MadCowCrazy wrote:
Got some bad news, some random guy on 4chan said that the models in Imperial Agents are the old metal models. IF this is true then that's really bad news as it could mean we won't be seeing sisters for a LOOOONG time :(

Well, the credibility of "some random guy on 4Chan" is definitely something left to be desired.

I wouldn't care much about how sisters are in imperial agents. My impression so far was that it only has basic sisters and a canoness...maybe. Just because reasons.
The only reason I would pick up the book is for assassins and inquisitorial stuff all in one hardback book, or even softback, point being I get the rules in a physical format XD. Sisters are going to get their own book eventually with a model release.

Alternatively we get this now, and later a campaign book supplement to add to this codex which adds in all the sister stuff. That would kinda work for me too. Although I'd still prefer an ecclesiarchy dex or a new witch hunters dex. I preferred having one book per inquisitorial wing rather than making them all their own thing with assasins in yet another book etc.

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
Got some bad news, some random guy on 4chan said that the models in Imperial Agents are the old metal models.

Um... of course they are. What did you expect - a full new plastic range in a compilation of smaller imperial factions without an own non-digital codex? There are no new Plague Marines or Emperor's Children for Traitor Legions as well.

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
some random guy on 4chan

Oh, in that case, let's all panic/cheer/hide in our bunkers.

Reaally got some bad news for people expecting new models in Imperial Agents.
It will be current metal models and conversions.
Mark it as scripture, save this post if you want it, mark and remember.
But do not read more into it than there is.
Good stuff is on the horizon.

I didn't really expect to see new miniatures in this book. I mean, if that was the case, the new miniatures would come with the book/just before.

And I don't care to see the old metal ones or even conversions. After all, that's what I already have. As long as there are AT LAST new rules for sisters of battle, even if it's just a new detachment or formation or updated relic/warlord trait table, if there is something, anything, I will take it.

No, I'm not desperate, stop looking at me with these eyes!

No new models released with TL or Imp Ag in December. 2017 however, is supposedly pretty sweet. But only certainty is no new models with these two books the weeks of release.

 VeteranNoob wrote:
No new models released with TL or Imp Ag in December. 2017 however, is supposedly pretty sweet. But only certainty is no new models with these two books the weeks of release.

So there we go, confirmation that there are no new models in the Imperial Agents Codex

So basically a cash grab repackaging of existing content before 8th edition then?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
So basically a cash grab repackaging of existing content before 8th edition then?

Maybe - this would mean the campaign books or Traitor Legions are, too. But we don't know anything about 8th edition - how it works, what books/rules will be obsolete... Or if the rules in this book are revised/updated.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
So basically a cash grab repackaging of existing content before 8th edition then?

If any of the previous releases are anything to go by, there will be detachments, formations, warlord traits, artifacts, and potentially more army-specific special rules. I highly doubt this is just reprinting Inq/SoB/GK.

I'd love to see some new formations for inquisition.

Requizen wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
So basically a cash grab repackaging of existing content before 8th edition then?

If any of the previous releases are anything to go by, there will be detachments, formations, warlord traits, artifacts, and potentially more army-specific special rules. I highly doubt this is just reprinting Inq/SoB/GK.

Potentially new wargear/relics like Legions are getting. Seems like one thing they will update without requiring new models.

Requizen wrote:

If any of the previous releases are anything to go by, there will be detachments, formations, warlord traits, artifacts, and potentially more army-specific special rules. I highly doubt this is just reprinting Inq/SoB/GK.

My expectation is a book that will allow you to take single squads or characters of some imperial factions in your codex army without taking allies (GK, SoB, Wyrdvane psykers etc). Assassines are probably just a reprint, Inquisition too.

Seems to be mostly a fluff book... getting us ready for the 8th Edition version of the General's Handbook.

I expect every unit to be a reprint.

A new Codex without a miniature release?

Sounds strange.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
So basically a cash grab repackaging of existing content before 8th edition then?

Not at all.
It is an update for factions that need parity with current armies.
It is a cheap book, if it was a cash grab they could have gone far more expensive.
Models will come.
People have just been spoiled lately.

 BloodGrin wrote:

People have just been spoiled lately.

The only spoiled people are SM players, everyone else has to wait years for updates. As a Sisters player I must say we have been far from spoiled over the years...

The real question is how much of a beating does Cortez take in this new codex.

All joking aside there are a lot of inqusitor retinue models in metal that I seriously doubt all of them make it through.
Demon hosts
Joekero
Acolyte
Arco-flagellant
Crusaders
Death cult assassins
Ministorium priest
Mystic
Psyker
Servitor
Servo-skulls

There is no way all the above make it out of the discontinued metal bin alive!!!

Of those I'd guess Daemon Host, Acolyte and Mystic are left in the recycling bin...

Daemon hosts used to be really cool, now they are just complete garbage. Really love the concept of them and they had some half decent models to boot.
Acolytes you can make with many different kits these days so doubt they'd get plastic.
Mystics just aren't worth their own kit so unless there was a large henchmen box with most/all henchmen I can't see them getting any love.

Daemonhosts never had good rules...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
A new Codex without a miniature release?

Woah how surprising, it's not like people had already mentioned it already. Maybe at that time you were just too busy complaining about all the new Chaos awesome plastic model releases and how it was unfair that Sisters were treated so much better.

Woah, down boy.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Woah how surprising, it's not like people had already mentioned it already. Maybe at that time you were just too busy complaining about all the new Chaos awesome plastic model releases and how it was unfair that Sisters were treated so much better.

Never did that, but nice try.

 BloodGrin wrote:
It is an update for factions that need parity with current armies.

Are you seriously suggesting it will give them that?

I just want to know and confirm that this is what you are suggesting will happen-- that these factions will be given parity with eldar, marines, and so on-- so that I can remember your name for the pointing and laughing and saying "I told you so" when you are inevitably proven wrong.

Seriously, that's just not gonna happen. All things considered, we're probably just going to have reprinted units from past codices, and any changes to them will be very minor.

I didn't think anyone was really expecting new models in this codex or around release. Jan/Feb was always the rumored date, IIRC.

All well usual story then................

Maybe the Sororitas will get something out of this - even if only formations to try and keep up with cheesed out 7.5 Edition Codexes.

This books provides the rules, datasheets, wargear and Detachments included to add members of the following operatives to any army of the Imperium; Adepta Sororitas, Tech-Priest Enginseers and Servitors, Valkyries, Battle Psykers, Astropaths, Priest, Deathwatch Kill Teams and Corvus Blackstars, Grey Knight Terminators, Nemesis Dreadknights, The Legion of the Damned, Assassins and Inquisitors

No custodians, no arbites. Just some models that, my guess, simply don't sell. Bleh.

Also, resin SOB CANONESS! Restricted abd available while stock lasts, sadly.

Where did you hear this?

Doubt it'll be a resin Canoness. Will be plastic, surely?

In the (in)famous video about Magnus they said "plastic sisters" not "resin", so I can understand the troll move againt people that continue asking for new sisters, but if they really do them I cannot understand why to not say the true material. So, or new plastic sisters or no new sister.

 CragHack wrote:
This books provides the rules, datasheets, wargear and Detachments included to add members of the following operatives to any army of the Imperium; Adepta Sororitas, Tech-Priest Enginseers and Servitors, Valkyries, Battle Psykers, Astropaths, Priest, Deathwatch Kill Teams and Corvus Blackstars, Grey Knight Terminators, Nemesis Dreadknights, The Legion of the Damned, Assassins and Inquisitors

No custodians, no arbites. Just some models that, my guess, simply don't sell. Bleh.

Also, resin SOB CANONESS! Restricted abd available while stock lasts, sadly.

and the source for this is?

Resin sisters are nonesense for one more reason: Citadel does not produce resin anymore, only Forgeworld does, but the new Imperial Armour has been postponed and in any case it will tells about Mechanicus vs Tau on a forge world, so I cannot see how Sororitas could be involved.

don't get me wrong I expect it to be a troll, but a new canoness was mentiont a few weeks ago on a fb page

 Ezr91aeL wrote:
Resin sisters are nonesense for one more reason: Citadel does not produce resin anymore, only Forgeworld does, but the new Imperial Armour has been postponed and in any case it will tells about Mechanicus vs Tau on a forge world, so I cannot see how Sororitas could be involved.

Well the same way that almost certainly there will be Marines (has to be marines right?) - they just write them in as part of the Crusade to defend or recover it.

 Ezr91aeL wrote:
In the (in)famous video about Magnus they said "plastic sisters" not "resin", so I can understand the troll move againt people that continue asking for new sisters, but if they really do them I cannot understand why to not say the true material. So, or new plastic sisters or no new sister.

Yeah, they were called Sisters of Silence

terry wrote:

 CragHack wrote:
This books provides the rules, datasheets, wargear and Detachments included to add members of the following operatives to any army of the Imperium; Adepta Sororitas, Tech-Priest Enginseers and Servitors, Valkyries, Battle Psykers, Astropaths, Priest, Deathwatch Kill Teams and Corvus Blackstars, Grey Knight Terminators, Nemesis Dreadknights, The Legion of the Damned, Assassins and Inquisitors

No custodians, no arbites. Just some models that, my guess, simply don't sell. Bleh.

Also, resin SOB CANONESS! Restricted abd available while stock lasts, sadly.

and the source for this is?

Well this list contains 11 factions not 9 so I am guessing it is a troll.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Ezr91aeL wrote:
Resin sisters are nonesense for one more reason: Citadel does not produce resin anymore, only Forgeworld does, but the new Imperial Armour has been postponed and in any case it will tells about Mechanicus vs Tau on a forge world, so I cannot see how Sororitas could be involved.

Well the same way that almost certainly there will be Marines (has to be marines right?) - they just write them in as part of the Crusade to defend or recover it.

Ecclesiarchy goes to save Adeptus Mechanicus? Improbable (but yes, not impossible). If they were attacked by some Chaos/cultist group I could tell that SoB were called by an Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor, but we are talking of Tau, the less chaotic race in the entire universe.

Kirasu wrote:Yeah, they were called Sisters of Silence

But they said Sister of Battle.

They lied to you, there is no such thing called plastic Sisters of Battle. The only thing that exists is crushed dreams and tears of defeat.

Lady Atia (could she sit at the right side of the Emperor) has a different opinion.

Chikout wrote:

terry wrote:

 CragHack wrote:
This books provides the rules, datasheets, wargear and Detachments included to add members of the following operatives to any army of the Imperium; Adepta Sororitas, Tech-Priest Enginseers and Servitors, Valkyries, Battle Psykers, Astropaths, Priest, Deathwatch Kill Teams and Corvus Blackstars, Grey Knight Terminators, Nemesis Dreadknights, The Legion of the Damned, Assassins and Inquisitors

No custodians, no arbites. Just some models that, my guess, simply don't sell. Bleh.

Also, resin SOB CANONESS! Restricted abd available while stock lasts, sadly.

and the source for this is?

Well this list contains 11 factions not 9 so I am guessing it is a troll.

Church: Adepta Sororitas, Priests
Ad Mech: Tech Priest
Navy: Valkyrie
Deathwatch: KillTeams / Corvus
Telepathica: Sisters of Silence, Astropaths
Grey Knights: Terminators and stupid baby carrier
Legion of the Damned
Inquisitors
Assassins

I make that 9?

Imperial Agents should really have the "advisors" from the Guard Codex but doubt it.

Ecclesiarchy goes to save Adeptus Mechanicus? Improbable (but yes, not impossible). If they were attacked by some Chaos/cultist group I could tell that SoB were called by an Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor, but we are talking of Tau, the less chaotic race in the entire universe.

The Ad Mech is still the Imperium in the Church's eyes - if they are attacked by a deviant Xenos race that's not ok.

The Sororitas can and do operate completely independently from the Church so they may have a ship in the area, they might part of a Crusading fleet, they might have been evacuated to the Forge world as the Tau invaded, lots of options.

GW has let a select few people have access to preview copies of the last 2-3 releases. I'd expect that someone out there has copies of the Imperial Agents book right now. Everyone is playing nice and not releasing things until the book is up for Pre-order. Good on them.
We will know a lot on the 10th, when the book comes up for Pre-Order.

 Anpu-adom wrote:
GW has let a select few people have access to preview copies of the last 2-3 releases. I'd expect that someone out there has copies of the Imperial Agents book right now. Everyone is playing nice and not releasing things until the book is up for Pre-order. Good on them.
We will know a lot on the 10th, when the book comes up for Pre-Order.

Some of them have already posted in this thread and confirmed the bad news... or so it would seem DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUU!!!!

Imperial Agents should really have the "advisors" from the Guard Codex but doubt it.

Eh. With the exception of the astropath, they're both dedicated military support officers. Unlikely to be working independently.

I'm shocked the Militarum Tempestus didn't make the list. They seem like a natural inclusion.

 Ezr91aeL wrote:
Lady Atia (could she sit at the right side of the Emperor) has a different opinion.

And I still don't care, because there's no proof that she is right, just guesstimations and "BUT BUT BUT I WANT HER TO BE RIGHT!!!!1111ONEONEWUN".

No one is obligated to buy in to your hype train. I want her to be right, too, but let's be realistic here. There's been a dozen rumors by people who "have to be right", including from GW's own design team, for over ten years now that there will be plastic Sisters. And without fail, every single one of them were wrong.

That's right. Every single rumor-monger that has ever suggested plastic Sisters of Battle so far has been wrong, with zero exceptions. And until there is actual evidence of plastic sisters-- even just a picture of them-- there's no reason to believe they are real. The word of one random person on the internet is not evidence, no matter how much you desire to believe in it.

If you won't believe one of the two most accurate rumour providers about their rumors, then what is the point in reading a thread about rumors?? Other than to be antagonistic, of course.

Vorian wrote:
If you won't believe one of the two most accurate rumour providers about their rumors, then what is the point in reading a thread about rumors?? Other than to be antagonistic, of course.

To feed on the suffering of others!

Vorian wrote:
If you won't believe one of the two most accurate rumour providers about their rumors,

 Melissia wrote:
I personnally, don't view ANY rumor posters offering vagaries and no real evidence to be 100% reliable. No one is an Oracle.

Vorian wrote:
then what is the point in reading a thread about rumors??

 Melissia wrote:
I check occasionally just in case someone actually has something substamtial. Because, tho I have no expectation of it happening, it'd still be nice if it happened

Vorian wrote:
Other than to be antagonistic, of course.

Right, everyone who disagrees with you MUST be trolling.

Vorian wrote:
If you won't believe one of the two most accurate rumour providers about their rumors, then what is the point in reading a thread about rumors?? Other than to be antagonistic, of course.

They may have a good accuracy rating, but it still is a rumour; it never hurts to be too cautious about these things, especially when hype starts to get generated.

Also, these threads are News & Rumours threads - some people just check in to see for any news.

Ugh, guys, if you don't like what she's saying, just don't interact with her.

Retconned Legion over at B&C is saying 10th for a limited release resin canonness based on Blanch art. £15

Pretty sure GW doesn't make Resin any more, though FW does.

Apparently from a trade e-mail.

 pretre wrote:
Ugh, guys, if you don't like what she's saying, just don't interact with her.

Or just don't call her out as an antagonistic troll. Instead say something along the lines of "fair enough, I understand your scepticism, but I for one believe that there will be an update for X reasons". This is a discussion thread, after all.

Yes, Sisters haven't really had any sort of update confirmed by rumourmongers. Something has to happen someday though, be it for better or worse.

 Melissia wrote:
Pretty sure GW doesn't make Resin any more, though FW does.

They don't make any new resin casts, but you can still buy a few models off their website that were upgraded from pewter to Finecast.

That's fair I suppose. Though "based off Blanche's art" does not make me hopeful. That's not a direction Sisters need to be taking IMO.

Loopstah wrote:
Apparently from a trade e-mail.

With independent corroboration I am more inclined to believe this rumour. I imagine it will be made from forgeworld resin. With Atia, vnoob and GW themselves dropping hints, I imagine this is a prelude to a full army book and a range of plastic minis. I'm guessing it will be a mini form of this. It was a John Blanche cover I believe.

Yeah, that's the art form I would dread. I'd really rather them be wearing power armor, not skin-tight jumpsuits.

If we can stick to the topic please.


Thank you.

 Ezr91aeL wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Ezr91aeL wrote:
Resin sisters are nonesense for one more reason: Citadel does not produce resin anymore, only Forgeworld does, but the new Imperial Armour has been postponed and in any case it will tells about Mechanicus vs Tau on a forge world, so I cannot see how Sororitas could be involved.

Well the same way that almost certainly there will be Marines (has to be marines right?) - they just write them in as part of the Crusade to defend or recover it.

Ecclesiarchy goes to save Adeptus Mechanicus? Improbable (but yes, not impossible). If they were attacked by some Chaos/cultist group I could tell that SoB were called by an Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor, but we are talking of Tau, the less chaotic race in the entire universe.

Kirasu wrote:Yeah, they were called Sisters of Silence

But they said Sister of Battle.

Actually I am 99% certain they just said "sisters" in plastic the week before the SoS were shown.

I would guess there have been trying to come up with a way of breaking the news to the dozen or so SoB players without causing them to off them selves.

 Formerly Wu wrote:

Imperial Agents should really have the "advisors" from the Guard Codex but doubt it.

Eh. With the exception of the astropath, they're both dedicated military support officers. Unlikely to be working independently.

I'm shocked the Militarum Tempestus didn't make the list. They seem like a natural inclusion.

A Navy Liasion officer would be equally useful to any other arm of the Imperium, same as the Master of the Ordnance.

This is a bad time for me.
I started 40k with CSM as my main army (2nd edition).
Then I wanted an equally insane opponent to that army so Inquisition with it's various units was the logical choice (~3rd edition, oh it was happy times then...Witch and Daemon).
So NOW they choose to release BOTH together.
My wallet is going to brace for impact.
There may be no survivors.
If sisters get some plastic models, the great immolation of my bank account will be a funeral pyre indeed.

What is this new feeling with GW?
It seems to be doing the right things.
That I want.
At an unheard of speed.
These are end times indeed.

OK, all I can say is what was relayed to me and what we are allowed to say with the reviews. Though they may be called rumors or leaks, that's fine and I do echo not spending money on something until you're absolutely sure it exists or rather, when it will be available to buy and is it what you want. I'm just suggesting it may be best if you are a fan of what's in this book (or any other, for that matter) not to close the door on future possibilities. Of course GW won't tell us reviewers what is coming if they can't but the prospect of amazing model releases in 2017 is exciting--the "blow your mind." Might as well not get upset if you don't see what you hoped for with only a few weeks left in this cycle (December). Warhammer Community is releasing more and more and they know what they're doing. Maybe you'll be pleasantly surprised. Different times, indeed.

But things like plastic SoB will be exciting when released but until then it's totally fair to wait and believe it when you see it.

 Melissia wrote:

Vorian wrote:
If you won't believe one of the two most accurate rumour providers about their rumors,

 Melissia wrote:
I personnally, don't view ANY rumor posters offering vagaries and no real evidence to be 100% reliable. No one is an Oracle.

Vorian wrote:
then what is the point in reading a thread about rumors??

 Melissia wrote:
I check occasionally just in case someone actually has something substamtial. Because, tho I have no expectation of it happening, it'd still be nice if it happened

Vorian wrote:
Other than to be antagonistic, of course.

Right, everyone who disagrees with you MUST be trolling.

I didn't state an opinion one way or the other. It is a genuine question.

If you are going to refuse to believe any thing anyone says what are you bothering to read and/or post here??

Sorry for the OT, I'll go and seek out some Astrology forums to tell them I don't believe in Astrology instead (not to troll ofc).

Loopstah wrote:
Retconned Legion over at B&C is saying 10th for a limited release resin canonness based on Blanch art. £15

Resin is also Finecast. GW still making plenty of that stuff.

Vorian wrote:
If you are going to refuse to believe any thing anyone says what are you bothering to read and/or post here??

Again, this is a News and Rumours forum. Besides, people have the right to not believe a rumour - by your logic, anybody who is holding any doubts about what has been suggested by rumourmongers shouldn't be bothering to voice their concerns.

It's also a discussion, ergo we should be discussing why we do/don't believe these rumours to be true.

I feel GW is doing Plastic SoB, and going to do a big release like Wrath of Magnus

The Imperial Agents Supplement Probably has the Pictures of Old SoB models to make OG SoB players to be "At Home" and give them a rules update that they have been waiting for for a LONG time

And GW probably thought "Eh, We might as well update Grey Knights and Inquisition while we're at it"

Given GW's lackluster past efforts, I feel it more likely that they're thinking "Let's grab some units that already exist and throw them in this one book in so we don't have to update them properly for a few more years".

Haven't seen any rumors of the units included being made stronger or more effective by any means, just that they'll be included and be usable in other armies without using Allies. Which, I suppose, does make them stronger and more effective in an off-hand way-- just not in their native army.


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Vorian wrote:
If you are going to refuse to believe any thing anyone says what are you bothering to read and/or post here??

 Melissia wrote:
I check occasionally just in case someone actually has something substamtial. Because, tho I have no expectation of it happening, it'd still be nice if it happened

If you have a problem with my posts, report them and move on.

 General Annoyance wrote:

Vorian wrote:
If you are going to refuse to believe any thing anyone says what are you bothering to read and/or post here??

Again, this is a News and Rumours forum. Besides, people have the right to not believe a rumour - by your logic, anybody who is holding any doubts about what has been suggested by rumourmongers shouldn't be bothering to voice their concerns.

It's also a discussion, ergo we should be discussing why we do/don't believe these rumours to be true.

Sure, ok.

In favour:

GW have said they are coming.
A rumour monger with effectively 100% accuracy has said they are coming.
VeteranNoob is piping up in his not getting sued way.

Against:
You don't believe in rumours


Not that I'm not loving reading days of snark about how rumours are just rumours (I get to wear my tinfoil hat, it's brilliant!) but it's confusing why you'd read it if you're going to reject absolutely anything you read.

Edit: There you go then, you've checked. It's the highest veracity possible of rumour. You've said you don't believe it, we've heard you. Shall we look forward to another couple of months along the same theme?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/12/05/no-one-suspects-the/

More hints

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/12/05/no-one-suspects-the/

Got ninja'ed by Ghaz

 Ghaz wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/12/05/no-one-suspects-the/

Assuming it's true, this pretty much confirms what I just said.

Vorian wrote:


Sure, ok.

In favour:

GW have said they are coming.

Where? We're not referencing that Magnus Teaser Video again are we?

A rumour monger with effectively 100% accuracy has said they are coming.
VeteranNoob is piping up in his not getting sued way.

So what if they're accurate? It's still a rumour, and a rumour can never be accurate until it's proven, at which point it becomes solid fact rather than speculation and/or unconfirmed sources.

Against:
You don't believe in rumours

Being sceptical is somehow negative?

Not that I'm not loving reading days of snark about how rumours are just rumours (I get to wear my tinfoil hat, it's brilliant!) but it's confusing why you'd read it if you're going to reject absolutely anything you read.

Rumours are just rumours - by the very definition of a rumour, it is a doubtful piece of information. It is much more confusing that people condone others who may take a more cynical approach to forthcoming potential releases simply because they are more reluctant to believe something until they've seen hard evidence for it.

 Ghaz wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/12/05/no-one-suspects-the/

Well, at least we now know GW don't intend to squat Sisters...

 Anpu-adom wrote:

Loopstah wrote:
Retconned Legion over at B&C is saying 10th for a limited release resin canonness based on Blanch art. £15

Resin is also Finecast. GW still making plenty of that stuff.

When's the last finecast release?

Cool, so it's basically codex:inquisition combining all three wings with some extra units sprinkled to taste, in a physical book. I can get behind that...although that means I have to spend shipping again sigh.

well, there we go, from warhammer community itself.
With the arrival of Daemon Primarchs into the galaxy and traitors spilling from the Eye, the Imperium desperately needs to work together to ensure its continued survival.

Next week, they get much needed aid, in the form of Codex: Imperial Agents.

This is a book that compiles together loads of specialist forces that commonly operate alongside other armies within the Imperium – including agents from the Inquisition, Officio Assassinorum, Deathwatch, Grey Knights, Adepta Sororitas, Cult Mechanicus, Adeptus Astra Telepathica, Aeronautica Imperialis, and even the Legion of the Damned.


Much of this content is only available digitally at the moment, some of it is new, and much of it is updated.

It’s worth saying that this will not replace existing printed codexes for the Deathwatch or Grey Knights – this just means that, if you want to add a small strike force of Elite Space Marines to your Imperial army (perhaps requisitioned by an Inquisitor, or high ranking officer), this book makes it easy for you to do so.

 pretre wrote:
When's the last finecast release?

Captain Centos, a limited edition North America exclusive release in may this year.


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Vorian, if you seriously want a response:

1: "GW" has said plastic Sisters in the past and, obviously, have been wrong.

2: People with "100% accuracy" have said plastic Sisters in the past and been wrong.

It's been more than something along the lines of five years since Jes Goodwin said Plastic Sisters are "almost finished" and "imminent", and that they just have some "minor adjustments" to make. And we have gotten... nothing.

But hey, we gotta board the hype train, NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO NOT BOARD THE HYPE TRAIN! Anyone not willing to board the hype train MUST BE LYNCHED until they come on board or cease to be!

Or, you know, you could just accept that people have different opinions than you and not spaz out and try to pressure in to silence everyone who doesn't agree with you about the potential future existence of small, possibly plastic spacenuns with spaceguns and spacetanks.

I am getting a hard cover codex for my birth day. It would be nice if all of my army is still in there in an unnerfed condition.
That is all I care about really. I could not care less about the possibility of plastic sisters, but those who do are invited to join the "we are finally getting stuff hype train" : D

Sounds interesting, I like the idea of using a Deathwatch squad as my henchman unit. And there was me thinking of selling the deathwatch guys from my Deathmasque box...not anymore....not anymore.

 pretre wrote:

 Anpu-adom wrote:

Loopstah wrote:
Retconned Legion over at B&C is saying 10th for a limited release resin canonness based on Blanch art. £15

Resin is also Finecast. GW still making plenty of that stuff.

When's the last finecast release?

Release? Long time ago, unless you are counting some of the special release miniatures for store openings, etc. However, you can still buy lots of things in Finecast... named characters and non-unique characters are available.

I must be easily pleased but I like the idea of my Inquisitor being part of my Sisters army (or vice versa) - Hopefully the Inquisitor will have a decent dedicated transport list

but this is crumbs in the straw at the bad end of the great hall compared to other factions..........sigh

I like it where Everyone has Forgotten about the Legion Preator and Banner dude
They were FW Resin, and sold by GW...

SeanDrake wrote:

 Ezr91aeL wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Ezr91aeL wrote:
Resin sisters are nonesense for one more reason: Citadel does not produce resin anymore, only Forgeworld does, but the new Imperial Armour has been postponed and in any case it will tells about Mechanicus vs Tau on a forge world, so I cannot see how Sororitas could be involved.

Well the same way that almost certainly there will be Marines (has to be marines right?) - they just write them in as part of the Crusade to defend or recover it.

Ecclesiarchy goes to save Adeptus Mechanicus? Improbable (but yes, not impossible). If they were attacked by some Chaos/cultist group I could tell that SoB were called by an Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor, but we are talking of Tau, the less chaotic race in the entire universe.

Kirasu wrote:Yeah, they were called Sisters of Silence

But they said Sister of Battle.

Actually I am 99% certain they just said "sisters" in plastic the week before the SoS were shown.

I would guess there have been trying to come up with a way of breaking the news to the dozen or so SoB players without causing them to off them selves.

Go back and watch the freaking video, it still exists, it didn't disappear into the goddam ether, you can go and watch them say plastic sisters OF BATTLE in the video RIGHT NOW. Whatever you think about Sisters getting new plastics or whether or not the video was just a joke, they said OF BATTLE. This line of argument has been popping up since the video got shown and is the absolute dumbest thing ever.

re the resin Canoness - maybe GW made a few as test models and is selling them off now?

 VeteranNoob wrote:
well, there we go, from warhammer community itself.
With the arrival of Daemon Primarchs into the galaxy and traitors spilling from the Eye, the Imperium desperately needs to work together to ensure its continued survival.

Next week, they get much needed aid, in the form of Codex: Imperial Agents.

This is a book that compiles together loads of specialist forces that commonly operate alongside other armies within the Imperium – including agents from the Inquisition, Officio Assassinorum, Deathwatch, Grey Knights, Adepta Sororitas, Cult Mechanicus, Adeptus Astra Telepathica, Aeronautica Imperialis, and even the Legion of the Damned.


Much of this content is only available digitally at the moment, some of it is new, and much of it is updated.

It’s worth saying that this will not replace existing printed codexes for the Deathwatch or Grey Knights – this just means that, if you want to add a small strike force of Elite Space Marines to your Imperial army (perhaps requisitioned by an Inquisitor, or high ranking officer), this book makes it easy for you to do so.

I have to say its a bit disconcerning at least for now that they specifically called out death watch and greyknights as separate armies whose codices are still valid but didn't include the sisters of battle codex as still valid. This doesn't mean that a separate larger sisters release isn't coming because I believe the GW web team rumoured video. Its just disconcerning.

Furthermore the pictures leave me hopeful because I still read or see acolytes, priests, deathcult assasins, crusaders, joekero, psykers, arco-flaggellents, etc. and the wording implies most of the retinue choices will still be available (demonhosts?) with new rules.

However a big red flag seems to be the omission of custodies and sisters of silence. It doesn't appear those dataslates and formation choices made it into this book which is sad because this is exactly where they should be. I realize sisters of silence are a telepathica choice, but it doesn't appear they are making it in if custodies (which are their own faction) don't make it. Hopefully some errata or faq makes these units as a possible inclusion to an inquisitorial retinue detachment.

 Melissia wrote:

 pretre wrote:
When's the last finecast release?

Captain Centos, a limited edition North America exclusive release in may this year.


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Vorian, if you seriously want a response:

1: "GW" has said plastic Sisters in the past and, obviously, have been wrong.

2: People with "100% accuracy" have said plastic Sisters in the past and been wrong.

It's been more than something along the lines of five years since Jes Goodwin said Plastic Sisters are "almost finished" and "imminent", and that they just have some "minor adjustments" to make. And we have gotten... nothing.

But hey, we gotta board the hype train, NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO NOT BOARD THE HYPE TRAIN! Anyone not willing to board the hype train MUST BE LYNCHED until they come on board or cease to be!

Or, you know, you could just accept that people have different opinions than you and not spaz out and try to pressure in to silence everyone who doesn't agree with you about the potential future existence of small, possibly plastic spacenuns with spaceguns and spacetanks.

You have the right to be doubtful of the rumours, but the nature of a rumour is conjecture. If you don't want to believe in anything that's not hard fact, I'd advise avoiding a rumour thread.

Eventually someone will be right and on that day I hope you can start to enjoy rumours again rather than being so dismissal, their right or wrong status is less relevant than generating useful discussion for some chaps on the interwebs.

Read the artical.... confirmed details

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/12/05/no-one-suspects-the/

gungo wrote:

 VeteranNoob wrote:
well, there we go, from warhammer community itself.
With the arrival of Daemon Primarchs into the galaxy and traitors spilling from the Eye, the Imperium desperately needs to work together to ensure its continued survival.

Next week, they get much needed aid, in the form of Codex: Imperial Agents.

This is a book that compiles together loads of specialist forces that commonly operate alongside other armies within the Imperium – including agents from the Inquisition, Officio Assassinorum, Deathwatch, Grey Knights, Adepta Sororitas, Cult Mechanicus, Adeptus Astra Telepathica, Aeronautica Imperialis, and even the Legion of the Damned.


Much of this content is only available digitally at the moment, some of it is new, and much of it is updated.

It’s worth saying that this will not replace existing printed codexes for the Deathwatch or Grey Knights – this just means that, if you want to add a small strike force of Elite Space Marines to your Imperial army (perhaps requisitioned by an Inquisitor, or high ranking officer), this book makes it easy for you to do so.

I have to say its a bit disconcerning at least for now that they specifically called out death watch and greyknights as separate armies whose codices are still valid but didn't include the sisters of battle codex as still valid. This doesn't mean that a separate larger sisters release isn't coming because I believe the GW web team rumoured video. Its just disconcerning.

Furthermore the pictures leave me hopeful because I still read or see acolytes, priests, deathcult assasins, crusaders, joekero, psykers, arco-flaggellents, etc. and the wording implies most of the retinue choices will still be available (demonhosts?) with new rules.

However a big red flag seems to be the omission of custodies and sisters of silence. It doesn't appear those dataslates and formation choices made it into this book which is sad because this is exactly where they should be. I realize sisters of silence are a telepathica choice, but it doesn't appear they are making it in if custodies (which are their own faction) don't make it. Hopefully some errata or faq makes these units as a possible inclusion to an inquisitorial retinue detachment.

but the sisters don't have a hardback codex yet

gungo wrote:

 VeteranNoob wrote:
well, there we go, from warhammer community itself.
With the arrival of Daemon Primarchs into the galaxy and traitors spilling from the Eye, the Imperium desperately needs to work together to ensure its continued survival.

Next week, they get much needed aid, in the form of Codex: Imperial Agents.

This is a book that compiles together loads of specialist forces that commonly operate alongside other armies within the Imperium – including agents from the Inquisition, Officio Assassinorum, Deathwatch, Grey Knights, Adepta Sororitas, Cult Mechanicus, Adeptus Astra Telepathica, Aeronautica Imperialis, and even the Legion of the Damned.


Much of this content is only available digitally at the moment, some of it is new, and much of it is updated.

It’s worth saying that this will not replace existing printed codexes for the Deathwatch or Grey Knights – this just means that, if you want to add a small strike force of Elite Space Marines to your Imperial army (perhaps requisitioned by an Inquisitor, or high ranking officer), this book makes it easy for you to do so.

I have to say its a bit disconcerning at least for now that they specifically called out death watch and greyknights as separate armies whose codices are still valid but didn't include the sisters of battle codex as still valid.

They said printed codexes. Inquistion SoB and LotD have 6ed digital codexes. They will now have printed dataslates. No need to be more concerned by facts.

I'll take a resin Sister, gotta show demand for it anyway, hopefully the sculpt will be better than that banner dude not long ago.

i'd love a blanchesque canoness

 winterman wrote:
They said printed codexes. Inquistion SoB and LotD have 6ed digital codexes. They will now have printed dataslates.

THat's my interpretetion of it as well.

Dudeface wrote:
I'd advise

I'm not interested in your advice.

 Melissia wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/12/05/no-one-suspects-the/

Assuming it's true, this pretty much confirms what I just said.

Assuming this is true? You know this website is ran by GW right? That's straight from the source and you're still skeptical?

No mention of stormtroopers though.

Because they're called Tempestus Scions now.

And with Acolyte squads being uber-customizable, do you need the full squad, aside from as a suicide element?

Personally happy that there'll be physical rules for SoB/Inq/Assassins. In my local meta, those factions are notoriously abused by cheaters who exploit the fact our store doesn't have a copy on hand for easy reference and frequently have excuses as to why they don't have have their rules on them ("m-my tablet died! :^) ").

Also, as a looong time Inquisition player (Daemonhunters were my first army) eager to see what the inq updates (if any) are like. More henchman customisation and a proper invuln for inquisitors would be greatly appreciated!

I feel reassured after that warhammer community post. I was starting to think that some / all of my henchmen were going to be invalidated. Updated rules for them would be nice but I don't want them to lose their character or variety of unit possibilities. I also hope you can still take Henchmen units that don't have to have an Inquisitor in the unit.

I have an Ordo Xenos army made up of the Inquisition, Deathwatch and Astra Militarum codices. Apart from using one less book I'm not sure what advantage this codex is going to give me. Some cool formations that encourage you to focus on just one Ordo would be cool though. I.e. You can take Grey Knights in your Ordo Xenos force but you won't get the formation bonuses if you do that.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/12/05/no-one-suspects-the/

Assuming it's true, this pretty much confirms what I just said.

Assuming this is true? You know this website is ran by GW right?

GW has been wrong about GW's own releases in the past.

See: plastic Sisters of Battle.

in other news am I the only one who is a bit anxious that there are still no "leaks" one week before the release....

The logical reason is that they may simply have nothing new to tease other than the book itself.

 oldzoggy wrote:
in other news am I the only one who is a bit anxious that there are still no "leaks" one week before the release....

One week before pre-order isn't it?

 Melissia wrote:

GW has been wrong about GW's own releases in the past.

See: plastic Sisters of Battle.

I don't think that they are wrong with their one week pre release commercials.
But I am totally agreeing with your, lets see it first before we get hyped up attitude. Mork only knows what they have done to our armies, or what they are going to do to or models.


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Loopstah wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:
in other news am I the only one who is a bit anxious that there are still no "leaks" one week before the release....

One week before pre-order isn't it?

No idea, next week that is all I know

GW com site wrote:Next week, they get much needed aid, in the form of Codex: Imperial Agents.

As for the release, I'm rather dubious of this book. As a CSM player, while I fully admit Games Workshop has been performing much better over the past year and a half, I would like to point out that I have to carry around a library at the moment in order to play my army.

I need to carry:
CSM Dex
Traitors Hate
Black Legion/ Crimson Slaughter
Wrath of Magnus
Chaos Deamons
And Codex Traitor Legions.

I mean half of the rules in the Wrath of Magnus book aren't even listed in that book!

I tend to think that Games Workshop is getting a little carried away with books these days. I mean think about it, how many codexes do you need to drag around as an imperial player now?

 Togusa wrote:
As for the release, I'm rather dubious of this book. As a CSM player, while I fully admit Games Workshop has been performing much better over the past year and a half, I would like to point out that I have to carry around a library at the moment in order to play my army.

I need to carry:
CSM Dex
Traitors Hate
Black Legion/ Crimson Slaughter
Wrath of Magnus
Chaos Deamons
And Codex Traitor Legions.

I mean half of the rules in the Wrath of Magnus book aren't even listed in that book!

I tend to think that Games Workshop is getting a little carried away with books these days. I mean think about it, how many codexes do you need to drag around as an imperial player now?

Aren't all the rules for the Black Legion, Traitor's Hate and the 1ksons part of WoM rolled into Traitor Legions? Meaning you'd only need the CSM Dex, Crimson Slaughter and Traitor Legions for a Marine force? Obviously youd still need Daemons and WoM for CSM and Daemons.

Seriously though. Planning on getting the book, just finished painting that killteam, gotta keep them up-to-date.

Pretty much a perfect release for me since its alll Imperium, err day. Also loving that update to the retinue and Ordo Hereticus Inq can take a squad of SoB with em, its like GW knows my needs.

Thinking more and more how awesome af a proper henchmen kit would be, Sigmar I need it.

 troy_tempest wrote:
i'd love a blanchesque canoness

Yeah me to, that would be lovely.

Hmmm
I wonder if GW will use Scion models for Henchmen?
They used IG Stormtroopers for Henchmen in the Last Codex...

No new models sounds disappointing... But I hope that it only means a full scale SoB release nest year.

Resin Canoness sounds weird... I think earlier rumour said plastic. I hope the talk about limited edition is bogus at least. I'd have to hoard bunch of them if that was the case.

I really hope Inquisition rules get updated, they sorely need it. But as long as this book finally lets me give my inquisitors invulnerable saves (other than the termie armour) I'm getting it!

I'm just hoping the Inquisition gets Storm Troopers back (as a troops choice even- that would be grand for helping the Inquisition in Kill Team as they have no troops). I have a fair few of them that refuse to work for the Tempestus Scions, stating that they never learned how to deep strike.

That said, I really just hope that some of the options from the Witch Hunters and Daemon Hunters book retinues get added back to the Inquisition.

 Crimson wrote:
No new models sounds disappointing... But I hope that it only means a full scale SoB release nest year.

Resin Canoness sounds weird... I think earlier rumour said plastic. I hope the talk about limited edition is bogus at least. I'd have to hoard bunch of them if that was the case.

I really hope Inquisition rules get updated, they sorely need it. But as long as this book finally lets me give my inquisitors invulnerable saves (other than the termie armour) I'm getting it!

that's the spirit. No new models this week. I'm certain we'll get those plastic SoB in 2017 but curious to see how big a release. When WoM letter came it seemed like a book and the Rubrics. Was totally surprised to see termies, exalted sorcerers, tzaangors and Ahriman!

Sounds like you can run an Inquisitorial detachment with Troops from the militant orders (at least the one that is connected to the Ordo your Inquisitor is from). Henchmen are still elites. It really makes me wonder where this Cannoness model fits in.

For the work blocked, it isn't a replacement for the print codexes for Deathwatch or Grey Knights.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
As for the release, I'm rather dubious of this book. As a CSM player, while I fully admit Games Workshop has been performing much better over the past year and a half, I would like to point out that I have to carry around a library at the moment in order to play my army.

I need to carry:
CSM Dex
Traitors Hate
Black Legion/ Crimson Slaughter
Wrath of Magnus
Chaos Deamons
And Codex Traitor Legions.

I mean half of the rules in the Wrath of Magnus book aren't even listed in that book!

I tend to think that Games Workshop is getting a little carried away with books these days. I mean think about it, how many codexes do you need to drag around as an imperial player now?

Aren't all the rules for the Black Legion, Traitor's Hate and the 1ksons part of WoM rolled into Traitor Legions? Meaning you'd only need the CSM Dex, Crimson Slaughter and Traitor Legions for a Marine force? Obviously youd still need Daemons and WoM for CSM and Daemons.

I don't actually know. If they are, I will be miffed as I have spent money on Wrath of Magnus, and Traitors Hate this year.

 Togusa wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
As for the release, I'm rather dubious of this book. As a CSM player, while I fully admit Games Workshop has been performing much better over the past year and a half, I would like to point out that I have to carry around a library at the moment in order to play my army.

I need to carry:
CSM Dex
Traitors Hate
Black Legion/ Crimson Slaughter
Wrath of Magnus
Chaos Deamons
And Codex Traitor Legions.

I mean half of the rules in the Wrath of Magnus book aren't even listed in that book!

I tend to think that Games Workshop is getting a little carried away with books these days. I mean think about it, how many codexes do you need to drag around as an imperial player now?

Aren't all the rules for the Black Legion, Traitor's Hate and the 1ksons part of WoM rolled into Traitor Legions? Meaning you'd only need the CSM Dex, Crimson Slaughter and Traitor Legions for a Marine force? Obviously youd still need Daemons and WoM for CSM and Daemons.

I don't actually know. If they are, I will be miffed as I have spent money on Wrath of Magnus, and Traitors Hate this year.

Bad news then my friend.

 VeteranNoob wrote:
I'm certain we'll get those plastic SoB in 2017

Did you really meant 2017 or was that a typo for a much more realistic 2107?

 commander dante wrote:
I feel GW is doing Plastic SoB, and going to do a big release like Wrath of Magnus

The Imperial Agents Supplement Probably has the Pictures of Old SoB models to make OG SoB players to be "At Home" and give them a rules update that they have been waiting for for a LONG time

And GW probably thought "Eh, We might as well update Grey Knights and Inquisition while we're at it"

I don't think they will be updating any of the chamber militants as that would cause too many problems since they aren't fully in the book.
From the rumours you get:
Deathwatch Killteam and Blackstar
GK Terminators and Dreadknight
Battle Sisters and Canoness

That's it, why would they update those? From what I gather there will be no updates for these as they seem to be small formations only and not actual codex entries.
The rest of the codex on the other hand will probably not be formations only but actual codex entries with all the stats and rules. The chamber militant stuff will most likely be "You can use x and y model in this formation, see their parent codex for their actual rules", this is apparently how they do it in Traitor Legions as all the points costs etc are from/same as the CSM codex.

Updated units (my prediction):
Inquisitors and their henchmen
Officio Assassinorum

Not Updated:
Deathwatch
Grey Knights
Adepta Sororitas
Aeronautica Imperialis
Legion of the Damned
Cult Mechanicus
Adeptus Astra Telepathica

Warhammer Live will have their first show on Wednesday, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if they did another bin video. I will be tuning in for the first free week to see what it's like, if they reveal a rumour each week it just might be worth subscribing... if they also include a free WD with that £5 as it's the most expensive subscription service for Warhammer and I'm not interested in anything AoS.

Just gonna give a reminder that this will be a CODEX
NOT a SUPPLEMEMT

 VeteranNoob wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
No new models sounds disappointing... But I hope that it only means a full scale SoB release nest year.

Resin Canoness sounds weird... I think earlier rumour said plastic. I hope the talk about limited edition is bogus at least. I'd have to hoard bunch of them if that was the case.

I really hope Inquisition rules get updated, they sorely need it. But as long as this book finally lets me give my inquisitors invulnerable saves (other than the termie armour) I'm getting it!

that's the spirit. No new models this week. I'm certain we'll get those plastic SoB in 2017 but curious to see how big a release. When WoM letter came it seemed like a book and the Rubrics. Was totally surprised to see termies, exalted sorcerers, tzaangors and Ahriman!

I put much stock in what you say.

 commander dante wrote:
Just gonna give a reminder that this will be a CODEX
NOT a SUPPLEMEMT

It does not contain the whole SoB, Deathwatch or GK codexes, only 2-3 units from all. There is no way they'd update those, the other stuff I could see get updates but doubt it as it'd mean different rules for the same units in different codexes. This is why the codex as a product is severely flawed, if they went over to a Co-Deck you could simply release updated rules for anything and simply replace the old cards with the new. I just don't understand why GW thinks this is a bad idea... other than that 8E is on it's way and it changes everything so my product isn't necessary.

Lack of SoS and Custodes is interesting. I guess this means that either GW are going to leave them as mainly 30k forces for FW to expand, or they have bigger plans for them then a couple of squad entry's. Given there plastic kits, the teaser at the end of WoM and a prominent role in recent and future BL releases. I'm leaning towards bigger plans.

So its a codex thats what 6 pages to cover the ordos specific units
deathwatch and blackstar
cannoness and squad
gk termies and dreadknight
that leaves plenty of space for assasins etc.

Ok what do you know I can confirm a ltd edition Blanche S&M cannoness in resin.

SISTER OF BATTLE CANNONESS VERIDYAN only 5 per store limited run.

Well think about it. They can honestly release sisters models whenever they want after they make the book. This isn't admech or something where they need to release everything with the book all in one go to appease the lawyers. Technically all their options and everything have models already, so if (big if) they're making plastic sisters, they can release the book now and then release the kits in a trickle or do a big splash release if they decide to drop a proper codex all in one go.

If they really want to give sisters a true army book again, it'd even let them spread out the releases, as they could release a couple of the options in the agents book like the main battle squad and save the flashier stuff for a proper codex.

Still not 100% convinced even if the video gives me hope. You guys gotta remember that hearing "confirmed" sisters of battle rumors these days is like hearing "confirmed" plastic thunderhawks. Really we have no reason to believe anything until someone posts about 50 HD shots of the sprue from every conceivable angle with Roundtree doing a live press release confirming it.

 Melissia wrote:

 pretre wrote:
When's the last finecast release?

Captain Centos, a limited edition North America exclusive release in may this year.


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Vorian, if you seriously want a response:

1: "GW" has said plastic Sisters in the past and, obviously, have been wrong.

2: People with "100% accuracy" have said plastic Sisters in the past and been wrong.

It's been more than something along the lines of five years since Jes Goodwin said Plastic Sisters are "almost finished" and "imminent", and that they just have some "minor adjustments" to make. And we have gotten... nothing.

But hey, we gotta board the hype train, NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO NOT BOARD THE HYPE TRAIN! Anyone not willing to board the hype train MUST BE LYNCHED until they come on board or cease to be!

Or, you know, you could just accept that people have different opinions than you and not spaz out and try to pressure in to silence everyone who doesn't agree with you about the potential future existence of small, possibly plastic spacenuns with spaceguns and spacetanks.

What person with 100 pct accuracy said sisters before?

SeanDrake wrote:
Ok what do you know I can confirm a ltd edition Blanche S&M cannoness in resin.

SISTER OF BATTLE CANNONESS VERIDYAN only 5 per store limited run.

If that's true then no matter how good the model is I wont be getting one. Even if there was a GW locally and I had the Saturday free(there's not and work means I usually don't) this limited edition stuff is getting daft.

SeanDrake wrote:
Ok what do you know I can confirm a ltd edition Blanche S&M cannoness in resin.

SISTER OF BATTLE CANNONESS VERIDYAN only 5 per store limited run.

So only at GW stores, or can it be ordered at your FLGS?

ShaneMarsh wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:
Ok what do you know I can confirm a ltd edition Blanche S&M cannoness in resin.

SISTER OF BATTLE CANNONESS VERIDYAN only 5 per store limited run.

So only at GW stores, or can it be ordered at your FLGS?

FLGS will be getting them. It is looking like they will be initially limited to two per store.

fryguy49 wrote:

ShaneMarsh wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:
Ok what do you know I can confirm a ltd edition Blanche S&M cannoness in resin.

SISTER OF BATTLE CANNONESS VERIDYAN only 5 per store limited run.

So only at GW stores, or can it be ordered at your FLGS?

FLGS will be getting them. It is looking like they will be initially limited to two per store.

what he said, only uk stores have been advised 5.

Cool. I can easily order from the FLGS (which I happen to work at. On Saturday).

 commander dante wrote:
Just gonna give a reminder that this will be a CODEX
NOT a SUPPLEMEMT

That distinction is largely meaningless

SeanDrake wrote:
Ok what do you know I can confirm a ltd edition Blanche S&M cannoness in resin.

SISTER OF BATTLE CANNONESS VERIDYAN only 5 per store limited run.

Veridian= a long-lasting, bluish-green pigment, consisting of a hydrated oxide of chromium
Viridiana= (Spanish, Portuguese, Latin), Viridianne (French, English), Verdiana (Italian) is a female given name of Latin origin as well as the name of an Italian Saint.

If the codex does, in fact, contain rules for Grey Knights squads and the Dreadknight, I will probably pick some GK up. I will wait on the Sisters until plastics come out.

Hopefully they use this opportunity to get some plastics out for the different Inquisitors.

SeanDrake wrote:
Ok what do you know I can confirm a ltd edition Blanche S&M cannoness in resin.

SISTER OF BATTLE CANNONESS VERIDYAN only 5 per store limited run.

Do you know if it is FW resin or failcast?

Also its inspired in blanche?

Thankssssss

 Melissia wrote:
Are you done yet?

We' got some actual news (release info for an actual model), which if true, contradicts what was said before (no new miniatures for the book), which I find rather interesting.

Might not be in the book

I'd think the model will either have rules in C:IA or have rules available for download.

I'm not surprised that this Codex doesn't contain new models. If Sisters were going to get new models, it would come alongside their own book. I'm more disappointed that there is a distinct lack of new Imperial Agents (i.e. the guys you are trying to sell to us with this Codex, GW)

As for the limited edition Canoness, well it certainly isn't a release that was meant to fit into this new Codex. Perhaps a promotion for it, or a release tied into it, but irrelevant in terms of there not being new models present for either Imperial Agents or their henchmen.

ShaneMarsh wrote:
Can everyone stop the fething personal attacks and baiting? We get it: Melissa is a skeptic. We get it: Others can't handle it. Just ignore her posts and both sides can live in harmony and we can all get back on topic.


I'd think the model will either have rules in C:IA or have rules available for download.

It'll be a special character with rules in the box like the other resins

Well to me there's three possibilities.

1: rules included.
2: rules separate.
3: no rules, counts as normal cannoness.

I feel one and three are most likely.

I would suspect that they will have models in time, it seems like it would be a large missed opportunity if they didn't seize the opportunity for sales with this.


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 Melissia wrote:
Well to me there's three possibilities.

1: rules included.
2: rules separate.
3: no rules, counts as normal cannoness.

I feel one and three are most likely.

Would be my bet too if there is a model.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
If the codex does, in fact, contain rules for Grey Knights squads and the Dreadknight, I will probably pick some GK up. I will wait on the Sisters until plastics come out.

Hopefully they use this opportunity to get some plastics out for the different Inquisitors.

I probably shouldn't say this yet but the GK inclusion in codex: Imp Agents is a different strike force composition than the GK codex (1HQ, 1 Compulsory troops + whatever). Smaller, specialized. That's part of the book, is taking some models which don't fit so well and giving them even basic detachments to be legal and included, as stand alone or allied. But if you're still interested then check out the review this weekend from whomever and see if it interests you.

A lot of the in-store FW resin models tend to have pretty nothing rules. The praetor in cataphractii armour was just a very slightly cheaper praetor on account of not having a combi-bolter and the herald was just a herald with UM legion rules if I remember correctly (might of had someother specials rules).

I am kind of just glad to be getting anything interesting in December because traditionally it was a dead zone of Christmas bundles and Hobbit/Lord of the Rings releases.
I am pretty sure that GW runs a light staff in the last part of December so I am not surprised with the spacing of things.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
I would suspect that they will have models in time, it seems like it would be a large missed opportunity if they didn't seize the opportunity for sales with this.

There is potential for this, as GW has staggered releases of a certain theme before (GSC being the most recent example). However, the fact that we don't have any hard evidence confirming models at this point makes me think that there simply are none in the works yet. Very disappointing, since Agents of the Imperium like Inquisitors and their warbands arguably have the most potential for extremely characterful or imposing models.

It was always unlikely that agents was go8ng to get new minis.

There have been unsubstantiated rumors about sisters in Jan-Feb, but I'm going to stay skeptical-- we've been through this before. And got nothing.

GW would do much better building up hype if the released teasers for actual mini releases.

 Melissia wrote:
It was always unlikely that agents was go8ng to get new minis.

There have been unsubstantiated rumors about sisters in Jan-Feb, but I'm going to stay skeptical-- we've been through this before. And got nothing.

GW would do much better building up hype if the released teasers for actual mini releases.

Starting probably at the LVO but definitely at adepticon we'll know the majority of their releases for 2017 so soon they'll be doing just that!

 VeteranNoob wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
If the codex does, in fact, contain rules for Grey Knights squads and the Dreadknight, I will probably pick some GK up. I will wait on the Sisters until plastics come out.

Hopefully they use this opportunity to get some plastics out for the different Inquisitors.

I probably shouldn't say this yet but the GK inclusion in codex: Imp Agents is a different strike force composition than the GK codex (1HQ, 1 Compulsory troops + whatever). Smaller, specialized. That's part of the book, is taking some models which don't fit so well and giving them even basic detachments to be legal and included, as stand alone or allied. But if you're still interested then check out the review this weekend from whomever and see if it interests you.

That's actually what I was hoping the book was like. I want to add small detachments to my existing armies. I am not looking to start a bunch of new armies, I just want to add a couple units of each to my collection. I like the aesthetics of the Grey Knights (they were almost my first army) and Sisters of Battle, this gives me the opportunity to pick up some models from those ranges and make use of them.

I don't know if you can answer this, but are any of the HQ units from those armies (Canoness, Watch Captain, Grey Knight Brother Captain or Grand Master) in the book? I am definitely hoping for a Brother Captain.

Small detachments are what I predicted as well, very few major changes from the original book, to allow for taking of these units in other armies.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
If the codex does, in fact, contain rules for Grey Knights squads and the Dreadknight, I will probably pick some GK up. I will wait on the Sisters until plastics come out.

Hopefully they use this opportunity to get some plastics out for the different Inquisitors.

GKTs and a Dreadknight, Kill Team and a Corvus, Canoness and a squad. Interestingly, all those sound like the core of a getting started box, with a couple other units added. Say a 5 man strike team and a terminator librarian for the GK, a second kill team and chaplain for deathwatch, and who knows for Sisters.

Here is the confirmation for that model:

Edit: Gah, got Ninjad!


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Codex Supplement: Angels of Death? I take it it's a softcover version?

It was a Space Marines supplement that was the Traitors Legions of its time. It came out a while ago.

Judging from the price is the Imperial Agents softcover?

The Canoness being a limited edition really bothers me. How hard will these be to get? There's no GW store in my town, though there's a store selling GW stuff... Can these be bought via the webstore? If it is really based on the Blanche art I need at least two (one to keep as she is, one to convert.)

 Crimson wrote:
The Canoness being a limited edition really bothers me. How hard will these be to get? There's no GW store in my town, though there's a store selling GW stuff... Can these be bought via the webstore? If it is really based on the Blanche art I need at least two (one to keep as she is, one to convert.)

From what I've been told you can order through your FLGS?

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
If the codex does, in fact, contain rules for Grey Knights squads and the Dreadknight, I will probably pick some GK up. I will wait on the Sisters until plastics come out.

Hopefully they use this opportunity to get some plastics out for the different Inquisitors.

GKTs and a Dreadknight, Kill Team and a Corvus, Canoness and a squad. Interestingly, all those sound like the core of a getting started box, with a couple other units added. Say a 5 man strike team and a terminator librarian for the GK, a second kill team and chaplain for deathwatch, and who knows for Sisters.

I only really expect to see around 3 datasheets from each faction. Though many of these armies share things like Rhinos answer whatnot, so it doesn't sound too implausible that there would be the datasheet for that as well. But you're right, it almost sounds like some Get Started boxes are in order for some of these armies. I want a Brother Captain instead of a Librarian though.

 Crimson wrote:
The Canoness being a limited edition really bothers me. How hard will these be to get? There's no GW store in my town, though there's a store selling GW stuff... Can these be bought via the webstore? If it is really based on the Blanche art I need at least two (one to keep as she is, one to convert.)

I've sent an email to my trade rep at GW to get as much info as possible.

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
Judging from the price is the Imperial Agents softcover?

Hardcover

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
Codex Supplement: Angels of Death? I take it it's a softcover version?

I'm pretty sure it was already Softcover.

*Goes to check* Yup, already a Softcover.

Why is the new Cannoness, resin?
I thought GW didn't do resin anymore.

So Codex Supplement: Angels of Death is now being released as hardcover?

It's the French version.

ShaneMarsh wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
The Canoness being a limited edition really bothers me. How hard will these be to get? There's no GW store in my town, though there's a store selling GW stuff... Can these be bought via the webstore? If it is really based on the Blanche art I need at least two (one to keep as she is, one to convert.)

From what I've been told you can order through your FLGS?

I have neither an FLGS nor a GW store within an hour of me, is there any chance it will be sold online, or am I going to have to wait and pay triple from eBay?

 dan2026 wrote:
Why is the new Cannoness, resin?
I thought GW didn't do resin anymore.

Because it's a limited edition one and based of Blanche artwork so a probably guess would be that it's a resin sculpt of this:

I get what it's probably based off.
Just odd that it's resin and limited edition.

 dan2026 wrote:
I get what it's probably based off.
Just odd that it's resin and limited edition.

GW has done at least three limited edition resin miniatures this year.

They have been doing a few limited edition models, recently.
100th store Marine, etc.

 MadCowCrazy wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
Why is the new Cannoness, resin?
I thought GW didn't do resin anymore.

Because it's a limited edition one and based of Blanche artwork so a probably guess would be that it's a resin sculpt of this:

I (not so) secretly pray it is based in this instead:

They have been doing that lately. Remember that Plasma emplacement or the void generator?

 Vash108 wrote:
They have been doing that lately. Remember that Plasma emplacement or the void generator?

Bad examples since they were terrain and not traditional resin.


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Also, those were a while back.

I love that Blanche artwork. One of their most iconic images.

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
Because it's a limited edition one and based of Blanche artwork so a probably guess would be that it's a resin sculpt of this:
[snip]

I hope not-- that is by far the worst official artwork for Sisters ever released-- but I suspect you are correct.

I'm going to be speaking some heresy right now but I really hate Blanche artwork, it's over the top and quite ridiculous in proportions of people. I do like the artwork for locations though, like the artwork for Commoragh. People on the other hand look quite ridiculous imo.

This is especially true of his attempts to draw women. While I don't want to turn this in to another "bash Blanche's terrible 'art'" thread, he's basically GW's version of Rob Liefeld, except without Liefeld's enthusiasm for the media and the people who work it (his one good aspect).

The anatomy may be cartoonish.
But Blanche's artwork epitomises 40k for me.

That is an insult to cartoons.

Blanche's art encapsulates the essence of 40K. The man is a genius.

So should I not bother starting adepta sororitas Army I was hoping Plastic models were coming or a codex,To be honest not even sure if it possible to get a codex wanted to make them my first army.

I have to agree Blanche is so overrated it is unreal, he is another piece of deadwood that should be cut loose like Merritt. Add JJ and you get the triumvirate of what is holding GW back.

 Hironoga wrote:
So should I not bother starting adepta sororitas Army I was hoping Plastic models were coming or a codex,To be honest not even sure if it possible to get a codex wanted to make them my first army.

Rumor has it-- and I stress this is merely a rumor, and we know absolutely nothing about it nor have any confirmation nor real evidence of its truth-- that there will be a Sisters codex in the first few months of next year, along with potentially plastic miniatures.

I use that long caveat because frankly I don't believe it, myself, but time will tell. It's not that far away.

Ok here is a semi plausible scenario.
1- GW releases fun new rules for old AOS minis, sales increase 1000% (rules sell armies, who knew?)
2- GW thinks why not do that for 40k too.
3- OK thousand sons are coming how about a chaos book.
4- Cool what about marine players?
5- well how about a book of allies for them.
6- Good idea. We're doing sister next year. If we throw them in too people will double dip.
7- great but we don't have any minis to go with this.
8- hmm, we can't do anything plastic in time so why not do a resin mini. How about a canoness.
9 but we've got a plastic canoness coming next year.
10- no problem, make it a limited edition special character, people will buy both.

Chikout wrote:
Ok here is a semi plausible scenario.
1- GW releases fun new rules for old AOS minis, sales increase 1000% (rules sell armies, who knew?)
2- GW thinks why not do that for 40k too.
3- OK thousand sons are coming how about a chaos book.
4- Cool what about marine players?
5- well how about a book of allies for them.
6- Good idea. We're doing sister next year. If we throw them in too people will double dip.
7- great but we don't have any minis to go with this.
8- hmm, we can't do anything plastic in time so why not do a resin mini. How about a canoness.
9 but we've got a plastic canoness coming next year.
10- no problem, make it a limited edition special character, people will buy both.

Sounds plausible.

I mean, they wouldn't be wrong, so...

Don't worry haters, Blanche is pretty old so I'm sure he'll retire soon enough. Then we can all enjoy 40K devolving into a boring generic scifi mush.

 Crimson wrote:
Then we can all enjoy 40K devolving into a boring generic scifi mush.

So what's the difference from what Blanche has given us, if that's your prediction?

If that list of contents is true I will be quite sad about this book.

I was expecting something along the lines of 1 HQ/1 Troops for the (sorta) Chambers Militant. Now it just seems like its an excuse to sell bigger models (Blackstar, Babycarrier, Valk). What a wasted opportunity, especially for a proper Codex with no new models (was really expecting Sister HQ/Sister Squad).

Disappointing.

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
I'm going to be speaking some heresy right now but I really hate Blanche artwork, it's over the top and quite ridiculous in proportions of people. I do like the artwork for locations though, like the artwork for Commoragh. People on the other hand look quite ridiculous imo.

You're not alone. Blanche may have defined what 40K is, but better artists (Adrian Smith, Mark Gibbons and even Jess Goodwin) have taken that inspiration and made it into something workable.

Chikout wrote:
Ok here is a semi plausible scenario.
1- GW releases fun new rules for old AOS minis, sales increase 1000% (rules sell armies, who knew?)
2- GW thinks why not do that for 40k too.
3- OK thousand sons are coming how about a chaos book.
4- Cool what about marine players?
5- well how about a book of allies for them.
6- Good idea. We're doing sister next year. If we throw them in too people will double dip.
7- great but we don't have any minis to go with this.
8- hmm, we can't do anything plastic in time so why not do a resin mini. How about a canoness.
9 but we've got a plastic canoness coming next year.
10- no problem, make it a limited edition special character, people will buy both.

That sounds cynical enough to be true.

Feel free to start a discussion debating the merits of John Blanche's artwork in the General Discussion board. Thanks.

So how about them updates!

We are getting a new resin limited-edition miniature (I'll not be getting it regardless of how it looks, because of its limited-edition nature, there's a lot of players in D/FW that'd get it before I did), and a book containing a bunch of units that already exist from other codices. Looks like that's about it as far as Imperial Agents news goes, unless something new comes up. Pretty much what I expected barring the limited-edition miniature.

I'm very tempted to use this as an excuse to start that Inquisition army I always wanted to try

I suspect that's the reason why they released the supplement.

 Melissia wrote:
So how about them updates!

We are getting a new resin limited-edition miniature (I'll not be getting it regardless of how it looks, because of its limited-edition nature, there's a lot of players in D/FW that'd get it before I did), and a book containing a bunch of units that already exist from other codices. Looks like that's about it as far as Imperial Agents news goes, unless something new comes up. Pretty much what I expected barring the limited-edition miniature.

Kinda meh, feels like they are just mashing together what hasn't sold well. Hopefully I will be wrong.

 Melissia wrote:
I suspect that's the reason why they released the supplement.

Well, that and to shoehorn Sisters of Battle into an actual army and be done with it. Hopefully they then get on to actually needed units like Henchman and plastic inquisitors. We can get the plastic Sister kit so Sisters players are thrown the only kit they need to build an army. Once they have a squad with a few heavy weapon options, thats their full army. They already have rhinos, and a resin cannoness. Boom, army's done and dusted.

As cynical as it is, I doubt that's the reasoning.

I don't think it's the sole reasoning, but to assume there is substantial support coming for Sisters is naive. They aren't a popular army. They arent even fully a real army. They are 3 versions of power armor squads and then another version of powerarmor with jumpacks. Thats the whole army. They aren't going to come up with anything new for them, so why wouldn't they squeeze them in the Inquisition, which is really where they belong anyway. They don't have enough variety, and really they always had ecclesiarchy units to fill out a book anyway. When those types of units are already in the Inquisition codex, it makes sense to combine them.

Hell, we've seen Ad Mech and Genestealer Cult and Deathwatch get full armies before Sisters have had a single new release.

I think it's safe to assume they are being folded into the Inquisition dex and GW will move on to other things. Especially given that 8th edition will probably bring a consolidation of armies like AoS, it makes sense to start laying the groundwork for an army that will probably become "Codex: Imperium" in 8th edition.

It's the same reason we're seeing Legions now and not after a new edition like is typical for GW. They are just going to fold them into a larger Codex: Chaos.

 Starfarer wrote:
They are 3 versions of power armor squads and then another version of powerarmor with jumpacks. Thats the whole army.

That's not even objectively true, never mind subjectively.

 Melissia wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:
They are 3 versions of power armor squads and then another version of powerarmor with jumpacks. Thats the whole army.

That's not even objectively true, never mind subjectively.

I forget the names, but isn't it basically bolter squads, special weapon squads and heavy weapon squads? And they Seraphim for the jump pack sqauds. What else is there?

They have the penitent engine and the ladies with robes and chainsaws

Indeed, Vash, that plus the three unique vehicles and the Rhino. It's a small army, but it's not just "three identical units and an HQ"

 Vash108 wrote:
They have the penitent engine and the ladies with robes and chainsaws

Which are ecclesiarchy units, like frateris militia or priests are. Those are easily units that could carry over into an Inquisition book.

 Melissia wrote:
Indeed, Vash, that plus the three unique vehicles and the Rhino. It's a small army, but it's not just "three identical units and an HQ"

I already mentioned the rhino, and the others are just rhino variants. The penitent engine is the only other unit that is truly unique. And that means GW isn't going to create a codex for one new kit. Not when they can put out a single plastic sisters squad that cover making units of the majority of Sisters squads that exist. They really just need jump packs, and they could release those separately in finecast like they did with the stormcast upgrade packs.


That covers most of the army. That's all they are going to put out. They aren't going to make new units or anything that doesn't already exist, that's nearly certain.

They'll just be another piece of the larger Imperium army for 40k. Hell, it was one of the more reliable rumor mongers who said all that was planned was a single box and a clamp pack in plastic, and said they might add more stuff later if it proved a popular release.

 Starfarer wrote:
I don't think it's the sole reasoning, but to assume there is substantial support coming for Sisters is naive. They aren't a popular army. They arent even fully a real army. They are 3 versions of power armor squads and then another version of powerarmor with jumpacks. Thats the whole army. They aren't going to come up with anything new for them, so why wouldn't they squeeze them in the Inquisition, which is really where they belong anyway. They don't have enough variety, and really they always had ecclesiarchy units to fill out a book anyway. When those types of units are already in the Inquisition codex, it makes sense to combine them.

Hell, we've seen Ad Mech and Genestealer Cult and Deathwatch get full armies before Sisters have had a single new release.

I think it's safe to assume they are being folded into the Inquisition dex and GW will move on to other things. Especially given that 8th edition will probably bring a consolidation of armies like AoS, it makes sense to start laying the groundwork for an army that will probably become "Codex: Imperium" in 8th edition.

It's the same reason we're seeing Legions now and not after a new edition like is typical for GW. They are just going to fold them into a larger Codex: Chaos.

Except that Aos is going in exactly the opposite direction. There are four grand alliances but 13 battletomes so far and they are just getting started. In 40k they have added two cult mechanics factions, an extra Eldar faction, an extra marine faction, an extra tyranid faction (kind of) and an extra chaos faction. This feels like exactly the time for a sisters book and range. We may see the factions arranged into alliances like AoS, but expect to see more books than ever.

 Starfarer wrote:

 Vash108 wrote:
They have the penitent engine and the ladies with robes and chainsaws

Which are ecclesiarchy units, like frateris militia or priests are. Those are easily units that could carry over into an Inquisition book.

Sisters Repentia are an Adepta Sororitas unit.

Chikout wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:
I don't think it's the sole reasoning, but to assume there is substantial support coming for Sisters is naive. They aren't a popular army. They arent even fully a real army. They are 3 versions of power armor squads and then another version of powerarmor with jumpacks. Thats the whole army. They aren't going to come up with anything new for them, so why wouldn't they squeeze them in the Inquisition, which is really where they belong anyway. They don't have enough variety, and really they always had ecclesiarchy units to fill out a book anyway. When those types of units are already in the Inquisition codex, it makes sense to combine them.

Hell, we've seen Ad Mech and Genestealer Cult and Deathwatch get full armies before Sisters have had a single new release.

I think it's safe to assume they are being folded into the Inquisition dex and GW will move on to other things. Especially given that 8th edition will probably bring a consolidation of armies like AoS, it makes sense to start laying the groundwork for an army that will probably become "Codex: Imperium" in 8th edition.

It's the same reason we're seeing Legions now and not after a new edition like is typical for GW. They are just going to fold them into a larger Codex: Chaos.

Except that Aos is going in exactly the opposite direction. There are four grand alliances but 13 battletomes so far and they are just getting started. In 40k they have added two cult mechanics factions, an extra Eldar faction, an extra marine faction, an extra tyranid faction (kind of) and an extra chaos faction. This feels like exactly the time for a sisters book and range. We may see the factions arranged into alliances like AoS, but expect to see more books than ever.

Right, but that took almost 2 years for AoS to get in its stride with new releases. If they released a full Sisters codex right before 8th edition, which is rumored for June, they would immediately invalidate a codex that's been anticipated for years.

So that's exactly why they'll get rolled in to the Imperial Agents codex, and then be part of the Imperium faction in 8th and might get a full book a few years down the road.

I'm not saying that's what they deserve, just what's likely to happen based on the cure entry release rumors, and the tI me line going forward and direction of 8th edition.

Sisters aren't any worse than Deathwatch with their 4 HQs, 1 Troops, 4 Elites, 5 FA(4 of which are dedicated transports), 3 HS. Sisters have around the same number of units. And if they are getting a new model range, they are likely going to get more.

Every darn sisters thread. They all end up like this.

Quick question, what belongs to whom exactly?
Afaik it's like this:

Sisters:
Canoness
Celestian
Repentia
Battle Sister
Seraphim
Dominion
Retributor
Dialogus
Hospitaller

Ecclesiarchy:
Priests
Arco-Flagellant - Punishment
Penitent Engine - Punishment
Frateris Militia - Rabble armed with whatever they can find, worse than cultists in pretty much all aspects

The thing I'm not sure about are Death Cult Assassins
They seem more like an Inquisitorial unit than something that belongs with the Sisters or the Ecclesiarchy.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Sisters aren't any worse than Deathwatch with their 4 HQs, 1 Troops, 4 Elites, 5 FA(4 of which are dedicated transports), 3 HS. Sisters have around the same number of units. And if they are getting a new model range, they are likely going to get more.

But Deathwatch are space marines, so that means they automatically deserve a codex.

I mean, the last Sisters Codex was the laziest release possible. It re-used existing artwork, existing fluff, and was released as an ebook only.

It's really not surprising to see them rolled into an Imperial Agents codex. That's what they were in 3rd Edition. Codex: Witch Hunters didn't even require any Sisters of Battle models to play.

I still think we're going to see new Sisters models eventually, though.

Frateris were briefly (and awesomely) replaced with redemptionists for an edition or two.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
I mean, the last Sisters Codex was the laziest release possible. It re-used existing artwork, existing fluff, and was released as an ebook only.

It's really not surprising to see them rolled into an Imperial Agents codex. That's what they were in 3rd Edition. Codex: Witch Hunters didn't even require any Sisters of Battle models to play.

I still think we're going to see new Sisters models eventually, though.

This is exactly what I'm saying.

I thought we got this thread broken up from Chaos Legions because this was suppose to be Imperial Agents. I guess this thread just became Sisters of Battle thread not Imperial Agents.

This thread should have never been split into two separate threads. Now instead of Imperil Agents we are just talking about Sisters of Battle.

Davor wrote:
I thought we got this thread broken up from Chaos Legions because this was suppose to be Imperial Agents. I guess this thread just became Sisters of Battle thread not Imperial Agents.

This thread should have never been split into two separate threads. Now instead of Imperil Agents we are just talking about Sisters of Battle.

You're a Long Time Dakkanaut, You should know by now that Sisters of Battle fans inevitably make any thread remotely about Sisters of Battle a thread about Sisters of Battle.

Davor wrote:
I thought we got this thread broken up from Chaos Legions because this was suppose to be Imperial Agents. I guess this thread just became Sisters of Battle thread not Imperial Agents.

This thread should have never been split into two separate threads. Now instead of Imperil Agents we are just talking about Sisters of Battle.

So what exactly are we to talk about regarding Imperial Agents? Sisters are in the codex and it was revealed today that there will be a finecast Canoness. What other news is there?

 Starfarer wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Sisters aren't any worse than Deathwatch with their 4 HQs, 1 Troops, 4 Elites, 5 FA(4 of which are dedicated transports), 3 HS. Sisters have around the same number of units. And if they are getting a new model range, they are likely going to get more.

But Deathwatch are space marines, so that means they automatically deserve a codex.

I have yet to see anyone making the argument that Sisters don't deserve a codex. I think that they will be in this book in addition to being in their own codex is great. Several different armies that have codexes, such as Grey Knights, Deathwatch, and Cult Mechanicus, will be in this book. This will just give all of those armies an alternative way to be played.

I definitely am going to make a squad of Legion of the Damned out of half of a Tactical Squad for use with this book. (I will need to get a lot of skulls to do it).

So, ignoring the complaints that people are doing about the fact that people are discussing the Imperial Agents book, its purpose and contents, and what this means for future army releases, merely because the discussion has after over two dozen pages turned to Sisters of Battle...

We've had numerous sources say that the Imperial Agents book is explicitly not going to replace any codex-- that is not its purpose. Its purpose is to allow for Imperial armies to take small units from a wide variety of sources with ease. And this is in line with my own prediction of the purpose of Imperial Agents book, which IMO was never intended to be an update or a statement of direction for any particular army that had a unit contained in it. It was intended as a "hey you want to grab some cool units that aren't in your codex well here's an easy way to do it" book.

Whomever thinks sisters are getting plastic and they may not get any new unheard of units hasn't been paying attention to GW lately. Nearly every plastic box is now a dual kit box and the fact a unit never existed before has absolutely no reasoning they won't create something new. Just look at all the new units that came out of no where and makes absolutely no sense fluff wise. I'm looking at you centurions!!!

 Melissia wrote:
So, ignoring the kinda hypocritical whining that people are doing about the fact that people are discussing the Imperial Agents book, its purpose and contents, and what this means for future army releases, merely because the discussion has after over two dozen pages turned to Sisters of Battle...

We've had numerous sources say that the Imperial Agents book is explicitly not going to replace any codex-- that is not its purpose. Its purpose is to allow for Imperial armies to take small units from a wide variety of sources with ease. And this is in line with my own prediction of the purpose of Imperial Agents book, which IMO was never intended to be an update or a statement of direction for any particular army that had a unit contained in it. It was intended as a "hey you want to grab some cool units that aren't in your codex well here's an easy way to do it" book.

Any codex means Deathwatch or Grey Knights, which was explicitly stated by their site.

It's worth saying that this will not replace existing printed codexes for the Deathwatch or Grey Knights – this just means that, if you want to add a small strike force of Elite Space Marines to your Imperial army (perhaps requisitioned by an Inquisitor, or high ranking officer), this book makes it easy for you to do so.

There are however a handful of changes, if their site is correct.

Much of this content is only available digitally at the moment, some of it is new, and much of it is updated.

Though it is nice that Ordo X can grab whatever small strike force as their warband aside from acolytes.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Any codex means Deathwatch or Grey Knights, which was explicitly stated by their site.

Notice the wording there. Sisters don't have a printed codex to replace. You're reading far too much in to it.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
There are however a handful of changes, if their site is correct.

I am not really convinced that's more than a marketing blurb-- pretty sure there will be very few material changes to the units in the Imperial Agents book as compared to the base codices.

Wait so LotD will be in here as well?

I remember them being listed as included. Too lazy to search the thread to confirm.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Wait so LotD will be in here as well?

Yes, they were listed on the blurb on the Warhammer Community site.

On Atia's blog, she hints at a board game coming with plastic Inquisitors, possibly Inquisitor done in 28mm. Who knows, maybe they will rerelease Watch Captain Artemis in that too.

I am starting to like this book more and more. : D

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Wait so LotD will be in here as well?

Yes, they were listed on the blurb on the Warhammer Community site.

On Atia's blog, she hints at a board game coming with plastic Inquisitors, possibly Inquisitor done in 28mm. Who knows, maybe they will rerelease Watch Captain Artemis in that too.

Well this is my 40k holy grail. I love the idea of inq28 but lack the conversion chops. There was a similar rumour a few years ago and I was heart broken when it turned out to be false.
If inq28 does come with a full range of Inquisitors and henchmen, I will happily crown this the new golden age of GW.

I just had a talk with my trade rep at GW. The model is resin, comes with rules in the box. Max of 5 per shop at the moment.

 Starfarer wrote:
I already mentioned the rhino, and the others are just rhino variants. The penitent engine is the only other unit that is truly unique. And that means GW isn't going to create a codex for one new kit. Not when they can put out a single plastic sisters squad that cover making units of the majority of Sisters squads that exist.

There are already armies in the game that use 1-2 kits to make basically everything. Sisters wouldn't be any different. I don't see why what your describing is an issue.

 Starfarer wrote:
They really just need jump packs, and they could release those separately in finecast like they did with the stormcast upgrade packs.

They wouldn't do that with a core choice. They would make a plastic 5 model box for Seraphim and (if the Emperor is merciful) a 10 model regular Sisters box with a few heavy weapons in it. They could even do a 5 model Retributor box and put more heavy weapons in there and give the Sisters heavier armour. A combo-Immolator/Exorcist, a Rhino kit, a few HQ's and bingo. A whole army. It'd be as much as the Grey Knights have, if not more.

 Starfarer wrote:
They aren't going to make new units or anything that doesn't already exist, that's nearly certain.

Why?


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Davor wrote:
I thought we got this thread broken up from Chaos Legions because this was suppose to be Imperial Agents. I guess this thread just became Sisters of Battle thread not Imperial Agents.

This thread should have never been split into two separate threads. Now instead of Imperil Agents we are just talking about Sisters of Battle.

Sisters of Battle are in Imperial Agents, ergo this thread is still about that. Discussing the implications of such an inclusion is perfectly on topic.

And why are we always so hung up about topic here? Conversations develop over time and wander around the main topic. Sisters are in this book, therefore Sisters can be a topic.

 Starfarer wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:
They are 3 versions of power armor squads and then another version of powerarmor with jumpacks. Thats the whole army.

That's not even objectively true, never mind subjectively.

I forget the names, but isn't it basically bolter squads, special weapon squads and heavy weapon squads? And they Seraphim for the jump pack sqauds. What else is there?

Don't feed the Troll - this one talks complete nonsense so best to ignore.

Going back to the actual topic it may be that a specific Ordo Inquisitors unlock their chamber militant and there may be a formation thing for that?

Contacted my FLGS, he'll find out today whether or not he'll be getting any of those Canoness models. I've pre-ordered one just in case it's an awesome sculpt.

Hope I'll be able to get one

Also Atia said there will be a re-print of the Island of Blood Box up for pre-order on the 17th? The Christmas present I didn't even know I needed. Never got IoB but the models are some of the best imo especially for a starter set. What a month this has turned out to be.

GW manages to rescue 2016.

Seems there might be a new faction in 40K: Imperial Forces
All assassins are part of this faction as are Imperial Knights?
Is this old and I have simply missed it until now?

I doubt it's gonna work in a normal factions way. Seems to be something different.

 Crimson wrote:
Don't worry haters, Blanche is pretty old so I'm sure he'll retire soon enough. Then we can all enjoy 40K devolving into a boring generic scifi mush.

He's fairly active recently, especially in the iq28 scene.

Thing to consider: Grey Knights only have 3 individual unique multipart kits (PA squad, terminator squad and dreadknight) which can be assambled as 7 different unit types, as well as a bunch of resin characters. Sisters would probably have the same, if not more (PA sisters, seraphim, repentia and penatent engines.)

 JohnnyHell wrote:
I doubt it's gonna work in a normal factions way. Seems to be something different.

I am expecting every faction in this book to have their individual factions, not to be lumped into one overarching faction. Which is fine by me, since if the Deathwatch detachment provides better options than the standard Allied Detachment, I am going to use Watch Captain Artemis (since he can replace any Watch Captain in a Deathwatch detachment) in place of the inevitable Watch Captain that is in this book.

Are they going to bring back oop models ?
The gw com site shows an oop inq model in all its glory.

Probably like they did with IG and the Daemonettes? I have not heard anything about it though.

God, would love it if they did that, loved those old inquisitor + retinue sets, wish I picked up the WG one back in the day, love that lexmechanic and acolyte with the flamer arms!

Yes. This is probably my favourite gw release ever.

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Hope I'll be able to get one

Also Atia said there will be a re-print of the Island of Blood Box up for pre-order on the 17th? The Christmas present I didn't even know I needed. Never got IoB but the models are some of the best imo especially for a starter set. What a month this has turned out to be.

GW manages to rescue 2016.

???

???

Reprint the starter box from a game they killed? Would it be AoS'ed?

Damn, GW seems to have read my mind as I wanted to make a force of DeathWatch allied with Military Tempestus (and maybe SoB if they have new models soon). Bought a lot of DW models but was very disappointed by their codex (the combining of units, apart from termi and veterans, seems so silly to me as you don't fully benefit from the movement of the bikes and vanguard veterans, plus the rules from the formations felt uninspired ), hopefully this will allow me to build an army which will better fit my thematic.

Hopefully they will do a made to order for the oop inquisition stuff.

I am liking that you can bring units from other factions like Grey Knights without needing to bring an entire GK Detachment. What I find shocking is the lack of Militarum Tempestus but the inclusion of Legion of the Damned (didn't think they had any sort of connection with the I'm interested in what Astra Telepathica and Aeronautica Imperialis would include as they are not currently playable factions. Hopefully its something interesting and not just "you can take Psykers or Valkyries". Still while im glad that the Inq is getting some attention I hope that attention spreads to GK, MT, and Sisters as they are all factions in need of support.

So wait, does this have Cult Mech AND Skitarii?

Umbros wrote:

So wait, does this have Cult Mech AND Skitarii?

As of right now, we only know it has Cult Mech.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Davor wrote:
I thought we got this thread broken up from Chaos Legions because this was suppose to be Imperial Agents. I guess this thread just became Sisters of Battle thread not Imperial Agents.

This thread should have never been split into two separate threads. Now instead of Imperil Agents we are just talking about Sisters of Battle.

You're a Long Time Dakkanaut, You should know by now that Sisters of Battle fans inevitably make any thread remotely about Sisters of Battle a thread about Sisters of Battle.

Yes I know. Just wanted to say because someone felt it was an issue to break it up so it's Imperial Agents only, but how ironic instead it turned into a Sisters of Battle thread which he should have asked in the first place and now he is quiet since no Imperial Agent talk is being talked about.

MadCowCrazy wrote:

Davor wrote:
I thought we got this thread broken up from Chaos Legions because this was suppose to be Imperial Agents. I guess this thread just became Sisters of Battle thread not Imperial Agents.

This thread should have never been split into two separate threads. Now instead of Imperil Agents we are just talking about Sisters of Battle.

So what exactly are we to talk about regarding Imperial Agents? Sisters are in the codex and it was revealed today that there will be a finecast Canoness. What other news is there?

You didn't see the emoicon showing the tongue sticking out? You didn't see it was a joke and in fun? Ok how about 40K general forum and talk about Sisters of Battles? Where is this new news you are talking from? Where are the rumours? Oh the finecast Canoness you say? Maybe I missed that since I have seen two straight pages or more of people picking on Mellissa. That is a discussion? That is news and rumours? Or how about just talking about Sisters of Battle but has no revilance to news or rumours?

Geez when I forget to use the emicon, I am told I need to use them to show humour and when I do use it, some people still don't know what a joke is. Like serious dude yo actually thought I was serious especially with a troll sticking his tongue out doing a zuber?

I can with 99.99% certainty confirm that the Canoness model is the 2E codex cover one.

Umbros wrote:

So wait, does this have Cult Mech AND Skitarii?

Nobody knows, there are no leaks until friday.

It does not have Cult mech or Skitarii. It has gun servitors.

Wait what no leaks until friday.... How does this "leaking" work

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

On Atia's blog, she hints at a board game coming with plastic Inquisitors, possibly Inquisitor done in 28mm.

Wait what? That's like the best news ever!

(I remember there was a rumour like this years ago, but nothing came of it then.)

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
I can with 99.99% certainty confirm that the Canoness model is the 2E codex cover one.

*SIGH* Here we go again:



No way in hell I'm passing on such an iconic character.

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
It does not have Cult mech or Skitarii. It has gun servitors.

Do you have the book, because the blurb says otherwise.

This is a book that compiles together loads of specialist forces that commonly operate alongside other armies within the Imperium – including agents from the Inquisition, Officio Assassinorum, Deathwatch, Grey Knights, Adepta Sororitas, Cult Mechanicus, Adeptus Astra Telepathica, Aeronautica Imperialis, and even the Legion of the Damned.

Got a feeling the CultMech content might be electropriests as a reference to the 2nd ed. agents of the Imperium book.

No, I don't have the book. Hmm, I was sure I saw it mention gun servitors somewhere and I figured those are cult mechanicus?

Why would cult mechanicus be in the codex but not skitarii? This is another reason I don't think there will be anything other than gun servitors, then again those are henchmen so perhaps I'm completely off?

It occurred to me that with the inquisition boxed game rumour, we may see a deathwatch style approach to the sisters. 7th edition rules now, minis in the boxed game, then a codex after 8th edition.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

On Atia's blog, she hints at a board game coming with plastic Inquisitors, possibly Inquisitor done in 28mm.

that would be awsome

 Crimson wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

On Atia's blog, she hints at a board game coming with plastic Inquisitors, possibly Inquisitor done in 28mm.

Wait what? That's like the best news ever!

(I remember there was a rumour like this years ago, but nothing came of it then.)

I think fuel might have been added to these rumours because of all the Inquisitor or Chaos warbands featured in the Blanchitsu pages of Warhammer:Visions

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
No, I don't have the book. Hmm, I was sure I saw it mention gun servitors somewhere and I figured those are cult mechanicus?

Why would cult mechanicus be in the codex but not skitarii? This is another reason I don't think there will be anything other than gun servitors, then again those are henchmen so perhaps I'm completely off?

Who knows. If they put Skitarii in, you could use the Start Collecting: Skitarii set right out of the box. Perhaps they didn't list all of the armies. I seem to remember reading, at some point, that there would be eleven different armies represented in this book. Perhaps Skitarii are one of remaining two not listed. I thought I remembered seeing something regarding Stormtroopers as well.

terry wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

On Atia's blog, she hints at a board game coming with plastic Inquisitors, possibly Inquisitor done in 28mm.

that would be awsome

please let this happen

S.Y.

 StupidYellow wrote:

terry wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

On Atia's blog, she hints at a board game coming with plastic Inquisitors, possibly Inquisitor done in 28mm.

that would be awsome

please let this happen

S.Y.

Oh man I want a plastic Inquisitor to add ally into my army with those silly grenades.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Sisters aren't any worse than Deathwatch with their 4 HQs, 1 Troops, 4 Elites, 5 FA(4 of which are dedicated transports), 3 HS. Sisters have around the same number of units. And if they are getting a new model range, they are likely going to get more.

But Deathwatch are space marines, so that means they automatically deserve a codex.

I have yet to see anyone making the argument that Sisters don't deserve a codex. I think that they will be in this book in addition to being in their own codex is great. Several different armies that have codexes, such as Grey Knights, Deathwatch, and Cult Mechanicus, will be in this book. This will just give all of those armies an alternative way to be played.

I definitely am going to make a squad of Legion of the Damned out of half of a Tactical Squad for use with this book. (I will need to get a lot of skulls to do it).

Enginseers, the only Mechanicus model aside from Servitors we have confirmed right now from this book, are Astra Militarum models not Cult Mechanicus.
We're also seeing the "Wyrdvane Psykers" from Militarum here as part of the Telepathicus. I thought we saw mention of the Primaris Psyker too, but I can't be certain about that.


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 MadCowCrazy wrote:
No, I don't have the book. Hmm, I was sure I saw it mention gun servitors somewhere and I figured those are cult mechanicus?

Why would cult mechanicus be in the codex but not skitarii? This is another reason I don't think there will be anything other than gun servitors, then again those are henchmen so perhaps I'm completely off?

I don't think we're actually going to see anything from Codex: Cult Mechanicus. Silly as it sounds, the wording choice might be a poor one since it's not just a faction in the game but the background as well.

Only thing I've seen definitively mentioned was the Techpriest Enginseer--and he's not in Codex: Cult Mechanicus. Nor are the Servitors that accompany him("Gun Servitors"). The Kataphron Destroyers/Breachers are their own unique thing at this juncture, separate from the Gun Servitors of yore.

Chikout wrote:
It occurred to me that with the inquisition boxed game rumour, we may see a deathwatch style approach to the sisters. 7th edition rules now, minis in the boxed game, then a codex after 8th edition.

Forgive me if I am off, but Deathwatch had two boardgames in 7th, AND a codex in 7th...

Again, this book really isn't designed to replace a full codex for any of the factions contained inside. It exists so you can throw together a small detachment from them in to your army, without fussing with unfavorable allies rules.

 BloodGrin wrote:

Chikout wrote:
It occurred to me that with the inquisition boxed game rumour, we may see a deathwatch style approach to the sisters. 7th edition rules now, minis in the boxed game, then a codex after 8th edition.

Forgive me if I am off, but Deathwatch had two boardgames in 7th, AND a codex in 7th...

He means that Sisters could get the same thing.

I doubt Sisters will get a board game, but current rumors suggest (heap of salt here) that Sisters will get a codex early next year.

Stay strong Sister friends.

We just gotta believe!

 Vash108 wrote:

 StupidYellow wrote:

terry wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

On Atia's blog, she hints at a board game coming with plastic Inquisitors, possibly Inquisitor done in 28mm.

that would be awsome

please let this happen

S.Y.

Oh man I want a plastic Inquisitor to add ally into my army with those silly grenades.

i think the iQ28 group I'm in would explode with a mix of WTF and Squee

heres hoping we get some cool minor Xenos too

S.Y.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
No, I don't have the book. Hmm, I was sure I saw it mention gun servitors somewhere and I figured those are cult mechanicus?

Why would cult mechanicus be in the codex but not skitarii? This is another reason I don't think there will be anything other than gun servitors, then again those are henchmen so perhaps I'm completely off?

Who knows. If they put Skitarii in, you could use the Start Collecting: Skitarii set right out of the box. Perhaps they didn't list all of the armies. I seem to remember reading, at some point, that there would be eleven different armies represented in this book. Perhaps Skitarii are one of remaining two not listed. I thought I remembered seeing something regarding Stormtroopers as well.

The current inquisition codex mentions some inquisitors having Skitarii as ground troopers.

 Melissia wrote:
I doubt Sisters will get a board game, but current rumors suggest (heap of salt here) that Sisters will get a codex early next year.

unless gw is playing a joke on us, then plastic sisters of battle are on there way. I can't imagine that they would do that without a new codex

inquisition codex wrote:Where these individuals are recruited from depends upon the character of the Inquisitor, and the nature of his work. Some Inquisitors induct from only the most gloried institutions of the Adeptus Terra; the Schola Progenium, the Skitarii Legions or the Chambers Militant of the Ecclesiarchy. Others prefer the knife-edge reactions and gutter instincts of bounty hunters, underhive mutants and rogue frontiersmen. No matter where or how they are recruited, these Acolytes must exhibit exceptional qualities or resilience, determination and loyalty to their master, for they will be entrusted with many terrible tasks and are expected to excel in their completion.

 oldzoggy wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
No, I don't have the book. Hmm, I was sure I saw it mention gun servitors somewhere and I figured those are cult mechanicus?

Why would cult mechanicus be in the codex but not skitarii? This is another reason I don't think there will be anything other than gun servitors, then again those are henchmen so perhaps I'm completely off?

Who knows. If they put Skitarii in, you could use the Start Collecting: Skitarii set right out of the box. Perhaps they didn't list all of the armies. I seem to remember reading, at some point, that there would be eleven different armies represented in this book. Perhaps Skitarii are one of remaining two not listed. I thought I remembered seeing something regarding Stormtroopers as well.

The current inquisition codex mentions some inquisitors having Skitarii as ground troopers.

You could really get a motley crew going, I like it.

 StupidYellow wrote:

 Vash108 wrote:

 StupidYellow wrote:

terry wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

On Atia's blog, she hints at a board game coming with plastic Inquisitors, possibly Inquisitor done in 28mm.

that would be awsome

please let this happen

S.Y.

Oh man I want a plastic Inquisitor to add ally into my army with those silly grenades.

i think the iQ28 group I'm in would explode with a mix of WTF and Squee

heres hoping we get some cool minor Xenos too

S.Y.

PS. to add some more weight to the rumor, in this months white dwarf in the blanchitsu section, they mentioned they made rules for the pelgrim. So those rules might be the basic for the boxed game