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Post by: Kroothawk
75hastings69 wrote:MajorWesJanson wrote:Tau are next, then Eldar. Sisters, Templars, Orks, and probably Nids need books before IG does. .......
Not quite, remove sisters & Templars...... replace with SM & IG....... Although the order of them might be mixed up a bit 
Oops my mistake, I thought you were listing the order, then I realised you were listing codex that need updating before IG ....... still a little further look ahead in the future of 40k never did any harm did it?
MiyamatoMusashi wrote:I was under the impression it was Tau, Eldar, Orks, SM, Nids, then Guard?
Move the orks
75hastings69 on faeit212 wrote:I suppose I could tell you there are some new units....... but that would be a bit too vague. Hmmm, expect rhino variants, and also a new "suit" smaller than a dread but bigger than a termie. Will that do to start the rumours off?
Natfka wrote:I would imagine a new rhino variant could include a new combined box set of the rhino/razorback/variant or some combination of them?
Two new varients, afaik the current boxes remain unchanged.
SoB.... not on my radar. Templars could well be headed back to the big book.
Templars back in the SM book makes me a sad panda.
Could be, I'm not 100% on this.
(...)
Eldar, new flier, characters and a new uber wraith guard thingy.
(...)
LOADS of stuff for IG
So it's
Tau
Eldar
Space Marines
(Orks?)
Tyranids
(Orks?)
Guard
(Orks?)
(Question mark means, I don't know what Hastings means, not that Hastings doesn't know )
Edit:
Harry wrote:Sami wrote:So: Tau (now), Eldar, SM or IG, SM or IG, Orks, Tyranids.
Thats seems to be about the size of it
I personally thought they were re-doing all of the current 4th edition codexes before moving onto the 5th ones
I keep on saying they are not doing that anymore.
Surprised the Ork book isn't going to get an update sooner
They got loads last time around and Seb is busy with other things.
(Sisters got a 5th WD update whether you liked it or not
NOT! I swear they started these right after Grey knights.
and god-knows what's going on with BT),
Hastings knows. 
Harry wrote:I have never been in a position to "spot" any sculpts, or 'see anything being worked on'. (Ever)
I heard they had started work on a dex and models for Sisters right after I heard they had started work on Grey Knights ... consequently I assumed we would be seeing the results of this project pretty soon after Grey Knights were released ... It never happened. I guess the WD dex was the result of the work being done on the book ... I have no idea what happened to the minis. There were some rumours at the time that they were not happy with them .... but it was nothing I ever heard anything about one way or the other. As far as I am concerned ... it remains a mystery.
75hastings69 wrote:Not being into 40k I don't know what the "traits system" is, however here's what I've heard for the SM codex, you choose a chapter and that choice confers a bonus/bonuses to your army e.g. My imperial fists get tank hunter and bolter drill. Is that similar to what you mean?
I've always thought DA, BA, SW needed their own books, but if they made crusading chapter traits (something that expands beyond BT), then BT could be rolled into that.
AFAIK you are correct, DA, BA & SW remain independent codex armies, other SM chapters are dealt with in the SM codex.
75hastings69 wrote:Hastings, thanks for your rumours, any chance we will see updated jetbikes for the Eldar release and/or plastic Wraithguard?
Yes.
So are Eldar Flyer, Jetbikes, Wraithguard and Uber Wraithguard Thingy? Or are the Wraithguard and the Uber Wraithguard Thingy the same thing?
Not the same thing, there's a huge wraith guard construct type thing (similar to tau) IIRC it has two builds (shooty & cc), also IIRC the actual wraith guard have some kind of CC build option.
75hastings69 wrote:Please keep in mind gents that my "rumours" are nearing end of their lifespan, this is all info I've had for several months already, as I no longer bother with GW there's a good possibility that there are additions to what I've put, I.e. anything that's been added in the last 7-8 months or so.
For those PMing me for SoB info, I have NONE, they aren't on my schedule and I only have heard the same info (from the same posters) as you lot..... allegedly plastics are done & awesome but there's some kind of problem with them (which personally I don't believe - but that's just me )
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Post by: hotsauceman1
So we should see eldar in may then?
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Post by: Kroothawk
No, High Elves in May. Eldar in autumn.
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Post by: MasterSlowPoke
I'd be really surprised. He's just saying Eldar are the next codex, for when the next codex comes out. I'm guessing August, for no real reason.
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Post by: SickSix
Hell, with some of the leaked kit names for SM that came out earlier. I may totally bypass Tau to save up for new SM crap I don't need. Or wait for coincidently very similar looking kits from Poland LOL.
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Post by: Just Dave
Can't complain about Xenos getting updated, but no Sisters? Wow.
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Post by: SkaerKrow
It seems odd that Guard are getting a lot of new stuff (they certainly have a couple of holes in their line, but not *that* many). THIS IS RAMPANT SPECULATION ON MY PART AND NOT A RUMOR, but I wonder if GW is going to retire the Catachan line and add plastic kit support for a different IG regiment?
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Post by: Snrub
The only gaps the IG codex really needs filled are
- Updated Rough Riders.
- Various Artillery (Medusa, Collosus, Griffon).
- Psyker Battle Squad
Kits that would be good but not essential.
- Hydra (this can be mitigated by slapping an ADL quadgun on a chimera)
- Veteran squad w/all the bells and whistles.
Also considering that the IG dex is still going strong there are plenty of other armies that could benefit from an update before we do.
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Post by: whoadirty
 SkaerKrow wrote:It seems odd that Guard are getting a lot of new stuff (they certainly have a couple of holes in their line, but not *that* many). THIS IS RAMPANT SPECULATION ON MY PART AND NOT A RUMOR, but I wonder if GW is going to retire the Catachan line and add plastic kit support for a different IG regiment?
Plastic great coat models would sell pretty well, wouldn't they?
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Post by: Shadox
 Snrub wrote:The only gaps the IG codex really needs filled are
- Updated Rough Riders.
- Various Artillery (Medusa, Collosus, Griffon).
- Psyker Battle Squad
Kits that would be good but not essential.
- Hydra (this can be mitigated by slapping an ADL quadgun on a chimera)
- Veteran squad w/all the bells and whistles.
Also considering that the IG dex is still going strong there are plenty of other armies that could benefit from an update before we do.
Whats the problem with the sanctioned Psykers from the Inquisitorial retinue? You even get 3 of them just add a random guy with a pistol and a chainsword and you are fine.
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
Well with them putting the kabash into bitz sellers, it's going to be hard to field a bona fide Vendetta.
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Post by: Kiwi461
No sisters? Kiwi is a sad boy.
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Post by: Compel
Last I heard, the whole Black Templar thing was pretty much a case of. "We haven't made up our minds yet." And different folk in the studio were in different camps over it.
Though, that could just be wild mass guessing from my part.
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Post by: Samurai_Eduh
I know that we usually don't trust GW managers, but the manager at my local bunker stated that Templars were getting White Dwarfed. I questioned him further and he said that if they appear in an actual codex, it would be in Codex Space Marines, but the current plan is a WD codex for them.
Make of that what you will.
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Post by: d3m01iti0n
Wouldnt surprise me at this point, considering how poorly GW is handling their products lately. But hey, the company in charge of my hobby is embarrassingly gakky and my money would be better spent supporting a more competent business.
Here's hoping they pull their heads out of their asses and keep me (and a million other paying customers) in the game.
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Post by: hotsauceman1
I see them so little, i forgot Black templars existed.
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Post by: Happygrunt
Huh, I was thinking that IG didn't really need an update, just more kits. Good to know that I should start saving now. 
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Post by: orkybenji
Why no sisters? It seems there is a big demand for them.
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Post by: Sidstyler
Maybe Sisters aren't getting updated just because GW couldn't think of any big monsters or flyers to give them that just wouldn't look silly? I mean too silly even for them.
I like Sisters, they're probably my favorite Imperial army and I'd love to see them get an update. I recall GW saying at one time they wouldn't be Squatting any more armies so I'd like to know what the feth they're doing with them exactly, because it's starting to look like they're going down that route.
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Post by: Snrub
 Shadox wrote:Whats the problem with the sanctioned Psykers from the Inquisitorial retinue? You even get 3 of them just add a random guy with a pistol and a chainsword and you are fine.
Oh yeah. Forgot about those guys.
They were IG sanctioned psykers though... They have been taken out of the IG elite section and plonked in the GK elites. As an IG player i'm outraged.
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Post by: cadbren
SOBs should be scrapped and bring out an Ecclessiarchy army instead.
Then Sororitas, Fratis Militia etc can be units within that. A Lightning like in DOW would be a suitable flyer for such an army.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Sisters players are unbearable already when they have a Codex. Making Sisters part of another Codex (rather than a Codex unto themselves) will just make the already massive chip on their collective shoulders grow a secondary co-joined chip.
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Post by: ammp
TL;DR the above.
By the end of 2014, GW will have update (in no order)
Eldar
Orks
Tyranids
Space Marines
Imperial Guard
There will also be a BRAND NEW army by the xmas 2014. More than likely a "mercenary/allies" army (I will put my house on it if Kroot aren't in the Tau codex, literally, not my house but at least a good seeing too).
Good business sense dictates the above, and if GW is anything, they're good "on the surface" business folk... If you think otherwise, you're a keyboard warrior.
Sisters and Black Templar MAY get updates, but we all know GW is a business, and a mass investment in 2 under performing lines that they can fold in to others? NO THANKYOU.
Learn business, move on. get over it, play 3rd party, whatever.
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Post by: Shadox
Snrub wrote: Shadox wrote:Whats the problem with the sanctioned Psykers from the Inquisitorial retinue? You even get 3 of them just add a random guy with a pistol and a chainsword and you are fine.
Oh yeah. Forgot about those guys.
They were IG sanctioned psykers though... They have been taken out of the IG elite section and plonked in the GK elites. As an IG player i'm outraged.
Actually I wasn't aware of that they are not in the IG section anymore just until I looked it up before writing the post, I did not even know what the problem there were with the sanctioned Psykers till then 
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Post by: Snrub
Yeah i didn't know they had been removed either until i looked before. Odd as it is i doubt it means anything.
Unless....
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Post by: hotsauceman1
I would be willing to bet eldar are going to be here by august.
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Post by: TheHarleqwin
I hope not. I've not yet finished collecting my Tau or Nids, and my Eldar were on hold until the new dex. I actually can't decide what to make priority now.
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Post by: SoloFalcon1138
So am I right in thinking this has neither news nor rumors in it?
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Post by: Azreal13
So what do you call a quote from one of the most consistently reliable rumourmongers still posting anywhere?
A shopping list?
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Post by: overtyrant
I know I'll not make any friends with this but I feel all marines (minus SW) could and should be in a single uber book of marine goodness and not so spread out.
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Post by: Kroothawk
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Post by: tvih
ammp wrote:TL;DR the above.
Sisters and Black Templar MAY get updates, but we all know GW is a business, and a mass investment in 2 under performing lines that they can fold in to others? NO THANKYOU.
Well duh, obviously lines that don't get updated underperform compared to those that do get updated. From what I've heard BT were massively popular when they first were introduced (and even being on the 3rd Edition rulebook cover). Now it's like 7,5 years since BT has been updated, so is it any wonder any new players will go for the more recently updated marines instead? Except me, as I when I started buying in July I ended up getting BT stuff before I had any idea of the rules and age of codices or whatever. I don't regret it, because BT are cool, but I reckon I'm more the exception than the rule in this case.
Sisters are in a similar place. While they might not be as popular as any marine codex, I'm sure they'd sell a fair bit if there were plastic kits for them instead of the ridiculously expensive metal models. I know I'd get myself some Sisters if the price wasn't so high.
Still, BT rumors haven't been and still aren't in any way anything but a massive pile of salt. So many contradictory things flying around that it's a case of we'll see when we see. IF they do get rolled into C: SM that's not necessarily a disaster, as long as they manage to keep the " BT style" alive. And I'll be getting the new SM codex anyway for my C: SM contingent.
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Post by: Sigvatr
Who else is not surprised by no sisters?
It's just logical marketing. Nobody plays Sisters of Sandwiches. Yeah, a few do and those few are vocal on forums, but given the greater perspective, nobody does. Yes, one reason is them being uber-expensive. And models looking ridiculously ugly (generic troopers with dat hair...). But why would you waste time and effort on a codex for an army nobody plays anyway? I strongly doubt that it would pay off sales-wise and thus, Sisters are better off being left alone. Either remove them or just make another WD codex.
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Post by: WarOne
Sisters gets no love anyway, so for GW it really hits the back burner. Kind of feeds a vicious cycle when all models are squirreled away in warehouses, the only legal codex is out of print, and people have to pay full retail price to get any models.
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Post by: unmercifulconker
I think I will actually cry if Templars are not seperated, or atleast if they become a generic chapter. TBH if they will no longer have their special flavour, I will most probably sell and give up for a while, although I have a chaos army, my main guys and favourite chapter is the Templars and getting rid of what makes them special would toss me out the game. :(
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Post by: Yodhrin
Snrub wrote:The only gaps the IG codex really needs filled are
- Updated Rough Riders.
- Various Artillery (Medusa, Collosus, Griffon).
- Psyker Battle Squad
Kits that would be good but not essential.
- Hydra (this can be mitigated by slapping an ADL quadgun on a chimera)
- Veteran squad w/all the bells and whistles.
Also considering that the IG dex is still going strong there are plenty of other armies that could benefit from an update before we do.
What the IG need is a plastic troops box that isn't awful. The current plastics are the way they are because the technology required it at the time, but the technology has advanced, and "lulz heroic scale" is wearing pretty thin as an excuse these days when you have FW's "actually heroic instead of man-dwarf scale" and several other companies putting out much better proportioned plastic infantry. I know we're not likely to get that given GW's current "effort? whuzzat?" business strategy, but one can dream.
ammp wrote:
Good business sense dictates the above, and if GW is anything, they're good "on the surface" business folk... If you think otherwise, you're a keyboard warrior.
Sisters and Black Templar MAY get updates, but we all know GW is a business, and a mass investment in 2 under performing lines that they can fold in to others? NO THANKYOU.
Learn business, move on. get over it, play 3rd party, whatever.
And if you think GW has good business sense, you're an Armchair Accountant. Seriously, you have to admire the mass-brainwashing neo-liberal financiers have pulled on people over the last thirty years, they've managed to convince most people that "short-termist profit making at any cost in service of personal enrichment" is the only definition of "good business".
As for a mass investment in an under-perfoming line; what, like Dark Eldar, who went from virtually non-existent to one of the company's strongest selling lines? Hell, I wouldn't even object to seeing BT rolled into the main Marine 'dex and Sisters as part of the supposed Allies supplement, I just think your entire premise is faulty.
Also, Kroothawk, I must know where that amazing mobile cathedral is from(the last of your images); is there a construction thread about anywhere?
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Post by: JudgeShamgar
That is the "yin-yang" of GW product lines. Dark Eldar was a huge hit, but the LOTR slide into the miserable Hobbit sales was almost a given. It seems like they just plod along with little heed to what people are buying or playing.
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Post by: 1hadhq
 Kroothawk wrote:75hastings69 wrote:MajorWesJanson wrote:Tau are next, then Eldar. Sisters, Templars, Orks, and probably Nids need books before IG does. .......
Not quite, remove sisters & Templars...... replace with SM & IG....... Although the order of them might be mixed up a bit
Oops my mistake, I thought you were listing the order, then I realised you were listing codex that need updating before IG ....... still a little further look ahead in the future of 40k never did any harm did it?
MiyamatoMusashi wrote:I was under the impression it was Tau, Eldar, Orks, SM, Nids, then Guard?
Move the orks
75hastings69 on faeit212 wrote:I suppose I could tell you there are some new units....... but that would be a bit too vague. Hmmm, expect rhino variants, and also a new "suit" smaller than a dread but bigger than a termie. Will that do to start the rumours off?
Natfka wrote:I would imagine a new rhino variant could include a new combined box set of the rhino/razorback/variant or some combination of them?
Two new varients, afaik the current boxes remain unchanged.
SoB.... not on my radar. Templars could well be headed back to the big book.
Templars back in the SM book makes me a sad panda.
Could be, I'm not 100% on this.
(...)
Eldar, new flier, characters and a new uber wraith guard thingy.
(...)
LOADS of stuff for IG
So it's
Tau
Eldar
Space Marines
(Orks?)
Tyranids
(Orks?)
Guard
(Orks?)
(Question mark means, I don't know what Hastings means, not that Hastings doesn't know )
Why no un-Imperial year? ( sorry if un-Imperial doesn't exist.  )
I Don't need Space Marines.. 
Guard has some missing kits and a lot of possibilities in their range of uniforms, but a new dex?
Space Marines are fine with their traditional : Scout armor , power armor, TDA and dread. There is no hole to fill . 
"suits" .. unneccessary. 
Rhino based variants however seem an easy add-on. Is anything missing? Any weapon not mounted on a rhino chassis? No?
Could see the BT "white dwarfed". But dear GW... We BT fans are not interested in MC's or toyish kits like chibi-designs and dreaded knights!
Maybe the SoB like a flying cathedral or two. Or a oversized penitent engine. Or a chance to have a real codex again.
So:
Tau
Eldar
Orks / Tyranids
a few boxes of Guard spread in
SoB return
BT kept
is all I want.
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Post by: unmercifulconker
I woudlnt complain about an actual dread knight but I just want updated rules really, couldnt give a toss about new models for BT, all we need is updated fury and zealotry.
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Post by: Flashman
I can see Sisters getting the DE treatment. Eventually.
The fact is that Sisters as they stand don't have a hugely varied model line. It's basically just Nuns with Space Marine weapons and vehicles.
They need a huge DE style rethink which is probably going on at the moment.
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Post by: RiTides
 Mathieu Raymond wrote:Well with them putting the kabash into bitz sellers, it's going to be hard to field a bona fide Vendetta.
Why is this? Does the Vendetta kit not come with enough... lascannons or something? Just curious...
Flashman- If they're getting that treatment, it's way down the road, seemingly... i.e. not in 2014...
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Post by: AlmightyWalrus
 RiTides wrote: Mathieu Raymond wrote:Well with them putting the kabash into bitz sellers, it's going to be hard to field a bona fide Vendetta.
Why is this? Does the Vendetta kit not come with enough... lascannons or something? Just curious...
Flashman- If they're getting that treatment, it's way down the road, seemingly... i.e. not in 2014...
There is no Vendetta kit. The Valkyrie kit only comes with 1 Lascannon.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Mathieu Raymond wrote:Well with them putting the kabash into bitz sellers, it's going to be hard to field a bona fide Vendetta.
My heart weeps
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Post by: RiTides
Got it, thanks! I'll probably be getting an alternate model for one anyway, when I get my Dreamforge stormtroopers... err, I mean IG allies together 
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Post by: TedNugent
I swear to god, if GW releases another SM Codex before they release my new Orks, I'm going to fly down to their HQ and leave a flaming bag of dookie outside their front door and ring the doorbell.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Harry wrote:Sami wrote:So: Tau (now), Eldar, SM or IG, SM or IG, Orks, Tyranids.
Thats seems to be about the size of it
I personally thought they were re-doing all of the current 4th edition codexes before moving onto the 5th ones
I keep on saying they are not doing that anymore.
Surprised the Ork book isn't going to get an update sooner
They got loads last time around and Seb is busy with other things.
(Sisters got a 5th WD update whether you liked it or not
NOT! I swear they started these right after Grey knights.
and god-knows what's going on with BT),
Hastings knows.
Sigvatr wrote:It's just logical marketing. Nobody plays Sisters of Sandwiches.
Actually it isn't. Wood Elves and Dark Eldar were niche ugly armies before the last release, but proved tremendously popular after a well done re-release. Most people already have Space Marines, so would buy only a flyer or two. You get more money out of a full new release with many people starting a new army.
1hadhq wrote:Why no un-Imperial year? ( sorry if un-Imperial doesn't exist. )
We never get closer to a non-Imperial year than now, just start counting with February.
Yodhrin wrote:Also, Kroothawk, I must know where that amazing mobile cathedral is from(the last of your images); is there a construction thread about anywhere?
Couldn't find it on the internet, just saved a long time ago on my hard drive. But here two other views. Seems a straight forward conversion using 2 baneblades and a load of City of Death tiles.
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Post by: Sasori
 Sigvatr wrote:Who else is not surprised by no sisters?
It's just logical marketing. Nobody plays Sisters of Sandwiches. Yeah, a few do and those few are vocal on forums, but given the greater perspective, nobody does. Yes, one reason is them being uber-expensive. And models looking ridiculously ugly (generic troopers with dat hair...). But why would you waste time and effort on a codex for an army nobody plays anyway? I strongly doubt that it would pay off sales-wise and thus, Sisters are better off being left alone. Either remove them or just make another WD codex.
Well, Necrons and Dark Eldar were in a similar boat as well.
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Post by: Earthbeard
 Sasori wrote: Sigvatr wrote:Who else is not surprised by no sisters?
It's just logical marketing. Nobody plays Sisters of Sandwiches. Yeah, a few do and those few are vocal on forums, but given the greater perspective, nobody does. Yes, one reason is them being uber-expensive. And models looking ridiculously ugly (generic troopers with dat hair...). But why would you waste time and effort on a codex for an army nobody plays anyway? I strongly doubt that it would pay off sales-wise and thus, Sisters are better off being left alone. Either remove them or just make another WD codex.
Well, Necrons and Dark Eldar were in a similar boat as well.
Purely anecdotal sure, But i've never seen Sisters as a full army on the table in all my years gaming, the odd unit in Inquisitor lists, but never as an army itself.
If they get a big revamp and release, Great for them, but it's no major loss, same with BT being rolled into SM codex, sure we have old quotes and statements, saying no one willl ever get 'squatted' but this is GW, do you really expect that statement to last or stay true?
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Post by: GiraffeX
 AlmightyWalrus wrote: RiTides wrote: Mathieu Raymond wrote:Well with them putting the kabash into bitz sellers, it's going to be hard to field a bona fide Vendetta.
Why is this? Does the Vendetta kit not come with enough... lascannons or something? Just curious...
Flashman- If they're getting that treatment, it's way down the road, seemingly... i.e. not in 2014...
There is no Vendetta kit. The Valkyrie kit only comes with 1 Lascannon.
There is a Vendetta kit - http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Navy/VALKYRIE_VENDETTA_CONVERSION_KIT.html
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Post by: AlmightyWalrus
That's a conversion kit, but yes, it's easy to get enough lascannons. The Valkyrie still doesn't have more than one lascannon though.
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Post by: Sigvatr
Sasori wrote: Sigvatr wrote:Who else is not surprised by no sisters? It's just logical marketing. Nobody plays Sisters of Sandwiches. Yeah, a few do and those few are vocal on forums, but given the greater perspective, nobody does. Yes, one reason is them being uber-expensive. And models looking ridiculously ugly (generic troopers with dat hair...). But why would you waste time and effort on a codex for an army nobody plays anyway? I strongly doubt that it would pay off sales-wise and thus, Sisters are better off being left alone. Either remove them or just make another WD codex.
Well, Necrons and Dark Eldar were in a similar boat as well.
Far from it. Especially Necrons and, to a lesser degree, DE were not a rare sight in gaming stores. Sure, they weren't Space Marines, but you used to see them pop up now and then in 5th. Sisters? Far from it. I cannot even remember the last time I saw a SoB player at a tournament, let alone in a friendly. If GW wants to sell SoB, they need to sex them up. Make them look attractive, not those really ugly female troopers. Sure, it's "lame" if you need sexy minis to make people play Sisters, but alas, either sex them up or drop the entire army. SoB are female Space Marines minus the Marine. They don't even fill a niche. So if GW is smart, they don't update SoB unless they have a REALLY REALLY awesome financial year allowing them for a release that will not generate a lot of money. Even a new release will not get a lot of new Sisters players in. On second thought, just drop them :/
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Post by: Flashman
I believe a well thought out Sisters release would sell really well (ridiculous pricing not withstanding). However, as I alluded to in my earlier post, they need to move away from the female space marine approach and make them a more distinct army.
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Post by: Sigvatr
 Flashman wrote:I believe a well thought out Sisters release would sell really well (ridiculous pricing not withstanding). However, as I alluded to in my earlier post, they need to move away from the female space marine approach and make them a more distinct army.
Precisely. Until I faced SoB the first time, I always pictured them being female Space Marines and then found out they are more like in between SM and IG soldiers. Just being female isn't enought for a distinctive feature - but I don't know where to go with SoB given their fluff. First of all, GW should really stop making them out as *the* losers of 40k in every codex. Still, I don't see it being a considerable financial success. Necrons e.g. became popular because they already were a set army, a lot of people used to play them, and with the new release, they jumped back in. SoB - just don't. Nobody plays them. What would be the player's motivation to pick up a new army?
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Post by: Flashman
Sigvatr wrote:Still, I don't see it being a considerable financial success. Necrons e.g. became popular because they already were a set army, a lot of people used to play them, and with the new release, they jumped back in. SoB - just don't. Nobody plays them. What would be the player's motivation to pick up a new army?
1. Girls are always a big selling point in Fantasy/Sci-Fi (something I don't think GW exploits as much as it should) and aside from the odd Eldar, Sisters are the only girls in town.
2. A 10+ year wait for DE V2.0 made them see really fresh and new when they were finally released. Sisters are pretty much in the same position now.
3. New plastics for miniatures that have only ever been in metal generally seem to be well received by the Warhammer crowd.
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Post by: Just Dave
Flashman wrote: Sigvatr wrote:Still, I don't see it being a considerable financial success. Necrons e.g. became popular because they already were a set army, a lot of people used to play them, and with the new release, they jumped back in. SoB - just don't. Nobody plays them. What would be the player's motivation to pick up a new army?
1. Girls are always a big selling point in Fantasy/Sci-Fi (something I don't think GW exploits as much as it should) and aside from the odd Eldar, Sisters are the only girls in town.
2. A 10+ year wait for DE V2.0 made them see really fresh and new when they were finally released. Sisters are pretty much in the same position now.
3. New plastics for miniatures that have only ever been in metal generally seem to be well received by the Warhammer crowd.
I agree with Flashman, I think a thorough, well thought out (ha!) Sisters release would go down really well.
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Post by: Lobokai
Hm, so no new sister release, but IG is a getting a ton of new stuff.... like, maybe, SoB? Maybe SoB and IG are just going to find a book together? SoB aren't much more than vets with PA.
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BTW: if BT get folded into the Big Book, I was one if not the first to call that back when 6th came out and took so much crap for it.
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Post by: edweird
We were discussing this before our trip to GAMA, and since everyone has eaten humble pie at my FLGS from the last 3 GW predictions I made that came though... (monthly codex releases, return of white dwarf rules supplements, and a lack of resistance to FW items being used in the GT format).
The way I look at it is there is a group of army codexs that were built with 6th edition in mind at the end of 5th... of them Imperial Guard, Blood Angels, Grey Knights, Necrons. Some very much more than others. In addition there are a few codexs that clearly are not built for this edition and have been shoehorned with supplements and errata for the time being.
All that being said, we discussed having a codex betting pool but have yet to act on it... so if I was GW(standard statement that gives pause in my FLGS now)... this is the way I would do it.
Apr- Tau obviously, hell I got them to acknowledge it at the booth at GAMA, so there's your confirmation.
May- Eldar/High Elves... no sense arguing it, clearly the fiction releases back part of it and the rumor mill is already hot on this one already
Jun- Orks also already on the rumor mill... easy pickings still
Jul- Vanilla Marines, clearly already late in the edition for them already and duct taping things to their go to entry level codex is wearing thin.
Aug- Tyranids- mashing the two most ubiquious xenos baddies before and after the new Ultraderp book makes obvious sense.
Sept- Black Templar... yes I know, but I don't think GW has it in them to squat a codex again. Also august has a historic 2 month lull in sales so putting easy nostalgia out makes sense, and gasp... helps retailers.
Oct- Sisters, same theory on the august lull... also I'm a primarily sisters player so I just cant help myself. But I am trying to be reasonable with it. Also I think BT/Sisters should be natural allies(battle brothers) in the new codex due to similar missions and mantras... also marketing wise, witchhunt in october? clearly winning.
Nov- Imperial Guard makes sense for after SoB, hopefully with some awesome allies modifications within(although my money is on white dwarf chapter approved) to create genestealer cults, traitor guard, arbites, tau auxiliaries.
Dec- Space Wolves- Amazing timing for Xmass release, a good guy winter army in winter is too great of a marketing chance for GW to ignore. Finally the flyerless space wolves get with the program... although I expect it to be minimal due to LR's boots on the ground axiom.
Jan- Dark Eldar, I needed to break up the imperial love and they are the first of the built with 6th in mind to get rules refresh imho
Feb- Blood Angels, they could of easily gone a month earlier but I felt the need to break up the imperial train
Mar- Grey Knights, next best prepared for 6th and I argue the current codex sets the bar in which 6th is built on power level wise
Apr- Necrons, clearly built for 6th and last for refresh.
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Post by: Kroothawk
 edweird wrote:All that being said, we discussed having a codex betting pool but have yet to act on it... so if I was GW(standard statement that gives pause in my FLGS now)... this is the way I would do it.
Apr- Tau obviously, hell I got them to acknowledge it at the booth at GAMA, so there's your confirmation.
Only one Codex per month? Why not 3? In addition to 2 army books and Hobbit supplements per month of course.
Anyway:
Harry wrote:I have never been in a position to "spot" any sculpts, or 'see anything being worked on'. (Ever)
I heard they had started work on a dex and models for Sisters right after I heard they had started work on Grey Knights ... consequently I assumed we would be seeing the results of this project pretty soon after Grey Knights were released ... It never happened. I guess the WD dex was the result of the work being done on the book ... I have no idea what happened to the minis. There were some rumours at the time that they were not happy with them .... but it was nothing I ever heard anything about one way or the other. As far as I am concerned ... it remains a mystery.
75hastings69 wrote:Not being into 40k I don't know what the "traits system" is, however here's what I've heard for the SM codex, you choose a chapter and that choice confers a bonus/bonuses to your army e.g. My imperial fists get tank hunter and bolter drill. Is that similar to what you mean?
I've always thought DA, BA, SW needed their own books, but if they made crusading chapter traits (something that expands beyond BT), then BT could be rolled into that.
AFAIK you are correct, DA, BA & SW remain independent codex armies, other SM chapters are dealt with in the SM codex.
I would still like to know, where to put the Ork release.
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Post by: MetalOxide
Flashman wrote: Sigvatr wrote:Still, I don't see it being a considerable financial success. Necrons e.g. became popular because they already were a set army, a lot of people used to play them, and with the new release, they jumped back in. SoB - just don't. Nobody plays them. What would be the player's motivation to pick up a new army?
1. Girls are always a big selling point in Fantasy/Sci-Fi (something I don't think GW exploits as much as it should) and aside from the odd Eldar, Sisters are the only girls in town.
2. A 10+ year wait for DE V2.0 made them see really fresh and new when they were finally released. Sisters are pretty much in the same position now.
3. New plastics for miniatures that have only ever been in metal generally seem to be well received by the Warhammer crowd.
Don't forget that it would appeal to the female demographic which I think is actually larger than people make it out to be.
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Post by: hotsauceman1
IF it is that, I would be kinda surprised. What happned that cause GW to go from 3 codexes a year with intermittent releases to 3 in four months?
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Post by: Mad4Minis
 d3m01iti0n wrote:Wouldnt surprise me at this point, considering how poorly GW is handling their products lately. But hey, the company in charge of my hobby is embarrassingly gakky and my money would be better spent supporting a more competent business.
Here's hoping they pull their heads out of their asses and keep me (and a million other paying customers) in the game.
I gave up on them. Almost got into 40k with a buddy of mine. I was going to do Tau, got excited to find out they were getting updated. Only problem was every time I read something about the mechanics of the game I couldnt help thinking "that sounds dumb, what a slowed unbalanced deal that is, this game doesnt sound fun at all". After having that thought recur several dozen times, and my friend agreeing, we went with Warmachine.
We both love the fluff and the minis...but a crappy game is a crappy game. The rules are what makes a game fun or not...and GWs rules are not fun.
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Post by: UltraPrime
So, your 'prediction' is 40K will be completely updated in one year. And GW is abandoning Fantasy and The Hobbit. Yeah, I can see that...
One lucky guess and two forgone conclusions does not a seer make.
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Post by: AlmightyWalrus
 Mad4Minis wrote: d3m01iti0n wrote:Wouldnt surprise me at this point, considering how poorly GW is handling their products lately. But hey, the company in charge of my hobby is embarrassingly gakky and my money would be better spent supporting a more competent business.
Here's hoping they pull their heads out of their asses and keep me (and a million other paying customers) in the game.
I gave up on them. Almost got into 40k with a buddy of mine. I was going to do Tau, got excited to find out they were getting updated. Only problem was every time I read something about the mechanics of the game I couldnt help thinking "that sounds dumb, what a slowed unbalanced deal that is, this game doesnt sound fun at all". After having that thought recur several dozen times, and my friend agreeing, we went with Warmachine.
We both love the fluff and the minis...but a crappy game is a crappy game. The rules are what makes a game fun or not...and GWs rules are not fun.
Hate to say it, but if you "almost" got into 40k, how do you know the rules suck? I'm not saying you're wrong, but that's a pretty decent hole in your argument.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
 MetalOxide wrote:
Don't forget that it would appeal to the female demographic which I think is actually larger than people make it out to be.
And they are all perfectly happy playing Tyranids.
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Post by: jonolikespie
AlmightyWalrus wrote: Mad4Minis wrote: d3m01iti0n wrote:Wouldnt surprise me at this point, considering how poorly GW is handling their products lately. But hey, the company in charge of my hobby is embarrassingly gakky and my money would be better spent supporting a more competent business.
Here's hoping they pull their heads out of their asses and keep me (and a million other paying customers) in the game.
I gave up on them. Almost got into 40k with a buddy of mine. I was going to do Tau, got excited to find out they were getting updated. Only problem was every time I read something about the mechanics of the game I couldnt help thinking "that sounds dumb, what a slowed unbalanced deal that is, this game doesnt sound fun at all". After having that thought recur several dozen times, and my friend agreeing, we went with Warmachine.
We both love the fluff and the minis...but a crappy game is a crappy game. The rules are what makes a game fun or not...and GWs rules are not fun.
Hate to say it, but if you "almost" got into 40k, how do you know the rules suck? I'm not saying you're wrong, but that's a pretty decent hole in your argument.
Um, because in the very next sentence he says every time he looked at the rules they seemed bad?
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Post by: 1hadhq
Kroothawk wrote:
75hastings69 wrote:Not being into 40k I don't know what the "traits system" is, however here's what I've heard for the SM codex, you choose a chapter and that choice confers a bonus/bonuses to your army e.g. My imperial fists get tank hunter and bolter drill. Is that similar to what you mean?
I would still like to know, where to put the Ork release.
Bah, traits is soo 4th ed... 
Orks are put into the SM dex, just different traits given..
But I could see them running with USR as "traits", still a disservice to those with the less "useful" ones then. If we would need codex SM at all so soon.
Plus, am not going to have my Templars join the codex astartes huggers.  
Maybe: Tau, Eldar, summer expansion book in english only and temporary ie limited, orks, nids.
And a few IG kits... ??? Because orks love to loot IG stuff...
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Post by: AlmightyWalrus
 jonolikespie wrote: AlmightyWalrus wrote: Mad4Minis wrote: d3m01iti0n wrote:Wouldnt surprise me at this point, considering how poorly GW is handling their products lately. But hey, the company in charge of my hobby is embarrassingly gakky and my money would be better spent supporting a more competent business.
Here's hoping they pull their heads out of their asses and keep me (and a million other paying customers) in the game.
I gave up on them. Almost got into 40k with a buddy of mine. I was going to do Tau, got excited to find out they were getting updated. Only problem was every time I read something about the mechanics of the game I couldnt help thinking "that sounds dumb, what a slowed unbalanced deal that is, this game doesnt sound fun at all". After having that thought recur several dozen times, and my friend agreeing, we went with Warmachine.
We both love the fluff and the minis...but a crappy game is a crappy game. The rules are what makes a game fun or not...and GWs rules are not fun.
Hate to say it, but if you "almost" got into 40k, how do you know the rules suck? I'm not saying you're wrong, but that's a pretty decent hole in your argument.
Um, because in the very next sentence he says every time he looked at the rules they seemed bad?
To run with a ridiculous but true example, I didn't think ketchup on strawberries was going to taste good, but it did. You don't know if you'll hate the rules for sure until you've tried it. Then again, coming into the game with a "these rules are going to suck!" mentality isn't conductive to liking the rules.
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Post by: stubacca
I'm just happy Tau are next inline to get a codex, screw everyone else! haha
Any more rumours on a supposedly new army at the end of next year?
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Post by: Yodhrin
jonolikespie wrote: AlmightyWalrus wrote: Mad4Minis wrote: d3m01iti0n wrote:Wouldnt surprise me at this point, considering how poorly GW is handling their products lately. But hey, the company in charge of my hobby is embarrassingly gakky and my money would be better spent supporting a more competent business.
Here's hoping they pull their heads out of their asses and keep me (and a million other paying customers) in the game.
I gave up on them. Almost got into 40k with a buddy of mine. I was going to do Tau, got excited to find out they were getting updated. Only problem was every time I read something about the mechanics of the game I couldnt help thinking "that sounds dumb, what a slowed unbalanced deal that is, this game doesnt sound fun at all". After having that thought recur several dozen times, and my friend agreeing, we went with Warmachine.
We both love the fluff and the minis...but a crappy game is a crappy game. The rules are what makes a game fun or not...and GWs rules are not fun.
Hate to say it, but if you "almost" got into 40k, how do you know the rules suck? I'm not saying you're wrong, but that's a pretty decent hole in your argument.
Um, because in the very next sentence he says every time he looked at the rules they seemed bad?
I knew what Hot Dogs were long before I ever ate one, I saw videos of them being made, I knew exactly what scrapings and back-passage-bits went into them, and it put me right off. Wouldn't touch them. Then I tried one, and guess what; they're delicious.
The reason there are dozens of variations on the sentiment "don't knock it 'till you've tried it" floating about is because it's a valid point, so unless "looked at " means "played several games", then he's absolutely correct to say that it's a hole in their argument.
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Post by: Kroothawk
75hastings69 wrote:Hastings, thanks for your rumours, any chance we will see updated jetbikes for the Eldar release and/or plastic Wraithguard?
Yes.
So are Eldar Flyer, Jetbikes, Wraithguard and Uber Wraithguard Thingy? Or are the Wraithguard and the Uber Wraithguard Thingy the same thing?
Not the same thing, there's a huge wraith guard construct type thing (similar to tau) IIRC it has two builds (shooty & cc), also IIRC the actual wraith guard have some kind of CC build option.
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Post by: Just Dave
 Yodhrin wrote:I knew what Hot Dogs were long before I ever ate one, I saw videos of them being made, I knew exactly what scrapings and back-passage-bits went into them, and it put me right off. Wouldn't touch them. Then I tried one, and guess what; they're delicious.
The reason there are dozens of variations on the sentiment "don't knock it 'till you've tried it" floating about is because it's a valid point, so unless "looked at " means "played several games", then he's absolutely correct to say that it's a hole in their argument.
I disagree (to an extent). Whilst "don't knock it 'til you've tried it" is a extremely valid point and there is somewhat a hole in his argument, I wouldn't underestimate how much you can glean just from looking at it.
For example, I needn't even own the Chaos Space Marine or Chaos Daemons Codex to be able to identify weak points or where/how units can be improved. With a bit of logical thinking I strongly believe you can learn a whole lot about the 40K rules just from looking at them. Automatically Appended Next Post: Kroothawk wrote:75hastings69 wrote:stahly wrote:Hastings, thanks for your rumours, any chance we will see updated jetbikes for the Eldar release and/or plastic Wraithguard?
Yes.
And Seer Council bikes...?
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Post by: edweird
Kroothawk...I enjoy the hyperbole but I am referring to one 40k codex per month, whether or not a fantasy or lotr book drops is far less stable. Especially from the clues and feedback I got from my conversation with the GW (pant)suit at GAMA. A 40k codex a month is clearly the model they are trying to continue this edition.
I know I am no authority or insider... clearly not making a claim of that. But I can read into conversations with folks, and I just wanted to share to the opinion cycle. Opinions are like donkey-caves, we all have them and they all stink.
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
I think we missed an important point further up the chain:
Ketchup on strawberries, really?
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Post by: Nagashek
MetalOxide wrote: Flashman wrote: Sigvatr wrote:Still, I don't see it being a considerable financial success. Necrons e.g. became popular because they already were a set army, a lot of people used to play them, and with the new release, they jumped back in. SoB - just don't. Nobody plays them. What would be the player's motivation to pick up a new army?
1. Girls are always a big selling point in Fantasy/Sci-Fi (something I don't think GW exploits as much as it should) and aside from the odd Eldar, Sisters are the only girls in town.
2. A 10+ year wait for DE V2.0 made them see really fresh and new when they were finally released. Sisters are pretty much in the same position now.
3. New plastics for miniatures that have only ever been in metal generally seem to be well received by the Warhammer crowd.
Don't forget that it would appeal to the female demographic which I think is actually larger than people make it out to be.
Much larger. And larger still if GW gave them an all (or largely) girl army to play. I was starting up a 40k campaign and both female players wanting to start a 40k army wanted to do SoB. Then they realised it was over $50 (plus shipping) per squad, with limited possibilities for discounts or even Ebaying anymore. One went Daemons (for a BF that was never assembled because the army was too boring for her) and the other for Eldar. The Eldar player did several female conversions, but got out with the advent of 6th ed. She said she'd start again if Exodite world rules are in the next codex. Thankfully I know GW, so I won't have to worry about that any time soon.
The new Tau big robot looks cool. Not playing the game anymore but I'll scan the codex, maybe consider buying the model to paint. Maybe.
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Post by: Kroothawk
edweird wrote:Kroothawk...I enjoy the hyperbole but I am referring to one 40k codex per month, whether or not a fantasy or lotr book drops is far less stable.
I wouldn't call the rumour of Warhammer Fantasy and Hobbit being discontinued confirmed yet, whatever your sources are
Actually, we know quite well, which army books will be released in the next 2.5 years.
Anyway:
75hastings69 wrote:Please keep in mind gents that my "rumours" are nearing end of their lifespan, this is all info I've had for several months already, as I no longer bother with GW there's a good possibility that there are additions to what I've put, I.e. anything that's been added in the last 7-8 months or so.
For those PMing me for SoB info, I have NONE, they aren't on my schedule and I only have heard the same info (from the same posters) as you lot..... allegedly plastics are done & awesome but there's some kind of problem with them (which personally I don't believe - but that's just me )
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Post by: hotsauceman1
Well, Plastic Miniatures are a step in the right direction.
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Post by: Shandara
Plastics done for Sisters and being awesome and delayed..
That's not a rumor, it's been said so many times it's positively fact now!
Eternally delayed.
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Post by: Harriticus
Que horribly designed Eldar flyer in 3...2...
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Post by: Absolutionis
GW designers seem to completely omit/ignore the design of the tail end of their flyers; hence, most flyers end up looking like silly front-heavy toys. Eldar are the one aesthetic that actually looks fine when having the front-focused scythe design; it worked for Dark Eldar, and the currently existing Nightwing looks great.
I have hope...
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Post by: Compel
I think you've got a point there as far as the front loading goes. They do seem to end up forgetting.
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Post by: edweird
UltraPrime wrote:
So, your 'prediction' is 40K will be completely updated in one year. And GW is abandoning Fantasy and The Hobbit. Yeah, I can see that...
One lucky guess and two forgone conclusions does not a seer make.
I never said they were abandoning fantasy or the LotR lines... although abandoning the LotR line would make quite a few retailers happy. I don't quite know where everyone is assuming that I infer that Fantasy is getting the axe. In fact I think it is the most venerable of the 3 lines, but monthly army book drops is a trend that is yet to establish itself if at all.
 Absolutionis wrote:GW designers seem to completely omit/ignore the design of the tail end of their flyers; hence, most flyers end up looking like silly front-heavy toys. Eldar are the one aesthetic that actually looks fine when having the front-focused scythe design; it worked for Dark Eldar, and the currently existing Nightwing looks great.
I have hope...
GW sculptors have always been obsessed with forced perspectives... But yes I fully agree, all 40k fliers suffer from junk in the front syndrome that would give the weight and balance team on any airforce base an aneurysm.
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Post by: Melissia
So again, no news on Sisters, and looks like we'll be getting yet another generic marine codex before we get Guard or Orks, too.
No surprise there. Just disappointment.
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Post by: Ma55ter_fett
I would be on board for a new eldar codex/army. Might just get me back into 40k.
I don't know how I feel about my templars anymore, "disillusioned" about covers it.
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
 Melissia wrote:So again, no news on Sisters, and looks like we'll be getting yet another generic marine codex before we get Guard or Orks, too.
No surprise there. Just disappointment.
5th edition started out with Generic Marines followed by IG.
Orks are kind of hazy, being after Eldar and likely after SM, possibly after IG as well. But at the rate of releases, we could see Eldar in Oct (some say Nov, but I expect Oct since High elves are in May, and Lizardmen would then be in Nov, so Fantasy doesn't get two books in a row [daemons are a special case]) Then if next year sees the same release rate, say Marines in January, IG in March/April, Orks in May or bumped to Oct.
Black Templars being added to the vanilla marine dex may be dissapointing for full on BT players, but looking at their book, it could be done easily- by adding 3 special characters to the Marine book, an option for Initiate squads. Righteous Zeal could become a warlord trait attached to Helbrecht, and Vows a special chart attached to the EC. Then add 3-4 pages of BT fluff and 1-2 pages worth of entries to the timeline, and they are covered. Taking the BT book out of the lineup would reduce the superabundance of MEQ books by a bit, with the minimum of overall adjustment. Plus, adding BT, the new Terminator+ suits and rhino variants, maybe a recut kit or two, and bringing back traits, and the Vanilla Marine codex is done.
On the plus side for BT players, if they get folded into the main SM codex, then this time it will be a proper SM book, and not Codex Ultramarines that was made vanilla late in the game by tacking 20 pages of fluff for other chapters and a few more special characters. This time it will be more balanced, as adding 3 SCs for the Templars would help balance the 6 Ultramarine SCs with 5 SCs from Imperial Fists chapters and successors. Plus, IF and Crimson fists would be allowed to take Emperor's champions as they should be.
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Post by: Sidstyler
Sigvatr wrote:If GW wants to sell SoB, they need to sex them up. Make them look attractive, not those really ugly female troopers. Sure, it's "lame" if you need sexy minis to make people play Sisters, but alas, either sex them up or drop the entire army. SoB are female Space Marines minus the Marine. They don't even fill a niche. So if GW is smart, they don't update SoB unless they have a REALLY REALLY awesome financial year allowing them for a release that will not generate a lot of money. Even a new release will not get a lot of new Sisters players in. On second thought, just drop them :/
It's not "lame" so much as it is horribly sexist. I'm not saying you yourself are necessarily sexist, but you're not really helping by promoting this idea that Sisters must be "sexed up" or dropped completely.
edweird wrote:Kroothawk...I enjoy the hyperbole but I am referring to one 40k codex per month, whether or not a fantasy or lotr book drops is far less stable. Especially from the clues and feedback I got from my conversation with the GW (pant)suit at GAMA. A 40k codex a month is clearly the model they are trying to continue this edition.
Personally I hope they keep it up and do get every army updated within a year. If the trend continues and every army has about the same power level as the ones released so far, 40k might actually be kinda balanced for once. Kinda. Then again that assumes no more feth-ups like the heldrake (which they made even better with the FAQ).
Armies like IG, SW, GK, and to a lesser extent Necrons are just too damn good as they are, so if they get similarly toned down with their updates then the worst parts of 40k should be mostly taken care of. Then that just leaves the horrible core rules.
Absolutionis wrote:GW designers seem to completely omit/ignore the design of the tail end of their flyers; hence, most flyers end up looking like silly front-heavy toys. Eldar are the one aesthetic that actually looks fine when having the front-focused scythe design; it worked for Dark Eldar, and the currently existing Nightwing looks great.
Which is why GW will probably address this with the Eldar flyer and give it an ugly tail that it doesn't really need, and make it look nothing at all like the nightwing or DE razorwing.
Mathieu Raymond wrote:I think we missed an important point further up the chain:
Ketchup on strawberries, really?
Yeah, what the feth man?
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Post by: Skinnereal
The problem with a codex-a-month, and 40K ASAP, is "then what?"
If GW releases every model in every codex for a game, what do they do until the next version (7th) gets released?
There's more scenery coming out, but I can't think what they'll do when they run out ideas on that.
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Post by: xttz
 Skinnereal wrote:The problem with a codex-a-month, and 40K ASAP, is "then what?"
If GW releases every model in every codex for a game, what do they do until the next version (7th) gets released?
There's more scenery coming out, but I can't think what they'll do when they run out ideas on that.
Once they're mostly caught up they'll probably switch back to focusing on WHFB for 9th edition, while gradually building up new material behind the scenes for 40k 7th edition.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Well, we all know that there will be no Codex-a-month for a year, so why even discuss this nonsense.
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Post by: rohansoldier
 TheHarleqwin wrote: I certainly hope so as I have decided to put my intended necron army on hold so I can add to my already 4000pts worth of eldar when the new codex hits. Also, my BT playing friend will have a pink fit if they get folded into the SM codex. Every time talk turns to 40k he mentions that BT have one of the oldest codexes and how different they are to regular marines. For the sake of my ears, I really hope it doesn't happen!
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Post by: Shandara
Kroothawk wrote:Well, we all know that there will be no Codex-a-month for a year, so why even discuss this nonsense.
They can always release mini-updates like the chaos demons booklet to coincide with new model releases and boost sales for those.
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Post by: ausYenLoWang
 Sidstyler wrote: Sigvatr wrote:
edweird wrote:Kroothawk...I enjoy the hyperbole but I am referring to one 40k codex per month, whether or not a fantasy or lotr book drops is far less stable. Especially from the clues and feedback I got from my conversation with the GW (pant)suit at GAMA. A 40k codex a month is clearly the model they are trying to continue this edition.
Personally I hope they keep it up and do get every army updated within a year. If the trend continues and every army has about the same power level as the ones released so far, 40k might actually be kinda balanced for once. Kinda. Then again that assumes no more feth-ups like the heldrake (which they made even better with the FAQ).
helldrake isnt a feth up its relativly ballanced and as soon as more armies get AA it will be pointless..... just remember most people can alli in tau and 3 Broadsides with str8 AP1 skyfire are rumoured and thats a dead drake there..... its one of the best units in the dex, that doesnt make it OP....
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Post by: creeping-deth87
I find it funny when people imply the codex per month system will lead to a 'what next' situation when everything has been updated. Considering the sheer number of armies between both game systems, by the time every force got a new book it would be time for a new edition and the cycle would start all over again.
I for one love the faster updates, I think one of the biggest problems with 40k is the stagnation of over half the codices at any given time and frankly I think GW is perfectly capable of maintaining the current pace of new releases.
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Post by: clively
From what I've been paying attention to (financials, CHS, etc), I believe that GW has to release the rest of them this year.
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Post by: easysauce
Id never play sisters, but if they released some plastic sitsters kits that were awesome I would buy some for sure just for the models.
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I really hope we have all the 40k xenos updated this year,
IG and all the SM need nothing...
serioulsy 4-5 codexes for SM is ludicrous, BT? i never played them, no reason they cant just be a regiment in C:SM
all the BT who QQ... well I dont have my codex catachans, or any IG regiments anymore, and I QQ'd thinking it mattered, but I still have catachans to play and its not that different with them only having lore/looks to make them different now
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
Although if they do release material on a regular basis, it would seem to me to make more sense to keep BT separate, as it plugs a month of release. The upgrade sprue is entirely serviceable (just like the DA one is), all they would need is their flyer (do they get stormraven and stormtalon now?) and a big based monstrosity. Or use the Dreamforge Leviathan. Seriously, it screams BT.
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Post by: easysauce
Skinnereal wrote:The problem with a codex-a-month, and 40K ASAP, is "then what?"
If GW releases every model in every codex for a game, what do they do until the next version (7th) gets released?
There's more scenery coming out, but I can't think what they'll do when they run out ideas on that.
we would finally have a edition with all up to date codexes?
somethign I have wanted for 14 years of 40k?
then at 7th, re release them all...
new codexes every other or third edition is silly, and new codexes sell plenty of models and spur interest and can balance things out.
even just the RUMOURS of new tau AA has cured some air spammy lists around here...
I love it
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Post by: whoadirty
 ausYenLoWang wrote: Sidstyler wrote: Sigvatr wrote:
edweird wrote:Kroothawk...I enjoy the hyperbole but I am referring to one 40k codex per month, whether or not a fantasy or lotr book drops is far less stable. Especially from the clues and feedback I got from my conversation with the GW (pant)suit at GAMA. A 40k codex a month is clearly the model they are trying to continue this edition.
Personally I hope they keep it up and do get every army updated within a year. If the trend continues and every army has about the same power level as the ones released so far, 40k might actually be kinda balanced for once. Kinda. Then again that assumes no more feth-ups like the heldrake (which they made even better with the FAQ).
helldrake isnt a feth up its relativly ballanced and as soon as more armies get AA it will be pointless..... just remember most people can alli in tau and 3 Broadsides with str8 AP1 skyfire are rumoured and thats a dead drake there..... its one of the best units in the dex, that doesnt make it OP....
Tell that to someone playing straight DA. We just got a new codex and struggle with that monstrosity. The Heldrake and the Nephilim are pretty far apart in utility.
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Post by: theninjabadger
easysauce wrote:Id never play sisters, but if they released some plastic sitsters kits that were awesome I would buy some for sure just for the models.
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I really hope we have all the 40k xenos updated this year,
IG and all the SM need nothing...
serioulsy 4-5 codexes for SM is ludicrous, BT? i never played them, no reason they cant just be a regiment in C: SM
all the BT who QQ... well I dont have my codex catachans, or any IG regiments anymore, and I QQ'd thinking it mattered, but I still have catachans to play and its not that different with them only having lore/looks to make them different now
No offence but WTF!
BT in codex SM?
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Post by: Absolutionis
The Black Marines being shoveled into the Generic Marines codex is just wishlisting, calm down.
Plus, you cal always play Red Marines, Green Marines, Grey Marines, or Super Silver Psychic Marines if your Black Marines codex gets merged with the Generic Marines.
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Post by: pretre
Good stuff. Updated the tracker.
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Didn't see this in the OP:
75hastings69March 22, 2013 at 1:52 PM
I suppose I could tell you there are some new units....... but that would be a bit too vague. Hmmm, expect rhino variants, and also a new "suit" smaller than a dread but bigger than a termie. Will that do to start the rumours off?
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Post by: ace101
I can't wait for this (supposed) new Space Marine release, i can now finally get special trait or rule just for being a blood raven! This is assuming one must pick a generic IC and pick a chapter for the IC to be from to get the trait, or hopefully they make Gabriel Angelos, oh the possibilities.
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Post by: CaptKaruthors
After seeing the lame DA flyer and the Tau flyer...I weep for what the Eldar flyer will possibly look like. I may just stick with my FW Eldar flyers anyways as I doubt the Eldar flyer in the codex will have Vector Dancer like the FW counter parts. All eldar flyers should have that...Dark and Craftworld alike, as it makes sense. Meh.
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Post by: ace101
i've also seemed to notice that sisters are lacking in the release schedules, would it be plausible to think that sister will be bundled in a supposed allies release some time in the future. The lack of a codex update wouldn't hurt anything (except peoples actual armies and egos), and they would get updated for 6th edition (without the codex).
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Post by: keltikhoa
Personally I would like to see a Sisters codex. Been playing 10+ years and have collected Daemons Orks and Necrons. Always said if Sisters ever go plastic I will finally collect an imperial army.
Also what was said about female demographic is true. I have known several women who, although they do not play the game, enjoy collecting and painting the minis. One particularly had nearly 10k worth of skaven and had never played a game. (yes it made my eyes bulge when I learned that too) But she also collected SoB, just not nearly as many because of the price.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
 CaptKaruthors wrote:After seeing the lame DA flyer and the Tau flyer...I weep for what the Eldar flyer will possibly look like. I may just stick with my FW Eldar flyers anyways as I doubt the Eldar flyer in the codex will have Vector Dancer like the FW counter parts. All eldar flyers should have that...Dark and Craftworld alike, as it makes sense. Meh.
Vector Dancer is in the rulebook so they must be planning to put it on something.
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Post by: FrancisPal
 TedNugent wrote:I swear to god, if GW releases another SM Codex before they release my new Orks, I'm going to fly down to their HQ and leave a flaming bag of dookie outside their front door and ring the doorbell.
Said like a true Ork player.
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Post by: Souleater
Vector Dancer will probably go to the next SM flyer
CWE rumors seem very much in line with what we've seen for a lot of the recent releases. They are the army i'm looking forward to this year. Their model line has gone from strength to strength...I just hope GW don't go bat gak crazy with the UBERTAR.
Perhaps we will see mixed gender squads if Aspect Warriors go plastic?
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Post by: evildrcheese
Dammit, still no sure sign of Plastic Sisters/a proper codex?
As a Sisters player this continues to grind my gears!
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Post by: Souleater
If Raging Heroes Not-Sisters-of-Battle do. Might prompt GW either way.
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Post by: pretre
 evildrcheese wrote:Dammit, still no sure sign of Plastic Sisters/a proper codex?
As a Sisters player this continues to grind my gears!
And the last 16 years of no proper codex didn't grind your gears?
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Post by: Flashman
 lord_blackfang wrote: CaptKaruthors wrote:After seeing the lame DA flyer and the Tau flyer...I weep for what the Eldar flyer will possibly look like. I may just stick with my FW Eldar flyers anyways as I doubt the Eldar flyer in the codex will have Vector Dancer like the FW counter parts. All eldar flyers should have that...Dark and Craftworld alike, as it makes sense. Meh.
Vector Dancer is in the rulebook so they must be planning to put it on something.
There's a sea monsters special rule in the Fantasy rulebook, but no sign as yet that it will be utilised
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Do the sea monster rules perhaps date back to the Monster of Loch Lorm from the McDeath Campaign pack ?
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Post by: evildrcheese
 pretre wrote: evildrcheese wrote:Dammit, still no sure sign of Plastic Sisters/a proper codex?
As a Sisters player this continues to gribnd my gears!
And the last 16 years of no proper codex didn't grind your gears?
the key word is continues. I don't actually know if I have any gears left, I think they've turn into dust. Sad and angry dust....
D
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Post by: Kroothawk
pretre wrote:Didn't see this in the OP:
75hastings69March 22, 2013 at 1:52 PM
I suppose I could tell you there are some new units....... but that would be a bit too vague. Hmmm, expect rhino variants, and also a new "suit" smaller than a dread but bigger than a termie. Will that do to start the rumours off?
Second quote block, first two lines
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Post by: d3m01iti0n
easysauce wrote:, BT? i never played them, no reason they cant just be a regiment in C: SM
Never played them? Thanks for your educated opinion
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Post by: pretre
Kroothawk wrote: pretre wrote:Didn't see this in the OP:
75hastings69March 22, 2013 at 1:52 PM
I suppose I could tell you there are some new units....... but that would be a bit too vague. Hmmm, expect rhino variants, and also a new "suit" smaller than a dread but bigger than a termie. Will that do to start the rumours off?
Second quote block, first two lines
Damn my eyes!
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Post by: Earth Dragon
I personally feel it would be nice if they consolidate all the Space Marine Chapters into 2-3 books. What's wrong with making 8 damn lists and stuffing them in just a few books? Is there anything wrong with that? Quite giving the main list Salamander units (He'stan, new Land Raider) and just give them a list. Just give the White Scars a list. Separate them by fighting style between the books.
Fast Attack Type teams that have Assault Marines or Bikes are troop options are in one book (Blood Angels, White Scars)
In your face, bloated with large numbers chapters are in another (black templar, space wolves)
Standard Codex and Innovative Chapters Packing Special Gear in the third (Ultramarines, Salamanders, Dark Angels)
They all have their own lists. You'd have tons of people Buying all three. And to increase White Dwarf subscriptions, release "Showcase chapter of the Year" lists that help you sell some special characters and break down what their list would like look, normally limiting the player pretty with one of the current lists with a couple minor twists. Or even help you sell some bits kits for "flavor of the month" loons.
Boom. I made everyone happy. Less Books, more options, more white dwarf subscriptions.
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Post by: MajorStoffer
From a gameplay standpoint, it makes sense to create an extra-large Codex: Space Marines, and have the function therein to "build your chapter," using various modifications you can choose from to make various flavoured chapters, and a set of pre-built variations with special units and rules to represent "special" chapters, like Black Templars, Dark Angels and Blood Angels. They don't deserve their own books, the differences between them don't justify it at all, but certain deserve to be represented with special rules.
However, GW has decided to make chapters increasingly divergent to drive model sales. They believe that making every previously codex-adherent chapter with modifications to being radically divergent with nipple armour, giant wings and special, never-before-seen speeders and the like. From gameplay, and indeed fluff perspective, a comprehensive Marine 'dex makes sense, but from a marketing standpoint, GW knows marines sell, so therefore, more marine armies.
Thankfully, my area doesn't have marine-dominance; there's only one other loyalist marine player in the area, and a single player who sometimes uses space wolves, but I still don't think having fully half the written books dedicated to Marines is a good idea.
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Post by: jonolikespie
 MajorStoffer wrote:From a gameplay standpoint, it makes sense to create an extra-large Codex: Space Marines, and have the function therein to "build your chapter," using various modifications you can choose from to make various flavoured chapters, and a set of pre-built variations with special units and rules to represent "special" chapters, like Black Templars, Dark Angels and Blood Angels. They don't deserve their own books, the differences between them don't justify it at all, but certain deserve to be represented with special rules. However, GW has decided to make chapters increasingly divergent to drive model sales. They believe that making every previously codex-adherent chapter with modifications to being radically divergent with nipple armour, giant wings and special, never-before-seen speeders and the like. From gameplay, and indeed fluff perspective, a comprehensive Marine 'dex makes sense, but from a marketing standpoint, GW knows marines sell, so therefore, more marine armies. Thankfully, my area doesn't have marine-dominance; there's only one other loyalist marine player in the area, and a single player who sometimes uses space wolves, but I still don't think having fully half the written books dedicated to Marines is a good idea.
I think instead of giving them their own books with new units to make them more different DA and BAs ahouls have been folded into codex marines. SW, GK and BTs though are not codex chapters though. That should be where the line is drawn, if a chapter adheres to the codex astartes it should be in the marine codex with special character unlocks. And damn you're lucky, marine dominance in my area has stopped me getting back into the game :(
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Post by: Maelstrom808
pretre wrote: Kroothawk wrote: pretre wrote:Didn't see this in the OP:
75hastings69March 22, 2013 at 1:52 PM
I suppose I could tell you there are some new units....... but that would be a bit too vague. Hmmm, expect rhino variants, and also a new "suit" smaller than a dread but bigger than a termie. Will that do to start the rumours off?
Second quote block, first two lines
Damn my eyes!
*Breaks out the goat and sacrificial knife*
Consider it done
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Post by: Earth Dragon
Video games don't help the Space Marine dominance. They need to license more games with Eldar and Tau as the protagonists of the story.
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Post by: NickTheButcher
If this is true, I'm excited to see that the 'Nilla Marines get a new Codex so soon. While I'm actually OK with our current codex, maybe this will come out soon enough for me to not have to get the stupid Flyer compendium as the new codex should have the new Flyer updates in it.....
Will also be nice to see a new Eldar 'dex so my buddy will finally get some flyers to play with.
The thing I'm most sad about is no guesstimate of the Ork 'dex in the schedule  . As soon as that hits, I'll start my second army again.
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Post by: Kroothawk
anonymous email to Natfka wrote:I have it on good Authority that Codex Space Marines will be the June release this year. Eldar will follow them. There is also a "Mystery Box" slated for September/October (ala Space hulk). GW have 2 which they have waiting in the wings, Blood Bowl and Warhammer Quest but no idea which it will be at this time.
Warhammer wise, I was told what was coming out and in which order, but to be honest I forget as I dont play the game. But I do know that Lizardmen and High Elves are this year.
Personally I still believe Eldar before SM, like Harry and Hastings say.
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Post by: Just Dave
Kroothawk wrote:anonymous email to Natfka wrote:I have it on good Authority that Codex Space Marines will be the June release this year. Eldar will follow them. There is also a "Mystery Box" slated for September/October (ala Space hulk). GW have 2 which they have waiting in the wings, Blood Bowl and Warhammer Quest but no idea which it will be at this time.
Warhammer wise, I was told what was coming out and in which order, but to be honest I forget as I dont play the game. But I do know that Lizardmen and High Elves are this year.
Personally I still believe Eldar before SM, like Harry and Hastings say.
Same; I believe them over an anonymous email too.
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Post by: AlmightyWalrus
Absolutionis wrote:The Black Marines being shoveled into the Generic Marines codex is just wishlisting, calm down.
Plus, you cal always play Red Marines, Green Marines, Grey Marines, or Super Silver Psychic Marines if your Black Marines codex gets merged with the Generic Marines.
Except as a BT player all I'd have if I had to switch Codex (especially to GK, good luck with that) would be the Troops (and not even that for DA or Vanilla) and a whole lot of semi-subpar unit, meaning I'd have to spend hundreds of dollars effectively rebuilding (and re-painting) my army. It's obviously not as bad as it would be for a non- MEQ Codex, but "one does not simply swap into Vanilla".
And yes, ketchup and strawberries. Try it on a single one. I've only tried it with Heinz Ketchup though, so I can't vouch for other brands.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Bob Hunk wrote:75hastings69 wrote:I suppose I could tell you there are some new units....... but that would be a bit too vague. Hmmm, expect rhino variants, and also a new "suit" smaller than a dread but bigger than a termie. Will that do to start the rumours off?
Hmmmm, very interesting, this sounds a lot like something that I've seen play tested at certain events. Might be a coincidence but if it's the same thing then I'd expect this "suit" to essentially be a mini-Contemptor dreadnought similar to the RT-era type, designed for living Marine heroes to wear into battle and then leave afterwards. Walker, WS/ BS 5, AV11, 5++ save, two power fists (with alternative weapons) and an optional jump pack. 
75hastings69 wrote:Very interesting
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Post by: wyomingfox
Kroothawk wrote:Bob Hunk wrote:75hastings69 wrote:I suppose I could tell you there are some new units....... but that would be a bit too vague. Hmmm, expect rhino variants, and also a new "suit" smaller than a dread but bigger than a termie. Will that do to start the rumours off?
Hmmmm, very interesting, this sounds a lot like something that I've seen play tested at certain events. Might be a coincidence but if it's the same thing then I'd expect this "suit" to essentially be a mini-Contemptor dreadnought similar to the RT-era type, designed for living Marine heroes to wear into battle and then leave afterwards. Walker, WS/ BS 5, AV11, 5++ save, two power fists (with alternative weapons) and an optional jump pack.
75hastings69 wrote:Very interesting
Was this on Faeit 212? or Warseer?
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Post by: pretre
You're killing me today, KH.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Want another one?
75hastings69 wrote:SM are coming, just not in June.
If Hastings posts anywhere else, I mention that.
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Post by: ShatteredBlade
I'll be pretty bummed if they release another IG codex before they release a good sisters codex.
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Post by: Earth Dragon
I keep seeing people mention Sisters of Battle, but I never actually seen someone play them IRL. IMHO they would get an updated book if they were more popular the first time they got released.
I understand the frustration, but that just seems to be the hard truth
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Post by: timetowaste85
easysauce wrote:
serioulsy 4-5 codexes for SM is ludicrous, BT? i never played them, no reason they cant just be a regiment in C: SM
all the BT who QQ... well I dont have my codex catachans, or any IG regiments anymore, and I QQ'd thinking it mattered, but I still have catachans to play and its not that different with them only having lore/looks to make them different now
"I don't play them, so who cares-they can get folded back into the main SM book." Thanks for putting out an opinion that is selfish and contributes nothing. If you had actually played them and felt they deserved to be folded in, you might have a valid argument. But having no working knowledge of the codex and saying it doesn't deserve to exist makes your opinion worthless. You need at least a little knowledge to actually contribute to that argument. Having actually played BT and liking their workings, I'd like them to stay separate as there are enough differences (mandatory Champion that allows for that 3rd HQ slot, mixed Initiate/Neophyte [Tactical/Scout] squads, blessed hull for Land Raiders, better anti-psyker abilities, being more pissed off than regular marines, and some unique wargear). That said, if those things were all kept and chapter traits unlocked varying parts of the SM codex, I'd be okay with that, but ONLY if all those unique BT traits were kept for a BT chapter trait chosen when building the list.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Earth Dragon wrote:I keep seeing people mention Sisters of Battle, but I never actually seen someone play them IRL.
Well, all official rules are out of print. But well executed, it is an army that can generate the most sales just because so few play them ATM.
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Post by: oni
So the latest rumours from Feit212 is that Space Marines got bumped to be next.
I suppose my question would be... Will we see another print run of Death from the Skies? It's been awhile now and still no third print run on Death from the Skies, perhaps this is an inclination of things to come in the near future.
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Post by: pretre
 ShatteredBlade wrote:I'll be pretty bummed if they release another IG codex before they release a good sisters codex.
IG have lapped sob repeatedly.
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Post by: MajorStoffer
As a Guard player, I don't feel I'm in particular need of a new codex. Some things need to be nerfed (Vendetta) and some ought to be a little better (ogryn, stromtroopers), but hardly codex re-write materiel.
Well, not codex re-write materiel for any non-GW company; GW seems to abhor point costs in FAQs for some asinine reason.
What I would like, however, is for them to finish the model range. Hydra, plastic artillery, plastic stormtroopers, guardsman special weapons, that sort of thing.
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Post by: WolfLordStark
I just hope the nids get a new codex before the year is done
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
This year? No. Before the end of next year? Far more likely.
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Post by: AlexHolker
Earth Dragon wrote:I personally feel it would be nice if they consolidate all the Space Marine Chapters into 2-3 books. What's wrong with making 8 damn lists and stuffing them in just a few books? Is there anything wrong with that? Quite giving the main list Salamander units (He'stan, new Land Raider) and just give them a list. Just give the White Scars a list. Separate them by fighting style between the books.
The approach I took was a two-tiered doctrine system. Separate lists are not how I'd do it, because with 1,000 chapters there aren't going to be as many hard lines between where, for example, the Ultramarines' successors end and the White Scars successors begin.
Earth Dragon wrote:I keep seeing people mention Sisters of Battle, but I never actually seen someone play them IRL. IMHO they would get an updated book if they were more popular the first time they got released.
I understand the frustration, but that just seems to be the hard truth
That is only half of the equation. The other half is that other armies, like the Space Marines, have never been as poorly supported as the Sisters of Battle have for their entire history. The Space Marines didn't have to fight tooth and nail to be given their first plastic kits, they were handed to them on a silver platter. The Grey Knights and Necrons are the closest, but even they got plastic kits and continuous codex availability from 5th and 3rd respectively.
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Post by: TzeentchNet
If the new not-Dreadnought suit is a nod to the old Rogue Trader Dreadnoughts that would be really interesting. A somewhat direct conversion of those old stats to current rules would basically make them mini-monstrous creatures (i.e. sort of like Mephiston):
Contemptor-class Close Assault Dreadnought ("Chuck")
WS 6, BS 6, S 8, T 8, I 6, A 3. Probably 4 wounds. Had the same armor save as power armor, so 3+ now.
Armed with two twin-linked boltguns. Also has a power field (see Codex: Dark Angels, p. 64) and jump pack.
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Post by: MajorStoffer
TzeentchNet wrote:If the new not-Dreadnought suit is a nod to the old Rogue Trader Dreadnoughts that would be really interesting. A somewhat direct conversion of those old stats to current rules would basically make them mini-monstrous creatures (i.e. sort of like Mephiston):
Contemptor-class Close Assault Dreadnought ("Chuck")
WS 6, BS 6, S 8, T 8, I 6, A 3. Probably 4 wounds. Had the same armor save as power armor, so 3+ now.
Armed with two twin-linked boltguns. Also has a power field (see Codex: Dark Angels, p. 64) and jump pack.
Contemptors already exist in the Forgeworld line; they're basically just dreadnought alternatives, not radically different in state lines, but have some additional weapon choices, like a conversion beamer.
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Post by: rigeld2
TzeentchNet wrote:If the new not-Dreadnought suit is a nod to the old Rogue Trader Dreadnoughts that would be really interesting. A somewhat direct conversion of those old stats to current rules would basically make them mini-monstrous creatures (i.e. sort of like Mephiston):
Contemptor-class Close Assault Dreadnought ("Chuck")
WS 6, BS 6, S 8, T 8, I 6, A 3. Probably 4 wounds. Had the same armor save as power armor, so 3+ now.
Armed with two twin-linked boltguns. Also has a power field (see Codex: Dark Angels, p. 64) and jump pack.
With that stat line it should cost close to 200 points. At least, based on TMCs.
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Post by: TzeentchNet
Yeah, I doubt they will be nearly that good. Will be interesting to see how they justify something better than the supposedly super-rare Terminator suits.
FWIW it may be that this rumor is confusing the Forge World Thallax, which has been described as being between Terminator and Dreadnought sized as well.
(I know they have Contemptors from Forge World, which are based on the old Epic Space Marine 2e pattern. Those are not the same as the earlier Contemptor, Deredeo, and Furibundus.)
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Post by: Quark
http://natfka.blogspot.nl/2013/03/space-marine-release-rumor-check.html
One of our long time sources that likes to make sure we don't stray too far off course has checked in on yesterday's rumor that Space Marines are next for June. Well it was simple, short and sweet what he said, so no going into any long details.
"Space Marines are not after Tau".
Personally I am not going to disagree with these sources. Do I want Eldar sooner rather than later? yes, but none of these rumor sources is changing the time frame of Eldar. Its only Space Marines that are on the stage here.
Hastings word is still cannon, our rumor check has an extremely good record. The source of the Space Marine rumor seems to have the credentials, and is a new contact. Will we see Space Marines next? I am here to report what I receive and can dig up, so I will let you decide.
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Post by: SickSix
So will BT now be the cover art for C:SM? How (not)funny would that be?
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Post by: unmercifulconker
 SickSix wrote:So will BT now be the cover art for C: SM? How (not)funny would that be?
This would be amazing, its about time GW realised again who the true and righteous crusaders are.
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Post by: pretre
SickSix wrote:So will BT now be the cover art for C: SM? How (not)funny would that be?
BT's were the poster boys for 3rd edition and there was no BT codex for quite some time (Armageddon) in that edition. Made them the defacto C: SM faction amusingly enough. This was back when BT characters were in C: SM as well.
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Post by: SickSix
pretre wrote: SickSix wrote:So will BT now be the cover art for C: SM? How (not)funny would that be?
BT's were the poster boys for 3rd edition and there was no BT codex for quite some time (Armageddon) in that edition. Made them the defacto C: SM faction amusingly enough. This was back when BT characters were in C: SM as well.
Oh i know. I own 3rd ed C: SM and Codex: Armageddon.
But I think it would make some cry, and some laugh.
BT players will cry and those of us wanting fewer SM books will laugh (and rejoice loudly if chapter traits are brought back).
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Post by: unmercifulconker
Oh yeah actually I hope this doesnt happen.
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Post by: hotsauceman1
Sm in june :( Why does GW hate my wallet?
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Post by: silent25
Oh GW doesn't hate your wallet, it loooooves your wallet. It wants be with all the time and get in it as much as possible. <all done in creepy voice>
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Post by: Kroothawk
Faeit212 definitely has a special style:
Natfka:"Stop press: Reliable Source says, not Eldar but Space Marines are next."
Natfka next day:"Stop Press: Reliable source says, not Space Marines but Eldar are next."
Yeah, we all knew from the start
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Post by: pretre
Whatever gets the page clicks, right?
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Post by: creeping-deth87
Wow... my sympathy goes out to all you Eldar players. I don't understand why marines would be bumped in front of Eldar, the Space Marine codex is still perfectly playable. What a shame.
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Post by: McNinja
I would think it depends on what they finish first. If they have three armies in Playtesting, each in different stages of rule-dom, the SM are played the most and rules finished first it makes sense that Space Marines get bumped up before Eldar. Not that I'm condoning this, if the Eldar are bumped it'll but a bad taste in some poeple's mouths.
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Post by: Azreal13
 McNinja wrote:I would think it depends on what they finish first. If they have three armies in Playtesting, each in different stages of rule-dom, the SM are played the most and rules finished first it makes sense that Space Marines get bumped up before Eldar. Not that I'm condoning this, if the Eldar are bumped it'll but a bad taste in some poeple's mouths.
I think you're rather underestimating how far in advance GW generally work with models. Ok, Death From The Skies could have been , and probably was, knocked up in a lunch hour, and from document to printing press is relatively short, but some Eldar models have been rumoured to have been completed literally years ago. Factor in the logistics needed for a simultaneous worldwide release and getting it all where it needs to be, and it's very likely that this years schedule was finalised last year sometime, and will be stuck to except in the most dire of circumstances.
Any digression is more likely as a result of poor info on our part, rather than any changes on theirs.
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Post by: Nevelon
McNinja wrote:I would think it depends on what they finish first. If they have three armies in Playtesting, each in different stages of rule-dom, the SM are played the most and rules finished first it makes sense that Space Marines get bumped up before Eldar. Not that I'm condoning this, if the Eldar are bumped it'll but a bad taste in some poeple's mouths.
I agree. Playtesting is going to take a lot less time for C: SM then eldar. Space marines, particularly vanilla, are pretty simple. Eldar are a lot more complex with lots of finicky rules and every unit different.
For SM, all they need to do is add whatever new unit they are trying to sell, grab a few already tested things from other codexes, and ship it. Eldar is going to need a complete re-wroking from the ground up.
While the C: SM codex doesn't really need to be done, it should be easy and quick to do. Not looking forward to it myself, as I like the current one, but there you go...
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Post by: Quark
 creeping-deth87 wrote:Wow... my sympathy goes out to all you Eldar players. I don't understand why marines would be bumped in front of Eldar, the Space Marine codex is still perfectly playable. What a shame.
No, see, you're reading the Faeit rumors from Tuesday. The Faeit rumors from Wednesday say Eldar are still the next after Tau. Now, what they'll say today? Who knows. 
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
creeping-deth87 wrote:Wow... my sympathy goes out to all you Eldar players. I don't understand why marines would be bumped in front of Eldar, the Space Marine codex is still perfectly playable. What a shame.
SInce RT it's been established the Eldar are a dying race, their power spent. Frankly it's time to fold them into the Tau codex as another also ran like the Vespids and Kroot.
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Post by: gorgon
If Hastings says Eldar are next, then Eldar are next.
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Post by: ace101
Kroothawk wrote:75hastings69 wrote:Not being into 40k I don't know what the "traits system" is, however here's what I've heard for the SM codex, you choose a chapter and that choice confers a bonus/bonuses to your army e.g. My imperial fists get tank hunter and bolter drill. Is that similar to what you mean?
I've always thought DA, BA, SW needed their own books, but if they made crusading chapter traits (something that expands beyond BT), then BT could be rolled into that.
AFAIK you are correct, DA, BA & SW remain independent codex armies, other SM chapters are dealt with in the SM codex.
How would generic characters work with this supposed trait system? For example, would you say that the model is a count-as (or is the same chapter as) Blood Ravens captain, they would have a Blood Ravens trait that will confer a chapter tactics to replace combat tactics? I have Counter-attack for my custom Gabriel Angelos rules, since he is a Blood Ravens special character.
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Post by: AlexHolker
 ace101 wrote:How would generic characters work with this supposed trait system? For example, would you say that the model is a count-as (or is the same chapter as) Blood Ravens captain, they would have a Blood Ravens trait that will confer a chapter tactics to replace combat tactics? I have Counter-attack for my custom Gabriel Angelos rules, since he is a Blood Ravens special character.
No, that's the backwards way of doing it. Blood Ravens don't stop being Blood Ravens just because Angelos isn't around at the moment. The smarter approach is to define "Blood Ravens" as a particular set of traits/chapter tactics/doctrines that includes access to certain special characters.
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Post by: PredaKhaine
 Kid_Kyoto wrote: creeping-deth87 wrote:Wow... my sympathy goes out to all you Eldar players. I don't understand why marines would be bumped in front of Eldar, the Space Marine codex is still perfectly playable. What a shame.
SInce RT it's been established the Eldar are a dying race, their power spent. Frankly it's time to fold them into the Tau codex as another also ran like the Vespids and Kroot.
If various races get folded into other codex's because they've had their day in the sun - doesn't that mean 40k ends when every army gets folded into the tyranid codex?
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Post by: ace101
 AlexHolker wrote: ace101 wrote:How would generic characters work with this supposed trait system? For example, would you say that the model is a count-as (or is the same chapter as) Blood Ravens captain, they would have a Blood Ravens trait that will confer a chapter tactics to replace combat tactics? I have Counter-attack for my custom Gabriel Angelos rules, since he is a Blood Ravens special character.
No, that's the backwards way of doing it. Blood Ravens don't stop being Blood Ravens just because Angelos isn't around at the moment. The smarter approach is to define "Blood Ravens" as a particular set of traits/chapter tactics/doctrines that includes access to certain special characters.
I know, that's the way i was thinking is you buy a captain model, and give him the Blood Ravens trait, which gives him combat tactics. Maybe if you buy a captain model, you can use a special character trait on a counts-as basis, because those fine-cast models are a major pain.
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Post by: Kirasu
PredaKhaine wrote: Kid_Kyoto wrote: creeping-deth87 wrote:Wow... my sympathy goes out to all you Eldar players. I don't understand why marines would be bumped in front of Eldar, the Space Marine codex is still perfectly playable. What a shame.
SInce RT it's been established the Eldar are a dying race, their power spent. Frankly it's time to fold them into the Tau codex as another also ran like the Vespids and Kroot.
If various races get folded into other codex's because they've had their day in the sun - doesn't that mean 40k ends when every army gets folded into the tyranid codex?
The Squats got folder into the Tyranid codex just fine.
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Post by: pretre
Just going to leave this here. From Natfka:
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Post by: Blackcrusader
2 days from now will be the new tau codex + units release.
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Post by: Shandara
*BAM*
That picture could fuel an entire new rumors thread.
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Post by: Pox Apostle
If that's a plastic Thunderhawk at a better price point than the FW one, I can hear the howls of sadness coming from Carl Tuttle's wallet already...
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Post by: Just Dave
*Patiently waits for people to identify any differences/similarities between that and the Forgeworld model*
Looks like the Forgeworld one to me.
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Post by: RandyMcStab
Strewth
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Post by: Compel
I... think it's just the forgeworld model. Even things like the heavy bolters ammo hoppers are the same.
Then again, that doesn't say much - after all, look at the Valkyrie.
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Post by: Just Dave
 Compel wrote:I... think it's just the forgeworld model. Even things like the heavy bolters ammo hoppers are the same.
Then again, that doesn't say much - after all, look at the Valkyrie.
Yeah, all the little details match up to me. The trio of indents and the 'nibs' either side of the canopy, the sticky-up bits behind the canopy, all sorts suggests it's the same to me.
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Post by: pretre
  1 is WD, 2 and 3 are FW. Automatically Appended Next Post: Cockpit looks different.
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Post by: dienekes96
Kid_Kyoto wrote: creeping-deth87 wrote:Wow... my sympathy goes out to all you Eldar players. I don't understand why marines would be bumped in front of Eldar, the Space Marine codex is still perfectly playable. What a shame.
SInce RT it's been established the Eldar are a dying race, their power spent. Frankly it's time to fold them into the Tau codex as another also ran like the Vespids and Kroot.
Awesome troll. Loved it!
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Post by: Just Dave
I don't see the difference myself. The windows are blacked out and a skull/eagle has been removed, but that's it; even the 5 rivets in front and the 4 sticky-out-bits (antenna?) are the same, it seems?
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Post by: kronk
pretre wrote: First and third are FW. Second is from WD. Cockpit looks different.
1. Your order is incorrect. 1 is WD, 2 and 3 are FW. 2. Agreed. Also, the Aquilla on the front was replaced with an Ultramarines transfer. That can be done with a hobby knife, though. Otherwise, I can't see a difference.
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Post by: Pox Apostle
pretre wrote:
First and third are FW. Second is from WD.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Cockpit looks different.
The cockpit does look different. Damn, if they actually release a plastic Thunderhawk I'll have to jump back into getting my vanilla marines in a playable state again... Ugh, between my Death Guard, re-vamping my Tau, and now this I'm so going to be broke this year.
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Post by: Snrub
Oh great and mighty Games Workshop, gift unto me a plastic Thunderhawk and i shall collect a full space marine chapter replete with full armoury and super numeracy units in a chapter of your choosing even if it should cost my life's savings, first and second born sons (its ok you can have them. I only want daughters anyway.) and various limbs.
Petre, Don't you mean 1st is wd 2nd is fw?
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Post by: pretre
kronk wrote: pretre wrote:
First and third are FW. Second is from WD.
Cockpit looks different.
1. Your order is incorrect. 1 is WD, 2 and 3 are FW.
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Snrub wrote:
Pretre, Don't you mean 1st is wd 2nd is fw?
You both pass the test.
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Post by: kronk
Test. Sure...
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Post by: Just Dave
 Pox Apostle wrote:The cockpit does look different. Damn, if they actually release a plastic Thunderhawk I'll have to jump back into getting my vanilla marines in a playable state again... Ugh, between my Death Guard, re-vamping my Tau, and now this I'm so going to be broke this year.
I don't see how the cockpit looks different? Even the rivets are in the same place.
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Post by: kronk
I'm with Just Dave. Until I buy one at my FLGS and tuck it safely in my Unicorn's saddle bags for my ride home to Wonderland, I won't believe it.
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Post by: Garuss Acine
pretre wrote:
1 is WD, 2 and 3 are FW.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Cockpit looks different.
The barrels appear to be different to me, maybe a difference of armaments IE one is a Thunderhawk Battle-Cannon and the other is a Turbo Laser Destructor? The WD has protruding edges along the outside of the barrel, while the FW was notches along the exit of the barrel itself.
If they do make plastic Thunderhawks, I'll be likely picking up two, I'd be hard pressed not to paint up my main marine force due to these things.
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Post by: Just Dave
 Garuss Acine wrote:The barrels appear to be different to me, maybe a difference of armaments IE one is a Thunderhawk Battle-Cannon and the other is a Turbo Laser Destructor? The WD has protruding edges along the outside of the barrel, while the FW was notches along the exit of the barrel itself.
If they do make plastic Thunderhawks, I'll be likely picking up two, I'd be hard pressed not to paint up my main marine force due to these things.
If you look at the forgeworld thunderhawk (in spoiler); the gun appears to be very similar. The barrel opening on the GW picture appears larger, but otherwise they look the same IMHO, although it's hard to make out. You can see the same 'ridge'/cylinder on the top-left of the cannon, and the same square-shaped indent to the top left of the barrel, too.
So yeah, different armament to the Space Wolf 'hawk, same as the FW catalogue one.
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Post by: Bolognesus
Uuh, perhaps an aeronautica/epic scaled thunderhawk doesn't make for the best comparison pic?
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Post by: Just Dave
 Bolognesus wrote:Uuh, perhaps an aeronautica/epic scaled thunderhawk doesn't make for the best comparison pic?
Good point!
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Post by: BrotherVord
IMO there are only two things that look like they may be possibly different between the fw and the wd models.
The white dwarf model looks like the cockpit is at a sharper angle, this could be due to the angle of the picture.
The engines on the wings also look to be closer t the fuselage of the craft in the white dwarf picture.
Both of these could purely be because of the angles of the pictures given
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Post by: Kroothawk
Here a Thunderhawk with less decoration by Dakka member Gareth:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/482565.page
It is absolute identical to the one shown. And the last page isn't used as an announcement page anymore, just to hide true releases ( GW's anti-marketing to keep sales artificially low). Otherwise we would already have a White Scars Codex
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Post by: pretre
That one looks reaaaaally similar. Thanks, KH!
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Post by: Commander Cain
Well there goes my hope for a plastic thunderhawk and GW's money...
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Post by: Manchu
 kronk wrote:I'm with Just Dave. Until I buy one at my FLGS and tuck it safely in my Unicorn's saddle bags for my ride home to Wonderland, I won't believe it.
Sadly, even at the Wonderland GW store this plastic model will set you back at least $150
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Post by: Snrub
You're optimistic aren't you Manchu?
I'm think at least 180 maybe 200 hunge for a thawk.
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Post by: pretre
Snrub wrote:You're optimistic aren't you Manchu?
I'm think at least 180 maybe 200 hunge for a thawk.
Swoosh, right over your head.
He was being silly. (Replying to someone talking about Unicorns and he referenced the 'Wonderland' GW store.)
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Post by: Kanluwen
I dunno.
I had a resin Valkyrie, and if you did not know what precisely to look for--you'd think it was the same as the plastic kit.
Well, unless the owner did a shoddy job assembling it. Then you'd be able to spot it really easily.
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Post by: kronk
 Manchu wrote: kronk wrote:I'm with Just Dave. Until I buy one at my FLGS and tuck it safely in my Unicorn's saddle bags for my ride home to Wonderland, I won't believe it.
Sadly, even at the Wonderland GW store this plastic model will set you back at least $150
I would pay $150 USD for a Plastic Thunderhawk! I have that in the other saddle bag!
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
 dienekes96 wrote: Kid_Kyoto wrote: creeping-deth87 wrote:Wow... my sympathy goes out to all you Eldar players. I don't understand why marines would be bumped in front of Eldar, the Space Marine codex is still perfectly playable. What a shame.
SInce RT it's been established the Eldar are a dying race, their power spent. Frankly it's time to fold them into the Tau codex as another also ran like the Vespids and Kroot.
Awesome troll. Loved it!
I know I feel guilty about it...
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Post by: Daston
Looks exactly like my FW Thunderhawk except they have blacked out the canopy.
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Post by: Smitty
Daston wrote:Looks exactly like my FW Thunderhawk except they have blacked out the canopy.
Out of curiosity, could you take a picture of a 3/4 view? I think I actually noticed something with the engines. It's probably just me being optimistic though.
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Post by: Firehead158
Maybe I missed it, but one of the biggest differences I see that no-one is pointed it are the engines. On the FW model, the are a lot closer to the fuselage compared to the one in the WD photo.
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Post by: Rainyday
Is it just blurriness, or are there less rivets around the cockpit on the WD pic?
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Post by: Smitty
 Firehead158 wrote:Maybe I missed it, but one of the biggest differences I see that no-one is pointed it are the engines. On the FW model, the are a lot closer to the fuselage compared to the one in the WD photo.
Actually, I said there's something different with the engines right above you.
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Post by: Firehead158
 Smitty wrote: Firehead158 wrote:Maybe I missed it, but one of the biggest differences I see that no-one is pointed it are the engines. On the FW model, the are a lot closer to the fuselage compared to the one in the WD photo.
Actually, I said there's something different with the engines right above you.
Yup, I see it now
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Post by: Crimson
Firehead158 wrote:Maybe I missed it, but one of the biggest differences I see that no-one is pointed it are the engines. On the FW model, the are a lot closer to the fuselage compared to the one in the WD photo.
I think it just the angle of the picture.
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Post by: kronk
Bitchin' Thunderhawk, man! thanks for the pictures!
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Post by: Mr Morden
Maybe they are making the plastic thunderhawk for the Sisters
(After all they did make various crap looking new Marine flyers with no absolutely basis in fluff - in fact quite the opposite)
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Post by: Left Hand of the Pheonix
Hmm, last month pic on bakc was Nids, everyone thought ooo new nids.
This month, pic is of a thunderhawk, everyone thinks next month PLASTIC thunderhawk. Hmm, does anyone think that there WON'T be a new plastic thunderhawk, and if there was I would expect around the Baneblade price range, or even a bit more around £80-100.
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Post by: Compel
When one does come out - I do think one will come out eventually, I just don't think that picture is it - I'd take a guess they'll price it at the same point as the Wall of Martyrs set. That sold out in days, yet was frikking expensive.
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Post by: Puscifer
Kroothawk wrote:Here a Thunderhawk with less decoration by Dakka member Gareth:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/482565.page
It is absolute identical to the one shown. And the last page isn't used as an announcement page anymore, just to hide true releases ( GW's anti-marketing to keep sales artificially low). Otherwise we would already have a White Scars Codex
The paint jobs are completely different, but I agree, I doubt we'll see a plastic Thunderhawk.
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Post by: Motograter
From GW really. Not a hope. A thunderhawk would not only be about 2 to 3 times the size of a baneblade but about 2 to 3 times the price as well
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Post by: Kroothawk
Puscifer wrote:The paint jobs are completely different, but I agree, I doubt we'll see a plastic Thunderhawk.
Posted this in the other thread: The original model of the GW studio has been found on a 2008 WD pic:
And no, even if GW released a plastic Thunderhawk in May, they wouldn't show a sneak peek.
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Post by: RogueRegault
 Kirasu wrote:PredaKhaine wrote: Kid_Kyoto wrote: creeping-deth87 wrote:Wow... my sympathy goes out to all you Eldar players. I don't understand why marines would be bumped in front of Eldar, the Space Marine codex is still perfectly playable. What a shame.
SInce RT it's been established the Eldar are a dying race, their power spent. Frankly it's time to fold them into the Tau codex as another also ran like the Vespids and Kroot.
If various races get folded into other codex's because they've had their day in the sun - doesn't that mean 40k ends when every army gets folded into the tyranid codex?
The Squats got folder into the Tyranid codex just fine.
Now I want to see a Tyranid Land Train
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Post by: Snrub
pretre wrote:Swoosh, right over your head.
He was being silly. (Replying to someone talking about Unicorns and he referenced the 'Wonderland' GW store.)
In my current condition thats not at all surprising. I've got a cold thats been kicking my butt for the better part of a week and it was like 2.30am when i posted that. So combine those two factors and it makes for a fairly clueless me.
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Post by: chris_valera
Damn you guys, getting my hackles up for nothing. Plastic Thunderhawks are like the plastic Sisters of Battle - they're just trolling us at this point.
For the record, they could easily make one, anime resin model kits range from $150-$2000. The various wings and engine pods could be "flippable" so they could repeat the sprue, and so could the landing gear. And they could break it up into smaller boxes or make it Mail Order only so they don't get hit by returns.
There's a guy selling styrofoam titans for $300 as a garage kit, they could easily make a kit like this.
--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com
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Post by: ausYenLoWang
 chris_valera wrote:Damn you guys, getting my hackles up for nothing. Plastic Thunderhawks are like the plastic Sisters of Battle - they're just trolling us at this point.
For the record, they could easily make one, anime resin model kits range from $150-$2000. The various wings and engine pods could be "flippable" so they could repeat the sprue, and so could the landing gear. And they could break it up into smaller boxes or make it Mail Order only so they don't get hit by returns.
There's a guy selling styrofoam titans for $300 as a garage kit, they could easily make a kit like this.
--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com
yes they could but excuse my wish to keep what i have slightly exclusive what i REALLY want with the "rumored" upcoming apoc release is a titan to go with my thunderhawk.. preferably a reaver... now we REALLY are talking dreams
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Post by: Capamaru
Well all I can say is that I like Gareth's painted one much more than the above GW example .
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Post by: MajorStoffer
Heh, Dakka, by and large, has better painted models than GW. The newer WD's in particular have been quite underwhelming; I'm maybe a decent amateur painter, and even I could match some of those paint jobs, and Dakka often blows them out of the water. I wonder what GW is paying them for quite often.
Maybe they intentionally low-ball the paintjobs to something readily achievable by an average person with basic skills, but the end result is pretty unattractive models, especially when compared to Forgeworld paintjobs.
More on topic, as cool as a plastic thunderhawk would be, I think a warhound titant would sell better; any Imperial or Chaos player can justify using them, Orks can loot them (Orks can loot anything), and would also be more eye-catching on the shelves. Time will tell I suppose.
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Post by: pretre
Very impressed by GW's release schedule right now. Geeze an army a month. How long can they go for?
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
However many armies they already have, if they stagger the release of fantasy and sci-fi rulesets, and we keep sucking at the teet long enough for them to make a profit.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Stickmonkey's take, as emailed to Natfka:
May: High Elves
June: Eldar
July: Apocalypse
August: Lizardmen
September: Blood Bowl
October: Space Marines
November: Dwarves?
December: Hobbit
January: Tyranids
I had Dwarves a lot sooner than others, so its probably safe to leave a question mark. It could possibly be brettonians or wood elves. Im basing my prediction of Dwarves on where I recall them being design wise, which was right after lizardmen.
I've had multiple confirmations of space marines being the last 40k codex of 2013 and Tyranids being the first codex of 2014.
October is a Black Box release, blood bowl and Warhammer quest have come up, although...it could be something surprisingly different...
When Hastings weighs in, I'd go with his schedule always.
But keep in mind that release schedules are not his strong suit, it's mostly Hastings with some educated guesses mixed in. Here is his previous one, with Bloodbowl and DA last December, and Tau in June earliest:
Nov - rumored WoC model wave (Harry, somewhat confirmed by Hastings)
Nov/Dec - DA. ( me, Hastings, others, pretty much looks like it will be a rare codex release in Dec to me despite historical precedent, however if WoC is only a wave release maybe, just maybe they will be in Nov.)
Dec - Hobbit (LOTR, pretty much a shoe in based on the shareholders meeting)
Dec - bloodbowl ( I don't have anything on this, but there has been a lot of speculation and hinting of something else special and signs point to a BB set. My take - I think this will be GDUK2013 surprise release and we won't see it this year)
Jan - Daemons ( me, Harry somewhat, Hastings, all have Jan as a double dipping of wfb and 40k daemons following up on the August wd update)
Feb - WoC wfb (I think Harry, others, full army book for WoC)
Mar - LOTR ( I don't follow the LOTR dev much, but things I have heard lead me to believe there is a big release slotted either here or April)
April - 40k supplemental wave ( this is where the chatter I hear has a bunch of wave releases for 40k, could be the delayed 2nd wave of flyers, or possibly the ork wave I've heard of...)
May - wfb High Elves (Harry I think, others)
June - assuming I'm close with my above. Then the first slot Tau could occupy is June. I have nothing penciled in here.
July - 40k expansion book (allies? Terrain?) and supporting models (me. This should firm up in the spring for sure, but my info all points to a book expansion for 40k in July)
August on - your guess is as good as mine, but I expect a big box release with GDUK which I have pencilled in as Blood bowl as mentioned above. August is likely a fantasy release based on my info, could be Dwarves or more Men. And then my info points to another marine dex before year end and eldar...but logic seems to dictate two codexes between September and year end is unlikely...but so it w this year and most rumormongers are expecting a second codex before year end. So there you have it. That's pretty much the logic I have behind the release schedule. Feel free to pick it apart, it just my best guesses based on how and who I have heard things from.
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Post by: pretre
Did Stickmonkey really just e-mail that to Natfka?
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
yes, today of all days.
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Post by: pretre
Weird. I knew that Warseer wasn't treating him well, but of all the places to go to release your rumors... Natfka.
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Post by: Kroothawk
As said, it is a slight variation of hastings' list, so no April thing and nothing too shocking. We know High Elf, then Eldar, then Lizardmen, then Space Marines this year plus maybe Bloodbowl. Stickmonkey fled to BOLS originally (thanks to Avian mostly), but everyone knows that Natfka posts every rumour he gets
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Post by: pretre
Yeah, two or three people have thrown out HE as the next release since the FB leak. lol Automatically Appended Next Post:
I should start e-mailing him the most outlandish crap to see where his line is for posting.
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Post by: Kroothawk
pretre wrote:Yeah, two or three people have thrown out HE as the next release since the FB leak. lol
Since the FB leak? High Elves in May are in the Dakka rumour roundup for a couple of months, with only minor variation since Hastings made his list June 2012 (up to June 2013).
With all your tracking, don't forget to respect the main track.
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Post by: pretre
Kroothawk wrote: pretre wrote:Yeah, two or three people have thrown out HE as the next release since the FB leak. lol
Since the FB leak? High Elves in May are in the Dakka rumour roundup for a couple of months, with only minor variation since Hastings made his list June 2012 (up to June 2013).
With all your tracking, don't forget to respect the main track.
I wasn't counting Hastings, he's had the release schedule down forever. I meant 2 or 3 other people have come out since the FB leak a couple days ago with HE in May and then their own list.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Actually, the 2 phoenix types were posted a few days before the pic leak. That's why I finally started the new High Elf thread.
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Post by: Kirasu
Im still at a loss of why GW wouldn't produce a plastic thunderhawk to go with a rerelease of Apocalypse. The FW one is awful due to the mold being incredibly old, even ignoring the ludicrous price. When a model takes 30 hours to assemble due to poor mold lines, warped pieces and just an aging product it's time to replace it.
What better way to replace the mold than by making it in plastic? I seriously doubt FW sells very many these days.
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Post by: AlexHolker
Kirasu wrote:Im still at a loss of why GW wouldn't produce a plastic thunderhawk to go with a rerelease of Apocalypse.
Because they are stoopid. They could have released a plastic Thunderhawk to celebrate the 25th anniversary of Warhammer 40,000. Instead we got some limited edition skull-shaped rocks, the Storm Raven and the Stormtalon.
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
Or even some people's posts which were meant to be speculation, and not rumors at all...
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Post by: chilledmonkeybrains
@Kirasu - Is the mould really that old on the FW Thunderhawk? I would be very surprised (ok - maybe not that surprised, but defo shocked and disappointed) to hear that FW don't produce fresh moulds when an old one has passed its usable shelf life. That's very poor form indeed! I have a mate who's ordered an FW Thunderhawk - I'll have to check it out when it arrives.
But I'm gonna jump on the bandwagon calling for a plastic Thunderhawk. Ok, so metal tooling and injection moulding are more expensive, but if GW think enough people would buy them, it would be worthwhile. Although saying that, maybe FW need to upgrade to metal tooling...
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
 chilledmonkeybrains wrote:@Kirasu - Is the mould really that old on the FW Thunderhawk? I would be very surprised (ok - maybe not that surprised, but defo shocked and disappointed) to hear that FW don't produce fresh moulds when an old one has passed its usable shelf life. That's very poor form indeed! I have a mate who's ordered an FW Thunderhawk - I'll have to check it out when it arrives.
But I'm gonna jump on the bandwagon calling for a plastic Thunderhawk. Ok, so metal tooling and injection moulding are more expensive, but if GW think enough people would buy them, it would be worthwhile. Although saying that, maybe FW need to upgrade to metal tooling...
Don't worry FW do make new moulds as/when needed
and the way resin works they'll have multiple copies of each mould (they may need to wait an hour or more before they remove the cast from the mould)....
whether they change the moulds often enough is a different question, but they probably do, as the FW issues are most commonly warpage (either removing a cast before it's fully set, or temp changes in transit) and bubbles (lack of suffient care/vibration/vaccuum when casting), not the 'blured' edges or missing detail of a worn out mould
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Post by: chilledmonkeybrains
 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: chilledmonkeybrains wrote:@Kirasu - Is the mould really that old on the FW Thunderhawk? I would be very surprised (ok - maybe not that surprised, but defo shocked and disappointed) to hear that FW don't produce fresh moulds when an old one has passed its usable shelf life. That's very poor form indeed! I have a mate who's ordered an FW Thunderhawk - I'll have to check it out when it arrives.
But I'm gonna jump on the bandwagon calling for a plastic Thunderhawk. Ok, so metal tooling and injection moulding are more expensive, but if GW think enough people would buy them, it would be worthwhile. Although saying that, maybe FW need to upgrade to metal tooling...
Don't worry FW do make new moulds as/when needed
and the way resin works they'll have multiple copies of each mould (they may need to wait an hour or more before they remove the cast from the mould)....
whether they change the moulds often enough is a different question, but they probably do, as the FW issues are most commonly warpage (either removing a cast before it's fully set, or temp changes in transit) and bubbles (lack of suffient care/vibration/vaccuum when casting), not the 'blured' edges or missing detail of a worn out mould
Well that's good news and bad news... good to hear that they have multiple copies of each mould and make new moulds as required, but it would be pretty bad to either:
1. Not change the mould often enough, or
2. Remove a cast before it is fully set!
I used to work in rapid prototyping and fully appreciate the pressures of delivering product on time, but not to the detriment of the product quality. Can I just ask where you get your info from regarding FW practice? Do you know someone who works at FW? Just curious to know!
Cheers
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Post by: Davespil
I really hope they make a plastic Warhound (though there is probably a 1% chance of that happening), don't care at all about the Thunderhawk.
Assuming that the above schedule is correct (not unreasonable) then GW has released the following codexes for the 6th ed:
Dark Eldar (close enough to 6th ed release to count as 6th ed me thinks)
Necrons (absolutely 6th ed)
Chaos Space Marines
Dark Angels
Chaos Demons
Tau
Eldar (June?)
Space Marines (October?)
Tyranids (January?)
What's left:
Black Templars
Blood Angels (don't think it was close enough to 6th ed)
Grey Knights (could it be considered 6th ed?)
Imperial Guard
Orks
Sisters of Battle
Space Wolves (don't think it was close enough to 6th ed)
Then by Jan 2014 they will only need to release 7 codexes to bring everyone up to date. I'm truly impressed... And I've honestly liked the new models, codexs, and 6th ed. I do hope the sisters get a new codex, and the pace they're tossing them out they'll have to. The rest minus BT are mainstream armies that will definately not be ignored. A Marine codex can't be that hard to make, its just a variation of the SM codex really.
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Post by: pretre
I would consider GK 6th ed. The book was pretty clearly setup for 6th.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
My FW supositions, (and they are only that is based on observation). FW are a pretty good resin producer, especially considering the amount of stuff they make but
The large flat panels are often warped to a greater or lesser extent (not everything, not most, but enough to be a known issue)
even stuff traveling within the UK which is the key
(the moment you stick anything in a container/hold on a ship or in a plane the temp changes can be significant enough to cause trouble)
the only real reason for warping with resin pieces is pulling the mould before it's fully set (& cruicially cool). It's what you might expect when a company tries to squeeze an extra cast or two into they day.
This is based on what I've seen/heard from resin casters working on 1/35 scale kits/conversion bits rather than minis, but it should still apply
As I said above FW DO change the moulds when needed, (their stuff is usually nice and sharp)
As to bubbles, FW are usually pretty good but you do get some. Now you can reduce them by your choice of resin (thinner mix = less bubbles as they can escape easier), by de-gassing the resin in a vaccum (if the set time is slow enough to let you do so), by manually removing them (again a lot easier with slow setting resing), by using a vibrating probe or table, and by your choice of release agent (not sure how this one works, but that's what I'm told).
All the methods that reduce your bubble load mean more hands on time for the caster, and more setting time for the resin, so again the more you see (from a generally decent caster than FW) the more likely it is they were trying to get too many done in a day
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Post by: Experiment 626
pretre wrote:I would consider GK 6th ed. The book was pretty clearly setup for 6th.
I'd call it a 5.5 as it had some early indicators in the exact same way the Skaven had in Fantasy... But overall was still mainly ment to work with the current (at the time) 5th ed rules set.
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Post by: chilledmonkeybrains
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:My FW supositions, (and they are only that is based on observation). FW are a pretty good resin producer, especially considering the amount of stuff they make but
The large flat panels are often warped to a greater or lesser extent (not everything, not most, but enough to be a known issue)
even stuff traveling within the UK which is the key
(the moment you stick anything in a container/hold on a ship or in a plane the temp changes can be significant enough to cause trouble)
the only real reason for warping with resin pieces is pulling the mould before it's fully set (& cruicially cool). It's what you might expect when a company tries to squeeze an extra cast or two into they day.
This is based on what I've seen/heard from resin casters working on 1/35 scale kits/conversion bits rather than minis, but it should still apply
As I said above FW DO change the moulds when needed, (their stuff is usually nice and sharp)
As to bubbles, FW are usually pretty good but you do get some. Now you can reduce them by your choice of resin (thinner mix = less bubbles as they can escape easier), by de-gassing the resin in a vaccum (if the set time is slow enough to let you do so), by manually removing them (again a lot easier with slow setting resing), by using a vibrating probe or table, and by your choice of release agent (not sure how this one works, but that's what I'm told).
All the methods that reduce your bubble load mean more hands on time for the caster, and more setting time for the resin, so again the more you see (from a generally decent caster than FW) the more likely it is they were trying to get too many done in a day
Thanks Orlando - appreciate the (detailed!) response!
You are certainly correct regarding the bubble issue, and I'd hope that degassing the resin in a vacuum chamber beforehand was standard practice (as well as the appropriate release agent). When I worked in rapid prototyping I had a stint in the vac-casting department and can understand how hard it can be when you're trying to meet high daily demands. It's something the management never seem to appreciate - they just want to sell as much as they can, but then complain when the product is not to the required standard (probably typical of most businesses, to be fair)...
In the miniatures industry, however, the required standards should be extremely high, due to the level of detail in the often tiny components (just look at all the detail in the best mini sculpts). So really, the only 'excuse' for poor product should be due to damage/temperature warpage during shipping. ALL parts should leave the manufacturer in a near-perfect state.
But this is GW/ FW we're talking about, so it's PROFIT PROFIT PROFIT...
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Post by: Evil Lamp 6
So from reading all this, here's hoping for SoB in 2014!
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Post by: Evil Lamp 6
I prefer to think of it as not having to buy anything from GW for another year, give or take .
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Post by: Sigvatr
Unlikely. 2014 won't bring any big, profit-generating releases, then re-releasing the most niche army in the game wouldn't be that clever imo.
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Post by: pretre
via Larry Vela on Bols
So remember all that talk over the last year of that "flyer wave". It looks like the new Games Workshop "ship everything we've got RIGHT NOW" release strategy made that wave unnecessary.
Basically, the Tau flyer got rolled into the Tau release. The Eldar flyer is being shifted to go with their codex two months down the pipe, and the other ones get slid over to support the...
Apocalypse 2.0 Release
July according to the rumored GW 2013 Master Schedule
In particular, it looks like the Apoc slot will include the following on the miniatures side:
Dark Eldar Voidraven Bomber
Imperial Guard Hydra / Hydra-variant (hinted as toting Lascannons)
Imperial Guard Colossus/Bombard
and most importantly...
The dual-build Imperial / Chaos "Titanish-thingy" (bigger than a Baneblade - smaller than a Warhound).
I'm hoping its a newly invented Knight-sized machine. In any case, I have doubts about that Plastic Thunderhawk (but I'd be first in line for one).
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Post by: kronk
Oh...SNAP!!!!
This summer will be expensive! Just like last summer!
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Post by: 1hadhq
Apoc II Hydras and arti welcome too. 
Oh, and dear Omnissiah, please no more dreaded knights style or chibi-flyer.. 
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Post by: MajorStoffer
HYDRAAAAA!
It's still a rumour, but I god-damned want my plastic hydra kit.
You lot can froth over the Knight or whatever it might be, if it exists at all, but my Hydra, it has a codex entry, it has to come sooner or later, and by the Emperor, I will have it. I've had just about enough of fliers, and relying on vendettas to kill them.
Honestly, I should update my sig to reflect my Hydra demand; it's not like Episode 3 will ever happen, Gaben is allergic to 3s, but the Hydria, that might actually happen.
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Post by: JB
kronk wrote:Oh...SNAP!!!!
This summer will be expensive! Just like last summer!
1hadhq wrote:Apoc II Hydras and arti welcome too.
...
If the Eldar minis are any good then they, along with Apoc and any new IG equipment, are going to bankrupt me.
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Post by: Compel
July? Darn it
That means I'm still going to have to use the rubbish current Apocalypse in Praedis Zeta!
If I get shot at by another "We have reserves!" Titan, I'll cry!
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
 Sigvatr wrote:
Unlikely. 2014 won't bring any big, profit-generating releases, then re-releasing the most niche army in the game wouldn't be that clever imo.
Isn't 2014 the next Fantasy edition AND Hobbit 3: Hobbit Harder?
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Post by: MasterSlowPoke
Next fantasy edition is 2015.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Larry Vela's rumours sound legit.
Hastings now says Warhammer 9th edition in 2015, Harry still has it 2014 but acknowledges that Hastings is almost never wrong
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Post by: lasgunpacker
Bombard is more exciting to me than a hydra, but only if it is on a proper extrended LR chassis...
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Post by: Insurgency Walker
Just ordered a FW nightwing, which guarentees that there will be an Eldar flyer soon. I would rather have a griffon than a bombard, but I'll be getting a few of whatever IG stuff comes out.
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Post by: Thatguyhsagun
Just before the GW US sight crashed thre were reports they removed all BT items but the dex, shoulder pads and vehicle upgrade sprues. Maybe the SM dex is going to have the Templar nutters rolled in?
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Post by: Snrub
Imperial Guard Hydra / Hydra-variant (hinted as toting Lascannons)
AWWW YEAAAAH.
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Post by: Absolutionis
With the recent trend of silly-looking giant toys coming out for miscellaneous factions from the Grey Knights Babycarrier to the Chaos Mechazord-Drake, I don't have high hopes that they'll pull off a Knight to any decency without looking like a Power Rangers toy.
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Post by: hotsauceman1
Hmm, Cancel possibly final trip with family and dump all my savings into 40k apoc.
Decisions decisions.
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
Snrub wrote:Imperial Guard Hydra / Hydra-variant (hinted as toting Lascannons)
AWWW YEAAAAH.
Maybe two loadouts for AA, choose between 4 TL shots at 72" with autocannons or 2 TL shots at 48" with Lascannons? Seems the simplest answer to me, and skyfire on the hydra would mean it would not be a super cheap way to spam lascannons to shoot at the ground.
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Post by: pretre
From Faeit212:
via an Anonymous Source wrote:
Wolves early / middle 2014, Inquisition fall / end 2014, Blood Angels fall / end 2015.
Not many releases for Wolves, just specific flyer variants.
Finecast big predator wolf.
Wulven units included.
They also get almost all Marine releases till then, apart of flyers.
Inquisition all three ordos, two different armies (grey knights and sororitas). Inquisitors can replace IG HQs.
Blood Angels on early re-design.
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Post by: 1hadhq
pretre wrote:From Faeit212:
via an Anonymous Source wrote:
Wolves early / middle 2014, Inquisition fall / end 2014, Blood Angels fall / end 2015.
Not many releases for Wolves, just specific flyer variants.
Finecast big predator wolf.
Wulven units included.
They also get almost all Marine releases till then, apart of flyers.
Inquisition all three ordos, two different armies (grey knights and sororitas). Inquisitors can replace IG HQs.
Blood Angels on early re-design.
MC megawolf as we need "big kits" , right?
IDK if the sisters should have to wait for a roll into codex Inquisition. They aren't doing their martyrdom thing lately but again part of the Inquisition?
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Post by: Kanluwen
Don't hate, 1hadhq.
I would be all flippin' over a giant angry monster wolf. I'd name him Turkey and he would be the bane of the tabletop!
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Post by: Just Dave
How much salt do we apply to an anonymous Faeit rumour for releases a year+ away?
Edit to clarify it's rhetorical, Kan.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Tons.
But if I don't get an angry monster wolf, I will become very unpleasant.
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Post by: Shandara
How angry does it have to be? And are lasers included?
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Post by: Kanluwen
No lasers.
It needs giant sword blades strapped to its flanks though, so that it can perform the most deadly "Roll over!" trick known to the universe!
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Post by: Sasori
pretre wrote:From Faeit212:
via an Anonymous Source wrote:
Wolves early / middle 2014, Inquisition fall / end 2014, Blood Angels fall / end 2015.
Not many releases for Wolves, just specific flyer variants.
Finecast big predator wolf.
Wulven units included.
They also get almost all Marine releases till then, apart of flyers.
Inquisition all three ordos, two different armies (grey knights and sororitas). Inquisitors can replace IG HQs.
Blood Angels on early re-design.
I beleive none of this.
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Post by: 1hadhq
I don't hate angry canines on the table. I'd borrow a Wiener and ...
But this whole concept of large kits, preferrably some sort of monster in fantasy and mirroring it to 40k isn't my favorite dream of the future.
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Post by: JB
 1hadhq wrote:I don't hate angry canines on the table. I'd borrow a Wiener and ...
But this whole concept of large kits, preferrably some sort of monster in fantasy and mirroring it to 40k isn't my favorite dream of the future.
Why not just ask your friends to play lists without the huge models? Or is it WAAC in your part of Bavaria?
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Post by: 1hadhq
 JB wrote: 1hadhq wrote:I don't hate angry canines on the table. I'd borrow a Wiener and ...
But this whole concept of large kits, preferrably some sort of monster in fantasy and mirroring it to 40k isn't my favorite dream of the future.
Why not just ask your friends to play lists without the huge models? Or is it WAAC in your part of Bavaria?
We don't have enough players to have WAAC ones. Maybe we have but I didn't meet them..
What I was trying to say is: to include mythical monsters in fantasy is ok, to add a toyish looking monster sized "thing" to 40k is not.
GW got it half decent with Tau, but suits are their theme and an enlarged one fits. An enlarged Wolf however is closer to the nemesis dreadknight.
If we have to have larger kits, where is my T-Hawk?
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Post by: Kroothawk
pretre wrote:From Faeit212:
via an Anonymous Source wrote:
Wolves early / middle 2014, Inquisition fall / end 2014, Blood Angels fall / end 2015.
Not many releases for Wolves, just specific flyer variants.
Finecast big predator wolf.
Wulven units included.
They also get almost all Marine releases till then, apart of flyers.
Inquisition all three ordos, two different armies (grey knights and sororitas). Inquisitors can replace IG HQs.
Blood Angels on early re-design.
Did you finally send Natfka an anonymous email to check out whether he indeed posts everything?
Anyway, if an anonymous email contradicts Hastings, I rather believe Hastings.
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Post by: pretre
Lol I really need to do that.
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Post by: ace101
Anymore rumors about the "trait system" being re-introduced into the SM 'dex? I saw the early rumor part in the first part of this thread, and i read the 4th edition codex and saw the traits, is that more/less what might get put into the codex, with certain changes?
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Post by: hotsauceman1
I kinda want that Knight thing.
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Post by: ace101
I think it maybe more along the lines of a regular marines dreadknight. The logic behind this would follow the same argument as C: SM and BT getting the Storm raven, "Ok so GK have a(n) <insert exclusive set here>, but SM and BT. Oh, I know, lets it to them too, saying that the bureaucracy finally caught up to equip everyone else." Not saying this is gospel, but applying a pattern GW used already. And, heres to hoping my Blood Ravens get some more air time with a trait in the 6th edition dex like in 4th, so people remember them and remind Relic to get their act in gear and makes DoW 3 already (Im actually curious about CoH 2, but am saving up for BF4).
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Post by: hotsauceman1
I was under the impression it was going to be this
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Knight
But all i care about is the Codex for my SM and maybe one more goody.
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Post by: ace101
Saw the 40k, non-epic scale picture, and now agree, can't wait.
Hopefully they lower the cost of the vanguard vets' upgrades a little, and add in the traits system. I love what they are doing with the new codices in hardback, and I want a Bloody Magpie on the cover: lets give Relic+ GWs pet chapter get some limelight on tabletop.
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Post by: hotsauceman1
It will be ultramarines, it always is ultramarines.
Now, this is from a text from my friend, I do not know where he got it, so grain of salt.
Supposedly it is Kelly or vetock writing it.
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Post by: Snrub
I'm inclined to to agree.
I'd be really interested in a Codex: Inquistion though. I do love my Ordo Xenos.
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Post by: Ferrum_Sanguinis
Sasori wrote: pretre wrote:From Faeit212:
via an Anonymous Source wrote:
Wolves early / middle 2014, Inquisition fall / end 2014, Blood Angels fall / end 2015.
Not many releases for Wolves, just specific flyer variants.
Finecast big predator wolf.
Wulven units included.
They also get almost all Marine releases till then, apart of flyers.
Inquisition all three ordos, two different armies (grey knights and sororitas). Inquisitors can replace IG HQs.
Blood Angels on early re-design.
I beleive none of this.
A desperate bid to save the SoB army???
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Post by: Brother SRM
I'll believe plastic Hydras when I see them. They were rumored to come out when IG got their second wave with the new Chimera and Leman Russ kits, sometime during the ever-elusive "Summer of Fliers" and again with the launch of 6th ed. They, along with plastic Stormtroopers, are something I don't plan on seeing until IG get a new codex.
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Post by: tankboy145
 Brother SRM wrote:I'll believe plastic Hydras when I see them. They were rumored to come out when IG got their second wave with the new Chimera and Leman Russ kits, sometime during the ever-elusive "Summer of Fliers" and again with the launch of 6th ed. They, along with plastic Stormtroopers, are something I don't plan on seeing until IG get a new codex.
Plastic storm troopers would be nice! maybe make it easier to get multiple special weapons so I dont go broke trying to get multiple plasma and melta guns lol. Hydras would be cool but I think they need to be a little cheaper for how they are this edition. I know Guard doesnt exactly need a new codex but some things could be fixed, as well as a ton of stuff needs plastic models.
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Post by: -Loki-
1hadhq wrote: JB wrote: 1hadhq wrote:I don't hate angry canines on the table. I'd borrow a Wiener and ...
But this whole concept of large kits, preferrably some sort of monster in fantasy and mirroring it to 40k isn't my favorite dream of the future.
Why not just ask your friends to play lists without the huge models? Or is it WAAC in your part of Bavaria?
We don't have enough players to have WAAC ones. Maybe we have but I didn't meet them..
What I was trying to say is: to include mythical monsters in fantasy is ok, to add a toyish looking monster sized "thing" to 40k is not.
GW got it half decent with Tau, but suits are their theme and an enlarged one fits. An enlarged Wolf however is closer to the nemesis dreadknight.
If we have to have larger kits, where is my T-Hawk?
Big kits suitability depend entirely on the army. As you said, it worked with Tau and a big suit. I doubt you'll find many Tyranid players complaining about the Tervigon, Trygon or new Flyrants sizes - though maybe the aesthetics of the model (I'm not a fan of the Trygon model, and wasn't when Forgeworld did it first). Orks would definitely fit, a large junkmech - look at the FW megadred.
But Imperial armies it starts to get a bit absurd. The Dreadknight is the perfect example of a large kit NOT fitting an army.
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Post by: 1hadhq
ace101 wrote:and I want a Bloody Magpie on the cover: lets give Relic+GWs pet chapter get some limelight on tabletop.
sure?
I'd love to have real Raven there, Raven Guard. Easiest Cover ever.
-Loki- wrote:
Big kits suitability depend entirely on the army. As you said, it worked with Tau and a big suit. I doubt you'll find many Tyranid players complaining about the Tervigon, Trygon or new Flyrants sizes - though maybe the aesthetics of the model (I'm not a fan of the Trygon model, and wasn't when Forgeworld did it first). Orks would definitely fit, a large junkmech - look at the FW megadred.
But Imperial armies it starts to get a bit absurd. The Dreadknight is the perfect example of a large kit NOT fitting an army.
Agreed.
Orks have 2 options: mek build walkers or squig based creatures.
Eldar ? Have Avatars and wraithlords. Larger wraithbone construct maybe? . A saurian with an exodite on top could happen.too..
humans? Knights of the mechanicum could bleed peoples wallets dry, where another dreadknight is a sign they lost their grasp of the aestethics.
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Post by: Melissia
 Davespil wrote:I do hope the sisters get a new codex, and the pace they're tossing them out they'll have to.
They'll find an excuse. they always do.
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Post by: Souleater
Yeah, they will probably do Codex Star Leopards due to.their ancient and interesting back ground.
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Post by: Melissia
Or Codex: Squats.
Now if you'll excuse me, I believe I need to hide from the barrage of groans.
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Post by: battlematt
Codex: Cat People. The Furies Of Death!!
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Post by: RandyMcStab
I heard Fishmen we're out before Cat people.
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Post by: Fifty
1hadhq wrote:Orks have 2 options: mek build walkers or squig based creatures.
Eldar ? Have Avatars and wraithlords. Larger wraithbone construct maybe? . A saurian with an exodite on top could happen.too..
humans? Knights of the mechanicum could bleed peoples wallets dry, where another dreadknight is a sign they lost their grasp of the aestethics.
I don't think Avatars can stand to get too much bigger. A larger Wraith construct is a possibility, but even that starts to move into the realms of absurdity if it is still Spirit Stone driven. What you do have have available is the old Knight Titan from Epic. Fluff has them as mainly an Exodite feature, but either including Exodite fluff or extending them to Craftworld fluff would hardly be a stretch. A modern version would just be halfway between a Wraithlord and a Titan. If you are going to include any Exodites at all, why not have both Knight Titans and Craftworld "Dragon" Riders. They were in the 2nd Ed codex, after all
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
Plastic stormtroopers and veterans? Dreamforge.
Plastic Knights and Big thingies for the Imperium on a large base? Dreamforge.
There, problem solved, and at a fraction of the cost.
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Post by: -Loki-
Mathieu Raymond wrote:Plastic stormtroopers and veterans? Dreamforge.
Plastic Knights and Big thingies for the Imperium on a large base? Dreamforge.
There, problem solved, and at a fraction of the cost.
I'm sorry... what? Speaking from Australian prices, the oval base large models sit in the $90au-$96au bracket. The Dreamforge mechs are $150au (I know, because my FLGS has a pile of them on display, and I was shocked when I saw the cost compared to the size, which is only slightly larger than the GW large oval base kits). I don't see how nearly double the cost translates to a fraction of the cost.
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Post by: Vasarto
So when do you guys think Orks will be done?
My guess is not until 2015 Summertime.
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Post by: wowsmash
That's fine buy me. I should have most if not all of my ork stuff that want before their released so it won't hurt too bad when its bend over time
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Post by: pretre
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2013/04/mechanicus-adeptus.html#more a source that wants to remain anonymous wrote:
Mechanicus:
starting late 2014 early 2015.
"Pre-releases" starting early 2014 with finecast Servitors, plastic Turrets, LR Medusa, used already by other armies.
White Dwarf historical propaganda on Mars, titan variants etc.
Starting release based on only two huge plastic kits, around 55GBP each:
- Knight "Titan" (standard paladin, scout lancer + variants, many weapons).
- Knight "Lord" (very heavy crusader, support +, character baron blink).
Each Knighthold can have 3-4 knights at 1250 pts.
Depending on sales and demand, more smaller Ad Mech will be released starting middle 2016.
"I'll believe that when me gak turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet."
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Post by: Just Dave
To re-quote myself from earlier in this thread:
Just Dave wrote:How much salt do we apply to an anonymous Faeit rumour for releases a year+ away?
Edit, to clarify it's rhetorical, Kan.
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Post by: Sasori
pretre wrote:http://natfka.blogspot.com/2013/04/mechanicus-adeptus.html#more
a source that wants to remain anonymous wrote:
Mechanicus:
starting late 2014 early 2015.
"Pre-releases" starting early 2014 with finecast Servitors, plastic Turrets, LR Medusa, used already by other armies.
White Dwarf historical propaganda on Mars, titan variants etc.
Starting release based on only two huge plastic kits, around 55GBP each:
- Knight "Titan" (standard paladin, scout lancer + variants, many weapons).
- Knight "Lord" (very heavy crusader, support +, character baron blink).
Each Knighthold can have 3-4 knights at 1250 pts.
Depending on sales and demand, more smaller Ad Mech will be released starting middle 2016.
"I'll believe that when me gak turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet."
Seconded. it's like crap is just spewing out from there.
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