Bubbalicious wrote: Some stealth buffs to NCA in there to.
Bipandra is now 0swc and CSU got fireteam duo skill and two specialist operative profiles.
Making things appropriately priced(Bipandra is still not that impressive compared to everything else) and in line with other things(CSU profiles) isn't really a "buff".
Bladerunner2019 wrote: Cant do a thorough cross referebce against the old lists at work, but my gut tells me some of these profiles saw a points decrease, or they got more toys at the same price.
Can anyone confirm?
The big one that stood out was Oniwaban and Kitsune dropped in price by 3 points (which means that cheap SMG profile is even cheaper now). Wonder what got dropped in price to make that happen?
More than half of the Dire Foes have received minor tweaks and adjustments.
For eg. Corax Hasht lost some points of ARM but gained extra movement and shock immunity, and Oda got a tiny points bump on her panzerfaust profile.
Others (Yasabir, Anyat) didn't change at all.
Many units that feature in the NA2 armies have also had some minor profile tweaks - some of these are also reflected back in other sectorials that can take those units, eg. CSUs now have FT Duo and some specialist profiles, and these are available in NCA and ISS.
Beyond that sort of thing, not seeing any other changes outside of NA2
Saturday release better have something interesting. Hope Haqq is seeing something new. They could really use something to jazz up their whole outlook on life.
Pumpkin wrote: JSA pre-order deadline is coming up and I'm on a tight budget this month...
Is it safe to assume that the Kaizoku Spec-Ops will get its own release at a later date?
If I can pick it up later, I might as well wait until I'm not saving up for a new flat!
Specifically that sculpt will not see a separate release in all likelihood.
However, "preorder bonuses" with Corvus Belli are rarely a case of "If you don't order it by X, you won't get the shinee things". Be paying attention to the actual release date(April 27th is what the US is looking at, so sometime in that vicinity). If you can manage to snag a box by then, you'll likely get the Kaizoku as part of it.
May:
Hakims, Special medical assistance group,
Knight Hospitaller Gabriele de Farsen,
Caledonian Mormaers APHMG,
Zoe and PiWell, special clockmakers team,
Tanko Zensenbutai,
Prowlers repack,
Kurage Station scenery pack
Kanluwen wrote: Tunguska is super freaking sexy and I will own it all.
Yep, Tunguska looks incredible. Carrying on the sexy high tech look they already have. I've been looking forward to Tunguska since I started Infinity and found out what Tunguska was, basically. Can't wait.
Really like that the Tanko have three different poses, but I really hope they have alternate heads. I like the hats in theory, but in practice they look kind of silly.
Thrilled to see female Knights! Finally! but sad that Magisters have lost their aggressive charging poses. Also, did they trade shoulder mounted Panzerfausts for lame handheld ones? Why?
Super excited for a new Rasyat! Don't care about Tunguska at all except for a second I thought they were Morats.
Yay, . I thought Tunguska was coming late this year, but I'm not complaining. Gonna get every mini for sure.
Can't see clearly from the pic, is that the starter pack in first pic?
Shasvastii not coming this year. So, what will be the Battle Pack box? Not Tunguska. I doubt Varuna, Vedic or Ramah. Tartary/Ariadna and what?
Also, for the page roll:
May:
Hakims, Special medical assistance group,
Knight Hospitaller Gabriele de Farsen,
Caledonian Mormaers APHMG,
Zoe and PiWell, special clockmakers team,
Tanko Zensenbutai,
Prowlers repack,
Kurage Station scenery pack
June:
Tunguska Jurisdictional Command
Keisotsu Butai,
Yu Jing support pack,
Veteran Kazak APHMG,
Hassassin Ragik repack,
Aristeia Smoke and Mirrors
Looks like Aristeia! is taking a release slot. Or the Tunguska is an Army box.
ImAGeek wrote:That sculpt won’t. Whether they’ll be a standard release or not, dunno.
Kanluwen wrote:Specifically that sculpt will not see a separate release in all likelihood.
However, "preorder bonuses" with Corvus Belli are rarely a case of "If you don't order it by X, you won't get the shinee things". Be paying attention to the actual release date(April 27th is what the US is looking at, so sometime in that vicinity). If you can manage to snag a box by then, you'll likely get the Kaizoku as part of it.
Shasvastii not coming this year. So, what will be the Battle Pack box? Not Tunguska. I doubt Varuna, Vedic or Ramah. Tartary/Ariadna and what?
Also, for the page roll:
May:
Hakims, Special medical assistance group,
Knight Hospitaller Gabriele de Farsen,
Caledonian Mormaers APHMG,
Zoe and PiWell, special clockmakers team,
Tanko Zensenbutai,
Prowlers repack,
Kurage Station scenery pack
June:
Tunguska Jurisdictional Command
Keisotsu Butai,
Yu Jing support pack,
Veteran Kazak APHMG,
Hassassin Ragik repack,
Aristeia Smoke and Mirrors
Looks like Aristeia! is taking a release slot. Or the Tunguska is an Army box.
Really disappointed Haqq isn’t getting something more. Been a long time since they got serious attention from CB.
Their personality is so dry in the fluff, they need something to juice it up a bit.
Well, that ended up about as disappointing as some Yu Jing folks were expecting. Basically a confirmation of no IA this year (just some profiles) some kind of (likely disappointing) ad hoc CBL list that is unlikely to revolutionize the way we play and certainly wont make up for being down to one sectorial (especially not for the campaign), and a couple of re-sculpts I don't really care about.
*shrug*
Looks like CB had nothing prepared for JSA getting swapped out, not a smattering of replacement units (like what the CA got when Exrah were out for the release of N3 and they got some new units to fill the gaps), and not even a new sectorial to fill in the gap left (like what happened when Merovingians and Shas were replaced with USAriadna and Onyx). I wouldn't have called the previous examples ideal (because it still leaves people with useless models or glorified proxies in the former case, and doesn't help the people who liked the un-updated factions in the latter), but they were better than this. This is just the loss of Ko Dali writ large, we lose something and are unlikely to see actual replacements even beginning to trickle in until the end of this year or some time next year. It's like this reaction blind-sided CB and this was the best they could cobble together.
For all that talk years back about the Invincible Army being basically done, it sure feels odd that they've been keeping it under wraps for so bloody long. Even weirder now that YJ has lost a bunch of units and a whole Sectorial with no release on the horizon looking to actually rectify it.
Oh well, just means CB are offering nothing I want and wont be getting money from me this year. Considering I had been saving up cash for a splash release of IA this year, I guess that can go toward something else since CB don't seem to be interested in having it.
But hey, Tunguska look good, the Nomad player in our group should be happy.
Ronin_eX wrote: Well, that ended up about as disappointing as some Yu Jing folks were expecting. Basically a confirmation of no IA this year (just some profiles) some kind of (likely disappointing) ad hoc CBL list that is unlikely to revolutionize the way we play and certainly wont make up for being down to one sectorial (especially not for the campaign), and a couple of re-sculpts I don't really care about.
*shrug*
Looks like CB had nothing prepared for JSA getting swapped out, not a smattering of replacement units (like what the CA got when Exrah were out for the release of N3 and they got some new units to fill the gaps), and not even a new sectorial to fill in the gap left (like what happened when Merovingians and Shas were replaced with USAriadna and Onyx). I wouldn't have called the previous examples ideal (because it still leaves people with useless models or glorified proxies in the former case, and doesn't help the people who liked the un-updated factions in the latter), but they were better than this. This is just the loss of Ko Dali writ large, we lose something and are unlikely to see actual replacements even beginning to trickle in until the end of this year or some time next year. It's like this reaction blind-sided CB and this was the best they could cobble together.
For all that talk years back about the Invincible Army being basically done, it sure feels odd that they've been keeping it under wraps for so bloody long. Even weirder now that YJ has lost a bunch of units and a whole Sectorial with no release on the horizon looking to actually rectify it.
Oh well, just means CB are offering nothing I want and wont be getting money from me this year. Considering I had been saving up cash for a splash release of IA this year, I guess that can go toward something else since CB don't seem to be interested in having it.
But hey, Tunguska look good, the Nomad player in our group should be happy.
Unless they specifically said no IA this year I would save the outrage until the year is out.
They specifically said 4 new sectorials are dropping this year. Tunguska is the first.
IA is likely among the remaining three.
I'm just finding it hard to believe we'll see IA if we're getting a CBL and their tease for upcoming Invincible profiles is set some time after GenCon (and they said profiles, which unless they're being cute with wording, is not a whole sectorial). Combined with the whole "hard year for Yu Jing" thing, I'm seeing no real reason to remain optimistic for their release. Maybe they're trying to keep it a surprise, but I don't think I have the good will or patience left to give them the benefit of the doubt here. I'm kind of done with this "hold up and wait for them to disappoint you exactly like you surmised they would!" thing. If CB had a better plan than what they've revealed up to Adepticon, then it would have been in their best interest to communicate that instead of coy, coded messages and cryptic hints. I'll certainly be keeping tabs on their con appearances throughout the year, but I'm done getting my hopes up without hard proof or more solid details from them.
As a Nomad with a toe in JSA; Adepticon seems dedicated to breaking me this year. Tunguska and JSA would be bad enough, but then they just bashed me upside the head with StarCo while they were at it. Pretty crazy excited for Tunguska. Going to need to put my head down and seriously clear my paint queue.
Ronin_eX wrote: I'm just finding it hard to believe we'll see IA if we're getting a CBL and their tease for upcoming Invincible profiles is set some time after GenCon (and they said profiles, which unless they're being cute with wording, is not a whole sectorial). Combined with the whole "hard year for Yu Jing" thing, I'm seeing no real reason to remain optimistic for their release. Maybe they're trying to keep it a surprise, but I don't think I have the good will or patience left to give them the benefit of the doubt here. I'm kind of done with this "hold up and wait for them to disappoint you exactly like you surmised they would!" thing. If CB had a better plan than what they've revealed up to Adepticon, then it would have been in their best interest to communicate that instead of coy, coded messages and cryptic hints. I'll certainly be keeping tabs on their con appearances throughout the year, but I'm done getting my hopes up without hard proof or more solid details from them.
If they follow the Gencon trend of releases we are going to se a new redveil/Istorm box with two new sectorials this summer.
With the reveal of Tunguaka in June then the box should contain Vedict vs Kazaks since the previus boxes are Pano/Nomad, YuJing/Haq and we already know Tohaa and Combined are not getting anything new of that size.
Which leaves Varuna for Q4 with maybe a box as there are currently only 3 models in N3 standard (If i remember right) out for the sectorial.
I think the new Yujing sectorial will appear late this year or early next year (as JSA did this year.
Also, wasn't it implied awhile back that we'd see two books this year? One now and one in the Fall? A book that would presumably contain Tunguska and these other 3 sectorial armies?
Bubbalicious wrote: If they follow the Gencon trend of releases we are going to se a new redveil/Istorm box with two new sectorials this summer. With the reveal of Tunguaka in June then the box should contain Vedict vs Kazaks since the previus boxes are Pano/Nomad, YuJing/Haq and we already know Tohaa and Combined are not getting anything new of that size.
Which leaves Varuna for Q4 with maybe a box as there are currently only 3 models in N3 standard (If i remember right) out for the sectorial.
So no Invincible army in 2018.
Do we really know that Tohaa are "not getting anything new of that size"? We know they're not getting anything big or new--that doesn't mean they're not getting anything.
Right now, there's 3 'vanilla' starters that use hand sculpts and are kinda/sorta out of date. Tohaa, Ariadna, and ALEPH.
Tohaa v. Ariadna is a perfect opportunity to do an "Operation" box around the lost ship that those meddling Tohaa diverted to Paradiso.
Bubbalicious wrote: If they follow the Gencon trend of releases we are going to se a new redveil/Istorm box with two new sectorials this summer.
With the reveal of Tunguaka in June then the box should contain Vedict vs Kazaks since the previus boxes are Pano/Nomad, YuJing/Haq and we already know Tohaa and Combined are not getting anything new of that size.
Which leaves Varuna for Q4 with maybe a box as there are currently only 3 models in N3 standard (If i remember right) out for the sectorial.
So no Invincible army in 2018.
Do we really know that Tohaa are "not getting anything new of that size"?
Right now, there's 3 'vanilla' starters that use hand sculpts and are kinda/sorta out of date.
Tohaa, Ariadna, and ALEPH.
Tohaa v. Ariadna is a perfect opportunity to do an "Operation" box around the lost ship that those meddling Tohaa diverted to Paradiso.
We know Tohaa aren’t getting a sectorial this year though, and there needs to be 2 of the 3 sectorials at in one go (there’s 3 sectorials left this year but only 2 ‘N’s on the timeline). Vedic and Kazaks are the only combination for a 2 player box that fit, with the information we have and the timeline (only ones who haven’t been ruled out of a sectorial this year who aren’t already in a 2 player starter).
Bubbalicious wrote: If they follow the Gencon trend of releases we are going to se a new redveil/Istorm box with two new sectorials this summer. With the reveal of Tunguaka in June then the box should contain Vedict vs Kazaks since the previus boxes are Pano/Nomad, YuJing/Haq and we already know Tohaa and Combined are not getting anything new of that size.
Which leaves Varuna for Q4 with maybe a box as there are currently only 3 models in N3 standard (If i remember right) out for the sectorial.
So no Invincible army in 2018.
Do we really know that Tohaa are "not getting anything new of that size"?
Right now, there's 3 'vanilla' starters that use hand sculpts and are kinda/sorta out of date. Tohaa, Ariadna, and ALEPH.
Tohaa v. Ariadna is a perfect opportunity to do an "Operation" box around the lost ship that those meddling Tohaa diverted to Paradiso.
We know Tohaa aren’t getting a sectorial this year though, and there needs to be 2 of the 3 sectorials at in one go (there’s 3 sectorials left this year but only 2 ‘N’s on the timeline). Vedic and Kazaks are the only combination for a 2 player box that fit, with the information we have and the timeline (only ones who haven’t been ruled out of a sectorial this year who aren’t already in a 2 player starter).
Didn't say anything about Tohaa getting a Sectorial. I said there are 3 VANILLA starters that use hand sculpts and are kinda/sorta out of date.
Ariadna's starter being redone is most likely going to be like YJ and Haqqislam where it's a 'sectorial starter lite'. Apparently we're getting a new Chasseur blister this year which points to TAK being done in that regards(at least to me), with the Ariadna starter being a TAK starter in all but name. Tunguska's starter being done as a starter rather than an Army Pack opens up the potential for Vedic(really ALEPH resculpt starter+ in all likelihood) to be done similarly. Bostria made a mention of them wanting Varuna to be held to go with IA so whether or not we see them this year is up in the air.
Call me crazy or whatnot, but it makes a kind of sense too. Since the Tohaa's Kamael Light Infantry box is no longer even legal(they don't have a Defensive Hacking Device anymore as a profile--White Hacking Device only) it means that box has to be redone at some point(sooner rather than later) and there were enough missing profiles to fill a redone/second starter set even before N3 dropped.
It doesn’t fit with the timeline though, especially with Bostria outright saying ‘there’s 5 sectorials but only 4 Ns on the timeline, so two of them will come in an ‘operation’ box’. So the 2 player box will be 2 new sectorials (presumably as ‘starter lite’ as you say) and Tohaa aren’t getting a sectorial this year, so they won’t be in the starter.
I said it before... I never really combined my JSA with standard Yu Jing. Just seemed logical that way.
I’m not really crying for more Yu Jing,
It would be nice for new IA stuff, but I am left asking myself: How would they be all that different from ISS?
They might need to cook up too many new profiles to just slap some garbage together now.
I wouldn’t lose hope. I don’t see why so many of you guys are pressing the Panic button on IA. We have 3 more sectorials dropping this year. Wait until it has been ruled out before cranking.
TBH, the game needs attention in other areas.
Another year of consolidating the catalog would be good. Ariadna & Haqq have many profiles that need new sculpts.
Beating a dead horse: new remotes would be nice.
I really wish they were using these releases to bring MRRF & Shas up to date.
ImAGeek wrote: It doesn’t fit with the timeline though, especially with Bostria outright saying ‘there’s 5 sectorials but only 4 Ns on the timeline, so two of them will come in an ‘operation’ box’. So the 2 player box will be 2 new sectorials (presumably as ‘starter lite’ as you say) and Tohaa aren’t getting a sectorial this year, so they won’t be in the starter.
Bostria is also a huge frigging troll and takes great enjoyment in doing so. This should be well known at this point.
So either the box is going to be Varuna and Invincible Army(because he said they wanted those two to come out together), TAK and Varuna(see statement surrounding "huge frigging troll"), or TAK and Vedic or TAK and Invincible Army. Additionally since they've been super adamant that they don't ever want ALEPH in a starter box, it leaves one wondering just how much he's trolling and why.
Especially when one takes into account that Varuna and YJ both are already in starter sets.
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Bladerunner2019 wrote: I said it before... I never really combined my JSA with standard Yu Jing. Just seemed logical that way.
I’m not really crying for more Yu Jing,
It would be nice for new IA stuff, but I am left asking myself: How would they be all that different from ISS?
They might need to cook up too many new profiles to just slap some garbage together now.
I wouldn’t lose hope. I don’t see why so many of you guys are pressing the Panic button on IA. We have 3 more sectorials dropping this year. Wait until it has been ruled out before cranking.
You know that the Invincible Army(IA) is meant to be a Heavy Infantry aligned Sectorial, right?
It's meant to be the USARF of YJ, effectively.
I think i missed where he said he wanted IA and Varuna to come out together, where was that? I don't think they'd do a 2 player starter with a faction thats already in one either (I had thought maybe they'd do Icestorm Mk2 with Varuna and Tunguska, but thats obviously not happening).
In my mind, TAK and Vedic fits best with the info we have, but yeah Bostria is known to troll (or just be wrong), so I guess it's just a waiting game really.
Bladerunner2019 wrote: I said it before... I never really combined my JSA with standard Yu Jing. Just seemed logical that way.
I’m not really crying for more Yu Jing,
It would be nice for new IA stuff, but I am left asking myself: How would they be all that different from ISS?
They might need to cook up too many new profiles to just slap some garbage together now.
I wouldn’t lose hope. I don’t see why so many of you guys are pressing the Panic button on IA. We have 3 more sectorials dropping this year. Wait until it has been ruled out before cranking.
You know that the Invincible Army(IA) is meant to be a Heavy Infantry aligned Sectorial, right?
It's meant to be the USARF of YJ, effectively.
I understand. They just don’t excite me I suppose.
I know USARF are super popular, but there is nothing exciting there to me. The units are all indistinguishable troopers.
I believe IA will come later this year. If not, next year. Which is fine with me.
Again, I really wish CB would throw a bone to the guys the alienated by decommissioning Shas & MRRF. It would be new content and a cleanout of the older minis in their back catalogue. Sustaining a bloated catalogue is a dangerous proposition.
All bickering aside, when will the TSF sectorial list drop?
Did anyone catch that detail?
ImAGeek wrote: It doesn’t fit with the timeline though, especially with Bostria outright saying ‘there’s 5 sectorials but only 4 Ns on the timeline, so two of them will come in an ‘operation’ box’. So the 2 player box will be 2 new sectorials (presumably as ‘starter lite’ as you say) and Tohaa aren’t getting a sectorial this year, so they won’t be in the starter.
Bostria is also a huge frigging troll and takes great enjoyment in doing so. This should be well known at this point.
So either the box is going to be Varuna and Invincible Army(because he said they wanted those two to come out together), TAK and Varuna(see statement surrounding "huge frigging troll"), or TAK and Vedic or TAK and Invincible Army.
Additionally since they've been super adamant that they don't ever want ALEPH in a starter box, it leaves one wondering just how much he's trolling and why.
Especially when one takes into account that Varuna and YJ both are already in starter sets.
As we know there will be a Celestial guard SWC box after summer we can pretty much rule out IA as a Gencon release as they would wanth to release IA stuff after whatever form its "starter" will take is out. There is already precedence for this with the JSA.
Then we still have Magister knights that needs to be released for PanO, and if they are not released in July we can pretty much rule out Varuna for Gencon (Gencon releases are usually out in August or is it September?) . Then we also got the info about Acontecimento "exploding" which could mean a terrorist attack/uprising or Tunguska up to no good, and that is were Varuna comes in.
During the Q&A part of the Adepticon seminar when asked if we are ever going to se an ADHL Carlos said there would be a Tankhunter out later in the year. (If i remember correctly)
With all this info combined, it makes me think that TAK is guaranteed for Gencon with a Tankhunter ADHL in there and then Vedict as well. Vedict makes sense from a narrative point of view as well since Candy cloud takes place on Dawn and having the OSS there seem reasonable.
That and we know there will be no Tohaa this year.
But then again al this depends on if they don brake their trend for a two player starter every two years and instead release two army boxes all of a sudden.
I understand. They just don’t excite me I suppose.
I know USARF are super popular, but there is nothing exciting there to me. The units are all indistinguishable troopers.
Feel the same way about USARF. They look fun to play but the models looks to boring to me.
ImAGeek wrote: It doesn’t fit with the timeline though, especially with Bostria outright saying ‘there’s 5 sectorials but only 4 Ns on the timeline, so two of them will come in an ‘operation’ box’. So the 2 player box will be 2 new sectorials (presumably as ‘starter lite’ as you say) and Tohaa aren’t getting a sectorial this year, so they won’t be in the starter.
Bostria is also a huge frigging troll and takes great enjoyment in doing so. This should be well known at this point.
So either the box is going to be Varuna and Invincible Army(because he said they wanted those two to come out together), TAK and Varuna(see statement surrounding "huge frigging troll"), or TAK and Vedic or TAK and Invincible Army. Additionally since they've been super adamant that they don't ever want ALEPH in a starter box, it leaves one wondering just how much he's trolling and why.
Especially when one takes into account that Varuna and YJ both are already in starter sets.
As we know there will be a Celestial guard SWC box after summer we can pretty much rule out IA as a Gencon release as they would wanth to release IA stuff after whatever form its "starter" will take is out. There is already precedence for this with the JSA.
And then there's "precedence" in the Celestial Guard SWC box being long overdue at this point, with the Imperial Service Starter resculpt being a 2016 release.
Then we still have Magister knights that needs to be released for PanO, and if they are not released in July we can pretty much rule out Varuna for Gencon (Gencon releases are usually out in August?) .
GenCon releases are out in August, yes, but that doesn't preclude Magister Knights being released later this year.
Then we also got the info about Acontecimento "exploding" which could mean a terrorist attack/uprising or Tunguska up to no good, and that is were Varuna comes in.
I'll need a direct quote on Acontecimento "exploding" because so far that's only been a thing mentioned by people wanting some kind of parity with Yu Jing losing the JSA. Surprise surprise--it's more trollbait from Bostria.
The gist is that Aconticemento will be the basis for a campaign apparently and he used the description of it "exploding"...which could mean literally anything as you mentioned.
And don't start with the "TUNGUSKA HAS COMBINED ARMY TECH" nonsense.
During the Q&A part of the Adepticon seminar when asked if we are ever going to se an ADHL Carlos said there would be a Tankhunter out later in the year. (If i remember correctly)
It was before Adepticon that we got a mention of the ADHL Tankhunter, it was at "Rumble" or Dire States. There was a Bostria video thing.
With all this info combined, it makes me think that TAK is guaranteed for Gencon with a Tankhunter ADHL in there and then Vedict as well. Vedict makes sense from a narrative point of view as well since Candy cloud takes place on Dawn and having the OSS there seem reasonable.
TAK being guaranteed for GenCon is basically like saying candy is guaranteed to have sugar. GenCon's a US event and they've made a big show of featuring prominent Ariadnan news there.
Also Candy Cloud doesn't really have anything to do with anything. It's USARF versus Combined and the reason it exists is so that they could put out a crummy Dire Foes for USARF and a Nexus for Onyx.
That and we know there will be no Tohaa this year.
Yeah...except we don't. We have Bostria saying it, and as mentioned, Bostria's a fething troll.
I understand. They just don’t excite me I suppose. I know USARF are super popular, but there is nothing exciting there to me. The units are all indistinguishable troopers. I believe IA will come later this year. If not, next year. Which is fine with me.
We've been told we'll get Closed Battle Lists for Yu Jing this year, with no real notation as to how/what they're for. I'd suggest they'll be IA lists---and given that IA actually has quite a bit of what we're supposed to have within it available we might see the starter, an army pack, or just something like that.
Again, I really wish CB would throw a bone to the guys the alienated by decommissioning Shas & MRRF. It would be new content and a cleanout of the older minis in their back catalogue. Sustaining a bloated catalogue is a dangerous proposition.
I wouldn't. Shas are slated to get resources devoted to them as of the GenCon winddown. MRRF is supposed to get a new Chasseur blister even.
All bickering aside, when will the TSF sectorial list drop? Did anyone catch that detail?
Wasnt implying anything about Combined army tech with Tunguska but more of them destabilizing things. But it doesent really matter with the whole Beasts of war campaign.
And the Celestial guard SWC box being overdue has no real bearing on what looks to be how CB is handling the sectorial releases this year. Its still to early to tell but the July/August releases (JSA/Tunguska) will confirm how they are going to handle things for the time being.
I still see the most likely sectorials for gencon as TAK, Vedict currently with the reveal of Tunguska in June.
And by the way, what more prominent Ariadnan news has come out of Gencon more than the USARF? I wouldn't call the limited edition Spec ops as prominent news, nor the black jack that had its render shown last year either.
Bubbalicious wrote: Wasnt implying anything about Combined army tech with Tunguska but more of them destabilizing things. But it doesent really matter with the whole Beasts of war campaign.
And the Celestial guard SWC box being overdue has no real bearing on what looks to be how CB is handling the sectorial releases this year. Its still to early to tell but the July/August releases (JSA/Tunguska) will confirm how they are going to handle things for the time being.
The JSA starter releases in April(it's a March preorder), May will have the Tanko as a preorder(which means June release).
Do we know what April's releases are?
I still see the most likely sectorials for gencon as TAK, Vedict currently with the reveal of Tunguska in June.
Tunguska's getting a "light" launch though. It's the starter set and then we don't know anything more.
And by the way, what more prominent Ariadnan news has come out of Gencon more than the USARF? I wouldn't call the limited edition Spec ops as prominent news, nor the black jack that had its render shown last year either.
You're conflating "news" with "model releases".
1) The existence of USARF as an upcoming release was GenCon.
2) TAK has been GenCon news in the past.
3) The Blackjack getting a render after being one of the most sought after models was huge news.
I heard it mentioned that they were going to change the releases to when they say its May release they actually mean its out by the end of May, because nothing else has been said for April.
It fits in with the Infinitny "roadmap" for 2018 if you assume the N:s will be released the month after they are "revealed". On N is in March which is an April (JSA) release next one is in May which is a June release and Tunguska are June according to the news from Adepticon.
Bladerunner2019 wrote: I said it before... I never really combined my JSA with standard Yu Jing. Just seemed logical that way.
I’m not really crying for more Yu Jing,
It would be nice for new IA stuff....
Same here. I preferred the separation between YJ and JSA, so I’m not too bothered by the separation.
I am pissed off that I still can’t have a five man fire team for my YJ, despite buying two boxes for a total of seven zhanshis almost a year ago. It was the new sculpts of Tigers and Invincibles that got me back into this game, and thd promise of a sectoral for my favourite minis. But hey, I can start a new army instead of playing with what I’ve painted...?
Bubbalicious wrote: I heard it mentioned that they were going to change the releases to when they say its May release they actually mean its out by the end of May, because nothing else has been said for April.
The JSA army box and the Uprising book are the April releases. This is why they were announced in March.
Bladerunner2019 wrote: I said it before... I never really combined my JSA with standard Yu Jing. Just seemed logical that way.
I’m not really crying for more Yu Jing,
It would be nice for new IA stuff....
Same here. I preferred the separation between YJ and JSA, so I’m not too bothered by the separation.
I am pissed off that I still can’t have a five man fire team for my YJ, despite buying two boxes for a total of seven zhanshis almost a year ago. It was the new sculpts of Tigers and Invincibles that got me back into this game, and thd promise of a sectoral for my favourite minis. But hey, I can start a new army instead of playing with what I’ve painted...?
This game has been put on indefinite hold for me.
The whole point of Carlos’ army builder percentages piece clearly showed that Yu Jing players only really regularly use ninja (no loss there) & tokusetsu, in order to save 1 whole point. Wouldn’t be surprised if some existing units get doc/engie profiles to compensate, or if they introduced a new utility unit like Hockey-slum got with Hakim (apparently they’re tomcats?).
I thought Yu Jing players hated Zanshi anyway? Lord knows I bought them all too and don’t expect they’ll see use...
Celestial guard SWC box is painfully overdue. Can’t come out soon enough.
I thought Yu Jing players hated Zanshi anyway? Lord knows I bought them all too and don’t expect they’ll see use...
Celestial guard SWC box is painfully overdue. Can’t come out soon enough.
I like a few cheap bodies in any list, and would rather use Zhanshi models. But I’m a painter first, player second, so I lean towards models that I want to see on the table.
Just a reminder, most of the stuff we're going to be seeing this week from Corvus Belli was what they showed off at Adepticon. I've got everything centralized in the thread quoted.
Red Harvest wrote: Shield goes on the arm which is closest to the enemy, which for this mini is the right arm.
Only if the enemy would be behind him.
Real-talk, real-fast:
The placement of the shield is only an issue if one doesn't look at the model as being left-handed and consider their actions in the idea of a left-handed individual. As this particular individual would advance, the left arm would always be more exposed than the right would be in most firing positions.
Best solution: shiellds on both arms. :p
I'm wondering why it has a sleeping roll. Is it planning on spending the night on the battlefield?
Because they like putting all the tacticool gubbins on.
He might spend the night on the field Ariadna tend to do extended patrols in their planet, I would not mind if the pose indicated a quick change of fire because of a surprise but the ammo should not have been rolled on the arm.
They clearly fell in love with the ammo belt wrap.
Dunno why they forced the Mormaer into this unnatural pose.
Caledonians just had 2 HMG resculpts; Could have done this belt wrap thing with the Highlander Grey or the Volunteer.
Or maybe they just wanted to make sure the new sculpt looked nothing like the old one.
Bladerunner2019 wrote: They clearly fell in love with the ammo belt wrap.
Dunno why they forced the Mormaer into this unnatural pose.
Caledonians just had 2 HMG resculpts; Could have done this belt wrap thing with the Highlander Grey or the Volunteer.
Or maybe they just wanted to make sure the new sculpt looked nothing like the old one.
Ding ding ding.
Also because like always they probably saw something in media that tickled their "OMG MUST HAS AS SCULPT" fancy.
I really like the sculpt, looks cool. But then again i dont mind if my miniatures are super realistic or not more if its aesthetically pleasing to look at. Only thing that would make it better would be if the ammo belt was hanging loosely over the arm instead of wrapped around it.
On to other news.
It was revealed on the latest Lhost podcast that the gencon release would be a two army battle pack and apparently there were more "new" armies coming. I assume they meant more NA style armies. Have not listened to the entire thing yet so dont know if there is more.
Bubbalicious wrote: I really like the sculpt, looks cool. But then again i dont mind if my miniatures are super realistic or not more if its aesthetically pleasing to look at. Only thing that would make it better would be if the ammo belt was hanging loosely over the arm instead of wrapped around it.
On to other news.
It was revealed on the latest Lhost podcast that the gencon release would be a two army battle pack and apparently there were more "new" armies coming. I assume they meant more NA style armies. Have not listened to the entire thing yet so dont know if there is more.
Wait, back that up.
Are you saying they’re doing a box of more non-aligned armies?
Or are we talkin 2 separate things?
The non-aligned armies are nice for fleshing out the universe. Lord knows in have enough to run those lists, but I have no interest.
Unfortunately I think a box of 2 conventional factions will be Aleph vs Ariadna. MAYBE a CA force on an outside chance.
Nomads, PanO, Haqq, & Yu Jing are already represented in boxed sets.
Yup. Best sculpt I've seen in a while, looks like he's actually up to something rather than posing for a glamorous cover shot of Soldier of Fortune: Infinity Edition
Bubbalicious wrote: I really like the sculpt, looks cool. But then again i dont mind if my miniatures are super realistic or not more if its aesthetically pleasing to look at. Only thing that would make it better would be if the ammo belt was hanging loosely over the arm instead of wrapped around it.
On to other news.
It was revealed on the latest Lhost podcast that the gencon release would be a two army battle pack and apparently there were more "new" armies coming. I assume they meant more NA style armies. Have not listened to the entire thing yet so dont know if there is more.
Wait, back that up.
Are you saying they’re doing a box of more non-aligned armies?
Or are we talkin 2 separate things?
The non-aligned armies are nice for fleshing out the universe. Lord knows in have enough to run those lists, but I have no interest.
Unfortunately I think a box of 2 conventional factions will be Aleph vs Ariadna. MAYBE a CA force on an outside chance.
Nomads, PanO, Haqq, & Yu Jing are already represented in boxed sets.
He's talking about a two army battle pack and more "new" armies coming.
I'm still maintaining that it will be Kazaks versus a Combined force.
I wonder if CB are sitting there thinking of other ways to move everything into non aligned armies and remove generic armeis entirely.
It makes sense the way the game is headed, and generic armies have to be a huge balancing headache when they need to make sure whatever the new unit is doesn't break either the generic army or the sectorial.
But that JSA reaction had to have caught them off guard.
Bubbalicious wrote: I really like the sculpt, looks cool. But then again i dont mind if my miniatures are super realistic or not more if its aesthetically pleasing to look at. Only thing that would make it better would be if the ammo belt was hanging loosely over the arm instead of wrapped around it.
On to other news.
It was revealed on the latest Lhost podcast that the gencon release would be a two army battle pack and apparently there were more "new" armies coming. I assume they meant more NA style armies. Have not listened to the entire thing yet so dont know if there is more.
Wait, back that up.
Are you saying they’re doing a box of more non-aligned armies?
Or are we talkin 2 separate things?
The non-aligned armies are nice for fleshing out the universe. Lord knows in have enough to run those lists, but I have no interest.
Unfortunately I think a box of 2 conventional factions will be Aleph vs Ariadna. MAYBE a CA force on an outside chance.
Nomads, PanO, Haqq, & Yu Jing are already represented in boxed sets.
He's talking about a two army battle pack and more "new" armies coming.
I'm still maintaining that it will be Kazaks versus a Combined force.
Even though Aleph & Ariadna have the 2 oldest vanilla starters IIRC?
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-Loki- wrote: I wonder if CB are sitting there thinking of other ways to move everything into non aligned armies and remove generic armeis entirely.
It makes sense the way the game is headed, and generic armies have to be a huge balancing headache when they need to make sure whatever the new unit is doesn't break either the generic army or the sectorial.
But that JSA reaction had to have caught them off guard.
I know the old school Euro players like their Vanilla lists, but they just feel janky & disjointed compared to a unified sectorial list.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Did the new JSA box replace one of the current large army boxes?
Didn’t CB previously say they would only make any 2 army boxes available at a time?
Prior ones were USARF & Corregidor IIRC.
Bubbalicious wrote: I really like the sculpt, looks cool. But then again i dont mind if my miniatures are super realistic or not more if its aesthetically pleasing to look at. Only thing that would make it better would be if the ammo belt was hanging loosely over the arm instead of wrapped around it.
On to other news.
It was revealed on the latest Lhost podcast that the gencon release would be a two army battle pack and apparently there were more "new" armies coming. I assume they meant more NA style armies. Have not listened to the entire thing yet so dont know if there is more.
Wait, back that up.
Are you saying they’re doing a box of more non-aligned armies?
Or are we talkin 2 separate things?
The non-aligned armies are nice for fleshing out the universe. Lord knows in have enough to run those lists, but I have no interest.
Unfortunately I think a box of 2 conventional factions will be Aleph vs Ariadna. MAYBE a CA force on an outside chance.
Nomads, PanO, Haqq, & Yu Jing are already represented in boxed sets.
He's talking about a two army battle pack and more "new" armies coming.
I'm still maintaining that it will be Kazaks versus a Combined force.
Even though Aleph & Ariadna have the 2 oldest vanilla starters IIRC?
Ariadna is the Kazak starter for the most part, and it won't be any different to the current Haqq, Yu Jing or Combined starters, which are all heavily geared to a specific sectorial. Aleph won't be in a 2 player box, as CB are adamant that Aleph and Tohaa will never be in such a box. This leaves only 2 armies that haven't already been in a 2 player box, Ariadna and Combined, so it'll most likely be them. Add on to that the fact that Kazaks are something heavily mentioned (the Tank Hunter ADHL that Bostria mentioned at Rumble will probably be there) and it seems very likely we'll be seeing Kazaks.
I know Kan won't agree with me on this part, but I think the Combined half will be Shasvastii. They're in dire need of resculpts, and the other Combined starters aren't, so unless they go for a generic type of starter with mixed units we'll be seeing the Shas. Bostria mentioned Shas as being on the table for 'after Gencon,' what if that kicks off with a new starter release? It'd make people very very happy if those 2 sides are present, and it instantly updates some of the older minis in the line that really need it
Even though Aleph & Ariadna have the 2 oldest vanilla starters IIRC?
ALEPH's "vanilla" starter is Vedic oriented and we know Vedic is slated to get done as an army.
We also know that they've been very, very, very adamant that they don't want ALEPH in any two player sets citing "advanced rules".
Now, they certainly can decide to say screw it and move forward with it...but they could also pull a Red Veil and use a Combined Army starter as a backdoor way to put in a Shasvastii starter...
However there is a potential out for them in the form of doing a weird thing for this...
A Druze Bayram Security starter:
Spoiler:
Druze Bayram Security ──────────────────────────────────────────────────
-Loki- wrote: I wonder if CB are sitting there thinking of other ways to move everything into non aligned armies and remove generic armeis entirely.
It makes sense the way the game is headed, and generic armies have to be a huge balancing headache when they need to make sure whatever the new unit is doesn't break either the generic army or the sectorial.
But that JSA reaction had to have caught them off guard.
I know the old school Euro players like their Vanilla lists, but they just feel janky & disjointed compared to a unified sectorial list.
Did the new JSA box replace one of the current large army boxes?
Didn’t CB previously say they would only make any 2 army boxes available at a time?
Prior ones were USARF & Corregidor IIRC.
The Army Packs like JSA and USARF aren't replacing/replaced by the 300 point Army Packs IIRC. The 300pts have been Onyx Contact Force, Tohaa, Steel Phalanx, and now Corregidor. We know that there's a Military Orders one coming sometime soon.
Ariadna is the Kazak starter for the most part, and it won't be any different to the current Haqq, Yu Jing or Combined starters, which are all heavily geared to a specific sectorial. Aleph won't be in a 2 player box, as CB are adamant that Aleph and Tohaa will never be in such a box. This leaves only 2 armies that haven't already been in a 2 player box, Ariadna and Combined, so it'll most likely be them. Add on to that the fact that Kazaks are something heavily mentioned (the Tank Hunter ADHL that Bostria mentioned at Rumble will probably be there) and it seems very likely we'll be seeing Kazaks.
IIRC, the Tank Hunter ADHL has been mentioned as being a blister same with Vet Kazak with APHMG.
I know Kan won't agree with me on this part, but I think the Combined half will be Shasvastii. They're in dire need of resculpts, and the other Combined starters aren't, so unless they go for a generic type of starter with mixed units we'll be seeing the Shas. Bostria mentioned Shas as being on the table for 'after Gencon,' what if that kicks off with a new starter release? It'd make people very very happy if those 2 sides are present, and it instantly updates some of the older minis in the line that really need it
Nah, you're right on the money with it potentially being Shasvastii. The only issue I can think of is that they're saying they want to do a fairly heavy overhaul of the Shasvastii and the design work isn't starting until after GenCon.
I'm thinking a hail mary regarding the Druze, as it'd be a classic pair-up between the two.
Bubbalicious wrote: I really like the sculpt, looks cool. But then again i dont mind if my miniatures are super realistic or not more if its aesthetically pleasing to look at. Only thing that would make it better would be if the ammo belt was hanging loosely over the arm instead of wrapped around it.
On to other news.
It was revealed on the latest Lhost podcast that the gencon release would be a two army battle pack and apparently there were more "new" armies coming. I assume they meant more NA style armies. Have not listened to the entire thing yet so dont know if there is more.
Wait, back that up.
Are you saying they’re doing a box of more non-aligned armies?
Or are we talkin 2 separate things?
The non-aligned armies are nice for fleshing out the universe. Lord knows in have enough to run those lists, but I have no interest.
Unfortunately I think a box of 2 conventional factions will be Aleph vs Ariadna. MAYBE a CA force on an outside chance.
Nomads, PanO, Haqq, & Yu Jing are already represented in boxed sets.
I took the more new armies coming this year to mean new sectorials like Varuna and Vedic and Tunguska, but not Invincible Army. There are 2 or 3 more army boxes coming. Is the forthcoming Tunguska a samplerstarter or a full on army box of 9-10 plus a LE mini? Either way, it is going to sell.
At one point CB announced that the ALEPH and Tohaa were 'advanced' factions and not going into a Battlepack. This means that by default the next one is Arianda versus Combined Army. Unless the muchachos have changed their little minds. It wil not be Shasvastii. Carlos said that that is still a faction very much under construction and will not be ready this year at all. However, Master-Troll that he is, Bostria may be toying with expectations.
I took the more new armies coming this year to mean new sectorials like Varuna and Vedic and Tunguska, but not Invincible Army. There are 2 or 3 more army boxes coming. Is the forthcoming Tunguska a samplerstarter or a full on army box of 9-10 plus a LE mini? Either way, it is going to sell.
Okay, just so we're clear:
The "N"s we're seeing? They're not Army Boxes. They're "Big Releases". Tunguska is going to be just the starter set. We were told we're getting a Grenzer box sometime down the road, but who knows since we still haven't gotten Wildcats...and it's a shame about Grenzers getting a box since it'll be kinda crap for contents.
At one point CB announced that the ALEPH and Tohaa were 'advanced' factions and not going into a Battlepack. This means that by default the next one is Arianda versus Combined Army. Unless the muchachos have changed their little minds. It will not be Shasvastii. Carlos said that that is still a faction very much under construction and will not be ready this year at all. However, Master-Troll that he is, Bostria may be toying with expectations.
It could be Shasvastii, since we know there's some designs they don't want to change(Shrouded, Caliban, Malignos, Gwailos, Sphinx)--but we also know there's significant changes they want to make to the basic Seed-Soldier concept.
It could be Shasvastii, since we know there's some designs they don't want to change(Shrouded, Caliban, Malignos, Gwailos, Sphinx)--but we also know there's significant changes they want to make to the basic Seed-Soldier concept.
...is that list remotely official? Because I struggle to believe they'd want to keep any of those super old designs around (previously stated, at onyx release, that Noctifers and Sphinx were safe)
It could be Shasvastii, since we know there's some designs they don't want to change(Shrouded, Caliban, Malignos, Gwailos, Sphinx)--but we also know there's significant changes they want to make to the basic Seed-Soldier concept.
...is that list remotely official? Because I struggle to believe they'd want to keep any of those super old designs around (previously stated, at onyx release, that Noctifers and Sphinx were safe)
Note: it's the designs that they don't want to change, not necessarily the sculpts.
PsychoticStorm wrote: Hard to believe it since they say the want to make a Morat revamp to Shasvastii.
You mean the Morat revamp that left Rasyats alone(to the point of we're just seeing redesigns for them now), did very little to the design of the Vanguard(aside from 'biggerizing' them), and a few other things?
Yeah. That was such a revamp...that really amounted to resculpts not a redesign. Shasvastii are supposed to be getting a range overhaul and game mechanics, they're purportedly happy with the aesthetic for the most part(aside from the 'pistol bracelets').
PsychoticStorm wrote: Hard to believe it since they say the want to make a Morat revamp to Shasvastii.
You mean the Morat revamp that left Rasyats alone(to the point of we're just seeing redesigns for them now), did very little to the design of the Vanguard(aside from 'biggerizing' them), and a few other things?
Yeah. That was such a revamp...that really amounted to resculpts not a redesign. Shasvastii are supposed to be getting a range overhaul and game mechanics, they're purportedly happy with the aesthetic for the most part(aside from the 'pistol bracelets').
Morat redesign/resculpts were necessary. They looked like cartoon space monkeys before.
CB always leaves a few profiles for later. Dropping ALL profiles for a sectorial within a few months means interest will peak soon thereafter & never recover.
There's a method to their madness here.
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Micky wrote: They do manage to look very "sneaky alien scumbags" with their current design, and that's a good thing to hold onto.
They really are sneaky little slimy bastards. Though a few sculpts are downright awful
PsychoticStorm wrote: Hard to believe it since they say the want to make a Morat revamp to Shasvastii.
You mean the Morat revamp that left Rasyats alone(to the point of we're just seeing redesigns for them now), did very little to the design of the Vanguard(aside from 'biggerizing' them), and a few other things?
Yeah. That was such a revamp...that really amounted to resculpts not a redesign. Shasvastii are supposed to be getting a range overhaul and game mechanics, they're purportedly happy with the aesthetic for the most part(aside from the 'pistol bracelets').
Morat redesign/resculpts were necessary. They looked like cartoon space monkeys before.
CB always leaves a few profiles for later. Dropping ALL profiles for a sectorial within a few months means interest will peak soon thereafter & never recover.
There's a method to their madness here.
Yeah, it's called they stopped being interested in the project.
Look, it's one thing when they stop work for a few months in between to make sure everything else gets a fair crack at releases. Like I said, the Morat redesign left basically just Rasyats and Hungries alone. The point of them revamping these Sectorials was, according to their own words at the time, do the design work ahead of the models. Nobody expected the whole range to get updated overnight(although it would have been the smart move, IMO, to get as much of it done as possible so that people could have at least one new iteration of each unit) but at the very least they expected to see an idea of what the unit would look like in its new incarnation.
Them having dossiers for a unit done years in advance doesn't mean that they have to drop a model soon.
Additionally, since we don't have anything but their own 'spin' on how to gauge sales figures on for how interest peaks and never recovers...I'm a bit skeptical of the claim surrounding that idea. I've, personally, noticed that the opposite seems to be true: the longer it takes for a given sectorial to get models the less interest there is in the sectorial and Infinity in general.
Kanluwen wrote: Like I said, the Morat redesign left basically just Rasyats and Hungries alone.
Well no.
The Morat redesign left Rasyats and Hungries alone, but also didn't touch Yaogats until two years later, only got around to Kurgats this year, still hasn't done anything with Zerats and won't be touching the Raicho till at least later this year. Thats over 1/3rd of the Morat units. My point is that redesigns don't happen all at once. There's never been an example of that in Infinity. There's no sectorial that ever received a full redesign. They happen gradually over the course of years. As we've seen with Morats. As we've seen with Corrigidor. As we've seen with Military Orders. As we're seeing with JSA. There's several good reasons for this, many which have already been explained to you and many which CB themselves have explained to us in the past.
Kanluwen wrote: Like I said, the Morat redesign left basically just Rasyats and Hungries alone.
Well no.
The Morat redesign left Rasyats and Hungries alone, but also didn't touch Yaogats until two years later, only got around to Kurgats this year, still hasn't done anything with Zerats and won't be touching the Raicho till at least later this year. Thats over 1/3rd of the Morat units. My point is that redesigns don't happen all at once. There's never been an example of that in Infinity. There's no sectorial that ever received a full redesign. They happen gradually over the course of years. As we've seen with Morats. As we've seen with Corrigidor. As we've seen with Military Orders. As we're seeing with JSA. There's several good reasons for this, many which have already been explained to you and many which CB themselves have explained to us in the past.
Nothing wrong with eagerly anticipating new releases. I wouldn’t stay interested in playing a faction if new releases stopped entirely because all the profiles have minis. It’s one of the reasons I started collecting infinity.
And really, I like having older less impressive models in my collection.
Kanluwen wrote: Like I said, the Morat redesign left basically just Rasyats and Hungries alone.
Well no.
The Morat redesign left Rasyats and Hungries alone, but also didn't touch Yaogats until two years later, only got around to Kurgats this year, still hasn't done anything with Zerats and won't be touching the Raicho till at least later this year. Thats over 1/3rd of the Morat units. My point is that redesigns don't happen all at once. There's never been an example of that in Infinity. There's no sectorial that ever received a full redesign. They happen gradually over the course of years. As we've seen with Morats. As we've seen with Corrigidor. As we've seen with Military Orders. As we're seeing with JSA. There's several good reasons for this, many which have already been explained to you and many which CB themselves have explained to us in the past.
Kurgats, Zerats, and Raicho were all considered acceptable/"in theme" at the time according to Bostria. Yaogats were supposedly going to get a role redesign similar to the Suryats.
Corregidor had a huge chunk of its range completely overhauled at once, complete with some new units(Wildcats and Geckos) until certain key units like Mobile Brigada and Alguaciles were called out publicly as being part of a revised Nomad starter and as such would be held until then. Once that happened, we started seeing designs dry up for CJC.
Military Orders was never said to be getting a full range revamp, just "key units notably Joan and her Death Star".
Additionally, the "many reasons" have never been publicly explained to an acceptable standard. It just all gets vague and they talk about sales figures while ignoring people who outright say things like "I won't buy X or Y until it's resculpted to match the range--will X or Y be resculpted to match the range anytime soon?"
Kurgats, Zerats, and Raicho were all considered acceptable/"in theme" at the time according to Bostria. Yaogats were supposedly going to get a role redesign similar to the Suryats.
Corregidor had a huge chunk of its range completely overhauled at once, complete with some new units(Wildcats and Geckos) until certain key units like Mobile Brigada and Alguaciles were called out publicly as being part of a revised Nomad starter and as such would be held until then. Once that happened, we started seeing designs dry up for CJC.
Military Orders was never said to be getting a full range revamp, just "key units notably Joan and her Death Star".
Yes, as I said. Redesigns don't happen at once. They happen over time. The things you've listed are examples of that.
Additionally, the "many reasons" have never been publicly explained to an acceptable standard. It just all gets vague and they talk about sales figures while ignoring people who outright say things like "I won't buy X or Y until it's resculpted to match the range--will X or Y be resculpted to match the range anytime soon?"
Yes, the have been explained several time. Both by CB and by people in this and other threads specifically addressing you. And yes, it has been to an acceptable standard. Theres no mystery here. You just don't like the answers.
Kurgats, Zerats, and Raicho were all considered acceptable/"in theme" at the time according to Bostria. Yaogats were supposedly going to get a role redesign similar to the Suryats.
Corregidor had a huge chunk of its range completely overhauled at once, complete with some new units(Wildcats and Geckos) until certain key units like Mobile Brigada and Alguaciles were called out publicly as being part of a revised Nomad starter and as such would be held until then. Once that happened, we started seeing designs dry up for CJC.
Military Orders was never said to be getting a full range revamp, just "key units notably Joan and her Death Star".
Yes, as I said. Redesigns don't happen at once. They happen over time. The things you've listed are examples of that.
No, your claim is that it took them this long to redesign them.
That goes directly against the idea of them being "considered acceptable/'in theme' at the time".
Additionally, the "many reasons" have never been publicly explained to an acceptable standard. It just all gets vague and they talk about sales figures while ignoring people who outright say things like "I won't buy X or Y until it's resculpted to match the range--will X or Y be resculpted to match the range anytime soon?"
Yes, the have been explained several time. Both by CB and by people in this and other threads specifically addressing you. And yes, it has been to an acceptable standard. Theres no mystery here. You just don't like the answers.
Sure, I "just don't like the answers" when they don't actually answer anything.
This particular branch of the conversation would be better served by having its own thread in the appropriate sub-forum rather than here in N&R. Thanks!
Has anyone heard news or rumors about the sales of the the JSA box and Uprising book at Adepticon? I note a silence, a remarkable silence, about that. I would have thought there would be some discussion of the story in Uprising.
Has anyone heard news or rumors about the sales of the the JSA box and Uprising book at Adepticon? I note a silence, a remarkable silence, about that. I would have thought there would be some discussion of the story in Uprising.
I doubt you'll see much about it honestly, on the official Infinity forums they've got a policy of banning anyone who posts fluff too in-depth.
Regarding the sales...eh. Who knows. They probably sold out but who knows exact numbers or the like.
Has anyone heard news or rumors about the sales of the the JSA box and Uprising book at Adepticon? I note a silence, a remarkable silence, about that. I would have thought there would be some discussion of the story in Uprising.
I doubt you'll see much about it honestly, on the official Infinity forums they've got a policy of banning anyone who posts fluff too in-depth.
Regarding the sales...eh. Who knows. They probably sold out but who knows exact numbers or the like.
Not surprised really. I think/feel JSA have effectively been written off for some time. Not nearly as much excitement swirling around them compared to USARF.
Really, how many players will get this book if they don’t play JSA or have been pining away for merc lists? That’s not a big segment of the infinity community.
Has anyone heard news or rumors about the sales of the the JSA box and Uprising book at Adepticon? I note a silence, a remarkable silence, about that. I would have thought there would be some discussion of the story in Uprising.
I doubt you'll see much about it honestly, on the official Infinity forums they've got a policy of banning anyone who posts fluff too in-depth.
Regarding the sales...eh. Who knows. They probably sold out but who knows exact numbers or the like.
Not surprised really. I think/feel JSA have effectively been written off for some time. Not nearly as much excitement swirling around them compared to USARF.
Much of that is because of the way it was handled, not because of a lack of excitement. If this had been handled better, the excitement would probably be on par with Deepkin for AoS.
Really, how many players will get this book if they don’t play JSA or have been pining away for merc lists? That’s not a big segment of the infinity community.
Mercs have been something that were long wanted. Druze were a Big Deal in people's wishlisting.
I got it for mercs and the jsa stuff is a bonus as I quite liked the faction when I first got into the game.
But between the godawful yu jing fluff and models that looked pretty dated even 7 years ago i went nomad instead.
As for USardinina stuff being more exciting 100% anecdotal but that might be because your in the US and you yanks love to play as the US
Locally once you take out the admittedly awesome marine werewolf the are consider on of the blander more boring forces in infinity. I am the only ardinian player in my area and I mostly got them because werewolves rock and deep discount on the army box.
The funny part is USARF was purportedly just as popular in Europe and the UK as it was in the US...at least until it took almost three years for the dang Blackjacks, a lynchpin unit for the Sectorial to see a release.
Kanluwen wrote: The funny part is USARF was purportedly just as popular in Europe and the UK as it was in the US...at least until it took almost three years for the dang Blackjacks, a lynchpin unit for the Sectorial to see a release.
Yeah what's that Dakka quip about Mantic that seems appropriate........ahh yeah Corvus Belli "almost"
If it's not a puzzling release schedule setup by a squirrel with ADD, pricing that would make Kirby era GW blush, staff trolling or patronising customers then it's random institutionalised racism
Love the game but struggle with CB sometimes I know there not Prodos but somthing about certain aspects of the company and staff make me uneasy at times about giving them money.
Yeah, a large part of USAriadna excitement was indeed "YAY US IN INFINITY!"
But, there's also a lot of crossover between Infinity and anime fans. A lot of the excitement on Dakka has been quelled by some very vocal Yu-Jing players who are upset about losing units. Rightly so and perfectly justified, but it certainly put a large damper on the excitement level here on Dakka, much moreso than I've seen on Facebook or locally. Heck, literally half of my regular Infinity group is either planning on buying into JSA or is actively avoiding it even though they want to buy JSA just because so many of the group are starting JSA. Both our Yu Jing players are super excited (one already primarily played JSA), I'm super excited and am going to buy it once it hits general release. Our event organizer had a friend already buy him a box at Adepticon, only to begrudgingly turn around and sell it to a brand new player to getting into the game, he's still planning on rebuying it once it hits general release. 2 other local players want to but are holding off because we already have so many jumping onboard
So yeah, I think JSA is going to be a big hit, even though the Yu-Jing side of it was handled poorly
Kalamadea wrote: Yeah, a large part of USAriadna excitement was indeed "YAY US IN INFINITY!"
But, there's also a lot of crossover between Infinity and anime fans. A lot of the excitement on Dakka has been quelled by some very vocal Yu-Jing players who are upset about losing units. Rightly so and perfectly justified, but it certainly put a large damper on the excitement level here on Dakka, much moreso than I've seen on Facebook or locally. Heck, literally half of my regular Infinity group is either planning on buying into JSA or is actively avoiding it even though they want to buy JSA just because so many of the group are starting JSA. Both our Yu Jing players are super excited (one already primarily played JSA), I'm super excited and am going to buy it once it hits general release. Our event organizer had a friend already buy him a box at Adepticon, only to begrudgingly turn around and sell it to a brand new player to getting into the game, he's still planning on rebuying it once it hits general release. 2 other local players want to but are holding off because we already have so many jumping onboard
So yeah, I think JSA is going to be a big hit, even though the Yu-Jing side of it was handled poorly
It's worth mentioning that quite a few of the Facebook groups are very heavily moderated to the point of basically being the Official Forums mk2.
Is anyone else rather underwhelmed by the kuroshi rider?
Yojimbo does most things much better for 2/3 of the cost.
Are we really that desperate for a MOV 8-6 mobile specialist?
She's a template delivery system that can also push a button, and a 0 SWC lt option that you don't mind spending orders on 'cus you've actually got CoC on a worthwhile (read non-AD!!!!) unit.
I think they'd be great together. She's an obvious LT that you don't mind being an obvious LT. You start with Yojimbo impetuous move up and lay smoke, covering her to move up into smoke. He spends his irregular order to launch some more indirect smoke, she spends a LT order to move up and push a button or rush out and flame something, she still has her regular order to act again or he can use it to move and nanopulse somehting or CC something or set up a koala. 54 points for a NWI and a dogged bike, plus a kempeitei to take over for her inevitable gory demise. Sounds like a lot of fun, actually
Is the Uprising book the first in a new strategy for CB?
Are they going to move the story forward in this manner?
Haven’t read many spoilers. Is this the most recent event in the infinity universe?
IIRC like we left off with the gak about to hit the fan on Paradiso, and that was some time ago now... Is the JSA secession happening in parallel?
I read somewhere that they were considering shorter books, so they could reduce the time between book releases. The "Uprising" book is possibly fruit of that idea.
I'm not actually convinced we won't see another book this year (or maybe this time next year). They're releasing 4 more sectorial armies this year. They've never released an army without a book. 4 armies is what we saw in Uprising. I know everyone is expecting those big releases on the schedule to be army boxes/starters/Operation boxes, but I think theres a chance the last one of the year might be a book + army box like we saw with Uprising.
Uprising is because they need a book this year - otherwise it'll be a 3 year gap to the next box which would be pretty disastrous. It's hard to maintain a playerbase on resculpts. I'll be utterly shocked if we get the next book this gencon - especially if it's correct that we're getting another 2 player starter this gencon.
The sectorials 'releasing' this year are very likely not going to have army lists until the book next year, and at best something like USAriadna or Druzes skeleton lists. Doing some miniature releases this year with profiles releasing as the models are released, then some skeleton lists for some of the more ready lists around December/January for an Adepticon/gencon book release next year is the most likely event. It's exactly what they did with USAriadna and Druze.
So, those Tunguska Hollow Men, they're robots, right? Are they supposed to be remote presence units, like the Su Jian, or are they actually straight up robots like the Garudas?
-Loki- wrote: Uprising is because they need a book this year - otherwise it'll be a 3 year gap to the next box which would be pretty disastrous. It's hard to maintain a playerbase on resculpts. I'll be utterly shocked if we get the next book this gencon - especially if it's correct that we're getting another 2 player starter this gencon.
The sectorials 'releasing' this year are very likely not going to have army lists until the book next year, and at best something like USAriadna or Druzes skeleton lists. Doing some miniature releases this year with profiles releasing as the models are released, then some skeleton lists for some of the more ready lists around December/January for an Adepticon/gencon book release next year is the most likely event. It's exactly what they did with USAriadna and Druze.
Unless CB change their minds again.
There is no way they will release a starter without an army list. The TSF sectorial lists will show up on the army builder at the same time. CB has always provided more army list detail than models to represent it. Hence all the proxy rules.
Bostria said in the seminar that when the models are released the sectorial will be up on the army builder, like Druze last year, and JSA. The Uprising book doesn’t even have the profiles in it.
ImAGeek wrote: Bostria said in the seminar that when the models are released the sectorial will be up on the army builder, like Druze last year, and JSA. The Uprising book doesn’t even have the profiles in it.
Yeah ... idk where he got that from. Since they absorbed the army builder there have been no issues.
Saw some nonsense on FB that they confirmed Veruna & Vedic at CanCon. Looked more like wishful thinking to me...
ImAGeek wrote: Bostria said in the seminar that when the models are released the sectorial will be up on the army builder, like Druze last year, and JSA. The Uprising book doesn’t even have the profiles in it.
Druze last year were a quarter or so of what we're getting now.
ImAGeek wrote: Bostria said in the seminar that when the models are released the sectorial will be up on the army builder, like Druze last year, and JSA. The Uprising book doesn’t even have the profiles in it.
Yeah ... idk where he got that from. Since they absorbed the army builder there have been no issues.
Saw some nonsense on FB that they confirmed Veruna & Vedic at CanCon. Looked more like wishful thinking to me...
Any confirmation on that?
It's more or less "READ BETWEEN THE LINES SHEEPLE!" styled stuff.
It's like how people are using the picture of the Irmandinho 'fighting' the Garuda Tactbot from the February releases as "proof" of a TAK vs Vedic box since "why else would those two models be pictured together?!" while ignoring that February's releases had two boxes, two repacks of 2 models each, and a new two model set in the form of Bit & KISS...which wouldn't work since the Garuda is fairly big for a S2 model.
master of ordinance wrote: The Tunguska sectorial box set does look a little odd. I work it out at about 155 points, which is 25 more than most starter sets.
The starters are not a standard value. The NCA one is like 225 points or something, for instance.
master of ordinance wrote: The Tunguska sectorial box set does look a little odd. I work it out at about 155 points, which is 25 more than most starter sets.
Securitate look to be dropping massively in points(likely losing their Repeater, Sixth Sense[something that would have been weird for a Linkable unit], and definitely losing the Light Shotguns from their Combi Rifles) and the other units(Heckler, Hollow Man, and the KB with Spitfire) don't even have profiles publicly available yet.
Also, as I've pointed out in the past and ImAGeek just pointed out "The starters are not a standard value". There's a point most tend to float around but there's definitely exceptions to the rules.
I'm, personally, expecting this starter to clock in around 140-150 pts or so.
The starters are not standard points or designed to be standard points more a 6 minis that give you a good indication were the faction/ sectorial plays and add a blister or box or both to get to 200 points.
I hope the securitate keep repeater for all profiles. .
For a sectorial famous for its hacking prowess, putting repeaters on line infantry makes sense fluff wise.
The dossiers certainly look line they're carrying more than a rifle and their wits into battle.
There is no way they will release a starter without an army list. The TSF sectorial lists will show up on the army builder at the same time. CB has always provided more army list detail than models to represent it. Hence all the proxy rules.
The industry has largely completely abandoned relying on book releases as the primary source of model rules. CB is certainly no exception here.
Bladerunner2019 wrote: I hope the securitate keep repeater for all profiles. .
For a sectorial famous for its hacking prowess, putting repeaters on line infantry makes sense fluff wise.
The dossiers certainly look line they're carrying more than a rifle and their wits into battle.
I don't expect Securitate to keep their Repeaters because it looks like Pitchers are going to be fairly common in the Sectorial and given how Killer Hacking Devices exist now... I just don't see it working now.
We saw that the Hollow Men have a MULTI Rifle+Pitcher that will be in the starter set.
I worked out the points for the Hollow Man and Heckler based on how they looked to comparable units, and how I reckon they will perform, and I dropped the Securitate down to 11 points each (far more reasonable than 23 points).
Overall though I was just curious as the other two starter boxes for the Nomads seem to be about 125 points each.
master of ordinance wrote: I worked out the points for the Hollow Man and Heckler based on how they looked to comparable units, and how I reckon they will perform, and I dropped the Securitate down to 11 points each (far more reasonable than 23 points). Overall though I was just curious as the other two starter boxes for the Nomads seem to be about 125 points each.
How can you try to say you pointed them out based on how they looked to comparable units when we have basically no indications as to what they have? We know the Hollow Man will have a Multi Rifle with a Pitcher and we know the Heckler will have a Combi Rifle. Beyond that... You don't know if anybody is Irregular, you don't know if anybody is Warband, you don't know if they have NWI, Religious, etc. You don't know if any of them have BTS or STR or W or ARM or anything statwise. There's a lot that goes into pointing out Infinity models to make it so that there really is no reliable way to say "X will be <Insert Points Here> based upon the formula!".
I mean literally you can point at NCA Bolts and be done with this whole argument. CB for whatever stupid reason thinks they're "appropriately costed" at 25(3 points more than a non-Drop Bear profile) ppm with a Combi Rifle+Light Shotgun and 3 deployable/throwable mines that don't have Camo.
LunarSol wrote: I largely expect Hollow Men to be a rework of the Securiate with the latter getting reworked into something new.
I think that would be a bit underwhelming to be honest.
I'd look at the Charontids or Anathematics as examples of what to expect.
What in particular has lead you to believe they’ll be like the Charontid or Anethematics? I mean I guess they might be but that idea had not entered my head at all.
LunarSol wrote: I largely expect Hollow Men to be a rework of the Securiate with the latter getting reworked into something new.
I think that would be a bit underwhelming to be honest.
I'd look at the Charontids or Anathematics as examples of what to expect.
What in particular has lead you to believe they’ll be like the Charontid or Anethematics? I mean I guess they might be but that idea had not entered my head at all.
Their dossier, actually.
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The parts we have confirmed so far about them(They have Structure instead of Wounds, MR+Pitcher, Spitfire, Combi Rifle) and parts we have semi-confirmed(Holoprojectors instead of TO Camo) make them a bit different to Charontids or Anathematics, but I look at the Hollow Men as more/less being "classed" to be a similar role and points bracket.
Their gig would be to be effectively a 'heavy skirmisher'.
Something I would have expected on 28 December. O' the ever expanding influence of the Anglo-Saxon Sphere. Sadly, there is no Rock-y Balboa profile.
Ah the Banhammer has fallen on:
PanOceanía: Lieutenant Stephen Rao, Bagh Mari Unit
Yu Jing: Guǐ Fēng Xi Zhuang
Ariadna: Col. Yevgueni Voronin.
Haqqislam: Tarik Mansuri
Nómadas: Reverend Superior Cassandra Kusanagi
ALEPH: Andromeda
No longer ITS legal, until further notice. Still available for any other play. Those of you with Red Veil +Beyond Red Veil Haqq armies will need to buy another 55 points of minis to have 300 point lists if you want to play in an ITS league or tournament.
PsychoticStorm wrote: It is a temporary ban they will come back later in the ITS season, a bit changed.
It's also a stupid idea, no matter the justification.
Thanks, even if it turns out to be a stupid idea, why not try and see how it really turns out?
Yeah let me go try out something that's going to arbitrarily limit characters that should have been reworked instead of hamfisted into Human Sphere N3 or Infinity N3! That sounds like a great idea!
Maybe while we're at it, we can split the Military Orders off into their own faction and get rid of the cancer that is Bipandra too! /sarcasm
Except the Bipandra thing. That wasn't sarcasm. That's the worst Dire Foe out there next to Rosie in terms of both sculpt and rules.
Well we knew the other shoe was going to drop, but you've gotta love it anyways. Yu Jing just has most of its characters taken away and now one of our most competitive pieces in our only remaining sectorial gets plucked out.
Narrative and tournaments just don't mix, but hey, at least everyone got screwed this time!
Oh well, my group doesn't pretend ITS has any relevance at our table, but I've gotta feel for my Yu Jing brothers in the competitive scene right now. Vanilla lost a ton of profiles and now our only other sectorial just lost one of its best characters for the season.
I swear, when I come back to look at the state of the game a year from now, part of me is wondering if the game will consist of two Ghazi just throwing rocks at each other after some cataclysmic galaxy wide civil war leaves no one left to fight.
Imperial Service--but even then it's not really true since the SpecOps that got yanked is one of the "Getting Started" suggestions for Infinity alongside of Tarik Mansuri in the Red Veil boxed set.
Imperial Service--but even then it's not really true since the SpecOps that got yanked is one of the "Getting Started" suggestions for Infinity alongside of Tarik Mansuri in the Red Veil boxed set.
See I got the Red Veil set and wanted to get the Dire Foes and the Beyond sets to go with it as I'm not so good at list building right now so I find this to be pretty obnoxious.
See I got the Red Veil set and wanted to get the Dire Foes and the Beyond sets to go with it as I'm not so good at list building right now so I find this to be pretty obnoxious.
Aw c'mon, isn't it Great Narrative for the Infinity Tournament System to remove characters from play for you?
See I got the Red Veil set and wanted to get the Dire Foes and the Beyond sets to go with it as I'm not so good at list building right now so I find this to be pretty obnoxious.
Aw c'mon, isn't it Great Narrative for the Infinity Tournament System to remove characters from play for you?
Ones that veteran players might use and come in blisters that don't go with a series of promoted purchases like Rao, sure that isn't so bad but something like Tarik or Xi no it's super annoying.
See I got the Red Veil set and wanted to get the Dire Foes and the Beyond sets to go with it as I'm not so good at list building right now so I find this to be pretty obnoxious.
Aw c'mon, isn't it Great Narrative for the Infinity Tournament System to remove characters from play for you?
Ones that veteran players might use and come in blisters that don't go with a series of promoted purchases like Rao, sure that isn't so bad but something like Tarik or Xi no it's super annoying.
No joke I was going to buy both sets Thursday.
Unless you're playing ITS, it won't matter.
In all honesty, I'd grab them if I were you. A Warcor I trust has been dropping hints that B4(KD00R event is so they can rejig existing "problem" characters. If you want to though, feel free to toss me a PM and I can help you cook up some lists and the like.
Well, it only affects ITS play, and since I haven't played in a tournament in several years, it matters to me not one whit, heck, not even half a whit.
Those ITS Escalation league players relying on Haqq Red Veil & Beyond Red Veil are a bit hosed. Not nice to do to beginners.
Brother Gecko, go ahead and get the Beyond Red Veil box if you were planning to. Tarik Mansuri may be side-lined, but the unit will return to Haqq in some form. He is an iconic Haqq character. The Beyond Red Veil set is a nice way to get a pair of 300 point forces if you have the Operation:Red Veil box. Disclosure: I have both.
Tarik was basically the deciding factor in getting the Beyond set so without him and if he has a chance of getting nerfed I'm comfortable with just not making those purchases. I have some other Haqq models, I just felt the purchase progression might have given me a more organic way to learn than my previous attempts.
I have Onyx Contact Force stuff to fiddle with. I swear though everytime I start to throw money at CB they convince me not to lol.
I will just wait for Hakims and the dream to play RTF before the end of the century.
Gonna be honest here, the version I expect to see get changed is the AP Rifle+LSG version(which is blister only). Spitfire is the BRV set.
I'm guessing that what will happen is Fatality will be put only onto the Spitfire profile to make it in line with the Khawarji.
Kanluwen wrote: Gonna be honest here, the version I expect to see get changed is the AP Rifle+LSG version(which is blister only). Spitfire is the BRV set.
I'm guessing that what will happen is Fatality will be put only onto the Spitfire profile to make it in line with the Khawarji.
I have pretty limited experience but the khwarji never failed to disappoint me haha. I would hope he wouldn't align more closely to his whimpy little siblings. They should of pulled the khawrji and rework them. I would of been happy to see that because I adore the model.
Either way I can just not buy the set and not have to worry about what may or may not happen.
Kanluwen wrote: Gonna be honest here, the version I expect to see get changed is the AP Rifle+LSG version(which is blister only). Spitfire is the BRV set. I'm guessing that what will happen is Fatality will be put only onto the Spitfire profile to make it in line with the Khawarji.
I have pretty limited experience but the khwarji never failed to disappoint me lol. I would hope he wouldn't align more closely to his whimpy little siblings. They should of pulled the khawrji and rework them lol. I would of been happy to see that because I adore the model.
Well the big thing is that right now, Fatality is a Big Deal. I've, personally, been suspecting that they're demoing it to try to make TAG weapons a bit more "oomph" compared to their wimpy human toted siblings.
Is it going to be amazing? I dunno. But I like it. I like Zhayedans and I like Khawarijs. I keep the extra points to play around with depending upon who gets AVA 5 or Total in RTF.
Either way I can just not buy the set and not have to worry about what may or may not happen.
Or you can grab yourself those sweet, sweet Naffatuns.
PanOceanía: Lieutenant Stephen Rao, Bagh Mari Unit
Yu Jing: Guǐ Fēng Xi Zhuang
Ariadna: Col. Yevgueni Voronin.
Haqqislam: Tarik Mansuri
Nómadas: Reverend Superior Cassandra Kusanagi
ALEPH: Andromeda
A couple of these very obviously needed a revamp in some fashion. A couple of them are probably very underused (I've never seen Andromeda or Voronin on the table, personally).
Tarik and Xi Zhuang stand out as "why?" though.
You could argue that Xi Zhuang was on the block since he's the only Yu Jing character that isn't a pawn of Aleph, but even so. Both he and Tarik have really good profiles that aren't unfair or janky or broken or burdened by legacy, and both see plenty of table time.
The other four? Yeah, can totally see that.
In fact i'd not be surprised if the Kusanagi revamp comes with a resculpt too, since Bakunin has been getting some attention lately.
Maybe while we're at it, we can split the Military Orders off into their own faction and get rid of the cancer that is Bipandra too!
/sarcasm
Except the Bipandra thing. That wasn't sarcasm. That's the worst Dire Foe out there next to Rosie in terms of both sculpt and rules.
As one of the many here whose life has been impacted by actual cancer and not just been mildly inconvenienced in a game of toy soldiers - stop. If you're an adult your vocabulary should be broad enough to have an applicable noun at hand.
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Micky wrote: PanOceanía: Lieutenant Stephen Rao, Bagh Mari Unit
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A couple of these very obviously needed a revamp in some fashion.
That was my thought. Actually kind've excited to see what they do with Rao. I've been quietly collecting enough models to make a functioning SAA force for a while but never saw the point in taking him, which is a shame as the model is excellent.
Although, given how dire his stats to points ratio is, I don't see the reason for having to tell people not to use him. It's like a sign asking someone not to put their hand in the raging hot fire.
Maybe while we're at it, we can split the Military Orders off into their own faction and get rid of the cancer that is Bipandra too! /sarcasm
Except the Bipandra thing. That wasn't sarcasm. That's the worst Dire Foe out there next to Rosie in terms of both sculpt and rules.
As one of the many here whose life has been impacted by actual cancer and not just been mildly inconvenienced in a game of toy soldiers - stop. If you're an adult your vocabulary should be broad enough to have an applicable noun at hand.
While I'm sorry that you've had to deal with cancer, it is an applicable noun in the context I used it here.
In deference to your statement however, I will endeavor to try to not use it again. I make no guarantees on being successful but I will attempt it.
Micky wrote: PanOceanía: Lieutenant Stephen Rao, Bagh Mari Unit .....
A couple of these very obviously needed a revamp in some fashion.
That was my thought. Actually kind've excited to see what they do with Rao. I've been quietly collecting enough models to make a functioning SAA force for a while but never saw the point in taking him, which is a shame as the model is excellent.
Although, given how dire his stats to points ratio is, I don't see the reason for having to tell people not to use him. It's like a sign asking someone not to put their hand in the raging hot fire.
This is actually kind of funny to me since Rao is actually considered by many a "must have" for SAA. He's 23 pts and 0 SWC with a CR+LSG and Assault Pistol vs a normal Bagh-Mari LT with CR+LSG and Pistol for 22pts and 1 SWC.
He also allows for you to have 6 Bagh-Mari, effectively, on the field and have some wiggle room for Haris. This is the basis for a little list I keep rattling around:
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Shock Army of Acontecimento ──────────────────────────────────────────────────
This is actually kind of funny to me since Rao is actually considered by many a "must have" for SAA. He's 23 pts and 0 SWC with a CR+LSG and Assault Pistol vs a normal Bagh-Mari LT with CR+LSG and Pistol for 22pts and 1 SWC.
Yeah, personally I think they want him to be more than merely a slightly better costed Bagh-Mari LT. I'd expect him to come out of this costing more but having more kit.
How about chancre to describe Bipandra. The unit is certainly a sore spot for many.
Rao is a decent choice in ASA. A must take prior to the change in Bagh-Mari AVA, and still a pretty good choice. I'm not certain what CB could do with the profile and still keep him Bagh-Mari.
I think you might be. Ever since they changed the way Chain of Command works, he's basically been a joke. His whole schtick was that you could bring him on to remove the Loss of Lieutenant status.
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Red Harvest wrote: How about chancre to describe Bipandra. The unit is certainly a sore spot for many.
I'm going to go with "blight".
Truthfully? She's a sore spot because she's poorly designed and just doesn't measure up to any of the other Dire Foes. If they had done something like her being G: Sync'd with Angus, it would have been a truly interesting thing.
She is, for me, the perfect example of why PanO army design is considered extremely lackluster.
Rao is a decent choice in ASA. A must take prior to the change in Bagh-Mari AVA, and still a pretty good choice. I'm not certain what CB could do with the profile and still keep him Bagh-Mari.
Speaking for myself, I'd like to see Rao get a Marksman Rifle and AP Mine profile.
Give him something that lets him potentially rough up some things at longer range and add to the mine spam.
I'd also give him access to Duo with another Bagh-Mari so you could run a Haris and Duo at the same time.
Although I will admit the Xi Zhuang is a fantastic spec-ops (perhaps a bit overtuned if I'm being honest... but this is in a faction where levels of MA, boosts to CC, and extraneous CCWs are the norm; so our sense of efficiency is kind of warped), I really am dreading any kind of re-imagining of him (though a re-sculpt would be welcom... oh, crap I said it, he's defecting now... sorry everyone ).
PsychoticStorm wrote: The ban is only for a couple of months, characters will then come back with a bonus.
Regardless, it shouldn't have happened. I was fine with the JSA split, for the most part because JSA is still JSA, but the way they're implementing this is just bad. Narrative affecting the game? Sure, all for it. Removing models people own from competitive play? However temporary, it looks bad when they just rip things out of people's collections, especially when some of those have models less than 6 months old (Tarik spitfire, Andromeda). They could've given us a quick message at the end of the campaign and said "here's the results, this is what's happening, and we're overhauling the profiles of x y and z". Instead they told us from the get go, if you don't win you're losing models
Personally, I'm going to try and get it going in my group to ignore this change, even though I don't personally lose anything. I play PanO and Steel Phalanx, Andromeda is awful and Rao is a tiny upgrade over a regular Bagh Mari, so I really couldn't care less if they're gone. On a matter of principle, however, I don't want to see people in my group not being able to use models for no real reason (because yes, they could've rejigged profiles without flat out removing them)
We knew that the campaign will change things during its course and it only effects ITS... really, as if there were only one way to write good lists for Infinity...
IIRC, the old L5r CCG did something similar - part of the prize at some events was to affect the storyline. Although I believe in that case, it was moderated by the designers, not just letting the winner handicap the competition. :0
AndrewGPaul wrote: IIRC, the old L5r CCG did something similar - part of the prize at some events was to affect the storyline. Although I believe in that case, it was moderated by the designers, not just letting the winner handicap the competition. :0
(Not necessarily addressed to you Andrew, but just just a response to comments I've been seeing here and in other places.)
This is hardly a meaningful handicap. Its not being able to use a single character in ITS events for part of a single season. Thats 1 out of 34 units for ISS. Only 1 out of 42 for vanilla Yujing. 1 out of like 50+ units for vanilla Haqq. Losing Tarik for a few months isn't a handicap. It's an opportunity to try new units and new tactics.
If you bought Red Veil and either the Beyond Red Veil or Dire Foes boxes and haven't expanded your army since, now is a good time to try something new. You don't have to go out and buy anything, just check out some of the other options in your army and proxy Tarik or Xi Huang or Andromeda or Rao as something else.
Remember, this restriction is JUST for ITS events and JUST for a little while. You're still free to use the models you own in games if you want to. Nothing has been taken from you. Instead of complaining why not embrace the narrative nature of the event and try playing some games without these characters? And if you weren't playing these characters anyway, why complain?
For now, this ^ - can anyone cite a source on this "A player picked the banned units" story?
Comes out of this thread that a certain someone(not me; I'm still adamant in my "I'm not posting there" rule) has even contributed to...
Bonus, here's the battle report/discussion surrounding one of the purported picker of character's games. Apparently there was some questionable nonsense.
Both the official forum and the social media crowd. Local groups are always going to vary a lot - you'll find friendly groups for games with toxic online communities and vice versa. Same with smaller online communities - the Infinity chaps here are fine, despite some fairly vocal disagreements.
But basically if a new player jumps on board and goes online for discussion and winds up at the official board, I wouldn't be shocked if they dropped the game.
.Mikes. wrote: The Australian Infinity Facebook page pretty damn awesome. Just saying.
The Facebook groups, in my opinion, can be very hit or miss. Some are helpful and useful--some are just overly moderated to the point of "no criticism!".
BrotherGecko wrote: Ah, so CB is just letting factions troll each other now. That should be super effective at promoting a non-toxic community.
The ships already sailed on that one. While nothing as bad as the 40k community, Infinity’s is one of the worse community’s in the hobby.
I actually like the 40k community for the most part. I like it because it is comfortable with grumbling and being realistic about the state of the game (not always true of course). Infinity when I first walked into the greater community resembled a cult to me sometimes. I mean you have Warcors trying to do damage control by being obnoxiously positive about everything CB does and very dismissive of any complaint. I don't know why CB outsourced PR to Warcors as so far in my encounters with them they have been wholly unqualified for it. But given how CB does it's own PR...I guess that makes sense.
So far I've found that the saltier voices in the community have made me more confident in finding a way to enjoy the game. I've already spent tons of money the first time I drank the koolaide of "everything in the game is good" if it wasn't of the salty boyz expressing a useful counter to that I'd probably not look at the game any more.
I also seem to come back to the game just as the new controversy breaks out so that might flavor my opinion.
For now, this ^ - can anyone cite a source on this "A player picked the banned units" story?
Comes out of this thread that a certain someone(not me; I'm still adamant in my "I'm not posting there" rule) has even contributed to...
Bonus, here's the battle report/discussion surrounding one of the purported picker of character's games. Apparently there was some questionable nonsense.
So, I've sat down and read the thread about the B4ckd00r event.
There is no reference in there to the CA player picking the banned characters.
What appears to have been the case is that the B4ckd00r had negative effects for all factions apart from CA and Tohaa (sp?) if they didn't win the event - though it wasn't clear what those would be. As it happened CA "won" the event - without gaining anything from doing so, apparently - and therefore all the negative triggers, well, triggered.
I assume that the characters were pre-picked by CB before B4ckd00r began.
-Loki- wrote: Both the official forum and the social media crowd. Local groups are always going to vary a lot - you'll find friendly groups for games with toxic online communities and vice versa. Same with smaller online communities - the Infinity chaps here are fine, despite some fairly vocal disagreements.
But basically if a new player jumps on board and goes online for discussion and winds up at the official board, I wouldn't be shocked if they dropped the game.
Ah, OK thank you for the explanation - makes sense!
I largely avoid the 'Official ' forum for many of the reasons you outline - it seems a very...unwelcoming place.
I'm glad that, for the most part, there's really no need to go there as we've got users here like Kanluwen and others who do a really good job of making sure we're well informed here, in this thread.
For now, this ^ - can anyone cite a source on this "A player picked the banned units" story?
Comes out of this thread that a certain someone(not me; I'm still adamant in my "I'm not posting there" rule) has even contributed to...
Bonus, here's the battle report/discussion surrounding one of the purported picker of character's games. Apparently there was some questionable nonsense.
So, I've sat down and read the thread about the B4ckd00r event.
There is no reference in there to the CA player picking the banned characters.
When reading it yesterday, there was a reference to it--it might have been edited to reflect the poster finding out otherwise. I can't see edits as I refuse to sign up for the forum as long as PsychoticStorm is kept on as a moderator.
What appears to have been the case is that the B4ckd00r had negative effects for all factions apart from CA and Tohaa (sp?) if they didn't win the event - though it wasn't clear what those would be. As it happened CA "won" the event - without gaining anything from doing so, apparently - and therefore all the negative triggers, well, triggered.
Wellllllllllllll, arguably, CA "gains" that certain characters that are commonly considered problems for them to deal with(Rao being one of them--Bagh Mari can be tough for some of their stuff to deal with and a Rao Haris with some solo Bagh Mari can be rough).
I assume that the characters were pre-picked by CB before B4ckd00r began.
Putting it bluntly, the reason why I am even slightly inclined to believe the idea that CB allowed the player to pick the banned characters is that the 'closing' of this half of B4ckd00r took place at a Spanish event--and that, as we saw with last year and the addition of Bit & KISS to CA's ranks, they don't ever actually factor in the notion that people will hop from army to army during the course of an ITS season(the person who added Bit & KISS to CA's ranks played Military Orders by all accounts for the entirety of the season; boosting up his 'alt' army by playing a powerhouse). They're just basing their "balancing" off of the population of players reporting for that faction.
AndrewGPaul wrote: IIRC, the old L5r CCG did something similar - part of the prize at some events was to affect the storyline. Although I believe in that case, it was moderated by the designers, not just letting the winner handicap the competition. :0
(Not necessarily addressed to you Andrew, but just just a response to comments I've been seeing here and in other places.)
This is hardly a meaningful handicap. Its not being able to use a single character in ITS events for part of a single season. Thats 1 out of 34 units for ISS. Only 1 out of 42 for vanilla Yujing. 1 out of like 50+ units for vanilla Haqq. Losing Tarik for a few months isn't a handicap. It's an opportunity to try new units and new tactics.
If you bought Red Veil and either the Beyond Red Veil or Dire Foes boxes and haven't expanded your army since, now is a good time to try something new. You don't have to go out and buy anything, just check out some of the other options in your army and proxy Tarik or Xi Huang or Andromeda or Rao as something else.
Remember, this restriction is JUST for ITS events and JUST for a little while. You're still free to use the models you own in games if you want to. Nothing has been taken from you. Instead of complaining why not embrace the narrative nature of the event and try playing some games without these characters? And if you weren't playing these characters anyway, why complain?
Alternatively, they could have picked basically anything else.
Hell, they could have gone whole hog and made it so that a specific unit within the army was suspected of being infiltrated/compromised rather than a character.
But no. They went characters and picking Xi Huang and Tarik was just bad form on their part. They went out of their way in the Red Veil booklet to plug Xi Huang and the Dire Foes pack and then they put Tarik into a product literally labeled BEYOND RED VEIL...so any pushback with regards to those two characters being chosen is solely on them.
ISS also could have had a Mercenary Character(Sforza, Ashcroft, or Lunah) pulled. Haqqislam could have had a Hassassin pulled and PanO could have had a Knight pulled.
I've never had an issue with the official forums, but I've largely stuck to the Nomad subsection and the painting blogs. It always seems fine. Largely a positive place. The people I've interacted with directly have largely been friendly as well, though I've not interacted with any of the bigger metas.
Official forums are welcoming, as long you echo whatever few key leading people are voicing and never question or criticize CB. Poor moderation, karma system are additional negative things.
It's remarkable how well has this behavior carried to other social media.
Knight wrote: ...as long you echo whatever few key leading people are voicing and never question or criticize CB. Poor moderation, karma system are additional negative things.
...that doesn't sound very welcoming!
When is the next occasion that will get us the next major news drop?
Post photos of your painted minis, or you're a trollin' troll. As soon as I finish my Daofei with HMG, I will have a fully painted 300 point Yu Jing force. See my P&M thread for the photos. Or my gallery for the Red Veil Yu Jing. If you could vote on a few of them too, while you're looking, that'd be great
Knight wrote: Official forums are welcoming, as long you echo whatever few key leading people are voicing and never question or criticize CB. Poor moderation, karma system are additional negative things.
It's remarkable how well has this behavior carried to other social media.
Yap, ammount of fanboysm on official forum is a bit too much for me...doesn't matter what CB does, they can never be wrong. Except few individuals who actually criticize their bad decisions, most people just bow to what ever they do. Now mostly I just lurk there, and avoid any discussions with fan boys, there is so much things places where one can spend their energy on
I've not been on the forums since Beasts of War ran their first campaign, but I remember them bein pretty dull. At least they've livened up, it seems. The worst I got was getting trolled in one thread because I said I quite liked GW miniatures.
.Mikes. wrote: The Australian Infinity Facebook page pretty damn awesome. Just saying.
I unfollowed it when the admins started ripping into me when I had the temerity to say I received Outrage a week before 'street date'.
If the admins are were willing to do that, I didn't feel it worth continuing to follow. I peek in occasionally, but I don't find it worth following anymore.
-Loki- wrote: Both the official forum and the social media crowd. Local groups are always going to vary a lot - you'll find friendly groups for games with toxic online communities and vice versa. Same with smaller online communities - the Infinity chaps here are fine, despite some fairly vocal disagreements.
But basically if a new player jumps on board and goes online for discussion and winds up at the official board, I wouldn't be shocked if they dropped the game.
I don't see this at all. If you look into each of the faction pages on the official forums, just about every new player question regarding lists and models gets answered with multiple helpful suggestions. There are multiple stickied tacticas etc. The 'toxicity' I see there is from players talking about how many releases their faction gets in a year and that's directed towards Bostria/Corvus Belli not other forumites.
When I think of 'toxic' forums, the old Privateerpress forums comes to mind where it was such a dumpster fire (for new and old players) they deleted the whole board to start over and force everyone to agree to ToS each time they log in. And even now , I wouldn't call it a helpful place to get answers.
Mastiff wrote: Can anyone summarize what we know about the Tunguska model releases? Are the Hollow Men new?
I saw the illustrations of the six troopers and am tempted to get non-Yu Jing for ghe first time. I feel a bit dirty.
Hollow Men and Hecklers are both new. The Securitate were slated for a major revamp and at the very least they seem to have lost their Light Shotguns, which should shave a bajillion(HYPERBOLE) points off them and make them reasonably able to be fielded as light infantry heavy links are meant to be. There was talk of them losing their Repeaters but instead getting Pitchers so that the net effect can be similar. The Kriza Borac seems to be getting a new profile (which IMO makes sense since the original dossier had a Missile Launcher that was, from a source I trust, deemed "too OP" with its Full Auto skill) in the form of a Spitfire after its 'beta testing' period from Beyond Icestorm. I'd expect this since the HMG seems to be a 'must have' profile for that big bruiser and I could see them wanting to hold it back for a blister or dual box like the Taskmasters got with a tiny arm swap present.
We also know there's the "Tactical Puppets" and "Nautical Zonds" left to see, along with "at least one character that isn't Morgana"(which, to me at least, implies that Morgana will be Tunguska's Dire Foe). It's currently being speculated that Spector(the Moon Knight "inspired" character in the StarCo list currently) is going to be making an appearance in Tunguska since he's apparently giving a briefing to Tunguskan command in the Uprising book.
Model release wise? We don't know anything beyond the Tunguska box in June/July and that there will be a Grenzers box "soon-ish" afterwards.
Ronin_eX wrote:Well we knew the other shoe was going to drop, but you've gotta love it anyways. Yu Jing just has most of its characters taken away and now one of our most competitive pieces in our only remaining sectorial gets plucked out.
Narrative and tournaments just don't mix, but hey, at least everyone got screwed this time!
Oh well, my group doesn't pretend ITS has any relevance at our table...
So salty, so negative. I like that there is a continual narrative that has effect on the game. Some people don't and maybe there are enough that this is ill advised. Maybe Infinity is a game with deep rules where a significant part of the experience and draw is in looking up rules and making lists, so shaking things up generates excitement for the game; especially with players who have found the crutches and bring the same standard list all the time. Maybe that is the kind of community involvement CB like and you're not in their target market?
-Loki- wrote:
BrotherGecko wrote: Ah, so CB is just letting factions troll each other now. That should be super effective at promoting a non-toxic community.
The ships already sailed on that one. While nothing as bad as the 40k community, Infinity’s is one of the worse community’s in the hobby.
This thread is the most negativity related to Infinity that I've experienced. People get mean and negative toward CB's narrative and every. single. new. sculpt. has. at. least. one. donkey-cave. moaning.
Red Harvest wrote:A few more than 4-5. But I do not think we need to grouse about the shortcomings of the Official forum in this thread.
Is the BoW Campaign to start next week or the week thereafter... or not until the Uprising book is in general release (27 April)?
You'll see some epic grievance-mongering when that starts.
I really wish they would stop with the battle report format, as cool as they are they become more work (that I don't have time for) than fun.
Ronin_eX wrote:Well we knew the other shoe was going to drop, but you've gotta love it anyways. Yu Jing just has most of its characters taken away and now one of our most competitive pieces in our only remaining sectorial gets plucked out.
Narrative and tournaments just don't mix, but hey, at least everyone got screwed this time!
Oh well, my group doesn't pretend ITS has any relevance at our table...
So salty, so negative. I like that there is a continual narrative that has effect on the game. Some people don't and maybe there are enough that this is I'll advised. Maybe Infinity is a game with deep rules where a significant part of the experience and draw I see in looking up rules and making lists, so shaking things up generates excitement for the game; especially with players who have found the crutches and bring the same standard list all the time. Maybe that is the kind of community involvement CB like and you're not in their target market?
-Loki- wrote:
BrotherGecko wrote: Ah, so CB is just letting factions troll each other now. That should be super effective at promoting a non-toxic community.
The ships already sailed on that one. While nothing as bad as the 40k community, Infinity’s is one of the worse community’s in the hobby.
This thread is the most negativity related to Infinity that I've experienced. People get mean and negative toward CB Clive narrative ive" and every. single. new. sculpt. has. at. least. one. donkey-cave. moaning.
Red Harvest wrote:A few more than 4-5. But I do not think we need to grouse about the shortcomings of the Official forum in this thread.
Is the BoW Campaign to start next week or the week thereafter... or not until the Uprising book is in general release (27 April)?
You'll see some epic grievance-mongering when that starts.
I really wish they would stop with the battle report format, as cool as they are they become more work (that I don't have time for) than fun.
It’s almost like people have different opinions and no release will be universally appealing? Not liking a model doesn’t make you an donkey-cave.
Tunguska previews are next month. I'd consider pre-ordering the starter, if you want them anytime soon. I expect they'll sell quickly. Who knows when there would be a re-stock.
This month, previews of the new ( repeating for the page roll):
-Hakims, Special medical assistance group,
-Knight Hospitaller Gabriele de Farsen,
-Caledonian Mormaers APHMG,
-Zoe and PiWell, special clockmakers team,
-Tanko Zensenbutai
We still need more info on the Hakim profile. The more I think about it the more I am sure that it is a sign the RTF is coming this year. Or wishfully thinking.
Yeah well here on Dakka? Nobody deletes your discussions or shovels it off into a part of the forum where nobody goes. About the only time that will happen is if someone does something to break the rules.
Anyways, if you want to see pictures of the April(reality: May) releases--remember there's a thread for it down in the Infinity subforum.
Kanluwen wrote: Yeah well here on Dakka? Nobody deletes your discussions or shovels it off into a part of the forum where nobody goes. About the only time that will happen is if someone does something to break the rules.
Anyways, if you want to see pictures of the April(reality: May) releases--remember there's a thread for it down in the Infinity subforum.
I mean, that’s definitely not true - there’s a hell of a lot of negativity on the official forum about the Uprising and stuff that hasn’t been moved or deleted. You aren’t even on the official forum anymore, so I don’t think you can make assumptions/accusations like that. There’s threads on there that are a hell of a lot more negative than this one.
Kanluwen wrote: Yeah well here on Dakka? Nobody deletes your discussions or shovels it off into a part of the forum where nobody goes. About the only time that will happen is if someone does something to break the rules.
Anyways, if you want to see pictures of the April(reality: May) releases--remember there's a thread for it down in the Infinity subforum.
I mean, that’s definitely not true - there’s a hell of a lot of negativity on the official forum about the Uprising and stuff that hasn’t been moved or deleted. You aren’t even on the official forum anymore, so I don’t think you can make assumptions/accusations like that. There’s threads on there that are a hell of a lot more negative than this one.
PsychoticStorm wrote: I am afraid I have to state that these statements are false, we do not delete discussions that are negative to the game or the company.
You do, however, move them to the Off-Topic section which basically kills the conversation.
Kanluwen wrote: Yeah well here on Dakka? Nobody deletes your discussions or shovels it off into a part of the forum where nobody goes. About the only time that will happen is if someone does something to break the rules.
Anyways, if you want to see pictures of the April(reality: May) releases--remember there's a thread for it down in the Infinity subforum.
I mean, that’s definitely not true - there’s a hell of a lot of negativity on the official forum about the Uprising and stuff that hasn’t been moved or deleted. You aren’t even on the official forum anymore, so I don’t think you can make assumptions/accusations like that. There’s threads on there that are a hell of a lot more negative than this one.
And they're swamped with posts from people like PsychoticStorm where they basically amount to posting "Wait to read the fluff, wait to read the fluff" over and over again.
Also nice of you to ignore the part about how threads also get "shoveled off into a part of the forum where nobody goes".
.Mikes. wrote: My memory sucks, can anyone remind me what the accosted odds were on what the remaining sectorials would be this year?
There were no "odds".
We've been told there's 3 Sectorials left to come out. Varuna, Vedic, and Tartary. There's 2 "N"s left where they could get released, with one of them having to be "two at once" and GenCon being something for people to "think like Operation: Icestorm". Naturally that has led to everyone assuming that means GenCon will see Vedic v Tartary (despite the fact that those two aren't really too...for lack of a better term, confrontational) since Varuna are unlikely to be there since Varuna is a PanO Sectorial and PanO are in Icestorm. That assumption is because ALEPH and Ariadna generic both have two of the oldest starters left at the moment since JSA is about to get replaced.
Personally, I've been working off the assumption that since Tunguska is seeing just a plain starter set instead of an Army Pack(as excited as I am for Tunguska, it makes me think Tunguska--while a new release--doesn't merit one of the "N"s)--Varuna and Vedic will get released with just plain starter sets with the final "N" and be tied to another Uprising style book detailing Varuna's forces(which are supposed to be specialized in counterterrorism and aquatic operations) working alongside of the Vedic forces to root out some kind of insurgency.
It's been making me think that the new 2 player starter set will be Tartary Army Korps Ariadna box versus Druze Bayram-heavy NA2 with a Shock Army styled starter with some weird-ish loadouts. It has some historic rivalry between the two factions(much like PanO vs Nomads or Yu Jing vs Haqqislam) and both of them would be fairly evenly matched--and eventually we need to get a Druze starter since the Druze box(1x Proxy model with Chain Colt, 1x Shock Marksman Rifle, 1x HMG, 1x Hacker with CR+Pitcher) they just released is basically just the 'unit box' that everyone gets to match up with the line troops.
I've been leaning towards speculating that the box will be: Druze Bayram Security
Spoiler:
Druze Bayram Security ──────────────────────────────────────────────────
5 2 DRUZE (X Visor) Combi Rifle, Chain-colt, Panzerfaust / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25) DRUZE (X Visor) Combi Rifle, Chain-colt, Panzerfaust / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25) DRUZE (X Visor) Combi Rifle + Light Grenade Launcher (E/M and Nimbus) / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 27) DRUZE Lieutenant (X Visor) Combi Rifle, Chain-colt / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23) BASHI BAZOUK (Specialist Operative) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 17) BASHI BAZOUKAP Rifle / 2 Breaker Pistols, CC Weapon. (0 | 17) DRUZE (CH: Mimetism) MULTI Sniper / Viral Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 32)<---this would be the "box exclusive" figure like the ones in Icestorm and Red Veil. This particular model can't be taken in Qapu Khalqi but can be in Ikari and Druze Bayram Security
I think it would be a pretty low blow by CB to release another PanO sectorial this year after having ganked one of YJ's and I guess failing to finalize IA for the year (or the better part of this year if it drops Q4). Personally, I believe it would be smart of CB to sit on Varuna for a little while before they push a (small but dedicated) group of players out of the game through alienation.
Besides all effort should be being put into RTF right now. I bought Red Veil specifically for that secotrial and I'm starting to get antsy.
Bro Gecko, the Hakim are a sign from Nuestras Señorias that RTF is coming. Mid-November would be the time for it, if it is coming this year.
The next 'N's are GenCon and mid-November. Current thinking is the GenCon 'N' will be a battle box ( New term for 2 army box) with Ariadna v. ????
ALEPH will not be in the battle box. CB has stated that neither ALEPH nor Tohaa are going into a box like that. Vedic will get a new starter, like we are seeing with Tunguska. I doubt that CB would do a Vedic army box.
The Mid-November slot... I think it will be a book and an army box. The book will have the new sectorials. Tunguska, Vedic, Varuna, Tartary. One of the latter 3 could be the RTF. The box? Varuna or RTF, my wild guess.
We have this BoW campaign soon enough ( in 2 weeks?) Maybe there will be some clues in it. Doubted, but possible.
Red Harvest wrote: Bro Gecko, the Hakim are a sign from Nuestras Señorias that RTF is coming. Mid-November would be the time for it, if it is coming this year.
The next 'N's are GenCon and mid-November. Current thinking is the GenCon 'N' will be a battle box ( New term for 2 army box) with Ariadna v. ????
ALEPH will not be in the battle box. CB has stated that neither ALEPH nor Tohaa are going into a box like that. Vedic will get a new starter, like we are seeing with Tunguska. I doubt that CB would do a Vedic army box.
The Mid-November slot... I think it will be a book and an army box. The book will have the new sectorials. Tunguska, Vedic, Varuna, Tartary. One of the latter 3 could be the RTF. The box? Varuna or RTF, my wild guess.
We have this BoW campaign soon enough ( in 2 weeks?) Maybe there will be some clues in it. Doubted, but possible.
I'm expecting the book and 2 player box for GenCon with them not coming out until at least late August or early September. Remember that the "event" preorders usually last a month or so and then it will be another month before delivery.
That would also then mean that from the time of that release, you would have about a month before the two remaining Sectorials (Vedic and Varuna) could be given their respective starter sets ala Tunguska.
Then there would have been 0 reason for Bostria to make a mention of there being 3 left to go and one of them being a 2 for 1.
He was specifically saying there's 3 to be revealed, right after Tunguska were confirmed. On the other ones, no other sectorial has been outright confirmed, from Cancon to Rumble to Adepticon Bostria is name dropping different lists every time, so there's no way to know for sure. If I had to hazard a guess though, Aleph and Yu Jing are 100% out this year, so no Vedic. YJ getting closed battle lists for IA in the upcoming campaign, it can't be that soon, and 2 sectorials being in the starter pretty much locks out Aleph. Unless they repeat what's already been in a 2 player box (and assuming what comes in there is 2 new/possibly revamped sectorials) we won't be seeing Varuna in there (and they're one of the most heavily teased at this point) or Ramah (which is in Red Veil), plus the fact Bostria continually says Aleph won't have a 2 player box. Getting an NA2 starter in the 2 player box would be interesting, and I can see it happening, but it'll be far more Brawler focused than anything if it does happen IMO. Anything about what the 3 remaining army releases is just speculation at this point, and I'd guess it will be until right before Gencon
Getting an NA2 starter in the 2 player box would be interesting, and I can see it happening, but it'll be far more Brawler focused than anything if it does happen IMO. Anything about what the 3 remaining army releases is just speculation at this point, and I'd guess it will be until right before Gencon
See, I thought the same thing about Brawler focus as well at first.
But then I realized that with Brawlers? They've got a fairly consistent enough profile that they could reasonably see a box to cover most everything.
Rifle+LSG covers 3 profiles(one of which is LT and one is just the Haris profile) plus Engineers with D-Charges and Paramedics with Medical Kits.
Multi Sniper Rifle is its own profile with MSVL2.
Heavy Rocket has an Assault Pistol
Hacker has a SMG
So 8 profiles, 3 which would best be served by a generic Rifle+LSG, 2 with Rifle+LSG that could be given proxy status. A profile for the sniper, profile for HRL, and a Hacker. Brawlers also only see light, currently, in the 3 NA2 Merc outfits.
A Druze centric box with Bashi Bazouks on the other hand lets them put out, via a backdoor channel, a "new" Qapu Khalqi starter and a 'starter' for two of the 3 merc companies in one go.
Not saying this is exactly what they'll do, but if they have given it anywhere near the same amount of thought I have? They'd be mining solid gold there since Outrage and the Druze were apparently a Big Deal for bringing new folks in.
I must have missed this. So there's a video where someone from CB confirms that Vedic is one of the remaining sectorials we'll see this year? Do you have a link?
Red Harvest wrote: Bro Gecko, the Hakim are a sign from Nuestras Señorias that RTF is coming. Mid-November would be the time for it, if it is coming this year.
The next 'N's are GenCon and mid-November. Current thinking is the GenCon 'N' will be a battle box ( New term for 2 army box) with Ariadna v. ????
ALEPH will not be in the battle box. CB has stated that neither ALEPH nor Tohaa are going into a box like that. Vedic will get a new starter, like we are seeing with Tunguska. I doubt that CB would do a Vedic army box.
The Mid-November slot... I think it will be a book and an army box. The book will have the new sectorials. Tunguska, Vedic, Varuna, Tartary. One of the latter 3 could be the RTF. The box? Varuna or RTF, my wild guess.
We have this BoW campaign soon enough ( in 2 weeks?) Maybe there will be some clues in it. Doubted, but possible.
It has been 100% confirmed that Gencon will be a new battle box. What that will be is just speculation but most likely Vedict vs Ariadna, and if it is Ariadna it will be Tartary since the French would need an army box of its own to get them up to N3 standards since everything they have is really old.
The statement of ALEPH not being in a battlebox is really old, about 3 - 4 years old when. I think that has been thrown out the window since a couple of years ago after they did their "blatant market research" at Gencon some two years ago and one of the things was a box with ALEPH vs Combined and it was well received. I think it had a picture of an Avatar punching Achilles or the other way around.
And they have stated that the primary goal for this year is to try and get the people already playing Infinity to branch out into buying new armies and not necessarily getting new people into the game, thats just an added bonus.
That and it would be weird if they kept ALEPH in the bottom for nr of release slots/year for a third year in a row.
Personally i hope Vedict isn't in there because im not really sure of how im going to handle starting three new armies in one year since Vedict, Tartary(for both the sectorial and to play vanilla) and Varuna are things i have been looking forward to.
FINALLY CB are finally fixing Kusanagi. It is good to hear, I love the fluff and have the model but she is just too expensive for what she is to be of any real use.
master of ordinance wrote: FINALLY CB are finally fixing Kusanagi. It is good to hear, I love the fluff and have the model but she is just too expensive for what she is to be of any real use.
No they're not. They will get a small bonus for being missing for so long as part of the ongoing narrative, but they're not getting a profile rework or tweak.
The guy running the ITS narrative stuff @HellLois has confirmed on Facebook that they are NOT gone for the rest of the season.
They are also NOT getting profile changes or updates.
There WILL be some kind of bonus added for them when they do come back, as part of the next "stage" of the Season 9 narrative.
master of ordinance wrote: FINALLY CB are finally fixing Kusanagi. It is good to hear, I love the fluff and have the model but she is just too expensive for what she is to be of any real use.
No they're not. They will get a small bonus for being missing for so long as part of the ongoing narrative, but they're not getting a profile rework or tweak.
The guy running the ITS narrative stuff @HellLois has confirmed on Facebook that they are NOT gone for the rest of the season.
They are also NOT getting profile changes or updates.
There WILL be some kind of bonus added for them when they do come back, as part of the next "stage" of the Season 9 narrative.
Shame, she could *really* use a fresh miniature =/
master of ordinance wrote: FINALLY CB are finally fixing Kusanagi. It is good to hear, I love the fluff and have the model but she is just too expensive for what she is to be of any real use.
No they're not. They will get a small bonus for being missing for so long as part of the ongoing narrative, but they're not getting a profile rework or tweak.
The guy running the ITS narrative stuff @HellLois has confirmed on Facebook that they are NOT gone for the rest of the season.
They are also NOT getting profile changes or updates.
There WILL be some kind of bonus added for them when they do come back, as part of the next "stage" of the Season 9 narrative.
Shame, she could *really* use a fresh miniature =/
Kusanagi might get a model but it's unlikely given that Bakunin is "done" for the time being and it wouldn't be tied to this event or anything. It just would be her getting a new model.
master of ordinance wrote: FINALLY CB are finally fixing Kusanagi. It is good to hear, I love the fluff and have the model but she is just too expensive for what she is to be of any real use.
No they're not. They will get a small bonus for being missing for so long as part of the ongoing narrative, but they're not getting a profile rework or tweak.
The guy running the ITS narrative stuff @HellLois has confirmed on Facebook that they are NOT gone for the rest of the season.
They are also NOT getting profile changes or updates.
There WILL be some kind of bonus added for them when they do come back, as part of the next "stage" of the Season 9 narrative.
Shame, she could *really* use a fresh miniature =/
Kusanagi might get a model but it's unlikely given that Bakunin is "done" for the time being and it wouldn't be tied to this event or anything. It just would be her getting a new model.
That said, they just got new Morlocks, & fairly recently Riot Grrls.
If she’s a focus of this ITS season or whatever the heck is going on it would be nice if they did an update.
Moderators march 17
Zero repack june 17
Riot Grrls july 17
Taskmaster october 17
Morlocks jan 18
Zoe next month, and prowlers repack
Kusanagi aside, there's plenty of room for the riot grrl spitfire, Bran, maybe even new uberfallkommando.
(tho really i wish they'd redo Zeroes and Prowlers)
Something to consider. We may just get the sectorial list, like we've had for the NAA sectorials, except the JSA.
I don't really understand why people think Vedic can't be in a two player box. The onlyreason I can think of is that Carlos said that Aleph wasn't a beginners army and wouldn't appear in two player boxes, but that was like 2 years ago and obviously things change. I think its totally possible ta this point.
Carlos said that the 5 new sectorials would all have models and not just be (to use his phrase) "paper armies". I guess that doesn't mean that they might not release a sectorial list for Vedic in addition to whatever the remaining 3 armies are. Persoanlly I still think there's a chance we'll see a new book later this year.
Absolutionis wrote: Aleph vs Combined makes sense storylinewise, but we already have a Steel Phalanx box.
I don't really think the 300 point army boxes are a consideration. They're just repacks of old models.
(tho really i wish they'd redo Zeroes and Prowlers)
The original Zero hasn't aged well, but Prowlers are really nice models and fit in well with the current Nomad designs and scale. Do they really need a redo?
LunarSol wrote: I quite like my Zeros. The could be better, but they don't stand out as old models to me at all.
The hacker has aged really well. It also fits in with the newer models nicely. The original (the sneaky one with the knife) stands out a lot as one of CB's original style "single piece with dynamic pose" models. I've never loved that particular model, but I do miss that style sometimes. Especially since each model tended to look like an actual individual.
LunarSol wrote: I quite like my Zeros. The could be better, but they don't stand out as old models to me at all.
The hacker has aged really well. It also fits in with the newer models nicely. The original (the sneaky one with the knife) stands out a lot as one of CB's original style "single piece with dynamic pose" models. I've never loved that particular model, but I do miss that style sometimes. Especially since each model tended to look like an actual individual.
Sneaky guy is actually my favorite. Compared to other older models I have he's a good size compared to the newer digital sculpts and he looks great for the role he serves on the table. The primary problem with him that's pretty common with models from that era are just that his gun is too large, though since its tucked in its not as comically obvious as it is for say, the Moran.
LunarSol wrote: I quite like my Zeros. The could be better, but they don't stand out as old models to me at all.
The hacker has aged really well. It also fits in with the newer models nicely. The original (the sneaky one with the knife) stands out a lot as one of CB's original style "single piece with dynamic pose" models. I've never loved that particular model, but I do miss that style sometimes. Especially since each model tended to look like an actual individual.
Sneaky guy is actually my favorite. Compared to other older models I have he's a good size compared to the newer digital sculpts and he looks great for the role he serves on the table. The primary problem with him that's pretty common with models from that era are just that his gun is too large, though since its tucked in its not as comically obvious as it is for say, the Moran.
Yeah, I have a lot of the older models that I still like a lot, and the original line actually scales really well with the current models. But some of those weapons are pretty beefy. I finally went ahead and retired my Fusilier HMG. Her gun was just comically big.
Those hats are awful. They look like mascots for a poorly designed line of tupperware.
If they were the same it would help; the consistency would at least reinforce the idea that the silly hats were intentional. But now it looks like they designed one, realized how silly it was, tried again with a different design... hated that one and tried yet again.
The salad bowl is passable I guess. But Mayor McCheese and Starbucks Coffee Lid need to go.
I guess that future Japanese neo-bushido radicals are so gung-ho about embracing their cultural throwbacks that they turn things to eleven, raid the kitchen supply store, and dont even check themselves in the mirror.
Another theory. These and the daikyoku are deliberately bad, so much so that Yu Jing players will be elated that the JSA and its fugly minis are no longer a part of the faction.
Yeah. That has to be it. Now all CB needs to do is release the IA for GenCon along with a few awesome new Yu zJing minis and all will be right for the Yujingalings, Yuchineros, Yutchiniers and the Yujingerydoos.
Red Harvest wrote: Another theory. These and the daikyoku are deliberately bad, so much so that Yu Jing players will be elated that the JSA and its fugly minis are no longer a part of the faction.
Yeah. That has to be it. Now all CB needs to do is release the IA for GenCon along with a few awesome new Yu zJing minis and all will be right for the Yujingalings, Yuchineros, Yutchiniers and the Yujingerydoos.
Its true. The average level of yu jing HI visual coolness went up markedly after the uprising.
Mastiff wrote:Those hats are awful. They look like mascots for a poorly designed line of tupperware.
If they were the same it would help; the consistency would at least reinforce the idea that the silly hats were intentional. But now it looks like they designed one, realized how silly it was, tried again with a different design... hated that one and tried yet again.
The salad bowl is passable I guess. But Mayor McCheese and Starbucks Coffee Lid need to go.
The background is the equipment is a hodge-podge of components, scrounged together to form a suit of armour as the uprising left a lot of shortages (reading the unit entry, I almost expected the Tanko to get scavenger). I like that each is visually distinctive, but the fact the hats seem to actually be the helmets rather than an aesthetic addition is...odd.
It'll take some getting used to.
As for 3-in-a-box, well CB damned themselves there by making them AVA 3 in the first place. They could either put 4 in a box and face complaints that they were selling a model people couldn't use, or put 3 in and face complaints that they're under-filling compared with other HI box sets. While I don't expect to see them 25% cheaper than the (for example) Hospitalers box, I'm hoping to see at least a little price differential (or an as yet unrevealed 4th model, maybe another Kuge/HVT?).
Mastiff wrote:
As for 3-in-a-box, well CB damned themselves there by making them AVA 3 in the first place. They could either put 4 in a box and face complaints that they were selling a model people couldn't use, or put 3 in and face complaints that they're under-filling compared with other HI box sets. While I don't expect to see them 25% cheaper than the (for example) Hospitalers box, I'm hoping to see at least a little price differential (or an as yet unrevealed 4th model, maybe another Kuge/HVT?).
They could have packed in a Domaru Combi Rifle as a fourth model. Except of course the unit si also available in Ikari, which has no Domaru.
The hats are bad, but headswaps are easy enough. I'm more concerned with CBs new trend towards oversized neck guards that look like frontiersmen kettle spouts. The Daiyokai have it, the Tanko have it, DeFerson has it, the artwork for the new Rasyats have it. All I see when I look at the new figs:
Kalamadea wrote: The hats are bad, but headswaps are easy enough. I'm more concerned with CBs new trend towards oversized neck guards that look like frontiersmen kettle spouts. The Daiyokai have it, the Tanko have it, DeFerson has it, the artwork for the new Rasyats have it. All I see when I look at the new figs:
Its not new. At least not for Morats. Its been part of their design since before the resculpts.
Kalamadea wrote: The hats are bad, but headswaps are easy enough. I'm more concerned with CBs new trend towards oversized neck guards that look like frontiersmen kettle spouts. The Daiyokai have it, the Tanko have it, DeFerson has it, the artwork for the new Rasyats have it. All I see when I look at the new figs:
Its not new. At least not for Morats. Its been part of their design since before the resculpts.
I really hate this trend. They look like GW space marines.
I think I will be able to stomach the ridiculous Tanko sculpts only because they are really a window dressing unit. If they were a core fireteam of 5 guys I'd really he hesitant to use such derpy models.
However, I'm loving the option to put Mushashi in a haris with anything and watch the opposition squirm as they barrel forward
It's a pretty crucial element to body armor to protect the throat. So I approve of CB taking design cues from actual protective gear, even if stylized.
Besides a big throat guard must be nice to snuggle into on cold nights doing guard duty lol.
I actually like the models, except for the hats. I think the armor is pretty neat and the poses are solid.
Does anyone have any idea if the heads are separate? Or if the hats are separate from the heads? I was hoping that would be the case with the Daiyokai, but from what I can tell the head/hate is part of the torso.
Micky wrote: Someone on FB said that each model has 2 head options and 2 arm options. But taking that with a grain of salt til we actually see the box.
That stuff usually gets shown off when these videos drop...but c'est la vie. Maybe they will, maybe they won't.
The multiple heads and arms comment was from the official Infinity account on Facebook, but on another post Angel Giraldez stated he wasn't aware of any options. So who knows. I'm hopeful, the Shikami received similar treatment.
mothman_451 wrote: The multiple heads and arms comment was from the official Infinity account on Facebook, but on another post Angel Giraldez stated he wasn't aware of any options. So who knows. I'm hopeful, the Shikami received similar treatment.
If Angel wasn't given any options then that doesn't bode well.
mothman_451 wrote: The multiple heads and arms comment was from the official Infinity account on Facebook, but on another post Angel Giraldez stated he wasn't aware of any options. So who knows. I'm hopeful, the Shikami received similar treatment.
If Angel wasn't given any options then that doesn't bode well.
I don't think I've ever seen Angel comment on options or anything related to the retail release of minis he paints.
mothman_451 wrote: The multiple heads and arms comment was from the official Infinity account on Facebook, but on another post Angel Giraldez stated he wasn't aware of any options. So who knows. I'm hopeful, the Shikami received similar treatment.
If Angel wasn't given any options then that doesn't bode well.
I don't think I've ever seen Angel comment on options or anything related to the retail release of minis he paints.
Not to put too fine of a point on it, but while he might not comment...when there are multiple options, he usually gets sent them at the same time and he paints them at the same time. His pictures usually will have them separate from the model proper or at a different stage. For example: when the SpecOps releases came out, he'd show off the alternate head fully painted on the primed model rather than mess with the paint job.
If he wasn't sent extra options, that either means they don't want to show them off or they're cutting costs by not having Angel paint them.
Side note: Just got my copy of the Soldiers of Fortune expansion of Areseia! today. Its a nice little box and well worth the cost. I was pleasantly surprised to see that the plastic models are much nicer than the ones in the core set. They're still not perfect, but the details are sharp and the mold lines are minimal. I'm really impressed.
My friend bought a Star Wars: Legion set earlier this month and we were both disappointed to see that those models, while not poor at all, where also not particularly great. I've seen lots of arguments that its unreasonable to expect higher quality plastic models from a non GW company, especially one that doesn't have a lot of experience with plastic. That always seemed like a poor excuse to me, but this new Aresteia! set really makes it clear that it doesn't hold any water.
If you were looking at some of the models in this set and thinking about adding them to your Infinity army, but worried that the quality wasn't good enough, I'd say its worth a second look. They don't have the super fine detail of metal, but they are really good.
Good. They are just game pieces though. Nice to hear CB is trying to make them better than most other boardgame game pieces are made. They do have a reputation to maintain... despite the Tanko and Daiyokai. All hat and no cowboy samurai. XD
I mean, so are all miniatures. There's no real excuse to have poor looking game pieces when having better looking ones for the same cost is an option, right?
Right. I agree. I meant, but didn't say --oops-- they are just boardgame pieces. There is an entirely different level of expectation for TTG miniatures/game pieces where the miniatures themselves, and their appearances, are part of the game. The visual appeal is as important as the gameplay itself. This is not really a thing for boardgames.
There is not much cross-over from boardgamers to tabletop gamers. The demand for high quality figures for the game is small.
Red Harvest wrote: Right. I agree. I meant, but didn't say --oops-- they are just boardgame pieces. There is an entirely different level of expectation for TTG miniatures/game pieces where the miniatures themselves, and their appearances, are part of the game. The visual appeal is as important as the gameplay itself. This is not really a thing for boardgames.
There is not much cross-over from boardgamers to tabletop gamers. The demand for high quality figures for the game is small.
Hmm. Well, I feel like one of the selling points for Aristia! was good looking miniatures. Much effort was put into talking about how the miniatures were high quality and, and a big focus of the advertising campaign was on the miniatures. That said, I do agree that for a lot of games that isn't really important. Not every game needs nice looking pieces. And certainly not every board gamer is going to care, but I'm sure a lot would prefer better looking models for the same or similar cost if the option was available. I mean, even if you don't really care at all, having a better looking pawn is always preferable, right? I also think that with more gaming options than ever, a game that focuses on miniatures should really be going out of their way to make those look as good as they can (for pre-assembled plastic mono-pose gaming pieces).
I see the "There's not much cross over between board gamers and tabletop gamers" argument a lot (or its twin "board gamers don't care about how miniatures look), but I don't think its really as true as it used to be. I've been working in gaming for a really long time, and I've seen that cross over a lot. Most table top gamers also play board game, at least sometimes. The opposite isn't nearly as true, but board games do often end up as a gateway into table top gaming. I've seen plenty of people get excited for Zombicide or Super Dungeon Explore or Imperial Assault or one of GWs board games and move on to more miniature heavy table top games (I got my start with Hero Quest). I've also seen people get super excited about the miniatures in their board game (or their rpg), painting their whole sets even though they've never played a table top game, and then eagerly looking at the Age of Sigmar or Infinity shelf at the store for something new to paint. Many gamers are project oriented, and one of the ways they invest themselves in a a game they enjoy and make it their own is by painting the models that come with it (or creating art or stories for their characters, or costume card sleeves, or whatever)
I don't think you're wrong, but I think things have been changing pretty fast (for gaming) over the last few years, and I think theres more people who are looking for better/more interesting/more detailed/prettier miniatures with their board games.
Probably a discussion for a different topic though. But something I am interested in
I know quite a few boardgamers. I game with them. They have no interest in TTGs, or "lifestyle games" as several have called TTGs. The cross-over, from what I've seen, is from RPGers to TTGers (RPGs can also be "lifestyle games"), and vice versa, and then TTGers and RPGer will play boardgames too. If it is changing, good. TTGs can use all the players they can get.
However, anecdote is not the singular of data. And yes, this is getting OT. Thus, back OT: Nice looking figures for Aristeia! should help sales across the spectrum of gamers. A quick look at Boardgamegeek shows it has an 8.8 rating (that's pretty good) and 144 reviews. Oh my, some of those names posting reviews are mighty familiar looking.
No announcement date for the start of the next BoW campaign? The calendar shows it starting by now.
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