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Always getting melta, fusion and thermal mixed up.
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Post by: Crablezworth
So based on defense of ryza, it seems like knight magaera and atrapos boxes will be coming at some point. I guess the atrapos will be the first to make use of the vortex rule.
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good, I cant wait for the Atropos, best looking cerastus chassis variant. Itll be interesting how they incorporate it and the Magera into the game.
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Post by: schoon
For a game about Titans, it's been remarkably heavy on Knight releases for the last year.
Hoping the coming year will remedy that in the form of a new Titan class.
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Post by: Malika2
 schoon wrote:For a game about Titans, it's been remarkably heavy on Knight releases for the last year.
Hoping the coming year will remedy that in the form of a new Titan class.
And some more exotic Titan weaponry, Corvus Assault Pods and so on!
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schoon wrote:For a game about Titans, it's been remarkably heavy on Knight releases for the last year.
Hoping the coming year will remedy that in the form of a new Titan class.
While I like the AT models, I think a lot of this is simplicity.
They have the 3D renders for knights already, so adding new ones isn’t a huge process and the main design is done already.
Designing a new titan from the ground up requires far more work.
This isn’t a defence for them as the releases are painfully slow, but it’s just the reasoning that I think may cause it.
I’d honestly expect to see armigers and hells shortly too.
They are missing an easy one though.
They have an entire history of epic to draw from in terms of options and weapons.
They can also branch into chaos if they are keeping with old titanicus but want to stay with the current titans they have.
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Post by: SamusDrake
schoon wrote:For a game about Titans, it's been remarkably heavy on Knight releases for the last year.
Hoping the coming year will remedy that in the form of a new Titan class.
It was catch up after a very long and frustrating delay, and we might not see those new knights for a long while. I'd say we might see one of them this side of christmas at best.
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Post by: Crablezworth
schoon wrote:For a game about Titans, it's been remarkably heavy on Knight releases for the last year.
Hoping the coming year will remedy that in the form of a new Titan class.
I'm surprised to see so little on the forge world side of things. I understand it's tough to conjure up titans out of nowhere but they could have been doing armour kits and bits for legios. One big thing missing is banners, be great surface area for transfers or free hand. Automatically Appended Next Post:  Malika2 wrote: schoon wrote:For a game about Titans, it's been remarkably heavy on Knight releases for the last year.
Hoping the coming year will remedy that in the form of a new Titan class.
And some more exotic Titan weaponry, Corvus Assault Pods and so on!
There's a lucius pattern warlord file set with optional corvus arm on a few sites. Very high detail, could use it as powerfist for the time being I guess.
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Post by: gorgon
 Crablezworth wrote: schoon wrote:For a game about Titans, it's been remarkably heavy on Knight releases for the last year.
Hoping the coming year will remedy that in the form of a new Titan class.
I'm surprised to see so little on the forge world side of things. I understand it's tough to conjure up titans out of nowhere but they could have been doing armour kits and bits for legios. One big thing missing is banners, be great surface area for transfers or free hand.
Yeah, I fully expected to see a lot of this kind of thing from FW for AT. However, when you look at the contraction of the upgrade part in HH...maybe that's a business they don't love anymore.
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Post by: Sherrypie
Got the book, read the book, pretty nice. All legios are interesting but not overtly powerful, knights got a nice bone in various standards they can use to trick around with and the custom legio rules seem to be made with more sense this time (Auxiliary Shields, Elite Magos, Multiple Warheads etc. have been tuned to be less borked and freely selectable existing traits and wargear options from established legios is no longer there). Allegiance rules make sense and don't really affect the power balance in any way while added stratagems aren't must-have-powerhouses. But finally, you can select the direction to Fall over in for the cheap price of 1 stratagem point, huzah!
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Any mention of Knight or Titan types/classes that don't have models yet?
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Malika2 wrote:Any mention of Knight or Titan types/classes that don't have models yet?
Colour plates of various Mechanicus knights as well as the four allegiances for households being imperial / traitor / mechanicum / blackshields, but nothing concrete on that front.
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Post by: Mr_Rose
The Custom Legio rules are great; significantly expanded and smoothed out, I’m still in analysis paralysis mode, mostly because I want to take all the missile options and drown the enemy in explosive death but you’re only allowed two wargear traits. Two or three shot vortex missiles are looking fancy though, as is the “I can’t believe it’s not a Barrage Missile Launcher” Apoc ML upgrade.
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Post by: Malika2
 Sherrypie wrote: Malika2 wrote:Any mention of Knight or Titan types/classes that don't have models yet?
Colour plates of various Mechanicus knights as well as the four allegiances for households being imperial / traitor / mechanicum / blackshields, but nothing concrete on that front.
Are the Mechanicum designs mentioned/shown?
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Models aren't, but familiar pictures of things like Magaeras and Atropos are shown in the colour plates.
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Sherrypie wrote:Models aren't, but familiar pictures of things like Magaeras and Atropos are shown in the colour plates.
And are Titan classes such as the Rapier mentioned?
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Post by: SamusDrake
Well, well, well! What do we have here?
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/08/04/white-dwarf-preview-issue-455/
...the first battle report since...August 2018? 
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Post by: zedmeister
Fair enough. Still won't get me to buy it though
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Post by: Racerguy180
there is no amount of "cool" stuff that would get me to buy a White Dwarf.
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Post by: Togusa
Racerguy180 wrote:
there is no amount of "cool" stuff that would get me to buy a White Dwarf.
How come? I started getting them about three months ago and I love it! Lots of really cool stuff in there, tips, tricks and modeling/painting tips too!
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Post by: Mr_Rose
In case anyone was wondering/uncertain, the Stratagem cards set for the new book does include all the custom Legio strats as well as the new generally available ones.
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Nice, photos they preview look amazing Automatically Appended Next Post:  Mr_Rose wrote:In case anyone was wondering/uncertain, the Stratagem cards set for the new book does include all the custom Legio strats as well as the new generally available ones.
Sweet, definitely gonna get a set
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Togusa wrote:Racerguy180 wrote:
there is no amount of "cool" stuff that would get me to buy a White Dwarf.
How come? I started getting them about three months ago and I love it! Lots of really cool stuff in there, tips, tricks and modeling/painting tips too!
Dont need gaming tips, tricks & modeling stuff, so if you take that out it's just an overpriced advertisement. The pics are cool but not worth the price of admission.
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Post by: Crablezworth
What is truly missing from the AT books is photography of actual models. Even with ryza, gaming content is great but the art is lacking, the monochrome blue everything is only broken up by a few really nice art pieces. It'd just be nice to see some more photos of games/boards/titans. The game already suffers a bit in that it's a little too historical for its own good and the matched play is meh, I feel like it'd be easier to draw players in if it was a little more visual. You see so much creativity in terms of modelling and paintjobs and conversions of knights and titans online and very little in the books. Overall though it's a great book in terms of gaming content.
I sorta wish the card deck literally had everything you needed to plonk down a custom legio then and there. It would work to provided they printed enough cards for all options. Basically you select a combination of traits, stratagems and wargear to form ur custom legio. 4 total, can't have more than two from any section and can't take duplicates unless the strategem specifically allows it. But basically had they printed them all it'd be nice and quick. Anyway, really cool system for custom legios alone makes it worth picking up imo, can't wait to give it a try soon.
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Post by: gorgon
Sherrypie wrote:Got the book, read the book, pretty nice. All legios are interesting but not overtly powerful, knights got a nice bone in various standards they can use to trick around with and the custom legio rules seem to be made with more sense this time (Auxiliary Shields, Elite Magos, Multiple Warheads etc. have been tuned to be less borked and freely selectable existing traits and wargear options from established legios is no longer there). Allegiance rules make sense and don't really affect the power balance in any way while added stratagems aren't must-have-powerhouses. But finally, you can select the direction to Fall over in for the cheap price of 1 stratagem point, huzah!
Yeah, I think the book seems full of solid stuff. I mean, I'm not wowed by anything in it. But it seems pretty well-balanced (at first blush), so that's a real positive.
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While I get that the lack of more overt art can be a bit meh in comparison with GW's normal house style of filling everything with it, I really like the fact that these Titanicus books are mostly chock full of gaming materials because I end up lugging most of them around for actual gaming. I would buy a lore / art heavy black book styled tome, too, but this is nice.
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Post by: SamusDrake
Doom of Molech was disappointing in that respect; Knights battling destructive mega-beasts in dangerous environments, but no Power Loader vs Alien Queen style art to fuel that fantasy.
I don't think anyone wants these books weighed down in art and fluff, but the odd piece of art work can make the book feel that little bit more special.
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Post by: Crablezworth
Sherrypie wrote:While I get that the lack of more overt art can be a bit meh in comparison with GW's normal house style of filling everything with it, I really like the fact that these Titanicus books are mostly chock full of gaming materials because I end up lugging most of them around for actual gaming. I would buy a lore / art heavy black book styled tome, too, but this is nice.
Totally fair point, I just wish they'd, for example, choose one of the scenarios each book show a batrep of, right down to pretty pics of each side's forces. Dedicate a good chunk to it and use it to refference new stuff, like for ryza they could do a very forge world looking board and highlight some of the new optional terrain rules. Its great to read about the terrrain on ryza but I wanna see it too. I wanna be inspired by the cool things they do with the AT terrain. If not a batrep at least a hobby section with some world building stuff. Also, not a new complaint but as nice as the paint swatches are, I really wanna see actual models with amazing paintjobs. Like back in the day, if I showed my friends a page from a space marine codex with all the different chapter paintjobs its something that'd pull them in. The at equiv is me describing what all these god machines looks like and it just does the game no justice. I'd love to see fw commission the guy they had doing a lot of their necormunda character paintjobs to do some legios for them.
Did a quick initial look at the custom legio rules if anyone's interested. https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/60/787202.page
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Post by: SamusDrake
Maybe they should do a "art of titanicus" book at some point. 
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Or a Legio Titanicus book that consolidates all the legio sections s from the HH black books and the fluff AT books with some new art and color plates.
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Sounds even better!
GEE-DUBS! ORDER TO GO!!! 
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Post by: Crablezworth
Nice to see some artwork of the more esoteric stuff like the internals and cockpit of titans, titans being re-paired or having weapons re-configured. Princeps and moderati of different legios, especially on the more corrupted and heretical side. Maybe some more artwork for titans of legend.
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Post by: Chopstick
That'd require effort. They couldn't even make a proper imperial armour with blueprint and technical information of vehicles like the old days. Nowaday it just rule and some flavor text.
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Post by: Malika2
Maybe just recycle the old artwork then?
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Post by: Crablezworth
Chopstick wrote:That'd require effort. They couldn't even make a proper imperial armour with blueprint and technical information of vehicles like the old days. Nowaday it just rule and some flavor text.
It's a shame, the highlight for fw books was always not just the detailed retelling of campaigns but also cool composite art and maps. Automatically Appended Next Post:
Ya that's where I'm at, at least recycle the cooler stuff. I'm finding so many images on google image search that I've never seen in gw publication.
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Post by: gorgon
Crablezworth wrote:Chopstick wrote:That'd require effort. They couldn't even make a proper imperial armour with blueprint and technical information of vehicles like the old days. Nowaday it just rule and some flavor text.
It's a shame, the highlight for fw books was always not just the detailed retelling of campaigns but also cool composite art and maps.
I dunno. To me, the black books were never really sustainable where the AT books definitely are.
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Post by: Yodhrin
 gorgon wrote: Crablezworth wrote:Chopstick wrote:That'd require effort. They couldn't even make a proper imperial armour with blueprint and technical information of vehicles like the old days. Nowaday it just rule and some flavor text.
It's a shame, the highlight for fw books was always not just the detailed retelling of campaigns but also cool composite art and maps.
I dunno. To me, the black books were never really sustainable where the AT books definitely are.
They sustained the Imperial Armour books just fine. And the AT books are a fraction of the size of the black books, chucking in a dozen extra pages with some plates, cutaways, and artworks isn't going to suddenly make them unsustainable. Marginally less profitable for GW if they wanted to continue releasing them on the same timescale, maybe, but you'll forgive me if I don't weep over the idea they'd only make 90% of loadsamoney instead of 100% if the result is we get a better product.
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Post by: MarkNorfolk
Just to provide a counter view - The AT books are perfectly formed. nicely priced, look attractive (I'm not bothered like some about different looking spines) and there is plenty of colour artwork of titans. They've got this one right.
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Post by: Yodhrin
MarkNorfolk wrote:Just to provide a counter view - The AT books are perfectly formed. nicely priced, look attractive (I'm not bothered like some about different looking spines) and there is plenty of colour artwork of titans. They've got this one right.
I'm honestly baffled by the idea someone wouldn't want a good thing to get even better.
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Post by: ImAGeek
 Yodhrin wrote:MarkNorfolk wrote:Just to provide a counter view - The AT books are perfectly formed. nicely priced, look attractive (I'm not bothered like some about different looking spines) and there is plenty of colour artwork of titans. They've got this one right.
I'm honestly baffled by the idea someone wouldn't want a good thing to get even better.
Well, it depends on your idea of better, surely?
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Post by: Crablezworth
I think there was a point where on the 40k side codex's focused too much on showing "the product" and felt too heavy on photography and too light on art. This seems to be too reliant on colour swatches of titans and knights. There's literally only 4 pictures of models in ryza, they're on a single page at the end and it feels like they forgot to take them out because the opposing page is blank. At the minimum I'd like to at least see some more photos of actual painted knights and titans, bonus if it's a shot of an actual game.
I'll put it another way, there's this cool section of the ryza book on new terrain rules to represent a forge world. Not a single picture of cool terrain the team whipped up using existing kits, that just seems like no one's even playing it at GW. It's a shame. The recent white dwarf the previewed having an AT ryza battle report was welcome news, it's like "oh there are GW staff that actually play this game, sweet".
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
They clearly relied too much on Duncan's massive titan collection
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Post by: ImAGeek
I’d rather see the colour plates of the titans, honestly. I can see painted titans all I like online. Edit: obviously I’d be okay with both, but if I had to choose.
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Yeah I'd love to see them commission some more legios. It feels like they're out there play testin with 2d prints of paint swatches
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Post by: SamusDrake
Crablezworth wrote:
I'll put it another way, there's this cool section of the ryza book on new terrain rules to represent a forge world. Not a single picture of cool terrain the team whipped up using existing kits, that just seems like no one's even playing it at GW. It's a shame. The recent white dwarf the previewed having an AT ryza battle report was welcome news, it's like "oh there are GW staff that actually play this game, sweet".
Given the limited scenery and lack of coverage for the game, a few articles on building AT scenery - from scratch and incorporating kits - is something they could have done in White Dwarf. At the very least it would have encouraged the artists amongst us to add some knights or titans to create dioramas - SALES!!!
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Post by: TheSecretSquig
May be a bit late with this one. I've finally got round to bulding my Warbringer. I'm convinced we'll see the Volcano Canno variant soon. After putting this together, I've noticed there are pipe connections that are not used (see below) and pipes on the sprue which should fit here in the holes, but they wouldn't fit onto the head. So I'm convinced we'll see a variant which will use these connections for a different head. Also noted is all the weapons are on a single sprue, making a swap out like the Reaver and Warlord pretty easy to do.
Also noted the arms are not compatible wiht the Reaver arms due to the cable connections. Everything's magnatised, just in case they release the weapons sprue for the variant like the Warlord and Reaver.
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Yeah I assembled mine with the arms and cables glued and I'm regretting it. Gonna have to snap the connection real careful. So the other version is different weapon set and head entirely, which is good cuz I'm no fan of the original head. I changed mine to a warlord head and I feel it looks way better for it. I really hope the aa part of the ardax gets a stratagem or wargear upgrade in the future to be able to counter strafing run. I wonder if the AA turrets will be different too on the next version.
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Post by: Tavis75
 TheSecretSquig wrote:May be a bit late with this one. I've finally got round to bulding my Warbringer. I'm convinced we'll see the Volcano Canno variant soon. After putting this together, I've noticed there are pipe connections that are not used (see below) and pipes on the sprue which should fit here in the holes, but they wouldn't fit onto the head. So I'm convinced we'll see a variant which will use these connections for a different head. Also noted is all the weapons are on a single sprue, making a swap out like the Reaver and Warlord pretty easy to do.
Also noted the arms are not compatible wiht the Reaver arms due to the cable connections. Everything's magnatised, just in case they release the weapons sprue for the variant like the Warlord and Reaver.
Those pipes are apparently replacements for the pipes between the crotch and legs if you choose to position the legs differently to the default pose (though it doesn't tell you that in the instructions), I also initially thought they might be for the head as the full size version has pipes there, but apparently not.
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Post by: zedmeister
Looks like the Ursus claw and shock lance is up for pre order on Friday. From the preview vid on WC:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/08/23/sunday-preview-once-more-unto-the-fortress/
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Post by: SamusDrake
Must say that it was starting to drag on waiting for the Ursus claw.
In hindsight, its a shame there wasn't an alternative weapon sprue for the warhounds, as there was for the Reaver and Warlord. True, the hounds didn't actually need one and the Ursus claw is just the odd-resin kit, but for hound-lovers everywhere that would have been a treat.
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Post by: Alpharius
Would also be great if the Psi-Titan could come back in stock too...
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Post by: schoon
Ah, yes. As my Legio is Warhound heavy, I'm looking forward to experimenting with these.
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Post by: tneva82
Interesting that those were only mentioned on the video. Not a word in article. I missed that one as I generally only read text(lot faster).
Damn GW
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tneva82 wrote:Interesting that those were only mentioned on the video. Not a word in article. I missed that one as I generally only read text(lot faster).
Damn GW
Yeah - I only read the written article. They should've put it in the article with a pic. Still, now we know.
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Post by: gorgon
After two teases -- one 6 months ago and the other 1 month ago -- they probably didn't feel the need to promote it again.
Well, that or they've casted up 18 copies to meet the worldwide demand and so are trying to keep it on the down low.
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gorgon wrote:
Well, that or they've casted up 18 copies to meet the worldwide demand and so are trying to keep it on the down low.
"Something tells me this ain't gonna have a happy ending...."
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Post by: SamusDrake
Wow! This month's Engine Kill tells us all about how to use Orders! Well, I don't think anyone knew how to use them!
Is there really a command check to be made? So thats what that was on the terminals!
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/08/25/orders-and-how-to-use-them/
...OMG this is going to be a HUGE game changer!
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Post by: Chopstick
5 / 10 filler article, I actually read it.
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I get this vibe no one plays it at GW if they're putting out articles like that.
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No one plays anything at GW.
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It really is insulting when they put these articles out. Next they'll be explaining the initiative phase...
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Not every article is aimed at die-hard players of the game.
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That is actually a fair comment as orders are indeed under Advanced rules...
...but even still! Orders!
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Post by: Crablezworth
 ImAGeek wrote:Not every article is aimed at die-hard players of the game.
Yeah but to be fair it's not even written to contextualize these things for potential new players, It's an article that makes a lot of sense for players in the first month of release but it's been a few years at this point. It's weird too because they had a really good one about the ryza book not long ago.
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Crablezworth wrote: ImAGeek wrote:Not every article is aimed at die-hard players of the game.
Yeah but to be fair it's not even written to contextualize these things for potential new players, It's an article that makes a lot of sense for players in the first month of release but it's been a few years at this point. It's weird too because they had a really good one about the ryza book not long ago.
Yeah, because the Ryza book was coming out.
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I don't play AT, and I found it pretty interesting to read.
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Post by: judgedoug
I own a ton of AT and haven't played it yet, and reading the article got me excited about AT again so I busted out my rulebook to read it at work and now I'm re-invigorated to paint and play. So it worked on that front.
It was kind of a "hey, if you're unfamiliar with this system, here's a sampling of how GOOD it is."
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Damn, feeling pretty bad about dissing the article now. 
Could it be that I'm finally turning into...one of..." them"?
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Post by: Sherrypie
It's a filler to remind people the game is fun, nothing bad in that. Except that Full Stride text isn't even close to how it works, but heyho
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We all get a bit radical as we get older...
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Post by: gorgon
 judgedoug wrote:I own a ton of AT and haven't played it yet, and reading the article got me excited about AT again so I busted out my rulebook to read it at work and now I'm re-invigorated to paint and play. So it worked on that front.
It was kind of a "hey, if you're unfamiliar with this system, here's a sampling of how GOOD it is."
Yeah. And it really is a great ruleset. It's a great game to demo, because it looks cool on the tabletop and has lots of crunch while being reasonably easy to pick up. Unfortunately, the little pandemic thing has taken some steam out of the game's informal relaunch with the new starter set.
Anyone in the US know what time the pre-orders go up?
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gorgon wrote: judgedoug wrote:I own a ton of AT and haven't played it yet, and reading the article got me excited about AT again so I busted out my rulebook to read it at work and now I'm re-invigorated to paint and play. So it worked on that front.
It was kind of a "hey, if you're unfamiliar with this system, here's a sampling of how GOOD it is."
Yeah. And it really is a great ruleset. It's a great game to demo, because it looks cool on the tabletop and has lots of crunch while being reasonably easy to pick up. Unfortunately, the little pandemic thing has taken some steam out of the game's informal relaunch with the new starter set.
Anyone in the US know what time the pre-orders go up?
1pm on the east coast, 10 am fire coast.
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Post by: Midnightdeathblade
Seriously I want to buy some Astorum Warlords, but no transfers and especially no Lucius Pattern head swaps is a no go for me. I dont understand why they wouldn't just make a separate resin head or something.
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Post by: Chopstick
It's another low effort article to meet the monthly article for X Specialist Game that they promised. Pretty lame for a monthly article, I'd rather take something with more effort like... scenario, community/staff legio, sneak peak,.....
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Chopstick wrote:It's another low effort article to meet the monthly article for X Specialist Game that they promised. Pretty lame for a monthly article, I'd rather take something with more effort like... scenario, community/staff legio, sneak peak,.....
It was low effort even for them.
"Wow, this article on orders totes made me wanna start this game"
said no one ever.
I dont get it, the make their best game in years, are killing it with the God-Engines and then they put out crap like this. It makes me frustrated.
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Post by: Overread
Perhaps it was an article written for much earlier when the game was new and it was never used so they thought they'd use it for filler whilst some of their staff setup is not fully in the office at present?
It does seem an odd time to produce such an article in isolation when they aren't doing a series of "how to play" articles and the like on the game.
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Urgh! Just reminded me to pick up a copy of Ryza...
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Post by: schoon
GW could learn a thing or two from the folks at Goonhammer about proper Titanicus articles.
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Post by: Overread
Some of the community articles do make me wonder if its an official job that sort of gets done in their lunch break between other jobs.
The other is that they are clearly aiming more at casual/new gamers more so than the experienced. In an ideal world the advanced and complex articles should go into White Dwarf
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Post by: JWBS
I don't want to sound to harsh but I get the impression that writing, as a profession, isn't what it used to be. I mean how many times have you read a quick news article where the same bit of info is repeated, several times almost verbatim (sometimes literally), through the piece? Sometimes in two consecutive sentences. I can't be the only one that's noticed that right? "A 32 y/o man was killed in a car crash today in Manchester. James Jackson, 32, was killed today in a crash in Manchester". On proper websites like Yahoo or whatever. Honestly I sometimes wonder if they're written in a sweatshop by a non-native speaker, or maybe even written by a machine. I read better stuff on forums by people writing for free.
That diatribe notwithstanding, I'm not too fussed that this article was sub-standard. You win some you lose some and tbh I usually skip them anyway, despite that I like AT a lot. I suppose it's 'cos I'm not a gamer, I'm in it for the models and the fiction, but the pics are mostly repeated and the stories seem pretty thin on the ground for this game.
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JWBS wrote:I don't want to sound to harsh but I get the impression that writing, as a profession, isn't what it used to be.
It's not - and FW post on FB that the III Legion are the Iron Warriors (they edited it after 45 minutes)
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Post by: Crablezworth
The hardest part about AT imo is making a decent battle report, but I'm finding what's not hard is at least snapping pics every game. GW didn't have a handful of pics to sprinkle in their article, just a shame.
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Post by: Mr_Rose
They saved all those for the battle report in this month’s WD.
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Post by: Sherrypie
The WD report was a fun read, even if the ever present lack of terrain meant that the players were using First Fire a lot more than I'd like
The graphic tracker for damaged locations, heat and shields was neat. It conveyed a lot without a novel's worth of text.
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I gotta pick that up, the pics they previewed looked really nice.
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JWBS wrote:I don't want to sound to harsh but I get the impression that writing, as a profession, isn't what it used to be. I mean how many times have you read a quick news article where the same bit of info is repeated, several times almost verbatim (sometimes literally), through the piece? Sometimes in two consecutive sentences. I can't be the only one that's noticed that right? "A 32 y/o man was killed in a car crash today in Manchester. James Jackson, 32, was killed today in a crash in Manchester". On proper websites like Yahoo or whatever. Honestly I sometimes wonder if they're written in a sweatshop by a non-native speaker, or maybe even written by a machine. I read better stuff on forums by people writing for free.
It depends. What you may be referring is known as the 'inverted pyramid' in journalism. Are you talking about something like this?
A man was killed in a car crash today in Manchester.
James Jackson, 32, was pronounced dead around 3:00 PM after his vehicle collided with an ice cream truck at the corner of Laurel and Pine.
With the inverted pyramid, the absolute most barebones version of the story will be the first sentence/graf. First sentence of the second graf often repeats the information in the first graf but with more detail about who/what/when/where/etc...like the above. You'll also hear this format in television newscasts. The deeper you go into the news piece, the more detail you receive about the story. Quotes may start to appear in the second or third graf, etc. It's done so that editors can cut sentences and grafs off the back as needed for fit -- everything up to the first sentence potentially -- and still tell the story. It also makes news articles very skimmable. Alternative leads are also a thing, and something like an opinion piece may not follow this format at all. But wire service articles -- the kind that sites like Yahoo pick up -- often will.
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Nah I'm talking about a simple story that's not exactly The Iliad to read or write, yet they repeat the same lines over and over as if it's the homework of a lazy 9 year old that has to write 400 words and he repeats the same stuff three times to pad, but his parents didn't take 5 minutes to read what he has produced. No buried leads or florid prose or anything so complex, just super basic repetition of info that's already been conveyed. That's why I came to the conclusion that it might actually be some sort of automation, it really is that stupid. "The man, 32 from Manchester, died in the crash at 4am. The man, 32, was from Manchester". I'll see if I can find an example when I wake up tomorrow, I seem to read one most days.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
That's usually a cut/paste artefact when combining several different versions of a section
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Yeah, that's how it reads to me (the AI writer / Indian sweatshop journalism was hyperbole), def looks like someone in some office has taken 10 minutes to copy / paste sections from one or two different articles to make a 300 word news story, hasn't even bothered to re-read it, literally no-one else wants to check it, hit send. The ubiquity of it annoys me more than it should.
Anyway, sorry for this half page of OT, please resume your AT talk.
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Post by: schoon
JWBS wrote:Anyway, sorry for this half page of OT, please resume your AT talk.
Fire the Ursus Claws! (or at least the pre-order...)
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Post by: zedmeister
Weapons! (Looks like it's a single weapon with the front swapping out as needed. Some clever magnetisation will see you well)  
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Post by: gorgon
Wow, that was up early. And $18 for one...ouch. Of course, I ordered six, LOL.
Still...Ursus Claws!
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Post by: Overread
That looks like a very tiny join area even just for glue; let alone fitting a magnet neatly in there.
Strange, you'd have thought with AT having more magnetic options in general might have made them put the join area further back into the body of the weapon so that there'd be sensible room for a magnet.
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Post by: SamusDrake
If not interchangeable then why not just do them as a pair, considering hounds come as a pair anyway.
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Post by: Chopstick
Magnet isn't the only way to do option. Pinning would work fine for that weapon.
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Post by: zedmeister
You could be quite clever and, if you're magnetising the arm to body joint, you could clip off that bit sticking out the front and drill deep into the weapon. Next, using a metal rod of a similar diameter to the bit you clipped off and that is attracted to magnets, you can use the joint magnet to hold the weapon in place
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Thats a good idea, zedmeister.
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Thanks, it's a bit of a fudge and won't be as strong as direct contact, but a long enough and thick enough rod should be good enough to keep it held in place
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Post by: Crablezworth
Anyone else not happy to see they don't come with weapon cards?
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Post by: gorgon
Would have been nice for the price. But I printed some out and put the backs and fronts into card sleeves. All my weapon cards are already in sleeves, so it works fine for me.
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Post by: Crablezworth
gorgon wrote:Would have been nice for the price. But I printed some out and put the backs and fronts into card sleeves. All my weapon cards are already in sleeves, so it works fine for me.
That's really it, if fw is telling me to print my own, I may just go ahead get the whole thing printed on my own, arms included.
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Post by: beast_gts
Crablezworth wrote: gorgon wrote:Would have been nice for the price. But I printed some out and put the backs and fronts into card sleeves. All my weapon cards are already in sleeves, so it works fine for me.
That's really it, if fw is telling me to print my own, I may just go ahead get the whole thing printed on my own, arms included.
None of the FW weapons come with cards - but the rest are in the main decks. Perhaps drop them a message asking about it?
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Post by: Crablezworth
beast_gts wrote: Crablezworth wrote: gorgon wrote:Would have been nice for the price. But I printed some out and put the backs and fronts into card sleeves. All my weapon cards are already in sleeves, so it works fine for me.
That's really it, if fw is telling me to print my own, I may just go ahead get the whole thing printed on my own, arms included.
None of the FW weapons come with cards - but the rest are in the main decks. Perhaps drop them a message asking about it?
I did and to their credit someone responded on facebook saying essentially TBD in terms of cards. I dunno, unlike the stratagem cards that are mostly just helpful reminders and something you can easily hand an opponent, the weapons cards seem sorta more integral IMO, especially given that I've spent so much already on the command terminals and extra weapons decks for each titan. The warbringer to its credit at least came with cards in the box. It just feels like if a company I'm willing to give money to is telling me to scan a book and print cards myself, I may as well get the arms printed myself too at this point.
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Post by: gorgon
The price isn't much different than the Shapeways bit, IIRC. Might have informed their pricing decision, actually.
Edit: Would have been nice to get the stratagem cards for S&I, but I guess GW is skipping that one? The Ryza set is cool, but the bulk of the cards only relate to custom legios. I'll chalk it up to the same holy mysteries regarding the AT transfers. *shrug*
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Post by: SamusDrake
I can see more card sets released as the range grows and could lead to "Scout titan" and "Battle titan" card sets, as weapons are shared. Afterall the Warbringer is doing that already and will most likely have individual weapon sprues sooner rather than later, that won't come with cards.
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Post by: zedmeister
To be honest, I reckon there’ll be a colour sheet with the cards printed on them in the blister pack. They do the same with Necromunda.
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Post by: Irbis
Crablezworth wrote:That's really it, if fw is telling me to print my own, I may just go ahead get the whole thing printed on my own, arms included.
That thing looks so similar to a screw I don't know why you'd bother. Just pick two cent screw in hardware store, some wire, clip front of Warhound flamer off, glue together and it will look so similar after painting you'd need to look at it under a microscope to spot the difference
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Post by: Slayer-Fan123
I was thinking about potentially getting into this game. What are the size of the minis?
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Post by: SamusDrake
Just done a quick measure of a Reaver, warhound and Questoris knight...
Reaver: 4.0 inches (including carapace missile pod)
Warhound: 2.5 inches
Questoris: 1.5 inches (without rocket pod)
...goes without saying that the starter set is definitely the way to go.
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Post by: Racerguy180
it's the best game they currently make and the minis kick ass!
the starter set is a great value and way to start out.
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Post by: Crablezworth
I'll say another kind word for the starter set. Insane value, in canadian dollars, you're getting about 280$ in models for 180$, not to mention the rulebook, dice and weapon cards, templates, arc templates and stratagems (those little bunkers). Only thing you really need is the card command dials that are about 30$ cad. The ones in the starter aren't great.
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Post by: SamusDrake
LOL, GW doesn't really need an advertising effort for Adeptus Titanicus - they've got us!
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Post by: gorgon
I think COVID and the lack of in-store gaming has hurt the spread of AT. The game is a great demo. Looks terrific on the table, and it's easy to pick up the basics and start understanding the crunch of the gameplay.
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Post by: Sacredroach
gorgon wrote:I think COVID and the lack of in-store gaming has hurt the spread of AT. The game is a great demo. Looks terrific on the table, and it's easy to pick up the basics and start understanding the crunch of the gameplay.
Except for the fact that GW stores don't carry AT and at least in our GW shop they prefer that you not use their limited tablespace for Specialist Games...or Middle Earth.
We have a dedicated group that plays at a couple of FLGS shops, but since most of the product is Direct only...it is the business model for marketing AT (and others...looking at you Blood Bowl) needs to drastically change.
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Post by: gorgon
Was talking about FLGS. Thought I read that select GW stores will start carrying more SG stuff as a test.
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Post by: Overread
gorgon wrote:Was talking about FLGS. Thought I read that select GW stores will start carrying more SG stuff as a test.
I figure for GW the test is if their production back end can support the volume of production for keeping things in stock. Which would make sense if their new factory comes online, but might all be delayed due to Corona restrictions and such.
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Post by: tneva82
And whether it actually sells consistently enough it's worth it. If it's mostly sitting there with only occasional purchase it just ain't worth the shelf space
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Post by: Jackal90
 Sacredroach wrote: gorgon wrote:I think COVID and the lack of in-store gaming has hurt the spread of AT. The game is a great demo. Looks terrific on the table, and it's easy to pick up the basics and start understanding the crunch of the gameplay.
Except for the fact that GW stores don't carry AT and at least in our GW shop they prefer that you not use their limited tablespace for Specialist Games...or Middle Earth.
We have a dedicated group that plays at a couple of FLGS shops, but since most of the product is Direct only...it is the business model for marketing AT (and others...looking at you Blood Bowl) needs to drastically change.
I’m assuming this depends on the store?
GW Portsmouth has a row of shelves behind the counter with specialist stuff on them.
Granted, it’s not a full stock of everything, but they do hold a fair bit.
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Post by: Overread
tneva82 wrote:And whether it actually sells consistently enough it's worth it. If it's mostly sitting there with only occasional purchase it just ain't worth the shelf space
True, but that might very well end up being a regional thing. If it sells poor in some regions but well in others then its likely worth it. GW already owns all the shelf space in the store so its just GW brand competing with GW brand. The big difference is if someone is interested in it and they can pick it up off the shelf that means a sale; mail order or come and pick it up another week can often result in no sale. Plus most of the specialist games are really light on shelf space. AT can be advertised with 1 starter box, 1 titan box and perhaps one or two other boxes. GW could do a single shelf rack of AT, AN, Bloodbowl and Necromunda all together under a Specialist Banner as a standard practice for all stores; then simply let managers adjust to suit their local customer base.
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Post by: tneva82
 Overread wrote:tneva82 wrote:And whether it actually sells consistently enough it's worth it. If it's mostly sitting there with only occasional purchase it just ain't worth the shelf space
True, but that might very well end up being a regional thing. If it sells poor in some regions but well in others then its likely worth it. GW already owns all the shelf space in the store so its just GW brand competing with GW brand. The big difference is if someone is interested in it and they can pick it up off the shelf that means a sale; mail order or come and pick it up another week can often result in no sale. Plus most of the specialist games are really light on shelf space. AT can be advertised with 1 starter box, 1 titan box and perhaps one or two other boxes. GW could do a single shelf rack of AT, AN, Bloodbowl and Necromunda all together under a Specialist Banner as a standard practice for all stores; then simply let managers adjust to suit their local customer base.
It's GW brand competing with GW brand in reducing amount of stuff that sells quickly. Turnover is important for stores. Boxes sitting on shelf unsold costs money. The reason MTG is such a big thing money wise is because turnover is so fast. You put boxes of cards to shelf and they won't be collecting dust long. Any store wants stuff that ISN'T just sitting there collecting dust.
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Post by: Nurglitch
Magic is also cheap, per chunk of game sold. It's easier to walk into a store and drop $20 on some cards than it is to buy the AT box.
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Post by: SamusDrake
Just skimmed through the battle report in WD #455, and it was a riot.
It was a real treat at almost 20 pages, and both sides featured very large armies at 3,000+ points. Truely, this was "clash of the titans"! All warmachines, great and small, were involved. The narrative was pretty good too.
Some niggles, though. Once again, its another game where I easily predicted the outcome just by looking at the two armies involved. The set up was a bit too far outside its mission parameters - for example, it states 2,500 points against 3,000, but both armies are more than 3,000 points each. Lastly, apparently the Porphyrions are still "nasty" when the opposing side has a supporting cast of four warlord titans, and given their reputation I'm surprised one of those warlord hadn't targeted them on the first turn as a priority.
Didn't expect much from the report but would say its worth it. Thumbs up!
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Post by: Crablezworth
SamusDrake wrote:Just skimmed through the battle report in WD #455, and it was a riot.
It was a real treat at almost 20 pages, and both sides featured very large armies at 3,000+ points. Truely, this was "clash of the titans"! All warmachines, great and small, were involved. The narrative was pretty good too.
Some niggles, though. Once again, its another game where I easily predicted the outcome just by looking at the two armies involved. The set up was a bit too far outside its mission parameters - for example, it states 2,500 points against 3,000, but both armies are more than 3,000 points each. Lastly, apparently the Porphyrions are still "nasty" when the opposing side has a supporting cast of four warlord titans, and given their reputation I'm surprised one of those warlord hadn't targeted them on the first turn as a priority.
Didn't expect much from the report but would say its worth it. Thumbs up!
Which WD was it? Aug?
Ya porphyrions are worth every penny. Reliable fire support.
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Post by: SamusDrake
It certainly is August.
And yes, I love me some Porpys!
Oh, and "SOUND THE WARHORNS!" should now be a thing. Why, even Ramirez said in Highlander "You can only start playing AT if you declare 'Sound the warhorns!'. Its tradition."
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Post by: gorgon
My Ursus Claws shipped. Yay!
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Post by: SamusDrake
Unfortunately your shipment has just been intercepted by pirates, whom are now considering giving up the life of riley and becoming professional Titanicus players. 
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Post by: schoon
SamusDrake wrote:Unfortunately your shipment has just been intercepted by pirates, whom are now considering giving up the life of riley and becoming professional Titanicus players.
Totally feasible - I mean, who wouldn't?
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Post by: schoon
As it's been digitally sculpted, I'd expect an AT-scale version in the next quarter or so.
Probably a new box as opposed to an upgrade sprue.
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Post by: tneva82
Better be both like warlord/reaver rather than just box...Remember what uproar it caused when originally plasma warlord and volcano reaver were supposed to be just individual box so there literally was no way to get titan with all weapon options with the exception of buying whole kit and throw spare body into trash can...
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Post by: Mr_Rose
The complete kit will be out first though… maybe by a month, maybe more.
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Post by: MarkNorfolk
In this case I think a separate kit is more warranted. The ammo loader on the back is definitely packing shells - I imagine the volcano-warbringer having huge power cells/capacitors on the back. Sure, some people will be happy just to swap out the turret, and some crazy fools will magnetize the whole setup, but still....
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Post by: tneva82
are the packing shells part of the body sprue or weapon sprue in original?
Not much of use for magnets then :(
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Seems to be on the weapon sprue.
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Post by: tneva82
Well if it's on weapon sprue the capacitators for volcano cannon would be on same part? Or is there literally something in body part that makes it non-viable?
Would seem pretty weird for GW to make it like that. They are usually good at making kits that allow such flexibility and that's been part of AT models so far.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
I’m not familiar with the kit itself, but the attached pic is the weapon sprue. Certainly looks to only be gun parts, including the loader mechanisms?
Wonder if we’ll just see the big gun replaced, or if they’ll offer different arm weapons on the sprue?
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Wonder if we’ll just see the big gun replaced, or if they’ll offer different arm weapons on the sprue?
Volcano cannon & laser blaster are on that sprue, and it can also take a melta cannon & gatling blaster so we might see those. I'd like to see some new weapons - a missile pod or plasma gun would be good.
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Post by: Mr_Rose
They will almost certainly have the other weapons on any replacement sprue. As for the ammo hoppers and loading cranes, they are on that sprue and can be magnetised to be removable.
What is slightly annoying is that the head isn’t, so you either end up with spares and less space on the new weapon sprue, or no replacement head. Unless they do a new armour sprue as well…
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Post by: Crablezworth
Mr_Rose wrote:They will almost certainly have the other weapons on any replacement sprue. As for the ammo hoppers and loading cranes, they are on that sprue and can be magnetised to be removable.
What is slightly annoying is that the head isn’t, so you either end up with spares and less space on the new weapon sprue, or no replacement head. Unless they do a new armour sprue as well…
Maybe new armour, might be first time we see blackshield options for shield incongraphy.
They've hinted at chaos knights/titans. If that's not all on forge world end, could be they're doing it with armour swaps where possible, like maybe blackshield/chaos armour options instead of the usual like traiotr/loyalist/blank. I know blank is essentially blackshields, so it could be they might just do like chaos knight version of existing titans with new/different weapons. Really hope the rapier ends up being true. On the knight front, really hoping we see the atrapos and or magaera before the end of the year. Chaos knights would likely be their own kit I would imagine if/when they ever appear. Hoping that's not fw.
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Nice to see legio venator getting rules, the new light maniple with the cerastus seems cool.
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Post by: Marshal Loss
Good to see Ignatum finally get their time in the sun.
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Post by: zedmeister
Fire Wasps and Astraman are old favourites - glad to see them coming up.
I'm hoping this release sees more weapon options making an appearance, hopefully during this release. Still waiting for the Saturnyne Lascutter for the Warlord as well as the rumoured Volkite arm weapon. Carapace Meltacannons or Plasma Blastguns would be nice as well considering they are explicitly mentioned in the Mechanicum Taghmata rules.
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Post by: Crablezworth
 zedmeister wrote:Fire Wasps and Astraman are old favourites - glad to see them coming up.
I'm hoping this release sees more weapon options making an appearance, hopefully during this release. Still waiting for the Saturnyne Lascutter for the Warlord as well as the rumoured Volkite arm weapon. Carapace Meltacannons or Plasma Blastguns would be nice as well considering they are explicitly mentioned in the Mechanicum Taghmata rules.
Agreed, more weapon options for the warlord would be nice.
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
Are we ever going to see another heavy maniple?
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Unlikely. We'll probably see some when(if?) we see a new Warlord type variant of the Nemesis Warbringer
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Post by: gorgon
zedmeister wrote:Fire Wasps and Astraman are old favourites - glad to see them coming up.
I'm hoping this release sees more weapon options making an appearance, hopefully during this release. Still waiting for the Saturnyne Lascutter for the Warlord as well as the rumoured Volkite arm weapon. Carapace Meltacannons or Plasma Blastguns would be nice as well considering they are explicitly mentioned in the Mechanicum Taghmata rules.
Yeah, and I'm hoping that they actually try to catch up with transfer sheets at some point also. However, I am a-feared that -- not unlike the last book -- this release is going to include Mechanicum Knights and not much else.
Edit: Of course I'm glad to see more support in the form of campaign books. But it feels like the books are stacking up as the other support is falling behind. I understand the global environment. But it feels disjointed from a customer perspective.
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Post by: Malika2
I wonder what new models we'll be getting here.
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Post by: Racerguy180
Hopefully....Rapiers(please, please pretty please with sugar on top)& Styrix/Magera knights. Maybe some new terrain?
Or absolutely nothing model wise.
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Post by: gorgon
Maybe transfers for some Legio that hasn't been covered yet even in this book? A new terminal pack with a different mix?
I kid, I kid. (But I am afeared.)
Edit: If they release the Rapier, I'll happily eat my words. I'm very excited for that one. But I was imagining that and maybe corrupted Titans too with the previously mentioned Kado book, which I thought was next. I dunno.
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Post by: Crablezworth
gorgon wrote: zedmeister wrote:Fire Wasps and Astraman are old favourites - glad to see them coming up.
I'm hoping this release sees more weapon options making an appearance, hopefully during this release. Still waiting for the Saturnyne Lascutter for the Warlord as well as the rumoured Volkite arm weapon. Carapace Meltacannons or Plasma Blastguns would be nice as well considering they are explicitly mentioned in the Mechanicum Taghmata rules.
Yeah, and I'm hoping that they actually try to catch up with transfer sheets at some point also. However, I am a-feared that -- not unlike the last book -- this release is going to include Mechanicum Knights and not much else.
Edit: Of course I'm glad to see more support in the form of campaign books. But it feels like the books are stacking up as the other support is falling behind. I understand the global environment. But it feels disjointed from a customer perspective.
Ryza changed a lot with the custom legios, but I agree that the books are starting to stack up. I'd be more excited about the echoes of glory section if they actually included photography of game boards but that doesn't seem likely.
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Post by: xttz
The lack of new models shown makes me think this is a while away, and they're keeping something back for next month's article. I assume this is another January release.
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Post by: SamusDrake
Wow, thats quite a surprise. Always nice to have new AT stuff.
Mixed feelings on the Ignus Maniple. On the one hand its addressing a sorely lacking part of the game which is mixed Titan-Knight maniples, but on the other its still making the same mistake that was made with the Dominus maniple.
Maniples have so far been 3-5 titans. This and the Dominus maniple are the only known maniples so far( well, that I'm aware of ) to break that by saying 3-5 titans and 1-3 banners. To keep with the tradition of 3-5 titans it would make more sense to replace a titan with a full knight banner, instead of just adding a minimum banner...
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- 2 Warhounds
- 1 Full Cerastus Acheron banner( 4 knights )
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- 1 Warhound
- 1 Full Cerastus Archeron banner( 4 knights )
...because what they are doing with the Ignus and Dominus maniples is tucking into a player's support budget. Now, this might be fine with players who want to integrate their freeblade support banners, but not so much for players who are just after a mixed titan-knight maniple and wish to add titans for additional support. Maxed out the Ignus maniple is essentially a Lupercal maniple and an Acheron Lance rolled into one( minus the lance rules, of course ).
Its just an annoyance more than a deal breaker, as a similar setup could be good for my own force; 1 Reaver, 2-4 Hounds and 1-3 banners of Cerastus Lancers would be right up my street.
At this point I'd really fancy some cheese to go with my whine; how to go about purchasing such a maniple? 1-3 banners of Archerons will mean also purchasing 1-3 banners of Castigators( this is definitely going to annoy some players! ), and although the minimum is 3 warhounds, you'd have to purchase 4 in one go. Actually, thats not bad as that 4th hound will fill in an optional slot, and the hounds kit is bloody good value for money. Even still, a minimum option for this would cost £120 - yikes! Compare this to a Venator maniple( £75 ) or a Lupercal Maniple( £80 ) and it seems a bit pricey just to get to the table.
Wondered why this maniple doesn't include the thermal-cannon Questoris, but I guess that would have been awkward given the lack of the firestorm trait. That said, if the maniple's theme is flame weapons, then why is the knights restricted to flame-only weapons and not the titans? Very odd indeed.
Going forward it might be better to create a third option for building hybrid forces, and keep maniples strictly for titans and lances for households. Not sure how they would go about it but would appreciate it all the same.
To sum it up there's nothing actually objectionable - so far - with the forthcoming expansion, but its yet another sign that AT still has more work to do on the knight side of things. On a very positive note, this looks like a good follow up to Titan Death's focus on Titan legios and battlefield environment conditions. Interested to know what the Precept maniple will involve...
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Post by: gorgon
 xttz wrote:The lack of new models shown makes me think this is a while away, and they're keeping something back for next month's article. I assume this is another January release.
Yeah, it might be far off.
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Post by: zedmeister
Well, the general pattern of all specialist games releases all follow the same pattern - a new plastic sprue with each book. Though, Aeronautica seems to buck that trend and Titanicus to a lesser extent. I suspect we’ll see a releases of some sort along with this alongside a deck of cards.
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Got a gut feeling this release might include a new scenery kit to tie in with the new environment conditions. Unless, of course, the book reveals a new titan for the Precept maniple...
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Post by: Overread
I'd rather like to see them start to add Chaos models (actual Chaos not just a paint scheme on Imperial Models)
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Surprised FW hasn't already provided that in upgrade kits, much like the Ordo Sinister titan for loyalists. Maybe they will address that next?
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SamusDrake wrote:Surprised FW hasn't already provided that in upgrade kits, much like the Ordo Sinister titan for loyalists. Maybe they will address that next?
GW could do it one of two ways - alternate chaos parts and weapons that are simply upgrades to the current models.
Or a full on launch of chaos unique corrupted models.
I think the issue is if GW starts with option 1 and bleeds into option 2 they could end up Chaos doing what Primaris and marines are doing - ergo having two armies sort of mushed together. Personally I'd like to see it because it shows GW taking a serious interest in the game in the long term and because once you've got Chaos there's every chance of getting Xenos and I'd love to see some Eldar and Tyranids in that scale. Plus even Tau can come to play with some larger mechs.
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Lordly, I'd definitely go all in if they introduced other races. That would be absolute champion.
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Post by: GoatboyBeta
I'd put money on the Nemesis Warbringer with the big Volcano cannon and/or Mechanicum Knights like the Magaera and Atrapos.
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GoatboyBeta wrote:
I'd put money on the Nemesis Warbringer with the big Volcano cannon and/or Mechanicum Knights like the Magaera and Atrapos.
Hope you're right 
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Post by: Midnightdeathblade
*yelling from the back of the room* "Lucius Pattern Warlord Titan head upgrades please!"
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Post by: RobertDD
I wonder why Legio Atarus, which happens to be my legion, gets a reprint?
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Post by: Nostromodamus
RobertDD wrote:I wonder why Legio Atarus, which happens to be my legion, gets a reprint?
Mortis did in a previous supplement. Reasoning was “they were in the conflict depicted in the book.”
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RobertDD wrote:I wonder why Legio Atarus, which happens to be my legion, gets a reprint?
According to the wiki there home forge of Atar-Median is part of the Belt of Iron.
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Post by: schoon
While I'm always happy to see another Titanicus book, I'm a little sad that it seems to feature no new weapons/Knights/Titans.
I'm guessing that the variant Warbringer will be the plastic released alongside this.
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That's about least of their priorities. Likely xenos races come first.
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tneva82 wrote:
That's about least of their priorities. Likely xenos races come first.
Not the full lucius pattern, just the head which already exists in full scale. A new warlord with lucius head and some of the other warlord weapons would be great.
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Post by: SamusDrake
Had a reply from the White Dwarf team, and they said that while there are no plans yet for another AT report, they do hope to show Jason and Owen's full armies in an upcoming issue.
They also mentioned that the report's terminals were a challenge to put together but Sophie made it happen. Well done Sophie!
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Post by: Midnightdeathblade
 MajorWesJanson wrote:tneva82 wrote:
That's about least of their priorities. Likely xenos races come first.
Not the full lucius pattern, just the head which already exists in full scale. A new warlord with lucius head and some of the other warlord weapons would be great.
Yeah this, I love the head design on the mars pattern body, they show tons of artwork of titans equipped with this head in the books, and havent made it available. I really want to do Legio Astorum, but not without these heads (since you know, they're from Lucius). On an unfortunate side note, it seems the 28mm Lucius head is missing on FW website 
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Are those Books at last "Corona Fillers"?
I have a bad feeling when this go on, without Xenos, or throw in Airplanes, or Tanks...
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Post by: Prometheum5
RazorEdge wrote:Are those Books at last "Corona Fillers"?
I have a bad feeling when this go on, without Xenos, or throw in Airplanes, or Tanks...
It sounds like you're looking for Epic. This is the Adeptus Titanicus thread. Head to the Specialist Games form, there's a lot of exciting ways to play Epic right now!
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Post by: Malika2
Plenty of indie companies and fans 3d printers keeping Epic alive.
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Post by: Fenrir Kitsune
RazorEdge wrote:Are those Books at last "Corona Fillers"?
I have a bad feeling when this go on, without Xenos, or throw in Airplanes, or Tanks...
Expanding to ground troops would be great. Def buy into that, if a new edition of Epic arrives
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Post by: Pacific
 Prometheum5 wrote:RazorEdge wrote:Are those Books at last "Corona Fillers"?
I have a bad feeling when this go on, without Xenos, or throw in Airplanes, or Tanks...
It sounds like you're looking for Epic. This is the Adeptus Titanicus thread. Head to the Specialist Games form, there's a lot of exciting ways to play Epic right now!
Yep would like to repeat this comment 
Here is the forum in question there are a few Epic threads going on there: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/forums/show/57.page
Also an attempt at a new player guide if you want to have a go but not sure where to start!
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/751316.page
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"Crucible of Retribution
Prepare to wage war in the Belt of Iron in a new Adeptus Titanicus expansion, Crucible of Retribution. This narrative expansion explores the war for the Belt of Iron and brings a plethora of new scenarios and rules for Adeptus Titanicus players, including the famous Legio Ignatum. This unmissable expansion will be available in hardback and ePub formats."
Narrative is great and all but without models to go along with it, meh. I'll pick it up because I want the rules for legio venator but was really hoping to see some sort of model release alongside this.
"Adeptus Titanicus: Open Engine War Card Pack
Get ready for engine war in no time with this handy pack of cards that enables you to choose or randomly generate your Deployment Map, Primary and Secondary Objectives, as well as any Planetary and Battlefield Effects in a matter of moments. You need never play the same mission twice!"
You know what, that last line encompassed the entire problem AT has with getting in fresh bodies, some games actually need to be the same twice at a core level before expanding outward. I'd rather have an actual good core matched play system and allow the terrain and objective placement and of course varying opponents to be what keeps it fresh. I really don't like this direction of release endless splashes of content all over the place, it doesn't help 30k either in terms of fresh blood. You may as well just sell us a collectors edition d100 dice with a corresponding chart of missions and call it an expansion for AT.
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Post by: xttz
Crablezworth wrote: You may as well just sell us a collectors edition d100 dice with a corresponding chart of missions and call it an expansion for AT.
Stop giving them ideas
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Post by: Either/Or
They need to stop dilly dallying and come out with actual chaosy mutated/possessed Titans! This could start as more mild changes easily done in resin add ons like the psi titan. Barring adding Zenso or going full epic adding narrative books with minimal content or more knights only does so much. Even cosmetic resin add ons would be nice vs a placeholder book.
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Post by: SamusDrake
Noooooooooooo....its Doom of Molech all over again!
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Post by: Crablezworth
So my buddy made a pretty apt observation about the line "You need never play the same mission twice!"
He basically said matched play is already like that and that and it's true. I feel like you need a solid core matched play and build out from there. I'm currently paintig giant alien cactusses, I don't need a random generator to help me world build or make fluff. I need a solid core game, which AT is, and a good simple matched play scenario to get blood into the hobby. It's almost impossible to even attempt that without half the fans of the game screaming the c word at you. (competitive in this case, not the other c word lol)
But ya, I may even end up liking this system at least for the cards, but as we've seen with the cards, they're never supported, it's like a splash release that never gets re-stocked and ends up on ebay at 4x the price. That's like the only downside of the ryza release, had they actually done cards for all the custom legio options, you would actually been able to have endless reusability even if it was a limited release but they couldn't even be bothered to do that.
Excited for the new book, going to order it, may even get cards if it's not just a cash grab, cautiously optimistic about legio venator rules.
Automatically Appended Next Post: xttz wrote: Crablezworth wrote: You may as well just sell us a collectors edition d100 dice with a corresponding chart of missions and call it an expansion for AT.
Stop giving them ideas
lol, really hoping the cards are more worthwhile than the ryza ones Automatically Appended Next Post: Either/Or wrote:They need to stop dilly dallying and come out with actual chaosy mutated/possessed Titans! This could start as more mild changes easily done in resin add ons like the psi titan. Barring adding Zenso or going full epic adding narrative books with minimal content or more knights only does so much. Even cosmetic resin add ons would be nice vs a placeholder book.
Agreed, the titanicus video game has a really cool chaos warlord, and I've heard from people the game looks too "mirror match" and that's a fair observation if you're coming from 40k with so many factions. Once we see chaos and blackshield stuff I'll be quite sated. Automatically Appended Next Post:
Molech added some amazing stuff like titan hunter infantry, but yeah, the knight stuff felt and still feels a bit niche. I'm glad there's that level of depth, the beast hunt stuff really was a cool idea.
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Crablezworth wrote:
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Molech added some amazing stuff like titan hunter infantry, but yeah, the knight stuff felt and still feels a bit niche. I'm glad there's that level of depth, the beast hunt stuff really was a cool idea.
The hunters were indeed cool! While AT has to be careful to remain a Titan'n'Knight game, they could be a welcome exception to the rule. Maybe open up a "hidden danger" aspect to the game, and could be the focus of an expansion. Give the knights - especially castigators and armigers - command checks for perception.
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SamusDrake wrote: Crablezworth wrote:
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Molech added some amazing stuff like titan hunter infantry, but yeah, the knight stuff felt and still feels a bit niche. I'm glad there's that level of depth, the beast hunt stuff really was a cool idea.
The hunters were indeed cool! While AT has to be careful to remain a Titan'n'Knight game, they could be a welcome exception to the rule. Maybe open up a "hidden danger" aspect to the game, and could be the focus of an expansion. Give the knights - especially castigators and armigers - command checks for perception.
Just bringing in reserve and outflank as a core mechanic does so much to spice tings up.
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Post by: schoon
zedmeister wrote:https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/10/18/sunday-preview-warcry-goes-underground/
Odd that there’s no miniature release alongside...
That would be mainly because there are no new Titans or weapons (or even Knights) in the book.
I love the background and history, so I'll be picking it up, but I can see how some might give this one a pass.
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Post by: SamusDrake
Crablezworth wrote:
Just bringing in reserve and outflank as a core mechanic does so much to spice tings up.
Yes! There is so much potential for Adeptus Titanicus, where they can include things without straying too far from being the classic game of titans with knight support.
And in a similar fashion, Aeronautica's Arvus would be another suitable "exception to the rule". Just dying for an excuse to purchase them...
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Post by: RazorEdge
They could bring in Airplanes - they have Models already and why do some Units have Anti-Air-Capacity.
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Post by: Malika2
I can already see that happening soon...
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Post by: SamusDrake
schoon wrote: zedmeister wrote:https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/10/18/sunday-preview-warcry-goes-underground/
Odd that there’s no miniature release alongside...
That would be mainly because there are no new Titans or weapons (or even Knights) in the book.
I love the background and history, so I'll be picking it up, but I can see how some might give this one a pass.
It doesn't seem to matter even if a book does have new units. For example, they had the cerastus variants in Doom of Molech, and then those in Defense of Ryza. There was even a bit of a wait for the Warhounds during the opening months of the game despite being in the main rule book.
But yes, it seems there is nothing new in this book as its retreading the environment conditions of Titandeath. Its a shame they didn't release Castigators with Defence of Ryza and Archerons with Crucibal of Retribution as its quite expensive for players who just want the Acherons for the ignus maniple. A similar reaver'n'castigator maniple for DOR would have gone down well if the two banners were sold separately.
Just thinking about such a maniple; it could have a trait where castigators could receive a strength bonus if a reaver with a gatling or vulcan weapon is within firing range of their target. Something like that.
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Post by: zedmeister
schoon wrote:That would be mainly because there are no new Titans or weapons (or even Knights) in the book.
They could fill the gaps in the range. For example, a Warbinger with the Belicosa, variant heads and arms of the Galing Blaster and Meltacannon. Not forgetting the Knights such as Styrix, Maegara and Atropos as well as the Asterios.
My guess is they're holding a release or two back for Christmas. It's possible that we may see a new bundle for Christmas. Previous years Titanicus bundles have reportedly done well.
For example, the Precipt maniple in the new book could herald a new bundle - We haven't seen a maniple with all four classes yet, so the Precipt could combine a Warlord, Warbringer, 1-2 Reavers and 1-2 Warhounds.
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Post by: JWBS
I'm hoping for a discount xmas bundle with the newer Knights plus a brand new Warbringer.
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Post by: SamusDrake
Definitely that. Could probably throw in the Sunfury Warlord too.
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
Warbringer, reaver, warhound pair, set of the new Cerastus you could split it down the middle like a starter
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Post by: gorgon
There are tons of things they could be releasing that don't involve xenos Titans or Epic elements. It just appears that any manufacturing capacity they have right now is being mostly sucked up by 40K and AoS.
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Post by: Arbitrator
Either/Or wrote:They need to stop dilly dallying and come out with actual chaosy mutated/possessed Titans! This could start as more mild changes easily done in resin add ons like the psi titan. Barring adding Zenso or going full epic adding narrative books with minimal content or more knights only does so much. Even cosmetic resin add ons would be nice vs a placeholder book.
My guess is this is a sort of 'stopgap' book which might've been content cut from the next book. A lot of people (including me) seem very surprised at the turnaround time for this and it might be they put it out because the next model releases (and it's accompanying book) wouldn't be out for some time and we'd otherwise have a long, long wait if they'd gone straight from Defence of Ryza to it.
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Post by: zedmeister
Legio Ignatum trait:
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Post by: Marshal Loss
Confusing wording. I hope the preview drops today, I want to see some more colour plates.
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Post by: Crablezworth
Aaaaaaaaaand vox blackout 
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Post by: zedmeister
Preview article up: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/10/22/crucible-of-retribution-titanic-tactics/
Some nice colour plates
Crucible of Retribution – Titanic Tactics
Crucible of Retribution goes up for pre-order this weekend, bringing the internecine warfare of the Cataclysm of Iron to your games of Adeptus Titanicus. This narrative expansion book offers all sorts of options, plus new narrative and Echoes of Glory missions. Today, we wanted to show you some of the coolest tricks the Titan Legions bring to the table.
There are eight Titan Legions detailed in Crucible of Retribution, seven of which are brand-new, plus four Knight Houses. Each of them has their own preferred tactics, represented by special rules to bring them to life during your games. There are too many to get into here, so we’ll pick a few of our favourites to get your gears turning.
Legio Tritonis – Dark Tide
The first-ever secessionist Legio seeks to overthrow their perceived oppressors, which happens to include both the Emperor and the Warmaster. Why choose a side when you can simply fight absolutely everybody else in the galaxy? They’re emboldened by acts of destruction, which is represented on the table by their unique Legio Trait.
Favouring massive Warlord Titans, the Dark Tide has nevertheless found ways to mask the movements of these gargantuan god-machines – and stay super creepy in the process.
This should keep the heat off your Titans long enough for them to get into optimal firing positions, ready to unleash hell when the veil drops.
The Dark Tide isn’t the only Legio from Forge World Arachnus, a planet named after the massive spider-like megafauna that once roamed around it until Legio Venator hunted them to extinction. Not scared of Titan-sized spiders? Traitors should be very afraid of these ones…
Legio Venator – Iron Spiders
Given their secessionist planetary neighbours, Legio Venator is eager to prove just how loyal they are. Their iron-clad adherence to orders and steadfast refusal to give in is reflected in their Legio Trait.
Legio Venator Princeps work together especially closely, even pairing up into ad-hoc fighting units when needed.
This deceptively strong trait allows you to activate your Titans two at a time, share a higher Command value, and combine your attacks into Coordinated Strikes.
Playing it straight is all well and good, but sometimes you may feel like burning the very ground you walk on.
Legio Kulisaetai – Gatekeepers
The Gatekeepers are infamous for their scorched earth method of warfare, leaving nothing standing in their wake. They’re merciless, cutting down their enemies no matter the cost, relishing in the rush of power with little thought for anything else.
Having given themselves over to dark powers, some of the Legio Kulisaetai Princeps have begun to lose touch with reality completely.
The strength of their own convictions causes them to shrug off damage and remain effective when others would be laid low, requiring a concentrated effort of fire to bring them down.
New Maniples
Crucible of Retribution includes two new maniples, including the Ignus light maniple. It’s designed to spread confusion and disorder with Warhounds and Cerastus Knights Acheron.
Use your superior speed to close the distance between you and your foes…
… and set everything on fire. Then, set the ashes on fire – Burn Appetit!
Knight Houses
You’ll find four Knight Houses in the book: Col’Khak, Moritain, Gotrith, and Vextrix, each with their own Knightly Qualities.
The bitter and resentful Knights of House Gotrith, for example, can roll on this chart (or choose one, if your opponent agrees) instead of the standard set from the Doom of Molech.
These results may not be game-breaking, but they help represent the character of the Knight Houses and differentiate them from each other.
The unusual scholar-warriors of House Moritain, on the other hand, are represented by their own rather poetic-sounding Knightly Qualities.
House Moritain Seneschals collect titles in a manner rather similar to the Adeptus Custodes, and these three results hint at the richness and variety of their experiences.
Along with cracking new art and background to explore, plus four narrative missions and fifteen Echoes of Glory missions for Death Worlds, Forge Worlds, and Hive Worlds, there’s loads of material to draw you in and expand your games of Adeptus Titanicus.
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Gatekeepers have a very "not traitor" scheme + trait, which is nice. I think we'll see some very slick looking Venator maniples floating around as well
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Post by: Crablezworth
Stygien veil seems cool, venators trait seems pretty strong.
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Post by: zedmeister
Well, Dark Tide’s rule to replace any reaver in a maniple with a warlord has pretty much cemented Krytos as having the weakest Legio rules. Suppose someone has to come bottom. Grumble grumble..
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Post by: gorgon
Speaking as an Audax player who runs Lupercal regularly...yes, squadron shenanigans are *very* good. This (appropriately) isn't as strong as Lupercal, but it'll let you do some things. And it's a trait...not something that locks you into a given maniple type.
Edit: Great to see another light maniple...although it's super-niche.
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Legio Astraman:
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Post by: Racerguy180
I dig it but we need another chassis and chaos titans/knights.
but I will say this, earlier on my local discord 2 people expressed interest in the game and gonna get a tutorial game set up for them. the other AT players are almost frothing at the mouth for some new blood.
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Post by: Crablezworth
Racerguy180 wrote:I dig it but we need another chassis and chaos titans/knights.
but I will say this, earlier on my local discord 2 people expressed interest in the game and gonna get a tutorial game set up for them. the other AT players are almost frothing at the mouth for some new blood.
Nice, I got some buddy's coming to check out the 2k game we're doing this weekend, hopefully more new players
But ya, a new chassis would be nice and we really do need chaos knights/titans. A loyalist/traitor starter would be sick, same as the new one just chaos/renegade titans/knights on half.
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Post by: zedmeister
Nice preview with all the colour plates
Crucible of Retribution: The Story
 
The latest Adeptus Titanicus expansion reveals a previously untold tale from the Horus Heresy – the Cataclysm of Iron. Today, we’re taking a look at this conflict, which encompassed hundreds of worlds over a span of years, and some of the Titan Legions which helped to shape it.
The Belt of Iron
The Belt of Iron might sound like something Perturabo uses to keep his trousers up, but in fact, it’s a vast region of space, comprising thousands of systems across the borders of Segmentum Tempestus and Segmentum Pacificus. The name comes from the countless Forge Worlds located in the region, which warred upon each other as the galaxy fell into anarchy.
In the pages of Crucible of Retribution, you’ll find details about the Belt of Iron and some of the key Forge Worlds within it – including famous planets such as Graia, which you may recognise as a Forge World with Warhammer 40,000 rules, and Urdesh, which plays a key role in Dan Abnett’s Gaunt’s Ghosts novels.
A decade-long timeline offers information about the major battles and campaigns fought in during the Cataclysm of Iron, offering you loads of opportunities to theme both your battlegroups and your games around the events in the area.
You’ll also find background about eight Titan Legions that fought in these engagements, including the Legio Tritonis, who eschew allegiance to either the Emperor or Horus! The Dark Tide, as they are known, seek only to defend their own domain, opening up loads of opportunities for interesting narrative play games based around them holding off both Loyalist and Traitor forces – maybe even both at once in a three-way battle!
Imperial loyalists will be able to harness the might of Legios Astraman, Atarus, Ignatum, and Venator, each with their own reasons for standing against the Warmaster – with rules for doing so in your games, of course!
If you fight for Horus, god-machines of Legios Laniaskara, Kulisaetai, and Damicium will be available to you.
Fans of smaller war engines will also be able to discover new Knight Houses to ally with Titan maniples, or to use as full Household armies with the rules from the Doom of Molech expansion. Houses Col’khak, Moritain, Gotrith, and Vextrix can each bring their distinctive look and some useful traits to your games, along with detailed background on each household.
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Post by: Marshal Loss
Laniaskara and Damicium look fantastic
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Post by: SamusDrake
In the meantime, pick up some Reaver Titans and Questoris Knights and start planning which of the new Legios and Houses you’ll paint them as!
...I would rather play scrabble than order another box of questoris.
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Post by: Alpharius
Is there a card pack with this book too?
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Post by: ImAGeek
Yeah there are, the ‘open engine war’ card pack.
Get ready for engine war in no time with this handy pack of cards that enables you to choose or randomly generate your Deployment Map, Primary and Secondary Objectives, as well as any Planetary and Battlefield Effects in a matter of moments. You need never play the same mission twice!
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Post by: zedmeister
New mechanics knight models!
From sprues and brews
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Post by: SamusDrake
Zedmeister has spotted a new Titanicus model...
...AGAIN, IT IS THE LEGEND!
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Post by: zedmeister
SamusDrake wrote:Zedmeister has spotted a new Titanicus model...
...AGAIN, IT IS THE LEGEND!
What can I say?
Unfortunately, it looks like there’s a purchase of a new set of Questoris knights in your future
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Post by: Overread
I wonder if this means we might see those heavy-weapon super tanks that the Mechanicus use? Granted that's sort of edging toward Epic more than TL, but they are huge titanic tanks and who knows they might get a size upgrade. We know in the lore that the Imperium has some vast tanks and ground vehicles which might not be called titans, but are titanic in size
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Post by: zedmeister
Ordinatus? I’d say they’re definitely a candidate as they have Titan grade weaponry and are shielded. They could easily be added via a data card in a similar manner to knights
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Overread wrote:I wonder if this means we might see those heavy-weapon super tanks that the Mechanicus use? Granted that's sort of edging toward Epic more than TL, but they are huge titanic tanks and who knows they might get a size upgrade. We know in the lore that the Imperium has some vast tanks and ground vehicles which might not be called titans, but are titanic in size
Ordinatus - Minor and Major? Be cool but I am not sure they will do any vehicles.
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zedmeister wrote:
Unfortunately, it looks like there’s a purchase of a new set of Questoris knights in your future
Yeah, first thought I had Zed was "Aaaaaaaah crap, here we go again...."
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Post by: Sherrypie
Good thing I haven't even built most of my Questoris piles yet, more bits and variation on the horizon
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Ya those look sweet
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Post by: jullevi
New Mechanicum Knights look resin instead of plastic but I would love to be wrong. I have managed to avoid AT resin so far but I could make an exception this time.
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They look like they don't share any components with the Questoris plastic kit so I'll be surprised if they're resin. Would make more sense as a new sprue.
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xttz wrote:They look like they don't share any components with the Questoris plastic kit so I'll be surprised if they're resin. Would make more sense as a new sprue.
I agree that it would make more sense as a new sprue. I can't see any shared parts either. However, some of the parts look too three-dimensional to be produced in a mold that doesn't allow undercuts. This includes curved armour plates with cog trim, head of both knights and gun barrel on Malinax Knight.
Like I said, I would be happy to be wrong but they look like resin models.
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jullevi wrote: xttz wrote:They look like they don't share any components with the Questoris plastic kit so I'll be surprised if they're resin. Would make more sense as a new sprue.
I agree that it would make more sense as a new sprue. I can't see any shared parts either. However, some of the parts look too three-dimensional to be produced in a mold that doesn't allow undercuts. This includes curved armour plates with cog trim, head of both knights and gun barrel on Malinax Knight.
Like I said, I would be happy to be wrong but they look like resin models.
If you look closely the feet are the same, the back of the legs, the pistons at the groin level, the plating of the torso, the ornated name plate (just below the head), and the exhausts are also the same. To me, that is definitely the same chassis as the one from the existing questoris knights. Take a questoris model from your collection and compare it to the pics.
The curved armour plates will likely consist of several parts, like for the current Acastus knights.
In my humble opinion, this is a plastic kit.
I'll even add that I envision a Mechanicum knight household battleforce with 3x knight Styrix, 3x knight Magaera, 4x Cerastus knight Atropos, and 2x Acastus knight Porphyrion being the Christmas battleforce for Adeptus Titanicus.
That is just an educated guess based on my feeling regarding popularity of such models, the info black out regarding new models so far (except for various plates in the last two books), and the fact that the chassis is already existing for all 3 types which means less development time required.
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Post by: Crablezworth
I hope you're right, but it looks to me like it may be a hybrid plastic resin kit, really hoping you're right and it's all plastic.
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Post by: Wha-Mu-077
My bet is a resin upgrade kit for Questoris
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Post by: ListenToMeWarriors
Nice, I like this a lot. Luckily I have just finished painting up my Questoris Knights so my Adeptus Titanicus backlog is not too big. Hope we see a release before Christmas but given the events of this year...who knows?
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Post by: JWBS
Mendi Warrior wrote:
I'll even add that I envision a Mechanicum knight household battleforce with 3x knight Styrix, 3x knight Magaera, 4x Cerastus knight Atropos, and 2x Acastus knight Porphyrion being the Christmas battleforce for Adeptus Titanicus.
That is just an educated guess based on my feeling regarding popularity of such models, the info black out regarding new models so far (except for various plates in the last two books), and the fact that the chassis is already existing for all 3 types which means less development time required.
No I don't think so, Styrix and Magaera aren't yet available to buy and as far as we know Atropos don't even exist, and this is 2-4 weeks before any xmas bundles are announced. This theoretical bundle would also be mostly very new models, which I personally find less likely than something a bit older. Plus knights were last year. I think something with a Warbringer is more likely.
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Post by: xttz
Mendi Warrior wrote:
In my humble opinion, this is a plastic kit.
I'll even add that I envision a Mechanicum knight household battleforce with 3x knight Styrix, 3x knight Magaera, 4x Cerastus knight Atropos, and 2x Acastus knight Porphyrion being the Christmas battleforce for Adeptus Titanicus.
That is just an educated guess based on my feeling regarding popularity of such models, the info black out regarding new models so far (except for various plates in the last two books), and the fact that the chassis is already existing for all 3 types which means less development time required.
Xmas battleforces tend to be a way of clearing existing stock, not new models.
My money says that if there is an AT battleforce kit this year it'll have the Warbringer, as that has been out for some time. The Xmas 2021 box would totally focus on new Knights if we see a bunch in the next few months.
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Post by: Crablezworth
Yeah that'd make sense given the new maniple has all the titans in it for the first time so a good contender for a boxed set, warlord, warbringer, reaver, two warhounds.
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Post by: Overread
Sometimes I think the Xmas Battleforces are less about clearing stock than people think. I'm sure its part of it, but at the same time I'm sure most are custom cast up because if it was clearing stock then that's a lot of hours to spend unpacking already packed and sealed stock to then pack up again in to a new box and to then discount.
Plus as a result of Corona I'd wager GW isn't holding much stock at all right now that is really "excess".
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Post by: Chopstick
If they're on a standard plastic sprue that'll be plenty of leftover space.
I'll take any other Knights in plastic over this.
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Post by: ImAGeek
Overread wrote:Sometimes I think the Xmas Battleforces are less about clearing stock than people think. I'm sure its part of it, but at the same time I'm sure most are custom cast up because if it was clearing stock then that's a lot of hours to spend unpacking already packed and sealed stock to then pack up again in to a new box and to then discount.
Plus as a result of Corona I'd wager GW isn't holding much stock at all right now that is really "excess".
They’re not about releasing new products though, which is the original point.
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Post by: robbienw
I'd be very surprised if these aren't plastic, given all Knight kits have been plastic so far.
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Post by: Racerguy180
This very good news indeed. Maegera & Styrix are 2 of my favourite chassis variants and anytime we get more Mechanicum specific knights is just a bonus.
I hope that their weapons live up to the hype(in game). DAOT tech is always good.
Unfortunately I can see it being a hybrid resin/plastic kit. hoped it would be 100% plastic but I'm realistic.
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Post by: schoon
xttz wrote:They look like they don't share any components with the Questoris plastic kit so I'll be surprised if they're resin. Would make more sense as a new sprue.
Actually, it looks like they share rather a lot with the current Questoris kit.
Legs and chassis look the same. The difference is the carapace, head, and weapons. Could easily be done with an upgrade sprue.
That said, they could also do it in resin if so inclined, but given past history, I'm betting on the upgrade sprue.
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Post by: Chopstick
They made a whole new kit for Knight Acheron and Castigator even though the Lancer kits already have Acheron and Castigator heads and basically the skeleton so it's not something unheard of for Mechanicum to be a whole new kit. Even though it'll be a huge waste of cash to make the same exact parts in mold instead of making upgrade sprue and using leftover space for other thing like extra head or extra weapons.
Also the Acheron and Castigator kits don't have the tiny shield, because they ran out of space on the sprue.
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Post by: GoatboyBeta
Yeah after a new plastic kit for the Acheron and Castigator, Mechanicum Knights going full or partially resin would be disappointing.
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Post by: SamusDrake
Gonna go with a new plastic kit and in a similar fashion to the Cerastus variants kit.
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Post by: jullevi
I also think that plastic kit would make a sense and I would love to see one. My point was that the models in the picture do not look like plastic models because there are several details that don't look they came from steel mold, such as the curved cog trim, heads and weapons. It is possible that they are a resin conversion kit or pre-production 3D-prints but I am almost certain that the models in the picture are not plastic. I would love to be wrong.
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Post by: zedmeister
Another option is a plastic upgrade kit to be bundled into a new questoris box.
As an aside, looks like the Open Engine War cards have sold out from GW
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Post by: Wha-Mu-077
I will be honestly suprised if it turns out to be a plastic upgrade sprue
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Post by: CragHack
Open Engine cards were available for stockists as well, they weren't completely limited to webstore, so many retailers will still have them in stock.
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Post by: SamusDrake
jullevi wrote:I also think that plastic kit would make a sense and I would love to see one. My point was that the models in the picture do not look like plastic models because there are several details that don't look they came from steel mold, such as the curved cog trim, heads and weapons. It is possible that they are a resin conversion kit or pre-production 3D-prints but I am almost certain that the models in the picture are not plastic. I would love to be wrong.
Must admit that there is something about those photos...
You could be right in that Forgeworld will handle the Mechanicus Knights while GW work on a new titan...
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Post by: Blooddragon1981
Awful looking models
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Post by: SamusDrake
This is war, not a beauty contest!
I prefer the non-mechanicus models, being honest, but these seem a more simplified design where one doesn't need to worry about how they arm them.
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Post by: JWBS
The original Questoris do look a bit nicer, I decided this immediately but I can't quite put my finger on why. Maybe the decorative bits on the AM Knights are just more suited to 28mm scale or something, cos I do like the 40K Questoris. Still, won't complain about this release. maybe I'll skip them but they're still a welcome addition to the range.
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Post by: Chopstick
Nah they cut corner and messed up the Avenger gatling gun bits on the questoris. And they show the more detailed prototype one in the box and in the initial reveal photo.
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Post by: Racerguy180
I'm sure that the digital files for all the "new" knights will be used for titanicus. this bodes well for the rest of the knightly range to get filled out.
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Post by: twentypence
jullevi wrote:I also think that plastic kit would make a sense and I would love to see one. My point was that the models in the picture do not look like plastic models because there are several details that don't look they came from steel mold, such as the curved cog trim, heads and weapons. It is possible that they are a resin conversion kit or pre-production 3D-prints but I am almost certain that the models in the picture are not plastic. I would love to be wrong.
I agree, these definitely don't look like the plastic models, because the knee and thigh plates don't match the current plastic designs. Those parts do have more in common with the original Questoris knight promo shots, indicating that they could be pre-production prints as well.
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Post by: Plant
There's still a few card packs left at some uk FLGS of people are interested. I just got a pack from Goblin Gaming.
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Post by: Crablezworth
Well, we know all 3 questoris knights are on entirely on one sprue, so it does seem likely to be a resin kit or they re-used sections from the questoris for the sprue, we'll see.
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Post by: chaos0xomega
Racerguy180 wrote:I'm sure that the digital files for all the "new" knights will be used for titanicus. this bodes well for the rest of the knightly range to get filled out.
They've explained numerous times that it doesn't work that way and that they basically have to resculpt the majority of everything from one game to another in order to support proper production, having the files for one scale doesn't really get them very far for the other scale.
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Post by: RazorEdge
chaos0xomega wrote:Racerguy180 wrote:I'm sure that the digital files for all the "new" knights will be used for titanicus. this bodes well for the rest of the knightly range to get filled out.
They've explained numerous times that it doesn't work that way and that they basically have to resculpt the majority of everything from one game to another in order to support proper production, having the files for one scale doesn't really get them very far for the other scale.
I can confirm this. I'm using 3D Prints for Tabletop and Wargaming in Small Scales and rescaling doesn't work on every Model, on very few to be honest.
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Post by: gorgon
More Knights.
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Post by: SamusDrake
Cheer up chicken; if FW are handling this as a resin release then GW might be focusing on a new plastic kit...
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Post by: Chopstick
If that was resin then Atrapos is next, the actual Titan hunter. Not table decoration.
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Post by: JWBS
The Asterius, and that's everything (if we don't count Armigers). I'm sure they'll find a way to not release a brand new design immediately after whatever is last, Atropos or Asterius. Maybe they'll start releasing boxes with different combinations of existing minis or something.
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Post by: Sherrypie
Some rules https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/10/27/knight-time-magaera-and-styrix/
Looks like they're meaningfully different from the Questoris, which I like. It'll be interesting to see if those Concussive weapons on them could be used for some wacky maneuver trolling shenanigans.
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Post by: Crablezworth
They sound cool, the ability to regenerate hull points is awesome. Only downside now is waiting to see the point costs for everything.
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Post by: Sherrypie
Given that the grav-guns are the piddly little things mounted on their carapaces, I will be immensely amused if they have something like 3" range which will cause a large portion of thus shaken Titans to stumble on the knights themselves
"Hahaa, tremble, foolish God-Machine! You cannot stand against the might of..."
*splat*
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Post by: zedmeister
Ooo, nice. Quite different to your standard Questoris knights. A full banner of Styrix Knights gives you 12 voidbreaker shots - not to be sniffed at. Also, hints nicely towards what the Warlord Volkite Cannon may look like.
I also wonder if they'll bring the Blessed Autosimulacra to the Asterios at some point? May be a good excuse to re-work the Acastus Class perhaps...
Sherrypie wrote:Given that the grav-guns are the piddly little things mounted on their carapaces, I will be immensely amused if they have something like 3" range which will cause a large portion of thus shaken Titans to stumble on the knights themselves
"Hahaa, tremble, foolish God-Machine! You cannot stand against the might of..."
*splat*
I think the rational is because the graviton blast will muck about the Titan's suspensors and gyroscopic stablisers meaning they'll stumble all over the place. It'll create some amusing situations if it does have a very short range. No mention to the Irad cleaners on the siege claws but I suppose they're pretty much anti-infantry weapons.
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Post by: Sherrypie
Confirmed to be a FW resin kit on Facebook.
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Post by: zedmeister
Ah well. At least an upside is you'll have a load of spare Knight Questoris weapons to make things like dual Avenger Cannon Knights and Knight Crusaders, etc.
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Post by: Chopstick
So Atropos is next as plastic, good news.
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Post by: GoatboyBeta
zedmeister wrote: hints nicely towards what the Warlord Volkite Cannon may look like.
Wait, the what? Battle Titan scaled choom?
Sherrypie wrote:Confirmed to be a FW resin kit on Facebook.
Well that is disappointing. Probably going to be the same for the Atrapos and Asterius 
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Post by: zedmeister
GoatboyBeta wrote:zedmeister wrote: hints nicely towards what the Warlord Volkite Cannon may look like.
Wait, the what? Battle Titan scaled choom?
Indeed. Look through my OP spoiler, but back during the Vigilus Open Day, the following was hinted by the Forgeworld team:
There are plans for a titan Volkite weapon but this would be a rare relic and limited use within a maniple. Also, no idea yet which class of titan it would be mounted on.
Obviously, that's a few years ago, so who knows what plans they have now...?
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Post by: Prometheum5
Ugh, Mechanicus Knights being FW kits is a gigantic disappointment.
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Post by: Dysartes
I don't know, it seems rather apt to me.
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Post by: zedmeister
Based on that, I think we can assume the Atropos and Asterios will also be resin.
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Post by: Prometheum5
They look great for sure but they'll be four times as expensive and fiddly little kits.
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Post by: GoatboyBeta
Fingers crossed this means that the AT plastic budget is going towards the god engines themselves.
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Post by: Chopstick
No but unless they plan to cancel the game there will be more knight in plastic, and what more fitting than the titan hunter, made for Titan warfare itself? it'll be crazy if it isn't in plastic. Knight Styrix and Magaera were not made to fight Titan, they were made to fight tiny power armor soldiers.
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Post by: Crablezworth
Chopstick wrote:
No but unless they plan to cancel the game there will be more knight in plastic, and what more fitting than the titan hunter, made for Titan warfare itself? it'll be crazy if it isn't in plastic. Knight Styrix and Magaera were not made to fight Titan, they were made to fight tiny power armor soldiers.
True but my guess would be that like the porphyrion, the atropos will likely be limited in how many you can field due to its rarity. So in that sense resin wouldn't be the end of the world given its rarity, on the syrix and magaera side, it sound like fielding 4-6 will be pretty expensive.
FW did indeed confirm 100% resin kits for these guys, really thought they'd be plastic resin.
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Post by: zedmeister
Crablezworth wrote:FW did indeed confirm 100% resin kits for these guys, really thought they'd be plastic resin.
Just saw that. This'll be expensive. What you reckon, £16 per knight or two for £30? Based on previous patterns, these'll probably be up for pre order on the 6th or 13th November
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Post by: Sarouan
I'm happy to see more knights at somewhat 8mm scale, but...it's again another knight release for a game called Adeptus Titanicus.
It's somewhat a bit sad there are so many knight variants and...not so much as what should the stars of the game, the Titans themselves ?
Rulewise, I'm not sure it's a great idea to put those on the new knights. I mean, do we really need Void Shield stripping knights in the game... ? What role can the knights not fill anymore in the game, in the end ?
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Post by: SamusDrake
Yet another let down for 2020...
Love the rules, and the models are decent, but would only consider a FW product if the local Warhammer Stores could order it in. No doubt these chaps will be £15-ish for a single knight on top of £3.50 postage, so thats about £33.50 for just two Questoris knights.
The silver lining to this cloud is that GW are free to work on a plastic titan instead...
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Post by: Crablezworth
Really hoping this doesn't mean they'll be doing the other warbringer options in resin. Automatically Appended Next Post: zedmeister wrote: Crablezworth wrote:FW did indeed confirm 100% resin kits for these guys, really thought they'd be plastic resin.
Just saw that. This'll be expensive. What you reckon, £16 per knight or two for £30?
Based on previous patterns, these'll probably be up for pre order on the 6th or 13th November
I guess it depends how the try and sell them, my guess is it would be one of each in a pack of two, but who knows what the banner size will be. If a warlord arm is 30, buy guess is 60-80 for two knights.
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Post by: SamusDrake
Given there was no accompanying kit for Crucibal of Retribution...could these resin knights be up for pre-order this friday?
Even Doom of Molech had the pleasure of a terrain kit as well as a card deck...
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Post by: ImAGeek
SamusDrake wrote:Given there was no accompanying kit for Crucibal of Retribution...could these resin knights be up for pre-order this friday?
Even Doom of Molech had the pleasure of a terrain kit as well as a card deck...
Nah, they’ve started saying what’s up for preorder this week from Forge World in the Sunday articles. It’s the 40k book and the Necromunda doctor this Friday.
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Post by: xttz
zedmeister wrote: Crablezworth wrote:FW did indeed confirm 100% resin kits for these guys, really thought they'd be plastic resin.
Just saw that. This'll be expensive. What you reckon, £16 per knight or two for £30?
Based on previous patterns, these'll probably be up for pre order on the 6th or 13th November
It's £30 for two resin Vultures so that seems pretty likely.
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Post by: gorgon
I think it's crystal clear now that AT isn't high on the priority list for plastics manufacturing, so they're selling what they can -- books, cards, resin -- in the meantime to keep the lights on.
They're probably sitting on the Warbringer variant and maybe even a new Titan chassis (Rapier?) until they can get some machine time. Is what it is.
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Post by: SamusDrake
ImAGeek wrote:SamusDrake wrote:Given there was no accompanying kit for Crucibal of Retribution...could these resin knights be up for pre-order this friday?
Even Doom of Molech had the pleasure of a terrain kit as well as a card deck...
Nah, they’ve started saying what’s up for preorder this week from Forge World in the Sunday articles. It’s the 40k book and the Necromunda doctor this Friday.
Ah, I forgot about those. Automatically Appended Next Post: gorgon wrote:I think it's crystal clear now that AT isn't high on the priority list for plastics manufacturing, so they're selling what they can -- books, cards, resin -- in the meantime to keep the lights on.
They're probably sitting on the Warbringer variant and maybe even a new Titan chassis (Rapier?) until they can get some machine time. Is what it is.
I'd go with this, because Blackstone Fortress is still being sold but temporarily out of stock, and is the same for the new Marine and Necron ranges.
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Post by: JWBS
They're putting significant resources into the Indomitus MtO for December. The last time supply was this patchy was just before Indomitus initial release, and it got back to normal as soon as that was done (this was well into the Covid lockdown period).
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Post by: Soundtheory
And confirmed to not be just an upgrade kit, but full resin miniature.  Why buy a plastic Titan when you can get a resin knight for the same price?
Saves me money. Plastic would have been auto buy, FW resin easy pass.
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JWBS wrote:They're putting significant resources into the Indomitus MtO for December. The last time supply was this patchy was just before Indomitus initial release, and it got back to normal as soon as that was done (this was well into the Covid lockdown period).
I dunno, considering how many sets and half sets are still around I wonder if they had a fair few cancelled orders of Indomitus after the initial hype wore off. More likely its building up stock for Christmas bundle sets that is now taking up a lions share of production excess.
That is assuming GW still does them this year of course.
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Post by: changemod
I guess wake me up when the they release a second faction? We’re running low on material at this stage unless they’re gonna tap into the alternative plastic 40k knights.
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Post by: Overread
Seeing a knight in resin actually makes me a bit excited that it might mean there's a bit of a lag in new plastic. Which might mean they are gearing up for something big like Chaos Warped Titans or Xenos Titans. So they bundle in a resin knight to tide people over since the resin mould production is much cheaper.
I do hope they make a bold step; right now its mirror armies in terms of visuals and whilst that is fine, it does mean that it feels hobbled. AN is already flying out with Orks and Tau and likely more xenos and chaos to come so AT really needs to step up the game. Advance the timeline a little and start to get some more non-imperial titans
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Post by: gorgon
They have multiple Imperial Titan chassis in development and they’re still exploring the Heresy. Xenos aren’t coming for a long time. Corrupted Titans...yeah, we’ve seen references to them in the rules so they can’t be too far out. AT mostly just needs more consistent support, not some dramatic change of scope.
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Post by: Nostromodamus
Oh yay more Adeptus Knightanicus
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Post by: Chopstick
Sarouan wrote:I'm happy to see more knights at somewhat 8mm scale, but...it's again another knight release for a game called Adeptus Titanicus.
It's somewhat a bit sad there are so many knight variants and...not so much as what should the stars of the game, the Titans themselves ?
Rulewise, I'm not sure it's a great idea to put those on the new knights. I mean, do we really need Void Shield stripping knights in the game... ? What role can the knights not fill anymore in the game, in the end ?
Currently there're 5 Titan chasis vs 4 Knight chasis. If you count weapon options as variant Titans easily beat Knights in variety, if you play the game then you know the Titan come with massive bonus from their legio and maniple while knight's rule is. ...badly written and terrible. Also official rule put some hefty restriction on them too in case you really want to be that guy with Knights.
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Post by: schoon
gorgon wrote:They have multiple Imperial Titan chassis in development...
What's your source on this? Just curious.
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Post by: SamusDrake
That is from a presentation or Q&A they held at an event well over a year ago. The highlights were on the front page of this thread at one point.
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Post by: gorgon
Looks like you're the one who wrote this up:
- - They have more Titans in the works
- - One scout lighter than Warhound
- - Between Warhound and Reaver
- - Between Reaver and Warlord
- - Between Warlord and Imperator
Garro also shared this from one of the weekenders:
Future plastic releases plan include new titan chassis. they’ve got a loose plan for another six at least, one slightly bigger, and one slightly smaller than each of the three existing Titans.
If you're asking if anyone has updated confirmation, I think that's a no. Although the Rapier has been popping up in the books, so that one seems pretty likely and fills the lightest slot.
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Post by: zedmeister
Well, the Nemesis is the between Reaver and Warlord Titan and the Rapier is the lighter Titan. The apocalypse class has recently appeared in the lore and is meant to be heavier than a Warlord.
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