ERJAK wrote: Nope, it's not A sister's codex, it's just a codex that has all of the Sister's of battle rules, unit entries, and points.
In the same way, we currently have a not Imperial Guard codex that happens to have all of the Imperial Guard battle rules, unit entries and points...
Like the not Sisters Codex, it also includes:
- Tech-Priest Enginseers and Servitors of the Adeptus Mechanicus
- Valkyries of the Aeronautica Imperialis
- Battle Psykers and Astropaths of the Astra Telepathica
- Priests of the Adeptus Ministorum
However, it lacks:
- Kill Teams and Corvus Blackstars of the Deathwatch
- Terminator Squads and Nemesis Dreadknights of the Grey Knights
- The Legion of the Damned
- Assassins of the Officio Assassinorum
- Inquisitors of the Inquisition
If people consider the not Imperial Guard codex to be the replacement for "Codex: Imperial Guard", then they would also consider "Codex: Imperial Agents" as the replacement for "Codex: Sisters of Battle".
ERJAK wrote: Nope, it's not A sister's codex, it's just a codex that has all of the Sister's of battle rules, unit entries, and points.
You can keep being angry/being a typical Sisters player all you like, but it's never going to make Codex: Imperial Agents into Codex: Sisters of Battle.
I mean, it has all the Inquisition stuff in it from Codex: Inquisition, but it's not Codex: Inquisition. It has everything from Codex: Legion of the Damned... but it's not Codex: Legion of the Damned.
Hey, I agreed with you. If you read the comment I very clearly said it is NOT a sister's codex. Typical chaos players always gotta play the victim.
So did the preview people (aka veteran noob and spikes bits) get a nasty gram from GW saying not to leak as much info? Because we are well past New Zealand preorder time and I'm surprised NO ONE has said anything.
It's quite possible they said to wait until pre-orders were up for all time zones or some such. But let's cut them some slack - the Traitor's Legion info was much appreciated and veteranoob spent all day answering questions and such last Friday.
Rolsheen wrote: According to my local GW Manager they were told to inform their customers that Sisters of Battle are not getting a codex and that all the rumours and confirmations were a joke.
Well I guess that confirms it then...
I assume you're joking. GW managers often know less than us.
Leaks are up, Celestine's gone, congratulations to anyone who doesn't like me on this forum, you win, I am as sad as anything 40k related could possibly make me.
ERJAK wrote: Leaks are up, Celestine's gone, congratulations to anyone who doesn't like me on this forum, you win, I am as sad as anything 40k related could possibly make me.
you are assuming this is a sisters of battle codex it is not. Also a lot of details and missing minis from that list including many named characters.
Rolsheen wrote: According to my local GW Manager they were told to inform their customers that Sisters of Battle are not getting a codex and that all the rumours and confirmations were a joke.
Well I guess that confirms it then...
I assume you're joking. GW managers often know less than us.
I would believe so. I doubt some random GW Manager would be informed to say anything of that sort, nor would GW confirm and spread rumours to confirm as a joke.
Specifics on the Detachment, how the other stuff in the book can be played with Sisters, and confirmation about Shield of Faith are all I really want to see at this point.
They are not being squatted. They hyped them in a big video, they release a new not limited resin model, tons of rumors about them coming out, and now this very book says it's just formations to take small compliments of each of the 9 factions in the book with formations from this codex.
Just because the Deathwatch are in here doesn't mean they will get squatted ect. I knew this was going to be so and here it is. It makes it pretty clear this is not a replacement for an actual codex for any factions in here but a codex... supplement for all Imperium armies.
Nothing I've seen has killed the sister mojo except rampant fan speculation and denial that they could actually be happening despite all evidence to the contrary.
TLDR: Calm down everyone. Sisters still on the way until proven otherwise.
From Beams on Bolter and Chainsword in regards to if Celestine is indeed missing from the codex... Was going to say the same thing but figured I'd quote someone else with the same thought as me.
Were down to one unique character. WHO ISNT EVEN A WOMAN. In the SISTERS of battle. Like, I like Jacobus, but come on! We lost all our Adepta-sororitas characters now. We have a Eccliasarchy character, but no Battle Sister Characters.
Edit: In a way this is actually good news for a number of reason when I think about it. Why would the angel of the Sisters be in a supplement codex? Are any of the GKSC in it? The model is on last chance to buy which means 1 of 2 things, model is being discontinued or replaced. Then again if any other non Inquisition SC is in the book it could be bad news.
Didn't we just (potentially) get a unique with the new canoness? Rumors were saying she had rules in the box.
As for losing Celestine I do earnestly hope that this is a temporary measure until a new codex with models drops. She's THE iconic centerpiece of pretty much every Sisters Army. If she goes away completely it'd be a sad day for the Sisters as a whole.
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First off, this is another beautiful book. While I admit I don’t know if all of the internal artwork is reused or newly commissioned, the initial piece is quite breathtaking. The intro section walks through each of the nine factions included with one-two pages of fluff accompanying art (many reused but gorgeous pieces). Next the book includes the standard gallery of models in action sequences (not solo models) in the Warriors of the Imperium section. It was wonderful to see some oldies but goodies pictured, which at the time of initial review I looked up and noticed were no longer for sale or needed to be found on the web store under the search function. Since then, GW has not only announced a new Blanche-inspired Sisters of Battle Canoness, but also brought back the remaining models here for order on demand. This is good because at this point—as we said weeks ago, Warhammer Community has confirmed, and many guessed—there are no new models accompanying this release, though 2017 is only a few weeks away…so, who knows…
So yes, the Sisters of Battle (SoB) army features all existing models. That doesn’t mean the promised plastic SoB models mentioned from inside a trash bin on Warhammer TV a few months back aren’t coming soon, but unlike a supplement, this is (at the very least) a placeholder for these nine factions, introducing new detachments which have their own force organization charts (FoC) and command abilities so the odd existing model can legally fit into an army as standard, ally, or whatever you prefer. Finally we have two pages of weapons, vehicle equipment and special issue warmer before the factions begin. It’s not a lot: 2 ranged, 1 melee, 2 vehicle and 5 special issue including psyk-out grenades and a teleport homer.
Now, onto the 9 factions: each faction has its own name as its faction unless otherwise noted
1. Cult Mechanicus We have the FoC Engineer Congregation to accompany the Tech-Priest Enginseer model that came out a while back (that cool-looking tech-priest with the axe but kinda on his own). This one is simple: Pair him with the Servitors on the next page and both units must have the Cult Mech faction. But units from this detachment gain the Canticles of the Omnissiah rule like Cult Mech usually have and the table is included. So this is good for folks like me with a cult mech or admech army or who want to incorporate these few models in. Not sure why the book started here, as it’s the slimmest of entries and they’re not alphabetical. But this certainly doesn't replace either of the admech codexes.
2. Aeronautica Imperialis This is the one no one could guess would be in the book weeks back when the list of 9 was being theorized from the initial teaser giving 6/9 factions. Hey, I wouldn’t have guessed it either. These boys are part of Armies of the Imperium and ally as such. An Imperial Navy Section FoC has at least one Valkyrie and 1 optional Officer of the Fleet. They gain air superiority allowing them to re-roll failed reserve rolls for this detachment. Another slim one, but it gets better. The officer is a cool model I don’t recognize. He allows you to allow a navy order (these are cumulative for each officer). So you can get either a bonus to reserves or penalize your opponents rolls on reserve rolls though a 6 will always bring in enemy reserves. It’s fluffy for units of 1-4 Valkyries (125 base each) and the designer’s note tells us the combat role and pursuit and agility values of the Valkyrie have been included for players using Death from the Skies.
3. Adeptus Astra Telepathica I swear, they’re not all this short. Here’s a unique detachment for the psykers: Psykana Division w/1 compulsory HQ (either Primaris Psyker or Astropath) …[God, I miss playing Rogue Trader] and an optional units of elites Wyrdvane Psykers . The bonus here allows for your HQ psykers near 5 or more Wyrdvane Psykers from this detachment a better chance to harness. The Primaris ne upgraded and take from the 4 usual expected lores. Astropaths give your army the ability to re-roll reserves in your next turn if he/she successfully manifests a psychic power this turn! Wyrdvanes come in units of 5 with brotherhood of psykers level 1 from the same 4 lores as the primaris. Wyrdvanes are already on sale for $15 for 3 so way cheaper than expected, If you have or like these models you can put them to good use but especially synergies with psykers or reserves. You can see how these are starting to stack...so maybe the order of publication does make sense after all…
4. Adepta Sororitas (SoB) The best way I decided to do this is just list the entries for you to do your own comparison for whatever you may be wondering. We get two new detachments depending on if you want small bodyguard or an entire force. Ministorum Delegation lets you pair a leader with a bodyguard. FLUFFY! As expected, they must be from the Adepta Sororitas faction. This grants Shield of Faith to the detachment making them tougher mentally and physically. The larger army detachment can buff your Army of Faith to prayer for dodging bad save rolls. The army still has the Act of Faith rule, Martyrdom, and 6 unique warlord traits. No new models today (beyond Canoness) but….I wanna see some Sisters on the battlefield! Includes also 7 relics and 6 tactical objectives. My fav is the Mantle of Ophelia granting Eternal Warrior. If you go to the webstore you’ll see these models. Canoness Ministorum Priest - cool older models looking like zealots, each fight sub phase can get a war hymn Uriah Jacobus Battle Sister Squad Repentia Squad Sororitas Command Squad Arco-flagellents Crusaders - power swords & storm shields can take rhino or immolator as dedicated transport Death Cult Assassins Celestian Squad Dominion Squad Seraphim Squad Sororitas Rhino Immolator Retributor Squad Exorcist Penitent Engines Ecclesiarchy Battle Conclave formation - gains shield of faith
5. The Deathwatch A Deathwatch Kill Team allows you better shots at wounding or armor penetration. There’s a big list of wargear and your troops of Veterans can take a Corvus Blackstar flyer. Deathwatch (I don’t have their new codex) have special rules and Mission tactics. So as before you can get a bit of variety in the unit with lots of re-rolls. Nice! I played vs. an entire DW army and they can be nuts so it’s nice that someone with only a small force can use them. All their wargear and rules are included so you can run this detachment from this book.
6. Grey Knights We get full background and rules for demon-hunting Grey Knights (GK) to form a Daemonhunter Strike Force. Much like GK in the codex, you can come in from the beginning and wreck face fast. This is not the full GK codex, of course.
7. Legion of the Damned This book gives the new Spectral Host detachment. We see Damned Legionanaires but this detachment starts in reserves and you can choose to come in when you feel is best. Again, a nice way to allow someone to ally or use a single LotD unit to get some variety to the army.
8. Officio Assassinorum This is fleshed out with the 4 assassins from the board game or also available individually where you can bring 1 or a formation, though each assassin is its own Assassinorum Operative detachment allowing a single elite assassin from Vindicare, Callidus, Eversor or Culexus temples. It gains bonuses for doing what Assassins do best. But this is just more about using your assassins with all the info, data sheets, special rules and wargear from each Temple together in one spot. Worth a look even if you’re only kinda thinking about assassins. They also have a formation Execution Force where 1 from each of the 4 temples come with better shots at smoking their targets. Each assassin has a full datasheet with special rules.
9. (No one suspects…) The Inquisition Our final entry includes the full background and rules for agents of the Inquisition including data sheets, war gear, and a unique detachment. Again, if you don’t have the Inquisition codex, here ya go. Detachment gains authority of the inquisition. Once again, everything rules and wargear is in here for what’s in this book. We have the usual line-up from the The Inquisitor and a cool formation at the end to bring most of these previous factions togethers.
So, that’s it. Overall, if you have these models or want to collect a select few, or have been playing the RPGs or video games and are jonesing for some Imperial Agents this lets you do that. There’s the odd formation, plus every faction gets a new detachment to make it work. I can see this being a book for players with these models or collectors but it does not replace those codexes that are in use. I liked it but was surprised they started with the super slim factions first. But I guess keep it a mix.
That’s it! Let us know your thoughts and questions. The audio podcast for Combat Phase covering this book will have more discussion on using the book. But for now, see above for the contents.
The only questions that matter atm are if the Acts of Faith are the same useless ones we have atm or if they have been reworked and if the Sisters have received drastic points reductions across the board. If same doodoo as before then they will probably be the same in the Sisters Codex keeping the army as a bottom tier turd like now.
I wish the review was more in-depth. I have way too many questions about the changes to Sisters. Like:
1. How do the formations break down exactly?
2. What is the change to Shield of Faith?
3. Are points lower or higher than before?
4. How did Acts of Faith change?
5. Did the full warhead/relic options for Sisters change?
6. Is there any reason to put a Canoness in a Sororitas Command Squad?
7. Is there finally a 2+ armour save option ala artificer armour or an equivalent?
8. What do the formation special rules for the units look like?
9. Do Penitent Engines have a reason to exist yet?
So I haven't really been following this epically fast growing thread, does this mean we think we won't be getting plastic Sisters given they've just reboxed the existing metals and released a resin character model?
AllSeeingSkink wrote: So I haven't really been following this epically fast growing thread, does this mean we think we won't be getting plastic Sisters given they've just reboxed the existing metals and released a resin character model?
They haven't rebound them. They will probably ship in simple white boxes like before. This whole situation is very strange. It is possible that that first hint was a poorly judged joke, but they really need to come out and clarify things. This feels like old, money grubbing GW. If they do come out with plastic sisters in a few weeks, everyone who spent money on metal will be justifiably pissed.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: So I haven't really been following this epically fast growing thread, does this mean we think we won't be getting plastic Sisters given they've just reboxed the existing metals and released a resin character model?
They haven't rebound them. They will probably ship in simple white boxes like before. This whole situation is very strange. It is possible that that first hint was a poorly judged joke, but they really need to come out and clarify things. This feels like old, money grubbing GW. If they do come out with plastic sisters in a few weeks, everyone who spent money on metal will be justifiably pissed.
It's odd if they're just packing them in white boxes that they'd bother putting them up for "preorder".
The new mini has box art shown. None of the others do. If I was anything more than passingly interested in sisters I would be pretty annoyed right now.
Thanks for the review, VeteranNoob! Codex: Imperial Agents is as advertised. That's okay.
The SoB re-releases, the Canoness and the large SoB section in Codex: IA make me feel the next SoB products may come in the first half of 2017 - but not in January. Anyway...
Are there any new rumors about an upcoming boardgame featuring plastic Inquisitor 40k models? Sad Panda, have you heard about it?
This whole situation is incredibly frustrating and aggravating.
Bin video says plastic Sisters of Battle are coming, is it a joke?
We get plastic Sisters of Silence, could bin video have been referring to these?
We get CIA which essentially has the entire Sisters codex in it
We get a limited release Canoness
We get all the metal sisters back on pre-order despite being gone for months
The hell does all this mean? If plastics are coming at the end of Jan why would they put up metal models for order? Is the limited edition Canoness suppose to be a bandaid or something? Why would they essentially put the whole Sisters codex in CIA and then release the same thing just 2 months later?
Why would the release the metal models again if we are getting plastic in 2 months? That's a really good way to make people really angry.
Will the rules and points cost be the same as in the Digital One?
This is my biggest worry right now, if they are the same then GW did nothing and the army is basically worthless still :(
Here's to hoping the Inquisition list got updated.....I'd like a Troops choice (preferably Storm Troopers) so i can run a somewhat viable and fluffy kill team (as opposed to super overpriced or extremely gimmicky). Heck, even getting some Storm Troopers as part of the retinue would let me use my modeled up ones.
Some new henchmen types would be cool as well (some of the types we are missing from the old Witch Hunter and Daemon Hunter book), though I have a feeling it's going to be a straight copy and paste from the digital codex. If that's the case, I'll probably pass, box up my 40k stuff and wait to see what 8th does with the game.
Also, I'll second Warhams on any info about the potential Inquisition boxed game Atia hinted at the other day.
Is it just my anti-Baby Carrier bias, or is it right to be really annoyed that the Dreadknight is in this book over something more fitting (like an HQ or a Transport).
H.B.M.C. wrote: Is it just my anti-Baby Carrier bias, or is it right to be really annoyed that the Dreadknight is in this book over something more fitting (like an HQ or a Transport).
You are certainly not alone on that my friend. You'd think a power armor Grey Knight squad or a librarian would be a better fit.
The only questions that matter atm are if the Acts of Faith are the same useless ones we have atm
I find the ignore Cover and Rending ones very useful myself.
Yes, because Ignore Cover is really good with Storm Bolters and Flamers.... Giving Storm Bolters assault 10 or flamers Torrent, now that would make that AoF interesting.
Rending for one phase once per game... wow? Eldar pretty much get that with all their weapons and it works every phase all game long.
Shooting 4 Heavy Bolters or Heavy Flamers with rending once per game isn't going to change anything. Why not take an Exorcist instead? Does the same thing and does it better. It's quite sad this is the best act of faith in the codex and it's still not particularly good.
MadCowCrazy wrote: This whole situation is incredibly frustrating and aggravating.
Bin video says plastic Sisters of Battle are coming, is it a joke?
We get plastic Sisters of Silence, could bin video have been referring to these?
We get CIA which essentially has the entire Sisters codex in it
We get a limited release Canoness
We get all the metal sisters back on pre-order despite being gone for months
The hell does all this mean? If plastics are coming at the end of Jan why would they put up metal models for order? Is the limited edition Canoness suppose to be a bandaid or something? Why would they essentially put the whole Sisters codex in CIA and then release the same thing just 2 months later?
Why would the release the metal models again if we are getting plastic in 2 months? That's a really good way to make people really angry.
Will the rules and points cost be the same as in the Digital One?
This is my biggest worry right now, if they are the same then GW did nothing and the army is basically worthless still :(
They're coming, we just don't know when. I agree with Warhams that it suggests it will be after January. It specifically said SoB, so it's not the SoS.
We know Arcanites are coming and Duardin - so perhaps it's those first and then back for the sisters.
pretre wrote: According to that thread, VN doesn't plan on posting here or in great detail.
The amount of negativity he's had flung at him from Sisters players (OMG Y U NO LEAK SISTERS) even after he explained it won't happen til after the pre-order hits, I don't blame him.
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Gamgee wrote: They are not being squatted. They hyped them in a big video, they release a new not limited resin model, tons of rumors about them coming out, and now this very book says it's just formations to take small compliments of each of the 9 factions in the book with formations from this codex.
Just because the Deathwatch are in here doesn't mean they will get squatted ect. I knew this was going to be so and here it is. It makes it pretty clear this is not a replacement for an actual codex for any factions in here but a codex... supplement for all Imperium armies.
Nothing I've seen has killed the sister mojo except rampant fan speculation and denial that they could actually be happening despite all evidence to the contrary.
TLDR: Calm down everyone. Sisters still on the way until proven otherwise.
If anything I view Imperial Agents as more of a glorified Inquisition Codex.
I mean, you have Inquisition in there...
And a whole bunch of stuff the Inquisition is likely to requisition for their operations.
Sisters players seem very ungrateful. Makes sense that I'm joining you.
This may not be Codex: Adepta Sororitas but it is a codex that contains all of their units. And stop expecting sisters to be better than space marines.
Any word on what the Deathwatch get? At the moment I've only got units from Death Masque and (soon to be) Overkill, and I'm looking at just using them with what will soon be my Imperial Agents force of Inquisition and Assassins. Will I be able to do it with just the IA book, or will I need the Deathwatch codex as well?
Another note, I am aware that I can use the formations for both, but I've built my Death Masque marines differently and I have an extra bike added in
NivlacSupreme wrote: Sisters players seem very ungrateful. Makes sense that I'm joining you.
This may not be Codex: Adepta Sororitas but it is a codex that contains all of their units. And stop expecting sisters to be better than space marines.
Well except that they apparently don't have the main Special Character of the Army? Imagine removing all the Space Marine SC's and saying - it doesn't matter you can use your normal units?
We do need to see more definite stuff to make judgements however.
They really should have limited those Canoness's. I got to the webstore at 10:00 and began to refresh. By the time I got on to the Canoness they were all gone.
She is still available in France. There is such a difference in number of players between UK and France ?
It make sense, 40k is Brit, after all, I guess.
I was early enough to see the 'Pre-order' tab, but alas it wasn't meant to be...
Welp. Looks like I'm just going to convert my own if her rules are amazing.
Just wait for more to come into stock. It's not limited edition or anything.
I was going to convert my own anyway. I'll put her in the same pose, sure..but that model is super hideous. Looks just like the art, but the art is hideous too.
NivlacSupreme wrote: Sisters players seem very ungrateful. Makes sense that I'm joining you.
This may not be Codex: Adepta Sororitas but it is a codex that contains all of their units. And stop expecting sisters to be better than space marines.
Don't know if this is bait or just trolling...
Exactly what should we be grateful for? It's also never about being "better than space marines", it's about being on par since SM are the closest comparison. I get the impression you have no idea how sisters players have been treated over the years or how poorly balanced the WD and then Digital are when compared to any other codex. I already compiled some of the problems earlier in the thread. It basically comes down to this, why is a model with 4 on all stats cheaper than one with BS4 and 3 on all other stats?
SM Scout 11pts
Space Marine 14pts
Battle Sisters 12
Retributor 12
Dominion 13
Celestian 14 - Same cost as SM but -1S,T and I
Seraphim 15pts
Celestians cost the same a a Space Marine, but AoF are so powerful!!! Celestians get Furious Charge if they pass a Ld test one phase once per game and have a 6++. I sure am ungrateful for this overpowered unit... Even if the cost of sisters were reduced to 10pts per model for all they would still be bad.
Acts of Faith are what makes the Sisters special and they are some of the worst army abilities in the game.
Mr Morden wrote: Well except that they apparently don't have the main Special Character of the Army? Imagine removing all the Space Marine SC's and saying - it doesn't matter you can use your normal units?
That'd be a really weird thing to happen in a Space Marine Codex. When it happens in a Sisters of Battle Codex, be sure to let us know.
I was early enough to see the 'Pre-order' tab, but alas it wasn't meant to be...
Welp. Looks like I'm just going to convert my own if her rules are amazing.
Just wait for more to come into stock. It's not limited edition or anything.
I was going to convert my own anyway. I'll put her in the same pose, sure..but that model is super hideous. Looks just like the art, but the art is hideous too.
I've got to say, I think it looks awesome. The paintjob isn't the best (especially on the face, as mentioned) and I hate the cartoony pile of bones, but otherwise it's really cool.
They have already promised that the Canoness will be available online in the future. I wouldn't be surprised to see it back up before the end of the preordained window.
NivlacSupreme wrote: Sisters players seem very ungrateful. Makes sense that I'm joining you.
This may not be Codex: Adepta Sororitas but it is a codex that contains all of their units. And stop expecting sisters to be better than space marines.
Don't know if this is bait or just trolling...
Exactly what should we be grateful for? It's also never about being "better than space marines", it's about being on par since SM are the closest comparison. I get the impression you have no idea how sisters players have been treated over the years or how poorly balanced the WD and then Digital are when compared to any other codex. I already compiled some of the problems earlier in the thread. It basically comes down to this, why is a model with 4 on all stats cheaper than one with BS4 and 3 on all other stats?
SM Scout 11pts
Space Marine 14pts
Battle Sisters 12
Retributor 12
Dominion 13
Celestian 14 - Same cost as SM but -1S,T and I
Seraphim 15pts
Celestians cost the same a a Space Marine, but AoF are so powerful!!! Celestians get Furious Charge if they pass a Ld test one phase once per game and have a 6++. I sure am ungrateful for this overpowered unit... Even if the cost of sisters were reduced to 10pts per model for all they would still be bad.
Acts of Faith are what makes the Sisters special and they are some of the worst army abilities in the game.
In fairness, Celestians have 2 Attacks and Ld 9, and Seraphim have jump packs (and two pistols, which is better than ccw & bp) so you should probably compare them to Veterans and Assault Marines respectively. I'm not disputing the maths per se, but you should compare like with like.
Cannoness sold out within the hour in Victoria, Australia. Hopefully GW takes thoses sales figures as a sure sign that Sisters are in demand and gets in to gear with those plastics lol
diepotato47 wrote: Cannoness sold out within the hour in Victoria, Australia. Hopefully GW takes thoses sales figures as a sure sign that Sisters are in demand and gets in to gear with those plastics lol
This is what I don't get.
The thirst is so real the new model sold out instantly. (Probably largely due to scalpers but still)
If GW are willing to put out a full range for a largely unknown like GS cults, surely something with such a huge demand like sisters would be a no brainer?
If GW are willing to put out a full range for a largely unknown like GS cults, surely something with such a huge demand like sisters would be a no brainer?
Without Genestealer Cults there would be no Tyranids as we know them.
Indeed, GSC cropped up at the same time as the Deathwing. They're even part of the original Deathwing origin story.
Largely unknown?
No, no. GSC have been a fan favourite in literature and roleplaying even when they didn't have 'rules' for an army.
Glad to see that Sisters players have moved their ridiculous bile and blame approach away from CSM and to GSC.
Pretty sure if you keep blaming another part of the playerbase that will fix everything eventually.
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NivlacSupreme wrote: Why didn't they limit these? Fething scalpers probably bought 100 as soon as they went up.
Because they've already confirmed they're not limited and will be back in stock indefinately from the web store after the initial release?
Really, a scalper will only profit if you're not willing to wait a week and get it at its normal price.
If GW are willing to put out a full range for a largely unknown like GS cults, surely something with such a huge demand like sisters would be a no brainer?
Without Genestealer Cults there would be no Tyranids as we know them.
Indeed, GSC cropped up at the same time as the Deathwing. They're even part of the original Deathwing origin story.
Largely unknown?
No, no. GSC have been a fan favourite in literature and roleplaying even when they didn't have 'rules' for an army.
Glad to see that Sisters players have moved their ridiculous bile and blame approach away from CSM and to GSC.
Pretty sure if you keep blaming another part of the playerbase that will fix everything eventually.
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NivlacSupreme wrote: Why didn't they limit these? Fething scalpers probably bought 100 as soon as they went up.
Because they've already confirmed they're not limited and will be back in stock indefinately from the web store after the initial release?
Really, a scalper will only profit if you're not willing to wait a week and get it at its normal price.
GSC coming back is awesome - however considering that they have not had rules /models for such a long time - they were a risk. Once again the worry for many of us Sisters players is that its always one step forward, two steps back, whilst even Chaos is stumbling forward again.
So finally here is the Sisters rules in hardback - awesome - oh and we (seem) to be have removed the signature character from the army list (as that's how its described) and maybe other things. No mention of plastic, but here is a LESC character but only in resin. Super cheese formations like everyone else, getting unit upgrades / points adjustments - none mentioned so far.
One step forward and two back. Its very sad. I donlt quite understand why people are surprised when there are have and have not's and the have not's are not happy.
If GW are willing to put out a full range for a largely unknown like GS cults, surely something with such a huge demand like sisters would be a no brainer?
Without Genestealer Cults there would be no Tyranids as we know them.
Indeed, GSC cropped up at the same time as the Deathwing. They're even part of the original Deathwing origin story.
Largely unknown?
No, no. GSC have been a fan favourite in literature and roleplaying even when they didn't have 'rules' for an army.
Glad to see that Sisters players have moved their ridiculous bile and blame approach away from CSM and to GSC.
Pretty sure if you keep blaming another part of the playerbase that will fix everything eventually.
a) I am not a sisters player. I want to be in the future though.
b) I didn't blame anyone
c) You can't seriously tell me that GS cults who havent had rules or models since very early in 40k weren't a risk to bring back with an entirely new range. They were 100% unknown in modern fluff til they came back.
NivlacSupreme wrote: I'm not though! I was on the webstore as soon as was physically possible and I still don't get one.
Wait a week or so. Set an email alert. Order it when it comes back into stock.
If you're willing to throw a fit and let a scalper scalp you - then you're part of the problem, not the solution.
This is literally the -worst- model to try and scalp simply because GW have already confirmed it will be available indefinately from the web store.
I'm saying scalpers are bad. I have very little money. I managed to get enough so that I could have had a canoness next week. I couldn't order from a scalper if I wanted to.
c) You can't seriously tell me that GS cults who havent had rules or models since very early in 40k weren't a risk to bring back with an entirely new range. They were 100% unknown in modern fluff til they came back.
Plus how many project logs on here and on Warseer have their been of people using Imperial Guard, Inquisition and Orks to make Genestealer Cults? Go on, have a look. There's plenty and they're pretty damn fantastic.
They were not 100% unknown in Modern fluff - they cropped up regularly in the Ciaphas Cain series of novels - frequently infesting Tau. There was also a lot of home-brewing of GSC in Dark Heresy as well.
GeneCult hadn't faded into obscurity, as much as you'd like to think they had. They've been about and DW: Overkil was a nod that brought them and Deathwatch back into 40k. Because your argument is very much the same for Deathwatch as well. Was there a demand for yet another Marine army? Was there really a call to release them as a range?
Doesn't matter. They sold. GSC cult sold and GSC are a very, very nice shift away from the meta. They're an army that can outmanuvere the meta without transports and that is healthy for the game as a whole.
And you did put blame on GSC. Holding them as an example for yet another 'WHY NO SISTERS?' bleat. The same bleat we saw through Traitor Legions' threads.
It's not a Sisters Codex, so why were you expecting more?
Because the entire SoB army list is in it?
Why is H.B.M.C. still talking to me? Why hasn't he put me on ignore? Why has Dakka's moderation team allowed him to troll ever and ever and ever?
The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind or something like that.
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First off, this is another beautiful book. While I admit I don’t know if all of the internal artwork is reused or newly commissioned, the initial piece is quite breathtaking. The intro section walks through each of the nine factions included with one-two pages of fluff accompanying art (many reused but gorgeous pieces). Next the book includes the standard gallery of models in action sequences (not solo models) in the Warriors of the Imperium section. It was wonderful to see some oldies but goodies pictured, which at the time of initial review I looked up and noticed were no longer for sale or needed to be found on the web store under the search function. Since then, GW has not only announced a new Blanche-inspired Sisters of Battle Canoness, but also brought back the remaining models here for order on demand. This is good because at this point—as we said weeks ago, Warhammer Community has confirmed, and many guessed—there are no new models accompanying this release, though 2017 is only a few weeks away…so, who knows…
So yes, the Sisters of Battle (SoB) army features all existing models. That doesn’t mean the promised plastic SoB models mentioned from inside a trash bin on Warhammer TV a few months back aren’t coming soon, but unlike a supplement, this is (at the very least) a placeholder for these nine factions, introducing new detachments which have their own force organization charts (FoC) and command abilities so the odd existing model can legally fit into an army as standard, ally, or whatever you prefer. Finally we have two pages of weapons, vehicle equipment and special issue warmer before the factions begin. It’s not a lot: 2 ranged, 1 melee, 2 vehicle and 5 special issue including psyk-out grenades and a teleport homer.
Now, onto the 9 factions: each faction has its own name as its faction unless otherwise noted
1. Cult Mechanicus
We have the FoC Engineer Congregation to accompany the Tech-Priest Enginseer model that came out a while back (that cool-looking tech-priest with the axe but kinda on his own). This one is simple: Pair him with the Servitors on the next page and both units must have the Cult Mech faction. But units from this detachment gain the Canticles of the Omnissiah rule like Cult Mech usually have and the table is included. So this is good for folks like me with a cult mech or admech army or who want to incorporate these few models in. Not sure why the book started here, as it’s the slimmest of entries and they’re not alphabetical. But this certainly doesn't replace either of the admech codexes.
2. Aeronautica Imperialis
This is the one no one could guess would be in the book weeks back when the list of 9 was being theorized from the initial teaser giving 6/9 factions. Hey, I wouldn’t have guessed it either. These boys are part of Armies of the Imperium and ally as such. An Imperial Navy Section FoC has at least one Valkyrie and 1 optional Officer of the Fleet. They gain air superiority allowing them to re-roll failed reserve rolls for this detachment. Another slim one, but it gets better. The officer is a cool model I don’t recognize. He allows you to allow a navy order (these are cumulative for each officer). So you can get either a bonus to reserves or penalize your opponents rolls on reserve rolls though a 6 will always bring in enemy reserves. It’s fluffy for units of 1-4 Valkyries (125 base each) and the designer’s note tells us the combat role and pursuit and agility values of the Valkyrie have been included for players using Death from the Skies.
3. Adeptus Astra Telepathica
I swear, they’re not all this short. Here’s a unique detachment for the psykers: Psykana Division w/1 compulsory HQ (either Primaris Psyker or Astropath) …[God, I miss playing Rogue Trader] and an optional units of elites Wyrdvane Psykers . The bonus here allows for your HQ psykers near 5 or more Wyrdvane Psykers from this detachment a better chance to harness. The Primaris ne upgraded and take from the 4 usual expected lores. Astropaths give your army the ability to re-roll reserves in your next turn if he/she successfully manifests a psychic power this turn! Wyrdvanes come in units of 5 with brotherhood of psykers level 1 from the same 4 lores as the primaris. Wyrdvanes are already on sale for $15 for 3 so way cheaper than expected, If you have or like these models you can put them to good use but especially synergies with psykers or reserves. You can see how these are starting to stack...so maybe the order of publication does make sense after all…
4. Adepta Sororitas (SoB)
The best way I decided to do this is just list the entries for you to do your own comparison for whatever you may be wondering. We get two new detachments depending on if you want small bodyguard or an entire force. Ministorum Delegation lets you pair a leader with a bodyguard. FLUFFY! As expected, they must be from the Adepta Sororitas faction. This grants Shield of Faith to the detachment making them tougher mentally and physically. The larger army detachment can buff your Army of Faith to prayer for dodging bad save rolls. The army still has the Act of Faith rule, Martyrdom, and 6 unique warlord traits. No new models today (beyond Canoness) but….I wanna see some Sisters on the battlefield! Includes also 7 relics and 6 tactical objectives. My fav is the Mantle of Ophelia granting Eternal Warrior. If you go to the webstore you’ll see these models.
Canoness
Ministorum Priest - cool older models looking like zealots, each fight sub phase can get a war hymn
Uriah Jacobus
Battle Sister Squad
Repentia Squad
Sororitas Command Squad
Arco-flagellents
Crusaders - power swords & storm shields can take rhino or immolator as dedicated transport
Death Cult Assassins
Celestian Squad
Dominion Squad
Seraphim Squad
Sororitas Rhino
Immolator
Retributor Squad
Exorcist
Penitent Engines
Ecclesiarchy Battle Conclave formation - gains shield of faith
5. The Deathwatch
A Deathwatch Kill Team allows you better shots at wounding or armor penetration. There’s a big list of wargear and your troops of Veterans can take a Corvus Blackstar flyer. Deathwatch (I don’t have their new codex) have special rules and Mission tactics. So as before you can get a bit of variety in the unit with lots of re-rolls. Nice! I played vs. an entire DW army and they can be nuts so it’s nice that someone with only a small force can use them. All their wargear and rules are included so you can run this detachment from this book.
6. Grey Knights
We get full background and rules for demon-hunting Grey Knights (GK) to form a Daemonhunter Strike Force. Much like GK in the codex, you can come in from the beginning and wreck face fast. This is not the full GK codex, of course.
7. Legion of the Damned
This book gives the new Spectral Host detachment. We see Damned Legionanaires but this detachment starts in reserves and you can choose to come in when you feel is best. Again, a nice way to allow someone to ally or use a single LotD unit to get some variety to the army.
8. Officio Assassinorum
This is fleshed out with the 4 assassins from the board game or also available individually where you can bring 1 or a formation, though each assassin is its own Assassinorum Operative detachment allowing a single elite assassin from Vindicare, Callidus, Eversor or Culexus temples. It gains bonuses for doing what Assassins do best. But this is just more about using your assassins with all the info, data sheets, special rules and wargear from each Temple together in one spot. Worth a look even if you’re only kinda thinking about assassins. They also have a formation Execution Force where 1 from each of the 4 temples come with better shots at smoking their targets. Each assassin has a full datasheet with special rules.
9. (No one suspects…) The Inquisition
Our final entry includes the full background and rules for agents of the Inquisition including data sheets, war gear, and a unique detachment. Again, if you don’t have the Inquisition codex, here ya go. Detachment gains authority of the inquisition. Once again, everything rules and wargear is in here for what’s in this book. We have the usual line-up from the The Inquisitor and a cool formation at the end to bring most of these previous factions togethers.
So, that’s it. Overall, if you have these models or want to collect a select few, or have been playing the RPGs or video games and are jonesing for some Imperial Agents this lets you do that. There’s the odd formation, plus every faction gets a new detachment to make it work. I can see this being a book for players with these models or collectors but it does not replace those codexes that are in use. I liked it but was surprised they started with the super slim factions first. But I guess keep it a mix.
That’s it! Let us know your thoughts and questions. The audio podcast for Combat Phase covering this book will have more discussion on using the book. But for now, see above for the contents.
Going back to the actual info we have thus far:
Looking forward to seeing the images and fluff - this sounds good. Also pleased that I don't have to use my printed off Sisters codex.
Things keeping their own Factions is very annoying - it means we can't really mix up the units, have Inquisitors and their weird and wonderful retinues / inducted units flying about in Valkyries or the like - you know like in the fluff.
Like the sound of the Enginseer and they are at least trying to tie together the various Ad Mech stuff a bit
Aeronautica is a bit weird if you can't use them as transports and they are not able to upgraded to Vendetta's - look forward to seeing the new officer model - been nice if it had been a female officer for a change.....
Telepaths -hmm ok - no Sisters of Silence - weird. Another missed opportunity.
And then we come to Sisters - so at least some kind of Formation to boost Shield of Faith for the army which is a positive - does not appear to be anything to match the power dexes (bizarrely some people seem to think only some codexes should be competitive - likely their own) Bodyguard - well nice to be able to give Inquisitors at least some Invuln!
It appears that Celestine is gone which is a tragedy and a major slap in the face to all Sisters players, hopefully the new canoness will have at least usable rules. No word on pts cost or similar - could Crusaders always take Immolators?
Sad that it appears, once again to be very half hearted :(
Deathwatch - again sounds No but no way to put your inquisitor in the flyer with his/her minions?
Legion of the Damned - cool - another reason that Celestine SHOULD have been there - they are very similar!
Grey Knights - ok
Assassins -- ok
Inquisitors - again if its just a reprint - yet another missed opportunity to give them invulns FFS and allow them to use any kind of ride.
Will be buying this for the fluff and hardback rules for SOB but it does seem to be mainly another kick in the teeth for the SOB players in particular and not sorting out niggles with other factions.
So I still don't know which of the factions in the codex actually got their rules updated. Are the Inquisition and the Assassins just copy-paste from the old digital codices?
It's interesting how the feedback from every SoB player in this thread is negative. Good job, GW, great job! Gotta work hard on keeping that consumer satisfaction low.
It's interesting how the feedback from every SoB player in this thread is negative. Good job, GW, great job! Gotta work hard on keeping that consumer satisfaction low.
Apart from having hard copy rules there does not seem much to be positive about?
I don't really get why they spend time and effort on putting these books together and not adjust stuff - and its not just Sisters - from the limited info we have thus far:
Still no invulns on Inquisitors unless accompanied by SOB, no way to take different stuff in transports - unless the FAQ is being changed.
It's interesting how the feedback from every SoB player in this thread is negative. Good job, GW, great job! Gotta work hard on keeping that consumer satisfaction low.
Apart from having hard copy rules there does not seem much to be positive about?
I don't really get why they spend time and effort on putting these books together and not adjust stuff - and its not just Sisters - from the limited info we have thus far:
Still no invulns on Inquisitors unless accompanied by SOB, no way to take different stuff in transports - unless the FAQ is being changed.
Well all the sub-factions are in one codex, right? Take them in rhinos/immolators. It's in the SoB part, right? Wouldn't the whole book technically be "Faction: Imperial Agents"? Sounds legal by definition to take anything from that book starting in transports from anything else in that book.
It's interesting how the feedback from every SoB player in this thread is negative. Good job, GW, great job! Gotta work hard on keeping that consumer satisfaction low.
Apart from having hard copy rules there does not seem much to be positive about?
I don't really get why they spend time and effort on putting these books together and not adjust stuff - and its not just Sisters - from the limited info we have thus far:
Still no invulns on Inquisitors unless accompanied by SOB, no way to take different stuff in transports - unless the FAQ is being changed.
Well all the sub-factions are in one codex, right? Take them in rhinos/immolators. It's in the SoB part, right? Wouldn't the whole book technically be "Faction: Imperial Agents"? Sounds legal by definition to take anything from that book starting in transports from anything else in that book.
Now, onto the 9 factions: each faction has its own name as its faction unless otherwise noted
You mean the wording that doesn't say Codex=Faction but rather says Faction=Faction.
If the Codex separates each faction and says they are separate factions, they are separate factions. If it instead says they are the same faction, then they are the same faction.
However from what we've seen so far information-wise, it indicates that the book specifies they are separate factions.
mmzero252 wrote: They each have their own names, but they're still all in one book. If GW wants to abuse it's players, just abuse their wording.
GW doesn't care, all that does is make people hate you. Having to "cheat" just to make your army playable is not the way this game should be heading.
Pretty much every codex up til now has been REALLY good with very few trash units. If nothing changes in this book it doesn't bode well for the future. Why would they release this book and then a sisters book in 2 months with different rules in both. I really hope we get some updates rules and that the for the first time in GW history are good.
It looks like they're separate, but since the whole point of the book is that you can use each of them to supplement other Imperial forces - which they all are - there doesn't need to be any special dispensation to use them together as an army in themselves.
Don't expect to be able to use them in a CAD together though. More likely it'll be self-contained detachments and formations.
mmzero252 wrote: They each have their own names, but they're still all in one book. If GW wants to abuse it's players, just abuse their wording.
GW doesn't care, all that does is make people hate you. Having to "cheat" just to make your army playable is not the way this game should be heading.
Pretty much every codex up til now has been REALLY good with very few trash units. If nothing changes in this book it doesn't bode well for the future. Why would they release this book and then a sisters book in 2 months with different rules in both. I really hope we get some updates rules and that the for the first time in GW history are good.
Didn't they literally just release Wrath of Magnus and then Traitor Legions with the same rules...?
mmzero252 wrote: They each have their own names, but they're still all in one book. If GW wants to abuse it's players, just abuse their wording.
GW doesn't care, all that does is make people hate you. Having to "cheat" just to make your army playable is not the way this game should be heading.
Pretty much every codex up til now has been REALLY good with very few trash units. If nothing changes in this book it doesn't bode well for the future. Why would they release this book and then a sisters book in 2 months with different rules in both. I really hope we get some updates rules and that the for the first time in GW history are good.
Didn't they literally just release Wrath of Magnus and then Traitor Legions with the same rules...?
What I'm asking is if the rules in CIA are the same as in the Digital Adepta Sororitas codex, if they are it doesn't bode well.
mmzero252 wrote: They each have their own names, but they're still all in one book. If GW wants to abuse it's players, just abuse their wording.
GW doesn't care, all that does is make people hate you. Having to "cheat" just to make your army playable is not the way this game should be heading.
Pretty much every codex up til now has been REALLY good with very few trash units. If nothing changes in this book it doesn't bode well for the future. Why would they release this book and then a sisters book in 2 months with different rules in both. I really hope we get some updates rules and that the for the first time in GW history are good.
Didn't they literally just release Wrath of Magnus and then Traitor Legions with the same rules...?
What I'm asking is if the rules in CIA are the same as in the Digital Adepta Sororitas codex, if they are it doesn't bode well.
From what little we know, they appear to be the same - oh apart from lost SC and maybe lost Shield of Faith and.........so not the same but worse. Same as apparently Inquisitors have lost Servo Skulls.
BBAP wrote: I've got to say, the fact they didn't add any SoBCC characters, and instead removed the only one that was there, is pretty funny.
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Mr Morden wrote: Same as apparently Inquisitors have lost Servo Skulls.
So now they're completely pointless, as opposed to just largely pointless?
It really isn't very funny.
Yep - they apparently only tried to make units worse in this codex - or so it appears from the snippets so far. Maybe we have not been told about the good stuff.
Theres a sickening level of negativity in this thread :l
Also to people saying the "theres no way to use them all together" im pretty sure the last part of the leak says theres a formation to bring them all together, Are you just annoyed you cant take them all together in a CAD or allied detachment?
Thing is you dont even know what the formation is. It might be a case of 1+ inquisitors and then select units from the other factions as auxillaries. No problems with that. Also you can just take multiple small detachments anyway. With the exception of sisters where the smallest you'd be able to take is an HQ+1 troop in an allied detachment the rest of the factions can be taken in 1 unit detachments anyway. Personally Im pretty keen for the book because I can use it to add a mob of assorted zealots and such to my steel legion and maybe a squad of grey knights if I fancy it without having to buy multiple codexes.
Theres probably a full new sisters dex coming. I'd be very surprised if there wasn't. To be honest I'd be more annoyed that the sisters units have shot up in price even more now. Utterly crazy
DarkStarSabre wrote: GeneCult hadn't faded into obscurity, as much as you'd like to think they had. They've been about and DW: Overkil was a nod that brought them and Deathwatch back into 40k. Because your argument is very much the same for Deathwatch as well. Was there a demand for yet another Marine army? Was there really a call to release them as a range?
Sorry, but they had. They were basically removed from GW fluff in all but the most oblique of references, only appearing in games that were very very old.
As far as Overkill goes, I'd hazard that the entire GS Cult range was in full swing when they made that game. Deathwatch on the other hand, had a whole RPG to themselves, one that was planned as a release all the way back when Dark Heresy came out. And Dark Heresy, a game perfect for Genestealer Cults, never got rules for them even in the most recent edition.
They just weren't really part of 40K until GW decided to bring them back.
Bobug wrote: Theres a sickening level of negativity in this thread :l
Also to people saying the "theres no way to use them all together" im pretty sure the last part of the leak says theres a formation to bring them all together, Are you just annoyed you cant take them all together in a CAD or allied detachment?
Thing is you dont even know what the formation is. It might be a case of 1+ inquisitors and then select units from the other factions as auxillaries. No problems with that. Also you can just take multiple small detachments anyway. With the exception of sisters where the smallest you'd be able to take is an HQ+1 troop in an allied detachment the rest of the factions can be taken in 1 unit detachments anyway. Personally Im pretty keen for the book because I can use it to add a mob of assorted zealots and such to my steel legion and maybe a squad of grey knights if I fancy it without having to buy multiple codexes.
Theres probably a full new sisters dex coming. I'd be very surprised if there wasn't. To be honest I'd be more annoyed that the sisters units have shot up in price even more now. Utterly crazy
I listed what I found positive and negative - sadly there is much of the latter - now it may be that there are good things in it beyond fluff and imagery - which is these days really my main reason to buy codexes and such.
However I can't see the positives (rule wise) from the current info - most particularly for Sisters in that there are lost units and maybe lost rules. Not really something to cheer about? If it had just had the SC Canoness, generic HQ and a sisters squad it would have boded better for the future of the faction.
I think it's unfair to criticise an orange for not being an apple.
This book is meant to be used as allied units/detachments for Imperial armies. It is not a complete army in a book, so admonishing it for not doing something it was never intended to do comes across as quite silly.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I think it's unfair to criticise an orange for not being an apple.
This book is meant to be used as allied units/detachments for Imperial armies. It is not a complete army in a book, so admonishing it for not doing something it was never intended to do comes across as quite silly.
Ah but the snippets are stating that this is in fact the new SOB army list, full stop? GW describes it as the Sisters of Battle army list on their own site
As I said I would have been happier if had been a small detachment to fulfil the above potential as that would have given hope for a new Codex - this downgrade tends to squash it.
I think we are all jumping to conclusions based on information that may or may not be accurate. The lack of st. Celestine is disconcerting but there are a variety of factors at play not least of which is the possibility in a future codex she is moved to a LOW slot at which point she wouldn't be in this book assuming we get an sob codex later on. We don't know the points or options for anything in this book. I am not planning on preordering the codex until I know whether I benefit from it... But to say it's a nerf or conversely that us sisters players should be grateful is premature.
I have to disagree. Since 4th Edition my fellow Sisters players have insisted the army would be A1-grade awesome if only it had an uber-buff CC character, despite that being mainfestly false. The Sisters were fine without CC support of any kind. They had problems, sure, but none of them were fixable by the addition of a CC beater unit. It should've been the lowest thing on anyone's priority list, but people kept demanding it anyway and complained when they didn't get it. "Take Celestine", I'd tell them, "She's alright." "No!", they'd reply - "She doesn't have EW and can't beat five THSS Terminators in a duel so she is bad!"
Then, on 10/12/16, GW released their revised rules for the Sisters, and not only did the Sisters not get their beater unit, but Celestine was gone too.
Is this artwork new? I dont remember seeing it and this is THE 40k art for me, defines everything about the Universe, I would buy a huge ass print of this in a second.
Edit: I mean look at this glorious piece, the everyman soldiers down at the bottom, in the mud and blood, banners gloriously waving amidst the bodies, depicting the power of man, the preacher charging headlong into battle with nothing but his robes and his faith. A titan towers in the distance and surely the thunder of guns echo across the field. Then above is this angelic depiction of the Imperium, the throne of gods and his angels of death, humanities salvation heralded by the servo-cherubs. I have never seen a more badass piece of artwork.
Lack of servo skulls, St Celestine, and the general lack of "new" stuff/rules me rather disappointed. Just seems like a cut and paste job instead of trying to develop the faction(s) to be anything more than what they where. Also do each entry have their own faction because if so then the Valks are going to be completely useless if they have their own Aeronautica faction as you can't start other units in it.
Are people moaning that st celestine cant be taken with a small group of sisters that is added to a larger army? Thats what the SOB codex is for. You wouldnt expect Dante to turn up with a squad of BA Tacs as part of a larger Guard army etc. This book is to add some flavour to existing armies by all accounts
I have to disagree. Since 4th Edition my fellow Sisters players have insisted the army would be A1-grade awesome if only it had an uber-buff CC character, despite that being mainfestly false. The Sisters were fine without CC support of any kind. They had problems, sure, but none of them were fixable by the addition of a CC beater unit. It should've been the lowest thing on anyone's priority list, but people kept demanding it anyway and complained when they didn't get it. "Take Celestine", I'd tell them, "She's alright." "No!", they'd reply - "She doesn't have EW and can't beat five THSS Terminators in a duel so she is bad!"
Then, on 10/12/16, GW released their revised rules for the Sisters, and not only did the Sisters not get their beater unit, but Celestine was gone too.
From where I'm sitting that's frigging hilarious.
Celestine actually can't beat a lot of things. Like..a lot. I've never had her survive any close combat against an HQ unit from another faction that wasn't of Canoness/commisar strength. They either instant death her or simply overpower her with their equipment and abilities in general.
I was looking at the rerelease SoB minis. I noticed that the retributors squad has 4 multi melta girls in it. So there is no way currently of getting the heavy bolter or heavy flamer models. Does that mean anything?
Vankraken wrote: Lack of servo skulls, St Celestine, and the general lack of "new" stuff/rules me rather disappointed. Just seems like a cut and paste job instead of trying to develop the faction(s) to be anything more than what they where. Also do each entry have their own faction because if so then the Valks are going to be completely useless if they have their own Aeronautica faction as you can't start other units in it.
This is a rather interesting question. In the product list GW sends out to stores everything is listed by "Race", this includes everything form Eldar, Tyranids etc to Paints, General tools etc.
CIA is listed as Imperial Forces, so are all assassins, the new Canoness and Imperial Knights. It could just be a tag for Imperial things without a proper faction.
Inquisitor Kallus wrote: Are people moaning that st celestine cant be taken with a small group of sisters that is added to a larger army? Thats what the SOB codex is for. You wouldnt expect Dante to turn up with a squad of BA Tacs as part of a larger Guard army etc. This book is to add some flavour to existing armies by all accounts
From the product description of Imperial Agents on GWs website:
A full army list for the Battle Sisters of the Adepta Sororitas
Where is the 'no servo-skulls' thing from? This worries me a lot. It is bad in itself, but I'm afraid that they have trimmed all inq options without models.
I have to disagree. Since 4th Edition my fellow Sisters players have insisted the army would be A1-grade awesome if only it had an uber-buff CC character, despite that being mainfestly false. The Sisters were fine without CC support of any kind. They had problems, sure, but none of them were fixable by the addition of a CC beater unit. It should've been the lowest thing on anyone's priority list, but people kept demanding it anyway and complained when they didn't get it. "Take Celestine", I'd tell them, "She's alright." "No!", they'd reply - "She doesn't have EW and can't beat five THSS Terminators in a duel so she is bad!"
Then, on 10/12/16, GW released their revised rules for the Sisters, and not only did the Sisters not get their beater unit, but Celestine was gone too.
From where I'm sitting that's frigging hilarious.
Ah, laughing at others misfortune funny -ok I guess.
Are people moaning that st celestine cant be taken with a small group of sisters that is added to a larger army?
Except thats not what they (appear) to have done - they deleted St C and seem to have downgraded other rules like Shield of Faith, Then on the GW sist its syas this is the SOB army list, not just a deatchment that an Inquisitor has brought along with them
To put in perspective -
The next Space Marines Codex
Well the Ulramarine section deletes all their special characters but the sniper guy, also Calgar is deleted but hey a new Captain replaces him but only in resin and via orders, Chapter tactics are reduced unless the single large unit formation is used, All other formations are deleted.
Crimson wrote: Where is the 'no servo-skulls' thing from? This worries me a lot. It is bad in itself, but I'm afraid that they have trimmed all inq options without models.
Frontline gaming has a review of the book up and it said they didn't see any mention of servo skulls.
Well this sounds a little disappointing. It doesn't seem to be the inquisition fun fest that was advertised. I was hoping it would be an update to the Inquisition codex that allowed them to tack on all these little factions. But I'm not sure what GW were going for with this now... :(
Not sure how accurate it is, but apparently this is another rumor of what the formations are.
Spoiler:
Sisters of Battle
Ministorum Delegation: Lets you pair a leader with a bodyguard. Must be from Adepta Sororitas faction. Grants both Shield of Faith.
Army of Faith: Improved prayer (Shield of Faith?)
Fury of Angels
Celestians + Seraphim
Seraphim DS without scatter on celestians and can assault with them
Angelic Host
2-5 Seraphim
Seraphim get +1 SOF and friendlies within 12" reroll SOF
Forward Crusade
3-6 Dominions
Half infiltrate on foot, other half outflank in immolator and may choose to come in on the side closest to one of the other squads
Wrath Squadron
3-6 Retributers
AoF also grants Relentless. Flamers gain torrent
The Penitent Host
2-6 Repentia
4+ FNP and AoF grabts fleet and allows a charge from anywhere
Hammer of Wrath
2 Exorcists
Roll 2d6 pick highest, apply to both
Purge Squadron
3-6 Immolators with same weapon
Squadron
Flamers get +1S
HB get Rending
MM get tank Hunter
Emperors Hate - Core
Canoness
Command Squad
Celestian Squad
Battle Sisters
Retributers
Must take immolator
Grants ObSec and double AoF
Crusade of Daughters - Core
20 Battle Sisters
May take 5 special and 5 heavy weapons
AoF - pick Doms or Rets AoF
Hymns of War - Decurion
Reroll WL No AoF test
Stubborn
The first of two big codices in this book. There is actually some cool stuff in this book, and one very sad thing which I will cover at the end. First off, I noticed that this section is almost a direct reprint of the Sisters of Battle 6th edition book. Which is cool, because I felt like that book was not a terrible base for a faction, and just needed a few more rules and units to really become viable at the competitive-casual level. In this section you will find a detachment that lets you take a single Ministorum priest, as well as a new detachment for the girls in armor called the “Vestal Task Force”. Which has the ability to give all units in the detachment the ability to reroll any saving throws of 1 once in a game. Awesome! You are forced to take a compulsory elite option, but it isn’t all that bad because GW gave the sisters access to Deathcult Assassins, Crusaders, and Arco-Flagellents. Other then one minor detail, this section is a copy of the Adepta Sororitas codex, with some updated verbage to make rules clearer.
so it may be that Shield of Faith is still as was...........but St C is gone.
Mr Morden wrote: Ah, laughing at others misfortune funny -ok I guess.
Not misfortune, really. Sisters have never needed CC to fix them and Celestine was always a bit-part novelty. I doubt that's why GW baleeted her, but I find it ironically amusing nonetheless.
Mr Morden wrote: Ah, laughing at others misfortune funny -ok I guess.
Not misfortune, really. Sisters have never needed CC to fix them and Celestine was always a bit-part novelty. I doubt that's why GW baleeted her, but I find it ironically amusing nonetheless.
Always good to remove options - oh wait its not. Kicking people when they are down is not especaily cool.
I think this canoness model might be the first time I have seen something go up for preorder on gws site and sell out so fast. It was already gone at 10:00 this morning
You are forced to take a compulsory elite option, but it isn’t all that bad because GW gave the sisters access to Deathcult Assassins, Crusaders, and Arco-Flagellents.
They already had access to those via the Ministorum War Conclave unit. I don't see what's changed.
mmzero252 wrote: Not sure how accurate it is, but apparently this is another rumor of what the formations are.
I hope they are. Some of those are really nice. Emperor's Hate and the Angelic Host sound great, the Penitent Host might actually be worth a look depending on what's meant by "charge from anywhere", the squadron option for Immolators... I'm not sure about that one, but the extra special rules are kinda nice. If it sorts their flimsiness issues even a little I can see it being very useful indeed, but I've never run vehicle squadrons so I don't know how that works.
Dat Wrath Squadron, though. I love my Rets to pieces and now I can not only take them without a Canoness tax, but they get Torrent as well? Yes please.
Hoping against hope this stuff is accurate.
Mr Morden wrote: Always good to remove options - oh wait its not. Kicking people when they are down is not especaily cool.
If even one quarter of mmzero's Formations are accurate, Sisters just got a lot punchier and far more flexible. Have a bibble about Celestine if you want, I'll be over here with my Torrenting Retributors and 5++ Seraphim.
My goodness, is this the Imperial Agents thread or the Sisters support group?
Anyway, this book seems really lackluster so far. Especially compared to Traitor Legions. The fact that every army seems to have different factions would seem to nix it's tournament usefulness (which limit number of detachments) too.
If you want to field lots of Imperial bits in a Grand Alliance style army in an uncompetitive scene it might be O.K.
The only real good part seems to be the Inquisition formation bonus, though you're limited to 1 Inquisitor now and Inquisition elites are not terribly strong to begin with.
You are forced to take a compulsory elite option, but it isn’t all that bad because GW gave the sisters access to Deathcult Assassins, Crusaders, and Arco-Flagellents.
They already had access to those via the Ministorum War Conclave unit. I don't see what's changed.
mmzero252 wrote: Not sure how accurate it is, but apparently this is another rumor of what the formations are.
I hope they are. Some of those are really nice. Emperor's Hate and the Angelic Host sound great, the Penitent Host might actually be worth a look depending on what's meant by "charge from anywhere", the squadron option for Immolators... I'm not sure about that one, but the extra special rules are kinda nice. If it sorts their flimsiness issues even a little I can see it being very useful indeed, but I've never run vehicle squadrons so I don't know how that works.
Dat Wrath Squadron, though. I love my Rets to pieces and now I can not only take them without a Canoness tax, but they get Torrent as well? Yes please.
Hoping against hope this stuff is accurate.
Mr Morden wrote: Always good to remove options - oh wait its not. Kicking people when they are down is not especaily cool.
If even one quarter of mmzero's Formations are accurate, Sisters just got a lot punchier and far more flexible. Have a bibble about Celestine if you want, I'll be over here with my Torrenting Retributors and 5++ Seraphim.
According to the reviews of the book, including the Frontline gaming one I linked to - they are not true. The only one close is the bodyguard one.
Adepta Sororitas
The first of two big codices in this book. There is actually some cool stuff in this book, and one very sad thing which I will cover at the end. First off, I noticed that this section is almost a direct reprint of the Sisters of Battle 6th edition book. Which is cool, because I felt like that book was not a terrible base for a faction, and just needed a few more rules and units to really become viable at the competitive-casual level. In this section you will find a detachment that lets you take a single Ministorum priest, as well as a new detachment for the girls in armor called the “Vestal Task Force”. Which has the ability to give all units in the detachment the ability to reroll any saving throws of 1 once in a game. Awesome! You are forced to take a compulsory elite option, but it isn’t all that bad because GW gave the sisters access to Deathcult Assassins, Crusaders, and Arco-Flagellents. Other then one minor detail, this section is a copy of the Adepta Sororitas codex, with some updated verbage to make rules clearer.
So one small formation to help Inquisitor get at least an invulnerable and one to allow re-rolls of armour saves of 1 - once per game - all very depressing.
Mr Morden wrote: According to the reviews of the book, including the Frontline gaming one I linked to - they are not true. The only one close is the bodyguard one.
So one small formation to help Inquisitor get at least an invulnerable and one to allow re-rolls of armour saves of 1 - once per game - all very depressing.
This the review from the dude who thinks War Conclaves are a new addition? Not sure how much stock I'm putting in that, to be honest.
Mr Morden wrote: According to the reviews of the book, including the Frontline gaming one I linked to - they are not true. The only one close is the bodyguard one.
So one small formation to help Inquisitor get at least an invulnerable and one to allow re-rolls of armour saves of 1 - once per game - all very depressing.
This the review from the dude who thinks War Conclaves are a new addition? Not sure how much stock I'm putting in that, to be honest.
I think he was trying to be positive.
The other formations mentioned look awesome.............wishlisting - if it was a power dex codex then yeah absolutely, but its not.
So for sisters players this codex is basically codex: battle sisters + some other stuff? Except its actually really just a supplement to the 6th edition digital dex? Except that we actually somehow manage to loose a unit while changing nothing else other than adding a decurion (maybe?) ?
I was ok with buying a new inquisition codex that had one or two units tacked on, but I can't support GW's treatment of sisters like that. They were on a roll lately but this seems like 5 steps back, wthGW?
Roknar wrote: So for sisters players this codex is basically codex: battle sisters + some other stuff? Except its actually really just a supplement to the 6th edition digital dex? Except that we actually somehow manage to loose a unit while changing nothing else other than adding a decurion (maybe?) ?
I was ok with buying a new inquisition codex that had one or two units tacked on, but I can't support GW's treatment of sisters like that. They were on a roll lately but this seems like 5 steps back, wthGW?
Suppose we should've expected this, if you think about it. They've released Wrath of Magnus and Traitor Legions in the last fortnight, which suggests these three books were in development at the same time. The first two appear to have received a great deal of attention. The third, maybe not so much.
Still hoping against hope there's a Rets-only Formation in the book, or indeed anything that isn't utter trash, but I'm not pre-ordering anything just in case.
Which is cool, because I felt like that book was not a terrible base for a faction, and just needed a few more rules and units to really become viable at the competitive-casual level.
And so that's exactly what appear not have done.
Going back to Death Cult Assassins - from reading other sites I think the CIA book has them as no faction that you can slot in which may be where he is confusing the "upgrade" to Sisters.
There are no Lords of War in the Imperial Agents book, right?
For those still hoping for a Jan/Feb sisters codex, we may have hope that Celestine Living Saint will appear as a Lord of War at that time.
Though, my take away from this is that even if Sisters get a new codex in 2 months, the rules will not be significantly different than the Digital/Imperial Agents. Which isn't bad.
I might only abuse the codex as a way to ally Dreadknights into my already existing and not jacked up Sisters list. If I don't buy the new codex I can't be told I need to use them under GW rules.
I don't get that "competitive-casual" thing at all. Mech Sisters had hard counters in Scatbike Eldar and Riptide/ Stormsurge Tau, or indeed anything else that could dismount them early, but pound for pound they were easily a match for most of the Gladius armies I see. A few more rules to patch up their reliance on vehicles and they could've been genuine contenders, I think.
But that's not what we appear to have gotten. I'll reserve judgement until I see the formations, but I'm not pre-ordering anything, not even the extra Immolators I promised myself if they ever came back into the store.
As the old saying goes, hope is the first step on the road to disappointment. Even I got a little bit excited that GW might have made something meaningful, but as always, they didn't.
I'm curious, does this book now replace the current E-Dex for SOB? Can you choose which to use? So much info that;s not out there that makes a huge difference on whether to pre-order this
BBAP wrote: They've released Wrath of Magnus and Traitor Legions in the last fortnight, which suggests these three books were in development at the same time. The first two appear to have received a great deal of attention. The third, maybe not so much.
I just can't figure out what the purpose of it is.
I mean it seems obvious: An allies book with a touch of bits of armies from here and there, so Marine/Guard/AdMech armies can add a little bit extra without having another army added on - just a squad or an HQ or whatever - and allow players to do what we see in the artwork all the time.
But the actual book doesn't appear to service that need. Why go to the trouble of putting this book together if it has seemly no miniature support. So much of the Inquisitorial line isn't on sale any more, and they're putting up ancient SoBs models that no one wants at ludicrous prices (AUD$180 for 10 Seraphim GW? AUD$140 for a regular SoB squad? $14 per model? Really?). And the fething Dreadknight's in it! Grr!
Unless... someone mentioned that there are no Servo-Skulls in the book. I can't seem to find any Servo-Skulls available for sale on the GW website.
Has no model/no rules struck again, and this book is clearing house on old stuff they don't sell any more?
As per the current codex with the following alterations:
- No Celestine
- The loss of the Ecclesiastical Conclave mini Inquisitorial retinue unit.
+ Squads of Death Cult Assassins, Crusaders, and Flagellants in elites.
+ Two formations, one of which is for a whole army of sisters and allows once per game re-rolling of ones to save.
I'm rather non-plussed - we don't need three more close combat units with no real delivery system - and the loss of celestine is a blow.
However, the large formation could make up for this, but it will mean we loose access to the forge world flyers if we want to run that formation - to me the exact wording of that formation is the key to wither this is a worthwhile codex or a total bust.
It will also be interesting to know what the deal is with the other elements and how they ally. I assume peaple who want to run deathcults and crusaders will be still better off doing so with an inquisitor in a land raider as allies, then selecting them from the sisters list.
but seriously agreed - this whole thing smacks of a combination of disinterest from the rules side of things - but like Shield of Baal - lets write load so cool Sisters stuff, get some cool art and then the rules guys can have a field day.
Rules guys: nope.
I don't get why the whole thing is not Faction: Agents of the Imperium, would have solved lots of issues.
Commisar wrote: It *seems* like the situation for sisters is:
As per the current codex with the following alterations:
- No Celestine
- The loss of the Ecclesiastical Conclave mini Inquisitorial retinue unit.
+ Squads of Death Cult Assassins, Crusaders, and Flagellants in elites.
+ Two formations, one of which is for a whole army of sisters and allows once per game re-rolling of ones to save.
I'm rather non-plussed - we don't need three more close combat units with no real delivery system - and the loss of celestine is a blow.
However, the large formation could make up for this, but it will mean we loose access to the forge world flyers if we want to run that formation - to me the exact wording of that formation is the key to wither this is a worthwhile codex or a total bust.
It will also be interesting to know what the deal is with the other elements and how they ally. I assume peaple who want to run deathcults and crusaders will be still better off doing so with an inquisitor in a land raider as allies, then selecting them from the sisters list.
They have always had access to these so that leaves only 2 formations...
Commisar wrote: It *seems* like the situation for sisters is:
As per the current codex with the following alterations:
- No Celestine
- The loss of the Ecclesiastical Conclave mini Inquisitorial retinue unit.
+ Squads of Death Cult Assassins, Crusaders, and Flagellants in elites.
+ Two formations, one of which is for a whole army of sisters and allows once per game re-rolling of ones to save.
I'm rather non-plussed - we don't need three more close combat units with no real delivery system - and the loss of celestine is a blow.
However, the large formation could make up for this, but it will mean we loose access to the forge world flyers if we want to run that formation - to me the exact wording of that formation is the key to wither this is a worthwhile codex or a total bust.
It will also be interesting to know what the deal is with the other elements and how they ally. I assume peaple who want to run deathcults and crusaders will be still better off doing so with an inquisitor in a land raider as allies, then selecting them from the sisters list.
They have always had access to these so that leaves only 2 formations...
Sort of, what we have at the moment is a non-FOC slot occupying battle conclave that can include a mixture of those three units and requires a priest to unlock.
My reading of the last leak posted leads me to beleave that that unit may be gone, and have been replaced with three new elites choices. Death Cult Assassins, Crusaders and Arco Flagellants. - the website said these could be used to forfill an elites requirement.
It's not really a good thing, but it does represent a material change if true.
Also, Atia responded to a question on her blog and said plastic sisters are coming with no timeline. I believe the only rumors we have about them with a timeline are from click bait now though.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Has no model/no rules struck again, and this book is clearing house on old stuff they don't sell any more?
The SoB stuff is all back up and Celestine seems to have come off sale solely because the book came out, so I dunno if it's that. I think it's one of two things, neither mutually exclusive:
- It's something they farted out pre-Chrimbo to snatch a bit of cash from people uninterested in the Chaos stuff.
- It smells like yet another fething supplement aimed at Marines players. No more Servo Skulls, but here's easy access to Valkyries and Priests and DCAs and whatnot, now with no tax so you can run them alongside your Gladius! Hooray for Marines!
pretre wrote: I'm going to stay positive until we get more info.
I'm not dismissing it out of hand, but I'm sure as gak not pre-ordering it.
Also, those formation details were from 4chan and almost certainly fake.
Shame, that. GW should maybe get those dudes to write the next Sisters book they put out.
This just seems like a really poorly done book. I don't really get the point of it. You still can't put units in other peoples transports as far as we can tell, sisters lost their only decent hq option, inquisitors lose servo skulls which was their best piece of wargear, the whole thing doesn't make any sense.
I wish the reviews were more detailed or done by people who know literally anything about the armies so we could get a decent fething idea of how this thing actually works.
Commisar wrote: Sort of, what we have at the moment is a non-FOC slot occupying battle conclave that can include a mixture of those three units and requires a priest to unlock.
My reading of the last leak posted leads me to beleave that that unit may be gone, and have been replaced with three new elites choices. Death Cult Assassins, Crusaders and Arco Flagellants. - the website said these could be used to forfill an elites requirement.
It's not really a good thing, but it does represent a material change if true.
So you no longer need a Priest to unlock a unit that only functions properly (or rather, at all) with a Priest in it, and now, instead of mixing Crusaders, Arcoflagellants and DCAs, you take one or the other in three seperate squads?
Commisar wrote: Sort of, what we have at the moment is a non-FOC slot occupying battle conclave that can include a mixture of those three units and requires a priest to unlock.
My reading of the last leak posted leads me to beleave that that unit may be gone, and have been replaced with three new elites choices. Death Cult Assassins, Crusaders and Arco Flagellants. - the website said these could be used to forfill an elites requirement.
It's not really a good thing, but it does represent a material change if true.
So you no longer need a Priest to unlock a unit that only functions properly (or rather, at all) with a Priest in it, and now, instead of mixing Crusaders, Arcoflagellants and DCAs, you take one or the other in three seperate squads?
Innovation right there, folks.
That is pretty funny, crusaders are only good because they can have deathcult for killin and preists for reroll saves, deathcult are only good because they have crusaders for tanking and preists for reroll wounds. Breaking up that squad just make deathcult subpar repentia and crusaders basically just stormshields wandering around.
I think people have to except that this is it for SoB it is basicly in this book so that GW can continue to say they will never squat a whole army again.
Also true story - Squats outsold SoB and they got fed to the nids, just be thankful that the whole force did not get used for deodorant for the GK.
Saying that there is an upcoming storyline which is taylor made to take SoB out back and put them out of our misery.
When the loyalist primarchs and maybe even the big man himself arrive back. How are they going to feel about a bunch of religous fanatics who can use sorcery running around the place. I am just saying it is lucky they like cleansing flame.
According to the B&C review, Deathcult Assassins, Crusaders and Arco-flagellants are separate units, but you can also take them together as a formation with a Priest to create a Battle Conclave. So I expect the unit versions to be 1+ like the Deathwatch specialists.
I'm interested to see how they handle Inquisitorial Henchmen given this though...
Also true story - Squats outsold SoB and they got fed to the nids, just be thankful that the whole force did not get used for deodorant for the GK.
Squats hadn't been sold for over a decade when they were officially written out of the setting. I don't even think Squats and SoB ever co-existed. If Squats were sold post-1997, it was solely through mail order and you'd have to have asked nicely.
SeanDrake wrote: When the loyalist primarchs and maybe even the big man himself arrive back. How are they going to feel about a bunch of religous fanatics who can use sorcery running around the place. I am just saying it is lucky they like cleansing flame.
To be perfectly honest I'm fething sick of the Primarchs already and they haven't even arrived yet. If "more Marines, but bigger" turns out to be the next great leap in the 40k narrative then Sisters of Battle won't be the only ones leaving the setting.
Also true story - Squats outsold SoB and they got fed to the nids, just be thankful that the whole force did not get used for deodorant for the GK.
Squats hadn't been sold for over a decade when they were officially written out of the setting. I don't even think Squats and SoB ever co-existed. If Squats were sold post-1997, it was solely through mail order and you'd have to have asked nicely.
Squats were no longer sold when I started playing WH40k in 1994. Their only 2nd edition reference was the 2nd Edition black book army list when they did the rules reset from Rogue Trader. By the time women in scantily clad power armor showed up, the squats were not an army or really in the fluff. Eventually in 3rd edition they were called a humans akin to the ratling snipers from the IG.
So the real reason VeteranNoob hasn't given us as much information as he did for TL is because full disclosure would ensure no pre-orders for what sounds like a massive jumbled flop of a mess of a half-thought out Codex. At least by limiting spoilers GW have ensured a few people will throw money away for a pile of trash rather than nobody.
Loopstah wrote: So the real reason VeteranNoob hasn't given us as much information as he did for TL is because full disclosure would ensure no pre-orders for what sounds like a massive jumbled flop of a mess of a half-thought out Codex. At least by limiting spoilers GW have ensured a few people will throw money away for a pile of trash rather than nobody.
What works for Creative Assembly will work for GW!
Hey. I didn't drop the review here because I expected questions I probably shouldn't/couldn't answer and that would just be more frustrating. It's clearly obvious I revealed waaaaay too much last time and needed to make sure I don't lose my agreement with GW. May have scaled it back too much, dunno. Spent more time cutting than writing, actually. With TL I was nervous, then saw other reviews revealing even more, then nervous again, then people took and leaked actual pics so it didn't matter anymore. But yes, I had a conversation and to be fair, I understand where they're coming from. Still need some surprises for people who buy the book.
I'll watch other reviews this weekend and see what they say, but if this helps...these are not replacements for your dexes, they're just some options, especially if you have some models or want to field a fun small ally detachment or bespoke army. Not OP, imo, but the reserves rolls and psykers can be quite nice.
Thommy H wrote: According to the B&C review, Deathcult Assassins, Crusaders and Arco-flagellants are separate units, but you can also take them together as a formation with a Priest to create a Battle Conclave. So I expect the unit versions to be 1+ like the Deathwatch specialists.
I'm interested to see how they handle Inquisitorial Henchmen given this though...
VeteranNoob wrote: Hey. I didn't drop the review here because I expected questions I probably shouldn't/couldn't answer and that would just be more frustrating. It's clearly obvious I revealed waaaaay too much last time and needed to make sure I don't lose my agreement with GW. May have scaled it back too much, dunno. Spent more time cutting than writing, actually. With TL I was nervous, then saw other reviews revealing even more, then nervous again, then people took and leaked actual pics so it didn't matter anymore. But yes, I had a conversation and to be fair, I understand where they're coming from. Still need some surprises for people who buy the book.
I'll watch other reviews this weekend and see what they say, but if this helps...these are not replacements for your dexes, they're just some options, especially if you have some models or want to field a fun small ally detachment or bespoke army. Not OP, imo, but the reserves rolls and psykers can be quite nice.
Thanks Vet - totally understand you position - its hard being kinda offical - thanks for all the info so far:
Any of the following would be helpful for many of us how are dismayed/ uncertain about what has been revealed:
Does the CIA Codex replace the Adepta Sorroitas Codex - importantly is this stated anywhere.
Do the Sister keep Shield of Fauth as a general rule across their army
Any word on the new Canoness statss
Any way for Inquisitors to use the various transport options in the CIA dex
thanks
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: Celestine wasn't even good. I don't know what the complaint is.
If those formations I saw earlier are correct it does some fixing that you guys didn't really need, so you should be happy instead of griping.
Yes she was good, think about removing Tigerus, Farsight or Eldread etc and see what would have happened.
No they don;t exisit - if it was Eldar/Necron/Tau or Marine - they would have been. There are apparently two formations - one to give attached IC's shield of Faith and the other to allow a single re-roll of 1's on armour saves - hardly in keeping with the usual Codex boosts.
I guess it's good news this codex doesn't invalidate codex adeptus sororitas as Saint Celestine is still a valid unit.
Hopefully the plastic sisters rumour are still true and thus a sisters codex is imminent and we get a new Saint Celestine model. She may not be the best HQ in the game but she was decent and really brought out the theme of battle sisters and tidier religious fanaticism.
VeteranNoob wrote: I'll watch other reviews this weekend and see what they say, but if this helps...these are not replacements for your dexes, they're just some options
C:AS is still usable, then? Might not be so bad after all.
- It smells like yet another fething supplement aimed at Marines players. No more Servo Skulls, but here's easy access to Valkyries and Priests and DCAs and whatnot, now with no tax so you can run them alongside your Gladius! Hooray for Marines!
If it's really divided into factions ( i doubt it, but possible), then it doesn't even do that. Those valkyries are worse vendettas in that case since nobody can use them, not even the units in the CODEX it's in ^_-
It seems like a complete mess of a book right now. And for sister's it's all but an official "we don't care anymore" stamp. I thought we'd get a codex around february maybe, but now that this has the whole army, why would they go and make a new sisters codex or updated army rules now that this has them. And a decurion doesn't fix a footslogging hatred once a game canoness.
And a proposition for veteranNoob. Maybe you could split you're reviews into previews the day preorders go live and an actual review the week later? The preview could perhaps reveal "small" things like whether or not these are actually different factions.
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: Celestine wasn't even good. I don't know what the complaint is.
She was good. She wasn't necessary to the army, but she was a decent scrapper and had been around since 3rd Edition so she had some provenance. People were sad to see her go.
Not me, I didn't care either way, but I can understand why people were annoyed.
If those formations I saw earlier are correct
They're not.
it does some fixing that you guys didn't really need,
Makes Sisters better at what they do and removes the tax from some of their better units, so they become more functional as Allies. Again, not "needed", but it's the kind of thing you expect devs to do for armies in their game system. The bare minimum you should expect, actually.
so you should be happy instead of griping.
If gak sucks, you should gripe. If you don't like to read the griping, go somewhere else. Nobody's compelled to provide content to your exacting standards or respect your precious little sensibilities.
- It smells like yet another fething supplement aimed at Marines players. No more Servo Skulls, but here's easy access to Valkyries and Priests and DCAs and whatnot, now with no tax so you can run them alongside your Gladius! Hooray for Marines!
If it's really divided into factions ( i doubt it, but possible), then it doesn't even do that. Those valkyries are worse vendettas in that case since nobody can use them, not even the units in the CODEX it's in ^_-
It seems like a complete mess of a book right now. And for sister's it's all but an official "we don't care anymore" stamp. I thought we'd get a codex around february maybe, but now that this has the whole army, why would they go and make a new sisters codex or updated army rules now that this has them. And a decurion doesn't fix a footslogging hatred once a game canoness.
Over the past year they released the updated black legion and crimson slaughter rules, traitors hate which if im not mistaken also has the combined black legion and crimson slaughter rules, and then have wrath of magnus followed a week or two later by Traitor Legions book. GW is not afraid to shot gun blast out supplements and books with mass redundancy because GW's writing department is a cluster feth. No reason why GW couldn't and/or wouldn't do the same with a Sisters codex a few weeks/months after the Inq book.
MadCowCrazy wrote:Rending for one phase once per game... wow?
Up to three times per game IIRC with a Simulacrum and Uriah.
Thraxas Of Turai wrote:Well Canoness Veridyan is already temporarily out of stock in the UK. The pre orders were actually up at around 9.55 UK time.
They were up at the same time in Germany and Veridyan is still available here, so if those don't get sold maybe they will be made available for others.
Roknar wrote: If it's really divided into factions ( i doubt it, but possible), then it doesn't even do that. Those valkyries are worse vendettas in that case since nobody can use them, not even the units in the CODEX it's in ^_-
To be honest I was confusing them with Vendettas, thinking "hey, maybe it's not so bad after all because at least you get the lascannons" - but nope, you don't even get that.
Oh deary me.
And for sister's it's all but an official "we don't care anymore" stamp.
Starting to feel that way, although the old Codex doesn't seem to have been zapped yet so there's still some hope.
Some. Not much.
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Vankraken wrote: Over the past year they released the updated black legion and crimson slaughter rules, traitors hate which if im not mistaken also has the combined black legion and crimson slaughter rules, and then have wrath of magnus followed a week or two later by Traitor Legions book. GW is not afraid to shot gun blast out supplements and books with mass redundancy because GW's writing department is a cluster feth. No reason why GW couldn't and/or wouldn't do the same with a Sisters codex a few weeks/months after the Inq book.
I'm kinda thinking this myself now, and I'm also thinking they're keeping it under wraps because they want people to buy this book and nobody's going to do that if there's another Sisters Codex around the corner.
- It smells like yet another fething supplement aimed at Marines players. No more Servo Skulls, but here's easy access to Valkyries and Priests and DCAs and whatnot, now with no tax so you can run them alongside your Gladius! Hooray for Marines!
If it's really divided into factions ( i doubt it, but possible), then it doesn't even do that. Those valkyries are worse vendettas in that case since nobody can use them, not even the units in the CODEX it's in ^_-
It seems like a complete mess of a book right now. And for sister's it's all but an official "we don't care anymore" stamp. I thought we'd get a codex around february maybe, but now that this has the whole army, why would they go and make a new sisters codex or updated army rules now that this has them. And a decurion doesn't fix a footslogging hatred once a game canoness.
Over the past year they released the updated black legion and crimson slaughter rules, traitors hate which if im not mistaken also has the combined black legion and crimson slaughter rules, and then have wrath of magnus followed a week or two later by Traitor Legions book. GW is not afraid to shot gun blast out supplements and books with mass redundancy because GW's writing department is a cluster feth. No reason why GW couldn't and/or wouldn't do the same with a Sisters codex a few weeks/months after the Inq book.
Yea and they're full of copy & pasted content. They don't even bother to check if the copied content even still works with the rest of the book sometimes. I wouldn't be surprised to see a sisters codex in february, that wasn't what I meant.
I meant that they wouldn't update anything for it. They put it into a codex here and I would expect them to copy that into it's own book with no changes to them army at all. It might include the new superheavy because they haven't added one here, but that's it.
It was ok for traitor legions since that is a supplement, but this here is an actual codex. They wouldn't be copying a handful of new units like the rubric marines. This was the the chance to get new rules, it didn't happen now and I don't see that happening for a soon to follow codex.
Embrace the bitterness of 40k. Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be re-learned. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for there is no cause for hope in a better future.
Etc etc.
I'll continue to wait and see if the rumors of a sisters codex in February are correct or not. But what little hype was building up is pretty much demolished for me.
Roknar wrote: I wouldn't be surprised to see a sisters codex in february, that wasn't what I meant. I meant that they wouldn't update anything for it. They put it into a codex here and I would expect them to copy that into it's own book with no changes to them army at all. It might include the new superheavy because they haven't added one here, but that's it.
And the bubble is burst again. I was thinking "hey, maybe it'll be all new rules and there'll be cool stuff" - but on reflection this seems like the most likely outcome.
It's either going to be a cut and paste hackjob, in which case it won't bring the army up to scratch, or it's going to be a whole new revamped army not two months after they sold us all a book containing the old army list, in which case it's a cynical money-grab. I don't like either of those.
EDIT: Is there anything else coming out in February or around that time? If not they might actually devote some resources to it next time around.
- It smells like yet another fething supplement aimed at Marines players. No more Servo Skulls, but here's easy access to Valkyries and Priests and DCAs and whatnot, now with no tax so you can run them alongside your Gladius! Hooray for Marines!
If it's really divided into factions ( i doubt it, but possible), then it doesn't even do that. Those valkyries are worse vendettas in that case since nobody can use them, not even the units in the CODEX it's in ^_-
It seems like a complete mess of a book right now. And for sister's it's all but an official "we don't care anymore" stamp. I thought we'd get a codex around february maybe, but now that this has the whole army, why would they go and make a new sisters codex or updated army rules now that this has them. And a decurion doesn't fix a footslogging hatred once a game canoness.
Over the past year they released the updated black legion and crimson slaughter rules, traitors hate which if im not mistaken also has the combined black legion and crimson slaughter rules, and then have wrath of magnus followed a week or two later by Traitor Legions book. GW is not afraid to shot gun blast out supplements and books with mass redundancy because GW's writing department is a cluster feth. No reason why GW couldn't and/or wouldn't do the same with a Sisters codex a few weeks/months after the Inq book.
Yet they refuse to update the CORE of the problem which is the 6th edition CSM book. To play some armies nowadays you need 6 books, that's not a great reason to keep pumping out these supplements with no consolidation.
Went to order Canoness Veridyan but even though it says "pre-order", apparently she's not available. Combine that with what seems like another lackluster "copy/paste/delete" job on Sisters and I see 0 reason to plunk down any money on anything this release.
VeteranNoob wrote: Hey. I didn't drop the review here because I expected questions I probably shouldn't/couldn't answer and that would just be more frustrating. It's clearly obvious I revealed waaaaay too much last time and needed to make sure I don't lose my agreement with GW. May have scaled it back too much, dunno. Spent more time cutting than writing, actually. With TL I was nervous, then saw other reviews revealing even more, then nervous again, then people took and leaked actual pics so it didn't matter anymore. But yes, I had a conversation and to be fair, I understand where they're coming from. Still need some surprises for people who buy the book.
I'll watch other reviews this weekend and see what they say, but if this helps...these are not replacements for your dexes, they're just some options, especially if you have some models or want to field a fun small ally detachment or bespoke army. Not OP, imo, but the reserves rolls and psykers can be quite nice.
Thanks Vet - totally understand you position - its hard being kinda offical - thanks for all the info so far:
Any of the following would be helpful for many of us how are dismayed/ uncertain about what has been revealed:
Does the CIA Codex replace the Adepta Sorroitas Codex - importantly is this stated anywhere.
Do the Sister keep Shield of Fauth as a general rule across their army
Any word on the new Canoness statss
Any way for Inquisitors to use the various transport options in the CIA dex
thanks
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: Celestine wasn't even good. I don't know what the complaint is.
If those formations I saw earlier are correct it does some fixing that you guys didn't really need, so you should be happy instead of griping.
Yes she was good, think about removing Tigerus, Farsight or Eldread etc and see what would have happened.
No they don;t exisit - if it was Eldar/Necron/Tau or Marine - they would have been. There are apparently two formations - one to give attached IC's shield of Faith and the other to allow a single re-roll of 1's on armour saves - hardly in keeping with the usual Codex boosts.
No, she wasn't good. At all. It is more on par with removing Sicaras or Trazyn. Yeah they're nice plot devices but they aren't used in the game at all.
"Coteaz lives! I can't share his rules though. I believe this is combining the Inq codex with other Imp Agents in here.
If you want to play the current SoB dex that seems standard. This is just an option for a small and larger detachment. To me, these mostly aren't stand-alone armies, unless it's a small game. "
If GW had put some effort into the sisters part of the Codex rather than making it worse than the current one I'd have dropped a pile on rebuying my sisters army. Looks like I can put that money to better use as GW have missed the goal on this one.
Melissia wrote: Embrace the bitterness of 40k. Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be re-learned. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for there is no cause for hope in a better future.
Etc etc.
I'll continue to wait and see if the rumors of a sisters codex in February are correct or not. But what little hype was building up is pretty much demolished for me.
You spent days being adversarial to people bringing up rumors and made a point to respond to everyone about how you put no stock in rumors, now you're clinging to them because you dont like what was released.
I might remind you, I said the release would be exactly this and if they do get plastics next year it wont be more than a sisters squad to do plastics for this codex. It wasnt you specifically, but I got called a troll for it and shouted down by all the sisters players currently complaining about getting pretty much what I predicted.
So, not to say I told you so, but I told you so.
There was literally 0 point to this post. Screaming nani-nani booboo when something bad happens to someone else is what children do. You won, congratulations You're sooooooo super special-snowflake smart! Now go away.
pretre wrote: "[...] If you want to play the current SoB dex that seems standard. This is just an option for a small and larger detachment. To me, these mostly aren't stand-alone armies, unless it's a small game. "
That was my guess a few days ago. Looks like my prediction is holding strong.
edit: Just report the posts of the people that can't stay on topic and instead have to complain about the people who are actually staying on topic, and if it bothers you, put them on ignore. They're not worth responding to and they have nothing of value to add to Dakka, so it's really not worth giving them attention.
She was. Or rather, she **is**, considering the old Dex remains valid. I'd never take stuff out of an army to fit her in, but if I had the points spare and somewhere for her to be, I'd take her.
And I still can, because the old Dex isn't scupped by this new book. Which means the entirety of your initial reply was completely irrelevant.
Melissia wrote: Embrace the bitterness of 40k. Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be re-learned. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for there is no cause for hope in a better future.
Etc etc.
I'll continue to wait and see if the rumors of a sisters codex in February are correct or not. But what little hype was building up is pretty much demolished for me.
You spent days being adversarial to people bringing up rumors and made a point to respond to everyone about how you put no stock in rumors, now you're clinging to them because you dont like what was released.
I might remind you, I said the release would be exactly this and if they do get plastics next year it wont be more than a sisters squad to do plastics for this codex. It wasnt you specifically, but I got called a troll for it and shouted down by all the sisters players currently complaining about getting pretty much what I predicted.
So, not to say I told you so, but I told you so.
There was literally 0 point to this post. Screaming nani-nani booboo when something bad happens to someone else is what children do. You won, congratulations You're sooooooo super special-snowflake smart! Now go away.
Well I actually came here originally to discuss the Imperial Agent codex since Im interested in it, but nearly all the the conversation has been taken over by a handful of people complaining about what they didn't get.
You want to talk about children, there are plenty of them in this thread long before I got here.
This was never going to be a Sisters codex and acting like it was and taking over the thread to rant about it is pointless. Im hardly the first person here to point out how ridiculous it is.
Unless I'm mistaken, people wishing to play a Sisters army must play by the list in Codex: Imperial Agents, correct? I couldn't find the Sisters eDex available for sale on GW's website, so that means a one-for-one replacement.
Starfarer wrote: This was never going to be a Sisters codex and acting like it was and taking over the thread to rant about it is pointless. Im hardly the first person here to point out how ridiculous it is.
We found out Sisters were going to be in this book weeks ago, and before that we had rumours of a Sisters refresh. Expecting this to have been an update for Sisters doesn't seem unreasonable given that information. It wasn't a Sisters Codex, but it was always going to be a Codex with Sisters in it, hence Sisters players are discussing it. The fact it's disappointing is likewise pertinent. Maybe if we'd listened to you, wise sage that you turned out to be in hindsight, we would've been disappointed earlier and could've gotten all this griping out the way - but why the feth would we listen to you? This is the first time I've seen your username pop up in this thread and I'm sick of you already. If you were this supercillious when making your initial predictions then it's small wonder nobody paid you any mind.
As for shouting over the thread - if you're aggrieved that you can't talk about the piffling Inquisitorial crap or the Arbites or whatever because of all the Sisters discussion, go and start a new thread about those sub-factions. See how long before it falls off the forums because nobody cares about that stuff. I don't think you are, though. I think you just want ass-pats for being "right". You can't have them. Go away.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: So I haven't really been following this epically fast growing thread, does this mean we think we won't be getting plastic Sisters given they've just reboxed the existing metals and released a resin character model?
Pretty much. 10 Seraphim are $110 USD, where the unit used to be 5 models. Basic squad of 10 girls is now an even $80.00, up 50 cents from $79.50. OTOH, basic girls are $35 for 5 - a mere $7 each.
Interestingly, it doesn't specify material for Seraphim, where the regular squad is still spec'd as metal. Are Serpahim now "Finecast", and GW just not going to tell us? Inquiring minds want to know!
In any case, it's a darn good thing that I already own enough Sisters.
She was. Or rather, she **is**, considering the old Dex remains valid. I'd never take stuff out of an army to fit her in, but if I had the points spare and somewhere for her to be, I'd take her.
And I still can, because the old Dex isn't scupped by this new book. Which means the entirety of your initial reply was completely irrelevant.
To make the army any good you don't want her. She's a lone target that wants to go into melee in an army that doesn't want to do that.
You got people saying Sisters aren't a good army when in fact they're at least middle tier and have the issues of being mono build and being expensive through GW.
Your logic is deeply flawed. Just because a lot of Sisters units don't want to go in to melee doesn't mean EVERY sister unit has to stay out of melee. In fact, there's some real benefit to having a unit that wants to get stuck in melee to tie up an enemy unit, only to die and be reborn afterwards to do it again and again.
Melissia wrote: Your logic is deeply flawed. Just because a lot of Sisters units don't want to go in to melee doesn't mean EVERY sister unit has to stay out of melee. In fact, there's some real benefit to having a unit that wants to get stuck in melee to tie up an enemy unit, only to die and be reborn afterwards to do it again and again.
"...die and be reborn afterwards to do it AGAIN." Full stop. Once. She can do it only once. And half the crap you can engage with her that you want to tie up..just instant deaths her with S6+. She's horrible to use against anything but generic squads that you could just boltgun to death.
Starfarer wrote: This was never going to be a Sisters codex and acting like it was and taking over the thread to rant about it is pointless. Im hardly the first person here to point out how ridiculous it is.
We found out Sisters were going to be in this book weeks ago, and before that we had rumours of a Sisters refresh. Expecting this to have been an update for Sisters doesn't seem unreasonable given that information. It wasn't a Sisters Codex, but it was always going to be a Codex with Sisters in it, hence Sisters players are discussing it. The fact it's disappointing is likewise pertinent. Maybe if we'd listened to you, wise sage that you turned out to be in hindsight, we would've been disappointed earlier and could've gotten all this griping out the way - but why the feth would we listen to you? This is the first time I've seen your username pop up in this thread and I'm sick of you already. If you were this supercillious when making your initial predictions then it's small wonder nobody paid you any mind.
As for shouting over the thread - if you're aggrieved that you can't talk about the piffling Inquisitorial crap or the Arbites or whatever because of all the Sisters discussion, go and start a new thread about those sub-factions. See how long before it falls off the forums because nobody cares about that stuff. I don't think you are, though. I think you just want ass-pats for being "right". You can't have them. Go away.
Oh look, another Sisters player lashing out at anyone they can because they're so hellbent on playing the victim they can't get over the fact they play a neglected, largely irrelevant faction in a game. First you attacked all the Chaos players in this thread when it was a joint thread, and drove them off. Then you attacked anyone who told with what this codex would be, not because they had special insight, but because it was freaking common sense. With them driven off you attacked GSC players for having the audacity to get an update before you. Now you want to attack every other sub faction of the Imperium too.
Maybe the solution isn't for the rest of us to go form our own threads but to create a special thread for all 8 of you Sisters players here hellbent on being miserable. You can whine to your heart's content and not suck the life out of every other thread on this board that's not about you.
I am not sure that this is not designed to be a replacement for Codex Adepta Sororitas. I mean obviously, you can keep using whatever rules you want so long as your opponent agrees.
But it seems sensible to assume GW has done this to bring a raft of digital only books into the physical relm.
(Sisters, Inquisitors, Legion of the Dammed, Assassins)
Personally I'm going to update my (some 3000 points of) sisters of battle to use the new army list, whatever it brings, because I don't want to confuse my opponent and have to have a conversation about the historical context of various rule book releases every time I play a pick up game.
Yeah. It sucks that it's basically the same rules with changes that make the rules worse. However I actually feel worse for people that were making an army out of the Inquisitorial stuff primarily. Seems like the Inquisitorial Retenue units work (and by extention our battle conclaves) is the thing most up in the air - and some peaple had entire converted armys based around that inquisitorial stuff.
And, we can still hold out hope that the "big formation" for Sisters will be good.
I do really hope that if/when the sisters get plastic stuff that an update is pushed out. If Penitent Engines aren't already being updated in this codex, they could really fix a bunch of the CQC issues people feel are plaguing Sisters. They're big, scary, and fairly great at CC once they get in. Right now they just have the issue of being REALLY TERRIBLE WALKERS. Once they get into combat though, they tie up groups or destroy them outright and let the sisters get into rapid fire range or into general firing range.
If not..well..like I've said before, this codex gives SoB a chance to use Dreadknights which are everything a Penitent Engine should be (minus the teleporting and multitude of weapon options of course).
A few small changes here and there suddenly makes a unit great. But we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
As a side note, the new super formation that gives the army a once per game reroll of all 1s to save...yeah please hire a new team GW. That's so incredibly worthless unless you're for some reason running a full footslogging Sisters army and you want to not take any casualties on turn one.
The inq codex is still for sale, this was added to he description .
GW site wrote: The rules in this eBook are also available in Codex: Imperial Agents, fully revised and updated along with new detachments plus rules for adding even more servants of the Emperor to your army.
So it appears to be all there with the FAQ included and hard cover. I'll take it, even they have added some puritan space nuns.
They likely did this because 8th is right around the corner and supposed to be releasing early in 2017. I suspect sisters will be one of the first 8th codices released if we even need codices. In AoS there are warscrolls and one big book for points costs and then the free main rules. Although they have been starting to do army books with unique formations benefits so it's all up in the air as to how GW want to approach this.
If that BOLS/Feait rumor is right about Sisters vs Xenos then it couldn't be the Necrons like someone suggested earlier. They said it was not able to be identified from the sprue. So could it be a new xenos? Or did the viewer just misidentify an existing xenos? Also if it is an existing one what could it be?
Honestly I don't think it is, but just wanted to mention this.
Bols rumors should have warning lethal salt dose required honestly.
I would say a starter set not to include SM would be extremely unlikely, to the point I would be willing to bet heavily against it.
While personally I would love a new Xenos vs Sisters set ( Q'orl who have a larger empire than the Tau spring to mind, as do Demiurg, Hrud, and Tallerians )
But really. Nope Don't see it . Unless its the started of themed boxes for historical campaigns, and or new Battles. Which would be awesome. But again I do not see it Happening, everything has to be SM of some flavor, sorry lets rip that bandage off right now, it is better for all of us.
Couldn't get the Cannoness. ill wait a few weeks then.
Also true story - Squats outsold SoB and they got fed to the nids, just be thankful that the whole force did not get used for deodorant for the GK.
Squats hadn't been sold for over a decade when they were officially written out of the setting. I don't even think Squats and SoB ever co-existed. If Squats were sold post-1997, it was solely through mail order and you'd have to have asked nicely.
Squats were no longer sold when I started playing WH40k in 1994. Their only 2nd edition reference was the 2nd Edition black book army list when they did the rules reset from Rogue Trader. By the time women in scantily clad power armor showed up, the squats were not an army or really in the fluff. Eventually in 3rd edition they were called a humans akin to the ratling snipers from the IG.
Sorry should make my point more clear Squats were an actual profitable faction killed off because no one in the studio wanted to work on them.
SoB sales or the lack there of was the main reason we had to wait a decade for Deathwatch. When they went to finecast gw still had SoB metals produced for there launch.
Basicly SoB are an unprofitable faction not killed off because GW pledged never to squat another faction.
Squats weren't officially "killed off" until long, long after they'd been phased out of general sale though. Neither were SoB ever discontinued - they've just always been a pretty minor faction.
I am not sure that this is not designed to be a replacement for Codex Adepta Sororitas.
If GW removes C:AS from their website, this will be its replacement. But until then, C:AS is the full book and this is merely a supplement for allies purposes.
Also true story - Squats outsold SoB and they got fed to the nids, just be thankful that the whole force did not get used for deodorant for the GK.
Squats hadn't been sold for over a decade when they were officially written out of the setting. I don't even think Squats and SoB ever co-existed. If Squats were sold post-1997, it was solely through mail order and you'd have to have asked nicely.
Squats were no longer sold when I started playing WH40k in 1994. Their only 2nd edition reference was the 2nd Edition black book army list when they did the rules reset from Rogue Trader. By the time women in scantily clad power armor showed up, the squats were not an army or really in the fluff. Eventually in 3rd edition they were called a humans akin to the ratling snipers from the IG.
Sorry should make my point more clear Squats were an actual profitable faction killed off because no one in the studio wanted to work on them.
SoB sales or the lack there of was the main reason we had to wait a decade for Deathwatch. When they went to finecast gw still had SoB metals produced for there launch.
Basicly SoB are an unprofitable faction not killed off because GW pledged never to squat another faction.
You know another faction that wasn't profitable? Dark Eldar. Then they get a huge revamp with a load of incredible kits and new rules and they became a huge seller, before GW kicked them in their nuts with the changes to the game and their codex in 6th/7th.
dan2026 wrote: Does GW expect anyone to buy sisters models at those prices.
10 basic sisters are £50 here in the UK!
I don't understand what GW is doing. They were quietly hyping everyone up for a big sisters revamp and now the hype bubble just exploded.
I want to start a sisters army, but I just don't understand what is happening.
And I can't afford those ancient metal models.
Were they hyping people up or were people hyping themselves up?
Well GW said that a new book was being produced that included a number of minor factions and individual units to allow for more fluffy allies. One of the minor factions mentioned was SoB. So naturally within 24 hours it was releasing with a new plastic sisters box and plastic Cannoness as that would be a good basis for allies, at 48 hours it was a new codex SoB in disguise with at least the 2 mentioned plastics, after a week it was the new power codex that had to be better than Marines have a full new range of plastics a dozen formations and so on.
dan2026 wrote: Does GW expect anyone to buy sisters models at those prices.
10 basic sisters are £50 here in the UK!
I don't understand what GW is doing. They were quietly hyping everyone up for a big sisters revamp and now the hype bubble just exploded.
I want to start a sisters army, but I just don't understand what is happening.
And I can't afford those ancient metal models.
Were they hyping people up or were people hyping themselves up?
Well GW said that a new book was being produced that included a number of minor factions and individual units to allow for more fluffy allies. One of the minor factions mentioned was SoB. So naturally within 24 hours it was releasing with a new plastic sisters box and plastic Cannoness as that would be a good basis for allies, at 48 hours it was a new codex SoB in disguise with at least the 2 mentioned plastics, after a week it was the new power codex that had to be better than Marines have a full new range of plastics a dozen formations and so on.
So definitely GW's fault
Who mentioned Power dexes? Who would dare even to dream of dexes to match the Astartes - or mutliple dexes to try and match their infinite "variety" Why exactly are only certain factions allowed power dexes?
the CIA Codex was initally touted as a way to allow the deployment of Imperial agents and small detachments alongside the regular Imperial forces.
Then a single model was chosen to signify the new codex - oh its a Sister of battle - well thats good - maybe the Codex will not just be small detachment but some actual new stuf - you know like everyone else gets.
Oh wow the entire SOB arm list is in there - cool not just digital
Ah - they have deleted the main signature charcacter of the faction - er ok but they have given lots of new stuff, right right ah no they have not. Awesome.
Yeah that the fans fault for expecting more than a kick in the teeth I guess - still give more time to work n the next Marine - "maybe we should do something will all the chapters that are out there - nah just stick some wolf guy on a wolf with a wolf sword".
dan2026 wrote: Does GW expect anyone to buy sisters models at those prices.
10 basic sisters are £50 here in the UK!
I don't understand what GW is doing. They were quietly hyping everyone up for a big sisters revamp and now the hype bubble just exploded.
I want to start a sisters army, but I just don't understand what is happening.
And I can't afford those ancient metal models.
Were they hyping people up or were people hyping themselves up?
Well GW said that a new book was being produced that included a number of minor factions and individual units to allow for more fluffy allies. One of the minor factions mentioned was SoB. So naturally within 24 hours it was releasing with a new plastic sisters box and plastic Cannoness as that would be a good basis for allies, at 48 hours it was a new codex SoB in disguise with at least the 2 mentioned plastics, after a week it was the new power codex that had to be better than Marines have a full new range of plastics a dozen formations and so on.
So definitely GW's fault
the CIA Codex was initally touted as a way to allow the deployment of Imperial agents and small detachments alongside the regular Imperial forces.
Then a single model was chosen to signify the new codex - oh its a Sister of battle - well thats good - maybe the Codex will not just be small detachment but some actual new stuf - you know like everyone else gets.
Oh wow the entire SOB arm list is in there - cool not just digital
Ah - they have deleted the main signature charcacter of the faction - er ok but they have given lots of new stuff, right right ah no they have not. Awesome.
Yeah that the fans fault for expecting more than a kick in the teeth I guess
They just released a Codex supplement for Chaos Legions without any models to go along with it. Yes, Thousand Sons got models for the campaign book, but not a single model released this week alongside the legion codex.
If anyone made the assumption they would be getting a full complement of plastic models, especially for one specific faction within a codex of multiple different factions, you were setting yourself up for disappointment.
VeteranNoob said as much a week ago, and if you chose not to believe that despite him being proven correct on the Chaos Legion stuff a week earlier, then you have no one to blame but yourself for setting unrealistic expectations for this release.
If I'm not mistaken, Sad Panda or Atia said GW wasnt releasing any full codexes until after 8th edition, and would only do campaign books and supplements until then so as not to invalidate a codex so soon after a new edition.
Are players really so impatient theyll take a codex now to have it invalidated as early as June? It seems people are so emotional about it they cant even think rationally about what they're asking for. Personally I'd rather not have to listen to it in every thread for all of 8th and maybe some of 9th edition too if GW doesnt get back to them by then.
dan2026 wrote: Does GW expect anyone to buy sisters models at those prices.
10 basic sisters are £50 here in the UK!
I don't understand what GW is doing. They were quietly hyping everyone up for a big sisters revamp and now the hype bubble just exploded.
I want to start a sisters army, but I just don't understand what is happening.
And I can't afford those ancient metal models.
Were they hyping people up or were people hyping themselves up?
Well GW said that a new book was being produced that included a number of minor factions and individual units to allow for more fluffy allies. One of the minor factions mentioned was SoB. So naturally within 24 hours it was releasing with a new plastic sisters box and plastic Cannoness as that would be a good basis for allies, at 48 hours it was a new codex SoB in disguise with at least the 2 mentioned plastics, after a week it was the new power codex that had to be better than Marines have a full new range of plastics a dozen formations and so on.
So definitely GW's fault
Who mentioned Power dexes? Who would dare even to dream of dexes to match the Astartes - or mutliple dexes to try and match their infinite "variety" Why exactly are only certain factions allowed power dexes?
the CIA Codex was initally touted as a way to allow the deployment of Imperial agents and small detachments alongside the regular Imperial forces.
Then a single model was chosen to signify the new codex - oh its a Sister of battle - well thats good - maybe the Codex will not just be small detachment but some actual new stuf - you know like everyone else gets.
Oh wow the entire SOB arm list is in there - cool not just digital
Ah - they have deleted the main signature charcacter of the faction - er ok but they have given lots of new stuff, right right ah no they have not. Awesome.
Yeah that the fans fault for expecting more than a kick in the teeth I guess - still give more time to work n the next Marine - "maybe we should do something will all the chapters that are out there - nah just stick some wolf guy on a wolf with a wolf sword".
Welcome to the world of faction updates. Best get used to it after so long without one, as it's never what one wants.
dan2026 wrote: Does GW expect anyone to buy sisters models at those prices. 10 basic sisters are £50 here in the UK!
I don't understand what GW is doing. They were quietly hyping everyone up for a big sisters revamp and now the hype bubble just exploded.
I want to start a sisters army, but I just don't understand what is happening.
And I can't afford those ancient metal models.
Were they hyping people up or were people hyping themselves up?
Well GW said that a new book was being produced that included a number of minor factions and individual units to allow for more fluffy allies. One of the minor factions mentioned was SoB. So naturally within 24 hours it was releasing with a new plastic sisters box and plastic Cannoness as that would be a good basis for allies, at 48 hours it was a new codex SoB in disguise with at least the 2 mentioned plastics, after a week it was the new power codex that had to be better than Marines have a full new range of plastics a dozen formations and so on.
So definitely GW's fault
the CIA Codex was initally touted as a way to allow the deployment of Imperial agents and small detachments alongside the regular Imperial forces. Then a single model was chosen to signify the new codex - oh its a Sister of battle - well thats good - maybe the Codex will not just be small detachment but some actual new stuf - you know like everyone else gets. Oh wow the entire SOB arm list is in there - cool not just digital
Ah - they have deleted the main signature charcacter of the faction - er ok but they have given lots of new stuff, right right ah no they have not. Awesome.
Yeah that the fans fault for expecting more than a kick in the teeth I guess
They just released a Codex supplement for Chaos Legions without any models to go along with it. Yes, Thousand Sons got models for the campaign book, but not a single model released this week alongside the legion codex.
If anyone made the assumption they would be getting a full complement of plastic models, especially for one specific faction within a codex of multiple different factions, you were setting yourself up for disappointment.
VeteranNoob said as much a week ago, and if you chose not to believe that despite him being proven correct on the Chaos Legion stuff a week earlier, then you have no one to blame but yourself for setting unrealistic expectations for this release.
If I'm not mistaken, Sad Panda or Atia said GW wasnt releasing any full codexes until after 8th edition, and would only do campaign books and supplements until then so as not to invalidate a codex so soon after a new edition.
Are players really so impatient theyll take a codex now to have it invalidated as early as June? It seems people are so emotional about it they cant even think rationally about what they're asking for. Personally I'd rather not have to listen to it in every thread for all of 8th and maybe some of 9th edition too if GW doesnt get back to them by then.
Well sure, if we ignore them specifically mentioning plastic Sisters of Battle in the Warhammer TV video where they revealed Magnus.
dan2026 wrote: Does GW expect anyone to buy sisters models at those prices.
10 basic sisters are £50 here in the UK!
I don't understand what GW is doing. They were quietly hyping everyone up for a big sisters revamp and now the hype bubble just exploded.
I want to start a sisters army, but I just don't understand what is happening.
And I can't afford those ancient metal models.
Were they hyping people up or were people hyping themselves up?
Well GW said that a new book was being produced that included a number of minor factions and individual units to allow for more fluffy allies. One of the minor factions mentioned was SoB. So naturally within 24 hours it was releasing with a new plastic sisters box and plastic Cannoness as that would be a good basis for allies, at 48 hours it was a new codex SoB in disguise with at least the 2 mentioned plastics, after a week it was the new power codex that had to be better than Marines have a full new range of plastics a dozen formations and so on.
So definitely GW's fault
the CIA Codex was initally touted as a way to allow the deployment of Imperial agents and small detachments alongside the regular Imperial forces.
Then a single model was chosen to signify the new codex - oh its a Sister of battle - well thats good - maybe the Codex will not just be small detachment but some actual new stuf - you know like everyone else gets.
Oh wow the entire SOB arm list is in there - cool not just digital
Ah - they have deleted the main signature charcacter of the faction - er ok but they have given lots of new stuff, right right ah no they have not. Awesome.
Yeah that the fans fault for expecting more than a kick in the teeth I guess
They just released a Codex supplement for Chaos Legions without any models to go along with it. Yes, Thousand Sons got models for the campaign book, but not a single model released this week alongside the legion codex.
If anyone made the assumption they would be getting a full complement of plastic models, especially for one specific faction within a codex of multiple different factions, you were setting yourself up for disappointment.
VeteranNoob said as much a week ago, and if you chose not to believe that despite him being proven correct on the Chaos Legion stuff a week earlier, then you have no one to blame but yourself for setting unrealistic expectations for this release.
If I'm not mistaken, Sad Panda or Atia said GW wasnt releasing any full codexes until after 8th edition, and would only do campaign books and supplements until then so as not to invalidate a codex so soon after a new edition.
Are players really so impatient theyll take a codex now to have it invalidated as early as June? It seems people are so emotional about it they cant even think rationally about what they're asking for. Personally I'd rather not have to listen to it in every thread for all of 8th and maybe some of 9th edition too if GW doesnt get back to them by then.
Well sure, if we ignore them specifically mentioning plastic Sisters of Battle in the Warhammer TV video where they revealed Magnus.
I guess we are also ignoring the trusted rumormongers also said those weren't coming until 2017, and even then it was only a squad box and not a full range ?
What I am looking forward to is the rules for Enginseers and Servitors that have Canticles of the Omnisiah and can be taken in a Cult Mech army. This is what the army needed. It's a way to get some cheaper guys on the field to boost body count (meat shields), makes a VERY restrictive army more diverse, and is a cheaper way to add more units with Canticles so you are more likely to get benefits. Also, it keeps the Servitor theme going.
So I thought I´d chime in. I´ve been away from 40k for a long time (2nd ed forever!!) so my opinion may be hopelessly out of touch with what many of you think. But this seems like GW is testing the waters before committing to a full new SOB army with new sculpts and plastic models. Not to mention that SOBs are just about to get amazing proxies from the Raging Heroes folks. Their upcoming notSOBs look unbelievable and if I was wanting to run a SOB force I´d look to their minis rather than the chunky mcbulky power armor models GW is famous for putting out.
I understand that GW is getting better these days but if I know my GW there´s nothing they hate and fear more than competition. It makes perfect sense from my outsider pov, GW is testing the waters to see if suddenly they see a spike in the sale of SOB models to justify bringign them back with new sculpts and in plastic.
Alternatively, GW is just being GW and is using this as an opportunity to fill out a new codex book and increase its sales, while also pushing out the last of the old SOB stock.
First, SoB and especially GK and DW can use their own codex. Nothing her says it replaces. It only offers 1-2 extra detachment options, if you fancy. So SoB have datasheet to datasheet rules though this book offers other non-SoB datasheets as an option for this detachment. So nothing you have is gone.\
Like, today we discussed using SoB codex for Celestine and whatever else a standard player has, but if s(he) wants to roll with these options--maybe break out some ooooooold models or buy on demand--you can give this book a try for options. But you need not throw anything away. It seems more like customization if you want/have a small force to ally or bespoke detachments for fun.
I suspect this will be the case everywhere, but if you aren't sure, just wait to see what it offers. Undoubtedly someone will pic it but the book is out Saturday and hopefully GW community will continue to support their site/Facebook in the meantime this week. Hope that helps.
Pariah-Miniatures wrote: So no changes to inquisitors and wargear besides the loss of servo skulls?
Anything new with legion of he damned? Sgt. centurions?
It would be cool if Legion of the Damned got some more options. I doubt they would get an entire army, but I'd deffo play it!
Sergeant Centurius? New options for Legion of the Damned.
Both of you ask yourselves this: Are there any new LotD miniatures? Did they release a new/re-release the old Sergeant Centurius? You already know the answer to these questions, and you know that when it comes to GW their modus operandi is no model/no rules.
This might be the first Codex in a while (at least since the 4th Ed 'Chaos' Codex) where we actually have a net loss of options.
I'm still probably getting the book but I have so many questions that I'm gonna wait for images/pics or when I see it arrive at my FLGS before I make the final commitment.
I would recommend any unhappy sisters player to write a politely worded email to GW. There is concrete evidence that GW is listening to players now (aos points). The exceptional sales of the Canoness, has already proved there is a demand for sisters. The traitor legions book which is full good and interesting rules is sold out in the US. GW needs constant reminding that good fluffy fun to play rules sell minis.
Chikout wrote: I would recommend any unhappy sisters player to write a politely worded email to GW. There is concrete evidence that GW is listening to players now (aos points). The exceptional sales of the Canoness, has already proved there is a demand for sisters. The traitor legions book which is full good and interesting rules is sold out in the US. GW needs constant reminding that good fluffy fun to play rules sell minis.
The most important part has been emphasized. More flies with honey and all that.
Pariah-Miniatures wrote: So no changes to inquisitors and wargear besides the loss of servo skulls?
Anything new with legion of he damned? Sgt. centurions?
It would be cool if Legion of the Damned got some more options. I doubt they would get an entire army, but I'd deffo play it!
Sergeant Centurius? New options for Legion of the Damned.
Both of you ask yourselves this: Are there any new LotD miniatures? Did they release a new/re-release the old Sergeant Centurius? You already know the answer to these questions, and you know that when it comes to GW their modus operandi is no model/no rules.
This might be the first Codex in a while (at least since the 4th Ed 'Chaos' Codex) where we actually have a net loss of options.
If they ported over the LotD relics directly from the digital 'codex', they at the very least have access to the skull Centurius was holding.
Starfarer wrote: If I'm not mistaken, Sad Panda or Atia said GW wasnt releasing any full codexes until after 8th edition, and would only do campaign books and supplements until then so as not to invalidate a codex so soon after a new edition.
Sad Panda said something to that effect, and then we got Codex: Deathwatch and Codex: Genestealer Cults.
The Adepta Sororitas hype started with the Wrath of Magnus Garbage Can comment about plastic sisters and whipped into a fury with Lady Atia making a comment about SIsters getting support in 2017.
<Checks Calender, and it's still 2016>
There is ZERO conflict with GW pushing existing Adepta Sororitas models, and a limited release figure with Imperial Agents supplement, and then releasing a codex and plastic figures in 2017. If anything, increasing the awareness of Adpeta Sororitas with Imperial Agents would likely only help sales of a future Adepta Sororitas release.
Chikout wrote: I would recommend any unhappy sisters player to write a politely worded email to GW. There is concrete evidence that GW is listening to players now (aos points). The exceptional sales of the Canoness, has already proved there is a demand for sisters. The traitor legions book which is full good and interesting rules is sold out in the US. GW needs constant reminding that good fluffy fun to play rules sell minis.
The most important part has been emphasized. More flies with honey and all that.
Also, if you're in the UK or don't mind paying a lot for postage, you could also send a physical letter. Pay more to get signed for delivery and then someone at GW will have to sign for the letter, too. If they get enough physical letters cluttering their desk and have to keep signing for them, then they may take the hint.
Starfarer wrote: Oh look, another Sisters player lashing out at anyone they can because they're so hellbent on playing the victim they can't get over the fact they play a neglected, largely irrelevant faction in a game.
That's not what's happening. I'm saying you, personally, are salty and condescending, hence it's no surprise nobody listened to you. Not "anyone" or "everyone". Just you.
You can't barrack people and expect them to respect your opinion on anything. That's some life advice there that'll serve you well beyond 40k discussions on Dakka.
Maybe the solution isn't for the rest of us to go form our own threads but to create a special thread for all 8 of you Sisters players here hellbent on being miserable. You can whine to your heart's content and not suck the life out of every other thread on this board that's not about you.
And my point was that Sisters were always pertinent to the thread, hence were always going to be discussed. If that displeases you, find somewhere else to be. Don't whinge because people are discussing Sisters in a thread where Sisters are pertinent. Don't get sandy because you're not getting asspats.
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: To make the army any good you don't want her. She's a lone target that wants to go into melee in an army that doesn't want to do that.
That doesn't mean she's not good. She'll walk through most min squads of anything, including Genestealers, and the 2+/4++/ resurrection means she can bounce a fair bit of shooting for a T3 model. Like I said, if you have space for a CC whopper then she's not a terrible way to spend the points. If not, then you're not going to take her.
The thing I don't get about this angst is how a few sisters players turned January rumors into December rumors, even when GW said there were no plastic models with this release.
It's sad when GW deletes things, but that's part of this game. If no codex is forthcoming, you'll just have to do like the rest of us and hope for points in the 8th brb.
Hmm. Well that's a let down. When I was under the impression that this would include rules for Sisters of Silence and Custodes it looked like a must buy to go with the Prospero box I intend to pick up next weekend.
Now... I can't think of any reason to buy it at all. Maybe the art?
Starfarer wrote: If I'm not mistaken, Sad Panda or Atia said GW wasnt releasing any full codexes until after 8th edition, and would only do campaign books and supplements until then so as not to invalidate a codex so soon after a new edition.
Sad Panda said something to that effect, and then we got Codex: Deathwatch and Codex: Genestealer Cults.
The Adepta Sororitas hype started with the Wrath of Magnus Garbage Can comment about plastic sisters and whipped into a fury with Lady Atia making a comment about SIsters getting support in 2017.
<Checks Calender, and it's still 2016>
There is ZERO conflict with GW pushing existing Adepta Sororitas models, and a limited release figure with Imperial Agents supplement, and then releasing a codex and plastic figures in 2017. If anything, increasing the awareness of Adpeta Sororitas with Imperial Agents would likely only help sales of a future Adepta Sororitas release.
I disagree there's zero conflict with GW pushing existing Sisters models. It'd be some hardcore trolling for them to make an offhand comment about plastic Sisters, then push the metal Sisters alongside a new release codex/supplement/whatever, even putting the aforementioned metals up as a "preorder" for whatever reason, then a couple of months later release plastic sisters.
GW are pretty bad on capitalising on new releases, but that would be bad even for GW.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe GW usually goes dark on a faction in the months leading up to replacing large portions of them rather than actively pushing them (though I guess that's not something they've done for a while).
For now, I'm going to say this release largely decreases the chances of us seeing plastic Sisters in the near future (say, 6 months-ish)
Starfarer wrote: If I'm not mistaken, Sad Panda or Atia said GW wasnt releasing any full codexes until after 8th edition, and would only do campaign books and supplements until then so as not to invalidate a codex so soon after a new edition.
Sad Panda said something to that effect, and then we got Codex: Deathwatch and Codex: Genestealer Cults.
The Adepta Sororitas hype started with the Wrath of Magnus Garbage Can comment about plastic sisters and whipped into a fury with Lady Atia making a comment about SIsters getting support in 2017.
<Checks Calender, and it's still 2016>
There is ZERO conflict with GW pushing existing Adepta Sororitas models, and a limited release figure with Imperial Agents supplement, and then releasing a codex and plastic figures in 2017. If anything, increasing the awareness of Adpeta Sororitas with Imperial Agents would likely only help sales of a future Adepta Sororitas release.
I am going to get a scathing for this, but send a self stamped addressed envelope with a hand written or typed out letter instead of email. Unless they don't bother with this anymore, this was the way to get a reply from GW. They always seemed to like the old way of doing things. I am sure they would still appreciate it now even with them accepting the electronic age now.
*edit*
Ah I see it was already said. Didn't think about the part where they have to sign for it. Great idea there.
I don't think we'll see plastic sisters. I think you have to view this as ("made to orders has gone really well, metal castings of old metal models is cheap and easy with no R and D costs, let's put some sisters up on the web store with a book"). Cheap investment that might bring in some additional revenue.
The price of them is crazy though? 140 Australian for your basic squad? I think they were about 33percent cheaper when they were in blisters? So massive price hike? Who can afford that? Was thinking GW was getting better...
Somebody please correct me if I'm getting this wrong.
This may well just be the long awaited deathblow to SoB. Reboxing metals at imperial knight prices is just giving GW something to laugh about in the breakroom.
Stop the doom and gloom. Sister players just got the most important oop models back for half the price they are currently going on ebay, a unique new model and a few new formations and new henchmen options as a side effect of a codex that is not replacing the codex and the rumours suggest that you will be getting a major release in 2017. You guys lost nothing except your ungrounded hopes for new stuff before the rumoured release date.
ERJAK wrote: This may well just be the long awaited deathblow to SoB. Reboxing metals at imperial knight prices is just giving GW something to laugh about in the breakroom.
Exaggerate much?
A Knight Warden is $185 USD. The most expensive Sisters unit is $110 USD. That's a huge difference.
oldzoggy wrote: You guys lost nothing except your ungrounded hopes for new stuff before the rumoured release date.
And, uh, Celestine. You know, the centerpiece of most SoB players army. The one that basically every player converted to have wings that would look awesome. The only HQ that is passable rather than ABSOLUTELY AWFUL TRASH USELESS (looking at you, Canoness).
oldzoggy wrote: Stop the doom and gloom. Sister players just got the most important oop models back for half the price they are currently going on ebay, a unique new model and a few new formations and new henchmen options as a side effect of a codex that is not replacing the codex and the rumours suggest that you will be getting a major release in 2017.
You guys lost nothing except your ungrounded hopes for new stuff before the rumoured release date.
I think the big disappoint is that GW teased about CIA would contents "Much of this content is only available digitally at the moment, some of it is new, and much of it is updated." Yet it seems that Sisters got little update, just new content in the form of Detachments and formations. Most were hoping for some revision of the baseline rules.
That being said, I'm not expecting a new CAS until 8th Edition. The only two codexes released in 2016 were for new armies (Deathwatch and Gene Stealer Cults). Everything else has been rules to support new model releases for old factions.
ERJAK wrote: This may well just be the long awaited deathblow to SoB. Reboxing metals at imperial knight prices is just giving GW something to laugh about in the breakroom.
Exaggerate much?
A Knight Warden is $185 USD. The most expensive Sisters unit is $110 USD. That's a huge difference.
It's not a huge exaggeration because a Knight Warden isn't $185USD. A Knight Errant USD is $140 and a Knight Warden is $157USD.
It's even less of an exaggeration if you happen to be looking at the AU online store where a Knight is $155-185AUD and the PA Sisters boxes come in at $140-180AUD for 10.
It does seem like the price has gone up on Sisters, can anyone remember the old prices? Or were they always this bad?
ERJAK wrote: This may well just be the long awaited deathblow to SoB. Reboxing metals at imperial knight prices is just giving GW something to laugh about in the breakroom.
Exaggerate much?
A Knight Warden is $185 USD. The most expensive Sisters unit is $110 USD. That's a huge difference.
What crazy scalper are you buying your knights from lol? You could have gotten 2 for that if you bought renegade. As of right now a regular imperial knight costs 140$. But if that's still too much of an exageration for you a wraithknight is 115.
For the previous poster, the 80$ squad was the same but I believe it had 11 models in it.
oldzoggy wrote: You guys lost nothing except your ungrounded hopes for new stuff before the rumoured release date.
And, uh, Celestine. You know, the centerpiece of most SoB players army. The one that basically every player converted to have wings that would look awesome. The only HQ that is passable rather than ABSOLUTELY AWFUL TRASH USELESS (looking at you, Canoness).
Every? The only one I've seen that's in every army was Mr Awesome Shotgun.
ERJAK wrote: This may well just be the long awaited deathblow to SoB. Reboxing metals at imperial knight prices is just giving GW something to laugh about in the breakroom.
Exaggerate much?
A Knight Warden is $185 USD. The most expensive Sisters unit is $110 USD. That's a huge difference.
Knight Warden is $157 USD.
On the other hand, I remember the Sisters squad being $80 odd last time it was on the webstore, and the Immolator, Exorcist, Penitent Engine, and single figures are all the same price or within a dollar or two of where they were last time they were online. It's not that GW has suddenly raised the prices- sisters metals have been expensive for a while now.
oldzoggy wrote: You guys lost nothing except your ungrounded hopes for new stuff before the rumoured release date.
And, uh, Celestine. You know, the centerpiece of most SoB players army. The one that basically every player converted to have wings that would look awesome. The only HQ that is passable rather than ABSOLUTELY AWFUL TRASH USELESS (looking at you, Canoness).
Every? The only one I've seen that's in every army was Mr Awesome Shotgun.
He's almost never run outside of blob squads. A normal priest with the auto hymn relic does the same thing for 60 less points, which just about gets you a canoness.
Celestine was pretty much the best general use HQ in the army, canoness was terribly overpriced and Uriah relies on a complementary army build.
JohnHwangDD wrote: Either way, $140 / $157 for a specified "Imperial Knight" >> $ 110 for 10 Seraphim >> $80 for 10 footy Sisters.
Changing the target to a $115 Eldar WK, means that we talk about the 5 Sisters for $35.
In no way were Sisters reboxed anywhere near Imperal Kinght prices as claimed. It's a gross exaggeration.
I'm sorry, once you get over 100$ for a single non-forgeworld kit the price stops being X amount of dollars and becomes FETHING EXPENSIVE, the specific numbers are arbitrary and unimportant.
You're just salty because you didn't know how much a knight cost.
Agree to disagree I guess. We clearly have different parameters for "gross exaggeration" and "huge difference" I certainly would never use ">>" to indicate only a 27% change.
But either way, can anyone remember the previous pricing for Sisters? It does feel like a big price rise but I can't remember the old pricing.
So yeah. I went into the store to pre-order the canoness and drop off a secret Santa package.
The store owner walked up to me with a kind of mirthful Willie Wanka look to him- every day I'd see him I'd answer his 'hello' with an assertive 'sisters when?' and I could tell he was excited to at last be able to say 'now'.
We talked about ordering multiples and he explained they were only allowing one per unique e-mail address, but I was already a step ahead on that... Then when we tried to place the order... it had been sold out.
26 minutes after it went on sale.
Twenty six fething minutes.
He was flabbergasted. He was expecting at least four other diehard sisters players to drop in the store, gloat, and order the model. GW apparently didn't anticipate the model would be so popular, despite being the first new model sisters have gotten in ten years?
Honestly... for me it's still more evidence that GW doesn't understand what it is they have with battle sisters. Like those old cartoon gags where a character professes to like something and the other persistently thinks they're being sarcastic.
It wasn't a complete wash, though. I ordered Space Pope and the Inquisitor model, she will be a fun project for a rainy day; and I stuck around and painted my blood bowl orcs. Those four other sisters players showed up, too. Looking to order and leaving disappointed.
I have written a few letters to GW over the years, physical ones, and they have always answered. I always leave my email and home address with all my letters. I have received letters from Robin Cruddace for my suggestions regarding the WD sisters codex (saw some of what I suggested in the Digital but none of the core problem fixes I suggested). They do read physical letters sent to them, I also added chocolate to the letter as a bribe of sorts so they'd feel complied to at least reply.
So once this codex comes out and it's confirmed to be complete garbage for the sisters then I suggest to anyone that's unhappy with it to write a letter to GW. Their address is on the website.
Captain Joystick wrote: So yeah. I went into the store to pre-order the canoness and drop off a secret Santa package.
The store owner walked up to me with a kind of mirthful Willie Wanka look to him- every day I'd see him I'd answer his 'hello' with an assertive 'sisters when?' and I could tell he was excited to at last be able to say 'now'.
We talked about ordering multiples and he explained they were only allowing one per unique e-mail address, but I was already a step ahead on that... Then when we tried to place the order... it had been sold out.
26 minutes after it went on sale.
Twenty six fething minutes.
Spoiler:
He was flabbergasted. He was expecting at least four other diehard sisters players to drop in the store, gloat, and order the model. GW apparently didn't anticipate the model would be so popular, despite being the first new model sisters have gotten in ten years?
Honestly... for me it's still more evidence that GW doesn't understand what it is they have with battle sisters. Like those old cartoon gags where a character professes to like something and the other persistently thinks they're being sarcastic.
It wasn't a complete wash, though. I ordered Space Pope and the Inquisitor model, she will be a fun project for a rainy day; and I stuck around and painted my blood bowl orcs. Those four other sisters players showed up, too. Looking to order and leaving disappointed.
The store owner was positively livid.
Twenty six minutes
!
Well it's a pretty kitch model. Good to see em looking after that part of the fluff by releasing something with a bit of adult interest and humour as opposed to a constant stream of GRIM DARK SPACE MARINE AGHRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!
So that 4chan 'leak' may have been more accurate than we were led to believe. I have seen that same list accompanied by high quality images of some of the lore pages. While it may be a coincidence, it at least lends some credence to them.
I truly hope the sisters get SOMETHING other than a loss of celestine and a useless formation that can reroll 1's to save once per game. Honestly a few good formations could really boost sisters back into a much better shape even with no other rules adjustments.
i think -- subject to the actual text changing things a lot -- we're going to allow our resident SOB player -- weirdly -- and mainly due to the numbers of 6s he rolls we use that term at him in another way a lot -- we're going to allow him to use the saint still.
Course we allow him to buy his canoness a jump pack too , heretics that we are.
Davor wrote: . They always seemed to like the old way of doing things. I am sure they would still appreciate it now even with them accepting the electronic age now.
It isn't necessarily that they are old fashioned but that physically sending a letter takes some effort.
It''s easy to dash off an overheated electronic message and hit send.
But actually sitting down to compose and write a letter seems to be a lost art. Then there is the matter of addressing an envelope and getting it, with correct postage to the post box. A series of tasks that would have given even Hercules pause.
So companies do tend to take them more seriously.
As wiser and cooler posters have noted. This isn't the rumoured new Sisters Codex. This is a another book that gives folks another pathway into Sisters. It does not replace Codex Adepta Sorortias.
If you are still upset then write to GW. Be polite ...because I remind you that you haven't lost anything, or been mislead in anyway as far as we know. And we're talking about toy soldiers, here.
The suggestion of stamped self-addressed envelopes is a good one.
If you are still upset then write to GW. Be polite ...because I remind you that you haven't lost anything, or been mislead in anyway as far as we know. And we're talking about toy soldiers, here.
Yeah we don't really need them starting to shun contact even after people sent large amounts of death threats.
reds8n wrote: ..so the pic belwo is doing the rounds.
i think -- subject to the actual text changing things a lot -- we're going to allow our resident SOB player -- weirdly -- and mainly due to the numbers of 6s he rolls we use that term at him in another way a lot -- we're going to allow him to use the saint still.
Course we allow him to buy his canoness a jump pack too , heretics that we are.
I have a question that i´m sure that has been already asked, but i can´t find it anywhere.
Will it be possible to make a single CAD with units from Deathwatch, Inquisition and Sisters of Battle lists (or whatever) or do you need to use alliances?
reds8n wrote: ..so the pic belwo is doing the rounds.
i think -- subject to the actual text changing things a lot -- we're going to allow our resident SOB player -- weirdly -- and mainly due to the numbers of 6s he rolls we use that term at him in another way a lot -- we're going to allow him to use the saint still.
Course we allow him to buy his canoness a jump pack too , heretics that we are.
I have a question that i´m sure that has been already asked, but i can´t find it anywhere.
Will it be possible to make a single CAD with units from Deathwatch, Inquisition and Sisters of Battle lists (or whatever) or do you need to use alliances?
From the info we have its unlikely as msot units retain thier own Faction.
reds8n wrote: ..so the pic belwo is doing the rounds.
Not seeing any Formations at all.
What is this book supposed to be?
EDIT: Wait, no, there are a few that look like contenders. "Ministorum Delegation" must be the Priests thing.
feth this Codex in particular.
You could be mistaken. There might be more my guess ( and hopes) are that these are formations.
-Inquisition henchmen warband (the same sort of formations as the kill teams now, with way more options, it could even include grey knights and death watch etc. otherwise INQ players just lost crusaders, death cults, priests, psykers and flaggelants)
-Dammned legionnaires
-Exeution force
-Daemonhunter strike force ( this could be a decurion style thiny, alsi inqluding INQ )
-Ecclesiarchy battle conclave ( Same here)
-Ministorum delegation.
-Psykana devision (the best IG psyker formation)
-Imperial navy section
-Enginseer congeration.
oldzoggy wrote: You guys lost nothing except your ungrounded hopes for new stuff before the rumoured release date.
And, uh, Celestine. You know, the centerpiece of most SoB players army.
I know, but you already have that model right ?
And this supplement does not replace the old codex that is still for sale, its an addition.
So you could just field Celestine its just that you can probably not field her in the new cool formations that are in this book. I would say that this is a net gain, instead of a loss.
oldzoggy wrote: -Daemonhunter strike force ( this could be a decurion style thiny, alsi inqluding INQ )
Hoped so, too because GK really need a Decurion. But I'm afraid this won't be the case, since there are only 3 "infantry" units in the codex: Interceptors, Terminators and Dreadknights :-/ +Land Raider
Seems like a big waste of a book when each group has its own faction and you still stuck playing ally shenanigans to bring things like deathwatch and sisters in the same list. Extremely disappointed in the lack of content this book has that isn't just a copy + paste of older books. What is even the point when every group is its own faction and there doesn't really appear to be a proper Inqurion to tie everything together under the Inq banner.
Vankraken wrote: Seems like a big waste of a book when each group has its own faction and you still stuck playing ally shenanigans to bring things like deathwatch and sisters in the same list. Extremely disappointed in the lack of content this book has that isn't just a copy + paste of older books. What is even the point when every group is its own faction and there doesn't really appear to be a proper Inqurion to tie everything together under the Inq banner.
Yeah, book seems to have an identity crisis. The fact they are all separate factions means they don't really benefit from anything they wouldn't normally have with the exception of formations/detachments, of which there doesn't appear to be *that* many. Book almost would have been better off as a large slab of formations and detachments for all non-Space Marines (Deathwatch and Grey Knights included) Imperial Factions. Of course we'll see once we get direct images of stuff as well as the book what changes are there, and what benefits formations have.
GK detachment seems interesting: TDA, interceptors and NDK could form a shunt+charge after DS combo really juicy. I suppose Land raiders are listed only to give TDA an alternative transport, and won't be part of the strike force. What do you think?
Vankraken wrote:Seems like a big waste of a book when each group has its own faction and you still stuck playing ally shenanigans to bring things like deathwatch and sisters in the same list. Extremely disappointed in the lack of content this book has that isn't just a copy + paste of older books. What is even the point when every group is its own faction and there doesn't really appear to be a proper Inqurion to tie everything together under the Inq banner.
Just about sums it up for me. The whole thing seems aimless and half-hearted.
I was thinking that this would allow me to make a force of sisters, grey knights and deathwatch marine led by an inquisitor without using 15 different detachments. I guess I won't need more than one book?
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reds8n wrote: ..so the pic belwo is doing the rounds.
i think -- subject to the actual text changing things a lot -- we're going to allow our resident SOB player -- weirdly -- and mainly due to the numbers of 6s he rolls we use that term at him in another way a lot -- we're going to allow him to use the saint still.
Course we allow him to buy his canoness a jump pack too , heretics that we are.
I hope my Inquisition Henchmen can choose a landraider crusader. Right now, only GK have the Landraider entry in ther list....... LRcrusader + psyboltammo <3
NivlacSupreme wrote: I was thinking that this would allow me to make a force of sisters, grey knights and deathwatch marine led by an inquisitor without using 15 different detachments. I guess I won't need more than one book?
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We don't know - there may be an overarching Inqusitional Formation that allows this but at the moment the book just appears to collect rules and etnries from various digtal dexes and add a few extra formations. As most units seem to retain their normal faction you would not be able to use all those easily.
Honestly, seeing Celestine out is sure sad but I won't mourn too much her loss. Especially about rules.
Saint Celestine was way too much a compulsive choice in any SoB army - especially competitive. Because she was that good. I never liked named characters and would rather make my own with the generic ones, so I'm actually happy to finally see her at the Right of the Emperor.
Nothing prevents you to use her with the agreement of your opponent - or even in a special scenario. It's not because GW removed her from the codex that you must throw her miniature in the trashcan. I always felt Saint Celestine was much more suited to such cases, given her rules.
About the prices of metal SoB on their website, well...they just made sets for specific units and didn't make any reduction. It certainly sucks for new players, I agree. At least the Immolator kit is still around!
reds8n wrote: ..so the pic belwo is doing the rounds.
i think -- subject to the actual text changing things a lot -- we're going to allow our resident SOB player -- weirdly -- and mainly due to the numbers of 6s he rolls we use that term at him in another way a lot -- we're going to allow him to use the saint still.
Course we allow him to buy his canoness a jump pack too , heretics that we are.
What d you folks think 'Warriors of the Emperor' has under it? Ten pages seem a bit much for an introductory blurb.
I also notice the GK and Deathwatch indices don't seem to have named characters either.
reds8n wrote: ..so the pic belwo is doing the rounds.
i think -- subject to the actual text changing things a lot -- we're going to allow our resident SOB player -- weirdly -- and mainly due to the numbers of 6s he rolls we use that term at him in another way a lot -- we're going to allow him to use the saint still.
Course we allow him to buy his canoness a jump pack too , heretics that we are.
What d you folks think 'Warriors of the Emperor' has under it? Ten pages seem a bit much for an introductory blurb.
I also notice the GK and Deathwatch indices don't seem to have named characters either.
Right, but this book also doesn't reprint basically all of their stuff. That's the kicker -- even though C:AS is still legal, it sucks to see a followup that leaves one model out. Celestine is popular, hopefully she'll make a resurgence when Sisters finally get new stuff. But for the time being, it's disappointing for Sisters players in a different way from GK and DW (not that I think GK and Deathwatch don't have anything to complain about; as it stands based on rumors, this book doesn't do much of anything for anyone)
So pages 66, 67 and 68 are for Acro, Crusaders and Death Cult?
Then what is page 77?
So it seems they have split this unit into 3 different ones, making it pretty bad to be honest. Is the thing on page 77 still a combination of the 3?
MadCowCrazy wrote: So pages 66, 67 and 68 are for Acro, Crusaders and Death Cult?
Then what is page 77?
So it seems they have split this unit into 3 different ones, making it pretty bad to be honest. Is the thing on page 77 still a combination of the 3?
77 is a formation to combine them into a single unit. The Inquisitors' henchmen are formatted the same way. I imagine it's because they couldn't get a unit with so many options on a single datasheet so they're done as individual 1+ units.
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