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 necrontyrOG wrote:GW just announced these will be available on the web store indefinitely. No worries about getting your Canoness.
Confirmed on the Warhammer Facebook page.
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Sweet no rush then though i will be wanting them + some new cast inquisitors 
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
 Anpu-adom wrote: necrontyrOG wrote:GW just announced these will be available on the web store indefinitely. No worries about getting your Canoness.
Confirmed on the Warhammer Facebook page.
Can someone do me a solid and post the link? i'm being blind and can't find it.
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Post by: Undead_Love-Machine
Does anyone know if the Canoness will be produced in "proper" resin or that dirty, cheap Finecast abomination?
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Post by: Mr Morden
necrontyrOG wrote:GW just announced these will be available on the web store indefinitely. No worries about getting your Canoness.
Ahh thats a relief 
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:Does anyone know if the Canoness will be produced in "proper" resin or that dirty, cheap Finecast abomination?
I'm hoping metal, myself.
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Post by: Ghaz
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Anpu-adom wrote: necrontyrOG wrote:GW just announced these will be available on the web store indefinitely. No worries about getting your Canoness.
Confirmed on the Warhammer Facebook page.
Can someone do me a solid and post the link? i'm being blind and can't find it.
Its on their Facebook page...
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Post by: Undead_Love-Machine
Metal would be fine, but I'm sure I heard that it was going to be in resin?
Anything but Finecast, please god!
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
The picture states "resin", but not "finecast". Hm. Maybe I'll swing by the GW store to take a look.
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Post by: Thommy H
They stopped advertising their resin as Finecast a while ago. Pretty sure it's the same stuff though.
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Post by: Ghaz
 JohnHwangDD wrote:The picture states "resin", but not "finecast". Hm. Maybe I'll swing by the GW store to take a look.
Didn't GW stop using the 'Finecast' name a while back, even with miniatures that were originally produced in the material?
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Post by: Captain Joystick
I'm pretty sure GW just abandoned the 'finecast' branding. They refer to Abbadon and their other formerly metal models as 'resin' now.
Ultimately, whatever it's named, if you don't believe GW has fixed their resin process then you should be wary of this miniature.
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Post by: Mymearan
Even if it's Finecast, newer GW resin is miles ahead of early stuff. Mostly flawless casts.
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Post by: Anpu-adom
 Mymearan wrote:Even if it's Finecast, newer GW resin is miles ahead of early stuff. Mostly flawless casts.
I've recently built a pair of Necron Characters in resin... just a few bubbles in otherwise unnoticeable places. They were easy to fix.
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Post by: commander dante
necrontyrOG wrote:GW just announced these will be available on the web store indefinitely. No worries about getting your Canoness.
People Keeping Track of How many their FLGS Ordered in ( and if they can still get one) Be Like...
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Post by: aka_mythos
While this book has its clear 40k use, I can't help but feel this is aimed at that camp of people who play kill team sized games of Inquisitors fighting each other... inquisition war
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Post by: commander dante
 aka_mythos wrote:While this book has its clear 40k use, I can't help but feel this is aimed at that camp of people who play kill team sized games of Inquisitors fighting each other... inquisition war
Puritans V Radicalists Boxed Game CONFIRMED?!?!
(That would be awesome)
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Post by: NivlacSupreme
Darn. Guess I don't have to camp the store anymore. I'm going to preorder and then go collect mine on the saturday.
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Post by: Inquisitor Kallus
 commander dante wrote: aka_mythos wrote:While this book has its clear 40k use, I can't help but feel this is aimed at that camp of people who play kill team sized games of Inquisitors fighting each other... inquisition war
Puritans V Radicalists Boxed Game CONFIRMED?!?!
(That would be awesome)
Been saying it for years. You could have two or even three groups in a set with variant weapons and themes. Puritan and radical could be used in Imperial armies, radicals could also be used with Chaos. Maybe a set of mutants (that could also be used in LATD and a piece of scenery or two qwith 6 or so missions and a good range of hobby stuff, ideas, conversions and fluff could make it a huge seller, especially if the kits allowed 'Eisenhorn famous' characters to be built
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Post by: Battlesong
 Mr Morden wrote: Crazyterran wrote:It's not a thread about an imperial release without 20 pages of gak posting from Sisters players.
And your contribution by this post to the thread is - apart from just whining? You do realsie this is a thread about the new Imperial Agents Codex which includes Sisters and the flagship model is - oh year a Sister of Battle. Pardon everyone for discussing the topic rather than just the lastest version of a slightly differnt coloured Marine.
Anyway back to the actual thread topic.
Some of the OOP models look very tempting as missing a couple of them. The Formations will be important - espeically for all those who have thus far been ignored.
Not to mention, until the leaks start to hit Firday night/Saturday morning, there was nothing else to discuss until these M2O minis were posted. For someone who just got into the game less than 10 years ago, I love the idea of M2O and I think I'm getting a couple of these.
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Post by: BloodGrin
commander dante wrote: necrontyrOG wrote:GW just announced these will be available on the web store indefinitely. No worries about getting your Canoness.
People Keeping Track of How many their FLGS Ordered in ( and if they can still get one) Be Like...
Doesn't mean that it will not be prone to out of stock constantly.
I for one am quite glad that I am locked in.
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Post by: GoatboyBeta
necrontyrOG wrote:GW just announced these will be available on the web store indefinitely. No worries about getting your Canoness.
Good news for those who want one then. Might this be a change of direction with there "special" release models? While I'm not bothered about this one I would have liked to have gotten the HH Preator model.
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Post by: oldzoggy
I would settle for any non puritan centric book Automatically Appended Next Post: NivlacSupreme wrote:Darn. Guess I don't have to camp the store anymore. I'm going to preorder and then go collect mine on the saturday.
This : )
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Post by: NivlacSupreme
Crossbow inquisitor or assassin? hmmm....
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Does anybody have a picture of that assassin?
I want to see him up close.
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Post by: pretre
NivlacSupreme wrote:Crossbow inquisitor or assassin? hmmm....
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Does anybody have a picture of that assassin?
I want to see him up close.
'Imperial Assassin Rogue Trader' will get tons of hits.
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Post by: bubber
I have him. A lovely mini to paint as isn't cluttered with loads of detail.
This points to him being playable with maybe the return of deathcult assassins too?
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Also note the detail on the back of his hand - GW have used this on both the Eversor & most of the Eldar range. Just a little factoid that some may find interesting (or maybe not)
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Post by: casvalremdeikun
Well, looks like I will be getting this Canoness after all. If nothing than to have her.
I just hope she doesn't preclude GW from making a plastic Canoness.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I have two of that Assassin. Got them through the old Skullz program.
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Post by: Thommy H
 bubber wrote:I have him. A lovely mini to paint as isn't cluttered with loads of detail.
This points to him being playable with maybe the return of deathcult assassins too?
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Also note the detail on the back of his hand - GW have used this on both the Eversor & most of the Eldar range. Just a little factoid that some may find interesting (or maybe not)
Death Cult Assassins have been playable since they were introduced. They're part of Inquisitorial Henchmen Warbands and Ecclasiarchy Battle Conclaves. I strongly suspect they'll therefore be in Codex: Imperial Agents.
And as you point out, he shares features with the later Eversor models - they were probably modelled on him originally. So use him as that.
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Post by: insaniak
 H.B.M.C. wrote:I have two of that Assassin. Got them through the old Skullz program.
Me too, although I only got the one. Still one of my favourite GW models ever.
I'm a little divided on the Canoness... It's a reasonable translation of the artwork, within the bounds of GW's miniature style, but just doesn't look as good as the original art. And that's even with not being a particularly big fan of Blanche's work, for the most part... that piece was one of the few that worked, for me, and a miniature sculpted in matching proportions would have been fantastic. Wouldn't have worked with the rest of the range, but would have been a lovely miniature
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
While the intent of finally realizing the cover image Canonness is nice, and the effort is fair enough, $25 USD for a single (Finecast?) resin mini seems to be more than a bit excessive when the regular one is $15 and includes option bitz. Maybe I'll order that one instead. Hm.
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Post by: Rinkydink
Is it just the UK GW site, or have all the Battle sisters squads (x10) and battle sister (x3) in metal just become no longer available? Not out of stock; - no longer available..
I'm not a sisters follower, so don't often check, but thought about dabbling with a squad and sister superior with the new Imperial agents release. (Although I admit, the price for a metal squad of 10 caused an involuntary clenching...)
Be interesting to see if it's across all the GW websites.
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Post by: Yodhrin
I see the inexplicable anti-JB Brigade are out in force.
For my money it's a fine translation of an iconic bit of art, art that stands miles above the dull, samey DeviantArt digital-speedpaint rubbish GW pump out these days.
And good on GW for keeping it available, any move that cuts the legs out from under scalper-scum is welcome.
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Post by: Loopstah
Interesting. Maybe they stopped casting metal Sisters because they have replacements on the way in plastic?
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Post by: Dryaktylus
bubber wrote:I have him. A lovely mini to paint as isn't cluttered with loads of detail.
This points to him being playable with maybe the return of deathcult assassins too?
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Also note the detail on the back of his hand - GW have used this on both the Eversor & most of the Eldar range. Just a little factoid that some may find interesting (or maybe not)
The model is the Proto-Eversor so you could just play him as one.
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Post by: bubber
 Dryaktylus wrote: bubber wrote:I have him. A lovely mini to paint as isn't cluttered with loads of detail.
This points to him being playable with maybe the return of deathcult assassins too?
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Also note the detail on the back of his hand - GW have used this on both the Eversor & most of the Eldar range. Just a little factoid that some may find interesting (or maybe not)
The model is the Proto-Eversor so you could just play him as one.
I have 3 Eversors already! Was hoping for a new house...
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
 Rinkydink wrote:Is it just the UK GW site, or have all the Battle sisters squads (x10) and battle sister (x3) in metal just become no longer available? Not out of stock; - no longer available..
USA can add to cart (at an eye-watering $79/squad), so I think you should blame Brexit or something.
'Murica! 
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Post by: commander dante
JohnHwangDD wrote: Rinkydink wrote:Is it just the UK GW site, or have all the Battle sisters squads (x10) and battle sister (x3) in metal just become no longer available? Not out of stock; - no longer available..
USA can add to cart (at an eye-watering $79/squad), so I think you should blame Brexit or something.
'Murica!
>Implying that Brexit Affects a Company (Based IN THE UK) selling its leftover Product (I.E no Extra material cost etc) IN THE UK 
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
commander dante wrote: JohnHwangDD wrote: Rinkydink wrote:Is it just the UK GW site, or have all the Battle sisters squads (x10) and battle sister (x3) in metal just become no longer available? Not out of stock; - no longer available..
USA can add to cart (at an eye-watering $79/squad), so I think you should blame Brexit or something.
'Murica!
>Implying that Brexit Affects a Company (Based IN THE UK) selling its leftover Product (I.E no Extra material cost etc) IN THE UK
Failing to comprehend obvious sarcasm?
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Post by: Dryaktylus
bubber wrote: Dryaktylus wrote: bubber wrote:I have him. A lovely mini to paint as isn't cluttered with loads of detail.
This points to him being playable with maybe the return of deathcult assassins too?
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Also note the detail on the back of his hand - GW have used this on both the Eversor & most of the Eldar range. Just a little factoid that some may find interesting (or maybe not)
The model is the Proto-Eversor so you could just play him as one.
I have 3 Eversors already! Was hoping for a new house...
I have even more, though I converted them for my Adeptus Mechanicus some years ago. I guess they would make good Sicarians now. You can't have too much Eversors. (they're finished and painted now but I don't have pics).
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
 insaniak wrote:I'm a little divided on the Canoness... It's a reasonable translation of the artwork, within the bounds of GW's miniature style, but just doesn't look as good as the original art. And that's even with not being a particularly big fan of Blanche's work, for the most part... that piece was one of the few that worked, for me, and a miniature sculpted in matching proportions would have been fantastic. Wouldn't have worked with the rest of the range, but would have been a lovely miniature
The translation of the 2nd Ed box art Blood Angel was far more successful IMO. Wish that wasn't in resin.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I hope not. I want this to just be an "Allies Codex", where you can take a few units from different armies and that'll be it.
Of course there will be formations. Based upon what the blurb on the community website, we will probably see an Inquisitor + Sisters/GKs/DW Squad formation.
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Post by: ERJAK
H.B.M.C. wrote:I hope not. I want this to just be an "Allies Codex", where you can take a few units from different armies and that'll be it.
Of course there will be formations. Based upon what the blurb on the community website, we will probably see an Inquisitor + Sisters/ GKs/ DW Squad formation.
If that's the direction they go then they'd almost definitely have an over arching 'inquisition' decurion to mix and match the formations into so you coukd run the book reasonably well by itself.
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Post by: Lockark
I keep really hoping the "tempest scion" storm trooper army list is getting a reprint in this book since it's currently digital only.
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Post by: Thommy H
 Lockark wrote:I keep really hoping the "tempest scion" storm trooper army list is getting a reprint in this book since it's currently digital only.
No it isn't.
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Post by: Mr Morden
Anpu-adom wrote:Hopefully, she won't have crazy stats like the 30th Anniversary Space Marine. A Strength 5, AP2, Rapid Fire and Instant Death combi-weapon is a bit much.
On the other hand if you want to generate as much interest in Sisters as possible that's exactly what they should do - keep up with the Power dexes and models will sell to more people.
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Post by: nekooni
I'd really like an Inquisition detachment with 1+ Command of Inquisitors and 0-1 Cores of either Sisters, Grey Knights or Deathwatch and 0-n Auxiliaries of the other "Imperial Agents".
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Post by: oldzoggy
nekooni wrote:I'd really like an Inquisition detachment with 1+ Command of Inquisitors and 0-1 Cores of either Sisters, Grey Knights or Deathwatch and 0-n Auxiliaries of the other "Imperial Agents".
I would not like this at all...
I would like Core to be henchmen, aux can be the those space nuns and space knights
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Post by: Anpu-adom
I suspect that you will be disappointed, Oldzoggy.
The Militant arms will be the core of the detachment. Henchmen will probably be required in some form, but the Sisters, Grey Knights, and Deathwatch will serve as the troops.
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Post by: nekooni
 oldzoggy wrote:nekooni wrote:I'd really like an Inquisition detachment with 1+ Command of Inquisitors and 0-1 Cores of either Sisters, Grey Knights or Deathwatch and 0-n Auxiliaries of the other "Imperial Agents".
I would not like this at all...
I would like Core to be henchmen, aux can be the those space nuns and space knights
The Command choice would be required (Inquisitor + optional henchmen), the Core optional but limited to 1 and the Aux would be optional but not limited. That way you'd be able to do basically anything as long as you stick with one Ordo per detachment. if you wanna bring Sisters AND Deathwatch, you'll simply have to bring both an Ordo Hereticus and an Ordo Xenos Inquisitor as their Command choices.
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Post by: streamdragon
nekooni wrote: oldzoggy wrote:nekooni wrote:I'd really like an Inquisition detachment with 1+ Command of Inquisitors and 0-1 Cores of either Sisters, Grey Knights or Deathwatch and 0-n Auxiliaries of the other "Imperial Agents".
I would not like this at all...
I would like Core to be henchmen, aux can be the those space nuns and space knights
The Command choice would be required (Inquisitor + optional henchmen), the Core optional but limited to 1 and the Aux would be optional but not limited. That way you'd be able to do basically anything as long as you stick with one Ordo per detachment. if you wanna bring Sisters AND Deathwatch, you'll simply have to bring both an Ordo Hereticus and an Ordo Xenos Inquisitor as their Command choices.
But what if I don't want an Inquisitor leading my Sisters of Battle?
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Post by: Melissia
Then use Codex: Adepta Sororitas. Imperial Agents is being billed as a supplement, not a replacement for any codex. That said, I'm fairly certain you'll be able to use this to have GK, SoB, or DW units wtihout having an inquisitor.
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Post by: General Kroll
 streamdragon wrote:nekooni wrote: oldzoggy wrote:nekooni wrote:I'd really like an Inquisition detachment with 1+ Command of Inquisitors and 0-1 Cores of either Sisters, Grey Knights or Deathwatch and 0-n Auxiliaries of the other "Imperial Agents".
I would not like this at all...
I would like Core to be henchmen, aux can be the those space nuns and space knights
The Command choice would be required (Inquisitor + optional henchmen), the Core optional but limited to 1 and the Aux would be optional but not limited. That way you'd be able to do basically anything as long as you stick with one Ordo per detachment. if you wanna bring Sisters AND Deathwatch, you'll simply have to bring both an Ordo Hereticus and an Ordo Xenos Inquisitor as their Command choices.
But what if I don't want an Inquisitor leading my Sisters of Battle?
Then use the Adepta Sororitas codex?
Has anyone heard, anything about the two Apocrypha books that are coming out? I loved the Astartes one that came out in April, so I've high hopes for Imperialis and Chaotica.
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Post by: nekooni
use the Sisters of Battle Codex?
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Post by: Davor
Uh what was this we are suppose to be talking about Imperial Agents? Isn't what this codex is suppose to be like I was told?
Want to play Sisters of Battle without Inquisitors then use the Sisters of Battle codex. I don't think this will replace it. Or will it and Streamdragon has a good point then.
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Post by: Requizen
VeteranNoob, we gonna get some of those leaks today or tomorrow? It was pretty nice getting them from you for Traitor Legions!
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Post by: NivlacSupreme
I'd like some leaks. PM me and I can edit this comment.
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Post by: EnTyme
Don't expect leaks before pre-order goes up on Saturday. GW has apparently been cracking down on leaks, but the NDA supposedly relaxes when the items go up for pre-order.
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Post by: Kanluwen
He's been posting stuff on Fridays; aka when preorders go live in New Zealand. 
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Post by: BloodGrin
Requizen wrote:VeteranNoob, we gonna get some of those leaks today or tomorrow? It was pretty nice getting them from you for Traitor Legions!
Friday after they go up on the New Zealand GW site is when he will usually start his review.
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Post by: streamdragon
lots of people wrote:Then use Codex: Adepta Sororitas.
Going to be honest, I completely forgot that was a thing since there's no physical book. Part of why I don't like digital only.
Still, unless it has been updated recently I don't think the current SoB codex has its own formation/detachment thing?
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Post by: BrookM
It comes with an Apocalypse formation IIRC, that's how old it is.
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Post by: NivlacSupreme
What if they replaced the various units in the Sisters codex with one unit that can take special weapons, heavy weapons, jump packs and other stuff?
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Post by: BrookM
It's easier and less messy to use separate unit entries, otherwise it may become a vague minefield of sentences and wording that can be interpreted in many ways.
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Post by: NivlacSupreme
Welcome to the 41st millennium sucker, I hope you like confusion.
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I just checked and Battle Sisters squads are no longer available. We're so close to plastics.
They're not just "no longer available" like the traitors of chaos pack, they don't exist anymore.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
 BrookM wrote:It's easier and less messy to use separate unit entries, otherwise it may become a vague minefield of sentences and wording that can be interpreted in many ways.
And we certainly wouldn't want 40K to get too complicated.
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Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl
BrookM wrote:It's easier and less messy to use separate unit entries, otherwise it may become a vague minefield of sentences and wording that can be interpreted in many ways.
I disagree. “Any model from this unit can exchange its bolter for any of the following weapons by paying the appropriate cost :”. Now you can play a BSS with 5 melta 4 heavy flammers, or 2 multi-melta 5 heavy bolters 2 stormbolters.
I agree it's easier to keep Seraphim as a separate unit though.
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Post by: ERJAK
 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: BrookM wrote:It's easier and less messy to use separate unit entries, otherwise it may become a vague minefield of sentences and wording that can be interpreted in many ways.
I disagree. “Any model from this unit can exchange its bolter for any of the following weapons by paying the appropriate cost :”. Now you can play a BSS with 5 melta 4 heavy flammers, or 2 multi-melta 5 heavy bolters 2 stormbolters.
I agree it's easier to keep Seraphim as a separate unit though.
How would AoFs work then? Cause dominions are the best thing sisters have, don't kill them.
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Post by: warboss
Cool. I'm not a huge fan of Blanche's work (I'm more often a critic in general but also of that particular cover art) but I'm glad that they're occasionally paying homage to some of the older art with resin figs. I figured the 2nd edition Blood Angel was a one off idea but it looks like he has a friend now.
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Post by: Chikout
NivlacSupreme wrote:Welcome to the 41st millennium sucker, I hope you like confusion.
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I just checked and Battle Sisters squads are no longer available. We're so close to plastics.
They're not just "no longer available" like the traitors of chaos pack, they don't exist anymore.
They are gone worldwide. There is absolutely no reason to do this unless plastic sisters are coming. The new book will definitely create a little spike in player interest so they would miss out on sales.
I am now 100% convinced that plastic sisters are coming SOON.
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Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl
Each turn, each BSS can try to pass one AoF from this list, by taking a Ld test. More flexibility. Also you can pay 1 ppm to get scout.
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Post by: insaniak
Chikout wrote:
They are gone worldwide. There is absolutely no reason to do this unless plastic sisters are coming. The new book will definitely create a little spike in player interest so they would miss out on sales.
I am now 100% convinced that plastic sisters are coming SOON.
Before you get too excited, GW also cancel products and reissue as a new release with a new product code when they update the box that the miniatures come in...
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
insaniak wrote:Before you get too excited, GW also cancel products and reissue as a new release with a new product code when they update the box that the miniatures come in...
Sisters? Boxed release?
That'll be different.
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Post by: Wereaardvark
So I just checked myself and it's interesting it's ONLY the sister squad missing which may be the only squad in this book I truly think we're getting a plastic set... Especially as the Warhammer 40k Facebook page made an off hand comment about a model preview during the developer interview for Warhammer live week
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Post by: ERJAK
H.B.M.C. wrote: insaniak wrote:Before you get too excited, GW also cancel products and reissue as a new release with a new product code when they update the box that the miniatures come in...
Sisters? Boxed release?
That'll be different.
Silly insaniak, don't you know a rebox for SoB is the same level of shakeup as a new model line for other factions.
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Wereaardvark wrote:So I just checked myself and it's interesting it's ONLY the sister squad missing which may be the only squad in this book I truly think we're getting a plastic set... Especially as the Warhammer 40k Facebook page made an off hand comment about a model preview during the developer interview for Warhammer live week
As a Sisters collector,I can only imagine this is finally gone because it was a mix of blisters that didn't make sense and also cost more than buying 10 battle sisters. I know I personally never bought it and have close to the 100 infantry mark of sisters. I can't imagine they were selling many of this premade unit.
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Post by: Just Tony
pretre wrote:Limited runs
Don't you mean Limited Nuns?
Commisar wrote:I love this model, and I only hope I can get one.
Without wanting to start a fight, all the peaple who dislike the model... what do you want sisters of battle to look like, if not like that iconic John Blanche image. To me... that picture *is* the touchstone for Sisters of Battle....
Not wanting to upset anyone, but given that John Blanche is the art director for the entire setting... if you don't like his style...dosent that spoil your enjoyment of the game?
No, because as terrible as Blanche's artwork really is, he has an eye for design. He just needs to design the looks of stuff (Well, some of it. His 7th Ed. VC and Beastmen stuff was worse than what my 3 year old draws) in the studio, and then the good artists can render art for the books. Kind of like what they needed to do with Brent Blevins or Jack Kirby.
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Post by: dracpanzer
afk1sec wrote:As a Sisters collector,I can only imagine this is finally gone because it was a mix of blisters that didn't make sense and also cost more than buying 10 battle sisters. I know I personally never bought it and have close to the 100 infantry mark of sisters. I can't imagine they were selling many of this premade unit.
+1
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Post by: insaniak
 Just Tony wrote:
No, because as terrible as Blanche's artwork really is, he has an eye for design. He just needs to design the looks of stuff (Well, some of it. His 7th Ed. VC and Beastmen stuff was worse than what my 3 year old draws) in the studio, and then the good artists can render art for the books. Kind of like what they needed to do with Brent Blevins or Jack Kirby.
For what it's worth, there's a difference between whether or not you like someone's style, and whether or not they're a 'good' artist.
By just about any metric, John Blanche is an outstanding artist... and I'll quite happily acknowledge that while heartily disliking most of his work.
Having said that, I seem to be liking more of his stuff as I get older... Weird.
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Post by: JimOnMars
insaniak wrote: Just Tony wrote:
No, because as terrible as Blanche's artwork really is, he has an eye for design. He just needs to design the looks of stuff (Well, some of it. His 7th Ed. VC and Beastmen stuff was worse than what my 3 year old draws) in the studio, and then the good artists can render art for the books. Kind of like what they needed to do with Brent Blevins or Jack Kirby.
For what it's worth, there's a difference between whether or not you like someone's style, and whether or not they're a 'good' artist.
By just about any metric, John Blanche is an outstanding artist... and I'll quite happily acknowledge that while heartily disliking most of his work.
Having said that, I seem to be liking more of his stuff as I get older... Weird.
Is it just me, or did he seem to have a fetish for yellow? For whatever reason, the yellow backgrounds on his art always seems to wash out the foreground...probably just me but it just takes away from the image somehow.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
insaniak wrote:Chikout wrote:
They are gone worldwide. There is absolutely no reason to do this unless plastic sisters are coming. The new book will definitely create a little spike in player interest so they would miss out on sales.
I am now 100% convinced that plastic sisters are coming SOON.
Before you get too excited, GW also cancel products and reissue as a new release with a new product code when they update the box that the miniatures come in...
So maybe it's squads of 5 Sisters, like how Eldar Aspects got repacked?
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Post by: NivlacSupreme
I'd buy 5 for 20. If actually turned out cheaper before if you bought 3 packs of 3 sisters and a superior.
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 dracpanzer wrote:afk1sec wrote:As a Sisters collector,I can only imagine this is finally gone because it was a mix of blisters that didn't make sense and also cost more than buying 10 battle sisters. I know I personally never bought it and have close to the 100 infantry mark of sisters. I can't imagine they were selling many of this premade unit.
+1
Except the 3 girl blister is gonzo too.
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Post by: ShaneMarsh
 BloodGrin wrote:Requizen wrote:VeteranNoob, we gonna get some of those leaks today or tomorrow? It was pretty nice getting them from you for Traitor Legions!
Friday after they go up on the New Zealand GW site is when he will usually start his review.
They approacheth!
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Post by: buddha
So what time(US) do the New Zealand pre-order go up so we can have all the tasty leaks?
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Post by: ShaneMarsh
7 AM their time, I do believe, so 10 AM Pacific?
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Post by: Chikout
It is 10am local time though it sometimes goes up a little early. Products usually go up at 10am in each country.
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Post by: Anpu-adom
I expect Sisters to get the Eldar Aspect and Necron Warriors got treated. Everything is going the way of being packaged as the minimum unit. Necron Warriors went from 5 being the minimum unit size to 10 (ok, there are 12 in the box... so bad example). Eldar Guardians went from boxes of 10 down to boxes of 5 to match their entry.
Either BSS will stay at 10 per box and go UP to 10 per unit OR they will stay at 5 per unit and come in sets of 5. Mostly, this is a plastic box philosophy, but I don't see why GW wouldn't apply it to new boxes of resin or metal either.
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Post by: casvalremdeikun
Didn't the hint at the end of the Magnus the Red reveal explicitly state PLASTIC Sisters of Battle? My understanding from a friend who works for GW is that the molds for plastic kits are laser cut and cost tens of thousands of dollars for each plate. Why would they go through the trouble of making a new, very expensive, mold if they weren't going to use it?
Honestly, my bet is that the plastic kit will be set up like the Tactical Squad kit. Bolters for everyone with one of each Special weapon. Probably parts to make one Sister a Sister Superior.
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Post by: Vorian
Guardians are not in boxes of 5 though?
I imagine Sisters plastics will be 10 to a box
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Post by: NivlacSupreme
Hopefully 10 helmets. Do we know what price the canoness will be in GBP?
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Post by: Anpu-adom
There may be basic sisters in boxes of 10... if they do that, the base squad size will go up to 10. If that is the case, they will have a 5 person veteran sister box with more special and heavy weapons,
Or... Sisters will have the Grey Knight treatment. One 5 person box that makes almost everything. That would need to include 2 or each special and heavy weapon.
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Post by: alextroy
Grey Knights are an aberration. Every other recently released plastic Troops box has been 10 man units. I'm sure a plastic SOB box will be 10 also.
Now a rebox of metal models could be anything.
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Post by: Davor
Chikout wrote:
It is 10am local time though it sometimes goes up a little early. Products usually go up at 10am in each country.
Well that would explain why we in North America in the EST get it at 1pm because it's 10am on the west coast then. Finally got my explanation. Thanks for that.
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Post by: reds8n
https://www.facebook.com/GWWarhammerWorld/photos/a.1396826910336785.1073742041.212614545424700/1396826953670114/?type=3&theater
The Pilgrym was a seven month collaborative project undertaken by friends from around the world. These beautifully detailed miniatures and 4×4 foot gaming board all embrace John Blanche's unique painting style, carry the touch of their individual creators, yet also pull into one cohesive display together.
On show: December 3rd – February 26th inclusive — at Games Workshop: Warhammer World.
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Post by: nekooni
 alextroy wrote:Grey Knights are an aberration. Every other recently released plastic Troops box has been 10 man units. I'm sure a plastic SOB box will be 10 also.
Now a rebox of metal models could be anything.
Deathwatch Kill Team boxes come in 5 man size, too.
I'd say they'll come in 5 woman sized boxes with maybe an 2x5 "10 sisters" box. Each box of 5 will have one of each special weapon plus a set of melee weapons, so you'll have to grab 2 boxes to make 2 usable squads. Can't let you get away with just buying one box for an allied detachment ;-)
And I really don't expect them to rerelease metal models.
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Post by: Captain Joystick
I think we're getting way ahead of ourselves here.
Sisters models have dropped off on several occasions, always stirring up new rumours and wishlisting and always reappearing after a week or so, exactly like they were.
As great as a plastic battle sisters box would be (effectively covering more than half of the Sororitas infantry choices in one go) them dropping off the store has historically not represented a pending plastic apocalypse.
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Post by: casvalremdeikun
We already know plastic Sisters of Battle are coming. GW has flat out said so. We just don't know when.
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Post by: Vorian
GW have said they are coming, Atia has confirmed it. They are coming (tinfoil hat conspiracies not withstanding).
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Post by: NivlacSupreme
This isn't like the other times. We have a new canoness coming tomorrow.
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Post by: Anpu-adom
Will we get a plastic box of sisters with the Imperial Agents release? Signs say no.
I really wonder why. It would have been relatively easy to shuffle resources around to make a box of 5 sisters ready for release. I know that releasing this resin cast is different in terms of logistics than releasing a plastic box, but we are talking something that must have been in the planning when Roundtree took over GW. This Cannoness release really feels rushed and out of step... similarly to the new Blood Angel Character released a while ago.
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Post by: EnTyme
It's been a while since I've been this excited for a release, even if I likely won't be buying Imperial Agents (holding out hope for plastic sisters). Can't wait for leaks/reviews this evening!
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Post by: Mr Morden
There have been several statements by GW that there are no other models than the Canoness for this codex release?
Hopefully the Canoness will immediately sell out and have lots of pre-orders - anything to help the case for selling Sisters models.
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Post by: Vorian
Well, on the 10th of October plastic sisters weren't going to be released for "months yet" - it's not much of a surprise they aren't being released with this codex.
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Post by: Anpu-adom
Mr Morden wrote:There have been several statements by GW that there are no other models than the Canoness for this codex release?
There hasn't been anything directly from GW. Some of the rumor sources have said that though. It is a bit of a bitter pill, because so much of the Inquisition needs new models. Grey Knights and Deathwatch look so good... metal and Finecast Sisters and Inquisition units look so old in comparison.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
I'm not sure stores have the shelf space for that.
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Post by: Anpu-adom
 Naughty Blackfang.
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Post by: A Town Called Malus
You would have a point except for your expectation that GW will give any shelf space to sisters
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Post by: the_scotsman
nekooni wrote:
So does that mean they'll be like Legos, where for no reason at all the "girl" boxes have "feminine corners" and all the box art is pink?
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Post by: Regarz
Anpu-adom wrote: Mr Morden wrote:There have been several statements by GW that there are no other models than the Canoness for this codex release?
There hasn't been anything directly from GW. Some of the rumor sources have said that though. It is a bit of a bitter pill, because so much of the Inquisition needs new models. Grey Knights and Deathwatch look so good... metal and Finecast Sisters and Inquisition units look so old in comparison.
I´m sorry, but GW has said that there won´t be any new miniatures with the C: IA, here:
"This book isn’t accompanying a new range of miniature, but we couldn’t let the release of a new book containing so many awesome sub-factions under the Imperial aegis pass without some sort of model to mark the occasion."
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/12/06/adepta-sororitas-canoness-veridyan/
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Post by: Mr Morden
Anpu-adom wrote: Mr Morden wrote:There have been several statements by GW that there are no other models than the Canoness for this codex release?
There hasn't been anything directly from GW. Some of the rumor sources have said that though. It is a bit of a bitter pill, because so much of the Inquisition needs new models. Grey Knights and Deathwatch look so good... metal and Finecast Sisters and Inquisition units look so old in comparison.
This book isn’t accompanying a new range of miniature but we couldn’t let the release of a new book containing so many awesome sub-factions under the Imperial aegis pass without some sort of model to mark the occasion. So, our Studio Team set sculptor Martin Footit the task of creating an iconic miniature to accompany the book – and he didn’t disappoint
Direct from GW (sadly)
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/12/06/adepta-sororitas-canoness-veridyan/
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Post by: General01L
Although GW said that all they said was there would not be a 'new range' of miniatures, something that can be widely interpreted if you wish.
Another thing I would like to mention is, how 'logical' would it be to release a new rulebook that includes formations or possibly the entire SOB codex....BUT there are no miniatures. Most of the tanks? Gone. Normal Sisters? Gone. Most characters/hq's/specials?Gone. Of course anything is possible, but I doubt GW would give us rules for non-existent products. Can you imagine the costumer support? "Yeah I am emailing you because I want to play formation X from the Imperial Agents book, but I cannot find the models on your website." . Or maybe I am just being dumb and it all makes perfect sense.
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Post by: Kanluwen
If we're going to play Super-Analysis: Dakka Edition...
The quote is specific to this book. There will be no new range of miniatures for this book.
As in, this quote is strictly referring to Codex: Imperial Agents. Since the book seems to be similar to the "Angels of Death" book or the Grand Alliance books from AoS. It brings things into a single, unified print medium at a reasonable price rather than people having to buy a bunch of supplement books to get the stuff they want.
The things we know that won't be updated or changed? Those are things tied to physical, print codices(Deathwatch, Grey Knights, Telepathica stuff is in IG, the Enginseer is in IG) or supplements that have been published with updated rules(Assassins).
Codex: Sisters of Battle and Inquisition are both digital books, and I would not be surprised to see them get an update to the eBooks until they get to the release timeframe they want.
Context matters, but this whole thing is kind of a tempest in a teapot.
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Post by: Mr Morden
Codex Imperial Agents = CIA - I had not noticed that - cool thanks Regarz
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Post by: dan2026
Sisters models wouldn't come with this book anyway.
They would come with Codex : Adeptes Sororitas
Which all signs point to January.
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Post by: casvalremdeikun
 dan2026 wrote:Sisters models wouldn't come with this book anyway.
They would come with Codex : Adeptes Sororitas
Which all signs point to January.
Exactly. It would have made more sense for Inquisition to receive models. But the fact Sisters didn't get models with this release does not mean they aren't getting models in the future.
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Post by: dan2026
I mean the new Canoness model is the biggest teaser I have ever seen.
It's perfectly designed to get people's mouths watering for more.
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Post by: EnTyme
Mr Morden wrote:Codex Imperial Agents = CIA - I had not noticed that - cool thanks Regarz
Illuminati confirmed?
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Post by: pretre
Amusing historical note. GW Rumored Plastic SOB in 2001. "CODEX SISTER OF BATTLE: Codex Sisters of Battle will be released in Spring 2002, and is written by Gav Thorpe and Pete Haines. The army is intended to be expanded beyond the pure Sisters list in 40K to include Martyrs, Redemptionists, Archo-flagellants etc. for more of a Crusade feel. We're also hoping to do a box of plastic Sisters." https://web.archive.org/web/20010618152747/http://www.games-workshop.com/news/rumours/uk/rumours_archive-uk/rumours_archive-uk.htm Edit: Also, GW actually used to directly address rumor questions on their website.
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Post by: sfshilo
What do I do with all this metal?
I'm so conflicted, it won't look right lol.
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Post by: pretre
 sfshilo wrote:What do I do with all this metal?
I'm so conflicted, it won't look right lol.
How do you know the style will be different?
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Post by: Melissia
dan2026 wrote:I mean the new Canoness model is the biggest teaser I have ever seen.
It's perfectly designed to get people's mouths watering for more.
Eh, I doubt it's designed for that purpose, and there's a lot of people who say "if this is the future of SoB I don't want in". It is, rather, designed to celebrate Blanche's art. Automatically Appended Next Post:  pretre wrote:Amusing historical note. GW Rumored Plastic SOB in 2001.
Ah, what a joy hindsight is. Or a bitch. One or the other. Automatically Appended Next Post: pretre wrote: sfshilo wrote:What do I do with all this metal?
I'm so conflicted, it won't look right lol.
How do you know the style will be different?
I have to concur with Pretre, or with hwat he seems to suggest anyway. I doubt there will be serious changes to the Sisters aesthetics.
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Post by: ERJAK
Anyone know what the big red symbol on Celestine's webcart picture here is and if it's new? I don't seem to remember it but I'm not 100%
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Sisters-of-Battle-Celestine-the-Living-Saint
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Post by: Kanluwen
It means "Last Chance to Buy".
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Post by: General01L
On the dutch webstore of GW 'Celestine the Living Saint' has just become a 'last chance to buy' product. GW is completely running out of Sister models, I wouldnt be surprised if they get a surprise release tomorrow instead of having to wait for another three to four weeks.
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Post by: BBAP
Hospitaller has sold out in the UK. Exorcists temporarily out of stock. BSS box disappeared a couple of days ago.
Cautious optimism.
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Post by: ERJAK
That's what I had suspected!
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Post by: Captain Joystick
pretre wrote: sfshilo wrote:What do I do with all this metal?
I'm so conflicted, it won't look right lol.
How do you know the style will be different?
Some of the existing metal models have poses or elements to them that won't look the same if they try to implement it in plastic. Off the top of my head, the sister with her off-hand resting on the hilt of a sheathed sword with a tassel on the end of it, or the one pulling the pin from a grenade with her teeth.
Even the bog standard battle sister, if looked at close enough, is clearly holding a bolter-shaped tumor growing out of her midsection,ita most obvious when staring down the barrel of the gun.
Again, I would love for a plastic kit, but this isn't the first time sisters models have dropped off the store. ( IIRC it isn't the first time they've dropped off the store since the bin video.)
They could just as easily be transitioning Saint Celestine into finecast.
Regardless, I want to believe.
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Post by: Roknar
What are the odds of getting a traitor legion level review in a few hours sir VeteranNoob? Haven't been following this thread for a while.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
 Captain Joystick wrote:They could just as easily be transitioning Saint Celestine into finecast.
Regardless, I want to believe.
That basic Sisters, etc. are all going to Finecast?
OK, I'd believe that. $80 USD for 10 failcrap models.
Or rather, $50 USD for 5 failcrap models, because GW's gotta amortize the cost of converting the mold...
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Post by: Carnikang
I can't say for myself, but people who I know who recently bough forecast models say they're a lot better than before.
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Post by: EnTyme
 Roknar wrote:What are the odds of getting a traitor legion level review in a few hours sir VeteranNoob? Haven't been following this thread for a while.
Traitor Legions was rolled into the Daemon Magnus thread. You may check over there, but I don't remember him officially reviewing the book yet.
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Post by: pretre
 EnTyme wrote: Roknar wrote:What are the odds of getting a traitor legion level review in a few hours sir VeteranNoob? Haven't been following this thread for a while.
Traitor Legions was rolled into the Daemon Magnus thread. You may check over there, but I don't remember him officially reviewing the book yet.
He's talking about the major leaks that VN put out on pre-order.
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Post by: Roknar
This ^
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Post by: Battlesong
They're right, the major leak is in the WOM thread. But we don't want to make you dig through the quagmire that thread has become so just go here and you'll see what this fine, fine person gave us:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/2820/705017.page#9054950
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Post by: Roknar
It seems I wasn't clear enough. I was there in the WoM thread when he released all the Legions stuff and it was glorious. I'm asking if/when we can expect the same here.
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Post by: insaniak
General01L wrote:
Another thing I would like to mention is, how 'logical' would it be to release a new rulebook that includes formations or possibly the entire SOB codex....BUT there are no miniatures. Most of the tanks? Gone. Normal Sisters? Gone. Most characters/ hq's/specials?Gone. Of course anything is possible, but I doubt GW would give us rules for non-existent products. Can you imagine the costumer support? "Yeah I am emailing you because I want to play formation X from the Imperial Agents book, but I cannot find the models on your website." . Or maybe I am just being dumb and it all makes perfect sense.
Or, again, maybe they're just repackaging the existing range for re-release with the book. Something they've done countless times before.
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Post by: ERJAK
Roknar wrote:It seems I wasn't clear enough. I was there in the WoM thread when he released all the Legions stuff and it was glorious. I'm asking if/when we can expect the same here.
This^. Come on guys, why would we be asking for traitor legion leaks A) Here and B) days after the full rules have been released everywhere?
I really hope someone has their fingers on the trigger for C: IA spoilers as soon as new zeeland goes up.
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Post by: Silentz
Roknar wrote:It seems I wasn't clear enough. I was there in the WoM thread when he released all the Legions stuff and it was glorious. I'm asking if/when we can expect the same here.
It was obvious what you meant really. He will post when the book goes on for preorder on the GW site. Later on today, assuming he is kind enough to do it.
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Post by: Battlesong
Roknar wrote:It seems I wasn't clear enough. I was there in the WoM thread when he released all the Legions stuff and it was glorious. I'm asking if/when we can expect the same here.
Oops, I guess I can't reads nearly as well as I thought I could. I missed the word "level" in your post. I think I'll just slink back into the corner over here again....
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Post by: Nuclear Mekanik
Roknar wrote:It seems I wasn't clear enough. I was there in the WoM thread when he released all the Legions stuff and it was glorious. I'm asking if/when we can expect the same here.
You were perfectly clear, some people just can't read
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Post by: ERJAK
insaniak wrote:General01L wrote:
Another thing I would like to mention is, how 'logical' would it be to release a new rulebook that includes formations or possibly the entire SOB codex....BUT there are no miniatures. Most of the tanks? Gone. Normal Sisters? Gone. Most characters/ hq's/specials?Gone. Of course anything is possible, but I doubt GW would give us rules for non-existent products. Can you imagine the costumer support? "Yeah I am emailing you because I want to play formation X from the Imperial Agents book, but I cannot find the models on your website." . Or maybe I am just being dumb and it all makes perfect sense.
Or, again, maybe they're just repackaging the existing range for re-release with the book. Something they've done countless times before.
This kind of wouldn't make any sense though, GW don't drop prices outside of Start Collecting! type box sets. They've not put a metal model in a box set for years, as far as I can remember. So the SoB would be repackaged at the same ridiculously high prices only in 5 or 10 girl squads. That would mean damn near 8$ per model for ancient metal models, that no one will buy. The vast majority of people that buy SoB have all the metals they need and anyone looking to grab a squad for C: IA will be going to ebay for them; and it's possible the rules in C: IA aren't good and then no one will want 8$ metals either. Oh, and it's still GW so the character blisters would go up 5-10$ to match the others.
A rebox at this point is pretty much the same as a squatting.
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Post by: Roknar
 Battlesong wrote: Roknar wrote:It seems I wasn't clear enough. I was there in the WoM thread when he released all the Legions stuff and it was glorious. I'm asking if/when we can expect the same here.
Oops, I guess I can't reads nearly as well as I thought I could. I missed the word "level" in your post. I think I'll just slink back into the corner over here again....
Been there, done that
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Post by: pretre
ERJAK wrote:GW don't drop prices outside of Start Collecting! type box sets.
Deathwatch Land Raider.
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Post by: TheBoy
Idk if it has been reported or not but the dex is a $40usd soft back. I pre ordered mine Wednesday its comes out next week.
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Post by: insaniak
ERJAK wrote: That would mean damn near 8$ per model for ancient metal models, that no one will buy.
Or resin.
It had appeared that GW were done with 'Fine'cast, but the release of the Canoness in resin suggests that maybe they're going to give it another go, for some inexplicable reason.
Makes a certain amount of sense... Given the reluctance GW have always had over actually spending any money on the Sisters range, I can easily see them choosing to keep the existing range and just upgrade to resin rather than going for the expense of making plastic models.
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Post by: ERJAK
Doesn't count, entirely 'new' kit. It's not violating company policy if it's not even for the same faction(the clever dogs )
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Post by: tneva82
95$ vs 86$. If you don't need dw bits doesn't exactly look like price decrease. More like price hike.
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Post by: pretre
tneva82 wrote:
95$ vs 86$. If you don't need dw bits doesn't exactly look like price decrease. More like price hike.
It's a normal land raider, the crusader upgrade sprue and the DW upgrade sprue. Those together are significantly cheaper with that kit.
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Post by: Nevelon
tneva82 wrote: 95$ vs 86$. If you don't need dw bits doesn't exactly look like price decrease. More like price hike.
Also includes the parts to make the LRC/ LRR. So for a minor upcharge, you get both the DW sprue and the extra guns/sponsons. Sorta like getting the razorback kit instead of the rhino box. Few bucks more, lots more options. Edit: Ninja’d
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Post by: DarkStarSabre
tneva82 wrote:
95$ vs 86$. If you don't need dw bits doesn't exactly look like price decrease. More like price hike.
Except for the fact the DW Land Raider contains the sprues for a normal Land Raider AND a Crusader.
£45 normal Land Raider.
£45 Crusader.
£48 DW Land Raider.
Crusader LR Sprues - £12.50
Average cost of an upgrade sprue (based of Ultras, BA, DA, SW) - £8
Going by that, if you wanted to have a Land Raider that had both Crusader AND normal weapon options plus an upgrade sprue you'd be paying £65.50.
Suddenly £48 seems really fething good.
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Post by: tneva82
 DarkStarSabre wrote:Going by that, if you wanted to have a Land Raider that had both Crusader AND normal weapon options plus an upgrade sprue you'd be paying £65.50.
Suddenly £48 seems really fething good.
Doesn't give me any extra models to use though. If I want crusader I get the crusader box.
Don't have particular use for the extra guns. Not good enough scratch builder to build extra hull.
Deathwatch land raider is still just one model you are pushing around. Usually I know which land raider I want when I buy the model.
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Post by: ERJAK
insaniak wrote:ERJAK wrote: That would mean damn near 8$ per model for ancient metal models, that no one will buy.
Or resin.
It had appeared that GW were done with 'Fine'cast, but the release of the Canoness in resin suggests that maybe they're going to give it another go, for some inexplicable reason.
Makes a certain amount of sense... Given the reluctance GW have always had over actually spending any money on the Sisters range, I can easily see them choosing to keep the existing range and just upgrade to resin rather than going for the expense of making plastic models.
Except why? If it's the same sculpts then you just pay for the development of resin molds for a product you already have in a medium that most people have a very low opinion of. If they're new sculpts, then you're deliberately spitting in the eye of the customer. 'You are the only army to be GW resin in years because we want EVERYONE to know we at GW see you as second class citizens.'
We're either going to see nothing, 1-2 reboxes for the exact price of the old metals, or we're getting new plastics. Nothing else would really make any sense.
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Post by: Vorian
These new plastics can't come fast enough, if only to stop the inane repeating conversation about if the already announced things are coming (!)
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Post by: pretre
tneva82 wrote: DarkStarSabre wrote:Going by that, if you wanted to have a Land Raider that had both Crusader AND normal weapon options plus an upgrade sprue you'd be paying £65.50.
Suddenly £48 seems really fething good.
Doesn't give me any extra models to use though. If I want crusader I get the crusader box.
Don't have particular use for the extra guns. Not good enough scratch builder to build extra hull.
Deathwatch land raider is still just one model you are pushing around. Usually I know which land raider I want when I buy the model.
Jetbikes and Bikes, Warwalkers, etc.
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Post by: General01L
Leaving whether or not repackaging is logical in any way. Models with 'last chance to buy' will be gone, not repackaged, so this means these models would need to be replaced in some way or another.
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Post by: Vorian
All the AoS things that were reboxed and given price reductions per model?
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
insaniak wrote:ERJAK wrote: That would mean damn near 8$ per model for ancient metal models, that no one will buy.
Or resin.
It had appeared that GW were done with 'Fine'cast, but the release of the Canoness in resin suggests that maybe they're going to give it another go, for some inexplicable reason.
Makes a certain amount of sense... Given the reluctance GW have always had over actually spending any money on the Sisters range, I can easily see them choosing to keep the existing range and just upgrade to resin rather than going for the expense of making plastic models.
Exactly.
The thing that people need to note is that the resin Cannoness is more than 50% more expensive than the current metal one. Obviously, the metal Sisters are grossly underpriced at $8/model, and should be something more like $13/model...
In that context, the upgrade from expensive metal to 5 "Finecast" resin models for $50 is a tremendous savings to the Customer.
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Post by: pretre
pretre wrote:tneva82 wrote: DarkStarSabre wrote:Going by that, if you wanted to have a Land Raider that had both Crusader AND normal weapon options plus an upgrade sprue you'd be paying £65.50.
Suddenly £48 seems really fething good.
Doesn't give me any extra models to use though. If I want crusader I get the crusader box.
Don't have particular use for the extra guns. Not good enough scratch builder to build extra hull.
Deathwatch land raider is still just one model you are pushing around. Usually I know which land raider I want when I buy the model.
Jetbikes and Bikes, Warwalkers, etc.
Vanguard Veterans, flamers of tzeentch. There's plenty of examples.
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Post by: Chairman Aeon
JohnHwangDD wrote:
In that context, the upgrade from expensive metal to 5 "Finecast" resin models for $50 is a tremendous savings to the Customer.
In that context it's an infinite saving for the customer...because they aren't going to buy models they already own and don't sell to anyone else anymore. Recasting the present minis in resin is just GW throwing away money.
And I mean who was really begging for Genestealer cult minis? That was a really brilliant move right? Making a fakey army that only long beards remember. If they did GSC minis in plastic then there's no excuse for doing Sisters--even if they have to make a crappy board game with them first as is their MO theses days.
Iain.
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Post by: ShaneMarsh
Up at the NZ store for pre-order, alongside all the old SoB models.
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Post by: pretre
Immolator is back!
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Post by: ERJAK
Retracted, my dreams are dead
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Post by: pretre
This 136-page full-colour Codex presents background and rules for a number of smaller Imperial factions, whose forces fight alongside other armies of the Emperor. Use the rules, datasheets, wargear and detachments included to add members of the following operatives to any army of the Imperium:
- A full army list for the Battle Sisters of the Adepta Sororitas
- Tech-Priest Enginseers and Servitors of the Adeptus Mechanicus
- Valkyries of the Aeronautica Imperialis
- Battle Psykers and Astropaths of the Astra Telepathica
- Priests of the Adeptus Ministorum
- Kill Teams and Corvus Blackstars of the Deathwatch
- Terminator Squads and Nemesis Dreadknights of the Grey Knights
- The Legion of the Damned
- Assassins of the Officio Assassinorum
- Inquisitors of the Inquisition
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Post by: the_scotsman
You mean that terrible fakey army nobody wanted that sold out pretty much everywhere upon release?
It's really sad to see people attacking other minor, interesting and unique subfactions instead of GWs continued obsession with pushing 95% power armor armies.
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Post by: ShaneMarsh
So it seems this may be the codex we were waiting for vis a vi Sisters. I can't wait for Veteran's review!
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Post by: ERJAK
The immolator is back
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Post by: pretre
This is a weird description. The immolator doesn't have resin parts:
"The Immolator battle tank is a design exclusive to the Adeptus Ministorum, based on the ubiquitous Rhino chassis. Immolators carry deadly but short-ranged twin heavy flamers, heavy bolters or multi-meltas that can cleanse the battlefield of all but the toughest of foes. Immolators are tactically versatile vehicles and the tank of choice for many Adepta Sororitas commanders, for in addition to their prodigious armaments, their armoured hulls can carry squads of Battle sisters, deploying them onto vital objectives and then supporting them with heavy weapons fire.
This multi-part plastic and resin kit contains the components necessary to assemble an Immolator, armed with a twin-linked heavy flamer, heavy bolter or multi-melta.
"
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Post by: dan2026
So no new Sisters models or codex?
I don't know what to think anymore.
So disappointed. So all the rumours were wrong?
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Post by: Requizen
I wonder if the Sisters will have new rules or if it's just a reprint.
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Post by: ERJAK
Veridyan is on 32mm as well, which makes sense for her pose but is odd for the rest of the army
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Post by: ShaneMarsh
Dominions:
"This box contains the miniatures necessary to assemble a Dominion Squad. You’ll receive a Sisters of Battle Canoness, 2 Battle Sisters with Flamer, a Battle Sister with Storm Bolter and a Battle Sister with Meltagun, supplied with 5 Citadel 25mm Round bases."
Hot dog, a Cannones? Come to poppa. XD I think there are typos and whatnot across most descriptions. I'm sure they'll be fixed. I love these made to order ones.
@Dan- We'll see.
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Post by: oldzoggy
This could be the first wave, also GWs site rumors mentioned no new models with the book outside the cannonness.
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Post by: Wereaardvark
Anyone else notice the fact that the retributor pack is multimedia... Which is their on weapon no one takes and the dominions have two flamers... Either the rules are going to have to change or the people in charge of marketing don't understand how these units work
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Post by: Loopstah
I just hope they've done themed formations for the three Ordos and not just a big mish mash one of everything.
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Post by: rollawaythestone
GW trying to hock the old metal Sisters is seriously deflating.
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Post by: pretre
ShaneMarsh wrote:Dominions:
"This box contains the miniatures necessary to assemble a Dominion Squad. You’ll receive a Sisters of Battle Canoness, 2 Battle Sisters with Flamer, a Battle Sister with Storm Bolter and a Battle Sister with Meltagun, supplied with 5 Citadel 25mm Round bases."
Hot dog, a Cannones? Come to poppa. XD I think there are typos and whatnot across most descriptions. I'm sure they'll be fixed. I love these made to order ones.
@Dan- We'll see.
I think they may have just misidentified that model, since it is clearly the old BS Vet with Bolter. Automatically Appended Next Post: Wereaardvark wrote:Anyone else notice the fact that the retributor pack is multimedia... Which is their on weapon no one takes and the dominions have two flamers... Either the rules are going to have to change or the people in charge of marketing don't understand how these units work
It's slightly better than the old squad loadouts. So many SB/Flamer BSS squads.
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Post by: BBAP
Not here it's not. Exorcist is still "temporarily out of stock" as well. Friggin' timezones.
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Post by: pretre
 BBAP wrote:
Not here it's not. Exorcist is still "temporarily out of stock" as well. Friggin' timezones.
It's on the pre-order page, which we were discussing. They got new site codes, etc.
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Post by: ERJAK
Still 100$ for 10 models. The immo will sell but I doubt the others will
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Post by: BBAP
pretre wrote:It's on the pre-order page, which we were discussing. They got new site codes, etc.
Nope - still just Traitor Legions crap and Battleforces here.
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Post by: pretre
BBAP wrote: pretre wrote:It's on the pre-order page, which we were discussing. They got new site codes, etc.
Nope - still just Traitor Legions crap and Battleforces here.
Dude. Read the thread. It is on the NZ pre-orders. This happens with every release.
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Post by: Loopstah
BBAP wrote: pretre wrote:It's on the pre-order page, which we were discussing. They got new site codes, etc.
Nope - still just Traitor Legions crap and Battleforces here.
The New Zealand Pre-Order page, the country where it's the 10th already. Obviously not the UK site as it's still the 9th.
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Post by: pretre
ERJAK wrote:Still 100$ for 10 models. The immo will sell but I doubt the others will
Those are NZ prices.
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Post by: ShaneMarsh
BBAP wrote: pretre wrote:It's on the pre-order page, which we were discussing. They got new site codes, etc.
Nope - still just Traitor Legions crap and Battleforces here.
Go to the New Zealand GW site.
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Post by: pretre
Exorcist is available on the NZ site as well.
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Post by: Nevelon
It’s SOB. Hard to tell between NZ and “normal” prices
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Post by: pretre
Not really, just cut them in half.
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Post by: oldzoggy
Now where are those promised "leaks" ?
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Post by: BBAP
Loopstah wrote: BBAP wrote: pretre wrote:It's on the pre-order page, which we were discussing. They got new site codes, etc.
Nope - still just Traitor Legions crap and Battleforces here.
The New Zealand Pre-Order page, the country where it's the 10th already. Obviously not the UK site as it's still the 9th.
Makes sense, ta.
... the Kiwis pay 125 quid for 10 models?!
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Post by: pretre
Somebody get VeteranNoob in here.
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Post by: ShaneMarsh
He has to edit his review. He may have been spoken to due to the depth and breadth of what he put down for the Legion review(likely mechanics), and so is editing the Agents review. So let us give him the time he needs, because he is doing such a great favor for us all.
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Post by: NivlacSupreme
I checked and Typhus (£15) is 46NZ$. I don't think the canoness will be £15.
God damn you GW!
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Post by: Davor
dan2026 wrote:So no new Sisters models or codex?
I don't know what to think anymore.
So disappointed. So all the rumours were wrong?
What rumours? I don't recall any rumours saying Sisters of Battle were getting a new codex or minis. pretre wrote:Somebody get VeteranNoob in here.
I am sure he is still recovering from last week. Is he up to now? He is in the US right? So he could still be at work, or getting ready to get of work. So mayby 1/2 hour or an hour from now depending on how long he has to travel he will have it out.
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Post by: ShaneMarsh
Davor wrote:dan2026 wrote:So no new Sisters models or codex?
I don't know what to think anymore.
So disappointed. So all the rumours were wrong?
What rumours? I don't recall any rumours saying Sisters of Battle were getting a new codex or minis.
pretre wrote:Somebody get VeteranNoob in here.
I am sure he is still recovering from last week. Is he up to now? He is in the US right? So he could still be at work, or getting ready to get of work. So mayby 1/2 hour or an hour from now depending on how long he has to travel he will have it out.
There have been many rumors (including from the likes of Atia) that Sisters are/were due plastic models and a codex in the first two months of the new year.
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Post by: Davor
ShaneMarsh wrote:
There have been many rumors (including from the likes of Atia) that Sisters are/were due plastic models and a codex in the first two months of the new year.
Yes I recall those. It's not the new year yet. There was no rumours indicating that Imperial Agent Supplement to be this, so hence why, where are those rumours to say Imperial Agents Supplement to be so.
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Post by: pretre
I think the idea is that it is unlikely for a full codex and minis to come out so soon after a full army list in CIA.
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Post by: Anpu-adom
We have a blizzard bearing down on us, so I called in my order for tomorrow.
US price for the Canoness is $25. Still limited stock, but my store will be able to order more in the future.
I also picked up a St. Celestine, as well as the book. I'm guessing that this means relatively few changes for the Sisters in the new book... which I'm actually ok with.
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Post by: ShaneMarsh
Davor wrote:ShaneMarsh wrote:
There have been many rumors (including from the likes of Atia) that Sisters are/were due plastic models and a codex in the first two months of the new year.
Yes I recall those. It's not the new year yet. There was no rumours indicating that Imperial Agent Supplement to be this, so hence why, where are those rumours to say Imperial Agents Supplement to be so.
I think the fellow you are quoting is despairing that if this book contains the full Sisters army list, then the rumor of a new SoB stand-alone codex in the new year may be wrong. And that it would stand to follow that perhaps the same is true for the plastic models.
My faith is strong, however.
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Post by: A Town Called Malus
pretre wrote:I think the idea is that it is unlikely for a full codex and minis to come out so soon after a full army list in CIA.
Then again, Traitor Legions had the full rules for the CSM parts of the Wrath of Magnus book.
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Post by: ERJAK
NZ price is 200$ conversion based on Canoness price is 1/2.
I know what I'm doing.
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Post by: General01L
The only thing I don't get is why they did this. So first Sister units(immolator and such) disappear over the course of a couple of years, only to now suddenly return as the exact same kits/models/material, why?
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Post by: Hive City Dweller
Something interesting:
Only this model gets a new box with an army specific icon and title. This is exactly what we saw in the Magnus previews with "Thousand Sons" written on the box, heralding in all the new box sets less than a month later. As the old metal models and immolator don't seem to have been boxed this way, the precedent gives me hope that they are indeed clearing out inventory and will come up with a proper codex/models soon enough.
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Post by: Commisar
General01L wrote:The only thing I don't get is why they did this. So first Sister units(immolator and such) disappear over the course of a couple of years, only to now suddenly return as the exact same kits/models/material, why?
At a guess, the new CEO does not understand why they would stop selling a product that they have:
a) already developed.
b) people want to buy.
So it is another of the many reversals of course we have seen from GW of late.
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Post by: Thommy H
Because they figured there was enough demand? GW have been on an "obscure faction" kick for a couple of years now. Given the success of the Mechanicus armies, Deathwatch and Genestealer Cults, they may have decided it was time to revisit Sisters and the other Imperial hangers-on.
And since fans of those factions are so loyal to the old imagery, why make new kits? I mean, if they'd released GC with the old models (ignore how dated they'd have looked for the purposes of this argument...) they'd probably still have been snapped up.
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Post by: ClockworkZion
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Codex-Imperial-Agents-Hardback-ENG
While the Imperium draws great advantage from the unbelievable weight of manpower it can bring to bear, the diversity of its military is its greatest strength. Many, many esoteric factions are expected to answer the call to protect humanity, from the arcane Adeptus Mechanicus, to the merciless, psychically-gifted Grey Knights and all in between. The forces of the Imperium are myriad and distinct, but all follow the Emperor’s divine will – through this common goal, they strive to ensure the continued if fraught survival of Mankind.
This 136-page full-colour Codex presents background and rules for a number of smaller Imperial factions, whose forces fight alongside other armies of the Emperor. Use the rules, datasheets, wargear and detachments included to add members of the following operatives to any army of the Imperium:
- A full army list for the Battle Sisters of the Adepta Sororitas
- Tech-Priest Enginseers and Servitors of the Adeptus Mechanicus
- Valkyries of the Aeronautica Imperialis
- Battle Psykers and Astropaths of the Astra Telepathica
- Priests of the Adeptus Ministorum
- Kill Teams and Corvus Blackstars of the Deathwatch
- Terminator Squads and Nemesis Dreadknights of the Grey Knights
- The Legion of the Damned
- Assassins of the Officio Assassinorum
- Inquisitors of the Inquisition
My wallet is ready.
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Post by: Roknar
I'm hoping VeteranNoob will chime in. This is supposed to be a codex per VeteranNoob. I thought it would have like one or two sister units, like they listed with greyknights. But now it looks like this is the new sister codex? I'm not sure what to think yet.
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Post by: ERJAK
Thommy H wrote:Because they figured there was enough demand? GW have been on an "obscure faction" kick for a couple of years now. Given the success of the Mechanicus armies, Deathwatch and Genestealer Cults, they may have decided it was time to revisit Sisters and the other Imperial hangers-on.
And since fans of those factions are so loyal to the old imagery, why make new kits? I mean, if they'd released GC with the old models (ignore how dated they'd have looked for the purposes of this argument...) they'd probably still have been snapped up.
Because the models are 20 years old, everyone who wants them already has them, they're so expensive HH players cry manly tears about it and everyone who is already a fan of SoB and was hoping for new plastics will be furious until it fades into general dissappoint and they play with the exact same models they've had since 2nd Ed. It's a stupid strategy, they'll sell a bunch of immolators and a handful of squads for newness factor and then it'll be back to the same ol' same ol'
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Post by: EnTyme
I still don't think this is the rumored Sisters release as that was rumored for Q1 2017. This seems more like an attempt to clear out old inventory before that happens. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but this would run counter to what GW has become in the last year.
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Post by: ClockworkZion
Roknar wrote:I'm hoping VeteranNoob will chime in. This is supposed to be a codex per VeteranNoob. I thought it would have like one or two sister units, like they listed with greyknights. But now it looks like this is the new sister codex? I'm not sure what to think yet.
My money is on a tweaked Sisters list. That is unless this has all new rules and we get the new models later as GW used to do.
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Post by: General Kroll
Everyone needs to chill. Surely this is just the one last hurrah for the metal sisters to clear out the stock. If they were keeping them long term they would have surely converted them all to resin.
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Post by: ClockworkZion
 General Kroll wrote:Everyone needs to chill. Surely this is just the one last hurrah for the metal sisters to clear out the stock. If they were keeping them long term they would have surely converted them all to resin.
Probably true. Sadly save for the new resin Canoness I've already got at least 1 of the every model in the range (to include a Ephrael Stern model) so I'm not jumping on buying more right now. I have noticed that it looks like GW brought back the old squad boxes for Sisters, though I can't figure out why they put a Canoness model in the Dominon Squad.
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Post by: pretre
 ClockworkZion wrote: General Kroll wrote:Everyone needs to chill. Surely this is just the one last hurrah for the metal sisters to clear out the stock. If they were keeping them long term they would have surely converted them all to resin.
Probably true. Sadly save for the new resin Canoness I've already got at least 1 of the every model in the range (to include a Ephrael Stern model) so I'm not jumping on buying more right now. I have noticed that it looks like GW brought back the old squad boxes for Sisters, though I can't figure out why they put a Canoness model in the Dominon Squad.
They didn't, it is a mistype.
Also, the squads are different than they were before. The BSS has a melta instead of a flamer and a simulacrum.
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Post by: ClockworkZion
pretre wrote: ClockworkZion wrote: General Kroll wrote:Everyone needs to chill. Surely this is just the one last hurrah for the metal sisters to clear out the stock. If they were keeping them long term they would have surely converted them all to resin.
Probably true. Sadly save for the new resin Canoness I've already got at least 1 of the every model in the range (to include a Ephrael Stern model) so I'm not jumping on buying more right now. I have noticed that it looks like GW brought back the old squad boxes for Sisters, though I can't figure out why they put a Canoness model in the Dominon Squad.
They didn't, it is a mistype.
Also, the squads are different than they were before. The BSS has a melta instead of a flamer and a simulacrum.
Ah, you're right. Guess they got their "models holding an icon" mixed-up.
And I didn't mean that the squads were the same, just that they're giving us boxes of models instead of only blister packs of models. I was speaking conceptionally more than strictly literal.
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Post by: BBAP
Did they? I'm not seeing one. EDIT: Nevermind!
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Post by: ERJAK
BBAP wrote:
Did they? I'm not seeing one.
EDIT: Nevermind!
That's not a Canoness. They just straight up don't care what they're thowing into the bundles enough to check everything.
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Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim
Well, running pure Codex Grey Knights is now moot. :-p My book was already mediocre with only the Dreadknight being stand-out. Now I can run those without the tax, in a better over-all army.
Time to go raid the wife's Sisters of Battle case.
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Post by: ERJAK
Now you can run that paladins+celestine+ ironpriest star even if only 2 factions are allowed. Yay...
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Post by: BloodGrin
Celestine is in the last chance section, be excited
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Post by: ClockworkZion
Well fingers crossed for a massive center piece Celestine in plastic next year then.
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Post by: Gamgee
No idea how reliable this is. It is bols after all. http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2016/12/gw-rumors-january-2017-releases.html
Apparently there are indeterminable Xenos minis coming. If this is true. I hope it's a new faction, but am expecting they misidentified the "xenos" models for a fantasy races models or some mix up.
Edit
Apparently Sisters with a four kit release and a stand alone codex. Some sort of new starter set Sisters vs Xenos of some sort allegedly.
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Post by: ERJAK
After all this if they cut celestine too I don't know that I'd be interested keeping up 40k over AoS.
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Post by: BBAP
... where are the Heavy Flamers and Heavy Bolters? We've got Multimeltas, Meltas, Flamers, frigging Storm Bolters... but no HFs or HBs.
Sign of things to come, maybe?
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Post by: pretre
BBAP wrote:... where are the Heavy Flamers and Heavy Bolters? We've got Multimeltas, Meltas, Flamers, frigging Storm Bolters... but no HFs or HBs.
Sign of things to come, maybe?
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Battle-Sister-with-Heavy-Flamer
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Battle-Sister-with-Heavy-Bolter Automatically Appended Next Post:
Not at all.
Larry Vela aka Big Red - Total rumors: ( 240 TRUE) / ( 706 FALSE) / ( 64 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) - Updated 12/9/2016
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Post by: pretre
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:Well, running pure Codex Grey Knights is now moot. :-p My book was already mediocre with only the Dreadknight being stand-out. Now I can run those without the tax, in a better over-all army.
Time to go raid the wife's Sisters of Battle case.
ERJAK wrote:Now you can run that paladins+celestine+ ironpriest star even if only 2 factions are allowed. Yay...
A little early for us to know if these are true.
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Post by: buddha
Countdown left before leaks?
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Post by: Davor
ClockworkZion wrote:My wallet is ready.
Long time no see. Nice to see you again.
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Post by: BloodGrin
ERJAK wrote:
After all this if they cut celestine too I don't know that I'd be interested keeping up 40k over AoS.
She needs a new model and would be the first of them to get a new sculpt.
Everything proceeding as it should
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Post by: ERJAK
BloodGrin wrote:ERJAK wrote:
After all this if they cut celestine too I don't know that I'd be interested keeping up 40k over AoS.
She needs a new model and would be the first of them to get a new sculpt.
Everything proceeding as it should
If nothing else the optimism is appreciated.
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Post by: ClockworkZion
Davor wrote:ClockworkZion wrote:My wallet is ready.
Long time no see. Nice to see you again.
Just needed a reaspn to find the time to come back.
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Post by: Shaft, Lord of Slaanesh
Well they failed to mention the Tzeentch Arcanites and if this in the December issue of WD is anything to go by I'm pretty sure they're coming too...
LordShaft.
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Post by: dracpanzer
General Kroll wrote:Everyone needs to chill. Surely this is just the one last hurrah for the metal sisters to clear out the stock. If they were keeping them long term they would have surely converted them all to resin.
I think this is the release and its actually more than what I expected, I'm pleased with the new Canoness and the return of the Immolator (with a resin top hatch maybe? not sure)
Metal figs can easily be turned into ingots to be gotten rid of, and it isn't exactly good business to make a mountain of models you have to sell. GW may not be the most brilliant of companies but I'm sure they understand basic rules about unsold inventories.
Now, I just want my Sororitas tactical cards.
Playable solo LotD would be great too....
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Post by: Kanluwen
 Shaft, Lord of Slaanesh wrote:
Well they failed to mention the Tzeentch Arcanites and if this in the December issue of WD is anything to go by I'm pretty sure they're coming too...
LordShaft.
To be fair, Tzeentch Arcanites are a known quantity. We got the name and faction in Grand Alliance: Chaos.
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Post by: ERJAK
dracpanzer wrote: General Kroll wrote:Everyone needs to chill. Surely this is just the one last hurrah for the metal sisters to clear out the stock. If they were keeping them long term they would have surely converted them all to resin.
I think this is the release and its actually more than what I expected, I'm pleased with the new Canoness and the return of the Immolator (with a resin top hatch maybe? not sure)
Metal figs can easily be turned into ingots to be gotten rid of, and it isn't exactly good business to make a mountain of models you have to sell. GW may not be the most brilliant of companies but I'm sure they understand basic rules about unsold inventories.
Now, I just want my Sororitas tactical cards.
Playable solo LotD would be great too....
Except GW's ENTIRE business model is making mountains of models they have to sell and honestly they could skip straight to the ingot thong with how little long term interest there will be in these reboxes. Sidebar: Thr margins on these must be insane with the whole line averaging 10$ US Per model.
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Post by: Chairman Aeon
General Kroll wrote:Everyone needs to chill. Surely this is just the one last hurrah for the metal sisters to clear out the stock. If they were keeping them long term they would have surely converted them all to resin.
Yes, because no one else sells good looking and affordable resin Sisters...
The rumour mongers did say Canoness for December and plastic Sisters in the new year. I'm beginning to think the Sisters vs. Xenos game might be a thing. Might need to sock away some Xmas money...
Iain.
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Post by: dienekes96
BloodGrin wrote:ERJAK wrote:
After all this if they cut celestine too I don't know that I'd be interested keeping up 40k over AoS.
She needs a new model and would be the first of them to get a new sculpt.
Everything proceeding as it should
Needs a new model??? Celestine remains one of Jes' best sculpts. An absolutely stunning character model. Would I mind a new multipart plastic kit at least supervised by Jes? No, I would not mind.
But to say she needs a new model is to claim the current one is outdated or sub-par.
And she absolutely isn't.
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Post by: Wereaardvark
I'm really beginning to suspect a sisters board game release... It's how they did deathwatch/ genestealers... And from a business perspective it makes sense to double dip like that
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Post by: NivlacSupreme
Does the Canoness have rules or not? I couldn't see anything on the NZ page.
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Post by: dienekes96
The recent nostalgia kick by GW would lead me to believe if the Sisters are in a box set (which I think is a good idea), then their adversaries will be Necrons.
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Post by: IAmHated
I honestly cant see plastic sisters happing now unless its part of a new edition rules box(unlikely...since they arent spesh mareens) or like others have said a deathwatch style game/box set
and I cant see this being a case of getting rid of old stock, i imagine there would be too much backlash from players who just bought the metals
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Post by: Loopstah
 dienekes96 wrote:The recent nostalgia kick by GW would lead me to believe if the Sisters are in a box set (which I think is a good idea), then their adversaries will be Necrons.
I would buy this straight away if they did a Sanctuary 101 game.
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Post by: Wereaardvark
A sanctuary 101 game would actually be pretty awesome...
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Post by: fryguy49
According to GW she will have unique rules in her box.
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Post by: NivlacSupreme
I'd buy it and sell the dirt xenos to my friend.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Did you not see the new Sisters Canoness model? That's brand new, although terribly retro.
And the Sisters will exist as part of Imperial Agents, just not on their own, much less as "Codex: Sisters of Battle"
Sisters of Battle are dead, all hail the new Imperial Agents!
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Post by: ERJAK
JohnHwangDD wrote:
Did you not see the new Sisters Canoness model? That's brand new, although terribly retro.
And the Sisters will exist as part of Imperial Agents, just not on their own, much less as "Codex: Sisters of Battle"
Sisters of Battle are dead, all hail the new Imperial Agents!
Yeah, screw that noise. As far as I'm concerned it's the SoB codex with some SM tagalongs and a handful of cast-offs that snuck in while no one was watching.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Wereaardvark wrote:I'm really beginning to suspect a sisters board game release... It's how they did deathwatch/ genestealers... And from a business perspective it makes sense to double dip like that
That presumes that there is some huge pent-up demand for Sisters of Battle.
At best, there could be 5 Sisters mixed into the 8E starter, alongside a lot more not-Sisters, a la Sisters of Silence.
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Post by: ERJAK
JohnHwangDD wrote:Wereaardvark wrote:I'm really beginning to suspect a sisters board game release... It's how they did deathwatch/ genestealers... And from a business perspective it makes sense to double dip like that
That presumes that there is some huge pent-up demand for Sisters of Battle.
At best, there could be 5 Sisters mixed into the 8E starter, alongside a lot more not-Sisters, a la Sisters of Silence.
There's more pent up demand for SoB than there was for GSC and look what happened there.
Though I will say that them being in the 8th ed starter is a bit of a stretch, unless they were the 'bad guys' for the space marines, which would be weird. No box game that wasn't vehicle of vehicle combat has ever not had SM in it and I doubt they're about to start.
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Post by: CoteazRox
Loopstah wrote: dienekes96 wrote:The recent nostalgia kick by GW would lead me to believe if the Sisters are in a box set (which I think is a good idea), then their adversaries will be Necrons.
I would buy this straight away if they did a Sanctuary 101 game.
Agree, and maybe two games.
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Post by: Wereaardvark
I would be very surprised if they were in the eighth edition starter box. A board game ala deathwatch, burning of prospero, lost patrol, silver tower, etc. Is not outside the realm of possibility
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Post by: Dryaktylus
dienekes96 wrote:The recent nostalgia kick by GW would lead me to believe if the Sisters are in a box set (which I think is a good idea), then their adversaries will be Necrons.
Aren't there rumours about a Nurgle release? Why not a Sisters vs. Plague Zombies board game to support both?
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Post by: ERJAK
Dryaktylus wrote: dienekes96 wrote:The recent nostalgia kick by GW would lead me to believe if the Sisters are in a box set (which I think is a good idea), then their adversaries will be Necrons.
Aren't there rumours about a Nurgle release? Why not a Sisters vs. Plague Zombies board game to support both?
Because Santuary 101 is extremely iconic(infamous) and fighting plague zombies is just a thing that happens.
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Post by: dan2026
I don't get what is going on with Sisters of Battle.
GW say they are releasing plastics, everything points to it and now this?
feth knows.
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Post by: ERJAK
dan2026 wrote:I don't get what is going on with Sisters of Battle.
GW say they are releasing plastics, everything points to it and now this?
feth knows.
It's been an emotional rollercoaster and we still have at least a couple more loops to get through. We're still waiting on leaks from people with review copies to determine if SoB get any rules updates and then we have a rumored reveal on warhammer live on wednesday that could be SoB or could be completely unrelated.
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Post by: dan2026
ERJAK wrote: dan2026 wrote:I don't get what is going on with Sisters of Battle.
GW say they are releasing plastics, everything points to it and now this?
feth knows.
It's been an emotional rollercoaster and we still have at least a couple more loops to get through. We're still waiting on leaks from people with review copies to determine if SoB get any rules updates and then we have a rumored reveal on warhammer live on wednesday that could be SoB or could be completely unrelated.
Like they wouldn't put the entire army list in here if they were releasing a codex, would they?
What the hell are they doing?
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Post by: BBAP
dan2026 wrote:Like they wouldn't put the entire army list in here if they were releasing a codex, would they?
What the hell are they doing?
Probably not, but if they were going to do some kind of supplement it might make sense.
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Post by: ERJAK
dan2026 wrote:ERJAK wrote: dan2026 wrote:I don't get what is going on with Sisters of Battle.
GW say they are releasing plastics, everything points to it and now this?
feth knows.
It's been an emotional rollercoaster and we still have at least a couple more loops to get through. We're still waiting on leaks from people with review copies to determine if SoB get any rules updates and then we have a rumored reveal on warhammer live on wednesday that could be SoB or could be completely unrelated.
Like they wouldn't put the entire army list in here if they were releasing a codex, would they?
What the hell are they doing?
You'd think that but then they put the entire 1ksons list that was in wrath of magnus into traitor legions so...
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Post by: Dryaktylus
ERJAK wrote: Dryaktylus wrote: dienekes96 wrote:The recent nostalgia kick by GW would lead me to believe if the Sisters are in a box set (which I think is a good idea), then their adversaries will be Necrons.
Aren't there rumours about a Nurgle release? Why not a Sisters vs. Plague Zombies board game to support both?
Because Santuary 101 is extremely iconic(infamous) and fighting plague zombies is just a thing that happens.
It is? I remember the onesided battle report (and, of course, Sister Sledge) - there were better ones and the whole scenario was kinda lame and constructed in my opinion. But why not - though a 40k box set would be better for this constellation than a board game.
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Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl
Woohoo, 10 page codex sold only with 60 pages of non-Sisters stuff, with Celestine cut out because she doesn't have a model anymore, be excited!!!
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Post by: BBAP
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Woohoo, 10 page codex sold only with 60 pages of non-Sisters stuff, with Celestine cut out because she doesn't have a model anymore, be excited!!!
They've already said Agents of Empra doesn't replace any existing Codexes so even if she's not in there you'll still be able to use her.
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Post by: Melissia
dan2026 wrote:I don't get what is going on with Sisters of Battle.
GW say they are releasing plastics, everything points to it and now this?
feth knows.
We've been through this before at least three times with GW claiming to release plastic Sisters and not doing it. Let's wait and see, because GW has a long record of lying to us about Sisters.
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Post by: ERJAK
BBAP wrote: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Woohoo, 10 page codex sold only with 60 pages of non-Sisters stuff, with Celestine cut out because she doesn't have a model anymore, be excited!!!
They've already said Agents of Empra doesn't replace any existing Codexes so even if she's not in there you'll still be able to use her.
Go back and read it again, it says it doesn't replace DW ir GK it doesn't say anything about SoB
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Post by: dracpanzer
ERJAK wrote:Except GW's ENTIRE business model is making mountains of models they have to sell and honestly they could skip straight to the ingot thong with how little long term interest there will be in these reboxes. Sidebar: Thr margins on these must be insane with the whole line averaging 10$ US Per model.
I was replying to a post that implied that GW was selling these off to burn up left over SoB models. Like they have been sitting around since 2004 and GW just needs to sell them before they launch plastic sisters. Barring a product launch businesses try NOT to make product that will sit on the factory floor for a few weeks before shipment let alone a decade or so. Product sitting on the factory floor costs money just sitting there.
I would agree that they probably have cast up quite a few models for this release. Does that mean they did so knowing a full plastic sisters release is just months away? Seems a bit odd, but since plastic SoB were "confirmed" I guess that you think that GW did so. I think its a bit strange that they would rehash their Sisters squads for sale, re-roll out some long lost models, re-release the Immolator along with the full Sisters Dex finally in print just a few handfuls of weeks before a "confirmed" plastic SoB full release.
Of course this "confirmed" release would most assuredly be accompanied by a new dex with new units, right? Does that sound like GW's business model? Its kind of like everything is in reverse, unless, you assume that the supposed all plastic all new dex release that was "confirmed" was never really anything more than what we see up on the NZ pre-order website.
If I'm wrong, great, I certainly don't "have a guy" inside GW. I just want my frackin SoB tactical cards.
A few formations would help though.
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Post by: Ezr91aeL
dienekes96 wrote:
Needs a new model??? Celestine remains one of Jes' best sculpts. An absolutely stunning character model. Would I mind a new multipart plastic kit at least supervised by Jes? No, I would not mind.
But to say she needs a new model is to claim the current one is outdated or sub-par.
And she absolutely isn't.
Yes, but like all the sisters models it's getting old. You can understand that if you confront it with miniatures with similar them, from GW and third parts too...
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Post by: ERJAK
The issue about Celestine is if she gets resculpted as a big angel chick it's a pretty big nerf for a t3 no EW model that relies on how small she is quite a bit
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Post by: BBAP
ERJAK wrote:The issue about Celestine is if she gets resculpted as a big angel chick it's a pretty big nerf for a t3 no EW model that relies on how small she is quite a bit
She's already pretty substantial compared to most of the other SoB models. Not to mention she's an IC, has a 2+/4++ save, and comes back to life in the highly unlikely event that she dies.
This obsession with giving her EW is utterly bizarre.
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Post by: Azreal13
We know for a fact that they're reusing digital elements from a library quite a bit in the new kits.
Prepare yourself for Nagash with wings.
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Post by: ERJAK
BBAP wrote:ERJAK wrote:The issue about Celestine is if she gets resculpted as a big angel chick it's a pretty big nerf for a t3 no EW model that relies on how small she is quite a bit
She's already pretty substantial compared to most of the other SoB models. Not to mention she's an IC, has a 2+/4++ save, and comes back to life in the highly unlikely event that she dies.
This obsession with giving her EW is utterly bizarre.
Being substantial compared to SoB models is no great feat in any possible sense, and it's cool that people can still find opponents whose armies care about 2+4++ but in modern 40k she's a solid 2 wound model(one for each life) who is handicapped by absolutely needing an honorguard(which in SoB are the underwhelming seraphim) to be able to put her impressive I7 S5 A5 into an ebemy squad.
Oh, also a 2+ armor S6+ character will stonewall her completely.
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Post by: Ezr91aeL
ERJAK wrote:The issue about Celestine is if she gets resculpted as a big angel chick it's a pretty big nerf for a t3 no EW model that relies on how small she is quite a bit
Thats true, but I hope for the EW, T4, S4 and more point cost to balance everything.
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Post by: oldzoggy
Is there a possibility that Celestine gets renamed ?
I can't imagine them copyrighting the name "Celestine"
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Post by: ERJAK
oldzoggy wrote:Is there a possibility that Celestine gets renamed ?
I can't imagine them copyrighting the name "Celestine"
Well her full name is technically Living Saint Celestine or something like that so maybe not? But you do have a point.
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Post by: BBAP
ERJAK wrote:Being substantial compared to SoB models is no great feat in any possible sense, and it's cool that people can still find opponents whose armies care about 2+4++ but in modern 40k she's a solid 2 wound model(one for each life) who is handicapped by absolutely needing an honorguard(which in SoB are the underwhelming seraphim) to be able to put her impressive I7 S5 A5 into an ebemy squad.
.... what are you trying to use her for? She's not a model for duelling with, she's for blowing up basic troopers, and she does that very well indeed. The Seraphim are pretty good at it too, although a dual-Melta Assault Squad might be a better throw for not much more points.
If you want a model for duelling other tough CC models ally in a Thunderwolf Lord or something and leave Celestine on the shelf.
Oh, also a 2+ armor S6+ character will stonewall her completely.
Don't charge her at one then.
Instead of giving her EW just give the Canoness her Jump Pack back. Celestine doesn't need EW and has never needed it. Automatically Appended Next Post: oldzoggy wrote:Is there a possibility that Celestine gets renamed ?
I can't imagine them copyrighting the name "Celestine"
They could copyright all that "Hieromartyr of the thingy" stuff as well as her name, I think.
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Post by: ClockworkZion
 Azreal13 wrote:We know for a fact that they're reusing digital elements from a library quite a bit in the new kits.
Prepare yourself for Nagash with wings.
My body is ready?
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Post by: BBAP
How would they justify "Nagash with wings"? This isn't the almighty Lord of Undeath - it's just some woman who was so pious and good at fighting that she came back to life to keep doing those things. Unless the Emperor's beneficent resurrection comes with complimentary gigantism I don't know how she could possibly be any bigger than she is. Maybe she'll get loads more angels and cloaks and purity seals or something.
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Post by: ClockworkZion
Honestly I expect them to crib design elements from the bing winged Sigmar model instead of Nagash.
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Post by: ERJAK
BBAP wrote:ERJAK wrote:Being substantial compared to SoB models is no great feat in any possible sense, and it's cool that people can still find opponents whose armies care about 2+4++ but in modern 40k she's a solid 2 wound model(one for each life) who is handicapped by absolutely needing an honorguard(which in SoB are the underwhelming seraphim) to be able to put her impressive I7 S5 A5 into an ebemy squad.
.... what are you trying to use her for? She's not a model for duelling with, she's for blowing up basic troopers, and she does that very well indeed. The Seraphim are pretty good at it too, although a dual-Melta Assault Squad might be a better throw for not much more points.
If you want a model for duelling other tough CC models ally in a Thunderwolf Lord or something and leave Celestine on the shelf.
Oh, also a 2+ armor S6+ character will stonewall her completely.
Don't charge her at one then.
Instead of giving her EW just give the Canoness her Jump Pack back. Celestine doesn't need EW and has never needed it.
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oldzoggy wrote:Is there a possibility that Celestine gets renamed ?
I can't imagine them copyrighting the name "Celestine"
They could copyright all that "Hieromartyr of the thingy" stuff as well as her name, I think.
Celestine is still a great unit and tears through normal SM squads pretty well but she also dies incredibly easy to literally anything and just 'oh don't charge them then' is great advice if there was never ever a situation where a 95pt librarian with force up on his power axe in terminator armor wasn't sitting in a squad of tactical marines on an objective going 'statistics punk!' Also, seraphim look okay if you play mono sisters but are actually just worse assault marines and no one takes those either.
And don't get me started on the Canoness. THE most overcosted character in the game. Even with a jump pack, fight her against a 35pt deathwatch biker with a power maul and see how that goes. Oh, she can win with 50 points of extra wargear, how cute.
As for allying in a wolf lord, why? Why can't celestine be a big beatstick character? Why can't she get a points bump along side EW and AP2 and become something your opponent MUST deal with? Why are so many people determines to see SoB suck?
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Post by: Wereaardvark
IF sisters got a large model I don't think it would be Celestine... It makes no sense... I would hazard that it would be something like a dreadknight
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Post by: Azreal13
ClockworkZion wrote:Honestly I expect them to crib design elements from the bing winged Sigmar model instead of Nagash.
Who already takes design cues from Nagash (the swirly bits used to levitate the figure.)
Just to be clear for those lacking a surfeit of imagination, I'm not suggesting they will literally glue wings onto the Nagash model and call it Celestine, but that there is already a clear, established form of "floaty" characters that she will likely follow.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Yeah, a new Celestine will be a ornate Sister of Battle riding atop a bunch of swirly bull gak, just like that Sigmarine model.
It's ok. The swirly bull gak will only double the price of the model.
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Post by: BloodGrin
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Woohoo, 10 page codex sold only with 60 pages of non-Sisters stuff, with Celestine cut out because she doesn't have a model anymore, be excited!!!
I will keep most of my opinion to myself otherwise I will get mod sniped, but being so negative must really make life sad.
Celestine will be in there, and most people would see this as odds of a new sculpt finally coming soon.
I do not get why people jump to the negative view of things with everything that we have had recently. Automatically Appended Next Post: H.B.M.C. wrote:Yeah, a new Celestine will be a ornate Sister of Battle riding atop a bunch of swirly bull gak, just like that Sigmarine model.
It's ok. The swirly bull gak will only double the price of the model.
I think mostly better wings.
I have seen some great conversions with AoS wings that look great.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
It's not a Sisters Codex, so why were you expecting more?
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Post by: ClockworkZion
Azreal13 wrote: ClockworkZion wrote:Honestly I expect them to crib design elements from the bing winged Sigmar model instead of Nagash.
Who already takes design cues from Nagash (the swirly bits used to levitate the figure.)
Just to be clear for those lacking a surfeit of imagination, I'm not suggesting they will literally glue wings onto the Nagash model and call it Celestine, but that there is already a clear, established form of "floaty" characters that she will likely follow.
To be fair she's already a floaty model as she's levitated by that parchment that extends from her feet so it's not like being a floaty model would break from the normal for her.
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Post by: ERJAK
Because the entire SoB army list is in it?
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Post by: BBAP
ERJAK wrote:Celestine is still a great unit and tears through normal SM squads pretty well but she also dies incredibly easy to literally anything
It's not just normal SM squads she tears through. She's quite good at killing small clumps of Genestealers, thanks to the fact she has a 2+/4++, a Heavy Flamer, and hits first at S5 WS7. Her and five Seraphim killed three of my five Purestrains with shooting last time I played against her. I laughed when he charged me - then Celestine killed the last two Stealers and put a wound on the Patriarch with nothing in reply thanks to the 4++ save.
But hey. She can't force a Terminator to roll his 3++ so she sucks ass.
and just 'oh don't charge them then' is great advice if there was never ever a situation where a 95pt librarian with force up on his power axe in terminator armor wasn't sitting in a squad of tactical marines on an objective going 'statistics punk!'
That's every game, is it? TDA Librarians in Tactical Squads? Even if it is, fire Meltaguns at them and find something else to do with Celestine. She's Jump Infantry, has Deep Strike, has S5 CC attacks, a Heavy Flamer - find something else to do with her and the Seraphim.
Also, seraphim look okay if you play mono sisters but are actually just worse assault marines and no one takes those either.
They're a lot shootier than Assault Marines in return for being worse in CC. Their Overwatch is pretty brutal against anything that's not a dedicated CC unit. Even against some that are, if you take Hand Flamers.
And don't get me started on the Canoness. THE most overcosted character in the game.
Not quite. She could stand to be cheaper though.
Even with a jump pack, fight her against a 35pt deathwatch biker with a power maul and see how that goes. Oh, she can win with 50 points of extra wargear, how cute.
Oh yeah, she sucked even when she had the Jump Pack, but she gets access to EW and that's what you want. T3 EW. I don't know why, but you seem to think that's awesome and necessary so there it is.
As for allying in a wolf lord, why? Why can't celestine be a big beatstick character? Why can't she get a points bump along side EW and AP2 and become something your opponent MUST deal with? Why are so many people determines to see SoB suck?
You think SoB having no beatstick CC character makes them suck? Lots of Sisters players seem to think this. I don't know why. I've never understood it, since the days people were running gakky JP Canonesses with Eviscerators and trying to pretend that was "good" or even necessary in an army bristling with Meltaguns.
I don't think that at all. I couldn't care less if they suck in CC provided they have the tools to make up for that weakness. They used to, back when vehicles could be relied upon. Now, not so much. That's what I want to see fixed, or at least papered over. I'd rather they make a decent fist of that than waste time designing a boring-ass push-and-play beatstick character.
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Post by: pretre
Take it to the tactics thread.
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Post by: BBAP
My initial reaction to this was "Empra no ples no", because I'm imagining some kind of fleur-spattered baby-carrying powerloader and ain't nobody got time for that - but I reckon it could well work with Penitengines. Make them MCs and they instantly become far more worthwhile - and if DKs are Monsters then there's no reason Pentiengines can't be too.
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Post by: ERJAK
BBAP, we can wall of text each other forever but you're never going to convine me sisters aren't in need of an across the board power boost and I'll never convince you that they aren't...fine? where they need to be? w/e let's just end it before we get mod locked.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Which still doesn't make it a Sisters Codex.
It just makes it somewhere where we finally have a physical version of the latest Sisters list. Still not a Sisters Codex.
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Post by: MadCowCrazy
Saw this on Faeit
http://natfka.blogspot.fi/2016/12/plastic-sisters-of-battle_9.html
Via anonymous sources
FYI a small tidbit... the Imperial Agents codex has the full new list for Sisters of Battle... think of it as a new codex for them... and shortly the immolator and other kits will be available to order (note: not made to order) for the first time in a while. I have seen the new plastic sisters and they are simply stunning. I assume they will see light of day along with the other plastics yet to be released like the plastic keeper of secrets.
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Post by: ERJAK
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Which still doesn't make it a Sisters Codex.
It just makes it somewhere where we finally have a physical version of the latest Sisters list. Still not a Sisters Codex.
Nope, it's not A sister's codex, it's just a codex that has all of the Sister's of battle rules, unit entries, and points.
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Post by: Verviedi
 MadCowCrazy wrote:Saw this on Faeit
http://natfka.blogspot.fi/2016/12/plastic-sisters-of-battle_9.html
Via anonymous sources
FYI a small tidbit... the Imperial Agents codex has the full new list for Sisters of Battle... think of it as a new codex for them... and shortly the immolator and other kits will be available to order (note: not made to order) for the first time in a while. I have seen the new plastic sisters and they are simply stunning. I assume they will see light of day along with the other plastics yet to be released like the plastic keeper of secrets.
There is no plastic Keeper Of Secrets. This rumor is incredibly vague.
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Post by: pretre
It's all stuff we already know along with rumors people suspect already and a plastic kos. Classic click bait.
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Post by: Rolsheen
According to my local GW Manager they were told to inform their customers that Sisters of Battle are not getting a codex and that all the rumours and confirmations were a joke.
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Post by: MadCowCrazy
 Rolsheen wrote:According to my local GW Manager they were told to inform their customers that Sisters of Battle are not getting a codex and that all the rumours and confirmations were a joke.
Well I guess that confirms it then...
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
ERJAK wrote:Nope, it's not A sister's codex, it's just a codex that has all of the Sister's of battle rules, unit entries, and points.
You can keep being angry/being a typical Sisters player all you like, but it's never going to make Codex: Imperial Agents into Codex: Sisters of Battle.
I mean, it has all the Inquisition stuff in it from Codex: Inquisition, but it's not Codex: Inquisition. It has everything from Codex: Legion of the Damned... but it's not Codex: Legion of the Damned.
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