Probably just a mini sprue with two of each lower arm to toss in the box and bump the price up a tad, just like the missile pods for the questoris knights.
Upgrade sprue is certainly possible. But the shoulder pads don't look like they are covering the Lancers to my eye and the legs seem to be in different positions, so fingers crossed.
Knight Magaera and Styrix on the Defence of Ryza cover as well While they are probably photoshoped 40k models I cant see them being on the cover without rules and kits on the way.
tneva82 wrote: Or FW resin upgrades ala many warlord weapons. Not going to be big seller likely anyway so resin rather than plastic makes sense.
The models previewed today are all-plastic for sure. The Magaera et al might be resin upgrades but so far we don’t even have rules for them so who knows if they’re even going to be a thing? Of course being on a cover makes that more likely but it guaranteed yet.
I'm never going to turn up my nose at an AT release, although I have to admit that more knight variants don't move the needle much for me. *shrug* Happy for the household players though.
The mention of the crusade legion list makes me wonder if Ryza will be somewhat of a compilation book? The studio previously indicated that the Kado book would be next. Maybe this one was lower-hanging fruit?
tneva82 wrote: Or FW resin upgrades ala many warlord weapons. Not going to be big seller likely anyway so resin rather than plastic makes sense.
The models previewed today are all-plastic for sure. The Magaera et al might be resin upgrades but so far we don’t even have rules for them so who knows if they’re even going to be a thing? Of course being on a cover makes that more likely but it guaranteed yet.
Based on what? Has it been confirmed?
If they are odd choice to spend limited plastic kits to have 2 full sprue for niche knights one which stinks. Not selling much.
Hopefully at least not in kit of 1 of each. Pay for useless paperweight to get semi useful knight
Ah, just as I'm ready to rage-quit the game they suck us back in with wallet bait.
Had a feeling they would be a new kit as the shoulder pads were different, and that seems to be the case for the legs too. Defense of Ryza could be a must-have.
Could the Magaera be packaged as a Cerastus Lancer plastic kit with alternative resin pieces? Hmmm.
tneva82 wrote: Or FW resin upgrades ala many warlord weapons. Not going to be big seller likely anyway so resin rather than plastic makes sense.
The models previewed today are all-plastic for sure. The Magaera et al might be resin upgrades but so far we don’t even have rules for them so who knows if they’re even going to be a thing? Of course being on a cover makes that more likely but it guaranteed yet.
Based on what? Has it been confirmed?
If they are odd choice to spend limited plastic kits to have 2 full sprue for niche knights one which stinks. Not selling much.
Hopefully at least not in kit of 1 of each. Pay for useless paperweight to get semi useful knight
Yes, it’s confirmed in the article that they’re plastic.
gorgon wrote: I'm never going to turn up my nose at an AT release, although I have to admit that more knight variants don't move the needle much for me. *shrug* Happy for the household players though.
I'm excited about the Styrix & Magaera. I've been eyeing both of them to add to my 40k knights so the Titanicus scale will be a must buy.
other than the Warbringer they havent released a new chassis(pai-titan is warlord)of titan in a while. They've been on a knight kick(which isnt a bad thing. I WANT ARMIGERS & ATROPOS!).
I've been hoping for more scout titans with some really weird weapons. the natix & harpoon add some cool stuff to the warhound but a rapier chassis would be a cool option in addition to it.
Aye, we need the Saturnye Lascutter on the Warlord for one as well as carapace meltas. Not to mention, more plasma options as well as the colossal Volkite cannon...
I'd much rather they use their limited sprue allotment to give us whole new chassis and do the oddball weapons in resin. It'd be nice to have absolutely everything in plastic of course, but the reality is they only get X number of sprues a year and it'd be good if they could finish up the Imperial engine releases some time before I reach retirement age
I too would like to see more Titan stuff. Again, I'm happy for household players and collectors, and just happy for the continuing support. But for many players, more Knight variants aren't terribly consequential for the game itself.
I'm thinking/hoping this was a low-hanging fruit release, and that we'll still get the Kado book before the end of the year. That has the potential to be more interesting for more players IMO. But maybe there are releases tied to Ryza that we haven't seen yet. Who knows.
gorgon wrote: I too would like to see more Titan stuff. Again, I'm happy for household players and collectors, and just happy for the continuing support. But for many players, more Knight variants aren't terribly consequential for the game itself.
I'm thinking/hoping this was a low-hanging fruit release, and that we'll still get the Kado book before the end of the year. That has the potential to be more interesting for more players IMO. But maybe there are releases tied to Ryza that we haven't seen yet. Who knows.
Well looking on the bright side, there's only a few low-hanging releases left to cross off the list before we're on to new stuff. There's what, two or three AM Knights (Atropos, the AM Acastus, Magaera and Styrix), the Valiant/Castellan variants, maybe the Canis Rex upgrades, potentially some Armigers, and then every option we have in 28mm scale is exhausted?
gorgon wrote: I too would like to see more Titan stuff. Again, I'm happy for household players and collectors, and just happy for the continuing support. But for many players, more Knight variants aren't terribly consequential for the game itself.
I'm thinking/hoping this was a low-hanging fruit release, and that we'll still get the Kado book before the end of the year. That has the potential to be more interesting for more players IMO. But maybe there are releases tied to Ryza that we haven't seen yet. Who knows.
Well looking on the bright side, there's only a few low-hanging releases left to cross off the list before we're on to new stuff. There's what, two or three AM Knights (Atropos, the AM Acastus, Magaera and Styrix), the Valiant/Castellan variants, maybe the Canis Rex upgrades, potentially some Armigers, and then every option we have in 28mm scale is exhausted?
They could do a Chaos Questoris with the multi-jointed legs and laser destructor if you want full parity. (Which I do! )
The old fluff about the battle for Kado (which will certainly evolve, mind you) involves Slaaneshi Knights and various daemon engines. Seems like a safe bet for the arrival of corrupted Titans.
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Racerguy180 wrote: I'm excited about the Styrix & Magaera. I've been eyeing both of them to add to my 40k knights so the Titanicus scale will be a must buy.
other than the Warbringer they havent released a new chassis(pai-titan is warlord)of titan in a while. They've been on a knight kick(which isnt a bad thing. I WANT ARMIGERS & ATROPOS!).
I've been hoping for more scout titans with some really weird weapons. the natix & harpoon add some cool stuff to the warhound but a rapier chassis would be a cool option in addition to it.
Selfishly as an Audax player, I would love for the Rapier to arrive and give me another Titan option. If the Rapier came with some kind of melee option, that would be pretty incredible.
The Canis Rex weapons? I'd guess that's least likely tbh, given that it's the most niche, and also the fact that they could possibly have put it on the existing upgrade sprue if we were meant to have it.
If they wanted to double dip, they could make a couple of new chassis that share weapons with existing ones and add new weapon options there.
Take the Nemesis Warbringer, which shares arm weapons with the Reaver (I wish the Reaver had arm magnet sockets like the Warbringer did however) They could even expand on the same frame.
Imagine a plain Warbringer, not a nemesis variant. Delete the Carapace heavy mount and AA turrets. Pull the two void shield banks into a central ridge, and give it a pair of warlord carapace mounting points. Then for arms, give it a pair of Plasma Destructors, and a pair of carapace support missile mounts. Then card wise, make the plasma destructors a reaver arm and the carapace a warlord carapace, and let the new Warbringer mount any reaver arm guns or warlord carapace guns. Then you have a new model that current players will want for new weapons on existing titans, and also a new chassis with ready access to multiple carapace guns and arm weapons.
They could do the same with a Rapier scout as well. Small, pair of melee weapons, and single carapace mount that fits a reaver carapace with a Plasma Blastgun or Inferno cannon option. Then it could also take the Vulcan Bolter or Turbolaser from the current Reaver carapaces, if not add that into plastic. Imagine the Subjugator Hell Titan pre-chaos, with a reaver turret in place of a scorpion tail gun.
Good spot, Chopstick. Since the Lancers' bodies and weapons are on a single sprue, I'd imagine that the pictured Acheron and Castigator box will have a different single sprue, rather than being the Lancer sprue and an upgrade – otherwise the box would almost certainly include them on the label.
Other than that, just chiming in to say that I'm happy to see AT continue to get releases, but also to join the choir saying I'd prefer new Titan stuff to Knights.
The lizard-rat thingies could be handy for DOM's beast hunt. Just saying.
As for more titans, I say steady on. We've just had the Warbringer and Ordo and I'm sure the Ursus claws will be with us shortly. Life is actually good at the moment!
That said, I'm considering going back to straight maniples and freeblades now that the knight force rules are too awkward. Some new titans would be welcome all the same.
I'm sure we're getting that too. GW love to drip-feed content out slowly, so I'm sure they're keeping back something to reveal at Adepticon or the next Engine Kill article. Probably the next Warbringer or a FW corrupted titan.
Nostromodamus wrote: I wonder if it’s just one of each or if you could make two acherons or two castigators.
Looks like just 1 Archeron and 1 Castigator at the moment.
Its at this point GW could rethink the Castigator bolt cannon. It appears to be two avenger cannons clamped together but with shorter barrels; would it not make sense for it to have the shorter range, but a strength four attack? Also, where a Questoris loadout of an avenger and melee combo comes to 10 points, the similar Castigator option costs 20 points. The melee advantage is better but the range for the Boltcannon is less, and rolls one dice less.
It also pays to consider the difference in loadouts for the Cerastus and Questoris; A single cerastus can only be armed with a single bolt cannon, and the banner size is 4 knights. On the other hand, a Questoris knight can have two avengers, and the banner is 6 knights. Potentially, thats 4 boltcannons against 12 avengers. As the game stands now, the Castigator isn't exactly an attractive choice when the C-Lancer is simply better, for the same points.
Alternatively, freeblades could have a "sustained fire" order. If successful, the banner cannot move in the movement phase, but increases the strength of their cannons in the combat phase. This would be a good alternative to the coordinated strike order for lances. It also adds more risk'n'strategy into the game; do you dare your knights to stand still for stronger firepower?
SamusDrake wrote: The lizard-rat thingies could be handy for DOM's beast hunt. Just saying.
Ha, that's a cool idea!
As for more titans, I say steady on. We've just had the Warbringer and Ordo and I'm sure the Ursus claws will be with us shortly. Life is actually good at the moment! That said, I'm considering going back to straight maniples and freeblades now that the knight force rules are too awkward. Some new titans would be welcome all the same.
Fair enough; but don't take it as complaining – it's all lovely; I'm just waiting with ill-concealed impatience for things like Devotional Bells, energy whips and more stuff to help us customise our Titans, like different heads, armour plates and so forth.
I can't help but feel that GW is holding a titan or two back to have something for a duel "Imperial VS Corrupted Chaos" and "Imperial VS Xenos" boxed sets.
I guess anything is possible, but the marketing plan for AT doesn't seem to be built around 40K-style 'versus' boxed sets. And xenos titans are almost certainly far away, as the studio keeps saying.
Infernal variants are the only thing besides more "regular" God-Engines that we should see for the game. They've specifically stated multiple times that AT is about the Heresy exclusively. Maybe at a later point they'll have a Crusade version w Orks & Eldar.
I'm very sure that AT was done in the Heresy period purely because it halved the investment required to make it work (because they only needed to produce one line of titans). Considering how well its selling I'm sure that GW will be looking to invest into proper "Chaos" titans with warped parts.
I suspect the first we'll see will use the frames of things like the warlord and then have warped armour and weapons bolted on top. Building toward fully chaos warped titans that look nothing like their current versions.
Overread wrote: I'm very sure that AT was done in the Heresy period purely because it halved the investment required to make it work (because they only needed to produce one line of titans). Considering how well its selling I'm sure that GW will be looking to invest into proper "Chaos" titans with warped parts.
Everything old is new again - and it isn't like they were trying to hide it - they even nicked the name!
...I wonder what else they'll have in Defense of Ryza. Creating a Legio was done in last year's White Dwarf but strictly forbidden in the last tournament, so it could be those rules revised. Also hoping for some pictures of upcoming knights and titans.
I'm just hoping to get Ursus claws and shock lances in the near future. It's awesome that my Legio (Audax) has its rules, but it'd be nice to get the gear they teased weeks ago...
I'm being realistic about Audax transfers and assuming I won't get those for months. And that's okay.
Alpharius wrote: Does anyone know what's taking Forge World so long on getting the Psi-Titan back in stock?
It feels like it's been sold out since the first few days of its release?
It's been back in stock in the UK...and therefore presumably ROW. But the North American warehouse seems to get stocked infrequently, and when they do it's with very little inventory. I'm still waiting for one good thing for NA customers as a result of that warehouse. It's baffling.
And overall, like I always say -- it's usually best to think of FW as three guys operating out of a garage. Love their stuff...I'm a fan. But their production strategies and schedules are unexplainable at times. Think of them as a garage operation just winging it, and it'll calm your mind.
Alpharius wrote: Does anyone know what's taking Forge World so long on getting the Psi-Titan back in stock?
It feels like it's been sold out since the first few days of its release?
It's been back in stock in the UK...and therefore presumably ROW. But the North American warehouse seems to get stocked infrequently, and when they do it's with very little inventory. I'm still waiting for one good thing for NA customers as a result of that warehouse. It's baffling.
And overall, like I always say -- it's usually best to think of FW as three guys operating out of a garage. Love their stuff...I'm a fan. But their production strategies and schedules are explainable at times. Think of them as a garage operation just winging it, and it'll calm your mind.
I honestly don't understand why they don't have a small casting team in the USA like they used to for metal GW models before Kirby's slash & burn costcutting. It's not like they're going to run into a China situation where the factory might do "extra" runs for personal profit, in America GW could retain very tight control. Is working with resin casting a particularly highly paid position in America or something?
Yodhrin wrote: I honestly don't understand why they don't have a small casting team in the USA like they used to for metal GW models before Kirby's slash & burn costcutting. It's not like they're going to run into a China situation where the factory might do "extra" runs for personal profit, in America GW could retain very tight control.
They were doing just that - they were caught more than once casting up stuff before the release date and selling them on from their own profit.
The new knights being 4 to a box is a big surprise, but not an unwelcome one. I'll definitely pick a box up to add to my pile of unbuilt knights.
gorgon wrote: I'm just hoping to get Ursus claws and shock lances in the near future. It's awesome that my Legio (Audax) has its rules, but it'd be nice to get the gear they teased weeks ago...
I'm being realistic about Audax transfers and assuming I won't get those for months. And that's okay.
At least you're in the enviable position of playing a Titan Legion whose popularity borderline guarantees you will actually receive transfers! Would that we all be so lucky
xttz wrote: Some better photos of the new knights from the AT Facebook group:
Spoiler:
Looks like it's two of each type per box, so probably £35-40.
And if I want four Acheron for a full squad but only two castigator for display because they’re useless for gameplay?
It’s still better than the prediction of 1 of each per box.
Being 4 per box means it’s likely to have a slight discount over a pair per box.
Also, pretty sure ebay can be used here.
I’ll likely buy 2 sets and eBay the ones I don’t want or find another use for them.
Can always hang on to them too incase FW or GW drop a different pack or upgrade.
I thnk part of the reason there's no USA FW factory is because GW isn't quite sure what its doing with FW in itself.
There's clearly some internal issues going on - FW formed an AoS team; then disbanded it after they only made a few alternate heads; then this last winter they stripped out a good number of models.
Plus about the only AoS army that got any of its FW models shown off in a big way on the community pages when they got a new Battletome was Gloomspite Gitz - who surprise surprise didn't lose any in the recent slash of models.However a large number of "destruction only" models which didn't get any showing even when Destruction finally got some new tomes for orruks and the like - were removed.
There's also other oddities as well. Plus the specialist games suddenly doing way better than GW even hoped for.
All in all I think FW is still stuck in a very odd position - odder still in so much as GW central can now do big models, likely cheaper in terms of production time; and bigger than FW could do- all in plastic that the consumer market loves way more than resin
I just get the feeling that GW doesn't want to close FW, but also doesn't really want to expand it fully as its own thing either too much
And if I want four Acheron for a full squad but only two castigator for display because they’re useless for gameplay?
Hopefully they'll update the rules for the bolt cannon, upping the strength to 4.
For the time being they can be useful for stripping void shields when used as a lance banner. While the Questoris with their avenger cannons are better, they aren't as fast nor durable as the Cerastus.
Wonder if Lancers will get a re-box to four models too.
A welcome possibility, although I suspect they released the variants as such to provide at least one legit lance banner, which the C-Lancer set already provides.
Marshal Loss wrote: The new knights being 4 to a box is a big surprise, but not an unwelcome one. I'll definitely pick a box up to add to my pile of unbuilt knights.
gorgon wrote: I'm just hoping to get Ursus claws and shock lances in the near future. It's awesome that my Legio (Audax) has its rules, but it'd be nice to get the gear they teased weeks ago...
I'm being realistic about Audax transfers and assuming I won't get those for months. And that's okay.
At least you're in the enviable position of playing a Titan Legion whose popularity borderline guarantees you will actually receive transfers! Would that we all be so lucky
Am I though? We've seen legios that aren't released yet get transfers, while others are still waiting. That's the garage operation, right there. But like I said, I'm not sweating those.
Now, the claws/lances...those I'll have a tiny bit of anxiety about until they're actually made available. Because I know The Legend of the Atomantic Pavise.
Plus NA will probably be allotted 30 copies that will sell out in the first four minutes.
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Overread wrote: I just get the feeling that GW doesn't want to close FW, but also doesn't really want to expand it fully as its own thing either too much
I honestly don't understand why they don't have a small casting team in the USA like they used to for metal GW models before Kirby's slash & burn costcutting. It's not like they're going to run into a China situation where the factory might do "extra" runs for personal profit, in America GW could retain very tight control. Is working with resin casting a particularly highly paid position in America or something?
Apparently their previous US operation had a bad reputation for casting up a fair amount on the side when it was running (at least so the rumour goes passed on from a variety of folks who were around at the time)
let the casters out of Nottingham and they can go rogue
but it does sound as if it might be worth another try (at least for stuff they can 3D print masters for), they'd just have to run the numbers to see is hiring some managers, mould makers, casters etc and an appropriate site would make financial sense. Even if there is demand it might not support what they'd want to do
SamusDrake wrote: A bit strange they haven't already released the Ursus Claws.
Should be up for an Engine Kill article next week, so heres hoping.
They ought to have made the ursus claw and shock lance into a plastic MI I sprue with an extra set of thigh pads so you can build both warhounds as loyal or traitor from one box.
I'm really excited for the new Cerastus kit since its confirmed they're 4 to a box.
We can hope the range of poseablility is similar or greater than the Lancers, given how variable they are.. the heads having a little more variation in them would be nice as well. Looks like some reinforcements will be making a warp exit soon....hopefully.
I'm very much hoping the 4 box will let us build four of either Knight, as I have a lot of Lancers and I'm not super keen on the look of them, so ideally I'd like to use four of my Lancers into something else with this box (if it has 4x Arch and 4x Castigator options).
SamusDrake wrote: A bit strange they haven't already released the Ursus Claws.
Should be up for an Engine Kill article next week, so heres hoping.
They ought to have made the ursus claw and shock lance into a plastic MI I sprue with an extra set of thigh pads so you can build both warhounds as loyal or traitor from one box.
So what plastic sprue you would have given up in return? Warmonger? Knight? Warlord alt sprue?
Rule writer cannot figure out how to implement gatling weapons in the game, so he just gave up. Massively reduced number of shots, new rule to make sure the smaller gatling weapon can't pierce void shields, wrong range/ shot scaling between the different gatling weapons. And just straight up delete a weapon (vulcan mega bolter from Arioch fist)
James Hewitt has done an interview for Goonhammer. Lots of interesting talk on design and how Titanicus was switch, last second, from Resin to Plastic because of the success of Blood Bowl:
As freeblades, yes, as part of a lance banner - which this set will provide - no.
Obviously you can use coordinated strike which, so long as the command test is successful, makes the Castigator very useful for stripping shields while closing in for the kill.
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zedmeister wrote: James Hewitt has done an interview for Goonhammer. Lots of interesting talk on design and how Titanicus was switch, last second, from Resin to Plastic because of the success of Blood Bowl:
Also interesting is the scale mechanic and close combat...
That was a very interesting read, especially with Knights having their own game. We play a home made skirmish version of AT which works like Kill Team - a Titan is basically a Commander, and a Knight Scion is otherwise the leader. Each model just needs a single dice to track its wounds on the table. Thinking about adding the Arvus Lighter for dropping off supplies'n'troops or picking up vital cargo.
Pretty good conversion. Fairly close in scale too. Add another inch to the shin bastions and the proportions would match up quite to the existing model and art.
I made an Adeptus Titanicus list builder for Windows, called RosterMan (because it's a generic Roster Manager that can handle any point based war game system). Here is the link to the beta version:
I've just run my maniple and support through the program and all seems well.
Just two things at this time; Once created or loaded a battlegroup there doesn't seem to be a way to start a new battlegroup nor Household. The other thing is that "Exit" from the file menu isn't available.
This is something I was thinking of programming myself but I like your program very much. Is this an open source project per chance?
Your Tool is very cool!
I did a quick Maniple and it was very intuitive.
I'm using Battlescribe for all my other games, but the AT plugin doesn't work very well.
Yours is better.
@SamusDrake:
RosterMan is not open source, and it is not currently something I am considering. However, RosterMan IS a generic Roster Manager for any point based army game, and the source files for Adeptus Titanicus are 100% editable. I have exhaustive notes that I need to convert to documentation on how to utilize the power of the rules engine. If you are interested in doing that, then I can put making documentation higher on my list.
You CAN start a new household or group in a couple of ways.
1. Delete your household or battlegroup. In the empty list create a new HouseHold or Battlegroup and choose File-Save as to save as a new list.
2. Choose Edit-Add Top Level Item to add a household or group to the top level. Note that this creates a second list in your file, and everything will take longer to validate. I would generally advise a one file per list way of doing things.
@LocalHoRst
Thanks a ton for the kind words. Please make sure to share your experience and the download link!
Just out of curiosity, how is Battlescribe for something like 40K? Better? Because my main reason for making this was a frustration with how un-intuitive I found everything in Battlescribe. List building should be simple (building a list builder is hard, lol)
Pretty good conversion. Fairly close in scale too. Add another inch to the shin bastions and the proportions would match up quite to the existing model and art.
I'm interested in trying to make one. Add in a couple prominent Mechanicum logos, the pipes from the manufactorum kit & some 40k scale Admech bits and bam Imperator. I have basically no interest in the Warlord itself as i prefer Reavers & Warhounds, but as a basis for stuff hell yeah. Psy-Titans, Imperator.
RobertDD wrote: @SamusDrake:
@LocalHoRst
Thanks a ton for the kind words. Please make sure to share your experience and the download link!
Just out of curiosity, how is Battlescribe for something like 40K? Better? Because my main reason for making this was a frustration with how un-intuitive I found everything in Battlescribe. List building should be simple (building a list builder is hard, lol)
It is more intuitive. The person who wrote the files for AT tried to create a list and status terminal in one. But, if you are not familiar with the gaminge mechanisms you aren't able to differentiate.
Actually I use BS, because it supports all my games and has a mobile app.
Malika2 wrote: Hmm, yet again the Traitor Legions are all kinda reddish or black, was kinda hoping for some variation there...
Haven't seen Vulturum yet!
It'll be blackish red trimmed with reddish black. To differentiate them from the reddish or black ones Mailka referred to. I'm doing Suturvora in a black grey base, but its hard to do the bad guys in anything but dark, brooding colors.
I'm interested in what changes they've made to the DIY Legios, they say "expanded", and the example of the Elite Magos Trait is a nerf to that Trait.
I just released an update to my program RosterMan (which is a List builder for Adeptus Titanicus) that includes all Shadow and Iron Titan content (but NOT the new knight houses yet!), which includes the new weapons too. I made a few minor changes to other things as well, and included the Miracles of Mars Stratagem from the White Dwarf. This means that, as far as I know, if you build a Battlegroup, all resources and rules currently available for the game are in RosterMan.
Download link: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1lrUFBWo_63FMWMBevanIBwobN5K1gp3u
"Knight Castigators have bolt cannons that fire a huge number of shots, making them ideal for stripping multiple void shields off a target."
...but now its ideal as a "close combat option"? So what are the Lancers and Archerons for then? Lets also have a quick comparision to a Questoris using additional marshal points...
...while the Questoris is slightly weaker and slower, its packing a lot more weaponry, with the Avenger also being superior to the Bolt cannon. Say the Bolt cannon and Sword are 10 points each against the Avenger'n'melee of 5 pts each...this isn't well thought out.
***Edited for incorrectly referencing melta gun as "thermal gun".
I don't think there's any way around it...they just aren't very good.
Meanwhile, I'm hoping that Ursus Claws are ready and waiting in the warehouse. But since those would be FW AND a new release, I'm guessing we won't see them for quite some time.
Not a single new picture, or picture of the sprue.
Also article writer aren't rule writer, and their job is to sell the kit, so they just have to write with whatever they got.
With the current mechanic of the game, it's pretty much impossible to balance out high number of shot weapon vs void shield. In the old 40k edition void shield had an armor value so you can't just simply win by spamming weak weapons, a simple solution solved decade ago.
Although I'd say gatling weapon would be very useful against tiny marine and guardsmen.
"Knight Castigators have bolt cannons that fire a huge number of shots, making them ideal for stripping multiple void shields off a target."
...but now its ideal as a "close combat option"? So what are the Lancers and Archerons for then? Lets also have a quick comparision to a Questoris using additional marshal points...
Should they have kept incorrect text? The castigators are useless for stripping void shields. They won't strip even 1. If you take them to strip void shields you are just misusing them. You don't take something to strip void shields when said thing CANNOT strip void shields.
And pretty sure your questor is illegal. Can't have 3 arm weapons...Why would you even compare illegal loadout to legal one?
Should they have kept incorrect text? The castigators are useless for stripping void shields. They won't strip even 1. If you take them to strip void shields you are just misusing them. You don't take something to strip void shields when said thing CANNOT strip void shields.
And pretty sure your questor is illegal. Can't have 3 arm weapons...Why would you even compare illegal loadout to legal one?
I pointed out a clear contradiction in the intention for the Castigator and backed it up with text from an official White Dwarf article. And come on, I did mention that the Lancer and Archeron were better suited for the role of close quarters, which begs the question why would any player take the Castigator over them? My argument has always been that the Bolt cannon should have a strength of 4 - for reasons I have previously discussed in length.
RazorEdge wrote: I hope we will see Planes(, Vehicles and Infantry) in a Future Book....
I dont. It wouldn't be Adeptus Titanicus then.
Oddly I had a dream last night about seeing a bunch of fw kits for titans, like new heads and Legio specific armor plates. There are so many options still to do.
I wonder if the fw store will open soon, if there will be a backlog of releases that means more AT together.
RazorEdge wrote: I hope we will see Planes(, Vehicles and Infantry) in a Future Book....
I dont. It wouldn't be Adeptus Titanicus then.
This. AT is fine as it is precisely because it doesn't include everything and can thus ruleswise focus on doing one side of galactic warfare well. A new version of Epic already came out, it's called Apocalypse and it plays quite well with 6 mm miniatures, give it a try if older rules ain't doing it for you.
RazorEdge wrote: I hope we will see Planes(, Vehicles and Infantry) in a Future Book....
I dont. It wouldn't be Adeptus Titanicus then.
This. AT is fine as it is precisely because it doesn't include everything and can thus ruleswise focus on doing one side of galactic warfare well. A new version of Epic already came out, it's called Apocalypse and it plays quite well with 6 mm miniatures, give it a try if older rules ain't doing it for you.
I'll agree that it wouldnt be Titanicus, but wish they would do a new version of Epic in the same 8mm scale.
At could introduce plans, but I agree it doesn't want to phase in planes and tanks an infantry. When you hear the game designers they are also very clear that AT is about the Titans only. If they ever do an Epic game its going to be totally its own rules system and focus.
Plus there's room for both. In Epic titans become far more streamlined and simpler to use simply because you're controlling a lot of other things too. So you've got AT for duels and battles between titans alone and then Epic for large scale wars - if it comes around again.
RazorEdge wrote: I hope we will see Planes(, Vehicles and Infantry) in a Future Book....
I dont. It wouldn't be Adeptus Titanicus then.
This. AT is fine as it is precisely because it doesn't include everything and can thus ruleswise focus on doing one side of galactic warfare well. A new version of Epic already came out, it's called Apocalypse and it plays quite well with 6 mm miniatures, give it a try if older rules ain't doing it for you.
I'll agree that it wouldnt be Titanicus, but wish they would do a new version of Epic in the same 8mm scale.
This.
Though the existing scale for all the old stuff and the new Titans works just fine.
I hope that once GW/FW are open for business again that they remember to send some more of the Psi-Titans over to the USA warehouse.
I've actually never been able to catch that thing 'in stock' since it launched...
Given its role of "titan killer", the super heavy Shadowsword would be a sensible addition to Titanicus.
But the problem with Adeptus Titanicus is not so much that it works better as a Titan-only game, but that the Knights have been poorly implemented and don't inspire much confidence that tanks, fliers and infantry - even if used sparingly - would fare any better. Households are probably better off in their own game.
That said, as support to a maniple, the Cerastus Lancer is a perfect addition to the game, and the one unit I would not change. Its fast, maneouverable and packs a nasty sting which not only keeps the larger, slower titans on their toes, but also makes sure that the Warhounds can't always have their wicked way. Although it ignores most of the titan rules that make AT what it is, it does come with the downside of being vulnerable to even the weakest of titan weaponry. If they had just got the Bolt cannon right, then this is probably the only Knight they needed for the game, with the variants providing just the right flavour for variety...
...and where the Cerastus is just right as a melee-based support unit, the Shadowsword would be an ideal firepower counterpart. They would be useful backup for maniples lacking in firepower and armour. Having a crew of their own, they might share the repair phase with the titans. They too have some interesting variants of its own.
Good point - adding more variety in terms of tanks, vehicles, infantry, etc. to AT would mess it up, and as already pointed out, it wouldn't be AT anymore anyway.
Releasing a new Epic would help out in this regard, but we're probably more than a few years away from that happening.
Going forward, I can see either just a tank game or a combined arms with knights, tanks and flyers. If keeping with the Heresy era then the later would be simple to produce and provide a good follow up to AT.
SamusDrake wrote: Going forward, I can see either just a tank game or a combined arms with knights, tanks and flyers. If keeping with the Heresy era then the later would be simple to produce and provide a good follow up to AT.
That sounds slightly bizarre. I'll bet one million pounds that we don't see a game with just tanks, Knights and fliers or tanks only.
SamusDrake wrote: Going forward, I can see either just a tank game or a combined arms with knights, tanks and flyers. If keeping with the Heresy era then the later would be simple to produce and provide a good follow up to AT.
That sounds slightly bizarre. I'll bet one million pounds that we don't see a game with just tanks, Knights and fliers or tanks only.
Especially in small scale, that would be extremely weird considering how deeply enmeshed tanks and infantry are. Making small tanks without small infantry would be odd to say the least.
SamusDrake wrote: Going forward, I can see either just a tank game or a combined arms with knights, tanks and flyers. If keeping with the Heresy era then the later would be simple to produce and provide a good follow up to AT.
That sounds slightly bizarre. I'll bet one million pounds that we don't see a game with just tanks, Knights and fliers or tanks only.
Especially in small scale, that would be extremely weird considering how deeply enmeshed tanks and infantry are. Making small tanks without small infantry would be odd to say the least.
Tallarn would be the obvious setting for something tank focused during the HH.
On one hand I would be worried about tanks "diluting" the AT experience away from the Titans and more towards an Epic style mass battle game. But on the other hand Knights are already a thing, and I imagine tanks would fill a similar role in the game. Either way if the models were as good as the rest of the AT and AI range I'm sure I'd learn to live with them
I could see Super-Heavy Tanks making an appearance, since the scale of them isn't far off Knights (they're shorter obviously but the width balances it out). Smaller tanks that than though? I'd be doubtful.
I can't see tanks appearing in AT. I think that tanks are very much a sign of the game shifting toward epic because once you start introducing tanks you're a stones throw to anti-tank tanks then infantry and then BAM you're into Epic.
When you hear the designers in interviews you can see that they are totally against the idea of letting AT evolve into Epic; they are keeping AT very much for the titans alone. Plus we don't even have one Xenos titan yet. WE are years from Epic making a return. I think that the groundwork is being done and the system is set to allow for an easier return of Epic, but we are far from it appearing as yet.
The thing is that the AT game system was explicitly designed to accommodate tanks and infantry - the only thing stopping them is that they don’t want to.
Yet.
So I can understand people wanting to scratch that itch; since the void exists the urge to fill it is naturally great.
However there remain other voids to fill and I for one would rather see Xenos Titan-equivalents before tanks happen.
SamusDrake wrote: Going forward, I can see either just a tank game or a combined arms with knights, tanks and flyers. If keeping with the Heresy era then the later would be simple to produce and provide a good follow up to AT.
That sounds slightly bizarre. I'll bet one million pounds that we don't see a game with just tanks, Knights and fliers or tanks only.
Careful now, I won that bet with Aeronautica last year!
But seriously, we shall see. Its going to be a while before they return to full-on Epic 40K, and are already testing the waters with AT and AI, which focus on titans and aircraft respectively. If these are warm-ups for an Epic 40K revival then heavy tanks are the last stop before infantry and minor vehicles. It could be that GW wants to introduce an Epic-scale game every August, until they get to Epic 40K itself...or maybe its just coincidence that AT and AI were released in August of their respective years...
The other obvious option is that Knights could have their own game, basically a slim version of AT providing only the rules and components required for Knight battles. It might be at this point where GW incorporates imperial-based tanks and fliers so that it provides more depth to the games. Afterall, Titan players in AT have complained that Knight rules are too simple. The problem with Adeptus Titanicus is that we all just see it as the potential for Epic 40K and are eager to have new units and factions incorporated until it becomes Epic 40K. GW may wish to preserve AT as strictly a game of Titan combat in the Heresy era. Knights, tanks and fliers would meet customers half way without resorting to Epic 40K.
An AT-scale version of Imperial Knights: Renegade seems like a quick win for GW, much like Lost Patrol or Gangs of Commoragh.
Lastly, AoS players might be asking "where's our epic-scale game?". As with Epic 40K, Warmaster seems unlikely but with the forthcoming "The Old World" being AoS's equivilent of The Horus Heresy then maybe Man-O-War might be an option for a low-model range alternative - much like AT is for the HH.
In conclusion, its harder to predict where GW is going with its Epic-scale games than it was last year with Aeronautica. They may decide for this year and the next, due to the current tragic virus situation, to postpone any such plans and focus on 40K and AoS.
But seriously, we shall see. Its going to be a while before they return to full-on Epic 40K, and are already testing the waters with AT and AI, which focus on titans and aircraft respectively. If these are warm-ups for an Epic 40K revival then heavy tanks are the last stop before infantry and minor vehicles. It could be that GW wants to introduce an Epic-scale game every August, until they get to Epic 40K itself...or maybe its just coincidence that AT and AI were released in August of their respective years...
I would expect that it's a coincidence. AT was very much a gamble, and its success caught GW flat-footed. It's easy to see it as a successful thing now. But at the time, it was a risk. AI made sense as a release not necessarily as an AT add-on (though it does provide that option in the future), but as a game that competes with the various aircraft/spacecraft games that have been popular over the last several years.
Tank-exclusive games are not a particularly hot niche at this time. So I expect that GW and FW did not have plans for a tank-focused AT-scale game this August even before Wuhan suffered an unfortunate outbreak.
While this seems to be diverging wildly from news or rumors...
As Ordinatus are somewhat analogous to Titans, and as Superheavies are analogous to Knights, I could see those entering the fray at some point, but not other Epic units.
Anyone know what happened to the FW train miniature they showed way back at the beginning?
I would expect that it's a coincidence. AT was very much a gamble, and its success caught GW flat-footed. It's easy to see it as a successful thing now. But at the time, it was a risk.
Agreed. AT was definitely the test bed for future Epic releases. Although most of 2019 was a frustraiting time the launch in late 2018 was quite lively.
Mr_Rose wrote: The thing is that the AT game system was explicitly designed to accommodate tanks and infantry
Based on what? It would obvously be terrible. Runing titans is too micro-managery to also have to worry about dozens of other game elements that behave totally differently.
Tank-exclusive games are not a particularly hot niche at this time. So I expect that GW and FW did not have plans for a tank-focused AT-scale game this August even before Wuhan suffered an unfortunate outbreak.
Thats a good point. With Aeronautica there was the case for X-Wing and other dogfight games, which was a point I made at the time.
Mr_Rose wrote: The thing is that the AT game system was explicitly designed to accommodate tanks and infantry
Based on what? It would obvously be terrible. Runing titans is too micro-managery to also have to worry about dozens of other game elements that behave totally differently.
Probably based on the original game eventually expanding into Space Marine, Titan Legions and Epic 40K. That might not be the case with the modern AT, as it could be kept as a Titans'n'Knights game and to preserve its Heresy era setting.
They said earlier, shortly after they announced the Work on AT, that they choose 8mm because they could downscale the Space Marine Power Armour Types to easily recognizedand made individual.
RazorEdge wrote: They said earlier, shortly after they announced the Work on AT, that they choose 8mm because they could downscale the Space Marine Power Armour Types to easily recognizedand made individual.
6mm. Space marines would be 8mm as per designers. But thing is Xmm term in scales is used to refer to HUMAN size and last time I checked space marines are universally and consistently described as TALLER than humans.
If AT is 8mm scale and space marines are 8mm(which we know they would be since GW said so) then that would mean GW just did HUGE retcon changing height of space marines to standard human size. Actually smaller seeing power armour adds height so space marines unarmoured would be shorter than humans...
(oh and nevermind actual measurement of titans show they are tad under 1:300. That's 6mm scale. 8mm would be around 1:225). But hey who cares about such boring stuff as actually mearing model height and comparing fluff size Or designers saying SPACE MARINES would be 8mm.
What about AI? I'm asking for realz because I'd like to print some terrain or even AT scaled tanks and I've no idea how to scale properly for AT, AI and future compatibility.
Mr_Rose wrote: The thing is that the AT game system was explicitly designed to accommodate tanks and infantry
Based on what? It would obvously be terrible. Runing titans is too micro-managery to also have to worry about dozens of other game elements that behave totally differently.
Probably based on the original game eventually expanding into Space Marine, Titan Legions and Epic 40K. That might not be the case with the modern AT, as it could be kept as a Titans'n'Knights game and to preserve its Heresy era setting.
No. Based on interviews with the lead rules designer where he explicitly says he designed it with eventual expansion to full combined arms warfare in mind. Oh and the fact that the gap at the bottom of the Scale chart is quite obvious while we have established weapon characteristics for such things as individual infantry-scale lascannon and autocannon already.
Mr_Rose wrote: The thing is that the AT game system was explicitly designed to accommodate tanks and infantry
Based on what? It would obvously be terrible. Runing titans is too micro-managery to also have to worry about dozens of other game elements that behave totally differently.
Probably based on the original game eventually expanding into Space Marine, Titan Legions and Epic 40K. That might not be the case with the modern AT, as it could be kept as a Titans'n'Knights game and to preserve its Heresy era setting.
No. Based on interviews with the lead rules designer where he explicitly says he designed it with eventual expansion to full combined arms warfare in mind. Oh and the fact that the gap at the bottom of the Scale chart is quite obvious while we have established weapon characteristics for such things as individual infantry-scale lascannon and autocannon already.
What about AI? I'm asking for realz because I'd like to print some terrain or even AT scaled tanks and I've no idea how to scale properly for AT, AI and future compatibility.
Official word from ForgeWorld - via email - is that the designers do not adhere to any "scale" when designing their models. In their words its "Titanicus scale".
That said, the old epic models such as the Rhino and space marines look great on a Warlord's base. Just go with those.
Ah we are back to discussing the scale of AT and wishing for Epic again, awesome.
There is another GW preview this month correct? Hopefully we see something shown off then, I'm hoping we see some brand new Titans or maybe some of the really weird weapons that were available in the old days!
Ordinatus would be cool, either as a set of resin kits or a plastic kit with some resin weapon options. A bit of a redesign of the minoris and it could share a mount with the warbringer, add the volcano cannon and hopefully the sonic disruptor.
Yes, it would be nice if they showcased a new titan on the next preview. The Warbringer has certainly shaken things up but something to complement the Warhound would be ideal.
I wonder if they will show us those Magaera knights, as they are on the cover of the Defense of Ryza...
Thing is we’ve had articles about using them in game which typically happen after a preview so I’m not sure what’s up with them right now.
If we do get a totally new Titan preview, what’s more likely, the hinted-at light scout precursor to the Slaaneshi titans of old epic, the missing Acastus variant, or something totally unprecedented like the non-Nemesis Warbringer variant that is implied by the existence of the Nemesis-type in the first place?
Mr_Rose wrote: Thing is we’ve had articles about using them in game which typically happen after a preview so I’m not sure what’s up with them right now.
If we do get a totally new Titan preview, what’s more likely, the hinted-at light scout precursor to the Slaaneshi titans of old epic, the missing Acastus variant, or something totally unprecedented like the non-Nemesis Warbringer variant that is implied by the existence of the Nemesis-type in the first place?
Complete guesswork on my part, but I feel like the Rapier scout has a certain synergy with the previously mentioned Kado campaign book. Which seems like a 2021 release for sure now.
So I'm going to bet on one of the variants coming first. A single Knight variant kit seems like an awfully light release alongside a campaign book. Possible that release gets followed up by one of the variants.
we need some new titans in the 5-7scale. they could always surprise us by adding an entirely new chassis. Rapiers would be cool and maybe some new variants/weapons loadouts as well.
The terrain is killer and the manufactorum refinery is one of the best kits. so maybe an actual mining kit and some other thing?
Marshal Loss wrote: Smart bets would probably be on the Rapier Scout Titan, which has been name dropped repeatedly over the last year or so.
I just wonder if that will be out in 40k scale first like the Warbringer. So long as it's not another year between that and AT scale...
Well, in fairness we are still waiting for full scale for a lot of the warlord and reaver weapon options that are available in AT.
Racerguy180 wrote: we need some new titans in the 5-7scale. they could always surprise us by adding an entirely new chassis. Rapiers would be cool and maybe some new variants/weapons loadouts as well.
The terrain is killer and the manufactorum refinery is one of the best kits. so maybe an actual mining kit and some other thing?
Either ruins or fortifications like bastions and walls would be useful for the next set of terrain.
Marshal Loss wrote: Smart bets would probably be on the Rapier Scout Titan, which has been name dropped repeatedly over the last year or so.
I just wonder if that will be out in 40k scale first like the Warbringer. So long as it's not another year between that and AT scale...
Well, in fairness we are still waiting for full scale for a lot of the warlord and reaver weapon options that are available in AT.
New weapon options would need updated datasheets for the relevant titans. It just struck me that the ideal time to put out either those or the Rapier in full scale would be when GW release the updated FW Indexes due sometime this year.
Eh, I don't expect that. We just got an updated rulebook in the starter set that includes the errata. That set was the game's soft relaunch already. And AT hasn't been what NUcromunda was. Besides, I don't think the SG team has the bandwidth to release a second edition anytime soon.
Regarding 28mm Rapiers first, etc...I dunno. Maybe? Or not. It's often hard to see the plan when FW proper is involved. The SG team has a more regular schedule and release dates. The AT Rapier will be released at its designated spot in the schedule near a campaign book. A 28mm Rapier would probably be released on some random Friday without any advance notice.
Marshal Loss wrote: Smart bets would probably be on the Rapier Scout Titan, which has been name dropped repeatedly over the last year or so.
I just wonder if that will be out in 40k scale first like the Warbringer. So long as it's not another year between that and AT scale...
Well, in fairness we are still waiting for full scale for a lot of the warlord and reaver weapon options that are available in AT.
New weapon options would need updated datasheets for the relevant titans. It just struck me that the ideal time to put out either those or the Rapier in full scale would be when GW release the updated FW Indexes due sometime this year.
Warlord quake cannon, carapace Gatling, twin turbo carapace, carapace Vulcan already have rules in 28mm. So does the reaver carapace turbolaser, carapace vmb, and support missile.
Warlord quake cannon, carapace Gatling, twin turbo carapace, carapace Vulcan already have rules in 28mm. So does the reaver carapace turbolaser, carapace vmb, and support missile.
I don't understand... Dakka is always telling me that GW don't make rules if there's no model!
There's not a huge (Ha!) market (legitimate or otherwise) for 28mm scale Titan Weapons!
They are still sitting on the quake cannon for the warlord which was shown off as a render, and while it isn't the same as the AT scale one, the turbolaser on the Primus redoubt fits the reaver perfectly but fw won't sell it separately.
SamusDrake wrote: Official word from ForgeWorld - via email - is that the designers do not adhere to any "scale" when designing their models. In their words its "Titanicus scale".
That said, the old epic models such as the Rhino and space marines look great on a Warlord's base. Just go with those.
Be that as it may, if you print out 6mm and 8mm tall regular humans, and place them next to the doors on the new terrain, the access hatches of the Warlord, etc, it's very obvious which looks more accurate (slightly more than 6mm).
Purely as a guide to would-be terrain printers, 6.5mm or so true scale stuff will fit better. If looking to purchase older epic stuff or from other companies, you'd need to take into account how accurate their scaling is in addition. Old Epic stuff was quite inconsistent in accuracy of scale, so some will be better than others.
They do have a relative scale, but not 100% accurate, they said that so people stop sending them email complain about their model being 1mm off the scale.
Well next week defence of ryza and variant knights. And just as i feared they are in same and have to build both so tax of useless one to get semi useful one. Hard pass for me
So long as the Knights are no more than £35, then I'll be happy to pick up a box. Both are solid lance banners, but the Castigators are a bit crap as support. With Acastus reduced to support only, these are the only variation we can look forward to.
Not sure about the Ryza book. They already had custom legios in WD, and the House specific rules aren't meaty enough to get excited about. That said, it might have something about the Magaeras and the missions could be interesting.
Forgeworld up and running again? I think we're overdue those lovely Ursus Claws...
Yeah, we never got cards or transfers for S&I either, and weirdly the Ryza book will have gotten both first. I’m always happy to see an AT release, but this is the least excited I’ve been about one. The Knights don’t interest me, but good for the people who are interested.
No doubt it'll be next, they already talked about making them for a long time.
Which kinda suck because it just delayed the making of more useful Knights. The Mechanicum knight were made for anti-infantry purpose, but hopefully they won't be a table decoration like the Warden and Castigator.
Expectable. Twice the knights, twice the price. Unless I can find somebody who wants to buy the boltgun versions won't bother with them. Even flamer one is of dubious use.
The Castigator can still find a home in Epic and Apocalypse matches, as well as narrative games that do incorporate infantry in various shapes and forms. I'll probably end up with some just for variety's sake.
SamusDrake wrote: For that price they might as well have released them as two separate kits.
Yeah. I'm not sure about the marketing plan on that one.
I'll probably buy the book and cards, I guess. I'm kinda regretting diving into that voucher deal FW had going a couple months back. The plan was to use them on Ursus claws and some other assorted items for AT. But their stock levels are...dynamic, and I worry about Ursus claws becoming the new atomantic pavise (still unreleased 4 years after previews).
Any idea what turns them off? Are they content in their comfort zone?
I'd wager a guess that Titanicus doesn't have the playerbase that 40K or AoS does. Nothing to do with if the game is good or not, just the fact that getting a game will be harder, relatively speaking. I've seen that used as the explanation on why someone doesn't want to invest in a game many a time.
Yeah. I'm not sure about the marketing plan on that one.
Maybe each sprue contains a Castigator and Archeron, and they package two sprues so that they can be used as two lance banners? I don't recall seeing any photos of the sprue, though...
To be honest, the price still holds up to the Lancer kit, but that one has to purchase "two boxes" in one go. If it is £40 and comes with two terminals then thats not bad I guess.
And I suppose its a welcome break from the community page banging on about 9th edition...
godswildcard wrote: I just wish I could get some local people to pick AT up.
It's a consistently fun game, regardless of winning or losing, which is more than I can say for a lot of games out there.
Getting people to buy into it is difficult for some reason, though.
It's at a funny spot in terms of commitment required. It's not as cheap and low-commitment as a skirmish game. But it is cheaper than 40K or AoS. Unfortunately that fact got lost in the shuffle with the pricing of the GM set. Which was also a TERRIBLE introduction to AT gameplay. I'm sure GW did very well with that set, but it wasn't the best first impression they could have made. Still, to be fair...it's not as cheap as picking up a gang box or whatever (although I'd argue that some of the bloat in those skirmish games drives the real price way up).
The models, while fantastic, also ask for more painting commitment than say, SM (slather on some contrast paints and call it a day). I'm sure there are players that look at a Warlord and are scared off. Lack of/price of terrain also might be something that some people cite, but there are really cheap alternatives. So I don't buy that one as much.
Slow release rate might also be a factor. The specialist games don't seem to have as much going on as the core games, which might dampen excitement. I'm not feeling terribly inspired by the Ryza book or releases, but I guess S&I was the 'big' release for the year...even if it's still incomplete.
I agree with you about the game...it shows off great in terms of how it looks and how it plays. It's funny to me to see all the gnashing of teeth over 40K and its many problems, when AT is a game released by the same company with both tight, tactical play and plenty of cinematic appeal. I think we just have to show the game off more once things get more back to normal and steer people to the (terrific) new starter set.
Slow release rate might also be a factor. The specialist games don't seem to have as much going on as the core games, which might dampen excitement. I'm not feeling terribly inspired by the Ryza book or releases, but I guess S&I was the 'big' release for the year...even if it's still incomplete.
Partly this, partly finding other players.
But also I fully expect GW to drop specialist games like a hot potato. Just some random corporate statement some day about 'refocusing on core properties' and its gone.
Again
Voss wrote: But also I fully expect GW to drop specialist games like a hot potato. Just some random corporate statement some day about 'refocusing on core properties' and its gone.
Again
I can’t speak for anyone else, but if they drop Titanicus and their other specialist games then I’m gone. I have no interest in 40k or AoS and don’t play either.
I don't get the sense that SG are going anywhere anytime soon. All that stuff seems to sell out (too) quickly, which means they're making their numbers, which means it's highly profitable. And their core games seem very healthy, so no refocusing should be required. I also don't get the sense that SG is terribly resource-heavy. If anything, the staff seems overstretched.
I get the feeling that as Necromunda was one of the first to return GW wanted to dip their toes in in an way that let them pull out at any point. So hence a lot of "expansion" books that added bits onto bits but got all their releases pretty quick. So if the actual sales numbers were something GW could react too. If it proved a disaster they could abandon it in a "complete" state; if it were super popular in different directions they could focus on them with latter publications - which seems to be what's happened. Especially with the game now moving toward Houses having their own books not just being in one big rule book and expansions. That suggests very powerful and solid sales figures enough to make GW start treating it almost identically to a main-line game.
AT is sort of in the same pool, again multiple expansions that tend to get the models out in a decent timeframe. Though its honestly still lagging. It won't be properly under-way (in my view) until we start seeing both chaos unique models and warped models alongside Xenos.
I've a feeling that point has to come sooner rather than later - GW is steadily using up the different knight and titan variations and Imperial VS Imperial can only sustain itself so far
SamusDrake wrote: Necromunda is interesting but the rule books are just confusing.
Ready to drop the wonga on Underhive but apparently the rulebook is now useless?
Where are you even getting Necromunda: Underhive from? It’s been OOP for months now, since before Dark Uprising dropped.
But yeah, it’s kinda been supplanted. The rules aren’t wrong exactly but as-printed they received a bunch of errata and a lot of stuff has been added since then. A lot.
Edit: For AT, I really hope the next plastic kit is a new Titan, preferably the ‘light scout’ that’s been teased repeatedly. I’m really starting to get a bit down on every other release being a Knight. Make the Asterius, Magaera, and Styrix resin upgrade kits pls.
I really want the next AT to be something pure chaos. Even if its just an upgrade kit. I think then AT is taking a bold and big step forward instead of just mucking around with Imperial only designs.
Plus the more they bulk out the Imperials the more it can end up repeating the "mistake" of Space Marine dominance. Ergo where everyone ends up playing Imperials because they have more and all the best toys.
Where are you even getting Necromunda: Underhive from? It’s been OOP for months now, since before Dark Uprising dropped.
But yeah, it’s kinda been supplanted. The rules aren’t wrong exactly but as-printed they received a bunch of errata and a lot of stuff has been added since then. A lot.
Edit: For AT, I really hope the next plastic kit is a new Titan, preferably the ‘light scout’ that’s been teased repeatedly. I’m really starting to get a bit down on every other release being a Knight. Make the Asterius, Magaera, and Styrix resin upgrade kits pls.
Local game store still has a copy. Haven't decided to pick it up yet, based on the rule book situation. Alternatively, I suppose I could just get the latest rule book and go with Gene-cults with the download pdf. Quite fond of the sloppy-chopped fiends...
I'm sure the next AT unit will be a Titan. To be fair, the Cerastus varients were long overdue even before the covid crisis, and we currently have more Titans than Knights.
In hindsight it would have been better to have left Doom of Molech and the Acastus for later. Maniples that included knights would have been better and provided far more options.
One thing I'd ask of a future expansion; let us make our own maniples! That would be something.
No Infantry, no Armour, no Airplanes... not EPIC, only Titans & Knights...
Thats is a shame. Hopefully, they might introduce armigers and some super heavies. Some ork and eldar would certainly get some attention from other faction players.
Edit: Hang on a minute! That was a question aimed at godswildcard!
Where are you even getting Necromunda: Underhive from? It’s been OOP for months now, since before Dark Uprising dropped.
But yeah, it’s kinda been supplanted. The rules aren’t wrong exactly but as-printed they received a bunch of errata and a lot of stuff has been added since then. A lot.
Local game store still has a copy. Haven't decided to pick it up yet, based on the rule book situation. Alternatively, I suppose I could just get the latest rule book and go with Gene-cults with the download pdf. Quite fond of the sloppy-chopped fiends...
You’ll want the Book of Ruin for genestealer cults¹ in the underhive. The PDF is also out of date.
¹ Also other cults including chaos undivided and “I can’t believe it’s not Khorne” cannibal butcher cults.
I think you can technically skip Gangs of the Underhive if you just want to play cultists (unless you want a chaos-corrupted House gang of course) so still two books.
Think of the new format Necromunda as more like an RPG with its supplements and splat books; you only actually need the ones that apply to your character but the others sometimes contain useful stuff.
But we also have dedicated Necromunda threads so this should probably be carried on in one of those.
SamusDrake wrote: For that price they might as well have released them as two separate kits.
that would hurt sales of boltgun variant. got to make people buy both to sell both. otherwise boltgun variant wouldnt make up expenses
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gorgon wrote: I don't get the sense that SG are going anywhere anytime soon. All that stuff seems to sell out (too) quickly, which means they're making their numbers, which means it's highly profitable. And their core games seem very healthy, so no refocusing should be required. I also don't get the sense that SG is terribly resource-heavy. If anything, the staff seems overstretched.
Epic armageddon oversold GW's own estimation by 400%. Now assuming GW doesn't approve project that they don't expect to give profit that means epic armageddon was also very profitable. Yet it got dropped.
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SamusDrake wrote: That would be a shame if they did drop the specialist games.
I think if they had that in mind for the near future then I doubt they would have "relaunched" AT this year.
Nor did epic armageddon last that long...Couple years and gone.
gorgon wrote: Wasn't Epic Armageddon released something like 15 years ago? Hard to see how that's an indicator for how GW is operating today.
It was also in metal. Plastic is a lot of investment up front, but far less over time to keep producing. Less incentive to drop it when likely the warlords have already paid for themselves and are mostly profit now.
that would hurt sales of boltgun variant. got to make people buy both to sell both. otherwise boltgun variant wouldnt make up expenses
It could be that, although personally I would get the Castigators anyway simply because they look cool.
Another thought is that it might be a total of three sprues, rather than two. One for the weapons and two for the bodies. They appear to be roughly the same bulk as lancers, but there is also the fuel tanks on the back and the ammo belts which the Lancer doesn't have. It'll be interesting to see what the final product is.
SamusDrake wrote: That would be a shame if they did drop the specialist games.
I think if they had that in mind for the near future then I doubt they would have "relaunched" AT this year.
Nor did epic armageddon last that long...Couple years and gone.
Epic: Armageddon died prematurely for a couple of reasons but mostly it was because the entire specialist games studio got shut down by the same guy that said he didn’t need to do market research, because he thought no-one wanted light skirmish games or mass battle games. Actual sales had little to do with it.
Though I will say that those godawful “Eldar” titans that looked like someone tried to make a Battletech chicken (not a chicken-walker, just a chicken (but also a battlemech)) which sold approximately no units probably played into his line of thought.
SamusDrake wrote: That would be a shame if they did drop the specialist games.
I think if they had that in mind for the near future then I doubt they would have "relaunched" AT this year.
Nor did epic armageddon last that long...Couple years and gone.
Epic: Armageddon died prematurely for a couple of reasons but mostly it was because the entire specialist games studio got shut down by the same guy that said he didn’t need to do market research, because he thought no-one wanted light skirmish games or mass battle games. Actual sales had little to do with it.
Though I will say that those godawful “Eldar” titans that looked like someone tried to make a Battletech chicken (not a chicken-walker, just a chicken (but also a battlemech)) which sold approximately no units probably played into his line of thought.
Those horrible Eldar/Ork hybrid titans were from the previous edition of the game. Epic Armageddon wisely went back to the beautiful classic Eldar titans.
Where are you even getting Necromunda: Underhive from? It’s been OOP for months now, since before Dark Uprising dropped.
But yeah, it’s kinda been supplanted. The rules aren’t wrong exactly but as-printed they received a bunch of errata and a lot of stuff has been added since then. A lot.
Edit: For AT, I really hope the next plastic kit is a new Titan, preferably the ‘light scout’ that’s been teased repeatedly. I’m really starting to get a bit down on every other release being a Knight. Make the Asterius, Magaera, and Styrix resin upgrade kits pls.
Local game store still has a copy. Haven't decided to pick it up yet, based on the rule book situation. Alternatively, I suppose I could just get the latest rule book and go with Gene-cults with the download pdf. Quite fond of the sloppy-chopped fiends...
I'm sure the next AT unit will be a Titan. To be fair, the Cerastus varients were long overdue even before the covid crisis, and we currently have more Titans than Knights.
In hindsight it would have been better to have left Doom of Molech and the Acastus for later. Maniples that included knights would have been better and provided far more options.
One thing I'd ask of a future expansion; let us make our own maniples! That would be something.
No Infantry, no Armour, no Airplanes... not EPIC, only Titans & Knights...
Thats is a shame. Hopefully, they might introduce armigers and some super heavies. Some ork and eldar would certainly get some attention from other faction players.
Edit: Hang on a minute! That was a question aimed at godswildcard!
Lol!
I think one big thing is that the locals are very dedicated to 40K, AoS and Some Historicals, and that's about it. It's hard for any new game to break in, although Necromunda has done ok.
One other thing (IMO) is that people are conditioned to believe that you need a lot of stuff for GW games, and with AT it takes some convincing to actually show people that that's not true. Considering that for $260 you can have all the rules and everything you need to make a half-decent army at tournament standard sizes, sad as it is, that's a deal that borders on 'too-good-to-be-true' territory for GW.
I may just have to bite the bullet and build a second Legio so that way I can run demos and maybe get a few more people interested.
Is there any rumour about non imperial titanic models?
I know it´s ADEPTUS TITANICUS, but maybe as enemies...
What Alpharius said...it's a 'maybe someday' and they are taking their sweet time just releasing the additional imperial titans they have planned.
I think they need to continue with the HH setting for now. But I'd certainly like to see more TITANS in the game, so yeah, Orks and Eldar would be cool. I'm officially over getting more and more knights.
SamusDrake wrote: A new Cerastus is of course welcome, but would like to see a new Titan in DOR.
Not familiar with the Atropos. Whos he when hes at home, then?
Lascutter and a graviton singularity cannon that has a chance to become a vortex. In 30k, it’s a super heavy killer so expect a very short range but very dangerous Knight
The Atropos singularity canon had the same range as Thermal cannon, while the Lascutter is also a range and melee weapon. So the range isn't really short compare to other Knights. And Atropos had better shield than other Cerastus Knights.
Well, it's weapons and rules in 30k are entirely geared towards felling superheavies in close range. So, not really a replacement of the Acastus artillery platform. It'll be there alongside the Lancer trying to get in close where the Lascutter and Graviton Cannon will be the most effective. The Graviton Cannon itself is far more destructive than the Thermal Cannon so it's possible that it'll have some sort of shooting attack with a new special rule for Graviton effects. Either that or it could use Rending and possibly even Vortex as in 30K it had a 1 in 6 chance to go Vortex
They probably gut the Atrapos sooner or later because the game isn't balance around cheap and small unit that ignore most of the rule and can dish out tons of damage. But Atrapos is indeed one of the game changers in the Knight's force, alongside Armiger, Dominus, and Acastus.
Chopstick wrote: They probably gut the Atrapos sooner or later because the game isn't balance around cheap and small unit that ignore most of the rule and can dish out tons of damage. But Atrapos is indeed one of the game changers in the Knight's force, alongside Armiger, Dominus, and Acastus.
I'm not a wargamer but I've read several times that the Dominus were heavily nerfed, and the Acastus were never good (but were also nerfed).
Chopstick wrote: They probably gut the Atrapos sooner or later because the game isn't balance around cheap and small unit that ignore most of the rule and can dish out tons of damage. But Atrapos is indeed one of the game changers in the Knight's force, alongside Armiger, Dominus, and Acastus.
I'm not a wargamer but I've read several times that the Dominus were heavily nerfed, and the Acastus were never good (but were also nerfed).
Acastus were never good in 40K, perhaps. In AT they were very obviously overpowered and house rules regarding them popped up immediately everywhere.
As Chopstick said, I doubt Atrapos end up TOO good after what happened with Acastus. The game isn't balanced around knights...even as they seem to keep releasing more knight models.
Chopstick wrote: They probably gut the Atrapos sooner or later because the game isn't balance around cheap and small unit that ignore most of the rule and can dish out tons of damage. But Atrapos is indeed one of the game changers in the Knight's force, alongside Armiger, Dominus, and Acastus.
I'm not a wargamer but I've read several times that the Dominus were heavily nerfed, and the Acastus were never good (but were also nerfed).
Acastus were never good in 40K, perhaps. In AT they were very obviously overpowered and house rules regarding them popped up immediately everywhere.
As Chopstick said, I doubt Atrapos end up TOO good after what happened with Acastus. The game isn't balanced around knights...even as they seem to keep releasing more knight models.
He's talking about 40K. AT doesn't have Armigers or Dominus or Atrapos.
It isn't hard to figure out the stat of the weapon based on existing one. But rule writer love to change some of them for "balance reason". Like Avenger Gatling cannon. Even the rule for Acastus weapons is wrong. At least the original rule writer (James Hewitt) took reference (except for the gatling weapon and Inferno cannon) from the 40k 7th ed rule. While the new one, he made up his own rule by looking at the weapons.
What happened with the Acastus was almost certainly about them (mistakenly) viewing them only in the context of limited numbers within Knight household armies.
I doubt they repeat that mistake, but who knows. We'll probably get even more Knights before we get more new Titans for Titanicus. I don't get it, but whatever.
They putting their resource and manpower into Aeronautica Imperialis atm, so AT release will be slow. Once they announced the next big game Battlefleet Gothic, which is even bigger than AI, release for both AT and AI will be slow down, unless GW expand the team.
I like that better, I think. The head is the part I'm not in love with on the Warbringer kit. I think certain color schemes also aren't flattering for it. Looks nice in Vulturum colors.
Nice, hints at Dæmon engines, Dark Mechanicum and battles in the void
It's interesting that they tease corrupted Titans but there's no indication that they'll get a big treatment in the book. You'd think they'd be hyping that like they did with psi-Titans. Maybe it's a few strats for now.
Nah, what would be the point of saving them for the end? Siege of Kado is supposedly an upcoming book, and if you look at the old fluff (Hellknights and daemon engines galore), I think it makes sense that something corrupted appears there.
That reminds me, I’d also like to see the non-Nemesis “baby warlord” variant of the Warbringer at some point, where it has two (or even three) Reaver carapace weapons up top instead of one Warlord arm weapon.
I’d also really like a Nemesis Warlord, but statting up a Plasma Annihilator for use in-game ends in a bad place…
I’d also really like a Nemesis Warlord, but statting up a Plasma Annihilator for use in-game ends in a bad place…
At the very least I'd want it to have a scatter rule saying it misses the table entirely and blows up the table of the guys playing beside you at the club.
On a more serious note, I wants to see Ork and Eldar Titanses, precious, and I reckon that would get many more people into the game. But I'm wary of the balance issues adding asymmetric factions could introduce. One of the great things about AT is that it largely self-balances because both 'sides' can mostly take the same units, so both sides can potentially abuse the same abusable things, so both sides have an incentive to come to a gentlemen's agreement not to go there. As soon as Orks or Eldar show up, that goes out the window. I'm not sure I trust the current design team to get that right; I'd rather Hewitt were still on board, but oh well.
I'm really surprised they haven't done Chaos Titans yet, at least as a cosmetic option. All they need is a new armour sprue and bam. But no, it's mostly Knights to the horizon, for some reason.
Agree that the releases that will follow this book are likely a Warbringer variant sprue, the Acastus variants, and a Mechanicum knight box down the road.
Maybe a new Titan class for XMas?
The year-long ramp up time for plastics means that today's releases are based on sales and meta from a year ago...
But no, it's mostly Knights to the horizon, for some reason.
Hopefully an early review might reveal a new titan in Defence of Ryza. And the Atropos might be a long way off from being released, as we are only just getting the Cerastus variants since they were showin in Doom of Molech last April.
SamusDrake wrote: A new Cerastus is of course welcome, but would like to see a new Titan in DOR.
Not familiar with the Atropos. Whos he when hes at home, then?
Well with DOR in doorsteps and no sight of one we can safely say there won't be new titan. They wouldn't be so tight lipped about it if there was.
There's also no 40k sized new titan and there's no quarantee new titan comes first to AT. Warbringer came first to 40k after all.
New titan is 2021 earliest, quite possibly 2022.
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gorgon wrote: Nah, what would be the point of saving them for the end? Siege of Kado is supposedly an upcoming book, and if you look at the old fluff (Hellknights and daemon engines galore), I think it makes sense that something corrupted appears there.
First banelord appeared at around titandeath which is last major titan battle before siege of terra.
SamusDrake wrote: A new Cerastus is of course welcome, but would like to see a new Titan in DOR.
Not familiar with the Atropos. Whos he when hes at home, then?
Well with DOR in doorsteps and no sight of one we can safely say there won't be new titan. They wouldn't be so tight lipped about it if there was.
There's also no 40k sized new titan and there's no quarantee new titan comes first to AT. Warbringer came first to 40k after all.
New titan is 2021 earliest, quite possibly 2022.
I'm starting to wonder if the new 40KFW index books are tied to some major new release, like a new 28mm titan chassis and/or weapon options. If FW aren't ready to sell those yet it could be the reason we haven't seen any details on the books.
FW will have a significant release backlog right now as they haven't put anything new out since Ursus Claws were unveiled.
xttz wrote: FW will have a significant release backlog right now as they haven't put anything new out since Ursus Claws were unveiled.
Which will hopefully not become the new atomantic pavise.
And I'm not sure why Ryza is getting cards and S&I didn't. I'm hoping there's a S&I 'catch-up' release down the road with cards, transfers, claws/lances, etc. But the ways of FW can be inscrutable...so I dunno.
Do the water slide transfers release usually with the book or the week after? I have waited so patiently for Legio Hororum (The Death Bolts) for so long.
The one I'm hoping for aside from Demon Titans is the Rapier Titan - which is apparently an even smaller Scout Titan than a Warhound. Wondering how this could work, I'm wondering if it having a speedy profile and a SINGLE Reaver Arm quality weapon on a dorsal style mount wouldn't be a great idea? I could see there being a place for something like that.
Dulahan wrote: The one I'm hoping for aside from Demon Titans is the Rapier Titan - which is apparently an even smaller Scout Titan than a Warhound. Wondering how this could work, I'm wondering if it having a speedy profile and a SINGLE Reaver Arm quality weapon on a dorsal style mount wouldn't be a great idea? I could see there being a place for something like that.
They've mentioned it d laid groundwork for it. Note Legio Audax being restricted to scale 6 and under, not specifically Warhounds One would think the Rapier could be coming soon...in AT release terms. But who knows?
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Generalstoner wrote: Do the water slide transfers release usually with the book or the week after? I have waited so patiently for Legio Hororum (The Death Bolts) for so long.
That's an even bigger crapshoot. Some have gotten transfers before their rules. Most wait for some time. Makes little sense but that's FW.
Generalstoner wrote: Do the water slide transfers release usually with the book or the week after? I have waited so patiently for Legio Hororum (The Death Bolts) for so long.
Adding to what gorgon said, not all the Titan Legios who have rules have got transfers in the past either. Whether they will eventually or not, who knows. None of the Shadow and Iron Legions did, the ones that released with that book were for 2 legios that haven’t got rules even in this book (Metalica and Ignatum) and one from the 2nd book (Astorum).
So it was one of each on a sprue. Makes sense as to their packaging.
In addition to creating a custom legio there are also rules for expanding Knight houses, in DOR. Not sure whether these will make Households better or worse and feels like a "fool me once, fool me twice" situation after Molech, so hopefully our friends will do some video reviews over the next few days, focusing on this. If Households could be improved I would be on board again, otherwise I shall just wrap up the one I have with the C-variants and leave it at that.
Just noticed that DOR was momentarily showing a price of £26.50 but was swiftly changed to £22...phew! That was close!
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Dulahan wrote: The one I'm hoping for aside from Demon Titans is the Rapier Titan - which is apparently an even smaller Scout Titan than a Warhound. Wondering how this could work, I'm wondering if it having a speedy profile and a SINGLE Reaver Arm quality weapon on a dorsal style mount wouldn't be a great idea? I could see there being a place for something like that.
As the Warhound seems to be a fire-power( the claws and spears aside ) titan, I wonder if the Rapier is going to be a melee focused titan to counter knights?
As the Warhound seems to be a fire-power( the claws and spears aside ) titan, I wonder if the Rapier is going to be a melee focused titan to counter knights?
Well they talked about other scout titan classes as precursors to the old slaanesh scout titans from 90's epic. One of those was equipped for melee, so it's possible.
Well, ordered the book from my FLGS, and the cards direct because I had to. And because they aren't going to stick around long...the NA warehouse seems to get about 15 packs most times.
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SamusDrake wrote: As the Warhound seems to be a fire-power( the claws and spears aside ) titan, I wonder if the Rapier is going to be a melee focused titan to counter knights?
That would be perfect. I would LOVE that as an Audax player. There are reasons why I have Cerastus Lancers in my current build. Other people might not love me if I had access to a melee Titan however...
That would be perfect. I would LOVE that as an Audax player. There are reasons why I have Cerastus Lancers in my current build. Other people might not love me if I had access to a melee Titan however...
We have heard legends about you over the years...your name...THAT GUY.
Fire the Ursus Claws! If you’re a Warhammer hobbyist, there’s a good chance you’ve heard this somewhere, but just what does it mean?
Before long, players will be launching Ursus Claws of their own on Adeptus Titanicus tabletops thanks to incoming upgrade kits from Forge World. But what is an Ursus Claw? Why does everyone want one? Today, we’re investigating the issue.
Ursus Claws were first introduced by Horus Heresy loresmith Aaron Dembski-Bowden in a small but awesome section of a large but awesome novel Betrayer. For those who haven’t embarked upon reading the Horus Heresy series, Betrayer tells the story of the World Eaters’ fall during the Horus Heresy, following them through a brutal campaign amid the core worlds of Ultramar. We first see the Ursus Claws in the hands of the Legio Audax, used to staggering effect against a rival Titan.
Throughout the book, we see Titans, and even the World Eaters flagship – the Conqueror – use Ursus Claws, with terrifying results. Since then, players have dreamed of using these weapons for themselves. With the rules in Shadow and Iron, plus the upcoming Ursus Claw upgrade kit, soon you can!
Need a refresher on the rules for Ursus Claws? Check out our previous preview! While you wait, why not grab some Warhounds, and get them built up and ready to upgrade?
If you’re looking to keep up with the latest Adeptus Titanicus goings-on, we’ve got good news. The Forge World Facebook page is being transformed into the Horus Heresy Facebook page – the best spot on social media to discuss all things Age of Darkness from tiny Titans to Horus Heresy armies. If you haven’t already, give us a like to make sure you get the latest news and fun stuff delivered right to your newsfeed.
Cheers for that Zedmeister - been waiting for a preview before ordering.
Going to hold off on the Cerastus box as I've got this strong gut feeling I will regret it at Christmas( which has been the case the last two years )...
Defence of Ryza seems to be an semi-Annual of updated white dwarf articles, which is good for those who missed them. The Knight standards probably make it worth while, but to still not see any new Titan-Knight maniples other than the Dominus - which is over a year old now - continues to be a disappointment. Speaking of which, it would be good to see a custom maniple feature in a future expansion or WD article, so players can pick the titans they would like to field rather than waiting for GW to drip feed them out four at a time.
Not sure what to expect for the rest of the year, but ts been pretty good so far with two titans, two expansions, a box of knights and the incoming Ursus Claws. And thats not even mentioning the fantastic new starter set and factory scenery. Somehow, against all better judgement, it'll be quiet for a while and then around early November we could see a new Titan, ready for the new year....
Review of the new Cerastus Knights...
...for the price of what is basically two lancer sprues in a single box with no discount, they could have included two such thin terminals. If the Acastus didn't have that stupid auxilary rule I'd rather get another pack of them instead.
"A Knight expansion! Can't wait for that Questoris upgrade! Yeah, we're really gonna teach those Titans a thing or two with some rocket-pod powerrrrrr!"
....releases Disney Princess Castles instead. Entire households massacred
"Acastus! Thank god your here! We're getting our asses kicked!"
"A Knight expansion! Can't wait for that Questoris upgrade! Yeah, we're really gonna teach those Titans a thing or two with some rocket-pod powerrrrrr!"
....releases Disney Princess Castles instead. Entire households massacred
"Acastus! Thank god your here! We're getting our asses kicked!"
BANNED.
The Acastus was so OP in Titanicus as listed that they nerfed it in 40K instead...
So unless I'm misreading something, Magna's wargear doesn't actually work?
Any Legio Magna Titan armed with a weapon with the Melta trait may be equipped with a Directed Pressure Outlet for +10 points. Each Melta weapon the Titan is armed with must be upgraded separately. A Titan equipped with a Directed Pressure Outlet adds 3" to the weapon's short range.
Melta weapons don't have the "melta" trait, they have "fusion"
While they are probably photoshoped 
We've seen legios that aren't released yet get transfers, while others are still waiting. 
