as I can see some creative stuff being done with the new vehicle, but yeah... I'll be passing on everything shown so far.
You are not the only one. I hate that chest plate and the Ork shoe box IG quad of sadness, they are going to cost me way too much money converting to even make them worth my time, Maybe after I see some in person or get a chance to buy some used ones I might change my mind. Til then, no thank you. I probably won't even buy the book.
The new storm trooper look is pretty sweet, it's a nice blend of the 2nd edition plastics, their replacement metals, hints of the Kasrkin and above all else, a style of their own. I like them.
Also digging the codex cover, a commissar, yes!
As for the Taurox.. I may get one as a riot suppression vehicle or the like, depending on the weapon options. While it does not fit in with the rest of the Guard motorpool, it has some things going for itself, including plenty of lion iconography, which has more or less been established as the totem animal of the Imperial Guard in art for some time now, glad to see them finally putting it to use.
The vehicle... urghh.. it's very ugly, the tracks jar with the chassis of the vehicle aesthetically. All in all it's just not a good design. Might be salvageable with some cheap 1/32 scale tank kit and just use the tracks from that with it.
'Astra Militarum'?! Think you can safely predict at least 4-5 different codecies now from what used to be just 'Imperial Guard' !
Lone Cat wrote: Astra Militarium. (Latin for Starship Troopers ) better name than the Imperial Guard but it needs a bigger effort to rebrand them. (Stormtroops were latinized too! Militarium Tempestus)
so for anti-Taurox movements. Why the vehicle, or any quad track vehicles are considered 'out of place' for the IG?
Ok, I'll take the challenge.
So. Let's take a look at the tonka truck again.
Spoiler:
The basic idea is there. A big, boxy, utilitarian type tvehicle with what looks like some decent firepower and some poorly thought out design decisions. That's pretty much every Imperial Guard vehicle in a nutshell.
Now, I'm going to show a few pictures of some of the classic IG vehicles. Let's see if you spot the difference. \
Spoiler:
Leman Russ by Peregrine
Chimera by Michaelcycle
Sentinel by Doug
Notice anything?
Unlike most other factions in 40k, the IG is known for having barebones vehicles. If you'll notice in all three of those examples, all of the vehicles only show a small amount of iconography, if any all. There is little in the way of extra parts and symbols that isn't added by the crew later, and they definitely don't come from the factory sporting titan sized skulls mounted to their front grill. They are simple, barebones, built for a purpose. These are not works of art, most aren't ancient machines that have served for centuries (Executioners and Vanquishers sometimes being an exception)
These are vehicles designed to be cheap and simple to produce and WORK. They're essentially the Soviet design philosophy of WWII. The tank isn't perfect, and has some glaring flaws, but if we can crank out enough of them, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if the tank's engine breaks down after 200km if it's just going to get destroyed in it's first week of combat for example. These are tanks that can get destroyed by the HUNDREDS in an engagement depending on the foe. What sane person would justify welding a massive skull to the front end and Fleur de Les on the "wheels", a part that will often get damaged? That kind of work slows down production time, and adds extra work and cost, things that the Imperial Guard can't afford. It flies in the face of the "build them simple and cheap, and build a lot of them" design philosophy IG vehicles are known for.
To put this in perspective, the tonka truck has more ridiculous ornamentation than most SPACE MARINE vehicles. And you know, it's not like each space marine vehicle isn't a priceless relic that has served for centuries. Most Sisters vehicles are more adorned with symbols, but then again, they're a major part of the religious cult of the Imperium, of course their equipment will have it. They're not expendable meatshields.
The model really doesn't need much to get it to fit into the IG aesthetic. Make it much more simple and remove the fancy icons, and that alone would make it fit in much better. Removing the weird track parts and just giving it wheels would make more sense too, as wheels are going to be a lot cheaper than 4 separate track assemblies.
But then again, this could very well just be a command/special forces vehicle. If that's the case, all the fancy stuff makes a bit more sense, since the people riding in it aren't getting thrown into the meatgrinder as often, but I would still think it looks out of place.
So does that clarify a bit? I know there are probably other reasons people dislike the vehicle, but that's what I would wager most people dislike about it, whether they realize it or not. You can see similar sentiment to the Stormtroopers, as they have a bit of this going on as well. I just forgive them because I like the poses and weapons they have, and I have a soft spot for berets since I have 20 of the 2nd ed plastic stormtroopers.
On an unrelated note, does anyone else get the urge to go into a GW like a week before these guys come out and play with their 2nd ed stormtroopers, bragging that they totally "got the plastic stormtroopers before anyone else?"
Well I can see myself getting the codex, stormtroopers and possibly the supplement. I like the new aesthetic for them but as it doesn't fit with my army I'm probably going to carve off a y fancy bits down to the bare armour. And closeups of the taurox are not making me like it any more....
Unlike most other factions in 40k, the IG is known for having barebones vehicles. If you'll notice in all three of those examples, all of the vehicles only show a small amount of iconography, if any all. There is little in the way of extra parts and symbols that isn't added by the crew later, and they definitely don't come from the factory sporting titan sized skulls mounted to their front grill. They are simple, barebones, built for a purpose. These are not works of art, most aren't ancient machines that have served for centuries (Executioners and Vanquishers sometimes being an exception)
To put this in perspective, the tonka truck has more ridiculous ornamentation than most SPACE MARINE vehicles. And you know, it's not like each space marine vehicle isn't a priceless relic that has served for centuries. Most Sisters vehicles are more adorned with symbols, but then again, they're a major part of the religious cult of the Imperium, of course their equipment will have it. They're not expendable meatshields.
Marines didn't always look so stupid. Remember when they mainly looked like this?
Now they mainly look more like this
ie stupid, cos that's what we want isn't it? MORE STUFF ON THEM LOL!
In conclusion, expect more of this crap, cos apparently we like it better.
The biggest problem with the truck is that the track sections are way too tall. It would look much better and more IG:ish if they were about half the height they are.
I'll reserve judgement on the transport until I've actually seen it, as things always look better in the flesh. But at the moment, I'm really not liking it too much.
If I was going the storm troopers route, I think I'd much rather go with these;
Lone Cat wrote: Astra Militarium. (Latin for Starship Troopers ) better name than the Imperial Guard but it needs a bigger effort to rebrand them. (Stormtroops were latinized too! Militarium Tempestus)
so for anti-Taurox movements. Why the vehicle, or any quad track vehicles are considered 'out of place' for the IG?
Ok, I'll take the challenge.
So. Let's take a look at the tonka truck again.
Spoiler:
What is going on?!
I'm just confused by the direction they took IG. I was expecting to see some better cadians or something in this thread... got some crazy not-really-IG stormtroopers and that abomination.
spiralingcadaver wrote: I'm just confused by the direction they took IG. I was expecting to see some better cadians or something in this thread... got some crazy not-really-IG stormtroopers and that abomination.
The design of the Storm Troopers harks back to some older models...
Kelly502 wrote: Hope this stuff is just a rumor because it looks horrible!
Seriously, you are in denial if you think this is just a rumour anymore...
Kelly502 wrote: Why bother wearing that horrible bulky armor, then wear a beret? LMAO!!! I'll bet they're wearing sandals on their feet...
Yeah, and why wear terminator armour without a helmet...welcome to 40k, you must be new...
Well, new guy, my Terminators don't go without helmets bub.
Until it's on the shelf it's a rumor. This stuff looks as bad as the other 40K knock-off miniaturesfrom other games.
Someone said it made them look commando, well commandos don't wear their berets to battle. That includes American Paratroopers, Rangers, and on up the chain.
This is my opinion. If I lived in Spain, I'd probably think the commandos with berets were cool... but I'm not so I don't.
And once I get my Orks going, and these truck things are for sale, they're going to be Ork trucks, Bad Moon Clan.
spiralingcadaver wrote: I'm just confused by the direction they took IG. I was expecting to see some better cadians or something in this thread... got some crazy not-really-IG stormtroopers and that abomination.
The design of the Storm Troopers harks back to some older models...
Its a common problem. Some people in the past haven't realised that my Praetorians were a GW product. Now those new Storm Troopers with some of Vic's pith helmet heads. Could be a goer.
As for the Taurox. I could see myself getting one as a transport for the Tempestus troops and/or HQs but there will always be a place for a mass produced Chimera for my rank and file.
spiralingcadaver wrote: I'm just confused by the direction they took IG. I was expecting to see some better cadians or something in this thread... got some crazy not-really-IG stormtroopers and that abomination.
The design of the Storm Troopers harks back to some older models...
Holy crap they had more than one pose?!?!?!
The guy who sold me mine must have ripped me off. Mine are all the exact same pose, and the most static and boring one at that
Storm troopers look decent, wouldn't be using the weird cape officer so that's not a problem. Might trim back the edge piping on the armour to make them a little more utilitarian. Price is fine as all I will be getting is one box to use in an inquisitors retinue.
The vehicle still looks like a steaming pile of bullgak that they have then over ornamented to distract from its crappiness. You can't polish a turd but you sure can sprinkle it in glitter.
Now just to wait for some smart arse to post the myth busters link.
Kelly502 wrote: Hope this stuff is just a rumor because it looks horrible!
Seriously, you are in denial if you think this is just a rumour anymore...
Kelly502 wrote: Why bother wearing that horrible bulky armor, then wear a beret? LMAO!!! I'll bet they're wearing sandals on their feet...
Yeah, and why wear terminator armour without a helmet...welcome to 40k, you must be new...
Well, new guy, my Terminators don't go without helmets bub.
Until it's on the shelf it's a rumor. This stuff looks as bad as the other 40K knock-off miniaturesfrom other games.
Someone said it made them look commando, well commandos don't wear their berets to battle. That includes American Paratroopers, Rangers, and on up the chain.
This is my opinion. If I lived in Spain, I'd probably think the commandos with berets wear cool... but I'm not so I don't.
And once I get my Orks going, and these truck things are for sale, they're going to be Ork trucks, Bad Moon Clan.
I don't care about if you have bare headed termies or not, I do too. I was protesting against the misconception about it being a "new thing" that GW designed outfits like that. Some people are just complaining for complaining's sake...
New guy, hmm. Yeah, I guess I haven't posted much during the years I've been on this forum...
spiralingcadaver wrote: I'm just confused by the direction they took IG. I was expecting to see some better cadians or something in this thread... got some crazy not-really-IG stormtroopers and that abomination.
The design of the Storm Troopers harks back to some older models...
Holy crap they had more than one pose?!?!?!
The guy who sold me mine must have ripped me off. Mine are all the exact same pose, and the most static and boring one at that
The plastic ones were monopose. They were supplemented with metal autocannon and heavy bolter crews, two sergeants and melta and plasma gunners.
For the trooper front right, I think its a kneeling loaders upper half stuck them on a melta gunners legs.
There are some other subtle conversions, maybe moving the head or altering the leg stance.
I know its not the imperial way and more of a tau thing but i would forgive the truck's tracks more if it had a "Ghost in the shell feel" I can see a Tau tank gliding on those on a highway but not a IG ATV on no mans land.
I honestly like the new storm troopers, won't ever think about buying them at that price though. It's a cute little price point but a bit to big for me.
The tank/vehicle/something on the other hand is a bit of a let down. I was hoping for a new guard vehicle and was really interested in what they could come up with that would look awesome next to a Russ/Chimera. Guess now I know, they can't come up with anything that looks even simply good or just ok next to those two tanks. This is... ah whatever, the new codex will just be the only thing to get. Should be glad they had the decency of saving me money I guess.
Well, the Stormtroopers do look great in the new pics, although the price is too high for a unit that, really, needs to be used en-masse to work well. The option for a command squad is nice (and if the supplement simply allows STs to be taken as allies, slotless or otherwise, my Inq and GK armies will be very happy). The stupid thing is, if they'd done a seperate 5-man command squad and a 10-man infantry box in that style, with less options, I'd be perfectly happy to start phasing out my current Stormies.
I just hope that based on the cover they make commissars good again. At the moment, they're far outplayed by inquisitors.
Similarly, I just want better Stormtrooper rules more than anything else. They've also been beat out in their kamikaze melta missions by Legion of the Damned. With their current rules they might as well be expensive doom divers.
A few years ago there were alot of rumours flying around about adeptus arbites being released as a mini dex style thing. With the armoured vehicle and ogryns with riot shields, doesnt seem too unlikely. Personally I really like the stormies, the un-practical, ostentatious look always appealed to me for 40k. The taurox is not awful, may be more passable in a less ridiculous scheme.
The Taurox does look better now I've seen a bigger/better res pic of it, but the track configuration still looks daft to me, rip 'em all off and give it eight chunky armoured tyres
Reminds me more of a support type vehicle than a fighting one though, like a Morris with tracks, apologies if anyone else has made this point, I went to bed last night when the thread was up to 8 pages and I've just fallen back into it!
I've been toying with a theory that these new models were originally supposed to be part of a unified faction along with the Imperial Knights. I was thinking it would be sort of like a supplement to the IG codex (like Farsight Enclaves, Sentinels of Terra, etc.) except that it detailed the Knightly Houses instead of some more generic IG force. Then apparently someone made the decision to rework the models into IG, separate out the Knights, and release everything this way.
I'll eat my hat if the blingy lions on the new vehicle aren't optional. If you look on the far side of the vehicle, you can see how much the plate sticks out on the other side, that suggests its an interchangeable piece. I reckon the guard one will have a flat armour plate.
As for the stormtrooper berets, they have bee reading too much commando comics, but its a fun look
alanmckenzie wrote:I'll reserve judgement on the transport until I've actually seen it, as things always look better in the flesh. But at the moment, I'm really not liking it too much.
If I was going the storm troopers route, I think I'd much rather go with these;
Yep that looks much better. Or, some of the vehicles from Antenociti. Actually, I would go far as saying this is the worst miniature I have seen from GW for some years.
BrookM wrote:As long as one of those allows for Elysians, I'll be a happy flying pig.
But, you already have what is surely one the best of the IA books! (at least story-wise)
Hrm, I have to say that I'm not a fan of the Taurox. But, I do thing its salvagable. I might cut the inner slopes off the fenders and connect them with placticard and give it a one long set of tracks. Also the bush guard has got to go, a dozerblade should look good, taking some attection away from the grille and hood while also lending the model a longer apperance counter act its "stumpyness".
As for the storm troopers I'm loving the look they have now, as I kitbash my guard with brettonian and empire bitz they will fit right in!
I can only hope the taurox is the "big stinker" of the release and that the rest are awesome models with at least "good" rules
please format your questions better - took me a few reads to understand what you were asking.
Answer - yes, it's the back end of a Valk.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also I think the truck might be heavily influenced by the British Jackal:
It's starting to grow on me. Maybe the design is meant to pay homage to our troops. Plus I know a lot of soldiers play 40K, and as the new British Army vehicles have vastly improved the survivability of soldiers versus IEDs, maybe they're the target purchasers (+ 5 years olds that need a new digger).
Looks like my suspicioons (and those of others) were correct, IG is going Call of Duty/Battlefield. We've already got 40k humvees and new awesome storm troopers, we'll get tons of support options with artillery and air strikes a smaller numbers of elite guardsmen.
Data slabs, supplements, mini dexes and digital codexes... I have never understood less about my army as I do now.
I also think this highlights a wider (and off topic) issue about enticing new comers into the hobby. When I started, you'd buy the boxed game, and your army codex. Then dark millennium a few months later. Even that, at the time seemed daunting at first. But now, like you say, someone thinking of starting out will have to be shown the Rulebook, then the codex for the army they like. Then told about escalation, then stronghold assault, then told about data slates, minidexes, supplements, etc. Really off putting, I think, for new starters.
Those Stormtroopers are simply amazing. and exactly what I need to build some Skitarii to go with my Knight. However, I don't think the beret really works with the gothic armour, I hope they have enough bits to equip all of them with the masked helmet the leader has.
GW legal found out that the name Wydivgür0iguanübg08zcz8zrnudru6bx is not yet copyrighted (and no location in Wales ), just in time before the new Ork Codex cover goes to print
Also: Imagine posters and recruiters on an Imperial agro-world:
"Peasants and illiterates: Join the Astra Militarum!"
*chirp chirp*
"Folks: Join the Imperial Guard!"
"Yeah!" "Hooray!" "Here we go!"
Crimson wrote: Those Stormtroopers are simply amazing. and exactly what I need to build some Skitarii to go with my Knight. However, I don't think the beret really works with the gothic armour, I hope they have enough bits to equip all of them with the masked helmet the leader has.
If you look closely at the box, you'll see that those all wear masks
Data slabs, supplements, mini dexes and digital codexes... I have never understood less about my army as I do now.
Yes, this.
Can't be arsed with 40K anymore. There's too much to wrap your head around.
Agree with this as well. But Flash, I'm guessing you were raised, like me, on a diet of British war films and commando comics! Those new storm troopers are a thing of beauty! GW deserve credit for those models.
That being said, that transport thingy looks a mess. It reminds me to much of the A-team's van. I like the A-team, but those tracks look weird.
I'm conflicted. I have a huge IG army, but I no longer really play. However, just because I haven't played in a year, doesn't mean I don't have an army ready to go, the current codex, and all the models I need to field a modern build.
This new IG book plus supplements is where I'll need to either put up or shut up. I"m looking at A hundred bucks just to get the new rules, far more to add the new models.
Do I cheap out, and only pick up the basic codex? Do I shelf the whole thing? It's tough.
I'd like to see the rest of the bits that come with those stormtroopers.
First impressions were meh, they would make decent vostroyans, get rid of the daft berret and add an even more silly fur hat. So they are growing on me. The tank... thing however ... no, just no.
The truck looks like it was designed with big wheels and someone said "but the IG don't use wheels"...
Anyone else remember a rumor from a couple years back where someone said IG were getting a non-looted version of the Ork truck?-Was that rumor effectively vindicated?
His Master's Voice wrote: I ain't touching that truck. It might be salvageable, but I can either convert or straight up buy a FW replacement at any size.
Once again, the new designers show they don't know how to keep a consistent aesthetic. Pretty much nothing about that vehicle says IG.
That is my thought as well. It doesn't match the aesthetic of any other IG vehicle to date. Its looks as if it was supposed to be apart of a Imperial Knight army or something.
GW seems bound and determined to make a liar out of me; I'll have to see what the other bits that squad comes with but my initial reaction was not good so I suppose it was not "unreservedly" as I claimed. Granted, it might be tainted by the "what the gak is that thing..." from the image just before and after it being further magnified by a...questionable color scheme and/or bad photo. However, with the APC that's $48 that will almost assuredly be staying in the wallet, with a decent chance of the money I'd be thinking about STs staying there as well unless there's some better heads on offer (I *despise* un-helmeted models and beret != helmet). That is certainly not out of the realm of possibility though, so there's yet a chance I suppose.
However, I will say that it is most thoughtful of GW to ensure I have enough money to buy the things I want from other companies without breaking my gaming budget. I don't know why you lot say they don't care about their customers, I think that was quite nice of them!
The Scions look like they're the private bodyguards of a planetary governor or something, rather than members of a regiment that sees frontline service. That's not necessarily bad, but I think, for a lot of people, that means they'll clash aesthetically with what already exists in the standard IG army.
What I can see these being great for are Inquisitorial Henchmen that don't look like guardsmen.
I'm basing that off the big picture of the Scions, the small picture looks like there might be enough helmeted heads to get these guys looking a little more military (like the guy with the pimp stick and cloak in the big picture - his helmet is the only good thing about that model)
Plenty has been said about the track thing. I'll just add that I think it's an even worse mis-step than the Centurions and there are barely words for how much I loathed those.
I think the Scions look the part. They are Imperial regiments as opposed to units raised on distant planets. They look like they're wearing carapace armor culturally from the same place as Sisters of Battle power armor... Which makes sense since they all went to school together. The berets are the only thing that looks out of place but we all know why they did that.
The majority of IG tech is the result of less technologically advance worlds attempting to build relevant armies when they're technologically backwards. ST/Scions are how the IG would be equipped if the Imperium were equipping the IG instead of relying something more of a regional militia organization.
aka_mythos wrote: I think the Scions look the part. They are Imperial regiments as opposed to units raised on distant planets. They look like they're wearing carapace armor culturally from the same place as Sisters of Battle power armor... Which makes sense since they all went to school together. The berets are the only thing that looks out of place but we all know why they did that.
Yeah, it's worth remembering that STs are their own regiments that are then attached to other IG formations so it makes sense they would have their own aesthetic independent of a particular style of IG. I think from the neck down, they look quite nice and do a decent job of holding to the IG motifs.
Well if the years old rumors are true... They have helmets as well as beret heads available for all the scions. You see a few guys with helmets and those aren't bad.
DJGietzen wrote: Any idea if the strorm troopers will be plastic? The pic a fe pages back makes me think the will be finecast/resin
From the looks of the box art they're plastic.
I thought GW had stopped releasing Finecast models anyways? That would be a heck of a lot of different finecast models considering you see a good 6 or 7 in the leaked pic alone, and apparently there a couple more on the leaked box art, as terrible as that photo's quality is.
Aw, I really wished I would be proven wrong by the Taurox, but nope, that's a heinously ugly vehicle. It might have potential, only sprue pictures and 360s will tell for sure.
Well, in a way there IS a consistent aesthetic entering GW:
Chibi Raven, GI Joe Chibi Talon, Ninja Turtle Taurox, Mecha-Godzilla heldrake, Dino-Rider Forge-Fiend, Gundam walkers, ...
The GW design team gets their inspiration from the kids section of Toys'R'Us Just wait for the My Little Pony Rough Riders
Kroothawk wrote: Well, in a way there IS a consistent aesthetic entering GW:
Chibi Raven, GI Joe Chibi Talon, Ninja Turtle Taurox, Mecha-Godzilla heldrake, Dino-Rider Forge-Fiend, Gundam walkers, ...
The GW design team gets their inspiration from the kids section of Toys'R'Us Just wait for the My Little Pony Rough Riders
Haha, a sure sign to stop reading a topic when the comments starts to get ridiculous!
Excuse my MS paint skills, but for the good of the Imperium (or whatever we're called now) I tried to chimera-ize the truckk a little... but the orky tracks really don't help. Maybe it could be converted to a hover-vehicle?
masterdoobie wrote: Excuse my MS paint skills, but for the good of the Imperium (or whatever we're called now) I tried to chimera-ize the truckk a little... but the orky tracks really don't help. Maybe it could be converted to a hover-vehicle?
What really amazes me is the fender things they stuck on the tracks.
Even just flipping them so that the larger part is on the ground would be an improvement.
Why on earth would you have the smaller part of the track in contact with the ground?
MrMoustaffa wrote: Why on earth would you have the smaller part of the track in contact with the ground?
For the same reason most tanks have the front and back of the track chain lifted upwards. It's easier to drive over stuff and you don't want to bury the track under terrain.
I wonder if these Storm Troopers (whatever their new name is) take on a role somewhere between the old Storm Troopers and Arbites. They look more ornate, as if they come from a specific faction that is transported to worlds around the galaxy.
I'll need to see a full 360 of the transport, but I hope that there is a back hatch of some kind. Definitely can see one of these rolling through the ruins of an Imperial city, Storm Troopers jumping out and blasting heretics or alien filth.
Medium of Death wrote: I wonder if these Storm Troopers (whatever their new name is) take on a role somewhere between the old Storm Troopers and Arbites. They look more ornate, as if they come from a specific faction that is transported to worlds around the galaxy.
I'll need to see a full 360 of the transport, but I hope that there is a back hatch of some kind. Definitely can see one of these rolling through the ruins of an Imperial city, Storm Troopers jumping out and blasting heretics or alien filth.
And smashing them with that sweet armored front. It just screams "ROAD-KILL".
The Taurox IMO refers to Taurus -> Bullgryn So its vehicle capable of transporting Ogryns. Also, its IMO big as feth, I guess and those weapons are probably twinliked punishers. I like the idea anti-riot/ security heavy armored transport, just the model should be done better.
Also, I guess, Tempestus will be whole additional army available to imperial armies (as Inquisition) with stormtroopers, ogryns etc.
The stormtroopers interest me the most, so I have to compare similar troops released recently:
Spoiler:
GW - look much better than their older ones, I actually like them a lot.
Dreamforge (not including accessory kit customisations which has about 15-20 trooper and officer heads with hats/caps which can match the GWST berets, individual hands with different hand signals and so on). Likely at least 2 minis to each GW mini price-wise. Also the kits have a lot of options and different poses.
Vic Minis Arcadians (males have finished... females are still coming ; p) Great selection of not-IG weapons coming too). Resin, so relatively pricy - probably similar price per model to GW troops.
Vics troops are a little harder to sell as stormtroopers, though if you add shoulder pads like the old Cadians they could easily pass as stormtroopers imo, with the added benefit of being mixed male/female troops. I still think Eisenkern are without a doubt the best IG stormtrooper option, especially if you pick up an accessory kit to add to the customization. The GW ones do look good - but the (likely) price just doesn't warrant it compared to the alternatives sadly. I'd gladly buy 50 if they weren't marked up so high.
I was originally going to use Unity Council Marines as my stormies but dat kit. I'll have to see the full set of options. They look incredible for Inquisitorial Stormtroopers.
The sad part about that truck is that even if it doesn't really look like a proper IG vehicle, it could still look okay on it's own.
Less garish paint job (clearly intended as an match for the Freelance green Knight) and a more sensible design approach and it's not really that bad of a kit.
I like that a lot better. I think my biggest problmes are it's overall top-heavy nature, the skull on the grill, and the kinda goofy looking tread pods.
Data slabs, supplements, mini dexes and digital codexes... I have never understood less about my army as I do now.
Yes, this.
Can't be arsed with 40K anymore. There's too much to wrap your head around.
I agree, it is way too much. That said, I've really gotten into Kill Team as it is the opposite of the constant release bombardment going on right now. Simple, sensible and balanced rules, quick games and you don't have to take out a second mortgage to build a force. It is the only thing keeping me gaming in the 40k universe.
RobZie wrote: That new Ard case Ork trukk is pretty sweet.
Those were my first thoughts when I saw it. Really nice of GW to throw Ork players a new kit though!
His Master's Voice wrote: The sad part about that truck is that even if it doesn't really look like a proper IG vehicle, it could still look okay on it's own.
Less garish paint job (clearly intended as an match for the Freelance green Knight) and a more sensible design approach and it's not really that bad of a kit.
Maybe replace turret with a chimera/Leman russ so we get more IG tech .
Edit it needs some WW2 German view ports added as windows.
If they had just made it about 30% longer (stretched out horizontally in MSpaint), it wouldn't be too bad. You'd still have to take off the stupid quad tracks and replace them with dollar store construction vehicle tires but at least it wouldn't be a overly garish chibi vehicle. I wonder if chapterhouse will come out with an extended cab version like they did with the Storm Raven.
The Slo-Cat looks like it's up on tip-toe. As others have said, it could look better with the track pods flipped so the shorter sides are on top. Wheels would be even better though.
I think it's salvageable with a de-blinging and some kind of drab paint scheme.
It's a pity you need to buy another book to field them. Well, I'm assuming that, anyway. It would be pretty stupid, but considering that GW has discovered DLC...
It's a pity you need to buy another book to field them.
They are part of the Guard surely? With the Other book just being a purely Stormtrooper force?
I hope so. As I said in my edit, I'm assuming that. It would be pretty stupid design wise, but this the same company who charged 25 pounds for a book that contained rules for 2 models.
I happen to like the new truck. Is that a twin-linked multilaser I spy?
It would be pretty stupid design wise, but this the same company that charged 25 pounds for a book that contained rules for 2 models.
One model with two weapon loadouts. The knights as a kit are no more two models than a heavy bolter sponson predator is a lascannon predator. I know it's semantics but it shows GW's current design ethos more accuratelt to not double it.
Necroagogo wrote: The Slo-Cat looks like it's up on tip-toe. As others have said, it could look better with the track pods flipped so the shorter sides are on top. Wheels would be even better though.
I think it's salvageable with a de-blinging and some kind of drab paint scheme.
You are right, with a de-blinging, a proper paint scheme, and perhaps a bit of extra length added it would look much better. At that point you could even add wheels, but as others have said, isn't that just an example of a really bad miniature? If you want to change most things about the design itself to make it passable, it really looks like the original designers have failed horribly.
Wow. I echo most of the sentiments in this thread. GW went from the Imperial Knights to this load of steaming hot bullcrap. Scions, despite being okay sculpts don't fit the aesthetic at all. 99% of players just wanted a modern high quality plastic take on the Kasrkins, but instead we got some random guys with berets.
As far as the Taurox (what a ridiculous name -- once again GW outdoes itself) is concerned, it's probably the most hideous vehicle GW has released in a long time. The only explanation I can think of is that they looked at the Chimera and Leman Russ and realised that (non-FW) IG tanks have always been the ugliest and most nonsensical models in the entire GW vehicle range and decided to keep up with the theme of being horrible.
My problem isn't just the model either. I simply can't see why any IG player would want a new transport as the one new unit that gets added in this four year cycle. It's most likely absolutely useless in any even remotely competitive setting. My bet is that it has AV13 in front and sides, some stupid four or six shot autocannon, and a near 200 point points cost. Whoopdy-doo. How innovative. How exciting.
You are right, with a de-blinging, a proper paint scheme, and perhaps a bit of extra length added it would look much better. At that point you could even add wheels, but as others have said, isn't that just an example of a really bad miniature?
Exactly. "Yeah this model isn't so bad if you throw away half the parts it comes with and buy new ones from elsewhere and overall put about 10 hours of conversion work into it". That's what you can do to every single awful model to transform it into something passable, but it won't be the same model anymore. The original model is god awful no matter how you spin it.
What the heck is up with GW's idea that vehicles need to be as tall as possible? The Leman Russ looks absolutely idiotic for a MBT, being about as tall as it is wide, and this new abomination is even worse. I'm flabbergasted that in 2014 a model company can release this Taurox as a military vehicle with a straight face.
warboss wrote: If they had just made it about 30% longer (stretched out horizontally in MSpaint), it wouldn't be too bad. You'd still have to take off the stupid quad tracks and replace them with dollar store construction vehicle tires but at least it wouldn't be a overly garish chibi vehicle. I wonder if chapterhouse will come out with an extended cab version like they did with the Storm Raven.
Actually, it's interesting that you should mention the Storm Raven. It's probably similar in that the need to squeeze it onto a certain number of sprues and box size came before actually making the thing look half decent.
But, in any case it will probably have good rules for the points cost. People will still buy it even if it looks like a tonka truck.
warboss wrote: If they had just made it about 30% longer (stretched out horizontally in MSpaint), it wouldn't be too bad. You'd still have to take off the stupid quad tracks and replace them with dollar store construction vehicle tires but at least it wouldn't be a overly garish chibi vehicle. I wonder if chapterhouse will come out with an extended cab version like they did with the Storm Raven.
Actually, it's interesting that you should mention the Storm Raven. It's probably similar in that the need to squeeze it onto a certain number of sprues and box size came before actually making the thing look half decent.
But, in any case it will probably have good rules for the points cost. People will still buy it even if it looks like a tonka truck.
What makes you think it will have good rules? GW's track record with giving new units passable rules is fifty fifty or worse.
While it's true that the Taurux doens't really blend in with the IG aesthetic, that just opens the door to all matter of third party counts as. I mean, at the end of the day, it's just an armored car with a turret. Not hard to create.
tyrannosaurus wrote: What are the Scions getting out of in the pic that was released? Is that just a Valkyrie?
Looks like it.
I think the Imperial War Van will look great in winterized olive drab next to my Valhallans. That thing looks like it could handle some Valhallan tundra.
Wow, what a strange turn of events the IG have had.
Not really feeling that snowcat. Looks kinda lame, for a IG vehicle. Kinda like some sort of G.I.Joe vehicle from back in the day converted over for a 40K one.
Not a very good vehicle at all, whats up with the tire snow treads? That just doesn't look like it belongs in the 40K game at all.
Basically I'm ready to call this IG release a flop already based on what we've seen. We'll get the Ogryns still, which are probably Ogre Kingdoms Maneaters with ripper guns, but even if they were the best sculpts in the world it'd still be the worst codex relaunch of the 5th and 6th edition. A couple of non-competive and ugly units noone wanted or needed for exorbitant prices.
While it's true that the Taurux doens't really blend in with the IG aesthetic, that just opens the door to all matter of third party counts as. I mean, at the end of the day, it's just an armored car with a turret. Not hard to create.
Except of course for the fact that for your counts-as model to be legal it has to have the same dimensions for line of sight and cover and targeting, and no future APC would have the dimensions of that abomination.
While it's true that the Taurux doens't really blend in with the IG aesthetic, that just opens the door to all matter of third party counts as. I mean, at the end of the day, it's just an armored car with a turret. Not hard to create.
Except of course for the fact that for your counts-as model to be legal it has to have the same dimensions for line of sight and cover and targeting, and no future APC would have the dimensions of that abomination.
I thought of that. If need be, I will literally put the samn thing on a raised base.
We'll see how many of them are needed, if any, to build the armies I want to play.
It's a pity you need to buy another book to field them.
Well, I'm assuming that, anyway. It would be pretty stupid, but considering that GW has discovered DLC...
To be honest its probably for fielding an army of scions(storm troopers). Remember legion of the damned, they are in the space marine codex but they just got their own supplement for additional rules. I feel it will be the same for these guys as well.
Also sorry if this was already discussed (im not reading through 19pages) but the pic of the scions coming from the back of a valkyrie looks as if its a command squad no? on the far right there is what look to be a vox caster, to the left of him a bit there looks to be a medic, theres a standard bearer and the commander. The models are very nice and if there really are all the bits for these in the one 5 man box the $35 price tag doesnt seem terrible.
It's a pity you need to buy another book to field them.
Well, I'm assuming that, anyway. It would be pretty stupid, but considering that GW has discovered DLC...
To be honest its probably for fielding an army of scions(storm troopers). Remember legion of the damned, they are in the space marine codex but they just got their own supplement for additional rules. I feel it will be the same for these guys as well.
Also sorry if this was already discussed (im not reading through 19pages) but the pic of the scions coming from the back of a valkyrie looks as if its a command squad no? on the far right there is what look to be a vox caster, to the left of him a bit there looks to be a medic, theres a standard bearer and the commander. The models are very nice and if there really are all the bits for these in the one 5 man box the $35 price tag doesnt seem terrible.
It looks like the Scions in the tiny WD picture with prices have helmeted heads. It would give the box even more options and would change my opinion on the feasibility of the kit. The lego truck is still horrible though. Sculpted by Dale Stringer and Tom Watson. Are they unpaid interns?
It's a pity you need to buy another book to field them.
Well, I'm assuming that, anyway. It would be pretty stupid, but considering that GW has discovered DLC...
To be honest its probably for fielding an army of scions(storm troopers). Remember legion of the damned, they are in the space marine codex but they just got their own supplement for additional rules. I feel it will be the same for these guys as well.
Also sorry if this was already discussed (im not reading through 19pages) but the pic of the scions coming from the back of a valkyrie looks as if its a command squad no? on the far right there is what look to be a vox caster, to the left of him a bit there looks to be a medic, theres a standard bearer and the commander. The models are very nice and if there really are all the bits for these in the one 5 man box the $35 price tag doesnt seem terrible.
An all stormtrooper army has a lot of possibilities for radical inquistitorial strike forces as well.
Also sorry if this was already discussed (im not reading through 19pages) but the pic of the scions coming from the back of a valkyrie looks as if its a command squad no? on the far right there is what look to be a vox caster, to the left of him a bit there looks to be a medic, theres a standard bearer and the commander. The models are very nice and if there really are all the bits for these in the one 5 man box the $35 price tag doesnt seem terrible.
The Scions box can be made as a "Militarum Tempestus Scion Squad" or "Militarum Tempestus Command Squad", so you're right that it's a Command Squad.
I'm just interested in what the write up about the new post truck will be like. I mean the stormraven is supposed to be supersonic capable of mach "insert big number here" what awesome and amazing speed will postman pats super speed wagon be capable of...
Inquisitor Jex wrote: The funniest thing is not the Tonka truck or the horrid name change. but the fact that the new storm trooper uses a grenade launcher.
What, no plasma/melta/flamer with that kit yet again?
Look at the front page and the White Dwarf "box" photo for the unit.
it seems that the pricing have gone full slow. Storm troopers are less expansive in Canada than Australia, while the vehicule is more expansive in Canada than Australia. Doesn't make any sense at all
Except of course for the fact that for your counts-as model to be legal....
Legal, there is legislation for proxies now? You can keep your tournament 'laws' to yourself, there is absolutely nothing preventing proxies in 40k nor any other wargame.
personally if I use one of the (IF!) I will be using a BA-10 model.
I don't mind the ST berets but their proportions just don't look right, even worse than normal I mean.
insaniak wrote: I'm wondering if the 'Tempestus' tag suggests they're looking at different books for the military forces from different parts of the Imperium... One for each segmentum.
I think the "soldiers of storm" translation is probably more accurate. If you call them storm troopers you can't sue anyone who tries to use the name, if you put the name into google translate and claim ownership of it your legal department will be a lot happier. And so what if it sounds stupid, BUY GW PRODUCTS.
But this also means that competing companies can that much more easily go whole hog and call their products "Imperial Guard" and "Storm Troopers." Not that you couldn't before, but now GW is even abandoning what it says it owns. So go nuts people. Once GW puts out Codex: Astra Militarum, use Imperial Guard all you like.
Forget getting a better view of the Taurox, I want to know what shooting profile that twinlinked gun has.
I probably shouldn't be optimistic given that the last two times I saw a minigun (please don't kill me If I'm wrong) style weapon, the Grey Knight Psilencer and the Dark Talon Mega Bolter, I was extremely disappointed to find out the profiles for both sucked.
Surely they can't screw it up again? Surely its going to be actually better than a TL heavy bolter? Please?
Mr.Omega wrote: Forget getting a better view of the Taurox, I want to know what shooting profile that twinlinked gun has.
I probably shouldn't be optimistic given that the last two times I saw a minigun (please don't kill me If I'm wrong) style weapon, the Grey Knight Psilencer and the Dark Talon Mega Bolter, I was extremely disappointed to find out the profiles for both sucked.
Surely they can't screw it up again? Surely its going to be actually better than a TL heavy bolter? Please?
I doubt it's a twinlinked punisher, as even the LRBT only mounts a single punisher in its (much larger) turret.
It really, really, looks like a twin linked assault cannon, which would make this the first IG (or, I guess, AM) unit to mount an assault cannon since second edition. (the Marauder bomber mounts a TL-AC as its rear gun, but that's Navy, not guard).
It could be a new weapon, but I'd be surprised. The iconic weapon family for IG are las-weapons (and to a more specific extent grenade launchers and autocannons), and I'd bet that any new weapon for IG would be built around laser tech. This ain't a laser, so I'm gonna go with Assault Cannon.
My birthday is ruined... I was so excited seeing this on Faiet this morning, especially after rumours of it being inspired by forgeworlds' Malcador tanks. I love my guard and this really makes me sad... its just such a missed opportunity for a new bad ass apc. Every time GW release a kit is should wow people like the Knight release otherwise people really have to question why they are paying a premium for this crap.
They've been multi-barrel cannon happy lately.
Storm talons, Forgefiends with the Hades, Riptide's HBC, and even the Deathshroud speeder had one in the worst possible spot.
Polonius wrote: It really, really, looks like a twin linked assault cannon, which would make this the first IG (or, I guess, AM) unit to mount an assault cannon since second edition. (the Marauder bomber mounts a TL-AC as its rear gun, but that's Navy, not guard).
Are you sure it's the Navy anymore? It might be the Astra Aqua ad Absurdum (or AAA for short) now.
VikingChild wrote: The Taurox does look better now I've seen a bigger/better res pic of it, but the track configuration still looks daft to me, rip 'em all off and give it eight chunky armoured tyres
Reminds me more of a support type vehicle than a fighting one though, like a Morris with tracks, apologies if anyone else has made this point, I went to bed last night when the thread was up to 8 pages and I've just fallen back into it!
still, for those converters out there who just can't leave a 'stock' model alone it'll be fun to see what can be done with it
Yeah, like a cross between an MRAP and a Stryker or LAV-25.
Still going to need some of the bling scraped off too, though.
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Kroothawk wrote: GW legal found out that the name Wydivgür0iguanübg08zcz8zrnudru6bx is not yet copyrighted (and no location in Wales ), just in time before the new Ork Codex cover goes to print
Also: Imagine posters and recruiters on an Imperial agro-world:
"Peasants and illiterates: Join the Astra Militarum!"
*chirp chirp*
"Folks: Join the Imperial Guard!"
"Yeah!" "Hooray!" "Here we go!"
Waiting to see if the next SM codex is retitled to "Adeptus Astartes"
In theory, this new truck is for the Ogryns, right? The big beefy guys with shortlil' legs? If so... why did they jack it up so high? The boarding ladder is nightmarish for Ogryns, and the door hatch is so very, VERY small that they'd never fit.
Ogryns need this, more or less:
Armored, well-armed, wheels protected, driver and gunner protected, turret on the top for firepower but also side-mounted guns for a proper "Broadside", and most important of all:
A rear-mounted assault ramp for embarking/disembarking that's large enough for even an Ogryn to fit through (with a little head-ducking) and doesn't trip their stubby-legged selves in the process.
That's not even going into the issue of a turret that can't rotate, blind spots, or general top-heaviness. If this is some sort of riot-supression vehicle, it's gonna get pushed over in *seconds*. GW should be able to do so much better.
Data slabs, supplements, mini dexes and digital codexes... I have never understood less about my army as I do now.
Yes, this.
Can't be arsed with 40K anymore. There's too much to wrap your head around.
Agree with this as well. But Flash, I'm guessing you were raised, like me, on a diet of British war films and commando comics! Those new storm troopers are a thing of beauty! GW deserve credit for those models.
That being said, that transport thingy looks a mess. It reminds me to much of the A-team's van. I like the A-team, but those tracks look weird.
Great. Now I have an idea for what to do if I ever build an Inquisitor and his retinue, complete with black Taurox with a red stripe.
Kroothawk wrote: GW legal found out that the name Wydivgür0iguanübg08zcz8zrnudru6bx is not yet copyrighted (and no location in Wales ), just in time before the new Ork Codex cover goes to print
Also: Imagine posters and recruiters on an Imperial agro-world:
"Peasants and illiterates: Join the Astra Militarum!"
*chirp chirp*
"Folks: Join the Imperial Guard!"
"Yeah!" "Hooray!" "Here we go!"
Waiting to see if the next SM codex is retitled to "Adeptus Astartes"
GW has a copyright on Space Marine remember?
I was hoping the new name was just gonna be the insetting faux-Latin name rather than the actual Codex one.
Polonius wrote: It really, really, looks like a twin linked assault cannon, which would make this the first IG (or, I guess, AM) unit to mount an assault cannon since second edition. (the Marauder bomber mounts a TL-AC as its rear gun, but that's Navy, not guard).
Are you sure it's the Navy anymore? It might be the Astra Aqua ad Absurdum (or AAA for short) now.
BrookM wrote: Interesting that these new Scion lads and their transport use the Thunderbolt symbol, that's something that belongs to the Steel Legion.
I think they just found a box of 2nd edition marine transfers.
Is that a gun mounted on the side of the Taurox or just stowage?
That symbol is a campaign army badge, that as you said, has been used by a variety of Imperial Forces since 2nd Edition (possibly before, but I'd have to go check my White Dwarfs).
Ok, so Militarum Tempestus Scions are Storm Troopers or Super Storm Troopers? The kit is Scions/ Command Squad, but not a Militarum Tempestus Scion Command Squad.
So will there be a different Militarum Tempustus box?
I'm going to have to reserve my opinion on the truck; at first glance it looks like a monstrous affront to good taste and the human eyeball, and not in a "so-bad-it's-good"/OTT-grimdark way. Buuuut, I'm not sure how much of that is down to three relatively minor aspects; the stupid skull-grill(which takes the other fairly interesting gothic design elements like the headlights too far), the ridiculous squarewheel mini-treads, and that awful, awful, awful paintjob. Turquoise, red, gold, AND dark-green? *vom*
I don't know what's going on with the "Weather Army Sons" or whatever the new stupid name for Stormtroopers is. Packaging them as a dual-box with the command squad seems like nothing more than a cynical excuse to charge ludicrous amounts of money for them. I get that the beret heads were an attempt to harken back to the 2nd Edition plastics, but they just seem completely out of place on models with such ornate armour, and if the helmeted alternate heads look anything like the one on the character figure in that picture - ugh.
So far, this is a huge anticlimax after the Knights.
Forgeworld will change their pull down website menus and bag stickers and FFG will simply copy paste the new name into upcoming titles (although I'd doubt they'd change it in existing published ones). My two cents.
The grill has lions on it, as does the Scions banner, so I assume there will be other grill options, along with the lion side plate.
Little bit annoyed as I was going to be using a lion rampant throughout my IG. Now I will go with my second choice, a drunk badger flipping everyone off affronte.
Sort of holding out for their being a box of 10 Tempestus Militarum/ Veterans, now that I think about it. We might be seeing Storm Troopers as troops or elites and Scions as elites or an upgrade to elite Storm Troopers. It would fit with the Cadian and Catachan box set up.
BrookM wrote: Interesting that these new Scion lads and their transport use the Thunderbolt symbol, that's something that belongs to the Steel Legion.
The old 2nd Ed. Beret Storm Troopers came with a decal sheet that had the Lightning Bolts on them. It's like they are using both that symbol and the berets to tie them in, in a way.
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Polonius wrote: I'm conflicted. I have a huge IG army, but I no longer really play. However, just because I haven't played in a year, doesn't mean I don't have an army ready to go, the current codex, and all the models I need to field a modern build.
This new IG book plus supplements is where I'll need to either put up or shut up. I"m looking at A hundred bucks just to get the new rules, far more to add the new models.
Do I cheap out, and only pick up the basic codex? Do I shelf the whole thing? It's tough.
Exactly my feelings as well. And frankly, I'm probably not getting much new toy wise. I'll probably just stick with the 'dex at first.
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