GW is a corporation.

Corporations care about one thing, and one thing only: profit.

There is, I think, a not-unwarranted fear that marines are going the way of the dodo with the advent of nu-marines.

There is a very clear way to avoid this:

Boycott them.

Get everyone you know to boycott them.

Make attempting to sell the fluff abomination which is nu-marines a fiscally painful experience for GW.

To be clear, this is very much unlike my previous "Boycott Magnus" thread.

That was all about balance.

This is about the fact that nu-marines are an existential threat to vintage marines.

You want GW to keep supporting vintage marines?

Then show them, with your wallets, that you refuse to allow them to be replaced.

No.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
No.

Do you want vintage marines to go the path of bretons and tomb kings?

I won't be buying them, but that's just because I am focusing on harlequins and Corsairs for the foreseeable future.

I would never tell people they shouldn't buy a model they like...

 Traditio wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
No.

Do you want vintage marines to go the path of bretons and tomb kings?

Sure! Especially if they get some of these nu-marines in the older armors for better modeling. If not then there's still forgeworld HH models.

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
I won't be buying them, but that's just because I am focusing on harlequins and Corsairs for the foreseeable future.

I would never tell people they shouldn't buy a model they like...

What army do you play?

For the purposes of the argument, let's suppose that you play Harlequins and Corsaires.

Let's suppose that GW came out with a new faction, or else, a new line of models: Nu-Harlequins and Nu-Corsaires.

And judging by all previous experience, the release of this model means that vintage harlequins and vintage corsaires would cease to be updated both in terms of their model line and in terms of their rules.

Would you buy the nu-harlequins and corsaires?

Would you want other people to do so?

 Traditio wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
No.

Do you want vintage marines to go the path of bretons and tomb kings?

I've got a good question?

Why should we give a damn? Just point at your old marines and say they're Primaris when the change inevitably happens. We finally got true scale marines made by GW, meaning no more need for conversions, larger painting surfaces, and far better proportions. This huge backlash against them is now just getting ridiculous, and even I have to call BS on the rampant hysteria. We get our cake and get to eat it too, yet because apparently the fan base can never be happy, they have to throw the cake in the trash. This is no different from how beakies were phased out or any other major change to the model line.



At this point yall are just looking for an excuse to be angry. My only grief with Primaris marines would have been if it was more Ultra-spank forced upon us, but as evidently they are still made from the material of their respective Primarchs, I couldn't care less. All I hope is that old marine torsos can be mounted on the new legs.

Wyzilla wrote:I've got a good question?

Why should we give a damn? Just point at your old marines and say they're Primaris when the change inevitably happens.

Will it really be so simple?

I've played games where the size of my model bases were brought into question. Because, apparently, 25 mm. vs. 32 mm. is a big deal.

You don't think that people are going to give you funny looks when you use models that are substantially smaller than the "official" counterparts?

Especially when it comes to LoS and cover concerns?

And finally, how do you even know if it will be that simple? Perhaps numarines will have very different weapons load-outs compared to vintage marines.

All in all, this could amount to vintage marines being actually, and not just nominally, squatted.

Ahh yes, boycott and financially destabilise the company where you get the game you play from. Then find a reason to hate them based on them not doing new stuff because new stuff seems to be financially unviable?

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Traditio wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
No.

Do you want vintage marines to go the path of bretons and tomb kings?

Sure! Especially if they get some of these nu-marines in the older armors for better modeling. If not then there's still forgeworld HH models.

You play Tzeentch daemons, right?

How would you feel about nu-tzeentch daemons?


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 HANZERtank wrote:
Ahh yes, boycott and financially destabilise the company where you get the game you play from. Then find a reason to hate them based on them not doing new stuff because new stuff seems to be financially unviable?

How would you feel about nu-Inquisition or nu-guard?

You're only nay-saying in this thread, I imagine, because you think that your army or armies are safe.

They're not.

Look at Age of Sigmar.

You don't like Primaris. Fine.
They are coming, like it or not, but get over it.

I only play Marine armies in 40k and welcome GW's try at true-scaling Marines, even if I would've liked it better if they just did it instead of inventing a new breed of Marines.

Regarding Tzeentch, they just replaced the old and small Keeper of Secrets with a huge plastic version. Where were you then?

 Traditio wrote:

Wyzilla wrote:I've got a good question?

Why should we give a damn? Just point at your old marines and say they're Primaris when the change inevitably happens.

Will it really be so simple?

I've played games where the size of my model bases were brought into rules disputes. Because, apparently, 25 mm. vs. 32 mm. is a big deal.

You don't think that people are going to give you funny looks when you use models that are substantially smaller than the "official" counterparts?

Especially when it comes to LoS and cover concerns?

And finally, how do you even know if it will be that simple? Perhaps numarines will have very different weapons load-outs compared to vintage marines.

All in all, this could amount to vintage marines being actually, and not just nominally, squatted.

A game is a negotiation, if somebody is going to be a then you simply don't bother playing such arses, and encourage other people to follow suit until said person learns better.

 Traditio wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Traditio wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
No.

Do you want vintage marines to go the path of bretons and tomb kings?

Sure! Especially if they get some of these nu-marines in the older armors for better modeling. If not then there's still forgeworld HH models.

You play Tzeentch daemons, right?

How would you feel about nu-tzeentch daemons?


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 HANZERtank wrote:
Ahh yes, boycott and financially destabilise the company where you get the game you play from. Then find a reason to hate them based on them not doing new stuff because new stuff seems to be financially unviable?

How would you feel about nu-Inquisition or nu-guard?

You're only nay-saying in this thread, I imagine, because you think that your army or armies are safe.

They're not.

Look at Age of Sigmar.

Lol, Age of Sigmar was the total annihilation of lines like Bretonnia with no replacement. Space Marines are being replaced by bigger Marines. There is no squatting, there is a coming change in the model line as everything is updated for the modern era.

Traditio wrote:
How would you feel about nu-Inquisition or nu-guard?

Yes, please! They need new models, the current Cadians are fugly!

 Traditio wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
No.

Do you want vintage marines to go the path of bretons and tomb kings?

You mean tiny rogue trader beakies who went out when 2nd edition arrived?

Nah, they look wicked. I'm going to get loads of them.

Wyzilla wrote:A game is a negotiation, if somebody is going to be a then you simply don't bother playing such arses, and encourage other people to follow suit until said person learns better.

Most people are .

Did you read the thread about using paper miniatures?

You don't think that, 5 years from now, 10 years from now, people are going to think of your vintage marine army in exactly the same way as most 40k players would think of a paper miniature army?

There's an easy way to avoid this.

BOYCOTT NU-MARINES!

I'm gonna sink tons of cash into them.

Boy this is dumb. In several ways.

 Traditio wrote:

Wyzilla wrote:A game is a negotiation, if somebody is going to be a then you simply don't bother playing such arses, and encourage other people to follow suit until said person learns better.

Most people are .

Did you read the thread about using paper miniatures?

You don't think that, 5 years from now, 10 years from now, people are going to think of your vintage marine army in exactly the same way as most 40k players would think of a paper miniature army?

No? Because there is a total difference between some gaky looking paper models that look like utter garbage and respectably painted plastic miniatures no different from somebody fielding Rogue Trader marines. If anything they'll be a novelty item and people will make comments about their age and your grey hairs. If a person is a rules lawyering WAAC, there is no point in bothering with them. If your entire local scene is filled with such types, then there's no point of even buying into 40k in the first place as you'll be perpetually miserable.

 Traditio wrote:


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 HANZERtank wrote:
Ahh yes, boycott and financially destabilise the company where you get the game you play from. Then find a reason to hate them based on them not doing new stuff because new stuff seems to be financially unviable?

How would you feel about nu-Inquisition or nu-guard?

You're only nay-saying in this thread, I imagine, because you think that your army or armies are safe.

They're not.

Look at Age of Sigmar.

Well if we get nu-guard and nu-marines are vintage marines plus 1, then wouldn't i just have a vintage marine army labelled as guard. Which would be incredibly cheap because i could just buy all the second hand vintage marines and proxy them as they are still gw products.

 Traditio wrote:

Wyzilla wrote:I've got a good question?

Why should we give a damn? Just point at your old marines and say they're Primaris when the change inevitably happens.

Will it really be so simple?

I've played games where the size of my model bases were brought into question. Because, apparently, 25 mm. vs. 32 mm. is a big deal.

You don't think that people are going to give you funny looks when you use models that are substantially smaller than the "official" counterparts?

Especially when it comes to LoS and cover concerns?

And finally, how do you even know if it will be that simple? Perhaps numarines will have very different weapons load-outs compared to vintage marines.

All in all, this could amount to vintage marines being actually, and not just nominally, squatted.

The thing is, none of your problems there have anything to do with Games Workshop. Instead of tilting at Primaris windmills, you should get better friends. There are hundreds of people all over the world who manage to play 40k perfectly amiably using thirty-year-old Marines which are shoulder-height to the current ones, on round, square or hexagonal bases, and the rules work as well as they do with the newest miniatures.

 Traditio wrote:

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
I won't be buying them, but that's just because I am focusing on harlequins and Corsairs for the foreseeable future.

I would never tell people they shouldn't buy a model they like...

What army do you play?

For the purposes of the argument, let's suppose that you play Harlequins and Corsaires.

Let's suppose that GW came out with a new faction, or else, a new line of models: Nu-Harlequins and Nu-Corsaires.

And judging by all previous experience, the release of this model means that vintage harlequins and vintage corsaires would cease to be updated both in terms of their model line and in terms of their rules.

Would you buy the nu-harlequins and corsaires?

Would you want other people to do so?

I'm a Space Marine player and I have zero issue with Primaris Marines. There's no evidence or reason why they shouldn't update the existing Space Marine lines.

worst troll thread ever.

 Traditio wrote:


How would you feel about nu-tzeentch daemons?

That's happened ... three times now, and daemon players seem to have managed.

You're only nay-saying in this thread, I imagine, because you think that your army or armies are safe.

They're not.

Look at Age of Sigmar.

The game where my army consisting entirely of 24-year-old miniatures is still perfectly legal? No-one who had an army collected during or before 8th edition Warhammer is in a position where they can't use their models.

On one hand, I love how all of Traditio's threads of pure are so wonderfully named, like that time he claimed people who like SWA are objectively wrong.

On the other hand, GW finally put out marine models that don't look extremely silly or dumb. Like have you seen the pauldrons on standard Marines? Jeesh.

On the other, other hand, it's not that old marines are in trouble that I care about, it's that power armor lines and sometimes Eldar are the only ones getting new kits. Like talk about forcing the least interesting armies down our throats. Guard and every other xenos faction need some love.

You play Tzeentch daemons, right?

How would you feel about nu-tzeentch daemons?

..Not sure where I gave that impression. I play CSM/CD with a Slaanesh focus with a few small armies to the side.

But I'll be honest, they can give nu-Daemonette's if they promise not to make anymore farming equipment chariots for them.

Not this again...

Primaris Marines won't get rid of regular Marines. Why is everyone panicking over such a moronic idea, in lore, hobby and marketing?

Traditio is a troll.

Trolls care about one thing, and one thing only: lulz.

There is, I think, a not-unwarranted fear that trolls are going to ruin your fun.

There is a very clear way to avoid this:

Boycott Traditio.

Get everyone you know to boycott Traditio.

Play sisters. I bottle your tears. Mwahaha

Statement Redacted.

 usernamesareannoying wrote:
worst troll thread ever.

Agree.

I have no idea what's even being complained about here.

I want new guard models and units, new inquisition models and units, new ork models and units (hope they don't change their
name though!), new new new new. Let's keep the hobby fresh!

Missing out on great miniatures to make a point? No thanks

 darkstar6783 wrote:
Statement Redacted.

Pah, that's not how you summon a mod. You do it like this.

Y'vulgtlagln Moderators, y'ai Moderators ch'nglui, c'stell'bsna c'nnn. Shtunggli Traditio orr'e, ah throd. Y'hah.

On topic to the the thread, flat no. Do you really think GW will squat old Marines just because Primaris came out?

I DON'T LIKE IT, SO NOBODY SHOULD!!!!

But in seriousness, there's an FAQ

Current Astartes aren't going anywhere.

Storm in a tea cup mate. Storm in a tea cup.

Honestly, the only disagreement I have with GW is the way they did it in the fluff.
I think the miniatures are beautiful, if not enough bling-bling, but I can make them more bling if I want to.
If they came with a better fluff, I would be praising GW right now.
I think old marines will be phased out eventually, but we still have years of fun with them before the end.
And even if hundreds of players boycott them, thousands will buy them. They are bound to succeed.

You've read the background for them?

Got a link?

I am not boycotting them per se - I just don't like them enough to make me bother to buy them as an Addition to my DA.

Space Marines are old, really old. They are so old they are starting to lose their magic. Every company, sports team and people need to reinvent themselves every now and then, that includes Games Workshop and their main product; the space marine. If you look at the past and current products, it sucks, but it is a move for the future and I really understand it.

 koooaei wrote:
Traditio is a troll.

Trolls care about one thing, and one thing only: lulz.

There is, I think, a not-unwarranted fear that trolls are going to ruin your fun.

There is a very clear way to avoid this:

Boycott Traditio.

Get everyone you know to boycott Traditio.

Here here!

 Traditio wrote:
Did you read the thread about using paper miniatures?

You don't think that, 5 years from now, 10 years from now, people are going to think of your vintage marine army in exactly the same way as most 40k players would think of a paper miniature army?

You really think that GW is going to invalidate their best-selling range by releasing an updated version?
Are old SM models going to be banned in games played in GW stores?
Is GW going to update every current SM kit, replacing the SM models with the MkX?


None of that is going to happen.
GW's policy is usually to use GW models, no matter how old they are.
GW made a new kit to include in the new box sets, and make them a bit better than the current units.
People can still use their existing models and units, and can get the new ones if they wish.
The sky isn't falling for Space Marines, but a new kit is being released, to use if you want to. It is only for use in versions 8 and on, though, as their points will never be released for use in earlier lists, for 7th edition and such.
These are the new Centurions of last edition. Nothing more.

Good luck with that...

 Traditio wrote:
You don't think that, 5 years from now, 10 years from now, people are going to think of your vintage marine army in exactly the same way as most 40k players would think of a paper miniature army?

ten years? I've got marines in my army that are old enough to drink! (and that's before I count all the old 2nd and 1st edition miniatures).

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 Traditio wrote:
You don't think that, 5 years from now, 10 years from now, people are going to think of your vintage marine army in exactly the same way as most 40k players would think of a paper miniature army?

ten years? I've got marines in my army that are old enough to drink! (and that's before I count all the old 2nd and 1st edition miniatures).

Third ed. only came out in 1998, meaning your marines would only be 19 years old. ARE YOU SERVING ALCOHOL TO UNDERAGE SPACE MARINES!?

 Verviedi wrote:


On topic to the the thread, flat no. Do you really think GW will squat old Marines just because Primaris came out?

I do. It won't happen immediately, because that would have required GW to put out a full range of re-scaled replacements, and the current Marine range covers a lot of sprues.

But I fully expect that the embiggened marine range will be slowly expanded to cover most or all of the same options as the current range, along with a few added, over-the-top-silly new toys, and then the current range will be quietly retired as kits sell out, and eventually the giganto marines will just be 'marines'.

Outside of my distaste for scale creep, I don't really see a problem with that. It's actually a pretty clever way of re-scaling the range without breaking the bank.


And once the switch is complete, there'll be nothing stopping Marine players from still using their armies of current marines, any more than there's been anything stopping people from using 2nd ed or Rogue Trader marines for the last 15 years.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 Traditio wrote:
You don't think that, 5 years from now, 10 years from now, people are going to think of your vintage marine army in exactly the same way as most 40k players would think of a paper miniature army?

ten years? I've got marines in my army that are old enough to drink! (and that's before I count all the old 2nd and 1st edition miniatures).

Ha, me too. One squad of badly painted plastic marines from the 1st box set of beakies. Much loved heros of the imperium

 Elbows wrote:

Third ed. only came out in 1998, meaning your marines would only be 19 years old. ARE YOU SERVING ALCOHOL TO UNDERAGE SPACE MARINES!?

His flag says UK, so no. Most of the world that isn't in the US allows 18 year olds to drink

The new models are a considerable upgrade. Even if they do eventually replace the standard marine, that's hardly a bad thing. It's nice of GW to ease us into it if that's the plan.

All is well. Nothing to see here.

 insaniak wrote:
and eventually the giganto marines will just be 'marines'.

Not even. The new name fits perfectly into the "easier to trademark" wheel house that all new GW names are squeezing into. They'll probably slowly replace the smaller space marines, but they'll keep the name, Primaris Marines, which works fine even without the Space Marines to carry it.

 Traditio wrote:
You don't think that, 5 years from now, 10 years from now, people are going to think of your vintage marine army in exactly the same way as most 40k players would think of a paper miniature army?

Don't be silly. I have this model, and people are asking me to play him. I just don't really have anything to play him as.

On a serious note - Regardless of your opinion of the topic, I would remind posters that rule 1 is still in effect. Name-calling is not an appropriate response, even to threads with a premise you disagree with.

Boycott!? That's silly, I will make GW a very rich company by buying every Primaris unit they produce.

 Elbows wrote:
Third ed. only came out in 1998, meaning your marines would only be 19 years old. ARE YOU SERVING ALCOHOL TO UNDERAGE SPACE MARINES!?

Look at the flag. I live in a civilised country.


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 Purifier wrote:
Don't be silly. I have this model, and people are asking me to play him. I just don't really have anything to play him as.

Primaris psyker lord. That's what mine is. In fact, he's the Warlord in my Imperial Guard army. Lord Varlak fights again!

 insaniak wrote:

 Elbows wrote:

Third ed. only came out in 1998, meaning your marines would only be 19 years old. ARE YOU SERVING ALCOHOL TO UNDERAGE SPACE MARINES!?

His flag says UK, so no. Most of the world that isn't in the US allows 18 year olds to drink

There are even countries where <18 can drink.

Problem is lack of new releases for old marines and will they bother producing new molds for old marines when old ones wear down rather than simply keep producing equilavent numarine unit?

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Primaris psyker lord. That's what mine is. In fact, he's the Warlord in my Imperial Guard army. Lord Varlak fights again!

Neither of which the Skitarii I play have

Just proxy them with your Marines available.
I'll not buy them as I prefer Xenos anyway.

Am i going to go outta my way to not buy them? No

Am i probably going to buy them? Not anytime soon as
a) i dont wanna end up paying 50 bucks a box,
b)i dont like the unit stat line
c) I dont like the lore
d) i dont wanna mix and match marines for a tac squad.

tneva82 wrote:

There are even countries where <18 can drink.

Problem is lack of new releases for old marines and will they bother producing new molds for old marines when old ones wear down rather than simply keep producing equilavent numarine unit?

Yes. That's why we drink. Evil GW.

An Inquisitor, then. Use a couple of spare skitarrii or whatever you might have as acolytes.

I'm probably not going to purchase any, not for the sake of boycott, but simply because I don't wanna jump down yet another rabbit hole of wallet-geddon.

lol nope the community has wanted true scale marines for ages why ban them if gw makess them

Sky is falling.... as always.

My two cents why GW won't phase out current Astartes range:

1) Why give the Primarii MK X armour when the classic Space Marines have only MK VIII? For me, it's clearly a sign they're leaving themselves the room for eventually update Adeptus Astartes to MK IV armour.

2) Planned obsolescence. In a way, all minis are doomed to this from the very beginning. GW, PP, CB ... all those companies replaced and uptdated their minis range in the past. It's obvius that someday there will be new Eldar, new Guard, new Daemons etc. And when that will happen... your current minis would still look out of place, regardless of whether fluff changed or not.

What do you expect, that GW would say: "Ow, all right, we would rather bankrupt than allow that some of our customers consider buying new minis from us!" C'mon that's just silly.

Besides, if GW is planning to use Primarii as replacement for current SM range, then, in fact, Primaris SM became the new Adeptus Astartes. Why can't you then use current Tacticals as Intercessors?

Fluff. I agree, at the moment it's feel rather lackluster. But you know what? Before I've read Soul Hunter I've literally zero interest in Night Lords. Before I've read Talon of Horus I thinked that Black Legion are the most dull Space Marine Legion.
Give Aaron Dembski-Bowden and other BL writers some time.

but...but...i love nu-mrines. They are the scale Marins I've wanted for years. Vintage marines are dumb and tiny and there scale makes me cry at night.

When I'm alone.....which is all the time......

I've been playing since 3rd ed. Back then, Terminators came on 25mm bases, and were considerably smaller than the current models. When GW updated Terminators to be bigger, on 40mm bases, I was all "Feth that, I'm playing with the Terminators I have on the bases they came with!"

Eventually, I wound up with some Terminators from Assault on Black Reach, which are of the new scale. I decided to assemble and paint them, because I was a better painter then than when I did my original Terminators. Once I had a couple squads' worth, I decided to rebase some of my older Terminators (the THSS ones in particular). What I found was, on the new bases, the older Termies blended right in with the newer, bigger ones, and you really had to look at them hard to notice the size discrepancy.

I suspect we'll find mixing old Marines with NuMarines will be similar. Rebase the older Marines on 32mm bases, and I suspect we'll be able to mix them pretty freely with NuMarines without anyone particularly noticing the size differences. I've been rebasing them anyway, because I've found old Marines look more imposing on the bigger bases. My double-demi Lion's Blade is now entirely on 32mm bases. When the NuMarines come, they'll fit right in.

There is nothing wrong with the models themselves or GW updating the range. In fact, I'm happy we're finally getting truescale models and even the profile looks good to me.
It's the fluff that is bothering me.

Was there this much fuss when 25mm baby terminators got upsized?

Those didn't come with a lore change attached that made them super terminators.

 Roknar wrote:
Those didn't come with a lore change attached that made them super terminators.

The non-vocal majority largely doesn't give a single flying grot for the lore.
The people here on Dakka are the ONLY people I've seen that care enough about the lore to give it more than a cursory glance and a "k, whatever."

I'm with them, and we like the little short stories or whatever, but we're not even nearly invested enough to care that these marines are better marines and why that is a travesty.

22 people so far going to "boycott". Wish we could have a "where are they now" thread in a years time

 Purifier wrote:
The non-vocal majority largely doesn't give a single flying grot for the lore.
The people here on Dakka are the ONLY people I've seen that care enough about the lore to give it more than a cursory glance and a "k, whatever."

I'm with them, and we like the little short stories or whatever, but we're not even nearly invested enough to care that these marines are better marines and why that is a travesty.

I don't see a problem with people not being interested in the lore, although I always have the burning curiosity of why they aren't playing a better TT game system than 40k if the models and lore don't interest them very much.

Nu Marines will be my squads Sgts. now.

 Purifier wrote:

 Roknar wrote:
Those didn't come with a lore change attached that made them super terminators.

The non-vocal majority largely doesn't give a single flying grot for the lore.
The people here on Dakka are the ONLY people I've seen that care enough about the lore to give it more than a cursory glance and a "k, whatever."

I'm with them, and we like the little short stories or whatever, but we're not even nearly invested enough to care that these marines are better marines and why that is a travesty.

Yea but those that care have a more or less legitimate reason to be crying murder as opposed to being a model update. If they had just updated the models like they have done many times there wouldn't be so much noise.
People still would have complained but it would have received less attention.
I for one like the models for the most part. Don't like the kneepads and the bolt rifles but they still are a plus on the whole.
The profile is fine too for the time being. We don't know anything about numarine army composition yet.
But that lore man.....ugh.

 General Annoyance wrote:

 Purifier wrote:
The non-vocal majority largely doesn't give a single flying grot for the lore.
The people here on Dakka are the ONLY people I've seen that care enough about the lore to give it more than a cursory glance and a "k, whatever."

I'm with them, and we like the little short stories or whatever, but we're not even nearly invested enough to care that these marines are better marines and why that is a travesty.

I don't see a problem with people not being interested in the lore, although I always have the burning curiosity of why they aren't playing a better TT game system than 40k if the models and lore don't interest them very much.

Who said the models don't? Everyone I talk to are very interested in the models, care a great deal about the rules and have a passing curiosity for the lore at best.

 Purifier wrote:


The non-vocal majority largely doesn't give a single flying grot for the lore.

I beg to differ.

 Purifier wrote:
Who said the models don't? Everyone I talk to are very interested in the models, care a great deal about the rules and have a passing curiosity for the lore at best.

That's a strange combination of sentiment; if people are very interested in the models, then wouldn't they want to know a little more about them to add to their appeal?

And as for the rules, are they aware of other gaming systems out there that might offer a much more rounded experience?

The only thing that worries me about primaris marines is I play grey Knights. And I hope either they make some kind of kit that makes the nu marines into grey knight or come out with a whole new grey Knights line.

Spartan117xyz wrote:
The only thing that worries me about primaris marines is I play grey Knights. And I hope either they make some kind of kit that makes the nu marines into grey knight or come out with a whole new grey Knights line.

Don't stress, they will be handing out NuMarines like Oprah Winfrey,
"YOU GET PRIMARIS MARINES, YOU GET PRIMARIS MARINES, YOU ALL GET PRIMARIS MARINES"

 General Annoyance wrote:

That's a strange combination of sentiment;

No, it really isn't. You're assuming that everyone has your interest in something.

 General Annoyance wrote:
if people are very interested in the models, then wouldn't they want to know a little more about them to add to their appeal?

I love the Tesla, and I have a soft spot for the MINI Cooper. I have no interest in learning their history. They're shiny toys. Have you never liked something solely for the aesthetic?

 General Annoyance wrote:


And as for the rules, are they aware of other gaming systems out there that might offer a much more rounded experience?

Yes, but none that are played widely enough to reliably get games, and when you're slushing hundreds if not thousands of dollars into something, you'd like to be able to use it, no?

 Rippy wrote:
Don't stress, they will be handing out NuMarines like Oprah Winfrey,
"YOU GET PRIMARIS MARINES, YOU GET PRIMARIS MARINES, YOU ALL GET PRIMARIS MARINES"

That wouldn't make for everything that goes into a Grey Knight though; they have to be accomplished Psykers too...

RULE #1 - BE POLITE.

RULE #2 - STAY ON TOPIC.

RULE #3 - NO SPAM.

 JohnU wrote:
Was there this much fuss when 25mm baby terminators got upsized?

There was indeed. Some people were angry because GW initially said that all models needed to be on the new base size. Then GW back-tracked and said you could use the original size which then led to all sorts of arguments about whether using one size or the other was gaming for an advantage.

Fortunately my LGS is a lot more relaxed about such things which means my 2nd ed metal termies are still rocking the battlefields of the 41st millenium.

I think you should buy them, paint them up, then make a youtube video why you hate them.

The new models look a bit gangly to me, a bit like Peter Crouch! But maybe I am just used to the current shape and I certainly wouldn't advocate a boycott.

I am really happy that they have a story justification for the scale change.
Even if, as the story of the Indomitus Crusade progresses, normal space marines are eventually sidelined, I can still play with them in a 'pre-gathering storm' 40K setting without feeling like I am playing with the 'wrong' models.

Justified or not, had they re-conned marines to have always been like Primaris Marines then I would have felt that all my old marines had been invalidated as they would have felt more like a 'counts as' force rather a true representation of the Space Marines.

 Purifier wrote:
No, it really isn't. You're assuming that everyone has your interest in something.

I'm really not. As I said:

 General Annoyance wrote:
I don't see a problem with people not being interested in the lore, although I always have the burning curiosity of why they aren't playing a better TT game system than 40k if the models and lore don't interest them very much.

I love the Tesla, and I have a soft spot for the MINI Cooper. I have no interest in learning their history. They're shiny toys. Have you never liked something solely for the aesthetic?

I have - most art is a good example for me. Most of the time though I like to delve deeper into something. Perhaps this is just me being a very curious individual, but equally I would have thought that most people would at least be a bit inquisitive and care about the background behind something that they collect, paint, play with, and possibly cherish in a nice display cabinet.

Yes, but none that are played widely enough to reliably get games, and when you're slushing hundreds if not thousands of dollars into something, you'd like to be able to use it, no?

Perhaps it is different where you are, but where I am, 40k has got an inkling of presence next to Dropzone, Flames, Team Yankee, Infinity, Saga, Malifaux and Warmachine.

Nope!

I don't think I'll be mixing them into my existing Dark Angels directly - but I may start up a new Chapter fresh once I'm caught up on the rest of my painting.

 Kroem wrote:
The new models look a bit gangly to me, a bit like Peter Crouch! But maybe I am just used to the current shape and I certainly wouldn't advocate a boycott.

I am really happy that they have a story justification for the scale change.
Even if, as the story of the Indomitus Crusade progresses, normal space marines are eventually sidelined, I can still play with them in a 'pre-gathering storm' 40K setting without feeling like I am playing with the 'wrong' models.

Justified or not, had they re-conned marines to have always been like Primaris Marines then I would have felt that all my old marines had been invalidated as they would have felt more like a 'counts as' force rather a true representation of the Space Marines.

They didn't need new marines or to retcon anything. The models and profile are now what they always should have been from the start. Even the bolt rifle profile makes more sense than the current boltgun.

Why should I boycott them?

They look like a modern day reinterpretation of the iconic Space Marine, which look pretty darn dated when you look at some of the other models GW has been putting out lately (like Sisters of Silence or Custodes). Even compared to other companies that produce a similar power armored human, the GW Space Marine looks pretty bleh.

If I only have to paint 20 Nu-Marines, if they are just as capable and cost just as many points as 40 Space Marines, and if 5 Nu-Marines cost the same as 10 model Tactical Squad, then it's a no brainer for me. I'm going to buy 20 Nu-Marines instead of 40 Space Marines. Less cost, less painting, better looking models.

It's a new edition. Codexes go out, models are left behind, fluff gets retconned, and new fluff, new models, and new codexes come into play. Get over it, or go find something else to take up your time with.

 Tamwulf wrote:

It's a new edition. Codexes go out, models are left behind, fluff gets retconned, and new fluff, new models, and new codexes come into play. Get over it, or go find something else to take up your time with.

I certainly will. Don't like the rules, don't like the lore, don't care about the models.

 General Annoyance wrote:

 Purifier wrote:
No, it really isn't. You're assuming that everyone has your interest in something.

I'm really not. As I said:

 General Annoyance wrote:
I don't see a problem with people not being interested in the lore, although I always have the burning curiosity of why they aren't playing a better TT game system than 40k if the models and lore don't interest them very much.

I love the Tesla, and I have a soft spot for the MINI Cooper. I have no interest in learning their history. They're shiny toys. Have you never liked something solely for the aesthetic?

I have - most art is a good example for me. Most of the time though I like to delve deeper into something. Perhaps this is just me being a very curious individual, but equally I would have thought that most people would at least be a bit inquisitive and care about the background behind something that they collect, paint, play with, and possibly cherish in a nice display cabinet.

Yes, but none that are played widely enough to reliably get games, and when you're slushing hundreds if not thousands of dollars into something, you'd like to be able to use it, no?

Perhaps it is different where you are, but where I am, 40k has got an inkling of presence next to Dropzone, Flames, Team Yankee, Infinity, Saga, Malifaux and Warmachine.

You really are, when you add the caveat that they can't love the model without loving the lore.

The 40k lore if you get past the superficial layer (which is really cool) of a grim dark universe in constant war, is and always has been utter gak. The models however have always been amazing compared to the competition, and only in the last 5 years or so have other companies really caught up and competed on a level ground.

I'm interested in "what place does my army have in the hierarchy?" But no more specific than that. I bought the Skitarius book because I had no books at one time, and I couldn't finish it.

Most players of 40k have never read a black library book. So yeah, it's no problem to love one part without the other.

 Roknar wrote:


They didn't need new marines or to retcon anything. The models and profile are now what they always should have been from the start. Even the bolt rifle profile makes more sense than the current boltgun.

I think that really depends on what you're reading. For me, Marines should be on par with Aspect Warriors, which is more or less currently where they stand. And Marines bully guardsmen around quite well.

But I like my grimdark heroes to be "barely enough, if even that".

I voted no even though I'm fairly sure that Primaris Marines are a way to replace the old lines and rules of marines by using a carrot instead of a stick. That being said, we all know they were going to update the line at some point, and the new models are quite worthy of being the next generation of SM line.

They didn't need new marines or to retcon anything. The models and profile are now what they always should have been from the start. Even the bolt rifle profile makes more sense than the current boltgun.

Yea they absolute could have pulled the 'What you on about mate? they always looked like this.' trick but I'm just saying I'm glad they didn't so that my current marine models still feel worthwhile characters, especially in 40 'historical battle' type settings.

I'm excited to see what they do with Primaris Marines in the story going forward. I was sceptical about Stormcast Eternals until I read their backround in WD a couple of months back and so I'm sure we will all grow to like these new characters as well.

 Traditio wrote:

I've played games where the size of my model bases were brought into question. Because, apparently, 25 mm. vs. 32 mm. is a big deal.

Here's what you do; look them straight in the eye and say "Like I give a damn what your opinion is." The basing argument is only a 'big deal' for people looking for an excuse for why they lose games (as in: "I lost the game because that guy had marines on 25mm bases and it's not faaaaaaaaair!").

 Purifier wrote:
You really are, when you add the caveat that they can't love the model without loving the lore.

Where did I say this?

Honestly this was the best way to release truescale Marines without people thinking they have to redo their armies. Now I'd bet that we are not going to see anymore new models for old marines. Anything new for space marines will be Primaris Marine scale, but old marines won't be cut from the line anytime soon. Primaris Marines bring potentially new and interesting options for Space Marines.

No guys, seriously though.

How would you feel if GW just... Up and decided to release a new range of plastic battle sisters?

What if they just decided to completely replace those previously meticulously designed metal masterpieces with plastic models that you actually have to assemble yourself!?

Oh, sorry? Over the ing moon?

OK, never mind then.

 Captain Joystick wrote:
No guys, seriously though.

How would you feel if GW just... Up and decided to release a new range of plastic battle sisters?

What if they just decided to completely replace those previously meticulously designed metal masterpieces with plastic models that you actually have to assemble yourself!?

Oh, sorry? Over the ing moon?

OK, never mind then.

Apparently, and according to the marketing research they've admitted they don't do, they don't think that would make them any money. Either that or they think that constantly releasing new SM models will make them more money, which they're probably right about. Still, could it be that hard?

I'm am not buying them because I don't play SM, but if I did I wouldn't boycott them.

 Luciferian wrote:


Apparently, and according to the marketing research they've admitted they don't do, they don't think that would make them any money. Either that or they think that constantly releasing new SM models will make them more money, which they're probably right about. Still, could it be that hard?

Baby steps. They just figured out that people don't want to have 100kg of books just to play the game.

Still baffled about those objecting to the lore.

The lore we know next to nothing about, seeing as we have a few lines of text about them.

Snap judgement or knee jerk reaction?

Online boycotts, traditionally, are only good at showing who's opinion should be taken with a grain of salt.

Haha. Yeah, good luck with that.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Still baffled about those objecting to the lore.

The lore we know next to nothing about, seeing as we have a few lines of text about them.

Snap judgement or knee jerk reaction?

Those people are gonna whine no matter what, just because it's a new loyalist toy, a new space marine toy, and robot girlyman had something to do with their creation.

Edit: Not saying they don't have a point.

I like the idea of the Primaris Marines lore wise, provided they don't end up replacing regular Marines. Not that they would; logistically, the amount of time it would take to replace every single Marine in the galaxy with a Primaris Marine would probably take the Imperium well beyond however long it will take to conclude the series of events coming up soon.

I mean I guess they can still be annoyed since the loyalists got 2 plastic dev boxes while havocs are still resin (which makes me sad as I look to chaos marines to possibly kick off 8th).

GTFO I'm buying extra!

If anything they'll make normal truescale totally easy.

Did you notice that they clearly took their designs from peoples true-scale projects? The legs especially.

 General Annoyance wrote:

 Purifier wrote:
You really are, when you add the caveat that they can't love the model without loving the lore.

Where did I say this?

You must be joking right? You said it right there in your posts!

 General Annoyance wrote:

That's a strange combination of sentiment; if people are very interested in the models, then wouldn't they want to know a little more about them?

No, it isn't the least bit strange because love for models is not intrinsically tied to love or even care for lore. Only if you add that rule can it be strange and only you are adding it.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Still baffled about those objecting to the lore.

The lore we know next to nothing about, seeing as we have a few lines of text about them.

Snap judgement or knee jerk reaction?

Let's be honest, it's a ham-fisted way for them to push a newer, better SM line without having to invalidate anyone's current armies. That way they can encourage people to voluntarily adopt the new models by giving them better rules in game but avoid the utter rage that would ensue if they pulled a Squat or AoS Brettonians/Tomb Kings with Space Marines, of all things.

Strange doesn't equal wrong; I don't care if people don't care about the lore. I'm not here to tell people how to enjoy the hobby. To me, it's just the curiosity question, since I would have thought that it would be quite important. Therefore, personally it's strange to me, but my personal entry and involvement in the hobby isn't going to be the same as others, nor is it "the right way".

The hobby is mine as much as it is yours. You do you.

I think you read into my posts too much - apologies if I wasn't clear on that.

I play Black Templar and CSM. I voted no.

The models look pretty nice. Much better than Centurians. I see no reason why we should boycott these new models. The argument of "Go the way of Tomb King and Bretts" is actually funny to me... Since before Sigmar I played both of those armies.

It's absurd. Worse case scenario they pull the old model line and everything gets replaced by numarines...

Did those people with old rhinos just throw their old rhinos away? Or do they use the old rhinos as rhinos?

Personally, I would just use my old marines as numarines. As long as it's easy to identify what is what, there is no issue and if everything is the same then so be it. The slight height difference of the model isn't even a question, or is putting old marines on cork board now something we shame?

 Luciferian wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Still baffled about those objecting to the lore.

The lore we know next to nothing about, seeing as we have a few lines of text about them.

Snap judgement or knee jerk reaction?

Let's be honest, it's a ham-fisted way for them to push a newer, better SM line without having to invalidate anyone's current armies. That way they can encourage people to voluntarily adopt the new models by giving them better rules in game but avoid the utter rage that would ensue if they pulled a Squat or AoS Brettonians/Tomb Kings with Space Marines, of all things.

Was there any other way though? People wanted truescale marines, people didn't want to have their armies invalidated, GW delivered. The lore is plausible. IDK if it's good lore, but it's not centurion level of "oh we always had these" bad.

Now that it's all said and done, we should have seen this coming. The Mechanicus has been hoarding geneseed for a long time and we've known Space Marines weren't the peak since Corax's little science project.

Why on earth would I boycott these?

They're going to be great in my Grey Knights army, for one, because appropriately costed power armor is really sorely lacking.

Secondly, variety is the spice of life, and with the sheer number of troop slots required in this edition, it'll be nice to have additional tactical flexibility.

There is no way i pass on these, and i am excited.

Yeah, I don't really see how this will invalidate anyone's army. It may end up getting rid of old style space marines in the fluff, but I imagine every unit will still exist, just with new models. Using old marine models shouldn't be an issue for anyone I'd actually want to play with.

No real interest in Numarines either looks wise, fluff wise or aesthetically fitting with all my old 2nd metals.
Whilst I wouldnt actively boycott them or tell others too, GW wont see any dosh from moi with them.
Much prefer to see a new xenos line come out or updating of the pheonix lords etc.

 Guardsmanwaffle wrote:


Was there any other way though? People wanted truescale marines, people didn't want to have their armies invalidated, GW delivered. The lore is plausible. IDK if it's good lore, but it's not centurion level of "oh we always had these" bad.

Now that it's all said and done, we should have seen this coming. The Mechanicus has been hoarding geneseed for a long time and we've known Space Marines weren't the peak since Corax's little science project.

I'm not saying it's an unwise decision or that I'm mad about it. Just calling it how I see it. I wouldn't really expect it to add up to much in the future of the lore, especially if I'm right about them eventually replacing OldMarines altogether. It simply allows them to put current marine armies in a holding pattern while providing a reason to switch over that isn't just aesthetic. So overall it's pretty easy to forget about and ignore.

Let the poll results speak for themselves.

Well some not unreasonably assumptions are that they are vat grown and thus don't require a population to convert. And from the looks of it are battle ready immediately.
We are also told that they are superior to marines in every way.

So not requiring people or training while also being superior is going to make them cost less or about the same as a normal marine but in less time due to being grown.
That would make it so there is no sense to pour resources into the normal marines anymore.
So even fluffwise there is no reason for space marines to exist anymore. These can do everything they can but better and possibly cheaper with better technology.
Not to mention not requiring recruiting worlds, which makes them more reliable too as they can be produced at mars(presumably) or possibly any mechanicus affiliated forgeworld, at least eventually.
There are already full chapters of these guys and guilliman stated they would replace losses of normal marines in one of the trailers iirc, so they don't seem to require a whole lot in terms of production.

If production is fast enough ( and so far it looks like it) they might even be able to replace lost marines faster with primaris than regular marines, further invalidating them in the lore.

Oh yes, it's my daily dose of the Traditio Tries to Create An Argument From Majority comedy show.

People, this is WH40K. Something's going to go horribly wrong with Primaris, just like it did with regular marines. It's just a matter of time before the first Primaris chapter goes sideways.

Boycott a business for trying to do business by expanding its best selling range?

Ridiculous.

They look awesome. Can't wait to see what the jump pack ones look like from the starter set. The pic shown weeks ago is too blurry to see clearly, other than they have a new 'flight' stand.

Storyline is progressing and GW is releasing new models. I'm all for it. If you really want the other models in the years to come, there is always the secondary market if and when GW stops producing the current Marine models.

Not only I like them, I might even buy them to use as my 30k TS stranded in 40k just to make haters weep!

 John Prins wrote:
People, this is WH40K. Something's going to go horribly wrong with Primaris, just like it did with regular marines. It's just a matter of time before the first Primaris chapter goes sideways.

I don't think GW have the balls, but this thing virtually has to to turn out bad to make any sense. And not just for the primaris themselves.
Neither the emperor nor fabius nor corax managed to do what cawl apparently has achieved and perfected all on his lonesome while robby-G was taking a nap.
This is borderline heresy. The rest of the imperium and especially marine chapter masters just being A-Ok with all of rowboats recent exploits would be stupid.

So far it's been "Guilliman and his magical marine posse here to save the day!", but it better be the calm before the storm.

At time of writing, almost 90% of respondents have answered in the negative.

I eagerly await Traditio's attempts to claim that this somehow supports his argument.

Funny thing is, I'd be willing to bet that everyone's going to play super-ultra marines, but use old marine models, because they're very, very similar.

Get the advantage of playing the new hawtness but still get to use your old models.

I'm gonna boycott them having my 7th company of Dark Angels revealing themselves as Traitors all this time, and using the excuse of being substituted and outdated by the Legion-Building and Throne Usurper Guilliman to began a civil war in their subsector.

At the same time I'm gonna buy some boxes to run as normal Dark Angels with my Inquisition and Imperial forces

I'll probably get some, I don't plan on playing 40k but they'd make a nice command unit.

As far as the fluff I'm hoping in-setting people realize this whole Imperium Secundus mini-empire building primarch may not have everyone's best interests at heart. It seems like such an clear twist to go for so I'm sure GW won't since they seem oblivious to any sort of writing quality.

 Azreal13 wrote:
At time of writing, almost 90% of respondents have answered in the negative.

I eagerly await Traditio's attempts to claim that this somehow supports his argument.

He has the strong minority obviously.

 Roknar wrote:

 John Prins wrote:
People, this is WH40K. Something's going to go horribly wrong with Primaris, just like it did with regular marines. It's just a matter of time before the first Primaris chapter goes sideways.

I don't think GW have the balls, but this thing virtually has to to turn out bad to make any sense. And not just for the primaris themselves.
Neither the emperor nor fabius nor corax managed to do what cawl apparently has achieved and perfected all on his lonesome while robby-G was taking a nap.
This is borderline heresy. The rest of the imperium and especially marine chapter masters just being A-Ok with all of rowboats recent exploits would be stupid.

So far it's been "Guilliman and his magical marine posse here to save the day!", but it better be the calm before the storm.

To be fair, when it comes to tech/science the mechanicus usually get the final say. Cawl is, by virtue of age and rank, apparently someone not to be with within the mechanicus hierarchy. So, if he claims he found lost knowledge of human genetic engineering in an STC fragment or the emperor's notes (so it's totally fine and not Hersey), with Guilliman (literally a demigod in the eyes of even highlords and inquisitors, much less the ecclesiarchy) backing him up... no one is going to make a fuss. Particularly not given how bad things are overall.

It's also worth noting that the emperor was entirely capable of making soldiers far more powerful than space marines. That's what custodes are, not to mention the primarchs themselves. Indeed, space marines are basically the emperor throwing something together, both when he lacked direct access to the primarchs and then in the middle of a galactic crusade, using the fresh geneseed samples to stabilize/fix the space marine legions on the fly. So it's entirely possible the emperor could've made them better, but simply didn't either due to time constraints with his crusade, because he felt they were good enough, or simply because he preferred not make them any stronger than needed, for rather practical reasons.

When you consider what a minor improvement these marines are compared to custodes or primarchs, it seems fairly reasonable cawl couldve managed it, and between himself and guilliman im not shocked most people are accepting it as personally fine. Expect only a handful of more independent first founding chapters (wolves and dark angels possibly) to be particularly resistant to the idea. Or maybe some really paranoid inquisitors.

List of things that never change: war, sharks, and Traditio's salt levels

I was stoked when the Wraithguard got new models with swords and axes. I was also stoked when my Wraithlord model became plastic with more options.

Of course I'm going to buy these guys.

I remember reading Eisenhorn and feeling the dread(Dan Abnett is a master) of when the Chaos Space Marine shows up and starts destroying everything because he's a freaking giant Chaos Space Marine.

The current models don't do any of the fluff justice and not only should SMs/CSMs be bigger everyone else needs to get a little smaller.

I'm not going to "boycott" anything. I'll buy the models I like, and expect everyone else to do the same.

That said, I am so burned out on space marines, and a little annoyed they clearly are going to (slowly) be replacing the entire line of space marines. It's a huge, well done line already; whereas so many others could use the releases instead. I've been waiting years for GW to give me a reason to collect guard, but nope, just more marines.

Regardless, it's their way of trying to deal with the simple fact that their market is over saturated with marines. They're hoping the old marine players will start collecting these new ones to replace their old ones. I'm not at that point, but they do look better. Maybe if I can manage to sell my old marines for a reasonable price I'd be willing.

Actually, I'm finding that the more people complain about the Primaris Marines, the more I want to buy them.

I'm going to get a lot of them. They are what I've always wanted, bigger, more-movie like marines. Heck they even look better because their proportions are more realistic.

rofl no. They have a new dread now man.

 Traditio wrote:

How would you feel about nu-Inquisition or nu-guard?

Absolutely want a new inquisitor kit because they dont exist and guard needs a SERIOUS update

im getting these adeptus restartes

iv been looking for an excuse to restart all my armies and this is a fantastic start. the models are glorious and looks well proportioned.

the game it self is looking ok so far.

No, because I never really had any intention of buying any more marines to begin with, nu or no. Only marines I still have are gifts from friends that I need to paint still.

ERJAK wrote:
rofl no. They have a new dread now man.

+1 to that

After that Leviathan last year, I bet the new dread will be sweet.

as for the fluff we simply don't know eneugh about it to judge. the amount of info we have? it's like getting the first description of space Marines as "gene forged to be superior to humans, equipped with arms and armor from the finest forge worlds"

All well and good, but there are important questions we lack answers too.

1: What was the intent behind Gulliman ordering their inital creation? (my bet is he wanted an army that could dominate Chaos Space Marines to ensure the continued stability of the IoM. but we need that answered)

2: how are these Primaris Marines made? grown in a tube? same way normal marines are made? an upgrade that can be applied to existing space marines? these are important factors (I really hope they don't lose the human link Standard Marines have)

3: How Many are they?

4: what space marine chapters are having entire companies built anew as Primaris Marines? what are refusing ANY? (I could see space wolves having entire companies of these guys due to their recent losses, on the other hand I could also see the Wolves refusing ANY, especially if these space wolves are vat grown)

Given what we've seen, I am dissapointed with the way numarines were executed fluff wise. I don't have a problem with Cawl being able to engineer them, but I hate how they are just better space marines apparently created the same way as regular ones. I feel the fluff perfectly justifies this being possible (see custodes) but I don't like it as a story element. It feels like a slap in the face to the current chapters, and I would have much MUCH preferred if numarines had to be made from regular marines; basically an upgrade granted to decorated veterans. This could lead to numarine versions of special characters, while other characters hold off out of principle/suspicion (it's not at all difficult to imagine many of them doing so).

However, from a rules and mechanical perspective what I have seen so far is impressive. They managed to make an elite space marine unit that not only serves a specific role but manages to avoid stepping on the toes of the many other elite space marine options.

To me, its obvious where people are with them.

Group 1) People will buy them to add a single unit to their SM force in 8th and that's about it.

Group 2) People will buy them to start a new space marine army

Group 3) People will buy them because they are in a starter set

Group 4) People won't buy them because they don't like them atheistically, fluff wise or in fear of GW phasing out their horde of normal marines.

Group 5) No interest in Space Marines/focusing on other forces.

At the end of the day I think they will sell comparatively well and GW knows everything Space Marine will sell, well maybe not hideous abominations -INCERT WO Centurions RD HERE- will sell well. Personally I am not against making things true scale and slightly easier to paint. Of course it may put pressure on current lines of space marines depending on whether GW keeps pumping out different new marine kits. I would like to see the current range stay valid and viable too. Technically you could say I am boycotting them, but at the minute I am sitting on the fence until 8th edition hits the ground running physically.

One thing is that if we go by the value of starter/box sets, I think almost everyone is going to get an 8th box set. I got almost every one of them, Assassins, Calth and Prospero just because of the great minis for cheep. So Chaos guys are going to get them as well as people curious about the 8th edition itself.

With that said a good number of us are going to end up with nu-marines like it or not.

Boycotting these would be beyond stupid. I have a slight issue with the way these have been introduced, as many others have stated, and I also believe that this is the first step in replacing the entire SM range, again, as many others have stated. But, after the Tau released new Crisis & Broadside suits, over time I replaced all the old models I had for them. Granted, not quite in the same vein as replacing an entire army, but new model releases replacing old sculpts isn't really anything new. To be fair, many other armies in the range desperately need love - I've wanted to build a Sisters army for years, but am flat unwilling to pay the prices GW wants for them in a material that is difficult to work with and even more difficult to keep looking good over time. But that is no reason to boycott the release.

If GW looses money on this (and judging by the response to the poll, they most certainly aren't, but for the sake of argument...), they will be unwilling to release updates to the armies that do need updates. GW loosing money is a -bad- thing. Why would GW consider updating the Exarchs and Aspect warriors of the Eldar after we in their faces with this release? Why would they re-do the Sisters line when we've shown them that we're unwilling to accept an update to their flagship line? Boycotting the Primaris Marines is a poorly considered response, and will ultimately be counter-productive.

The models look excellent, and the rules, while being what marines arguably should have been from the start, are solid. My only SM army is GK, and they're (for now) exclusively Terminators, but I very well use the bodies as PAGK, if they're going to be as conversion friendly as the teaser suggested.

So no, I will not consider boycotting Nu-Marines. Nor will I suggest to others in my gaming circle to do the same.

I don't plan to buy them simply because I'm interested in the older armors, and on top of that I don't like the Aquila on the chest and never have.

However simply because Traditio said I shouldn't buy them I'm gonna get a single box.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:


However simply because Traditio said I shouldn't buy them I'm gonna get a single box.

This thread brought to you by GW Marketing.

Jokes aside, I won't be boycotting them. I'm looking forward to see which chapters accept them, which dont, and if there is a new Chapter made of them I like the colors and lore for. If not, I'll build a Chapter or find an exsisting to add them to (Scythes of the Emperor most likely)

This thread is so frustratingly wrong it angers me. How can anyone legitimately have the line of thinking Traditio has

 Klowny wrote:
This thread is so frustratingly wrong it angers me. How can anyone legitimately have the line of thinking Traditio has

Well, he was all pumped about everything until I mentioned to him that Primaris marines might likely be an all-out replacement for all pre-existing marines. I also think he might honestly be trying to gauge sentiment and isn't on the side he appears to be on, but phrased it in an awkward way.

I do not get this backlash, but that's because it doesn't make me mad, it makes me excited. I TOTALLY got and participated in the backlash against the Tau article.

I am trying to keep in the forefront of my mind that what some love, others hate, and just because we disagree doesn't mean we aren't both right.

Boycott Traditio.

Your posts are bad and you should feel bad.

Exalted!

The models are pretty cool, but I don't really care for the fluff they've shown us so far. That said, I would never presume to tell someone else how to enjoy their hobby.

Azreal13 wrote:At time of writing, almost 90% of respondents have answered in the negative.

I eagerly await Traditio's attempts to claim that this somehow supports his argument.

Or as Traditio calls it, a strong minority opinion.

At this point, with all the hate from everyone, I gotta just lol, apperantly a small group of 40k players can never be pleased... ever.

 Rysgame wrote:
At this point, with all the hate from everyone, I gotta just lol, apperantly a small group of 40k players can never be pleased... ever.

Its never the same group of people but there always is a group that wont like things.

then again without that there would never be any discussion.

I've played Dark Angels for over 20 years. I have marines so short that current tacticals make 'em look like they should move over to my WFB dwarf army. I have a ton of metal terminators that stand shorter than most of my marine models (including several from 2nd Edition when those terminators were current). In general, my Dark Angels are already a wacky scale mishmash. So the new scale doesn't bug me.

On the fluff side? GW has spent the last 20+ years coming up with newer, better, more marine-y marines. Go back and look at the rank simplicity of the 2nd Edition marine lists. You had vets, terminators, tacs, devs, and assaults. Done! These days a chapter isn't a chapter if it isn't tossing down 2-4 of its own completely unique veteran units that are more veteran than the normal veterans. And 30k took this concept and perfected it. Primaris are just doing what they've always done. Just in this case they started from "hey, what if we made movie marines canon?"

40k has had its fair share of odd fluff, and at some point in time folks were up in arms over it. So every time there is pushback against a new thing all I can think of is this:



I mean, I still don't like fungus orks and make-believe ork weapons, but I'm not going to end up like a bitter Battletech player still hatin' on the clans. I moved on and learned to love the things in the setting that I love while ignoring the things I don't. Primaris may end up being silly(er than they already appear) but over time they'll mesh in, get their own minor retcons, and just become part of the game.

No.


I don't see myself building up a Marine army anytime in the near future. But if I ever do, I have no intention of "boycotting" anything.


This new breed of Astartes has a place in 40k as far as I'm concerned. And I highly doubt that's it's to replace the "regular" Space Marines anytime soon.

At least this time they explained where the new thing comes from. Where were all those Centurions this whole time?

I'm always on board for a good boycott. Unless GW actually gets the rules right this time (which seems unlikely given their track record, but give 1000 monkeys 1000 typewriters and it'll happen eventually) in which case my blood angels will be nothing but adeptus restartes.

 Ronin_eX wrote:
I've played Dark Angels for over 20 years. I have marines so short that current tacticals make 'em look like they should move over to my WFB dwarf army. I have a ton of metal terminators that stand shorter than most of my marine models (including several from 2nd Edition when those terminators were current). In general, my Dark Angels are already a wacky scale mishmash. So the new scale doesn't bug me.

On the fluff side? GW has spent the last 20+ years coming up with newer, better, more marine-y marines. Go back and look at the rank simplicity of the 2nd Edition marine lists. You had vets, terminators, tacs, devs, and assaults. Done! These days a chapter isn't a chapter if it isn't tossing down 2-4 of its own completely unique veteran units that are more veteran than the normal veterans. And 30k took this concept and perfected it. Primaris are just doing what they've always done. Just in this case they started from "hey, what if we made movie marines canon?"

40k has had its fair share of odd fluff, and at some point in time folks were up in arms over it. So every time there is pushback against a new thing all I can think of is this:



I mean, I still don't like fungus orks and make-believe ork weapons, but I'm not going to end up like a bitter Battletech player still hatin' on the clans. I moved on and learned to love the things in the setting that I love while ignoring the things I don't. Primaris may end up being silly(er than they already appear) but over time they'll mesh in, get their own minor retcons, and just become part of the game.

Pfft, hating on the Clans is so 1990s. these days the in thing to hate on is the Jihad

but seriously, yeah change comes, and you eaither need to embrace it, or... admit the setting no longer is what you love and move on.

I really do like the moniker Adeptus Restartes. I got a good chuckle from that.

If you guys are serious about boycotting Traditio, you'd better mean it. We don't need to see more angry, frothing at the mouth threads being dragged back to the top of the forums when they can just fade into obscurity with 0 replies. It'll do the site a favor by reducing toxic arguments and the breaking of rule #1. Not even just Traditio per se, but other troll threads too. Ignore them and they starve. Too late for this particular thread, but for future reference, guys

 usernamesareannoying wrote:
worst troll thread ever.

Heh, it's OP... It's what he does.

If someone wants to buy new models and play the, it's no skin off my back.




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 Ronin_eX wrote:
I've played Dark Angels for over 20 years. I have marines so short that current tacticals make 'em look like they should move over to my WFB dwarf army. I have a ton of metal terminators that stand shorter than most of my marine models (including several from 2nd Edition when those terminators were current).

Those RTB-01s and 2E metals are ordinary S3 T3 humans in Power Armor and TDA, not S4 T4 Spaz Marinz.

You should play them as Sisters of Battle.

Honestly i thought the Nu-marines had a nice helmet but the armor looked too sleek. You know it wasn't clunky which fit the grim dark feel. It felt too refined. Also yeah it bothers me Cawl (some new dude far as i know) managed to make all this super new armor. Considering how awful the imperium is in 40k and how many people want their power it seems to be going far too not grim dark. I didn't even like grim dark but it feels like an absolute theme change to me.

On first sight, I like what I see, so I'll get some. If you don't like them, don't get them. Boycott? Don't be silly......achieves nothing: no clear agreement on WHY the boycott, and, so long as the figures sell, GW don't care who to.

It had to be by a certain author...

Nope. I'm gonna buy em, they look cool, there marines.
Yep. Buying!

Oh and cawl who made the nu marines may be 10,000 years old as admech as so cyborg there nigh immortal.

This thread probably guaranteed I'm gonna buy twice as many boxes now.

So like 2. But still! I'll make up for the OP.

"Vote with your wallet"

This isn't how the world works.

Jacksmiles wrote:
This thread probably guaranteed I'm gonna buy twice as many boxes now.

So like 2. But still! I'll make up for the OP.

Buy a nu dread and name it after our honoured poster lol.

 blood reaper wrote:
"Vote with your wallet"

This isn't how the world works.

Uh, yeah it is. Only it just so happens that consumers as a whole aren't at your disposal to enforce punitive measures on companies you don't like, and they will buy things they like even if you don't.

 Luciferian wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:
"Vote with your wallet"

This isn't how the world works.

Uh, yeah it is. Only it just so happens that consumers as a whole aren't at your disposal to enforce punitive measures on companies you don't like, and they will buy things they like even if you don't.

It is but my vote at mo is going to gw, and so is my money.
I can choose to withdraw my vote at any time, change my mind, and that's just the way it is.

 Luciferian wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:
"Vote with your wallet"

This isn't how the world works.

Uh, yeah it is. Only it just so happens that consumers as a whole aren't at your disposal to enforce punitive measures on companies you don't like, and they will buy things they like even if you don't.

And that's why telling them to "vote with your wallet" isn't going to work - consumers usually also don't know what they want, so the choice of who they vote for really isn't there own.

 blood reaper wrote:

And that's why telling them to "vote with your wallet" isn't going to work - consumers usually also don't know what they want, so the choice of who they vote for really isn't there own.

Whose choice is it, Edward Bernays'? lol

 Luciferian wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:

And that's why telling them to "vote with your wallet" isn't going to work - consumers usually also don't know what they want, so the choice of who they vote for really isn't there own.

Whose choice is it, Edward Bernays'? lol

Lol. I choose to buy models I like look of.
I don,t care what others may think, and if my heresy wolves may be wrong grey.
My money, my plastic crack.

 jhe90 wrote:

Lol. I choose to buy models I like look of.
I don,t care what others may think, and if my heresy wolves may be wrong grey.
My money, my plastic crack.

There's never a wrong grey, my friend.

 Luciferian wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:

Lol. I choose to buy models I like look of.
I don,t care what others may think, and if my heresy wolves may be wrong grey.
My money, my plastic crack.

There's never a wrong grey, my friend.

All sprue lives matter

Aye, there done in post heresey grey, reasoning is ad a friend from foe signifier.
Given the fact all legions had traitors, they changed there armour so there loyalty would be clear.

 jhe90 wrote:

 Luciferian wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:

Lol. I choose to buy models I like look of.
I don,t care what others may think, and if my heresy wolves may be wrong grey.
My money, my plastic crack.

There's never a wrong grey, my friend.

All sprue lives matter

Aye, there done in post heresey grey, reasoning is ad a friend from foe signifier.
Given the fact all legions had traitors, they changed there armour so there loyalty would be clear.

There's never a wrong grey but there's always that grey you saw on someone else's models that would make yours look soooo much better. I was happy with my gunmetal grey until I saw a scruffy metalic grey/blue that looks like a blizzard, now I want that.
As for the NuMarines - I'll be getting enough to make all my Space Wolf characters. Sorry Traditio.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:

 Luciferian wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:

Lol. I choose to buy models I like look of.
I don,t care what others may think, and if my heresy wolves may be wrong grey.
My money, my plastic crack.

There's never a wrong grey, my friend.

All sprue lives matter

Aye, there done in post heresey grey, reasoning is ad a friend from foe signifier.
Given the fact all legions had traitors, they changed there armour so there loyalty would be clear.

There's never a wrong grey but there's always that grey you saw on someone else's models that would make yours look soooo much better. I was happy with my gunmetal grey until I saw a scruffy metalic grey/blue that looks like a blizzard, now I want that.
As for the NuMarines - I'll be getting enough to make all my Space Wolf characters. Sorry Traditio.

I'm tempted to do a new Marine army for 8th. space wolves or blood ravens. decisions decisions..

I only buy models I like the look of.
As it is, I much prefer the truer scale and lack of skull bedecking on the primaris marines - compared to the "bling it up with skulls" normal marines.

That said, I haven't bought anything from GW in 4 years and since a boycott is just actively not purchasing from them, it's just "stay on course" for me.

Man this got to a fair few pages, pretty quickly..

I lol at the notion of a boycott..

But then again the OP had a massive cry about Shadow War because he is bad at it and wrote a bad list


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The other thing with the new Marines and the eventual phase out of the old.

The thing is GW needs money to continue to function, replacing a model line with a new set is a great way for them to do just that. As older players who have an existing army with nothing new to add wont actually be spending money on it

I know I had my Tyranids force since 3rd ed, and only made a few additions to it over the years. But with the Release of GSC I made a lot of purchases to have the new army up and going

I'm totally boycotting them and so's my friend!

On an unrelated note I play (almost entirely 3rd ed. model) Tyranids and he plays Orks.

But yeah, boycott 'em!!

Woo. That'll stick it to the man with his true-scale marines and his not catering to my specific personal whims with every release.

Honestly I'd love something along the lines of true-scale orks. Something without that stupid hunch that makes their butts stick out like that. I guess we sort of already have that in the form of nobz, but those are terrible so I guess it doesn't count (unless 8th fixes them up, please Gork).

We needed Truescale marines, causs i couldn't bear it anymore to see those wretched deformed models with no anatomic accuracy what so ever.

Did we need a new Marines Flavor with new stats?, no, we did not, there is already 215 marines flavors out there.

yes for the model, no for the rules.

Never underestimate the power of a traditio thread, question is, is he being ironic or not?

I vote to boycott boycotts...WITH A BOYCOTT!111111! #TacticalGenius #AWYISS #ForTheEmperor

Honestly, I don't see the point of the rage anymore. They're new marines, the old ones aren't going anywhere, 10 still won't fit in a rhino. I don't understand why there isn't a single 'I hate 8th and so does my wife' thread to stop clogging up the boards with topics that are "boycott this" and "Do you like that" things for an as-yet unreleased product. Yes it's Dakka, but damnit if there's something new to complain about each day.

Why boycott them when they are really nice models? Sure fluffwise you might not like them so why not replace all your marines with that?

 SpinCycleDreadnought wrote:


They're new marines, the old ones aren't going anywhere, 10 still won't fit in a rhino.

Couldn't have said it better.

I'm thinking of buying a bunch of these Nu-Marines just to drive Traditio crazy. That and they are cool models! I wonder how they'll look in Caliban Green...

I certainly intend to show them with my wallet the loads of new marines I intend buy.

Well i'll be doing an entire army of them, with all the Deathwatch shoulder pads I've been collecting.

The more I think of it I do like the two types of marines fighting side by side. It gives them an almost odd look, and breaks up a little bit of the visual boringness that has become a SM army. So in a way I almost want to pick up a box of standard tacticals just to mix the two.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

 SpinCycleDreadnought wrote:


They're new marines, the old ones aren't going anywhere, 10 still won't fit in a rhino.

Couldn't have said it better.

Though, expect Primaris transports in the near future according to rumors, that can fit 10.

 Rippy wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

 SpinCycleDreadnought wrote:


They're new marines, the old ones aren't going anywhere, 10 still won't fit in a rhino.

Couldn't have said it better.

Though, expect Primaris transports in the near future according to rumors, that can fit 10.

Here comes the Elephant!

Well this poll is looking pretty lopsided against this boycott

But that just means tradito has a strong minority right?

I like the new marines. When they come out with New-Grey-Hunters I'll probably get a few.

I do kind of wish that they had introduced them as alternate tactical marine models rather than new units of their own, that way they could slowly phase out the little marines.

I don't play vanilla marines, but if they came out with new, nicer Cadians or new, nicer Sisters you can bet I'd be buying them, probably in unhealthy quantities.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
I like the new marines. When they come out with New-Grey-Hunters I'll probably get a few.

I do kind of wish that they had introduced them as alternate tactical marine models rather than new units of their own, that way they could slowly phase out the little marines.

I don't play vanilla marines, but if they came out with new, nicer Cadians or new, nicer Sisters you can bet I'd be buying them, probably in unhealthy quantities.

I feel the same way. GW should have just changed basic marines into two wound models and say that Cawl found a way to inject the new gene seed and speed the conversion of existing marines so that they really are marines 2.0 and have missions involving delivering the geneseed and guarding the geenseed from chaos who of course wanna use it to mutate their own dudes... Then have a new set of chaos dudes who managed to get some and call them nuchaosmarines. They would have sold a billion and handked it much better ...

 Sentinel1 wrote:

 Rippy wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

 SpinCycleDreadnought wrote:


They're new marines, the old ones aren't going anywhere, 10 still won't fit in a rhino.

Couldn't have said it better.

Though, expect Primaris transports in the near future according to rumors, that can fit 10.

Here comes the Elephant!

NuMarine Rhinos - for some reason the same size as a Land-Raider.

 jeff white wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
I like the new marines. When they come out with New-Grey-Hunters I'll probably get a few.

I do kind of wish that they had introduced them as alternate tactical marine models rather than new units of their own, that way they could slowly phase out the little marines.

I don't play vanilla marines, but if they came out with new, nicer Cadians or new, nicer Sisters you can bet I'd be buying them, probably in unhealthy quantities.

I feel the same way. Just changed basic marines into w
Two wound models and say that Cawk found a way tominject the new gene seed and speed the conversion of existing marines so that they really are marines 2.0 and have missions involving delivering the geneseed and guarding the geenseed from chaos who of course wanna use itto mutate their ow dudes... The have a new set of chaos dudes who managed to get some and call them nuchaosmarines. They would have sold a billion and handkednit much better ...

Or even keep the fluff that they're really a new batch of marines, but instead of having new marine with two wounds and new guns, just have them be tactical marines.

 CrownAxe wrote:
Well this poll is looking pretty lopsided against this boycott

But that just means tradito has a strong minority right?

As usual.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

 jeff white wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
I like the new marines. When they come out with New-Grey-Hunters I'll probably get a few.

I do kind of wish that they had introduced them as alternate tactical marine models rather than new units of their own, that way they could slowly phase out the little marines.

I don't play vanilla marines, but if they came out with new, nicer Cadians or new, nicer Sisters you can bet I'd be buying them, probably in unhealthy quantities.

I feel the same way. Just change basic marines into two wound models and say that Cawl found a way to inject the new gene seed and speed the conversion of existing marines so that they really are marines 2.0 and have missions involving delivering the geneseed and guarding the geenseed from chaos who of course wanna use it to mutate their own dudes... The have a new set of chaos dudes who managed to get some and call them nuchaosmarines. They would have sold a billion and handled it better.

Or even keep the fluff that they're really a new batch of marines, but instead of having new marine with two wounds and new guns, just have them be tactical marines.

I actually like the idea of marines all having two wounds. Like nobs. Ogryns three maybe four. Termies also two OK. Guardsmen one. Commies two or more.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

 jeff white wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
I like the new marines. When they come out with New-Grey-Hunters I'll probably get a few.

I do kind of wish that they had introduced them as alternate tactical marine models rather than new units of their own, that way they could slowly phase out the little marines.

I don't play vanilla marines, but if they came out with new, nicer Cadians or new, nicer Sisters you can bet I'd be buying them, probably in unhealthy quantities.

I feel the same way. Just changed basic marines into w
Two wound models and say that Cawk found a way tominject the new gene seed and speed the conversion of existing marines so that they really are marines 2.0 and have missions involving delivering the geneseed and guarding the geenseed from chaos who of course wanna use itto mutate their ow dudes... The have a new set of chaos dudes who managed to get some and call them nuchaosmarines. They would have sold a billion and handkednit much better ...

Or even keep the fluff that they're really a new batch of marines, but instead of having new marine with two wounds and new guns, just have them be tactical marines.

That sounds disturbingly...obvious.
Sorry, no can do.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Honestly i thought the Nu-marines had a nice helmet but the armor looked too sleek. You know it wasn't clunky which fit the grim dark feel. It felt too refined. Also yeah it bothers me Cawl (some new dude far as i know) managed to make all this super new armor. Considering how awful the imperium is in 40k and how many people want their power it seems to be going far too not grim dark. I didn't even like grim dark but it feels like an absolute theme change to me.

Cawl is 10.000 years old, or more. He doesn't remember. He has probably forgotten more about armour making than the collected current full knowledge of the adeptus mechanicus can bring to bear.

Isn't the Hlmet basicly just a modified mk 4 helmet?

I just want to see that new dread. Finally not being tied to specific competitive marine builds I actually get to think about what i like in the army and I came to the conclusion that rhinos and tacticals are super friggin boring. Dreadnoughts, speeders, bikes, assault termies, jumppack marines, predators and land raiders for me from this point on! Once my Sisters are done I mean.

Any release that gives me cool stuff like new tanks/walkers etc will be awesome. If they have numarine vangiard vets i need 20

I won't be buying them, if they totally redid the existing range in true scale I would be all for that, but to get technical these are NOT true scale marines they are 1 in new armour and that still means tons of converting/scarping/removing and 2 they look silly vs the existing range.

Personally i dislike their new boltguns, I think some of their armor looks ok and for the most part they do look like marines but the whole concept around them and what they are is not my thing, if people like them hey great go for it but I would have much preferred to see GW just redo the entire range years ago in true scale.

Anyway to get technical GW has not really come out with that many new marine kits in terms of this whole "they just redid all this" no...no they did not, the plastic terminators ( not the BA/DA ) are fairly old now, same with the robed da vets. What is actually newer...is assault marines, dev marines and ba, even sw are not that new at this point. Some of those kits are decent but it would have been better than to slowly redo the whole range over a few years than just make these nu marines along side their dwarf bros.

Hopefully the rhino and land raider will get a bit of a scale creep though to actually be more true scale to the current old marines. I'm still laughing at the troop capacity of even the corvus blackstar, the rhino has always been a bit of a joke for troop cap but the CB is utterly laughable that it can carry that many and even bikes. They would all be pressed up against eachother playing twister and even then I doubt that many would really fit.

As someone who is into the fluff way way more than gaming, I'm craving some great novels on the making of the nu guys. I'm imagining a reworking of Frankenstein with highly secret labs constantly on the verge of discovery and failure. Who guarded these labs? Who worked in them? Did anyone nearly discover their secrets? How many died to hide this 10000 year old project? Can't flipping wait! And hopefully it's in red leather with some cool design embossing!

Revenant78 wrote:
I won't be buying them, if they totally redid the existing range in true scale I would be all for that, but to get technical these are NOT true scale marines they are 1 in new armour and that still means tons of converting/scarping/removing and 2 they look silly vs the existing range.

Personally i dislike their new boltguns, I think some of their armor looks ok and for the most part they do look like marines but the whole concept around them and what they are is not my thing, if people like them hey great go for it but I would have much preferred to see GW just redo the entire range years ago in true scale.

Anyway to get technical GW has not really come out with that many new marine kits in terms of this whole "they just redid all this" no...no they did not, the plastic terminators ( not the BA/DA ) are fairly old now, same with the robed da vets. What is actually newer...is assault marines, dev marines and ba, even sw are not that new at this point. Some of those kits are decent but it would have been better than to slowly redo the whole range over a few years than just make these nu marines along side their dwarf bros.

Hopefully the rhino and land raider will get a bit of a scale creep though to actually be more true scale to the current old marines. I'm still laughing at the troop capacity of even the corvus blackstar, the rhino has always been a bit of a joke for troop cap but the CB is utterly laughable that it can carry that many and even bikes. They would all be pressed up against eachother playing twister and even then I doubt that many would really fit.

They just released a ton of FW models in plastic as variants for standard marines. Not only have they redone the line, they redid it with variety.

This thread hasn't been locked yet?
I dont really need any more marines, but now i have to buy at least one box.

 Traditio wrote:

Then show them, with your wallets, that you refuse to allow them to be replaced.

They are not replacing normal marines with Primaris Marines.


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Revenant78 wrote:
Hopefully the rhino and land raider will get a bit of a scale creep though to actually be more true scale to the current old marines. I'm still laughing at the troop capacity of even the corvus blackstar, the rhino has always been a bit of a joke for troop cap but the CB is utterly laughable that it can carry that many and even bikes. They would all be pressed up against eachother playing twister and even then I doubt that many would really fit.

I am never going to be able to look at any transport vehicle in the game save the Necron ones with out imaging this now.

Transport vehicles in 40K have TARDIS technology. They are all bigger on the inside.
No scale creep is needed (nor wanted)

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 Happyjew wrote:
At least this time they explained where the new thing comes from. Where were all those Centurions this whole time?

They found them behind some boxes marked "Departmento Munitorum Corpse Wafer Rations".

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Honestly i thought the Nu-marines had a nice helmet but the armor looked too sleek. You know it wasn't clunky which fit the grim dark feel. It felt too refined. Also yeah it bothers me Cawl (some new dude far as i know) managed to make all this super new armor. Considering how awful the imperium is in 40k and how many people want their power it seems to be going far too not grim dark. I didn't even like grim dark but it feels like an absolute theme change to me.

Its all down to personal taste of course, but I like the sleekness of the mk-x armour. It provides a nice visual indicator of there newness and contrasts with the more ornamental parts of existing Astartes power armour. Hopefully its a theme that will run through most of there range.

Well, it seems I won't be saying anything new, but why not explain my opinion on the Primaris

First things first, the Primaris won't be replacing the good ol' space marines. GW already stated that they'll be new kind of units on their own, and that they'll have a different meta playwise, due to them having different equipment and stats than the normal space marines. It's true that you can get rid of the usual space marines in your list having all but Primaris, but the same thing goes for the opposite.

Also, people has been wanting true-scale marines for such a long time that finally having them is an incredible thing for the ones that aren't experts on conversions. Now people who want their marines taller can have them and play them as normal marines, and if you are more of an old school guy, well, no one's forcing you to buy them. WTH, you can have the Primaris units in your lists using the normal marines if you want. And if your concern is people laughing at your normal marines for not being true-scale, just don't listen to them (actually, just don't come near them, they sound like the most accurate version of "that guy").

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Its all down to personal taste of course.

THIS. SO MUCH THIS.

This made me laugh hard.

If they are fairly costed, I'll like them. If they are the nu-scatterbikes, I'll hate them. Very simple.

Fine. Screw this stupidity and knee-jerk fear mongering. I put forth that we boycott all Marines until they lose a point of Toughness, go back to 4+ armor saves, and revert to being psycho-altered convicts, all three of which they originally were in Rogue Trader!

If all marines eventually become variants on the Primaris, then would you look at that? I have an entire new Primaris army with no purchases involved, as I use all my old marines as them, "small" size be damned.

And my Space Wolves 13th company models (from back in the eye of terror campaign) become a really cool new spin on standard Space Wolves, as my force is trapped on the wrong side of the Warp Rift, forced to use parts of enemy armor and gear to keep fighting, and yet refuse to be saddled with the new 'pretender' freak-marines when the chance for reinforcements arises.

 CrownAxe wrote:
Well this poll is looking pretty lopsided against this boycott

But that just means tradito has a strong minority right?

Ha ha, yes but maybe they are a 'progressive' minority, they seem to be pretty important these days. If GW hear the 'progressive minority's' are after them they would probably just give up. I would.

 Knockagh wrote:

 CrownAxe wrote:
Well this poll is looking pretty lopsided against this boycott

But that just means tradito has a strong minority right?

Ha ha, yes but maybe they are a 'progressive' minority, they seem to be pretty important these days. If GW hear the 'progressive minority's' are after them they would probably just give up. I would.

At the very least I would throw my hands in the air in an exasperated motion, and the way every group on the internet reads anything as a victory for their cause, that would probably be read as surrender.

I was not going to buy them anyway, so i hit No.
But the models themselves look to be a huge improvement and something i would have rather seen them do years ago as a basic upgrade to get the game all in scale with itself.

The Story and way the universe is going on the other hand I wont be finding much too positive there.

 AegisGrimm wrote:


And my Space Wolves 13th company models (from back in the eye of terror campaign) become a really cool new spin on standard Space Wolves, as my force is trapped on the wrong side of the Warp Rift, forced to use parts of enemy armor and gear to keep fighting, and yet refuse to be saddled with the new 'pretender' freak-marines when the chance for reinforcements arises.

Your 13th company are already running on three different model varieties, what's one more?

I will admit that I've misread the public sentiment.

Based on the posts that I was seeing on the forum, I was under the impression that there was greater discontent with the primaris space marines.

I also must admit my surprise, all things considered, that I got so many votes for "yes."

Well, go figure. I guess people generally like the new models.

 Traditio wrote:
I will admit that I've misread the public sentiment.

Based on the posts that I was seeing on the forum, I was under the impression that there was greater discontent with the primaris space marines.

I also must admit my surprise, all things considered, that I got so many votes for "yes."

Well, go figure. I guess people generally like the new models.

More a case of only the most pungent TFGs would try to stop anyone playing with their old marines. I've got old edition Rhinos and Vindicators, most people I've played against pick them up and look at them just so they can pick them up and look at them. GW has never been able to enforce models going out of date - why start now?

Apple fox wrote:
I was not going to buy them anyway, so i hit No.
But the models themselves look to be a huge improvement and something i would have rather seen them do years ago as a basic upgrade to get the game all in scale with itself.

The Story and way the universe is going on the other hand I wont be finding much too positive there.

I think it's too early to tell, there are a lot of cool things they COULD do, now that they've taken the box the setting is in, and given it a good shake. there are also a lot of stupid things, time will tell. given GW is listening to us (keep in mind they also have shareholders they also need to listen to) our best thing we can do is communicate what we do and don't want to see.

Dakka Wolf wrote:More a case of only the most pungent TFGs would try to stop anyone playing with their old marines.

Do you know how many times I've been called out on my 25 mm. bases for my marines?

 Traditio wrote:
I will admit that I've misread the public sentiment.

Based on the posts that I was seeing on the forum, I was under the impression that there was greater discontent with the primaris space marines.

I also must admit my surprise, all things considered, that I got so many votes for "yes."

Well, go figure. I guess people generally like the new models.

people have been down on GW for so long it's honestly refreshing to see this much positive sentiment for what GW is doing. GW's making the biggest changes to 40k since 3rd edition, and people are excited and eager about it for the most part.

 Traditio wrote:

Dakka Wolf wrote:More a case of only the most pungent TFGs would try to stop anyone playing with their old marines.

Do you know how many times I've been called out on my 25 mm. bases for my marines?

Zero?

I've never seen anyone get called out either

 ZergSmasher wrote:
I'm thinking of buying a bunch of these Nu-Marines just to drive Traditio crazy. That and they are cool models! I wonder how they'll look in Caliban Green...

Not as good as they would have looked in dark angels green

CrownAxe wrote:Zero?

At least twice.

Once in a normal game of 7th edition 40k who wanted to hit more models (saying that my marines "should" be on 32 mm bases, not 25 mm bases).

Once in a game of Shadow Wars, namely, because of the rules having to do with falling.

It's come up.

 CrownAxe wrote:

 Traditio wrote:

Dakka Wolf wrote:More a case of only the most pungent TFGs would try to stop anyone playing with their old marines.

Do you know how many times I've been called out on my 25 mm. bases for my marines?

Zero?

I've never seen anyone get called out either

given that the 32 mm bases for marines is a fairly new thing I suspect most marine armies mostly use them. I know I've not been rebasing my old Marines.

 Traditio wrote:

CrownAxe wrote:Zero?

At least twice.

Once in a normal game of 7th edition 40k who wanted to hit more models (saying that my marines "should" be on 32 mm bases, not 25 mm bases).

Once in a game of Shadow Wars, namely, because of the rules having to do with falling.

It's come up.

Obviously, I have zero idea what you're like to play against. You may be the best opponent ever for all I know. But it seems to me that when people get so petty that they start pointing out the base size, it's because they're facing people that always seem to hit one more guy than you'd strictly think was actually under the template, and when it's your template they'll argue that there is one less guy under it than what you're seeing. Basically, nitpicking is something I generally see done mostly to people that nitpick. People that try to turn everything in their favour, for the smallest advantage. Maybe not completely TFG, but just a little frustrating to play against.

Purifier wrote:Obviously, I have zero idea what you're like to play against. You may be the best opponent ever for all I know.

Hit me up once 8th edition drops, and you can find out via Vassal.

But it seems to me that when people get so petty that they start pointing out the base size, it's because they're facing people that always seem to hit one more guy than you'd strictly think was actually under the template, and when it's your template they'll argue that there is one less guy under it than what you're seeing. Basically, nitpicking is something I generally see done mostly to people that nitpick. People that try to turn everything in their favour, for the smallest advantage. Maybe not completely TFG, but just a little frustrating to play against.

He had a template. I had a group of models. "I mean, if your models had the appropriate bases, I would ACTUALLY hit x number of models." "Yeah? But they don't. There are no rules which stipulate base sizes. They actually have these base sizes."

The second time: I had a chaos space marine up against a window in ruins. He wanted to shoot him off of a ledge. In fact, I would have been more than 1 inch away, regardless of whether I was using 25 or 32 mm. bases. But he wanted to dispute base sizes.

At the end of the day, I care about RAI. However, my sole concern is not winning. If we have equal armies, and if the luck of the dice is against me, and you have better tactical sense than I do, then so be it.

But the first player had space marine bikes and grav cannons.

And the second player was using Eldar and tyrranids respectively.

actually there where rules for base sizes it was "use what we give ya" and for ages, space marines where given 25 mm bases. expecting everyone to immediatly rebase their entire army because GW decides to change the size of a base is silly.

BrianDavion wrote:
actually there where rules for base sizes it was "use what we give ya" and for ages, space marines where given 25 mm bases. expecting everyone to immediatly rebase their entire army because GW decides to change the size of a base is silly.

That's my position.

Other people do not share my views.

I voted no. My wishful thinking is that they will turn all Sanguinius boys to Mephistons/Sanguinors, all Space Wolves to Wulfen and Cypher will make a renegade army from Lion sons. All other will slowly die from attrition leaving only codex PSM. Death to the runty SM

 Traditio wrote:

Dakka Wolf wrote:More a case of only the most pungent TFGs would try to stop anyone playing with their old marines.

Do you know how many times I've been called out on my 25 mm. bases for my marines?

A billion times. My local club also consists of the Pope Francis, Elizabeth the Second, and the exiled Italian Royal Family. Don't you just love anecdotes?

Well thankfully we have seen us dakkites aren't very progressive at all. Otherwise we would be screaming for another vote and saying everyone has been duped into thinking nu marines are a good idea when clearly they aren't. Finally we could all sit back and blame Teresa May and the Conservatives.

 Knockagh wrote:
Well thankfully we have seen us dakkites aren't very progressive at all. Otherwise we would be screaming for another vote and saying everyone has been duped into thinking nu marines are a good idea when clearly they aren't. Finally we could all sit back and blame Teresa May and the Conservatives.

Unrelated political ramble. Just what this thread needed.

I was far more upset about the Necron rework, the changes to the Inquisition (demonhosts and grey knights=best friends ), the addition of knights and the additions of superheavies in games then I am of the NuMarines. Frankly I think the Numarines fit surprisingly well in the lore, their models are cool and that they represent what space marines are supposed to be (lorewise) better on the tabletop then marines do themselves. Food for thought is that an unupgraded marine squad cost 300p back in 2nd ed. today it's more akin to 150p. The addition of Numarines, elite marines as it where, will probably make the "generic" marine list more fluffy. (Btw I was very tempted to turn this post into a rant about stuff that bug me more)

 Traditio wrote:

Dakka Wolf wrote:More a case of only the most pungent TFGs would try to stop anyone playing with their old marines.

Do you know how many times I've been called out on my 25 mm. bases for my marines?

Haven't seen your local crew but I bet they smell nice, you complain about them every now and then.

 Traditio wrote:
I will admit that I've misread the public sentiment.

Based on the posts that I was seeing on the forum, I was under the impression that there was greater discontent with the primaris space marines.

I also must admit my surprise, all things considered, that I got so many votes for "yes."

Well, go figure. I guess people generally like the new models.

Don't get me wrong, I see this as an incredible blemish on my opinion of "new gw". They're willfully ignoring every other faction in the game to release yet more unnecessary marines (which isn't in itself unusual) but usually they at least have SOME kind of excuse. Now it's just "We're gonna be making more tactical marines while your Guardians and Gaunts are still monopose 3rd ed plastics, we're gonna be making more dreadnoughts while your sisters of battle are still metal, we're gonna be making more rhinos while your deffbuggies are still 25 year old gorkamorka models, deal with it."

It's the laziest thing I've seen GW do in my years of playing. Not the sleaziest or most offensive (Finecast still wears that crown) but definitely the laziest.

All that said, I don't care if someone wants to use them. They're literally the EXACT SAME THING as regular space marines. Why would I care at all? I don't refuse games against regular space marines...

I vote "no" just because I really want my superhuman soldiers look like, you know, super-humans, not just silly fat guardsman.

But it's sore that my huge collection is going to be the thing of the past. So I totally understand other marine player's frustration.

 Traditio wrote:


He had a template. I had a group of models. "I mean, if your models had the appropriate bases, I would ACTUALLY hit x number of models."

That doesn't make sense... Bigger bases mean wider coherency, so fewer models under the template, not more.

 insaniak wrote:

 Traditio wrote:


He had a template. I had a group of models. "I mean, if your models had the appropriate bases, I would ACTUALLY hit x number of models."

That doesn't make sense... Bigger bases mean wider coherency, so fewer models under the template, not more.

Exactly. Bigger bases let you spread gak out more.

Edit: With templates going away, it doesn't matter any more.

They are not replacing normal marines with Primaris Marines.

Of course not. They just won't make any more minis for them or supply new codexes. We've seen this song and dance before.

 Traditio wrote:
For the purposes of the argument, let's suppose that you play Harlequins and Corsaires.

Let's suppose that GW came out with a new faction, or else, a new line of models: Nu-Harlequins and Nu-Corsaires.

And judging by all previous experience, the release of this model means that vintage harlequins and vintage corsaires would cease to be updated both in terms of their model line and in terms of their rules.

Would you buy the nu-harlequins and corsaires?

Would you want other people to do so?

It happened to me. I play Sisters of Battle. The model line that prevent them from being ever updated is marine.
.

Seeing how you were a direct part of this by buying marines I might nu-marines just as revenge!
(Okay I am not going to do this I'll never buy marines, nu or not )

 Traditio wrote:
GW is a corporation.

Corporations care about one thing, and one thing only: profit.

There is, I think, a not-unwarranted fear that marines are going the way of the dodo with the advent of nu-marines.

There is a very clear way to avoid this:

Boycott them.

Get everyone you know to boycott them.

Make attempting to sell the fluff abomination which is nu-marines a fiscally painful experience for GW.

To be clear, this is very much unlike my previous "Boycott Magnus" thread.

That was all about balance.

This is about the fact that nu-marines are an existential threat to vintage marines.

You want GW to keep supporting vintage marines?

Then show them, with your wallets, that you refuse to allow them to be replaced.

People wanted True Scale Marines, these are Truscale marines. They can't just shoehorn them in though and pretend nothing happened and there's no reason why these Marines are suddenly head and shoulders taller with markedly bigger and elongated guns.

 Deadshot wrote:



People wanted True Scale Marines, these are Truscale marines. They can't just shoehorn them in though and pretend nothing happened and there's no reason why these Marines are suddenly head and shoulders taller with markedly bigger and elongated guns.

They've drastically redesigned Tyranids twice since I started playing. Same with Daemons (although not as drastic).

They made new terminator kits much larger than the old ones without any fluff reason.

I'm not saying GW is wrong for giving a fluffy reason for the increased size or not, I'm just pointing out that they have shoehorned in newer models and pretending nothing happened in the past... just not to marines.

Since marines are so popular, they are getting special treatment here. This is actually the first time I can remember that they are actually pretending something did happen!

Well, when was the last time they properly advanced the clock?

 Red Viper wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:



People wanted True Scale Marines, these are Truscale marines. They can't just shoehorn them in though and pretend nothing happened and there's no reason why these Marines are suddenly head and shoulders taller with markedly bigger and elongated guns.

They've drastically redesigned Tyranids twice since I started playing. Same with Daemons (although not as drastic).

They made new terminator kits much larger than the old ones without any fluff reason.

I'm not saying GW is wrong for giving a fluffy reason for the increased size or not, I'm just pointing out that they have shoehorned in newer models and pretending nothing happened in the past... just not to marines.

Since marines are so popular, they are getting special treatment here. This is actually the first time I can remember that they are actually pretending something did happen!

Tyranids drastically redesign themselves on a regular basis to suit the situation, the old models are every bit as valid as the old ones, and you can easily put a 3rd Ed Hive Tyrant next to a modern one and say its purposefully smaller with a bigger brain to focus on controlling the horde and not fighting.

Similarly Daemons are highly mutable and can change on a whim. No issue with putting an old and new Bloodthirster together and say one is much more powerful and of higher rank than the other.

Terminators, plus all the old models, were horribly out of proportion, and in the grand scheme of things, all the old models were horrible in terms of detail, poseability and scale. They were simply redesigned to better fit the modern Space Marine. However, if you make new Space Marines just as big as Terminators are currently you have to redesign all the Terminators, vehicles and stuff like that. Primaris Marines are simply the product of asking for truscale in a abstract 28mm heroic scale game. The Primaris next to other marines would look horrendous, if they were all suppose to be the same Marines.

 Deadshot wrote:

Tyranids drastically redesign themselves on a regular basis to suit the situation, the old models are every bit as valid as the old ones, and you can easily put a 3rd Ed Hive Tyrant next to a modern one and say its purposefully smaller with a bigger brain to focus on controlling the horde and not fighting.

Similarly Daemons are highly mutable and can change on a whim. No issue with putting an old and new Bloodthirster together and say one is much more powerful and of higher rank than the other.

Terminators, plus all the old models, were horribly out of proportion, and in the grand scheme of things, all the old models were horrible in terms of detail, poseability and scale. They were simply redesigned to better fit the modern Space Marine. However, if you make new Space Marines just as big as Terminators are currently you have to redesign all the Terminators, vehicles and stuff like that. Primaris Marines are simply the product of asking for truscale in a abstract 28mm heroic scale game. The Primaris next to other marines would look horrendous, if they were all suppose to be the same Marines.

Fair points, but are those official explanations.... or just reasons players made up to justify it?

Earth127 wrote:
Well, when was the last time they properly advanced the clock?

This is the first major story advancement that I can recall.

This is just sad.

 Red Viper wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

Tyranids drastically redesign themselves on a regular basis to suit the situation, the old models are every bit as valid as the old ones, and you can easily put a 3rd Ed Hive Tyrant next to a modern one and say its purposefully smaller with a bigger brain to focus on controlling the horde and not fighting.

Similarly Daemons are highly mutable and can change on a whim. No issue with putting an old and new Bloodthirster together and say one is much more powerful and of higher rank than the other.

Terminators, plus all the old models, were horribly out of proportion, and in the grand scheme of things, all the old models were horrible in terms of detail, poseability and scale. They were simply redesigned to better fit the modern Space Marine. However, if you make new Space Marines just as big as Terminators are currently you have to redesign all the Terminators, vehicles and stuff like that. Primaris Marines are simply the product of asking for truscale in a abstract 28mm heroic scale game. The Primaris next to other marines would look horrendous, if they were all suppose to be the same Marines.

Fair points, but are those official explanations.... or just reasons players made up to justify it?

Official explanations being the models were metal, expensive to make, not very customisable, and well, rubbish. Compare the old nids to new nids. Sure, you might like the Xenomorph Queen style Hive Tyrant with crest from 3rd ed, but in terms of actual design, can you say it lives up to the newer metal and plastics? Or the old "smushface" Carnifex compared to the hulking terror than is the plastic? Or the old metal BT to the new giant one, or old Terminators to even the slightly dated plastics? The quality of design and casting is simply improved. But for Daemons and Nids you simply don't need to justify the difference in models, they have their own background you can explore if you wish, but not necessary in the slightest. For Space Marines, having giant marines in with your regulars could be simply discarded, but from a fluff perspective, there needs to be a reason

If they just made Guardsmen smaller...

Am I the only one who was never interested in "true-scale" Marines? I mean, these are models, miniatures; both words mean REPRESENTATION. They are an abstraction of a Space Marine. A "true-scale" Space Marine would be cosplay, not a plastic miniature.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
If they just made Guardsmen smaller...

That would have worked, and probably better for all considering that Necrons are big and scary, right? Are they "true-scale" already? What about Orks? Are they "true-scale" as well?

At least with the fluff justification, there are story and head-canon opportunities available with a new breed of Space Marine. I might get some, but I might not. Depends on my financial situation over the next couple years more than anything, but I won't actively boycott them.

At the very start of 3E, all of the new plastics were "true scale".

Then we got the embiggened Cadians & Catachans from worlds where the average human is built like the Mountain...

2E metal Guardsmen (and Sisters) make almost everything else in 7E "true scale".

BTW, have you compared a RT/2E/GM Ork with the modern stuff on the table? Runty.

I hope I run into somebody at my local FLGS who plays the same army as me but is as adamantly against nu-marines as OP is so we can have a nice Nu-marine vs Manlet Marine civil war and see who comes out on top.

Ya know what, I think I will boycott "Nu-Marines"

But not the models themselves or their use. Rather, I will boycott the name 'Nu-marine'. Their name is 'Primaris Marines' or 'Primarines' for short.
"Nu" marine is too Millennial for my taste

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At last we get to the real issues.

 Galef wrote:
Ya know what, I think I will boycott "Nu-Marines"

But not the models themselves or their use. Rather, I will boycott the name 'Nu-marine'. Their name is 'Primaris Marines' or 'Primarines' for short.
"Nu" marine is too Millennial for my taste

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I believe we've established that Adeptus Restartes is the official High Gothic name.

 EnTyme wrote:

I believe we've established that Adeptus Restartes is the official High Gothic name.

When I first read that, I thought you were saying "Adeptus Retardes" and had a nice chuckle.
Then I realized you said "Restartes" and it was even better.

Good job

 Galef wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:

I believe we've established that Adeptus Restartes is the official High Gothic name.

When I first read that, I thought you were saying "Adeptus Retardes" and had a nice chuckle.
Then I realized you said "Restartes" and it was even better.

Good job

Brought forth by Reboot Guilliman!

Galef wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:

I believe we've established that Adeptus Restartes is the official High Gothic name.

When I first read that, I thought you were saying "Adeptus Retardes" and had a nice chuckle.
Then I realized you said "Restartes" and it was even better.

Good job

I wish I could take credit, but someone else used the term in the N&R thread. I'm just coopting it.

BunkhouseBuster wrote:

Brought forth by Reboot Guilliman!

Yeah. I'm taking that, too.

I will be happy when Nu-Marines completely phase out the current range.

 Traditio wrote:
GW is a corporation.

Corporations care about one thing, and one thing only: profit.

There is, I think, a not-unwarranted fear that marines are going the way of the dodo with the advent of nu-marines.

There is a very clear way to avoid this:

Boycott them.

Get everyone you know to boycott them.

Make attempting to sell the fluff abomination which is nu-marines a fiscally painful experience for GW.

To be clear, this is very much, unlike my previous "Boycott Magnus" thread.

That was all about balance.

This is about the fact that nu-marines are an existential threat to vintage marines.

You want GW to keep supporting vintage marines?

Then show them, with your wallets, that you refuse to allow them to be replaced.

This entire post is based on the assumption that this isn't a good idea. How so?

Why is it bad for a business venture? Is it not better for a business to want to risk capital in new procedures or new products? Why stick with the old if they can manufacture better items or products for their customers?

If you like to consider how this is a poor decision please tell me. I would like to be educated as to why this would be a horrible risk to a company?

What would be a risk is to do nothing and not release new products with the advent of a new product line. Their goal is to make money and that involves satisfying their customers and their shareholders.

Your position is one of the few vocal minority: Who will boycott and we can see in this thread a lot of people are opposed to boycotting GW. Because they aren't doing any harm to the IP. It is the companies decision to do whatever it wants with the IP at hand.

I see no reason to boycott them for their current business dealings. Infact I applaud them for taking a risk and doing something that upsets their product line and offers something new.

Removed by insaniak.

Asherian Command wrote:This entire post is based on the assumption that this isn't a good idea. How so?

Why is it bad for a business venture?

Nowhere in the OP did I make the claim that it's a bad idea for a business venture.

It's not worthy of a boycott because it's a bad for business. It's worthy of a boycott because it's bad for people who have already purchased the vintage models.

 Traditio wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:This entire post is based on the assumption that this isn't a good idea. How so?

Why is it bad for a business venture?

Nowhere in the OP did I make the claim that it's a bad idea for a business venture.

It's not worthy of a boycott because it's a bad for business. It's worthy of a boycott because it's bad for people who have already purchased the vintage models.

Can you prove that? Even if Primaris MArines do cause old marine units to be phased out, what stops people from just using their old marine models as primaris marines?

CrownAxe wrote:Can you prove that? Even if Primaris MArines do cause old marine units to be phased out, what stops people from just using their old marine models as primaris marines?

That's the rub, isn't it?

I don't know.

For casual PUGs, it may or may not be problematic.

For tournaments?

 Traditio wrote:

CrownAxe wrote:Can you prove that? Even if Primaris MArines do cause old marine units to be phased out, what stops people from just using their old marine models as primaris marines?

That's the rub, isn't it?

I don't know.

For casual PUGs, it may or may not be problematic.

For tournaments?

The people going to the kinds of tourneys that will care about it, will have the models.