People have been asking for infantry models, so here some are.

I actually like both characters quite a bit, just dont play either Legion. If they made an Ultramarine...

I wonder if these Decurions will interact with the Armored Spearhead rite of battle.

Resin upgrade characters for the plastic kits could also go in other directions- a majority of legions have foot and terminator praetors (SW need a terminator, TS need a foot, Salamanders, Iron Hands, World Eaters, Iron Warriors, Raven Guard need both) but they could start making Praetor models that fit on the plastic Jetbikes

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Bobug wrote:

 morganfreeman wrote:
“Spend points and a reaction to double tap with your pintle mounted bolter!”

Glad to see the devs continuing to making vehicles utter garbage.

Or you know, fire 8 multi melta shots and 80 volkite shots with your predator squadron

Or you know, read what the rule actually says.

He'd get the volkite as they are defensive weapons and it says the unit which contains this model. A Predator Squadron is a unit, which contains the model. Is a predator the best place for a Character, probably not, but if he wants to.

It also says only the pintle weapons get double shots but what do I know.

You can pintle mount multi-meltas, so that's not bad.

Finally an assault cannon for my BA vehicles.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Ho boy. The Defensor's rules are outrageously terrible. If devs thought that was worth paying points for, we might as well call it quits now and only play with the stuff that's already out.

Considering the expense of the game, the slapdash and unpredictable quality of GW rules remains unreasonable. They either don't care about writing anything resembling acceptable rules, or their writers are so staggeringly stupid that they think they're doing a good job. I can't decide which would be worse.

Ignore!

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Bobug wrote:

 morganfreeman wrote:
“Spend points and a reaction to double tap with your pintle mounted bolter!”

Glad to see the devs continuing to making vehicles utter garbage.

Or you know, fire 8 multi melta shots and 80 volkite shots with your predator squadron

Or you know, read what the rule actually says.

He'd get the volkite as they are defensive weapons and it says the unit which contains this model. A Predator Squadron is a unit, which contains the model. Is a predator the best place for a Character, probably not, but if he wants to.

It also says only the pintle weapons get double shots but what do I know.

So it does, but then the Multimeltas would get 8 shots. Or you'd use Heavy Bolters or for BA and IF Assault Cannons and you would have lots of shots in the reaction.

Ignore this post. Well, ignore it slightly more than normal.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Bobug wrote:

 morganfreeman wrote:
“Spend points and a reaction to double tap with your pintle mounted bolter!”

Glad to see the devs continuing to making vehicles utter garbage.

Or you know, fire 8 multi melta shots and 80 volkite shots with your predator squadron

Or you know, read what the rule actually says.

He'd get the volkite as they are defensive weapons and it says the unit which contains this model. A Predator Squadron is a unit, which contains the model. Is a predator the best place for a Character, probably not, but if he wants to.

It also says only the pintle weapons get double shots but what do I know.

Yeah my bad, apologies!

To be clear, infantry are soldiers that march and fight on foot. So, unless these dudes get out and both walk and battle next to their tanks, they ain't infantry.

Dragoons do more infantry stuff than these marines, and they ain't considered infantry either.

Cerebus and Venator on pre-order next week.

I think that’s the last of the previewed plastic?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Cerebus and Venator on pre-order next week.

I think that’s the last of the previewed plastic?

Still got the Vindicator

Neato, I've been waiting for the Cerberus. Never wanted to deal with the resin kit but this I'll go for.

 Matrindur wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Cerebus and Venator on pre-order next week.

I think that’s the last of the previewed plastic?

Still got the Vindicator

Ah yes! Of course.

Was browsing forgeworld, and noticed that I couldn't find any upgrade weapons for the terminators. I imagine they've been MIA for awhile now, but I wonder if we'll eventually get some plastic versions.

Speaking of FW, the Phoenix Spear set has the option to equip a terminator with one. Are the arms (not the hands) part of the standard plastic kit? I don't think the set comes with the arm bits, but I'm not sure that the hands can attach to anything in the plastic kit (and there aren't resin arms any more, if they ever even existed)

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Legion-Tartaros-Terminator-Power-Axes-Set-2020
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Cataphractii-Power-Axe-Upgrade
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Cataphractii-Iliastus-Pattern-Assault-Cannon
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Cataphractii-Special-Weapons-Upgrade-Set-2016

Here ye! Here ye! All you loyalist psyker fans.




Too bad that he is once again, MkVI.

Looks weird painted like a lemon, but the model looks decent. And the alt head actually looks pretty good.

Hope this is on sale at Warhammerfest

He's neat. I don't think we had a Mk6 libby before. He should get that stigmata looked at by an Apothecary.

That said, plastic assault marines, etc.

From the article:

Alas, this is the last we’ll see from Heresy Thursday for a short while, as Legions both Traitor and Loyalist take time to rest and replenish their forces. There’ll still be some major reveals to see at Warhammer Fest in just two weeks’ time, and Heresy Thursday will return to its regular slot later this year with more reveals for Warhammer: The Horus Heresy.

In the meantime, there’s an Exemplary Battles article coming very soon featuring a download of the much-anticipated Imperialis Militia army list, and a little further down the line is the full army list for the Daemons of the Ruinstorm.

I guess they got tired of facebook comments every Thursday being filled with requests for assault marines.

Maybe they should have released the bloody assault marines then!

Or every unit for now that are coming soon enough are out. They don't reveal too far ahead

 Snrub wrote:
Maybe they should have released the bloody assault marines then!

Hey now let' not get kuh-ray-zee

My totally baseless hope: at Fest they say they're just putting HH on hold for the 40k reboot and reveal a new big box (with assault marines) that's coming in fall. I think that would be a healthy way to make people wait calmly, so obviously they won't do it.

 Snrub wrote:
Maybe they should have released the bloody assault marines then!

Then they'll just get non-stop complaints about X unit not being released.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Snrub wrote:
Maybe they should have released the bloody assault marines then!

Hey now let' not get kuh-ray-zee

My totally baseless hope: at Fest they say they're just putting HH on hold for the 40k reboot and reveal a new big box (with assault marines) that's coming in fall. I think that would be a healthy way to make people wait calmly, so obviously they won't do it.

They should just release a roadmap for the game, like they do with other sidegames. Their 'Security by Obscurity' approach is totally anachronistic.

So Epic HH is coming and HH2.0 plastic allocations are all out for the time being.

That's it, I'm selling my HH rulebook.. oh wait, I already sold it when I got the epub versions!

 lord_blackfang wrote:

My totally baseless hope: at Fest they say they're just putting HH on hold for the 40k reboot and reveal a new big box (with assault marines) that's coming in fall. I think that would be a healthy way to make people wait calmly, so obviously they won't do it.

Age of Darkness V2: Space Wolves vs World Eaters. 2 new plastic characters, 40 plastic Despoilers, 20 plastic Breachers, some sort of tank, and a CC Contemptor.

I quite like that model, though I do remain a bit baffled that marine characters are not getting plastic. Axe needs replacing with something a bit more interesting though.

I'm usually all for clean, uncluttered sculpts but that is one impressively boring model. Think it's probably just the pose.

beast_gts wrote:
From the article:

Alas, this is the last we’ll see from Heresy Thursday for a short while, as Legions both Traitor and Loyalist take time to rest and replenish their forces. There’ll still be some major reveals to see at Warhammer Fest in just two weeks’ time, and Heresy Thursday will return to its regular slot later this year with more reveals for Warhammer: The Horus Heresy.

In the meantime, there’s an Exemplary Battles article coming very soon featuring a download of the much-anticipated Imperialis Militia army list, and a little further down the line is the full army list for the Daemons of the Ruinstorm.

I wonder what the upcoming Thursday ritual over at the Warhammer Community will be...

Titanicus Thursdays!

 Snrub wrote:
Too bad that he is once again, MkVI.

Is he? If he is, that's like Mk.VI+. It's so chunky. That armour is to Mk.VI what Gravis is to Mk.X.

Armor looks normal size, just the Turian collar throws off the normal proportions around head.

He’s…unexpectedly plain. And I think I like it.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
He’s…unexpectedly plain. And I think I like it.

I think it's deliberate: the 30k Librarians still hold to the idea of doing 'sciency' warp/psy stuff, while the Esoterists are already at the goat-head staff and eery crystals stage of realizing what they're dealing with.

Agh I just snagged the traitor consul helmet yesterday. Oh well. The model is plain but still cool. The lack of psychic hood is weird. I know they’re not necessary but you think a loyalist would take more precautions. Unless the coke is the hood? I may not need to even convert to the AoD praetors since they both have them

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
He’s…unexpectedly plain. And I think I like it.

So do I.

I have the Age of Darkness box but was lacking inspiration.

This model and the Fafnir Rann I picked up means I'm looking at a small Imperial Fist force. I've done UMs to death previously using the Calth and Prospero boxes and the various Contrast paints available mean I'm no longer scared of painting a yellow army.

He's so much better than the plastic Mk 7 librarian, whose shoulder-cherub is just way too extra, and he's not even standing on a tactical f-ing rock!

I think it’s fine.

It’s wild to me that since they started doing Praetors for each legion years ago, there’s been a big second edition with unprecedented model support, and a weekly reveal article that’s been pretty clearly running out of things to show towards the end, and there are still a handful of legions that we’ve not seen specific praetor models for.

Iron Hands, Salamanders, World eaters and Raven Guard are the holdouts roght?

JimmyWolf87 wrote:
I'm usually all for clean, uncluttered sculpts but that is one impressively boring model. Think it's probably just the pose.

I think its mostly the paint job. The blue upon blue upon blue doesn't contrast well with the eye-biting yellow, plus all the other minor accent colors.

Though the thikk cloak is, as usual, not doing any favors. (I'm honestly not sure if the loincloth and cloak are separate pieces or not, and that's disturbing).

I like the Librarian. Very cool model. Shame it is resin.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Iron Hands, Salamanders, World eaters and Raven Guard are the holdouts roght?

Off the top of my head yeah, although the Iron Hands do have an Iron Father sculpt which is Praetor-adjacent, and Space Wolves only have the (rubbish) Terminator one, no power armour one (Thousand Sons too actually although I like their one).

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Iron Hands, Salamanders, World eaters and Raven Guard are the holdouts roght?

And Iron Warriors. IIRC space wolves need a Terminator version and Thousand sons need a non terminator. They they can start doing (jet)bike and jump versions for everyone. Plus only like 4 or 5 legions have Leviathan dreadnoughts.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Iron Hands, Salamanders, World eaters and Raven Guard are the holdouts roght?

And Iron Warriors. IIRC space wolves need a Terminator version and Thousand sons need a non terminator. They they can start doing (jet)bike and jump versions for everyone. Plus only like 4 or 5 legions have Leviathan dreadnoughts.

Space Wolves have their Terminator, they lack a Power Armor one.

Although they may as well redo the terminator one while they’re there…

There's clearly a narrative to be forged here, where the nerdy Librarian is being bullied by the chad plastic Consuls, who have stolen all of his bling.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
There's clearly a narrative to be forged here, where the nerdy Librarian is being bullied by the chad plastic Consuls, who have stolen all of his bling.

All the bling was confiscated at Nikea.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
There's clearly a narrative to be forged here, where the nerdy Librarian is being bullied by the chad plastic Consuls, who have stolen all of his bling.

All the bling was confiscated at Nikea.

Reformation.... iconoclasm... HERESY!

sectarian jokes aside. it's a meh model. Meh,

 tauist wrote:
So Epic HH is coming and HH2.0 plastic allocations are all out for the time being.

That's it, I'm selling my HH rulebook.. oh wait, I already sold it when I got the epub versions!

This would be EPIC news if true.


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 Shadow Walker wrote:
I like the Librarian. Very cool model. Shame it is resin.

Agreed. This mean available via Forge World? If so hard pass.

If in doubt you could always snag some extra bits from the grey knights box? Give them a bit of extra libraian flair. or a hood should you want it.

Admittedly that does go down the route of just using a grey knight as your consul.

I really like that Librarian - I'm actually tempted to pick one up as a 40k Libby, if I remember.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Snrub wrote:
Maybe they should have released the bloody assault marines then!

Hey now let' not get kuh-ray-zee

My totally baseless hope: at Fest they say they're just putting HH on hold for the 40k reboot and reveal a new big box (with assault marines) that's coming in fall. I think that would be a healthy way to make people wait calmly, so obviously they won't do it.

They should just release a roadmap for the game, like they do with other sidegames. Their 'Security by Obscurity' approach is totally anachronistic.

THIS. Seriously, I don't care if assault marines aren't due till DEC if I KNOW that they are in the works. I can plan/save. This whole, "Ya, no, we're keeping anything long term hidden", is par for the course at GW and brutally stupid.

Lovely looking mini but a shame it is in resin. The uncluttered look works well with the rest of the Heresy line.

Not sure I like the lack of hood, but they're not hard to jimmy up from a pauldron.

Not even releasing those 'stop gap' assault arms yet?
Jeez, how long do we have to wait.

I guess GW have their project releases all mapped out and we just have to keep on waiting till the game is dead. All ready for the new HH v3.0 with assault marines in 2 years time.
:-(

#losing-interest

So do people just not kitbash nowadays or what?

You can't kitbash a Mk7 jump pack into anything that would look like it belongs in 30k.

You absolutely can.

Zephon's jump pack is just a fancy Mk7 pack and he wears Mk6 armour. On top of that, the Chaos Raptor packs are Heresy designs and easy to de-Chaos. For Chainswords and Bolt Pistols, there are how many different kits that provide them? It's not like we're pre-Black Book Heresy trying to get as many Heresy pattern helmets as possible from the 4 plastic kits that had them.
Outside of GW products, there are plenty of sellers who make compatible bits people could use.
It's never about finding solutions, it's always just about complaining as much as possible.

 Gert wrote:
It's never about finding solutions, it's always just about complaining as much as possible.

Or it's always just about defending the brand your personality revolves around? I got plenty of solutions, the biggest one is called a Saturn 2. It's GW that needs a solution to stop losing sales over asinine reasons such as refusing to provide a basic troop unit that half the factions need to function.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Gert wrote:
It's never about finding solutions, it's always just about complaining as much as possible.

Or it's always just about defending the brand your personality revolves around? I got plenty of solutions, the biggest one is called a Saturn 2. It's GW that needs a solution to stop losing sales over asinine reasons such as refusing to provide a basic troop unit that half the factions need to function.

It's GW that needs a solution to stop losing sales over ridiculous reasons, such as refusing to provide a plastic basic troop unit for each faction in Horus Heresy.

Marines can sit down.

How is explicitly saying "Just go to other places" defending GW?
Just because I'm not going for GW every single week doesn't mean I'm defending the company. If people won't take advice and fix their issues then they shouldn't be endlessly complaining. Just my opinion.

I like the look of the Librarian model, but didn't the Imperial Fists not use their Librarians during the Heresy? Why is he then painted that way? Also, making the model resin is a big L.

Dorn had whatever Librarians he had within his immediate ranks kept safe on the Phalanx for the inevitable Siege of Terra.
There were portions of the Legion that never got to Terra and fought elsewhere. When the reality of the Heresy became clear, many ex-Librarians donned their wargear again to combat the Daemons summoned by the Traitors.
The reason the model is painted as an Imperial Fist is because its one of the marketing Legions. The SoH got the Esoterist and the Fists get the Librarian.

 Gert wrote:

Zephon's jump pack is just a fancy Mk7 pack and he wears Mk6 armour. On top of that, the Chaos Raptor packs are Heresy designs and easy to de-Chaos. For Chainswords and Bolt Pistols, there are how many different kits that provide them? It's not like we're pre-Black Book Heresy trying to get as many Heresy pattern helmets as possible from the 4 plastic kits that had them.
Outside of GW products, there are plenty of sellers who make compatible bits people could use.
It's never about finding solutions, it's always just about complaining as much as possible.

Personally, my issue is with not knowing what the MKVI jump packs are going to look like.

We can guess and extrapolate, but various armor marks often times have dramatically different gear appearance wise. While some bits I'd argue are trivial (the right chainsword / chain axe with the mk) and easily explained away, I feel jump packs are large enough - and often times different enough to - to warrant care.

Especially because HH is a 'historical' game, so part of the fun (imo) is matching up the gear to make it "accurate".

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
I like the look of the Librarian model, but didn't the Imperial Fists not use their Librarians during the Heresy? Why is he then painted that way? Also, making the model resin is a big L.

Sons of Horus better scheme? After all it's one of the two.

Horus is on the traitor side, and this is a loyalist specific model.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Horus is on the traitor side, and this is a loyalist specific model.

Then again, one of the features of the Heresy is there are elements of every Legion on both sides.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Horus is on the traitor side, and this is a loyalist specific model.

Which means it was always going to be if.

If or soh. If it's not sof then if.

He asked why if, it was if or soh.

I think this Librarian is very uninspired. Not bad, just mediocre.

It’s clear to me that GW are stretched thin when it comes to HH. We keep hearing that their production capacity is maxed out, and these stopgap resin releases seem to confirm it.

 Snord wrote:
I think this Librarian is very uninspired. Not bad, just mediocre.

It’s clear to me that GW are stretched thin when it comes to HH. We keep hearing that their production capacity is maxed out, and these stopgap resin releases seem to confirm it.

All the more reason, to maybee attempt to give us an roadmap, whilest also finally providing the cult&milita aswell as daemons PDF's that have been promised. Because even if the Plan looks bad from a community perspective, the goodwill for the latter will surely pad out hard feelings enough and honesty is a refreshingly effective communication tool, especially if done with respect to their community.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Horus is on the traitor side, and this is a loyalist specific model.

No it isn't, librarians are available to all the legions. They even mention using him as a diabolist in the article


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 morganfreeman wrote:

 Gert wrote:

Zephon's jump pack is just a fancy Mk7 pack and he wears Mk6 armour. On top of that, the Chaos Raptor packs are Heresy designs and easy to de-Chaos. For Chainswords and Bolt Pistols, there are how many different kits that provide them? It's not like we're pre-Black Book Heresy trying to get as many Heresy pattern helmets as possible from the 4 plastic kits that had them.
Outside of GW products, there are plenty of sellers who make compatible bits people could use.
It's never about finding solutions, it's always just about complaining as much as possible.

Personally, my issue is with not knowing what the MKVI jump packs are going to look like.

We can guess and extrapolate, but various armor marks often times have dramatically different gear appearance wise. While some bits I'd argue are trivial (the right chainsword / chain axe with the mk) and easily explained away, I feel jump packs are large enough - and often times different enough to - to warrant care.

Especially because HH is a 'historical' game, so part of the fun (imo) is matching up the gear to make it "accurate".

I wouldn't worry too much. A lot of people (including me) use the Mk7 and MK4 packs for their Mk6 assault marines. The heresy is also a "faux-historical" setting where the scope is so massive and varied that you can pretty much do what you want and explain some fluff for it. Ie- The pack later designated as "Mk7" was probably pioneered during the development of Mk6 armour and and thus ended up being used by marines on both sides during the heresy. Originally intended as part of the full kit of the Mk6 generation, along with the new generation of umbra pattern boltguns. Due to supply lines being cut and the prototypes being split between both loyalist and traitor mechanicum clades and legion forges, a number of sub patterns were developed and jury rigged and can be seen on armour marks from mk5 to the Mk7 suits worn by the defenders of terra and subsequently by both sides during the battles of the scouring.
As the millennia progressed, loyalist forces have almost fully adopted the use of the "standardised" Mk7 jump pack while traitor forces can still be seen sporting prototype and offshoot designs

There we go. Problem solved.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Snord wrote:
I think this Librarian is very uninspired. Not bad, just mediocre.

It’s clear to me that GW are stretched thin when it comes to HH. We keep hearing that their production capacity is maxed out, and these stopgap resin releases seem to confirm it.

All the more reason, to maybee attempt to give us an roadmap, whilest also finally providing the cult&milita aswell as daemons PDF's that have been promised. Because even if the Plan looks bad from a community perspective, the goodwill for the latter will surely pad out hard feelings enough and honesty is a refreshingly effective communication tool, especially if done with respect to their community.

Be careful what you wish for. Road map will probably lead to a dead end.

 Strg Alt wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Snord wrote:
I think this Librarian is very uninspired. Not bad, just mediocre.

It’s clear to me that GW are stretched thin when it comes to HH. We keep hearing that their production capacity is maxed out, and these stopgap resin releases seem to confirm it.

All the more reason, to maybee attempt to give us an roadmap, whilest also finally providing the cult&milita aswell as daemons PDF's that have been promised. Because even if the Plan looks bad from a community perspective, the goodwill for the latter will surely pad out hard feelings enough and honesty is a refreshingly effective communication tool, especially if done with respect to their community.

Be careful what you wish for. Road map will probably lead to a dead end.

Not cool....


But unfortunately probably accurate.

Could be a lull in HH plastics due to a lot of machine time being tied up getting 10th Ed starters and Marines/Nids kits printed.

Racerguy180 wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Snord wrote:
I think this Librarian is very uninspired. Not bad, just mediocre.

It’s clear to me that GW are stretched thin when it comes to HH. We keep hearing that their production capacity is maxed out, and these stopgap resin releases seem to confirm it.

All the more reason, to maybee attempt to give us an roadmap, whilest also finally providing the cult&milita aswell as daemons PDF's that have been promised. Because even if the Plan looks bad from a community perspective, the goodwill for the latter will surely pad out hard feelings enough and honesty is a refreshingly effective communication tool, especially if done with respect to their community.

Be careful what you wish for. Road map will probably lead to a dead end.

Not cool....


But unfortunately probably accurate.

The writing is already on the wall. People just need to have the courage and digest the information. We have received a wave of nice plastic tanks so that everybody can field either a "World of Tanks" list or a Dreadnought list which is not necessarily a bad thing. After that? Sound of crickets and crappy, mediocre resin support. Nail in the coffin were the resin close combat weapons. That incident signaled to me the end of their willingness to go the full way into fleshing out HH 2.0 in form of mini support.

Apparently the focus have been relocated elsewhere. 10th 40K and Epic 30K. I will definitely support the latter with my wallet as I fell in love with the setting during the 90s with Epic Space Marine. Can´t wait to field WHOLE companies of Iron Hands on the roof tops of city blocks and tie in those epic battles with my small 30K force.

Except we’re told of more news to come at Warhammerfest.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Except we’re told of more news to come at Warhammerfest.

People have such a weird fixation on calling HH a 'dead game'... I just don't get it, the game gets regular support in plastic and resin, books, regular website features and all you could desire. They're gonna take it easier for a quarter or two now, mostly because it's New Edition Time for 40k and - allow me an absolutely wild guess that's not supported by like, every edition since 3rd, ever - Space Marine Codex time soon after that, and contrary to popular belief even GW has better sense than going all SpaceMarine all the time across 2-3 systems at once. And then they'll return, probably with a new starter box and infantry sets, sometime in the late autumn or even in the winter, going on next year. In the meantime, expect more books and resin characters, but imho it's much too early to write the game's obituary just yet.

Apologies if this has already made the rounds here, but I don't remember seeing it in the thread.



Possible terminator praetor or just a conversion?

Tsagualsa wrote:
People have such a weird fixation on calling HH a 'dead game'... I just don't get it, the game gets regular support in plastic and resin, books, regular website features and all you could desire.

Yeah but see it hasn't dethroned 40k as the main GW game, therefore, it's dead.

 Gert wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
People have such a weird fixation on calling HH a 'dead game'... I just don't get it, the game gets regular support in plastic and resin, books, regular website features and all you could desire.

Yeah but see it hasn't dethroned 40k as the main GW game, therefore, it's dead.

...by that logic, can I cheer for the death of AoS?

 Dysartes wrote:

...by that logic, can I cheer for the death of AoS?

Oh no. Not my precious MESBG!! see what I did there?
How will I ever recover from it's loss?!

Prediction:

We've seen a new campaign book and Warhammer Fest is going show a new boxed to compliment it.

Please sweet baby lord Dante let it be new troops in there.

I'm expecting the next plastic troops to be assault marines, which will have plastic pistol and chainsword arms, while the resin despoiler kit is part stopgap and part for people to make despoilers without buying a box of jetpack bodies just for the arms.

We also have the Vindicator kits to release.

Frankly, they need to prove that they are serious about it being a game rather than a Marine v Marine Danger Room Simulation.

Plastic Mechanicum or Solar Aux aren't going to happen anytime soon, if at all.

Then the game has zero point in being supported with a plastic range.

Only for someone who doesn't want to play Marines and even then there are how many kits to use for armies like Mech and Auxilia that aren't resin? On top of that Daemons and Militia are armies that have a huge chunk of plastic kits to use because they're designed to be that way. Then Custodes are like a solid 80% plastic army and most Knights are plastic as well.
Expecting GW to do Mechanicum within the first year of the game being out is just plain silly.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Then the game has zero point in being supported with a plastic range.

People had been clamouring for Heresy-era marks of armour and vehicles ever since the CCG gave them detailled artwork for a lot of it almost 20 years to the day ago, to the point that it sustained a large part of Forgeworld and countless independent sellers of count-as products. The demand is there, no use in denying it. Even now, the chief complaint among players is that this demand is not actually fulfilled with a full range of troop types and armor marks yet.

 Gert wrote:
Only for someone who doesn't want to play Marines and even then there are how many kits to use for armies like Mech and Auxilia that aren't resin? On top of that Daemons and Militia are armies that have a huge chunk of plastic kits to use because they're designed to be that way. Then Custodes are like a solid 80% plastic army and most Knights are plastic as well.
Expecting GW to do Mechanicum within the first year of the game being out is just plain silly.

I'm expecting GW to do something to make the game more appealing to people that aren't just wanting to play Marines or if they're going to focus on Marines?

They could at least be doing more specialized items in plastic or making more of it available directly via GW's webstore, ala the Contemptor plates & Primarchs. This product selection has been hot garbage. They could have bothered to add some of the more recent resin trash in plastic or done some stuff like the Robots as multi-build plastics.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I'm expecting GW to do something to make the game more appealing to people that aren't just wanting to play Marines or if they're going to focus on Marines?

They could at least be doing more specialized items in plastic or making more of it available directly via GW's webstore, ala the Contemptor plates & Primarchs. This product selection has been hot garbage. They could have bothered to add some of the more recent resin trash in plastic or done some stuff like the Robots as multi-build plastics.

At my last count it was something like 17 new plastic Marine kits, with a bunch more reboxes at some of the best army-building pricing similar to that of MESBG. Hardly what I would call "hot garbage". You can keep whinging about not getting robots but you're delusional if you think GW was going to bring out anything but new Marine kits within the first year of the new system.

"Resin trash"? Feth off with that noise, Kan - I wouldn't say any resin offerings since HH2.0 launched at the very least could reasonably be described as trash. The arm set is a bit questionable, as that really should be part of a plastic kit, but they're not badly executed.

Wider question - have there really been any bad HH sculpts since the two Space Wolves ones with the banana fur and upside-down bolters?

The Mk6 helms swung between really cool and really weird but apart from that, can't think of anything. The resin also isn't the same as older FW, it's much much better and has been since at least the Dark Angel Praetors.

Since Kan is arguing they should have put more "resin trash" in plastic I would assume he's referring to the material, not the sculpts?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Gert wrote:
Only for someone who doesn't want to play Marines and even then there are how many kits to use for armies like Mech and Auxilia that aren't resin? On top of that Daemons and Militia are armies that have a huge chunk of plastic kits to use because they're designed to be that way. Then Custodes are like a solid 80% plastic army and most Knights are plastic as well.
Expecting GW to do Mechanicum within the first year of the game being out is just plain silly.

I'm expecting GW to do something to make the game more appealing to people that aren't just wanting to play Marines or if they're going to focus on Marines?

40K exists if you want to play all sorts of not-Marines. The Heresy was primarily about the war between the Astartes Legions. It's like saying "I want to play a game about the US Civil War, but are they going to do stuff for people who don't want to play as Americans?"

Eh. Partially.

I want plastic Solar Auxilia infantry, and maybe the odd tank, if only to drastically lower the entry cost for that army.

I want plastic Mechanicum, because whilst Auotmata are quite hefty points wise, plastic is a cheaper and superior material.

It will add a greater variety of potential opponents, without breaking the setting. That’s never a bad thing.

Right but there is a difference between wanting plastic Mechanicum and expecting them and being angry that your unrealsitic expectations aren't met.

I would love to see a lot of plastic Mechanicum, if only to make it easier for people to get into the army.

It would make little difference for me (unlike the plastic tanks for the Legions) as I already have a ton of resin Mechanicum, but I would not say no to plastic Thallax and Triaros.

For plastic, I'd love Custodes, since they have only 5-6 units that would need done, and could easily cross over into 40K as well. But in general, the more releases, especially plastic, the better.

I think, aside from the Saggitarum (spelling?) all the heresy Custodes have a plastic 40k equivalent kit. Which aren't too aesthetically dissimilar.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

40K exists if you want to play all sorts of not-Marines. The Heresy was primarily about the war between the Astartes Legions. It's like saying "I want to play a game about the US Civil War, but are they going to do stuff for people who don't want to play as Americans?"

That's a terrible example. The "war between the Astartes Legions" also included the Imperial Army sworn to those Legions, Mechanicum allies, etc.

The Heresy is literally what led to the separations of the various branches of Imperial military forces. Despite Gert's weird inferences, I'm not suggesting that we need things like a Stygies Skitarii kit in plastic or Solar Auxilia(although I do wishlist for the latter quite often), but something generic for the various non-Marine factions in plastic would show an actual dedication to making the game more accessible.

You are conflating "diverse" with "accessible" and claiming that they are not being "serious" about the game just because adjacent factions aren't currently supported to your liking

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
You are conflating "diverse" with "accessible" and claiming that they are not being "serious" about the game just because adjacent factions aren't currently supported to your liking

No, I'm conflating "accessible" with "accessible".

If it's ONLY available via FW?
That is not accessible.

And I'm saying they are not being "serious" about showcasing the game as actually being the various factions. Yeah yeah yeah marines, whatever--it's not like we didn't just get a big starter set full of them right?

Nothing stopping them from releasing a plastic Automata or two, and resin Legion upgrade packs or whatever.

How is FW not accessible? It's not OOP or limited, and generally in stock.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
How is FW not accessible? It's not OOP or limited, and generally in stock.

Can I walk into the shop and buy it or have my LGS order it for me?

No? Then it's not accessible.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Frankly, they need to prove that they are serious about it being a game rather than a Marine v Marine Danger Room Simulation.

You are aware of what the Horus Heresy was, right?

And how are they not serious?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
How is FW not accessible? It's not OOP or limited, and generally in stock.

Can I walk into the shop and buy it or have my LGS order it for me?

No? Then it's not accessible.

Kan, this isn't 1999 any more - shopping on the internet is normal these days.

And I'm not even going to ask how asking your LGS to order something for you is any more accessible than placing an online order of your own.

Please stop acting like the world is how it was 20+ years ago, dude - you're giving off Grandpa Simpson vibes here.

 Dysartes wrote:

Kan, this isn't 1999 any more - shopping on the internet is normal these days.

Yes and so is in-store pickup, curbside takeaway, or even having items shipped to stores!

And I'm not even going to ask how asking your LGS to order something for you is any more accessible than placing an online order of your own.

One of those actually helps my LGS while the other doesn't...and it's not that hard to ask a reliable LGS to order things for you. That's how I was getting Infinity and am currently getting Bushido products. It admittedly takes a bit longer, but guess what?
-The item arrives.
-I supported my local shop.


In the case of GW/FW products? There's zero excuse for a GW shop to be unable to sell me items for what has been badged as a "core game", with enough to it that it merited its own webstore header rather than being folded under "Boxed Games".

Especially not when they have the core box, rules, and army books sitting on the shelf.

Please stop acting like the world is how it was 20+ years ago, dude - you're giving off Grandpa Simpson vibes here.

That's fine. You can order as much online as you want. I don't like to do so.

My local GW store stocks, and sells, a fair bit of Horus Heresy stuff. Not sure if is down to total sales figures, demand or total store turnover. And the 2 LFGS in my immediate vicinity stock HH as well.

Is this an America thing?

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
My local GW store stocks, and sells, a fair bit of Horus Heresy stuff. Not sure if is down to total sales figures, demand or total store turnover. And the 2 LFGS in my immediate vicinity stock HH as well.

Is this an America thing?

Does your store stock the resin stuff, like Thallax or Primarchs or the like?

Because that's what I'm harping on. It's a joke to pretend that this game is easily accessible when huge swathes of it aren't available on shelves.

Huge swaths of many games are unavailable on shelves. Shelf space is a limited supply. You may not like resin, and not ordering online, but FW models are about as easy to buy as anything from Amazon or EBay.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Huge swaths of many games are unavailable on shelves. Shelf space is a limited supply. You may not like resin, and not ordering online, but FW models are about as easy to buy as anything from Amazon or EBay.

Cool, so it's not made more accessible by taking up plastic production?

Remind me again what the point of having this system even is?

I'm fine with coming across as Grampa Simpson. The simple fact is that if this is a game being actively stocked by game stores, there needs to be some kind of product available. And simply saying that "yOu CaN jUsT bUy 40k mOdeLs!1!" is not a real solution.

My local GW does actually stock most of the Primarchs, some Legion units and even Titans.

 Gert wrote:
My local GW does actually stock most of the Primarchs, some Legion units and even Titans.

That's great for you!

I can't speak for every single US store, but for my local GW?
None of that is stocked. The only orderable resin items via the webstore are the Primarchs and the new Contemptor bundles. Christ, they didn't even get sent copies of the Mechanicum book because it was delayed in North America and got shunted to Direct Only.

I really hope we get a Furibundus dreadnaught. They are one of the few cool things from RT that haven't made an reappearance in recent years.

Just out of interest, is there a lore reason why the 30k Custodes units are different from the 40K ones?

 Kanluwen wrote:
[The simple fact is that if this is a game being actively stocked by game stores, there needs to be some kind of product available. And simply saying that "yOu CaN jUsT bUy 40k mOdeLs!1!" is not a real solution.

I count 75 units in the HH section of the GW webstore. Plenty of product. It just doesn't cater to your specific opinion on what should be supported, which somehow makes it inaccessible, even though FW which created most all of these units sells them directly still. It would work better to send an email to the HH manager than continue to shuffle goal posts around in this thread.



Back on a real topic, I hope that WarhammerFest will see the release of the resin librarian and tank commanders they have shown off, despoiler arms, the remaining 6 contemptor torsos, and the plastic vindicator. Would love to pick them up.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
Just out of interest, is there a lore reason why the 30k Custodes units are different from the 40K ones?

Basically it's the combination of the Imperium stopping the super-science that had been ongoing under the Emperors direct tutelage and oversight because nobody has the authority to conduct it anymore and the Custodes getting millenia-long mega-depression because they kind of failed on their 'You had one job' task of protecting the Emperor. That's also the reason they ran around unarmoured for ten thousand years.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
Just out of interest, is there a lore reason why the 30k Custodes units are different from the 40K ones?

IIRC FW made Terminator and Jetbike custodes, then when GW updated the Custodes codex they made alternate versions in plastic since they weren't porting FW resin kits directly to plastic at the time.

[Edit] Ah, lore. Missed that. Well, if they do plasticize them, I imagine fluff will change to pulling the old units back out of storage to meet new dire threats.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Gert wrote:
My local GW does actually stock most of the Primarchs, some Legion units and even Titans.

That's great for you!

I can't speak for every single US store, but for my local GW?
None of that is stocked. The only orderable resin items via the webstore are the Primarchs and the new Contemptor bundles. Christ, they didn't even get sent copies of the Mechanicum book because it was delayed in North America and got shunted to Direct Only.

Some folks just gotta complain about something...

The Imperialis Militia! (PDF)


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Feral warriors, endless horde, huge amount of warriors(like 240) and charge ahead started to appeal

I like the inclusion of Cargo-8s, I don't like the lack of sponsons on Leman Russes...

It’s..its…very nearly (but sadly not quite) IA13 all over again!

 Kanluwen wrote:

They could at least be doing more specialized items in plastic or making more of it available directly via GW's webstore, ala the Contemptor plates & Primarchs.

If they release a model kit in resin it's mostly because they don't think that it will be popular enough to justify the production cost, HIPs has much higher up-front costs than resin. It's not like they don't understand that plastic is easier to work with for inexperienced hobbyists.

Also, why is it a big deal to you whether or not you have to buy a model from the GW website or the FW website? Why does that matter?

 Kanluwen wrote:

This product selection has been hot garbage. They could have bothered to add some of the more recent resin trash in plastic or done some stuff like the Robots as multi-build plastics.

"Hot garbage"? "Resin trash"?

Most people would much prefer if they had released plastic assault marines sooner rather than later, but this mini-rant of yours is frankly embarrasing.

Also, some people may disagree, but I love resin for the extra detail that it can hold when compared to HIPs

EDIT: Imperial Militia list is giving me some great hobby ideas

I like the detail on resin. But I hate hate hate working with the material, and actively avoid it wherever possible. Especially resin/plastic hybrid kits.

The odd infantry kit I can tolerate. So long as I have good light, a sharp blade and decent super glue they’re easy enough. But resin tanks can get squarely in the bin.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I like the detail on resin. But I hate hate hate working with the material, and actively avoid it wherever possible. Especially resin/plastic hybrid kits.

The odd infantry kit I can tolerate. So long as I have good light, a sharp blade and decent super glue they’re easy enough. But resin tanks can get squarely in the bin.

If resin tanks were off the menu we would have missed out on so many awesome Forge World vehicles: they simply wouldn't have been produced, for economic reasons.

So no thanks, lets not bin them!

Or make them all cross the Rubicon Plasticarus

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Or make them all cross the Rubicon Plasticarus

I'm both disgusted and aroused

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I like the detail on resin. But I hate hate hate working with the material, and actively avoid it wherever possible. Especially resin/plastic hybrid kits.

The odd infantry kit I can tolerate. So long as I have good light, a sharp blade and decent super glue they’re easy enough. But resin tanks can get squarely in the bin.

Depends on the model, really.
40K's new crappy monopose Orkboyz or really any character without options would be preferable in a proper Resin* like ArtelW or Wargame Exclusive or even new FW models (FWs lotr models are on par with the best on the market) use as they're more detailed and more often than not need no work at all, not even removal of mold lines. And since these monoposes are not intended to be converted they might as well be in one or few parts so you don't even need glue, especially since newer GW models are more like 3d-puzzles instead models you build and position the way you want them to be.
If you go to older GW kits with proper plastic multipose models or good characters like the CSM terminator sorceror or the new Dark Angel HQ, or Eldar HQ - these make use of the advantages of plastic and are good to have in plastic instead of resin.
Also anything larger than infantry, so I do understand FWs decision to start with these.

*not talking about Failcast here, Failcast is the worst material on the market and shouldn't be considered when talking about resin at all. The first test prints of anyone with a 3d printer usually are superior to that overpriced garbage.

At first glance, I was a bit irritated with the morale stuff but then the sheer amount of new provenances, units, and upgrades made me do a complete 180.
Certain things are naff like the lack of Fire Control on the Malcador, no Russ squadrons and only Baneblades for LoW but honestly, it's still a pretty cool list.

Hmmm lots of creativity was poured into this list for sure, sadly all of it hell bent on making it suck

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Or make them all cross the Rubicon Plasticarus

Well you talk from pov of hobbyist so company running on deficit isn't worry. Gw meanwhile wants profit, not losses.

beast_gts wrote:
The Imperialis Militia! (PDF)


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PRAISE BE!!!!

Finally i can drown my opponents in hordes of nurglites and show those good for nothing marines what a human and a spoon can do, if there are enough of us!

 Gert wrote:
At first glance, I was a bit irritated with the morale stuff but then the sheer amount of new provenances, units, and upgrades made me do a complete 180.
Certain things are naff like the lack of Fire Control on the Malcador, no Russ squadrons and only Baneblades for LoW but honestly, it's still a pretty cool list.

If you want Russ squadrons, there’s a Provenance for that.

On the other hand if you want a bunch of not-quite-skitarii to run around as yeomen to your Mechanicum Knights, that’s also possible. I’m thinking Bretonnian peasants with skitarii guns and heads to represent Armoury of Old Night, and probably Legacy of the Great Crusade for various minor “augmentations” to their brains. Just need a fresh supply of donors; roll on TOW, I say!

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Gert wrote:
At first glance, I was a bit irritated with the morale stuff but then the sheer amount of new provenances, units, and upgrades made me do a complete 180.
Certain things are naff like the lack of Fire Control on the Malcador, no Russ squadrons and only Baneblades for LoW but honestly, it's still a pretty cool list.

If you want Russ squadrons, there’s a Provenance for that.

On the other hand if you want a bunch of not-quite-skitarii to run around as yeomen to your Mechanicum Knights, that’s also possible. I’m thinking Bretonnian peasants with skitarii guns and heads to represent Armoury of Old Night, and probably Legacy of the Great Crusade for various minor “augmentations” to their brains. Just need a fresh supply of donors; roll on TOW, I say!

I need some time to digest all of this document, but it seems it contains almost everything you could ask for to do any sort of LotD/Militia/not-Guard styled weird stuff you could imagine. It's a toolbox of weird, not necessarily quite competitive things, which is probably what a lot of modellers and collectors wanted from it.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

If you want Russ squadrons, there’s a Provenance for that.

On the other hand if you want a bunch of not-quite-skitarii to run around as yeomen to your Mechanicum Knights, that’s also possible. I’m thinking Bretonnian peasants with skitarii guns and heads to represent Armoury of Old Night, and probably Legacy of the Great Crusade for various minor “augmentations” to their brains. Just need a fresh supply of donors; roll on TOW, I say!

Yeah I'd not had a proper digest of it at the time of that post. Its still a very fun looking army to play which I'm glad of. Winning games was rare for the Militia in HH but I've never had more fun playing the game.

Very cool PDF. Lots of fun and flavorful rules. Adding in the cargo-8 hauler and war beast tamers is a nice touch for some really wild flair.

I only briefly scrolled through the document. What´s the main difference between Solar Auxilia and the Militia? By the way Core troops consisting of 20 models is a big no-no for me.

 Strg Alt wrote:
I only briefly scrolled through the document. What´s the main difference between Solar Auxilia and the Militia? By the way Core troops consisting of 20 models is a big no-no for me.

Roughly, Solar Auxilia are the professional soldiery with top of the line weapons, militia are the hodge podge ad hoc units and home guard/PDF with whatever military grade weapons and vehicles they can find or had in storage gathering dust.

 Strg Alt wrote:
I only briefly scrolled through the document. What´s the main difference between Solar Auxilia and the Militia? By the way Core troops consisting of 20 models is a big no-no for me.

Militia fill the role of the old 4th edition 'Lost and the Damned' army or the Chapter Approved rules for Guard regiments made up of Clones, Mutants, Abhumans or even weirder things. The list allows you to customize it to build armies of the cool side-character forces you sometimes see in the novels or in the FW black books, you can do deep-space mutants with pre-imperial technology, degenerated warrior tribes from a high-grav world or aristocratic knightly orders from a region of wild space with it. None of it is especially balanced or furnished with powerful rules, but it allows you to return to the glory days of deo-stick tanks and armies cobbled together from disparate sources.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:
I only briefly scrolled through the document. What´s the main difference between Solar Auxilia and the Militia? By the way Core troops consisting of 20 models is a big no-no for me.

Militia fill the role of the old 4th edition 'Lost and the Damned' army or the Chapter Approved rules for Guard regiments made up of Clones, Mutants, Abhumans or even weirder things. The list allows you to customize it to build armies of the cool side-character forces you sometimes see in the novels or in the FW black books, you can do deep-space mutants with pre-imperial technology, degenerated warrior tribes from a high-grav world or aristocratic knightly orders from a region of wild space with it. None of it is especially balanced or furnished with powerful rules, but it allows you to return to the glory days of deo-stick tanks and armies cobbled together from disparate sources.

So you can do Imperial beastmen units?

Indeed you can. There is a Provenance for it and everything. The monster units like Cygors and Ghorgons are out but pretty much everything else from the Beast of Chaos range is usable in the Militia list.

Hmm, does GW still sell beastmen boxes of 20 minis? I probably have enough pistols and ccw in my bits box to equip them with.

Gors come in a unit of 10 but the Vanguard box gives you 10 Gors, 10 Bestigors, 10 Ungors, 3 Dragon Ogres, and a Shaman for £85.
Skaven do come in 20 strong boxes though, and that's Stormvermin, Clan Rats, and Plague Monks (plus the Gutter Runners but they're truly awful models).

I for one am super hype to see converted armies from this.


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Of all the things that aren’t wise, that’s the least wise thing!

Funny though,

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
How is FW not accessible? It's not OOP or limited, and generally in stock.

I'd add in that FW costs quite a bit more for it's figures. Trying to buy a enough resin infantry for an army is mighty pricy. Also ship times are a lot longer than you'd like.

So, yea, anyone can go to FW's website, but most of it's still out of reach.

 Moopy wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
How is FW not accessible? It's not OOP or limited, and generally in stock.

I'd add in that FW costs quite a bit more for it's figures. Trying to buy a enough resin infantry for an army is mighty pricy. Also ship times are a lot longer than you'd like.

So, yea, anyone can go to FW's website, but most of it's still out of reach.

NVM Currency exchange rates and tarrifs.

 Gert wrote:
Gors come in a unit of 10 but the Vanguard box gives you 10 Gors, 10 Bestigors, 10 Ungors, 3 Dragon Ogres, and a Shaman for £85.
Skaven do come in 20 strong boxes though, and that's Stormvermin, Clan Rats, and Plague Monks (plus the Gutter Runners but they're truly awful models).

I’m suddenly thinking that dragon ogres would be a great platform to base a Sentinel counts-as conversion off. Have them hold a heavy weapon like a rifle, herd them into Cargo-8s and play reverse cowboy with the opfor.

Oh yeah you can carry sentinels in the big trucks, unless I missed something?

 Moopy wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
How is FW not accessible? It's not OOP or limited, and generally in stock.

I'd add in that FW costs quite a bit more for it's figures. Trying to buy a enough resin infantry for an army is mighty pricy. Also ship times are a lot longer than you'd like.

So, yea, anyone can go to FW's website, but most of it's still out of reach.

I don't think that this it totally correct. In many cases GW charges a similar amount for a plastic character than FW does for a resin mini, it goes without saying (hopefully!) that the resin version has superior detail, or at the very least the potential for superior detail, given the medium used.

Most of the time FW vehicles do cost more, sure, and an infantry squad is approx 30% more expensive, but if you're involved in the hobby anyway then I don't think that it's fair to say that "most of it's still out of reach"

Regarding shipping times, I haven't noticed much of a difference with FW compared to GW? Regardless, even if it does take a few extra days it doesn't mean that it's "not accessible", or "out of reach"

Definitely not for competitive play / optimized army lists, but I like what I'm reading.

Lots of conversion/kitbash potential with existing kits over various ranges.

That being said, I do hope they throw us a couple of modeling morsels.

Personally, I think a couple of upgrade sprues would be a nice touch :

10 Ryza-pattern lasguns (the OG plastic ones, YMMV) + arms

5 Militia jet packs (Voidjumper option under Survivors of the Dark Age Provenance) + 5 pairs of arms with twin laspistols

Probably not going to happen, but one can dream/hope..

For an army crying out for kitbashing and heavy personalisation, I’m certain there are plenty 3rd party options.

Wargames Atlantic already has a few plastic sci-fi regiments and they've also teased something very Renegade Guard looking.

 Gert wrote:
Plastic Mechanicum or Solar Aux aren't going to happen anytime soon, if at all.

I think that they might be with us sooner than you might expect.

 JamesY wrote:
I think that they might be with us sooner than you might expect.

On a technicality there are already plastic kits for certain Mechanicum units but mainline support for the army would be a real surprise.
Solar Auxilia are widely believed to be the pet project of a FW employee and the army has received one model since their initial release way back in 2014.

It would also be nice if some of the plastic custodes and mechanics kits were integrated into HH Era armies.

 Gert wrote:

 JamesY wrote:
I think that they might be with us sooner than you might expect.

On a technicality there are already plastic kits for certain Mechanicum units but mainline support for the army would be a real surprise.
Solar Auxilia are widely believed to be the pet project of a FW employee and the army has received one model since their initial release way back in 2014.

The whole HH game was a pet project of one employee at one point, so I wouldn't take that argument as a limitation for what is ahead. There is a huge amount of HH still to come.

I do think that gw slowing down the releases for HH whilst they promote 10th ed 40k is being confused with the game being wound down. It really isn't, and that won't just be sustained on marines.

 JamesY wrote:
The whole HH game was a pet project of one employee at one point, so I wouldn't take that argument as a limitation for what is ahead. There is a huge amount of HH still to come.

That's not really the same thing when FW already had a large catalogue of HH-era miniatures and the setting was widely used in fan rulesets long before Bligh created the FW version. That "pet project" also came after Bligh already did the Badab War, which was also a "pet project" and had substantial support from the wider FW studio.
Solar Auxilia, unlike Mechanicum, Ruinstorm Daemons, or even Sisters of Silence, received one splash release with Conquest and then got the Carnodon four years later, and even then that was also included in Militia armies. No other faction has had the same lack of releases (excluding Militia but they were never intended to have any dedicated models in the first place).

I do think that gw slowing down the releases for HH whilst they promote 10th ed 40k is being confused with the game being wound down. It really isn't, and that won't just be sustained on marines.

That much is true. I do expect Mechanicum at some point but not before we get at least halfway through the second year of the new game system.

I still think Custodes, since GW can then double dip them for the 40K book and get a codex release out of it.

The only 40k units that aren't in HH are the jet bikes, Allarus, the Contemptor, and Land Raider.
The jet bikes are pretty easy proxies for the already existing unit while the Contemptor and Land Raider aren't needed.
The Allarus are the only outlier since every other unit can be used as something in the Custodes army list.

 Gert wrote:

Solar Auxilia, unlike Mechanicum, Ruinstorm Daemons, or even Sisters of Silence, received one splash release with Conquest and then got the Carnodon four years later, and even then that was also included in Militia armies. No other faction has had the same lack of releases (excluding Militia but they were never intended to have any dedicated models in the first place).

I bet you £1 that within 18 months we have either plastic SA or Mechanicum...

 JamesY wrote:


I bet you £1 that within 18 months we have either plastic SA or Mechanicum...

One whole english pound!

SamusDrake wrote:

 JamesY wrote:


I bet you £1 that within 18 months we have either plastic SA or Mechanicum...

One whole english pound!

Yeah, really shows the confidence they have in their odds.

 JamesY wrote:

 Gert wrote:

Solar Auxilia, unlike Mechanicum, Ruinstorm Daemons, or even Sisters of Silence, received one splash release with Conquest and then got the Carnodon four years later, and even then that was also included in Militia armies. No other faction has had the same lack of releases (excluding Militia but they were never intended to have any dedicated models in the first place).

I bet you £1 that within 18 months we have either plastic SA or Mechanicum...

Of the two, I think you're more likely to see Mechanicum than SA.

What do people think today's Heresy Thursday article will be previewing?

Nothing because WarCom said Heresy Thursdays were on hiatus til the end of the year.

 Platuan4th wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:

 JamesY wrote:


I bet you £1 that within 18 months we have either plastic SA or Mechanicum...

One whole english pound!

Yeah, really shows the confidence they have in their odds.

Because suggesting a bet of higher with a stranger on the internet would be taken anymore seriously?

 Gert wrote:
Nothing because WarCom said Heresy Thursdays were on hiatus til the end of the year.

Not so.

Librarian reveal article wrote: Alas, this is the last we’ll see from Heresy Thursday for a short while, as Legions both Traitor and Loyalist take time to rest and replenish their forces. There’ll still be some major reveals to see at Warhammer Fest in just two weeks’ time, and Heresy Thursday will return to its regular slot later this year with more reveals for Warhammer: The Horus Heresy.

Just said later this year. So we’ve 8 months to pick from.

OK, I'd completely missed that.

"End of" is close enough to "Later". Point being there is no Heresy Thursday.

Finally, its time for Titanicus Thursdays!

Too long have us AT players played second fiddle to this second rate, glorified tank game!

SOUND THE WARHORNS!!!!

 JamesY wrote:

 Gert wrote:

Solar Auxilia, unlike Mechanicum, Ruinstorm Daemons, or even Sisters of Silence, received one splash release with Conquest and then got the Carnodon four years later, and even then that was also included in Militia armies. No other faction has had the same lack of releases (excluding Militia but they were never intended to have any dedicated models in the first place).

I bet you £1 that within 18 months we have either plastic SA or Mechanicum...

Maybe I'm reading too much into your post, but I'm getting the feeling that you have some inside info here...but maybe that's just me hoping, plastic SA would be ace

In 18 months both 40k and AoS will have their new editions. At that point, it wouldn't be a shock if plastic Mechanicum came out.

It will be a massive shock to me if HH continues to get any plastic support after TOW releases start.

 Gert wrote:
In 18 months both 40k and AoS will have their new editions. At that point, it wouldn't be a shock if plastic Mechanicum came out.

Wasn’t there a rumour (possibly via Valrak) about some of the FW knights moving to plastic?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
It will be a massive shock to me if HH continues to get any plastic support after TOW releases start.

They could barely keep products in stock for most of last year. Abandoning plastic support for HH makes no sense at all.

Voss wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
It will be a massive shock to me if HH continues to get any plastic support after TOW releases start.

They could barely keep products in stock for most of last year. Abandoning plastic support for HH makes no sense at all.

Yea pretty fair to say they couldn't keep up with demand for the games already out and now they're adding another. Not that it was so much a demand issue as a breakdown in supply. There were like 2 boxes of jetbikes allocated per country in the EU. Something has to give and it's not like they'll pull 40k or AoS. We've barely seen any other specialist game plastics since HH came out so production is obviously stretched thin.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

 Gert wrote:
In 18 months both 40k and AoS will have their new editions. At that point, it wouldn't be a shock if plastic Mechanicum came out.

Wasn’t there a rumour (possibly via Valrak) about some of the FW knights moving to plastic?

Yes, he did mention something about them going plastic.

Without going into a long essay of a post, I've previously speculated that a plastic Cerastus kit would be a stunning addition to the 10th edition Imperial Knights codex.

There would be no real reason to stop plastic HH Sales since they'd also splash over or supplement 40K sales. Lots of the recent tanks would likely be picked up by 40k players, the sicarians come to mind. Possibly that's why we've seen so many tanks rather than the more important infantry. Helps GW cover a period of scifi release schedule that may otherwise be slow.

But yes there will likely be a few weeks we don't get much while multiple slots are filled with 10th edition releases. On the other hand, 30k tanks came out besides 40k lion.

 JamesY wrote:

 Gert wrote:

Solar Auxilia, unlike Mechanicum, Ruinstorm Daemons, or even Sisters of Silence, received one splash release with Conquest and then got the Carnodon four years later, and even then that was also included in Militia armies. No other faction has had the same lack of releases (excluding Militia but they were never intended to have any dedicated models in the first place).

I bet you £1 that within 18 months we have either plastic SA or Mechanicum...

One whole pound, wow. With the exchange rate to Aussie dollars I'd be able to buy the entire HH range

 Rolsheen wrote:

 JamesY wrote:

 Gert wrote:

Solar Auxilia, unlike Mechanicum, Ruinstorm Daemons, or even Sisters of Silence, received one splash release with Conquest and then got the Carnodon four years later, and even then that was also included in Militia armies. No other faction has had the same lack of releases (excluding Militia but they were never intended to have any dedicated models in the first place).

I bet you £1 that within 18 months we have either plastic SA or Mechanicum...

One whole pound, wow. With the exchange rate to Aussie dollars I'd be able to buy the entire HH range

Ouch! Right in the governmental socioeconomic incompetence!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Rolsheen wrote:

 JamesY wrote:

 Gert wrote:

Solar Auxilia, unlike Mechanicum, Ruinstorm Daemons, or even Sisters of Silence, received one splash release with Conquest and then got the Carnodon four years later, and even then that was also included in Militia armies. No other faction has had the same lack of releases (excluding Militia but they were never intended to have any dedicated models in the first place).

I bet you £1 that within 18 months we have either plastic SA or Mechanicum...

One whole pound, wow. With the exchange rate to Aussie dollars I'd be able to buy the entire HH range

Ouch! Right in the governmental socioeconomic incompetence!

The Ineptus Administratum?

One thing that would be nice to see in resin for Heresy would be more of the titan weapons in 28mm scale, maybe even the psy titan upgrade. Not even asking for a dire wolf or the new conversion/volkite/gravity guns, but just official warhound harpoons and more reaver and warlord carapace mounts.

Adeptus Etonius.

It’s like the Schola Progenium, but solely churns out chinless idiots rather than anyone actually useful.

Chinless idiots is the best insult ever!

And a not so subtle jab at Eton collage?

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

One thing that would be nice to see in resin for Heresy would be more of the titan weapons in 28mm scale, maybe even the psy titan upgrade. Not even asking for a dire wolf or the new conversion/volkite/gravity guns, but just official warhound harpoons and more reaver and warlord carapace mounts.

Definitely, I've ended up making my own carapace gatling blasters.

Also, the 28mm Warmaster Titan! Seems like Warhammer Fest would be a good time to reveal it, so fingers crossed!

IIRC the Warlord was pushing the limits of weight when it comes to the model supporting itself, and the warmaster is a lot taller and bulkier.

Chaos Warlord needs done though, and would mainly be a swap of mostly armor plates and a new head, or there is the Dire Wolf for heavy firepower in the more affordable titan kit range.

 Platuan4th wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:

 JamesY wrote:


I bet you £1 that within 18 months we have either plastic SA or Mechanicum...

One whole english pound!

Yeah, really shows the confidence they have in their odds.

1) I hope hope hope for plastic Mechanicum robots

2) From where I'm from in the uk "Bet you a quid/ £1" is a saying to mean I have faith in it, not literally handing over of money.

A bit late to the game but: if Solar Auxilia represent the elite, originally from the regiments of the Solar system, and that Militia are ragtag, emergency / revolutionaries forces, the Imperial Army isn't represented yet ?

 godardc wrote:
A bit late to the game but: if Solar Auxilia represent the elite, originally from the regiments of the Solar system, and that Militia are ragtag, emergency / revolutionaries forces, the Imperial Army isn't represented yet ?

No it's not. If i recall correctly that was Alan's next project for HH before his death, and then it just never happened after that.

Ok thx !

Gir Spirit Bane wrote:

2) From where I'm from in the uk "Bet you a quid/ £1" is a saying to mean I have faith in it, not literally handing over of money.

Yeah, that's how it was intended. But you know, some people like to be literal.

 JamesY wrote:


Yeah, that's how it was intended. But you know, some people like to be literal.

Well, from where I am in the UK - we'll hold you to it!

SamusDrake wrote:

 JamesY wrote:


Yeah, that's how it was intended. But you know, some people like to be literal.

Well, from where I am in the UK - we'll hold you to it!

Bet's on...

All those mentions of £1?

Surely someone owes me £5 by now?


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 ProfSrlojohn wrote:

 godardc wrote:
A bit late to the game but: if Solar Auxilia represent the elite, originally from the regiments of the Solar system, and that Militia are ragtag, emergency / revolutionaries forces, the Imperial Army isn't represented yet ?

No it's not. If i recall correctly that was Alan's next project for HH before his death, and then it just never happened after that.

To be honest? Beyond “Third Line” keyword units? The Militia can cover Imperial Bulletsponges quite nicely, depending and in a fair few instance, on your picks

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
All those mentions of £1?

Surely someone owes me £5 by now?


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 ProfSrlojohn wrote:

 godardc wrote:
A bit late to the game but: if Solar Auxilia represent the elite, originally from the regiments of the Solar system, and that Militia are ragtag, emergency / revolutionaries forces, the Imperial Army isn't represented yet ?

No it's not. If i recall correctly that was Alan's next project for HH before his death, and then it just never happened after that.

To be honest? Beyond “Third Line” keyword units? The Militia can cover Imperial Bulletsponges quite nicely, depending and in a fair few instance, on your picks

Eh, the Imperial army is more like Solar aux -1 than Militia +1. Solar Aux was just the peak of the peak, as opposed to the Imperial army which was regular line troops. Militia are the basic PDF level forces. Like, as per the current rules they just put out: Only one kind of Baneblade, only 5 of the Russ turret options (some of which are kind of odd, like 1 Lascannon, or 1 autocannon), no Sponsons, and no squadrons without a specific Provenance, only 1 kind of Malcador, a stripped down (but far cheaper) Thunderbolt fighter, just to throw out some examples. Not to mention other things they could add or do. Like give them Chimeras since apparently Militia aren't good enough and Solar Aux are too good for them.

Depends on your provenance picks.

My take away (though I’ve not read beyond Angron’s early Daemonhood) is the Imperial Army was so unfathomably vast and diverse, standardisation was right off the cards. Not only was The Imperium barely nascent compared to 40K’s now, but constantly expanding and absorbing new planets. Each of which had something different to offer its new found Dear Leader.

Some would be sub-modern-PDF in terms of quality and indeed quantity. Some might be so well armed, equipped and genhanced even a Primarch make have a wary eye on them.

Everything from back woods, carrot crunching simpletons go whatever Elon Musk thinks he is but they’re actually that, and everything in between.

It’s almost akin to the rise of British Punk. We might look to the Sex Pistols as a definition of it - but the truth is it was a kind of common energy, feeling and outlet for [i]anyone[/i/]. No set rules, beyond kicking out energy and enthusiasm on stage

 ProfSrlojohn wrote:
Eh, the Imperial army is more like Solar aux -1 than Militia +1. Solar Aux was just the peak of the peak, as opposed to the Imperial army which was regular line troops. Militia are the basic PDF level forces. Like, as per the current rules they just put out: Only one kind of Baneblade, only 5 of the Russ turret options (some of which are kind of odd, like 1 Lascannon, or 1 autocannon), no Sponsons, and no squadrons without a specific Provenance, only 1 kind of Malcador, a stripped down (but far cheaper) Thunderbolt fighter, just to throw out some examples. Not to mention other things they could add or do. Like give them Chimeras since apparently Militia aren't good enough and Solar Aux are too good for them.

Gravis weapons are double-shot guns so it's still the Annihilator and Exterminator variants. Also Militia could only ever take the bog standard Malcador chassis i.e. Battlecannon or Annihilator, the Infernus and Valdor are in the Auxilia list. At the same time, the Defender straight-up doesn't exist in HH and never has.

 Gert wrote:

 ProfSrlojohn wrote:
Eh, the Imperial army is more like Solar aux -1 than Militia +1. Solar Aux was just the peak of the peak, as opposed to the Imperial army which was regular line troops. Militia are the basic PDF level forces. Like, as per the current rules they just put out: Only one kind of Baneblade, only 5 of the Russ turret options (some of which are kind of odd, like 1 Lascannon, or 1 autocannon), no Sponsons, and no squadrons without a specific Provenance, only 1 kind of Malcador, a stripped down (but far cheaper) Thunderbolt fighter, just to throw out some examples. Not to mention other things they could add or do. Like give them Chimeras since apparently Militia aren't good enough and Solar Aux are too good for them.

Gravis weapons are double-shot guns so it's still the Annihilator and Exterminator variants. Also Militia could only ever take the bog standard Malcador chassis i.e. Battlecannon or Annihilator, the Infernus and Valdor are in the Auxilia list. At the same time, the Defender straight-up doesn't exist in HH and never has.

I could have sworn they could take the defender, but it's been a minute since I looked at the 1.0 document. As for gravis I just straight up was wrong. Good Call. Still, there are a lot of things they could add to Army to allow it to be more distinct. (More Special Weapons per squad as an example)

Striking the balance between Solar Auxilia and Militia would be difficult, especially now that Auxilia has Cohorts for alternate play styles and Militia has gone up to 16 Provenances to choose from.
Adding certain units like Chimera's or Valkyries would be a shout but then it also shouldn't just be a boring copy of the Guard Codex.
Maybe bringing back the Platoon system (Command, Special, Infantry, and Heavy all together) to differentiate between the hordes of Militia and the Tercios of Auxilia.

Having had a good flick through the militia pdf now, i think they strike the right balance to marines. Shows you how fragile a regular human is when compared to the astartes at the height of their power.
Not sure how they'll play, but they certainly seem fun given all their options. Won't be hard to work up a flavourful army.

I have a TON of Dust German infantry from the Miniature Market clearance days...I can actually probably field a maxed out Levy (3 units of 50 troops) plus lots of support...something about fielding cubic feet of troops reminds me of the old Snotling Horde (Shokk Attak Guns, Runtherdz, TOO MANY Snotlings and a Boss).

 Sacredroach wrote:
I have a TON of Dust German infantry from the Miniature Market clearance days...I can actually probably field a maxed out Levy (3 units of 50 troops) plus lots of support...something about fielding cubic feet of troops reminds me of the old Snotling Horde (Shokk Attak Guns, Runtherdz, TOO MANY Snotlings and a Boss).

Too many snotlings is a conceptual asymptote, like “enuff dakka” – any attempt is doomed to failure, hilarious failure.

But you’re right, Snotlings should come back to the game.

That’s the second new word I’ve learned today!

First was rugose, courtesy of AoO The Lion.

So what do we reckon we'll have revealed to us from Warhammerfest? I know just about everyone would LIKE to see assault infantry of some description, but what are we actually expecting from this?

We're almost done with tanks. Now that they've basically confirmed we're not getting any of these in plastic any time soon, that just leaves the Vindicator, Sicaran Arcus/Punisher/Omega and the Sabre to go. Given how they're not doubling up on any kits with this line I guess that means another 3 sicaran kits, probably 2 vindi kits and 1 for the sabre.
I imagine we'll get more info on the Siege of Cthonia and the Zone Mortalis supplement.


I think the heresy reveals will go something like this.
-Vindicator kit
-One of the Sicarans
-Siege of Cthonia
-Zone Mortalis
-Surprise reveal of either breachers or Xiphon OR some stupid obscure character no one asked for.

The Vindicator kit was revealed a few weeks ago on Warhammer Community:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/03/09/heresy-thursday-the-plastic-legion-vindicator-is-the-ultimate-everything-killer/

 Snrub wrote:
So what do we reckon we'll have revealed to us from Warhammerfest? I know just about everyone would LIKE to see assault infantry of some description, but what are we actually expecting from this?

A starter set to take over from the hench launch box, and for the love of god it would benefit the game greatly if they added a quick pdf on Warhammer Community to include Dominus Knights...

I don't think most players will accept anything less than plastic assault marines to kick off a new wave of releases.

I'd accept plastic breachers instead of assault marines

I'll accept any plastic that's not a tank at this point....Infantry, characters, upgrades, non-astartes....

I expect we'll see another sort of starter set centered around the new campaign book that'll include jump-pack assault infantry.

Admittedly, the only reason I think this is because they explicitly stated that more plastic infantry are coming. Given they've also said (and shown) that all character / individual sculpts are remaining resin through FW... There's really no other plastic infantry they can go for other than assault. The others (scouts / breachers / snipers) are too niche to be brought out prior to generic assault-dudes. I suppose there's always the chance that the impending inductii might get their own special kit, but even then I suspect it'll be MKVI and provide assault arms + poses.. So they could knock out a plethora of units from just one kit.

But suspicions don't mean anything. Given GW's absolutely assinine mishandling of the new HH release, drowning a market which is clearly very responsible and eager to buy, with a year of pointless tanks... I wouldn't be surprised if they just released a MK5 bolter-bois tactical squid kit and called it a day. Removed - mind your language please..

Year of pointless tanks to you, very popular kits for a number of locals

Almost all of the most expensive HH models made more accessible by converting them into plastic, reducing the entry cost to the game by a wide margin? Wow, what a mishandling.

They're going to show off the two new characters being released with the new campaign book, one for fists and one for the sons of horus.

And that will round out all of the new model releases for that book:
-Chaos assassin
-New vehicle consuls, releases flavoured fists / sons of horus
-New special characters

The biggest reveal will be between the lines, that no more plastic Heresy is coming until fall. Best we can hope for is a glimpse of some palstic infantry for late 2023 after the 40k hype dies adown.

Heresy uses up specialist game release slots, so 40k wouldn't really interfere.

robbienw wrote:The Vindicator kit was revealed a few weeks ago on Warhammer Community:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/03/09/heresy-thursday-the-plastic-legion-vindicator-is-the-ultimate-everything-killer/

Ah that one slipped right past me. Nice to know you get both main weapon options for it in one kit.

SamusDrake wrote:A starter set to take over from the hench launch box,

I've seen this mentioned a few times now in various places. What makes people think there's a new starter set on the way. And what's wrong with the launch box?

 Snrub wrote:

robbienw wrote:The Vindicator kit was revealed a few weeks ago on Warhammer Community:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/03/09/heresy-thursday-the-plastic-legion-vindicator-is-the-ultimate-everything-killer/

Ah that one slipped right past me. Nice to know you get both main weapon options for it in one kit.

SamusDrake wrote:A starter set to take over from the hench launch box,

I've seen this mentioned a few times now in various places. What makes people think there's a new starter set on the way. And what's wrong with the launch box?

Not really sure.

There was a rumor a while back that further troop options (like assault marines) would be released via box sets that would pit two other legions against each other.

Other than that, not really a whole lot to go off of.

There were some rumours about a new HH box with assault marines and a new plastic dread some time ago but those rumours were never considered all that credible

I think new mkiv marines rescaled to the size of mkvi for the infantry, maybe mkiii as well.

After the travesty that was the Middle-earth "previews", my hope for a fulfilling 30k reveal is slipping.

Considering they said their hands were tied when it comes to MESBG, I don't see how that has relevance.
But also, temper your expectations regardless. 10th is the big deal here, not HH.

It's not letting me save the image, but the warcom site has a banner that shows silhouettes of models. The first is obviously for Cities of Sigmar, then the new floating tyranid brain beast, SCE killteam, and then a fourth model.

I'm wondering if this could be the HH one? It has a big banner with a lot of skull trophies, but it looks like it might have a backpack on that has MK III vents. And what could possibly be a flensing knife? That makes me think its probably for Night Lords, and if so, then I guess it would be a new FW HQ and not a plastic model

 GaroRobe wrote:
It's not letting me save the image, but the warcom site has a banner that shows silhouettes of models. The first is obviously for Cities of Sigmar, then the new floating tyranid brain beast, SCE killteam, and then a fourth model.

I'm wondering if this could be the HH one? It has a big banner with a lot of skull trophies, but it looks like it might have a backpack on that has MK III vents. And what could possibly be a flensing knife? That makes me think its probably for Night Lords, and if so, then I guess it would be a new FW HQ and not a plastic model

Likely the Traitor character for the announced Cthonia-set campaign/expansion.

 GaroRobe wrote:
It's not letting me save the image, but the warcom site has a banner that shows silhouettes of models. The first is obviously for Cities of Sigmar, then the new floating tyranid brain beast, SCE killteam, and then a fourth model.

I'm wondering if this could be the HH one? It has a big banner with a lot of skull trophies, but it looks like it might have a backpack on that has MK III vents. And what could possibly be a flensing knife? That makes me think its probably for Night Lords, and if so, then I guess it would be a new FW HQ and not a plastic model

I don't see that banner anywhere.

Scroll down a bit : right hand side of the screen, link labeled "Warhammer Fest 2023 - Every Reveal in One Place"

Tsagualsa wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
It's not letting me save the image, but the warcom site has a banner that shows silhouettes of models. The first is obviously for Cities of Sigmar, then the new floating tyranid brain beast, SCE killteam, and then a fourth model.

I'm wondering if this could be the HH one? It has a big banner with a lot of skull trophies, but it looks like it might have a backpack on that has MK III vents. And what could possibly be a flensing knife? That makes me think its probably for Night Lords, and if so, then I guess it would be a new FW HQ and not a plastic model

I don't see that banner anywhere.

The banner does match the shape of the SoH banners from the terminator praetor and tank commander, so it could be for that expansion

Thanks! Turns out i needed to refresh my cache.

I agree with everyone, it's either a Cities of Sigmar hero or (outside chance) and The Old World empire hero, the Tyranid Neurotyrant, one of the Stormcast dudes from Warcry and a Sons of Horus banner character.

So at least one new resin Traitor Character confirmed. Not getting my hopes up.. Maybe WHTOW will be getting most of the screentime tomorrow?

 Snrub wrote:
I've seen this mentioned a few times now in various places. What makes people think there's a new starter set on the way. And what's wrong with the launch box?

A launch box is pretty much a short-lived, deluxe edition of a long-run and more economical starter set. That launch box has been going since last year, and costs £185 with a large pile of shame...

Assuming that it is Vheren Ashurhaddon, Master of the True Sons of Cthonia, are we assuming he'll be resin? I figure he will be, though we do get the occasional plastic named character. Though I doubt IF players will be lucky enough to get two plastic HH characters

Assault Squad in Winter

Yay, Assault Squad in Winter...


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Lol, EPIC teaser, told you!

So Mk3 tactical resculpt in fall and Mk6 assault half a reakin year from now.

Upcoming plastic releases besides the Lancer: updated MkIII models in autumn (plus a Dreadnought, likely Deredeo), MkVI assault squad in Winter, and Command Squad in Spring 24.

 stahly wrote:
Upcoming plastic releases besides the Lancer: MkII models in autumn (plus a Dreadnought, likely Deredeo), MkVI assault squad in Winter, and Command Squad in Spring 24.

MkIII, not MkII.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 stahly wrote:
Upcoming plastic releases besides the Lancer: MkII models in autumn (plus a Dreadnought, likely Deredeo), MkVI assault squad in Winter, and Command Squad in Spring 24.

MkIII, not MkII.

The models they've shown in the artwork look like updated MkII to me, like the tank commander model you get in the HH tank accessories sprue.

A bit sad that the assault squad is more MkVI. Love MkVI, but this would have been the perfect opportunity to make MkV in plastic for the first time.

 stahly wrote:


The models they've shown in the artwork look like updated MkII to me, like the tank commander model you get in the HH tank accessories sprue.

The actual models in front of the Land Raider are very clearly MkIII.

The support squad in the back implies they might come with the full gamut of ranged upgrade kits

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The support squad in the back implies they might come with the full gamut of ranged upgrade kits

Looks like the MkIII are posed to be able to use the current upgrade kits.

Now that you say it... you're right! The graphic also said Mk update, makes sense now.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The support squad in the back implies they might come with the full gamut of ranged upgrade kits

I hope they remember to release the Atomantic Pavise for the Deredeo this time around

 Platuan4th wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The support squad in the back implies they might come with the full gamut of ranged upgrade kits

Looks like the MkIII are posed to be able to use the current upgrade kits.

Mk3 and Mk6 hands are different tho.

So pretty much what I said at the start, in the next 6ish months all we get is 2 resin heroes, with the bonus of being able to use a new plastic knight that's actually intended for 40k.

Pretty excited for this year after that roadmap. It’s not the quickest paced release schedule, but cool stuff coming. I like the new MkIII models (not the most necessary update for sure, but they look really cool to me).

 lord_blackfang wrote:


Mk3 and Mk6 hands are different tho.

Not anymore. Compare the hands on the ones in this pic with the plastic MKVI hands, they're the same now.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:


Mk3 and Mk6 hands are different tho.

Not anymore. Compare the hands on the ones in this pic with the plastic MKVI hands, they're the same now.

It would be clever to have all support etc. weapons interchangeable between Marks.

That's a lame upgrade if you ask me. I'll stick to the current plastic kit thanks.

Which means I better buy a few boxes while I can....

Slightly thicker fingers maybe, but definitely designed for cross-compatibility.

 Matrindur wrote:

Is that a plastic Knight Cerastus?

 Platuan4th wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:


Mk3 and Mk6 hands are different tho.

Not anymore. Compare the hands on the ones in this pic with the plastic MKVI hands, they're the same now.

No, the frontmost guy definitely still has knuckle rivets. As does the Mk2 tank gunner.

 Malika2 wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:

Is that a plastic Knight Cerastus?

Yes,they said it will be plastic.

I'm a bit disappointed that they didn't take the chance to make the Assault Squad Mk5. Would have been lovely to finally have Mk5 in plastic.

I'm betting on the mystery army being custodes as they can also sell them to 40k buyers

 Platuan4th wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The support squad in the back implies they might come with the full gamut of ranged upgrade kits

Looks like the MkIII are posed to be able to use the current upgrade kits.

Yeah as long as the arms are posed and sized correctly the mk6 special weapons should be fine. Its the shoulder mounted heavy weapons that might need new kits. Although these new mk3 do seem to have a less pronounced upper trim than the current kit, so maybe not?
Overall I think this is an improvement. But I will miss the current kits faceplate design.

I'm assuming the roadmaps unnamed Lords of War will be the other Cerastus variants and the Dread will be the Deredeo. I wonder if they will be just direct ports of the FW kits, or if any new options will be added?

New army has gotta be the Mechanicum. Could be very tasty if they get decent plastic kit support.

Those assault squads are going to make GW a lot of money. As long as they have put enough time in there production schedule

 Matrindur wrote:
I'm betting on the mystery army being custodes as they can also sell them to 40k buyers

The resin Custodes are in a lot of places just doubled up versions of the plastic stuff anyway (different termies, different jetbikes). The tanks in plastic would be pretty cool though.

I still think it’s Mechanicum.

 Matrindur wrote:
I'm betting on the mystery army being custodes as they can also sell them to 40k buyers

I'd bet Mechanicus as Winter ties in with the timing of the 40K Mechanicus codex, so making a bunch of plastic stuff useable in both games makes sense.

Not holding my breath, but plastic Thallax would be sweet..

Old-Four-Arms wrote:

Not holding my breath, but plastic Thallax would be sweet..

Yeah, I also don't expect any others to make the jump, but the more that do, the better.

The assault torsos are interesting. Dominion Zephons was basically just the tactical torso

 GaroRobe wrote:
The assault torsos are interesting. Dominion Zephons was basically just the tactical torso

Yeah, they even have an on-off button for the jump pack

A plastic Cerastus Lancer!

If we're getting the Lancer surely the Castigator and Acheron will follow on as well

I agree the mystery army will be something primarily for 40k that can also be used in HH.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I agree the mystery army will be something primarily for 40k that can also be used in HH.

So Admech or Bananas?

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I agree the mystery army will be something primarily for 40k that can also be used in HH.

So Admech or Bananas?

If you go for maximum cross-sales potential it's plastic AdMech with the first DarkMech upgrade sets in resin.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I agree the mystery army will be something primarily for 40k that can also be used in HH.

So Admech or Bananas?

Unless its the rumored "new faction", my bet is on Custodes, who also have a 40k Codex lined up for spring 2024.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I agree the mystery army will be something primarily for 40k that can also be used in HH.

So Admech or Bananas?

If you go for maximum cross-sales potential it's plastic AdMech with the first DarkMech upgrade sets in resin.

Or...DM as a new army for both HH and 40K?

Siegfriedfr wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I agree the mystery army will be something primarily for 40k that can also be used in HH.

So Admech or Bananas?

Unless its the rumored "new faction", my bet is on Custodes, who also have a 40k Codex lined up for spring 2024.

AdMech have their 40k codex in winter too.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I agree the mystery army will be something primarily for 40k that can also be used in HH.

So Admech or Bananas?

If you go for maximum cross-sales potential it's plastic AdMech with the first DarkMech upgrade sets in resin.

Or...DM as a new army for both HH and 40K?

I don't know, 40k is very occupied with cranking out Codexes this year, i'm not sure it's the right time to introduce a totally new force so soon after Votann. But then again, a lot of their decisions look like they were made by intoxicated monkeys lately.

With 40k production lines being as stressed as they are, it makes all too much sense to sneak another 40k release into HH budget.

Could be something as banal as the HH version of Wardog... Moirax was it?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
So pretty much what I said at the start, in the next 6ish months all we get is 2 resin heroes, with the bonus of being able to use a new plastic knight that's actually intended for 40k.

Sales of the Lancer will be counted as HH sales by GW Accounting, regardless of which game it is used for. That kit is going to be used to justify a number of future HH kits by its sales alone.

And unless you've got a source for the claim that the Lancer is "actually intended for 40k", slow your damn roll.

 Dysartes wrote:
Sales of the Lancer will be counted as HH sales by GW Accounting, regardless of which game it is used for. That kit is going to be used to justify a number of future HH kits by its sales alone.

That's... not a bad take.

So the info on the inductii was cool, post-istvaan recruits that have issues either culturally, genetically or logistically due to their rushed indoctrination into the Legions. I don't think those were a thing in HH1 were they? it'll be interesting to see how they're represented

Charax wrote:
So the info on the inductii was cool, post-istvaan recruits that have issues either culturally, genetically or logistically due to their rushed indoctrination into the Legions. I don't think those were a thing in HH1 were they? it'll be interesting to see how they're represented

They were a thing in the background, and I think the World Eaters had some rules around them?

New plastic knights is great. Plastic deredeo is nice.
The upgraded mk armour not so sure about, would rather have gotten mk2 or 5 as new kits.

Assault marines are obviously only something that has been put into design due to community backlash.

Mystery faction, probably admech but maybe imperial army? One can hope.

 ImAGeek wrote:

Charax wrote:
So the info on the inductii was cool, post-istvaan recruits that have issues either culturally, genetically or logistically due to their rushed indoctrination into the Legions. I don't think those were a thing in HH1 were they? it'll be interesting to see how they're represented

They were a thing in the background, and I think the World Eaters had some rules around them?

Yes, they could pump Inductii up with a special character that did medical experiments on them. Inductii as a concept are pretty neat, they're basically the mirror-image inside a Legion to what the Blackshields are outside of one, but i think they lend themselves more to small-scale games or even RPGs. If they play up the 'genetic mistake' thing, their role on the tabletop could be akin to loyalist Possessed-style shock troops.

Oof, a YEAR before Assault Squads....

Not that I'm complaining, but I wonder why the Mk 3s are getting updated before MK 4s? Both do need to be updated into a new scale, but MK 4s came out first (Betrayal at Calth came out years before Assault on Prospero).

Better load up on those Mk 3 helmets and the sheathed chainswords now though. I guess we have 18 weeks of good Mk 3 Legion Upgrade previews to look forward to as well

 tauist wrote:
There were some rumours about a new HH box with assault marines and a new plastic dread some time ago but those rumours were never considered all that credible

I am wondering if that art piece is cover art for a box.

Marines, Land Raider and Dedero.

I think it’s MkII?


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 TalonZahn wrote:
Oof, a YEAR before Assault Squads....

Six to nine months?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I think it’s MkII?


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 TalonZahn wrote:
Oof, a YEAR before Assault Squads....

Six to nine months?

Depends on your definition of Winter. Meteorological it's from December 22 to March 20, so 8-10 months, but you could also read 'Winter' as Q4, in which case you would be correct,