Land speeder preview:



Love the classic paint scheme

Yellow vehicle for the Ultramarines Legion.

LOVE IT. Really bucking the boring pure-color schemes of the Codex era.

I'm not sure I like it. I like the original rocket chair where they pretend to have controls. Having actual controls is not an improvement in my book. The bulked out sides also unduly detract from the crew.

Love that it's yellow, though.

 Custodian wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Thanks for the pictures, Custodian - with the model in hand, would you say the head is as bad as the pictures made it out to be, or is a victim of FW paintjob/photography?

Comparing it to the bare heads from the Warden and "regular" Custodes kits, I'd say the proportions are a little off on the resin head, being generally larger, and the cables being much wider.

And my view on the helmet-issue is that I don't like having superhuman warriors clad in some of the best armour the Imperium can offer, with life-support systems that can ensure their survival in all but the worst conditions and incorporating advanced sensors into their most basic Space Marine power armour, leave their helmets at home based on some idea that they'll "look cooler/fiercer/tougher" without them. Doesn't sound like something a centuries-old warrior would do. Not to mention that culturally, not wearing a helmet or removing it in the presence of soldiers from other units is a sign of respect or veneration. Going off the sentiments of the Custodes from Master of Mankind, I find the notion of them doing anything like that to even a Space Marine hard to believe.

Well, bare heads have been a thing since RT and RTB01.

 zedmeister wrote:
Land speeder preview:

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Love the classic paint scheme

I can`t decide whether I like it or not.. The turbines right behind the seats - wut? When bullets start flying - there is no protection except for the power armour itself - wut? I like how it`s painted more than the mini it seems. So what`s the point? Bring multi melta as close and as fast as possible - surely there is a better way. Like a skull drone. At least modern Land Speeders have some protection and pack more heat (bascily they are warhammer helicopters). But nonetheless the overall look of this retro speeder is still somewhat.. attractive.

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
Land speeder preview:

Spoiler:

Love the classic paint scheme

I can`t decide whether I like it or not.. The turbines right behind the seats - wut? When bullets start flying - there is no protection except for the power armour itself - wut? I like how it`s painted more than the mini it seems. So what`s the point? Bring multi melta as close and as fast as possible - surely there is a better way. Like a skull drone. At least modern Land Speeders have some protection and pack more heat (bascily they are warhammer helicopters). But nonetheless the overall look of this retro speeder is still somewhat.. attractive.

The point is retro.

Kinda wish they did that more often, I'd love a modern quality sculpt of the rogue trader dreadnought.

Normally I like the way GW and FW revamp some of their old, Rogue Trader-era designs and bring them into 30k/40k.

This is not one of those times. I think this thing looks like hot garbage.

But, hey, if it scratches people's nostalgia itch, more power to 'em.

changemod wrote:

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
Land speeder preview:

Spoiler:

Love the classic paint scheme

I can`t decide whether I like it or not.. The turbines right behind the seats - wut? When bullets start flying - there is no protection except for the power armour itself - wut? I like how it`s painted more than the mini it seems. So what`s the point? Bring multi melta as close and as fast as possible - surely there is a better way. Like a skull drone. At least modern Land Speeders have some protection and pack more heat (bascily they are warhammer helicopters). But nonetheless the overall look of this retro speeder is still somewhat.. attractive.

The point is retro.

Kinda wish they did that more often, I'd love a modern quality sculpt of the rogue trader dreadnought.

I know that the point of producing and selling this is to get those fan`s nostalgia juices flowing. I meant in terms of use in a Space Marine army - this looks like a death trap for the crew.

FW gave them controls, why not make the speeder look like it`s not about to mince up the pilots with their skilift chairs.

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:

changemod wrote:

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
Land speeder preview:

Spoiler:

Love the classic paint scheme

I can`t decide whether I like it or not.. The turbines right behind the seats - wut? When bullets start flying - there is no protection except for the power armour itself - wut? I like how it`s painted more than the mini it seems. So what`s the point? Bring multi melta as close and as fast as possible - surely there is a better way. Like a skull drone. At least modern Land Speeders have some protection and pack more heat (bascily they are warhammer helicopters). But nonetheless the overall look of this retro speeder is still somewhat.. attractive.

The point is retro.

Kinda wish they did that more often, I'd love a modern quality sculpt of the rogue trader dreadnought.

I know that the point of producing and selling this is to get those fan`s nostalgia juices flowing. I meant in terms of use in a Space Marine army - this looks like a death trap for the crew.

FW gave them controls, why not make the speeder look like it`s not about to mince up the pilots with their skilift chairs.

Its about as dangerous as a bike and they are wearing tank armor anyway.

You can add a control panel without throwing off the overall look of it, but the overall look of it is two chairs haphazardly strapped to a pair of jet engines with a Melta atop.

Frankly I think it looks ridiculous, yet is still at the same time a cool take on an ancient, in and of itself ridiculous, model. They tweaked it about as far as they could without losing the reference, so on that basis they did a good job and have probably accepted that the target market for this figure is people who want a retro rogue trader land speeder with modern sculpting techniques.

that speeder is sofa king dope.i can't wait till it's available.

I just hope it comes with multiple weapon options. It looks like melta in the pic.

I hope so too, but will FW be able to resist going the 'expansion pack' route with weapons options for it?

 Mysterio wrote:
I hope so too, but will FW be able to resist going the 'expansion pack' route with weapons options for it?

Looking at the Javelin, I think not.

changemod wrote:

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
Land speeder preview:

Spoiler:

Love the classic paint scheme

I can`t decide whether I like it or not.. The turbines right behind the seats - wut? When bullets start flying - there is no protection except for the power armour itself - wut? I like how it`s painted more than the mini it seems. So what`s the point? Bring multi melta as close and as fast as possible - surely there is a better way. Like a skull drone. At least modern Land Speeders have some protection and pack more heat (bascily they are warhammer helicopters). But nonetheless the overall look of this retro speeder is still somewhat.. attractive.

The point is retro.

Kinda wish they did that more often, I'd love a modern quality sculpt of the rogue trader dreadnought.

That's the Contemptor and Deredeo! I'd really like to see the re-imagining of the Space Crusade one...

Ah! Finally we have a Land Speeder useable in 30k. The plastic 40k one was first introduced several millennia after the Heresy, so is anachronistic in HH games.

I like how it looks, it is basically a dual jetbike. I suppose the point is mobility at the expense of armour.

Needs a safety sign saying do not stand while meltagun in use.

 Desubot wrote:
Its about as dangerous as a bike and they are wearing tank armor anyway.

Um, look up difference between having bike crash at 100 km/h and having a plane crash at 100 km/h. Hint, one is (theoretically) survivable, especially if you have full body protection, the other is not. It's even worse at higher speeds - first contact with the ground sends you tumbling and you end up with your head breaking your neck, or ripping it clean off if the force of impact is strong enough. It's not even remotely comparable. On the ground, you can survive much worse impacts (look up Kubica's 30G crash in 2007), in air, your chances are slim to none.

Anyway, yeah, don't like it. Old one at least had tiny pretense of being small enough to not be hit. New one is big, has turbines right behind pilot to send supersonic shrapnel from fantastically hard alloy right into his back once something hits it, and has zero pilot protection. Not even armoured harness assault marines wear to make sure first hit won't send the crew flying. FW, you realize a simple turn at 250 km/h can mean forces up to 9G acting on driver? In SM terms, each marine suddenly weighting 2.5 tons directed outward? There is a reason F1 drivers not only have 5 point harness, but special HANS device supporting their helmet and protecting neck from sudden forces acting on it...

Even the gun looks like it would hit bits of speeder (or pilot's head) if you tried to depress it low enough to hit something on the ground. They should have put it under the vehicle, where flamer on old speeder is, there is (again) reason modern helicopters mount gun turret there.

 Irbis wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
Its about as dangerous as a bike and they are wearing tank armor anyway.

Um, look up difference between having bike crash at 100 km/h and having a plane crash at 100 km/h. Hint, one is (theoretically) survivable, especially if you have full body protection, the other is not. It's even worse at higher speeds - first contact with the ground sends you tumbling and you end up with your head breaking your neck, or ripping it clean off if the force of impact is strong enough. It's not even remotely comparable. On the ground, you can survive much worse impacts (look up Kubica's 30G crash in 2007), in air, your chances are slim to none.

Anyway, yeah, don't like it. Old one at least had tiny pretense of being small enough to not be hit. New one is big, has turbines right behind pilot to send supersonic shrapnel from fantastically hard alloy right into his back once something hits it, and has zero pilot protection. Not even armoured harness assault marines wear to make sure first hit won't send the crew flying. FW, you realize a simple turn at 250 km/h can mean forces up to 9G acting on driver? In SM terms, each marine suddenly weighting 2.5 tons directed outward? There is a reason F1 drivers not only have 5 point harness, but special HANS device supporting their helmet and protecting neck from sudden forces acting on it...

Even the gun looks like it would hit bits of speeder (or pilot's head) if you tried to depress it low enough to hit something on the ground. They should have put it under the vehicle, where flamer on old speeder is, there is (again) reason modern helicopters mount gun turret there.

Please, suspend some disbelief here. This is an anti-gravity speeder for two genetically modified human soldiers in a galaxy-wide empire that relies on mutant navigators and psychics to travel through a hellscape dimension in its fight against a myriad of alien races and daemons in the name of an immortal god being who may also be dead (but is totally not dead).

And you are worried about the practicality of this vehicle.

 Irbis wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
Its about as dangerous as a bike and they are wearing tank armor anyway.

Um, look up difference between having bike crash at 100 km/h and having a plane crash at 100 km/h. Hint, one is (theoretically) survivable, especially if you have full body protection, the other is not. It's even worse at higher speeds - first contact with the ground sends you tumbling and you end up with your head breaking your neck, or ripping it clean off if the force of impact is strong enough. It's not even remotely comparable. On the ground, you can survive much worse impacts (look up Kubica's 30G crash in 2007), in air, your chances are slim to none.

Anyway, yeah, don't like it. Old one at least had tiny pretense of being small enough to not be hit. New one is big, has turbines right behind pilot to send supersonic shrapnel from fantastically hard alloy right into his back once something hits it, and has zero pilot protection. Not even armoured harness assault marines wear to make sure first hit won't send the crew flying. FW, you realize a simple turn at 250 km/h can mean forces up to 9G acting on driver? In SM terms, each marine suddenly weighting 2.5 tons directed outward? There is a reason F1 drivers not only have 5 point harness, but special HANS device supporting their helmet and protecting neck from sudden forces acting on it...

Even the gun looks like it would hit bits of speeder (or pilot's head) if you tried to depress it low enough to hit something on the ground. They should have put it under the vehicle, where flamer on old speeder is, there is (again) reason modern helicopters mount gun turret there.

Well its not like they are strapping anyhting the size of a harrier jet or a 747

more like one of those small planes or a car that can float.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:


Please, suspend some disbelief here. This is an anti-gravity speeder for two genetically modified human soldiers in a galaxy-wide empire that relies on mutant navigators and psychics to travel through a hellscape dimension in its fight against a myriad of alien races and daemons in the name of an immortal god being who may also be dead (but is totally not dead).

Sig-worthy, and probably a great place to end this admittedly entertaining diversion!

You don't even need to resort to the annoying(IMO) "it's just fantasy maaaan, suspend your disbelief, free your miiiind" line of argument, because you absolutely can cock things up when writing/designing for a fantasy/scifi IP if you break the internal consistency badly enough.

But, I'm not seeing how this breaks the setting's internal consistency. There are turbines right behind the crew in the plastic speeder. The crew of the plastic speeder are also exposed, albeit to a lesser degree, and there are certainly other Marine vehicles - including flying ones - that have exposed pilots. If they decided to fluff-away the lack of armour by stating this model of speeder uses a forcefield, that would also not be inconsistent with 30K.

There's no justifiable reason to dislike this version of the speeder - aesthetics aside - that doesn't also apply to the 40K speeder, to jetbikes, to the Javelin, to normal Marine bikers, etc etc.

Is it goofy as hell? Yup. Is it hideously impractical? Indeedy. Welcome to 40K/30K, where you can stick wings on a brick and it will fly, and where it apparently makes sense for elite warriors to ride around on flying dickbikes with lances shorter than the body of their mount. This is a pretty odd place to draw the line, IMO.

Personally I love it, though I don't know if I'll get one as from that angle it looks like it would be a huge pain in the arse to artscale it to fit Primaris-size pilots.

Damn that speeder looks… hideous.

While some old models still look good, and still fit in the setting – this is definitely not one of them. It doesn’t hold to either 30k or 40k aesthetics, and will just look silly on the table with the current range and Primaris marines.

It could look ok in a Guard army, if you swap the marines out for Guardsmen, but, I have no idea what unit you’d be proxying it for!

I’m not sure I agree with FW taking time out to try to make nostalgia plays.

 Haighus wrote:
Ah! Finally we have a Land Speeder useable in 30k.

We didn't before?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Haighus wrote:
Ah! Finally we have a Land Speeder useable in 30k.

We didn't before?

I'm glad someone made that point before I had to

No underslung weapon on this new/old Speeder? Interesting.

I wonder if we'll see an Imperial Army variant with a plasma cannon

 Haighus wrote:
Ah! Finally we have a Land Speeder useable in 30k. The plastic 40k one was first introduced several millennia after the Heresy, so is anachronistic in HH games.

Says who? There's background images in Forge World's books featuring the plastic Land Speeder. I thought there'd been pictures of it used in the old Horus Heresy CCG, but those are the 2nd edition Land Speeder (shown in use by the Emperor's Children and World Eaters) - which I believe is also going to be re-imagined.


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 Dysartes wrote:

No underslung weapon on this new/old Speeder? Interesting.

I think this model is just an alternative for the plastic model, not a new army list entry. So it only has a single weapon, like the standard land speeder

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Haighus wrote:
Ah! Finally we have a Land Speeder useable in 30k.

We didn't before?

That is a Javelin attack Speeder. Not a Land Speeder. They are different.

I use the old 2E metal land speeders in my 30K army.
Anyway, just a little more than a week until Valdor is released and I can place my order.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
I use the old 2E metal land speeders in my 30K army.

I always liked that design more than the current plastic one. As they're doing retro speeders, I wish they would make a new version of that.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 Haighus wrote:
Ah! Finally we have a Land Speeder useable in 30k. The plastic 40k one was first introduced several millennia after the Heresy, so is anachronistic in HH games.

Says who? There's background images in Forge World's books featuring the plastic Land Speeder. I thought there'd been pictures of it used in the old Horus Heresy CCG, but those are the 2nd edition Land Speeder (shown in use by the Emperor's Children and World Eaters) - which I believe is also going to be re-imagined.


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 Dysartes wrote:

No underslung weapon on this new/old Speeder? Interesting.

I think this model is just an alternative for the plastic model, not a new army list entry. So it only has a single weapon, like the standard land speeder

It has been awhile since I did the research, but it is in one of the Imperial Armour books I believe- STC recovered after the Heresy. Most plastic kits are available during the HH, so the Land Speeder is unusual. The Predator Annihilator is one of the few other examples.


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 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Haighus wrote:
Ah! Finally we have a Land Speeder useable in 30k.

We didn't before?

That is a Javelin attack Speeder. Not a Land Speeder. They are different.

Yup, with different rules. I could see a Land Speeder being done in this style though.


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Found it:

IA2 Second Edition, page 148. Specifically menitons that the current Land Speeder was dicovered post-Heresy, and that a much different looking design was used during the Great Crusade.

So seems FW retconned that text out then seeing it's been shown in HH art. IA2 2nd edition isnt' all that new book now is it?

tneva82 wrote:
So seems FW retconned that text out then seeing it's been shown in HH art. IA2 2nd edition isnt' all that new book now is it?

Released January 2014 from what I recall.

Finally, something that isn't gold space marines, doors, or doors for your gold space marines:







Still not terribly impressed with the Nazgul, but the other two look fine.

Yeah, the Nazgul are pretty meh with their similiar stances and their short legs.

Hey 1985 called they want their nazgul back

They're the Nazgul from the third Hobbit film. I like those designs. I don't like whoever is painting for FW does their very brush-y highlighting. Up close it's not great for photos.

 CURNOW wrote:
Hey 1985 called they want their nazgul back

Seriously! Who approved these!? They look like '80s Ral Partha stuff.

If you squint the Nazgul kind of look like Space Marines. I mean, dudes in full armour wielding silly weapons... you know, because we know Pere loves Marines so much.

 Hanskrampf wrote:
Yeah, the Nazgul are pretty meh with their similiar stances and their short legs.

I honestly think GW's original Nazgul minis they did themselves were much better than this. They shown much more imagination and made them really look like kings, from different cultures at that, not nine generic mooks in really impractical armour being virtual carbon copies of each other...

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 CURNOW wrote:
Hey 1985 called they want their nazgul back

Seriously! Who approved these!? They look like '80s Ral Partha stuff.

New Line Cinema. Who has to approve everything before it can be put into production.

 Irbis wrote:

 Hanskrampf wrote:
Yeah, the Nazgul are pretty meh with their similiar stances and their short legs.

I honestly think GW's original Nazgul minis they did themselves were much better than this. They shown much more imagination and made them really look like kings, from different cultures at that, not nine generic mooks in really impractical armour being virtual carbon copies of each other...

Well, the design is based on the Hobbit movies like H.B.M.C. said.
But it's still a boring and bad execution.

And yeah, the GW ones are still much better looking.

Hey, at least we can repurpose their weapons for our Space Marines right?


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The models are overall just kinda meh outside the ones with horns though. The one with horns is just ghastly.

 Peregrine wrote:
Finally, something that isn't gold space marines, doors, or doors for your gold .

Don't worry, that'll be next week when Valdor is released.
I'm looking forward to Valdor so I can place my big order.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They're the Nazgul from the third Hobbit film. I like those designs. I don't like whoever is painting for FW does their very brush-y highlighting. Up close it's not great for photos.

I love the designs in the film, but the models are very average. Someone sculpted their own a while ago which are much better. These are all in the same pose, I remember them being pretty dynamic in the film.

Really liking the Ringwraiths, might be my first purchase in 10 years for LOTR

Yeah the designs in the film are decent, but the execution of most of these new models is poor. Some of the weapons are also terrible for a truescale setting like LotR. The huge mace and the weird flamberge polearm especially.

 Haighus wrote:
Yeah the designs in the film are decent, but the execution of most of these new models is poor. Some of the weapons are also terrible for a truescale setting like LotR. The huge mace and the weird flamberge polearm especially.

You can blame Peter Jackson for those.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

 Haighus wrote:
Yeah the designs in the film are decent, but the execution of most of these new models is poor. Some of the weapons are also terrible for a truescale setting like LotR. The huge mace and the weird flamberge polearm especially.

You can blame Peter Jackson for those.

who doesnt?

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Constantin-Valdor-Captain-General-of-the-Legio-Custodes-2018

Valdor

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 CURNOW wrote:
Hey 1985 called they want their nazgul back

Seriously! Who approved these!? They look like '80s Ral Partha stuff.

New Line Cinema. Who has to approve everything before it can be put into production.

They have final approval yeah but thats normaly on design matching .actual quality of the sculpt and pose etc would still come down to forgeworld

 Hanskrampf wrote:
Well, the design is based on the Hobbit movies like H.B.M.C. said.

I know, they still look ugly. I can't shake the feeling of 'catholic priest in black skirt badly cosplaying medieval ages with random bits of cardboard armour sprayed silver thrown on top'

 reds8n wrote:
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Constantin-Valdor-Captain-General-of-the-Legio-Custodes-2018

Valdor

Yay! I cheer, while my wallet cries, as I plan out the Custodes order I'll be making tonight.

Termite is here!



£75 of your hard earned. Not bad. Lots of rules including for 40k

Also, for April, spend over £100 to get free shipping.

Not sure if FW understands 8th edition. This thing has to set up outside of 9" and has basically all 8" guns. Units embarked don't auto-disembark so they basically waste a turn.

I guess it's interesting that it does a mortal wound to nearby enemy units but unfortunately most players understand now how to prevent "deep strike" from being too effective.

It's atleast a relatively unique option for CSM but seems totally pointless for SM.

It's not really made for 8th they just do rules to keep the parent company happy, it's a heresy vehicle and one to be respected.

 Kirasu wrote:
Not sure if FW understands 8th edition. This thing has to set up outside of 9" and has basically all 8" guns. Units embarked don't auto-disembark so they basically waste a turn.

I guess it's interesting that it does a mortal wound to nearby enemy units but unfortunately most players understand now how to prevent "deep strike" from being too effective.

It's atleast a relatively unique option for CSM but seems totally pointless for SM.

Well it was designed in 31th millenium when there was no moral handicap at burrowing under the enemy and causing damage to them on top of that! And if you wanted some range 15" volkites were of help.

Not FW's fault Imperium decided in 41st millenium that driving under the enemy is unethical

And hey GW doesn't understand either with plenty of deep striking units having access to flamers(hah) and meltas(hah)

Last chance to buy FW paints, what the hell?
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-EU/searchResults?N=2278076619+3872922800

Or will they actually remake them in dropper bottles?
If not, I'm grabbing like 3 bottles of Angron Red, Castellax bronze, Iron Hands steel. Those are soo lovely!

I lold at the fact the Mechanicus cant use it in 40k.

I want one for my Underhive setup. Have it crashed somewhere.

 CragHack wrote:
Last chance to buy FW paints, what the hell?
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-EU/searchResults?N=2278076619+3872922800

Wot? That's...bummer. Hopefully just redoing style as I have no idea how I would do sons of horus vechiles then without altering look from previous models. going to be some serious work on finding equilavent vallejo colours or repainting old ones to new version.

 CragHack wrote:
Last chance to buy FW paints, what the hell?
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-EU/searchResults?N=2278076619+3872922800

Or will they actually remake them in dropper bottles?
If not, I'm grabbing like 3 bottles of Angron Red, Castellax bronze, Iron Hands steel. Those are soo lovely!

Etched brass plates going as well. Maybe they're not big sellers? I know i can get the Vallejo Air paints as well as the Tamiya's a lot cheaper than those especially after the crippling Forgeworld postage tax.

 Crazyterran wrote:
I lold at the fact the Mechanicus cant use it in 40k.

Page 37 of the Rulebook states that "The Mechanicum faction is never allowed to have a transport"

But I just started painting some imperial fists with Phalanx yellow, FFS GW.

I can but hope they are updating the range into dropper bottles or merging it into the main citadel line etc, they have some nice colours.

I guess that if they told people dropper bottles are coming, no one would panic buy these

At least now, I'm pretty much forced to spend about 50 quid for various paints I find superior to other paints. I/e Angron Red>Tamiya clear red.

UGH, JFC FW, way to prove to the anti-FW crowd that you can't write good rules to save your life. Five huge melta weapons and all it gets is a single shot that's weaker than a melta gun? No special melee attacks if the giant melta drill charges you? The useful attack of the 30k version reduced to a single mortal wound to a horde of meatshields, because apparently the 40k crew is all Canadians and too polite to ram into enemy units? Why would you ever take this trash over a drop pod? Even the 30k version is still pretty terrible, but at least it might have a niche role of giving a drop pod to units (like SA flamer squads) that can't otherwise take a good transport.

 Peregrine wrote:
UGH, JFC FW, way to prove to the anti-FW crowd that you can't write good rules to save your life. Five huge melta weapons and all it gets is a single shot that's weaker than a melta gun? No special melee attacks if the giant melta drill charges you? The useful attack of the 30k version reduced to a single mortal wound to a horde of meatshields, because apparently the 40k crew is all Canadians and too polite to ram into enemy units? Why would you ever take this trash over a drop pod? Even the 30k version is still pretty terrible, but at least it might have a niche role of giving a drop pod to units (like SA flamer squads) that can't otherwise take a good transport.

"We're aboot to ram their fortifications, sir!"

"Aboot that, seems pretty jmpolite, eh? Better pop up and ask first!"

*drill breaks outside of the walls, one nearby cultist gets hit by debris*

"Sorry aboot that!"

So rules are terrible and there is no rules for Ad Mech to take them, which would have been the only reason for me to get it in the first place.

Considering how FW has been handling their rules recently, it seems to me that someone in the rules department has really adamantly decided that they don't want to sell their models.

 Crazyterran wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:
UGH, JFC FW, way to prove to the anti-FW crowd that you can't write good rules to save your life. Five huge melta weapons and all it gets is a single shot that's weaker than a melta gun? No special melee attacks if the giant melta drill charges you? The useful attack of the 30k version reduced to a single mortal wound to a horde of meatshields, because apparently the 40k crew is all Canadians and too polite to ram into enemy units? Why would you ever take this trash over a drop pod? Even the 30k version is still pretty terrible, but at least it might have a niche role of giving a drop pod to units (like SA flamer squads) that can't otherwise take a good transport.

"We're aboot to ram their fortifications, sir!"

"Aboot that, seems pretty jmpolite, eh? Better pop up and ask first!"

*drill breaks outside of the walls, one nearby cultist gets hit by debris*

"Sorry aboot that!"

Canadian marines!

 MrFlutterPie wrote:
Canadian marines!

Canadian Shock Troops, surely?

 Kirasu wrote:
Not sure if FW understands 8th edition. This thing has to set up outside of 9" and has basically all 8" guns. Units embarked don't auto-disembark so they basically waste a turn.

I guess it's interesting that it does a mortal wound to nearby enemy units but unfortunately most players understand now how to prevent "deep strike" from being too effective.

It's atleast a relatively unique option for CSM but seems totally pointless for SM.

It is hilarious that you could, quite easily, take 3-5 of them and have them just pop up and poop 5 mortal wounds in a 12" AOE.

 zedmeister wrote:


Canadian Shock Troops, surely?

As a Canadian I cannot overstate how often I misread 'Cadian' when it comes up in 40k.

 zedmeister wrote:
Termite is here!

Spoiler:

£75 of your hard earned. Not bad. Lots of rules including for 40k

Also, for April, spend over £100 to get free shipping.

I can't believe I'm saying this but the Mantic version actually looks better, even if less practical, for a fraction of the price.

Hellforged looks to be much better. Just to be clear, I can abuse Machina Malefica + ToT, right? RIGHT?!?!

 zedmeister wrote:

 CragHack wrote:
Last chance to buy FW paints, what the hell?
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-EU/searchResults?N=2278076619+3872922800

Or will they actually remake them in dropper bottles?
If not, I'm grabbing like 3 bottles of Angron Red, Castellax bronze, Iron Hands steel. Those are soo lovely!

Etched brass plates going as well. Maybe they're not big sellers? I know i can get the Vallejo Air paints as well as the Tamiya's a lot cheaper than those especially after the crippling Forgeworld postage tax.

Price isn't the sole thing though, they produce a lot of colors which are just right for the Legion schemes, whereas other ranges, Citadel included, require mixing or not being quite right. Hence I've just ordered extra for my EC having settled on the FW paints after trying a bunch of others.

Weirdly, having placed a low value order, the shipping has probably worked out cheaper than pretty much any other online retailer for the equivalent order.

Fingers crossed it's a repackage, or they hang around for a week or two, as I probably need to stock up on more than I can afford to spare the cash for right now.

The wording on the helforged version is identical to the FW drop pods: <Legion> or <Mark of Chaos> infantry unit. Last I checked with ITC, that means infantry Daemons can embark on it. Just an easier way to get your Heralds up the board without spending CP.

ITC isn't the end all be all of rules, but I usually trust their rules judgement. And yes, I know it says MARK OF CHAOS and not <MARK OF CHAOS>, but it's clear they intended it to act similar to their drop pods. Anyone have a scale on this thing yet? I'd love to proxy it and test it out.

This is from Bolter and Chainsword

‘Just got of the phone with the chaps over at FW, and placed an order for some paints for when certain armies of mine come out hiding from the wardrobe of doom...
Yep - all the FW paints are going away. Most of the colours have a few hundred pots in stock so there isn't a mad rush as of yet. Apparently the Sons of Horus Green was at around 270-ish pots whilst I was making my order.
No specific reason as to why it's gone from the range, it was a very generic reason of "Throughout the year we review our catalogue, and sometimes we have to make space for newer items because we can only hold so many ranges and items." - something we've a number of times before and not hugely surprising. I did push further to see if there was a potential for it to come back later, or maybe be folded into the main GW paint line, and there was no confirmation either way. The only thing that was made clear was that this would likely be the last time that these colours in this format would be available, so if you want to make sure you better go and order some.’

GW really needs to grasp that selling to collectors and then discontinuing paints (or changing the colours every few years) are not compatible.

Just guaranteed to annoy people.

 Azreal13 wrote:

Weirdly, having placed a low value order, the shipping has probably worked out cheaper than pretty much any other online retailer for the equivalent order.

Five paints and a free catalog = 1.55 pounds "sales tax" + 2.81 pounds shipping to the US.

T

One of the loot sharing group on facebook posted

Pete Day
I called this morning. The guy on the phone said they did not sell enough and would not be refreshed in any form.

so it sounds like the paints are gone for good rather than just disappearing for a repack/change to dropper bottles

Dang, You know if they'd have sold these through US stores and in the GW main webstore they'd have sold like gangbusters.

 Crazyterran wrote:
I lold at the fact the Mechanicus cant use it in 40k.

Can't let 'em have transports now, can we?

 Peregrine wrote:
No special melee attacks if the giant melta drill charges you?

Yeah I thought that was weird. Giant drilling machine that can rip through any material and... it kinda just bumps into you in HTH combat.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
I lold at the fact the Mechanicus cant use it in 40k.

Can't let 'em have transports now, can we?

 Peregrine wrote:
No special melee attacks if the giant melta drill charges you?

Yeah I thought that was weird. Giant drilling machine that can rip through any material and... it kinda just bumps into you in HTH combat.

I don't get why Admech doesn't have access to transports. you'd think that the ones responsible for a majority of the arms/armour for the imperium, should have something.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:
No special melee attacks if the giant melta drill charges you?

Yeah I thought that was weird. Giant drilling machine that can rip through any material and... it kinda just bumps into you in HTH combat.

The really stupid thing is they already have a decent set of rules for the Hades drill. All they had to do was copy/paste it onto this new drill, but instead we get trash.

 Cephalobeard wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
Not sure if FW understands 8th edition. This thing has to set up outside of 9" and has basically all 8" guns. Units embarked don't auto-disembark so they basically waste a turn.

I guess it's interesting that it does a mortal wound to nearby enemy units but unfortunately most players understand now how to prevent "deep strike" from being too effective.

It's atleast a relatively unique option for CSM but seems totally pointless for SM.

It is hilarious that you could, quite easily, take 3-5 of them and have them just pop up and poop 5 mortal wounds in a 12" AOE.

Yeah, congrats on killing those 5 scouts. Unless you're playing against a very inexperienced player they'll see this coming from a mile away.

Are there any rumors when the next book will come out and what it will be? Thanks for the replies.

 griffen127 wrote:
Are there any rumors when the next book will come out and what it will be? Thanks for the replies.

For 40k it should be Fires of Cyraxus which is AdMech, Red Scorpions and Tau. No clue when, it’s been due for like 2 years at this point. For the Horus Heresy it’s Malevolence, which has Blood Angels, White Scars and Daemons, and also some additions for the Alpha legion and Space Wolves. It’s due at the end of the year but will almost certainly end up being next year.

Well the FW clear paints are sold out already. :(

 ImAGeek wrote:

 griffen127 wrote:
Are there any rumors when the next book will come out and what it will be? Thanks for the replies.

For 40k it should be Fires of Cyraxus which is AdMech, Red Scorpions and Tau. No clue when, it’s been due for like 2 years at this point. For the Horus Heresy it’s Malevolence, which has Blood Angels, White Scars and Daemons, and also some additions for the Alpha legion and Space Wolves. It’s due at the end of the year but will almost certainly end up being next year.

Probably shouldnt be saying this but my buddy is one of the people writing that book and he told me that is WAS finished, ready to be sent to the printers and they then got told that 8th was coming and had to completely start again, Alan Bligh then died and it threw the entirety of the FW team into a "funk" so to speak, delaying nearly everything they had coming by a large margin.

 Formosa wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 griffen127 wrote:
Are there any rumors when the next book will come out and what it will be? Thanks for the replies.

For 40k it should be Fires of Cyraxus which is AdMech, Red Scorpions and Tau. No clue when, it’s been due for like 2 years at this point. For the Horus Heresy it’s Malevolence, which has Blood Angels, White Scars and Daemons, and also some additions for the Alpha legion and Space Wolves. It’s due at the end of the year but will almost certainly end up being next year.

Probably shouldnt be saying this but my buddy is one of the people writing that book and he told me that is WAS finished, ready to be sent to the printers and they then got told that 8th was coming and had to completely start again, Alan Bligh then died and it threw the entirety of the FW team into a "funk" so to speak, delaying nearly everything they had coming by a large margin.

If you don't mind, I'd just like an idea of the stats they had for 7th. I know it doesn't matter now but I'm still curious either way.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 griffen127 wrote:
Are there any rumors when the next book will come out and what it will be? Thanks for the replies.

For 40k it should be Fires of Cyraxus which is AdMech, Red Scorpions and Tau. No clue when, it’s been due for like 2 years at this point. For the Horus Heresy it’s Malevolence, which has Blood Angels, White Scars and Daemons, and also some additions for the Alpha legion and Space Wolves. It’s due at the end of the year but will almost certainly end up being next year.

Probably shouldnt be saying this but my buddy is one of the people writing that book and he told me that is WAS finished, ready to be sent to the printers and they then got told that 8th was coming and had to completely start again, Alan Bligh then died and it threw the entirety of the FW team into a "funk" so to speak, delaying nearly everything they had coming by a large margin.

If you don't mind, I'd just like an idea of the stats they had for 7th. I know it doesn't matter now but I'm still curious either way.

Forget the stats, what mech models are they porting over to 40k?

 Crazyterran wrote:
I lold at the fact the Mechanicus cant use it in 40k.

Nor can the Guard or Sororitas, despite the fact that the Imperialis Militias and Solar Auxillary can use them in 30k. As usual, it's a SPHESS MUHREEN exclusive vehicle in 40k.

 oldravenman3025 wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
I lold at the fact the Mechanicus cant use it in 40k.

Nor can the Guard or Sororitas, despite the fact that the Imperialis Militias and Solar Auxillary can use them in 30k. As usual, it's a SPHESS MUHREEN exclusive vehicle in 40k.

Like Guard really needed something like this.

I'd argue for it being available to Sisters though

 oldravenman3025 wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
I lold at the fact the Mechanicus cant use it in 40k.

Nor can the Guard or Sororitas, despite the fact that the Imperialis Militias and Solar Auxillary can use them in 30k. As usual, it's a SPHESS MUHREEN exclusive vehicle in 40k.

Marines, Imperial Guard and Squats could use them in Epic, IIRC. Silly to now restrict them to Muhrines!

Coulda shoulda woulda but should have been a plastic kit for all Imperial factions and they’d have sold a whole pile of them!

 JohnnyHell wrote:


Marines, Imperial Guard and Squats could use them in Epic, IIRC. Silly to now restrict them to Muhrines!

Coulda shoulda woulda but should have been a plastic kit for all Imperial factions and they’d have sold a whole pile of them!

Sure, do you know who could've used them, period? Admech.
Honestly they should've just been availble to everyone in the imperium and chaos, it's a cool looking unit that I seriously doubt would shift any sort of balance in the meta. The restriction is only hurting themselves here, I'd buy one if I could actually use it

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 oldravenman3025 wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
I lold at the fact the Mechanicus cant use it in 40k.

Nor can the Guard or Sororitas, despite the fact that the Imperialis Militias and Solar Auxillary can use them in 30k. As usual, it's a SPHESS MUHREEN exclusive vehicle in 40k.

Like Guard really needed something like this.

I'd argue for it being available to Sisters though

Death Korps of Krieg, or any other regiments that specialize in siege warfare.


I could also see the Tempestus Militarum using something like this.


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JohnnyHell wrote:

 oldravenman3025 wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
I lold at the fact the Mechanicus cant use it in 40k.

Nor can the Guard or Sororitas, despite the fact that the Imperialis Militias and Solar Auxillary can use them in 30k. As usual, it's a SPHESS MUHREEN exclusive vehicle in 40k.

Marines, Imperial Guard and Squats could use them in Epic, IIRC. Silly to now restrict them to Muhrines!

Coulda shoulda woulda but should have been a plastic kit for all Imperial factions and they’d have sold a whole pile of them!

PiñaColada wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:


Marines, Imperial Guard and Squats could use them in Epic, IIRC. Silly to now restrict them to Muhrines!

Coulda shoulda woulda but should have been a plastic kit for all Imperial factions and they’d have sold a whole pile of them!

Sure, do you know who could've used them, period? Admech.
Honestly they should've just been availble to everyone in the imperium and chaos, it's a cool looking unit that I seriously doubt would shift any sort of balance in the meta. The restriction is only hurting themselves here, I'd buy one if I could actually use it

This. It get's tiresome that the SPHESS MUHREENZ gets exclusive access to all of the cool stuff. Throw the rest of us a bone on occasion.

Hahaha, so apparently FWs FB post about termite received so much flakk, they decided to delete it And the paints...Hoo, boi, they better add new Thousand Sons pictures to their website, since people won't be ever able to achieve that kind of color again

 CragHack wrote:
Hahaha, so apparently FWs FB post about termite received so much flakk, they decided to delete it And the paints...Hoo, boi, they better add new Thousand Sons pictures to their website, since people won't be ever able to achieve that kind of color again

It was removed because of people being upset they couldn't use it? Also, love the username. That's a blast from the past

Oh they were sniping off comments about admech not getting a transport all day, then gave up and deleted the post.

Huh, they deleted the complaints that it was marine only for no reason? I guess GW / FW hasn't changed much after all.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Huh, they deleted the complaints that it was marine only for no reason? I guess GW / FW hasn't changed much after all.

Literally the same as 5 years back!

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Huh, they deleted the complaints that it was marine only for no reason? I guess GW / FW hasn't changed much after all.

There's a difference between making suggestions and what probably happened. What probably happened is a bunch of whining and a bunch of "I'll never buy your product again" and a bunch of crap like that.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

There's a difference between making suggestions and what probably happened. What probably happened is a bunch of whining and a bunch of "I'll never buy your product again" and a bunch of crap like that.

I have no trouble believing people were acting antagonistic and entitled so I understand their thought process. I do however find that particular solution poor, since it conveys no message at all. They should just write a statement where the acknowledge the fact that many people are asking for their army to also get rules for it and say that they've taken that under advisement. Simply deleting messages and offering no retort is a quick way of losing goodwill.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Huh, they deleted the complaints that it was marine only for no reason? I guess GW / FW hasn't changed much after all.

There's a difference between making suggestions and what probably happened. What probably happened is a bunch of whining and a bunch of "I'll never buy your product again" and a bunch of crap like that.

So, customer feedback then. Maybe not feedback they wanted, but isn't nuGW supposed to be all about listening to the fans?

I mean seriously, the fact they couldn't foresee this would annoy people, and the fact they couldn't then muster up two braincells to rub together to say "wait for Cyraxis"(assuming they're not 100% moronic and actually will be giving the Mechanicus access to the Termite in that) or "we'll take what you've said on board and consider some experimental rules for a Mechanicus version" or whatever to defuse the situation, rather than reverting to type and calling in the Negativity Police to delete comments and eventually just deleting the whole thread in a sulk is nobody's fault but theirs. Deleting actual abuse is one thing, but this was not that.

It's going to depend on how much was simple complaints, and how much was stuff that breached facebooks language/behaviour terms.

If it was getting really nasty better to delete totally rather than have facebook getting grumpy with them as the group/page owner for not keeping things 'clean'

Edit: and I've seen enough moaning being left alone on the various new GW facebook pages to think that this was something above and beyond the norm, hopefully they'll give it another try later when fewer trolls might be around

FW need the OK from the HQ for 40k models and rules. So I suppose the HQ have their own opinion about what the AdMech should have or not. And I doubt the Cyraxis book will give them the full Mechanicus love.

Blaming FW on their FB site is just futile. What should they say? 'Yeah, we could, but...'

There's a difference between "listening to the fans" and leaving up a post full of toxic talkback on what's supposed to bea marketing channel, and one with a 'Hey, play nice now!' caveat up front.

If peeps emailed in calmly, great. If everyone nerdrages on a FB post of course they're not going to leave that up!

 JohnnyHell wrote:
If peeps emailed in calmly, great. If everyone nerdrages on a FB post of course they're not going to leave that up!

(as for myself I have done the 'polite email to FW' option)

I can see how them deleting the post rather than leave all the foul language and whining up to fuel the fire.

They should give Admech some love, I would totally buy one for my Metallica, but I have no interest in it for anybody else.

Maybe people think that by <REDACTED> FW to death and making them delete their news in result, will result in FW taking some kind of action. Because, really, why not give the rules? Just like with Custodes - it took them countless posts of "maybe fw does not want money", "great, why can't i play it in 40k" whining to get noticed

Not that I really care about any of those rules...

Please do not circumvent the language filters - BrookM

It's also happened over a weekend- the staff curating the page in the last two days may not have had the authority or knowledge to adequately answer requests about the Termite being provided to other forces, and have been forced to wait till Monday at the earliest to contact someone who can make the decision. So in the meanwhile they've been policing the comments thread, and then decided it was easier to delete it. Hopefully this is followed by an explanation next week in good will, otherwise it is a bit heavy handed by itself.

 CragHack wrote:
Hahaha, so apparently FWs FB post about termite received so much flakk, they decided to delete it And the paints...Hoo, boi, they better add new Thousand Sons pictures to their website, since people won't be ever able to achieve that kind of color again

Well clear paints aren't FW only products.

tneva82 wrote:

 CragHack wrote:
Hahaha, so apparently FWs FB post about termite received so much flakk, they decided to delete it And the paints...Hoo, boi, they better add new Thousand Sons pictures to their website, since people won't be ever able to achieve that kind of color again

Well clear paints aren't FW only products.

No, but other brands are quite different in how they turn out

Alphaaaaarius!

Good Lord that is one gorgeous model!

Available for pre-release at Warhammer Fest according to the article

I like the fact he is stabbing somebody in the back.

Any news on if they did him bare headed?

I feel like the Space Wolf he's slaying is very unfortunately posed.


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 Looky Likey wrote:
I like the fact he is stabbing somebody in the back.

Any news on if they did him bare headed?

Warhammer Community wrote:While Alpharius is known for his variety of disguises and love of deception, this rendition of Alpharius portrays him in his full panoply of war, and fits perfectly with any Alpha Legion units you already have. Unlike all other Primarchs, he’s been depicted with his helmet on – for all we know, there could just be a particularly talented legionnaire in there while Alpharius hides in one of your Tactical Squads…

No bare head!

 Looky Likey wrote:
I like the fact he is stabbing somebody in the back.

Any news on if they did him bare headed?

The temptation to convert him so that it looks like he's stabbing a sentry with his back to him will be hard to resist

Also, on the helmet:

While Alpharius is known for his variety of disguises and love of deception, this rendition of Alpharius portrays him in his full panoply of war, and fits perfectly with any Alpha Legion units you already have. Unlike all other Primarchs, he’s been depicted with his helmet on – for all we know, there could just be a particularly talented legionnaire in there while Alpharius hides in one of your Tactical Squads…

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All our dreams are coming true in 2018, folks...

So far. Just need Fires and I think we will have satisfied just about everyone.

Edit:

Also, lol to the glowy gem that just says "Please, shoot me here in the head, kthx"

That is a nice model, just not a fan of the glowing gem on the helmet. But other than that, very very nice indeed!

What the hell are you guys talking about? All I see is a regular Alpha Legionnaire.


In all seriousness though, that mini is gorgeous.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
In all seriousness though, that mini is gorgeous.

And bonus points for a base that isn't bigger than the model

 zedmeister wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
In all seriousness though, that mini is gorgeous.

And bonus points for a base that isn't bigger than the model

You haven't seen the display base that is just 20 more Alpharius models...

That is one fine looking mini. Probably my favourite primarch yet.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Alphaaaaarius!

Rolling over to new page.

I wish they went with the metallic scheme rather than a matte.

But I am keen to finally get him.

Looks amazing!

It’s really nice to see a primarch model that’s only a head taller than most marines. It’s like a little window into what could have been.

Amazing. I will have to paint him up in regular metallics and candies to keep him consistent with the rest of my AL stuff, but I like the NMM too. Need to find some cool recipe for those green details now.

Do we have a rough ETA on that model yet?

*Edit: General release "soon" and pre-sale at Warhammer Fest.

Brilliant model. I love the way they’ve painted it too. That green and blue combination works so well.

An Idoneth Deepkin Marine! Base needs some fish though.

Definitely one of their better primarchs! I'm glad that one worked out. IMO that's two good ones in a row (Dorn, Alpharius). I'm personally a bit meh on Leman Russ.


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 Kanluwen wrote:
I feel like the Space Wolf he's slaying is very unfortunately posed.

I'm not sure there is a fortunate way of getting stabbed in the back but I think I see what you did there.

 warboss wrote:
Definitely one of their better primarchs! I'm glad that one worked out. IMO that's two good ones in a row (Dorn, Alpharius). I'm personally a bit meh on Leman Russ.


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 Kanluwen wrote:
I feel like the Space Wolf he's slaying is very unfortunately posed.

I'm not sure there is a fortunate way of getting stabbed in the back but I think I see what you did there.

A thousand years of death

My favorite primarch from GW/FW so far!.
-the pose is not over the top, but not boring
-the armor is not "blingfest 3000"
-we don't see the face, that FW are so good at sculpting
-pretty details!
-the base is not a giant chunk of resin, the primarch is trying to balance on

changemod wrote:
It’s really nice to see a primarch model that’s only a head taller than most marines. It’s like a little window into what could have been.

Yep. It actually looks like it belongs to the same game with the normal Marines.

 Yodhrin wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Huh, they deleted the complaints that it was marine only for no reason? I guess GW / FW hasn't changed much after all.

There's a difference between making suggestions and what probably happened. What probably happened is a bunch of whining and a bunch of "I'll never buy your product again" and a bunch of crap like that.

So, customer feedback then. Maybe not feedback they wanted, but isn't nuGW supposed to be all about listening to the fans?

I mean seriously, the fact they couldn't foresee this would annoy people, and the fact they couldn't then muster up two braincells to rub together to say "wait for Cyraxis"(assuming they're not 100% moronic and actually will be giving the Mechanicus access to the Termite in that) or "we'll take what you've said on board and consider some experimental rules for a Mechanicus version" or whatever to defuse the situation, rather than reverting to type and calling in the Negativity Police to delete comments and eventually just deleting the whole thread in a sulk is nobody's fault but theirs. Deleting actual abuse is one thing, but this was not that.

I'm willing to bet it was actual verbal abuse and just legit whining rather than actual suggestions. Unless you can provide screenshots proving otherwise that's what I'm going to believe.

So today i was forced into buying like 15 pots of airbrush paint from them that I don't need currently. The entire line is getting discontinued. How reliable.

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
So today i was forced into buying like 15 pots of airbrush paint from them that I don't need currently. The entire line is getting discontinued. How reliable.

Isn't it all just repackaged Vallejo (and Tamiya clears) anyhow? Honestly, Vallejo is just better (droppers!) and cheaper.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
So today i was forced into buying like 15 pots of airbrush paint from them that I don't need currently. The entire line is getting discontinued. How reliable.

Isn't it all just repackaged Vallejo (and Tamiya clears) anyhow? Honestly, Vallejo is just better (droppers!) and cheaper.

Lets hope, because its too late for me to switch the base coat on my entire army.

Alpharius looks amazing, was worth the wait (thankfully).

I really like it too. Paint job's a bit rough in places (see plasma pistol) but you can't have everything. Not an Alpha Legion collector myself but will be buying this!

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
So today i was forced into buying like 15 pots of airbrush paint from them that I don't need currently. The entire line is getting discontinued. How reliable.

Isn't it all just repackaged Vallejo (and Tamiya clears) anyhow? Honestly, Vallejo is just better (droppers!) and cheaper.

They don't seem to do a decent clear purple though :(

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Huh, they deleted the complaints that it was marine only for no reason? I guess GW / FW hasn't changed much after all.

There's a difference between making suggestions and what probably happened. What probably happened is a bunch of whining and a bunch of "I'll never buy your product again" and a bunch of crap like that.

So, customer feedback then. Maybe not feedback they wanted, but isn't nuGW supposed to be all about listening to the fans?

I mean seriously, the fact they couldn't foresee this would annoy people, and the fact they couldn't then muster up two braincells to rub together to say "wait for Cyraxis"(assuming they're not 100% moronic and actually will be giving the Mechanicus access to the Termite in that) or "we'll take what you've said on board and consider some experimental rules for a Mechanicus version" or whatever to defuse the situation, rather than reverting to type and calling in the Negativity Police to delete comments and eventually just deleting the whole thread in a sulk is nobody's fault but theirs. Deleting actual abuse is one thing, but this was not that.

I'm willing to bet it was actual verbal abuse and just legit whining rather than actual suggestions. Unless you can provide screenshots proving otherwise that's what I'm going to believe.

You're free to imagine whatever you like. Personally I tend to default to the proposition that the accuser/deleter is the one who has to provide evidence, and you'd think that if there had been a torrent of genuine abuse someone would have said so and provided pics rather than it just being speculation.

Regardless - Alpharius is spectacular. I do want to see what he looks like next to a Primaris though, hopefully he's not *too* short so I can use him with truescale marines.

 Yodhrin wrote:

You're free to imagine whatever you like. Personally I tend to default to the proposition that the accuser/deleter is the one who has to provide evidence, and you'd think that if there had been a torrent of genuine abuse someone would have said so and provided pics rather than it just being speculation.

Why is it so hard to believe? You post online--you should know that yeah, it is a thing that happens--and nobody should realistically have to provide you with screenshots for you to know that yes, GW fans have in their midst entitled manbabies who cry about everything and anything to a ridiculous extreme.

Additionally, a lot of the "criticisms" were couched with ridiculous amounts of expletives and GW tries to keep a 'family friendly' atmosphere on their Facebook pages. If a post gets too badly flooded with it, they're going to delete the post rather than remove the offending bits. It's just easier that way.

Regardless - Alpharius is spectacular. I do want to see what he looks like next to a Primaris though, hopefully he's not *too* short so I can use him with truescale marines.

I'd guess he would be okay but who knows for sure?

changemod wrote:
It’s really nice to see a primarch model that’s only a head taller than most marines. It’s like a little window into what could have been.

Still too big to pass as a regular Marine, which is disappointing. But yes, this is how big the rest of the Primarchs should have been.

He's certainly pretty, though.

 zedmeister wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
So today i was forced into buying like 15 pots of airbrush paint from them that I don't need currently. The entire line is getting discontinued. How reliable.

Isn't it all just repackaged Vallejo (and Tamiya clears) anyhow? Honestly, Vallejo is just better (droppers!) and cheaper.

They don't seem to do a decent clear purple though :(

Who? FW or Tamiya? Because Tamiya does (X-16).

 insaniak wrote:

changemod wrote:
It’s really nice to see a primarch model that’s only a head taller than most marines. It’s like a little window into what could have been.

Still too big to pass as a regular Marine, which is disappointing. But yes, this is how big the rest of the Primarchs should have been.

He's certainly pretty, though.

Didn't "Legion" talk about how there was a whole grouping of Alpha Legionnaires who were taller than most and would sometimes pose as Alpharius or Omegon?

Love that ultramarine with the spear

 Kanluwen wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

changemod wrote:
It’s really nice to see a primarch model that’s only a head taller than most marines. It’s like a little window into what could have been.

Still too big to pass as a regular Marine, which is disappointing. But yes, this is how big the rest of the Primarchs should have been.

He's certainly pretty, though.

Didn't "Legion" talk about how there was a whole grouping of Alpha Legionnaires who were taller than most and would sometimes pose as Alpharius or Omegon?

Yes, but in the context of them being larger, but still passing for a regular marine.

Comparing this guy to the space wolf on the base, the marine would come up to about the middle of his chest. That's a pretty significant height difference.

 insaniak wrote:

changemod wrote:
It’s really nice to see a primarch model that’s only a head taller than most marines. It’s like a little window into what could have been.

Still too big to pass as a regular Marine, which is disappointing. But yes, this is how big the rest of the Primarchs should have been.

He's certainly pretty, though.

Thats because regular marines are midgets and disproportionated, even based in the lower end of their height by the fluff.

Spectacular model, I absolutely love it.

Wow, this may be the first one of the HH Primarchs that I really, really want! Still waiting on The Lion, of course, but Alpharius is really cool!

Alpharius/Omegon/normal legionaire looks so badass

I've heard rumour that FW will soon cease production on rogue militia and possibly elysian ranges. Might be worth picking up any bits sooner rather than later.

 JamesY wrote:
I've heard rumour that FW will soon cease production on rogue militia and possibly elysian ranges. Might be worth picking up any bits sooner rather than later.

I really hope this isn’t the case.

The only reason why I’ve not brought any Elysians yet is because I’ve got so many other projects to finish first and I’ve been waiting on their proper “codex” style release.

On the flip side… It’s one less set of rules they have to write, so the others might come sooner… …

 JamesY wrote:
I've heard rumour that FW will soon cease production on rogue militia and possibly elysian ranges. Might be worth picking up any bits sooner rather than later.

Typical. They've been expiring Elysians slowly. Tauros, Flamers, Lascutters, Respirator Heads all gone. Still have a bit to buy. Time to prioritise :(

 zedmeister wrote:

 JamesY wrote:
I've heard rumour that FW will soon cease production on rogue militia and possibly elysian ranges. Might be worth picking up any bits sooner rather than later.

Typical. They've been expiring Elysians slowly. Tauros, Flamers, Lascutters, Respirator Heads all gone. Still have a bit to buy. Time to prioritise :(

Don't worry, I'm sure they will be replaced by way more interesting new sets of Space Marine doors!

 Crimson wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:

 JamesY wrote:
I've heard rumour that FW will soon cease production on rogue militia and possibly elysian ranges. Might be worth picking up any bits sooner rather than later.

Typical. They've been expiring Elysians slowly. Tauros, Flamers, Lascutters, Respirator Heads all gone. Still have a bit to buy. Time to prioritise :(

Don't worry, I'm sure they will be replaced by way more interesting new sets of Space Marine doors!

Ouch, is the only word i have for you, Sir

Let's not start another cycle of that please, m'kay?

If true, sad to see the Elysians go though, poor blighters never got to win in any of the Imperial Armour books as far as I can remember.

 BrookM wrote:
Let's not start another cycle of that please, m'kay?

If true, sad to see the Elysians go though, poor blighters never got to win in any of the Imperial Armour books as far as I can remember.

Yeah, the Imperial Armour books basically had a universal bias of Xenos > Imperium > Chaos/Renegades. I don't think there are any exceptions in the books based around a campaign. Maybe the Orpheus campaign, as that didn't have an ending and was more a stalemate.

 Haighus wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Let's not start another cycle of that please, m'kay?

If true, sad to see the Elysians go though, poor blighters never got to win in any of the Imperial Armour books as far as I can remember.

Yeah, the Imperial Armour books basically had a universal bias of Xenos > Imperium > Chaos/Renegades. I don't think there are any exceptions in the books based around a campaign. Maybe the Orpheus campaign, as that didn't have an ending and was more a stalemate.

Doom of Mymeara, because apparantly a cobbled together force of ancient mothballed tanks, prisoners and half strength battle weary Cadians (and Elysians, who were kept away from everything) is capable of beating two of the largest Craftworlds Warhosts and 3 Corsair fleets.

It's a wonderful Primarch model and as an AL player, I'm really pleased... and from the same sculptor as the Varagyr.






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 Formosa wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 griffen127 wrote:
Are there any rumors when the next book will come out and what it will be? Thanks for the replies.

For 40k it should be Fires of Cyraxus which is AdMech, Red Scorpions and Tau. No clue when, it’s been due for like 2 years at this point. For the Horus Heresy it’s Malevolence, which has Blood Angels, White Scars and Daemons, and also some additions for the Alpha legion and Space Wolves. It’s due at the end of the year but will almost certainly end up being next year.

Probably shouldnt be saying this but my buddy is one of the people writing that book and he told me that is WAS finished, ready to be sent to the printers and they then got told that 8th was coming and had to completely start again, Alan Bligh then died and it threw the entirety of the FW team into a "funk" so to speak, delaying nearly everything they had coming by a large margin.

Probably shouldn't be saying this, but my buddy, who knows things, said what your buddy told you was total bollocks. Like when your buddy told you Dark Angels were the next Legion getting full rules and all it was turned out to be resin upgrades for the plastic legionaries.

 JamesY wrote:
I've heard rumour that FW will soon cease production on rogue militia and possibly elysian ranges. Might be worth picking up any bits sooner rather than later.

I wouldn't even be surprised if that is the fate of the DKoK range as well. The way I see it, the Grenadiers never even got their autocad, the Death Rider #1 has been "temporarily" out of stock for as long as I can remember and FW couldn't help but gut the army range anywhere to the point where half the forces are not even Death Korps, but generic entries out of the datasheets. It's been a decade since the last new mini came out and don't even get me started on background, according to the IG Codex, Krieg is just a planet on the galaxy map. With FoC so long in the pipe, once they get to make non marine models, it's gonna have to be a very big AdMech release. And as they put it, they only have so much shelf space. Soon, the only IG models will be Cadians and Catachans (the next ones up for the guillotine)

Don't get me wrong, I'm sorta happy that the 8th index rules make them somewhat playable, the best they have ever been, but for me it's clear that the only way this range goes from here is down.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
It's a wonderful Primarch model and as an AL player, I'm really pleased... and from the same sculptor as the Varagyr.

Really? I thought Simon Egan was doing all of the primarchs?

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
It's a wonderful Primarch model and as an AL player, I'm really pleased... and from the same sculptor as the Varagyr.

is this confirmed? to me it looks like Edgar Skomorowski started that that one before he left FW and someone else had to finish it

Winter wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
It's a wonderful Primarch model and as an AL player, I'm really pleased... and from the same sculptor as the Varagyr.

Really? I thought Simon Egan was doing all of the primarchs?

Fireball wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
It's a wonderful Primarch model and as an AL player, I'm really pleased... and from the same sculptor as the Varagyr.

is this confirmed? to me it looks like Edgar Skomorowski started that that one before he left FW and someone else had to finish it

Confirmed on the Crusade and Heresy FB page.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Winter wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
It's a wonderful Primarch model and as an AL player, I'm really pleased... and from the same sculptor as the Varagyr.

Really? I thought Simon Egan was doing all of the primarchs?

Fireball wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
It's a wonderful Primarch model and as an AL player, I'm really pleased... and from the same sculptor as the Varagyr.

is this confirmed? to me it looks like Edgar Skomorowski started that that one before he left FW and someone else had to finish it

Confirmed on the Crusade and Heresy FB page.

Did he suffer a traumatic head injury and suddenly gain the ability to sculpt well, like how some people can suddenly speak French after a car accident?

I kid, I kid. Seriously though, they must have put the guy under a pretty monstrous level of time pressure for someone capable of this to produce those.

'Mûmak™ War Leader' up today



https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Mumak-War-Leader-2018

beast_gts wrote:
'Mûmak™ War Leader' up today

Spoiler:

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Mumak-War-Leader-2018

Man, do they only have the one sculptor for LotR/Hobbit who does only short-legged guys like the Nazgul before?

 Yodhrin wrote:

Did he suffer a traumatic head injury and suddenly gain the ability to sculpt well, like how some people can suddenly speak French after a car accident?

I kid, I kid. Seriously though, they must have put the guy under a pretty monstrous level of time pressure for someone capable of this to produce those.

Well, I for one find it a great shame that we've seen his true and rather excellent sculpting skills on Alpharius, but that (according to rumor) due to the savaging he got around the globe for the Wolf stuff, he quit the company.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

Did he suffer a traumatic head injury and suddenly gain the ability to sculpt well, like how some people can suddenly speak French after a car accident?

I kid, I kid. Seriously though, they must have put the guy under a pretty monstrous level of time pressure for someone capable of this to produce those.

Well, I for one find it a great shame that we've seen his true and rather excellent sculpting skills on Alpharius, but that (according to rumor) due to the savaging he got around the globe for the Wolf stuff, he quit the company.

Nah nah nah nah, you don't get to insinuate the blame for that is on fans. Either the guy chose to half-arse the Wolves, or FW put him under such a tight schedule that he had no choice to half-arse the Wolves and, on seeing they were half-arsed, chose to release them anyway. Those models were bad, objectively, and they deserved to be "savaged" - if the guy then quit that's either down to FW and they get the blame for it, or if he took the huff at entirely legit criticism as you say was rumoured then that's on him.

It'd be one thing if it was a huge torrent of actual personal abuse, or if the issues were minor and people had blown them out of all proportion, but I didn't see any higher level of actual vitriol than is normal on the internet, and the criticisms were almost entirely merited.

 Yodhrin wrote:


Nah nah nah nah, you don't get to insinuate the blame for that is on fans. Either the guy chose to half-arse the Wolves, or FW put him under such a tight schedule that he had no choice to half-arse the Wolves and, on seeing they were half-arsed, chose to release them anyway. Those models were bad, objectively, and they deserved to be "savaged" - if the guy then quit that's either down to FW and they get the blame for it, or if he took the huff at entirely legit criticism as you say was rumoured then that's on him.

It'd be one thing if it was a huge torrent of actual personal abuse, or if the issues were minor and people had blown them out of all proportion, but I didn't see any higher level of actual vitriol than is normal on the internet, and the criticisms were almost entirely merited.

Agreed. That's about as legitimate a deflection of criticism as Soda Pop/Ninja Division's claim that they're exiting kickstarter because they don't want to subject their partners and employees to online criticism while convienently ignoring years worth of consumer unfriendly actions (that continue to this day) that entirely justify said criticism. Those Space Wolf models were bad by third party just starting out nameless guys out of the former Soviet bloc standards (and I say that as a Slav myself who is a customer of several such companies) let alone by the market leader for the industry. As you said, it may be FW management's fault if they put too much on the plate for the sculptor for too short of a time span but there is no question that shortcuts were taken. I myself just recently prepped a few "miniatures" for printing on shapeways the next time they have a free shipping sale. I took the same shortcuts in placing weapons that the FW sculptor did but the difference is that the limit of my "sculpting" abilities is adding/subtracting simple geometric shapes to an existing 3d model. I'm a complete noob with zero training doing it for free in my spare time and not a paid professional yet I likely used the same process of import/move/rotate/merge adding existing weapons to existing hands that occured with the FW models. That's unacceptable IMO. Again, I don't know where the ultimate blame should be placed but there is no doubt that there is legitimate blame to be had with those products.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Didn't "Legion" talk about how there was a whole grouping of Alpha Legionnaires who were taller than most and would sometimes pose as Alpharius or Omegon?

Not sure about a group but there was Sheed Ranko, the Captain of the Lernaean Terminators who would normally body-double for the Primarchs if needed.

Do we have any info/rumours on when that lovely new transport for the solar auxilia is coming out?
Edit: to clarify, I mean the Argoran

That is a great looking vehicle. I love the BREN style heavy stubbers FW make. I so wish heavy stubbers were made a special weapon option for IG squads in 40k.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

Did he suffer a traumatic head injury and suddenly gain the ability to sculpt well, like how some people can suddenly speak French after a car accident?

I kid, I kid. Seriously though, they must have put the guy under a pretty monstrous level of time pressure for someone capable of this to produce those.

Well, I for one find it a great shame that we've seen his true and rather excellent sculpting skills on Alpharius, but that (according to rumor) due to the savaging he got around the globe for the Wolf stuff, he quit the company.

Nah nah nah nah, you don't get to insinuate the blame for that is on fans. Either the guy chose to half-arse the Wolves, or FW put him under such a tight schedule that he had no choice to half-arse the Wolves and, on seeing they were half-arsed, chose to release them anyway. Those models were bad, objectively, and they deserved to be "savaged" - if the guy then quit that's either down to FW and they get the blame for it, or if he took the huff at entirely legit criticism as you say was rumoured then that's on him.

It'd be one thing if it was a huge torrent of actual personal abuse, or if the issues were minor and people had blown them out of all proportion, but I didn't see any higher level of actual vitriol than is normal on the internet, and the criticisms were almost entirely merited.

There was no insinuation. If, as I had heard, he recently left, it was as a result of the backlash over the quality of the space wolf releases and feeling guilty. All I say to that, is that yes, I thought the Wolf stuff was poor and should never have gotten past QC, but if it meant this sculptor was so upset by the feedback, then, by what we see of Alpharius, that's a real shame, as he (she or otherwise) seems to have had an actual talent and 'slipped up' with the Wolf stuff.

I doubt he "slipped up", but a good artist can do gakky work if he has no time to do it properly.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

Did he suffer a traumatic head injury and suddenly gain the ability to sculpt well, like how some people can suddenly speak French after a car accident?

I kid, I kid. Seriously though, they must have put the guy under a pretty monstrous level of time pressure for someone capable of this to produce those.

Well, I for one find it a great shame that we've seen his true and rather excellent sculpting skills on Alpharius, but that (according to rumor) due to the savaging he got around the globe for the Wolf stuff, he quit the company.

Nah nah nah nah, you don't get to insinuate the blame for that is on fans. Either the guy chose to half-arse the Wolves, or FW put him under such a tight schedule that he had no choice to half-arse the Wolves and, on seeing they were half-arsed, chose to release them anyway. Those models were bad, objectively, and they deserved to be "savaged" - if the guy then quit that's either down to FW and they get the blame for it, or if he took the huff at entirely legit criticism as you say was rumoured then that's on him.

It'd be one thing if it was a huge torrent of actual personal abuse, or if the issues were minor and people had blown them out of all proportion, but I didn't see any higher level of actual vitriol than is normal on the internet, and the criticisms were almost entirely merited.

There was no insinuation. If, as I had heard, he recently left, it was as a result of the backlash over the quality of the space wolf releases and feeling guilty. All I say to that, is that yes, I thought the Wolf stuff was poor and should never have gotten past QC, but if it meant this sculptor was so upset by the feedback, then, by what we see of Alpharius, that's a real shame, as he (she or otherwise) seems to have had an actual talent and 'slipped up' with the Wolf stuff.

As nice as the Alpharius model is, it still has silly mistakes. The fact that his gun has no handle, or trigger, is a prime example.

Maybe the sculptor didnt wanted to get people triggered.

... Yeah I know wheres the door...

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blurb:
Hot on the heels of the exciting reveal of Alpharius, we’re excited to announce that another long-awaited Alpha Legion unit is being brought to life soon – the Lernaean Terminators.

Lernaean Terminators are the elite of the Alpha Legion; while the Headhunter Kill Teams assassinate enemy command elements at range, their Terminator-armoured brethren shatter enemy lines in brutal close-assaults. Armed with power axes, they’re ideal for carving through other armoured units, while their Volkite Chargers make them effective against massed infantry too!

The Lernaean Terminators kit is perfect for making a worthy bodyguard for Alpharius, and has a range of tactical roles in your Alpha Legion army. It also features a Terminator-mounted conversion beamer – a rare weapon that transforms the squad into a long-ranged firebase! Even if you don’t use this weapon on your squad, it’s ideal for converting a Master of the Forge in Terminator armour.

That’s not all – Forge World will also be releasing another set of vehicle doors, designed to allow you to customise nearly any vehicle in your army – from Deimos Pattern Rhinos to the Thunderhawk itself – with the heraldry of the XXth.

I don't hate those Terminators... but I really don't like them.

I really like the models, but man is that a crappy platform for that conversion beamer. I guess it’s one of what, two places to get an authentic conversion beamer? I was thinking about putting one on a techmarine in 40k...

Like almost everything about the Lernaean Terminator except their helmets.

Though I suppose they're easily modified...maybe.

Also, I’m pretty sure that Alpharius’s pistol does have a grip, hidden behind those fronds by the angle of the photo.

Really love both Alpharius and the Lernaen terminators

Glorious. Especially love the conversion beamer!

Erren wrote:
I guess it’s one of what, two places to get an authentic conversion beamer?

Armenneus Valthex & Mechanicum Myrmidon Destructors for normal sized ones, plus the Contemptor & Decimator C-beam Cannons.

Yeah, I meant the normal sized ones and remembered Valthex, but totally forgot the Myrmidons. I could see using it on Mymidons, but FW really should sell them as kits all equipped with the same weapon :-/

Erren wrote:
Yeah, I meant the normal sized ones and remembered Valthex, but totally forgot the Myrmidons. I could see using it on Mymidons, but FW really should sell them as kits all equipped with the same weapon :-/

Uh, no. Then you wouldn't have to buy three sets to get all their options. Business 101.

/s

Erren wrote:
I really like the models, but man is that a crappy platform for that conversion beamer. I guess it’s one of what, two places to get an authentic conversion beamer? I was thinking about putting one on a techmarine in 40k...

Yeah it doesn't make sense much does it? At least it looks nice?

Maybe use it as a Counts As. I don't know if they get other Heavy Weapon options though. Heavy Flamers are still a go right?

Plasma Blaster would probably be your best bet. I’m not actually an AL player, though I’ve been leaning towards starting a small force of them. The terminators never really impressed me rules-wise. +50 points for 35 points worth of volkite (the volkite isn’t actually worth that imo), +1 WS, and Stubborn. The WS is nice, but that’s a lot of points to pay for it and you’d probably want to upgrade to powerfists to make best use of it (and losing those gorgeous axes). If they’re supposed to be a melee unit, those volkite chargers are expensive for the amount of shooting they’ll actually get to do. If they’re supposed to be a snooty unit, why bother with the +1 WS?

Erren wrote:
Plasma Blaster would probably be your best bet. I’m not actually an AL player, though I’ve been leaning towards starting a small force of them. The terminators never really impressed me rules-wise. +50 points for 35 points worth of volkite (the volkite isn’t actually worth that imo), +1 WS, and Stubborn. The WS is nice, but that’s a lot of points to pay for it and you’d probably want to upgrade to powerfists to make best use of it (and losing those gorgeous axes). If they’re supposed to be a melee unit, those volkite chargers are expensive for the amount of shooting they’ll actually get to do. If they’re supposed to be a snooty unit, why bother with the +1 WS?

I guess they're supposed to be a TAC unit I guess?

Really impressed with Alpharius and the Lerneans. Guess I’m starting Alpha Legion.

Is the conversion beamer for terminator units a new thing for HH or has that been around for a while?

 warboss wrote:
Is the conversion beamer for terminator units a new thing for HH or has that been around for a while?

It is unique to the special Alpha Legion Terminators. The Techmarine HQ can take one too.

Thanks for the answer. I find it a bit odd that a legion not particularly known for its technical prowess got access to such weaponry for their terminators instead of say the Iron Hands for example.

 warboss wrote:
Thanks for the answer. I find it a bit odd that a legion not particularly known for its technical prowess got access to such weaponry for their terminators instead of say the Iron Hands for example.

They are said to have access to unorthodox tech, since they are less scrupulous than other Legions, have Mechanicum Magii as their operatives and generally fit the shady trope.

Fair enough. I can see the sense in not trying to make them one trick ponies although I'd still have preferred a more tech focused legion getting that particular goodie. YMMV.

More techy Legions can get it, just not on their Terminators.

That Alpharius Model might make a good alt for Vulkan H'stan. I hate the pose on the original model, and this one looks much better. Just got to make sure it's more salamanders dragony, then Hydra dragony.

 warboss wrote:
I find it a bit odd that a legion not particularly known for its technical prowess got access to such weaponry for their terminators...

1) Huh?

2) Alpha Legion get access to...just about everything!

Isn’t Alparuis a twin? Shouldn’t there be 2 of them? Or just use the same fig twice?

 griffen127 wrote:
Isn’t Alparuis a twin? Shouldn’t there be 2 of them? Or just use the same fig twice?

There’s no rules for Omegon (yet!).

Erren wrote:
Plasma Blaster would probably be your best bet. I’m not actually an AL player, though I’ve been leaning towards starting a small force of them. The terminators never really impressed me rules-wise. +50 points for 35 points worth of volkite (the volkite isn’t actually worth that imo), +1 WS, and Stubborn. The WS is nice, but that’s a lot of points to pay for it and you’d probably want to upgrade to powerfists to make best use of it (and losing those gorgeous axes). If they’re supposed to be a melee unit, those volkite chargers are expensive for the amount of shooting they’ll actually get to do. If they’re supposed to be a snooty unit, why bother with the +1 WS?

I am AL player and never found them interesting. Power axe, meh, not worth it, you wanna upgrade to power fist. Volkite, also meh, you pay a fair more for them, and you won't really kill that much more. If other termies upgraded they botlers to comby variant(melta/plasma) they are gonna do far far more dmg with them. Compared to some other special terminators, these are mediocre at best. They are not great in cc, nor great in shooting, so in the end will again end up bested in either case when faced with specialists. And when you compare them to other termiantors which have 2w for few more points, that extra wound is so worth it! You basically don't care about any shooting unless it's 8+ str and have 2x endurance alphas have vs anything else.

 skullking wrote:
That Alpharius Model might make a good alt for Vulkan H'stan. I hate the pose on the original model, and this one looks much better. Just got to make sure it's more salamanders dragony, then Hydra dragony.

I actually always imagined Alph would get a pose akin to Vulkan He'stan's. Both are scaly speary fellows.

But the one he got is nice.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 griffen127 wrote:
Isn’t Alparuis a twin? Shouldn’t there be 2 of them? Or just use the same fig twice?

There’s no rules for Omegon (yet!).

Sure there are!

(Though he'll be minus the spear at that point...)

Just incase it's been glanced over; Forgeworld comments on the Your Models Facebook post of the Terrax pair has them saying they'll "pass the request on for them to receive rules for the Adeptus Mechanicus ".

 griffen127 wrote:
Isn’t Alparuis a twin? Shouldn’t there be 2 of them? Or just use the same fig twice?

You can’t see, but inside the armor it’s actually Omegon sitting on Alpharius’s shoulders.

Planning on getting the cool Alpharius model, but debating whether to convert two tru-scale marines to accompany “him” as “bodyguards”. If you know what I mean

Alpharius looks brilliant! I can't wait to get my brush on him (i'm talking to you Whaley.......) it's nice to see a model that really hasn't got much vitriol either :-)

on a side note has anyone heard that the FW Avatar of Khaine with sword is no longer available? I was going to buy one this morning but it seems to have disappeared.

nerdfest09 wrote:on a side note has anyone heard that the FW Avatar of Khaine with sword is no longer available? I was going to buy one this morning but it seems to have disappeared.

FW has to make shelf space for more Space Marine doors.


I wish I was kidding.

I don't like repeating myself, but..

Let's not start another cycle of that please, m'kay?

Elysians on last chance to buy. GG, FW. What’s next? Krieg?

 CragHack wrote:
Elysians on last chance to buy. GG, FW. What’s next? Krieg?

Still got a chunk to buy...

... and payday is next week

That’s the time when actual credit card comes in handy


So it appears, some of the Auxilia units are also on last chance to buy.

What the feth, Solar Auxilia are a really new range, why are they already discontinuing stuff from it? Forgeworld has been utterly pointless lately. They only do completely banal and boring stuff, and most of it is of worse quality than the main studio plastics. And their rules (for the stuff they actually bother to write rules for) have been even bigger mess than previously.

 CragHack wrote:
Elysians on last chance to buy. GG, FW. What’s next? Krieg?

Seems like it, the Mars Alphas are Last Buy as well. I always thought they'd come for those last.

Weird decision.

It’s more insane that if a person was to buy the red book and asked why some of the entries are missing, he would be told “lel, sorry, these are no longer for sale and will never be”

 Crimson wrote:
What the feth, Solar Auxilia are a really new range, why are they already discontinuing stuff from it? Forgeworld has been utterly pointless lately. They only do completely banal and boring stuff, and most of it is of worse quality than the main studio plastics. And their rules (for the stuff they actually bother to write rules for) have been even bigger mess than previously.

Solar Auxilia aren't going chap. It's just the Elysians and some Krieg. For now...

Bloody hell, you're right! Some SA are for the chop!

I like the look of the solar Auxilia stuff but I have never bought any. It makes you wonder how many they have sold. If something goes a whole year without selling a single model for example should forgeworld be obliged to keep it on sale?
The main forgeworld studio has definitely suffered under the pressure of doing specialist games and lotr on the side.

The main studio doesn't work like that. Each of the games, LotR, specialist etc each has their own dedicated teams that don't interfere with each other.

It was incredible looking but way to expensive to do guard in resin

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
The main studio doesn't work like that. Each of the games, LotR, specialist etc each has their own dedicated teams that don't interfere with each other.

I am pretty sure the other teams poached some staff though. For example Keith Robertson was a forgeworld sculptor but now he does lotr stuff.

Disappointed by the dropping of the Elysians, but, I’m not 100% surprised by it. It’s something I’ve always toys with doing, but never got round to due to costs and time.

Unfortunately, they suffer from a clash with Scions. DkoK at least have a different feel and purpose to them. Elysians tended to just get proxied with Scions, which was a shame, and led to you not seeing the models that often/at all… Even at bigger events.

I am surprised to see some of the other bits and pieces going as well though – especially some of the DkoK Russ turrets.

Chikout wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
The main studio doesn't work like that. Each of the games, LotR, specialist etc each has their own dedicated teams that don't interfere with each other.

I am pretty sure the other teams poached some staff though. For example Keith Robertson was a forgeworld sculptor but now he does lotr stuff.

That's not poaching, that's called a job transfer. He wanted to go over to the Middle Earth team, you can ask him about it on the GBHL facebook page.

Lol, Rapiers already gone

Someone was asking about the Aurox transport's realease date recently. Looks like it's up for pre-order.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

Chikout wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
The main studio doesn't work like that. Each of the games, LotR, specialist etc each has their own dedicated teams that don't interfere with each other.

I am pretty sure the other teams poached some staff though. For example Keith Robertson was a forgeworld sculptor but now he does lotr stuff.

That's not poaching, that's called a job transfer. He wanted to go over to the Middle Earth team, you can ask him about it on the GBHL facebook page.

Sorry. Poor choice of words. It still means that the main forgeworld studio was down a designer. I think at least one person transferred to the specialist studio as well. It must take a lot of time to find suitable replacements.

Kdash wrote:
Disappointed by the dropping of the Elysians, but, I’m not 100% surprised by it. It’s something I’ve always toys with doing, but never got round to due to costs and time.

Unfortunately, they suffer from a clash with Scions. DkoK at least have a different feel and purpose to them. Elysians tended to just get proxied with Scions, which was a shame, and led to you not seeing the models that often/at all… Even at bigger events.

I am surprised to see some of the other bits and pieces going as well though – especially some of the DkoK Russ turrets.

The Elysians have had a good 10-15 year run, I can see why this might happen.

I'm a nut job but even I've never been able to justify FW prices for IG infantry. Especially now with so many great near-future infantry lines out there.

 CragHack wrote:
Elysians on last chance to buy. GG, FW. What’s next? Krieg?

That is really disappointing. We need more regiment model diversity, not less. Forgeworld's 40k line continues to decrease year after year, while 30k's product diversity continues to grow & grow. I know many people including myself who have spent thousands on 40k product through Forgeworld. I've never seen a 30k game played in a FLGS or GW store, nor met a 30k player ever in 20+ years. Don't get it.

 scottmmmm wrote:
Someone was asking about the Aurox transport's realease date recently. Looks like it's up for pre-order.

And no 40K rules.


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 Commissar Benny wrote:

That is really disappointing. We need more regiment model diversity, not less. Forgeworld's 40k line continues to decrease year after year, while 30k's product diversity continues to grow & grow. I know many people including myself who have spent thousands on 40k product through Forgeworld. I've never seen a 30k game played in a FLGS or GW store, nor met a 30k player ever in 20+ years. Don't get it.

Yep.

It's 30k kit. why 40k should get rules? Especially when logically 30k is the one that should have more options.

40k is just sideshow for FW. 30k is where the money comes from.

I`m sad about Medicae orderlies going the way of the dodo, Gorgeous minis! But, to be honest, even if I had 57 quid burning a hole in my pocket- I don`t think I`d ever buy them...

tneva82 wrote:
It's 30k kit. why 40k should get rules?

It is an Imperial vehicle. It can exist in 40K too.

40k is just sideshow for FW.

Yes. And that's kinda the problem. 30K players are a really tiny minority.

30k is where the money comes from.

Sure. And if they would provide 40K rules for their stuff they'd make way more money (which they for some reason do not want to do.)

I think it could be a case of because of the high financial barrier to entry with Elysians, most people that want that play style will just go for Scions instead. So most of the people who would play them are either laying Scions, Can't affford to start Elysians or best case, have already built their Elysian army. We don't know what their internal analytics look like but if for some reason the 30k line is their main seller I could see why they would put more resources into building that line.

I did love some of the older Elysian rules though, like having actual sniper teams with a sniper and spotter (who increased the range of the sniper to 60"). Something they should bring into the AM codex in my opinion. Bullpup lasguns were also a really cool idea.

 scottmmmm wrote:
Someone was asking about the Aurox transport's realease date recently. Looks like it's up for pre-order.

She’s a beauty. A 1 in a million tank. She’s a beau-eeeuuu-a-ty.

Why would I lie-ie-ie-ie? Why would I lie?

 scottmmmm wrote:
Someone was asking about the Aurox transport's realease date recently. Looks like it's up for pre-order.

So is that the updated IG rhino?

There is no IG, only Solar Auxilia!

*Looks at discontinued list*

Err....



And the answer to your question is “sort of”. It is a 30k transport that is a hybrid Chimera/Rhino thing

 kronk wrote:
There is no IG, only Solar Auxilia!

*Looks at discontinued list*

Err....



And the answer to your question is “sort of”. It is a 30k transport that is a hybrid Chimera/Rhino thing

Do we know why and for how long it is discontinued? They may need to re-tool it or maybe will repack it? Seems weird to get rid of some of the stuff they have on Last Chance. The decals make me hopeful we will see a better sheet - one for specific units not just the gobbledygook they released. That was one reason I didn't get it (and won't).

Doubt we'll see them come back. Probably didn't see enough of them sell and once things are on Last Chance, that's it :(

Solar Auxilia was, at least for me, the most beautifull Imperial Guard army.

Just look at those elite units, and that commander. But as others have said, all the times I have thought of starting a force with them its was like... this is the worst point-€ ratio ever.

Maybe I'll try to buy the command squad, at least, to make an army using plastic Tempestus Scions. But 70pounds-80€ is so insane... for that price I can buy SO many other Warhammer things. They are more expensive than a dammed Adeptus Custodes Achillus Dreadnought FFS!

"Hey, a new transport for your army that we just discontinued." you FW.

 Peregrine wrote:
"Hey, a new transport for your army that we just discontinued." you FW.

My thoughts exactly. It's so strange.

Solar Auxilia are so beautiful. I'd love to build an army of them, but it's just not going to happen. They cost far too much and there are no short cut options. If they made a boxed game including them (like BaC, BoP) it'd be a game changer.

Always fun when FW is forcing my hand. I've wanted a handful of Elysians to go with my Inquisitor, so I guess I'll have to order them today to be sure. I suppose I'd use them as Acolytes, but I wanted to see how the rules for Inquisitors turn out. I guess I'll need to place an order and just shelf the kit(s) until I know exactly how to use them.

I mean, I only really need 6 of them, so I'm thinking of getting one or both command squads as well as the weapons pack. I'd like to equip at least two of them with Plasma guns, aside from that I don't really know, except I know they clearly cannot be equipped with lasguns or shotguns. I'd appreciate advice on this.

In case anyone care to know, I've already got a fairly large DKoK army, and Elysians would contrast nicely with them as well as serving as a narrative device.

 Peregrine wrote:
"Hey, a new transport for your army that we just discontinued." you FW.

The only stuff I see going to Last Chance is the medic character, two gun platforms, the pintle gunners and the decal sheet.

Not sure that equates to "discontinued" line. Especially when they just released a new transport.

Forge World Hey guys
We are moving some models out of the range at the moment to make room for future releases - much as we'd love to, we can't carry on making every model forever and still release new ones.
We knew that you guys would want to know, so you had a chance to complete any unfinished forces before they go, so rather than remove them without warning - we've put them on "Last Chance to Buy".
As with any model that that we remove from the range, there's no guarantee it will come back or not, so If you do want to add these to your army or finish off an Elysian's force, we'd suggest you pick them up now.

Basically, in other words: hurry up, buy what's left and gtfo.

It's healthier if you think of FW as a couple of guys working out of their garage. Then their business decisions make more 'sense'.

There are countless examples, but one of my favorites is legion dice. They sold, but FW discontinued them when they apparently had some issues with the supplier. Now they go for a lot of money on the secondary market. Especially in light of that, you'd think that they would have found another supplier in the 14(?) months since they discontinued them. They'd be profitable, and it's not like they'd be a drain on FW resources, right? But nah. Dice are boring, so they moved on.

Two guys in a garage, and it all makes sense.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

The only stuff I see going to Last Chance is the medic character, two gun platforms, the pintle gunners and the decal sheet.

It doesn't exactly bode well for the rest of the line though. Discontinuing some of the DKOK tanks is disconcerting too. I wanted to order some of the turrets last year, but they were gone then already, and when I e-mailed them they told me that they are not coming back.

Note that the DKOK LRBT complete kits are still there, it's just the separate turrets going OOP.

If GW were smart they'd snap up the Solar Auxilia range and sell that as the default IG army under a new name (does the auxilia still exist? I don't think so, as it was part of the Imperial Army), the idea being that with Roboute's return and the custodes actually doing something for once the Sol's system IG regiments are also getting into the fight.

They probably won't though. Its more likely those noble guys will become the default army now that Cadia is broken.

 Peregrine wrote:
Note that the DKOK LRBT complete kits are still there, it's just the separate turrets going OOP.

Except Exterminator full kit is going. It is possible that the others will soon follow.


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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
If GW were smart they'd snap up the Solar Auxilia range and sell that as the default IG army under a new name (does the auxilia still exist? I don't think so, as it was part of the Imperial Army), the idea being that with Roboute's return and the custodes actually doing something for once the Sol's system IG regiments are also getting into the fight.

They probably won't though. Its more likely those noble guys will become the default army now that Cadia is broken.

The would also make great carapace veterans... if carapace veterans still were a thing...

 Crimson wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

The only stuff I see going to Last Chance is the medic character, two gun platforms, the pintle gunners and the decal sheet.

It doesn't exactly bode well for the rest of the line though.

I would agree if they didn't literally just put up a new model for that line .

 scottmmmm wrote:
Solar Auxilia are so beautiful. I'd love to build an army of them, but it's just not going to happen. They cost far too much and there are no short cut options. If they made a boxed game including them (like BaC, BoP) it'd be a game changer.

Yeah, while I am not keen on XIX century diver look, these look really nice and unlike all other FW and GW human ranges are truly unique. It's really mind boggling that after the success of Overlords from AoS (that sold very well thanks to similar aesthetic) no one thought of making HH III game with them vs say Mk V Sons of Horus. GSC sold very well in similar game box, too, why not exploit one of your best designs to literally print money?

 gorgon wrote:
Two guys in a garage, and it all makes sense.

You know, people whine all the time on the period GW was dictated by ex-salesman, but this is exactly what FW needs. Someone with common sense, knowledge of range, and economic knowledge to stop them from putting fingers in too many pies and to adequately support what they already made instead of always chasing new project, sometimes really harebrained. Someone who would throw Valdor design into garbage bin pile ordering it to be redone, and also took more care in ensuring 'boring' stuff like paints, dice, decals, and other accessories driving sales aren't neglected...

Forgive me for overthinking this, but is the Aurox the primogenitor of some modern-day 40K vehicle like this thing is.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Forgive me for overthinking this, but is the Aurox the primogenitor of some modern-day 40K vehicle like this thing is.

It certainly comes across as some kind of 30k Chimera, except without the weapons and the turret. Everything else is there.

Well, put in an order for Solar Auxilia. Missesd the rapiers, but ah well. You win some and loose some...

 Irbis wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
Two guys in a garage, and it all makes sense.

You know, people whine all the time on the period GW was dictated by ex-salesman, but this is exactly what FW needs. Someone with common sense, knowledge of range, and economic knowledge to stop them from putting fingers in too many pies and to adequately support what they already made instead of always chasing new project, sometimes really harebrained. Someone who would throw Valdor design into garbage bin pile ordering it to be redone, and also took more care in ensuring 'boring' stuff like paints, dice, decals, and other accessories driving sales aren't neglected...

FW is what it is. They do a lot of great stuff because those items are labors of love. But because FW is very inspiration-driven, support can seem spotty or just plain strange at times.

Look at the HH line. The next black book is scheduled for late 2018, which probably means spring 2019 in FW time. Even if they get it out by Christmas, it'll still be almost two years between black books. Releasing a game in the form of a series of beautiful $100+ art books is already wonderfully insane. Put years between them though, and suddenly the whole thing becomes less sustainable. People find other things to do with their lives, right? Losing Alan Bligh's imagination was a big blow, but losing Alan Bligh the 30K product champion might eventually prove to be a critical hit. It was his labor of love, and that love of his really driving the thing for everyone else there. Meanwhile, the Specialist Games team is dealing with real GW-style deadlines and pressures, and not FW 'we'll sell them when we finish them' deadlines.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Forgive me for overthinking this, but is the Aurox the primogenitor of some modern-day 40K vehicle like this thing is.

Dunno what you intended to link to, but the Vultarax is related to the Blight Drone if anything. Looking close at the Aurox it is obvious that it's a Leman Russ/Chimera hybrid. The front of the track section is just vertically flipped. The crew compartment is a cutout of the Chimera hull. The engine module seems highly improvised with an exhaust like that. So if anything, this is the precursor to the actual Chimera, once its STC patterns were found a couple of hundred/thousand years later.

In other notes: Forgeworld have also outdone themselves again with the special offer of 3 Auroxes for the price of.......3 Auroxes.

Edit: I'm stupid, its actually the Malcador Track section, just slightly shortenend. The sponson guns have been replaced by doors, front part flipped.

Can’t beat that deal!

GiToRaZor wrote:
Dunno what you intended to link to, but the Vultarax is related to the Blight Drone if anything.

Which is precisely why I linked to it.

GiToRaZor wrote:
Edit: I'm stupid, its actually the Malcador Track section, just slightly shortenend. The sponson guns have been replaced by doors, front part flipped.

Oh, well, there you go.