fox-light713 wrote: Ohh very nice. Lets just hope that the nazi lawyer's at GW doesn't shut it down.
Stupid, that's just stupid.
Agreed. What did that contribute to the conversation about the TGG Kickstarter or RH? There's a separate thread for Victoria's (quite stellar) work that this could have been posted to.
Now quick, before we get off topic, someone post a delicious gif.
~iPaint
*something something something....80%*
Well gee sorry, I saw a post from the previous page and was simply expressing my interests and fears of what might happen. Simply stumbled across it after a random search to see if there was any new's or rumors on SoB plastics as of late. What I did discover in my search is a small post by RH about the "The Orphanage of the Sisters of Eternal Mercy" and that they seem to be promising substitutes to use for a SoB army if they end up being in plastic, or at lease from some of the artwork that I've seen.
So on the topic of a future RH kickstarter some images that looks promising for SoB stand in's. Though I feel these have probably been posted multiple times already.
TheDungen wrote: I'm sorry but the fact that GW still use heroic proportions is no longer a viable reason to keep using heroic proportions. The industry is moving away from that and in time even gw will have to change with the times.
Uh.. yeah. While it's certainly good that more options exist now besides just heroic scale, that's not actually going to happen. You'll just have to stick to your preferred truescale models and deal with it.
Just out of curiosity... how many of your 24000 posts are that gif?
Heh, nah, my biggest rise in spam meaningful and thought provoking posts ocured after I joined the DCM forums. You may know me from such amazing threads such as "40k art" or my sporadic contributions to that one thread, you know, the biggest one in the DCM forums.
I want to keep hope though, I want to believe. I like to think that positive thought and not the shameless, outright despicable negativity as displayed by the Twitter Weaners, will ultimate give our creative diva overlords the incentive they need to finally release something.
Seriously though, whenever they mention that miniscule details don't match up and need to be reworked, this comes to mind:
Although from what I've heard Palladium are well desrving of any criticism they receive.
fox-light713: Mate, we're not trying to bring you down, but if they do decide to put TGG aside in favour of another KS, I expect there will be righteous fury left and right.
If they do decide to finish TGG first, then you can expect those SoBs a few years after GW releases theirs, to omo imas. And from the money they raised with TGG and their decision to stick with restic and metal (which makes sense for heroines, less for multi-pose troops, again, to omo imas) I think you can forget HIPS for the time being.
We could, of course, be pleasantly surprised.
I think it boils down to them having been a boutique experience in the past and a disconnect between what "troops" means in their minds and a (wider than they suspect) segment of the population.
BrookM wrote: So far, this is the worst one I've personally been in.
I'm not sure I'd say it's the "worst" for me. In fact, I'm not sure I've had a bad KS experience yet. But it may happen.
This is definitely the best contender for "perfectionist syndrome" delaying communication about the project. Also, I think the build up to this KS was a bit overplayed, and most of the (my guess meaningful) legwork of sculpting the models was done after the funding period. Which is fine, but the 80% number thrown around so much during the pre-KS launch seems laughable at this point. I'd guess maybe 40% of the sculpting might have been done - dolls, weapons, faces were most likely there, but the actual details are probably what takes the longest amount of time. And they've told us many times they are always going back to old sculpts and touching them up.
RH may seem a bit high and mighty with their communication and update habits, but I'll forgive them that when the product arrives (which I hope will be the one redeeming thing from this KS - RH will have figured out how to get quality 3D models to market as miniatures faster than before - hopefully).
Agreed, experiences may vary from person to person when it comes down to the grand Kickstarter adventure.
So far only one project has been on schedule for me: Zombicide and I like to think I jumped off the CMoN bandwagon just before they took a massive gak on everybody with their many, many, many other KS projects.
I'm also waiting for Kingdom Death Monster to finally give us the promised goods, but feth it, we all know how I feel about that one, especially compared to how this is handled.
This is my first Kickstarter, so it's kind of my baseline. And since I get more communication, feedback, and interaction with RH than with any gaming company I've ever dealt with before, in any capacity, I put it in the 'positive' category.
EDIT: Although I was irked by a Kickstarter I chipped in on to help a friend, when they wouldn't let us just drive over and pick up the order, even though they were right down the block.
From the outside looking in, this is not a bad KickStarter. It's certainly not a good one, but there's a lot of room between those points. RH are moving beyond slowly, but you are getting tangible evidence of quality progress. The models look very nice, but it's somewhat obvious that "80% done" was a gross exaggeration of their progress at the time. You still don't have a pledge manager (meaning you're months away from starting fulfillment) but you will supposedly be able to see exactly what you're spending money on.
So, there's good and bad to be found, but it doesn't seem like they're stringing their backers along with over-inflated promises; they're just slow, and kind of jerks about it. I'd rate it as a slightly below average KS, but nothing horrific yet. Still time to go south of course.
Almost every campaign I've backed has had some issue or other that would be intolerable in a normal consumer interaction with a vendor. However, backing a KS requires a bit of faith in the company involved (see also: why Robotech Tactics didn't make the cut here) so if you're not willing to accept the hiccups you can always wait for retail.
Some of the Iron Empire girls will look quite nice unless DFG Black Widows upstage them somehow...
DFG won't upstage in the hutzpah department and *sheer cinematic* poses and *oodles of details that make your eyes bleed* but it'll be a functional kit, that will mesh well with the Eisenkern aesthetics, and will be made of HIPS. Not everyone's cup of tea, but I could drink a gallon. With a lump and a drop of milk, please.
We've been told the pledge manager was incoming soon. But again, are we going to pledge on renders for what isn't Wave 1? Are we going to be allowed to keep a portion unallocated for other waves? If they are only renders, are they again going to change before they finally release them? So many questions.
Mathieu Raymond wrote: DFG won't upstage in the hutzpah department and *sheer cinematic* poses and *oodles of details that make your eyes bleed* but it'll be a functional kit, that will mesh well with the Eisenkern aesthetics, and will be made of HIPS. Not everyone's cup of tea, but I could drink a gallon. With a lump and a drop of milk, please.
They don't make your eyes bleed thankfully, but don't underestimate the range of poses available with the Eisenkern! Pretty sure Mark has said that the Black Widows will be substantially or fully compatible with the stormtrooper range - basic kit, accessory kit, command kit and support weapons kits. That's going to give an amazing amount of customization. The dual SMG Eisenkern would fit well in the "dynamic" poses offered by Raging Heroes, as would the vaulting trooper render. You and I shall drink copious quantities of this tea together I imagine.
(I just wanted another opportunity to post Dr Mathias Cowboy Eisenkern.
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And my own test Dreadball model.
I'm happy I went in on RH still, and think I will mainly be getting RH troops, I won't be cashing out in the first wave. Poor communication and delays don't bother me anywhere near as much as low quality of models. Which is strange since I back Mantic pretty heavily ; p
Mantic gets away with it because of their Mongo Factor. Mantic seems to mean well, but... let's just say "Mantic pawn in game of life." You can't really be angry at Mantic so much as disappointed and a little embarrassed that you ever really expected so much.
RH are just arrogant bastards.
Oh, and for "gamers" who "use their models" DFG Black Widows will be superior to RH's Toughest Gals in every conceivable metric*.
*Except for affordability, where DFG's models will be more akin to advanced energy beings who make the TGG fight against Ninja Division Battloids on some hellish arena world.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: Mantic gets away with it because of their Mongo Factor. Mantic seems to mean well, but... let's just say "Mantic pawn in game of life." You can't really be angry at Mantic so much as disappointed and a little embarrassed that you ever really expected so much.
RH are just arrogant bastards.
Oh, and for "gamers" who "use their models" DFG Black Widows will be superior to RH's Toughest Gals in every conceivable metric*.
*Except for affordability, where DFG's models will be more akin to advanced energy beings who make the TGG fight against Ninja Division Battloids on some hellish arena world.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: Except for affordability, where DFG's models will be more akin to advanced energy beings who make the TGG fight against Ninja Division Battloids on some hellish arena world.
I wish my I'd wagered 300 quatloos on the newcomer instead of Robotech Tactics. We'll probably receive our battloids sometime after the next Codex: Squats. (But before Sisters of Battle.)
And I suppose Mantic might be a bit more like Lenny from Of Mice and Men now that I think about it.
Not that I've been in a worse kickstarter, but as long as they deliver I'll still say it was a win. Perhaps because I never read the whole 80% done thing.
TheDungen wrote: I'm sorry but the fact that GW still use heroic proportions is no longer a viable reason to keep using heroic proportions. The industry is moving away from that and in time even gw will have to change with the times.
Uh.. yeah. While it's certainly good that more options exist now besides just heroic scale, that's not actually going to happen. You'll just have to stick to your preferred truescale models and deal with it.
Why? GW is constantly updating parts of their range, at some point they'll say "Hey wouldn't it be awesome if marines were really bigger than guardsmen?" and then they'll be redoing the range anyway. I'm surprised they didn't slightly increase their size when they recut the tactical a few months back.
Azazelx wrote: Point. The "Marine" range covers about 100+ kits with interchangeable parts, counting chaos but not counting Forge World.
And you don't think that a business with GW's current ethos wouldn't salivate at the idea of making huge swathes of their customers' product obsolete so they can be sold new product? I don't think it's particularly likely, but it's hardly IMPOSSIBRU! or anything. I doubt, despite what GW would no doubt think, everyone would rush out and buy a whole new army on the spot, but this sort of thing has happened a couple of times before remember - RT to 2nd Edition plastics, then 2nd to 3rd plastics. Now you can argue that people moving their collections over to the new "standard" was as much to do with advances in the aesthetics and technical quality of the kits as much as the size changes, you could argue that easily, but there's no reason to assume that transitioning over to a new scale couldn't come with additional benefits that would drive uptake. A few folk would rush out and gorge themselves on the new-shiny, the vast majority would slowly replace their existing models over time or start new armies with the new models, and a minority of some indeterminate size(likely shrinking over time) would just keep using the models they have for whatever reason.
If I ever win EuroMillions(unlikely as I don't gamble) or find I have a dead stupendously wealthy long-lost relative that leaves me a fortune, buying out GW and moving them over to slide-core-tooled Forgeworld-style 32mm almost-truescale for their whole range would be one of my top goals, not for money but because GW have gotten out of hand with heroic scale IMO. As long as you account for the scale transition by maintaining the existing "if it's GW, you can use it" policy on models, maybe go back to/include an optional non-TLoS system in the rules so old Marines vs New wouldn't cause issues, I don't think it would be problematic.
Anyways, back on topic; I'm not as generous as -iPaint-, I won't be buying from RH again, Kickstarter or retail, unless they pull off a Mierce-level turnaround in terms of their attitude, competence, and reliability. Their stuff is every bit as "boutique" and high quality as RH, yet they manage a consistent pattern of updates, most of their stuff is completed and shipped out on schedule, and they don't treat big chunks of their backers with contempt. When you consider the issues surrounding the company not so long ago, they deserve a lot of credit, and RH would do well to learn from their example. Not that they will of course, I don't think I've met a single "artiste" with the up-their-own-backside attitude problem RH suffers from that's ever developed any self-awareness or humility.
No, that's pretty unpossible at this stage - there's just too much invested in the current sets being cross-compatible. Even within that, they continue to update (as with the Tac Marines) and add infinite variation. There are just too many kits to do for far too small a return.
2nd edition plastics? You mean metal figures with plastic arms, or the monopose starter box models? Because those are your only 2nd ed options there.
I'll have to withhold judgement on RH vs Mierce for now. Mierce seem to have better communication, excepting when Rob Lane is let off his leash. But until RH disappear while ripping off hundreds of customers to reemerge as an "unrelated" miniatures company while attempting to claim the moral high ground, I'll side with RH.
2nd edition plastics? You mean metal figures with plastic arms, or the monopose starter box models? Because those are your only 2nd ed options there.
Sorry, but there were other plastic space marines in 2nd edition. There was the box of 6 (I think) with separate legs and torsos. The joins were flat, not like the current ball and socket.
They were okayish. But at the time I thought they were great. Had a couple of boxes, then just added the metal special/heavy weapon marine and sergeant blisters.
Azazelx wrote: No, that's pretty unpossible at this stage - there's just too much invested in the current sets being cross-compatible. Even within that, they continue to update (as with the Tac Marines) and add infinite variation. There are just too many kits to do for far too small a return.
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It isn't clear to me what sort of cross compatibility problems you are referring to. Most of the marine sets simply need to have their limbs and torsos lengthened by a few mm to be scaled pretty well. The shoulders, weapons, etc don't need to be altered.
Especially considering how they bulked up terminators and the like, there has historically not been much worry about making newer terminators dwarf little mini Logan etc.
Similarly, changing the scale on IG to make them proportioned differently is not a lot of work if you are recutting things anyway. Look at the difference between Catachans and... well any other IG model.
Now, I am all for backwards compatibility and being able to swap between kits, but it isn't as though that is an iron law of production, or even one GW works hard at. And sooner or later any company that wants to change their look with new models has to take the plunge.
I wouldn't feel dirty defending RH, They are a little Arrogant but often I feel they do produce a superior product, the only problem I've ever had was the resin flag from there slave set, it was sticky like it had not set. They do tend to ignore critics though.
Now all in all ill back the Sisters KS but probably only enough to get the exclusive figure if there is one if not just enough for a box of troops and character.
BrookM wrote: So far, this is the worst one I've personally been in.
I'd put Robotech down as worse. Cthulhu Wars is almost as bad. (I think at least half of the updates since the campaign ended have been pimping other projects). I'd also put Sedition Wars down as worse. This one is a circus run by monkeys, but I still trust that the eventual figures will be excellent.
Sorry, but there were other plastic space marines in 2nd edition. There was the box of 6 (I think) with separate legs and torsos. The joins were flat, not like the current ball and socket.
Oh, you're right. I remember those now. I have some somewhere. They were kind of the prototypes of the current marines, and more akin to the biker marines (kind of the sister kit in many ways). Heads were part of the torso as well. They were kind of a prototype for the figures they moved to in 3rd ed.
Azazelx wrote: No, that's pretty unpossible at this stage - there's just too much invested in the current sets being cross-compatible. Even within that, they continue to update (as with the Tac Marines) and add infinite variation. There are just too many kits to do for far too small a return.
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It isn't clear to me what sort of cross compatibility problems you are referring to. Most of the marine sets simply need to have their limbs and torsos lengthened by a few mm to be scaled pretty well. The shoulders, weapons, etc don't need to be altered.
Especially considering how they bulked up terminators and the like, there has historically not been much worry about making newer terminators dwarf little mini Logan etc.
Similarly, changing the scale on IG to make them proportioned differently is not a lot of work if you are recutting things anyway. Look at the difference between Catachans and... well any other IG model.
Now, I am all for backwards compatibility and being able to swap between kits, but it isn't as though that is an iron law of production, or even one GW works hard at. And sooner or later any company that wants to change their look with new models has to take the plunge.
The cross compatibility problems are essentially changing the arms and torsos on every marine kit, then retooling the moulds of every marine kit. Then add Chaos Marines and Forge World. It's just not going to happen, and suggesting that it might or "should" is simply foolish. May as well ask for 3-packs of Rhino kits for $30 again. Oh, to suggest that GW doesn't work hard at their marine kits being cross-compatible is a comment that's so ridiculous as to be an utter shock from someone like yourself who surely should know better.
Now on the topic of GW remaking their marine kits into truescale - I'm pretty much done with that discussion. You and others are welcome to continue to dream, but its not going to happen, and so in my opinion is a bit of a waste of time to discuss. And I should probably point out that I'm a person who has bought truescale conversion kits from CH, so I don't hate the idea of TS marines or anything - I just don't ever see it happening.
Catachans on the other hand were a relatively early (2nd ed era) plastic infantry kit, and were a disappointment even at the time. If they were redone today it wouldn't effect much else, the figures would be more proportionate and they would no doubt look a bucketload better. They'd be better off introducing a new kit alongside the Cadians while keeping the existing ones, given how ubiquitous the current ones are.
Also, I strongly doubt that GW gives one iota of a feth about truescale. We all know that despite their falling profits, the reason for that is primarily price and not heroic vs truescale. Even their LotR range has always been edging towards heroic rather than true whenever they get the chance. Forge World's elysians and dkok supply us with their truescale IG option.
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BrookM wrote: A hilarious thought just hit me: these people are also planning on creating a wargaming system of their own.
Nothing unusual there. Every one-man shop and small-time mini producer is planning on creating a wargaming system of their own. From RH to Mierce to RBG to Anvil to AoW to DFG to god knows how many others. Doesn't mean it will happen or be any good or indeed be anything to worry about. It's part and parcel of the industry. Some will get off the ground, and most of those will fade away quickly enough. It just seems to be the Poles that are happy to make counts-as figures and conversion bits without dreams of grandeur.
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I'd put Robotech down as worse. Cthulhu Wars is almost as bad. (I think at least half of the updates since the campaign ended have been pimping other projects). I'd also put Sedition Wars down as worse. This one is a circus run by monkeys, but I still trust that the eventual figures will be excellent.
Off-topic, I had forgotten about CW until I read this haha. I poked around a bit and it looks like its finally heading into production, the game looks gorgeous at least
I just did back of the enveloppe calculations this morning, for the fun of it. Being very generous, let's assume they have the same numbers of minis in each wave, and that each wave after the first one gets sent every 3 months. With about 23 minis per wave, a total of 250 minis, that's nine more waves, and that brings us to 27 months after the first wave. Clearly into 2016.
On the plus side, we don't actually have to wait for the last wave to bail out. As soon as the infantry are sent out, they can do whatever the hell they like.
AlexHolker wrote: On the plus side, we don't actually have to wait for the last wave to bail out. As soon as the infantry are sent out, they can do whatever the hell they like.
AlexHolker wrote: On the plus side, we don't actually have to wait for the last wave to bail out. As soon as the infantry are sent out, they can do whatever the hell they like.
That is a good point - and probably the wisest course of action if MR's timeline is even close to being accurate!
Jimsolo wrote: I thought they had already said it was going to be three waves. Have I just been assuming that the entire time, or is that based on something?
You're basing this on what they said. Mathieu is basing his on what they did - in particular, the small size of the first wave.
In all fairness, I think it might very well be somewhere in the middle. I like how From Alpharius to the Dakka abbr. system, I've been renamed Maugan Ra.
Well, they said 3 or 4 waves. Though there's nothing stopping them having a couple of sub waves in there.
So this would be wave 1.1 and then in another four or five months we'd get wave 1.2 with some more heroines in it. Wave 2, with the troops, would keep being pushed back until late 2015 at the earliest.
Yeah, I can't see that happening, to be honest. As soon as they start totalling up the postage and packaging for Wave 1, I'll be astonished if you actually end up with 3 waves, nevermind 4.
I wouldn't like to guess how much shipping would cost for close to 2700 packages in more than three waves. Assuming most decide to go for multiple waves of shipping.
I know I wouldn't want to see people purchasing minis before I got them over a year in advance.
I think that's what's going to happen though. I only intend to pay shipping once, so I can see me having to wait a few waves before everything I want (plus the freebies I'm due) are ready.
I'm fully expecting some of this to be on general release in their web store long before I get my stuff.
Haha, I just saw Alan's post and thought to myself "well, at least if I don't decide to cash-out in Wave 1, there's a Dropship in my town", and then it occurred to me - I spoke to the Dropship when they first released the list, they were a small outfit, it's been so long now with all the delays that for all I know, they're not even in business anymore.
There's a dropship 40 or 50 miles away from me, I think, in edinburgh. But I don't know the place and I've never been, so not sure whether to make use of it. I don't get through to edinburgh often.
<---Is kinda jealous that some people can throw about sentences like "oh just 50 miles from Edinburgh."
My local dropship has been severely reducing GW's share of the store, in favour of Dust and MtG. The whole wall that was full of Reaper minis is down to just a few boxes on a shelf. I'm of a mind that they don't particularly want to be a drophip anymore, but French solidarity kinda forces them to remain one.
There's so much wrong with the whole thing. But I really shouldn't have brought it up here. This issue is taking up so much of my time, energy, patience and heart (yes, more than 80%). I really like that Dakka is politics free. This site is an escape from it, for me.
You have no idea how hard I'm restraining myself by not going after those comments...
I'll have to satisfy myself with a quick avatar change.
EDIT: Oh, and migooo, I'll happily explain the technical issues around the franchise for the referendum as I understand them, if you like. Purely because I think it's important that Scots not living here at present don't feel insulted by the process; no attempts at conversion, I promise Shoot me a PM if you're interested.
Just wanted to say that I really hope you will receive your miniatures while you still have interests in gaming.
But it was really hard to restrain myself to pledge also because we have to give them credit for amazing concepts and pretty good execution of them.
I am following this thread because of company and also because it is really optimistic and intelligently humor despite grave news every month or two.
dubovac wrote: Just wanted to say that I really hope you will receive your miniatures while you still have interests in gaming.
But it was really hard to restrain myself to pledge also because we have to give them credit for amazing concepts and pretty good execution of them.
I am following this thread because of company and also because it is really optimistic and intelligently humor despite grave news every month or two.
Finally, someone gets it! We are doing intelligent humour!
Thanks mate, you cheered me up! Keep on keeping on with the rest of us.
Well, while everyone is raging on RH, I'd thought I'd list some of my outstanding Kickstarters to put things into perspective.
11/23/12 - Kingdom Death: Monster (Poots) 11/29/12 - Through the Breach (Wyrd) 4/13/13 - Tablescapes (Secret Weapon Miniatures) 5/11/13 - Deadzone (Mantic) 6/02/13 - Toughest Girls of the Galaxy (Raging Heroes) 8/27/13 - Wrath of Kings (CMoN)
Now it is true that some of them have delivered at least part of their product. Wyrd has put out some .pdf books and SWM has shipped some of their tiles. Not sure about the others, but the point is that none of these guys have shipped the stuff I've selected (I don't count Wyrd's .pdfs as fulfilling anything). There are two I'm being lenient on, SWM because I ordered tiles that were being developed last and Poots because... well, Poots. Given this context, RH isn't at a point where I'm willing to be worried about them despite the sizeable amount of money I sent them.
Breotan wrote: Well, while everyone is raging on RH, I'd thought I'd list some of my outstanding Kickstarters to put things into perspective.
11/23/12 - Kingdom Death: Monster (Poots)
11/29/12 - Through the Breach (Wyrd)
4/13/13 - Tablescapes (Secret Weapon Miniatures)
5/11/13 - Deadzone (Mantic)
6/02/13 - Toughest Girls of the Galaxy (Raging Heroes)
8/27/13 - Wrath of Kings (CMoN)
Now it is true that some of them have delivered at least part of their product. Wyrd has put out some .pdf books and SWM has shipped some of their tiles. Not sure about the others, but the point is that none of these guys have shipped the stuff I've selected (I don't count Wyrd's .pdfs as fulfilling anything). There are two I'm being lenient on, SWM because I ordered tiles that were being developed last and Poots because... well, Poots. Given this context, RH isn't at a point where I'm willing to be worried about them despite the sizeable amount of money I sent them.
Oh I forgotten about TTB where's my book Wyrd!
Oh I understand the reasons. Guy I know is canadian and he gets to vote in our and the Canadian elections. You want democracy fine but don't do it halfheartedly It doesn't help that the current First ministeris the biggest idiot who throws the anti Scottish card far too much. I turn up at your radio station uninvited and you dont want to Interview me you must be racist...
Back on topic. There is a drop ship store a train ride away. Though the guy is a GW former Manager who ran two Midlands stores into being busy, too empty one man stores in months.
The question is if I choose to split will I have to pay shipping again?
Sorry, I can't remember gak with this one, plus whenever they put something up that I haven't seen in a while I automatically assume that they've done something!
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Not content with recylcing art from the KS campaign, they are now plundering the depths of their own catalog. Even Lapin-Blanc, on the KS comments, has begun to waver in a shamefully negative sort of way, and he was a very level-headed guy.
At this point, I was honestly wondering if I had hallucinated the idea that there was a guy hired for communications. Nope, wasn't my imagination;
Loud'n Raging wrote:In fact, we had planned to touch base with you yesterday and give you some news of what's going on right now at Raging Heroes. But we got caught into the preparation of the Webinars (the first 2 sessions were moved from last week-end to this one because of Internet issues), and so the Update got side-tracked. However, we have a big Update planned for next week with new sculpts so once again, a lot of new images.
As you know, we also have a new member in the team who works exclusively on communications, but he's still getting his feet wet as there is so much information to absorb and so much stuff to set up. On top of that, so early in the game, we all prefer to make sure that his communications are Ok'd by the team, and as mentioned before, the team is pretty busy. But this is already evolving.
He will soon be posting tidbits and snapshots of what's happening here every day.
What it was, was November.
Presumably we should send flowers, because the most obvious explanation is that this guy is dead.
At this point, I was honestly wondering if I had hallucinated the idea that there was a guy hired for communications. Nope, wasn't my imagination;
Loud'n Raging wrote:In fact, we had planned to touch base with you yesterday and give you some news of what's going on right now at Raging Heroes. But we got caught into the preparation of the Webinars (the first 2 sessions were moved from last week-end to this one because of Internet issues), and so the Update got side-tracked. However, we have a big Update planned for next week with new sculpts so once again, a lot of new images.
As you know, we also have a new member in the team who works exclusively on communications, but he's still getting his feet wet as there is so much information to absorb and so much stuff to set up. On top of that, so early in the game, we all prefer to make sure that his communications are Ok'd by the team, and as mentioned before, the team is pretty busy. But this is already evolving.
He will soon be posting tidbits and snapshots of what's happening here every day.
What it was, was November.
Presumably we should send flowers, because the most obvious explanation is that this guy is dead.
Wow, I hadn't even thought of that. That... that's pretty amazing. I mean, they have to have fired him and just didn't tell anyone, right? Or he really did die. The only other answer would seem to be that he is sitting at home getting high and watching Adventure Time while sending periodic emails into work to update his boss about how well the communication is going.
Wehrkind wrote: Wow, I hadn't even thought of that. That... that's pretty amazing. I mean, they have to have fired him and just didn't tell anyone, right? Or he really did die. The only other answer would seem to be that he is sitting at home getting high and watching Adventure Time while sending periodic emails into work to update his boss about how well the communication is going.
Those thoughts occurred to me, as well as the possibility that "the brass" requires final approval over all his communications, and has been keeping a tight muzzle on him. In the face of that opposition, he may or may not have become disillusioned and either stopped trying or quit.
the KS updates are sacred ground that only the great artists can touch, and they are busy creating (or something)
Not sure if that qualifies as being kept busy though.. It's not exactly "new" news that's being shared so sporadically, but rather reminders of what has already been shared some time ago.
Probably only after they noticed the cobwebs forming over his corpse in his tiny, forgotten cubicle.
Thing happens in corporate here and again. Guy dies at his desk, no one notices till the next Monday or something. Or till he starts to smell, though from what I have been told of the French.... and gamers....
Mathieu Raymond wrote: Maybe if the raging fanbois turn on them and increase the pressure, they might send us Wave 1 before the kickstarter hits 1 year old.
Well, I held out hope right up to the very end that I would wake up this morning to find that they had sent out the official pledge manager order form while I slumbered. But alas...
I think we shouldn't expect an update before the end of next week.
Their last update mentionned 2 1/2 weeks to get the spincast resin and 2 more weeks to get the metal casts in. I'm really wondering though how they were able to project casting needs without having a pledge manager up. I'm guessing they can always push all of the extra heroines to market, but what if they haven't cast enough, say?
Anyway, yeah, it would be useless to give us another update until they have their stock, especially since they'd be saying "oh look, more stuff you won't get for another 6 months."
Is there any chance of them running out of money before they have fulfilled the ks pledges and before they've been able to cast a sizeable stock for general release?
They've employed a few new people, we have to assume they're all still alive and getting paid. While $700000 is quite a sum, it can't last forever. And really, I suppose that money requires paying back by way of pledge fulfillment.
Well, they did artificially inflate several pledge levels stretch goals because we were going through them so fast, so I'm sure they got money aplenty.
Kinda hoping, that if they keep postponing gak because of more models being crammed into the first wave, that Wolfenstein will also be a part of the first one.
Well, good news. For me, at least. My co-pledger decided to increase his pledge, and thus buy me out of this kickstarter. I'll still get a few heroines, but that's it.
Wehrkind wrote: Wow, I hadn't even thought of that. That... that's pretty amazing. I mean, they have to have fired him and just didn't tell anyone, right? Or he really did die. The only other answer would seem to be that he is sitting at home getting high and watching Adventure Time while sending periodic emails into work to update his boss about how well the communication is going.
Those thoughts occurred to me, as well as the possibility that "the brass" requires final approval over all his communications, and has been keeping a tight muzzle on him. In the face of that opposition, he may or may not have become disillusioned and either stopped trying or quit.
I actually just found out about their comms guy. Apparently his name is Floyd, and this is some footage of him at work.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, congrats on pulling your pledge this late in the game, Mathieu. I tip my hat to you!
Are you worried about fulfillment, or just bored of the wait?
At first I was hankering for an alternate source for an Adepta Sororitas detachment. Nothing too crazy, just a big blob of girls and priests for all that re-roll goodness. But, yeah, that codex turns me off a bit by its limited use. SO I was actually becoming more and more lukewarm about it, but then I thought "hey, might as well grab some girls for Stormtroopers."
But then I started hitching extra boxes of Eisenkerns on other peoples' orders... and I found a sweet deal on support weapon boxes. Basically, I have Eisenkern, I know I will get Black Widows soon, which will be a joy to work with in plastic. I'll still get a few heroines and 5 or 10 Iron Empire minis out of this.
I guess I might have gotten fed up with the quality and quantity of communication, as well as the snail's pace of production. I realized I like working with DFG's plastics more than an unknown quality of restic.
I also don't want to take on another project that won't go anywhere. I'm selling off my Dark Angels, I'm trying to finish my IG/AdMil, I'm not going to play their game. I have enough of a hard time trying to get my friends into something other than 40K, so this is clearly out of the question.
Sorry you're getting out. I still have high hopes, but I can definitely see someone getting disillusioned. Especially if you are satisfied with the Eisenkern line. (Personally, I absolutely LOATHE the look of the Eisenkern, but that's a personal preference rather than a statement of quality in that product line.) I STILL can't find bupkis about the Black Widows (other than, I think, a single model I saw for a ridiculous amount of money).
The single model was free for kickstarter backers, and 4$ to add more to your pledge. I saw it go for a lot more on eBay though, so you might be right about that. And frankly it is a monopose mini, so not worth *that* much, aside from the cool factor.
The Black Widows are being kept for last, because they are still going back and forth over the sprue layout and engineering of the moulds. He wants to really have them nailed before he shows us the awesomeness.
I still think the quality in the sculpts(for Raginshiroz) will be there, when they deliver. I don't think I want an army of restic, though. Not anymore.
And talk about a missed opportunity. Sure, you have exposed cleavage in Tactical Dreadnought Armor, but where are the pigeon toes? Might as well just be a dude.
Automatically Appended Next Post: This is Ada, the prototype for the Dreamforge Black Widows.
You could probably Sister them up with some knightly helmets or some Victoria minis heads.
If you mean raging as in fabulous, then yes, you're the queens of rage.
It was time I let go, honestly. He offered this to me and at first I said no, then I thought for a few days about the campaign and what I was really going to get out of it. I'm not in the habit of making empty statements, either. I know ultimately I am a small, small drop in the 700K bucket, but if they bleed enough customers, maybe they'll at least be humble about their process.
Eh, from what I understand the guys who ran Rackham into the ground still insist they made perfect decisions every step of the way. I wouldn't hold out hope.
You will always hold a shamefully negative space in my heart.
Wehrkind wrote: Eh, from what I understand the guys who ran Rackham into the ground still insist they made perfect decisions every step of the way. I wouldn't hold out hope.
You will always hold a shamefully negative space in my heart.
I always wanted that snake guy holding the umbrella. And I did hear rumours of a KS to bring back the range though it was about 2 years ago. The guys who ran it basically tried to bite of more than they could chew.
I might have said umbrella snake in a box somewhere... let me check with my wife, she manages my collection for the most part.
I know I am a little peeved with CMoN with how they handled their re-release of the Rackham stuff. I don't know why they decided to do it as limited runs of very, VERY expensive models, and then stopped half way after releasing sort of questionable choices. I am sure there was a half decent reason, but man... I am used to buying originals at the "OMG RARE AND OOP!" ebay rates, and even I blanched at the prices they were charging.
You, young sir, have rock-hard cojones to even think of that possibility.
If I were you, I'd try to find some sort of half-track from WW2, muck it up, add some plating, and use that. There is a scrappy vibe to the jailbirds that the Taurox does not give off. I think Italeri had some 1/48 stuff a while back.
Italeri sucks. I have their not-Opel Blitz in 1:48 scale and the kit doesn't go together well, plus the rubber tires all tore over time for some weird reason.
But you are a traitor, just when things were getting more and more exciting, you decide to bail out. When we get our model(s) and you sit there whimpering, your look one of regret, the agony of your poor choice, it will be to us, shall we say, delicious?
It would need significant moding to fix it add wheels remove the back to be a half top. Oh and fix those bull bars. It all so needs an appropriate outrageous Tank Girl paint scheme. That or 2Wykcked or the Chevrolet from Kill Bill.
Well, at least to go with the absence of the suction cup, there's also finally an acknowledgement of what these models actually look like #kidwarrior?...... or #childsoldier?
Oh, yay! Are we putting the discussion on how little communication there is on hold so we can re-do the child soldier argument? Sweet! We should get a top ten greatest hits of the TGG thread.
We've been putting a lot of work in The Pledge Manager, and it's nearly done! To give you more details on what we're doing, here's a copy of a conversation I had a few hours ago with another backer :
Donald Li:
Hello! Whens the ETA on the pledge manager?
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Asharah Raging
Worked on it all last week and this week-end.
It's the first one I make, and I need to combine the Paypal and Kickstarter pledges, and automate everything as much as possible to avoid errors, so it's hard to say exactly when I'll be done. I'm hoping for the end of this week, but it could take a few more days, if get stuck in too many deadends...
Also, we'd really like to include the latest renders which we haven't shared yet (Wereshewolves, new snipers, etc.).
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Donald Li:
Darn, sounds like a huge chore.
I thought KS had a pledge manager but I suppose you have to add the paypal ones too
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Asharah Raging:
ahhh no... Kickstarter most assuredly does not have a Pledge Manager. Not even something remotely close or practical to use. Just a csv file per pledge level to download. That's it
but no worries, I think the one we're creating is going to be fun to work with for the backers...
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Donald Li:
I hope you have an option to add even more stuff
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Asharah Raging:
Absolutely!
Jimsolo wrote: Oh, yay! Are we putting the discussion on how little communication there is on hold so we can re-do the child soldier argument? Sweet! We should get a top ten greatest hits of the TGG thread.
Would it help if I asked why the under-age killing machine's toes are pointed away from each other?
Also, where are the injuries and drug injection scars? Are we just supposed to paint that stuff on?
Well, we still don't know if things will be locked in straight away. It could be a variation of their online shop with credit and a special section for kickstarter backers. At least, that'd be the sensible thing to do, it just isn't 100% clear on the angled photo of the monitor. If only there was a way to take a snapshot of your screen directly...
Jimsolo wrote: Oh, yay! Are we putting the discussion on how little communication there is on hold so we can re-do the child soldier argument? Sweet! We should get a top ten greatest hits of the TGG thread.
I've already said my piece, and anyway, we all know anything/everything that RH says is clownshoes.
Ahem...so no updates up to now? That is since the last one at the start of March? They really love (=despise) us!
And now I read that the incredible/fabulous pledgemanager - the one which they would only put up with worthless real miniatures - will consist of incedibly unreal sexy renders? Ah...here they treat us deliciously well! Just can't do without noticing that bad taste in my mouth!
I've been curious about these minis but haven't really paid much attention because I'm distrustful of kickstarters. I saw on their non-ks web page and they had a handful of minis for sale, but none of the super-cool ones that I wanted.
What's going on with this Raging Heroes thing? Will we see more for sale or is it going to be a perpetual kick starter because it's been going on for what, well over a year at least? How much KS money do they need to start a proper business?
MWHistorian wrote: I've been curious about these minis but haven't really paid much attention because I'm distrustful of kickstarters. I saw on their non-ks web page and they had a handful of minis for sale, but none of the super-cool ones that I wanted.
What's going on with this Raging Heroes thing? Will we see more for sale or is it going to be a perpetual kick starter because it's been going on for what, well over a year at least? How much KS money do they need to start a proper business?
As an outsider to this, I'm curious but confused.
Every miniature related Kickstarter I'm aware of has taken a considerable amount of time between Kickstarter funding and the delivery of completed product.
From what I've heard, Raging Heroes has a history both of being late as well as producing awesome miniatures. Their quality to price ratio (especially at Kickstarter prices) is much better than Games Workshop's, which is why I got into it.
They have said that after the Kickstarter is over, the TGG models (the ones from the campaign) will be made available to the general public from their online store. I for one appreciate them waiting, since it would be a little disheartening to have to wait for all the production to finish in order to get my models while people who didn't saddle any of the risk of the Kickstarter were able to order the same minis and get theirs before me!
If it's any consolation, I too am very distrustful of Kickstarters. This was the first one I actually backed.
From FB:
Are we going to see pictures of the actual minis in the pledge manager or just renders?
Asharah Raging
We are going to put in the Pledge Manager everything that we have available:
- concept if the sculpt has not been approved
- 3D renders if the sculpt has not been 3D printed (or if the 3D print has not been validated)
- photo of the orange 3D print (the master) if we've received it and validated it
- photos of the spin-cast resin minis when we have them (and they are validated)
- we'll include photos of metal casts whenever possible, although metal casts are really hard to photograph well when they're unpainted.
Of course, the image that you see here is a sneak preview, that is, a work-in-progress, which is why you only see renders and concepts.
So 80% of the minis will not be on the pledge manager, basically? Delicious, to say the least.
Automatically Appended Next Post: A nit to pick.
They mentionned in their thank you update that they had been the most successful minis-only Kickstarter "in the history of evah"... what did Reaper Bones do exactly to be dismissed so easily? I know the second one was after, so I understand that.
These melon-fethers are not successful. Not by a long shot. They can start jerking off when every single one of their backers has minis in hand, not before.
Wow, the hate here... its impressive. Found this thread when the company made thsi comment about updates "There are quite a few reasons as to why it doesn't happen, and even more as to why it doesn't happen on Dakka" and i had to come see what was up. anyone care to bullet point whats the problem? i cant get the jist with the epic snark for 60 pages.
It really isn't hate (check the Robotech one for that)
It's a mix of confusion (why is it taking so long), joy (oh the minis are so pretty when we eventually see them), discomfort (we pretty much all knew it was going to be like this when we backed) resignation (well we will get the minis eventually)
Actually, Jin has the toes of actual pigeons. It is both horrifying, and oddly sexy. Like he is the badly translated concept art for all Asian pigeon toe porn.
monkeyhead wrote: Wow, the hate here... its impressive. Found this thread when the company made thsi comment about updates "There are quite a few reasons as to why it doesn't happen, and even more as to why it doesn't happen on Dakka" and i had to come see what was up. anyone care to bullet point whats the problem? i cant get the jist with the epic snark for 60 pages.
I doubt it's really hate in here; if you want to see hate you need to hop over to the Robotech thread where there's organized movements of people trying to obtain refunds as opposed to one person deciding he didn't want to bother and having his co-backer buy him out and a stream of gifs liberated from RH's own feed.
What goes on here is frustration, and a general consensus that it's better to laugh than to cry so the crowds resort to snark while waiting for their models. Really, if RH would stop working on providing so much excellent fodder for snark and instead focus on delivering models, things would be much cheerier around here. Alas, such is the plight of the artist that actually doing what you said you were is just...well it's just too much. If RH's track record with making then keeping commitments is anything to base this on anyway.
I'm sure when people get their models at some indeterminate point in the future people will be happy. However, I think it's safe to say that RH has cost themselves more than a couple backers for any future KS projects with their antics on this one.
Yes. What is nice is that I just noticed I was kicked off of Raging Heroes's facebook "friends list." If that is how they thank a backer, they can go screw themselves.
Mathieu Raymond wrote: Yes. What is nice is that I just noticed I was kicked off of Raging Heroes's facebook "friends list." If that is how they thank a backer, they can go screw themselves.
I thought you weren't a backer anymore, though. The point could be made that they were doing you a favor, by recognizing your bowing out of the Kickstarter and removing you from their friends list so that your Facebook page isn't cluttered up by all those announcements for a line you aren't interested in anymore.
Seriously, though, that seems...odd, to say the least.
Jimsolo wrote: Seriously, though, that seems...odd, to say the least.
Jim, I think you just summarized the entire RH KS from concept to today better than anyone who read all 187 pages could do. The false starts, the clunky handling of stretches, the random communication blackouts, the backtracking of how far along they were, the missed deadlines they put on themselves, the mystery of their communication's guy fate, their overall attitude towards the backers...all of it wrapped up in that neat little sentence.
It's hard to dethrone "delicious" as the company's Dakka tagline (a la "Mantic. Almost..."), but that's one in a similar vein while delicious could actually be positive to the uninformed.
"Raging Heroes. That seems odd, to say the least."
Yeah, Jimsolo, Good one. Until I saw the winky, I thought you were serious. It's still my credit card that gave them money, after all.
For frak's sake, even Defiance hasn't unfriended me, and I've been *a lot* more vocal on their page. Never thought I'd curveball praise Defiance one day...
Mathieu Raymond wrote: Yes. What is nice is that I just noticed I was kicked off of Raging Heroes's facebook "friends list." If that is how they thank a backer, they can go screw themselves.
I suppose that's what we get for, in the interests of honesty, integrity and accountability, attempting to oppose the prevalence of ambiguity of identity in online forums.
We should make t-shirts with a big scarlet D in the middle of the chest. The best part is we could supply a litany of appropriate answers to what that D signifies.
So, has the new IG codex changed what anyone is thinking about getting? I might change up some of my order, especially given the dramatic reduction in special characters available.
Jimsolo wrote: So, has the new IG codex changed what anyone is thinking about getting? I might change up some of my order, especially given the dramatic reduction in special characters available.
Not really for me. I was always planning Iron Empire mech vet, which is still gonna happen. The heroines were just going to be various sergeants, advisors and a commisar, who are all still there. I considered wolfenstein as a potential marbo, but wasn't terrbly desperate to have him in my army.
The tank commander model will definitely see some use now though. Wasn't too bothered before. I generally like my tanks buttoned up tight.
No changes here. My ladies are strong and awesome in their own right... and the way things are going I'm going to pull out my custom veterans and special characters and sell my Guard. Leaving me with my 11 girl Victoria squad, my TGG and and a mix of stuff I converted myself.
Another game that features Sci-Fi female infantry will come around, hell RH will put a game out eventually. With any luck it'll be...
...delicious
and at the pace they work it's not like you have to worry about a new edition fething you over.
No, but similarly they'll give us a photo of the cover and talk about how they didn't like the wording on one page redid it. Which then allowed them to go back and redo the previous 1000 pages with their new and improved writing style.
Not to mention the non- linear turn flow so you fight melee before moving.
After we were talking about it the other day, I (re)liked their page. You know, so I get made aware when they repost pics from months ago.
I just went back on there, and appears as if I didn't. The button says "like" not "liked".
Are they really kicking me off their list? Can they remove people that've liked their page? Or is it just (another) Facebook fart?
I swear this'll be about the fifth or sixth time that I've liked their page.
Automatically Appended Next Post: And speaking of Facebook, maybe Mathieu could have a look at their replies to a post today, and give us the gist of any useful information they may have contained?
The page isn't like a Facebook group though, where you have to ask to join and someone has to add you.. It's just a normal page. There's nothing stopping me "liking" it again. It's just weird that it seems to keep unliking itself.
All I can see on their main page was a guy asking about buying Blondie. He doesn't speak much English and doesn't understand the principle behind KS. Which is its own sad story. Anyhoo, RH responded by saying Blondie was financed by the community and will be "very soon" available on their online store. Backers will receive their minis before the public (that is, if you pay for wave shipping, I assume)
The farcical point in the whole exchange is that they say that "exclusively and for a very limited time" they have a Paypal option. So who knows how much money they have siphoned out of us since the end of the campaign that way.
But apparently the pledge manager will be available shortly.
An older post mentions (gah!) that they actually destroyed a whole production because they didn't quite like it enough. SO they had to redo everything. "We've redone many of the sculpts several times over."
On a side note, relating to the facebook unliking pages situation, that would probably to do with the much despised facebook policy that came into effect a little while ago without any announcement or advertising.
Basically from my understanding if you don't like/comment on a page every week or so it'll stop showing up in your feed, if you don't for a month or so, Facebook will unlike the page for you.
I have relatives that have business stuff over there and they are pretty up in arms about it.
Mathieu Raymond wrote: An older post mentions (gah!) that they actually destroyed a whole production because they didn't quite like it enough. SO they had to redo everything. "We've redone many of the sculpts several times over."
Jimsolo wrote: So, has the new IG codex changed what anyone is thinking about getting? I might change up some of my order, especially given the dramatic reduction in special characters available.
Just been through and reworked mine a little. Nothing major though. Depends what the command infantry boxes bring in the way of special weapons if it changes more.
I don't see much good coming from that, as in all honesty they do not strike me as a game design company in the slightest. If they think this is bad feedback, they may want to prepare for the inevitable storm that will arise when they start sharing rules with the community.
Gosh, I hope that kind of policy doesn't affect my business too badly. Geez, that's what the "organic reach" people have been talking about.
"Organic reach?" The hell is that? It sounds decidedly...unsavory.
Organic Reach is how people see your posts from your total pool of "likers" It is compared with purchased reach, which is just that, paying for likes and shares and comments from unsavory accounts. We've prided ourselves on not purchasing any likes on our facebook page, and we try to interact with our community as much as possible, but it took us nearly 2 years to reach 500 likes.
Automatically Appended Next Post: There has been a lot of grump gathering momentum in the KS comments section.
But in next season's update they'll announce that they've been so quiet because they've pushed 80% of their resource into finalising the Easter Jinx alternate sculpt.......
Mathieu Raymond wrote: Well, to be honest, it's not quite a martyr complex in that they really did nail him to a cross. Not like he just said they did.
Yes. I just meant that I'm sure the Raging Heroes will say they got it just as bad.
No, it's been going downhill since the first week of April, but the last five days I'd say have been really spinning a wee bit out of control.
And they make valid points. I'd never thought of it this way, but success for TGG is not only measured in money grabbed, but also in the confidence the market invests into buying the models after they hit retail. If all that comes out of it aew a few production runs and "oh, that company." eye rolls, then this could very well be a debacle.
cincydooley wrote: It should come as no surprise to any of you, but I too have been banned and booted from the Raging Heroes FB Page.
Now, that gak is amusing. Have you guys been posting there? I actually unfriended them myself several months ago, since I don't really use the facebook and wanted to cull some of the stuff I never use from my account. I wonder if this also means that they'll cancel and refund any orders you guys (or I, since my internet name's not exactly a secret) make?
Fairly petty as well. I can only guess that they must be unable to resist reading this thread from time to time, and that the snark has upset their delicate artistic sensibilities?
Jimsolo wrote: So, has the new IG codex changed what anyone is thinking about getting? I might change up some of my order, especially given the dramatic reduction in special characters available.
I was just going to get a selection of cool-looking characters. Since I had to drop my pledge down from the huge initial amount I had pledged to something much more modest. I mulled over increasing it again at some stage to get a few more characters, but then we had months of delays with no apparent progress, and now we're a month overdue for final fulfilment while not even having the pledge manager for Wave 1... so I might skip giving them more money, I think...
I would guess not a lot - once funded, they immediately splurged on expanding their premises. New staff, and all those scrapped prototypes are gonna eat it up quick...
I don't know much about the company, do they have some sort of other regular cash flow too? Or do they just a small handful of other minis on a web store?
If it is the latter, then yeah, it probably is worth getting concerned if there's no models in hand in say 6 months.
Not that I know anything about economics, especially of living on France.
Some are full-time at the company I think, others part-timers. But yeah, other than the KS, all they have as a means of income right now is a small selection of minis, of which several limited release boxed sets are still around after release 1+ year ago.
Their communication is so bad, that something might happen to them and nobody would notice for a long time.
I think you're missing the bigger news story there. Not only are they alive, we now have tangible proof that they both have calendars AND they know how to use them. Well, unless that was Easter 2013 they were putting up...curses!
Seriously though, at the progress they're (not) making I'm beginning to doubt that I'll have a retail interest in the product. That actually makes me somewhat sad, because they're good models overall. Time will tell I suppose; not like I need to worry about making that decision anytime soon from the looks of it.
I definitely do understand the concern and the fears, and I'm writing up something today to share more info.
Meanwhile, remember that the planned 50 models originally planned for the First Wave meant 10 Troops boxes, and we pushed them back to great expense to us to make them better, with the blessing of most of our backers... As for the Updates, not sure you should go by the number of them. Probably want to look at the actual content, where you'll see that the post-KS updates have loads more info in each of them. We had to recopy all the Updates in a Word document last week: 100 pages without images! We must be crazy
But again, I understand the concerns, so stay tuned for new info
Oh, I used to hammer on them pretty bad during the campaign based on the dishonest way the handled the opening and then their lack of clear communication. I just watch this thread out of sheer giggly pleasure. But apparently when it's that soft pitch even I go for it....I are ashamed
Ha, you say ashamed, but I bet you were doing this instead:
Hell, we're getting closer and closer to the one year anniversary of this grand event now. So, let it all go, so we can start year two afresh and full of other such positive things.
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KalashnikovMarine wrote: Interesting how different this is to say DFG which is MASSIVELY overdue but... I'm cool with it. Because Mark talks to us, and is generally awesome.
Same with Kingdom Death: Monster for me. I should be raging and frothing at the mouth, but you know what, Adam also talks to us, he's transparent, honest and willing to jump into the comments section to answer questions on a regular basis.
Well, he's not sitting idle, I can tell you that. For example, he's the one who put together all the miniature details (images, text, stories, ...) portion for the upcoming Pledge Manager. While doing it, he had to collate all of our KS Updates in one Word document: over 100 pages... of text only (I guess that with images, we're probably around 300+!). He's the one who's making sure that many of our backers get to see the images from our Updates by disseminating them elsewhere (you'd be surprised how many backers are not subscribed to the Updates). He's also the one who grabs the renders and photos and integrate them in a presentable form (thereby freeing up quite a bit of time for the 3D team for actual sculpting rather than getting my communication images ready). Indeed, preparing the sculpts for the renders, then doing the renders and integrating them in the TGG layout takes 2 weeks for each Update!
In the end, it's my fault if he's not sharing more new news with you all. I keep piling up more stuff for him to do... So it may not translate in more communications for the backers, but his work has freed up some much needed time for other members of the team, which has allowed the KS production to progress faster. And while in the end that all means that the KS will get delivered faster, I do get how it can leave some backers wanting more.
They are being fairly responsive now on their FB page (which doesn't help a lot of you ) so maybe they'll extend that to other places as well. (Responsiveness != content though )
Eggs wrote: I would guess not a lot - once funded, they immediately splurged on expanding their premises. New staff, and all those scrapped prototypes are gonna eat it up quick...
Oh no no, my dear friend. Not simply scrapping the prototypes, but a whole production run. They re-worked the 3D models, then sent them back for printing, then mastering and finally more production... and we're not even getting those in Wave 1.
Scrapping prototypes would have been a paltry in comparison.
Eggs wrote: I would guess not a lot - once funded, they immediately splurged on expanding their premises. New staff, and all those scrapped prototypes are gonna eat it up quick...
Oh no no, my dear friend. Not simply scrapping the prototypes, but a whole production run. They re-worked the 3D models, then sent them back for printing, then mastering and finally more production... and we're not even getting those in Wave 1.
Scrapping prototypes would have been a paltry in comparison.
Is this all just from that one update several ago? Any chance you could quote the relevant sections showing this? I did search around a bit but couldn't find it laid out that clearly.
I think it was mentioned and referenced here and there in the updates, not to mention this being the feedback of people who got the chance to sit in on one of those seminars, where they heard that models were discarded for the smallest of imperfections.
If we don't see the pledge manager and some serious signs that they're gearing up to ship wave 1 within the next couple of months, I'm going to start worrying that they've spent too much of the money on their preening artiste'ery to actually deliver.
Eggs wrote: I would guess not a lot - once funded, they immediately splurged on expanding their premises. New staff, and all those scrapped prototypes are gonna eat it up quick...
Oh no no, my dear friend. Not simply scrapping the prototypes, but a whole production run. They re-worked the 3D models, then sent them back for printing, then mastering and finally more production... and we're not even getting those in Wave 1.
Scrapping prototypes would have been a paltry in comparison.
Is this all just from that one update several ago? Any chance you could quote the relevant sections showing this? I did search around a bit but couldn't find it laid out that clearly.
To be fair to them Sedition Wars produced a bunch of sculpts (Hexen, the Calamity crew) that looked great as masters, but when actually produced were horrible as a result of shrinking of the casting material
they didn't scrap them and sent them out resulting in loads of outrage
so without seeing in hand what the scrapped stuff here looked like we can't be certain getting rid of it was a mistake
Eggs wrote: I would guess not a lot - once funded, they immediately splurged on expanding their premises. New staff, and all those scrapped prototypes are gonna eat it up quick...
Oh no no, my dear friend. Not simply scrapping the prototypes, but a whole production run. They re-worked the 3D models, then sent them back for printing, then mastering and finally more production... and we're not even getting those in Wave 1.
Scrapping prototypes would have been a paltry in comparison.
Is this all just from that one update several ago? Any chance you could quote the relevant sections showing this? I did search around a bit but couldn't find it laid out that clearly.
The post was deleted, from what I can tell. It was in the first 3 or 4 and now it's just gone. It was a general post on the main Raging Heroes FB page, not the Asharah Raging one.
I'm pretty sure if they do revive it, one of the requirements will be to list online communities you participate in and anyone listing Dakka will be mysteriously rejected.
I just noticed that my Like of their FaceBook page was removed. While I'm sure it's FaceBook's auto-unlike feature mentioned before, I DO show Dakka as one of my very few "likes" as well. Lacking any real news to discuss.... #antidakkaconspiracy
Long-time lurker on this thread. Given the quality of RH's other models, I'm...fadingly optimistic. I'm still hanging onto the hope that they're just frenching the whole thing up and taking their time and that in the end, I'll have a glorious female horde to go with my Sisters of Battle, but the clock's ticking...
Shoot me a 
