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I say that one mini is less than perfect, and all of a sudden I get lynched by Dakka saying that I'm a gamer who doesn't give a toss about quality and would be happy playing with tiddlywinks.
Thanks a lot, forum.
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Post by: RiTides
The issue is fixed?
You are admitting that one sculpt is absolute rubbish. 80-90% are very nice without the issues you quoted? The fantasy minis posted recently, many folks were upset with the werewolves. It happens over and over.
They are not batting .800 - .900 here. More like .333, in my opinion.
I think they make some fine sculpts too, but call a spade a spade. They're missing at least as often as they are hitting on sculpts (imo).
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Post by: Cyporiean
I'm honestly not seeing how the Enforcer Captain is any worst then a Terminator Captain.
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Post by: Eilif
Eilif wrote:Hmm, the Rebs look pretty good. It's the only faction I'm interested in, but that puts me in a bit of a quandry.
40 bucks for 6 figs is not a good enough deal for me and this pledge level doesn't get you any stretch goals.
Stretch goals kick in at 90 and gets the scenery (which I really like) but you can't get rebs again until you go up to $150 (143 for early birds)
Mantic:
Any chance for a Recon pledge where you can pick your factions?
RoninXiC wrote:They'll probably allow the swapping of the rewards. At least they've done so with the kings of war project.
Fear not, Mantic will add on the addons and strechgoals "soon". I'm absolutely certain of that.
Just got this message from Mantic.
Hi Eilif
The Recon level contains the Enforcer and Plague faction starters. If you want the others, you can select them at the Scout level, and then you'll be able to add the rest of the components separately later on :-).
Thanks
Stewart
Cheers to Mantic for Amazing customer response time. However, I'm unimpressed by the actual response which (since adding a "Scout" is about the same as moving to Strike team) essentially is the same as saying.
"if you want a different faction and it's addons then increase your pledge by 50 bucks"
I went ahead and early birded at "Recon" in case this policy changes, but unless it does or the add-ons blow me away, I'll reserve the option to drop out later.
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Post by: decker_cky
I'd say they're a lot closer to batting .900 than they are to .333 or even .500, but it's a style thing. Some people hate the proportions of the trolls and ogres. I think that the models we've seen make those as good as any trolls or ogres we've seen on the market. IMO, the werewolves are meh, but every other fantasy model that's been shown has been good to amazing.
I'm also wondering where this mystical 100% hit rate company that's selling miniatures for anything less than GW prices is.
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Post by: squall018
And 100k hit! I think the trerrain is the thing I'm most excited about for this whole thing. Well, that and the enforcer captain 
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Post by: Nick Ellingworth
And there's 100k
EDIT: ninja'd
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Post by: RiTides
Scarletsquig- Don't make it personal, no one it attacking you. You are not personally connected to Mantic, right? Someone can say the sculpts are bad without attacking you. It's just plain fair criticism, Not personal.
My question (which you responded to) is simply what is the appeal, if one of the sculpts already revealed is almost universally considered bad, and most are still concept art? The appeal, as you posted, seems to be quantity of minis. There's nothing wrong with that... I'm just trying to understand what people are attracted to by this campaign.
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Post by: scarletsquig
^ Wasn't responding to your reasonable post, but nkelsch's infinitely more antagonising one.
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Post by: squall018
 New stretch goal for 125k. Specialists for each faction.
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Post by: RiTides
decker_cky wrote:I'd say they're a lot closer to batting .900 than they are to .333 or even .500, but it's a style thing. Some people hate the proportions of the trolls and ogres. I think that the models we've seen make those as good as any trolls or ogres we've seen on the market. IMO, the werewolves are meh, but every other fantasy model that's been shown has been good to amazing.
Well you listed 3 models and don't like 1 of them, so that's .666 already 
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Post by: decker_cky
 RiTides wrote:decker_cky wrote:I'd say they're a lot closer to batting .900 than they are to .333 or even .500, but it's a style thing. Some people hate the proportions of the trolls and ogres. I think that the models we've seen make those as good as any trolls or ogres we've seen on the market. IMO, the werewolves are meh, but every other fantasy model that's been shown has been good to amazing.
Well you listed 3 models and don't like 1 of them, so that's .666 already
And now you've gone pure troll.
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Post by: Alpharius
Stretch Goal: Deadzone Specialists!
Update #2 · Apr 26, 2013 · 10 comments
Ha – Major Milestone complete, take that new scenery designs!
Like a runaway train the Deadzone Kickstarter keeps hurtling forwards so it’s now time for some stretch goals!
$125,000 - New Deadzone Specialists
If we reach this goal we will be able to tool 4 specialists – 1 for each faction!
Enforcer Engineer
Enforcer Engineers are integral to operations during a containment protocol, capable of laying deadly traps and automated sentry turrets.
Plague 2nd Gen
When the first victim of the Plague succumbs to the deadly alien virus then become what is known as a 1st Generation - a brutal colossus hell-bent on spreading its contagion to new hosts. These massive beings spread the plague in the ensuing slaughter and those second-generation victims that are infected suffer the same mutation to a lesser degree, becoming less massive but no less deadly.
Marauder in Ripper Armour
The Gorsch Corporation shot to fame when its Heavy Load Exo-Suit was adapted for combat use by Orc units. With the addition of dense armour plating and support-level weaponry, the Exo-Suits became a common sight on battlefields across the galaxy. Although the Orx no longer work for the Corporation, there are rumours that Gorsch still provides them with suit upgrades – for a price, of course.
Rebs Grogan with Heavy Weapon
Grogans are often looked down on by “civilised” society as brainless thugs. However, their straightforward demeanour and thick-set frame belies a keen mind and a knack for technology. Many of them have found their way to the ranks of the Rebellion, where they often act as both heavy-support troopers and engineers.
We will add each of the specialists into the faction starter boxes, meaning your getting 1 extra model at Scout ($40), 2 extra models at Recon ($100) and 4 extra models at Strike Team ($150)!
Have at it guys, crazy first day - let's see if we can make it crazier!
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Post by: Triszin
the head on pic of the enforcer captain doesnt look half bad though, you guys should use that one instead.
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Post by: squall018
decker_cky wrote: RiTides wrote:decker_cky wrote:I'd say they're a lot closer to batting .900 than they are to .333 or even .500, but it's a style thing. Some people hate the proportions of the trolls and ogres. I think that the models we've seen make those as good as any trolls or ogres we've seen on the market. IMO, the werewolves are meh, but every other fantasy model that's been shown has been good to amazing.
Well you listed 3 models and don't like 1 of them, so that's .666 already
And now you've gone pure troll.
pretty sure he was just messing around with that last one.
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Post by: Alfndrate
I would like to point out that if we're using batting averages here, perhaps we should point out that batting .333 is a high batting average, and is good enough to get you into the hall of fame...
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Post by: RiTides
scarletsquig- Ah, got it. I don't think he meant "twiddydinks" as offensive, but I see your point. I actually edited the "yous" out of my original post, since it's easy to read "you" and take it personally.
Anyway, be careful folks! All I'm trying to point out is, I LOVE how Mantic has delivered on-time, but at this stage in my hobbying "career" I don't need tons of new models, I just need good ones that won't sit in a drawer. So if a model gives me misgivings, I'm not going to buy it, and they've had a bit of trouble translating concept art to sculpts.
That said, I'll watch with interest, and their latest dreadball teams have been better than the originals (imo) so it bodes well as a trend. But they're "not there yet" in terms of quality, I think, despite their continuing to improve (which is a good thing, but still a ways to go).
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Post by: Alpharius
Also...
First Generation and Second Generation... Infected?
Heh.
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Post by: RiTides
No Zombie love-boat for you, Alpharius? 
Loving the ork (marauder) art, btw!
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Post by: squall018
That Maurader in Ripper armor is probably my favorite looking concept art so far. Hope it transfers well when sculpted.
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Post by: SeanDrake
 scarletsquig wrote:^ Wasn't responding to your reasonable post, but nkelsch's infinitely more antagonising one.
Meh don't worry about it SS it's one of those things.
In fact it's one of the laws of nature Waters wet, fires hot, gw is expensive and Nkelsch will turn up in a Mantic thread complaining.
Anyway in my opinion one of the issues with most of the photos of the captain is he just looks weird with the helmet visor up from an angle.
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
Earth Dragon wrote:I feel they stalled on stretch goals to see how they should be spaced, which is essentially BS as that's not "funding" jack diddly squat. I would like to know what the extra funds are going towards. It's a KS. The extra funds should be going towards the game. Why are we not already funding additional factions/options?
I think that 25k was a deceptively lowball funding hurdle though. That's a LOT of molds to produce for that amount of money, not to mention rules, etc. 100k (or more) is probably a more accurate funding amount. However due to the psychology of kickstarters, people hold off backing a project until its funded (despite not being charged if it fails). And success breeds success, as it gets a "OMG, funded in 5 seconds!!" buzz going. 100k seems reasonable to start offering freebies. If they continue to sit on stretch goals, you may have a point, but I think its a little early to make a call.
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Post by: RiTides
It's a 50K campaign, not 25K, Bossk_Hogg
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Post by: scarletsquig
New stretch goal is $25k for 4 free minis (some of which are very large), we're into freebie town, now!
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Post by: Alfndrate
 squall018 wrote:That Maurader in Ripper armor is probably my favorite looking concept art so far. Hope it transfers well when sculpted.
>_> the colored art is even better 
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Post by: nkelsch
There is a difference between "models I do not like" and "flawed models"
There are basic anatomy and scale issues which damage models. Hero scale hides a lot of sins, realistic scale makes issues like 'too think legs to fit in the armor' stick out to such a point it hurts to look at the model.
The problem is they force people to lock in orders before sculpts are done.
I would be fine if they said 'Get 4 warbands' and then wait for orders to be locked in until they had finished the sculpts. They don't need to know the run numbers until the molds are machined. It would be even better if they broke it down to model size and say "get 10 small and 2 large"
Then people could support and guarantee they get models they want and like. It would also make bad models crash and crash hard which should incentivize mantic into making better sculpts opposed to the "we already have your money and your pledge is set in stone... we not changing the model to meet your feedback." response we get now.
Because they have a 'take money first, produce sculpts later' attitude without a reliable success rate, people should wait for sculpts if they want guaranteed good models.
And if they want bulk and don't care about quality, then this is a good source of plastic. Automatically Appended Next Post: SeanDrake wrote: scarletsquig wrote:^ Wasn't responding to your reasonable post, but nkelsch's infinitely more antagonising one.
Meh don't worry about it SS it's one of those things.
In fact it's one of the laws of nature Waters wet, fires hot, gw is expensive and Nkelsch will turn up in a Mantic thread complaining.
Anyway in my opinion one of the issues with most of the photos of the captain is he just looks weird with the helmet visor up from an angle.
They took hundreds of my dollars and produced poor models, So I will share my experiences and dissatisfaction and warn people to protect thier pocketbooks.
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Post by: Alpharius
Will you also acknowledge improvement and quality when you see it too?
I hope?
Because if not, well, you can see how it can get a bit tiresome.
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
My ability to comprehend numbers past my number of fingers and toes should always be suspect.
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Post by: Azazelx
 Bolognesus wrote:...Well, those starters sure are set up to be expanded by stretch goals a bit - this isn't much of a value just yet.
Problem is I specifically want those enforcer engineer and sniper models - neither of which is even available for any kind of pledge yet.
Sure it'll get better yet, though. Quite interesting to see how far that will go - Dreadball felt like a better value at the start of it's KS campaign than this does now...
Heh, you're right there. 20 figures, 5 larger figures of Mantic quality in restic and 5 hard plastic scenery sprues for $150. Kickstarter has become such a meta-game in and of itself in the mini gaming genre.
Yeah, it's more expensive than GW models at this point for figures that will typically be way sub-par to GW ones. I got a later Early Bird since I was busy raiding and forgot. I'll follow this thread somewhat but look at it again properly in about 28 days to decide whether I stay in or drop out. Of course, if they're thinking of setting those boxes at $40 a pop RRP, then they might find this game dies in the arse. I suspect that the fake "unlocks" this campaign provides may bump up the retail value for "everyone" by the time this ends. No need to stress at this stage.
 Automatically Appended Next Post:  Nick Ellingworth wrote:I'm sure they're coming, can't really blame Mantic for being a little slow as I doubt that anyone would have foreseen Deadzone being funded so quickly.
Not putting any up initially leaves them space to pace them further apart.
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Post by: kilcin
Lovely lady with insider knowledge, any chance the Nameless will show up?
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Post by: Cyporiean
 kilcin wrote:
Lovely lady with insider knowledge, any chance the Nameless will show up?
They weren't in anything I've seen, but I'd say they have a good chance of showing up down the road if there is enough demand.
Ver-myn are the only thing that was stated to not be in *this* version of Deadzone.
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Post by: nkelsch
 Alpharius wrote:Will you also acknowledge improvement and quality when you see it too?
I hope?
Because if not, well, you can see how it can get a bit tiresome.
I do, When they have good sculpts, I say it. I have said very good things about the Dreadball Season 2 sculpts... And then they in the same email released Cathorse which was a terrible model.
So while they can make some good sculpts, the trend is not 'constantly improving' or 'being consistently better' because they are still hit or miss. They make a bunch of spot on stuff and then their new KS launches with fundamentally flawed models.
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Post by: Azazelx
Earth Dragon wrote:I feel they stalled on stretch goals to see how they should be spaced, which is essentially BS as that's not "funding" jack diddly squat. I would like to know what the extra funds are going towards. It's a KS. The extra funds should be going towards the game. Why are we not already funding additional factions/options?
KS is a meta-game now. Both sides often have an entitlement mentality (not just the backers). They've already worked out all their goals, I'm sure, but they're holding them back to space them out in order to keep the campaign moving as much as possible for the biggest end outcome - it's not at all about just getting enough money to fund a book or a boardgame or whatever. The first, last (and only) time you'll have seen actual stretch goals in a Mantic KS was the KoW one.
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Post by: Alpharius
Waiting for Teratons and Terrain Add Ons - and then... well, it will be bad news for the gaming budget, but great news for the gaming table!
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Post by: Alfndrate
I'm actually curious as to how well this game will look on the Tablescapes tiles...
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Post by: scarletsquig
 Azazelx wrote:Of course, if they're thinking of setting those boxes at $40 a pop RRP, then they might find this game dies in the arse. I suspect that the fake "unlocks" this campaign provides may bump up the retail value for "everyone" by the time this ends. No need to stress at this stage.
I'd say the $40 price tag is more down to them having to incorporate shipping fees into the pledge level (and it does say shipping included, they're not claiming it's free). They have a flat rate per-person fee to ship to both US and UK from their new courier setup, at $15 per package, regardless of package size and number of shipments. They had this shipping fee separate for the Loka KS, but it was a bit of a pain, probably best that they've included it in the pledge levels this time.
So, I'd imagine $25 RRP for a faction + $15 shipping... and then you have the $65 scientist for $50 RRP no-frills boxed game + $15 shipping.
Much better to go for the bigger pledges on this. Not many people ever bother with the low-end "no stretch goal freebie" pledges anyway.
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Post by: Alpharius
Azazelx wrote:Of course, if they're thinking of setting those boxes at $40 a pop RRP, then they might find this game dies in the arse. I suspect that the fake "unlocks" this campaign provides may bump up the retail value for "everyone" by the time this ends. No need to stress at this stage.
I think you're spot on with the whole 'fake unlocks' thing - but...
..."Dies in the arse"?
Er...OK?
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Post by: Earth Dragon
8 EBs left of the premium package.
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Post by: Nick Ellingworth
So only another 12k to go before the specialists are unlocked.
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Post by: Azazelx
scarletsquig wrote: Azazelx wrote:Of course, if they're thinking of setting those boxes at $40 a pop RRP, then they might find this game dies in the arse. I suspect that the fake "unlocks" this campaign provides may bump up the retail value for "everyone" by the time this ends. No need to stress at this stage.
I'd say the $40 price tag is more down to them having to incorporate shipping fees into the pledge level (and it does say shipping included, they're not claiming it's free). They have a flat rate per-person fee to ship to both US and UK from their new courier setup, at $15 per package, regardless of package size and number of shipments. They had this shipping fee separate for the Loka KS, but it was a bit of a pain, probably best that they've included it in the pledge levels this time.
So, I'd imagine $25 RRP for a faction + $15 shipping... and then you have the $65 scientist for $50 RRP no-frills boxed game + $15 shipping.
Much better to go for the bigger pledges on this. Not many people ever bother with the low-end "no stretch goal freebie" pledges anyway.
Nah, that's doesn't really jibe well with the $150 level and it's contents. Regardless, if we accept your explanation, that makes the $40 set a terribad deal, since would mean you'd be able to get it from any UK online discounter for $22,50/14.50UKP with free worldwide shipping. Possibly before it's even shipped to backers.
The figures are an interesting lot so far. Of the sculpted and shown models, the small infected look awful, as does the not-terminator Captain (or his arms, anyway). I'm not sure I trust Mantic's concept art enough anymore unless they start showing sculpts before the end of this...
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Post by: Cyporiean
 Alfndrate wrote:I'm actually curious as to how well this game will look on the Tablescapes tiles...
I think it would work quite well with the Urban Streets sets. Especially if you grab one of the 2x2 'Display Board' options while they are still available for $50.
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Post by: scarletsquig
Azazelx wrote:
Nah, that's doesn't really jibe well with the $150 level and it's contents. Regardless, if we accept your explanation, that makes the $40 set a terribad deal, since would mean you'd be able to get it from any UK online discounter for $22,50/14.50UKP with free worldwide shipping. Possibly before it's even shipped to backers.
$40 level will have stretch goal freebies which you won't get at retail, it already gets an extra mini at $125k. Terrible deal, currently, but by that logic, the $150 level is a terrible deal currently.
There's not really much point bothering with a debate which will look really stupid once the KS is at $1 mil and drowning in free minis.
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Post by: Azazelx
Alpharius wrote:
I think you're spot on with the whole 'fake unlocks' thing - but...
..."Dies in the arse"?
Er...OK?
Did I type that? Heh, it's after 1am here now, going on 2am. I usually make an effort to be slightly more polite here. It's fairly common Aussie slang, which means "fails badly". I'm obviously not meaning the KS, but the game at retail.
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Post by: DaveC
I notice the $500 Captain level of which there are 10 allows you to design your own Enforcer or Enforcer Captain and 1 is already sold so it looks like we'll be seeing other Captain miniatures at least.
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They just added Early Bird 7 Strike Team another 100 for $146.
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Post by: Azazelx
scarletsquig wrote: Azazelx wrote:
Nah, that's doesn't really jibe well with the $150 level and it's contents. Regardless, if we accept your explanation, that makes the $40 set a terribad deal, since would mean you'd be able to get it from any UK online discounter for $22,50/14.50UKP with free worldwide shipping. Possibly before it's even shipped to backers.
$40 level will have stretch goal freebies which you won't get at retail, it already gets an extra mini at $125k.
I'd hope they go into the starter sets as well, since, as I said, they're poor value as they stand - even if you deduct the "$15 shipping" from them. We'll have a better view of how much Mantic value them as once they get offered as stretch add-ons anyway. Really though, our discussion at this stage is probably redundant since the campaign hasn't done anything significant yet. In 2 weeks when things have unlocked and the add-ons have made an appearance and they've talked more about how we've added x, y and z to the retail packs for everyone in perpetutity we can talk value a little more usefully. At this point, the couple of add-on figures at $125k take the value at all pledge levels from Very Poor to Still Very Poor.
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Post by: overtyrant
I said to Jake Thornton at salute that instead of doing only 100/200 early birds why dont you add more in increments and behold lol...
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Post by: judgedoug
I quite like the Plague little guys. They have a stupid pink paint job, but imagining them with darker skin and torn and stained clothes... the minis are quite nice and well detailed.
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Post by: Nick Ellingworth
Yeah the plague paintjob really doesn't help them, something more subdued would look much nicer IMO.
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Post by: decker_cky
Yeah, I think the little plague guys are the best part of the whole set.
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Post by: Gitzbitah
Did anyone else notice the Plague 3rd gen are only wearing pants?
I'm totally painting them blue and calling them Jeanstealers.
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Post by: Agent_Tremolo
This might well be the first time a Mantic kickstarter gets my interest - I might end up tossing some cash into this.
I'm pleased with most of the concepts and minis shown so far. Heck, even the orx look sweet (despite I've always thought Mantic's obsession with recycling GW's factions is what keeps the otherwise great Warpath from taking flight on its own). Might be worth checking for that Ripper suit alone.
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Post by: Compel
I'm definitely going for a mass effect inspired paint scheme for my models.
Interesting thing... This looks like it has matched gates of Antares full run.... in an afternoon
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Post by: Nick Ellingworth
Boom 125 already! Ok mantic what you got for us now?
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And we just blew past 125k.
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125,000 done.
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Post by: judgedoug
 Compel wrote:I'm definitely going for a mass effect inspired paint scheme for my models.
Interesting thing... This looks like it has matched gates of Antares full run.... in an afternoon
Eye candy - does it every time.
I hope Gates of Antares relaunches this summer, with lots of sculpts and digital designs of the sprues or something.
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Post by: Triszin
wheres the next goal?!
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Post by: Rolt
 judgedoug wrote: Compel wrote:I'm definitely going for a mass effect inspired paint scheme for my models.
Interesting thing... This looks like it has matched gates of Antares full run.... in an afternoon
Eye candy - does it every time.
I hope Gates of Antares relaunches this summer, with lots of sculpts and digital designs of the sprues or something.
It should hopefully relaunch before the end of the year, warlord games had some of the sculpts at this years Salute and they have said the project is still active. They are still working on GoA but in more of a "slow and steady" manner, I'm curious
if they are still involving the community in the project since the GoA forums have been pretty much dead lately.
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Update: Next two goals
$150,000 – Accessory Scenery Sprue
If we hit $150,000, we’ll be able to tool the Accessory sprue for the Deadzone scenery – and upgrade one of your sprues!
The accessory sprue will contain all manner of gubbinz like barrels and crates, but also “half” tiles that can be used as walkways and barricades – great for detailing your battlefield and adding extra cover for your ground troops!
$175,000 – Deadzone Faction Support
If we hit this goal, we will be able to tool the deployable automated Enforcer Sentry Guns, Plague Hounds, Mawbeast Bombers and Rebs Drones!
We will add 2 each of these support models to your faction starters, meaning you get 2 extra models at Scout ($40), 4 extra models at Recon ($100) and 8 extra models at Strike Team ($150)!
We’ve got plenty more great stretches coming up where we will be giving more stuff away – you can never have enough scenery in our eyes
Dogs with chainsawssss!!!
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Post by: RoninXiC
Nice, nice Unfortunately it's not an additional sprue of terrain, just a change of one of the already included.
But.. still sweet
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Post by: squall018
The mawbeast bombers look like they have chainsaws for tongues... I don't even know if thats cool or not, but its there. Really love the rebel drones.
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Post by: DaveC
The Mawbeasts are a bit weird but then they do go with the Marauders the rest is good, more terrain is always good just waiting until they announce the terrain as add ons then I'll really throw some money at this.
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Post by: Earth Dragon
I just saw that they created another EB pledge saving people $4. Oh brother. That is so slowed it funny.
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Post by: decker_cky
Wish the plague dogs had exaggerated proportions like the gen 3's.
Mawbeasts are a bit weird, and I'm not sure they actually do fit with anything from the Marauders. Definite room for improvement on the concept IMO.
Love the other two.
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squall018 wrote:The mawbeast bombers look like they have chainsaws for tongues... I don't even know if thats cool or not, but its there. Really love the rebel drones.
Yes. Yes, it is. 
It appears from the name that they may also explode, which means those things on their back are not speakers meant to blast 80's hair metal.
I'm really getting excited about this one.
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Post by: Triszin
i think the flying drones fit in more for the enforcers/ either way they look fantastic
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Post by: scarletsquig
And.. 1000 backers!
In less than 5 hours, to boot.
This thing is going to be *huge*.
I do like that they're getting the terrain sorted out properly, and really early on, complete with all the accessories, on proper hard plastic.
They're doing this early on so they can offer the terrain add-ons as a completed set containing all the walls, windows, bulkheads, doors, walkways etc.
Looks like it'll easily get to $175k in the first day, which is pretty awesome, since that'll be +12 free minis in addition to sorting out the terrain.
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I guess if you really don't like the design of the enforcer captain, you can pay Mantic to create a different one for $350 lol
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Post by: darkPrince010
scarletsquig wrote:Rules for this are sounding great.
Terrain is destructible, you can loot new weapons and use them during the game by finding crates (which may also be booby-trapped!).
Sounds like a lot of fun.
I gotta ask: Where are you seeing this? Because if you have an alpha copy of the rules sitting around, I politely ask you to share the love
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^ Either Jake's blog or the Mantic forums.
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Post by: PsychoticStorm
I really do not like mawnbeasts, rest is cool though.
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Post by: Earth Dragon
They REALLY just started a $3 EB special....Good crimony. I wonder if they are actually gonna go down to $1
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Post by: darkPrince010
While the mawbeasts don't seem to fit with Marauders as presented by Mantic, they seem like glorious alternatives to Cyboars for 40K Orks, and if I can eventually get a Cyboar cavalry unit for Orks made from Mawbeasts like that, I will be very happy
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Post by: Nick Ellingworth
Earth Dragon wrote:They REALLY just started a $3 EB special....Good crimony. I wonder if they are actually gonna go down to $1
Eh why not? Even though the saving is tiny if it encourages more people to pledge it'll help the kickstarter campaign.
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Earth Dragon wrote:They REALLY just started a $3 EB special....Good crimony. I wonder if they are actually gonna go down to $1
Why not? Discount is discount, no?
This is going to be torture waiting to see how much junk we'll end up with over the next 30+ days. Wonder when they're going to let us start tossing money at add-ons. I'd imagine once the initial frenzy begins to slow down.
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Post by: Earth Dragon
But if you are only saving a buck, wouldn't you have pledged anyways? Just seems a bit silly, but somewhat amusing. They really are only taking money from themselves at that point anyhow.
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Post by: DaveC
$3 is $3 if you have to pay shipping of $5 on top of your pledge well it makes it a bit cheaper
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Post by: Alpharius
"Early Bird" specials are just one of those Kickstarter things - it helps generate excitement and get early pledges and commitments.
And I'd bet that they generate invested and motivated backers who more often than not stay the whole way through too.
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Post by: Earth Dragon
They do need to get add-ons up soon though. After the first day, many folks just stop paying attention until the end. Better to ride this momentum a bit more while they got it. Could break 400k by the end of tomorrow.
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Post by: Alpharius
That Terrain Add On will see a MASSIVE spike in dollars pledged too!
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Post by: DaveC
I don't blame them for holding the terrain add on back for awhile the KS doesn't need it to push on the funds yet but it will later I have about $250 to put in just for the terrain when it gets added as a buy option.
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Post by: Alpharius
I'm with you there - it is one of the things I'm most excited about on this one...
Can you imagine what admitted terrain junkie H.B.M.C. will pledge for terrain alone on this one?
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Post by: MOTN
Wow.
I'm not going to back this, I've not bought a miniature in literally years, but speaking as a senior investment professional and angel investor (my day job outside of the nerd realm of miniatures): Mantic are nailing this big time.
Tripling their initial investment requirement in a single day is a big deal. I see similarities in Mantic (versus Games Workshop) to Blizzard Entertained and their Starcraft and Warcraft franchise.
We will see big things over the next 5-10 years from Mantic, and I'm a corporate hobby hating sceptic, but seriously hats off to Mantic and good luck: as an outsider looking in they are the place to be right now (from both a customer and a career point of view). If they floated I'd buy.
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Post by: Zond
Looks good so far. I'm going to hold on and see what else gets added in terms of pictures of the minis, rules and factions before taking any plunge. We've had top heavy Plague, I'm just desperate to dodge the nipples now. 
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C'mon Icesword, you now you at least wanna give that $65 scientist package a try.
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Post by: MOTN
Earth Dragon wrote:C'mon Icesword, you now you at least wanna give that $65 scientist package a try.
Ha. If I didn't sculpt my own stuff then... yes absolutely, this would bring me out of my shell.
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Post by: AlexHolker
 IceSword wrote:Tripling their initial investment requirement in a single day is a big deal.
No, it's not. They deliberately set the goal as low as they did to make people like you say things like that. That, and so that they could pretend that lowering their prices to Finecast levels was some kind of reward.
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Post by: DaveC
It's been established before that to bring a game like this to market costs $200k to $250k or more but every KS creator now knows that if you set a target like that no one will back it straight off until it's funded which it probably won't so you set a $25k - $50k target knowing you'll be leaving yourself short but once people see it's funded they'll dive in so you hit the $200k anyway.
The other thing that's common now is the so called fake stretch goals which run up to $250k or so basically projects hold back things that would be in the game anyway had they spent the full $200k to develop it and they put them back in as stretch goals. I'm not knocking it it works better than the alternatives.
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Post by: MOTN
 AlexHolker wrote: IceSword wrote:Tripling their initial investment requirement in a single day is a big deal.
No, it's not. They deliberately set the goal as low as they did to make people like you say things like that. That, and so that they could pretend that lowering their prices to Finecast levels was some kind of reward.
True, very true.
But from an outsider looking in, they've just demonstrated they have a great fan base and existing customer support. Aiming low is the kickstarter method.
I'd say raising £150k in a single day is pretty significant in the miniature industry given the size of Mantic, no matter how they did it.
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Post by: Alfndrate
IceSword wrote: AlexHolker wrote: IceSword wrote:Tripling their initial investment requirement in a single day is a big deal.
No, it's not. They deliberately set the goal as low as they did to make people like you say things like that. That, and so that they could pretend that lowering their prices to Finecast levels was some kind of reward.
True, very true.
But from an outsider looking in, they've just demonstrated they have a great fan base and existing customer support. Aiming low is the kickstarter method.
I'd say raising £150k in a single day is pretty significant in the miniature industry given the size of Mantic, no matter how they did it.
It's not even been a whole day!
Also, as someone that hasn't been a big fan of Mantic's stuff in the past, seeing the art and concepts that I have seen drew me in, so all in all I feel this is a solid buy
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Post by: Earth Dragon
Kicktraq has this ending at 5 mil hahahaha. Wouldn't that be somethin'. At that point we'd have our Nameless-Teraton hybrid plague beast included for free with every recon and above pledged!!!
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Post by: Alpharius
I think it has been fairly well established at this point that most of what Kicktraq projects is in fact quite worthless.
Still, this one is doing very well indeed - and they've still got a good 9 or 10 hours of Prime USA Time to go!
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Post by: Commander Cain
I wonder when we will actually start to see the "real" stretch goals then? So far we are just unlocking stuff that has already been produced (apparently, I do want to see some actual rebel sculpts). With the enforcers now being digital sculpts I can see alternate poses being a goal for sure. Someone mentioned walkers a few pages back, that would be an insta-buy for me, assuming that they would be purchasable add-ons that is..
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Post by: Earth Dragon
AlexHolker wrote: IceSword wrote:Tripling their initial investment requirement in a single day is a big deal.
No, it's not. They deliberately set the goal as low as they did to make people like you say things like that. That, and so that they could pretend that lowering their prices to Finecast levels was some kind of reward.
I'm gonna say you're being overly skeptical on this:
http://www.manticgames.com/Shop-Home/DreadBall/Product/DreadBall-KickOff.html
People act like adding a ref in wasn't a true stretch goal for dreadball, but this box set says otherwise. Their entry point was the true barebones entry point for both this and Dreadball. Now, some of the non-sense spacing on the stretch goals here are a completely different matter and have backing.
You really have to pick and choose your battles and not lawyer every piece of evidence you can conjure up.
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Post by: Alpharius
Walkers are in the artwork shown in the opening video, as in the "Generation 3" Infected, so they'll be showing up sooner or later.
I'd think they'll be some more terrain stretch goals too, if they're paying attention and are being smart about it - and they are!
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Post by: decker_cky
And...$150k passed.
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Post by: lord marcus
squall018 wrote:The mawbeast bombers look like they have chainsaws for tongues... I don't even know if thats cool or not, but its there. Really love the rebel drones.
They do, they are Robot mawbeasts.
Like the Plague dogs.
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Post by: Alfndrate
Earth Dragon wrote: AlexHolker wrote: IceSword wrote:Tripling their initial investment requirement in a single day is a big deal.
No, it's not. They deliberately set the goal as low as they did to make people like you say things like that. That, and so that they could pretend that lowering their prices to Finecast levels was some kind of reward.
I'm gonna say you're being overly skeptical on this:
http://www.manticgames.com/Shop-Home/DreadBall/Product/DreadBall-KickOff.html
People act like adding a ref in wasn't a true stretch goal for dreadball, but this box set says otherwise. Their entry point was the true barebones entry point for both this and Dreadball. Now, some of the non-sense spacing on the stretch goals here are a completely different matter and have backing.
You really have to pick and choose your battles and not lawyer every piece of evidence you can conjure up.
Dreadball kickoff is a real recent release... Regular Dreadball has been out longer than Kickoff...
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Post by: scarletsquig
150k stretch has been hit!
That's the terrain all sorted, with three different plastic sprues making up the buildings, bulkheads, walkways etc. with ladders, crates and containers on the sprue as well to go with them.
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Post by: Earth Dragon
Alpharius wrote:I think it has been fairly well established at this point that most of what Kicktraq projects is in fact quite worthless.
Still, this one is doing very well indeed - and they've still got a good 9 or 10 hours of Prime USA Time to go!
I'm well aware of that. I still thinks its funny. I'd like to know what it says right before the day rolls.
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Post by: Souleater
Not keen on the drones but the two dog type beasties are pretty cool.
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Post by: Hulksmash
Love the drones. I'm a fan of the mawbeasts to but that's mostly cause they'll make good dark mechanicus flesh hounds
I'm in for the Strike level personally. I'm looking forward to them adding forge fathers as that's my favorite faction if they could make them look a little less like their fantasy dwarves with sci-fi guns.
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Post by: Earth Dragon
Alfndrate wrote:Earth Dragon wrote: AlexHolker wrote: IceSword wrote:Tripling their initial investment requirement in a single day is a big deal.
No, it's not. They deliberately set the goal as low as they did to make people like you say things like that. That, and so that they could pretend that lowering their prices to Finecast levels was some kind of reward.
I'm gonna say you're being overly skeptical on this:
http://www.manticgames.com/Shop-Home/DreadBall/Product/DreadBall-KickOff.html
People act like adding a ref in wasn't a true stretch goal for dreadball, but this box set says otherwise. Their entry point was the true barebones entry point for both this and Dreadball. Now, some of the non-sense spacing on the stretch goals here are a completely different matter and have backing.
You really have to pick and choose your battles and not lawyer every piece of evidence you can conjure up.
Dreadball kickoff is a real recent release... Regular Dreadball has been out longer than Kickoff...
All I'm pointing out is that Kickoff is what the initial bar of dreadball was set for, so they really did have a rule set in mind for the initial goal, which is where they got flak. If dreadball ended right at the funding mark Kickoff and metal Veermyn and Dwarves is what would have been released to the public. Automatically Appended Next Post: 4 backers to see if they have a $2 off category. What a hoot
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Post by: judgedoug
You're right. The old interviews w/ Ronnie showed that Dreadball was going to come with a token for the Ref, and the Ref was a metal fig you could buy separately. The funding did enhance the basic game - ref became plastic and included, teams bumped to 10, etc.
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Post by: Ulsif
I can use some of my Sedition War Minis here, including the drones, At least until the new rule book comes out
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Post by: adamsouza
Gitzbitah wrote:
Did anyone else notice the Plague 3rd gen are only wearing pants?
I'm totally painting them blue and calling them Jeanstealers.
Honestly, I didn't like any of the plague, except for the real big one, until now.
I'm painting them all with green skin and navy pants.
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Post by: Alfndrate
judgedoug wrote:You're right. The old interviews w/ Ronnie showed that Dreadball was going to come with a token for the Ref, and the Ref was a metal fig you could buy separately. The funding did enhance the basic game - ref became plastic and included, teams bumped to 10, etc.
The problem is that Kickoff still isn't just, "barebones" Dreadball (i.e. if we hadn't hit stretch goal after stretch goal). Kickoff doesn't come with the ref, it doesn't come with the cards, or the roster pad. It also has a different rulebook than regular dreadball. it's literally a starterbox for Dreadball, and honestly, it was being marketed more like a boardgame at AdeptiCon than a "wargame" level of thing. I.e. while it's perfect for starting dreadball, it's not designed to get all of the depth you can get with regular dreadball.
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Post by: darkPrince010
Are there any hints or anything as to when an Alpha of the rules will be available? Because that will be ta major factor of if I just get Scientist level, or if I get anything higher.
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Post by: warboss
Definitely looks cool and I like the Enforcer look as always.
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Post by: squall018
 darkPrince010 wrote:Are there any hints or anything as to when an Alpha of the rules will be available? Because that will be ta major factor of if I just get Scientist level, or if I get anything higher.
They said they would get an alpha set of the rules out before the end of the kickstarter and some gameplay videos up this weekend. Its some where in the 1000 some comments already on the kickstarter, so I can't find the quotes, but I know i read it.
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Post by: Taarnak
Mantic on KS wrote:
@Nick Dodds - There will be videos and an alpha set of rules early next week.
Looking forward to seeing both the videos and the alpha rules.
~Eric
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Post by: Souleater
One obvious stretch goal is surely a different material for the play surface. Paper sounds a bit fragile.
Guesswork but might we see MDF or plastic boards?
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Post by: Barzam
They mentioned in the comments rubber backed cloth. I imagine it'd be kind of like a mousepad.
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Post by: CptJake
 Barzam wrote:They mentioned in the comments rubber backed cloth. I imagine it'd be kind of like a mousepad.
I would like that.
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Post by: scarletsquig
Something just occured to me about the Enforcer Captain - If he had a cigar in his mouth, his pose would actually look pretty good, and give off more of a badass "I'm standing on the charred corpses of the enemy" vibe.
I think I'll be green-stuffing one on to mine.
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Post by: Rolt
Eh I dunno Squig his facial expression still looks like he just dropped his icecream sandwich.
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Post by: JoshInJapan
So, is Halethorpe just the location of their shell company, or does Mantic actually have an office in the US?
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Post by: squall018
Location of shell company. I'm almost certain.
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Post by: Cyporiean
They have a very small US Office.
I'm fairly sure our office is larger then Mantic's US Office.
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Post by: judgedoug
That's where the official Mantic US Rep is located, right?
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Post by: RiTides
Cyporiean- is there any kind of partnership between Mantic and OTL... or do you guys just take an interest in what they do? Just curious
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Post by: Cyporiean
RiTides wrote:Cyporiean- is there any kind of partnership between Mantic and OTL... or do you guys just take an interest in what they do? Just curious
Just friendship and shared staff.
Ronnie/Mantic gave us a lot of advice when we started work on Brushfire, and we've been big fans of theirs since day one. We try to get together with the Mantic gang whenever we are at the same show for food and drinks and general comradery.
Honestly, most TTG companies get along great together. I just don't keep quiet about it.
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Post by: The Dwarf Wolf
Im liking it, pledged.
But i will have to see the rules.
The enforcers looks good, the free stuff look like it will build up, and the value for money is great right now. I hope they dont start to charge for new achievements...
And i want forge fathers...
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@Darkprince
Utter genius.
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Post by: timetowaste85
So he's got a weird face. Plenty of GW open faces are weird/awful. The entire plastic IG head line is terrible (this is, of course, my opinion. You're just wrong if you disagree ). Big deal. Maybe Mantic will give options for a headswap on this guy-a current Enforcer head would easily work, and if the model is like the current metal hero, the head does not come attached.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Shouldn't the caption read "Why are my arms growing out of the sides of my head?".
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Post by: PsychoticStorm
 H.B.M.C. wrote:Shouldn't the caption read "Why are my arms growing out of the sides of my head?".
You know this is not true, the arms are even more improbably placed than been on the ears.
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H.B.M.C. wrote:Shouldn't the caption read "Why are my arms growing out of the sides of my head?".
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
In the dark grimness of the distance future, there are only pixels.
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Post by: darkPrince010
H.B.M.C. wrote:In the dark grimness of the distance future, there are only pixels.
Well, that's the only resolution I can find of an angle making him look grumpy. The pic from Matt Gilbert makes him look depressed, and everything else is too low of resolution or really washed-out.
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Post by: DiabolicAl
Bit perturbed that they dont say exactly how much scenery you can build with 'A sprue' (or if they do i missed it. ) I also dislike their 'plague models' still ill keep an eye on if for the stretch goals and probably back it further down the line. I liked Dreadball when i played it (actually prefer it to Bloodbowl) so im sure this effort by Jake will be good too.
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Post by: Triszin
I'm curious aswell diabolicAI. Also its at 169k atm, so we are not that far off from hitting the 175 k mark.
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Post by: DiabolicAl
Another thing that confuses me. The $65 Dollar 'Boxed Game' pledge say s it contains 18 models. The $100 pledge seems to contain less? I think the contents could more clearly described. Still exciting stuff.
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Post by: Salacious Greed
I think he looks like Gru from Despicable Me. Now he just needs some minions. He's got a beak.
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Post by: Salacious Greed
 DiabolicAl wrote:Another thing that confuses me. The $65 Dollar 'Boxed Game' pledge say s it contains 18 models. The $100 pledge seems to contain less? I think the contents could more clearly described. Still exciting stuff.
Well, the pieces are also different in the $65 box. It says they're two different colors of plastic, so I imagine its board game piece plastic. Don't know if they're doing this to lower the cost for their entry level offering.
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Post by: Bolognesus
Besides that, the regular starters will get added to via more stretch goals; the $65 level probably doesn't get much in the way of that.
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Post by: DiabolicAl
Bolognesus wrote:Besides that, the regular starters will get added to via more stretch goals; the $65 level probably doesn't get much in the way of that.
No that's true if you want the stretch goals you need to pledge $100.
Im looking at the $150 level tbh. 4 factions and an extra 2 building sprues. I'd just like to know how much each sprue makes.
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Post by: DaveC
They seem to be talking about each sprue having 6 panels a single storey building 3 squares by 2 squares would need 16 panels to make so your not getting much more than 1 or 2 buildings to start but they have hinted that they will add more terrain sprues to the pledge levels later
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Post by: Bolognesus
Incorrect; the extra models are added per faction starters, regardless of the pledge level they're in (so far, that is!) so the 125K and 175K stretches apply to the $40 level equally.
the $65 level seems to be the odd man out.
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Post by: Ronin_eX
Alright, almost at $175k!
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Post by: DiabolicAl
 DaveC wrote:They seem to be talking about each sprue having 6 panels a single storey building 3 squares by 2 squares would need 16 panels to make so your not getting much more than 1 or 2 buildings to start but they have hinted that they will add more terrain sprues to the pledge levels later
That's what i was worried about. Oh well ill keep an eye on it, im sure the stretch goals will make it worthwhile but it is mainly the scenery i am interested in . Automatically Appended Next Post: Well that's 175k hit......
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Post by: SeanDrake
Next stretch revealed Kickstarter/con/mantic points exclusive Merc, fluff is he is the only known survivor of the plague looking for a cure before his body succumbs
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Post by: DiabolicAl
That looks pretty awesome, think id be too tempted to paint him in Omega Supreme colours though....
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Post by: Ronin_eX
Hmm very much S.T.A.L.K.E.R. meets pulp sci-fi. I like this guy. But man, I am chomping at the bit to see some Forge Fathers. Not being intimately familiar with Dreadball, how long did it take for new faction starters to show up?
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Post by: Triszin
for me, the rebels are wha ti always wanted the tau to be
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Post by: Earth Dragon
I'm not liking that what they could do in $15k with dreadball is taking them $25k for deadzone. There is enough stuff I want, but this really is suspect......
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Post by: Barzam
I'm going to go ahead and repost this idea here, too. I'd like to see a survivors set. This could be done as a KS exclusive faction or something. It could be something that could be played as an actual force or be used as glorified objective markers. My idea would be, at its base a 6 figure set: x2 civillian engineers with modified mining equipment (ala Dead Space), x2 scientist types in Haz-Mat suits, x1 security officer with a heavy/special weapon (probably a flamer), and as a commander, a scientist in a lab coat. They could be used as the remnants of the excavation team from the Twitter storyline.
And as add-ons, they could have alternate engineers, lab personnel, or security officers.
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Post by: Azazelx
Alpharius wrote:I think it has been fairly well established at this point that most of what Kicktraq projects is in fact quite worthless.
Still, this one is doing very well indeed - and they've still got a good 9 or 10 hours of Prime USA Time to go!
Kicktraq becomes relevant through about day 10-24. These projects always start with a big bang, then as they taper off, KT becomes much more useful. Automatically Appended Next Post: scarletsquig wrote:Something just occured to me about the Enforcer Captain - If he had a cigar in his mouth, his pose would actually look pretty good, and give off more of a badass "I'm standing on the charred corpses of the enemy" vibe.
I think I'll be green-stuffing one on to mine.
I think if he has arm transplants it would fix a lot of the issues. Automatically Appended Next Post: H.B.M.C. wrote:Shouldn't the caption read "Why are my arms growing out of the sides of my head?".
He went to Terminator School. Automatically Appended Next Post: DiabolicAl wrote:Another thing that confuses me. The $65 Dollar 'Boxed Game' pledge say s it contains 18 models. The $100 pledge seems to contain less? I think the contents could more clearly described. Still exciting stuff.
The $100 pledge probably has more, but they'd be currently hidden as "fake stretch goals". Automatically Appended Next Post: Earth Dragon wrote:I'm not liking that what they could do in $15k with dreadball is taking them $25k for deadzone. There is enough stuff I want, but this really is suspect......
Don't look at their Kings of War kickstarter in that case...
This ties in with the whole "entitlement" argument though - not many people would have pledged at the current EB levels if we knew that this would be all we're getting, because as it stands, the value is pretty poor. People have pledged at this level with a complete expectation of gakloads of extra stuff to be added on. Dreadball was exactly the same.
The problem comes when campaigns like this are compared to ones where the creator is legitimately putting in as much as they can afford to all the way through. Say, Red Box. The thing is, well, how are we supposed to decide which company is really putting it all in upfront, and which ones are holding back? (Remember, Mantic is very small as well). Then there's the back-and-forth between people saying "you should have been happy with it when you backed it" and others expecting more loot from companies that aren't holding back.
I personally like a good deal, but I'm happier when it's all a bit more upfront despite this meaning less (or no) "fake stretch" goals and less "fake free" stuff. Takes the guesswork out of backing, at least!
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Post by: scarletsquig
Ugh, we had all this "fake stretch goals" conspiracy nonsense with Dreadball, and it was proven to be a load of rubbish, they did actually need the money to get it off the ground or else it would have been another crappy release like Warpath 1.0 was.
Tooling hard plastic sprues (three of which have been done already, and very large ones too) is not a "fake goal", those things are in fact expensive, and it's the reason why almost zero companies make them.
We've just had Mantic make a non gothic/skullz version of GW's Cities of Death, for generic sci-fi, and with a lot more in the way of options and accessories.
You don't get ladders, walkways, firing platforms, bulkheads and battlements in the GW kit, this one is so much better, and more usable for any sci-fi game you want, extremely super-useful for Necromunda/ Infinity.
If you're not happy, just look at it as a terrain kickstarter and start to see the awesome side of it.
Anyway, I've updated the OP to include all the recent rewards and have made a KS comment reminding Mantic about the terrain add-on for you guys who only want to pledge for a full 6x4 table of the stuff.
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Post by: Ronin_eX
Besides, I figure you get a better effect from placing the stretch goals regularly and simply compounding the additional funds from smaller stretches in to the next larger ones. So while tooling a plastic sprue will easily eat a full "stretch-chunk" (yes, that is totally a term), something smaller like, say, a limited edition character is put in there more for pacing purposes because the stretch after may take up a larger chunk than a single stretch would allow.
This alleviates an issue a lot of Kickstarters have, and that is having unevenly spaced goals creating doldrums. With a regular allotment of goals (in this case $25k) you avoid overstuffing with a bunch of little things but are still able to pull out big stuff on a regular basis. So instead of having a free limited edition character sculpt after $5k-10k, you place it where it would normally go, but now that big $40k-45k stretch goal doesn't feel like it is an eternity away because its funding was compounded in to the previous level. Still achieves the same effect as having varied stretch limits but makes the pacing more regular.
This means less bellyaching about not updating fast enough when you slam through 3-4 small goals and less calls for showing what is next while slogging toward a far-off big goal. Seems to be working well enough so far.
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Post by: Black Nexus
really enjoying the journey so far, my pledge has got more models, better scenery and we are getting a funky survivor model...
just hoping for some addons to get now.
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Post by: Joyboozer
Are The Plague based on people who have watched Firefly?
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Post by: Pacific
Wow looks like I'm a bit late to this one! Woke up this morning, saw that I had missed all of the early bird pledges and so just spent the last 30 minutes reading through 15 pages or so in this section.
Have to say I expected it to be popular, but not to this level and it will be interesting whether it can get to Sedition Wars/Zombiecide type territory.
Because it's got a breath of Necromunda about it? The general improved perception of Mantic over the past 6 months or so since Dreadball?
In at $40 for the time being just to get my name on it, and then will no doubt bump it up to a level I later regret later on in the month..
Also, bloody brilliant that they have factored in free shipping for UK/US (speaking from an entirely selfish point of view! )
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Post by: NAVARRO
Looking at early days for the plastic terrain, they do seem less detailed or versatile than the very old Hexagon kits... wonder if that will change.
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Post by: scarletsquig
^ I own some of those old platformer/hexagon kits, they're versatile, but pretty ugly looking when it comes down to it (too many small parts, lots of highly visibly clips), and way more trouble than you'd expect to put together (dozens of really tiny, really fiddly parts and you really have to force the connectors).
They're not really very well scaled for practical 28mm gaming either, the edging pieces are too small to provide cover to 28mm minis, only coming up to their knees.
3" tiles with properly-sized battlement/edging pieces for minis to stand behind should make this much easier, plus overall I like the cleaner hard-sci fi design compared to the overly-busy hexagon kits which are pretty much 100% covered in rivets and random squares/triangles.
I wouldn't mind some 45 degree corners/ connectors for the mantic kit, to move things a little further away from the boxy look.
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Post by: Azazelx
scarletsquig wrote:Ugh, we had all this "fake stretch goals" conspiracy nonsense with Dreadball, and it was proven to be a load of rubbish, they did actually need the money to get it off the ground or else it would have been another crappy release like Warpath 1.0 was.
Tooling hard plastic sprues (three of which have been done already, and very large ones too) is not a "fake goal", those things are in fact expensive, and it's the reason why almost zero companies make them.
Proven? Really? Nothing was proven since as we said then, neither you nor I am privvy to Mantic's inner business workings. Besides, I'm more of the opinion this time around that they probably did need $250-300k to get it running to their satisfaction, and the initial goal was as fake as the stretches we're seeing so far. I've never said that Mantic aren't smart - and experienced with KS at this stage, and KS is a thing to be manipulated - those who are better at running campaigns will get a lot more money in the end.
Can we simply agree to disagree on it and skip the "fake stretch" argument section this time around? I figure it'd be for the best since we're not going to see eye-to-eye on this nor are we going to change each other's opinions on this point.
We've just had Mantic make a non gothic/skullz version of GW's Cities of Death, for generic sci-fi, and with a lot more in the way of options and accessories.
You don't get ladders, walkways, firing platforms, bulkheads and battlements in the GW kit, this one is so much better, and more usable for any sci-fi game you want, extremely super-useful for Necromunda/ Infinity.
If you're not happy, just look at it as a terrain kickstarter and start to see the awesome side of it.
We know you mostly love Mantic, but we might want ot reserve "so much better" until it's actually more than a prototype. It's certainly very promising, but Mantic have disappointed us before many times, and they will do so again. Cathorse was sadly something I was really pumped for. Until I saw it. I'm both optimistic and hopeful that the scenery will be very nice, but with their track record, "better" is a word best avoided, IMO. Hell, I like my 40k scenery not to all be covered in Skullz, since it often looks a bit stupid when overdone...
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Post by: Pacific
 NAVARRO wrote:Looking at early days for the plastic terrain, they do seem less detailed or versatile than the very old Hexagon kits... wonder if that will change.
The only thing those old kits had going for them were the price, always thought they were pretty crappy really!
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Post by: scarletsquig
Azazelx wrote:Proven? Really? Nothing was proven since as we said then, neither you nor I am privvy to Mantic's inner business workings.
Yes, proven. Go back and read the DB thread for a video of Ronnie waving a metal ref around in an early interview, and see ED's comments about seeing early designs with ref counters, and the plan for veermyn and forgefather teams to be metal.
We know you mostly love Mantic
Here we go again...
Mantic have disappointed us before many times, and they will do so again.
Gotta love blanket, nonspecific statements. Mantic have throughly impressed a lot of us, a lot of times, or there is no way in hell this would have raised ~$190k in 24 hours.
Can we simply agree to disagree on it and skip the "fake stretch" argument section this time around? I figure it'd be for the best since we're not going to see eye-to-eye on this nor are we going to change each other's opinions on this point.
I'm not the one who brought it up in the first place, neither am I the one who has posted several multi-paragraph posts on the topic here.
If you were serious about dropping the subject, you'd have pm'ed me and not posted a final "I'm right, end of discussion" post.
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Post by: Alpharius
Now that you've both had your "Final Word" it might really be a good time to let it go.
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Post by: streetsamurai
is there any word on at wich point new factions will be included ???
And also, will it be possible to switch factions included at the 150 $ levels, if/when theu get released?
thanks
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Post by: Buzzsaw
scarletsquig wrote:^ I own some of those old platformer/hexagon kits, they're versatile, but pretty ugly looking when it comes down to it (too many small parts, lots of highly visibly clips), and way more trouble than you'd expect to put together (dozens of really tiny, really fiddly parts and you really have to force the connectors).
They're not really very well scaled for practical 28mm gaming either, the edging pieces are too small to provide cover to 28mm minis, only coming up to their knees.
3" tiles with properly-sized battlement/edging pieces for minis to stand behind should make this much easier, plus overall I like the cleaner hard-sci fi design compared to the overly-busy hexagon kits which are pretty much 100% covered in rivets and random squares/triangles.
I wouldn't mind some 45 degree corners/ connectors for the mantic kit, to move things a little further away from the boxy look.
I may have missed it, but the hard plastic scenery, do you know if it is intended to be permanently assembled with plastic cement, or is it snap-together design?
The drone controller Enforcer model is very interesting to me... I wonder if there will be other drones then the ones that have been shown?
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Post by: scarletsquig
@Samurai: I seem to remember in the comments that they said this would be an option when new factions get released, or even for existing factions.
@Buzzsaw: Both, you can snap it together for flexibility, or glue it together for durability. I guess there might be some parts like the ladders etc. that need to be glued on, but I'm not entirely sure.
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Post by: Bolognesus
I'm guessing those walkways will need a quick dab of glue for sure, as well.
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Post by: Earth Dragon
Tempted to get a couple more Grogan
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Post by: Buzzsaw
Now we're talking!
If the Rebs Field Commander lives up to the concept art, she'll be a sure fire winner.
Odd though, the Ripper Suit is a great buy at $10 including 4 different arm load-outs, but the Grogan is $5 and you choose 1 weapon. Perhaps the Grogan's are distinct sculpts, rather then modular with different arms?
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Post by: Alpharius
Nice but...
...Where are the terrain add ons?!?!?
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Post by: Earth Dragon
Amazon is having issues, so payment additions aren't going through Automatically Appended Next Post:  Buzzsaw wrote:Now we're talking!
If the Rebs Field Commander lives up to the concept art, she'll be a sure fire winner.
Odd though, the Ripper Suit is a great buy at $10 including 4 different arm load-outs, but the Grogan is $5 and you choose 1 weapon. Perhaps the Grogan's are distinct sculpts, rather then modular with different arms?
I'm guessing it might be a backpack/arm positioning difference. Whatever it is, I'm taking advantage!! Those guys have great concept art
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Post by: Ulsif
It look likes I have a couple of Hurley Drones that I can use as an option
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Post by: NAVARRO
 Pacific wrote: NAVARRO wrote:Looking at early days for the plastic terrain, they do seem less detailed or versatile than the very old Hexagon kits... wonder if that will change.
The only thing those old kits had going for them were the price, always thought they were pretty crappy really!
Really? 
Well I have all 3 sets and all are awesome... only craked one open and did this with it....
http://s45.photobucket.com/user/NAVARROpt/library/MERCS
If I go wild with the 3 kits I can built endless stuff... the sound of 6 tiles sprues on the Mantic terrain does not sound more versatile than hexagon terrain...
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Post by: Alpharius
Yeah but, you're NAVARRO man - what can the rest of us hope to do with them?!?
Seriously though - VERY nice looking stuff!
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Post by: Triszin
i kinda wish there was a buy 3 get 1 free deal or just a 15 dollar deal for everything besides the leaders.
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Post by: Rolt
Thats really cool Navarro, shows what can be done with that old kit.
Looking around the comments sections of a few different KS it looks like Amazon paymeants are messed up as a whole, hopefully it'll be sorted soon.
Also looks like quite a few people are starting to ask for female Enforcers and even a female captain, I'd love to see that too TBH.
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Post by: Fenriswulf
ScarletSquig, do you know if there is any move to re-do the Enforcers and make them into a plastic sprue for figures, rather than using restic? If not, will these Enforcers be the same poses as the ones currently available for purchase?
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Post by: Cyporiean
 Fenriswulf wrote:ScarletSquig, do you know if there is any move to re-do the Enforcers and make them into a plastic sprue for figures, rather than using restic? If not, will these Enforcers be the same poses as the ones currently available for purchase?
Hard Plastic Enforcers are not likely until the Warpath Kickstarter.
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Post by: Fenriswulf
Darn. They'd really make themselves competitive with GW if they did re-do them and release them as a sprue. Could also fix some of the assembly problems people have with the current restic ones.
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Post by: adamsouza
Scientist level promises 18 plastic figures in 2 colors
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Has Mantic said how many scenery sprues will come in the base box ?
SCIENTIST Level says SCENERY SPRUES
RECON Level says 3x SCENERY SPRUES
STRIKE TEAM Level says 5x SCENERY SPRUES
Scientist uses the plural sprues, so I assume it come with more than one.
Since 1 Sprue allows you to make a 3 inch box, only including one feels like a slap in the face.
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Post by: Bolognesus
NAVARRO wrote: Pacific wrote: NAVARRO wrote:Looking at early days for the plastic terrain, they do seem less detailed or versatile than the very old Hexagon kits... wonder if that will change.
The only thing those old kits had going for them were the price, always thought they were pretty crappy really!
Really?
Well I have all 3 sets and all are awesome... only craked one open and did this with it....
http://s45.photobucket.com/user/NAVARROpt/library/MERCS
If I go wild with the 3 kits I can built endless stuff... the sound of 6 tiles sprues on the Mantic terrain does not sound more versatile than hexagon terrain...
IMO that looks extremely nice **despite** the kit used - and I think most of us know you're somewhat halfway good with a sculpting tool etc.
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Post by: Souleater
Given the speed at which this is going I think mantic are going to have to start doing faction sets for the races which we saw in Dreadball.
Which will be awesome in large amounts!
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Post by: adamsouza
I like the Platformer/Hexagoner Terrain kits.
By themselves, the platformer kits produce okay looking terrain that is small and fragile, unless you glue it together.
An equal amount of these mantic sprues will cover more table space, probably be more structurally sound, and hopefully cost less.
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Post by: scarletsquig
Amazon payments is back up, for anyone wanting to pledge.
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Post by: RoninXiC
Finally
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Post by: Alpharius
the horror!
I mean, there's only 36 days left to get in on this!!!
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Post by: Rolt
@Alp
Hehe yeah, I few hours lost will hardly kill this, its jumping up like crazy now theres a good chance it'll hit the next goal within the hour.
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Post by: Pacific
NAVARRO wrote: Pacific wrote: NAVARRO wrote:Looking at early days for the plastic terrain, they do seem less detailed or versatile than the very old Hexagon kits... wonder if that will change.
The only thing those old kits had going for them were the price, always thought they were pretty crappy really!
Really?
Well I have all 3 sets and all are awesome... only craked one open and did this with it....
http://s45.photobucket.com/user/NAVARROpt/library/MERCS
If I go wild with the 3 kits I can built endless stuff... the sound of 6 tiles sprues on the Mantic terrain does not sound more versatile than hexagon terrain...
Ok.. That's like a million times better than the stuff I managed with them!
So.. looking like the game will be played on a 2ft by 2ft board?
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Post by: scarletsquig
^ Yep, the small board size is actually intentional as part of the game design, Jake wanted it to feel claustrophobic and like there's nowhere to hide.
There's loads of pics of the first gen plague up on Remy's blog if anyone wants to take a look:
http://remytremblay.sculpture.over-blog.com/article-plague-lord-deadzone-mantic-117397772.html
Awesome model, I think it looks better in those pics than the painted version does.
Something which is kinda interesting, a quote from the page:
As you know I have made some enforcers few month ago for the warpath range, this times tye'll be tooled in hard plastic, and that's nice.
For this game I've sculpted the big guy for the plague, one of the new faction in the warpath universe.
He's quite big and ugly an will be in restic to insure the best details you could have at the lowest price.
Note that the head on the picture is slightly different of the one you'll have in the box, but only slightly.
And sorry for this horrible English message
I like the sound of that. Mantic said themselves that some hard plastic might be possible if the funding gets high enough, so we could be seeing some Enforcer sprues soon.
Or if it isn't being done through this KS (which will have individualized restic sculpts), then it looks like it'll happen later on as a general non- KS release for Warpath 2.0.
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Post by: RoninXiC
All of Remy's miniatures for Mantic are 10/10. His Dreadball stuff is just amazing.
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Post by: RiTides
Wow  . Yes it does. Much better!
Do you happen to know if that sculptor is doing the Nameless for Dreadball (and did he do all of the Season 2 teams, or just some of them?).
I really like his work and if I pledged for something like this, I'd feel much more confident if I knew what he, in particular, was sculpting.
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Post by: Black Nexus
remy didn't do any of the season 2 teams AFAIK or any of Season 3. the ogres and the most of the humans are his for Kings of War.
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Post by: streetsamurai
Decided to back it for 150$, the price is really good, and the product is orignial and contains no lame space skaven or space dorf. Eager to see the new races, especially the insects, terratons, jedah and nameless. Hopefully they put them in before the aforementionned lame space skaven or space dorf
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Post by: DiabolicAl
There goes 200k
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Post by: Ronin_eX
streetsamurai wrote:Decided to back it for 150$, the price is really good, and the product is orignial and contains no lame space skaven or space dorf. Eager to see the new races, especially the insects, terratons, jedah and nameless. Hopefully they put them in before the aforementionned lame space skaven or space dorf
I hope not, I'm backing this in hopes of awesome space dorfs. And from the sounds of those in the know, I don't think I'll be disappointed.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Off topic aside:
The nameless (& the multi hex player in the same style) is meant to be sculpted by the same guy who did John Doe
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Post by: Earth Dragon
Teratons!!! Come out of the woodworks folks. Lets get 225k today. Yeah.
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Post by: Ronin_eX
Nice, teraton brawler and snipers (and another 2nd gen I suppose). Can't wait to break through to that one.
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Post by: scarletsquig
RiTides wrote:
Wow . Yes it does. Much better!
Do you happen to know if that sculptor is doing the Nameless for Dreadball (and did he do all of the Season 2 teams, or just some of them?).
I really like his work and if I pledged for something like this, I'd feel much more confident if I knew what he, in particular, was sculpting.
As far as I know, Remy is sculpting 100% of the models for this KS. If it isn't 100% due to the KS exploding in popularity, it'll still be 80-90%.
Remy is a full-time employee of Mantic and he is the go-to guy for Warpath. So far, he has sculpted every single one of the Warpath models (yes, all of them!) except for the hard plastic forgefathers and marauders (steel warriors and grunts).
I read on the Mantic forums a few months ago that no-one other than Remy is allowed to make Warpath sculpts, to keep the overall design style consistent.
He's a fantastic sculptor. Whatever the concept art is, he makes a carbon copy of it in 3d, it's something he is extremely at doing.
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Post by: PsychoticStorm
Logical approach.
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Post by: The Dwarf Wolf
 Ronin_eX wrote:streetsamurai wrote:Decided to back it for 150$, the price is really good, and the product is orignial and contains no lame space skaven or space dorf. Eager to see the new races, especially the insects, terratons, jedah and nameless. Hopefully they put them in before the aforementionned lame space skaven or space dorf
I hope not, I'm backing this in hopes of awesome space dorfs. And from the sounds of those in the know, I don't think I'll be disappointed.
Seconde here... Space Dorfs and Space ratmans are welcome, just like Jedah and Insects (maybe some Asterians too).
And, considering how the those space dorfs are important for the scenario (the only alien race to fight the corporation and actually win), they must be around the corner.
Ronin: expect the less comon races to apear on the rebs faction. Teratons are there alredy...
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Post by: Ronin_eX
Hell, that's why I'm liking the Rebs. I get all my weird space opera aliens in one package but I still get the awesome space fantasy stuff in their own factions. Best o' both worlds. 
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Post by: Cyporiean
Rebs will be getting a number of races that were requested during the Dreadball Kickstarter, but did not get included as teams.
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Post by: scarletsquig
Here's the deadzone Q&A from Jake's blog, might be of interest:
Q: When will the rules be made public?
A: We’re aiming to put an Alpha version of the rules onto the Kickstarter by the end of next week (5th May).
D: I’m playtesting all weekend in-between writing up corrections, then it needs a day or two in layout to make it pretty and get the sample cards organised. The aim is to get a condensed version that will allow you to see the core rules and let us know what you think. It will contain examples of the different elements, but not all instances.
Q: What’s an Alpha?
A: An early version of the rules.
D: Rules normally progress through 4 main stages with smaller increments within them. The first is Proposal/Concept, then Alpha, then Beta and finally Release versions. I could call this a Beta (that’s what people normally call things that get released to the public regardless of their state), but realistically there are a number of things which still need to be addressed before we get there in my eyes.
Firstly, what is done? Well the core concepts and processes have been developed and the game works as something you can play – it’s just not been refined enough yet for me to be entirely happy. What has yet to be finished is the details and balancing of the many weapons, troop types, faction specific cards and so on. I’ve got roughs for most of these, they just aren’t all balanced yet. You can help with that.
Then there’s the Kickstarter. To a large extent you guys have the control of how much goes in the final Deadzone rulebook. I’ve proposed a raft of stuff to Ronnie, and he’s tipped a stack more ideas into the mix, but whether we can get them all done or not depends on how well the KS does. It all takes time and time is money. If we get the funding then well be adding more factions, “locals”, extended campaign rules and loads more as well as all the extra models, terrain sprues and suchlike you’d expect from a successful Kickstarter campaign. This means that I can’t really call the rules a proper Beat because I don’t even know what’s going to be in the final version yet!
So the Alpha will show you the kind of game Deadzone is and you can easily see where it’s going. If you’re interested you can even chip in and offer suggestions. Always happy to listen to good ideas
Q: Will the rules include… ?
A: Maybe.
D: The final contents of the rules (and the game in general) depends on the success of the Kickstarter. See my discussion above.
Q: Can I play without the board?
A: yes, with a few house rules.
D: If you really don’t like the idea of a board you could easily adapt the rules to a plain table. You need rules for movement, ranges and scatter and all can be derived from the grid measurements (movement and ranges) or borrowed from other games (scatter).
However, I personally see no real benefits and two distinct problems with doing this. Using a tape measure instead of the gridded board guarantees a slower game and also offers more opportunities for disagreements. I chose to use the board to make a slicker, faster and less fractious game as I like all those features.
If I see anything else from Mantic or its staff scattered around the internet, I'l make sure to repost it here so you all don't have to go looking.
My own observations on the rules:
- 2'x2' board and 3" tiles means an 8x8 board.
- There are 8 different tiles touching any single tile on a square grid (4 edges and 4 corners).
- d8's are used for the game.
So.. this means that a d8 can be rolled to determine scatter, and that two d8's can be rolled to randomly determine any location on the grid, e.g for placement of objectives, treasure crates etc.
Really good bit of game design, the d8's were chosen for a very carefully-considered reason.
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Post by: Black Nexus
i;m not expecting judwan in any meaningful way. they are pacifists after all.
asterians, forge fathers and nameless all have a place though IMHO, as do robots...
@ Scarletsquig
the plague 3rd gens don't look like remy sculpts to me. The enforcer have also been digitally built based on his designs, though tweaked to bulk out the knee by the looks of it. Shower curtain on the captain is a poor choice.
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Post by: Ronin_eX
I'm actually a fan of going grid-based. But then, a great deal of my favourite wargames are hex'n'chit variety. Wargames started off using boards and it is nice to see a resurgence of them lately. They make it easy to determine LOS, range and a load of other things without error and argument. So I'm all for the board. Hell it even works to help ease non-wargamers in. My wife is half interested mostly because of the board-game aspect, though it sounds like we might not be getting Veer-myn as a race (which would likely have been her choice).
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Post by: streetsamurai
not sure if i like the rebels gettin teraton and other alien that are playable factions. I would have like it more of they only got non-pc aliens.
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Post by: Bolognesus
 Black Nexus wrote:i;m not expecting judwan in any meaningful way. they are pacifists after all.
Oh I don't know. Medics, for a start perhaps? (one can hope)
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Post by: scarletsquig
^ Great idea, Judwan medic would be really cool, and fitting with their background.
Rebs are definitely the most interesting faction, the variety of different aliens is awesome.
Ideally the faction should have more different types of alien than the Mos Eisley Cantina!
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Post by: timetowaste85
At the Deadzone (Deadzone), Deadzone Cantina...The weirdest creatures you've ever seen-a. At the Deadzone, Deadzone Cantina: Grogans and blasters and old Judwan masters, at the Deadzone...
Please don't sue me, Richard Cheese.
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Post by: Pacific
Ronin_eX wrote:streetsamurai wrote:Decided to back it for 150$, the price is really good, and the product is orignial and contains no lame space skaven or space dorf. Eager to see the new races, especially the insects, terratons, jedah and nameless. Hopefully they put them in before the aforementionned lame space skaven or space dorf
I hope not, I'm backing this in hopes of awesome space dorfs. And from the sounds of those in the know, I don't think I'll be disappointed.
I too have high hopes for the Forge Fathers! Although, actually the one I like the most from this initial 4 is the marauders. Think the two arms holding the rifle looks ace, and the actual concept/design reminds me a lot of the pre-Brian Nelson Rogue Trader orks.
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Post by: Barzam
So, nobody likes the survivor faction idea?
I for one do like the Forgefathers. Hell, I even like their Sttel Warriors. It's kind of nice to have Dwarves with full armor. I wonder if maybe we'll get some of the specialists, like the Drakkarim in restic?
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Post by: recruittons
Only thing really keeping me out is that I don't want to spend the $150 for all 4 factions, but the $100 level only offers Enforcers and Plague (neither of which I like). If they were to have a $100 level with Marauders and Rebs, I'd be in in a heartbeat.
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Post by: Ronin_eX
Pacific wrote: Ronin_eX wrote:streetsamurai wrote:Decided to back it for 150$, the price is really good, and the product is orignial and contains no lame space skaven or space dorf. Eager to see the new races, especially the insects, terratons, jedah and nameless. Hopefully they put them in before the aforementionned lame space skaven or space dorf
I hope not, I'm backing this in hopes of awesome space dorfs. And from the sounds of those in the know, I don't think I'll be disappointed.
I too have high hopes for the Forge Fathers! Although, actually the one I like the most from this initial 4 is the marauders. Think the two arms holding the rifle looks ace, and the actual concept/design reminds me a lot of the pre-Brian Nelson Rogue Trader orks.
Oh my, yes, those marauders are marvelous. I'm not usually an Ork guy but I am lovingly painting all of them up and I may even end up playing them. Now I'm just stuck on if I want to paint them as a Goff homage or as Bad Moons. They just ooze old-school flavour. If the Forge Fathers never showed up (ancestors forbid) then they would be what I was buying in for.
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Post by: JoshInJapan
 recruittons wrote:Only thing really keeping me out is that I don't want to spend the $150 for all 4 factions, but the $100 level only offers Enforcers and Plague (neither of which I like). If they were to have a $100 level with Marauders and Rebs, I'd be in in a heartbeat.
Send a message asking if you can do this. The Mantic guys have a reputation for being extremely flexible in these regards.
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Post by: Black Nexus
they said they can't swap things out. sounds like there's a core box being made, the logistics would be a nightmare if the cor eproduct was being built in different specifications. More mistakes too...
Easy enough to pick up a scout and an additional faction starter when they are released as add-ons though, if Dreadball is anything to go by all of the individual items like the rulebook will be made available to purchase too.
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Post by: recruittons
True, but then I'm spending more than the $100. The Recon level has 3 terrain sprues, the softcover book, two factions, and some other extras for $100. Two faction starters are $80 by themselves. Seems like I'd probably have to spend more than the Recon level to get a book, 3 terrain sprues, the mat and counters.
Honestly, I might go for a single faction starter and wait for the rest to hit retail. I don't think I can pass up those Marauders
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Post by: Bolognesus
By the level of discount Mantic KSes tend to give once you'd otherwise buy a substantial chunk of the sweet spot level at retail, you might want to reconsider that before the end of the KS especially if you find the terrain interesting - they're hinting at adding more terrain in future stretches (instead of just replacing as they've done up 'till now...).
TBH that $50 difference is probably going to be less than the difference between buying now and buying retail if you want terrain and some of the extra thingamajiggies
... I do agree a marauders/rebs box would be nice to have as an option
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Post by: recruittons
A valid point, problem is, I'm not sure if I can at all budget $150 for the end of this project. 35 days is actually a couple of days after my birthday and I have plans around that time that will be sucking up substantial amounts of dollars. If I'm lucky, I'll have $150 to spend, because that $50 extra is actually a pretty decent value, even if I don't like most of the Plague and Enforcers.
I'll just have to keep my eyes peeled and see what opportunities present in the next month. Might even hit eBay and start unloading some collectibles. I still have a few Mass Effect and Guild Wars signed lithographs laying around...
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Post by: Mad4Minis
scarletsquig wrote:^ Yep, the small board size is actually intentional as part of the game design, Jake wanted it to feel claustrophobic and like there's nowhere to hide.
There's loads of pics of the first gen plague up on Remy's blog if anyone wants to take a look:
http://remytremblay.sculpture.over-blog.com/article-plague-lord-deadzone-mantic-117397772.html
Awesome model, I think it looks better in those pics than the painted version does.
Something which is kinda interesting, a quote from the page:
As you know I have made some enforcers few month ago for the warpath range, this times tye'll be tooled in hard plastic, and that's nice.
For this game I've sculpted the big guy for the plague, one of the new faction in the warpath universe.
He's quite big and ugly an will be in restic to insure the best details you could have at the lowest price.
Note that the head on the picture is slightly different of the one you'll have in the box, but only slightly.
And sorry for this horrible English message
I like the sound of that. Mantic said themselves that some hard plastic might be possible if the funding gets high enough, so we could be seeing some Enforcer sprues soon.
Or if it isn't being done through this KS (which will have individualized restic sculpts), then it looks like it'll happen later on as a general non- KS release for Warpath 2.0.
That mini is the only part of the whole game Im interested in.
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Post by: Bolognesus
Hey, it's in the add-ons already - go ahead and pledge away (I'm sure mantic will have a "shipping for add-ons only" price up before too long - was $5 for Loka, will probably be similar here
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Post by: Salacious Greed
Ok, so can anyone ask Manticore exactly how many sprues it took to make the terrain in the pictures that popped up last week? This would be a good gauge of what the 3 and 5 frames will give us. I'd like to know exactly how many I'm going to need to populate a board....
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Post by: Bolognesus
I believe the KS comments had it pegged at ~9 frames or so. (this assuming you build "full" buildings as opposed to keeping the backs of the buildings off so as to be able to reach inside - that way you'd need less). since they'll probably add a frame or two to the strike team level yet you'd probably be fine with that for what's shown in the pictures by the time this is over and done with
...of course, those of us wishing to populate entire infinity tables might have to reach a wee bit deeper into their wallets...
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Post by: scarletsquig
As a rule of thumb, people have calculated somewhere between 48-60 of the 3x3 terrain tiles to fill a 2x2 space with lots of multi-level terrain that's 1, 2 and 3 storeys high with connecting walkways.
So, that's 8-10 sprues (they each have 6 tiles) per 2x2 board or 48-60 sprues to completely pack a 6x4 board with the terrain.
It's looking quite likely that we'll get another 4 sprues for free with Strike Team, so that's 10 for starters if you're picking up the Strike Team level as well (and it can't hurt to, since that's going to be the best value part of the whole thing).
I'd imagine Mantic are just working out how to offer the sprues as add-ons, probably single sprues, and then a 10-sprue mega pack with a discount as well.
We won't know the price on that until tomorrow when the add-ons are sorted, but I'd estimate that completely jam-packing a 4'x4' Infinity/ Necromunda board should be in the region of $200.
Bolognesus wrote:Hey, it's in the add-ons already - go ahead and pledge away (I'm sure mantic will have a "shipping for add-ons only" price up before too long - was $5 for Loka, will probably be similar here
They've already added it, it's in the update. If you only want add-ons, shipping is $5, so just pledge for what you want + $5.
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Post by: Pacific
scarletsquig wrote:As a rule of thumb, people have calculated somewhere between 48-60 of the 3x3 terrain tiles to fill a 2x2 space with lots of multi-level terrain that's 1, 2 and 3 storeys high with connecting walkways.
So, that's 8-10 sprues (they each have 6 tiles) per 2x2 board or 48-60 sprues to completely pack a 6x4 board with the terrain.
It's looking quite likely that we'll get another 4 sprues for free with Strike Team, so that's 10 for starters if you're picking up the Strike Team level as well (and it can't hurt to, since that's going to be the best value part of the whole thing).
I'd imagine Mantic are just working out how to offer the sprues as add-ons, probably single sprues, and then a 10-sprue mega pack with a discount as well.
We won't know the price on that until tomorrow when the add-ons are sorted, but I'd estimate that completely jam-packing a 4'x4' Infinity/ Necromunda board should be in the region of $200.
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Well... (speaking for Infinity at least, and really Necromunda) having a table crammed full of terrain isn't necessary.
But, and again this applies to Infinity, this is going to be something that breaks the 'you must pay at least $25 for a building', almost cartel-like pricing that seems to pervade the whole industry for HDF terrain at present. I think that is the prospect that is really exciting a lot of people.
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Post by: PsychoticStorm
Well what CB did with Bandua was a good move in my opinion, the Q buildings pack 3 for 26 eu is a good price, what mantic will do with their buildings sprue with modularity and pricing will in my opinion further shape the terrain landscape.
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Post by: Black Nexus
definately. working on a 3x3 template is clever beacuse of the amount of different buildings everyone will be able to make.
hope they give away an extra sprue next, seems like a landmark goal for 1/4 million bucks.
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Post by: scarletsquig
Terrain-only pledge (and terrain add-ons) will be going up soon, Mantic just needs to talk a few things over with their factory before they can set a price.
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Post by: Eilif
recruittons wrote:A valid point, problem is, I'm not sure if I can at all budget $150 for the end of this project. 35 days is actually a couple of days after my birthday and I have plans around that time that will be sucking up substantial amounts of dollars. If I'm lucky, I'll have $150 to spend, because that $50 extra is actually a pretty decent value, even if I don't like most of the Plague and Enforcers.
This was my frustration as well. I was about to zero out my pledge but first I went and asked my gaming club if anyone wanted to split the pledge. I found three guys who each wanted one of the remaining factions (I wanted rebs). Now we're each getting a faction for a bit less than the cost of a "recon" single faction. and we have all the extra game material to divy up also.
Maybe you can find a buddy or three to go in with you.
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Post by: gohkm
Could somebody please point out to me where the shipping costs are stated on the main page? I haven't gotten my new glasses yet, so everything is still mostly a blur.
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Post by: PsychoticStorm
All of the pledge levels for Deadzone have standard shipping included for US and UK packages.
Rest of World: If you live outside of the US or UK, such as Canada, Europe or Australia, please add $5 for standard Royal Mail shipping. If you are ordering an Assault Team Package, please add $10. If you are ordering a Suppression Team package, please add $15, as your parcel will need to be sent by courier (see below) due to the size.
South America and Africa – Courier shipping is mandatory for these continents. Please add $15 for courier shipping.
Courier Shipping – any backer can upgrade their reward to include tracked courier shipping for $15.
Please note - you only need to include one of these levels. For example, if you are in the EU and want courier shipping, you only need to add $15. You do not need to add the $5 as well.
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Post by: gohkm
Ah, thank you. Looks like I'm in for this one, too.
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Post by: Eilif
NAVARRO wrote: Pacific wrote:
The only thing those old kits had going for them were the price, always thought they were pretty crappy really!
Really?
Well I have all 3 sets and all are awesome... only craked one open and did this with it....
http://s45.photobucket.com/user/NAVARROpt/library/MERCS
If I go wild with the 3 kits I can built endless stuff... the sound of 6 tiles sprues on the Mantic terrain does not sound more versatile than hexagon terrain...
Very nice job with the terrain. I agree that the kits are very nice.
The platformer kit makes nice structures, (as your model shows) but suffers from a wall requiring two pieces (one for each side) so the box makes less terrain than you might think.
The hexagon set does have visible clips, but I think they look just fine when constructed and painted. Here's something I did a few years back. Not my best work, but still pretty good.
I've also cut up alot of the panels to add detail to other models
The Chemical plant is another brilliant kit. You could make alot of neat stand alone 3"x3" pieces with it and it's an absolute gold-mine for adding detail to scratchbuilt and kitbashed models. Chemical plant bits show up on almost all my sci-fi and post apoc terrain.
http://chicagoskirmish.blogspot.com/2012/12/terrain-from-resale-shop-to-battlefield.html
Sum up, on their own, they might not be as impressive as CoD but their flexibility makes them really valuable additions to the collections of terrain builders.
All that said, I'm eagerly awaiting the Deadzone terrain which looks quite nice. My concern is that a 3"x3" box (what a single sprue seems to build) is not big enough to be usefull in other squad based games. Sounds like a building usable outside of the Deadzone game will need at least 2 sprues.
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Post by: Triszin
340 $ from getting the 22k goal. cant wait to see whats next.
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Post by: Rolt
Update: $250,000 – Additional Scenery!
Snipers are in! NEW Stretch Goal: Get more scenery!
Update #7 · Apr 28, 2013 · comment
You guys are the best! That’s tooling for the four Deadzone Specialists secured. Mental stuff!!
The Enforcer Sniper, Marauder Sniper, Alternate 2nd Generation and the mighty Rebs Teraton all locked in!
We’ve now added each to their relevant faction starter meaning Scout ($40) gets 1 extra model, Recon ($100) gets 2 extra models and Strike Team ($150) gets all 4 extra models! Remember these go into the Early Birds too - and in the case of the Assault Team and Suppression Team pledge levels, you get double and treble the number of stretch goal miniatures respectively!
If you want more of these great models, they are now available as extras for you to add-on to your pledge - it's easy to see that you might want more of the Teraton and the Enforcer Sniper!!
And the Plague 2nd Generation from earlier as well:
We know lots of you are holding out for more scenery and we will have scenery add-ons coming but for now, how about we just give you more?
To celebrate this major milestone, we’re giving away a free scenery sprue!
Your pledge levels already contain enough sprues to fill a gaming mat with some buildings and barricades, but we want to give you greater variety and enable you to make more elaborate constructs – so we are throwing in 1 additional scenery sprue into every pledge of Recon ($100) and up!
But what is on a hard plastic scenery sprue I hear you cry?
Well, this is entirely dependent on two things – the success of the campaign and continued negotiation with the toolmaker as to what we can squeeze on. The current talk is around 6 tiles per sprue plus connectors (and we have 2 sprues of different designs in addition to the Accessory Sprue, which features half walls, barricades, ladders, railings, crates, barrels and special connectors.)
This extra sprue will be a combination of wall tiles and some floor tiles, massively increasing the variety you get. You can further customize your constructs using the components from the Accessory Sprue - good times!
Let us know your comments below and please keep spreading the word - the more people who back this project, the better your rewards will get!
Enjoy
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Post by: Triszin
i hope this strecth goal gives addons for terrain sprues.
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Post by: scarletsquig
OP updated, Strike Team pledge is looking like great value already, $232 worth of minis for $150.
If dreadball is any indication, expect around $500 worth of free stuff by the time this is over.
Mantic go huge on the freebies, they are the most generous mini company on KS currently, and don't hold back and do "freebie but only if you buy an add-on" like CMoN does with its kickstarters.
So far only Reaper has managed to beat them on massive value in a Kickstarter, but that might change if they can get hard plastic minis up and running instead of restic.
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Post by: Alpharius
Terrain only and add-ons coming soon?
Get ready for this one to explode!
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Post by: Pacific
Don't know if anyone had posted the pic of these doods from the last update?
I'm finding the concept of the Rebs more and more appealing, have to say!
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Post by: streetsamurai
hopefully the terrain is compatible with the hexagons set, that would enable me to make some pretty awesome construction
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Post by: Barzam
Anyone else notice that the guy standing to the right is a new figure? He has a neutral stance and a pistol. I'd say maybe he was made from parts from the regular Enforcers kits, but those kits don't have legs in that stance, plus he'd have a wrist blade, so I'm betting we may be seeing this guy in a future stretch goal.
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Post by: Rolt
Yeah I was wondering if hes new, his legs are thicker than the current Warpath Enforcers, more in line with the Deadzone version, plus his right hand has a small piece of kit on it (notice the cable?), could be a power-fist type weapon.
Oh and I forgot to add this in my last update, new add-ons:
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Would love to see some Teratons with combat/riot shields and pistol shotguns.
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Post by: Compel
I did a bit of maths earlier... The Games workshop building kits are 3" by 2" - So, for sizes, 2 of the Deadzone squares are the same as 4 of the GW panels.
Some of the pics make them seem fairly small, but that's a pretty good size.
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Post by: DaveC
Updated Rebs image - has to be my favourite faction just for the variety
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Post by: Cyporiean
Ah.. I love 'Happy Feet' he is so adorable.
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Post by: Rolt
Liking the look of the guy at the back, I'm really impressed with the Rebs, if only GW took the same approach with the Tau and actually emphasized the idea of a multi species army rather than shunning it aside.
Also female aliens please Mantic.
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Post by: Triszin
lol @ cypor's comment
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Post by: Rolt
Really???
How did you know, is in the fluff or update discription? I haven't seen it myself, or at least I hope your joking, if not I've probley just put my foot in my mouth again.
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Post by: Earthbeard
Good
Queue hosts of NO BOOBS, NOT WOMAN!
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Post by: Alpharius
Let the record note - you started it!
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Post by: Rolt
Ugh I hope not, but in all seriouness it would be great if they could design some female aliens who aren't just human girls with green skin, but had distinct feminine features in a "different" way.
Don't ask me how to design that, I wouldn't know where to start.
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Post by: streetsamurai
I guess the female terraton he's refering to is the one in the new updated picture for the rebel faction and not the terraton brawler
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Post by: Cyporiean
No inside info this time, other then having seen the brawler before most folks.
But seriously, its an alien lifeform of non-mamalian origin.. its race's females shouldn't have breasts.
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Post by: Commander Cain
I would like to see Mantic post up some pictures of exactly how much terrain we could build from the standard kit. As it is I am having a really hard time visualizing exactly what it contains. It seems odd that they are listing the amount of stuff in terms of sprues rather than buildings, guess it will all become clear in the end...
Oh, and a shout out to Scarletsquig for keeping the first post so neat and tidy, much appreciated mate!
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Post by: Earth Dragon
 Cyporiean wrote:No inside info this time, other then having seen the brawler before most folks.
But seriously, its an alien lifeform of non-mamalian origin.. its race's females shouldn't have breasts.
Dear lord. Some one gets it!!! Boobs are not only exclusive to mammals, but "tits" ALSO do not look like "human boobs" on most mammals.
So the people complaining about wanting females, just say what you really want.......boobs. You aren't fooling anybody but yourself and the people you are in league with. And this isn't just the dudes. Gals are often the worst offenders.
I'm glad the Teraton is female. I was pointing out in the KS comments that most "Alien" females won't look like "females". They'll probably just look different from THEIR males. Just like Elk, Lions, and Peacocks.
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Post by: timetowaste85
How do you know they're female? Did you, uh, go into the Deadzone and lift their skirts?
Sorry, just saw Jurassic Park in 3D, it was required.
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Post by: PsychoticStorm
Earth Dragon wrote: Cyporiean wrote:No inside info this time, other then having seen the brawler before most folks.
But seriously, its an alien lifeform of non-mamalian origin.. its race's females shouldn't have breasts.
Dear lord. Some one gets it!!! Boobs are not only exclusive to mammals, but "tits" ALSO do not look like "human boobs" on most mammals.
So the people complaining about wanting females, just say what you really want.......boobs. You aren't fooling anybody but yourself and the people you are in league with. And this isn't just the dudes. Gals are often the worst offenders.
I'm glad the Teraton is female. I was pointing out in the KS comments that most "Alien" females won't look like "females". They'll probably just look different from THEIR males. Just like Elk, Lions, and Peacocks.
Aren't you too totalitarian and absolute in your ideas of what people really want?
Personally I did not comment on alien females but human females and I am quite happy if they keep the Halo approach (try to figure who is the female spartan with helmet on) I just found idiotic in a sci fi setting to not have mixed gender forces and find the "all male special task force" too stuck in the past and GWesque.
Is the teratron male or female? I wouldn't know without some background and paint, reptiles tend to be roughly the same maybe the males have some brighter colour spots ectr, I do not know, it is an interesting point for mantic to develop in the background.
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Post by: Aeneades
 Commander Cain wrote:I would like to see Mantic post up some pictures of exactly how much terrain we could build from the standard kit. As it is I am having a really hard time visualizing exactly what it contains. It seems odd that they are listing the amount of stuff in terms of sprues rather than buildings, guess it will all become clear in the end...
They are still in discussions when the factory as to how much they can squeeze into each sprue which is why they only refer to sprues rather then building count. Sounds like discussions should be finished by next week and hopefully they will then be able to provide more information / pictures.
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Post by: Compel
Though, you can guesstimate it as.
At the moment, we're talking (up to) 6 3" by 3" tiles per sprue.
This is roughly equivalent to 24 Games Workshop panels
However, one thing to remember is that the Deadzone tiles can be used for the roofs as well, whereas GW ones have separate pieces for that.
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Post by: Micky
When i first saw the kickstarter I have to admit i was a tiny bit put off by the price. I know intellectually that its a great deal, but even so... It makes me hesitant.
Still. Lots of time left =)
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Post by: Kalamadea
Damn, was gonna wait on this one and see how much free stuff was coming, but decided to jump in anyways. Thankfully this'll end on a different pay period than the Robotech KS, or I'd REALLY be in trouble. Hardly the first time I've lived off hot dogs and ramen.
Originally it was just the enforcers I was really looking at, but those rebels are getting cooler and cooler and cooler. Totally digging the mixed races thing they got going, I really hope they run wild and go super over the top with the idea and just completely Farscape up the faction! OOOH! they need a not-John Crichton KS exclusive model!
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Post by: Barzam
I've got a good way the Terratons' gender can be told apart. Give the males feathers. kind of like how the Skirmishers in Halo have them. I think that would actually be kind of cool.
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Post by: streetsamurai
if this terraton is female, hopefully they make the male variant noticeably different. If not, I wonder what's the point of calling it a female or a male. A head crest, like male yemen chameleon have would be great imo.
Quick question for those in the know, are the mpdels supposed to be generic , or are they all named characters. I think it's the former, but just want to be sure, as if it's the later, it would seriously make be consider unpledging.
thanks
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
To clarify, if I just want, say, the big mutant, the sniper and Mr. Arms-from-my-Head, I can just get them and not the whole game?
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
I hate weekends on Kickstarter.
Nothing much happens.
Extra sprues are nice (and most likely necessary) but I love seeing what new figures they're going to unveil.
I hope once they've got the rules up we get a good idea of how many figures we might be needing. Then again who knows how many extra ones we'll end up with by the end of the kickstarter....
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Post by: greenskin lynn
H.B.M.C. wrote:To clarify, if I just want, say, the big mutant, the sniper and Mr. Arms-from-my-Head, I can just get them and not the whole game?
looks that way to me
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Post by: scarletsquig
H.B.M.C. wrote:To clarify, if I just want, say, the big mutant, the sniper and Mr. Arms-from-my-Head, I can just get them and not the whole game?
Yes, add $5 to cover shipping, then just pledge for the add-ons you want.
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Post by: Pacific
The thread is starting to degenerate .. who was it who made the alien females comment, and is it possible to suggest that you are banned from Dakka for life?
 Micky wrote:When i first saw the kickstarter I have to admit i was a tiny bit put off by the price. I know intellectually that its a great deal, but even so... It makes me hesitant.
Still. Lots of time left =)
Going on your country flag, Isn't it possible to play this entire game and set up a board full of terrain for like the price of a single box of tactical marines from GW?!
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Post by: Riquende
streetsamurai wrote:Quick question for those in the know, are the mpdels supposed to be generic , or are they all named characters. I think it's the former, but just want to be sure, as if it's the later, it would seriously make be consider unpledging.
I haven't heard anything one way or the other but I would presume the former.
But I have to ask why you'd be unpledging if Mantic have named the models?
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
Because no one wants to play as Horace. That would be heresy.
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Post by: Denilsta
And Horus would be a bit upset to!
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Post by: Vengenaces
mispost!
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Post by: Black Nexus
think the idea is you build the character behind your squad, so imagine you'll be naming them. much like db i guess.
i think they then introduce named characters through the mercs idea.
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Post by: streetsamurai
completely irrationnal, but it hinder my immersion in the setting.
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Post by: Riquende
This campaign really needs that terrain-only pledge level added in, or at least some terrain sprue add ons. I know Mantic are probably waiting for the makeup of the terrain sprues to be finalised before putting that sort of thing up but it'll be a handy shot in the arm when it happens.
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Post by: Cryptek of Awesome
A little OT - but at Christmas my GF asked my friends what she should get me. It turns out they have atrocious spelling because on Christmas morning she apologized to me because she couldn't find any books by my favorite author, Horace Herssy.
Back OT - 250K - I can feel it happening today.
Just for the record we're still not 100% clear on how much the current terrain sprues cover- or has mantic clarified that somewhere?
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Post by: Lansirill
100% clear, no. But they've stated in the main KS page that they're looking at 6 3 inch tiles per sprue, which would give you one complete 3" x 3" x 3" cube building per sprue, more if you make larger buildings, don't use floors, and leave backs out for access.
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Post by: Rolt
Micky wrote:When i first saw the kickstarter I have to admit i was a tiny bit put off by the price. I know intellectually that its a great deal, but even so... It makes me hesitant.
Still. Lots of time left =)
Trust me Micky as Squig has mentioned the $100 - $150 levels will be well worth their money by the end of this (well providing you like the models), just look at the $150 level of dreadball for a prime example.
Dreadball $150 mark :
Deadzone will more likey than not end with similar value, plus terrain. Incidentally were only about 7k from the next goal, can't wait, I would imagine the next goal will be another starter box expansion, I do wonder just how many miniatures Mantic intend each faction starter to have, it currently stands around 8-10 models (rough average) it would be great for that to go up to at least 12-16 and maybe then expand into new factions/bigger units, such as surpport armour, the deadzone video does show a corp mech after all.
@Pacific
Awww and I'll just starting to like it here, oh well best put my hobo boots on.
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Post by: nkelsch
Is there real public confirmation Remy will be doing 100% of the Deadzone line? I remember similar 'rumblings' for dreadball and once they took our money Remy didn't seem to be sculpting the rest of the MVPs or other teams. Swap out their A-team sculptor for some other person, and cathorse is born.
And they need to do more greens, they have almost nothing sculpted which is really disheartening. Almost every other kickstarter out there had a lot more sculpted or the score KS project sculpted by the end of the KS.
I think it is reasonable for them to have the 4 core factions starting stuff fully sculpted before the KS ends. Ideally they would have had it before it began.
Can someone confirm if when they mean 'Faction starters' for stretch goals, they mean the 'scout' package? Without the stretch goals, the value is terrible and some of the most expensive figures out there. Even with the stretch goals it is expensive but tolerable (if they can provide evidence fo them being good models)
So for 40$
- Marauder Faction Starter
- Kickstarter bonus: 1x Marauder in Ripper Armour ($10 RRP)
- Kickstarter bonus: 2x Marauder Bombers ($5 RRP)
- Kickstarter bonus: 1x Marauder Sniper ($5 RRP)
Total 10 Models
This is correct?
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Post by: Rolt
Yes Nkelsch all of the current starter faction box expansion goals include the $40 scout level and 10 models (currently) per faction box is about right.
Oh just ran across this, a little Q&A session with Jake Thornton on BGG, it's got some interesting tid-bits here and there.
Check it out: http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/968552/deadzone-faqs
Theres also a Deadzone contest up, you need a BGG account to enter:
Heres the link: http://boardgamegeek.com/contests/deadzone
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Post by: Vain
nkelsch wrote:And they need to do more greens, they have almost nothing sculpted which is really disheartening. Almost every other kickstarter out there had a lot more sculpted or the score KS project sculpted by the end of the KS.
Huh? So the basic two forces plus some additional stretch goal units (sniper/engineer/2nd Gens) already sculpted is not good enough?
Personally I think this is a better way. They have a clear direction they want to go with the first two factions and then some pretty cool concept art for the next levels. If people bitch (and boy will they bitch) Mantic can take the more sane parts on board and chance concepts prior to paying a sculptor to make it a reality. Is a bit of a good idea considering the whining people have made about Captain Grumpy-Pants' Terminator Arms.
I think it is reasonable for them to have the 4 core factions starting stuff fully sculpted before the KS ends. Ideally they would have had it before it began.
Considering that someone would have needed to be paid for that to happen it is not unreasonable to believe that would have meant this kickstarter would have been delayed until that level of money was made from their revenue streams, instead of having a clear mandate (and earlier timeframe) from this kickstarter. I am more than happy to have it done now, so I can see where they are going with the starter factions and see what the concept is for the follow ons.
If I like it, awesome!
If i think it is lame, then I will bring up some suggestions and hope people agree with me.
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Post by: nkelsch
Thanks. If they can get a Sculpt up for the core factions, And they look good, I would be in for a full unit of Ripper suits and the snipers. But I need to see sculpts.
40$ for all the faction's stretches may make it worth it.
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Post by: Chaplain Pallantide
I am debating making this my first kickstarter, but I was wondering if one of you kickstarter vets could tell me how it works? How do you pay for it? Is it through amazon? If so can you use amazon gift cards?
Sorry for being off topic, but this one (or another kickstarter which shall not be named) might push me into pledging for the first time.
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Post by: Barzam
I think there's more to this game that's been sculpted than people realize. From the pics we saw from, what was it? Adepticon? We saw that they pretty much have the entirety of the Enforcers sculpted and the Plague. I'm willing to bet that they already have some of the Marauders and Rebs actually sculpted up or that they will be soon. And as I mentioned earlier, there's at least two Enforcer sculpts that are currently unaccounted for, so it stands to reason that there are likely other units for the Plague and who knows what else that we haven't seen yet as well.
Also, I'm really hoping we get some more basic troops added to the Plague. They could use some traditional shambler zombies.
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Post by: Rolt
Hi Chaplain Pallantide
Okay, yes you do need an amazon account with a credit card registered and you can't use gift cards, a real shame TBH. Once you have you amazon account you'll need a KS account, once thats done you can pledge for a project. In order to pledge select a reward from the right hand side bar and it'll take you to a comformation page were you can adjust the amount of money your pleaging for at the selected reward level/tier, you can change this at any point and add additional funds for things like "add-ons" and what not. You won't be charged paymeant untill the kickstarter ends and you can change the pleage amount and pleage tier or even cancel you pledge altogether unitll the end, .
Just a word of advice, if your really interested in this project go for the $100 or $150 level (tier), those are the sweet spots that will gain all of the extras that get funded during this KS.
Phew.... I hope that helps. 
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Post by: Alpharius
 Chaplain Pallantide wrote:I am debating making this my first kickstarter, but I was wondering if one of you kickstarter vets could tell me how it works? How do you pay for it? Is it through amazon? If so can you use amazon gift cards?
Sorry for being off topic, but this one (or another kickstarter which shall not be named) might push me into pledging for the first time.
This is another good place to check:
http://www.kickstarter.com/help/faq/kickstarter%20basics
That should do it for you.
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Post by: Cyporiean
Barzam wrote:I think there's more to this game that's been sculpted than people realize. From the pics we saw from, what was it? Adepticon? We saw that they pretty much have the entirety of the Enforcers sculpted and the Plague. I'm willing to bet that they already have some of the Marauders and Rebs actually sculpted up or that they will be soon. And as I mentioned earlier, there's at least two Enforcer sculpts that are currently unaccounted for, so it stands to reason that there are likely other units for the Plague and who knows what else that we haven't seen yet as well.
Also, I'm really hoping we get some more basic troops added to the Plague. They could use some traditional shambler zombies.
That was Salute, at Adepticon we just got KOW sculpt previews and Deadzone Concept Art.
Have they shown the 3rd Generation Plague yet?
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Post by: decker_cky
Third generation plague is just the basic plague 'cronies'. The 4 'normal' guys in the basic crew are 3rd generation.
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Post by: Lansirill
cathorse
Okay, what *is* cathorse? I'm assuming its a terrible sculpt, but it keeps getting thrown around and I'd like to know.
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Post by: nkelsch
 Lansirill wrote:cathorse
Okay, what *is* cathorse? I'm assuming its a terrible sculpt, but it keeps getting thrown around and I'd like to know.
The issue is a lot of people who bought faction specific-armies for KoW, Now that the sculpts are done, people are wanting to change their pledge because the models made are unacceptable and do not match the concept art.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/300/445605.page
Page 10 and 11, the werewolves, golems, ogres, Cathorse, lots of things people have issues with and disappointed pledges. More examples of why awesome concept art is consistently failing to be quality models, so "Buyer Beware". Pledge with the expectation the models may turn out great, or turn out not great, unless they can provide sculpts.
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Post by: scarletsquig
^ You're padding that out a bit.
Haven't seen anyone disappointed with the ogres or golems, in fact I've seen lots of people happy with them.
And 90% of the complaints about the werewolves consist of over a dozen posts from Bob about their nipples.
I like cathorse, the issue with regular feline anatomy is that it isn't designed to hold a rider.. one of the reasons why the GW mournfangs look so odd.
Anyway, my point is, on the whole, most people who have backed Mantic Kickstarters are pretty happy with what they've gotten.
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Post by: Slinky
I like the cat too.
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Post by: decker_cky
scarletsquig wrote:Anyway, my point is, on the whole, most people who have backed Mantic Kickstarters are pretty happy with what they've gotten.
Also, most people I've seen wanting to change pledges have been people wanting different miniatures from those they pledged for because something else catches their eyes. The disappointment is loud, but seems to be from a pretty small minority.
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Post by: Bolognesus
I really, really hoped for monstrous-sized cat cav - which is why I wasn't all that happy with the cats. I still like them all right and am still getting a bunch The werewolves are fine with the nipples adjusted, though opinions on those are mixed, generally.
The only complaints I've heard over either the golems or the ogres come from folks like nkelsch, who seem to be rather preoccupied when anything mantic is involved.
Especially the ogres are getting quite good press, actually.
perhaps, to be way more charitable than is reasonably needed here, nkelsch meant to refer to the trolls? those have their detractors; I kind of like them despite the small legs but opinions on those are divided as well.
They follow the concepts and progress in such as shown during the KS reasonably well, IMO - I'm no less a fan of them than I expected to be originally (and I'll only get the 9 total from pledge rewards but I think I llike them well enough to paint them regardless).
most folks who actually pledged, or aren't infused with some anti-mantic bias we've come to expect from a small number of posters actually like a majority of the sculpts. Do I, or others, like all of them? Not really. but for the $225 level freebies it's still an insane deal even if I were to chuck half of them right away (and I only dislike one in five or so, so go figure ) and Mantic will allow any backer to switch BOGOFs before this wave is shipped out.
I really don't see where the vitriol is coming from here.
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Post by: nkelsch
Bolognesus wrote:
most folks who actually pledged, or aren't infused with some anti-mantic bias we've come to expect from a small number of posters actually like a majority of the sculpts. Do I, or others, like all of them? Not really. but for the $225 level freebies it's still an insane deal even if I were to chuck half of them right away (and I only dislike one in five or so, so go figure ) and Mantic will allow any backer to switch BOGOFs before this wave is shipped out.
I really don't see where the vitriol is coming from here.
When I back a KS or buy models, I don't like the attitude of 'Hey, you got so many things for cheap, you should just chuck the models you don't like.' Other KSs don't have that attitude and we don't get told to 'suck it up, throw out the models you don't like'.
I also don't like bold-face lying when they produce an inferior sculpt, the people who funded the sculpt provide constructive feedback before the molds are made and there is a chance to fix it, and then they say "this isn't 100%, we will fix it' or the bucket brigade tells us it 'looks better in person'. And then we find out they did nothing. Now they won't even share WIP because they have no interest in getting feedback. They got our money, they don't care what we think. I do not care for that attitude from a Kickstarter. I like when KS show us every WIP as it crosses the table, keep us in the loop and address our feedback. Tons of other MINI companies are handling themselves this way and Mantic is a stark contrast to it.
I was drastically unhappy with the quality of casting and sculpts from Dreadball Season 1. I am even more upset because it was preventable, both in QCing the models themselves as well as taking feedback on the WIP sculpts or only allowing the talented, consistently reliable sculptors to do the models. Dreadball season 1 could have been a home run, but they failed. I am hoping Season 2 is better and If it is, it is because of the very valid criticism and comparisons to their peers in the industry they have been getting regardless how the bucket brigade attempts to whitewash everything.
No matter how you slice it, inconsistent sculpts and non-faithful representation of concept art is a HUGE issue for mantic right now which makes backing 200$ of models based off thumbnail sketches only is a super scary prospect.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
scarletsquig wrote:^ You're padding that out a bit.
Haven't seen anyone disappointed with the ogres or golems, in fact I've seen lots of people happy with them.
And 90% of the complaints about the werewolves consist of over a dozen posts from Bob about their nipples.
Actually, my complaints have always been about the crappy proportions, the mighty mouse torso, the arms being longer than the legs (which is not a feature on a man or a wolf), the poses that would embarrass zombies. The nipples are just the icing on the nipp--er, cake. It's just way too easy to throw in a free nipple stretch ...goal/joke to a post. I'll try to clamp down if it's bothering you.
Seriously, if the nipples were the only deviation the model suffered from the concept art, I'd be ecstatic. After all, it's not very hard to scrape some nipples with a razor. It'd take me back to that time I dated a professional dominatrix in college. Like riding a bicycle and all that.
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Post by: Pacific
Have to say, you've certainly got an .... interesting (?) slant on things nkelsch 
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Post by: judgedoug
Dreadball Season 1 was a homerun for me. Loved all the sculpts and had minimal issues with the models. Shrug.
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Post by: overtyrant
I must admit it does seem to be a vocal minority that seem to be unhappy with Mantics KS and they are very welcome to there opinion just like anyone else (even though its a wrong opinion lol!). Take me for example I am VERY happy of what I have received from the Mantic KS and am looking forward to this one!
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