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Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 02:15:29


Post by: Argive


Announcement is up!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/15/old-world-new-warhammer/

 ImAGeek wrote:
Old World? New Warhammer!!
You’ll never believe what we’re working on. The Studio had to tell us twice.



Yeah. For really reals.

In the deepest dungeons of the Warhammer Studio, the counsel of the wise have convened, ancient forges have been re-lit and work has already begun. So far… we’ve made the logo.

Next up, everything else.

You get the idea – this is a long way off. Years. More than two. Like three or more. Definitely not soon.

Obviously, this is really exciting news for all of us, and just like with Sisters of Battle, we’ll keep you updated with more news as the project unfolds.

For those of you who don’t know, in 2015, Warhammer: The Game of Fantasy Battles changed forever, in so far as Archaon destroyed the world. Classic Archaon.

Everything we knew of the Old World collapsed into a void of Chaos and infinite possibility. From that tumultuous storm came the Mortal Realms, heralding a new dawn of unending war in the Age of Sigmar.



Booooom!

From the reforged primordial soup and etheric energies of the Old World rose wonders we could never have imagined – armies of ghosts, fleets of aether-powered aircraft, Greenskin brutes the size of horses, and flying sharks! The heroes, villains, warriors and monsters of Warhammer Age of Sigmar represent the best range of fantasy miniatures in the world, beloved of a passionate, global gaming community. And over the past four years, Warhammer Age of Sigmar has become by far, the most successful fantasy game ever.

And yet, the Old World whispers from ages past with its siren song. We grow misty-eyed at the memory of long-lost heroes and glorious kingdoms laid to ruin and of mighty champions whose sagas are sung no more.

And of course, much of the lore of the Mortal Realms has its roots in the world that was – with some of it’s most venerable denizens being the very same that fought across those war-torn kingdoms (along with a small selection of choice magical artefacts.)



The Old World is to Warhammer Age of Sigmar, as the Horus Heresy is to Warhammer 40,000. The bedrock of lore from which mortals rose to godhood and legends were forged. And like the Horus Heresy, seeing those mythic heroes in action has an undeniable appeal, as does re-creating the glorious armies of a previous epoch – an exciting proposition for hobbyists and gamers alike. And now, we have a dedicated team in the Warhammer Studio beginning the work of bringing all that awesome back to the tabletop.

Exciting stuff!

If you’re itching to jump into the Old World right now, you can! There is a fantastic selection of computer games, such as Vermintide and Total War: Warhammer, offering a chance to engage in the enduring appeal of the setting.

And what next, then, for Warhammer Age of Sigmar?

There are some HUGE (some might say giant) plans for the Mortal Realms… More news soon. For now, we have to keep it hysh-hysh.


Original post:

Spoiler:
One of my FB group has shared a post from Warhammer Age of Sigmar FB page, they have dropped a picture of a square captioned "everything comes around again, even squares"

Now I cant share this pic because I'm at work and cant go on FB but look it up. I thought he was having a laugh but indeed, there it is.. I'm not big on social media apart from connecting with a few family and checking in with my local club so maybe Im missing something and its a troll post from a non legit site but their FB page seemed pretty legit when I looked.

So this is either: An exercise in gauging nerd rage and trolling on a whole new level, to which I would have to take my hat off and pat GW for having the gall and the balls to do that. This seems unlikely.

Nor do I think for a second they are going to change AOS to squares or even making it an option. After all, its taken time and a lot of PR effort and work to bring AOS up to what it is and it is very successful apparently.

So what on earth are they playing at ?

The dangling of the old world in front of people seems a little bit cruel, even for GW.. But I don't think they will re-launch WHFB, AOS is their new flagship and obviously a roaring success.

What I do think is that they have seen Conquest and KOW being extremely popular and competing with AOS as well as total war being huuuuge! I would imagine they'd get some data from 3rd party stores and FLGS along the way... (In my group everyone from WHFB went into those rather than stick with AOS but this is purely an anecdotal observation).

So I guess it shows R&F "squares" style of fantasy battles appeal to a lot of people. Looking at their track history, they are way deep into their offshoot specialist games so not sure how square bases fit into any of it. You'd need a lot of dudes for a rank and file game so its hardly a small specialist game territory.. Outside of being a new game/reboot of WHFB I just don't understand what on earth they are trying to do. It seems that ship has sailed on a sea of

So can they really not help themselves and want to get their grubby paws on the market share that's slipping and thinking they can get away with how they have treated their customer base? Sad thing is I'm pretty sure it would sell in seconds to those people that got shafted... Still it doesn't make sense.

I guess it will be revealed in their article tomorrow.

What's everybody thinking?



Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 02:19:51


Post by: Alpharius


I’m thinking that I’ve read about this somewhere else on here already and that you’ve already put a lot of thought into this!


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 02:20:52


Post by: Ghaz


 Alpharius wrote:
I’m thinking that I’ve read about this somewhere else on here already and that you’ve already put a lot of thought into this!

Maybe in the AoS thread...

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/9540/748195.page#10628713


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 02:25:09


Post by: BrianDavion


Does AOS have an apoclypse equivilant? if not could they be perhaps looking at putting out square bases again and putting out an AOS apoc style system that basicly utilizes fighting ranks etc ala WFB?


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 02:28:16


Post by: Argive


 Ghaz wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
I’m thinking that I’ve read about this somewhere else on here already and that you’ve already put a lot of thought into this!

Maybe in the AoS thread...

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/9540/748195.page#10628713


My Bad I don't frequent the AOS threads and I couldn't see anything with square bases in the title when I had a cursory look.
Apologies if I'm duplicating topics.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 02:34:02


Post by: Alpharius


No worries - it might end up warranting it - depending upon what it turns out to be!


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 02:37:11


Post by: Argive


 Alpharius wrote:
I’m thinking that I’ve read about this somewhere else on here already and that you’ve already put a lot of thought into this!


Hmm I guess I did put some thought into it. I only just saw the post so sorry if its old news. It was news to me.. It bugs me because it doesn't make sense and its annoying me because I can't figure it out I'm sure once they announce it will be like.. Well duh...

Well for my part I loved WHFB back in 6th ed. I'm currently doing the WH RPG campaign as well which is fun. How exactly we ended up with 3 elves in our party where 99.9% of the world is pox ridden peasantry with a life expectancy of a hamster in a snake den is unanswered

I have zero interest in AOS as I like spears and sword men in RAF. Luckily have total war to get a lot of my fix but its not quite the same.



Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 02:45:09


Post by: Kanluwen


BrianDavion wrote:
Does AOS have an apoclypse equivilant? if not could they be perhaps looking at putting out square bases again and putting out an AOS apoc style system that basicly utilizes fighting ranks etc ala WFB?

It doesn't really need one.

They talked about Warhammer Legends, which was going to bring point values and Allegiance Abilities to now defunct armies. That's probably what this is.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 02:51:38


Post by: Eldarain


 Kanluwen wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
Does AOS have an apoclypse equivilant? if not could they be perhaps looking at putting out square bases again and putting out an AOS apoc style system that basicly utilizes fighting ranks etc ala WFB?

It doesn't really need one.

They talked about Warhammer Legends, which was going to bring point values and Allegiance Abilities to now defunct armies. That's probably what this is.

So that they can play each other using AoS rules but old bases? Honestly asking. As this seems confusing.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 02:52:56


Post by: RiTides


I'm really curious, as someone whose main game was WHFB. Trying and failing to not get my hopes up

We'll find out tomorrow!


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 03:55:36


Post by: BrianDavion


 Kanluwen wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
Does AOS have an apoclypse equivilant? if not could they be perhaps looking at putting out square bases again and putting out an AOS apoc style system that basicly utilizes fighting ranks etc ala WFB?

It doesn't really need one.

They talked about Warhammer Legends, which was going to bring point values and Allegiance Abilities to now defunct armies. That's probably what this is.


no having played AOS, at all, why does it not really need an apoc game?



Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 04:10:28


Post by: Hollow


It already scales well.

I bet this is "Warhammer Legends"


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 04:21:19


Post by: Eldarain


Wasn't Legends a one time points level for squatted armies? Why would they switch to squares?


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 04:25:57


Post by: Argive


 RiTides wrote:
I'm really curious, as someone whose main game was WHFB. Trying and failing to not get my hopes up

We'll find out tomorrow!


Tell me about it! Part of me does hope they are crawling back for our ££ (highly unlikely)

If its legends I really don't see why they are putting so much of an emphasis on the base being square? They could just as easily previewed an old unit that has been rebased because they are just creating data sheets for units that don't exist any longer so the base is irrelevant. Featuring squares is like taking 100 steps backwards.

Surely anybody playing/transitioning to AOS would have rebased their units to round bases or will carry on playing WHFB/KOW or another ruleset entirely and I doubt they want anything to do with AOS.
All tis is achieving is stirring up bad-blood. Maybe their new FB intern was born before WHFB got killed off and thinks total war IP is a rip of off GW IP ?




Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 04:28:46


Post by: Ghaz


 Eldarain wrote:
Wasn't Legends a one time points level for squatted armies? Why would they switch to squares?

It doesn't say anything about switching to square bases, just that everything comes round again, even squares (i.e., models that were left on square bases because they were never updated for AoS beyond the Grand Alliance books - and maybe some that didn't even get that far?).


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 04:30:25


Post by: BrianDavion


another possiability is that they're putting out some sort of "base conversion" thingy so people with square bases can make their bases round?


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 04:36:38


Post by: Argive


Like a re-basing tool kit? Seems a stretch but it could literary be anything at this stage. Legends is the most likely culprit but ohh lord is that a bad execution....

it doesn't make sense and its annoying the bejeezus out of me! Cant wait till tomorrow to find out.

Are they really that unaware/not giving a damn?
Or is it just next level trolling? lol


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 04:38:09


Post by: BrianDavion


 Argive wrote:
Like a re-basing tool kit? Seems a stretch but it could literary be anything at this stage. Legends is the most likely culprit but ohh lord is that a bad execution....

it doesn't make sense and its annoying the bejeezus out of me! Cant wait till tomorrow to find out.

Are they really that unaware/not giving a damn?
Or is it just next level trolling? lol


truthfully some sort of kit to make going from square to around would be nice, and If they also put out a kit enabling 25mm to 32mm I'd buy a few for my older marines


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 04:52:01


Post by: Eldarain


 Ghaz wrote:
 Eldarain wrote:
Wasn't Legends a one time points level for squatted armies? Why would they switch to squares?

It doesn't say anything about switching to square bases, just that everything comes round again, even squares (i.e., models that were left on square bases because they were never updated for AoS beyond the Grand Alliance books - and maybe some that didn't even get that far?).

Ah that makes more sense. I didn't realize some stuff was left aside that long ago.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 05:14:08


Post by: Stormonu


 Eldarain wrote:
 Ghaz wrote:
 Eldarain wrote:
Wasn't Legends a one time points level for squatted armies? Why would they switch to squares?

It doesn't say anything about switching to square bases, just that everything comes round again, even squares (i.e., models that were left on square bases because they were never updated for AoS beyond the Grand Alliance books - and maybe some that didn't even get that far?).

Ah that makes more sense. I didn't realize some stuff was left aside that long ago.


Tomb Kings and Bretts come to mind
/not bitter at all

Actually, I think either they are coming back out with rank & file rules (maybe Warmaster, ala 40K's Apocalypse?) or it may be they just start selling square bases for those who want to do rank & file games.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 05:37:01


Post by: Argive


 Stormonu wrote:
 Eldarain wrote:
 Ghaz wrote:
 Eldarain wrote:
Wasn't Legends a one time points level for squatted armies? Why would they switch to squares?

It doesn't say anything about switching to square bases, just that everything comes round again, even squares (i.e., models that were left on square bases because they were never updated for AoS beyond the Grand Alliance books - and maybe some that didn't even get that far?).

Ah that makes more sense. I didn't realize some stuff was left aside that long ago.


Tomb Kings and Bretts come to mind
/not bitter at all

Actually, I think either they are coming back out with rank & file rules (maybe Warmaster, ala 40K's Apocalypse?) or it may be they just start selling square bases for those who want to do rank & file games.


It would make sense given the popularity of KOW & Conquest. They obviously would want a piece of that Rank & file pie, which is ironic as they decided that pie did not taste good...
At this stage that horse has bolted way out the stable dragging the stable hand along with it... It seems a strange direction whatever it is.

Rebasing models - I just use clippers/exacto to hack away the base and then exacto to clean the bottom of the feet, then glue to new base. Its a pain in the ass and but its the only way rly.. Freeze overnight and hope the glue is brittle so you can avoid that is an options but I don't see anything they could possibly release toold wise to be idiot proof enough to be viable lol.. A big cigar cutter comes to mind but people would loose fingers in that bad boy 100% hhaa


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 07:05:09


Post by: lord_blackfang


I'm glad ya all folks are doing well in society despite having flunked basic geometry in school, but you can't fit an AoS base around a square base of corresponding size.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 07:06:38


Post by: Marleymoo


Maybe they are bringing back classic Heroquest? My guess is some sort of nostalgia thing.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 07:10:20


Post by: GoatboyBeta


 Ghaz wrote:
 Eldarain wrote:
Wasn't Legends a one time points level for squatted armies? Why would they switch to squares?

It doesn't say anything about switching to square bases, just that everything comes round again, even squares (i.e., models that were left on square bases because they were never updated for AoS beyond the Grand Alliance books - and maybe some that didn't even get that far?).


Yeah I'm thinking its going to effectively be LCTB for square bases, with everything still on them getting moved to rounds/ovals.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 07:25:14


Post by: Albertorius


 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm glad ya all folks are doing well in society despite having flunked basic geometry in school, but you can't fit an AoS base around a square base of corresponding size.


The corresponding size of a 20mm square would be a 25mm round, a 25mm square would be a 32mm round, and so on and so forth, so... yeah?

I mean, it might not be absolutely perfect, but it already works if you want it:

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2952975


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 07:33:10


Post by: TwilightSparkles


You say Conquest and KoW is popular, yet I'd say that is a very localised view. A popular UK web store can't shift Conquest starters at 30% off, I went to a national uk wargames show and a sealed starter sat on bring and buy at £30 and no one was even touching it.

KOW does have a following, but not many UK stores keep much, if any, stock of it despite Mantic being a UK company, the FLGS near me both got disinterested in Mantic when they started launching everything via KS. Granted this is not the case fir KOW 3rd but I just don't see anyone playing it much or even asking if anyone wants a game.

Pretty certain this announcement is the Legends book, they'll wrap up all the abandoned models and give some abandoned armies updated artefacts etc along with non tournament matched play points. I do t see it being a mass battle AoS because it's not been previewed and the new GW style is sneak peak for major releases at a show or con, then drip feed build up to week before release.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 07:50:47


Post by: Gimgamgoo


 Albertorius wrote:
 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm glad ya all folks are doing well in society despite having flunked basic geometry in school, but you can't fit an AoS base around a square base of corresponding size.


The corresponding size of a 20mm square would be a 25mm round, a 25mm square would be a 32mm round, and so on and so forth, so... yeah?

I mean, it might not be absolutely perfect, but it already works if you want it:

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2952975


I just see GW coming up with round/oval converters for all us 'poor saps' that still use square bases for rank and file games like KoW.

And yes... they'll fit fine.
Convert 20mm squares to 40mm rounds and 25mm squares to 50mm rounds. Also a height boost by an inch. Then we'll scale nicely with AoS/Masters of the Universe.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 08:45:55


Post by: Tyranid Horde


I don't know how common this is for AoS kits but I've gotten square and round bases with my drakespawn knights, shadow warriors and eternal guard. Is this an old thing?


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 08:53:54


Post by: BrianDavion


 TwilightSparkles wrote:
You say Conquest and KoW is popular, yet I'd say that is a very localised view. A popular UK web store can't shift Conquest starters at 30% off, I went to a national uk wargames show and a sealed starter sat on bring and buy at £30 and no one was even touching it.

KOW does have a following, but not many UK stores keep much, if any, stock of it despite Mantic being a UK company, the FLGS near me both got disinterested in Mantic when they started launching everything via KS. Granted this is not the case fir KOW 3rd but I just don't see anyone playing it much or even asking if anyone wants a game.

Pretty certain this announcement is the Legends book, they'll wrap up all the abandoned models and give some abandoned armies updated artefacts etc along with non tournament matched play points. I do t see it being a mass battle AoS because it's not been previewed and the new GW style is sneak peak for major releases at a show or con, then drip feed build up to week before release.


it's possiable that GW could be making square bases avalaible again, if they feel there are eneugh old skool players with OCD to warrent it..


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 08:57:02


Post by: Cronch


 Tyranid Horde wrote:
I don't know how common this is for AoS kits but I've gotten square and round bases with my drakespawn knights, shadow warriors and eternal guard. Is this an old thing?

If you get an old kit (made during WFB days) from GW online directly, they just throw in the round bases.

Anyway, I really wouldn't get too excited, I bet it's just them updating the Legends with squatted Cities of Sigmar models and (possibly) what will be squatted during the new Slaves to Darkness book. This way they will be done with all book-less kits and can never touch legends again. The joke in the picture is, after all, that even squares come a-round, not rounds come a-square.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 11:35:37


Post by: Sarouan


I think it just means that they will sell square bases again on their webstore. If that's the case, then it's a good new for people needing square bases for whatever reason.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 12:06:05


Post by: nurgle5


Seems like it might be a bit more than just square bases -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpnLjwOn5tg


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 12:08:47


Post by: Galas


GW dont make this to me... Stop giving me hope...


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 12:11:52


Post by: willb2064


Warhammer Legends under FW? Yes please. That was literally what I wrote in the "what else shall we do" section of the customer survey they did a year or so back.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 12:13:35


Post by: Albertorius


Ah, ok then. So they've seen that TW:Warhammer was a hit then


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 12:18:01


Post by: Dread Master


So they’re going to bring back fantasy as a Horus Heresy style lead in for AoS. Jeez.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 12:18:32


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Could be Time of Myth, which falls between the destruction of The World That Was, and the Time of Chaos.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 12:20:43


Post by: Cronch


I still hope it's just Legends update. We've just managed to get rid of the last grogs :c


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 12:20:44


Post by: wiper


Looking forward(?) to re-re-basing my night goblins to play with proper rank-and-file hordes once more!

(I'm actually guessing/hoping the need for that will be obviated by War of the Ring style tray adapters)


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 12:26:03


Post by: auticus


I hope its bringing back a proper squares based game so that the other side of the fence that GW has alienated has something that they can enjoy.

Because as a business... I would think they want to maximize their target audience as much as possible. And AOS...well... AOS is night and day from what people that got into this for rank and flank want.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 12:26:25


Post by: zend


Killed it off due to dwindling sales, removed half the models for it from sale.... thing bring it back as a specialist game at undoubtedly higher prices that no one will want to pay?

Brilliant.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 12:36:06


Post by: tneva82


 zend wrote:
Killed it off due to dwindling sales, removed half the models for it from sale.... thing bring it back as a specialist game at undoubtedly higher prices that no one will want to pay?

Brilliant.


Well they killed the sales themselves when they pulled resources from making fb stuff into making aos when fb was still top3 miniature game selling. When kits sell almost all lifetime sales in few months and you don'' release new kits sales obviously die up.

Fb dying was gw deciding to kill it because to kirby anything that didn't sell space marine level was failure


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 12:38:53


Post by: RiTides


 nurgle5 wrote:
Seems like it might be a bit more than just square bases -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpnLjwOn5tg

Wow, that was well done . Had to watch it a few times, really enjoyed their theatrics

Come on 3pm! Must keep hope in check..........


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 12:41:11


Post by: nurgle5


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Could be Time of Myth, which falls between the destruction of The World That Was, and the Time of Chaos.


Huh, that could be interesting -- a possible vehicle for "primarch" miniatures for the likes of Sigmar, Grimnir, Teclis, etc. Maybe even some of the godbeasts.

 zend wrote:
Killed it off due to dwindling sales, removed half the models for it from sale.... thing bring it back as a specialist game at undoubtedly higher prices that no one will want to pay?

Brilliant.


Oh man, I didn't even think to get preemptively annoyed about this -- I was just going to wait until 3pm like a fool!


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 12:46:38


Post by: Tiberius501


I’m going to say this is probably going to flesh out the age of myth, rather than be a fantasy re-do.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 12:50:05


Post by: auticus


I don't mind the lore and background of AOS. I just want a game that isn't AOS lol. I don't like AOS's rules at all, and would love a warmaster style or whfb style game, set in the age of myth would be great.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 12:55:34


Post by: Latro_


Will be square movement trays to put all ye AoS models in to move them like a WHF regiment ...


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Post by: Chikout


If they bring back fantasy, they should set it during the War of the Beard. It would let them focus on a smaller variety of armies, and flesh out the setting in much the same way the Horus heresy has.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 12:57:50


Post by: RiTides


That's exactly the same for me, auticus - I don't mind it, but there's a reason I always preferred WHFB despite being a scifi guy for almost everything else. I just like the game! I've given AoS, WarCry and Underworlds a try (and played Underworlds quite a bit!), but none of them are similar in gameplay, only setting.

So here's hoping for a rank and flank legacy game with FW at the helm... I'd be so into it!


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 13:00:37


Post by: Yodhrin


I'm the exact opposite - I liked WHFB, but what I loved was the WHF setting.

Honestly I don't know if I trust them to do it justice any more, so I kinda hope it is an Age of Myth thing and they leave WHF to the fans.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 13:00:48


Post by: H


Considering how much Fantasy stuff I still have and the fact that I would never, ever put any of it on a round base, this does have me intrigued.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 13:03:15


Post by: Cronch


 auticus wrote:
I don't mind the lore and background of AOS. I just want a game that isn't AOS lol. I don't like AOS's rules at all, and would love a warmaster style or whfb style game, set in the age of myth would be great.

9th age exists, it compounds the worst faults of WFB 8th ed, so sounds perfect for WFB fans.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 13:09:50


Post by: Kroem


Wow what's going on? I can't watch the youtube vid at work but is WHFB back?

Perhaps I'll no longer have to trawl through old white dwarfs for cool articles and battle reports! These aren't tears, the humidity is just high in here


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 13:11:59


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


We don’t know 100%, but the tease vid is referencing a Heresy era for AoS etc....and square bases. In a knowing way.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 13:13:34


Post by: terry


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Could be Time of Myth, which falls between the destruction of The World That Was, and the Time of Chaos.

looking on the official age of sigmar website, the age of myth seems out of place for a wargame, perhapse the end as the age of myth became the age of chaos


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 13:14:11


Post by: dyndraig


This is some exciting stuff. I'm happily playing KoW and have no interest in rulesets designed by mordern GW, but it's still interesting to see where this might go!


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 13:19:56


Post by: Kroem


Thanks MDG!
I think they would be a little crazy not to capitalise on the popularity of The Old World due to the TW game, but I'll keep an eye on the news.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 13:27:37


Post by: Bearblu


I really hope in some sort of WHFB re-edition. Still have 2000 points of Tomb Kings on square base =)


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 13:33:01


Post by: lord_blackfang


Seriously, KoW is a better game than anything GW ever was, is, or will be able to produce. Getting excited over a hypothetical square base ruleset from GW for the sole reason that it's from GW is pure Stockholm syndrome and the reason they can get away with selling pure gak.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 13:36:05


Post by: auticus


Cronch wrote:
 auticus wrote:
I don't mind the lore and background of AOS. I just want a game that isn't AOS lol. I don't like AOS's rules at all, and would love a warmaster style or whfb style game, set in the age of myth would be great.

9th age exists, it compounds the worst faults of WFB 8th ed, so sounds perfect for WFB fans.


No one here near me in 100 miles plays 9th age so that game might as well not exist. The sad reality is that people will play GW games no matter what, and a GW version of a fantasy game with rank and flank would produce players, while fan made systems like 9th age no one around me will touch.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 13:37:55


Post by: H


 lord_blackfang wrote:
Seriously, KoW is a better game than anything GW ever was, is, or will be able to produce. Getting excited over a hypothetical square base ruleset from GW for the sole reason that it's from GW is pure Stockholm syndrome and the reason they can get away with selling pure gak.

Well, regardless of which rule set is better, per se, what intrigues me about this is that it means some of the "Legends" stuff might become regular stock items. Notably the Tomb Kings stuff, but there are others as well. This just gives one more options on models to use in whatever rule set you do favor which hardly seems like a bad thing.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 13:41:02


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


I hope they redo the bits of the Tomb Kings that need it. Those skellingtons are awful.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 13:45:11


Post by: Cataphract


Temperance here. All is speculation for about another hour so let’s wait and see before jumping to disappointing conclusions.

Says I with the Chaos Warriors and Empire armies on Square bases.


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Post by: H


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I hope they redo the bits of the Tomb Kings that need it. Those skellingtons are awful.

Oh, yeah, not the skeletons, of course, those things are comically bad

I mean, more so, the kits that were redone right before being Squatted, like the Cataphracts, the Necrosphinx and I can't remember which else. Those ones are actually good, modern plastics which likely have sunk-in investment in prefect serviceable molds just gathering dust. Those ancient, terrible skeletons, well, someone should definitely "accidently" drop those on the floor until they are broken,


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 13:49:21


Post by: Kroem


I like the shields on the tomb kings skeletons.

Hopefully fantasy ork boys will come back too, it was a travesty getting rid of them in the first place!


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 13:50:16


Post by: jojo_monkey_boy


Tony is from forge world and the video references the horus heresy, so I would not be surprised by a new game system using older gw rules or some variation of them, just as the horus heresy does.

They may be looking at all older players who still have fond memories for wfb and who also have the budget to buy an army at forge world prices. Which would make the situation almost the exact same as the heresy game.


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Post by: nurgle5


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I hope they redo the bits of the Tomb Kings that need it. Those skellingtons are awful.


Did you not enjoy the bit of lore about how Khemrians had giant skeletons because they were all like 8ft tall? I believe it was from the same creative team behind the "butcher's nails make your hands huge" bit of background.



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Post by: H


 Kroem wrote:
I like the shields on the tomb kings skeletons.

Hopefully fantasy ork boys will come back too, it was a travesty getting rid of them in the first place!

Yeah, my "plan" since I actually have a whole bunch of old Tomb Kings stuff laying around unbuilt was to use the skeleton's "accessories" on something like the Vampire Counts skeletons. However, with the seeming quality of TTCombat's new stuff from the recent Kickstarter, I was getting different ideas. Now, well, let's see what we think post this announcement.

I've got a fairly big Fantasy Ork army that I bought complete off someone years and years ago. I actually have no idea what 90% of it even is and even less of an idea if I even want it, haha. Needless to say, any excuse to get back into Fantasy, well, sounds at least reasonable to me.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 13:59:53


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


 nurgle5 wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I hope they redo the bits of the Tomb Kings that need it. Those skellingtons are awful.


Did you not enjoy the bit of lore about how Khemrians had giant skeletons because they were all like 8ft tall? I believe it was from the same creative team behind the "butcher's nails make your hands huge" bit of background.



Oh it's not the size of them. That bit of lore works quite nicely. It's just the basic models were showing their age as soon as the Vampire Count Skellingtons arrived!


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Also, secretly hoping I can unleash my 18 strong Ogre Hordes once again.

I know people don't think terribly highly of 8th, but Monstrous Infantry in Hordes were fun.

Even when they got horribly lawn mowered by Witch Elves with Okkam's Mind Razor (my poor, poor Ironguts!)


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 14:10:49


Post by: Carlovonsexron


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I hope they redo the bits of the Tomb Kings that need it. Those skellingtons are awful.


The most recent tomb guard set (of only 10 infantry) was pretty great. I really, really want them again...


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 14:13:47


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Yup. Those were very nice, and a great example of how they could've updated the Khemri Skellingtons.


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Post by: blood reaper


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I hope they redo the bits of the Tomb Kings that need it. Those skellingtons are awful.


They honestly could've done something really fun with an Undead Order Army using the Tomb Kings Tomb Guard as standard infantry; the sculpts are relatively modern, look excellent and would've been an awesome 'standard infantry' for some 'good' Undead.

Instead we get General Grievous and the eventual replacements for the current VC skeletons. The sculpts are, honest to god, hideous. A ton of people were eager to defend them on the basis they were 'different', but hey if I crapped on a plate and served it up in a restaurant, just because it was different wouldn't mean it would be good.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 14:17:48


Post by: stonehorse


 nurgle5 wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I hope they redo the bits of the Tomb Kings that need it. Those skellingtons are awful.


Did you not enjoy the bit of lore about how Khemrians had giant skeletons because they were all like 8ft tall? I believe it was from the same creative team behind the "butcher's nails make your hands huge" bit of background.



The fluff reason for the large skeletons was a nice touch and helped tie into the whole 'Humans have fallen from a Golden Age' idea, that Khemria is now a desert wasteland also helped to show just how far they had fallen.

Back on topic.
I'd wager money on it being an Age of Sigmar equivalent of Horus Heresy. Uses the old WFB rules (modified 8th edition), but is set in the time of Myth, which is meant to be between the End Times and the Age of Sigmar. A bit like how Horus Heresy is set before 40K, and uses a modified 7th edition rules.

What will be painful to see is the Forge World prices, as no doubt this will be a Forge World release.

While it is nice to see rank and file coming back, I think the style of game is amply catered for by Kings of War. That being said, given the nature of Kings of War, any nice miniatures that GW make can find themselves in a Kings of War force. So, ultimately the gaming community as a whole benefits.


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Post by: Yodhrin


Even the Tomb Guard weren't that great relative to the VC Skellies. The detailing was nice, but the proportions were almost as wonko as the ancient regular skeleton infantry.

Besides which, Tony Cottrell being on the teaser isn't a coinkidink - if this really is a return of WHFB, it'll be new models, and they'll be resin from FW. Resin skeletons...*shudder*.

Also, pray the scale of the games is closer to 6th than 8th if the models do come from FW, or you'll need to create some monstrous orphan organ harvesting scheme to afford an army


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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


 blood reaper wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I hope they redo the bits of the Tomb Kings that need it. Those skellingtons are awful.


They honestly could've done something really fun with an Undead Order Army using the Tomb Kings Tomb Guard as standard infantry; the sculpts are relatively modern, look excellent and would've been an awesome 'standard infantry' for some 'good' Undead.

Instead we get General Grievous and the eventual replacements for the current VC skeletons. The sculpts are, honest to god, hideous. A ton of people were eager to defend them on the basis they were 'different', but hey if I crapped on a plate and served it up in a restaurant, just because it was different wouldn't mean it would be good.


Well, opinions differ

I really like the Ossiarch's look. They're beings made of bone, rather than Skellingtons re-animated. I do get why they're somewhat divisive though.

Which reminds me, I must remember to finish reading their book!


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Post by: Kirasu


Bases dont even matter in AOS (like most of the rules lol) and its pretty absurd to think they're changing the type of base again. This just feels like more making fun of their own changes and/or community outrage.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 14:30:36


Post by: Necros


Always planned to rebase my old WFB minis to round ones when AOS came out, glad I was lazy and didn't

Personally I like the look of round bases on minis better than square, just for looks. Maybe they will put out some movement trays that let you rank up the round bases?


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 14:36:38


Post by: auticus


If this is indeed a "horus heresy" for AOS, using an older ruleset with square bases, ranks, flanks, etc... I will be rejoining the table.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 14:41:43


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


 Kirasu wrote:
Bases dont even matter in AOS (like most of the rules lol) and its pretty absurd to think they're changing the type of base again. This just feels like more making fun of their own changes and/or community outrage.


Doesn't seem they are. Video heavily hints this is a new system, and we can infer it's rank 'n' flank due to square bases.


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Post by: kodos


They have seen that people are willing to pay premium prices for Specialist Games

With Necromunda & Titanicus Boxes for 230€ selling well enough and ForgeWorld now being able to get plastic stuff done, I can see why GW will do such a thing

Question is just which rules they are going to use (as they won't make new ones, same with the other SG).

With a 6th Edition based game, I will take a closer look and maybe buy the rules
8th edition and this game may not exist as well

Anyhow, I am happy with KoW and will stick with that, as it has everything I want from a R&F game and I am not in the mood anymore to handle single model mechanics for 40 model units that are not more than a core tax for the big monsters

(same reason why I am not really comfortable with 9th Age, too many annoying stuff from 8th edition made it into that game, although I consider it an option as it is the only R&F system played at tournaments around here)

 Kirasu wrote:
Bases dont even matter in AOS


Bases matter enough that you won't be allowed to play with square bases (or wrong base size in general) at events as it would be a big advantage


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Post by: Luke82


It’s got to be the legends stuff for old armies in AoS surely.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 14:51:34


Post by: shinros


 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
Tony is from forge world and the video references the horus heresy, so I would not be surprised by a new game system using older gw rules or some variation of them, just as the horus heresy does.

They may be looking at all older players who still have fond memories for wfb and who also have the budget to buy an army at forge world prices. Which would make the situation almost the exact same as the heresy game.


Pretty much, hence why I think expectations should be tempered imo.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 14:57:29


Post by: Arklite


shinros wrote:
 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
Tony is from forge world and the video references the horus heresy, so I would not be surprised by a new game system using older gw rules or some variation of them, just as the horus heresy does.

They may be looking at all older players who still have fond memories for wfb and who also have the budget to buy an army at forge world prices. Which would make the situation almost the exact same as the heresy game.


Pretty much, hence why I think expectations should be tempered imo.



I'm not getting my hopes up, but I would be ecstatic if some new items were made for the Old World. I just can't get into AOS. The background is what always drew me to WHFB, and the planar-concept of AOS holds no interest for me. Also, I can't stand the imagery.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 14:59:58


Post by: ImAGeek


https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/15/old-world-new-warhammer/

Old World? New Warhammer!!
You’ll never believe what we’re working on. The Studio had to tell us twice.

Spoiler:



Yeah. For really reals.

In the deepest dungeons of the Warhammer Studio, the counsel of the wise have convened, ancient forges have been re-lit and work has already begun. So far… we’ve made the logo.

Next up, everything else.

You get the idea – this is a long way off. Years. More than two. Like three or more. Definitely not soon.

Obviously, this is really exciting news for all of us, and just like with Sisters of Battle, we’ll keep you updated with more news as the project unfolds.

For those of you who don’t know, in 2015, Warhammer: The Game of Fantasy Battles changed forever, in so far as Archaon destroyed the world. Classic Archaon.

Everything we knew of the Old World collapsed into a void of Chaos and infinite possibility. From that tumultuous storm came the Mortal Realms, heralding a new dawn of unending war in the Age of Sigmar.


Booooom!

From the reforged primordial soup and etheric energies of the Old World rose wonders we could never have imagined – armies of ghosts, fleets of aether-powered aircraft, Greenskin brutes the size of horses, and flying sharks! The heroes, villains, warriors and monsters of Warhammer Age of Sigmar represent the best range of fantasy miniatures in the world, beloved of a passionate, global gaming community. And over the past four years, Warhammer Age of Sigmar has become by far, the most successful fantasy game ever.

And yet, the Old World whispers from ages past with its siren song. We grow misty-eyed at the memory of long-lost heroes and glorious kingdoms laid to ruin and of mighty champions whose sagas are sung no more.

And of course, much of the lore of the Mortal Realms has its roots in the world that was – with some of it’s most venerable denizens being the very same that fought across those war-torn kingdoms (along with a small selection of choice magical artefacts.)



The Old World is to Warhammer Age of Sigmar, as the Horus Heresy is to Warhammer 40,000. The bedrock of lore from which mortals rose to godhood and legends were forged. And like the Horus Heresy, seeing those mythic heroes in action has an undeniable appeal, as does re-creating the glorious armies of a previous epoch – an exciting proposition for hobbyists and gamers alike. And now, we have a dedicated team in the Warhammer Studio beginning the work of bringing all that awesome back to the tabletop.

Exciting stuff!

If you’re itching to jump into the Old World right now, you can! There is a fantastic selection of computer games, such as Vermintide and Total War: Warhammer, offering a chance to engage in the enduring appeal of the setting.

And what next, then, for Warhammer Age of Sigmar?

There are some HUGE (some might say giant) plans for the Mortal Realms… More news soon. For now, we have to keep it hysh-hysh.




Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 15:00:35


Post by: tneva82


 H wrote:
 lord_blackfang wrote:
Seriously, KoW is a better game than anything GW ever was, is, or will be able to produce. Getting excited over a hypothetical square base ruleset from GW for the sole reason that it's from GW is pure Stockholm syndrome and the reason they can get away with selling pure gak.

Well, regardless of which rule set is better, per se, what intrigues me about this is that it means some of the "Legends" stuff might become regular stock items. Notably the Tomb Kings stuff, but there are others as well. This just gives one more options on models to use in whatever rule set you do favor which hardly seems like a bad thing.


40k legend stuff is exactly stuff not on sale period. Has gw said aos legends is different?


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 15:01:17


Post by: Arklite


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Boom goes the dynamite.


*Shots Fired*


Wow....


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Post by: CthuluIsSpy


Got an update




Old World coming back, but it ain't going to be soon.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 15:02:50


Post by: shinros


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Boom goes the dynamite.


See here's the thing, I don't see the point of this announcement when it's years away and it's being handled by forge world. As I said in my last post, tempering expectations.


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Post by: flamingkillamajig


Fantasy is back baby! Check the news. Sounds like it'll take years though to get back up.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 15:04:45


Post by: RiTides


Love it, just a bummer it's so far off. Still fantastic news!!!


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 15:05:12


Post by: terry


also the end of the article makes it sounds like a form of apo is coming to AoS besides the return to the old world


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Post by: Darsath


Not sure I see the point in this announcement if I'm being honest. The game is 2-3 years away, and the only thing they have at the moment is a logo.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 15:05:40


Post by: The Green one


Fantasy will return, I am overjoyed!


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 15:06:13


Post by: terry


 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Fantasy is back baby! Check the news. Sounds like it'll take years though to get back up.

the old world is coming back, we don't know how exactly, it might be a completely different game in the same setting


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 15:06:36


Post by: shinros


Darsath wrote:
Not sure I see the point in this announcement if I'm being honest. The game is 2-3 years away, and the only thing they have at the moment is a logo.


Yup, and let's be real for a moment after chapterhouse you really think GW aren't going to mess with the setting in some capacity?


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Post by: Cronch


terry wrote:
also the end of the article makes it sounds like a form of apo is coming to AoS besides the return to the old world

It mentions Hysh, so most likely references the Light Elves of Tyrion.

That aside, great, they dug up the corpse and will now wear it like a bathrobe and worse, waste studio time and effort on it.


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Post by: GaroRobe


I'm out. Too far in the future for me to get excited about atm and in the off chance old models return, now I'll avoid buying oop models off Ebay


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Post by: tneva82


shinros wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Boom goes the dynamite.


See here's the thing, I don't see the point of this announcement when it's years away and it's being handled by forge world. As I said in my last post, tempering expectations.


There was no point for gw to early leak sisters either to build up hype. Yet they did. Unlike old gw new gw understands pr. About only thing that changed


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Post by: Voss


terry wrote:
also the end of the article makes it sounds like a form of apo is coming to AoS besides the return to the old world


Really, I just took it as new arc and associated armies centered around Hysh. Realm of Light and draenei High Elves and whatever.


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Post by: Chikout


As someone who prefers AOS but understands the nostalgia for the old world, I’m ok with it coming back but also glad it’s not soon. AOS will be a mature enough game by then to stand on its own and not get swamped by a wave of old world nostalgia.

Honestly the most exciting part of that article for me were the hints about AOS giants and Hysh.


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Post by: shinros


tneva82 wrote:
shinros wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Boom goes the dynamite.


See here's the thing, I don't see the point of this announcement when it's years away and it's being handled by forge world. As I said in my last post, tempering expectations.


There was no point for gw to early leak sisters either to build up hype. Yet they did. Unlike old gw new gw understands pr. About only thing that changed


If I recall correctly the time frame for sisters was shorter, they are literally saying years away in this trailer. I honestly think it's not going to be the same.


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Post by: Huron black heart


I'm happy it's coming back in one capacity or another, but not so sure about announcing it with 2-3 years to wait.


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Post by: tneva82


shinros wrote:
Darsath wrote:
Not sure I see the point in this announcement if I'm being honest. The game is 2-3 years away, and the only thing they have at the moment is a logo.


Yup, and let's be real for a moment after chapterhouse you really think GW aren't going to mess with the setting in some capacity?


Maybe gw has learned all they did with those is make silly names that have zero effect on 3rd party sales? Note they have relaxed their attittudes and done things now they never did after chapter house and show miniatures months ahead giving 3rd parties time to put in alternatives before official model comes


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Post by: Boss Salvage


*sighs*

So. KOW 3E hits and shows real signs of growth, while ASOIAF looks like it might escape the CMON vortex and start to gain momentum itself. GW meanwhile takes serious flak for junking core parts of the WHFB legacy (read: High Elves), scraping others together into an unfocused hodge podge effort (Cities of Sigmar, vaguely The Orc Book) and being pretty unclear about what they're doing with others (Tomb Kings + Brets). There's some fumbling around behind the scenes, some numbers get crunched, backstock of legacy models evaluated, and a vague as feth announcement about returning to the RNF market, you know eventually, is made while they figure out how little they can invest and how hard they can lean on the Warhammer name. The gestures towards the hit video games set in that world sorta confirm this is about IP leveraging, name recognition and nostalgia, with no models or plans to even hint at.

The GeeDubbery is strong with this one


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Post by: H


tneva82 wrote:
40k legend stuff is exactly stuff not on sale period. Has gw said aos legends is different?

Honestly, I have no idea. I probably am not succinct enough in my terminology. All I meant was that I hope it "returns" old Fantasy stuff not currently in regular production to regular production.

Darsath wrote:
Not sure I see the point in this announcement if I'm being honest. The game is 2-3 years away, and the only thing they have at the moment is a logo.

Realistically, I think it's a "shots fired" kind of thing, with regards to other companies and to have people, who are/were interested in the "old" aesthetics and gameplay, to pay more attention to GW again.


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Post by: shinros


tneva82 wrote:
shinros wrote:
Darsath wrote:
Not sure I see the point in this announcement if I'm being honest. The game is 2-3 years away, and the only thing they have at the moment is a logo.


Yup, and let's be real for a moment after chapterhouse you really think GW aren't going to mess with the setting in some capacity?


Maybe gw has learned all they did with those is make silly names that have zero effect on 3rd party sales? Note they have relaxed their attittudes and done things now they never did after chapter house and show miniatures months ahead giving 3rd parties time to put in alternatives before official model comes


Well I am the cynical one, I think they are going to change the setting in some way.

 Boss Salvage wrote:
*sighs*

So. KOW 3E hits and shows real signs of growth, while ASOIAF looks like it might escape the CMON vortex and start to gain momentum itself. GW meanwhile takes serious flak for junking core parts of the WHFB legacy (read: High Elves), scraping others together into an unfocused hodge podge effort (Cities of Sigmar, vaguely The Orc Book) and being pretty unclear about what they're doing with others (Tomb Kings + Brets). There's some fumbling around behind the scenes, some numbers get crunched, backstock of legacy models evaluated, and a vague as feth announcement about returning to the RNF market, you know eventually, is made while they figure out how little they can invest and how hard they can lean on the Warhammer name. The gestures towards the hit video games set in that world sorta confirm this is about IP leveraging, name recognition and nostalgia, with no models or plans to even hint at.

The GeeDubbery is strong with this one


See I prefer AOS but this is sort of my view on the subject, they are essentially dragging out a battered corpse.


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Post by: Necros


The fact that they keep saying it's years away makes me think it's really not


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Post by: Insane Ivan


And what next, then, for Warhammer Age of Sigmar?

There are some HUGE (some might say giant) plans for the Mortal Realms… More news soon. For now, we have to keep it hysh-hysh.

An army of Light Gargants?


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Post by: Alpharius


The Olde Worlde was and is awesome.

I look forward to seeing what this all means.

Especially if it means I'll be able to play a mass battle ranked up fantasy game AND find opponents near me!


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Post by: Voss


shinros wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
shinros wrote:
Darsath wrote:
Not sure I see the point in this announcement if I'm being honest. The game is 2-3 years away, and the only thing they have at the moment is a logo.


Yup, and let's be real for a moment after chapterhouse you really think GW aren't going to mess with the setting in some capacity?


Maybe gw has learned all they did with those is make silly names that have zero effect on 3rd party sales? Note they have relaxed their attittudes and done things now they never did after chapter house and show miniatures months ahead giving 3rd parties time to put in alternatives before official model comes


Well I am the cynical one, I think they are going to change the setting in some way.

That would make doing it (and announcing it) incredibly pointless.


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Post by: ImAGeek


I like AoS, but I do miss the Old World setting sometimes, so I’m looking forward to this even if just for some more of the setting.


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Post by: terry


 Boss Salvage wrote:
and being pretty unclear about what they're doing with others (Tomb Kings + Brets).

Those 2 factions are compendium armies, without current models, so you can assume that they're not coming to AoS as a fully fledged army


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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Ahhhhh, GW do something people have been asking for.

Then comes the complaining.


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Post by: shinros


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Ahhhhh, GW do something people have been asking for.

Then comes the complaining.


Nah, I am just trying to remain realistic. I honestly don't think it's not going to be the same(lore wise) and then the question is what edition are they going to build from?


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Post by: oni


I'm absolutely floored by this news.

I love the comparison. That The Old World is AoS's Horus Heresy.

Well played GW. Well played indeed.


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Post by: Polonius


This seems really smart to me. GW likes money. Age of Sigmar has succeeded beyond any reasonable expectations (outside of the GW board rooms dreams), but it was a very bold move to reboot a game. Five years later, it's barely even a reboot anymore, it's a completely different game. How many battletome armies include old world models still?

I think GW saw that AOS has built a fan base more or less separate from WFB, and that other companies were filling the void they left. Kings of War is going strong, 9th Age won't die, and ASOIAF is looking feisty. Why not sell some rule books and backstock minis?


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Post by: shinros


 Polonius wrote:
This seems really smart to me. GW likes money. Age of Sigmar has succeeded beyond any reasonable expectations (outside of the GW board rooms dreams), but it was a very bold move to reboot a game. Five years later, it's barely even a reboot anymore, it's a completely different game. How many battletome armies include old world models still?

I think GW saw that AOS has built a fan base more or less separate from WFB, and that other companies were filling the void they left. Kings of War is going strong, 9th Age won't die, and ASOIAF is looking feisty. Why not sell some rule books and backstock minis?
#

Yup this essentially a pure business decision to undercut the competition. Good move.


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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Interestingly, it's billed as a Warhammer Studios project - not a Specialist Games project.

In theory, that means full plastic armies, rather than FW resin stuff.

Wonder how far back they'll go? Could we see earlier Nagash vs Still A Man Sigmar?


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Post by: Boss Salvage


 Alpharius wrote:
Especially if it means I'll be able to play a mass battle ranked up fantasy game AND find opponents near me!
I mean, KOW is bloody great and the Northeast is one of the best places to play it IMHO, with lots of chill players and awesome modellers


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Post by: Inquisitor Kallus


FW announced a little while ago that they were going to be doing WFB again, I imagine this is just related to that


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Post by: Tim the Biovore


shinros wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Ahhhhh, GW do something people have been asking for.

Then comes the complaining.


Nah, I am just trying to remain realistic. I honestly don't think it's not going to be the same(lore wise) and then the question is what edition are they going to build from?


I don't think that's realistic at all. There's absolutely no reason for them to return to the Old World other than the established lore and characters that make it worth knowing. And I wouldn't expect it to be "built from" any edition other than 8th. They might retool things that coincidentally resemble aspects of previous editions, but 8th was the last one they approved of in the old format, so that'll be it.


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Post by: lord_blackfang


This is straight up GW trying to take the wind out of Mantic's sails, announcing a competing product that's 3 years off during KoW's 3rd edition release. And the battered wives come flocking back, because this time will be different, really.


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Post by: Sarouan


Heh, I didn't expect a real return of the Old World. They're saying it's years ahead and made a specific logo, so I suspect it will be a new game indeed.

Yes, it's completely about nostalgia, but it is a powerful force - it's why KoW and 9th Age are around, after all. I guess people from these games won't be too happy if it hits the retail, because they know Mantic Games or 9th Age can't compete with GW's marketing machine and sucking a lot of their player base back under their rule.


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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Building off 8th doesn't sound like a 3 year project?

If they were, it'd be tweak the rule book (perhaps remove 'more ranks steadfast', or clarify it), then reprint the still compatible Army Books.

I wouldn't be surprised if we see a more radical change to the rules.


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Post by: Overread


 Necros wrote:
The fact that they keep saying it's years away makes me think it's really not


Naw it really is. GW are honestly pretty good with their estimations and they generally don't try to mask it. If they say it might take 2-3 years then expect it to take 2-3 years (which means 3 years minimum). If they can do it faster they will, but I think that its pretty sensible time span. If we assume they are making totally new models for this (considering many old world armies were full of old plastics and legacy sculpts whilst some of the newer stuff was the Island of Blood which isn't marketable outside of a starting set; or the more extreme titanic god models which were more AoS than Old World style); that easily accounts for a 2-3 year development cycle. Especially if they want to hit the ground running. That's two full armies they'll need at launch to get it going and a good game plan and head start on developing others to release.

The big questions will be how they do it; how it will tie into AoS releases; what kind of market they'll aim for and even if they keep the same scale (though honestly that last one sounds like a given - esp as GW has always had a spotty history with getting Warmaster and Epic scale games to sell - both series of games in the past were often killed off pretty quick. Heck Epic 40K was dead very fast).


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Post by: Yodhrin


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Ahhhhh, GW do something people have been asking for.

Then comes the complaining.


Are they though?

They're making a game, it has something to do with the old setting, it's probably three years away.

Will it actually be the old setting, or are they going to Adeptus Trademarkicus everything and tweak things so it better serves their view of WHF as a lead-in to AoS? New models or old or both? Will they be resin or plastic or both? What edition, if any, will the rules be based on? What tone will the fiction strike; Red Period self-parody? Golden Years grimdark & gallows humour? Late Period bombastic OTT Micheal Bay style? Heck, what scale will the game be?

We don't really know much of anything, and if people are cynical and reserved until we have some more concrete info I don't actually think that's unreasonable given GW's history with WHF and its fanbase.

What I don't get is why announce it at all? This feels like the kind of "oh gak, get something Official out there stat!" response you sometimes see to a leak...except there was no leak. Before their own teaser, nobody had any expectation WHFB was coming back, surely it would have made more sense to hold off until they had more to show and tell than literally just a logo.


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Post by: Skyven


Well, I don't need new rules, I'm still playing 6th edition. But replacing missing models is big news for me.


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Post by: Tyranid Horde


I won't lie, it'll pull a lot of people back in, and if they do rank and file combat I'm in, I loved seeing blocks of units and I never had the chance to play Fantasy before they blew it up.


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Post by: Chikout


So after giving it some thought, I wonder if this is GW’s answer to what to do with forgeworld when the Horus Heresy starts to wind down. Within the next three years the full set of Primarchs will be done, the legions will all have thier core units represented in the game. 40k has snapped up the demon prince versions of primarchs. Aside from more black books, there isn’t a huge amount of heresy minis left to make.
If they are looking for that older hardcore nostalgic demographic with money to spend, then warhammer fantasy is the next logical place to go.


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Post by: Tim the Biovore


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Building off 8th doesn't sound like a 3 year project?

If they were, it'd be tweak the rule book (perhaps remove 'more ranks steadfast', or clarify it), then reprint the still compatible Army Books.

I wouldn't be surprised if we see a more radical change to the rules.


That'd be my guess as well, but if it were to be based on an edition of WHFB, then there's not reason to expect anything other than 8th as the springboard.

That said, I don't think the 3 years is necessarily pure development either. How much longer can the Horus Heresy last? There can't be more than a few years left before Forge World are done with it, and have the resources for something else of a similar scale.


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Post by: tneva82


 lord_blackfang wrote:
This is straight up GW trying to take the wind out of Mantic's sails, announcing a competing product that's 3 years off during KoW's 3rd edition release. And the battered wives come flocking back, because this time will be different, really.


Well in my case it's not me flocking back but gw flocking back. I stopped because gw killed off game. Not me leaving still alive game.

Interesting to see in what form it comes. Fb style or maybe warmaster style.


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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


I'm not convinced this is a FW project.

The wording in the article refers to a dedicated team in the Warhammer Studio?


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Post by: Arklite


 Yodhrin wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Ahhhhh, GW do something people have been asking for.

Then comes the complaining.


Are they though?

They're making a game, it has something to do with the old setting, it's probably three years away.

Will it actually be the old setting, or are they going to Adeptus Trademarkicus everything and tweak things so it better serves their view of WHF as a lead-in to AoS? New models or old or both? Will they be resin or plastic or both? What edition, if any, will the rules be based on? What tone will the fiction strike; Red Period self-parody? Golden Years grimdark & gallows humour? Late Period bombastic OTT Micheal Bay style? Heck, what scale will the game be?

We don't really know much of anything, and if people are cynical and reserved until we have some more concrete info I don't actually think that's unreasonable given GW's history with WHF and its fanbase.

What I don't get is why announce it at all? This feels like the kind of "oh gak, get something Official out there stat!" response you sometimes see to a leak...except there was no leak. Before their own teaser, nobody had any expectation WHFB was coming back, surely it would have made more sense to hold off until they had more to show and tell than literally just a logo.



I would suspect they were trying to head-off any potential leaks. It doesn't sound like this will be a small undertaking, and out-of-context leaks could have led to a much more negative reaction.

Also, I think it might be intended as a "shot across the bow" to the competition.


For someone like me, who despises AOS (background and graphic design, I don't particularly care about rules), this is quite positive news.


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Post by: malfred


If I were feeling cheeky I'd play this game using Mantic sculpts,
but their line is so inconsistent it's like they have 1-2 sweet
models and then they poop the bed.


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Post by: Polonius


Darsath wrote:
Not sure I see the point in this announcement if I'm being honest. The game is 2-3 years away, and the only thing they have at the moment is a logo.


You know how GW won't announce their new stuff too far in advance (sisters aside) because they want people buying what's available, not what's coming out in a year? Fantasy mass combat is currently the opposite of that. Gw isn't selling anything to scratch that itch, but plenty of others are. In this case, GW wants us to not buy into Oathmark or Warlords or KOW or ASOIAF and instead wait to play our Brets or Dwarves or greenskins with gW again.


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Post by: Platuan4th


shinros wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Ahhhhh, GW do something people have been asking for.

Then comes the complaining.


Nah, I am just trying to remain realistic. I honestly don't think it's not going to be the same(lore wise) and then the question is what edition are they going to build from?


Most likely 8th, considering the Heresy comparison. Also, I DO expect a change in the lore so as to be able to keep the newer stuff introduced in the End Times.


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Post by: auticus


Best news i've heard from GW in years.

The downside is this will hurt the kings of war effort in town and will also hurt the other rank and flank games because people are going to gravitate to where the people are, and ... i have a straw poll that has 15-20 of our whfb returning when this hits.

That includes dipping into the shallower AOS pool and pulling players from that.

Now lets wait and see.


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Post by: Boss Salvage


 Polonius wrote:
You know how GW won't announce their new stuff too far in advance (sisters aside) because they want people buying what's available, not what's coming out in a year? Fantasy mass combat is currently the opposite of that. Gw isn't selling anything to scratch that itch, but plenty of others are. In this case, GW wants us to not buy into Oathmark or Warlords or KOW or ASOIAF and instead wait to play our Brets or Dwarves or greenskins with gW again.
Yes. GW is destablizing competitors in the RNF market that they loudly left in 2015, while calling attention back to the Warhammer Fantasy Battle brand while they figure out what they're doing.


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Post by: Dread Master


The only way this is of interest is if they are completely redesigning every army from the ground up. New plastics for every unit and hero in the game.


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Post by: Kroem


Hopefully this will mean the old models come back into production as others have said.

GW are good at models and background, if we end up using these models and stories to play with KoW rules then no issue!


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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


I'd be surprised if at least some of the models don't return. I mean, I assume the moulds still exist, so that's cutting down on production costs.


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Post by: malfred


Maybe this was just deadspace in the endless Warhammer Community
hypetrain.

"feth. We already spoiled Sisters of Battle. What do we have in the docket?"

"Uh.....square? bases?"

"Fuuuuuuuuuuu.... Okay run it.


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Post by: H


Boss Salvage wrote:GW is destablizing competitors in the RNF market that they loudly left in 2015, while calling attention back to the Warhammer Fantasy Battle brand while they figure out what they're doing.

Exactly. It's aimed at competing companies, signaling a return to the market while putting the thought in comsumer's mind to consider tempering any investment for (re)consideration of GW for their "needs" in that regard.
Dread Master wrote:The only way this is of interest is if they are completely redesigning every army from the ground up. New plastics for every unit and hero in the game.

I'd actually think that is somewhat "likely" as the main reason for the long development. Not to make what will, precedently, likely be some dubious quality rules, but rather, I don't think GW wants to be in any material but plastic, so it will take time to revamp all the lines to be 100% plastic and ready to go.


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Post by: lord_blackfang


 malfred wrote:
If I were feeling cheeky I'd play this game using Mantic sculpts,
but their line is so inconsistent it's like they have 1-2 sweet
models and then they poop the bed.


Why torture yourself with meh rules and meh models? Play great KoW rules with great GW models


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Post by: Darsath


 Polonius wrote:
Darsath wrote:
Not sure I see the point in this announcement if I'm being honest. The game is 2-3 years away, and the only thing they have at the moment is a logo.


You know how GW won't announce their new stuff too far in advance (sisters aside) because they want people buying what's available, not what's coming out in a year? Fantasy mass combat is currently the opposite of that. Gw isn't selling anything to scratch that itch, but plenty of others are. In this case, GW wants us to not buy into Oathmark or Warlords or KOW or ASOIAF and instead wait to play our Brets or Dwarves or greenskins with gW again.

Seems odd, mostly because Games Workshop got rid of Warhammer Fantasy because it didn't have the players to support it. Why go back to it now?


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Post by: Sqorgar


 Polonius wrote:

You know how GW won't announce their new stuff too far in advance (sisters aside) because they want people buying what's available, not what's coming out in a year? Fantasy mass combat is currently the opposite of that. Gw isn't selling anything to scratch that itch, but plenty of others are. In this case, GW wants us to not buy into Oathmark or Warlords or KOW or ASOIAF and instead wait to play our Brets or Dwarves or greenskins with gW again.
I think you are right. I was just thinking, with most of GW's target audience (especially those interested in a return to WHFB) being in their 40s and 50s, announcing something in the distant future is kind of like saying, "I hope your eyes are still good enough to paint miniatures when this comes out" or "the best time to read the rulebook will be during colon prep" or "your kids don't need college tuition money, save up for this instead". It makes much more sense that they are hoping to sabotage actual competitors with existing products than trying to hype a distant, future product to an aging audience.


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Post by: malfred


 lord_blackfang wrote:
 malfred wrote:
If I were feeling cheeky I'd play this game using Mantic sculpts,
but their line is so inconsistent it's like they have 1-2 sweet
models and then they poop the bed.


Why torture yourself with meh rules and meh models? Play great KoW rules with great GW models


Lol


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Post by: Boss Salvage


 H wrote:
I'd actually think that is somewhat "likely" as the main reason for the long development. Not to make what will, precedently, likely be some dubious quality rules, but rather, I don't think GW wants to be in any material but plastic, so it will take time to revamp all the lines to be 100% plastic and ready to go.
That's a good point. I've been trying to figure out why the Design Team is involved, and assumed it would be for token new heroes for marketing to pimp out, but in fact they'll want shiny new heroes for marketing to pimp out so they can retire poorly made resin casts of tired old metal molds.


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Post by: Carnikang


As neat as it is that the Olde Worlde is coming back .... That itch is scratched for me with Totalwar:Warhammer honestly.
As for RNF, I think I'll just keep investing in Conquest...


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Post by: Polonius


Darsath wrote:
 Polonius wrote:
Darsath wrote:
Not sure I see the point in this announcement if I'm being honest. The game is 2-3 years away, and the only thing they have at the moment is a logo.


You know how GW won't announce their new stuff too far in advance (sisters aside) because they want people buying what's available, not what's coming out in a year? Fantasy mass combat is currently the opposite of that. Gw isn't selling anything to scratch that itch, but plenty of others are. In this case, GW wants us to not buy into Oathmark or Warlords or KOW or ASOIAF and instead wait to play our Brets or Dwarves or greenskins with gW again.

Seems odd, mostly because Games Workshop got rid of Warhammer Fantasy because it didn't have the players to support it. Why go back to it now?


My guess is that AOS has converted as many WFB players as it ever will, which means that WFB players will continue to play alternatives. The Cities of Sigmar book was the nail in the coffin for about five different factions ever getting a full battletome.

GW really wants AOS to succeed, as it's a flagship. But if people still want old world ranks and flanks, which at this point is pretty clear, than by god sell it to them.

It's also an incredible power move to their competition.


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Post by: Voss


 malfred wrote:
Maybe this was just deadspace in the endless Warhammer Community
hypetrain.


Bit of a reach given how busy this week is in terms of articles. There were three separate preview articles yesterday alone.


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Post by: tneva82


Darsath wrote:
 Polonius wrote:
Darsath wrote:
Not sure I see the point in this announcement if I'm being honest. The game is 2-3 years away, and the only thing they have at the moment is a logo.


You know how GW won't announce their new stuff too far in advance (sisters aside) because they want people buying what's available, not what's coming out in a year? Fantasy mass combat is currently the opposite of that. Gw isn't selling anything to scratch that itch, but plenty of others are. In this case, GW wants us to not buy into Oathmark or Warlords or KOW or ASOIAF and instead wait to play our Brets or Dwarves or greenskins with gW again.

Seems odd, mostly because Games Workshop got rid of Warhammer Fantasy because it didn't have the players to support it. Why go back to it now?


They had players. Just not monthly releases to sell to player base starving for releases.

Sure sales weren't 40k scale but top3 miniature sales. Is aos 40k equal either?


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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Darsath wrote:
 Polonius wrote:
Darsath wrote:
Not sure I see the point in this announcement if I'm being honest. The game is 2-3 years away, and the only thing they have at the moment is a logo.


You know how GW won't announce their new stuff too far in advance (sisters aside) because they want people buying what's available, not what's coming out in a year? Fantasy mass combat is currently the opposite of that. Gw isn't selling anything to scratch that itch, but plenty of others are. In this case, GW wants us to not buy into Oathmark or Warlords or KOW or ASOIAF and instead wait to play our Brets or Dwarves or greenskins with gW again.

Seems odd, mostly because Games Workshop got rid of Warhammer Fantasy because it didn't have the players to support it. Why go back to it now?


This may have a simple answer.

At the time, GW needed a second money maker. So we got AoS.

Now AoS is going good guns, bringing back WHFB offers a secondary revenue stream. It may bring in less than AoS (it may bring in more, who knows). But with GW making money hand over fist, they can afford the limited risk involved of resurrecting WHFB.


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Post by: LunarSol


Darsath wrote:

Seems odd, mostly because Games Workshop got rid of Warhammer Fantasy because it didn't have the players to support it. Why go back to it now?


Age of Sigmar has its own identity now with lots of armies unique to the setting with their own art style. I'd actually not be terribly surprised if some armies slid out of Sigmar and back into Old World as more fantastic replacements are created (Seraphon).


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Post by: Polonius


I also think the model for Olde World will be closer to MESBG than to 30k. Mostly rereleases of older models, new rules, and a handful of new sculpts.


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Post by: BrianDavion


also, if AOS minis will sell for 2 game systems, they could, in theory, double their income just by sticking square bases in their boxes.


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Post by: Polonius


BrianDavion wrote:
also, if AOS minis will sell for 2 game systems, they could, in theory, double their income just by sticking square bases in their boxes.


ain't no way a lot of those AOS minis are ranking up. I can see some porting over though.


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Post by: RiTides


Updated the OP! Let me know if I missed anything


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Post by: H


Darsath wrote:
Seems odd, mostly because Games Workshop got rid of Warhammer Fantasy because it didn't have the players to support it. Why go back to it now?

I think it was more that they thought (maybe even correctly) that they'd get more players by making Fantasy more 40k like. I don't think the issue was, per se, that Fantasy didn't sell, rather, it didn't sell as well as they'd have liked. What KoW, t9A, et al. likely have shown in the intervening years, is that there is still a market there that likely did not "switch over" into AoS. In other words, there is still an open market that likely does not cannibalize the AoS market.

They already have probably, what, 70% of the already plastic molds they'd need? They already have, as the video games show, a good bit of brand-recognition. They already own the IP and that IP has shown to be valuable. And they already know that people will likely buy rules based on those things (almost) alone. This seems like a slam dunk for GW. Is it a slam dunk for Fantasy aficionados? Maybe, hard to say, but I find it a little hard to believe too many realistic and not-mutually exclusive options is really all that bad a thing.


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Post by: Mr Morden


Just having some of the Total war units as models would be very nice


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Post by: Darsath


 H wrote:
Darsath wrote:
Seems odd, mostly because Games Workshop got rid of Warhammer Fantasy because it didn't have the players to support it. Why go back to it now?

I think it was more that they thought (maybe even correctly) that they'd get more players by making Fantasy more 40k like. I don't think the issue was, per se, that Fantasy didn't sell, rather, it didn't sell as well as they'd have liked. What KoW, t9A, et al. likely have shown in the intervening years, is that there is still a market there that likely did not "switch over" into AoS. In other words, there is still an open market that likely does not cannibalize the AoS market.

They already have probably, what, 70% of the already plastic molds they'd need? They already have, as the video games show, a good bit of brand-recognition. They already own the IP and that IP has shown to be valuable. And they already know that people will likely buy rules based on those things (almost) alone. This seems like a slam dunk for GW. Is it a slam dunk for Fantasy aficionados? Maybe, hard to say, but I find it a little hard to believe too many realistic and not-mutually exclusive options is really all that bad a thing.

Part of the reason as to why some players didn't convert to the new system could have been the honestly abysmal launch of Age of Sigmar. They have, of course, done a lot to right the course, and seen great success from doing so. However, some players may still have been soured from the mishandling at the launch.


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Post by: lord_blackfang


Mantic has already responded with a snarky video, which makes me think this announcement wasn't news to them.



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Post by: kodos


Mantic has already responded with a snarky video, which makes me think this announcement wasn't news to them.

https://de-de.facebook.com/manticgames/videos/794774804299081/

Darsath wrote:
 Polonius wrote:
Darsath wrote:
Not sure I see the point in this announcement if I'm being honest. The game is 2-3 years away, and the only thing they have at the moment is a logo.


You know how GW won't announce their new stuff too far in advance (sisters aside) because they want people buying what's available, not what's coming out in a year? Fantasy mass combat is currently the opposite of that. Gw isn't selling anything to scratch that itch, but plenty of others are. In this case, GW wants us to not buy into Oathmark or Warlords or KOW or ASOIAF and instead wait to play our Brets or Dwarves or greenskins with gW again.

Seems odd, mostly because Games Workshop got rid of Warhammer Fantasy because it didn't have the players to support it. Why go back to it now?


You mean like they got rid of Adeptus Titanicus, Necromunda and Blood Bowl and go back to it now?


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Post by: anab0lic


This is gonna make them an absolute metric sh1t ton of money.

As cool as this is though, I don't have any confidence in GW to make the kind of ruleset for it that would make me want to invest any serious amount of time into playing....though I do hope they prove me wrong there.

This also bodes well for a new Mordheim.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 16:28:07


Post by: RiTides


 Boss Salvage wrote:
Did somebody say square-based RNF mini-wargaming??

https://www.facebook.com/manticgames/videos/794774804299081/

Lol, well played Mantic

Unfortunately, I just haven't been able to get hooked by KoW. I tried it, even got an army together for it, but in the end it felt like it should be played at 15mm. Not being able to reform ranks, units being blocks and not individual models... I can see why it's awesome, but it just wasn't for me.

Will keep an eye on this, but years off definitely tempers things...


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 16:28:38


Post by: ZebioLizard2


 lord_blackfang wrote:
Mantic has already responded with a snarky video, which makes me think this announcement wasn't news to them.

Given how quick it was put out I have to believe they figured they needed to quickly ride the train and act before people just stopped buying from them.


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Post by: Overread


 kodos wrote:
Mantic has already responded with a snarky video, which makes me think this announcement wasn't news to them.

https://de-de.facebook.com/manticgames/videos/794774804299081/

Darsath wrote:
 Polonius wrote:
Darsath wrote:
Not sure I see the point in this announcement if I'm being honest. The game is 2-3 years away, and the only thing they have at the moment is a logo.


You know how GW won't announce their new stuff too far in advance (sisters aside) because they want people buying what's available, not what's coming out in a year? Fantasy mass combat is currently the opposite of that. Gw isn't selling anything to scratch that itch, but plenty of others are. In this case, GW wants us to not buy into Oathmark or Warlords or KOW or ASOIAF and instead wait to play our Brets or Dwarves or greenskins with gW again.

Seems odd, mostly because Games Workshop got rid of Warhammer Fantasy because it didn't have the players to support it. Why go back to it now?


You mean like they got rid of Adeptus Titanicus, Necromunda and Blood Bowl and go back to it now?


Also don't forget many of the reasons that Old World was doing badly were issues caused or exacerbated by GW's actions at the time. Old World had issues but nothing which couldn't be overcome; however GW chose to take a totally different pathway and instead copy their working game model in 40K by releasing Age of Sigmar. Of course they also made a load of other mistakes (stripping out rules- approaching AoS like a boutique model line- not listening to fans and gamers - building huge marketing into Old World only to axe the product line and game system).

I think that GW today is more keen to chase smaller profitable margins in their model lines whilst GW of old kept looking for golden goose egg releases and if it wasn't they scrambled - er scrapped it.


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Post by: Darsath


 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
 lord_blackfang wrote:
Mantic has already responded with a snarky video, which makes me think this announcement wasn't news to them.

Given how quick it was put out I have to believe they figured they needed to quickly ride the train and act before people just stopped buying from them.

To be fair, they could easily catch a lot of hyped players who won't want to wait years to play the game.


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Post by: mhalko1


I wonder how blown that guy who burned his army is!


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Post by: Albino Squirrel


That is a very underwhelming announcement. To be honest I'm much more interested in what's coming from Hysh. I don't care if they're working on a game that takes place in the old world that's coming out in three or more years.

Unless it's a new version of Warmaster with small scale plastic armies. Probably in 12mm so people with existing Warmaster armies can't use them...


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 16:32:03


Post by: dan2026


 Boss Salvage wrote:
Did somebody say square-based RNF mini-wargaming??

https://www.facebook.com/manticgames/videos/794774804299081/

I really don't like Mantic's models.
I'm sure their rule sets beat GW, but their models do nothing for me.


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Post by: H


Boss Salvage wrote:That's a good point. I've been trying to figure out why the Design Team is involved, and assumed it would be for token new heroes for marketing to pimp out, but in fact they'll want shiny new heroes for marketing to pimp out so they can retire poorly made resin casts of tired old metal molds.

Exactly. Let's pretend it's late 2020, or 2021, do they really want to be rolling out resin? I don't think so. Anything that was metal likely either gets Squatted or "revamped" as something new.

Mr Morden wrote:Just having some of the Total war units as models would be very nice

This is a good point. Now, I am not too savvy on the manner and nature of the Warhammer TW's IP, but who actually owns the 3D model of something from the game? As in, could GW use a TW 3D model to make a miniature? I'd guess not. Then again, doesn't GW own the IP on which it is based? So, I don't know how or if TW could claim that GW can't use their work. I'm definitely not anything of an IP lawyer, but seems like a real grey area. I don't know how or if it would work.

But yeah, I can definitely seem some stuff get "ported over" for certain. Likely just with changes to make them more feasible for plastic production. I guess I should brush up on what TW stuff looks like, I've honestly never played any of them, haha.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 16:33:51


Post by: Darsath


 dan2026 wrote:
 Boss Salvage wrote:
Did somebody say square-based RNF mini-wargaming??

https://www.facebook.com/manticgames/videos/794774804299081/

I really don't like Mantic's models.
I'm sure their rule sets beat GW, but their models do nothing for me.

I have never played Kings of War, but I don't like the look of their models. Only models I have are zombies from mantic, and if you have played Vampire Counts in WHFB you'll know why.


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Post by: lord_blackfang


 dan2026 wrote:
 Boss Salvage wrote:
Did somebody say square-based RNF mini-wargaming??

https://www.facebook.com/manticgames/videos/794774804299081/

I really don't like Mantic's models.
I'm sure their rule sets beat GW, but their models do nothing for me.


Luckily Mantic makes army lists for all GW WHFB factions and lets you use GW models.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 16:35:18


Post by: Voss


mhalko1 wrote:
I wonder how blown that guy who burned his army is!


Probably really excited he can blow more money on GW stuff.

dan2026 wrote:
I really don't like Mantic's models.
I'm sure their rule sets beat GW, but their models do nothing for me.

I actually find their rule set worse than the models.
It technically functional, but really dull.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 16:35:34


Post by: tneva82


mhalko1 wrote:
I wonder how blown that guy who burned his army is!


Seeing there's no hard facts supporting old armies being usable...it could be warmaster reboot to avoid 2 different same scale fb lines separate from each other for example


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 16:35:52


Post by: Boss Salvage


 RiTides wrote:
Unfortunately, I just haven't been able to get hooked by KoW. I tried it, even got an army together for it, but in the end it felt like it should be played at 15mm. Not being able to reform ranks, units being blocks and not individual models... I can see why it's awesome, but it just wasn't for me.
Fair nuff, and kudos to you on giving KOW a shot. Playing KOW has opened my eyes to how many NPE and just dumb stuff is in the editions of WHFB. And while I don't think we pretended that the armies were balanced in the least (OMF 7E tho), I can't imagine going back to any of those garbage metas.

Now that my fury has subsided a bit, I mostly just want to play a bunch of KOW's new edition Go figure.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 16:36:03


Post by: dan2026


Darsath wrote:
 dan2026 wrote:
 Boss Salvage wrote:
Did somebody say square-based RNF mini-wargaming??

https://www.facebook.com/manticgames/videos/794774804299081/

I really don't like Mantic's models.
I'm sure their rule sets beat GW, but their models do nothing for me.

I have never played Kings of War, but I don't like the look of their models. Only models I have are zombies from mantic, and if you have played Vampire Counts in WHFB you'll know why.

Yeah GW Zombies, Skellys and Ghouls always looked crap to me.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 16:36:29


Post by: tneva82


 Albino Squirrel wrote:
That is a very underwhelming announcement. To be honest I'm much more interested in what's coming from Hysh. I don't care if they're working on a game that takes place in the old world that's coming out in three or more years.

Unless it's a new version of Warmaster with small scale plastic armies. Probably in 12mm so people with existing Warmaster armies can't use them...


Warmaster was 12mm much to annoyance of people with existing 10mm fantasy armies


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 16:42:09


Post by: Albino Squirrel


tneva82 wrote:
mhalko1 wrote:
I wonder how blown that guy who burned his army is!


Seeing there's no hard facts supporting old armies being usable...it could be warmaster reboot to avoid 2 different same scale fb lines separate from each other for example


Definitely. I don't think they are going to spend three years making a set of rules for old Warhammer players to use with the old Warhammer models they already have.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 16:44:56


Post by: blood reaper


I wonder if GW scrapping a lot of the distinct, old rank and file models (i.e., Orcs and Goblins) was making way for this kind of change.


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Post by: godswildcard


I’m excited, pumped and overall enthralled!!

3 years is a long time to wait though....


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 16:47:25


Post by: anab0lic


To be honest I'd actually prefer this was relaunched at a 12-18mm scale, especially after receiving my Joan of Arc miniatures and seeing just how much detail can be achieved at that size with modern tech. I Doubt that's what the majority of the potential customer base is after though.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 16:50:03


Post by: lord_blackfang


Can we all just appreciate that this announcement comes hot on the heels of resculpted Chaos Warriors in unrankable poses.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 16:52:53


Post by: BrianDavion


 lord_blackfang wrote:
 dan2026 wrote:
 Boss Salvage wrote:
Did somebody say square-based RNF mini-wargaming??

https://www.facebook.com/manticgames/videos/794774804299081/

I really don't like Mantic's models.
I'm sure their rule sets beat GW, but their models do nothing for me.


Luckily Mantic makes army lists for all GW WHFB factions and lets you use GW models.


wonder if GW'll try to hit em with a C&D order.


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Post by: Ghaz


Is there anything to indicate that this will use 28mm miniatures? A fresh start like this would be a good time to switch to a smaller scale to recreate the truly epic battles of the Old World.


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Is there anything to indicate that this will use 28mm miniatures? A fresh start like this would be a good time to switch to a smaller scale to recreate the truly epic battles of the Old World.


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 17:00:19


Post by: BrianDavion


 Ghaz wrote:
Is there anything to indicate that this will use 28mm miniatures? A fresh start like this would be a good time to switch to a smaller scale to recreate the truly epic battles of the Old World.


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Is there anything to indicate that this will use 28mm miniatures? A fresh start like this would be a good time to switch to a smaller scale to recreate the truly epic battles of the Old World.


their referane to squares suggests it'll use the old minis. I can't think of a better way for GW to destroy the goodwill this announcement has generated then to change the scale


Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 17:00:33


Post by: dan2026


BrianDavion wrote:
 lord_blackfang wrote:
 dan2026 wrote:
 Boss Salvage wrote:
Did somebody say square-based RNF mini-wargaming??

https://www.facebook.com/manticgames/videos/794774804299081/

I really don't like Mantic's models.
I'm sure their rule sets beat GW, but their models do nothing for me.


Luckily Mantic makes army lists for all GW WHFB factions and lets you use GW models.


wonder if GW'll try to hit em with a C&D order.

If they are just putting out rules for generic things like Dwarfs, Elves, Orcs etc I don't see how they can.


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Post by: H


 Ghaz wrote:
Is there anything to indicate that this will use 28mm miniatures? A fresh start like this would be a good time to switch to a smaller scale to recreate the truly epic battles of the Old World.

Nothing, in-itself, no. However, since this was likened as akin to 40k's HH, it seems unlikely to involve a scale change. Not to mention, it allows some of what, likely, are perfectly serviceable old molds and the like to be reused rather than gathering dust. None of that is proof, per se, but circumstantial evidence that GW will likely stay "on scale."

No one will know, though, as a certainty, for a good bit. But I'm sure some info will come down the line next year to clarify the actual position of the product line.


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Post by: anab0lic


 Ghaz wrote:
Is there anything to indicate that this will use 28mm miniatures? A fresh start like this would be a good time to switch to a smaller scale to recreate the truly epic battles of the Old World.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Is there anything to indicate that this will use 28mm miniatures? A fresh start like this would be a good time to switch to a smaller scale to recreate the truly epic battles of the Old World.


It would work extremely well here, the relative size you get between a line troop and say a large dragon towering over them, creates a visual impact on the table that you just cant get at 32mm, without making the larger stuff much bigger than what is affordable and practical. Makes multiple armys affordable, easier to paint, smaller table requirements, easier to store and transport.... so many positives. I have been saying for a while the future of mass battle games are at a smaller scale, I just don't know if this is a vision GW shares.


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Post by: kodos


BrianDavion wrote:
 lord_blackfang wrote:
 dan2026 wrote:
 Boss Salvage wrote:
Did somebody say square-based RNF mini-wargaming??

https://www.facebook.com/manticgames/videos/794774804299081/

I really don't like Mantic's models.
I'm sure their rule sets beat GW, but their models do nothing for me.


Luckily Mantic makes army lists for all GW WHFB factions and lets you use GW models.


wonder if GW'll try to hit em with a C&D order.


They can't, which is the main reason why AoS factions are something "new" and not stuff GW copied from somewhere else

and a reason why we won't see a 1:1 copy of old Warhammer but new stuff that is easier to protect


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Post by: auticus


Games Workshop got rid of Warhammer Fantasy because it didn't have the players to support it.


This is pretty easily proven false. There were a ton of fantasy players.

There was just nothing to spend money on because GW wasn't pushing out anything for whfb beyond a few token releases now and again.


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Post by: Brutus_Apex


Thank you GW for bringing back the best game you ever made. My vendetta against you is done and the healing process can begin


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Post by: Sarouan


Why would GW care about Mantic Games's KoW anyway ? As long as KoW players keep buying GW miniatures because they look better/are more enjoyable to build, they don't really have to. So Mantic Games can be all snarky as they want, it doesn't matter.

Besides, MG does indeed build worlds but they also remove units without any notice.


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Post by: tneva82


 kodos wrote:
They can't, which is the main reason why AoS factions are something "new" and not stuff GW copied from somewhere else

and a reason why we won't see a 1:1 copy of old Warhammer but new stuff that is easier to protect


"new" yet just as easily 3rd partied. All it accomplishes is make harder for non-gw gamer to find gw models as alternative models for other games


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Post by: kodos


tneva82 wrote:
 kodos wrote:
They can't, which is the main reason why AoS factions are something "new" and not stuff GW copied from somewhere else

and a reason why we won't see a 1:1 copy of old Warhammer but new stuff that is easier to protect


"new" yet just as easily 3rd partied. All it accomplishes is make harder for non-gw gamer to find gw models as alternative models for other games


this is a little bit different

GW cannot C&D a company that makes a Fantasy Version of the Holy Roman Empire fighting against Orks to help the dwarfs from the mountains (no matter if they make just rukes, models, artwork, fiction or all of that)

but they can if someone made a game with Steampunk Dwarfs driving air ships and search for mythical gold in the mist of the high mountains, fighting Orruks


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Post by: BobtheInquisitor


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Ahhhhh, GW do something people have been asking for.

Then comes the complaining.


GW does what the customers ask for the same way the monkey’s paw grants wishes. We’re all just waiting to see how our ‘wish’ will turn against us.


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Post by: Boss Salvage


I've been trying not to talk too specifically about KOW in this thread, but screw it, gotta step up for bae:
 Sarouan wrote:
Why would GW care about Mantic Games's KoW anyway?
And yet why would they make an announcement about a release 2-3 years in the future right now? What other relevant event has happened in the world of RNF miniwargaming that would make GW break its extremely well-documented - and loathed by retailers - habit of not announcing things ahead of time?
As long as KoW players keep buying GW miniatures because they look better/are more enjoyable to build, they don't really have to. So Mantic Games can be all snarky as they want, it doesn't matter.
I've seen far more KOW armies built out of Mantic models than I have AOS models (I didn't say WHFB, I said AOS, the game GW still sells minis for), and the WHFB minis I see in KOW armies are pretty obviously rebased and given new life from WHFB armies the Dub didn't care to support
Besides, MG does indeed build worlds but they also remove units without any notice.
Hahahahahhahahaha your first edition change mate? And I take it you've seen the units in the upcoming Uncharted Empires book? Because I haven't.


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Post by: MalusCalibur


I have not, nor will I ever, forgive GW for what they did to WHFB and the Old World to create Age of Sigmarines. As far as this announcement goes? Too late, GW. Too friggin' late. I'm not coming back to your abysmal rules writing, your ridiculously overdesigned, over the top models, and your prices. Hell, I hated 8th Ed. enough to never play it.
'Modern' GW does a lot more right than Kirby-era GW, and I don't hate them on principle, but announcing this now to try and get attention away from KoW's 3rd Ed release is as cynical a move as they come, and it won't work on me.
They burned this bridge a long time ago, it'll take a lot more than tugging on some nostalgia strings to make me care.


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Post by: tneva82


 kodos wrote:
but they can if someone made a game with Steampunk Dwarfs driving air ships and search for mythical gold in the mist of the high mountains, fighting Orruks


Yes. That's why the models wouldn't be marketed as "steampunk dwarfs driving airships and searching mythical gold in the mists of high mountains fighting orruks". Rather something more generic sounding like just steampunk mercenary dwarves that just happen to be similar enough to be used as the gw overlords.


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Post by: Elbows


I wish I could share peoples excitement. The Old World was and is far better than anything AoS brought about. However, GW's consistency in "no model, no rules", and their prices mean this is a dead product to me. I am happy for the proper WFB fans though.


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Post by: RexHavoc


 auticus wrote:
Games Workshop got rid of Warhammer Fantasy because it didn't have the players to support it.


This is pretty easily proven false. There were a ton of fantasy players.

There was just nothing to spend money on because GW wasn't pushing out anything for whfb beyond a few token releases now and again.


yeap, all they had to do was put as much effort into the game as they have with AoS this past year and most likely would have continued on great. When there were armies with books that hadn't been redone in years and models still be sold from the 80s and early 90s (and models we were still waiting on that had rules!) there is no wonder that they couldn't sell the game.

---

There is a actually a lot to unpack in this announcement (surprising as it was only a logo!). As someone that has continued to enjoy WFB & loved the first three years of AoS (this year has been ok, but I'm not impressed with many of the releases), I'm not actually as excited over the announcement as someone who loves WFB should be (Though I'm not going to shout and rant and rage on facebook either!) but it was better than I'd actually expected it be and the announcement & tease today was far better done than yesterdays.

The good-

  • The old world is back!

  • We might finally see the battle for blackfire pass get its release! (That book looked awesome before they canned it!)

  • I'm still happily painting old world armies which now might see new models (and I have just enough to paint up at least 3 more models in this unit before the release!


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    Post by: Albino Squirrel


    tneva82 wrote:
     Albino Squirrel wrote:
    That is a very underwhelming announcement. To be honest I'm much more interested in what's coming from Hysh. I don't care if they're working on a game that takes place in the old world that's coming out in three or more years.

    Unless it's a new version of Warmaster with small scale plastic armies. Probably in 12mm so people with existing Warmaster armies can't use them...


    Warmaster was 12mm much to annoyance of people with existing 10mm fantasy armies


    Okay. So they'll probably go with 8mm.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 17:58:11


    Post by: Yodhrin


     kodos wrote:
    tneva82 wrote:
     kodos wrote:
    They can't, which is the main reason why AoS factions are something "new" and not stuff GW copied from somewhere else

    and a reason why we won't see a 1:1 copy of old Warhammer but new stuff that is easier to protect


    "new" yet just as easily 3rd partied. All it accomplishes is make harder for non-gw gamer to find gw models as alternative models for other games


    this is a little bit different

    GW cannot C&D a company that makes a Fantasy Version of the Holy Roman Empire fighting against Orks to help the dwarfs from the mountains (no matter if they make just rukes, models, artwork, fiction or all of that)

    but they can if someone made a game with Steampunk Dwarfs driving air ships and search for mythical gold in the mist of the high mountains, fighting Orruks


    Apart from literally the word "Orruks", no they can't. And even then, only if you use the word "Orruks" in a particular way.

    GW's ability to defend their IP has never really rested on the actual law, which is nowhere near as much in their favour as people assume even biased as it is towards corporations, it was based on their ability to throw their weight around. If someone wants to make steampunk dwarfs in airships they can. If they want to make superpowered armoured paladins with masks they can. If they want to make elves riding flying sea creatures they can. So long as you don't essentially duplicate the specific version of such a broad concept that GW produce, and you don't use any of their trademarks without making it clear you're only doing so to indicate compatibility/aid discovery, they don't have a leg to stand on.

    The legal stuff was never what drove their success. They did well when they offered cool models to use in a reasonably fun game at the right price, and 99% of their customers either didn't know or didn't care that you could buy historicals or third party stuff for much less. If they do that again, the same will be true again, regardless of whether or not "Empire Halberdier" is a "protectable" term or aesthetic.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 17:58:43


    Post by: BobtheInquisitor


     Boss Salvage wrote:
    Did somebody say square-based RNF mini-wargaming??

    https://www.facebook.com/manticgames/videos/794774804299081/


    “We don’t blow up worlds. We build them.” Shots fired back! I’m going to have to duck out of this crossfire.

    Are the new Mantic plastic Chaos Dwarfs our yet? If so, this could get feisty.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 17:59:05


    Post by: kendoka


    The logo, ”Warhammer - the old world” is an important first step.

    Now Black Library can separate classic Fantasy from Sigmarine drivel, computer games can indicate the correct fantasy setting - and it even makes it possible for GW to re-/release stuff that doesnt fit into AoS such as BB - and Mordheim...


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 17:59:27


    Post by: Argive


    @ RiTides thanks for updating the OP!
    Feel free to move this thread elsewhere or delete if it doesn't belong in N&R (it bloody well does! IMO )

    So friends... It seems we have come upon a junction.
    So we build our ebay gotten dusty old stockpiles of WHFB miniatures now or we wait?

    Seriously though I'm very torn on this. Part of me is very happy old world is coming back. But the other part of me thinks they have murdered/sacrificed that beautiful lamb to the dark gods of profits to create AOS, and it just won't be the same and will not do justice to the things that were.

    I can't help but feel they will royaly feth this up and it will be but a pale shadow of true WHFB we all love and remember.

    But IMO if they just dive back before "end times" reared its head would be spot on for me personally! Imo do they even need to have all miniatures from the same timeline? Like a dead phoenix king could quite easily be released as a miniature. Forge your own narrative and all that...he.....haaaa.......
    I for one would love to see a Finubar model make the tabletop. I don't believe they ever did rules for PK's? Tyrion being the defacto bad man of the pointy ears and Imrik being his dragon-riding second.

    I am pretty excited and this actually works for me regarding time scale, I think in about 3 years time I will probably get around to build most of the HE stuff I have stockpiled! haha

    Any one else hope they will bring back the talisman dragon sculpts and the older feel of the Old World??
    They are wacky and epitomise WHFB for me, yeah, hitting that nostalgia spot right on the button! I dont really want an AOS edition WHFB. AOs is fine as is and I hope they dont try to shoe horn the two together too much and just realise the two asthetics dont have to mesh and they are happy being two separate things. However the money grubbing corpocrat inside me thinks any opportunity for cross sales and up sales will not be missed :( So an AOSIfied WHFB it will be. Hope Im wwong.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 18:06:08


    Post by: jojo_monkey_boy


     Boss Salvage wrote:
    And yet why would they make an announcement about a release 2-3 years in the future right now? What other relevant event has happened in the world of RNF miniwargaming that would make GW break its extremely well-documented - and loathed by retailers - habit of not announcing things ahead of time?


    From my cursory glance, the Kings of War release shipped three weeks ago (October 21?). If this was really about GW undercutting their release, why would GW wait until now? Further, announcing a product that won't be available for three years isn't going to create much competition for something available now.

    While I'm sure GW are aware of Kings of War, I would guess they don't see them as a threat. GW has always been a miniature business first and a game business second. While GW's prices are terrible, they are producing arguably the best models in plastic in the industry these days. Mantic's models are no where near the same level of quality.


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    Post by: Scrub


    The potential for this is just humongous... seeing the latest Underworld warband shows just what GW can do in regards to updating older kits whilst keeping the older aesthetic.

    An Empire, Bretonnian or Kislev army in the vein of what we've seen in Underworlds so far would be absolutely unreal. Classic models like the Green Knight, Greatswords, Steam Tank, Trebuchet and Grail Reliquae featuring the best GW has to offer in plastic CAD designed models would be beyond cool.

    I miss the old world aesthetic, I don't want to get my hopes up too much but GW revisiting it with new models would be just awesome.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 18:16:55


    Post by: Sqorgar


     jojo_monkey_boy wrote:

    From my cursory glance, the Kings of War release shipped three weeks ago (October 21?). If this was really about GW undercutting their release, why would GW wait until now?
    Maybe they weren't worried about KoW3 until it came out and did well?

    (Did it do well? I don't follow KoW.)


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 18:17:32


    Post by: The Power Cosmic


    Fingers, Toes, Eyes, etc. crossed for a new Mordheim! I'm skittering over the mere possibility.

    How about 2024?


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 18:19:28


    Post by: AnomanderRake


    Bet you they'll try and retrofit Sigmarines, fish elves, etc. back into it.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 18:20:15


    Post by: Azreal13



     Sqorgar wrote:
     jojo_monkey_boy wrote:

    From my cursory glance, the Kings of War release shipped three weeks ago (October 21?). If this was really about GW undercutting their release, why would GW wait until now?
    Maybe they weren't worried about KoW3 until it came out and did well?

    (Did it do well? I don't follow KoW.)


    I can't speak to the commercial success, but I've noticed more and more models coming out of Mantic that actually resemble something I'd like to build, paint and give table time to, rather than a miscast board game model that's been left in a hot car for a year.

    So maybe it is informing GWHQ's thinking a bit.

    But I can only really see this making commercial sense in a different scale or with some other factor, nuGW might try hard to appear to be fluffier than old GW, but they still don't make a jump unless they think they're going to land in a pile of cash.


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    Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


     AnomanderRake wrote:
    Bet you they'll try and retrofit Sigmarines, fish elves, etc. back into it.



    I’ll take that bet. £20 suit?


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 18:37:06


    Post by: Darsath


    I think there's a 50% chance that the game is never released. This announcement will be used to gauge interest before they devote any resources into it, and by 2023 when it will be released, a lot of things and priorities can change.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 18:37:44


    Post by: SamusDrake


    Crikey, 8 pages of replies already!

    If you have old collections then obviously keep hold of them and just get the new ones when convenient.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 18:38:28


    Post by: John Prins


     BobtheInquisitor wrote:
     Boss Salvage wrote:
    Did somebody say square-based RNF mini-wargaming??

    https://www.facebook.com/manticgames/videos/794774804299081/


    “We don’t blow up worlds. We build them.” Shots fired back! I’m going to have to duck out of this crossfire.
    .


    Sick burn. Well done Mantic.


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    Post by: Desubot


    Im just hoping its warmaster


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 18:40:44


    Post by: John Prins


     Azreal13 wrote:

    I can't speak to the commercial success, but I've noticed more and more models coming out of Mantic that actually resemble something I'd like to build, paint and give table time to, rather than a miscast board game model that's been left in a hot car for a year.

    So maybe it is informing GWHQ's thinking a bit.


    I guess skilled 3d modelers with a knowledge of plastic casting are becoming more common what with all the kickstarters making plastic minis these days.


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    Post by: Chairman Aeon


     Brutus_Apex wrote:
    Thank you GW for bringing back the best game you ever made.


    WHAT?!? They are bring back Epic 40K as well as relaunching the Old World...

    Honestly though, if your heart is in the Old World I'd be very careful with it after this announcement. Three years in the future and not a thing to see today, that's way less and much longer than us Sisters players got.


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    Post by: Flashman


    I was wondering how they would ever justify resurrecting Mordheim as the Old World no longer exists...

    ...I have now ceased wondering and will become a fervent member of the "Bring back Mordheim!" campaign


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 18:49:36


    Post by: kodos


     jojo_monkey_boy wrote:

    From my cursory glance, the Kings of War release shipped three weeks ago (October 21?). If this was really about GW undercutting their release, why would GW wait until now? Further, announcing a product that won't be available for three years isn't going to create much competition for something available now.


    The Core Rules with the Mantic armies was released, the Book with the lists for old GW armies will be released in December.

    So while there is no reason to undercut the original release, doing so for the Supplement addressed to Warhammer Refugees is a thing

    PS: talking about this book
    Spoiler:



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    Post by: SamusDrake


     AnomanderRake wrote:
    Bet you they'll try and retrofit Sigmarines, fish elves, etc. back into it.


    Well that would then beg the question; have they put primaris marines into the Horus Heresy?

    Not an expert in WH fluff but didn't the Stormcasts arrive after the old WHFB world was destroyed as a means of ultimate-badass revenge? As far as I know there isn't time travel in Warhammer universes - nothing that allows back-to-the-future or terminator-esque shenanigans...

    Gods of Chaos: "Hold our beers..."


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 18:55:26


    Post by: NH Gunsmith


    As much as I love The Olde World (currently rereading many of the WFB novels I have)... I honestly can't see myself going back to it. The armies I have collected for it have been sold off, the community for it has been destroyed (in my area), and there are so many other good games I can use to scratch the "high fantasy" wargaming itch like the Middle Earth SBG, Kings of War or Dragon Rampant.

    At this point, I really just can't see myself buying back into it.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 19:02:01


    Post by: AnomanderRake


    SamusDrake wrote:
     AnomanderRake wrote:
    Bet you they'll try and retrofit Sigmarines, fish elves, etc. back into it.


    Well that would then beg the question; have they put primaris marines into the Horus Heresy?

    Not an expert in WH fluff but didn't the Stormcasts arrive after the old WHFB world was destroyed as a means of ultimate-badass revenge? As far as I know there isn't time travel in Warhammer universes - nothing that allows back-to-the-future or terminator-esque shenanigans...

    Gods of Chaos: "Hold our beers..."


    True. I may be being pessimistic and skeptical because GW keeps finding new ways to disappoint me with every release.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 19:03:06


    Post by: Dynas


    I was just about to finally give in and rebase my dwarfs and empire to try AoS. NOPE. Not happening.

    Ive waited this long, 3 more years is fine. 40k can hold me over, but I hope we get new model with the resurrection of the old world.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 19:08:56


    Post by: Waaagh_Gonads


    I started rebasing my huge night goblin army for AOS early in the year and am still plowing through it.
    So of course they decide to bring back a format that allows square bases.... and hopefully ranked units.

    But there is still my empire, lizard en, vampire counts....


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 19:17:06


    Post by: Scrub


     Flashman wrote:
    I was wondering how they would ever justify resurrecting Mordheim as the Old World no longer exists...

    ...I have now ceased wondering and will become a fervent member of the "Bring back Mordheim!" campaign


    I'm very much enjoying the memes

    Flashman, sign me up!


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 19:18:11


    Post by: Boss Salvage


     jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
    Further, announcing a product that won't be available for three years isn't going to create much competition for something available now.
    It absolutely keeps the Oldhammerers still looking for an outlet that isn't more Oldhammer (ha, theoretically!) in a holding pattern instead of giving in and checking out the new shiny edition of KOW, a game they likely heard something about but dismissed. I know I did the same when KOW 1E came out. Also keeps Warhammer a relevant name in the niche RNF mini market, a name that GW deliberately removed from that market with much fanfare back in 2015.

    As for KOW 3E's success, it certainly feels to be gaining momentum, and was apparently the most successful non-GW edition release at my FLGS in a number of years - and that's even with Mantic's derpy af supply issues


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 19:19:04


    Post by: Inquisitor Gideon


     Brutus_Apex wrote:
    Thank you GW for bringing back the best game you ever made. My vendetta against you is done and the healing process can begin


    What do you mean? Middle-Earth never left?


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 19:20:26


    Post by: Boss Salvage


     Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
     Brutus_Apex wrote:
    Thank you GW for bringing back the best game you ever made. My vendetta against you is done and the healing process can begin
    What do you mean? Middle-Earth never left?
    I was gonna ask if I missed the BFG 2E announcement


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 19:26:50


    Post by: Gallahad


    I'm just never coming back. GW and I have parted ways stylistically. Every single AOS release has been some sort of over the top design turned up to 11 impossible to suspend disbelief wacko thing. I can't see them releasing anything for the Old World that remotely interests me.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 19:27:13


    Post by: GoatboyBeta


     lord_blackfang wrote:
    That last meme tho...


    Yeah I genuinely belly laughed at that one. Fortunately there was no one within earshot that I had to explain the joke to


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 19:35:12


    Post by: Grimtuff


     Dynas wrote:
    I was just about to finally give in and rebase my dwarfs and empire to try AoS. NOPE. Not happening.


    I gave in myself after having far too many units in my Nurgle forces that I can easily cross pollinate (plus my mates are playing it and 40k has gak the bed). I've just finished painting/converting 15 Blightkings and now this.



    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 19:39:05


    Post by: Souleater


     AnomanderRake wrote:
    Bet you they'll try and retrofit Sigmarines, fish elves, etc. back into it.


    Sigmar opens the Timecast chamber.

    I am hoping this is Warmaster 2nd Edition.

    I love the AoS background whereas I had just grown jaded with the Old World. I think we had so many campaigns where nothing really changed because much like old 40k the background felt stuck at a certain point.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 19:43:20


    Post by: Grimtuff


     Souleater wrote:

    I love the AoS background whereas I had just grown jaded with the Old World. I think we had so many campaigns where nothing really changed because much like old 40k the background felt stuck at a certain point.


    Almost as if they were both settings and not storylines...

    The AoS "story" works as that is what GW wanted from the outset, and not something they hamfisted together after it not being that for the majority of its lifespan.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 19:45:41


    Post by: ph34r


     Souleater wrote:
     AnomanderRake wrote:
    Bet you they'll try and retrofit Sigmarines, fish elves, etc. back into it.


    Sigmar opens the Timecast chamber.

    I am hoping this is Warmaster 2nd Edition.

    I love the AoS background whereas I had just grown jaded with the Old World. I think we had so many campaigns where nothing really changed because much like old 40k the background felt stuck at a certain point.
    I wish they had just expanded the area where there was actually background information for Warhammer Fantasy.

    Plenty of interesting new/old things can happen in places where you haven't specified anything.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 19:52:49


    Post by: privateer4hire


     The Power Cosmic wrote:
    Fingers, Toes, Eyes, etc. crossed for a new Mordheim! I'm skittering over the mere possibility.

    How about 2024?


    With a $600 USD starter set.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 19:52:53


    Post by: GaroRobe


    Okay. So I was excited. But now I'm not.
    I don't mind AOS but I preferred fantasy. AOS has some cool factions, underworlds is awesome, and it allows me to make my army based around certain units (at least it used to.)

    But now I'm stuck. Do I still buy OOP models off ebay? Wll they be re-released (Meme-hammer shows Settra twice)? Should I start basing my Duardin on round bases or square bases? Will they release something like LOTR has, which is a movement tray designed for round bases? Will it be specialist games or from FW? Too many questions and we won't have answers for a really long time.

    Luckily, I have a horde of square bases left over from unmade models (and I don't think they ever stopped selling square bases.) But I'm still in a pickle.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 20:12:26


    Post by: Sotahullu


    I would not think about it too much really. It will take a while before we see anything.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 20:28:31


    Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


    I’d imagine that at the start, it’ll be re-released units, and re-designed characters.

    That to me seems the sensible cash generating options. There are relatively few infantry kits in particularly desperate need of a resculpt. Spit and polish the mould, profit.

    But putting say, Settra into plastic? That’s enticement to spend. Because after a quick think, relatively few WHFB special characters ever got a resculpt.

    Right now, GW has stupidly deep pockets. So they can afford the investment risk of updating stuff. And by focussing on character models and army centrepieces they create the big draw.

    Consider. I’ve an extensive Dark Elf army, made from the previous incarnation models. Now, if they give me a plastic Malekith, plastic Shades? That’s a reason for me, and any other former Dark Elf player to spend a few quid.

    And it’s that ‘spend a few quid’ that GW are so good at encouraging to addiction and regular spending.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 20:33:03


    Post by: Overread


    Remember rank and file on square or round bases is often done with movement trays. So if you're on rounds stay on rounds - you'll just put them onto a movement tray anyway.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 20:46:20


    Post by: Yodhrin


     Overread wrote:
    Remember rank and file on square or round bases is often done with movement trays. So if you're on rounds stay on rounds - you'll just put them onto a movement tray anyway.


    That can work for very casual games, but it's not ideal for a rank & flank game given that frontage matters and the footprint of the unit affects how it maneuvers.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 20:53:05


    Post by: Whirlwind


    GaroRobe wrote:
    But now I'm stuck. Do I still buy OOP models off ebay? Wll they be re-released (Meme-hammer shows Settra twice)? Should I start basing my Duardin on round bases or square bases? Will they release something like LOTR has, which is a movement tray designed for round bases? Will it be specialist games or from FW? Too many questions and we won't have answers for a really long time.


    Could you not just drill the models feet with metal pins and then put these into the base (barring very large / weighty models) - but rank file should work fine.

    It's a fascinating decision, 2 - 3 years down the line is probably close to the start of a development cycle so they were probably worried about a leak being misinterpreted. The decision to rework this seems odd given that it has not been that long since they stopped selling square bases and started culling older unit models.

    However it is still a market decision and its fascinating to think why they might have done this. Perhaps they feel they lost a customer base and assumed this would move across to AoS and now trying to recapture it (arguably WFB was played by an older audience with more disposable income). Arguably it would have always been better to run AoS and WFB alongside each other (a fantasy skirmish + ranked battles). Alternatively Total War might have engaged a wider market base that no longer has an outlet to play out the game? They wouldn't do it if they didn't think it would be profitable but then there is one thing for sure if they try an 8th edition at current prices it will likely fail. What they need to do is find a way to generate mass ranks cost effectively or they need to move towards the more herohammer era of 4th and 5th (or the less onerous 6th).

    I always thought that the cycle of WFB would come back but I'm not sure I thought it would happen this quickly.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 20:53:59


    Post by: streetsamurai


    Not surprising. AOS is pretty much a failure. And TW:W made a lot of person interested in the OW. Still, gotta give credi to GW. They really have the ear of the community foe the last few years. And unsurprisingly enough, their financial situation is thriving


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 20:54:05


    Post by: Bellerophon


    Colour me excited.

    My first real stint in this hobby was primarily as a WHFB collector. I was interested in 40k too, but I was mostly buying fantasy. I drifted away around 2011, then when I came back I found that GW had nuked WHFB and replaced it with AoS. I came back to 40k, and had very little interest in picking up AoS. WHFB and 40k were sufficiently different that I was interested in both, but AoS looked more like 40k in a fantasy skin, which just made me want to stick with 40k. Couple that with some lingering bitterness over killing the old world, and I've never picked up anything AoS.

    Even so, I've still not abandoned fantasy. I've still been on-and-off painting a few things for my High Elves, and I've considered buying up a few Seraphon kits and a bunch of square bases so that I can expand my Lizardmen.

    So yeah, I guess I'm a big part of the market for a revival. If they brought back WHFB, I'd probably buy far too much stuff.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 20:56:49


    Post by: Fajita Fan


    Damn, I rebased all my black orcs on round bases then primed them all. I also bought a ton of round bases I was just going to blue tack my square Lizardmen, Night Gobbos, Savage Orcs, and Chaos to. I couldn't justify cutting and regluing that much stuff so I was just going to blue tack them and call it a day. I'm glad I still have my old movement trays too!



    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 20:57:04


    Post by: zedmeister


    Oh my....

    Excuse me while I quietly rejoice. Oh happy days. And gives the option for the return of Mordheim, Warmaster and even Man O’War


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 20:57:45


    Post by: Inquisitor Gideon


     streetsamurai wrote:
    Not surprising. AOS is pretty much a failure. And TW:W made a lot of person interested in the OW. Still, gotta give credi to GW. They really have the ear of the community foe the last few years. And unsurprisingly enough, their financial situation is thriving


    Your bait is poor. Try harder.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 20:58:40


    Post by: Pariah Press


    My long-term hobby plans involved a big fantasy campaign starting around this time. It'll be nice to have access to new models for my armies. I'm not fussed about the whether the rules are any good; I can just use WHFB6 if I don't like the new rules. I could see the various Chaos cultist/marauder types they've introduced recently fitting in well in the Old World setting. As someone who never made the jump to AoS, it's nice to see support continue for one of my preferred games. I can and do buy minis from other manufacturers, but I am a big fan of John Blanche's and Jes Goodwin's design aesthetics.

    I'm very excited about the prospect of Mordheim maybe coming back. I had tremendous fun playing that back in the day, but the rules could have used a little more work.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 20:59:12


    Post by: nels1031


     Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
     streetsamurai wrote:
    Not surprising. AOS is pretty much a failure. And TW:W made a lot of person interested in the OW. Still, gotta give credi to GW. They really have the ear of the community foe the last few years. And unsurprisingly enough, their financial situation is thriving


    Your bait is poor. Try harder.


    Yeah, low level gak. Even for him.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 21:01:44


    Post by: GaroRobe


     Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
    I’d imagine that at the start, it’ll be re-released units, and re-designed characters.

    That to me seems the sensible cash generating options. There are relatively few infantry kits in particularly desperate need of a resculpt. Spit and polish the mould, profit.

    But putting say, Settra into plastic? That’s enticement to spend. Because after a quick think, relatively few WHFB special characters ever got a resculpt.

    Right now, GW has stupidly deep pockets. So they can afford the investment risk of updating stuff. And by focussing on character models and army centrepieces they create the big draw.

    Consider. I’ve an extensive Dark Elf army, made from the previous incarnation models. Now, if they give me a plastic Malekith, plastic Shades? That’s a reason for me, and any other former Dark Elf player to spend a few quid.

    And it’s that ‘spend a few quid’ that GW are so good at encouraging to addiction and regular spending.


    I think its safe to assume we'll get some from of re-released Tomb King. As for characters, I'd be just as happy if they released the old models as I would be if they redesign some. I suppose they can't make certain models, Morathi, Malekith, Thanquol, and any other AOS model that *survived* the destruction of the Old World (unless they decide to keep the two settings separate, which could make sense.) The real question would be whether or not they decide to make models for characters that are reincarnated in AOS but not specifically namedropped (I'm looking at you Settra and Balthasar Gelt).
    Either way, I just want an Anvil of Doom and a Throne of Judgement.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 21:03:18


    Post by: streetsamurai


    I must admit I was wrong. Just saw the last few ICV2 reports, and AOS is doing really well.


    Considering that, I'll shoulder my gun on the opther side, as we say in french, and must admit it's a bit of a weird decision. Not sure the fantasy market is big enough for 2 GW game. And it might take the winds of the sail of AOS

    Not that I'm complaining.I'm really happy about this news


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 21:05:39


    Post by: Arbitrator


    Oh man, this is great.

    The seething over in certain AoS circles is pretty fantastic to behold. So much for being a dead game none cared about, eh?


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 21:06:34


    Post by: BobtheInquisitor


    The main draw for me would be more novels and coffee table books set in the Old World. Reprint The Loathesome Ratmen and All Their Vile Kin, and I might buy it (depending on price adjustment). However, I’ll wait on giving my heart back to WHF until they undo the End a times and move the plot forward past that time period. Even Storm of Chaos 2 Encephalitic Boogaloo: the Headbuttening would be a welcome change.


     Kanluwen wrote:
    Oh lawd...Meme-Hammer!

    Personal favorite:


    Okay, this is the real best reason to bring back the Old World.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 21:08:22


    Post by: nels1031


     BobtheInquisitor wrote:

    Okay, this is the real best reason to bring back the Old World.


    Yep, pretty funny.

    The gakposting sites on Facebook have been having a blast with all the new content. And to think, its still 3 years away...


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 21:16:57


    Post by: streetsamurai


    While I've been warming up to APS in the last few years, I still think it can't hold a candle to WHFB in term of fluff and aesthetic. Can't wait to see what this will bring us


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 21:17:03


    Post by: nels1031


     Arbitrator wrote:
    Oh man, this is great.

    The seething over in certain AoS circles is pretty fantastic to behold. So much for being a dead game none cared about, eh?


    Get us some links or screenshots my dude. I love a good rager.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 21:22:24


    Post by: Gimgamgoo


    GW killing the old world was the best thing that ever happened to my gaming.
    I moved to KoW, and also tried loads of other games I would not have tried had I been kept in the GW hhhobby stable.

    It made me realise just how long, drawn out, and dull a game of WHFB was. KoW 1st edition was far more enjoyable - even if I was still using mainly GW figures in the old world setting.

    With the oversized, overdetailed, floaty AoS figures, my purchasing moved to Mantic and other companies for miniatures.

    I miss the old world, but I'm now sticking with KoW and Vanguard for my fantasy fix.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 21:32:15


    Post by: CthuluIsSpy


     BobtheInquisitor wrote:
    The main draw for me would be more novels and coffee table books set in the Old World. Reprint The Loathesome Ratmen and All Their Vile Kin, and I might buy it (depending on price adjustment). However, I’ll wait on giving my heart back to WHF until they undo the End a times and move the plot forward past that time period. Even Storm of Chaos 2 Encephalitic Boogaloo: the Headbuttening would be a welcome change.


     Kanluwen wrote:
    Oh lawd...Meme-Hammer!

    Personal favorite:


    Okay, this is the real best reason to bring back the Old World.


    I admit, it took me a second to understand it. Then I realized it was Settra
    "Settra does not lose!"

    So...does that mean Tomb Kings are confirmed? Because Settra showed up a couple of times.
    I hope they bring back Archaon's old design. His End Times / AoS design is crap compared to what it was before.


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     Yodhrin wrote:
     Overread wrote:
    Remember rank and file on square or round bases is often done with movement trays. So if you're on rounds stay on rounds - you'll just put them onto a movement tray anyway.


    That can work for very casual games, but it's not ideal for a rank & flank game given that frontage matters and the footprint of the unit affects how it maneuvers.


    Works for conquest.
    In fact, if GW just doesn't flatout copy how Conquest does it and introduces "Slotta trays" that have circular indentations for your AoS miniatures, I'd be very surprised.
    Come to think of it, don't they already have trays like that for War of the Ring?


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 21:44:31


    Post by: Voss


     Overread wrote:
    Remember rank and file on square or round bases is often done with movement trays. So if you're on rounds stay on rounds - you'll just put them onto a movement tray anyway.

    Which doesn't work for models that were on 20mm square bases, which is to say, all humans, goblins, elves, skaven, skinks, ungors, skeletons, zombies, ghouls, etc.
    Basically most single-wound infantry that isn't an orc, chaos warrior, saurus, or gor.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 21:52:02


    Post by: Galas


    Voss wrote:
     Overread wrote:
    Remember rank and file on square or round bases is often done with movement trays. So if you're on rounds stay on rounds - you'll just put them onto a movement tray anyway.

    Which doesn't work for models that were on 20mm square bases, which is to say, all humans, goblins, elves, skaven, skinks, ungors, skeletons, zombies, ghouls, etc.
    Basically most single-wound infantry that isn't an orc, chaos warrior, saurus, or gor.


    Why should they reuse a size they have completely abandoned. I believe is a very big assumption to make.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 22:00:40


    Post by: Kalamadea


    Plastic round slotta trays would be the best, heck they still have the molds for War of the Ring, just make ones for 32mm rounds and 50mm rounds. Going straight KoW footprint would be ideal, but I don't think it'll happen that way.

    **Edit** crap, forgot about the dozens of oval bases, that wouldn't work out so great actually. Still hoping for footprint-based movement trays instead of tightly ranked individually based models tho

    Should be entertaining, gives me plenty of time to finish my High Elf retro 6th ed army that I haven't touched in a 9 months, or my retro Chaos Mortals army that I built a few years back. Fortunately, I thought ahead and bought metal movement trays for both WHFB 6th and also KoW.

    I'm looking forward to both games existing, they're both fantasy games but very different and unique enough for both to exist simultaneously.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 22:07:39


    Post by: Coenus Scaldingus


    Simply don't know what to think of this news.

    If they are to bring it back, all of it, a largely unchanged version of it... why get rid of it in the first place?

    If it's going to be very different... there is little reason to get care.


    Had AoS been more akin to what it appeared to want to be (with Sigmarines, steampunk Dwarfs, Fishelves) - a very distinct setting and style - there would be more of a place for WHFB Episode II: The Clone War(hammer)s. Having units shared between the settings, or indeed factions partially shared (bits of the Daughters of Khaine? Some Chaos guys, but not the new Chaos Warriors who largely look like the same old Chaos Warriors, because they would be a pain to rank up?) seems very messy. Will they just get rid of the Cities of Sigmar closer the time and port them back to the Old World, where they belong and actually fit? Why were so many kits removed from the range so recently if they are to be brought back relatively soon? And if the won't return, why not (if they are recent, good quality sculpts)?

    If WHFB is to return, I certainly can't see FW play a major role. Even dedicated fans of the setting will struggle to bring themselves to purchase several blocks of 50 resin soldiers.

    As for the success of Total War, the timeframe doesn't seem ideal to be honest. I'm sure the popularity and free advertisement was a factor, but several years from now we would be at the tail end of the third and final part of the series. There might be some late DLCs (there have been for other games), but the right time to relaunch WHFB would certainly be close to the release of Warhammer: Total War 3, which would be quite soon.



    Argh. I'm just confused. More so now than after the "square bases" teaser.
    Can't say I'm excited. Nor necessarily dreading them screwing it up one way or another (I mean, they royally did that during the End Times and the aftermath already). There is some unresolved bitterness. Some eagerness to at least complete collections if old sets come back into production. Some fragments of all kinds of emotions.
    But mostly confusion.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 22:12:22


    Post by: Thargrim


    I am intrigued by this, the old world had some great lore and visuals. I am a bit baffled though, I didn't see this coming. Maybe this time we'll get chaos dwarfs in plastic (one can dream).


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 22:13:46


    Post by: Dread Master


    I can’t see how the prospects of spending 120 bucks to field a unit of 20 dudes is exciting to people. I mean what’s changed here?


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 22:14:07


    Post by: Voss


     Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
    Simply don't know what to think of this news.

    If they are to bring it back, all of it, a largely unchanged version of it... why get rid of it in the first place?

    Different market circumstances, different production circumstances (they supposedly had a bottleneck problem due to the local power grid and/or their infrastructure), different business strategies.

    Sometimes what seems a great idea on paper to one management team seems like a mistake to another one. If they feel there is a market for Oldhammer that they can meet for less production/costs, then why not do it? Especially if they can spin it as listening to customers and make gold and good will out of straw?


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 22:16:59


    Post by: AegisGrimm


    Im not really sure how I feel.

    Do you like how AoS plays but love the fluff of the Old World? Use those things together, with some added headcanon to interject the new AoS races (Dwarven airships? Must be a bunch of Engineers taking the field! Undersea elves? Must be a Dark Elf thing).

    Do you love rank and file and also the Old World fluff? Then just use Kings of War as a ruleset but set your games in the Old World, seeing as KoW has all the Old World factions available.

    I'm all for so e new "official" GW productions for stuff in the Old World, but the mechanical methods to play games there exist all over the place, and in much better ways, in some cases and also in many opinions.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 22:19:48


    Post by: Sim-Life


     Thargrim wrote:
    I am intrigued by this, the old world had some great lore and visuals. I am a bit baffled though, I didn't see this coming. Maybe this time we'll get chaos dwarfs in plastic (one can dream).


    It was always coming one way or another. GW would have had to make something based on WHFB and the Old World every ten years or so or they'd lose their rights over the setting. It's just much sooner than I expected.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 22:23:44


    Post by: Tastyfish


    Dread Master wrote:
    I can’t see how the prospects of spending 120 bucks to field a unit of 20 dudes is exciting to people. I mean what’s changed here?


    Their plastic production capabilities perhaps, with the easy to build start collecting sets appearing - you could probably get bulk sets of simpler models on the same sprues as something with more options to have a slightly larger set.
    Also it could be something more akin to Warhammer apocalpyse - with giant armies in tight ranks.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 22:29:34


    Post by: H


    If they do change old base sizes to new ones, they will almost certainly be larger than before, no? Meaning, that if you have them on old squares, or newer circle ones, you will likely be able to make or get a movement tray that will change them over.

    Come to think of it, geometrically, even if the circle goes to a smaller square shouldn't there be a way to "rank" circles of that are a close a size to squares where (at least) the frontage would be very nearly identical by staggering them? I left my math hat at home today, but it seems plausible off the top of my head.


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    Post by: AegisGrimm


    Just design a game where they are plugged into unit bases like War of the Ring or Game of Thrones. Simple.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 22:34:04


    Post by: highlord tamburlaine


    At least my Ogres don't need to go around worshiping Gorkamorka like they are now. Plus they didn't even get any similar keywords for it!

    It always was about the Great Maw!

    One happy takeaway from it all.


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    Post by: Tamereth


    On the one hand yay the old world lives, on the other GW don't really have anything to tell us.
    This isn't something they have been working on, this is something they decided to do last week and have draw a logo for. They haven't made any plans as to what this is going to be.

    On the other hand in a couple of years time I might get new high elf / lizard men etc models. Or even a new game worth playing.

    In the mean time can they at least start selling square bases again, they are getting hard to source.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 22:40:31


    Post by: Cronch


    They haven't made any plans as to what this is going to be.

    You really think this wasn't backed and vetted by a horde of marketing and accounting vampires?


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 22:49:56


    Post by: auticus


     AegisGrimm wrote:
    Im not really sure how I feel.

    Do you like how AoS plays but love the fluff of the Old World? Use those things together, with some added headcanon to interject the new AoS races (Dwarven airships? Must be a bunch of Engineers taking the field! Undersea elves? Must be a Dark Elf thing).

    Do you love rank and file and also the Old World fluff? Then just use Kings of War as a ruleset but set your games in the Old World, seeing as KoW has all the Old World factions available.

    I'm all for so e new "official" GW productions for stuff in the Old World, but the mechanical methods to play games there exist all over the place, and in much better ways, in some cases and also in many opinions.


    Getting people to play non gw games is biblically hard. Getting people in on a gw ruleset is easy. That alone answers why im happy to get an official game back that i can enjoy.


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    Post by: Thargrim


     Sim-Life wrote:
     Thargrim wrote:
    I am intrigued by this, the old world had some great lore and visuals. I am a bit baffled though, I didn't see this coming. Maybe this time we'll get chaos dwarfs in plastic (one can dream).


    It was always coming one way or another. GW would have had to make something based on WHFB and the Old World every ten years or so or they'd lose their rights over the setting. It's just much sooner than I expected.


    Well I kinda knew they would return to the old world as a setting, but not necessarily square bases and regiments coming back. I figured specialist games would put out a Mordheim reboot, or a similar type of game set in the old world.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 22:54:39


    Post by: Eiríkr


     Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
    Simply don't know what to think of this news.

    If they are to bring it back, all of it, a largely unchanged version of it... why get rid of it in the first place?


    That was the choice of the old regime, this is the choice of the new regime. Trust, from friends who work at Head Office, Games Workshop has completely revitalised itself internally.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 22:57:11


    Post by: RexHavoc


     Tamereth wrote:


    In the mean time can they at least start selling square bases again, they are getting hard to source.


    China sell plastic bases for pennies. Places like warlords, Kromlech etc. sell bases with a slight mark up.

    Square bases are pretty easy to source. GW will make it easier to get them again, but expect a huge mark up, even to what they were before they were dropped.


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    Post by: Boss Salvage


     auticus wrote:
    Getting people to play non gw games is biblically hard. Getting people in on a gw ruleset is easy. That alone answers why im happy to get an official game back that i can enjoy.
    *deeeeep sigh*

    Yea, there's the rub right there. The success of 40k APOC in ironing out a lot of the drek from 40k had me hoping WHFB APOC could do it for AOS, but I'm less convinced that's what's happening here. Smells a lot like Oldhammer repackage, and that's well and truly too funky for me.


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    Post by: silent25


    Yay, old world is back? This is all hope and dreams for people cheering it on. Fluff wise, will they still be cheering when the new stories, units, and characters come out? I remember the complaints with just Gryph Knights showing up for Empire. I was glad that AoS was able to allow new armies to show up that had nothing to do with the Old World. Kharadron Overlords is the best example of an AoS army freed from the fluff constraints of the Old World.

    As for rules, remember the 7th to 8th edition change? Both were RnF Warhammer, but I remember the insults being hurled at the people who liked 8th over 7th. Will people still be cheering if the rules take the worst of 8th and mix it in with a new rule set? My hope for the rules is that by the time this is in it's final stages JJ is long retired

    My personal hope for this is that it is more akin to what Warhammer Forge was originally pitched as. Figures, rules, and fluff from specific periods of Old World Lore. Remember there was meant to be a Battle of Black Fire Pass book? I hope for releases like that. But if anything, I also expect most troops to be on new 28mm square bases


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    Post by: Soulless


    Soo...KoW did well enough for GW to jump at this?


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    Post by: Crimson


    I cant really get exited by this. I was sad when they blew up the Old World, but I've gotten over it ages ago and AOS setting is finally getting interesting. Dividing resources and playerbase this way doesn't seem wise. They should have just reintroduced Old World elements into AOS, hell, there could be even an exact copy of the Old World sitting on the corner of one of the realms!

    Nor am I interested ranking up models again. That's just unnecessary bs. I want to be able to freely pose my models and I want them to be visible instead of being hidden behind ranks of identically posed dudes. If there is some block combat system I hope it works via trays upon which you can place your round-base models in a loose formation.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 23:15:59


    Post by: Gimgamgoo


    Oh... joy...

    Boxes of 10 plastic infantry for £25+
    And we'll need them in blocks of 50 for 1 unit.

    Ah... the excitement of the old world again.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 23:40:35


    Post by: Arklite


     Crimson wrote:
    I cant really get exited by this. I was sad when they blew up the Old World, but I've gotten over it ages ago and AOS setting is finally getting interesting. Dividing resources and playerbase this way doesn't seem wise. They should have just reintroduced Old World elements into AOS, hell, there could be even an exact copy of the Old World sitting on the corner of one of the realms!

    Nor am I interested ranking up models again. That's just unnecessary bs. I want to be able to freely pose my models and I want them to be visible instead of being hidden behind ranks of identically posed dudes. If there is some block combat system I hope it works via trays upon which you can place your round-base models in a loose formation.


    Honestly, you might not be the target market. I suspect this is GW trying to dominate in multiple segments of the market.

    It will, however, get someone like me to buy GW fantasy again. I dislike almost everything about AOS (background and aesthetics, rules aren't important to me), so I'm very much looking forward to seeing the results.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 23:45:00


    Post by: flakpanzer


    I wonder if they will upscale base sizes for those new square bases?

    I really hope they stick with 20mm, 25mm, and 40mm.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 23:47:44


    Post by: Argive


    I honestly dont think AOS rules and setting is going nowhere its the 40k of fantasy.

    It would be nice game and product for those that care about WHFB old world but don't care for AOS.

    Cant speak for everyone but im sure nobody is begrudging AOS.

    I just dotn care for it. I have nothing against people playing AOS or preferring it etc. Why would I?
    WHFB crowd understands what it means to have their world and setting killed off/not existing so would they want it for AOS? I think not. they just don't care about it. And would ideally want nothing to do with it.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 23:48:04


    Post by: GaroRobe


    I wonder if this is due to that survey from months ago. I can't imagine how many suggestions were "Revive Fantasy" and "Bring back the Old World"? Come to think of it, I doubt we'll ever know what new models and changes came directly from that survey.


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    Post by: queen_annes_revenge


    Damn, I was quite enjoying getting into the new setting, crazy realms and all chaos everywhere.. Reminds me of the mortal kombat world's, and distinguishes it from the usual elves orcs and humans fantasy setting.

    Dont get me wrong, I like the old setting, but I enjoyed the revamp.

    I guess it will be interesting to see where they take this.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 23:54:05


    Post by: shinros


     Gimgamgoo wrote:
    Oh... joy...

    Boxes of 10 plastic infantry for £25+
    And we'll need them in blocks of 50 for 1 unit.

    Ah... the excitement of the old world again.


    See that's the thing, price point is going to be important for something like this.


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 23:54:59


    Post by: Argive


    Man I just hope they don't mess with scale. I Have a whole OOP HE army ready to be built and painted lol


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    Post by: CthuluIsSpy


    GaroRobe wrote:
    I wonder if this is due to that survey from months ago. I can't imagine how many suggestions were "Revive Fantasy" and "Bring back the Old World"? Come to think of it, I doubt we'll ever know what new models and changes came directly from that survey.


    If that's the case, then I feel honored that GW took my feedback into consideration.

    Maybe we'll see Pariahs and Mega Armored Warbosses next!


    Warhammer The Old World ----- Square bases & AOS...!? Woooot in the eefffffff is goin on!? @ 2019/11/15 23:58:28


    Post by: Argive


    shinros wrote:
     Gimgamgoo wrote:
    Oh... joy...

    Boxes of 10 plastic infantry for £25+
    And we'll need them in blocks of 50 for 1 unit.

    Ah... the excitement of the old world again.


    See that's the thing, price point is going to be important for something like this.


    Why? AOS and all the specialist games warcry etc are available.

    If you want R&F style of game, then that just means a lot of dudes unfortunately, it is what it is. It's part of the package..