Well, to be fair, Mantic aren't exactly saying "we'll send them out once they're printed" either, so it's a pretty natural assumption to make that they don't necessarily intend to send out 4300 sets of the cards separately down the line. And it is obnoxious to have a character-card-based game with no cards for the models. It's the price of the choice of the manufacturer to go with cards instead of army books, and the onus really is on them...
You beat me to it!
Mantic shouldn't be getting a pass on this one - and they should be a bit more clear on what exactly will be going on here.
What are we missing actual cards for: by my count, it's only the Swashbuckling Sorak and the Plague Enforcer, right? And these two items were added right before the second survey, yes? Honestly, I bought both, and I'm not too fussed about it right now-they were both extremely late additions. I will be annoyed if I don't ever get the cards, but I'd be quite surprised if they just said "digital only, deal with it". We're ALL getting a shipment in October of Enforcers, if you so much as ordered anything relating to the Enforcer starter, so I'd suspect those two cards will be making their way in that order group. Again, I don't speak for Mantic, but that's my guess on the matter. I'd be surprised and chagrined if they blew the cards off completely.
GrimDork wrote: @Yonan, I'm pretty sure the hardback still exists. Nobody has shown one off that I've seen though. Probably aren't all that many really.
Cheers, I hope so. Really looking forward to that big chunky hard package of fun and excitement. Oh the things I plan to do with it...
timetowaste85 wrote: What are we missing actual cards for: by my count, it's only the Swashbuckling Sorak and the Plague Enforcer, right? And these two items were added right before the second survey, yes? Honestly, I bought both, and I'm not too fussed about it right now-they were both extremely late additions. I will be annoyed if I don't ever get the cards, but I'd be quite surprised if they just said "digital only, deal with it". We're ALL getting a shipment in October of Enforcers, if you so much as ordered anything relating to the Enforcer starter, so I'd suspect those two cards will be making their way in that order group. Again, I don't speak for Mantic, but that's my guess on the matter. I'd be surprised and chagrined if they blew the cards off completely.
They should probably state exactly what will be happening though.
Oh, completely agree-they let us know, nobody worries. They keep it hidden until they send out, people will be annoyed they didn't know what was going on. GW keeps the veil, and that's something Mantic has tried not to do. They should continue trying not to do that. Just a quick update would be a good idea.
Azazelx wrote: I'd love to see copies of these cheat sheet/summaries online somewhere.
I'd happily put them online - they might not be really helpful to you, though: I've written them in a mix of English (name) and German (description), since another purpose of the things is to be an aid for those players in my group with limited English skills...
GrimDork wrote: Compendium became a slip cover and the 4 books, I think you got one if you ordered over 300? May be wrong. And the hardback veteran/add-on compendium should exist too.
The $300+ one, the ~$800+ one still a single hardback containing everything?
so I've been enjoying Deadzone with one of my buddies and my brother recently picked up the box and another of my buddies got a team, and the FLGS is interested in carrying it. I told them I'd paint up and donate teams to the store if they did decide to carry it (I've got at least one extra of every team, sigh).
My question is - what's the current state of the Deadzone game box? I heard the old giant box was being discontinued for a slimmer box set (very important for shelf real-estate), and obviously the plastic Enforcers are coming in October - does this mean there will be a new starter box for Christmas? That's when they'd probably carry it, in time for the Holidays, so I'm wondering if anyone's heard of any info.
Or, if no one has heard of anything, since Mantic will be at Gencon, if anyone is going, could they ask about that? A new smaller starter box with the new Enforcer plastics?
Pacific wrote: Those sci-fi zombies look great! I already have tons of the 'Strain' miniatures from Sedition Wars (which look a little similar in concept, albeit a bit more 'manga' in style) but am sure these will be a pretty good option for those who don't want to have to convert their own from other sources.
Out of interest, does anyone know if there are any places taking pre-orders for the Forge Father starter pack for Deadzone? Seen it on Mantic's own site but would like to buy it from a trader if possible.
Firestorm are
8.99(with 10% off) for the set of the plastic forge guard, if I hadn't already spent. My hobby budget this month I'd be tempted to grab one of the iron ancestors.
It's a shame the chief broker is only in one of the boosters
I'm hoping to soon. First I'm gonna try the initial zombie solo mission.
Really the ai rules are pretty simple, each model has a type and that type has a priority list for its actions. The deck mostly picks which model moves in what order, and sometimes it spams battle cards. The other battle cards are set to triggers that are fairly obvious (use move if it let's you charge or fire heavy weapon, steadfast on a shift of 2 aggression, and so on). The rules also say you can give the AI a 1-3 point lead if you need the challenge. The an runs 2 missions simultaneously so it can get double points for certain kills or objective caps, balanced against the fact that you know their missions. They use all their battle cards and reshuffle their deck if they bottom out, only your deck is a game timer.
I think you can say that it doesn't so much play itself as it gives you a strong guideline and handy cap for moving the other team around. You know his hand and missions so he gets a break, you know your own mission which would be a problem with just playing both sides with no extra rules, but his guys all act in a random order most basically doing what each is best at. I'm sure there are traps you can put the AI by exploiting its features... but not something to do if you want the challenge.
I can attest the zombie rules are fairly entertaining, if you don't watch your actions closely you'll be overrun. A team of 4 enforcers all shooting and moving would probably be in CC from just those actions on the first turn.
Hope to check out the AI rules soon but I've got to go see about taking some pictures of the mantic booth to share here.
I don't know what pledge you put in but I did the $150 sweet spot pledge. I've got all the extra campaign gubbinz-digitally (Nexus Psi,Contagion & Incursion) as well as the AI, Forge Fathers, Asterians, 2nd wave and 2nd survey decks.
Well decided to buy some warbases 'zombie' trays for the plague zombies when they turn up. Think they should look pretty good once based up. Going to be a lot easier moving a hundred plus zombies when the Warpath beta hits.
Well picked up mars attacks! at gencon Looked like they had a fair few left for purchase. Didn't get to ask any good questions today but it sounded like Ronnie would be there tomorrow.
Janes Gully was... interesting. Apparently the guy who was supposed to run it bailed in some form and another guy got stuck with it. It was meant to be three rounds but we only did two since we were all kind of n00bs. We had a few no shows so we ended up with just three teams/factions. Cool guys all around, especially the brilliant man who had two sets of laminated cheat sheets. We all had fun, so the ramshackleness of it wasn't a huge deal.
I know you've had a chance to see shots of unboxed mars attacks already, but you'll see more if you visit my p&m blog in the next couple of days.
Further updates, Chris said no warpath this year, the domes missing in my MA box are a fluke, Ronnie is awesome (so is Chris and the rest of the team manning the mantic booth). Think thats it, oh no, that's right. The starter does have a smaller box now, at lest I looked slimmer by far.
GrimDork wrote: Further updates, Chris said no warpath this year, the domes missing in my MA box are a fluke, Ronnie is awesome (so is Chris and the rest of the team manning the mantic booth). Think thats it, oh no, that's right. The starter does have a smaller box now, at lest I looked slimmer by far.
They just said no warpath I didn't think to ask about dz2.0 shoot! I'll get a photo of the box up when I get back to good internet. Retail package is much much smaller than KS fulfilment box, but I think there has only been one size for it.
Right - somehow I misread Grimdork's post and thought he meant "no Warpath in 2015." Very disappointing when you read it that way. (That is, incorrectly.)
I didn't think Warpath would debut this year either.
Me either, but we didn't know for SURE that they weren't going to sneak it in before the end of the year or whatever. I think DS is turning out pretty big so they're gonna be dealing with that.
I think they're still working on sending packages out. I'm not sure if they've got the forge father sprues in and have started those orders yet or not, it was supposed to be the 10th but who knows, and Ronnie was at GenCon selling the crap out of some games and terrain (ridiculous amount of energy!) so the big boss hasn't been around to crack the whip.
I'll just stick this on the tail end of the post...
Thanks for the pics Grim! Looking forward to seeing the different coloured minis primed to see if they do vary in quality or if it's just the colour interfering. As others have said the army men look great quality in beige but the martians and reddies look softer. Don't be another almost please mantic ; p
Uploading now as I type, should be done in just a couple of minutes. I think they came out better with the white undercoat and black wash. They aren't super crisp, these aren't resin or metal or Infinity models or anything, but I think even I will be able to put a passable face on all of them.
I think for a couple of the women, the eyes will be somewhat more implied than readily available, but the main shapes of the face are there, just shallow.
For what we always knew was a boardgame, I'm fairly sure I can live with and worth with these no problem. I put in a pretty big pledge on such materials, but I don't think I'm gonna start regretting that over this.
With the wash, if you don't want to trawl the gallery:
As I was saying all along. They're just what I expected from boardgame plastic - and the same as I expect from the DKH Adventures KS - they're BG plastic PVC figures, not "proper" miniatures - and so I dollar-value them appropriately - which is that they are worth less than proper miniatures. Mantic fans need to bear this in mind with the DKH KS as well. You're not getting metal or Dust's pre-primed or Confrontation's Pre-paints or HIPS as you would from a GW boardgame like Space Hulk, you're getting boardgame figures in PVC, like Zombicide or something from FFG. (and the Gears models are a lot nicer than this, FWIW)
I'm not sure where you were getting all of your "sharp details, no mould lines" ideas from.
Mold lines don't bother me terribly as everything else I work with has them to some degree, and if they exist at all they require being dealt with (at least I do, I know some people prefer minimal lines they can just kind of ignore). So if they're there at all they may as well stick out a quarter inch so I can see them I'm finding cutting this (like with restic) is better for me, especially on the narrow/thin parts, but on thicker and solid bits you can scrape a lot like hard plastic. Big critters made out of this are liable to be pretty solid and easy to scrape. Did we talk about some other intermediate tool at some point that was maybe going to work well for scraping but wasn't a knife?
The faces are certainly squishier than I'd like, but not bad enough for me to be a sad panda about my pledge. It does make me stop to consider DS a little harder, though I bought a boatload of bones minis to which these are likely to be similar, so probably not a lot of difference either way.
Azazelx wrote: (and the Gears models are a lot nicer than this, FWIW)
The Gears models are great. These don't look like they measure up, which is a disappointment, although they had two things going against them right from the start. The Mars Attacks original sculpts weren't as richly (Remy) detailed as the Gears of War figures were, and they are also (if previous images representing their scale were accurate) quite a bit smaller than GOW minis. Larger models like the bugs may fare better.
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scarletsquig wrote: Detail seems to be roughly the same as restic with the mushed-out facial detail.
Some of the faces look pretty good, actually. Some of the men's faces, like Deke's and Buddy's, come across well in the photos. The women, though . . . I don't own any restic minis with faces that mushy.
Don't know if it's just the angle but zee looks massive compared to the rest.
Bit disappointed by some of the soft detail, gaps between the arms being filled and that there are mold lines like that after mantic said there were virtually none. :(
JoeRugby wrote: Don't know if it's just the angle but zee looks massive compared to the rest.
Aren't some of them supposed to be kids and teens?
Anyway, glad I skipped on any minis on Mars Attacks, not really my thing anyway. The mat and terrain will just get used up in something else probably.
Thanks for the pictures, makes me more sure that pulling my pledge on DKQ will be the right move. Well, dropping to $1 and picking up stuff for my KoW Undead in the PM, but that's nowhere near as dramatic sounding as 'Azazelxing'.
If I had any interest to begin with (I didn't) these pictures would make me stay well away from Mantic's dungeon whatever kickstarter. It almost feels like Mantic has transitioned from being a miniatures manufacturer to a board game manufacturer, but haven't bothered telling anybody since the "new plastic formula" is always promised that will eliminate all of the concerns that people interested in well sculpted and paintable miniatures have with the material. I don't blame Mantic for following the money, but it is pretty clear to me that Mantic is a board game company now.
I can't be bothered to spend my time painting up bendy mold line riddled low detail board game pieces to try and shoe horn them into the types of miniatures games that interest me.
Absolutely nothing against any of you that enjoy the more board game type stuff or for whom these types of board game pawns work, I just can't be bothered any more. Got too much nice stuff to paint already.
I'm pretty sure that there's a new definition for Azazelx'ing now.
It used to just be about threatening to pull your pledge, multiple times, during a campaign, and it might have actually resulted in you pulling your pledge.
Now, it is more about being really sure about something, and if you're not, you drop down to the minimum so you can get the pledge manager invite.
Then, IF things look better after the campaign is over, when there's been time to make 'production' minis and take pictures of them, you're good to go.
Nah, Azazelx'ing a campaign is the negotiation tactic of threatening to pull your pledge. As it was, so it is and always shall be...or something.
The concept you mention is a solid one though; perhaps we could find some other notable KS savant who does that? Hulksmash perhaps? Bobbing the Inquisitor on them? Wait...that just sounds dirty, which...given the poster involved....
Hopefully! The Warpath universe is about as unappealing as sci-fi settings get for me. However, decent hard plastic enforcers would at least get me to take a look at the game.
Hopefully! The Warpath universe is about as unappealing as sci-fi settings get for me. However, decent hard plastic enforcers would at least get me to take a look at the game.
I've personally never been too concerned about background to games, but I have enjoyed the beta 2.0 rules and I'm looking forward to getting Mantic Hard Plastic style deals. The hard plastic Enforcers ship in October for us Deadzone backers, the space zombies look good, and the hard plastic Forge Father dudes should be showing up shortly.
Krinsath wrote: Nah, Azazelx'ing a campaign is the negotiation tactic of threatening to pull your pledge. As it was, so it is and always shall be...or something.
The concept you mention is a solid one though; perhaps we could find some other notable KS savant who does that? Hulksmash perhaps? Bobbing the Inquisitor on them? Wait...that just sounds dirty, which...given the poster involved....
Wrong.
Azazelx'ing means...
OK, it means many things to many people - so you're not wrong!
Many times, just staying in for a dollar is the smart play...
Hopefully! The Warpath universe is about as unappealing as sci-fi settings get for me. However, decent hard plastic enforcers would at least get me to take a look at the game.
I've personally never been too concerned about background to games, but I have enjoyed the beta 2.0 rules and I'm looking forward to getting Mantic Hard Plastic style deals. The hard plastic Enforcers ship in October for us Deadzone backers, the space zombies look good, and the hard plastic Forge Father dudes should be showing up shortly.
Well currently Warpath has neither a background or miniatures that interest me. The space zombies do look fine, and I am definitely looking forward to seeing the hard plastic Enforcers.
Alpharius wrote: I'm pretty sure that there's a new definition for Azazelx'ing now.
It used to just be about threatening to pull your pledge, multiple times, during a campaign, and it might have actually resulted in you pulling your pledge.
Now, it is more about being really sure about something, and if you're not, you drop down to the minimum so you can get the pledge manager invite.
You realise that's exactly what I've meant whenever I've said "pull my pledge"?
I've only ever completely pulled out from one - that was Prodos' AVP.
Then, IF things look better after the campaign is over, when there's been time to make 'production' minis and take pictures of them, you're good to go.
If not, you've only lost a little bit of money.
Usually.
I think.
Entirely the point, my good man.
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sukura636 wrote: Out of question, what don't you like about the background?
I find it a bit bland, personally. Then again, I don't have the energy or inclination to immerse or invest myself in yet another new sci-fi universe. I just hope they have as many easy 40k-analogues as possible, so I can use my existing toy soldiers with a less cluster fethed set of rules, a la KoW.
There's a significant delay, they've changed a few things about the cardboard components (no grid now) after the fact, and the quality of the board tiles shown thus far looks... disappointing.
Communications are also less than awesome. Prodos are claiming that that is due to Fox licensing conditions.
I consider that pretty plausible (I've seen some ridiculously restrictive conditions w.r.t. products where image and perception of quality, as well as consistency, weren't half as important) but nevertheless, it's not the prettiest KS to be in on atm.
I have about 200 quid in on it now and I'd sort of like to slap down 140 quid more for the terrain when they reopen the PM, but the way it's going now I'm kind of reticent to.
Thing with the delay is that this was a KS where the creators claimed a pretty 'set' delivery date. The pricing kind of makes a lot of us less inclined to cut them some slack on that. I mean, the value is there, but it's not an insane steal in any way, shape or form. Take that together with the way communications, as mentioned, haven't been optimal, and I can understand why people are regretting getting in on it.
I've personally never been too concerned about background to games, but I have enjoyed the beta 2.0 rules and I'm looking forward to getting Mantic Hard Plastic style deals. The hard plastic Enforcers ship in October for us Deadzone backers, the space zombies look good, and the hard plastic Forge Father dudes should be showing up shortly.
Well currently Warpath has neither a background or miniatures that interest me. The space zombies do look fine, and I am definitely looking forward to seeing the hard plastic Enforcers.
My buddy uses his 40k Rogue Trader / 2nd edition era Orks in Warpath and they work just fine
I've go so many armies that while I do pine for giant piles of cheap excellent sci fi plastics, I'm more concerned with Warpath doing incredibly well and having market penetration so I'll have more than a handful of players in my local group.
Azazelx wrote: Why? I haven't followed it at all since they pissed me off for whatever reason that it was.
As others have mentioned, big delays (I can kind of accept though they annoy me), piss poor comms (which sets me off) and now the move away from a grid for the board game coupled with their poor comms makes me very much wonder how they are going to clearly and concisely handle things like LOS and cover in the board game. When they say that during a play test it took over an hour for the two sides to even make contact and then blame that on use of a grid I start to suspect their ability to design rules and scenarios. When they decide to make figures with even the smallest base bigger than the size of the grid they chose to use, and then blame the grid for issues (and the solution being ditch the grid), I suspect their ability to design a good boardgame is not what I was hoping it would be.
I know the figures will be nice (though wonder at how well they will handle QC on such a large run of resin figures), but I was very much wanting the cool AVP boardgame.
Also, some of the 'updates' have actually been more damaging than had they said nothing at all!
The first notice about the grid was not being used was something like "we've decided to print the terrain pieces without a grid", without anything else in way of explanation. Leading you to wonder whether you were meant to use the length of your forearm instead?!
As CptJake says, leaves you with absolutely no confidence in their ability to design a good set of rules for a boardgame, and in fact an information blackout might have been preferable in that at least we would have been blissful in our ignorance. The taste of Sedition Wars is still fresh in the mouth..
@judgedoug, funny you should say that - the first Mantic Orks reminded me a lot of the early Rogue Trader design, although the latest Deadzone minis have definitely taken things in a different direction.
The concept you mention is a solid one though; perhaps we could find some other notable KS savant who does that? Hulksmash perhaps? Bobbing the Inquisitor on them? Wait...that just sounds dirty, which...given the poster involved....
Please explain what you mean. I don't understand.
Pledging a single dollar is how I've participated in Deadzone, Mars Attacks, DBX and now DS. But I tend to add money on the pledge manager, so Stewart still talks to me.
sukura636 wrote:Out of question, what don't you like about the background?
I am not interested in a game with space orcs, space dwarves, space elves, and space ratmen. Having the humans be the "bad buys" is mildly interesting, but the setting is just fantasy in space, and I am much more interested in settings in which technology feels like it plays a big part in the world. I want a setting where space faring races aren't still using rivets to hold stuff together and wearing tunics.
judgedoug wrote:
My buddy uses his 40k Rogue Trader / 2nd edition era Orks in Warpath and they work just fine
I've go so many armies that while I do pine for giant piles of cheap excellent sci fi plastics, I'm more concerned with Warpath doing incredibly well and having market penetration so I'll have more than a handful of players in my local group.
I don't get a chance to play very often, so while I could (maybe?) make up some sort of warpath list for my AT43 Karmans (Oh my word do I love those guys), I am still left with no one to play, and nothing interesting to read about the universe to inspire me, so I am basically back at the same spot I started. So interesting fluff and interesting models weigh a little bit more heavily into my enjoyment of any given system than others that can get in a regular game.
Typing all of this out just made me sad for AT43. Never played the game, but that was an interesting universe with interesting races and interesting miniatures (actually some very decent prepaints on some of the line with very solid sculpts).
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Typing all of this out just made me sad for AT43. Never played the game, but that was an interesting universe with interesting races and interesting miniatures (actually some very decent prepaints on some of the line with very solid sculpts).
AT-43 is one of my favorite games of all time. Started buying it when it first came out and there's still about a half dozen of us in my gaming group that have armies/play occasionally. We did the Damocles campaign in 2012, it was a blast. AT-43 has some of the tightest rules, best fiction, and by the second wave of releases, nicest models. I've got like 6000 points of UNA and the same of Therians, my brother has at least that much in Red Blok and about 3000-4000 in Oni, and we have two Karman, another UNA, another Therian, and a Cog player. If Mantic's Warpath KS is super ridiculous and cements it as a viable option to 40k and WM:H, I'd love to bust out my AT-43 dudes just to get them on the table more than they currently do.
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Typing all of this out just made me sad for AT43. Never played the game, but that was an interesting universe with interesting races and interesting miniatures (actually some very decent prepaints on some of the line with very solid sculpts).
AT-43 is one of my favorite games of all time. Started buying it when it first came out and there's still about a half dozen of us in my gaming group that have armies/play occasionally. We did the Damocles campaign in 2012, it was a blast. AT-43 has some of the tightest rules, best fiction, and by the second wave of releases, nicest models. I've got like 6000 points of UNA and the same of Therians, my brother has at least that much in Red Blok and about 3000-4000 in Oni, and we have two Karman, another UNA, another Therian, and a Cog player. If Mantic's Warpath KS is super ridiculous and cements it as a viable option to 40k and WM:H, I'd love to bust out my AT-43 dudes just to get them on the table more than they currently do.
This, all of this. Alas, alas for AT43!
Sorry for sidetracking all of this, I'm off to go mope in a corner.
I am not interested in a game with space orcs, space dwarves, space elves, and space ratmen. Having the humans be the "bad buys" is mildly interesting, but the setting is just fantasy in space, and I am much more interested in settings in which technology feels like it plays a big part in the world. I want a setting where space faring races aren't still using rivets to hold stuff together and wearing tunics.
It's worth picking up the Deadzone: Containment Protocols short story novel (I think you can get it for an ebook quite cheaply). It gives you a far better feel for the games universe and where Mantic wants to go with the games universe, than a quick glance at the model range would show you.
Basically, think more Alien/Wayland-Yutani meets Firefly, than say, a game set in the 41st Millennium.
I am not interested in a game with space orcs, space dwarves, space elves, and space ratmen. Having the humans be the "bad buys" is mildly interesting, but the setting is just fantasy in space, and I am much more interested in settings in which technology feels like it plays a big part in the world. I want a setting where space faring races aren't still using rivets to hold stuff together and wearing tunics.
It's worth picking up the Deadzone: Containment Protocols short story novel (I think you can get it for an ebook quite cheaply). It gives you a far better feel for the games universe and where Mantic wants to go with the games universe, than a quick glance at the model range would show you.
Basically, think more Alien/Wayland-Yutani meets Firefly, than say, a game set in the 41st Millennium.
I may take a look, but unless the book ends with a giant cataclysm wiping out the space Orks, space dwarves, space elves, and space ratmen, I will likely be disappointed. Actually a book in which four races got wiped from the four corners of the universe would likely be a very interesting read. My expectations aside, I do appreciate the recommendation.
I am not interested in a game with space orcs, space dwarves, space elves, and space ratmen. Having the humans be the "bad buys" is mildly interesting, but the setting is just fantasy in space, and I am much more interested in settings in which technology feels like it plays a big part in the world. I want a setting where space faring races aren't still using rivets to hold stuff together and wearing tunics.
It's worth picking up the Deadzone: Containment Protocols short story novel (I think you can get it for an ebook quite cheaply). It gives you a far better feel for the games universe and where Mantic wants to go with the games universe, than a quick glance at the model range would show you.
Basically, think more Alien/Wayland-Yutani meets Firefly, than say, a game set in the 41st Millennium.
And yet we get smiling dancing orks and goblins using riveted tech items to populate our table top representation of this universe. Sorry, in my opinion, if the figures are what people see, on store shelves and in web stores, THAT ends up providing the tone for the game universe, not some fan fiction that Mantic decides to publish as an E-book.
And yet we get smiling dancing orks and goblins using riveted tech items to populate our table top representation of this universe. Sorry, in my opinion, if the figures are what people see, on store shelves and in web stores, THAT ends up providing the tone for the game universe, not some fan fiction that Mantic decides to publish as an E-book.
We agree! Background aside, I'm just hoping for a widely played generic sci fi ruleset that allows the use of alternate manufacturers so I can bring an army of Urban Mammoth's Viridians into a store to play a game against someone and not have it be a problem.
Yeah, they said that stuff would be shipping sometime in the middle of August with the forge fathers stuff, haven't seen anything saying that anyone's has shipped
Well, the FF stuff was supposed to be in hand at Mantic on Aug 9th. Since we haven't heard anything, I think we can safely assume they don't have anything yet. Of course, "ground control" or whatever it's called hasn't been updated for awhile, so we have NFI what the actual situation is.
Word on the street is that Mantic Towers is in flames, Ronnie's on the run in Copenhagen with a fake ID, Stewart's about to be executed by South American revolutionaries, Fisty. Glue man is missing off the coast of Japan, Sarah's sealed in a coffin slowly filling with water, and Jake can't remember his password.
Guess we'll find out how it all turns out this fall.
Azazelx wrote: Well, the FF stuff was supposed to be in hand at Mantic on Aug 9th. Since we haven't heard anything, I think we can safely assume they don't have anything yet. Of course, "ground control" or whatever it's called hasn't been updated for awhile, so we have NFI what the actual situation is.
Plus the people who would have had a clue and authority to share said clue would be Ronnie and Co. who were at GenCon. It's like a mini-CNY in August!
Would like to get my shipping notice soon, or at least word of what's going on if that's not possible.
Just finished my pledge manager for DBX. I, uhh, kind of had no idea what I was looking at. I mean, don't get me wrong, that pledge manger looks to be much better than the surveys, especially the part that tells you what you are already getting. I just meant my memory of that kickstarter itself is a haze. There are like a dozen individual models and several teams of this or that, I didn't really feel too obligated to add anything else aside from picking up the small rebs team out of faction loyalty and that Eclipse cause who doesn't love space wolf people?
BobtheInquisitor wrote: Word on the street is that Mantic Towers is in flames, Ronnie's on the run in Copenhagen with a fake ID, Stewart's about to be executed by South American revolutionaries, Fisty. Glue man is missing off the coast of Japan, Sarah's sealed in a coffin slowly filling with water, and Jake can't remember his password.
Guess we'll find out how it all turns out this fall.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: Word on the street is that Mantic Towers is in flames, Ronnie's on the run in Copenhagen with a fake ID, Stewart's about to be executed by South American revolutionaries, Fisty. Glue man is missing off the coast of Japan, Sarah's sealed in a coffin slowly filling with water, and Jake can't remember his password.
Guess we'll find out how it all turns out this fall.
Nah, we'll find out next week when some insider spoils everything online.
When's DBX's pledge manager close? I'm still debating if it's something that will actually see any tabletop time.
Kids aren't into sports games, but Barzam at least is getting a team or two, so there's a slim chance I can at least get a game or two in on the weekends.
Stewart assured me that the DBX PM will still be open when I receive my Mars Attacks plastics. They'd be daft to close it before we got a chance to find out if we trust the new, improved not-the-good-plastic.
GrimDork wrote: Just finished my pledge manager for DBX. I, uhh, kind of had no idea what I was looking at. I mean, don't get me wrong, that pledge manger looks to be much better than the surveys, especially the part that tells you what you are already getting. I just meant my memory of that kickstarter itself is a haze. There are like a dozen individual models and several teams of this or that
Yeah, I started trying to do mine then gave up realising I'll probably need an hour or so cross-referencing my list of what I pledged for with the front page/KS updates with the pledge manager.
Azazelx wrote: Well, the FF stuff was supposed to be in hand at Mantic on Aug 9th. Since we haven't heard anything, I think we can safely assume they don't have anything yet. Of course, "ground control" or whatever it's called hasn't been updated for awhile, so we have NFI what the actual situation is.
I thought the Asterians were being sent out a week earlier than that, and I haven't had any word yet (didn't get any FF).
It's annoying, because I've now got 2 days of holiday left, and I thought I might have timed it pretty well so I could spend 2 weeks assembling all my terrain (haven't made anything from the first wave yet). But... no.
Azazelx wrote: Well, the FF stuff was supposed to be in hand at Mantic on Aug 9th. Since we haven't heard anything, I think we can safely assume they don't have anything yet. Of course, "ground control" or whatever it's called hasn't been updated for awhile, so we have NFI what the actual situation is.
I thought the Asterians were being sent out a week earlier than that, and I haven't had any word yet (didn't get any FF).
It's annoying, because I've now got 2 days of holiday left, and I thought I might have timed it pretty well so I could spend 2 weeks assembling all my terrain (haven't made anything from the first wave yet). But... no.
I know how you feel. I was planning to spend my Christmas 2012 holidays building Leviathans, and my Christmas 2013 holidays painting my Secret Weapon boards.
I've only spent about $400 on DZ, have 3-4 full starter armies for everyone in the core group, a few special characters, 2 striders, all terrain, 4 game mats. Good God, how much did you guys get?!
timetowaste85 wrote: I've only spent about $400 on DZ, have 3-4 full starter armies for everyone in the core group, a few special characters, 2 striders, all terrain, 4 game mats. Good God, how much did you guys get?!
My gaming group aggregated through me, so about $1,700. Oh wait, that's only second survey. So maybe $1800.
-The box set
-Plague Booster
-Enforcer Booster
-Marauder Starter & Booster
-Rebs Starter & Booster
-Second Plague Starter & Booster (For the girlfriend)
-Three extra Mats
-A few extra battlezones of the standard scenery
-Chovar, Helfather, and Boomer (None of which I've yet to receive, but they're on Amazon and eBay!)
-Forge Fathers Starter & Booster
-Asterians Starter & Booster
-The six named special characters
-Two sets of striders
-Stuntbot
-Iron Ancestor
-All new models introduced with the second survey
-80 Zombies
-10 Peacekeepers (should have gotten more...)
-2 each of ruined and stronghold battlezones
All of this was from my memory, so I'm probably forgetting something
But as to everyone's discussion of DKQ, I'm backing. It's something simple I can set up on my kitchen table for game night when I have friends over. I just hope they have some kind of connectors for the board pieces.
Boomer is second survey, the chovar and helfather should have been in the first wave?
I got a similar haul but no iron ancestor (bought doomstorms instead), and I had assault so double up all the base stuff. And scenery, there was a lot of that.
Also in for DS for basically the same reasons, easily accessible fantasy game with RPG elements. For when people want to cooperate more than play munchkin and backstab eachother.
I know, I know, they're resin - but they do look seriously nice. Henry & the Flea are going to be a joy to paint (and are larger than I thought!), the fleshdog looks pleasingly upsetting, and that's probably the best Blaine yet.
Is that Ramirez? I can't recall her/an analogue being in the campaign - looks better than the SW one though.
I think she's just a novas vira grunt. They all look good, and I'm thinking most should translate well to the final material, though we'll probably have weaker faces on Belos Bel and the novas vira lady, but still workable.
Yes, Vasquez! Was getting mixed up with the Sedition Wars IP-baiting name...which I suppose demonstrates why 'brand confusion' is a real thing.
I was actually quite unimpressed by the original concept of the Novas Vira (as they seemed even more generic than modern-warfare troopers), but I think they'll slot into the human faction nicely - the crazy special forces with more scars, stubble and individual variety.
Bioptic wrote: Yes, Vasquez! Was getting mixed up with the Sedition Wars IP-baiting name...which I suppose demonstrates why 'brand confusion' is a real thing.
What a shame the Sedition Wars version turned out so tiny.
pretre wrote: Newest update says that they sent the Forge Guard back to the toolmaker. So 5-6 day delay. :(
"we saw the production figures and have asked the toolmaker to do more work on the mould. There was a slight issue with pitting on the shoulders, where the plastic doesn’t form properly, and mould mis-alignment on the feet."
That is perfectly acceptable in order to get good quality miniatures. I'm reallllllly looking forward to those space dwarves.
Glad to see I wasn't the only one somewhat disappointed in the Novas Vira design. I was hoping for something like SHIELD or XCOM agents, instead it's just generic civvies with guns.
Wasn't that more along the lines of those 'space soldiers' that were added at some point? I think they showed a captain and one other guy, wearing chunkier armour.
Just read today's update for Deadzone. Mantic have apparently learned a lesson and are actually looking at models before rushing them out the door. I'm happy that at least some of the models that I get from them will not be plagued by issues.
agnosto wrote: Just read today's update for Deadzone. Mantic have apparently learned a lesson and are actually looking at models before rushing them out the door. I'm happy that at least some of the models that I get from them will not be plagued by issues.
I'm much rather have a few weeks delay than plastics with misaligned feet.
agnosto wrote: Just read today's update for Deadzone. Mantic have apparently learned a lesson and are actually looking at models before rushing them out the door. I'm happy that at least some of the models that I get from them will not be plagued by issues.
I'm much rather have a few weeks delay than plastics with misaligned feet.
Ditto thus my happiness that we're not going to revisit Man-at-Arms gate.
agnosto wrote: Just read today's update for Deadzone. Mantic have apparently learned a lesson and are actually looking at models before rushing them out the door. I'm happy that at least some of the models that I get from them will not be plagued by issues.
I'm much rather have a few weeks delay than plastics with misaligned feet.
Ditto thus my happiness that we're not going to revisit Man-at-Arms gate.
"We’re sorry that this will take a little longer to reach you but we were not prepared to ship you a sub-par quality product especially because the improvements could be made with just a 5 or 6 day delay. We are working with our manufacturer to re-work the tool."
really do augur well for the future of proper hard plastic production of Mantic figures. We have already seen this attitude with the plastic Enforcers (where, lets face it, they had no wiggle room to feth them up) and it is great to see it continued. The fact that they are delaying the retail release also protects them from kicking from some backers. Good work Mantic, here is hoping that the next sprues are up to scratch.
agnosto wrote: Just read today's update for Deadzone. Mantic have apparently learned a lesson and are actually looking at models before rushing them out the door. I'm happy that at least some of the models that I get from them will not be plagued by issues.
This should bode well for their Dungeon Saga and Mars Attacks stuff then?
I think this is great news. I'm just not sure I believe any sort of manufacturing problem in China can be solved in 5-6 days, but at least they are getting fixed. The Basilean debacle was the biggest missed opportunity in wargaming I've ever seen. Also a textbook example of being pennywise and pound foolish. I still can't get over how bad everything was.
Hopefully they blow everybody out of the water with the Enforcers in Peacekeeper armor. That could be a real game changer.
if it's just one vent location that has to be added to the tool, it's not entirely infeasible. Would be a short pipeline on the manufacturer's end but that's certainly possible.
They then have to set up to do several hundred to several thousand shots of the mould and somehow get them to the UK. Unless they're air expressing them over, I can't see how that's going to work in "5-6 days".
Interestingly, the update talked about how "The Forge Guard sprue was due to be in the warehouse on the 15th August." Yet mission control said the 10th.
While I think it's great that they're fixing the messed-up models rather than sending them out, I don't expect their given timeframe is in any way accurate.
They're probably air mailing them in. I believe the 5-6 days is the amount of time to sort the issue, but not the total delay. I'm optimistic of 'by the end of the month', if they get the date confirmed.
Chinese New Year or bust. I'm also willing to put money on the probability of them missing some fairly bothersome flaw that greatly devalues the kit in the eyes of war gamers.
Fortunately, with my expectations set this low, I should be pretty content about the end result.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Chinese New Year or bust. I'm also willing to put money on the probability of them missing some fairly bothersome flaw that greatly devalues the kit in the eyes of war gamers.
Fortunately, with my expectations set this low, I should be pretty content about the end result.
Now I wish I could remember if I ordered 3 bugs or 6... They look awesome, and I think the softer boardgame plastic is less of an issue on big bulky things like those.
Again, really good painting and composition of the picture. And it is a very cool figure.
I'm very much regretting asking to be and then being released from my pledge, this game has some really cool stuff. I wish it had come out before DeadZone.
Those are fantastic!! I'm very impressed by those. I'm trying to figure out what I could actually use them as though, unless they can be used in Deadzone or the future of warpath...
A delay is ok by me if everythings shiny at the end im really looking forward to seeing the forge fathers. Ive got a booster coming plus seventy enforcers on their way
That's making me glad I got 3 ants and 3 spiders ; p Now to practice ant and spider noises as I stomp them across the board at each other. (spoiler: ants win because haet spiders) Also looks ridiculously easy to paint like that ; p Prime, basecoat, wash. Even I can do that!
I'd take months delay if necessary to ensure quality models, let alone weeks. I'm probably the most upbeat in the DFG thread at this point which is 1.5 years late (so far) so that gives some idea of how fussed I am about timeliness compared to quality though ; p
Okay, I'm finally starting work on the fortified stuff...what the hell?! How am I supposed to put this stuff together? Wasn't there a tutorial floating here somewhere? The pillars just don't seem to work.
timetowaste85 wrote: Okay, I'm finally starting work on the fortified stuff...what the hell?! How am I supposed to put this stuff together? Wasn't there a tutorial floating here somewhere? The pillars just don't seem to work.
The straight sided supports worked fine when I built mine, but for the corners I ended up just cutting off the tabs and gluing them directly to the bunker. It's not like I'm going to be tearing it down, after all.
Think it's from terrain tutor originally. You use a flat head screw driver to push the connectors in and pop them out. Best thing I've found for getting the plugs in.
I recommend everyone check out this vid he did for battlezones
Hulksmash for the corner pieces did you cut the middle rivet off of the tiles that worked for me.
The fortified bits are massively frustrating, even with that thou I need 6 reinforced windows to make my second tower
I can manage even the fortified corners okay, although they're not perfect. It's the full-sized panel reinforcements that are ticking me off as they won't sit flush on anything but flat floor pieces. I'll just glue them to plasticard instead and double the coverage I get from each Fortified set.
Huh. I only had the one fortification set but I've used all of it's bits and it didn't seem too bad...
The corner pieces, you've gotta stick one side in and then kind of wrap/fold/rotate the corner armor support thing until it clicks to the other side. If a piece won't work, try another, I had to do that a few times but I eventually found buildings the various pieces would go to. Not had trouble with the straights panel-wide up-armor bits either but I did use four of them inside my dice towers and that was all glue-based.
Guess I got lucky.
Looking forward to digging through my ruins sprues, glad I got some at GenCon now since we've got that second wave delay... Any problems people have been having with those?
Is anyone receiving two boxes in the second wave? I'm missing over 50% of my order, dice, zombies, faction boosters, you name it. I did get the ruins, AI deck, and Asterians though.
pretre wrote: I imagine mine will be in multiple boxes and I've seen pics of other folks getting multiples.
Good to know, thanks for the reply. From other companies I typically see a '1 of 2' or something on the box or invoice so I know to expect another. Then again, this is Mantic so I shouldn't expect a detailed shipping record
That might explain it, the only thing I'm not getting are the starter boosters for both the asterians and forgefathers. I qualified for the compendium, and also bought the collectors hard cover book. along with some other stuff.
Hard cover book couldn't go out until Ronnie got back to base (yesterday?). There were a couple of QC issues with the hard plastic forge father pieces so they paused to have them fix the issues. Until they get those sprues in they won't be shipping anything with the hard plastic forge fathers in it.
Dr Mathias wrote: Is anyone receiving two boxes in the second wave? I'm missing over 50% of my order, dice, zombies, faction boosters, you name it. I did get the ruins, AI deck, and Asterians though.
I received 2 smallish boxes. They arrived within 3 days of each other. The second box that arrived helpfully had '2 of 2' written on the side, and contained the packing slip for the whole order. This was of course after I had submitted a missing items form to Mantic as the first box that arrived was unmarked with no pack list.
For the work/link restricted, the contents of the email:
We’ve taken the decision to ship the remainder of all orders.
The mold problem with the Forge Fathers Forge Guard has not been solved quite yet by our toolmaker so we’ve pushed the frame back and added them to the third shipment in October so we can work on them some more and get the quality bang on. It also means we're not holding up any shipments.
Orders started being packed yesterday and, as we reach the tail-end of shipping the Asterians and the compendiums out, we’ll begin dispatching as originally planned.
The Forge Guard sprue, Enforcer Troop sprue and Enforcers in Peacekeeper Armour will ship in a third shipment in October.
Thank you for your patience and your understanding whilst we’ve dealt with this issue, we look forward to getting you your models as quickly as possible!
And some other bits:
Strategy Guides
Here’s a snippet from the Enforcer Field Manual:
Playing to Win
Enforcers win games not necessarily by wiping out your opponent – although that certainly helps! – but by controlling the battlefield and focusing on their mission goals. If your mission card calls for you to secure an objective, make it a priority to find out which ones you need. Again, you don’t need to camp them for the whole game, and not doing so may lead your opponent into thinking your mission goals lie elsewhere. If your mission calls for you to make some kills, focus fire on one model at time using interlocking fields of fire, prioritizing enemy melee specialists first – you only want to engage in hand-to-hand fighting on your terms, not on your opponent’s.
To control the battlefield, use the impressive amount of suppressive fire Enforcers have available to them to keep key enemy models pinned or suppressed. While it can be frustrating to have an epic Blaze Away roll negated by a Steadfast card, your opponent can only hold so many of them – Marauders only have 6 Steadfast cards in their battle card deck, followed by the Plague at 8 and the Rebs at 10, and it’s unlikely that all of those cards will end up in the 25 used during the game. A model pinned is a model not advancing your enemy’s agenda or taking shots at you – after all, they can’t kill you if they’re hugging the dirt.
The Strategy Guides are due for digital release in September.
Deadzone FAQ Jake Thornton, mastermind behind the Deadzone ruleset, has taken to Quirkworthy to update the FAQ.
And finally… Our newest Kickstarter project – Dungeon Saga: The Dwarf King’s Quest – ends Sunday 31st August at 11:59pm BST.
It is currently our second-most supported Kickstarter we’ve run and, if you want to join us once again for that addictive last weekend rush, or simply to pick up tonnes of cool fantasy miniatures and a neat, straight out of the box fantasy board game, Dungeon Saga is the place to be this weekend.
Not great news but not terrible either, hopefully the kits will be spot on once we get them.
ive asked in the comments as well if they'll consider reopening the pledge manager for 3rd wave items so that we can add more since they've been delayed.
That's fine, would much rather have sweet space dwarves in a few months than mismolded space lumps right now. Unless it was a cereal. Mismolded Space Lumps chocolately marshmallowy oat cereal
Given that they're not happy with them still, I'm very happy Mantic is still delaying them, to ship at their own cost with the unexpected wave 3. If they keep this focus on quality up they'll keep getting my KS dollars I think - so long as eventually they do get the quality ; p Also happy that Wave 2 with substantial goodies will be on its way soon! Wonder how much restic is going to be in it... cleaning 3 strike forces and 1 BOGOF of each faction was time consuming and bloody. The up-side however was my thumbs are so caloused they're being investigated by materials scientists for use in body armour.
Mantic delaying something that isn't right is far better than how they have handled things in the past.
Apparently my shipment of asterians has arrived at my mothers haven't checked it's complete yet though. Moved around a lot latley so didn't want to order it to an address I may not be at, would rather wait for it than risk not getting it.
I did half expect them to do exactly what they've chosen to do in adding the FFs to the Enforcers and just ship the rest - because "5-6 days to fix a major problem" was just crazytalk at best, and it's a fairly obvious solution.
Weren't they supposed to be finished shipping the Asterian stuff about 3 weeks ago now, though?
Will Mantic ever learn to not launch a new campaign at exactly the same time they're shipping a previous campaign?
That's crazy talk ; p Though it's probably mostly separate staff? I recall them saying they got everyone in to ship Deadzone wave 1 because it was a huge amount of stuff, but that shouldn't be standard procedure I imagine.
Not sure. If shipping is blowing out by several weeks I don't see how it would be anything but a smarter option to concentrate on fulfilment properly rather than splitting staff in two directions - and ship just before or just after things like GenCon or Salute - not during!
I received a second box for my Wave 2 items, everything appears to be in order and good quality. The zombies are interesting, I'll be anxious to see how easy they are to convert a bit.
Dr Mathias wrote: I received a second box for my Wave 2 items, everything appears to be in order and good quality. The zombies are interesting, I'll be anxious to see how easy they are to convert a bit.
I'd love to see you paint them up! You are a talented painter.
I've got some time off work in a couple of weeks. I'd love it if my DZ actually arrived before that so I can play around with it, but I don't like my chances of that happening
I haven't done much in the way of miniatures since I found out the hard way that my dog is now big enough to reach my project bench. Fortunately, he mostly ate Mantic minis, some Samurai and some of the Sedition Wars bits I was gathering for a project. Mostly.
Suddenly, pre-assembled minis are looking more attractive.
Hardback book is really nice, it'd be handy if it had the title down the spine though. In 20 years time I'm going to be repeatedly taking it off the bookshelf to see what it is.
Asterian Cyphers are pretty spindly, but don't seem too bad, flashwise (I've noticed a few bits on the shoulders, which are pretty straight lines). The potential was there for them to be awful.
Integrated base-dislikers will be pleased to know that the Asterians as a range do not have them, none of the Cyphers or the Commander. I like this, as I've been cutting everything off and rebasing onto Renedra, which is now one step easier.
One of my inner bags is missing a head and weapon, which probably means I need to check each bag properly for each part... ugh... and I wanted a weekend.
Striders are pretty chunky, lots more parts in the bags than I can be bothered to look through right now (I know there are 3 variants). Again it looks like flash is minimal, except on the heads (of the pilots), which almost have a transverse restic crest. Fortunately there's the option of the closed cockpit.
They seem to have missed one of the battlezones I ordered (I mean, they were BOGOFF on the survey, weren't they? Didn't anyone wonder why they were only packing one?)
Also missed my connector bundle... which I'll definitely need at some point.
Watching the BoW video from this weekend about the Mars Attacks release, the MA marines make me really excited about how good the Corp Marines will be in the WP kickstarter.
Dr Mathias wrote: I received a second box for my Wave 2 items, everything appears to be in order and good quality. The zombies are interesting, I'll be anxious to see how easy they are to convert a bit.
I'd love to see you paint them up! You are a talented painter.
Thanks
That pretty much means I'm obligated to paint some zombies up, and soon
Dr Mathias wrote: I received a second box for my Wave 2 items, everything appears to be in order and good quality. The zombies are interesting, I'll be anxious to see how easy they are to convert a bit.
I'd love to see you paint them up! You are a talented painter.
Thanks
That pretty much means I'm obligated to paint some zombies up, and soon
Dr Mathias wrote: I received a second box for my Wave 2 items, everything appears to be in order and good quality. The zombies are interesting, I'll be anxious to see how easy they are to convert a bit.
I'd love to see you paint them up! You are a talented painter.
Thanks
That pretty much means I'm obligated to paint some zombies up, and soon
Hardback book is really nice, it'd be handy if it had the title down the spine though. In 20 years time I'm going to be repeatedly taking it off the bookshelf to see what it is.
Asterian Cyphers are pretty spindly, but don't seem too bad, flashwise (I've noticed a few bits on the shoulders, which are pretty straight lines). The potential was there for them to be awful.
Integrated base-dislikers will be pleased to know that the Asterians as a range do not have them, none of the Cyphers or the Commander. I like this, as I've been cutting everything off and rebasing onto Renedra, which is now one step easier.
One of my inner bags is missing a head and weapon, which probably means I need to check each bag properly for each part... ugh... and I wanted a weekend.
Striders are pretty chunky, lots more parts in the bags than I can be bothered to look through right now (I know there are 3 variants). Again it looks like flash is minimal, except on the heads (of the pilots), which almost have a transverse restic crest. Fortunately there's the option of the closed cockpit.
They seem to have missed one of the battlezones I ordered (I mean, they were BOGOFF on the survey, weren't they? Didn't anyone wonder why they were only packing one?)
Also missed my connector bundle... which I'll definitely need at some point.
Got my stuff Friday as well. The resin enforcer pathfinder looks very nice. I seem to have ordered a strider, plauge strider and a ruined BZ that I don't remember ordering lol. Have not had a proper look at everything yet but the metal characters are all flash lol! The SW plastic board looks very nice its got so many attachments that I have no idea what they all do!
Riquende wrote: One of my inner bags is missing a head and weapon, which probably means I need to check each bag properly for each part... ugh... and I wanted a weekend.
Nope, just me being blind earlier, just went through to do a proper look at everything, and the 2 parts were loose in the bag, missed them earlier.
So just need to get my missing battlezone and connectors sorted... is it still the google docs form for that?
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overtyrant wrote: I seem to have ordered a strider, plauge strider and a ruined BZ that I don't remember ordering lol.
Good to see that Mantic's packing QA is as good as ever. Perhaps I won't be closing the book on this KS in Sept-Oct, but Nov-Dec as I work with them (and their response delays) in order to get everything sorted out...
/sigh
Considering every other KS shipment I've received from them has had issues, that usually take weeks/months to resolve, I'm going to go with pessimism, despite what you guys want to believe. BTW, Todosi, you have no way of knowing if it's widespread (as was widely reported in their previous campaigns, and even they admitted to it) - or occasional, so you might want to refrain from making empirical statements when you clearly have no idea.
Even stuff I've bought retail from mantic have had packing errors. It's a pretty huge issue with them. That and taking weeks to respond to issues. I want them to do well, but it's pretty apparent that they are lacking in those two departments.
Making assumptions and believing what we want to (y'know, like pessimism?) is exactly what you're doing too. I didn't actually say one way or the other, however, I just said let's wait and see.
My Kings of War army was missing the Undead cavalry (this was a known issue as they ran out due to the popularity)
My Kings of war second wave was missing one bag of horses (at least, I didn't really go through anything for the armies I wasn't interested in)
My Dreadball wasn't missing anything, but one of the MVP's hands was miscast into a blob
My Deadzone first wave wasn't missing anything, but the signed print was folded back under the game box
My Deadzone second wave is missing a battlezone and a connector bundle
(I didn't back Loka, I only have a mat and single terrain set for Mars Attacks and only a book, cards and the KS exclusive figures from DBX coming. Hopefully those don't go awry!)
I'm not frustrated, because I've never needed the missing stuff that urgently, and Mantic have always managed to sort it out (except in the case of the folded print, I submitted an form but never heard anything back. I guess they'd gone through the print run). I also appreciate how difficult it must be to sort and pack many thousands of backers' shipments given the level of customisation available in the pledge manager. Maybe they should cut back on that flexibility (as much as I like being able to pick & mix single figs).
Mistakes are being made though, and their cycle of often being either preparing for, running, or dealing with the fallout of a KS project means there's often delays in sorting this stuff out (I'm glad I at least live in the same country).
I dunno about the next level, it would be made of resin and more expensive, and people would beg for it in boardgame plastic but Mantic would say no. Feelings would be hurt all around.
Hoping to get my swag, or at least an email saying it's been shipped. While everything was more or less right when it did eventually show up... I really don't want to repeat my 2 month wait from the first wave
sukura636 wrote: Making assumptions and believing what we want to (y'know, like pessimism?) is exactly what you're doing too. I didn't actually say one way or the other, however, I just said let's wait and see.
Yeah, I'm doing it based on reports starting to come in, such as the ones above as well as my own personal experience. How long would you expect people to "wait and see" for? Until it's all over?
Yeah, I'm doing it based on reports starting to come in, such as the ones above as well as my own personal experience. How long would you expect people to "wait and see" for? Until it's all over?
That's two. Out of 4,306 backers, plus how ever many mantic allowed to pledge after it ended. Given a few other have complained on here and on the main forum let's be generous and say 20, which would make 0.46%
Yes that's an assumption, but given many people come onto forums to complain and it's generally the same people here, on the official forums and on the KS comments I think we can be fairly accurate and say that while errors happen, they're very much in the minority.
I tend to stay out of bashing or supporting companies on forums, but Azazel for more than a few pages know you've been going on as if your's is the only opinion which counts. Please get some perspective.
Going to have to side with Azazelx on this one. Other than the initial DreadBall wave, I have yet to receive a wholly correct shipment from Mantic, and the resolution usually takes months (which I'll allow for being across the pond) and, to date, have all had errors of their own. I'm missing few DB prone markers still, and some of my DeadZone plague are missing a sprue of heads. I was missing half a BattleZone (correctly replaced), two Enforcer starters (that they replaced with...four or five specialist packs which is still a mistake but in my favor) and a Plague starter (correctly replaced).
However, given how lackluster the CS experience has been, I don't care enough to jump through the hoops for the minor bits I'm missing. It's not that Mantic doesn't care as my interactions with those folks when I've been able to have them have all been positive. The problem is they don't have enough people, and the people that they do have do not have the proper tools to take care of the issues as near as I can tell. I've harped on this before, and Mantic has seemingly not addressed a major shortcoming in their business.
I'm fairly forgiving, but don't forget that the people who complain are the ones who care. Those who don't, they move on to other companies without Mantic ever finding out why. If this is an area that multiple people have had issues with (and it is) then the answer isn't "wait and see if they fix it" as they have already squandered the benefit of the doubt with many people. At the end of the day, there is only one place the blame for that rests, and it's not with the backers.
Mistakes are being made though, and their cycle of often being either preparing for, running, or dealing with the fallout of a KS project means there's often delays in sorting this stuff out (I'm glad I at least live in the same country).
I somewhat feel that this is a big part of the issue. They always seem to be running a new campaign while trying to ship (waves of) previous ones, and it can't be helping.
Krinsath wrote: don't forget that the people who complain are the ones who care.
I'd agree that mostly they are, yeah, but then you also get people like the guy on the Mantic subforum right now with an obvious victim complex and the like who just want attention. I'm just saying that claiming your own situation reflects the general situation borders on egotistical. Personal does not equal statistical.
I just think some perspective and common sense should be applied, which I understand is difficult when you have a an immediate audience at the other end of a keyboard. I just don't like putting lots of people on an ignore list because they whine baselessly a lot when they could also be saying something which might be interesting at other times.
Mistakes are being made though, and their cycle of often being either preparing for, running, or dealing with the fallout of a KS project means there's often delays in sorting this stuff out (I'm glad I at least live in the same country).
I somewhat feel that this is a big part of the issue. They always seem to be running a new campaign while trying to ship (waves of) previous ones, and it can't be helping.
I think you've identified one of their bigger problems...
Krinsath wrote: don't forget that the people who complain are the ones who care.
I'd agree that mostly they are, yeah, but then you also get people like the guy on the Mantic subforum right now with an obvious victim complex and the like who just want attention. I'm just saying that claiming your own situation reflects the general situation borders on egotistical. Personal does not equal statistical.
I just think some perspective and common sense should be applied, which I understand is difficult when you have a an immediate audience at the other end of a keyboard. I just don't like putting lots of people on an ignore list because they whine baselessly a lot when they could also be saying something which might be interesting at other times.
I can agree some people just want to be martyrs, and others are just trying to weasel free stuff. However, if you know you have made a mistake and someone is complaining, that's a different kettle of fish.
On the topic of KS shipments in particular, when you have the CEO of the company in question issuing public apologies for how many problems there were with packing and accuracy on Wave 1 then I fail to see how that topic is baseless. This was a confirmed issue according to the company, not the Internet, and the early results have indicated a less-than-perfect record already. It's not "sky is falling, Mantic doesn't know how boxes work" levels, but it is certainly enough to be concerned and move going through the package with a fine-tooth come from "something to do when I have time" to "something that needs to be done quickly so I can make sure I have what I paid for."
Krinsath wrote: ...given how lackluster the CS experience has been, I don't care enough to jump through the hoops for the minor bits I'm missing. It's not that Mantic doesn't care as my interactions with those folks when I've been able to have them have all been positive. The problem is they don't have enough people, and the people that they do have do not have the proper tools to take care of the issues as near as I can tell. I've harped on this before, and Mantic has seemingly not addressed a major shortcoming in their business....
I'm fairly forgiving, but don't forget that the people who complain are the ones who care. Those who don't, they move on to other companies without Mantic ever finding out why. If this is an area that multiple people have had issues with (and it is) then the answer isn't "wait and see if they fix it" as they have already squandered the benefit of the doubt with many people. At the end of the day, there is only one place the blame for that rests, and it's not with the backers.
Just to chime in from the usually quiet and satisfied customer perspective.
I got the Strikeforce Pledge plus 5 scenery packs, and extra Marauders and Enforcers. I think the total was well over $500 counting the wave 2/3 stuff I'm waiting on now.
The missing items from my first wave were 3 extra rulebooks (they ran out), the extra enforcers (they ran out, but I got the basic box force), some Marauders (they ran out) and the connectors(they ran out).
All the missing items were accounted for on the invoice I received, marked as "to ship 2014".
I had 2 damaged models. Recon was missing the blade on his knife, And one Plague guy was bent badly at the ankle, such that it broke when I (foolishly) bent it back without heating it up.
Considering I received over 100 models and 34 sprues of scenery, and all missing items were results of stock run out, I am a happy customer. Since I ordered Forge Fathers and Peace Keepers, I expect to be waiting until wave 3 for the next box to show up. In the meantime, I have a giant box of stuff I don't have time to build right now anyway.
I had a lot of issues with 2 Dreadball waves, KoW and Deadzone wave 1, by lots I mean double digit issue list for each game system.
On top of that it took me over 7 hours to sort through all the stuff because having been pretty completionist I had a fethton of unlabelled grey plastic that I had to work out WTH it was and how many of what I should have. To add insult to injury, Royal Fail then lost the Dreadball parcel and they had to send a second one (which they did but with normal DB bases instead of my missing giant DB bases).
Just to round things off nicely I made a separate order of 1 sprue and 2 books from them which arrived jammed into a padded envelope. Fortunately the sprue survived the journey, but the corners of the books were all bent up from being jammed in, so I had to get those replaced too.
Yeah, I'm doing it based on reports starting to come in, such as the ones above as well as my own personal experience. How long would you expect people to "wait and see" for? Until it's all over?
That's two. Out of 4,306 backers, plus how ever many mantic allowed to pledge after it ended. Given a few other have complained on here and on the main forum let's be generous and say 20, which would make 0.46%
Yes that's an assumption, but given many people come onto forums to complain and it's generally the same people here, on the official forums and on the KS comments I think we can be fairly accurate and say that while errors happen, they're very much in the minority.
I tend to stay out of bashing or supporting companies on forums, but Azazel for more than a few pages know you've been going on as if your's is the only opinion which counts. Please get some perspective.
They have a history of fething up orders, including almost every package they've ever sent me. Ronnie has come out and publicly apologised for their endless errors, and they've said that they'll try and do better in the future. I have no interest in tracking down how many individual people complain, since I'm sure they don't all post on forums the way some of us do. Now, given their history, their admittance of it being a continuing issue, and the fact that reports are coming out with more mistakes, I think my own opinion and perspective is pretty good. I see no actual benefit in people telling me to shut up and "wait and see". If I want to be cynical I'll fething well be cynical. You can be as hopeful and positive as you like, as long as you don't try and tell me that I can't be cynical.
And more than a few pages? Really? You mean the previous two posts where I said such harsh things as this?:
Azazelx wrote: Good to see that Mantic's packing QA is as good as ever. Perhaps I won't be closing the book on this KS in Sept-Oct, but Nov-Dec as I work with them (and their response delays) in order to get everything sorted out...
/sigh
Yeah, perhaps is such a strong and negative word. Such a harsh and negative post.
I've been going on as though mine is the only opinion that counts? For more than a few pages? Really? Press the "filter thread" button on my profile to see just how full of gak that statement of yours is. - note to mods - if someone talks clear bs about what I've said, I'll call it out.
Really though, feel free to chuck me on ignore then since I disagree with you. I don't really care. I put morons on ignore all the time.
Baragash wrote:I had a fethton of unlabelled grey plastic that I had to work out WTH it was and how many of what I should have.
I will say that they seem to be better at this. The 'mission control' page, with links to pdfs showing you what goes where helps, and my Deadzone wave 2 stuff is now coming with the little bags organised into larger bags, with labels stuck to them showing what the contents should be. Took me very little time to sort through, this time around.
And I'd like to try and reinforce what I said earlier - I accept that that problems happen, and I'm not put off buying Mantic stuff (I'm only going in small on their KS these days because I'm on a mission to paint all my stuff, and don't want boxes of hundreds of figures turning up anymore).
sukura636 wrote: Making assumptions and believing what we want to (y'know, like pessimism?) is exactly what you're doing too. I didn't actually say one way or the other, however, I just said let's wait and see.
I'm neither making assumptions or believing what I want. It has happened to me MULTIPLE times now. To me personally, not some guy on the internet. Though there are TONS of examples of that if you simply take the time to browse these forums, not to mention their own. Its one thing to take up for them (I do like Mantic and buy their products) its another thing to bury your head in the sand and ignore a glaring problem. That doesn't help anyone... especially Mantic, who needs to step up their game in those areas.
I'm a big supporter of mantic but must admit they cocked up my deadzone box with broken figures and a couple of missing bags
I'm hopping from what we've heard from people receiving their wave two stuff that its better packed and labelled. The qc on casts could definitely do with improving, however I still back them and go in for each ks. The volume of stuff I get tends to outweigh the problems I experience personally, although I've definitely not had it anyway near as bad as some people on here.
Should I *ever* receive my goods, I hand-on-heart promise to deliver a faithful and honest unboxing. Now, grain of salt, I'm pretty mellow/laid-back/forgiving personally, however I won't alter any images etc.
I ended up with an incorrect wave two order, missing one figure (Rebs commander). Additionally the books had bent up corners because the entire slipcase was banged up.
I wanted to back the dungeon crawler KS, but Mantic has never sent me a 100% correct order so I passed.
Riquende wrote: So just need to get my missing battlezone and connectors sorted... is it still the google docs form for that?
Further to this, got an email today that my form has been reviewed, an apology that the wave 2 shipping is interfering with their normal operations, and an estimate that my stuff will be sent by Monday 8th.
I'll be impressed with that sort of turnaround during a KS shipping period.
Going slightly off topic, but my experience of Mantic mirrors that of others though from a non KS basis - 3 we birders all with issues, 2 never resolved as any and all emails go unanswered.
Backed the Mars Attacks KS and communication is terrible, they showed parts of it set the Open day back in May that are still text to be shown to backers, sold it at Gencon yet shipping to KS backers late as there is a customs issue..... Which somehow didn't effect the gen con ones? Then many of the con ones were missing helmets and the QC on some sets seems poor. Time will tell but they need to invest in decent packaging process not cud toner service, get it right first time!
I just wanna see some pics of Asterians while I await mine :(
Join the Deadzone facebook group (if you have facebook). I think its called Deadzone fanatics. There are a few pictures on there of guys working on the new Asterians. Some decent paintjobs too!
Before I email Mantic, I just wanted to post this here for those who have also received their second wave orders. Mine just came in today, and I was happy to see I got everything I was expecting. My only question is this: I know the Enforcers are going to be hard plastic and coming in the final shipment, but I got two Defender Enforcers in restic with this shipment. I had pledged for them as individual add ons but I also know they are part of the Booster pack, which I ordered as well. The packing slip has a check mark next to the Booster pack, so I am slightly confused. Is the Booster pack in its entirety (sergeant, medic, defenders, ect.) being done in hard plastic to be released with the rest of the Enforcer line? If so, then I guess nothing was missing from my shipment. If not, then I should contact Mantic. Any help would be appreciated!
The defender shields were mailed to you along with all the medic parts. The bodies for the defenders are supposed to be plastic. So you have shields without bodies until October. I was questioning the same thing, had it explained on here.
For what it's worth, my DZ stuff was fine.. (actually think I got an extra Enforcer special character, if anyone was missing their's!)
Some bad mould lines on a couple of the minis, although they are substantially better than some of the horrors I experienced with the plastic goblins and Dreadball team.
Any news yet on the Mars Attack posting? Has it begun yet (thought it was meant to be first week of September?)
Are folks getting some notification their Wave 2 stuff has shipped out? Or can I expect to be happily surprised one day soon when a big box of stuff gets delivered to my house?
I got no notification, it just arrived in the post one day. That said my order was the free zombie sprue, wave 2 cards and missing wave 1 dice so it was probably not worth sending an email over.
timetowaste85 wrote: The defender shields were mailed to you along with all the medic parts. The bodies for the defenders are supposed to be plastic. So you have shields without bodies until October. I was questioning the same thing, had it explained on here.
Thanks! I seem to have all the correct parts. I got the parts to make two medics (I think I only actually purchased one, the one that was supposed to come with the Booster pack I ordered, so guess I got an extra). And I got the four shotguns and four shields for the Defenders (the two I bought individually and the two from the Booster pack). Now I just wait for the hard plastics to make the Defenders... *sigh* The waiting is the hardest part.
So I pre-ordered the Hammerstrike Dropforce off Mantic's website a few weeks ago, which is the Forge Father's set they put up on their site. Just got my shipping notification. Has anyone else had their Deadzone Forge Father stuff ship? I was under the impression I wouldn't be getting it for at least another month.
squall018 wrote: So I pre-ordered the Hammerstrike Dropforce off Mantic's website a few weeks ago, which is the Forge Father's set they put up on their site. Just got my shipping notification. Has anyone else had their Deadzone Forge Father stuff ship? I was under the impression I wouldn't be getting it for at least another month.
Mind you, I'm NOT complaining, just curious.
Maybe they are shipping it without the Forge Guard? As far as I am aware (in as much as we have not had a KS update about it) the Forge Guard sprues have not even been finalised and moulded yet.
I'm not sure why it would be 21 lbs... here's my list of what remaining stuff I'm expecting along with my personal notes. I guess this could be 21 lbs?
REMAINING SURVEY ONE
Enforcer Sergeant Howlett - $8: 1
Hard Plastic Enforcers in Peacekeeper Armour x 5 - $10: 1
* Enforcers with Heavy Rifles x 3 - $10: 2 (to be replaced by two sprues per Stewart G)
Plague Zombies x 20 - $15: 1
!!!! Enforcers Faction Booster Bundle - $50: 2 ..... plastic Enforcer sprues to replace Enforcers and Booster Bundle ordered !!!!!
16 battlezones is a feth-load of terrain hahaha, yeah she'll be large and heavy... and glorious!
I can confirm 3 strike teams plus lots of battlezeons was both big and heavy ; p In wave 2 I have ruins, 1xAsterian, 2xFF, 1 BOGOF for each, 2xpeacekeeper armour and enforecer plastics, 4xzombies, and probably some random stuff. No where near the size of the previous one for me but no doubt still a large box. Oh the hardback will way a fair amount too.. looking forward to that baby.
*rubs hands in glee*
I even finally put some paint on some deadzone models the last couple days!
I'mm thinking about my wave three box, seven peacekeeper sprues four enforcer sprues and a forge father sprue should be enough plastic goodness to see me through xmas.
edlowe wrote: I'mm thinking about my wave three box, seven peacekeeper sprues four enforcer sprues and a forge father sprue should be enough plastic goodness to see me through xmas.
Just wish I could add some more :(
Yeah I'm regretting only 2 sets of peacekeepers. imo Dreamforge Valkir are superior in all respects for a similar "heavy infantry" role, but hard to argue with the peacekeeper KS price. But then, I want to add more Valkir to my DFG pledge too -_-
GrimDork wrote: Wave 3 in Octoberish, along with the peacekeepers and forge guard, all of the hard plastic that isn't battle zones or zombies, basically.
Sad, but true.
I may ring Mantic and see if they'll let me add on the enforcer sprues and pay by paypal, worth trying at least.
GrimDork wrote: Wave 3 in Octoberish, along with the peacekeepers and forge guard, all of the hard plastic that isn't battle zones or zombies, basically.
As we slip into the second week of September with no new information or communication from Mantic, I'm starting to wonder if we won't be getting the Peacekeepers and/or Forge Fathers shipping with the rest of Wave 2 after all ...in October. And now what happens with Mars Attacks shipping?
Yeah, shipping what has now become 2 waves of one KS on either side of a separate KS in the middle of Con season while running a third KS seems like a pretty sensible and competent way to do business.
hm - just checked the MAKS comments. People there are speculating October delivery at this point. That should mesh well with the Peacekeepers and Forge fathers...
Did anyone post the KS update about Mars Attack yet? Got some info on the release
Mars Attacks – The Miniatures Game is now in the building!
This is great news. Once the remaining items land from the manufacturer – items like the Novas Vira, Science Division etc, we can begin the task of picking, packing and getting your orders ready for shipping. This will take approximately 14 days whilst we bag everything up to simplify the picking line.
Remember, we’re going to have 10 days of updates to form a countdown before the first copy gets shipped. However, if you can’t wait that long, just check out these videos here…
Mars Attacks: Interview and first look with Ronnie Renton
Azazelx wrote: hm - just checked the MAKS comments. People there are speculating October delivery at this point. That should mesh well with the Peacekeepers and Forge fathers...
If I end up getting some extra Enforcer sprues in my terrain-only Mars Attacks shipment, then it'll get a thumbs up from me, too.
Buddy got his MA stuff recently and brought it to the FLGS for a run through. We played two games, both with me playing as Martians.
The models are very well done with minimal flash and mold lines. Compared to Deadzone, these minis are miles ahead.
It plays similar to Deadzone but is unique enough to be its own game. That said, being a DZ player, I don't know if I'd own both games. I'd probably sell my DZ to play this or just keep DZ.
MA feels complete with high production values and minimal need for expansions. It also feels more balanced (I know only 2 plays) compared to DZ. I think playtesting done for DZ helped in the development of this game.
@p4h, interesting thoughts. I intend to keep one for simple stuff and one for more complex stuff, but maybe i'll come around to your way of thinking that you don't need both. I guess I'll see.
privateer4hire wrote: Buddy got his MA stuff recently and brought it to the FLGS for a run through. We played two games, both with me playing as Martians.
The models are very well done with minimal flash and mold lines. Compared to Deadzone, these minis are miles ahead.
It plays similar to Deadzone but is unique enough to be its own game. That said, being a DZ player, I don't know if I'd own both games. I'd probably sell my DZ to play this or just keep DZ.
MA feels complete with high production values and minimal need for expansions. It also feels more balanced (I know only 2 plays) compared to DZ. I think playtesting done for DZ helped in the development of this game.
I've said it before, but the marines in MA make me really excited to see what mantic can do with the corp troopers when they re release Warpath.
I'm looking forward to seeing them in hard plastic. I like the restic dudes but a little more variability in pose (and easier cutting to swap weapons, or not even having to do that maybe?) would be welcome.
Ronnie dropped by the Containment Protocol facebook group this morning and left this message in a discussion:
hi guys we are getting through about 200 orders per day (more if they are small, less if they are big - and some a VERY big) so we still have about 6 days more of orders - about 1000 left . I also have a pile of thank you notes to sign! We are getting through them but 5000 orders is taking a while! Thanks for your patience.
If you take a work day to be ten hours, that's one order completed every 3 minutes. Even if you consider that overtime will almost certainly be included, that's impressive.
.Mikes. wrote: What's the difference between that one and the original? They look the same to me.
Same model, but cast in resin I believe. The key question is whether she still has a giant mold line running down one side of her face like the restic version does.
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MasterSlowPoke wrote: Did they send out fedex notices to US backers or are we getting them blind?
Mine was sent Royal Mail, so blind. I didn't get a shipping notification either, it just showed up one day.
Two boxes just showed up for me, no notice prior so it was a pleasant surprise.
HOWEVER-
Did the Forge Father starter Brokkrs ship?
I got the dudes in the booster- biker, demo guy, boss man, but no other FFs- obviously I'm aware the sprues are later, but wasn't sure if the other Brokkrs were shipping or not.
I was really looking forward to the mining laser. I guess I'll keep looking forward to it!
Also got Bjorn, and he's one chunky little guy! I want more FF drop troopers now!
.Mikes. wrote: Ronnie dropped by the Containment Protocol facebook group this morning and left this message in a discussion:
If you take a work day to be ten hours, that's one order completed every 3 minutes. Even if you consider that overtime will almost certainly be included, that's impressive.
If the order is correctly picked, yes. It took them four goes to get the correct arm for a model in my first shipment.
.Mikes. wrote: What's the difference between that one and the original? They look the same to me.
Not quite the same. It is the same sculpt, but reposed. Same as the 1st Gen resin.
I expect this will be the pattern going forwards for Mantic's resin-only Kickstarter characters. (Unless, like Keldan in Dungeon Saga, they have no other standard plastic versions.)
I'm going to be very surprised if the Dungeon Saga Legendary resin characters are entirely original sculpts. I'm betting they'll be the same sculpts, reposed, with some doo-dads and bling added here, a weapon hand changed there, etc.
Well, then you get into Theseus' paradox! If you take a basic dollie, change the pose and clothes and the items (all of the concept art for the legendaries has rather a lot of trinkets), at which point does it become a truly different model?
Of course, if the original is a 3D model (like in Mars Attacks, with alternate General Tors) reposing is quite easy!
Really want to see the Plague resin though - it's such a good model, and so limited in numbers, that I wouldn't be surprised if this was the first Mantic exclusive that could be sold on for a substantial amount.
MasterSlowPoke wrote: Did they send out fedex notices to US backers or are we getting them blind?
I got a Fedex International Priority ship notification Friday, arrived in the USA Monday, picked it up at the Fedex place a few blocks from my house on Tuesday.
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.Mikes. wrote: Ronnie dropped by the Containment Protocol facebook group this morning and left this message in a discussion:
hi guys we are getting through about 200 orders per day (more if they are small, less if they are big - and some a VERY big) so we still have about 6 days more of orders - about 1000 left . I also have a pile of thank you notes to sign! We are getting through them but 5000 orders is taking a while! Thanks for your patience.
If you take a work day to be ten hours, that's one order completed every 3 minutes. Even if you consider that overtime will almost certainly be included, that's impressive.
Some nice effort there from Mantic. Robotech hasn't shipped 200 orders (the two basic pledges they said they'd start with) in two weeks.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Question for the Hardback Deadzone compendium, resin Plague dude and resin Reb commander - what were the requirements to get those? Paid add-ons or freebies for something?
Models were freebies, limit one per order, if you pledged over a certain amount before the end of the Kickstarter - $400 for the Reb commander, $500 for the Plague and the Reb commander. Money added later in the pledge manager did NOT count!
The Hardback was a freebie for over $800 as above, or an add-on for...$30 if I recall? Freely available during the pledge manager, but won't be available outside of the Kickstarter.
Speaking of which, anyone know if they will open a third survey for the third wave? After seeing the quality of the models that have just arrived I would like to get some more.
For those Deadzoners in the UK. Especially if you ordered lots of things like me.
"This message was sent to you at the request of MANTIC GAMES to notify you that the electronic shipment information below has been transmitted to UPS. "
So, it's UPS that are delivering mine, hopefully tomorrow. UPS is a good choice, as, locally at least, they've started doing "oh, you're not in, I'll hand it over to the shop owner down the road for you and you can pick it up there."
Compel wrote: UPS is a good choice, as, locally at least, they've started doing "oh, you're not in, I'll hand it over to the shop owner down the road for you and you can pick it up there."
That sounds completely insane to me. Is it a British thing for people to just trust their neighbors with each others' mail?
I have someone with the same last name living in my apartment building and it's always a stressful time when we have a new postman because if he hands my mail to the other guy that ****er will keep it or trash it (if it's a bill).
I haven't seen any posted pictures of the hardback book, so I thought I'd take some.
Spoiler:
A nice black leather effect cover (with no text on the spine... useful)
Rather than signing the book itself, Jake and Ronnie have signed a numbered slip in the front cover. I feel so appreciated! (Although... did Jake write Rick or Rich?)
The contents... as you can see, it's literally several books one after the other. I would have preferred something more integrated, with all rules of the same type in the same place, but I guess time constraints limited what they could do (especially as this was free for most people getting it... I paid)
Some rules. I haven't checked to see if any erratas have been written in (I suspect not)
Some pages of fluff (I haven't really been able to read through it yet)
It's a pretty nice product, I probably wouldn't have sprung for it if not for 'Kickstarter fever', but I don't regret getting it.
I have someone with the same last name living in my apartment building and it's always a stressful time when we have a new postman because if he hands my mail to the other guy that ****er will keep it or trash it (if it's a bill).
Shop-owner, not neighbour It's an agreement that some companies (such as UPS) have with local stores.
Compel wrote: UPS is a good choice, as, locally at least, they've started doing "oh, you're not in, I'll hand it over to the shop owner down the road for you and you can pick it up there."
That sounds completely insane to me. Is it a British thing for people to just trust their neighbors with each others' mail?
I have someone with the same last name living in my apartment building and it's always a stressful time when we have a new postman because if he hands my mail to the other guy that ****er will keep it or trash it (if it's a bill).
Had a few parcels left with my neighbours, everytime they've popped round with it later that day when they know im in. I return the favour as often as I can, but then again I live in a smallish village.
Hope my parcels turn up soon tho, its very annoying seeing stuff on ebay before the ks has fully delivered :(
Compel wrote: UPS is a good choice, as, locally at least, they've started doing "oh, you're not in, I'll hand it over to the shop owner down the road for you and you can pick it up there."
That sounds completely insane to me. Is it a British thing for people to just trust their neighbors with each others' mail?
I have someone with the same last name living in my apartment building and it's always a stressful time when we have a new postman because if he hands my mail to the other guy that ****er will keep it or trash it (if it's a bill).
Had a few parcels left with my neighbours, everytime they've popped round with it later that day when they know im in. I return the favour as often as I can, but then again I live in a smallish village.
Hope my parcels turn up soon tho, its very annoying seeing stuff on ebay before the ks has fully delivered :(
It's even more annoying seeing people who preordered get their stuff before the ks has fully delivered.
Bolognesus wrote: initial pledge plus first survey is what I heard. Same here, spent most on second survey :(
It was originally initial pledge only during the campaign, then I think at some point later on they might have expanded that to include the first survey, but I'm not 100% certain
Bolognesus wrote: initial pledge plus first survey is what I heard. Same here, spent most on second survey :(
It was originally initial pledge only during the campaign, then I think at some point later on they might have expanded that to include the first survey, but I'm not 100% certain
It expanded to second as well:
Eben Lowy
Jan 14, 2014
Heya, another question.
Is the upgrade to Deadzone Veteran at $300 (with free hardback compendium) only for the original kickstarter pledge or does that include second survey? I didn't go over 300 on the original, but I think I will on second survey.
Thanks!
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Jan 20, 2014
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Hi Eben,
Thanks for getting in touch.
The hardback compendium is actually free at $750, the softback version is free at $300 and we will include second survey results when making this calculation.
^ Read that again. $300 for free softback compendium, second survey credit included.
The free resins and hardback have *always* been original KS money only, and this has been the case ever since the KS ended.
If anyone was expecting free resins or hardback from survey spends, you're not going to be getting them, this was something that was clearly communicated during the KS and I spent $40 to buy the hardback because I knew I wouldn't qualify with survey cash.
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I'm finding cutting this (like with restic) is better for me, especially on the narrow/thin parts, but on thicker and solid bits you can scrape a lot like hard plastic. Big critters made out of this are liable to be pretty solid and easy to scrape. Did we talk about some other intermediate tool at some point that was maybe going to work well for scraping but wasn't a knife?
