Sroc's tail looks a bit too prehensile, but overall he looks awesome.
The wolves are an improvement IMO. I do agree the banner bearer's head is slightly big for his body, but so is my dad's lol. Hopefully the tails are being reworked as well, as they were also too flexible and long for a wolf.
I'm surprised we didn't see a teaser for Metal Age. Any idea what its about? Heavy infantry?
Sroc is my new favourite thing.
For metal age, maybe they're going to start producing some of their line in metal - lower costs, maybe get some new customers.
Henry wrote: Sroc is my new favourite thing.
For metal age, maybe they're going to start producing some of their line in metal - lower costs, maybe get some new customers.
I can't believe I didn't think of that.
On KS, Rob said "As for "no more Darklands until the book is done"... you'll understand more when this project goes live."
Henry wrote: Sroc is my new favourite thing.
For metal age, maybe they're going to start producing some of their line in metal - lower costs, maybe get some new customers.
I can't believe I didn't think of that.
On KS, Rob said "As for "no more Darklands until the book is done"... you'll understand more when this project goes live."
Which might support this theory, maybe...
It would allow me to buy more of the infantry sculpts if they were slightly cheaper.
Interesting theory on metal infantry. Could they do metal casts w their existing setup? I'm not sure it would save anything over their big guys. I think I have a preemptive hernia imagining lugging Kull in metal around lol.
Henry wrote: Sroc is my new favourite thing.
For metal age, maybe they're going to start producing some of their line in metal - lower costs, maybe get some new customers.
I can't believe I didn't think of that.
On KS, Rob said "As for "no more Darklands until the book is done"... you'll understand more when this project goes live."
Which might support this theory, maybe...
It would allow me to buy more of the infantry sculpts if they were slightly cheaper.
The resin human sized infantry is so amazingly frail, having metal would help quite a bit I'd think. It would be a very smart move on Mierce's part for sure. Even if the kickstarter was just to make new molds for metals of existing figures, perhaps they could also try to hire a full time sculptor just to do the kickstarter conversions that pile up!
Frenzied Srók looks pretty amazing! I'm really tempted to add on (to Alpharius's pledge) towards it, but I'd have to do a hand swap for him to work as a Wrastler for Hordes, since they don't carry weapons. Any suggestions on a good model to pirate some "croc hands" from for such a conversion?
It still makes me a little nervous how many campaigns they have unfulfilled (New Kindreds ended 8 months ago, and hasn't started delivering yet of course, although I'm looking forward to Mórannach from Wave 7) and continue to add to the workload, so I would really love it if this upcoming one was to convert some infantry to metal. I think that could be a great idea since as noted some of them are very fiddly in resin, so this could actually be an even better medium (and possibly slightly cheaper). So it will be interesting to see!
Alpharius wrote: Would metal miniatures really be cheaper than resin miniatures?
Especially the big beasts?
I'm not so sure.
But what I am sure of is that I don't want any of the bigger sculpts in metal!
On the man sized stuff it should be cheaper. Resin is really labor intensive and prone to flaws. Metal is more forgiving. At the very least less likely to break in the factory.
Alpharius wrote: Would metal miniatures really be cheaper than resin miniatures?
Especially the big beasts?
I'm not so sure.
But what I am sure of is that I don't want any of the bigger sculpts in metal!
On the man sized stuff it should be cheaper. Resin is really labor intensive and prone to flaws. Metal is more forgiving. At the very least less likely to break in the factory.
I really doubt they would switch the big beasts over to metal, as that would be much more expensive. Having man sized troops and 'key' parts of larger models, might help a bit though. Plus, if they miscast anything in metal, they just remelt it, and try it again.
Ah yes, I slightly misread it. I've just had a similar procedure (it was a hernia opIIRC) and couldn't drive for a fortnight and wasn't supposed to lift heavy things for 6 weeks. It's a little over two months now, and I'm not sure I'd risk anything as intense as a resistance session at the gym for instance (it hurts when I sneeze!)
As my surgeon put it "just because it was on purpose, I still stabbed you in the gut three times!"
If they make some metal infantry for a bit cheaper... I'm in! I've been drooling over Darklands minis for so long but couldn't justify the price for a game that isn't done and that no one here has heard of.
Quite happy with Srok. Of course I'll be happier when they get the helmeted version done, but he's quite impressive.
Almost able to stand up to the Dyndraig leader too. That guy is massive as well!
I still hope and wish that if they do another Bane Beasts KS, they consider doing a hand to hand fighting Krokodar. Srok looks like a good base to start with!
Give him some chains wrapped around his fists, armored knuckles, bladed gauntlets or something... bam! Instant wrassler.
For Marasai- have you considered emailing them and letting them know you'd like to change your order?
If you're really unhappy with the wolf sculpt, I'm sure they'd let you get the credit back and pick something else from their store if that's what you'd like.
I am intrigued by this idea of metal infantry. If we aren't worrying about new sculptsthat would probably help things out on their end.
I would certainly prefer metal Savrar to the delicate paper thin ones I have currently.
I agree... This is great news. Unfortunately, I only collect resin goodies, so no good news for me, but I think it will aid Mierce in getting a bigger crowd. And these miniatures really deserves a bigger crowd!
I'm actually surprised that at least some of the 60mm base stuff is getting metal options, as there are plenty of really bulky things in that selection
But I'm sure I can justify some cheaper troops for the stuff I;ve not got yet, or where I've got monstrous infantry & big creatures but no troops
Yes, I had a double hernia op recently (small umbilical and a large-ish inguinal hernia).
The procedure was set for Aug/Sept but I got 5 days notice that the op would be in June! I was happy though as I was in a fair amount of pain/discomfort at times (I've had the small one for 12 years and the large one for 2 so I was ready!) and my wife had booked a trip to Paris for our anniversary in Aug so that had been looking doubtful if the op was around that time.
Anyway, the procedure went well (though all sorts of un-imaginables changed colour, swelled up and became very painful for a while!) and I'm now back at work. I had two weeks off to recover from the surgery (it hurts when I sneeze too, Azrael and hayfever doesn't help lol!) and I need to take it easy for a few weeks so I'm not a full speed yet but getting there - and I'm getting the lads to do the heavy lifting whilst I concentrate on the slicing!
Anyways there you go - there's been a delay which I apologise for (these are the first non-vacation days off I've had working for Mierce...ever!) but I'll be caning the overtime once I'm fully healed and I'll catch up best I can. I did try to come back early, but boy was that a mistake!
In the meantime hmmm shiny metal! I do recall planning something metal before I went away......all that morphine I was on for a while though...I forget! :0P
Nah, the Metal Age KS is indeed to give people the option of our luvverly infantry (inc some characters) minis in metal. It will allow us to bring the entry level cost down as well. Starter sets for kindreds with a good deal for all, that sort of thing.
And of course we will still cast our minis in resin for those that prefer it! But the aim of this KS is to get those people that have been a little hesitant because of the higher cost of resin to dip their toes in. And even resin junkies probably don't own as many Darklands infantry as they'd like........ Some monstrous infantry too will be produced in metal (hopefully!) - though there comes a point where resin makes more sense with those guys - Sronax for example, are probably a no go in metal!
We'll be outsourcing the metal casting so me and the resin casters can crack on with the other stuff. It won't slow us down on current wave fulfillment either so kills two (well a few really!) birds with one stone.
Anyways bed awaits! I don't come on forums much (I was reading the AoS rumours!) so see you on the KS page!
Tim
P.S I wanted to call it Metallica or Heavy Metal but got overuled. Bah! :0P
Yes, I had a double hernia op recently (small umbilical and a large-ish inguinal hernia).
The procedure was set for Aug/Sept but I got 5 days notice that the op would be in June! I was happy though as I was in a fair amount of pain/discomfort at times (I've had the small one for 12 years and the large one for 2 so I was ready!) and my wife had booked a trip to Paris for our anniversary in Aug so that had been looking doubtful if the op was around that time.
Anyway, the procedure went well (though all sorts of un-imaginables changed colour, swelled up and became very painful for a while!) and I'm now back at work. I had two weeks off to recover from the surgery (it hurts when I sneeze too, Azrael and hayfever doesn't help lol!) and I need to take it easy for a few weeks so I'm not a full speed yet but getting there - and I'm getting the lads to do the heavy lifting whilst I concentrate on the slicing!
Anyways there you go - there's been a delay which I apologise for (these are the first non-vacation days off I've had working for Mierce...ever!) but I'll be caning the overtime once I'm fully healed and I'll catch up best I can. I did try to come back early, but boy was that a mistake!
In the meantime hmmm shiny metal! I do recall planning something metal before I went away......all that morphine I was on for a while though...I forget! :0P
Nah, the Metal Age KS is indeed to give people the option of our luvverly infantry (inc some characters) minis in metal. It will allow us to bring the entry level cost down as well. Starter sets for kindreds with a good deal for all, that sort of thing.
And of course we will still cast our minis in resin for those that prefer it! But the aim of this KS is to get those people that have been a little hesitant because of the higher cost of resin to dip their toes in. And even resin junkies probably don't own as many Darklands infantry as they'd like........ Some monstrous infantry too will be produced in metal (hopefully!) - though there comes a point where resin makes more sense with those guys - Sronax for example, are probably a no go in metal!
We'll be outsourcing the metal casting so me and the resin casters can crack on with the other stuff. It won't slow us down on current wave fulfillment either so kills two (well a few really!) birds with one stone.
Anyways bed awaits! I don't come on forums much (I was reading the AoS rumours!) so see you on the KS page!
Tim
P.S I wanted to call it Metallica or Heavy Metal but got overuled. Bah! :0P
Thank you very much for the update, and all the best in your recovery!
I like the sound of where this is headed and if it is mostly converting sculpts to metal rather than adding more I will definitely consider backing
...and if you guys don't end up making some sort of Krokodar hand to hand brawler, I think I'm going to have to get a spare and just do it myself. The results will be knowhere near as awesome as if you guys do it though!
It would be perfect for the Banebeasts line.... hint hint, nudge nudge.
What do you think about converting Frenzied Srok, highlord? I'm betting the hands will be separate bits attached to the weapons. Since he has "cuffs" on his arms, you could just glue on different hands, if you could find a suitable mini to steal then from. Thoughts?
And thanks for the answers, Mierce! I wasn't clear if the price you mention is what we'll see in the campaign here (sounds lower than before, which would be great - the savrar were £10 per mini at the KS price previously and more at retail). Cheaper metal small models would be extremely tempting.
Crikey, £2 a mini is almost begging to start another kindred. I've always fancied a beast man army (looking for alternatives to GW was how I found Mierce to begin with). This might be the time.
...and if you guys don't end up making some sort of Krokodar hand to hand brawler, I think I'm going to have to get a spare and just do it myself. The results will be knowhere near as awesome as if you guys do it though!
Savrar would be rad. They have a chunk of the unit already don't they?
You could probably snip the weapons off Srok and sculpt some brass knuckles on him easily to hide the handles in his claws.
20 pounds for a 10 man infantry unit? This thing is going to explode! I cannot wait!
I picked up 10 starter hosts in New Kindreds over the course of the pledge manager, but am definitely in for some more Byzanti, Gabrax and Atalantes!
Well, they won't be that unless inside of a Starter Host:
Mierce Miniatures wrote:@Azreal - you'd be looking at October for fulfilment... @Henry - the infantry within the starter hosts work out at around £2 a miniature on the project, £3 if you purchase them outside of a starter host...
So you'll be spending more than that £20 to get those 10 infantry.
If you're like me you're looking at closer to £30 for 10 infantry, as at this point, I've already got a LOT of Darklands stuff already - not sure if I need more Hosts in metal!
Still, Mierce is smart about this - I can see there being 'blocks' of just Infantry available too, without the big beasties - maybe?
I'd guess maybe a bit more than that even £3.50-4 outside of the host,
as I suspect the biggest generators of the discount in the hosts will be the big things,
where the humans are going cheaper but require more be more spinning, handling and checking so there will be less margin for offering discounts on them
Doesn't line infantry average ~£5 a model currently? Ironically, still much cheaper than a lot of GW kits, but a cut down to £3.50 would be a significant saving.
They were £5ish in the kickstarters, but go for £10ish in the store. I can imagine it's very difficult to convince people to be interested in your game when a unit of 10 regular foot soldiers is just shy of £100.
The big stuff probably sells well by itself, but I wonder how many of the little guys they've sold post kickstarter prices.
what sort of price difference is there between metal and resin units for normal infantry types? Is a 10 man metal unit say 75% of the cost of a resin one?
10 resin Duguth w cmd, say, is £70 RRP. 10 metal Duguth w cmd will be £30 at RRP. They'd be £5 individually.
Did someone mentioned metal? Some of the elements on infantry like spears and banners will be a lot more sturdy now. Something to check out next Salute I guess.
what sort of price difference is there between metal and resin units for normal infantry types? Is a 10 man metal unit say 75% of the cost of a resin one?
10 resin Duguth w cmd, say, is £70 RRP. 10 metal Duguth w cmd will be £30 at RRP. They'd be £5 individually.
That sounds promising! Very interested in this now, as previously the awesome human sized models were mostly off limits to me due to the cost per model. Definitely pledging if only to have the option to buy more later.
Also love that you'll include an a la carte price, even at £5 that is much better.
Alpharius wrote: I would've sworn 10 resin infantry w/ cmd during a KS campaign is closer to £50...
...but this is still significantly cheaper, so all around this is a very good thing.
Remember, that he's saying that those are RRP (recommended retail price). 5 duguth RRP is £35. The £50 price for 10 duguth (RRP £70 approx) was the kickstarter price which is typically 20% cheaper. I'd hazard a guess that for 10 metal Duguth Kickstarter price, it will be around £25.
I have one (or ordered) one unit of every type of infantry Mierce have done so far, but they do look so few when compared to all the Monsters I have to go with them. I can see myself spending a silly amount on this KS to really bulk my musters out.
I do hope they stick with the brass rods for spears and standards, I can see problems if they do these types of things in thin white metal.
Whilst I intend to remain a pure resin devotee for Darklands itself this makes me happy as a) anything that boosts possible take up of the game is good and b) the possibility of doing a Nature or Herd army in KoW with cheaper metals of my favourite models becomes realistic (since I can multibase using less models than a "full" regiment)
Darklands: Metal Age is a fantastic Kickstarter project from Mierce Miniatures designed to re-tool our miniatures to get you playing Darklands cheaply - for it provides you with an Infantry Starter Host in metal that includes a commander, infantry unit and monstrous infantry unit for just £60 ($90), saving you over 70% from the equivalent in resin. That means you're getting our amazing rank and file infantry at around £2 ($3) each!
An example of a metal Ax-Drune, resin Ax-Drune and undercoated metal Ax-Drune
A scale comparison between an Ax-Drune and miniatures from other manufacturers
Backing Darklands: Metal Age is a great opportunity to get into the dark fantasy world of Darklands for the first time (especially as the Darklands: First Edition rulebook is just around the corner), to expand your existing Darklands collection or maybe just to grab some fantastic miniatures to paint. We'll give you the option to purchase everything in resin, too, if you're more of a painter than a gamer!
Offerings are understandably a bit limited at the moment, so nothing I really need yet... is there an a la carte option like was mentioned here, as I only see prices for the hosts?
I personally think I'd want just infantry in metal, not monstrous infantry, so it'd be nice to at least have the units offered by themselves.
Yeah, they said 27 pounds for a 10 man if you want them separately, and Rob was going to put up an option for 10 man warrior units as opposed to 7+command.
I wonder what might be next in the pipe? A brythonaid host with the Taelu and 2 dyndraigs seem likely. I'd like to see a Byzanti option. Not sure if they would mix in Infernii or use Tycho as there's no Byzanti monstrous infantry.
That's a lot more palatable to me - looking forward to seeing that option! If we want that, we'd just pledge for the £10 level but adjust the amount to be £27, right?
I went in for 2 sets. Currently the only one I really need is the Formoraic one, but if another I really isnt unlocked, the extra cash can always go towards another wishlist item in their store, given how a pledge for one campaign can effectively used to buy something from another.
- 1x General (increase your pledge by £6 to purchase separately)
- 1x Sorcerer (increase your pledge by £6 to purchase separately)
- 1x Infantry unit of 10x miniatures, including champion, banner bearer, herald and 7x warriors (increase your pledge by £27 to purchase separately). The 7x warriors include the alternate warriors of the banner bearer and herald
- 1x Monstrous Infantry unit of 2x miniatures (increase your pledge by £27 to purchase separately)...
- ...or 1x Monstrous Infantry unit of 3x miniatures (increase your pledge by £41 to purchase separately)
10% discounts from RRP are given on purchases of starter host contents. We want you to purchase the starter hosts!
The prices on the infantry seem very reasonable. Seems like the 3-man unit of Monstrous Infantry should have been £40 since 3 is actually ever-so-slightly more expensive to purchase per model than two
Very cool, will be watching to see if some things I can use get added!
£60 for some gorgeous minis? I'm in to pack out my Duguth (a unit of 20 and 10 to fill out what I got), but I've got to persuade myself I don't need another kindred. Three kindred bought and a grand total of 14 miniatures painted is not a good ratio.
Henry wrote: £60 for some gorgeous minis? I'm in to pack out my Duguth (a unit of 20 and 10 to fill out what I got), but I've got to persuade myself I don't need another kindred. Three kindred bought and a grand total of 14 miniatures painted is not a good ratio.
I really need to start painting mine I'm on four kindreds, but two of those I'm curently waiting for to be posted. I only have two models painted so far lol.
I may be in for the Norse as I dont have any of those yet. The werewolfs put me off the Angelcynn. Actually I just noticed this ends before I get paid so not sure now, didnt realise its only 14 days.
Yeah, the 14 days is kind of an odd choice. This project didn't have a lot of advance notice, and it gives people only 1 paycheck to cover it. If your mortgage/rent/car note falls due in that, it can put a real dampener on your ability to back.
I just threw a buck at Zombicide, since you can upgrade from that in the pledge manager. Plus now that they're up to 125K between stretch goals a single pledge makes any real difference. The $150 I'd spend there helps this a lot more.
At minimum, I suggest throwing a ten spot on Metal Age to gain access to the pledge manager. You might not have the funds now, but in a few weeks you'll probably be kicking yourself otherwise.
To be honest I'm waiting for a 4000 SEK (~$5-600) speeding ticket to drop in a month or two after I got caught on camera a week ago, so 30 days probably wouldn't have helped :/
Also, the higher this goes, the more chance that some new sculpts will be possible. After all, Valentin Zak has pretty much finished most of the Eirann and then, well, there's this lot that need to be made:
I'd forgotten about the Fianna unit they look nice. I'm really interested in the Jutgar though if they are anything like Mildryth's sculpt I'll be all over them.
It feels like Mierce has more than enough concepts to run a full 'Big' kickstarter just using stuff they've already shown in previous campaigns. I'd love to see them do something like that, as there's so many designs they've shown that are really amazing.
But then again, people always want new new new! And surprises always get people talking.
I suppose the hound horse will forever remain the 2D herald of a campaign's end.
The are going to metalize stuff up to 60mm base size,
beyond that is certainly not economically viable (and I would not be surprised if some of the larger Monstrous Infantry will make less sense in metal than resin, so we may see some but not all of those get a metal option)
Yeah, I'll be after just the infantry in metal, not the monstrous infantry. The a la carte pricing is great and very much appreciated!
But the new graphic looks to have a typo for the cost of adding 2 Monstrous Infantry - here is the text that was on the campaign page yesterday, with that line in red:
Infantry Starter Hosts always contain:
- 1x General (increase your pledge by £6 to purchase separately)
- 1x Sorcerer (increase your pledge by £6 to purchase separately)
- 1x Infantry unit of 10x miniatures, including champion, banner bearer, herald and 7x warriors (increase your pledge by £27 to purchase separately). The 7x warriors include the alternate warriors of the banner bearer and herald
- 1x Monstrous Infantry unit of 2x miniatures (increase your pledge by £27 to purchase separately)...
- ...or 1x Monstrous Infantry unit of 3x miniatures (increase your pledge by £41 to purchase separately)
10% discounts from RRP are given on purchases of starter host contents. We want you to purchase the starter hosts!
That text is no longer on the main page, replaced by this graphic, but the cost of 2 monstrous infantry in the bottom left of the graphic is different:
Looks like a mistake in the graphic, so maybe someone could pass this along in the comments?
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@Pete - deliberate, made a mistake on the original text. The Brutes and Trolls are bigger than the Tarvax / Wælwulfas, and so are a different price point (£20 opposed to £15 each).
I am down for 2 starter sets I think. I am a little ambivalent towards the monstrous infantry, but the regular infantry and heroes are pretty exciting to get in metal at pretty good prices.
I am a little worried about the high funding goal, vis a vie not having many exciting stretch goals, but I am pretty happy even with the base deal so I am not too worried!
It's going to depend on how the moulds are set up (and what size they are)
but based on one of Olleys Armies a year or so ago KS where he gave costings a mould is about £90 from gryphon,
but he had done as 'set' moulds which are pretty inflexible long term as you get a 'set' every time you spin (and if it wears unevenly you may end up with some parts of the set becoming unavailable)
better to have a mould with one (or a small number of ) minis repeated several times so if a cavity gives out the mould still provides you with useful product so I suspect there will be several per kindred just from what unlocks at £10K
(The Olleys Armies KS had mould making work out as about 10% of the goal, assuming this is the same you're looking at about 2 moulds per kindred + 3 spare, perhaps for command bits?)
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That's useful Orlando, and I chipped in towards a metal mold Grimstonefire had made over at chaos dwarf online for some custom weapons and figures he had sculpted a few years back, and can look at the costs of the mold. The number you're putting out sounds in the ballpark, along with the rationale about what to put in a mold.
The main thing is Mierce isn't having to pay sculpting fees for this campaign, which given the talent they were using saves them quite a considerable amount! So, the goal they have for the amount of models they'll need to have cast looks entirely reasonable to me (although I still am not sure that casting monstrous infantry in metal was worth it, given the space they'll take up in a mold compared to infantry models).
Good points, I probably am just used to most projects hitting their funding goal within the first 12 hours of being up. I wonder though how many sets they are going to sell; it would seem to be a function of how many people are like me and didn't really get in at the higher resin price but are happy for metals, against how many people already have all they want. I would imagine there are not too many that have all the awesome infantry they could possibly want, but it is hard to guess how big the total market is.
Still, excited to see some of the new kindreds out! The Welsh especially.
I'd also hope we get a fair few new faces this time round, as there's been quite a lot of people very interested in the Darklands range that just can't face the price of the resin (especially for the human infantry),
or simply can't imaging actually gaming with resin
I'd imagine a fair few will at least dip their toes in the water at what's about half price or less compared to the resin
I'm all for cheaper infantry, it's the part I love most about Darklands and would even get me to play it despite the names I can't pronounce. Alas, the short kickstarter coupled with the launch date means I can't get in on this.
and a battlerep Darklands Angelcynn v Ysians Encounter (500 gold)
from Mierce in the comments
The video[s], by the way, [are] of a short introduction with Timmy and a few other bits and pieces, and then a battle featuring the exact Angelcynn host and Ysian host you see here. It worked out really well and should show you the full rules in a really cool way. Well, most of them anyway.
We didn't bother with weather for this one, nor did we show you how terrain is generated nor how your units are positioned, but it gives you a good grasp.
...and believe me, when you see how scouts and flanks work, you'll understand that your 6x4 battlefield is a LOT bigger than its physical size...
Glad to see Mierce getting some more videos in. The accents are pretty thick, but I feel like I've learned a lot about the game from the video. I would love it if they played some more games with different kindred and characters/beasts. Want to see Gomagg vs Krull!
Gomagg v Krull would be incredibly boring. The game really shines when you have small groups of infantry taking down big monsters or when a monster is ordered correctly to brace for impact and then mauls its attacker.
@cincydooley - we fought that not long back and it was actually a cracking game. Gomagg eventually took down Krull, but then he was killed by a Fiend (as Krull had took chunks out of him beforehand)... the Albainn won in the end, although they only had some Gairlom left.
MaxT wrote: How many kickstarters have they got backed up now then that they've not finished fulfilling? 5? 6?
This one is a bit different, however, as it is about casting existing sculpts in a new material.
So:
a) No waiting for the sculptors to sculpt additional models, which is why the other KSes are still in the process of being fulfilled
b) The casting is being done by a 3rd party, so not in the same work queue as the resin casting for other KSes.
MaxT wrote: How many kickstarters have they got backed up now then that they've not finished fulfilling? 5? 6?
Currently, these are the kickstarters:
1 - World at War - Finished
2 - First Edition - Next send out off stuff starting. After that, they have 2 sculpts outstanding, both of which are the backer "descendants" and the book to finish. The book has been delayed, but the rules are about finished. After that, its graphic design, background and photography and finally printing. In terms of dispatch, Wave 7 has started (Wave 7 started at the end of June).
3 - First Edition 2 - approx 72% complete. Out 106 sculpts commissioned in total, 30 are outstanding with many of those showing WIPs. Wave 6 sendouts are being finished off with Wave 7 starting.
4 - Monstrous Mounts - this is the cause of most of the upset. It has been delayed due to the amount of re-scheduling of the sculpts due to sculptor unavailability unfortunately. However, now that Roberto Chaudon has been generally freed from First Edition 2, he is now free to begin the ones here. And Roberto is quick - there's 2 big ones - Krekkkek and the Fellhrafn. After that, it's conversions of existing models.
5 - New Kindreds - the main one currently. As the sculptors are finishing off working on the previous Kickstarters, they're begining to work on this. Valentin Zak has done the bulk of the Érainn and they look stunning, Aragorn Marks has started on the Jutes. We'll probably see Roberto's and Stephane Simon's sculpts begin later on as they are tied up on previous kickstarters but are probably 6-8 weeks from starting I reckon. Both Yannicks have knocked some of the recent sculpts out the park as well. Wave 7 is the first send out from this one.
6 - Banebeasts Mighty Monsters - Currently in fulfilment. Most of the pieces have been done and a few backers have commented about receiving stuff. Currently on schedule for fulfilment.
7 - Banebeasts part deux - awaiting sculptors to be freed from the previous banesbeasts.
8 - Metal Age - the current one. This one doesn't involve new sculpts, but involves retooling some of their masters to be able to be cast in metal.
Aye, they do have a lot on the cooker, but they have dedicated themselves to the Kickstarter business model and, as a consequence, have several projects on the go as you can see. It should be noted that they haven't been quiet or gone into silent running. You do get a constant stream of updates, communication and resin packages coming through the door! My last one came through 2 weeks ago and I'll probably get one in the next month from New Kindreds (can't wait to get my hands on the Érainn!)
Mierce Miniatures wrote: @cincydooley - we fought that not long back and it was actually a cracking game. Gomagg eventually took down Krull, but then he was killed by a Fiend (as Krull had took chunks out of him beforehand)... the Albainn won in the end, although they only had some Gairlom left.
I may have misunderstood him to mean "just Krull" vs. "just Gomagg." I think seeing that as an "arena" duel would just be kinda boring. With other things on the board, far less so!
Despite my love for Pacific Rim, I like the big beasties taking on the little guys and the little guys prevailing more!
Well, that is pretty darn awesome. Doesn't totally fit with the idea of just making things metal, but maybe they need to generate some excitement (I see they're taking a poll in the comments for what concept art to show).
I would be seriously tempted to start Érainn if I could get the infantry in metal, and the beasts in resin. But showing beasts like that here makes me think they'd be metal, which isn't as good of a fit for an organic beasty like that which you might want to convert a bit (imagine sticking in another tree branch somewhere, etc ).
Love that piece of concept art, though, and the Érainn in general. Cracking stuff!
Backed, but I don't know what for yet. All of the starters that I'd want would give me duplicates of monsters an characters on top of the infantry so don't really make sense unless I'm starting a new faction.
Love the concept... not sure how well it will translate into a sculpt, though. What I like about the concept is the "misty form", but that is quite hard to get good in sculpting. Will be interesting to see how it will be developed.
I don't think so, or at least unless we get really far. He's just teasing for the next one. In this they indicated they want to add other kindred hosts (with Byzanti/Brythonaid seeming to be next in line) as well as offer the other 2-3 monstrous infantry in metal (so the rest of the trolls, brutes, etc).
Bossk_Hogg wrote: I don't think so, or at least unless we get really far. He's just teasing for the next one. In this they indicated they want to add other kindred hosts (with Byzanti/Brythonaid seeming to be next in line) as well as offer the other 2-3 monstrous infantry in metal (so the rest of the trolls, brutes, etc).
Does anyone really prefer those trolls in metal, even with somewhat of a cost savings?
It's a great idea for infantry, and you could fit a lot of infantry in that same mold space... Not sure if there's any chance of them changing their minds here based on feedback and what models most benefit from the material change.
Bossk_Hogg wrote: I don't think so, or at least unless we get really far. He's just teasing for the next one. In this they indicated they want to add other kindred hosts (with Byzanti/Brythonaid seeming to be next in line) as well as offer the other 2-3 monstrous infantry in metal (so the rest of the trolls, brutes, etc).
Does anyone really prefer those trolls in metal, even with somewhat of a cost savings?
It's a great idea for infantry, and you could fit a lot of infantry in that same mold space... Not sure if there's any chance of them changing their minds here based on feedback and what models most benefit from the material change.
I guess they will want to have metal options for the MI so they can consider selling metal hosts in stores etc as sets,
but I'd certainly prefer doing all the 'human' sized stuff before doing more than one MI type per kindred
Bossk_Hogg wrote: I don't think so, or at least unless we get really far. He's just teasing for the next one. In this they indicated they want to add other kindred hosts (with Byzanti/Brythonaid seeming to be next in line) as well as offer the other 2-3 monstrous infantry in metal (so the rest of the trolls, brutes, etc).
Does anyone really prefer those trolls in metal, even with somewhat of a cost savings?
It's a great idea for infantry, and you could fit a lot of infantry in that same mold space... Not sure if there's any chance of them changing their minds here based on feedback and what models most benefit from the material change.
I guess they will want to have metal options for the MI so they can consider selling metal hosts in stores etc as sets,
but I'd certainly prefer doing all the 'human' sized stuff before doing more than one MI type per kindred
I agree I'd much rather just have the infantry in metal and everything else in resin.
monders wrote: I've tried finding some reviews of Darklands, but haven't had much luck.
How does it play? Quick n fun or Super Serious Chin Stroking?
There's a couple of battle reports that break down the Quickstarter rules here, here and here. Also, see this official vid for an idea on how the game plays:
In terms of the game, there is a slight learning curve, but once you've got the basics down it does flow nicely. Some of the more unique rules include; monsters get weaker as they take damage (they loose attacks for one and it becomes harder to perform certain actions) and Sorcery costs you constitution (equivalent of wounds) for each spell cast. So you can cast loads of magic, but there's a chance you could kill your Mage as his life force drains away. Finally, even though the monsters can be huge, never underestimate human sized infantry. They may be weaker, but there's more of them and they are a lot more skilled. The rules are free to download from the site.
monders wrote: That all sounds great, thanks Zedmesiter.
I'll get researching further, but I reckon I'll be pledging.
No problem bud. At the end of the day, even if you don't like the rules, you'll at least have a set of very nice Dark Age themed miniatures that you can proxy elsewhere.
Don't forget to pop by the Kickstarter comments if you have questions or want more info on each of the Kindreds. What's taking your fancy at the moment?
if you end up getting into Darklands as a game rather than just for the minis it would be worth looking at the rest of the models for the kindreds (factions) you're interested in to see what appeals more across the board
Is there some story reason for that girl fighting with her ass out in the wind?
Here's the backstory for the original:
The manner of Æthelglyth's rise amongst Meloda's Gesith has led many to call her wælcyrge, a chooser of the dead brought from legend to reality, or maybe a sigewif, a victory-woman, that decides the fate of those who covet her queen's head; simple scare-tales she nevertheless takes care not to dismiss, for is not reputation the chief weapon of the warrior, and indeed the warrior-maiden? Æthelglyth herself allows none, not even Meloda, to know much of her, of her childhood nor her adult life, and thus Mierce as a whole knows little of Æthelglyth except for her deeds, the speed of her axe-swing and the silver-quick of her blade, the strength of her anger for the rabid Ysians and the perfidious Northumbrians, the crazed strawhairs and the painted warriors of the far north. Of Æthelglyth, one thing is certain - an enemy of Mierce is an enemy of Æthelglyth, and whilst she may be slight and her years young, her battle-skills - as well as her avowed beauty - are bewitching to all that can see with clear eyes.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Máire, Fiannagh warrior
It worries me a little that the Byzantii are in their second KS now without actual models existing. Are the Brythoniaid in the same place? Are those renders or actual models?
I suppose it isn't that big of a deal, but it's been a long time at this point. One wonders when they will get done.
Wehrkind wrote: It worries me a little that the Byzantii are in their second KS now without actual models existing. Are the Brythoniaid in the same place? Are those renders or actual models?
I suppose it isn't that big of a deal, but it's been a long time at this point. One wonders when they will get done.
Not true - Mine arrived today
I also have the centurion, the scorpion, Erebius on massive beast, and a unit of the big fiends...
although the banner pole will need to be replaced with wire as it's too thin to survive any gaming/transporting action as resin (should be ok for paint and display if you're careful)
This appeals a lot, but I'm mainly interested in Albainn and Erainn so I suspect I'll be waiting a good long while before those make it to metal.
Can I ask; is there a gallery anywhere of the completed models which are not yet up for sale on the non-KS store for us peasants?
Also; from the concept art, it seems as if the Erainn models are built a little differently than the other humans, but I can't tell - are they the same height as the others but much bulkier, or are they stocky compared to other humans? Or is that just the art? It would suit me better if they are a bit on the stocky side, since that would mean I could use them for both Darklands AND an Albion warband for Mordheim.
Every bulletin gets reposted here dude, so if you can be arsed to trawl through, you'll see everything us KS backers have seen, I've also found a lot of the stretch goal illustrations on a Google Image search in the past, but they'll be concepts rather than sculpts.
As for the Erainn? No clue, but making them distinctly different is the sort of detail that'd be typical.
Yodhrin wrote: This appeals a lot, but I'm mainly interested in Albainn and Erainn so I suspect I'll be waiting a good long while before those make it to metal.
Can I ask; is there a gallery anywhere of the completed models which are not yet up for sale on the non-KS store for us peasants?
Also; from the concept art, it seems as if the Erainn models are built a little differently than the other humans, but I can't tell - are they the same height as the others but much bulkier, or are they stocky compared to other humans? Or is that just the art? It would suit me better if they are a bit on the stocky side, since that would mean I could use them for both Darklands AND an Albion warband for Mordheim.
Yodhrin wrote: Also; from the concept art, it seems as if the Erainn models are built a little differently than the other humans, but I can't tell - are they the same height as the others but much bulkier, or are they stocky compared to other humans?
This typically comes down to the style of the particular sculptor. Even though the sculptors can adapt to someone else's style, they still have their own distinguished way to sculpt. Valentine Zak, for example, who has sculpted most of the Erainn shown thus far, usually sculpt with a little more mass. I believe that this is the reason why they look slightly differently.
Having just watched the game play video a few posts above a couple of things stood out
- infantry are actually worth taking in your musters.
- the game seems fairly easy to pick up and it has quite a few similarities with older versions of wfb (not AoS).
I am curious how the infantry will hold out against the really big guys like Krull or Angrislaug, I think they will struggle to damage them. It was also nice to see the Ysians actually win a game.
I'm just waiting for the rulebook and starter sets to hit selves. Really looking forward to Darklands but everything seems disorganised and chaotic atm, probably because of all the successful KSs (which is a good thing I suppose! ).
Enjoyed the battle report. I might have preferred a game with more formations (they don't seem to matter, similar to Warmachine) but I liked the look of a lot of the mechanics. Really, this is what WAOS could have been, in an alternate reality. Looking forward to playing this myself!
After a nice weekend we're now at around the £14,000 mark and that means the Byzantii Infantry Starter Host is not too far away... and so let's give you another metal host to go for - this time the Érainn Tuanagh Infantry Starter Host!
Increase your pledge by £60 to get a hold of the Érainn Tuanagh Infantry Starter Host!
Watch out for more infantry hosts soon... we seem to be knocking over those stretch goals pretty quickly!
So the Érainn starter is the first to contain minis that haven't been sculpted yet. Also they've only just in the last few weeks been taken off the New Kindreds section as they are due in wave 7.
I'm kind of glad I picked up the big Hydra instead so I can save money on these in metal.
I'm guessing if I put £10 in now I'll have to pay for the starter around October time, which gives me time to save up for the Norse starter as well
My other thought is will we see the Jutes and Atalantes offered in metal before we see the sculpts and if we did would this mean less sales for the resin versions.
GiraffeX wrote: So the Érainn starter is the first to contain minis that haven't been sculpted yet. Also they've only just in the last few weeks been taken off the New Kindreds section as they are due in wave 7.
I'm kind of glad I picked up the big Hydra instead so I can save money on these in metal.
I'm guessing if I put £10 in now I'll have to pay for the starter around October time, which gives me time to save up for the Norse starter as well
My other thought is will we see the Jutes and Atalantes offered in metal before we see the sculpts and if we did would this mean less sales for the resin versions.
I'd thought the Erainn were already closed, as they are all complete, but a check of the website shows the host is still open (possibly in error).
I think only the two tree dudes are unsculpted for Erainn. Hopefully Didier is close to being done, or they are being reassigned, as he finished the commander tree back in January and it seems six months should be enough time to have knocked them out...
I picked up the Erain and Jutes monstrous and regular infantry during New Kindreds. Kind of wish I'd at least gotten the Jutes in metal, as those spears frighten me in resin. If the Atalantes infantry get added to Metal Age, I'm definitely adding them. Those spears looked even more slender than the jutes'.
From what I remember way back in KS 1, Shaaroc was Brythoniaid, but joined the Fomoraic when the Christians started driving the dragons back. He's the exception to the rule.
My guess will be that Scaeroc (Grymdraig) will be a Brythoniad Commander of sorts. Theg equivalant of the Angedern (Prifdyndraig) is to the Dyndraig, but for the Cawrdraig (dragon ogres).
Or im off and hes just a larger version of them but that Chest plate certainly looks like the Brythoniad Insignia.
If the Atlantes make it to metal thats my ability to resit a 2n'd Kindred gone.
Maybe the recovery roll shouldnt be a penalty....I mean your spell casters are already spending life to cast spells. Your spending an action to attempt to recover- so it shouldnt have the possibility to be a double negative. In other words if you fail thats bad enough because you just wasted an action.
Not oh you failed wasted an action and possibly killed yourself. Makes it very risky bringing a spell caster period more of a liability really....as you have no reliability and your odds of killing yourself to cast spells very high. it seems.....esp since its 2d10 damage with possibility of exploding dice.....
Think all you designers are doing is making it to where no-one will take spellcasters unless their powers are ridiculously good or they are very cheap and expendable.
@Chaos45 - before we changed it, sorcerers failing their Temper Test did virtually nothing - it lowered his Temper attribute's value - and was no deterrent. This way, there is a cost; and bear in mind that most sorcerers start with a lot more constitution (some monstrous sorcerers have a lot of constitution), and it's often better to attempt to recover before constitution becomes very low. So it's not like it happens all the time, and there's plenty of things to go against it.
What I'm trying to say is - I hear you, but it's not a problem at all, and people are not dissuaded from taking sorcerers.
Still, all the hosts are great deals in this one, so I have no doubt it would be good too. 10 infantry will set you back about $40. 10 Reaper bones man sized figures runs $30 retail. No disrespect to Reaper, but the choice seems clear to me!
The armor plating all over his body is different. Legs especially. There's armor plates where the mummified head is now. Less spikes on the arm guards.
I know, right? I'm actually not a huge fan of many of the female Mierce sculpts (some just don't live up to the concept art at all) but they hit that one out of the park!
After a nice weekend we're now at around the £14,000 mark and that means the Byzantii Infantry Starter Host is not too far away... and so let's give you another metal host to go for - this time the Érainn Tuanagh Infantry Starter Host!
Increase your pledge by £60 to get a hold of the Érainn Tuanagh Infantry Starter Host!
Watch out for more infantry hosts soon... we seem to be knocking over those stretch goals pretty quickly!
I wasnt interested in the drinking companions, then I saw Agathae. So how do we get one of those I cant make out whats required from the kickstarter page.
GiraffeX wrote: I wasnt interested in the drinking companions, then I saw Agathae. So how do we get one of those I cant make out whats required from the kickstarter page.
Up your pledge by £10 per, then send a mail to "kickstarter@mierce-miniatures.com" telling them which one(s) you want.
As far as I know, it's entirely separate from the rest of your pledge, whether that's for starter sets or not.
What Rob has said is that after the KS they will take off that £10 from your pledge before it goes into the pledge manager, and they will create you a separate order for the drinking minis.
I'm curious if anyone could comment on what they think of the "modified sculpt" route and results so far. I ask partly because it seems to me like certain sculptors might be hesitant to commit to chopping up their green and making changes to it, and that it might be difficult to pull off... luckily, I pledged for and received Erebius on Behema from Monstrous Mounts, but the riderless version Brontull seems to me like it would need major surgery (the platform is totally integrated).
In hindsight, sculpting the riderless version first makes more sense (they did this for the giant rat, Back-Cracker, and it looks amazing).
But in going back to sculpts like Shaaroc and making a lot of changes, it just seems like something I haven't seen done before, and I wonder if it's worth it...
Last page we discussed Nuala, and her alternate version with an added mask did not seem worth it, and the same goes for Enslaved Agriosavra. Do people like the modified sculpt route or is it unnecessary / would you rather see those funds put towards new sculpts (albiet fewer, since a totally new sculpt would cost more) or to other things?
grefven wrote: Euhm... what's the difference? Another weapon choice, is that it? And the "foot-on-the-stone" pose? :p
The head is also different, as it's missing the helmet. Plus they fixed his club foot.
Only they didn't fix the foot! The club foot was more of a trademark for Mierce Miniatures than their "foot on a stone" pose imo.
Who else has a club foot (as in deformed)? Kaairioc-cró kind of does, but I assume that's natural for whatever species it is, as he's a sea monster. I figured Shaaroc either had a birth defect or injury. It was neat and gave him character, so it makes sense the regular grymdraig wouldnt have it.
RiTides wrote: I'm curious if anyone could comment on what they think of the "modified sculpt" route and results so far. It seems to me like certain sculptors might be hesitant to commit to chopping up their green and making changes to it, and that it might be difficult to pull off... luckily, I pledged for and received Erebius on Behema from Monstrous Mounts, but the riderless version Brontull seems to me like it would need major surgery (the platform is totally integrated).
In hindsight, sculpting the riderless version first makes more sense (they did this for the giant rat, Back-Cracker, and it looks amazing).
But in going back to sculpts like Shaaroc and making a lot of changes, it just seems like something I haven't seen done before, and I wonder if it's worth it...
Last page we discussed Nuala, and her alternate version with an added mask did not seem worth it, and the same goes for Enslaved Agriosavra. Do people like the modified sculpt route or is it unnecessary / would you rather see those funds put towards new sculpts (albiet fewer, since a totally new sculpt would cost more) or to other things?
I'd assume that the sculptors don't chop up the original master, but rather take one of the resin masters. That would make more sense, and that is usually how the discussion goes when I raise the topic for my own project.
Slinky wrote: As far as I know, it's entirely separate from the rest of your pledge, whether that's for starter sets or not.
What Rob has said is that after the KS they will take off that £10 from your pledge before it goes into the pledge manager, and they will create you a separate order for the drinking minis.
Are they charging shipping separately for the drinking buddies minis or could you just get those shipped along the 'main' metals wave?
It hasn't been mentioned, so I assume that shipping is covered the same way as everything else. I think the separate order business is just so that Mierce can be sure that the 100 of each go to the people who ordered them, whereas if they added them as items in the pledge manager that wouldn't be the case.
RiTides wrote: I'm curious if anyone could comment on what they think of the "modified sculpt" route and results so far. I ask partly because it seems to me like certain sculptors might be hesitant to commit to chopping up their green and making changes to it, and that it might be difficult to pull off... luckily, I pledged for and received Erebius on Behema from Monstrous Mounts, but the riderless version Brontull seems to me like it would need major surgery (the platform is totally integrated).
In hindsight, sculpting the riderless version first makes more sense (they did this for the giant rat, Back-Cracker, and it looks amazing).
But in going back to sculpts like Shaaroc and making a lot of changes, it just seems like something I haven't seen done before, and I wonder if it's worth it...
Last page we discussed Nuala, and her alternate version with an added mask did not seem worth it, and the same goes for Enslaved Agriosavra. Do people like the modified sculpt route or is it unnecessary / would you rather see those funds put towards new sculpts (albiet fewer, since a totally new sculpt would cost more) or to other things?
They don't chop up greens. That would be foolish as it'd inevitably mean the master copy's gone (unless you're Daniel cockersell whose masters are destroyed as part of the moulding process). What they do is send casts for conversion. I've got marked galagaak from a previous kickstarter and he's much better than the original.
They do these conversion pieces because they are much cheaper than doing one fresh and so it's easier and more cost effective if you want to do kickstarter and show only pieces which is what Masked Nuala is. Plus, some of the muster entries have alternative weapons. Hammer Druc for example. Much cheaper to do the alternative weapon parts instead of a whole new piece. The new Sceroc piece also gives the Brythoniaid something new.
Slinky wrote: It hasn't been mentioned, so I assume that shipping is covered the same way as everything else. I think the separate order business is just so that Mierce can be sure that the 100 of each go to the people who ordered them, whereas if they added them as items in the pledge manager that wouldn't be the case.
Fair enough. I'm just not really prepared to spend 17 quid on a bit of a gimmick model (10 is bad enough!). Thanks.
Thanks for the thoughts on the modified sculpts guys. I guess it does make sense in that regard (i.e. if you're going to offer an exclusive, make it just part of a sculpt rather than the whole thing). Still would prefer no exclusives but I know that ship has sort of sailed on Kickstarter
In addition to that, at least these are more of a cutesy addition that hardly belongs on the battlefield; not anything that belongs even near the core of the range. edit: I stand corrected. Dunno how that happened.
On the subject of the KS exclusives I'm quite happy to have them, and in some cases prefer the altered version to the original
(eg I never felt the original Druc called to me, but Hammer Druc was a different matter)
I'd imagine they also mean that the stretch goals for some of the full sculpts (in the normal KS) can be somewhat smaller than they'd otherwise be which is a great thing
and in pure sales terms they can also give a reason to buy a host if you've already got some of the parts... it the host now comes with alternate versions it makes it much easier to justify duplicates
I was hoping this was an all metal line of miniatures, I miss metal minis, I actually preferred metal ones to the plastics... anyone know of a company that still does metal minis? exclusively that is.
bitethythumb wrote: I was hoping this was an all metal line of miniatures, I miss metal minis, I actually preferred metal ones to the plastics... anyone know of a company that still does metal minis? exclusively that is.
Chances are that most stuff on 60mm bases and smaller, which includes Warlords, Warchiefs, Infantry, Beasts and most monstrous infantry will make its way to metal at some point. The larger stuff will remain in resin due to it being easier to produce as well as being a bit more durable and able to hold its own weight. What caught your eye?
On the subject of the KS exclusives I'm quite happy to have them, and in some cases prefer the altered version to the original
(eg I never felt the original Druc called to me, but Hammer Druc was a different matter)
I'd imagine they also mean that the stretch goals for some of the full sculpts (in the normal KS) can be somewhat smaller than they'd otherwise be which is a great thing
and in pure sales terms they can also give a reason to buy a host if you've already got some of the parts... it the host now comes with alternate versions it makes it much easier to justify duplicates
I very much agree with this. For all the hosts, and army sets I've bought, it's nice to have a slightly different character to change things up. In many cases these are armored or unarmored versions of characters/beasts we already have, but in some cases they are posed slightly different (leaping, etc) or have different weapons (going from or to a banner bearer, etc). I especially like it when its a variant of a creature which you can take a small group of, such as GuthWulf, or a FellTroll, so you can have some variety within your unit.
Some of the conversions are simple, like Naara, and Helmed Naara, just have two different head pieces you can choose from. Others, like Galagaak, and Marked Galagaak, have a decent amount of new parts and modified parts.
In the past, it seemed like it was getting a bit out of control with all of them being exclusives, but I think Mierce will hopefully have them available to people in some way, shape or form in the future.
I'm reallly digging the idea of converting new creatures from old ones. The Murder bear, and graiffvin seem like they will be cool. And the idea of Romans with Giant lions is just AWESOME!
Last page we discussed Nuala, and her alternate version with an added mask did not seem worth it, and the same goes for Enslaved Agriosavra. Do people like the modified sculpt route or is it unnecessary / would you rather see those funds put towards new sculpts (albiet fewer, since a totally new sculpt would cost more) or to other things?
I'm split on the alt sculpts (in terms of what I prefer). I liked and ordered Masked Nuala and Feral Agathae. I picked up a 5 man unit of Taelu because it came with Tonsured Caedoc - I figured it was 15 pounds for Caedoc, or only 28 for Caedoc and 5 Taelu. I might not have even picked up the hooded version, so I guess they upsold me twice on that one! I instantly upped for the drinking Rollo as its a great concept.
However not all of the exclusives/alts do it for me. I'm getting the exclusive helmed Naraa with my Eye Ascendent unit and Unmasked Velchior with my fiend host, and prefer the regular versions. I bought a separate masked Velchior, and am luckily getting a helmed Naraa in metal with my Metal Age pledge.
I suppose it really depends on how much it costs for them to put out an alt model. No doubt the exclusivity drives sales from collectors, and offers a new take which might be someone's personal tipping point. I guess there's a slight chance it causes competition against the main model - which is probably why they make them exclusive. Overall I think it's probably worth it to them for the effort involved.
The Sipping Agathae just sold her to me I don't usually go for the alternatives (although I'm waiting for a few from New Kindreds to be sculpted), I don't even have any Byzantii for her to go with!
I'll be getting other starters from this kickstarter (go go Erainn, nearly there) so she might be on her own for a while poor lass.
Was the stretch goal for the additional monstrous infantry a stealth add? I could have sworn that wasn't there before I left for class, but it is entirely possible I had a stroke.
RiTides wrote: I'm curious if anyone could comment on what they think of the "modified sculpt" route and results so far. I ask partly because it seems to me like certain sculptors might be hesitant to commit to chopping up their green and making changes to it, and that it might be difficult to pull off... luckily, I pledged for and received Erebius on Behema from Monstrous Mounts, but the riderless version Brontull seems to me like it would need major surgery (the platform is totally integrated).
In hindsight, sculpting the riderless version first makes more sense (they did this for the giant rat, Back-Cracker, and it looks amazing).
But in going back to sculpts like Shaaroc and making a lot of changes, it just seems like something I haven't seen done before, and I wonder if it's worth it...
Last page we discussed Nuala, and her alternate version with an added mask did not seem worth it, and the same goes for Enslaved Agriosavra. Do people like the modified sculpt route or is it unnecessary / would you rather see those funds put towards new sculpts (albiet fewer, since a totally new sculpt would cost more) or to other things?
I'm for them even from a gameplay perspective, as you could feasibly have several iterations of the same type of character. It also gives options to people that are using these for more RPG or campaign type purposes.
I just finished putting together my alternate sculpt of Flint Fang from the Banebeast campaign, and it really is a fun alt sculpt, considering how much they changed him up.
2 headed flamethrower rat with a power claw and a drill arm? Why not? I'd love to see more of these drastic changes.
£18,000 - 1,000 Gold Upgrade
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All of the current Infantry Host Stretch Goals are unlocked (there'll be another later on today) but let's get a bit further with a fantastic upgrade for your Anglecynn, Fomoraic, Norse and Ysians with these incredible monsters...
Get your hands on the following 1,000 gold upgrade for your kindred's monstrous infantry!
These resin monsters (they will not be produced in metal - they are too big!) are a fantastic upgrade to your metal starter infantry host, providing you with some excellent punch to defeat your enemies. They're also at a fantastic discount, 30% off their recommended retail price!
The Anglecynn gain two Guthwulfas on 80mm bases, mighty wolves twice the height of a man; the Fomoraic have a huge sloth-beast, a Mallox on a 100mm base, to claw the enemy to death; the Norse bring two Felltrolls on 80mm bases to battle, much bigger than a normal Troll; and the Ysians have a mighty, raging Mantichora on a 100mm base to slaughter their foes.
Increase your pledge by the amount indicated to upgrade your host to 1,000 gold!
overtyrant wrote: Sod it, I caved in and backed for two starters and a rulebook...
Automatically Appended Next Post: I've always liked the Angelcynn and the Khthones. Is there any word on getting the Khthones into a metal starter?
Also the undead Wights from a previous JS are Angelcynn are they not?
The Wights are from the Jutes which are supposed to follow some time today, as well, along with the Atalantes. No Kthones yet, as far as I can see...
I've already got two bands nof 500-750 points of Ysians and Trolls (at least I will have when I'm getting my stuff from Mierce). Still, I got roped into backing for the Brythoniaid starter - I like those Dyndreigiau too much to not pick them up.
So I'll probably differentiate them into Infantry&Big Monsters (Ys), pure Monstrous Infantry (Norse Trolls) and Mixed Human and Monstrous Infantry (Brythoniaid). Well, unless I pick up one of those dragons, at which point my clever system will fall apart.
Hmm those Savrar look really nice! But so do the Atlantes'. If the Savrar get in I may get them and the Atlantes as they are gorgeous. Plus from the little background I've read the Khthones don't like the Atlantes so much. But then I love the Angelcynn as well. And if the Jutes Wights get in then I don't know what to do lol!
The khthones are a big one. Their cheapest unit is double most other kindreds. They need some lower level stuff (damn, I'm talking myself into buying more minis!)
I seem to recall they were more of Angelcynn wolfies sized (50mm based, somewhat more lithe) than Sronax/Dyndraig sized. still decidedly monstrous though.
overtyrant wrote: Hmm those Savrar look really nice! But so do the Atlantes'. If the Savrar get in I may get them and the Atlantes as they are gorgeous. Plus from the little background I've read the Khthones don't like the Atlantes so much. But then I love the Angelcynn as well. And if the Jutes Wights get in then I don't know what to do lol!
From what I understand, an Atalantes force can have Kthones units effectively as slaves, but you cant have Atalantes units in a Kthones lead force. Kthones are probably at 30k, due to the fact that they would be almost entirely new unit/sculpts, and they would probably need to pay for both resin and metal molds.
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overtyrant wrote: Those Malign of Alum Tomb that are on 50mm bases, are they monstrous creature size?
50mm base, about 50 - 60mm to the eye per the art direction.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Hopefully they do a follow up Metal Age late this year or early next. There's a lot that could stand to be converted. I think the Warriors of Baalor would be good sellers, particularly since Age of Sigmar came out.
I was secretly thinking that my money was safe, because as much as I wish great things for Mierce, I was only really likely to back a full host if the Savrar got unlocked, and I didn't think they would...
Jutes...why did have to be Jutes...
I'd not even considered them, now I really want them!
My friend was joking about pledging for every starter unit. But then I think he convinced himself. I'm wondering if Mierce will make a "one of each" pledge level?
I'm glad I found my receipt book today to put in a claim at work. I was going to buy a shed for my motorbike with the money, now it seems I'm buying a mountain of resin.
(Also for the Giant Lion for the Byzantii - and here I was thinking METAL AGE was going to be a low cost KS for me! )
Aye, that's the problem. Too many nice things and not enough money!
For those wondering why the wolfy Angelcynn get a bear remember, like other Kindreds, the Angelcynn are divided into realms:
Mierce: The main realm and are all Wer-wolf shape-changers
Eofora: East Angles - will be Wer-boars
Beornice: Northumbera outcasts - Wer-bears
Dēra: Yorkshire - Wer-deers
There were a few other realms mentioned but no idea of the what shape changers they will be?
So much for this being a not-normal kickstarter. I'm getting close to my normal levels of kickstarter funding. That bear's pushed me even closer. I hope Rob starts showing off some stretch goals for kindreds I don't own - then my wallet can relax a little. (if we hit the savrar, I'm buggered!)
Wow this kickstarter is going wildly out of control, there's just so much good stuff at such a decent price in metal its going to be really hard choosing what to go for, or saving for all of the starters I don't have!!! Two waves makes it bit more affordable for me so I can spread the cost.
Not sure how this is going to effect wave 8, will people go for resin Albainn, Jutes and Atlantes or wait for wave 10 in metal.
So is everyone filling out existing kindreds or jumping in to new ones with the metals?
I always wanted to have more infantry but could never really justify buying more than one unit of each.
As of right now I'm not techinically starting anything new...
Alpharius wrote: If I hadn't already locked in I definitely would have gone for metal for ALL human sized infantry figures!
Yup, kind of regretting my (mostly unassembled, even!) Resin 10 gabrax unit now. Oh well, gotta remember they're still awesome minis even if somewhat more expensive and fragile than could have been
I look at it this way: We are part of a community that's helping to grow a game with immense complexity and a vision for a world that's quite possibly going to be more intricate and deep than anything the likes of GW could hope to create.
As things grow and evolve, we, as consumers, are likely going to revise or revisit our buying decisions, and Mierce are likely to make discoveries, mistakes or have changes of heart which means that with the benefit of hindsight we may feel we didn't make the right choices.
But as long as you're buying stuff that speaks to you, you can never really regret owning them
More monsters and gribblies! Graagh! This time it's the Ysians that get a new monster... and it's the awesome Conjunct X! He's a Vivicoct, a vivisected concoction performed by the insane flesh-drunes of Ker-Ys to further their empires and ensure the Ysians are victorious on the battlefield...
Conjunct X (Conjunct ten) has been mashed together from the various different components of our other miniatures. He's got the body and right leg of Glaun, the head of Kaairioc-cró, the left hoof of Galagaak, the left arm of Vörtun, the right arm of Blood-Maw and the tail of Kadámastar!
Conjunct X stands on a 120mm base and will be around 100mm tall to the top of his head, so he's a big lad! Conjunct X will only be produced in resin - he is too big to be produced in metal.
Increase your pledge by £42 to get a hold of him, a saving of at least 30% from the eventual RRP!
I'm really tempted to add on (to Alpharius's pledge) towards it, but I'd have to do a hand swap for him to work as a Wrastler for Hordes, since they don't carry weapons. Any suggestions on a good model to pirate some "croc hands" from for such a conversion?
from Wave 7) and continue to add to the workload, so I would really love it if this upcoming one was to convert some infantry to metal. I think that could be a great idea since as noted some of them are very fiddly in resin, so this could actually be an even better medium (and possibly slightly cheaper). So it will be interesting to see!
Hope they release a mini of it.
