A new Abby model needs to be designed with the option to not have the arms attached. Anything else is heresy of the highest order
Also in the spirit of not having X faction on the cover of the Jan WD.....
Wut da zog Gee Dubya? Were are da bleedin Orkz at ya gitz? Itz bin ulmost 2 yearz senz we had sum proppa Orky stuff and dem chaos boyz had been gettin gak evry utha month. If it aint chaos crazies its them spess mahreen gitz wif der zogging spesshul chapta dakurionz and supa weirdboy mahreen powaz. Im gettin fed up wiff da boyz gettin da short end of da choppa. Zog da empera, zog dem kult mahreens, zog da umies, zog da panzes, and zog dem blue gitz while yer at it.
But seriously though I hope this ever expanding storyline doesn't turn into just a bunch of Chaos vs IoM with all the xenos taking a back seat. That said I am somewhat interested in seeing where things are going with all of this.
While I am not saying that there will be new Sisters, I am wondering why they are being written off fo ...aggressively in this thread.
Because they are not on the cover of White Dwarf?
Thousand Sons were not on the cover either...Blood Bowl was.
January is anyone's guess.
BloodGrin wrote: While I am not saying that there will be new Sisters, I am wondering why they are being written off fo ...aggressively in this thread.
Because they are not on the cover of White Dwarf?
Thousand Sons were not on the cover either...Blood Bowl was.
January is anyone's guess.
Intellectually I know that, but ultimately a visceral emotional reaction was what came out of my...fingers I guess? I've had some time to calm down now and while I don't think SoB are coming out in January, it is still a possibility. Chaos is getting new stuff pretty much guaranteed so at least someone is happy. Besides, I've waited 20+ years for plastic SoB what's a few more?
Anything that isn't Sisters is irrelevant to me. I understand that a lot of people care about chaos or the fluff or w/e but as far as I'm concerned 40k is just a vessel used to release Sisters of battle. Oh well, saves me a few hundred bucks in new Sisters plastics I don't have to buy. Oooh, I can get my 40$ back for the Adepticon 40k Champs too!
So you're literally in a rumour thread for Imperial Agents and Traitor Legions...throwing a fit at the fact it's not Sisters of Battle.
Okaaaay. That's special.
Imperial agents is Sisters of Battle. It is relevant to the conversation. And yeah, I'm a little bitter. Look, you got your new thousands sons, you got your new Abaddon and probably Deathguard coming, new chapter tactics, enjoy it. This is a cool time to be a Chaos player, but it does suck that all the many, many things we've been hearing about new Sisters amount to nothing. Give me my few minutes of bitterness, I think the fact that I still have and have to use models from 2nd Ed allots me that courtesy.
Actually, half the Sisters' range dates from 3rd ed. Half of it was released after the CSM 3.5 release with Codex Witchhunters. Also, the age of your models? Matters not a damn. Did you know the Sisters digital codex is actually NEWER than the CSM codex? Did you know that? Bet that's a surprise to you.
And it's not JUST Sisters of Battle. In fact, most of the rumours are pointing to it not necessarily being a full SoB codex but a collection of a squad or two - perhaps to allow the old Inquisition led 'oddities' similar to the set up of Daemonhunters/Witchhunters in 3rd ed. Of course, it could be a full compilation/reprint as GW are shying away from dataslate and digital only releases so that would make logical sense as well.
And hey, perhaps we're not hearing anything about New Sisters yet because the Imperial Agents book is some 2 weeks away. We didn't start seeing solid Thousand Sons rumours til a week or so before the pre-order so hey, perhaps that's an indicator.
But coming here and declaring your opinion as the only relevant one.
HOO. That's rich.
Knew that about about the codex, but if the models age is irrelevent, than why is the codex age relevant? I also didn't say that my opinion is the only relevant one, I said that it's the only relevant one to me, which is true of anyone, you clearly don't care that I think Sisters is the more interesting release so why should you care if I think Chaos stuff is boring?
You like Chaos and are excited about the new model, awesome, enjoy it. I wanted Sisters and am probably not getting any, sucks, but after a little bit of venting I'm over it. You go focus on how cool the new Abaddon sculpt is gonna be especially after Ahriman came out and I'll go back to lamenting in a corner like I was before. We never need to interact again if you don't want to.
So Sisters will be getting a codex all to themselves and Chaos while a cool looking update is only fraction of what chaos is so far. This is why people take your opinion as more of a wine and cheese fest.
You need to take releases one at a time. Sisters will come. But as for us Chaos players hey it's another book to add to the pile that updates a little bit of chaos at a time, we still don't even have a full update yet.
Will Sisters be getting a Codex all to themselves? It looks like right now they're getting baked into imperial agents. But I digress.
It was wrong of me to try and deny chaos players their time in the spotlight, to be sure, but think back to when you heard about Angels of Death for the first time or any of the other many, many space marine releases and looked over at your codex floundering in the corner and took to the internet and said things you weren't entirely proud of. I know I'm not alone in that knee-jerk reaction, I've seen it, I've seen it from some of the people in this thread before, no one here is a saint.
So let's move forward shall we? For example, traitor legions is coming soon out but with Tsons out already and BL getting at least some love in January, are releases like this going to overwrite the TL rules or are you getting the TL 'chapter tactics' on top of the book rules?
It doesn't really say anything new but there is this:
"pecial rules with names like “The Butcher’s Nails”, “Many Heads of the Hydra” and “Iron Within, Iron Without” bring the well-loved background of the Heretic Astartes to life, and will be available to any detachment or formation pledged to the appropriate Legion (much like their loyalist brethren have access to Space Marine Chapter Tactics).
In addition, every Legion gets a Warlord Traits table, Chaos Artefacts and a dedicated Detachment of Formations, further rewarding armies that mirror the Legions as they appear in the background."
So every legion is getting their own decurion by the looks. That's more than I was expecing.
I wonder what that means for non TSons legions. I would expect them to copy paste the Wrath of Magnus formations without the daemon only parts. Unless we get all new formations (a man can dream right?)
They better not copy black legion 100% from the supplement though. Just paying for VOTLW and nothing else would make them pretty bad in comparison to other legions I would imagine.
So let's move forward shall we? For example, traitor legions is coming soon out but with Tsons out already and BL getting at least some love in January, are releases like this going to overwrite the TL rules or are you getting the TL 'chapter tactics' on top of the book rules?
I think that is one of the main issues. I wish all of it was just put in one book for a end all update. What if people don't buy the new books and only have old ones, what rules do they use if they don't have them? How many books is that now? 10 including the Data slates? I am also counting Deamon books since those interweaved. Just feels like it has been partial updates on tpo of partial updates.
I may be missing some:
Chaos Codex
Deamon Codex
Black Legion
Crimson Slaughter
Khorne Deamonkin
Helbrute data slate
Cypher data slate
Belekor data slate
Wrath of Magnus
Traitors Hate
A new Abby mini could be good. GW are 1 from 2 on re-doing the old Chaos Characters, so here's hoping he's more like the new Ahriman than the new Kharn.
They better not copy black legion 100% from the supplement though. Just paying for VOTLW and nothing else would make them pretty bad in comparison to other legions I would imagine.
Don't ruin this for me, I need at least a week to dream of what might be
(But yeah they're totally doing that for the Black Legion. Black Legion supplement rules + Traitor's Hate Black Crusade detachment, oh well happy for the other Legions at least)
I'm not sure about rules. The way they set up this black crusade in traitor's hate sounds an awful lot like he's off on an adventure to get some of that power horus and the emperor had. So currently he would be at his normal strength.
On the other hand, with this presumably the final crusade it would make some sense to already give him the rules/model to reflect that state, more so with there not being a primarch for Black Legion and that being the legion responsable for this new push to terra.
Of course these days anything is possible really. Except a new csm codex apparently.
I thought it said that he had already received the blessings of each of the Chaos gods as part or and in between his other 12 Black Crusades, along with permanently destroying obstacles to his ultimate push towards Terra.
Either way, I'm all for a new Abbadon model!
He gets a report from Xorphas while looking at the eye of terror and then: "Now he must go deeper than ever before... 'to grasp the power to win the entire war. That power would be his...".
To me it reads like the 13th crusade came and went in that one battle lol. He just needed that cage open and it will be open eventually, so now he abandons everybody and goes to seek this ominous power.
He has the blessing of all 4 gods, but imho the emperor and horus had more than just that going on. Or I'm deluding myself and it's just because they were super duper humans and this is something else.
Roknar wrote: Of course these days anything is possible really. Except a new csm codex apparently.
If this cover does herald a new Abbadon model, then I'm even more convinced that GW are using campaign books and supplement releases to update the CSM range as much as possible before a new codex.
I don't play IG but they really need Marbo back lol, he was just that awesome. Even on the tabletop.
The things that guy did on occasion... pure win lol
Roknar wrote: Of course these days anything is possible really. Except a new csm codex apparently.
If this cover does herald a new Abbadon model, then I'm even more convinced that GW are using campaign books and supplement releases to update the CSM range as much as possible before a new codex.
I think it's pretty much confirmed if we do indeed get a deathguard campaign book like TSons got. At the very least it's guaranteed that we won't be getting a new codex until the new edition hits, whenever that is.
This model of staggered releases is fine with me, it just sucks that we're stuck with old tech for a long time. I'm sure they would give us kai guns back if with the release of a new codex, but I don't see that happening for any individual legion/warband.
Although maybe...maybe they could release a dark mirror to agents of the imperium with dark mech and stuff. Let's keep the dream alive
Roknar wrote: Of course these days anything is possible really. Except a new csm codex apparently.
If this cover does herald a new Abbadon model, then I'm even more convinced that GW are using campaign books and supplement releases to update the CSM range as much as possible before a new codex.
Make a note: when was the last time any unit got updated rules that wasn't tied in with a new model? Small updates to Tau over a year ago? I believe that they're setting up for a switch to a living codex like they have in AoS. They won't release a new CSM codex when no existing army has gotten an updated codex in over a year (only new codices since then with Deathwatch and GSC, plus supplements). It's pretty obvious imo that they're setting up for dataslates to be on the website and probably an app, and then have the supplements/campaign books have the formations/artifacts/etc.
They better not copy black legion 100% from the supplement though. Just paying for VOTLW and nothing else would make them pretty bad in comparison to other legions I would imagine.
Don't ruin this for me, I need at least a week to dream of what might be
(But yeah they're totally doing that for the Black Legion. Black Legion supplement rules + Traitor's Hate Black Crusade detachment, oh well happy for the other Legions at least)
Well, if we get a new model for abbadon, we should get updated rules. Ahriman got a new disc, so here's to drachnyen getting its phase property back. So we might still get ...something^^
I don't play IG but they really need Marbo back lol, he was just that awesome. Even on the tabletop.
The things that guy did on occasion... pure win lol
Roknar wrote: Of course these days anything is possible really. Except a new csm codex apparently.
If this cover does herald a new Abbadon model, then I'm even more convinced that GW are using campaign books and supplement releases to update the CSM range as much as possible before a new codex.
I think it's pretty much confirmed if we do indeed get a deathguard campaign book like TSons got. At the very least it's guaranteed that we won't be getting a new codex until the new edition hits, whenever that is.
This model of staggered releases is fine with me, it just sucks that we're stuck with old tech for a long time. I'm sure they would give us kai guns back if with the release of a new codex, but I don't see that happening for any individual legion/warband.
Although maybe...maybe they could release a dark mirror to agents of the imperium with dark mech and stuff. Let's keep the dream alive
Since Warhammer Community thankfully posted this today with a good glimpse of what's in the book I can at least say this much. Afaik no new models with this release and Imperial Agents at the moment, though in 2017...woah nelly I'm a Death Guard player in 30K and probably will be in 40K eventually (though sticking with Building a TS army off the Wrath of Magnus release and then once I win the lottery, naturally, a 30K TS legion since Inferno will be out in February.) ...but, back to DG. Can't say anything specific until the review but I'm quite pleased with the DG rules, warlord traits, expanded Nurgle lore, artefacts, 6 specific objective cards and bonuses. But disclaimer: I'm only now with TS release becoming a CSM player for the first time so my expectations and satisfaction with content may be vastly different from anyone's, and I don't care for competitive 40K (especially the past 2 years), but I feel the fluff/theme of the legions is reflected well in the new rules. I'm also an Ork player and while I would love new or even better rules (especially for the Gork/Morkanauts) I fully understand Chaos players are long overdue for some attention and they're rightfully moved to the front of the queue.
To all my fellow sons of Mortarion, Count the Seven!
@Razor'sE... ha, brilliant! Marbo is da man. If The Duncan was a miniature, it would be Marbo
They better not copy black legion 100% from the supplement though. Just paying for VOTLW and nothing else would make them pretty bad in comparison to other legions I would imagine.
Don't ruin this for me, I need at least a week to dream of what might be
(But yeah they're totally doing that for the Black Legion. Black Legion supplement rules + Traitor's Hate Black Crusade detachment, oh well happy for the other Legions at least)
Well, if we get a new model for abbadon, we should get updated rules. Ahriman got a new disc, so here's to drachnyen getting its phase property back. So we might still get ...something^^
If they give Abaddon Strength D I would be sooooo happy. (I mean keep the AP3 S8 at Initative Lightning Claw give him the one Destroyer Attack)
I'd love to see multi-part plastic "Dark Vengeance" Chosen as well but I would guess this side of Xmas we might see a release like Kharn.
Anything that isn't Sisters is irrelevant to me. I understand that a lot of people care about chaos or the fluff or w/e but as far as I'm concerned 40k is just a vessel used to release Sisters of battle. Oh well, saves me a few hundred bucks in new Sisters plastics I don't have to buy. Oooh, I can get my 40$ back for the Adepticon 40k Champs too!
So you're literally in a rumour thread for Imperial Agents and Traitor Legions...throwing a fit at the fact it's not Sisters of Battle.
Okaaaay. That's special.
Imperial agents is Sisters of Battle. It is relevant to the conversation. And yeah, I'm a little bitter. Look, you got your new thousands sons, you got your new Abaddon and probably Deathguard coming, new chapter tactics, enjoy it. This is a cool time to be a Chaos player, but it does suck that all the many, many things we've been hearing about new Sisters amount to nothing. Give me my few minutes of bitterness, I think the fact that I still have and have to use models from 2nd Ed allots me that courtesy.
Actually, half the Sisters' range dates from 3rd ed. Half of it was released after the CSM 3.5 release with Codex Witchhunters. Also, the age of your models? Matters not a damn. Did you know the Sisters digital codex is actually NEWER than the CSM codex? Did you know that? Bet that's a surprise to you.
And it's not JUST Sisters of Battle. In fact, most of the rumours are pointing to it not necessarily being a full SoB codex but a collection of a squad or two - perhaps to allow the old Inquisition led 'oddities' similar to the set up of Daemonhunters/Witchhunters in 3rd ed. Of course, it could be a full compilation/reprint as GW are shying away from dataslate and digital only releases so that would make logical sense as well.
And hey, perhaps we're not hearing anything about New Sisters yet because the Imperial Agents book is some 2 weeks away. We didn't start seeing solid Thousand Sons rumours til a week or so before the pre-order so hey, perhaps that's an indicator.
But coming here and declaring your opinion as the only relevant one.
HOO. That's rich.
Knew that about about the codex, but if the models age is irrelevent, than why is the codex age relevant? I also didn't say that my opinion is the only relevant one, I said that it's the only relevant one to me, which is true of anyone, you clearly don't care that I think Sisters is the more interesting release so why should you care if I think Chaos stuff is boring?
You like Chaos and are excited about the new model, awesome, enjoy it. I wanted Sisters and am probably not getting any, sucks, but after a little bit of venting I'm over it. You go focus on how cool the new Abaddon sculpt is gonna be especially after Ahriman came out and I'll go back to lamenting in a corner like I was before. We never need to interact again if you don't want to.
So Sisters will be getting a codex all to themselves and Chaos while a cool looking update is only fraction of what chaos is so far. This is why people take your opinion as more of a wine and cheese fest.
You need to take releases one at a time. Sisters will come. But as for us Chaos players hey it's another book to add to the pile that updates a little bit of chaos at a time, we still don't even have a full update yet.
Now you know why I have issues with taking Sisters players seriously.
Kanluwen wrote:Everything about this book, in terms of the way it has been getting previewed/showcased, suggests a book that is intended to provide Allied formations/Detachments rather than playable armies.
Formation Detatchment (aka Decurion) or even playable formations is something really GK need at the moment. I am looking forward that this is exactly what Imperial Agents will deliver.
GK creep around with 2 Formations that require specific units instead of that modern "built your own"-style like "2-5 of unit X" and "0-3 of unit Y". And they're both far beyond 2000 points - without equipment. So literally not existent, because unplayable...
Kanluwen wrote:Everything about this book, in terms of the way it has been getting previewed/showcased, suggests a book that is intended to provide Allied formations/Detachments rather than playable armies.
Formation Detatchment (aka Decurion) or even playable formations is something really GK need at the moment. I am looking forward that this is exactly what Imperial Agents will deliver.
GK creep around with 2 Formations that require specific units instead of that modern "built your own"-style like "2-5 of unit X" and "0-3 of unit Y". And they're both far beyond 2000 points - without equipment. So literally not existent, because unplayable...
Formations are really all that matter in the game right now. A formation is much better than an allied Detachment in nearly every case.
I have the same lost hope I have for Traitor Legions that I had for Traitor's Hate: make the Khorne aspects usable in KDK. It's annoying as hell to work in any allies into a KDK army as it is, and nothing in the TH book helped. I'm really hoping World Eaters will have a small little box in their section stating the legion rules for them can be used in KDK formations and detachments, at least for the marines in KDK since they are so underwhelming compared to their deamon counterparts.
What I'm hoping for is that the Black legion gets a new update in the Traitor legions supplement and the existing Black Legion supplement is invalidated, so people don't need 2 books for black legion. Also hope wrath of magnus is copy pasted into the traitor legions as well
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: Now you know why I have issues with taking Sisters players seriously.
I'm sorry is this coming from people that whine about having too much new stuff to play with?
Vash108 wrote: I may be missing some:
Chaos Codex
Deamon Codex
Black Legion
Crimson Slaughter
Khorne Deamonkin
Helbrute data slate
Cypher data slate
Belekor data slate
Wrath of Magnus
Traitors Hate
Having so many new cool stuff that you can't even track it all seems to make you so miserable .
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: Now you know why I have issues with taking Sisters players seriously.
I'm sorry is this coming from people that whine about having too much new stuff to play with?
Vash108 wrote: I may be missing some:
Chaos Codex
Deamon Codex
Black Legion
Crimson Slaughter
Khorne Deamonkin
Helbrute data slate
Cypher data slate
Belekor data slate
Wrath of Magnus
Traitors Hate
Having so many new cool stuff that you can't even track it all seems to make you so miserable .
90% of the "new cool stuff" is not great. Wrath of Magnus is good, KDK is kind of good to ok, Traitors Hate is just ok. You must not play CSM to not realize how middling all these updates to a lackluster/bad codex are. Wrath of Magnus pretty much says "feth the CSM Codex" and replaces a lot of the nonsense with themed gak that works. The hope of every CSM player is that Traitor Legions does that for every other themed CSM army, making the codex actually fun instead of "take as much of X as you can or you will lose badly".
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: Now you know why I have issues with taking Sisters players seriously.
I'm sorry is this coming from people that whine about having too much new stuff to play with?
Vash108 wrote: I may be missing some:
Chaos Codex
Deamon Codex
Black Legion
Crimson Slaughter
Khorne Deamonkin
Helbrute data slate
Cypher data slate
Belekor data slate
Wrath of Magnus
Traitors Hate
Having so many new cool stuff that you can't even track it all seems to make you so miserable .
So much cool stuff?
No, no no. If every single one of those was 'viable' and balanced then yeah, CSM would be bloated.
But it's more like in order to be viable and on par with an army chosen from a single Codex (Space Marines, Eldar, Tau, Space Wolves) we need - the core codex, one formation from Black Legion, Crimson Slaughter and KDK, one formation from the dataslates, Be'lakor, the disciplines from Traitors Hate, IA 13 for like, two units. And that's just to be 'on par' with baseline Codex armies. That's 8 books before we even consider allies.
And the real sting? The army will involve virtually NO Chaos Space Marines whatsoever. It's literally an army with some dinobots, some psykers, cultists and daemons.
andysonic1 wrote: You must not play CSM to not realize how middling all these updates to a lackluster/bad codex are.
You must not play Sister if the news of more plastic models and units rules makes you unhappy.
DarkStarSabre wrote: But it's more like in order to be viable and on par with an army chosen from a single Codex (Space Marines, Eldar, Tau, Space Wolves) we need - the core codex, one formation from Black Legion, Crimson Slaughter and KDK, one formation from the dataslates, Be'lakor, the disciplines from Traitors Hate, IA 13 for like, two units. And that's just to be 'on par' with baseline Codex armies. That's 8 books before we even consider allies.
How to beat Sisters with CSM:
- 1: Take Helldrakes.
- 2: ???
- 3: You have a model that is basically unkillable and that will literally kill every infantry it can fit behind his torrent flamer on a potentially rerollable 2+. Did I mention it Instant Death all our characters?
It only takes the basic CSM codex for this.
How to beat Sisters with CSM after Sisters get their upgrade:
- 1: Hell has frozen over.
- 2: ???
- 3: We all died of old age.
andysonic1 wrote: You must not play CSM to not realize how middling all these updates to a lackluster/bad codex are.
You must not play Sister if the news of more plastic models and units rules makes you unhappy.
DarkStarSabre wrote: But it's more like in order to be viable and on par with an army chosen from a single Codex (Space Marines, Eldar, Tau, Space Wolves) we need - the core codex, one formation from Black Legion, Crimson Slaughter and KDK, one formation from the dataslates, Be'lakor, the disciplines from Traitors Hate, IA 13 for like, two units. And that's just to be 'on par' with baseline Codex armies. That's 8 books before we even consider allies.
How to beat Sisters with CSM:
- 1: Take Helldrakes.
- 2: ???
- 3: You have a model that is basically unkillable and that will literally kill every infantry it can fit behind his torrent flamer on a potentially rerollable 2+. Did I mention it Instant Death all our characters?
It only takes the basic CSM codex for this.
How to beat Sisters with CSM after Sisters get their upgrade:
- 1: Hell has frozen over.
- 2: ???
- 3: We all died of old age.
Ah, so the army is perfectly fine because it fares relatively well against the other bottom tier faction.
Wait, let's compare ally matrixes since you are crying doom still
What's that? Battle Brothers with Armies of the Imperium? OH MY.
DarkStarSabre wrote: Ah, so the army is perfectly fine because it fares relatively well against the other bottom tier faction.
Never said the CSM were fine.
You may have missed the messages I was answering to.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/300/708759.page#9046079 Of freaking course I am going to compare CSM to Sisters when I'm answering CSM players that complains about how Sisters players have it better than CSM players. What should I compare them to?
How to beat Sisters with CSM:
- 1: Take Helldrakes.
- 2: ???
- 3: You have a model that is basically unkillable and that will literally kill every infantry it can fit behind his torrent flamer on a potentially rerollable 2+. Did I mention it Instant Death all our characters?
It only takes the basic CSM codex for this.
Yeah because ONE Heldrake can burn a WHOLE army on its own with his 45* AoF and its 8" flamer template...
DarkStarSabre wrote: Ah, so the army is perfectly fine because it fares relatively well against the other bottom tier faction.
Never said the CSM were fine.
You may have missed the messages I was answering to.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/300/708759.page#9046079 Of freaking course I am going to compare CSM to Sisters when I'm answering CSM players that complains about how Sisters players have it better than CSM players. What should I compare them to?
You're missing a key point.
Sisters do have it better than CSM players. You have a far stronger ally matrix and a newer codex (irony, I know). Now, I know the common sister complaint - but our range is dated! Half your range is 'newer' than half the CSM range. No, really.
And your range is aesthetically consistent. Plus, there are still people playing using RT era miniatures for their 7th ed. Space Marines.
I'm somewhat horrified how a general Imperial Agents release has turned into a clusterfeth of Sisters players complaining bitterly when it's still 2-3 weeks off (so rules leaks are really about a week and a half, two weeks away) and the very name of the book implies that it may not be the dedicated Codex they want but if anything a splash release leading to something more.
Slayer le boucher wrote: Yeah because ONE Heldrake can burn a WHOLE army on its own with his 45* AoF and its 8" flamer template...
I used the plural form. And no, not the whole army, just critical parts of it. As in, literally any unit you decide that you want to see dead except Exorcists and Conclave. Don't forget to pop rhinos in the same turn you destroy a unit too.
Sure. Go cry in your shiny new plastic models. Oh some new plastic Ahriman, that's so sad! And Scarab terminators, so terrible. I wish I didn't have this all new shiny plastic Abaddon coming. I can hardly contain my pain at the idea of getting new plastic rubric marines. And what's that? A demon primarch? Sisters are so lucky they don't get any new model and their old models are getting retired from sale one by one.
Except for all the new extra stuff you got in addition to the codex. Don't forget to complain you got too many! I mean, such a bane, getting more options, new units, new characters, rules improvement and all that.
andysonic1 wrote: You must not play CSM to not realize how middling all these updates to a lackluster/bad codex are.
You must not play Sister if the news of more plastic models and units rules makes you unhappy.
DarkStarSabre wrote: But it's more like in order to be viable and on par with an army chosen from a single Codex (Space Marines, Eldar, Tau, Space Wolves) we need - the core codex, one formation from Black Legion, Crimson Slaughter and KDK, one formation from the dataslates, Be'lakor, the disciplines from Traitors Hate, IA 13 for like, two units. And that's just to be 'on par' with baseline Codex armies. That's 8 books before we even consider allies.
How to beat Sisters with CSM:
- 1: Take Helldrakes.
- 2: ???
- 3: You have a model that is basically unkillable and that will literally kill every infantry it can fit behind his torrent flamer on a potentially rerollable 2+. Did I mention it Instant Death all our characters?
It only takes the basic CSM codex for this.
How to beat Sisters with CSM after Sisters get their upgrade:
- 1: Hell has frozen over.
- 2: ???
- 3: We all died of old age.
Just saying, what about the avenger strike fighter? Maybe proxied with a modified valkyrie?
Well, that's not a Sister model, and that's not GW proper rules either. So yeah, if you are okay with using non-Sisters models and your opponent is okay with you using FW rules, you can also take 90% of space marines in your force including the most broken FW stuff, indeed.
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: Well, that's not a Sister model, and that's not GW proper rules either. So yeah, if you are okay with using non-Sisters models and your opponent is okay with you using FW rules, you can also take 90% of space marines in your force including the most broken FW stuff, indeed.
Do you enjoy going online and acting persecuted? You won't be happy, you won't be satisfied, we get it, you can go now. I'd rather discuss possible upgrades to make the majority of CSM models and rules viable again then wade through pages of sisters tears for another thread.
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: Well, that's not a Sister model, and that's not GW proper rules either. So yeah, if you are okay with using non-Sisters models and your opponent is okay with you using FW rules, you can also take 90% of space marines in your force including the most broken FW stuff, indeed.
If your opponent deploys 1+ baleflamer against sisters, I seriously hope this guy is ok with a FW flyer way less broken that so much GW stuff and AFAIK explicitly allowed to SoB (correct me if I am wrong in this).
I am the biggest whiner ever about GW but if the solution is there, grab it.
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: Well, that's not a Sister model, and that's not GW proper rules either. So yeah, if you are okay with using non-Sisters models and your opponent is okay with you using FW rules, you can also take 90% of space marines in your force including the most broken FW stuff, indeed.
Last I checked it had official 40K rules and could be taken as part of a SoB army. In fact I had one to provide some air support for my sisters. That's before the utter negativity and dummy throwing of other sisters players made me bin them before I became as bitter and twisted as the rest of them.
andysonic1 wrote: I'd rather discuss possible upgrades to make the majority of CSM models and rules viable again then wade through pages of sisters tears for another thread.
So rather than proving them wrong....you decide to prove him right?
All we need is Traditio to show up here, declare both Sisters and CSM to be OP and needing nerfs to the ground while his free transport SM Battle Company is perfectly fair and we'll have successfully accomplished Dakka Bingo!
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: DarkStarSabre, why don't you follow andysonic1, and go complain about having tons of cool new models and rad new rules somewhere else?
Nah. Because, you see, this thread also exists. You want to bitch about the Sisters range? Go open something up on general.
Not that I'll see, because the option to block someone who literally only came here to play the victim and bleat is just great.
unmercifulconker wrote: So thanks to Hellath over at B&C for posting this, seems Spanish GW got a tease of Jan's WD:
So people are saying its Abs which most likely means he's getting a shiny new plastic look, now as a matter of interest, where was that list of release rumours that someone brought back up from Natfka? Cant find it again but just wanted to check since they got some of the Tzeentch stuff right, was there a mention of a new Abbadon?
Also.....Ma sisters....
You mean this release list?
http://natfka.blogspot.fi/2016/07/40k-8th-edition-campaigns-exciting-look.html I thought it was debunked as fake even if it was released 4 months before we saw the first kits on the list released and now more and more kits from the list are being released. Doesn't have Sisters on it though :(
unmercifulconker wrote: So thanks to Hellath over at B&C for posting this, seems Spanish GW got a tease of Jan's WD:
So people are saying its Abs which most likely means he's getting a shiny new plastic look, now as a matter of interest, where was that list of release rumours that someone brought back up from Natfka? Cant find it again but just wanted to check since they got some of the Tzeentch stuff right, was there a mention of a new Abbadon?
Also.....Ma sisters....
You mean this release list?
http://natfka.blogspot.fi/2016/07/40k-8th-edition-campaigns-exciting-look.html I thought it was debunked as fake even if it was released 4 months before we saw the first kits on the list released and now more and more kits from the list are being released. Doesn't have Sisters on it though :(
The only things on that list that seemed vaguely accurate were the mentions of Magnus, Kharn and the TS Terminators. But even then the rumours went off on a tangent (heavy bolters on all the Terminators - uh....no).
It looks like a wishlist that took things that were mentioned elsewhere (iirc Kharn and Magnus were hinted at for a long time) and threw then together.
A lot of people seem to believe that Magnus = Confirmation of 40k end times when GW have done the large kit rodeo before in 40k (Trygons, Imperial Knights, Wraithknights, Riptides).
unmercifulconker wrote: So thanks to Hellath over at B&C for posting this, seems Spanish GW got a tease of Jan's WD:
So people are saying its Abs which most likely means he's getting a shiny new plastic look, now as a matter of interest, where was that list of release rumours that someone brought back up from Natfka? Cant find it again but just wanted to check since they got some of the Tzeentch stuff right, was there a mention of a new Abbadon?
Also.....Ma sisters....
You mean this release list?
http://natfka.blogspot.fi/2016/07/40k-8th-edition-campaigns-exciting-look.html I thought it was debunked as fake even if it was released 4 months before we saw the first kits on the list released and now more and more kits from the list are being released. Doesn't have Sisters on it though :(
The only things on that list that seemed vaguely accurate were the mentions of Magnus, Kharn and the TS Terminators. But even then the rumours went off on a tangent (heavy bolters on all the Terminators - uh....no).
It looks like a wishlist that took things that were mentioned elsewhere (iirc Kharn and Magnus were hinted at for a long time) and threw then together.
A lot of people seem to believe that Magnus = Confirmation of 40k end times when GW have done the large kit rodeo before in 40k (Trygons, Imperial Knights, Wraithknights, Riptides).
Did people want Magnus over, say, Angron? I'm not that steeped in Magnus' lore so I'm not sure if he's got some compelling backstory beyond everyone wanting to see Fenris burn for what they did to Prosbero.
Did people want Magnus over, say, Angron? I'm not that steeped in Magnus' lore so I'm not sure if he's got some compelling backstory beyond everyone wanting to see Fenris burn for what they did to Prosbero.
Not sure how they could have worked Angron in. The Supplement series was just ripe for Magnus to be brought in - and they also used it as their way to update Daemons and SW beforehand.
Now if they did some sort of 'Return to Armageddon' with Grey Knights and World Eaters....well...that is the window for both Angron and Mortarion as both have a history with GKs.
Plus Magnus is technically one of the easiest traitor Primarchs to bring in - he's not dead (Curze, Horus, Alpharius?), he's not been 'banished' (Angron, Mortarion), he's not a relative unknown in terms of his current status (Perturabo, Lorgar). The only other traitor Primarch who is as free at the moment is Fulgrim.
Thematically Magnus made more sense with the campaign.
DarkStarSabre wrote: Ah, so the army is perfectly fine because it fares relatively well against the other bottom tier faction.
Never said the CSM were fine.
You may have missed the messages I was answering to.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/300/708759.page#9046079 Of freaking course I am going to compare CSM to Sisters when I'm answering CSM players that complains about how Sisters players have it better than CSM players. What should I compare them to?
You're missing a key point.
Sisters do have it better than CSM players. You have a far stronger ally matrix and a newer codex (irony, I know). Now, I know the common sister complaint - but our range is dated! Half your range is 'newer' than half the CSM range. No, really.
And your range is aesthetically consistent. Plus, there are still people playing using RT era miniatures for their 7th ed. Space Marines.
I'm somewhat horrified how a general Imperial Agents release has turned into a clusterfeth of Sisters players complaining bitterly when it's still 2-3 weeks off (so rules leaks are really about a week and a half, two weeks away) and the very name of the book implies that it may not be the dedicated Codex they want but if anything a splash release leading to something more.
So that first paragraph is pretty silly. Chaos demons are the second strongest faction in the game based on GT wins and Top 10 ITC presence behind Eldar. They are in the ally matrix for Chaos Space Marines. Saying 'but allies!' is ultimately a circuitous thing because both armies aren't great and both armies have really good ally options that you could basically replace your whole force org with. Dark Eldar are also in this boat.
Edit: To try and not be totally off topic, the imperial Agents book is pretty weird righr? Like is it just a hodgepodge of of factions all thrown together or is it gonna have something like TL is getting with like Chapter tactics for taking xy combination of units. I mean it'll have decurions in it but what else?
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: Now you know why I have issues with taking Sisters players seriously.
I'm sorry is this coming from people that whine about having too much new stuff to play with?
Vash108 wrote: I may be missing some:
Chaos Codex
Deamon Codex
Black Legion
Crimson Slaughter
Khorne Deamonkin
Helbrute data slate
Cypher data slate
Belekor data slate
Wrath of Magnus
Traitors Hate
Having so many new cool stuff that you can't even track it all seems to make you so miserable .
So much cool stuff?
No, no no. If every single one of those was 'viable' and balanced then yeah, CSM would be bloated.
But it's more like in order to be viable and on par with an army chosen from a single Codex (Space Marines, Eldar, Tau, Space Wolves) we need - the core codex, one formation from Black Legion, Crimson Slaughter and KDK, one formation from the dataslates, Be'lakor, the disciplines from Traitors Hate, IA 13 for like, two units. And that's just to be 'on par' with baseline Codex armies. That's 8 books before we even consider allies.
And the real sting? The army will involve virtually NO Chaos Space Marines whatsoever. It's literally an army with some dinobots, some psykers, cultists and daemons.
The difference between Sisters and Chaos = Chaos has models in plastic and many different usable books. If you think your codex is bad you have no idea how bad the Sisters codex is. I see allot of people whine about Sisters players wanting new models and a proper codex, these people have no idea just how bad it is to be a Sisters player. A guy on the GW facebook pages asked "Why" Sisters should get an update because he hadn't seen one player since 5E. Here is my reply to him, do note I only cover the Infantry, there are ALLOT of other problems with the book. Feel free to compare the Sisters units to what CSM gets and you will thank the gods your army isn't as poorly balanced as the Sisters is.
Spoiler:
David Scott You just answered your own question. Last I checked it costs $105 to buy 1HQ and 2 units of 10Battle Sisters. It gets allot worse from there. For $1000 you get the same sized army others pay $300-400 for. Not to mention the rules are some of the worst in the game.
Since you ask "Why?" I guess you have no idea how the Sisters work. Their unique feature is called Acts of Faith, fluff wise they are small miracles that can happen on the battlefield because their belief in the Emperor is so great. You could say the Emperor is the Chaos God of Hope and he answers their prayers. In the 3e Witch Hunter codex the Acts of Faith were the best, you could get +2S, +2I, Rending, Fearless or Inv save equal to your armour save, any unit could get any of them and multiple times depending on your number of Faith Points (basically 1 per Sororitas unit +1 for each destroyed Sororitas unit). Compared to what armies get these days these are rather pathetic but it helped in allot of situations.
Then the WD happened and the AoF (Acts of Faith) became complete garbage, then the Digital Happened and some problems were fixed but they remain complete garbage for almost all units in the army. They changed it to be a once per game ability that lasts for one phase and they made each unit have different ones.
Canoness: Hatred for one phase per game.. Exactly what you want with your WS3, S3, I3 army.
Sororitas Command Squad: Move Through Cover... The most elite of the elite get Move Through Cover? Imagine if the only special ability a SM Command Squad got was Move Through Cover one movement phase once per game. No Chapter Tactics, no ATSKNF... just MTC one phase per game.
Battle Sisters: Preferred Enemy for one phase
Celestians: Furious Charge for one phase, because close combat is exactly where you want to be with this army...
Dominions: Ignores Cover for one phase... Sisters only have access to 3 types of weapons, the so called Holy Trinity that is the Bolter, Melta and Flamer. So here we have an AoF that doesn't do anything for Flamers, and pretty much useless for Storm Bolters (because you'd never take them) and really good for Meltas. Storm Bolters become Assault 10 and Flamers get Torrent would have been interesting but melta is the only thing Sisters do good.
Seraphim (Jump Infantry): Shred for one phase.. Yay, Shred with bolter pistols... Inferno Pistols and Hand Flamers is decent though. Seraphim used to be the only unit in the game that could shoot with both hand held weapons, now everyone can.
Sisters Repentia: Feel No Pain 3+ (Assault phase only), so your unit gets FnP 3+ one phase once per game. Since they only have a close combat chainfist and nothing else they might get to swing, if they make it to close combat at all...
Retributors: Rending.. This is the best AoF in the army and should be good. Heavy Bolters, Heavy Flamers and Multi-Meltas with Rending could be scary I guess. Too bad you never take them because a Exorcist (Kinda like a SM Whirlwind) is a smarter choice.
Now lets take a closer look at what makes this army unique, the Acts of Faith. They are listed above but what do they actually do for the army compared to other armies?
Pretty much nothing. Everything the Sisters get other armies get for free or better versions of. SM is a prime example of this.
Sisters get Acts of Faith, SM get Chapter Tactics.
Ultramarines get to use each Doctrine one each per game and when enacted every single Ultramarine is affected.
Tactical Doctrine: Re-roll 1s to hit in Shooting and Assault. Tactical Squads re-roll all failed to hit in shooting and assault.
Assault Doctrine: re-roll To Hit rolls of 1 in assault this turn, assault units instead re-roll all failed To Hit.
Devastator Doctrine: Re-roll To Hit on 1s in shooting phase. Devastator units re-roll all failed To Hit.
Notice how similar these are to the Battle Sisters Preferred enemy, difference is Sisters need to do a Faith Test (Ld test) to see if their work and if it does it's for one phase. SMs just works and last for the rest of the turn.
All sisters have a 6++ inv save, Iron Hands chapter gets FnP 6+ which gets better with if they received another source of FnP. This is pretty much the same as the Sisters 6++.
Then we have Imperial Fist Bolter Drill, Salamander Flamecraft, Black Templars Holy Crusaders. All of which contain rules the Sisters have but work better.
Then comes the points costs of units...
HQ Canoness: 65pts WS/BS5, I4, A3 rest 3 vs SM Captain 90pts WS6, BS5 I5, A3, rest 4. Iron Halo, ANSKNF, Chapter Tactics
Elite Celestian: 14pts WS/BS4 2A Ld9 Stubborn vs Tactical Marine 14pts 4on Everything plus special rules
Elite Repentia: 14pts S6 Ap2 Eviscerator, WS4, A2, Rage, Fleet, Fearless vs Assault Squad 14pts 4on all stats, 2A (2CCW), ranged weapon, 3+ armour save, can take 1 Eviscerator per 5 models. ATSKNF, Chapter Tactics, Combat Squads.
Troop Battle Sister: 12pts BS4, 3on rest vs SM Scout 11pts 4on everything. ATSKNF, Chapter Tactics, Combat Squads, Infiltrate, MTC, Scout. So you're telling me that a 3+ Armour save is equal to:-1pts cost per model +1WS, +1BS, +1S, +1T, +1I, all those special rules but a 4+ Armour Save
FA Seraphim: 15pts WS/BS4 rest 3 vs Assault Squad 14pts 4on everything +3pts for jump pack so 17pts for comparison
FA Dominion: 13pts BS4, 3on rest, Scout vs SM Scout 11pts 4on everything. ATSKNF, Chapter Tactics, Combat Squads, Infiltrate, MTC, Scout. So you're telling me that a 3+ Armour save is equal to:-2pts cost per model +1WS, +1BS, +1S, +1T, +1I, all those special rules but a 4+ Armour Save
Heavy Support Retributor: 12pts BS4 rest 3 vs Devastator 14pts 4on everything and special rules.
Eviscerator for Sisters: 30pts, gives S6 Ap2 Armourbane
Eviscerator for SM: 25pts, gives S8 Ap2 Armourbane
Sisters Repentia get Eviscerator for free because the model only costs 14pts but are useless because Sisters have no assault vehicles and Repentia have no save.
Then we have the biggest slap in the face of Sisters players, the Minustorum Priest...
This little gak costs 25pts, Guardsman stats and gear but also a Rosarius (4++), War Hymns and Zealot.
What's so special about this little piece of gak you ask?
War Hymns is the answer, far better than the Acts of Faith and he gets 3 different ones.
War Hymns, perform Ld test and chose one in each Fight Sub-phase when locked in combat.
The Emperor Protects: UNIT re-roll all failed armour and inv saves until end of phase.
The Emperor's Strength: Priest gains Smash until end of phase
The Righteousness of the Emperor: UNIT re-rolls failled To Wound until end of phase.
Not only are the War Hymns better than the Acts of Faith, you can use them as many times as you want. There is a reason some armies contain 2 of these with their death stars (they use the IG codex to get them and not the Sisters Codex). For 50pts you can give your deathstar Re-roll Failed To Wound, Re-roll Failed Armour and Invulnerable Saves.
Do I need to go on or are you smart enough to see a pattern yet? Sisters cost the same or 1-2pts lower than SM units but the stat difference is horrendous and the special rules for SM ARE ALLOT BETTER. Anything sisters get from their Acts of Faith the SM get better versions of and army wide in allot of cases. There is only one thing Sisters do better than SM and that is spam melta guns, but melta guns became irrelevant with 6E of the game.
So why would you pay $1-2000 for an army that you can get for 1/3 the cost with SM, that is worse on pretty much every aspect, has less options and nothing that makes them special except for the look of the models?
I have written a 20 page compendium of all problems with the Sisters that I sent to the dev team when the WD came out, I saw some of the changes I recommended with the Digital release but they did not fix the general problem with the codex... the Acts of Faith. If a Sister is to cost the same as a SM but get -1 WS/BS/S/T/I and not have special rules equivalent in power to ATSKNF, Chapter Tactics and whatever else then the Acts of Faith need to be darn powerful if they are to work for one phase once per game.
Here is my recommendation for Acts of Faith:
Once per game ability per unit, Faith Points per unit is equal to Turn Number. So turn 1 you have 1 FP, Turn 5 you have 5.
So the tactical question is do you use your once a game ability early when units are at full strength or later in the game when you have more FP to spend?
Acts of Faith should go back to 3E Witch Hunters with more options.
+2S per FP spent
+2I per FP spent (I1 weapons strike at +1I per FP spent, so spend 3FP and you strike at I4 with Chainfists (Eviscerators)
+1 To Hit per FP -2 To Enemy Cover save per FP +2 Inv save per FP +2AP on weapons per FP (if at Ap1 get +1 on dmg table, Ap 5 weapons become Ap3 for 1FP).
+2-3" Range per FP (Flamers get 2" Torrent per FP, so spend 4FP and your flamers can be placed 8-12" from the model
1 of the following per FP : MTC, Fleet, Rage, Furious Charge, Rending, Shred, Preferred Enemy, Fearless
Fire Weapons again for 3 FP
There are hundreds of ways to make the sisters better without lowering their points costs but if you make them cost the same as SM but MUCH worse across the line then their Acts of Faith need to be damn good to compensate.
As it is you could lower the points cost of every single Sisters model by -4 pts and it still wouldn't make much of a difference, you could even change their statline to be 4 across the board without much impact. You'd just get more bad units that under perform on every front compared to SM. Sisters ARE NOT SM! Why are they costed the same(ish) when they simply aren't the same.
Sifting through all the side conversations I may have missed it, but is there anything new for Thousand Sons in the legion book? Will it be a direct port so if you have no interest in demons maybe you're better off going with the legion book over magnus?
I don't play IG but they really need Marbo back lol, he was just that awesome. Even on the tabletop.
The things that guy did on occasion... pure win lol
Roknar wrote: Of course these days anything is possible really. Except a new csm codex apparently.
If this cover does herald a new Abbadon model, then I'm even more convinced that GW are using campaign books and supplement releases to update the CSM range as much as possible before a new codex.
I think it's pretty much confirmed if we do indeed get a deathguard campaign book like TSons got. At the very least it's guaranteed that we won't be getting a new codex until the new edition hits, whenever that is.
This model of staggered releases is fine with me, it just sucks that we're stuck with old tech for a long time. I'm sure they would give us kai guns back if with the release of a new codex, but I don't see that happening for any individual legion/warband.
Although maybe...maybe they could release a dark mirror to agents of the imperium with dark mech and stuff. Let's keep the dream alive
Since Warhammer Community thankfully posted this today with a good glimpse of what's in the book I can at least say this much. Afaik no new models with this release and Imperial Agents at the moment, though in 2017...woah nelly I'm a Death Guard player in 30K and probably will be in 40K eventually (though sticking with Building a TS army off the Wrath of Magnus release and then once I win the lottery, naturally, a 30K TS legion since Inferno will be out in February.) ...but, back to DG. Can't say anything specific until the review but I'm quite pleased with the DG rules, warlord traits, expanded Nurgle lore, artefacts, 6 specific objective cards and bonuses. But disclaimer: I'm only now with TS release becoming a CSM player for the first time so my expectations and satisfaction with content may be vastly different from anyone's, and I don't care for competitive 40K (especially the past 2 years), but I feel the fluff/theme of the legions is reflected well in the new rules. I'm also an Ork player and while I would love new or even better rules (especially for the Gork/Morkanauts) I fully understand Chaos players are long overdue for some attention and they're rightfully moved to the front of the queue.
To all my fellow sons of Mortarion, Count the Seven!
@Razor'sE... ha, brilliant! Marbo is da man. If The Duncan was a miniature, it would be Marbo
Nvs wrote: Sifting through all the side conversations I may have missed it, but is there anything new for Thousand Sons in the legion book? Will it be a direct port so if you have no interest in demons maybe you're better off going with the legion book over magnus?
Well Traitor Legions apparently is going to have Chapter Tactics equivalents...so no word on whether WoM is bonus material for them or whether it's going to be duplicated.
And before people say it's odd for things to be duplicated - I fully expect the Traitor's Hate disciplines to be in WoM - and if they crop up in Traitor Legions as well that will literally be the 3rd book in the span of 6 months where we've seen them (technically the 4th since they're just EVIL RENAMES of the SM disciplines.)
Since Warhammer Community thankfully posted this today with a good glimpse of what's in the book I can at least say this much. Afaik no new models with this release and Imperial Agents at the moment, though in 2017...woah nelly I'm a Death Guard player in 30K and probably will be in 40K eventually (though sticking with Building a TS army off the Wrath of Magnus release and then once I win the lottery, naturally, a 30K TS legion since Inferno will be out in February.) ...but, back to DG. Can't say anything specific until the review but I'm quite pleased with the DG rules, warlord traits, expanded Nurgle lore, artefacts, 6 specific objective cards and bonuses. But disclaimer: I'm only now with TS release becoming a CSM player for the first time so my expectations and satisfaction with content may be vastly different from anyone's, and I don't care for competitive 40K (especially the past 2 years), but I feel the fluff/theme of the legions is reflected well in the new rules. I'm also an Ork player and while I would love new or even better rules (especially for the Gork/Morkanauts) I fully understand Chaos players are long overdue for some attention and they're rightfully moved to the front of the queue.
To all my fellow sons of Mortarion, Count the Seven!
So cheeky question time.
How feasible is it for me to make the DG decurion with the following...
Typhus
1 Sorcerer
1 Chaos Lord
2 Terminator Squads
4 Plague Marine Squads
1 Obliterator unit (2)
2 Rhinos
1 Land Raider
....?
Or am I going to have to dip into my 30k Death Guard to fill in some gaps? (Not that I'd mind, if the Chapter Tactic equivalent is tasty enough some Nurgle-marked generic CSM could be the order of the day).
Hybrid is a Sisters player. Point me to one of them who doesn't do this?
Hybrid just happens to be the most persecuted out of all of them, if Hybrid's posts are to be believed.
To be fair, CSM and Sisters were two sides of the same coin for about 2 years. Then both factions got release teasers in the same video. Now CSM are getting a bunch of new models and rules and it's looking like SoB are getting rolled into someone else's codex with no new anything. It is a feelzbadman time for SoB.
So do folks here actually think that Sisters of Battle appearing in Imperial Agents is the end of their journey???
With Genestealer Cults and Deathwatch and Adeptus Mechanicus releases in the past year? That this isn't merely a precursor to an eventual SoB (or Adepta Sororitas) Codex? An opportunity to gauge interest and generate some excitement?
dienekes96 wrote: So do folks here actually think that Sisters of Battle appearing in Imperial Agents is the end of their journey???
With Genestealer Cults and Deathwatch and Adeptus Mechanicus releases in the past year? That this isn't merely a precursor to an eventual SoB (or Adepta Sororitas) Codex? An opportunity to gauge interest and generate some excitement?
Okay, I guess. I expect the opposite, then.
Personally, I see Imperial Agents as the 'Inquisition' codex. And of course, since Hereticus are known for their associations with Sisters and Malleus with GKs I suspect we're seeing 'parts' of those armies present with more expanded lists later on.
I am really looking forward to Codex Imperial Agents. No more having to buy 3+ codex's for armies with only four or five units.
I'd assume that Codex Imperial Agents would include various formations for each of it's included factions, then one or two big ones if you want to combine everything.
One thing I would like to see is Inquisitorial Stormtroopers getting their own unit entry, I'm thinking cheaper Scions without deepstrike.
dienekes96 wrote: So do folks here actually think that Sisters of Battle appearing in Imperial Agents is the end of their journey???
With Genestealer Cults and Deathwatch and Adeptus Mechanicus releases in the past year? That this isn't merely a precursor to an eventual SoB (or Adepta Sororitas) Codex? An opportunity to gauge interest and generate some excitement?
Okay, I guess. I expect the opposite, then.
My guess is that they'll use imperial agents to update SoB just enough that they don't get chapterhouse'd again. Cut the line down to a single character and troop squad within imperial agents, have Imperial agents invalidate the 6th ed book, bam no models without rules no rules without models, the IP is safe.
dienekes96 wrote: So do folks here actually think that Sisters of Battle appearing in Imperial Agents is the end of their journey???
With Genestealer Cults and Deathwatch and Adeptus Mechanicus releases in the past year? That this isn't merely a precursor to an eventual SoB (or Adepta Sororitas) Codex? An opportunity to gauge interest and generate some excitement?
Okay, I guess. I expect the opposite, then.
My guess is that they'll use imperial agents to update SoB just enough that they don't get chapterhouse'd again. Cut the line down to a single character and troop squad within imperial agents, have Imperial agents invalidate the 6th ed book, bam no models without rules no rules without models, the IP is safe.
That would be a shame if that was true I would love to see new models and people playing Sisters more .
dienekes96 wrote: So do folks here actually think that Sisters of Battle appearing in Imperial Agents is the end of their journey???
With Genestealer Cults and Deathwatch and Adeptus Mechanicus releases in the past year? That this isn't merely a precursor to an eventual SoB (or Adepta Sororitas) Codex? An opportunity to gauge interest and generate some excitement?
Okay, I guess. I expect the opposite, then.
I'm going to go ahead and bet that there won't be a Sisters of Battle codex. There likely won't be any more codices. We'll probably get an app like Age of Sigmar has with all the unit rules, with more complex rules/detachments in supplement books.
dienekes96 wrote: So do folks here actually think that Sisters of Battle appearing in Imperial Agents is the end of their journey???
With Genestealer Cults and Deathwatch and Adeptus Mechanicus releases in the past year? That this isn't merely a precursor to an eventual SoB (or Adepta Sororitas) Codex? An opportunity to gauge interest and generate some excitement?
Okay, I guess. I expect the opposite, then.
I'm going to go ahead and bet that there won't be a Sisters of Battle codex. There likely won't be any more codices. We'll probably get an app like Age of Sigmar has with all the unit rules, with more complex rules/detachments in supplement books.
I'm not a source, I'm just seeing the directions.
Sigmar still has codices. They're called Battletomes, and they're still coming out with them even post ghb.
dienekes96 wrote: So do folks here actually think that Sisters of Battle appearing in Imperial Agents is the end of their journey???
With Genestealer Cults and Deathwatch and Adeptus Mechanicus releases in the past year? That this isn't merely a precursor to an eventual SoB (or Adepta Sororitas) Codex? An opportunity to gauge interest and generate some excitement?
Okay, I guess. I expect the opposite, then.
I'm going to go ahead and bet that there won't be a Sisters of Battle codex. There likely won't be any more codices. We'll probably get an app like Age of Sigmar has with all the unit rules, with more complex rules/detachments in supplement books.
I'm not a source, I'm just seeing the directions.
Sigmar still has codices. They're called Battletomes, and they're still coming out with them even post ghb.
The warscrolls (aka dataslates) in the books do not override the ones for free and the only things in the Battletomes that is not for free on the App or website are the Battalions (aka Formations).
It will likely be the same with 40k. CSM unit rules free online, get Traitor Legions to make those units a Thousand Sons or Death Guard army with special rules associated. But you can play without it. Much like Sylvaneth can play fine without the Battletome but you get Battalions/artifacts/etc with the book.
dienekes96 wrote: So do folks here actually think that Sisters of Battle appearing in Imperial Agents is the end of their journey???
With Genestealer Cults and Deathwatch and Adeptus Mechanicus releases in the past year? That this isn't merely a precursor to an eventual SoB (or Adepta Sororitas) Codex? An opportunity to gauge interest and generate some excitement?
Okay, I guess. I expect the opposite, then.
I'm going to go ahead and bet that there won't be a Sisters of Battle codex. There likely won't be any more codices. We'll probably get an app like Age of Sigmar has with all the unit rules, with more complex rules/detachments in supplement books.
I'm not a source, I'm just seeing the directions.
Sigmar still has codices. They're called Battletomes, and they're still coming out with them even post ghb.
The warscrolls (aka dataslates) in the books do not override the ones for free and the only things in the Battletomes that is not for free on the App or website are the Battalions (aka Formations).
It will likely be the same with 40k. CSM unit rules free online, get Traitor Legions to make those units a Thousand Sons or Death Guard army with special rules associated. But you can play without it. Much like Sylvaneth can play fine without the Battletome but you get Battalions/artifacts/etc with the book.
Battletome Flesheater courts completely overwrote Grand Allaince Death units that were shared between the two and the App was updated to reflect that. The only 2 models that have battlescrolls for both are zombie dragon/terrorgeist and the Beast from the Grave versions of those are not matched play legal because they don't have points, as confirmed by adepticons AoSTO.
Sigmar still has codices, the app just updates to match them as they come out.
dienekes96 wrote: So do folks here actually think that Sisters of Battle appearing in Imperial Agents is the end of their journey???
With Genestealer Cults and Deathwatch and Adeptus Mechanicus releases in the past year? That this isn't merely a precursor to an eventual SoB (or Adepta Sororitas) Codex? An opportunity to gauge interest and generate some excitement?
Okay, I guess. I expect the opposite, then.
I'm going to go ahead and bet that there won't be a Sisters of Battle codex. There likely won't be any more codices. We'll probably get an app like Age of Sigmar has with all the unit rules, with more complex rules/detachments in supplement books.
I'm not a source, I'm just seeing the directions.
Sigmar still has codices. They're called Battletomes, and they're still coming out with them even post ghb.
The warscrolls (aka dataslates) in the books do not override the ones for free and the only things in the Battletomes that is not for free on the App or website are the Battalions (aka Formations).
It will likely be the same with 40k. CSM unit rules free online, get Traitor Legions to make those units a Thousand Sons or Death Guard army with special rules associated. But you can play without it. Much like Sylvaneth can play fine without the Battletome but you get Battalions/artifacts/etc with the book.
Battletome Flesheater courts completely overwrote Grand Allaince Death units that were shared between the two and the App was updated to reflect that. The only 2 models that have battlescrolls for both are zombie dragon/terrorgeist and the Beast from the Grave versions of those are not matched play legal because they don't have points, as confirmed by adepticons AoSTO.
Sigmar still has codices, the app just updates to match them as they come out.
Yeah exactly that's what I'm saying. I'm seeing the future of 40k being like AoS - when they want to update the rules, they might put out a book/supplement - but likely they will release the rules into a living dex.
If you pay attention, that's already what they've been doing for 40k. They didn't re-release Space Wolves and Daemons, they put out Curse of the Wulfen. They're not putting out a new CSM codex, they're just having Thousand Sons and Traitor Legions.
We may see future codices to condense rules into one place, but I'm just saying we've moved away from "armies only get updated when a Codex comes out", rather they get updated incrementally and get new toys as things go on.
Are we really at eachother's throats oven little plastic/metal/resin soldiers? Seriously, take a deep breath, relax, and try to put things into perspective shall we?
nudibranch wrote: Are we really at eachother's throats oven little plastic/metal/resin soldiers? Seriously, take a deep breath, relax, and try to put things into perspective shall we?
When one plays a bad game, one should be prepared for a bad community.
H.B.M.C. wrote: You mean the default attitude SoB players have towards everything?
No, that's Chaos players.
I think it's a lot of players who feel entitled that their army should get all the new toys. If Sisters are not in jan/feb then I think the Plastic Sisters of Battle remark was obviously a troll joke.
GW should just admit it. And save people from hope.
nudibranch wrote: Are we really at eachother's throats oven little plastic/metal/resin soldiers? Seriously, take a deep breath, relax, and try to put things into perspective shall we?
Maybe it would be safest to lock until any actual information on what is and is not in it is available and I suggest Separatethreads on each are then opened?
Both Chaos and Sisters played have long been neglected.
It appears some work has been done for Chaos, following on from other recent releases - or at least some elements of them.
I would hope that at least something - if only something like formations is there for Sisters players.
Specualtion time however based on previous GW modus operandi.
GW have just released Thousand Sons who will absolutely dominate in the psychic phase.
Looking at some of the formations in Warzone Fenris they are going to be quite tough for some armies to beat.
GW normally releases new toys that change the meta and dominate for a couple of months and then release something to counter them.
In the case of Thousand Sons the counter is going to be anti-psyker.
Agents of the Imperium fits the bill and will give Imperial players a way to effectively counter them.
So initially this would have been Grey Knights, Culexus Assassins or Inquisition however GW did just release plastic Sisters of Silence so I reckon they will be in and be available to buy seperately.
As much as I want Sisters of Battle in plastic and Jes Goodwin did say back in 2009 they were being worked on I have a feeling they might take a bit of a back seat to Sisters of Silence but both will be playable.
The only reason I am not 100% confident plastic Sisters will be available with this release is because of the photo taken at Warhammer World of boxes of metal Sisters blisters being labelled up in the Warhammer World store a couple of months ago.
I have a feeling Sisters will remain in metal and be direct only for a while longer but will be available to buy in the Warhammer World store as part of this release.
As I say though that's speculation on my part - but I do think the Imperial Agents supplement will predominantly be anti-psyker.
I still believe that there could be a Sisters HQ/Sisters basic Squad release for this book. It would just be so weird to include Sisters and just put pics of the now-ancient metal minis in there.
Nvs wrote: Sifting through all the side conversations I may have missed it, but is there anything new for Thousand Sons in the legion book? Will it be a direct port so if you have no interest in demons maybe you're better off going with the legion book over magnus?
I really hope so. I don't want to buy the Campaign Book II: Wrath of KHAN Magnus.
Nvs wrote: Sifting through all the side conversations I may have missed it, but is there anything new for Thousand Sons in the legion book? Will it be a direct port so if you have no interest in demons maybe you're better off going with the legion book over magnus?
I really hope so. I don't want to buy the Campaign Book II: Wrath of KHAN Magnus.
I just want the Chaos gak.
Now that we've had it noted by the Warhammer Community page that there are Relics, Warlord tables, and Detachments made up of Formations I think it's safe to say that it includes the new Thousand Sons stuff from Wrath of Magnus.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I still believe that there could be a Sisters HQ/Sisters basic Squad release for this book. It would just be so weird to include Sisters and just put pics of the now-ancient metal minis in there.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I still believe that there could be a Sisters HQ/Sisters basic Squad release for this book. It would just be so weird to include Sisters and just put pics of the now-ancient metal minis in there.
I am hoping so. I wouldn't mind adding some Sisters and Canoness to my models.
This book should allow me to warrant picking up singular squads from the different Imperial armies. Some Sisters and some Grey Knights would be fun. Perhaps a formation for Assassins other than their existing one.
dan2026 wrote: We live in a world where Genestealer Cults are once again a full army. Why are people so sure Sisters won't come back as well?
Because we've had rumors of plastic Sisters of Battle for over a decade, and absolutely nothing to show for it. Not even new resin models, never mind plastics.
Thus my comment about Chaos players-- chaos players get updates, new miniatures, new codices that have actual expansions of the army, and simply don't like the updates they get. And I'm not saying they don't have valid reasons to dislike whar they've gotten; in actuality, I don't care either way, that's beside the point, which is that they HAVE gotten stuff.
Sisters players, by contrast, simply don't get updates at all, merely rehashes of the same units for the past thirteen years with the last new miniatures released in third edition and the majority of miniatures from second edition, topped off by stagnating rules that have included the same things with only minor variations for pretty much that long.
Some sisters players are hyped. But not all. And frankly, those that aren't hyped have a right to be VERY skeptical until GW actually produces a reason for there to be hype. And evidence right now is in very short supply-- just the same vague nonsense that has failed to deliver for longer than some of the players on this forum have been alive.
Nvs wrote: Sifting through all the side conversations I may have missed it, but is there anything new for Thousand Sons in the legion book? Will it be a direct port so if you have no interest in demons maybe you're better off going with the legion book over magnus?
I really hope so. I don't want to buy the Campaign Book II: Wrath of KHAN Magnus.
I just want the Chaos gak.
Now that we've had it noted by the Warhammer Community page that there are Relics, Warlord tables, and Detachments made up of Formations I think it's safe to say that it includes the new Thousand Sons stuff from Wrath of Magnus.
Is it though? Veterannoob (apologies if I misspelled that) wasn't aware of any new units in traitor legions. I could be misinterpreting that, but the community article also doesn't mention them.
So if traitor legions doesn't include the rules for the the new units, how could they put up formations that require those units? As far as I know that's something only forgeworld does.
Nvs wrote: Sifting through all the side conversations I may have missed it, but is there anything new for Thousand Sons in the legion book? Will it be a direct port so if you have no interest in demons maybe you're better off going with the legion book over magnus?
I really hope so. I don't want to buy the Campaign Book II: Wrath of KHAN Magnus.
I just want the Chaos gak.
Now that we've had it noted by the Warhammer Community page that there are Relics, Warlord tables, and Detachments made up of Formations I think it's safe to say that it includes the new Thousand Sons stuff from Wrath of Magnus.
Is it though? Veterannoob (apologies if I misspelled that) wasn't aware of any new units in traitor legions. I could be misinterpreting that, but the community article also doesn't mention them.
So if traitor legions doesn't include the rules for the the new units, how could they put up formations that require those units? As far as I know that's something only forgeworld does.
This is his comment:
VeteranNoob wrote:Since Warhammer Community thankfully posted this today with a good glimpse of what's in the book I can at least say this much. Afaik no new models with this release and Imperial Agents at the moment, though in 2017...woah nelly I'm a Death Guard player in 30K and probably will be in 40K eventually (though sticking with Building a TS army off the Wrath of Magnus release and then once I win the lottery, naturally, a 30K TS legion since Inferno will be out in February.) ...but, back to DG. Can't say anything specific until the review but I'm quite pleased with the DG rules, warlord traits, expanded Nurgle lore, artefacts, 6 specific objective cards and bonuses. But disclaimer: I'm only now with TS release becoming a CSM player for the first time so my expectations and satisfaction with content may be vastly different from anyone's, and I don't care for competitive 40K (especially the past 2 years), but I feel the fluff/theme of the legions is reflected well in the new rules. I'm also an Ork player and while I would love new or even better rules (especially for the Gork/Morkanauts) I fully understand Chaos players are long overdue for some attention and they're rightfully moved to the front of the queue.
To all my fellow sons of Mortarion, Count the Seven!
No new models with Traitor Legions and Imperial Agents in 2016.
GW have just released Thousand Sons who will absolutely dominate in the psychic phase.
Looking at some of the formations in Warzone Fenris they are going to be quite tough for some armies to beat.
GW normally releases new toys that change the meta and dominate for a couple of months and then release something to counter them.
In the case of Thousand Sons the counter is going to be anti-psyker.
Agents of the Imperium fits the bill and will give Imperial players a way to effectively counter them.
So initially this would have been Grey Knights, Culexus Assassins or Inquisition however GW did just release plastic Sisters of Silence so I reckon they will be in and be available to buy seperately.
As much as I want Sisters of Battle in plastic and Jes Goodwin did say back in 2009 they were being worked on I have a feeling they might take a bit of a back seat to Sisters of Silence but both will be playable.
The only reason I am not 100% confident plastic Sisters will be available with this release is because of the photo taken at Warhammer World of boxes of metal Sisters blisters being labelled up in the Warhammer World store a couple of months ago.
I have a feeling Sisters will remain in metal and be direct only for a while longer but will be available to buy in the Warhammer World store as part of this release.
As I say though that's speculation on my part - but I do think the Imperial Agents supplement will predominantly be anti-psyker.
I don't think games workshop looks at or cares what the meta of 40k is. They're not Riot games or anything. Even with them being cooler than they used to be I doubt 'psychic is gonna be really good with Tsons' factors into their equation much.
dan2026 wrote: We live in a world where Genestealer Cults are once again a full army. Why are people so sure Sisters won't come back as well?
Because we've had rumors of plastic Sisters of Battle for over a decade, and absolutely nothing to show for it. Not even new resin models, never mind plastics.
Thus my comment about Chaos players-- chaos players get updates, new miniatures, new codices that have actual expansions of the army, and simply don't like the updates they get. And I'm not saying they don't have valid reasons to dislike whar they've gotten; in actuality, I don't care either way, that's beside the point, which is that they HAVE gotten stuff.
Sisters players, by contrast, simply don't get updates at all, merely rehashes of the same units for the past thirteen years.
Don't forget that Tom Kirby only stepped down as GW CEO in 2015. As well all know everything before that point was rocky at best. We're in the GW renaissance now! Loads of cool stuff has happened in the last 6 months. Hold on for little longer and I think you'll be pleasantly surprised with new Sisters
In the not too distant past we have had new, assassins, harlequins, GS cults, kharn, arihman, Magnus, thousand sons, deathwatch and probably a load of gak I have forgotten.
People just need to calm down and wait. Sisters will come. Mark my words.
Nvs wrote: Sifting through all the side conversations I may have missed it, but is there anything new for Thousand Sons in the legion book? Will it be a direct port so if you have no interest in demons maybe you're better off going with the legion book over magnus?
I really hope so. I don't want to buy the Campaign Book II: Wrath of KHAN Magnus.
I just want the Chaos gak.
Now that we've had it noted by the Warhammer Community page that there are Relics, Warlord tables, and Detachments made up of Formations I think it's safe to say that it includes the new Thousand Sons stuff from Wrath of Magnus.
Is it though? Veterannoob (apologies if I misspelled that) wasn't aware of any new units in traitor legions. I could be misinterpreting that, but the community article also doesn't mention them.
So if traitor legions doesn't include the rules for the the new units, how could they put up formations that require those units? As far as I know that's something only forgeworld does.
Traitor Legions won't have rules for any units. It's essentially going to be the Chaos version of Angels of Death.
hippyjr wrote: So is it worth waiting for the agents book to be released and reviewed before splashing out on some lovely inquisition/gk models?
I can barely contain my excitement! Found out about it seconds after I decided to act on my pipe dream of building an inq/gk/assassin force
you can build that army now. It's even ITC legal 'cause it's 3 sources.
Yeah, but now I don't need to buy three books It's just a case of buying models before the book is released and risk getting stuff that isn't in the book.
hippyjr wrote: So is it worth waiting for the agents book to be released and reviewed before splashing out on some lovely inquisition/gk models?
I can barely contain my excitement! Found out about it seconds after I decided to act on my pipe dream of building an inq/gk/assassin force
you can build that army now. It's even ITC legal 'cause it's 3 sources.
Yeah, but now I don't need to buy three books It's just a case of buying models before the book is released and risk getting stuff that isn't in the book.
oh yeah, sometimes I forget that you're supposed to actually BUY the books.
Melissia wrote: Which remains nothing but vaguaries and no hard evidence.
Gw hinted at them and guys with pretty much 100 accuracy said they are coming.
They are coming.
And who was that?
It was either sad panda or attia. Don't know anxthing those have said that was false. So while gw might have joked(they couldbe stupid enough) with this...well white dwarf has more errors than those two combined.
Never buy based on rumors. Even if they end up being correct at release time. There are no new models AFAIK with LT and Imp Agents over the next 2 weeks. However, in 2017... yay! TL preorder is Saturday.
Melissia wrote: Which remains nothing but vaguaries and no hard evidence.
Gw hinted at them and guys with pretty much 100 accuracy said they are coming.
They are coming.
And who was that?
It was either sad panda or attia. Don't know anxthing those have said that was false. So while gw might have joked(they couldbe stupid enough) with this...well white dwarf has more errors than those two combined.
I'm going to be brutally honest here.
Lady Atia and Sad Panda have a great track record...but BoLS, Naftka, and Faeit have at times posted Atia and Sad Panda's rumors up with slight 'tweaks' from their own wishlists.
I don't know whether it's on purpose to try to make Atia and Sad Panda look bad, if they don't know how to add a postscript, or what but it's important to actually find the posts from Lady Atia and/or Sad Panda to figure out what they actually said.
Pretre and his Rumor Tracker do a great job of this, but you can also search posts on Dakka based on user.
Requizen wrote: Traitor Legions won't have rules for any units. It's essentially going to be the Chaos version of Angels of Death.
And AoD does contain unit rules.
It only contained rules for new models. As stupid as it sounds, by Traitor Legions, the Thousand Sons models won't be "new models", they'll be the previous release. Well, maybe they'll be in there, but likely not. I was responding to this:
So if traitor legions doesn't include the rules for the the new units, how could they put up formations that require those units?
Angels of Death didn't include rules for, say, Bikers or Scouts or Drop Pods, but there were formations that required those units. It's a paradigm that we are used to.
but you can also search posts on Dakka based on user
How do you do this? I see no option for this under Forum Tools?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Nvm, found it though it's pretty clunky.
You first have to search forum users, then find the users profile and in there you will find: Search through all posts by...
Requizen wrote: Traitor Legions won't have rules for any units. It's essentially going to be the Chaos version of Angels of Death.
And AoD does contain unit rules.
It only contained rules for new models. As stupid as it sounds, by Traitor Legions, the Thousand Sons models won't be "new models", they'll be the previous release. Well, maybe they'll be in there, but likely not. I was responding to this:
So if traitor legions doesn't include the rules for the the new units, how could they put up formations that require those units?
Angels of Death didn't include rules for, say, Bikers or Scouts or Drop Pods, but there were formations that required those units. It's a paradigm that we are used to.
Were those entirely new units though? Angels of death is a supplement and requires the base codex to play, which includes those units.
By comparison this would be a supplement for both the base codex and the wrath of magnus campaign book and you would need both books to play traitor legions. It would be a supplement for a supplement.
As far as I know you only need codex csm to play traitor legions as advertised.
Melissia wrote: Which remains nothing but vaguaries and no hard evidence.
Gw hinted at them and guys with pretty much 100 accuracy said they are coming.
They are coming.
And who was that?
It was either sad panda or attia. Don't know anxthing those have said that was false. So while gw might have joked(they couldbe stupid enough) with this...well white dwarf has more errors than those two combined.
I'm going to be brutally honest here.
Lady Atia and Sad Panda have a great track record...but BoLS, Naftka, and Faeit have at times posted Atia and Sad Panda's rumors up with slight 'tweaks' from their own wishlists.
I don't know whether it's on purpose to try to make Atia and Sad Panda look bad, if they don't know how to add a postscript, or what but it's important to actually find the posts from Lady Atia and/or Sad Panda to figure out what they actually said.
Pretre and his Rumor Tracker do a great job of this, but you can also search posts on Dakka based on user.
It was Atia and there were screenshots of her blog confirming it.
I posted the images in the plastic SOB thread.
Here's the link for convenience.
Requizen wrote: Traitor Legions won't have rules for any units. It's essentially going to be the Chaos version of Angels of Death.
And AoD does contain unit rules.
It only contained rules for new models. As stupid as it sounds, by Traitor Legions, the Thousand Sons models won't be "new models", they'll be the previous release. Well, maybe they'll be in there, but likely not. I was responding to this:
So if traitor legions doesn't include the rules for the the new units, how could they put up formations that require those units?
Angels of Death didn't include rules for, say, Bikers or Scouts or Drop Pods, but there were formations that required those units. It's a paradigm that we are used to.
Playing Devil's Advocate really quickly, but Traitor Legions is being marketed as a Supplement to Chaos Space Marines, not Thousand Sons and Chaos Space Marines.
I would be really surprised not to see the new Thousand Sons stuff within it. I'm being kind of hopeful that we see Contemptor, Tartaros, and Cataphractii rules in there as well.
Melissia wrote: Which remains nothing but vaguaries and no hard evidence.
Gw hinted at them and guys with pretty much 100 accuracy said they are coming.
They are coming.
And who was that?
It was either sad panda or attia. Don't know anxthing those have said that was false. So while gw might have joked(they couldbe stupid enough) with this...well white dwarf has more errors than those two combined.
I'm going to be brutally honest here.
Lady Atia and Sad Panda have a great track record...but BoLS, Naftka, and Faeit have at times posted Atia and Sad Panda's rumors up with slight 'tweaks' from their own wishlists.
I don't know whether it's on purpose to try to make Atia and Sad Panda look bad, if they don't know how to add a postscript, or what but it's important to actually find the posts from Lady Atia and/or Sad Panda to figure out what they actually said.
Pretre and his Rumor Tracker do a great job of this, but you can also search posts on Dakka based on user.
It was Atia and there were screenshots of her blog confirming it.
I posted the images in the plastic SOB thread.
Here's the link for convenience.
But that doesn't change my point. It's important to note the difference between "Well I read from soandso site that Lady Atia or Sad Panda said..." and "Here's Lady Atia or Sad Panda saying...".
Always, always, always look for the confirmation or direct source. Lady Atia and Sad Panda don't try to hide things when they're discussing rumors.
Requizen wrote: Traitor Legions won't have rules for any units. It's essentially going to be the Chaos version of Angels of Death.
And AoD does contain unit rules.
It only contained rules for new models. As stupid as it sounds, by Traitor Legions, the Thousand Sons models won't be "new models", they'll be the previous release. Well, maybe they'll be in there, but likely not. I was responding to this:
So if traitor legions doesn't include the rules for the the new units, how could they put up formations that require those units?
Angels of Death didn't include rules for, say, Bikers or Scouts or Drop Pods, but there were formations that required those units. It's a paradigm that we are used to.
Playing Devil's Advocate really quickly, but Traitor Legions is being marketed as a Supplement to Chaos Space Marines, not Thousand Sons and Chaos Space Marines.
I would be really surprised not to see the new Thousand Sons stuff within it. I'm being kind of hopeful that we see Contemptor, Tartaros, and Cataphractii rules in there as well.
I wouldn't be surprised if all if they were in there either. But I guess it really depends on GW's whims.
You can play Traitor Legions as is with just the CSM codex - especially if you're playing anything other than Thousand Sons. But I would imagine they will be in there so people don't riot about having to buy two new books. But I guess if you really want to just play Thousand Sons, just get the Thousand Sons book? idk we'll just have to wait and see.
Melissia wrote: Which remains nothing but vaguaries and no hard evidence.
Gw hinted at them and guys with pretty much 100 accuracy said they are coming.
They are coming.
And who was that?
It was either sad panda or attia. Don't know anxthing those have said that was false. So while gw might have joked(they couldbe stupid enough) with this...well white dwarf has more errors than those two combined.
I'm going to be brutally honest here.
Lady Atia and Sad Panda have a great track record...but BoLS, Naftka, and Faeit have at times posted Atia and Sad Panda's rumors up with slight 'tweaks' from their own wishlists.
I don't know whether it's on purpose to try to make Atia and Sad Panda look bad, if they don't know how to add a postscript, or what but it's important to actually find the posts from Lady Atia and/or Sad Panda to figure out what they actually said.
Pretre and his Rumor Tracker do a great job of this, but you can also search posts on Dakka based on user.
While I agree with what you said about BoLS, I am pretty sure "Lady" Atia is copying from Sad Panda and very much so just echos whatever someone else says with slight twists.
This just means they are coming, this we already know from the GW bin teaser. The question on everyones mind atm is when. Jan is pretty much the only free slot atmafaik unless they release allot of Chaos stuff with Abbadont. If I remember correctly Feb was suppose to be AoS stuff or Chaos Stuff.
Melissia wrote: Which remains nothing but vaguaries and no hard evidence.
Gw hinted at them and guys with pretty much 100 accuracy said they are coming.
They are coming.
And who was that?
It was either sad panda or attia. Don't know anxthing those have said that was false. So while gw might have joked(they couldbe stupid enough) with this...well white dwarf has more errors than those two combined.
I'm going to be brutally honest here.
Lady Atia and Sad Panda have a great track record...but BoLS, Naftka, and Faeit have at times posted Atia and Sad Panda's rumors up with slight 'tweaks' from their own wishlists.
I don't know whether it's on purpose to try to make Atia and Sad Panda look bad, if they don't know how to add a postscript, or what but it's important to actually find the posts from Lady Atia and/or Sad Panda to figure out what they actually said.
Pretre and his Rumor Tracker do a great job of this, but you can also search posts on Dakka based on user.
While I agree with what you said about BoLS, I am pretty sure "Lady" Atia is copying from Sad Panda and very much so just echos whatever someone else says with slight twists.
She's not. Lady Atia is a very reliable source of exclusive info. End of discussion.
The thing is, if this was a normal company, not requiring wrath of magnus and not including the new units would mean that traitor legions would not have the wrath of magnus formations. But TSons also get a decurion in traitor legions, so by extension, that would mean they would get a different decurion based on only the csm units.
Which is why I'm so interested to know whether or not you can replace the csm profiles with the new units. That way you could still use wrath of magnus with traitor legions and also traitors hate.
Roknar wrote: The thing is, if this was a normal company, not requiring wrath of magnus and not including the new units would mean that traitor legions would not have the wrath of magnus formations. But TSons also get a decurion in traitor legions, so by extension, that would mean they would get a different decurion based on only the csm units.
Which is why I'm so interested to know whether or not you can replace the csm profiles with the new units. That way you could still use wrath of magnus with traitor legions and also traitors hate.
I doubt it for Traitor's Hate, because that's a supplement in and of itself.
Well if they were like cataphractii for loyalists, you could do it. Those are like kytans right? Wherever you can take normal terminators, you can take cataphractii instead. Likewise you could use scarab terminators instead of normal terminators. Haven't heard anybody confirm that's possible one way or another but that would be pretty cool.
Melissia wrote: Which remains nothing but vaguaries and no hard evidence.
Gw hinted at them and guys with pretty much 100 accuracy said they are coming.
They are coming.
And who was that?
It was either sad panda or attia. Don't know anxthing those have said that was false. So while gw might have joked(they couldbe stupid enough) with this...well white dwarf has more errors than those two combined.
I'm going to be brutally honest here.
Lady Atia and Sad Panda have a great track record...but BoLS, Naftka, and Faeit have at times posted Atia and Sad Panda's rumors up with slight 'tweaks' from their own wishlists.
I don't know whether it's on purpose to try to make Atia and Sad Panda look bad, if they don't know how to add a postscript, or what but it's important to actually find the posts from Lady Atia and/or Sad Panda to figure out what they actually said.
Pretre and his Rumor Tracker do a great job of this, but you can also search posts on Dakka based on user.
While I agree with what you said about BoLS, I am pretty sure "Lady" Atia is copying from Sad Panda and very much so just echos whatever someone else says with slight twists.
She's not. Lady Atia is a very reliable source of exclusive info. End of discussion.
Yeah, if you believe that Lady atia just copies Sad Panda you probably aren't at all familiar with the two. In fact, since the white dwarf switchover Sad Panda has been extremely silent - he might be done. Atia has been going strong before during and after - praise her efforts. Good shot at appearing informed though.
Yeah, if you believe that Lady atia just copies Sad Panda you probably aren't at all familiar with the two. In fact, since the white dwarf switchover Sad Panda has been extremely silent - he might be done. Atia has been going strong before during and after - praise her efforts. Good shot at appearing informed though.
I think everything you needed to know came from the fact that he put 'lady' in quotations.
I personnally, don't view ANY rumor posters offering vagaries and no real evidence to be 100% reliable. No one is an Oracle.
I'll gladly accept plastic SoB models existence once I actually see pictures of the models. But we have nothing but talk. And the last few dozen times we had nothing but talk, nothing was delivered. And looking down on me, as a few people in this thread are, for expecting more of the same, is jackass behavior.
Melissia wrote: I personnally, don't view ANY rumor posters offering vagaries and no real evidence to be 100% reliable. No one is an Oracle.
I'll gladly accept plastic SoB models existence once I actually see pictures of the models. But we have nothing but talk. And the last few dozen times we had nothing but talk, nothing was delivered. And looking down on me, as a few people in this thread are, for expecting more of the same, is jackass behavior.
What about a rumour from the GW design team? Since that's the state of play presently, you can be sure something is on the horizon and with the appearance of sisters of silence, I'd expect them to look similar.
Cothonian wrote: I am really looking forward to Codex Imperial Agents. No more having to buy 3+ codex's for armies with only four or five units.
Agreed. That, and I prefer hard copies to electronica by like x45 or at least x44.7.
Is this a codex or supplement? I don't think this will replace anything so you are still going to need the SoB codex or what not and will not replace them totally. I could be wrong but I am going by the rumour of "no more new codices" so we will still need 3+ books. Please correct me if I am wrong as usual.
Melissia wrote: We've gotten rumors from the gw design team in the past and gotten nothing from it.
So no, that's still not convincing.
Cold, hard evidence. Nothing less.
Then don't read rumors if you're just going to complain about how they aren't substantial? It's easy. Just close the window if you don't agree with things.
I check occasionally just in case someone actually has something substamtial. Because, tho I have no expectation of it happening, it'd still be nice if it happened
As for why I post more than once, when people respond to me, I respond back, as part of the ongoing conversation. This is common sense., and it boggles the mind that you'd be confused by it.
Commisar wrote: I will admit to being a little nervous now - no one seems to be chattering about what is contained in Codex Imperial Agents.
You'd think someone might know what units were contained within.
But I will beleave something as and when it goes up on Atia's blog.
We know what units were mentioned in the White Dwarf blurb. It's a few weeks out, that's pretty far for rumor mongers that aren't insiders. And those ones have been riding the CSM hype train.
Melissia wrote: Which remains nothing but vaguaries and no hard evidence.
Gw hinted at them and guys with pretty much 100 accuracy said they are coming.
They are coming.
And who was that?
It was either sad panda or attia. Don't know anxthing those have said that was false. So while gw might have joked(they couldbe stupid enough) with this...well white dwarf has more errors than those two combined.
Here's what Sad Panda said about sisters:
Spoiler:
Sisters of Battle Rumors / Campaign Rumors - Feb 2015
I think it is worth remembering that the Bloodthirster is an End Times mini. No more End Times beyond Archaon in 2015. TRUE No more Greater Daemons in 2015.
No Sisters in 2015 either, sorry.
And no summer campaign. TRUE
As mentioned elsewhere, this summer on the 40K-side of things is mostly about the folks from Mars (but no campaign), as well as a few 1-week-releases (think Necrons). And of course, the new Fantasy kicking off Q3.
And Atia:
Spoiler:
PENDING 40k Chaos Rumors - Nov 2016
So, take it with a bit of salt, but I just want to add my two cents:
- I heard that both renegades and traitor legions would get love and rules this year, and I heard there will be two books for chaos this year (but no Codex). Now we got Traitors Hate already, so the legions book would make sense with what I know.
- Physical rules for assassins, sororitas silentium and custodes make sense too. Even more if they can add a teaser for the sisters of battles^^
I think it's time to lock this thread until we get the first solid info from Imperial Agents. This week and the next will be the Traitor Legion stuff but after this we should get some solid info.
If the Imperial Agents codex has the old metal minis in it then I'd assume it's a safe bet we wont see Sisters until a week before 8E so they are invalidated in the same fashion the 2E or 3E was.
While I agree with what you said about BoLS, I am pretty sure "Lady" Atia is copying from Sad Panda and very much so just echos whatever someone else says with slight twists.
Why say you're very sure? Why not just look at exactly what they posted?
All of Sad Panda's Rumors:
Sad Panda - Total rumors: (66 TRUE) / (0 FALSE) / (1 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) - Updated 11/15/2016
Spoiler:
PENDING Thousand Son Rumors - Oct 2016
It's not. The HH Marines in the game will be generic (except for the two characters). TRUE
But they come from the same CAD portfolio. Take, say, the computer models of generic 30K Tartaros Pattern Terminators, add 40K bling, change poses, switch a few weapons -> 40K Rubric Terminators. Saves time and effort and costs. TRUE
Same for the Tzeentch models. It was a massive design portfolio that included everything from Tzaangors to LoC and Magnus. They may not be the same sprue, but include lots of computer "bitz" and design elements from a large, newly created Tzeentch-design-elements-library.
(Similar approach for Khorne, Stormcast, etc..).
PENDING 40k Rumors - Oct 2016
No. I only know of one other not-FW primarch in the pipeline. He'll be "Team Imperium" and part of setting up the story for 8th.
There may be more I simply haven't heard about, but as with Daemonkin, I can assure you that there is no plan to go through the four Chaos Gods with symmetrical releases. That's not how the 40K story evolution for the next year or so (from the tiny bits I know) is set up.
“MKIII isn’t wrong. But no mention of Sisters or Custodes? Odd.”
Deathwatch Rumors - July 2016
It’s not gonna bit a huge release, but enough. There’s a pretty cool, very sleek dropship/flyer with an enormous Inquisition =I= as fuselage. TRUE
Probably builds more than one variant.
28mm Capt. Artemis is also a go, probably a single character clam pack. TRUE
Deathwatch Rumors - July 2016
Haven't seen the rules. Haven't seen the sprues unpainted. But I could swear Deathwatch will get access to some xenos gear. That sure looks like an green, ominously glowing Necron-style sword that one guy has. TRUE
Also a Captain/Master of the Watch (?) HQ type in a pose similar to new-Ulrik. TRUE
PENDING 40k Rumors - June 2016
As I was told (though it might be nonsense), the earliest sessions to start work on a new edition led to the decision to not update (for the most part) the Tau Codex and no longer re-do older books. Apparently they actually had more thorough rule-changes for the Tau, scrapped them, but still printed loads of not-new Tau Codex books because the printers were already booked, leading to the hybrid old/new Codex that is the Tau book.
But they are definitely working on a new edition. It just won't be released in 2016, not least (as I heard) because they want to move the story and need time for that.
Chaos Rumors - June 2016
Question: What IF we aren't getting 40K Thousand Sons, but we are getting 30K Thousand Sons?
Sad Panda: Both. TRUE
A lot of people over the years claimed the GDs were all finished and claimed they saw them (talking about myths).
All of them curiously missed this particular vintage-epic-inspired-villain next to the only recently finished LoC his design portfolio.
Remember the Warhammer Fest comment about things changing, but not quite as drastic as End Times/AoS? 40K is on the move.
40k Rumors - May 2016
Sad Panda wrote:
New edition won't arrive in 2016.
But they will (and kinda already do) move the story forward. TRUE
PENDING 40k Rumors - May 2016
There is a new edition of 40K in the works.
It's also correct that GW doesn't bother re-doing old Codex books, basically since Tau, as they consider 7th a lame duck rule set (there will still be rules for new miniatures, incl. campaigns, Codex Deathwatch, etc..).
Just that the timeline is off and the new edition further away ... at least 2017 ... according to my information (which has been good so far, but a new edition of 40K is the most secretive topic you could find in GW).
There is no Betrayal at Calth expansion (not counting White Dwarf material and possibly something digital).
There is a separate HH-based game, but it was written before Calth hit the shelves. It is no more an expansion to Calth than Overkill is an expansion to Execution Force. It simply shares the same setting/time period. TRUE
The working title in the studio is or was Warhammer Quest: Silver Tower. TRUE
Will it be the final product name? I don’t know.
The concept is a dungeon crawl in an ever-changing labyrinth of Tzeentch, slaying Horrors (that just turn into more, smaller Horrors) and other creatures of Tzeentch TRUE
PENDING Age of Sigmar Rumors - Mar 2016
timetowaste85 wrote:
Q:When did sad panda say Tzeentch stuff was hitting again? I’m expecting a “start collecting” box for them. If it’s like Khorne and Nurgle have gotten, I’d expect horrors, screamers and a chariot in it. Which I’m considering picking up today. But if Tzeentch is getting love in the next month or two, I’d hold off.A: It begins with the AoS board game, which is more than two months out.No idea about start collecting boxes and other re-packages.
Stormcast Release Rumors - Feb 2016
There should be a significant Stormcast-release sometime soon. TRUE
Horus Heresy Rumors - Feb 2016
I wouldn't call it Calth II or a Calth sequal.
It's a boxed game during the Heresy. There are Space Marines. Similarities end there.
PENDING Deathwatch Rumors - Feb 2016
This is main studio. It is in hard plastic and the miniatures can be used in 40K without conversions.
People underestimate the lead time on those boxed games / starter sets in plastic.
The Deatwatch game was finished by the time EF was released.
The AoS-themed boxed game you'll see this summer was finished by the time the AoS starter was released.
The second HH boxed game this fall was finished by the time Calth was released.
The specialist games studio was launched a little more than a month ago. The teased Blood Bowl stuff was probably the first work this team did after starting their new jobs in January. It will likely be among the first things they will release, and I don't think they are aiming for 2016.
Warhams-77 wrote:
Awesome, thanks for providing more info, Sad Panda! By cultists you mean hybrids? Humanoids with 2-4 arms and weapons?
Yes. TRUE
No info on rules. Sorry.
Release Schedule Rumors - Feb 2016
It's not impossible there will be a FSE book, which may or may not be reprinting the rules from Mont'ka. TRUE
I wouldn't expect many miniatures with it. Probably just be the book, or a single clam-pack at most. There will be several 1-week things 2016. PARTIALLY TRUE
Deathwatch miniatures in the boxed game are all mono-pose characters (think Space Hulk, except with normal bases). Sternguard rumors are nonsense. One is possibly the first dedicated Blood Ravens mini by GW (feel free to correct me there. My GW-history-fu is weak)? TRUE
Lots of cultists, a few pure genestealers, another new broodlord. TRUE
Space Wolf Rumors - Jan 2016
"I was just saying to myself, isn't it about time they pulled another 3 SM units out of thin air and pretend they've always been there?"
But... but... this time it's actually true! Time flows strangely in the Eye.
Let's hope the things these lost brothers hunted won't be following them back out later this year. TRUE
PENDING Chaos Rumors - Dec 2015
via Sad Panda in response to this..
"I'm willing to bet that we won't see a CSM release in 2016. In fact, I'm willing to be wearing a Maple Leafs jersey for an entire week! (and I say this as a die hard Habs fan)" TRUE
If you think of a full new CSM Codex 7th Ed. with a full overhaul of rules and/or models, you're probably right.
If you mean absolutely nothing for Chaos Marines, you'll be wrong.
It is true that 2016 will have (among other things) a (mostly AoS) Tzeentch-theme running through it, similar to how 2015 had Khorne.
The reason there likely won't be a Tzeentch Daemonkin, is because GW is doing possible cross-overs a bit more deliberately than the written-over-a-weekend KDK.
That said, just about the only thing in a fairly impressive pipeline of (mostly AoS) Tzeentch that is NOT ready or even sculpted yet, is the LoC. If he comes, he'll be the tail end, possibly as late as 2017, not the kick-off to Tzeentch the way the Bloodthirster was for Khorne.
Don't worry. I don't think there will be a new Guard Codex in 2016. Certainly not in the first half of the year.
Cadians specifically, but yes. Also Baneblade & friends.
Hopefully this shows there won't be a Tyranid vs. AM campaign next year. TRUE
Tau Rumors - Nov 2015
The Friday/Saturday notwithstanding, that pre-order weekend is correct. (NOV 20) TRUE
No Tau models, but a mix of Imperial things, notably repackaged black-clad operatives hunting O'Shova. TRUE
Release Schedule Rumors - Oct 2015
There is no separate 30K wargame. There is no third GW main game. TRUE
I think people still underestimate how much GW is into AoS. AoS is going to be big - very big - for christmas. And early 2016. AoS is still the main show.
Genestealer Cult Rumors - Oct 2015
True. Deathwatch/Genestealer Cult will almost certainly be the next board game after EF and Calth. But not this year. TRUE
Horus Heresy Rumors - Aug 2015
It is not a starter. It is a board game. TRUE
Release Schedule Rumors - Aug 2015
Age of Sigmar launch is still three full months in total. No shortcuts. TRUE
AOS Rumors - Aug 2015
Sigmarines will be back for another wave, as will Khorne. TRUE Dwarfs are early 2016 at best TRUE Tzeentch is still a troll-rumour. Not gonna happen.
Should be another ~2 months AoS. Tau after that. It's still a while off. TRUE
Warhammer Fantasy Rumors - June 2015
Those rumours sound cool. Perhaps better than the real thing. TRUE
But the good guys of the starter really are Fantasy Space Marines for all intents. TRUE And nothing else. Even a bit broader than Space Marines, even a bit chubby looking. Models might make reasonable Adeptus Custodes conversions even. And they are all male of course. TRUE
WArhammer Fantasy rumors - May 2015
Sad Panda wrote:
There is no separate board game or mordheim-sized skirmish game.
Age of Sigmar replaces/follows WFB as the other big game next to 40K, though the rules are very different from WFB. TRUE
If you even mildly dislike the recent narrative direction of 40K, brace yourself.
Dark Angels Rumors - May 2015
Dark Angels codex comes late in June with a new clampack Interrogator Chaplain (completely new model with a powerfist, not the DV one). TRUE
Miniatures are not snap fit, but the game(s) in the box(es) is(are) definitely more board-game-ish, played on 2D card-board tiles. TRUE
Adeptus Mechanicus Rumors - Apr 2015
via Sad Panda on Dakka Dakka:
“As mentioned elsewhere, this summer on the 40K-side of things is mostly about the folks from Mars (but no (global) campaign), as well as a few 1-week-releases (think Necrons). And of course, the new Fantasy kicking off Q3.”via Lords of Wargaming, facebook:
April/May It’s Admech, but there will be two codices. Also tanks will be walkers.From LowG facebook
“They are not actually Admech. That codex will release later. The books will be Skatarii and Cult Mechanicus.” TRUE “Supplements, but models as well.” TRUE Horus Heresy Rumors - Apr 2015
It is real. But as I've said before, its 6+ months out.
Also, it is a "Horus Heresy game" only in the sense that Space Hulk is a "40K game". TRUE
If you want to play Horus Heresy with army lists and terrain and tape measures and the like, you'll still need the current Forge World rules. TRUE
You may actually get a rough idea of this new format next week (after Eldar).
Release Schedule Rumors - Mar 2015
There is no summer campaign. Not Sisters vs. Tzeentch. Not CSM vs. Dark Angels. Not Eldar. Those rumors are all nonsense. DUPLICATE
Eldar get new Codex, similar to Necrons. TRUE Wraithknights gain some weight. TRUE
As I've said elsewhere, there are no new CSM miniatures in 2015. There are no Tzeentch/Nurgle/Slaanesh variant of Daemonkin either. TRUE
Daemonkin is a pure book-and-no-miniatures-release that was developed outside the normal miniatures planning, design and production cycle, as "add-on sale" to ET5. TRUE
If this sells well, things might change, but atm it's a one-shot-thing.
Sisters of Battle Rumors / Campaign Rumors - Feb 2015
I think it is worth remembering that the Bloodthirster is an End Times mini. No more End Times beyond Archaon in 2015. TRUE No more Greater Daemons in 2015.
No Sisters in 2015 either, sorry.
And no summer campaign. TRUE
As mentioned elsewhere, this summer on the 40K-side of things is mostly about the folks from Mars (but no campaign), as well as a few 1-week-releases (think Necrons). And of course, the new Fantasy kicking off Q3.
Harlequin Rumors - Jan 2015
Sad Panda wrote:
Plastic Jester TRUE and Seer should be bringing up the rear of this release. TRUE
Seeing how they have miniatures, they are the ones without IP risks, while Solitaire, Skyweavers and Starweavers (which also builds a HS alternative)TRUE come first.
This might well be a 4 week release, the largest since .. Orks or Space Wolves I believe?
Harlequin Rumors - Jan 2015
The BoLS/Natfka guesses are mostly off. If things go as usual, you may see something taking design cues from this leaked on the interwebs this weekend, right after Necron Codex. TRUE Troupe Master is part of box, not a clampack. TRUE
Chaos Space Marine Rumors - Jan 2015
In the last week of March, GW will release a Codex for Khorne Warbands/Hordes. TRUE
It combines Khorne-themed CSM and daemon units. Formations, etc.. TRUE
It is a one-week release with no new miniatures released for this new codex as such (but Zerkers, in all their old miniatures-glory, are actually in the Codex, no WD spin-offs). TRUE
The main purpose of this khorne codex is to ride in the slipstream of End Times 5, which will be released earlier in march, with the "headline"-release of the new Bloodthirster (builds 3 variants). TRUE
There is no "main" Codex CSM in 2015. There are no nurgle, tzeentch, etc. equivalents to this khorne one planned (yet), as it's mostly an End Times add-on to make the new Bloodthirster with all its variants work in 40K. TRUE
PENDING Sisters Rumors - October 2016
Someguy: Wait, they weren't joking when they talked about Sisters of Battle?
Atia: Nope
PENDING 40k Chaos Rumors - Nov 2016
So, take it with a bit of salt, but I just want to add my two cents:
- I heard that both renegades and traitor legions would get love and rules this year, and I heard there will be two books for chaos this year (but no Codex). Now we got Traitors Hate already, so the legions book would make sense with what I know.
- Physical rules for assassins, sororitas silentium and custodes make sense too. Even more if they can add a teaser for the sisters of battles^^
Regards,
Lady Atia
PENDING Age of Sigmar Rumors - Oct 2016
via Lady Atia on Dakka
There is nothing major for AoS coming in the next two months afaik. Bloodbowl is November TRUE and 1k sons in December.
I sadly have no ETA for the arcanists (but they should take the stage as big badies for AoS next afaik) - but they reboxed the heroes (well, they are pretty pricey soooo). So who know's *shrugs*. It's usually one big release per month and filler for the other weeks now - hence it feels rather slow.
I'm pretty sure we will get all four cult armies down the line, but that's not anytime soon. It's the same with the (daemon) primarchs - you won't get all of them next year lol. These are big awesome releases, they won't hit out everything they can do within a few months.
- Slaanesh isn't dead, she's vanished (some even say she hides in Azyrheim ....)
- Slaanesh's armies are there and kicking. Daemons and mortals.
- Slaanesh's Keeper of Secrets are there and kicking, doing more than ever before, some even naming themself Slaanesh ...
- The whole Slaanesh vs Aelfs storyline is already foreshadowed in the lore. Same with Slaanesh's follower try to find her. Same with Malerion hiding in the Shadowlands. Or the Big Ironjaw emmisary from Gorkamorka doing the Great Waaaaagh!.
- AoS is a storyline, and will continue as that.
- GW's current plastic Slaanesh line is already "kid friendly".
"First monthly white dwarf has the new Khârn in it (leaning forward charging). TRUE
Also a campaign type book with new rules for Chaos Space Marines. It's not a new Codex, but does have cool new rules. TRUE
Also included is the new Deathwatch Codex TRUE with Artemis Model TRUE and the new flyer for them. Looks like a mix between a tau and imperial flyer." TRUE
As always, take it with a tiny bit of salt but that one is usually pretty spot on =)
Anyone still hyped about Tzeentch? Yes? Great. Here some snippets to avoid all possible confusions:
- Forgeworld will do the Prospero Magnus. In resin. Around Fall, for the Inferno release (as I think Russ may be ready for sale for the next Open Day). There are no "problems", Simon Egan just was afraid of both the horns on his chest and his face. He will be the largest Primarch. And of course FW will continue to produce the 30k Primarchs.
- GW will use the Daemon Primarchs for their ongoing storyline. Because that's the things that "are more interesting". You can use them for both 30k and 40k games, more people buy plastic models than resin. Magnus is finished. TRUE But please don't expect all 5/6 Daemon Primarchs tomorrow lol.
- GW already did them (Angron, Mortarion, Magnus and Fulgrim) in EPIC. They all work as large focus models for their respective Cults.
- I wouldn't expect this stuff before the Summer is over. Relax, enjoy your Sylvaneth and play some games using your Handbook.
- Tzeentch Arcanites, Thousand Sons, Daemons of Tzeentch. #YearOfTzeentch (btw, don't take the year as year but more as ~12 months lol). Also, these aren't next in line, so again, don't expect this tomorrow ... TRUE
Last but not least, a quote from Sad Panda that summs it quite up
"Remember it is still a few months out, especially the 40K stuff.
There are a lot of things in the pipeline before it. Deathwatch for example." DUPLICATE
So, let's chill and enjoy our summer =)
regards,
Lady Atia
Horus Heresy - June 2016
"I saw a picture of an exclusive HH Space Marine, which will be available in GW stores the 25th June. It's a World Eater, with a long blade / short Spear, and Terminator armour. The price will be 35€, while stock last... " TRUE
Age of Sigmar Rumors - May 2016
Aelf/Sylvaneth info.
I use salt with this, but sound like plausible.
Should be an Fireslayers like release
2 Troops (one should be the morphed aelf/dryad thing) TRUE 1 cavalry unit (Announced big) TRUE 1 Large Monster kit (beetle i guess) TRUE Sylvaneth/Aelf Battletome TRUE Sylvaneth/Aelf Painting Guide TRUE
Maybe missing 1 to 3 heroes pack.
I hope the Large beetle will have different options (like Fireslayer wyrm)
-taking place in realm of life TRUE -your battle results will be logged at a GW Web Station (the computer you order from when at a GW Store) to prevent skewing results like Eye of Terror did TRUE -it will shape the setting when they write up future campaign books
general's handbook
-units have a model count cap (max 10 models, or 20 models, etc. depends on the unit)
-you can only add models in "groups" (no points for individual models. example: add 5 liberators to your unit for X points)
-book will contain points for all models, and they'll be included in battletomes going forward (i don't know if it's definitive, i couldn't tell if he assumed that was what's going to happen or if he was told by studio guys)
-army organization is a mix of force org from 40k and the point-tiers from fantasy. for every X points in a game, you can have up to Y heros/wizards/monsters, etc.
-in Match Play, there's the "Rule of 1s", in that 1s always fail, limit named characters to 1 per army, and units you summoned cannot summon other units that turn
-weapon upgrades in units won't cost additional points.
-some missions in the book that are styled like LotR games, where you recreate a major battle with each player bringing an army determined by the rules, and such missions will be included in battletomes.
-narrative will have a lot of cool stuff to add to your games. magic items for your heroes to wield, new Path of Glory for all armies, new missions to run, etc.
future models
-in the general's handbook, there looks to be new sylvaneth models shown. i would take this with a grain of salt, as they could be very well done conversions, but from what i heard, there are models of aelfs whose limbs are turning into branches and plants, and new updated treemen (not treelords, the treemen who are bigger than branchwraiths but smaller than treelords)
-concept art shown of allariel riding what looks to be a giant rhino beetle? sounds interesting, possible future model? only time will tell
-Slaanesh is not dead. Models are supposedly finished and they're waiting to get things ready (box art, artwork for future books, production, finding a time to include in the story, etc.) studios rarely release models the second they are done, there's a lot of prep work behind the scenes.
sales numbers
-. AoS is now roughly 30% of sales. 40k is still outperforming by a large margin, but AoS numbers are healthy. what to take away from this is that AoS will continue forward, it's here to stay, there's no plans to go backwards on it.
Use Salt of course !!
/cheers.
bob.
Age of Sigmar Rumors - Apr 2016
- GW is working with tournament organizers to get the stuff right
- There will be points TRUE - There will be unit categories similiar to 40k, Leaders, Battle Line Units, Behemoths and Warmachines (working titles). TRUE - You build your army similiar to 40k now, so you have Battalions and some kind of FoC, depeneding on the points size of your army
- Core Rules + FAQ's stay the same. TRUE - Books are not invalidated TRUE - All warscrolls get points, even Tombkings/Squattonia TRUE - Basically it's Unbound, Story Mode and Tournament Mode
- Open play is basically Unbound or Apocalypse, including rules for multi player battles
- Narrative Play will give you campaign rules similiar to FW's Imperial Armour/HH Campaigns
What do you think so far?
Edit :
- 5 Campaign in the book with a story arc for each. (path to glory included)
- 22 batte plan (small to very big)
- Must have book
- Rules for multiplayer games
- people from the podcast playtested the game.
- 2000 points = 2.5hours battle.
Yes !!! the new destruction army will be the reboot of savage orcs ! TRUE Multiple source agree on this
"army release size, so similar to fyreslayers one. big kit and a few smaller ones and clampacks + bookS" TRUE
Cheers.
bob.
Age of Sigmar Rumors - Feb 2016
"Just to clear things up - there won't be just reboxes 'till Orruks kick off ... but filler for the AoS starterset armies and there should be the re-release of the broodlord soonish afaik." Atia TRUE
Well wouldnt be surprised to see a proper Ad Mec codex when they release their Crusader and Collosus robots
they have designs for them (infact the only designs that didn't got used for the last two Ad Mec releases)
yeah, GW has concepts done for 2 more robots boxes, one which is based on the old collossus and should be a dual kit box, the other based on the crusader. Should have new Datasmith models in it too (or at least that was the plan)
Specialist Games Rumors - Dec 2015
Today i heard rumors that Specialist games are going to release, Blood Bowl.
A reliable source told me about BB re release TRUE
2nd quarter 2016, i guess. Because he told me before the end of the league and we end around june each year
There should be a campaign, and atleast two new battletomes, one this year, one early next year
*hint hint, a new, old, but new faction*
"Old Dwarfs" (essentially the last big plastic wave) = Steamhead Duardin
Slayers + some elements of the Chaos Dwarfs (no hats, but the fire theme) = Fyreslayers TRUE
Release Schedule Rumors - Nov 2015
via Atia on B&C
we will get a second book for War Zone Damocles including some Farsight stuff, called Mont'ka - soon TRUE
you want spoilers? ok!
The Imperium is mad, and sends its forces - Astra Militarum, Adeptus Astartes, Adepta Sororitas ...
... and the agents of the Officio Assassinorum ... Farsight must die TRUE
Chaos Rumors - Sept 2015
Howdy Guys and Girls not home yet, glad that i can post here
A raven whispered that Skarbrand is next week, 80 Pounds pricetag, and he is the Celestant-Prime equivalent for Khorne Bloodbound TRUE
Here a little teaser of things to come in the next weeks, as far as i know
- Prosecutors, with different weapon options, f.e. spears and a two handed hammer TRUE - Bloodreavers, they will have the option of two handed axes too TRUE - Bloodwarriors with different weapon options (2 axes and these coole two-handed axes) TRUE - Slaughterpriest and Skullgrinder clampacks DUPLICATE
no ETA on them yet, so don't ask for it
greetings,
Lady Atia
Tau Rumors - Sept 2015
The first 40k release should be Tau, afaik in October TRUE
Release Schedule Rumors - Sept 2015
via Atia on Bolter and Chainsword
September 19th is Stormcast Eternals afaik ... TRUE Knight Heraldor and Knight Vexillor, no Tau, no Chaos, no Unicorns TRUE
Sigmarine Rumors - Aug 2015
Lady Atia wrote:
This week releases should be afaik:
Prosecutors box, three models, should be 46,- € TRUE
Knight Azyros, should be 33,- €
(that guy is the prosecutor hero) TRUE
Knight Venator, same price as the Azyros, shooty hero TRUE
Stormcast Eternals Upgrade Sprues, should be 9,- €, with shields and stuff (we have seen the shields back with the one bundle) TRUE
Battletome Stormcast Eternals, should be 46,- €, here you have your Armybook/Codex with fluff and rules^^ TRUE
regards,
Lady Atia
Edit: Also, afaik we still have the Knight Vexillor (banner) and Knight Heraldor to go, just not this week
Sigmar Rumors - July 2015
Atia stated what's coming up for next week's preorders(starting August 1st):
Paladins box. Builds Retributors(hammers!), Decimators(greataxes!), or Protectors(glaives!). TRUE
So we get bases and Judicators(ranged unit!) this week, Paladins next week.
Warhammer Fantasy Rumors - May 2015
via Atia on Bolter and Chainsword
Age of Sigmar
well, as far as i know:
- advertising for AoS starts this saturday (white dwarf (you have seen pics from the white dwarf already ), leaflets, etc) TRUE - it's indeed a new start for warhammer fantasy, some big changes are coming TRUE - round bases - yes TRUE - if you want something important - you should buy it now - starting with saturday, some products will vanish :/ TRUE
…the release schedule is skitarii ALREADY TRUE > eldar ALREADY TRUE > maybe dark angels (remember, we only have a Interrogator Chaplain re-direct) TRUE > Cult Mechanicus (as we have working URL’s for the Codex and Datacards) TRUE
'Cause it doesn't look like a lot of copying going on.
So just a thought on the sisters, surely if sisters do get some plastics and they are part of the new imperial agents book surely there will be some photos of the new stuff in the book meaning latest release of January/February 2017
MadCowCrazy wrote: I think it's time to lock this thread until we get the first solid info from Imperial Agents.
Wut? The thread is about both supplements, and we got news about Traitor Legions yesterday. Assuming more info is going to trickle in slowly today/tomorrow/the next day and up to the preorder, there's little reason to lock this thread. There is, however, every reason to not keep going in circles about the Imperial Agents book since literally zero info about that has come out.
Cothonian wrote: I am really looking forward to Codex Imperial Agents. No more having to buy 3+ codex's for armies with only four or five units.
Agreed. That, and I prefer hard copies to electronica by like x45 or at least x44.7.
Is this a codex or supplement? I don't think this will replace anything so you are still going to need the SoB codex or what not and will not replace them totally. I could be wrong but I am going by the rumour of "no more new codices" so we will still need 3+ books. Please correct me if I am wrong as usual.
Codex Imperial Agents is a codex, 136 pages, pre-order Dec 10th. We can post reviews and talk about it then. So where there was no codex before for some of these 9 entries, there will be. More ways of using your collection and themey armies.
Neronoxx wrote: Yeah, if you believe that Lady atia just copies Sad Panda you probably aren't at all familiar with the two. In fact, since the white dwarf switchover Sad Panda has been extremely silent - he might be done. Atia has been going strong before during and after - praise her efforts. Good shot at appearing informed though.
When was the switchover? I've got two rumors from SP in October.
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Melissia wrote: I personnally, don't view ANY rumor posters offering vagaries and no real evidence to be 100% reliable. No one is an Oracle.
I don't consider them 100% reliable, but I consider them to be 95+% reliable.
Sad Panda - Total rumors: (66 TRUE) / (0 FALSE) / (1 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) - Updated 11/15/2016
Atia - Total rumors: (57 TRUE) / (1 FALSE) / (1 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) - Updated 11/19/2016
Neronoxx wrote: Yeah, if you believe that Lady atia just copies Sad Panda you probably aren't at all familiar with the two. In fact, since the white dwarf switchover Sad Panda has been extremely silent - he might be done. Atia has been going strong before during and after - praise her efforts. Good shot at appearing informed though.
When was the switchover? I've got two rumors from SP in October.
Neronoxx wrote: Yeah, if you believe that Lady atia just copies Sad Panda you probably aren't at all familiar with the two. In fact, since the white dwarf switchover Sad Panda has been extremely silent - he might be done. Atia has been going strong before during and after - praise her efforts. Good shot at appearing informed though.
When was the switchover? I've got two rumors from SP in October.
Kanluwen wrote: Lady Atia and Sad Panda have a great track record...but BoLS, Naftka, and Faeit have at times posted Atia and Sad Panda's rumors up with slight 'tweaks' from their own wishlists.
I don't know whether it's on purpose to try to make Atia and Sad Panda look bad, if they don't know how to add a postscript, or what but it's important to actually find the posts from Lady Atia and/or Sad Panda to figure out what they actually said.
Pretre and his Rumor Tracker do a great job of this, but you can also search posts on Dakka based on user.
Your point being? When one sees Sad Panda here or Atia on Atia's site say sisters are coming that's pretty damn sure. GW hinting themselves is just icing on cake then.
Don't care about BOLS, Nafka or Faeith since I don't bother with those.
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Melissia wrote: I personnally, don't view ANY rumor posters offering vagaries and no real evidence to be 100% reliable. No one is an Oracle.
Proven track record is pretty damn good evidence.
Frankly with track records you are better off believing THEM than you are believing white dwarf...
Neronoxx wrote: Yeah, if you believe that Lady atia just copies Sad Panda you probably aren't at all familiar with the two. In fact, since the white dwarf switchover Sad Panda has been extremely silent - he might be done. Atia has been going strong before during and after - praise her efforts. Good shot at appearing informed though.
When was the switchover? I've got two rumors from SP in October.
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Melissia wrote: I personnally, don't view ANY rumor posters offering vagaries and no real evidence to be 100% reliable. No one is an Oracle.
I don't consider them 100% reliable, but I consider them to be 95+% reliable.
Sad Panda - Total rumors: (66 TRUE) / (0 FALSE) / (1 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) - Updated 11/15/2016
Atia - Total rumors: (57 TRUE) / (1 FALSE) / (1 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) - Updated 11/19/2016
Honestly, I even think that one "FALSE" from Atia could easily be called PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE.
By Fall Warzone fenris , AKA do we kill the wolves ? Black Library E-shorts blend into the next part. FALSE
Does "By Fall" mean by the start of Fall, or by the end of Fall? This seems to be a common misunderstanding, where someone will say "I'll have that done by next Wednesday". Do they mean start of day Wednesday, or end of day? And was she talking about Astronomical Seasons or Meteorological Seasons? If we're talking Astronomical Seasons , and coming out by the end of Fall, then the rumor was true. If Meteorological Seasons, it only missed by a few days.
Neronoxx wrote: Yeah, if you believe that Lady atia just copies Sad Panda you probably aren't at all familiar with the two. In fact, since the white dwarf switchover Sad Panda has been extremely silent - he might be done. Atia has been going strong before during and after - praise her efforts. Good shot at appearing informed though.
When was the switchover? I've got two rumors from SP in October.
September was the first monthly White Dwarf.
Okay, so that theory is shot.
After rereading his posts, they were discussion of things happening, not new rumours. We havent heard a new rumour from panda since before september it feels.
tneva82 wrote: Proven track record is pretty damn good evidence.
No, it's not. Having physical proof of the miniatures existing is evidence. Someone saying "this might happen" is rumor.
If a weatherperson who has never been wrong said that it's going to rain in the afternoon, don't you think you might be inclined to carry your umbrella with you?
Playing Devil's Advocate really quickly, but Traitor Legions is being marketed as a Supplement to Chaos Space Marines, not Thousand Sons and Chaos Space Marines.
I would be really surprised not to see the new Thousand Sons stuff within it. I'm being kind of hopeful that we see Contemptor, Tartaros, and Cataphractii rules in there as well.
Has anyone considered the possibility that it's new Thousand Sons rules? Like to represent another group, or Ahriman before he returned to Magnus?
mrhappyface wrote: So I just realised this thread exists, I though all of the rumours would be posted in the WoM/TL/IA thread.
Have I missed anything that was posted in this thread and not the other? Traitor legion rules, artifacts, formations, etc.?
Nothing since the TL teaser post on the community site yesterday. Since they're so insistent to tease us to the point of breaking, we most likely won't see any more teasers till tomorrow or Thursday at the soonest for TL. IA won't be till next week if they keep the same teasing schedule.
Can we get a moderator on that? Or are they too busy censoring avatars?
An Imperial Agent thread would be pointless since there's been no news on that book since it was revealed. Like I said, they seem to have a teasing schedule they are sticking to and we won't know more about that book till next week.
andysonic1 wrote: An Imperial Agent thread would be pointless since there's been no news on that book since it was revealed.
Have you read the last few pages? Quite a lot of Imperial Agents discussion. Even if there is no new Imperial Agent news, it will avoid people that are interested in Imperial Agent to check up the new messages in the thread and find Legion information that they are not interested in instead. And it will do the same for people interested in Legion that are not interested in Imperial Agents.
tneva82 wrote: Proven track record is pretty damn good evidence.
No, it's not. Having physical proof of the miniatures existing is evidence. Someone saying "this might happen" is rumor.
If a weatherperson who has never been wrong said that it's going to rain in the afternoon, don't you think you might be inclined to carry your umbrella with you?
If the "weatherperson" is a meteorologist from an accredited course, I would trust in their training and the science behind meteorology as well as the technology that assists them in predicting the weather.
You're comparing apples and oranges. This is not a valid analogy.
tneva82 wrote: Proven track record is pretty damn good evidence.
No, it's not. Having physical proof of the miniatures existing is evidence. Someone saying "this might happen" is rumor.
If a weatherperson who has never been wrong said that it's going to rain in the afternoon, don't you think you might be inclined to carry your umbrella with you?
If the "weatherperson" is a meteorologist from an accredited course, I would trust in their training and the science behind meteorology as well as the technology that assists them in predicting the weather.
You're comparing apples and oranges. This is not a valid analogy.
It's a fine analogy.
You have a person (weatherperson/rumormonger) who is bringing you information (weather/rumors) even if you don't see the source (meteorology/their insider info) and they have a 100% accuracy rating. So you in general can trust those people.
No one is saying to trust random anons on 4chan. But when someone who has a spotless record says something, it's worth listening to.
This is the thread for discussing news and rumors regarding the Imperial Agents supplement. There's no need for a separate N&R thread about the same topic.
This conversation is going nowhere and it's spiraling off topic, so I'm done. Disagree if you want, but I value the expertise of people who are trained in their field and assisted by advanced technology and centuries of scientific studies far more than the expertise of someone who relies on gut feeling. And I see no logical reason for me to think otherwise.
Melissia wrote: This conversation is going nowhere and it's spiraling off topic
Correct. Further discussion of the analogy is off-topic here. If you want to take it elsewhere, feel free. Of course, discussing the credibility of rumors about the upcoming supplements is on-topic. Thanks!
Manchu wrote: This is the thread for discussing news and rumors regarding the Imperial Agents supplement. There's no need for a separate N&R thread about the same topic.
I don't think you understood my request. I wasn't asking for a new thread about Imperial Agents. I was asking for a separation of the Imperial Agents stuff and the Legion stuff, i.e. this thread becomes only about Imperial Agent, and the discussion about Legions is moved into this thread, which already has “Traitor Legions Codex Supplement” in its very title. Unless there is need for two separate N&R threads about the Legion supplement somehow?
I'll throw my hat in the ring regarding the Agent supplement; I'd say that that is genuine - the photos look pretty authentic to me, and I think faking rumours over a niche faction like Imperial Agents would be pretty sub par if one was aiming to cause a stir for their kicks.
As for the Sisters, I think it is best to remain cautious/sceptical about it. I think with GW's current progress this year, they definitely have it in them to see a SoB release through, but much like a lot of Sister related discussions, I don't think any progress will be made until some hard evidence is presented.
General Annoyance wrote: I'll throw my hat in the ring regarding the Agent supplement; I'd say that that is genuine - the photos look pretty authentic to me, and I think faking rumours over a niche faction like Imperial Agents would be pretty sub par if one was aiming to cause a stir for their kicks.
The legitimacy of the book is not in question. It's in this month's WD. The community page announced it.
The legitimacy of the book is not in question. It's in this month's WD. The community page announced it.
Ah, thanks for clarifying - perhaps I should've refreshed myself with the latest news before saying that
The biggest question now for imperial agents is what the point of it actually is. What purpose is it intended to have. At least for non-sisters players. For sisters players it's: will it have new rules/models on display? Also, will it preview new sisters, be the next step in the final squatting of sisters or just be status quo? These are the pressing issues.
Let it be done! This thread is now officially for discussing the Imperial Agents supplement. Discussion of the Traitors Legion supplement should proceed in the other thread. I will change the title of this thread to reflect the change.
The legitimacy of the book is not in question. It's in this month's WD. The community page announced it.
Ah, thanks for clarifying - perhaps I should've refreshed myself with the latest news before saying that
The biggest question now for imperial agents is what the point of it actually is. What purpose is it intended to have. At least for non-sisters players. For sisters players it's: will it have new rules/models on display? Also, will it preview new sisters, be the next step in the final squatting of sisters or just be status quo? These are the pressing issues.
Exactly what I would like to know just started getting into 40k but considering waiting untili hear more on the sisters.I hope something is announced soon.
Roknar wrote: How come we have virtually no information about traitor legions yet? And the information we do have comes from GW itself ?!
Not even natfka has anything, hell, we don't even have people wishlisting Oo
Those of us with review copies aren't allowed to talk about them until pre-order Saturday/late Friday night US. Like last week with WoM, (I can only speak for myself) the review will post when pre-orders go live. I imagine warhammer community will tease more on Thursday and/or Friday.
But it's...
Roknar wrote: How come we have virtually no information about traitor legions yet? And the information we do have comes from GW itself ?!
Not even natfka has anything, hell, we don't even have people wishlisting Oo
This is an important development. In the past couple months, GW is actively getting ahead of rumors via the new community site and sending review copies to a few peoples. This is a positive step!
Roknar wrote: How come we have virtually no information about traitor legions yet? And the information we do have comes from GW itself ?!
Not even natfka has anything, hell, we don't even have people wishlisting Oo
Those of us with review copies aren't allowed to talk about them until pre-order Saturday/late Friday night US. Like last week with WoM, (I can only speak for myself) the review will post when pre-orders go live. I imagine warhammer community will tease more on Thursday and/or Friday.
I had no idea they were sending out review copies as a rule now.
That's awesome, but my god it's driving me nuts XD. I'm figuratively walking circles into the ground while pacing and checking this thread every chance I get for a whiff of news lol.
So close to the preorders and I know nothing. I'm 90% sure they will copy Black Legion but there is that ever present glimmer of hope and the anticipation is killing me.
And to a lesser degree agents of the imperium lol. I'm just not sure it's something I want....yet
Iron Warriors
Army Special Rules
Relics
Warlord Traits
Formations 1 through 4
Alpha Legion
Army Special Rules
Relics
Warlord Traits
Formations 1 through 4
Night Lords
Army Special Rules
Relics
Warlord Traits
Formations 1 through 4
... and so on, then it will be enough. I don't expect GW to do it properly like FW does with their legion rules, and I certainly don't expect them to do the three other main Legions properly with plastic Noise Marines/Noise Marine Termiantors/Plague Marines & Termiantors/Berzerker Marines (new ones) and Termies/etc., but actually giving some in-game distinction between the various Legions beyond a fething paint job will be the first step in the right direction GW has made with Chaos since that colossal leap backwards they took 9 years ago.
Iron Warriors
Army Special Rules
Relics
Warlord Traits
Formations 1 through 4
Alpha Legion
Army Special Rules
Relics
Warlord Traits
Formations 1 through 4
Night Lords
Army Special Rules
Relics
Warlord Traits
Formations 1 through 4
... and so on, then it will be enough. I don't expect GW to do it properly like FW does with their legion rules, and I certainly don't expect them to do the three other main Legions properly with plastic Noise Marines/Noise Marine Termiantors/Plague Marines & Termiantors/Berzerker Marines (new ones) and Termies/etc., but actually giving some in-game distinction between the various Legions beyond a fething paint job will be the first step in the right direction GW has made with Chaos since that colossal leap backwards they took 9 years ago.
I'd probably hazard the Nurgle and Slaanesh lores getting expanded and the expanded Tzeentch lore from WoM being reprinted in TL as well just to all be in one place.
Here's a thought, if you like the SoB metals this might be the last chance to get them at retail since it's unlikely they'll remain once plastics come out.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Here's a thought, if you like the SoB metals this might be the last chance to get them at retail since it's unlikely they'll remain once plastics come out.
Trust me, they've been the same models for long enough that whoever wants them, has them. Heck, plenty of people who don't want metal models at all have a few hundred/thousand points of 'em.
Roknar wrote: How come we have virtually no information about traitor legions yet? And the information we do have comes from GW itself ?!
Not even natfka has anything, hell, we don't even have people wishlisting Oo
Those of us with review copies aren't allowed to talk about them until pre-order Saturday/late Friday night US. Like last week with WoM, (I can only speak for myself) the review will post when pre-orders go live. I imagine warhammer community will tease more on Thursday and/or Friday.
But it's...
The teasing is real. I sold off my Daemons/CSM to fund my AoS but honestly if the Death Guard stuff is good I might have to suffer another army.
Roknar wrote: How come we have virtually no information about traitor legions yet? And the information we do have comes from GW itself ?!
Not even natfka has anything, hell, we don't even have people wishlisting Oo
Those of us with review copies aren't allowed to talk about them until pre-order Saturday/late Friday night US. Like last week with WoM, (I can only speak for myself) the review will post when pre-orders go live. I imagine warhammer community will tease more on Thursday and/or Friday.
But it's...
I accept PMs. And I'm not a chatterbox. Just throwing that out there.
Those of us with review copies aren't allowed to talk about them until pre-order Saturday/late Friday night US. Like last week with WoM, (I can only speak for myself) the review will post when pre-orders go live. I imagine warhammer community will tease more on Thursday and/or Friday.
But it's...
Glad that the traitor legions material is looking good as chaos deserves a proper bone thrown their way. I just hope the Imperial Agents book isn't just copy + paste lumping together of all the smaller IoM factions but that we gets some actual rules.
Also if GW is reading any of this please feel free to send me any and all Ork related content. Ill review the mess out of them.
Those of us with review copies aren't allowed to talk about them until pre-order Saturday/late Friday night US. Like last week with WoM, (I can only speak for myself) the review will post when pre-orders go live. I imagine warhammer community will tease more on Thursday and/or Friday.
But it's...
Glad that the traitor legions material is looking good as chaos deserves a proper bone thrown their way. I just hope the Imperial Agents book isn't just copy + paste lumping together of all the smaller IoM factions but that we gets some actual rules.
Also if GW is reading any of this please feel free to send me any and all Ork related content. Ill review the mess out of them.
That's they're secret, they already sent you all the orc material that they're making for the next decade.
ERJAK wrote: The biggest question now for imperial agents is what the point of it actually is. What purpose is it intended to have. At least for non-sisters players. For sisters players it's: will it have new rules/models on display? Also, will it preview new sisters, be the next step in the final squatting of sisters or just be status quo? These are the pressing issues.
I'd say that either way, the Agents Codex will not offer new Sisters; if GW is going to release Sisters again, I'd say that they'd definitely have their own Codex. You can make the point that the Adepta Sororitas are the militant arm of the Ordo Hereticus, ergo since the Codex is about Imperial Agents such as Inquisitors, they'll feature in it; but then again, the Deathwatch are the militant arm of the Ordo Xenos, and they have their own Codex.
I think it's clear that this Codex is intended as a replacement for the Inquisition Codex, and its purpose will be primarily with attaching the units within to larger armies (i.e. adding Imperial Assassins and Inquisitors to an Imperial force you own). However, I will say that its existence is good for Sisters fans, as featuring anything related to the Ordo Hereticus will mean that the chances of a Sisters Codex will be high to accompany them.
That is if GW don't get rid of Sisters from the fluff; I doubt they will honestly - it seems too much of a hassle to have to rewrite another faction that will answer to the Ordo Hereticus rather than just use what they have already.
I'd say that either way, the Agents Codex will not offer new Sisters; if GW is going to release Sisters again, I'd say that they'd definitely have their own Codex. You can make the point that the Adepta Sororitas are the militant arm of the Ordo Hereticus, ergo since the Codex is about Imperial Agents such as Inquisitors, they'll feature in it; but then again, the Deathwatch are the militant arm of the Ordo Xenos, and they have their own Codex.
I think it's clear that this Codex is intended as a replacement for the Inquisition Codex, and its purpose will be primarily with attaching the units within to larger armies (i.e. adding Imperial Assassins and Inquisitors to an Imperial force you own). However, I will say that its existence is good for Sisters fans, as featuring anything related to the Ordo Hereticus will mean that the chances of a Sisters Codex will be high to accompany them.
That is if GW don't get rid of Sisters from the fluff; I doubt they will honestly - it seems too much of a hassle to have to rewrite another faction that will answer to the Ordo Hereticus rather than just use what they have already.
G.A
I am hoping that is the case. Have the updated rules for the Inq and have detachment/formation options for the Inq to bring units from the other codexes. For example a Xenos Inquisitor can bring a Deathwatch Kill Team and have whatever detachment bonuses for that but the rules for the Kill Team itself is still from the Deathwatch Codex. The real bare bones stuff like Assasins should have the unit rules in the agents book but let the big armies (Deathwatch, Grey Knights, and Sisters of Battle) retain their own books but have cross faction formations with the Inq. Hopefully laying the foundation for the Inq will lead up to an update to Sisters and Grey Knights in 2017 and considering all the Chaos stuff happening it would be an ideal time to release material for them.
The biggest question at the moment is what models will be pictured in the codex, old metal or new plastic. If it's old metal then we'll know there wont be any Sisters for a long time. If plastic they we could see them at any point in the near future.
A rumor a while back said Sisters were slated for end of Jan pre-orders for a Feb release. This could fit if Abbadont is in Jan, then again what else is scheduled for Jan? I remember reading a rumor that AoS stuff was slated for Feb or that Feb had more chaos stuff.
Either way we should know by the end of next week what we can expect from the Imperial Agents codex. If they have a special edition with =][= tokens I will be getting it as all my armies are part of my Inquisition force in one way or another.
Let it be done! This thread is now officially for discussing the Imperial Agents supplement. Discussion of the Traitors Legion supplement should proceed in the other thread. I will change the title of this thread to reflect the change.
Thanks. Sorry I was a bit abrasive about it, but it wasn't a good situation for neither CSM fans nor Sisters fan and was generating a lot of unnecessary tensions.
MadCowCrazy wrote: The biggest question at the moment is what models will be pictured in the codex, old metal or new plastic. If it's old metal then we'll know there wont be any Sisters for a long time. If plastic they we could see them at any point in the near future.
A rumor a while back said Sisters were slated for end of Jan pre-orders for a Feb release. This could fit if Abbadont is in Jan, then again what else is scheduled for Jan? I remember reading a rumor that AoS stuff was slated for Feb or that Feb had more chaos stuff.
Either way we should know by the end of next week what we can expect from the Imperial Agents codex. If they have a special edition with =][= tokens I will be getting it as all my armies are part of my Inquisition force in one way or another.
Heh, yup, I have all the Ork content set to come out before 2017 Just want to say that my expectations and what I can find acceptable, what I'm looking for to see maybe different from yours are very different from some of yours so I cannot promise you'll be happy and I think that some players will just never be happy with whatever they get .im now, with WoM new TS, finally a CSM player. But I'm well aware of their...long overdue attention. So all I can do is provided The info on pre Orde day I'm allowed to and then let everyone make their own decision
You could have a set number of bodies like 2 crusaders and 3 servitors but have a wide variety of arm/leg/head options so each looks unique, I reckon they could do it justice.
Just a note about Codex: Imperial Agents...it is a codex. So the 9 factions, however small, see that set up with unique attachments to use in conjunction with your armies of the Imperium' codex. So, not everyone is HQ plus 2 troops, I mean.
VeteranNoob wrote: Just a note about Codex: Imperial Agents...it is a codex. So the 9 factions, however small, see that set up with unique attachments to use in conjunction with your armies of the Imperium' codex. So, not everyone is HQ plus 2 troops, I mean.
is there a way to field multiple Agents factions within one detachment or formation? With tournaments restricting number of detachments, this would be a big deal.
VeteranNoob wrote: Heh, yup, I have all the Ork content set to come out before 2017
Ork content? You mean for your podcast or are there going to be a large Ork release in December? I'm guessing podcast because I've heard nothing of Orks this month (It's December where I live, 00:35 of Dec 1st if anyone cares).
One kits orks need/could use is a Big shoota box. We have lootas, why couldn't there be a Big Shoota mob. The good thing about such a kit would be that you could also turn it into a Tank Bustaz kit, you pretty much only need to switch the barrel on the gun from big shoota to rokkit launcha.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I heard that the new Codex will see the release of a new glaze - Battle Sister Purity. It's specifically designed to be used on Grey Knight armour.
So by that, sister armor, traditionally black, will be possibly metallic.. or just shaded with a blue glaze, that is different than the current, which is use on GK to emphasize a distinct metallic finish.
Stupidity needs to me reminded so that it doesn't happen again. That particular lore bit proves that Sisters are far more resistant to the corruption of chaos, far better than Grey Knights in fact because some sisters could resist the corruption without special training or wargear to protect them whilst the GKs needed a talisman to protect themselves, one that could only be made by slaughtering all the remaining sisters, the same ones who were strong enough to resist the taint on their own, in order to create a talisman of protection strong enough to shield the GKs from the taint.
I guess it kinda proves the metric that faith is stronger than chaotic corruption but lack of faith will lead to corruption as several sisters have been tainted by chaos or others (Sister was corrupted by a genestealer cult and even had 2 hybrid babies in the Cast a Hungry Shadow story).
The point is that this proves that GKs can be corrupted even if the codex says no GK has ever fallen to chaos (I'd say Draigo is snorting warp dust with Slaanesh and Doomrider right now but that's just my opinion).
I remember reading somewhere that all codexes shouldn't be considered accurate because they are documents written by the Inquisition regarding the different armies in 40K and thus could be prone to errors. I believe someone at GW said it a long time ago, someone on the design team at that point in time. Think I read it at the start or middle of 5E 40K.
Pariah-Miniatures wrote: So by that, sister armor, traditionally black, will be possibly metallic.. or just shaded with a blue glaze, that is different than the current, which is use on GK to emphasize a distinct metallic finish.
There are other canonical paint schemes for the Adepta Sororitas, with the black just being for a specific Order (the Order of the Ebon Chalice, IIRC). Other popular colors include red, white and silver.
So here's a thought: What if one of the factions in Imperial Agents is the Ecclesiarchy? They could easily roll Sisters, those base DCA/Priest/Flags/Crusaders, and maybe a Cardinal or some other nonsense.
That alone could evolve into a faction based around the Imperial Cult, which is at odds with the opinions of the newly returning Primarchs in the coming 8th edition.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I heard that the new Codex will see the release of a new glaze - Battle Sister Purity. It's specifically designed to be used on Grey Knight armour.
Soooo, nobody's getting that Ward-trocity reference? I'm sure that H.B.M.C. was being saracstic here. Btw, have an exalt, sir, for making 3+ people (myself included) believe that at least for a sec.
Edit: I see that I'm a bit late with this comment. So, yeah...
H.B.M.C. wrote: I heard that the new Codex will see the release of a new glaze - Battle Sister Purity. It's specifically designed to be used on Grey Knight armour.
Soooo, nobody's getting that Ward-trocity reference? I'm sure that H.B.M.C. was being saracstic here. Btw, have an exalt, sir, for making 3+ people (myself included) believe that at least for a sec.
Edit: I see that I'm a bit late with this comment. So, yeah...
Yes... we get it. Until now I had chosen to ignore it.
Well humour is subjective - it merited a chuckle from me, along with the responses
Moving forward, when is this Codex intended for release? This weekend? Page 1 says the 3rd of December, but that'd be odd considering GW only puts up preorders on Saturdays.
General Annoyance wrote: Well humour is subjective - it merited a chuckle from me, along with the responses
Moving forward, when is this Codex intended for release? This weekend? Page 1 says the 3rd of December, but that'd be odd considering GW only puts up preorders on Saturdays.
Imperial Agents will be up for preorder on the 10th.
General Annoyance wrote: Well humour is subjective - it merited a chuckle from me, along with the responses
Moving forward, when is this Codex intended for release? This weekend? Page 1 says the 3rd of December, but that'd be odd considering GW only puts up preorders on Saturdays.
Imperial Agents will be up for preorder on the 10th.
Likely will see leaks around that time as well, as we had for Wrath of Magnus.
General Annoyance wrote: Well humour is subjective - it merited a chuckle from me, along with the responses
Moving forward, when is this Codex intended for release? This weekend? Page 1 says the 3rd of December, but that'd be odd considering GW only puts up preorders on Saturdays.
Imperial Agents will be up for preorder on the 10th.
Likely will see leaks around that time as well, as we had for Wrath of Magnus.
Leaks a day before or day of preorders if Traitor Legion is anything to go off of, with a teaser on Monday. Maybe someone will crack and leak some images beforehand, but the way TL is going it doesn't seem like anyone wants to spoil the surprise.
Yeah, I don't think there will be a surprise with this one. If Sisters are going to turn up, they'll turn up with their own Codex and release, not tied into a supplement sized rulebook.
A certain someone who would know, let it slip that the agents book will not have any new minis, but there would be something next year. As an aside gw has a history of releasing books with pics of old minis, only to release new ones a few weeks later. I remember Eldar and empire books both doing this.
Stupidity needs to me reminded so that it doesn't happen again. That particular lore bit proves that Sisters are far more resistant to the corruption of chaos, far better than Grey Knights in fact because some sisters could resist the corruption without special training or wargear to protect them whilst the GKs needed a talisman to protect themselves, one that could only be made by slaughtering all the remaining sisters, the same ones who were strong enough to resist the taint on their own, in order to create a talisman of protection strong enough to shield the GKs from the taint.
I guess it kinda proves the metric that faith is stronger than chaotic corruption but lack of faith will lead to corruption as several sisters have been tainted by chaos or others (Sister was corrupted by a genestealer cult and even had 2 hybrid babies in the Cast a Hungry Shadow story).
The point is that this proves that GKs can be corrupted even if the codex says no GK has ever fallen to chaos (I'd say Draigo is snorting warp dust with Slaanesh and Doomrider right now but that's just my opinion).
I remember reading somewhere that all codexes shouldn't be considered accurate because they are documents written by the Inquisition regarding the different armies in 40K and thus could be prone to errors. I believe someone at GW said it a long time ago, someone on the design team at that point in time. Think I read it at the start or middle of 5E 40K.
They're Grey Knights, not White. Sometimes they do dark things to try and save humanity. I think that is a mistake a lot of people make about the faction - thinking that because they lack being tainted by chaos they're supposed to be the shining white knights of the Imperium, and they certainly are not.
Stormonu wrote: They're Grey Knights, not White. Sometimes they do dark things to try and save humanity. I think that is a mistake a lot of people make about the faction - thinking that because they lack being tainted by chaos they're supposed to be the shining white knights of the Imperium, and they certainly are not.
The problem isn't that they did it, they regularly kill billions of humans on worlds where daemonic incursions have occurred. They willingly kill billions to prevent the knowledge of chaos from the masses.
The problem is that they HAD to make the talisman in order to protect themselves from the taint, a taint the sisters could resist and did so without special training or wargear. The GKs have the most advanced wargear in all of the imperium and the harshest training (wasn't it like 1 in a million survive the initial training) yet if they had not created the talisman they would/could have been corrupted.
This fluff completely ruins the illusion that the GKs are the most incorruptible of the incorruptible. If the GKs can be corrupted and are so hard to train why not just gather up some sisters, put them through training and have them fight daemons instead since they are less likely to be corrupted than certain types of corruption than the GKs.
Stormonu wrote: They're Grey Knights, not White. Sometimes they do dark things to try and save humanity. I think that is a mistake a lot of people make about the faction - thinking that because they lack being tainted by chaos they're supposed to be the shining white knights of the Imperium, and they certainly are not.
The problem isn't that they did it, they regularly kill billions of humans on worlds where daemonic incursions have occurred. They willingly kill billions to prevent the knowledge of chaos from the masses.
The problem is that they HAD to make the talisman in order to protect themselves from the taint, a taint the sisters could resist and did so without special training or wargear. The GKs have the most advanced wargear in all of the imperium and the harshest training (wasn't it like 1 in a million survive the initial training) yet if they had not created the talisman they would/could have been corrupted.
This fluff completely ruins the illusion that the GKs are the most incorruptible of the incorruptible. If the GKs can be corrupted and are so hard to train why not just gather up some sisters, put them through training and have them fight daemons instead since they are less likely to be corrupted than certain types of corruption than the GKs.
See the problem yet?
I'm not sure you are familiar with the logic or the situation enough to understand it.
Think of it this way. Sisters of battle are super pure right? Like, the purest. Right after Grey knights - they are incorruptible. Not through strength of will, but a combination of that and sorcery. Nothing in the Imperium is fully immune to the predatorions of chaos through purity of will alone, not in 40k.
The grey knights see a wave of blood that fully corrupts half the sisters of battle in no time.
The grey knights obviously know a spell of complete purity protection.
They can use the spell at the cost of the sisters lives, and not a single grey knight should be tempted by the wave.
Or they can take the arguable moral high road, ignore the sisters who may still turn, possibly lose some of their own (because if sisters can fall, so can they right?) And possibly risk the entire mission and allow a gigantic warp invasion.
It's a simple choice when you think about it and don't mindlessly criticize what you don't/can't understand/accept.
No offense intended, but the argument you are making is a tired, old argument that ultimately is born of misunderstandings about the fluff that is in question, and a run-away band wagon called the internet.
So you are basically agreeing with me that Grey Knights CAN be corrupted despite the codex stating none has ever fallen to Chaos.
Also saying I don't/can't understand the situation pretty arrogant.
I base my logic on what was stated, you base yours on what could happen. There is nothing in the text that says that the sisters who didn't get corrupted would succumb to it, that is you adding extras to the story. If we are going by that logic we can just say the grey knights could have summoned the golden throne through a psygate and the emperor would have banished the blood tide.
The text literally reads "Needing a talisman of purity to protect against the Bloodtide's taint".
and "So shielded, the Grey Knights are able to stride through the goreflood without risk of corruption..."
In regards to the sisters it reads:
"Some Battle Sisters are corrupted on contact with the Bloodtide. Those who endure fight valiantly, but most are slaughtered by the Bloodletters atop the basilica walls."
So from this we can draw the obvious conclusion that the GKs NEEDED a talisman of protection, once created they could strike through the goreflood WITHOUT RISK OF CORRUPTION. This means there was a risk of corruption present before but thanks to the talisman of purity they were protected.
From the sisters point of view it literally states "SOME Battle Sisters are corrupted on contact.... THOSE WHO ENDURE fight valiantly.
So the logical conclusion is that the GKs were at risk of being corrupted yet some sisters could resist the taint. It can be assumed they could resist the taint without special training or wargear because there is no fluff anywhere that I am aware of that states that regular Battle Sisters are trained in ways to resist the corruption of chaos or receive special wargear to help defend against it. I guess you could argue that their rigorous training, self chastisement and utter devotion to the God Emperor IS their training. If we assume so then the Sisters basic training and routine is better protection against some forms of corruption than the training and wargear GKs receive.
So the question is now, can you counter my argument using established fluff and without adding extras to your side of the story?
Sororitas Silentum incoming! Hopefully this means we will see their kit available separately. I sure hope so, because I want to make more white-armored Sisters of Silence!
In relation to that, do people remember Hastings comments from 2 months ago on WoS? They sounded like a joke but may actually have been a hint a some sort of new Super Space Marine army?
75Hastings69 wrote:Imagine how the sigmarines are to the standard empire soldier. Wouldn't it be a weird twist of fate if AoS copy pasted space marines into the fantasy setting as Sigmar's answer to chaos always winning, that somehow w40k kind of copy pasted the end times and reboot of fantasy AoS into 40k with the same fundamental idea..... hence new marines will spearhead offensive for the emperor following on from current w40k fluff events/outcome.
That thing about the High Lords sending an email to someone, is that a known reference? Don't read many novels if the secret order has been mentioned anywhere?
Could they just mean the Custodes actually taking action outside the palace now? Then again the Custodes aren't exactly a secret order are they?
MadCowCrazy wrote: So you are basically agreeing with me that Grey Knights CAN be corrupted despite the codex stating none has ever fallen to Chaos.
Also saying I don't/can't understand the situation pretty arrogant.
I base my logic on what was stated, you base yours on what could happen. There is nothing in the text that says that the sisters who didn't get corrupted would succumb to it, that is you adding extras to the story. If we are going by that logic we can just say the grey knights could have summoned the golden throne through a psygate and the emperor would have banished the blood tide.
The text literally reads "Needing a talisman of purity to protect against the Bloodtide's taint".
and "So shielded, the Grey Knights are able to stride through the goreflood without risk of corruption..."
In regards to the sisters it reads:
"Some Battle Sisters are corrupted on contact with the Bloodtide. Those who endure fight valiantly, but most are slaughtered by the Bloodletters atop the basilica walls."
So from this we can draw the obvious conclusion that the GKs NEEDED a talisman of protection, once created they could strike through the goreflood WITHOUT RISK OF CORRUPTION. This means there was a risk of corruption present before but thanks to the talisman of purity they were protected.
From the sisters point of view it literally states "SOME Battle Sisters are corrupted on contact.... THOSE WHO ENDURE fight valiantly.
So the logical conclusion is that the GKs were at risk of being corrupted yet some sisters could resist the taint. It can be assumed they could resist the taint without special training or wargear because there is no fluff anywhere that I am aware of that states that regular Battle Sisters are trained in ways to resist the corruption of chaos or receive special wargear to help defend against it. I guess you could argue that their rigorous training, self chastisement and utter devotion to the God Emperor IS their training. If we assume so then the Sisters basic training and routine is better protection against some forms of corruption than the training and wargear GKs receive.
So the question is now, can you counter my argument using established fluff and without adding extras to your side of the story?
Well to be fair, " no GK has ever fallen to chaos" doesn't mean they can't potentially fall. It only means that none ever has, perhaps due to going to such extreme lengths as butchering sisters to remain pure or even killing their own at the slightest hint.
I'm not taking a side either way, I haven't read the book. Just saying that most pure =/= immune. They could be 99 percent resistant, but it's still technically possible to corrupt then.
unmercifulconker wrote: That thing about the High Lords sending an email to someone, is that a known reference? Don't read many novels if the secret order has been mentioned anywhere?
Could they just mean the Custodes actually taking action outside the palace now? Then again the Custodes aren't exactly a secret order are they?
Well, if it's the power to "unmake Gods", the closest known not-all-new thing I can think of are Sisters of Silence. They're all blanks so if you got a strong enough field of them together, you could give a daemon or other warp being (IE, a god) a heart attack or something. Even the God Emperor himself was stated to be killable by a strong enough blank (the one that the execution force runs into in Nemesis)
While it's true that the last known ones were supposedly killed in the Beast Arises series, I wouldn't be surprised if a bunch more unknown ones were still fighting (and er... recruiting to replace losses of course) in the inner palace against the Golden Throne webway breach.
unmercifulconker wrote: That thing about the High Lords sending an email to someone, is that a known reference? Don't read many novels if the secret order has been mentioned anywhere?
Could they just mean the Custodes actually taking action outside the palace now? Then again the Custodes aren't exactly a secret order are they?
Well, if it's the power to "unmake Gods", the closest known not-all-new thing I can think of are Sisters of Silence. They're all blanks so if you got a strong enough field of them together, you could give a daemon or other warp being (IE, a god) a heart attack or something. Even the God Emperor himself was stated to be killable by a strong enough blank (the one that the execution force runs into in Nemesis)
While it's true that the last known ones were supposedly killed in the Beast Arises series, I wouldn't be surprised if a bunch more unknown ones were still fighting (and er... recruiting to replace losses of course) in the inner palace against the Golden Throne webway breach.
It would make sense for the SOS to be recruiting more blanks since we see other organizations doing it in the fluff. Abnett had Eisenhorn create the distaff which had dozens of blanks in it and Ravenor had a blank in his entourage as well. The Culexus Temple continues to find blank recruits to turn into assassins so there's no reason why the SOS couldn't or wouldn't also be finding more blank recruits.
bubber wrote: surely its a reference to Custodes in 40K?
No, because Custodes have been around and visible in the years since the Heresy. The Sisters of Silence have pretty much been unheard of.
Also they are not "human in appearance".
Sisters of Silence are.
Oh - ok, to both of you.
must admit that even though I've been doing 40k since WD89 my 'fluff' knowledge is appalling! I'm also now getting lost on the other threads with army formations. I'll just wait until the books come out & try to decipher things then.
This is the final chapter in the fluff book of WoMagnus, moving it forward to the Black Crusade much faster than I expected. The page opposite of this is that bald sister of silence art from The Beast Arises.
...actually, there are two more pages off TS fluff after this page I won't spoil, but what another surprise!
This is the final chapter in the fluff book of WoMagnus, moving it forward to the Black Crusade much faster than I expected. The page opposite of this is that bald sister of silence art from The Beast Arises.
...actually, there are two more pages off TS fluff after this page I won't spoil, but what another surprise!
You could spoil it in a PM for someone who isn't going to be getting the book any time soon maybe?
bubber wrote: surely its a reference to Custodes in 40K?
No, because Custodes have been around and visible in the years since the Heresy. The Sisters of Silence have pretty much been unheard of.
Also they are not "human in appearance".
Sisters of Silence are.
Well...they share the same visual appearance as humans(but, then again, so do Eldar), but definitely very different in terms of size and build. Whereas, the Sisters of Silence are human...in a sense.
feth it, it's in people's hands starting tomorrow.
Spoiler:
All the punishment Fenris system took and power siphoned allowed Magnus to not only get poetic justice, making the SW feel exactly what his legion and world did, but was the final component in the ritual. With a destroyed world in the Fenris system, exploded by the SW (haha!) the rift between warp and reality thinned and then exploded with the brightness of a new star. The Planet of the Sorcerers had returned to the realspace Prospero system. Prospero saw it's new brother planet birth from the warp and with all the madness of the empyrean at its heels. The Imperium would never be the same.
Also: at Cadia multiple demon primarchs have been reported and Magnus is one of them, so Logan gathers whatever is left alive of his chapter, leaves a garrison on Fenris and marches towards death, full force, at Cadia and the Eye.
Could that reference be the long forgotten Sensei?
The literal biological children that the Emperor supposedly sired. They're supposed to have amazing superpowers and imortality. Plus I imagine they'd be a huge secret.
We’ve been hearing for months about what 8th Edition of Warhammer 40,000 may hold. Here’s today latest from an old reliable rumormonger who’s been around for years: Sources tell BoLS: -8th Edition starter is Astartes vs Chaos Marines. -Rulebook will be similar to Age of Sigmar’s General’s Handbook. -Look for Campaign Books similar to the Realmgate Wars series. -Point costs and rules for Army construction will be in the “General’s Handbook” and future codex-like Books -Release date for 8th Edition is June -The new Edition will be set after Abaddons’s 13th Black Crusade -Initial focus on factions will be on Imperium vs. Chaos -There are brewing disagreement between the returning Primarchs -Many are shocked and disagree the 40th Millennia Imperium’s religion and injustice. Now the previous rumors were heavy on what the rule set would be like: GW is borrowing some rules mechanics form Age of Sigmar to pull over into the new edition. Look for an emphasis on ease of play, especially for new players. Look for the variable-stats-based-on-damage rule mechanic seen on some Age of Sigmar monsters to make it’s way into the Grimdark. Look for Psychics to be greatly simplified. Army construction will not be constrained. Some version of AoS Warscrolls will make their way into the game. The game will retain it’s gameplay and tactical depth, and not come anywhere near AoS’s tiny 4 pages of rules. GW’s design goal is to maintain 40K’s depth of tactics and play, while speeding up playtime and removing needless detail. This could mirror the major shift we saw with Age of Sigmar from Warhammer Fantasy Battles – “New Setting, New Rules!” Guess we’ll find out soon enough… ~Have at it! news/rumo
So does the 13th Black Crusade end on Terra or is it another one of those Abbadont "accomplish anything" campaigns before the "You haven't even seen my ultimate form yet" moments where he gets to Terra, tries to suck the Emperors soul into the Chaos Pokeball the gods gifted him but just as he is about to do so Cypher jumps out of nowhere and plunges the sword he is carrying into the Emperor. This kills the Emperor and releases him from the Golden Throne prison he has been stuck to. Emperor explodes like Slaanesh but the psychic scream only banishes all daemons and chaos taint. Magnus who was standing behind Abbadont is purged of chaotic corruption and abruptly kills Abbadont. Then the story continues pretty much like If the Emperor had a Text to Speach device, Emperor is weak so has to spend 1000 years on the throne talking to Magnus. Emperor is not happy with the state of the Imperium so he creates 10 new Primarchs and sets out to purge the galaxy on a new Great Crusade. Since religion is rampant and a source of corruption he starts purging every planet he comes across, this displeases the old loyal primarchs as he is also purging their home systems and a 3 way civil war starts between Chaos vs Old Imperium vs Emprah and his new Imperium.
There, no need to thank me, that's how the campaign will end
Mymearan wrote: Wasn't that exactly what the earlier leak said? Well that confirms it!
The earlier leak was what I PMed people wanting to know this part and it made its away around the internetz like I assumed it would.
I would have written a better post than a casual PM to a bud
Those are reasonable assumptions, but without a source I see no reason to put much stock in it. I think we'll see some of those things come to pass, and BoLS will feel vindicated, but honestly they're just educated guesses that anyone could jump to.
The literal biological children that the Emperor supposedly sired. They're supposed to have amazing superpowers and imortality. Plus I imagine they'd be a huge secret.
Well as stated previously - there is apparently a picture of a Sister of Silence opposite the fluff piece?
The Sensei were always loners and often hunted by the Imperium, very few knew of their heritage or would believe it - GW could change the fluff however I don't see it fitting when the SOS already have new models which need to be inserted into 40k.
The literal biological children that the Emperor supposedly sired. They're supposed to have amazing superpowers and imortality. Plus I imagine they'd be a huge secret.
Well as stated previously - there is apparently a picture of a Sister of Silence opposite the fluff piece?
The Sensei were always loners and often hunted by the Imperium, very few knew of their heritage or would believe it - GW could change the fluff however I don't see it fitting when the SOS already have new models which need to be inserted into 40k.
Makes sense, but really I just can't picture the the SOS being all that powerful. Sure they're nulls and all but so are Celexus Assassins and they aren't going round unmaking gods.
The literal biological children that the Emperor supposedly sired. They're supposed to have amazing superpowers and imortality. Plus I imagine they'd be a huge secret.
Well as stated previously - there is apparently a picture of a Sister of Silence opposite the fluff piece?
The Sensei were always loners and often hunted by the Imperium, very few knew of their heritage or would believe it - GW could change the fluff however I don't see it fitting when the SOS already have new models which need to be inserted into 40k.
Makes sense, but really I just can't picture the the SOS being all that powerful. Sure they're nulls and all but so are Celexus Assassins and they aren't going round unmaking gods.
I have not read it but the Beast series had them as extremely powerful weapons.
The leak states the high lords sent their parchment "into the depths of the imperial palace" Lexicanum states, in the very first line of the article on the Sisters of Silence, that they are "Operating from the Somnus Citadel on Luna". The 40k wiki confirms this.
I'm hardly a 40k scholar but if this is correct either the depths of the imperial palace stretch all the way to the moon or they are talking about someone else.
Well, TBArises series, sorry, SPOILER in M32 has them come back into play and into the Imp Palace w/da Big E Himself. So I wouldn't write it off, entirely.
streetsamurai wrote: I heard numerous persons talking an inquisitor retinue plastic kit. Is that a rumour or wishlisting ?
That would be me... and yes, it is wishlisting... and something that GW needs to do.
send them an email, ask to forward to the design studio or "whoever is the decision maker for this topic." Seriously, they've been getting more feedback they actually see and thus can factor in.
Zhrukal wrote: The leak states the high lords sent their parchment "into the depths of the imperial palace" Lexicanum states, in the very first line of the article on the Sisters of Silence, that they are "Operating from the Somnus Citadel on Luna". The 40k wiki confirms this.
I'm hardly a 40k scholar but if this is correct either the depths of the imperial palace stretch all the way to the moon or they are talking about someone else.
That paragraphs segues into SoS splash art according to atia so........
The literal biological children that the Emperor supposedly sired. They're supposed to have amazing superpowers and imortality. Plus I imagine they'd be a huge secret.
As far as i remember not all descendants of the emperor had special powers or immortality in the old Sensei stories it could skip generations. If the Sensei come back does that also
mean the return to the Starchild arc?
streetsamurai wrote: I heard numerous persons talking an inquisitor retinue plastic kit. Is that a rumour or wishlisting ?
That would be me... and yes, it is wishlisting... and something that GW needs to do.
send them an email, ask to forward to the design studio or "whoever is the decision maker for this topic." Seriously, they've been getting more feedback they actually see and thus can factor in.
That's great they're getting feedback, but we're talking about like 2 year lead times on getting minatures from concept to store shelf. I would hope for a range that is all metal and finecast, and with GW's policy of not releasing rules that they don't have models for, that they wouldn't already have something coming with this codex, and inquistorial henchmen should be at the top of the list. So basically, this shouldn't be something we should have to request now, it should be something they have ready to come out now.
I don't think it's the sisters of silence, as others have said they're warriros and they're nulls but not exactly 'unmake gods' types.
No, I think the message went to...
Spoiler:
The Reasonable Games Writers - spoken of in whispers and legends, the Reasonable Game Writers are a brotherhood of creators who think Guardsmen and Cultists and Ork Boyz are more interesting than huge battle mechs fighting literal deities. They write both fluff and crunch that moves the focus from Godzilla vs Giagantor back to the foot soldiers in the mud. With a single stroke of a pen "Magnus may only be used in games of 5000 points or more" they unmade Magnus the Red and so many other abusive figures.
And that Chick on a Dung Beetle, what's up with that?
Kid_Kyoto wrote: I don't think it's the sisters of silence, as others have said they're warriros and they're nulls but not exactly 'unmake gods' types.
No, I think the message went to...
Spoiler:
The Reasonable Games Writers - spoken of in whispers and legends, the Reasonable Game Writers are a brotherhood of creators who think Guardsmen and Cultists and Ork Boyz are more interesting than huge battle mechs fighting literal deities. They write both fluff and crunch that moves the focus from Godzilla vs Giagantor back to the foot soldiers in the mud. With a single stroke of a pen "Magnus may only be used in games of 5000 points or more" they unmade Magnus the Red and so many other abusive figures.
And that Chick on a Dung Beetle, what's up with that?
Kid_Kyoto wrote: I don't think it's the sisters of silence, as others have said they're warriros and they're nulls but not exactly 'unmake gods' types.
No, I think the message went to...
Spoiler:
The Reasonable Games Writers - spoken of in whispers and legends, the Reasonable Game Writers are a brotherhood of creators who think Guardsmen and Cultists and Ork Boyz are more interesting than huge battle mechs fighting literal deities. They write both fluff and crunch that moves the focus from Godzilla vs Giagantor back to the foot soldiers in the mud. With a single stroke of a pen "Magnus may only be used in games of 5000 points or more" they unmade Magnus the Red and so many other abusive figures.
And that Chick on a Dung Beetle, what's up with that?
But I like Godzilla vs. Giagantor...foot soldiers are boring.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: I don't think it's the sisters of silence, as others have said they're warriros and they're nulls but not exactly 'unmake gods' types.
No, I think the message went to...
Spoiler:
The Reasonable Games Writers - spoken of in whispers and legends, the Reasonable Game Writers are a brotherhood of creators who think Guardsmen and Cultists and Ork Boyz are more interesting than huge battle mechs fighting literal deities. They write both fluff and crunch that moves the focus from Godzilla vs Giagantor back to the foot soldiers in the mud. With a single stroke of a pen "Magnus may only be used in games of 5000 points or more" they unmade Magnus the Red and so many other abusive figures.
And that Chick on a Dung Beetle, what's up with that?
Kid_Kyoto wrote: I don't think it's the sisters of silence, as others have said they're warriros and they're nulls but not exactly 'unmake gods' types.
No, I think the message went to...
Spoiler:
The Reasonable Games Writers - spoken of in whispers and legends, the Reasonable Game Writers are a brotherhood of creators who think Guardsmen and Cultists and Ork Boyz are more interesting than huge battle mechs fighting literal deities. They write both fluff and crunch that moves the focus from Godzilla vs Giagantor back to the foot soldiers in the mud. With a single stroke of a pen "Magnus may only be used in games of 5000 points or more" they unmade Magnus the Red and so many other abusive figures.
And that Chick on a Dung Beetle, what's up with that?
Kid_Kyoto wrote: I don't think it's the sisters of silence, as others have said they're warriros and they're nulls but not exactly 'unmake gods' types.
No, I think the message went to...
Spoiler:
The Reasonable Games Writers - spoken of in whispers and legends, the Reasonable Game Writers are a brotherhood of creators who think Guardsmen and Cultists and Ork Boyz are more interesting than huge battle mechs fighting literal deities. They write both fluff and crunch that moves the focus from Godzilla vs Giagantor back to the foot soldiers in the mud. With a single stroke of a pen "Magnus may only be used in games of 5000 points or more" they unmade Magnus the Red and so many other abusive figures.
And that Chick on a Dung Beetle, what's up with that?
But I like Godzilla vs. Giagantor...foot soldiers are boring.
Zhrukal wrote: The leak states the high lords sent their parchment "into the depths of the imperial palace" Lexicanum states, in the very first line of the article on the Sisters of Silence, that they are "Operating from the Somnus Citadel on Luna". The 40k wiki confirms this.
I'm hardly a 40k scholar but if this is correct either the depths of the imperial palace stretch all the way to the moon or they are talking about someone else.
The Somnus Citadel was the bastion of the Sisters of Silence during the Heresy/Great Crusade.
After the Emperor was ensconced on the Golden Throne, there was something that caused a schism between the Sisters of Silence and the Imperium. They left the Imperium, retreating to outposts they had outside the Imperium.
That's where we find them during "The Beast Arises" series. Scattered outposts, under siege by Orks garrisoned by handfuls of Sisters of Silence because the Primorks have recognized the threat that the Sisters pose to them.
Post-"Beast Arises"? There hasn't really been much written/published about them beyond that. It's always been assumed that they became part of the Inquisition, serving as guards onboard of the Black Ships of the Inquisition.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: I don't think it's the sisters of silence, as others have said they're warriros and they're nulls but not exactly 'unmake gods' types.
No, I think the message went to...
Spoiler:
The Reasonable Games Writers - spoken of in whispers and legends, the Reasonable Game Writers are a brotherhood of creators who think Guardsmen and Cultists and Ork Boyz are more interesting than huge battle mechs fighting literal deities. They write both fluff and crunch that moves the focus from Godzilla vs Giagantor back to the foot soldiers in the mud. With a single stroke of a pen "Magnus may only be used in games of 5000 points or more" they unmade Magnus the Red and so many other abusive figures.
And that Chick on a Dung Beetle, what's up with that?
El Torro wrote: I thought the Imperial Agents Codex was supposed to be up for preorder today, or maybe I imagined it. Either way it's not there. Maybe next Saturday
Traitor Legions goes up today. Imperial Agents goes up next Saturday.
Be patient. The people who have the book now are also under an agreement of some type with GWnot to publish any information before the preorders go live.
Got some bad news, some random guy on 4chan said that the models in Imperial Agents are the old metal models. IF this is true then that's really bad news as it could mean we won't be seeing sisters for a LOOOONG time :(
I'm a Death Guard player in 30K and probably will be in 
.
Even if they end up being correct at release time. There are no new models 
.im now, with WoM new 
