There's more pictures on their Facebook, but...yeah. Facebook.
The Blackjack looks better painted but it's still a crummy pose. It's bad enough they threw a random as hell machete on the T2 Sniper. The Dire Foes Grunt is awful. Just awful. Nexus looks good. HVT looks "Meh".
Shikami getting a second model, complete with options, is kinda mindboggling since it was really unnecessary but cool. Nisse repack is...well, it's a Nisse repack.
I think the Grunt will look great with a head swap, hopefully it's a separate piece. Either a spare regular female grunt head or one from Statuesque Minis should make it look pretty great.
I'm liking the new Blackjack more and more. It's an odd pose, but I kinda dig the at-rest nature of it, very similar to the Fusilier w/ ML pose. It also has an MG that LOOKS like an MG, not that rediculous boxy gun or stupidly boxy sniper rifle on the original that just look out of place. If I ever get around to assembling and playing my USAriadna, I'd likely convert the sniper profile from this new Blackjack
Kalamadea wrote: I think the Grunt will look great with a head swap, hopefully it's a separate piece. Either a spare regular female grunt head or one from Statuesque Minis should make it look pretty great.
It will be a separate piece probably, but it will also likely be exceedingly weirdly sculpted so that it will require sculpt work.
It's just a garbage pose all around. Add to it the stupid hair coming out of the back of her helmet and it's just...blah. Apparently they were afraid we wouldn't know she was a woman or something.
I'm liking the new Blackjack more and more. It's an odd pose, but I kinda dig the at-rest nature of it, very similar to the Fusilier w/ ML pose. It also has an MG that LOOKS like an MG, not that rediculous boxy gun or stupidly boxy sniper rifle on the original that just look out of place. If I ever get around to assembling and playing my USAriadna, I'd likely convert the sniper profile from this new Blackjack
Uh, you mean the submachine gun("sidearm") and the T2 Sniper Rifle(most T2 weapons are on Caledonian stuff, FYI, with much of it being on Wulvers)?
Yeah, it's an "at-rest" pose...but it's something that precludes you from ever really wanting to field more than one of a thing. This is what Corvus Belli either does not or refuses to understand. "Generic" poses sell more models than wildly specific poses like this.
Alternate parts sell more models than those without(they bragged about the sales on the Shikami recently, claiming that's why they did a second Shikami) since it is a way to let people feel comfortable having multiples of the same model since they can do different parts to differentiate the models from one another.
Fake News. If the poster said 'Ya Basta' I would believe it.
Re-hosted here on the dakka gallery. Because feth Facebook. And Kan's image is broken for me.
Shikami looks nice. Asawira is pinching a loaf. Kandi Lynn is missing her stripper pole Nothing stands out really, good or bad. Except Kandi Lynn looks like the Corporate VIP from the Yasbir-Konstantinos Dire Foes. Same lower half. Recycling is good, m'kay.
I have the old Asawira spitfire. This one does not inspire me to replace the one I have. I do hope to see the Dr. Asawira soon.
I remember reading that the designer intended for it to look like he was blocking, so it looks really weird having it do an offensive move. I read it from a 2nd hand source so could be bunk, who knows. Still looks weird. They should have just gone full on action movie and turned it into a slide.
The model concept is still good, but I can't buy it because of that weird pose. The design cues are there from the old Kurgat. Wish they kept the more angular armour on the arms. I will be using my old autocannon Kurgat until they come up with something better.
Apparently bases are for defecating on. So, 33mm bases coming, or maybe 29mm bases?
Thing is, looking at the detail, It is a good concept, but not a good sculpt at all. Pose it better, and fit it on the base and it would be a very good mini. I have hope for the Dr.
It's worth noting that only this image is official as of the other 3 that are going around (there's a Tohaa and MO one as well as the Yu Jing image with the quote) haven't been shared on CB's social media. Only the above image is confirmed as real.
BobbaFett wrote: Everybody says that it's about JSA going rogue against Yu Jing.
Finally the JSA is beign resculpted a laN3.
JSA has always represented a rogue element within YJ; that's why Yojimbo works for them. What appears to be happening here is less about JSA breaking off from YJ, and more that YJ no longer allowing them to act as autonomous entity and forcing it back into YJ proper. Certain elements will no doubt flee to continue the fight independently, but YJ is likely ceasing to acknowledge the JSA as a legitimate organization within YJ.
.Mikes. wrote: I must be weird. I seemed to be in the minority who disliked the first Blackjack sculpt and in the minority who really like this new one.
If the blackjack is the one previewed today on youtube, I'm right there with you. I'm not keen on the ridiculously large magnum revolver and the barrel of the giant machine gun in the dirt but they don't bother me enough to dislike it overall.
Hmm, hopefully a non-aligned Japanese force doesn't nix the actual JSA while allowing them to spin Japanese Seperatist units like the Kempetai in to its own thing (because it has no place in a non-Japanese list, and only barely makes sense in a JSA list that is pulling double duty as a seperatist faction as well as the StateEmpire force.
But man, if they take Shinobu, Ninja and Keisotsu away from vanilla, then that will be a pretty heavy blow (though I guess one way of fixing Zhanshi is to just force us to take them, not a solution I would have gone with but...).
.Mikes. wrote: I must be weird. I seemed to be in the minority who disliked the first Blackjack sculpt and in the minority who really like this new one.
If the blackjack is the one previewed today on youtube, I'm right there with you. I'm not keen on the ridiculously large magnum revolver and the barrel of the giant machine gun in the dirt but they don't bother me enough to dislike it overall.
The gun is resting on the bipod, the barrel isn't actually in the dirt. Still not the smartest way to hold a weapon, but I was much less bothered by it once I noticed that. I far prefer this one to the jerry can with a spigot that the first oone is holding, and it doesn't look difficult to rotate the wrist, clip off the stock and mount the HMG in the right hand. Oversized magnum looks the same or similar enough to the Devil Dog magnum that I kinda like it.
-Loki- wrote: I actually like the new Asawira. I just wish they did some alternate arms to cover the Boarding Shotgun as well, since there's still no model.
Would have been nice for the Blackjack as well, with a set of arms to have it firing the APHMG--like they did with the Highlander recently.
TigerMafia wrote: I remember reading that the designer intended for it to look like he was blocking, so it looks really weird having it do an offensive move. I read it from a 2nd hand source so could be bunk, who knows. Still looks weird. They should have just gone full on action movie and turned it into a slide.
The model concept is still good, but I can't buy it because of that weird pose. The design cues are there from the old Kurgat. Wish they kept the more angular armour on the arms. I will be using my old autocannon Kurgat until they come up with something better.
I was told the same thing. I appreciate that the sculptor is trying a new pose (since his Morats have been pretty dull, pose wise) but this pose just looks ridiculous. Its nice to have a Morat model that is kneeling or squatting, but having it blocking a non-existent close combat attack (with a ccw the profile doesn't even include) was a mistake I think. I would have loved to see the model shooting, laying a mine, interacting with an object, doing some engineering thing, crawling, dodging, leaping, loading a weapon or really anything else.
I also think its weird that his arms are unarmored. That really makes no sense for the Kurgat regiment, does it?
It's worth noting that only this image is official as of the other 3 that are going around (there's a Tohaa and MO one as well as the Yu Jing image with the quote) haven't been shared on CB's social media. Only the above image is confirmed as real.
The other Yu Jing one was being shared by WarCors.
It got shared today/yesterday by CB itself. There's also the following text:
Communication from the Spokesperson for the Office of the President of the Yu Jing State Empire
Day One of the Japanese Uprising
I wonder if CB will splinter the JSA into two sectorials, one being the Yu Jing subordinate JSA and one being a Druze-like independent faction with their own unique toys.
I wonder if CB will splinter the JSA into two sectorials, one being the Yu Jing subordinate JSA and one being a Druze-like independent faction with their own unique toys.
You could literally keep them both as JSA:
Japanese State Army
Japanese Secessionist Army
I assume JSA will just cease to be a YJ thing. Otherwise its not really going to be something that upsets anyone. Models might likely remain available in Vanilla, (much of the JSA is relatively YJ loyal after all; they're just likely to lose their autonomy) but the JSA exclusive stuff is likely moving to unaligned exclusively.
I wonder if CB will splinter the JSA into two sectorials, one being the Yu Jing subordinate JSA and one being a Druze-like independent faction with their own unique toys.
I wonder if CB will splinter the JSA into two sectorials, one being the Yu Jing subordinate JSA and one being a Druze-like independent faction with their own unique toys.
This is what I keep hoping for Morats.
The Morats love fighting, though, and the CA loves fighting.
If anything, I'd expect the sneaky and Survive-at-all-costs Shasvasti to defect.
Hmm. What are the odds of JSA or whatever their new sectorial will be called getting a transforming motorcycle, like the old Robotech Cyclone bike? That silhouette kind of reminds me of one. They could do the profile similar to the Su Jian with a high mobility bike mode and a HI combat mode.
Bladerunner2019 wrote: I understand this suggests JSA might be splitting off, but is it really any change from the existing fluff?
The Japanese are already subjugated 2nd class citizens under the Yu Jing Emperor. Putting down bloody uprisings is an ongoing part of the narrative.
It’s more likely a new army box for the sectorial with shiny new models/profiles and some tweaks. I really doubt a full spin off will be happening.
The ongoing narrative is that the Kempeitai are polarizing figures. Some of the Japanese feel that they do more harm than good, since their attacks are indiscriminate and just result in tighter measures against the Japanese people.
Some think they're heroes and thus act as saboteurs and malcontents as well. The days of "bloody uprisings" has been more/less put way behind them though since they think it hurts their cause. They'd rather assassinate Yu Jing officers and officials known to devalue Japanese lives.
Supposedly this is art done by someone who's done contracted work by CB. It also, supposedly, vanished from his artist portfolio--but not before anyone saved it.
Supposedly this is art done by someone who's done contracted work by CB. It also, supposedly, vanished from his artist portfolio--but not before anyone saved it.
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What does the middle guy in green look like?
Been waiting for new Shang-ji for some time now.
Edit:
Nevermind, clearly just a buff tiger soldier
Supposedly this is art done by someone who's done contracted work by CB. It also, supposedly, vanished from his artist portfolio--but not before anyone saved it.
What does the middle guy in green look like?
Been waiting for new Shang-ji for some time now.
Edit:
Nevermind, clearly just a buff tiger soldier
The only part that’s the same as a Tiger Soldier is the backpack. So it could be a new drop HI.
There's been some mention of a unit called a 'Shooting Star' that's supposedly a Korean themed drop troop. There's been a lot of buzz over it on 4chan, and I'm pretty Bostria has named dropped it at some stage. Seems likely to me that this new guy in the artwork is a Shooting Star, because a HI drop troop is one hell of a shooting star
Red Harvest wrote: I thought it was a Zuyong Invincible at first. It would make the first AD Heavy infantry unit in the game. A two wound combat jumper. Nice.
A new JSA box would mean, finally, an end to the current Keisotsu. They cannot be melted down in the crucible fast enough.
Red Harvest wrote: I thought it was a Zuyong Invincible at first. It would make the first AD Heavy infantry unit in the game. A two wound combat jumper. Nice.
A new JSA box would mean, finally, an end to the current Keisotsu. They cannot be melted down in the crucible fast enough.
Exalted!
(And please be so!)
Are they the ones with the MC hammer pants? Its not a good look.
AndrewGPaul wrote: You mean the ones in hakama? Nothing wrong with those miniatures, other than now being a little bit on the small side.
Are those Hakama? I guess its the boots that threw me off, because I'm not used to see them tied at the bottom with such tall boots and all puffy like that. I'm more accustomed to how shrine maidens wear theirs.
Red Harvest wrote: I thought it was a Zuyong Invincible at first. It would make the first AD Heavy infantry unit in the game. A two wound combat jumper. Nice.
A new JSA box would mean, finally, an end to the current Keisotsu. They cannot be melted down in the crucible fast enough.
Exalted!
(And please be so!)
Are they the ones with the MC hammer pants? Its not a good look.
It's not the hakama; it's that they are ugly. They are tiny, teensy-weensy tiny. The heads are terrible. The guns are massive. Look at the JSA support pack for an idea of how much better they can look. CB has really improved the look of the Yu Jing minis from what they were when I started. (They were off-puttingly ugly, BITD) These Keisotsu are some of the vestiges of those times.
Any word on the rumors about a Ariadna v. CA box? Is CB now prepping us for a JSA army box? or an Invincible Army box?
Dire Foes 7 preview. I'm saving you all the clickthrough and having most of it here. Fluff in the spoiler. It's...it's not great. It's actually pretty awful.
Fits with the exceedingly "Meh" profile though. It's like they just wanted to have a "Rosie" character to make up some crap about Rosie the Riveter(but in spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace!).
Spoiler:
"Secured, you say? Sergeant, I am the daughter and the granddaughter of riveters, and it is perfectly clear to me that structure is not secured at all. None of my men will cross through there until you strengthen all those fasteners, got it?"
Rosie Munroe, patrol operations in Shepard gorge, Ariadna Exclusion Zone.
When the Special Operations Command liaison showed up to try and recruit Rosie Munroe, he found her in the brig for punching a superior. True story, man. They were letting her simmer down, but she was obviously guilty. I mean, a bunch of people saw her do it. Know what she had to say during her court martial? “melon-fether had it coming, sir.” Now, to be fair, the melon-fether did have it coming. You know the type, a sort of ingrained stupidity that can only be cured with therapy. Well she gave him therapy all right: knuckle therapy. ‘Round these parts you don’t just talk gak about a Riveter, even if you’re her CO. Alright, so Rosie’s not technically a Riveter—that’s exactly why she joined the USARF, so she could leave her village and lead a different life—but her mom and her mom’s mom are Riveters. You could say she’s honorary.
What’s a Riveter? They’re the indefatigable workingwomen of the USAriadnan factories! Flesh-and-blood national treasures. These girls are reckoned to be some of the toughest guys on this gosh-dammed rock. I don’t mean manly. I mean they’re womanly enough to cave your head in, and your swole-ass cousin’s head too if he steps up. The women here are made of wrought steel is what I’m saying. They built this great nation from a hostile, beset soil. You best respect that, and if you don’t, it’s your balls. It very nearly was Rosie’s CO’s balls, matter of fact, so he can count his lucky stars he’s still hanging onto them. Or vice versa. Anyway, Munroe was a Grunt at the time, and I guess she demonstrated some talents that caught the eye of the Spec-Ops people. Judging by her record and her MOS code—Artillery, Explosives, and Demolitions—I’d say she sounds like a ‘damage-to-property’ kinda gal. I mean, who doesn’t enjoy wrecking gak up with malice and forethought? Most USAriadnan women I know are into that, but Rosie’s taken it to the next level. She doesn’t believe in doing a half-assed job, and if that job is to blow bad guys up, her work will be whole-ass—or even double-ass! That’s the kind of determination we need out there, where our country will find nothing but enemies and monsters.
Captain Roger Van Zant, personnel selection meeting for the third contingent of the AEC (Ariadnan Expeditionary Corps) bound for Paradiso.
Fluff, again, in the spoiler. Not great but not Rosie levels of bad. There's a Mass Effect reference in there though(Nexus-7? Really? )
Spoiler:
Precise plasma fire punches through body armor and reinforced tissue underneath. Internal organs explode. His enemies may belong to strange species, they may even be technologically enhanced, but each body is a biological machine with its own internal logic, and Kerr-Nau’s knowledge of comparative anatomy is comprehensive. He knows where to aim, what to punch. Any who withstand his Umbra training inevitably fall when their brains are fried out by the white-hot daggers of cyberagony.
Excerpt from the Chronicles of the Onyx Contact Force, a record of their activity intended for research and further glory of the Ur Hegemony cultural patrimony.
After more than a decade in the Nexus-7, the best of the best of the Onyx Contact Force, Kerr-Nau has seen it all: every doomsday device, every terrible atrocity a spacefaring civilization might contrive when pushed to the brink of survival. And he’s seen them all fall through, time and time again, when tested against the Combined Army. He’s seen those civilizations fail to avert their own extinction, an inevitability once they made the mistake of attacking the representatives of the Ur Hegemony. So, when they stationed him on this new front, in some place called Paradiso, Kerr-Nau didn’t flinch. He hadn’t heard of this race, these ‘humans’, but it didn’t make a difference. If they put up any resistance, it would fail. Kerr-Nau already knows how the conflict will end, and he is determined to be the agent of that preordained conclusion. It has happened before; it will happen again. He is one of a select few specially chosen by the EI to wipe the weak off the face of existence. He is among the most dangerous individuals in the entire Combined Army, and whosoever stands in his path has their seconds numbered.
Immediately checked that Double Trouble and Breaker ammo types are standard, so no busted hacking shenanigans combined with the Unidron Deflector. BS15 B4 Plasma, 0SWC very optimized profile for aggressive Unidron links, which is my jam. With the inclusion of White Noise, they've basically removed the only unique ability that Umbra Legates offered to Unidron links. Not that the Legate profile was any good in the first place.
Rosies aight, if she can only link with Grunts I can think of better ways to spend 22 pts. If she can link with Marauders, she'd be real good with her matching skill set.
“After more than a decade in the Nexus-7, the best of the best of the Onyx Contact Force, Kerr-Nau has seen it all: every doomsday device, every terrible atrocity a spacefaring civilization might contrive when pushed to the brink of survival. And he’s seen them all fall through, time and time again, when tested against the Combined Army. He’s seen those civilizations fail to avert their own extinction, an inevitability once they made the mistake of attacking the representatives of the Ur Hegemony. ”
Yes, but has he seen attack ships on fire off the shoulder or Orion?
Has he watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate?
Rosies aight, if she can only link with Grunts I can think of better ways to spend 22 pts. If she can link with Marauders, she'd be real good with her matching skill set.
Forward Deployment profiles usually can't be Linked.
Bladerunner2019 wrote:“After more than a decade in the Nexus-7, the best of the best of the Onyx Contact Force, Kerr-Nau has seen it all: every doomsday device, every terrible atrocity a spacefaring civilization might contrive when pushed to the brink of survival. And he’s seen them all fall through, time and time again, when tested against the Combined Army. He’s seen those civilizations fail to avert their own extinction, an inevitability once they made the mistake of attacking the representatives of the Ur Hegemony. ”
Yes, but has he seen attack ships on fire off the shoulder or Orion?
Has he watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate?
It's a reference to the N7 program for Mass Effect. The "best of the best" part.
Rosies aight, if she can only link with Grunts I can think of better ways to spend 22 pts. If she can link with Marauders, she'd be real good with her matching skill set.
Forward Deployment profiles usually can't be Linked.
Which is why she'd be more useful if she linked into Marauders which have a Forward Deploying Haris and Core Fireteam.
Rosies aight, if she can only link with Grunts I can think of better ways to spend 22 pts. If she can link with Marauders, she'd be real good with her matching skill set.
Forward Deployment profiles usually can't be Linked.
Which is why she'd be more useful if she linked into Marauders which have a Forward Deploying Haris and Core Fireteam.
Which isn't going to happen, since she's a Dire Foes SpecOps...
Marauders can't be chosen as the basis for a SpecOps. Grunts can be.
In all truths, the only thing that she's "useful" for is another source of D-Charges and her Specialist Operatives trait. I'd rather they have given us something actually different and interesting; this is just a rejigged Grunt with Light Shotgun and HFT effectively.
Also the constant need of CB to try and show that "Look! We know your history better than you do!" is becoming (as if it was really possible...) even more grating than it was before.
Tuff Gurl or Tuff Grrl? Meh. It's the usual cringeworthy prose. Rivets though, in space. Nope, not for another 38,000 years anyway. Rosie's profile is still nicer than Bipandra's. Just sayin'
Bladerunner2019 wrote: “After more than a decade in the Nexus-7, the best of the best of the Onyx Contact Force, Kerr-Nau has seen it all: every doomsday device, every terrible atrocity a spacefaring civilization might contrive when pushed to the brink of survival. And he’s seen them all fall through, time and time again, when tested against the Combined Army. He’s seen those civilizations fail to avert their own extinction, an inevitability once they made the mistake of attacking the representatives of the Ur Hegemony. ”
Yes, but has he seen attack ships on fire off the shoulder or Orion?
Has he watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate?
Alpharius wrote: Probably not, because otherwise it would be...time to die?
And all his memories would be washed away like... Well, like those of a Nexus-6 with A level Physical and A level Mental.
Still one of greatest Sci-Fi movies. Whichever version, or versions you see. Except the re-make/sequel.
I see no problem with Rosie's profile, the LRL is a particular favourite weapon of mine and getting it in a Grunt fireteam, with the ability to deploy inside it's sweet range band while still benefiting from the +1B and +3BS is great.
Her whole statline screams datatracker, so she fills a slot even when you're running a Marauder/Minuteman Link. Shock immune and dogged (god it'd be nice to have NWI...) means she's likely to survive through the first round of bad luck and still achieve whatever you're sending her to do.
I was just hoping to pick up just Rosie for cheap from Shae Konnit, but that Nexus-7 is going to be a must-have for Onyx. Kinda silly to give him that profile when they JUST got Bit & Kiss, I guess CB had to give him such a great profile to compete with them?
I wonder if CB will splinter the JSA into two sectorials, one being the Yu Jing subordinate JSA and one being a Druze-like independent faction with their own unique toys.
This is what I keep hoping for Morats.
The Morats love fighting, though, and the CA loves fighting.
If anything, I'd expect the sneaky and Survive-at-all-costs Shasvasti to defect.
Morats don't actually like the EI though. Its stated multiple times that they submitted to the EI because they felt like it couldn't be defeated, but that they will betray it at the first sign of weakness. Its a core part of their fluff, which has always suggested to me that a defection or rebellion might one day happen. I could see a Morat Separation Force as a standalone army, spurred by Combined Army defeats in the Human Sphere. I think that would be really interesting and allow Morats to grow a little bit on their own while Combined Army goes in other interesting directions with Nexus, Umbra, Sygmaa and other races.
Why on earth has CB done nothing to update the remotes? The basic remotes are woefully outdated & the 2nd gen ones aren’t much better by current standards.
Seems like some easy fixes to phase out fugly old minis. The game really doesn’t need more expansion of profiles/minis & that would be a great many months of releases.
Why on earth has CB done nothing to update the remotes? The basic remotes are woefully outdated & the 2nd gen ones aren’t much better by current standards.
Seems like some easy fixes to phase out fugly old minis. The game really doesn’t need more expansion of profiles/minis & that would be a great many months of releases.
Depends on who you ask.
There's a certain section who will tell you that they're "just fine". Anyone else will likely tell you that it's because CB is really out of their depth when it comes to making their own unique designs.
Another thing to factor in as well is who sculpted them. If they were done by one specific individual, he apparently "doesn't allow" anyone else to resculpt his stuff. It's why we have the garbage Machinist sculpt still.
Pano REMs are great, IMO. Aleph's look like shopping trollies and Yu Jing's are eugh. Having just started Yu Jing I'd very much appreciate new sculpts.
Funny enouph I like how Yu Jing basic REMs stood the test of time, I think everyone has their own perception on what design looks ok by the current standard.
Regardless all remotes were designed by the same sculptor (same with all old TAGs) because he could deliver the smooth surfaces it was required in record time that is not the issue these days and work is much more widely distributed among sculptors.
Now why Machinist is fugly? I get the wrench as a nano fabricator tool was an odd decision, but other than that the model is solid.
I like the Nomad REMs overall. It's funny to see how the original designs bleed into the Zondbots and the Lizard. The new ones are better and probably could be better still, but I'm not sure what REMs should really look like in the modern game. I'd LOVE to have a set without fragile little fins though.
Another thing to factor in as well is who sculpted them. If they were done by one specific individual, he apparently "doesn't allow" anyone else to resculpt his stuff. It's why we have the garbage Machinist sculpt still.
I'd heard he based the look on himself or someone he knows, and that's why we're still stuck with it.
Speaking of, it seems to be widely accepted now that the big reveal will be a JSA / Yu Jing split. I'm wondering, as someone who just invested in a decently sized YJ force, if the existing JSA units will conitnue to be allowed in the YJ force.
It is was just an unaffiliated Sectorial I don't think it would be as big as they are pushing it.
I would love to see JSA go into NA2 to represent the defecting forces, hopefully with a couple of new units and then have Yu Jing with more of their HI shenanigans and authoritative beatings.
Hard to trust your Ninja and Shikami etc when they could be not-so-secretly traitors to the cause...but on the plus side, sooooo many new Kuang Shi.
My question is, if we are seeing a JSA split, can we finally get some more TAGs for the "we-love-our-mecha" faction?
(and what happens to to O'Yoroi?)
Automatically Appended Next Post: Looking at the new releases in light of the rumours, the Shikami's colour scheme is completely different from the previous one.
Mark 1 - Yu Jing Teal and Orange
Mark 2 - JSA Red and White
One of the warcors leaked that theres a JSA Army box coming along the same lines as the USA one, in that it includes terrain and stuff. There was a screenshot of the contents but it's been pulled already.
Micky wrote: One of the warcors leaked that theres a JSA Army box coming along the same lines as the USA one, in that it includes terrain and stuff. There was a screenshot of the contents but it's been pulled already.
Joke's on them. It got saved, and is even still on their forums.
[Edit]Andrew says the image link isn't working anymore. Placed it in spoilers--maybe it is maybe it isn't?
Spoiler:
3x Keisotsu Butai
2x Ryuken Unit-9(new unit)
1x Kempeitai
1x Daiyokai Dengekitai(new unit)
1x Oniwaban
1x Kuge Delegate(new unit)
1x Kuroshi Rider, Aragato Senkenbutai Riku-Gun-Shoi(what is with these names?! new unit)
1x Tablero Juego (Papel)--no clue what that is; guessing playmap or something.
3x Dados JSA--this would be the dice.
1x Kurage Station Scenery Pack
1x Regla
Marcadores y plantillas--again no clue what this is.
The picture has a few units looking like two members of the Ghost in the Shell team(Major as a SpecOps looking operative in black with a visor pushed up on her head and Batou--some are pointing out this is likely the "Unit 9"), a massive S5 HI who looks like he's the Sniper Shot from today, a new Biker with a cat-eared helmet(...) and holding a polearm, a Kempeitai, a white armored female with a combi rifle that looks different to a Keisotsu.
smurfORnot wrote: So what price can we expect for rest of people, 100€? More?
Whatever the price of the USARF Army Pack most likely.
As that is what this looks like; not a repacked thing.
At the very least it seems like they learned from the USARF Army Pack. The 5 current items(Keisotsu Butai, Kempeitai, and Oniwaban) can be right around 90 points to start with.
That leaves the remaining 5 items to be priced/pointed. Kuge Delegate, someone elsewhere has pointed out, implies it is someone sent from the Imperial Court(Yu Jing or Japanese is unknown) as an observer/well, delegate. Ryuken Unit-9 seems to be the two GITS 'tribute' characters, Daiyokai Dengekitai seems to be the S5 HI, and the Kuroshi Rider is the biker with the cat-eared helmet.
Alpharius wrote: What exactly does the "Warcors Exclusive Product" mean?
(I mean, other than 'leak image early without permission'!)
Is it just the price that's 'exclusive' to Warcors?
Likely the price and the availability. WarCors would need to have the product ahead of the launch date but likely couldn't share/play it until it 'goes loud'.
the kuge delegate refers to imperial court/nobility
so could either be a yu jing imperial person staying around to watch. Or a members of japans nobility is trying to regain autonomy and funding units to oversee the JSA rebellion.
Well this makes me, as a JSA player, quite happy. I can understand some people being upset about the leak but CB tends to drag out teasers too long to the point I loose interest. If the plan was an Adepticon reveal then I'm happy this leaked now instead of CB slowly teasing for another 5 weeks.
Edit: Also Kuge is a word for a Japanese Aristocrat. So I'm going with HVT.
The Infinite wrote:"Delegate" sounds too much like "HVT" to me to believe it has a profile.
Monkeysloth wrote: Edit: Also Kuge is a word for a Japanese Aristocrat. So I'm going with HVT.
The thing is that if it's an Army Pack ala the USARF one(which all signs point to--10 models, probably around 200-300 points)? There's no "HVT" that was in there. Not a single model in that pack wasn't a pointed profile. The Maverick that was included(Boarding Shotgun) also included the Dismounted version as a "limited time"(it was supposed to be a 'preorder bonus' but was basically just in the first few runs of the box) thing.
Now, it might be an HVT as a 'preorder bonus'...but it might also be an actual unit that's going to get stats like the Tohaa Diplomatic Delegate or Voronin.
Well this makes me, as a JSA player, quite happy. I can understand some people being upset about the leak but CB tends to drag out teasers too long to the point I loose interest. If the plan was an Adepticon reveal then I'm happy this leaked now instead of CB slowly teasing for another 5 weeks.
Absolutely. They have no concept of the idea of 'strike while the iron is hot'. It's like GW with Death Guard; they previewed them what 6-7 months out? It just becomes pointless "neiner neiner"-y.
If they'd been, say, teasing lore and dossiers for the new profiles? I think that would have been cool.
Kanluwen wrote: The thing is that if it's an Army Pack ala the USARF one(which all signs point to--10 models, probably around 200-300 points)?
There's no "HVT" that was in there. Not a single model in that pack wasn't a pointed profile.
The Maverick that was included(Boarding Shotgun) also included the Dismounted version as a "limited time"(it was supposed to be a 'preorder bonus' but was basically just in the first few runs of the box) thing.
Now, it might be an HVT as a 'preorder bonus'...but it might also be an actual unit that's going to get stats like the Tohaa Diplomatic Delegate or Voronin.
Possibly, but given the points elsewhere, to round out a starter, it'd have to cost ~35 points. That's basically a Morat "Delegate" at that point (and a Spitfire wielding one at that!).
I'm inclined to believe HVT or 5-point Beyoncé-Mk.2 as a preorder bonus, especially if the Ryuken Unit-9 are named character MI at ~20-25 points and the Biker is ~30 points. That leaves ~40 points for a S5 (which is probably double discounted with fury/impetuous in addition to its size)
Kanluwen wrote: The thing is that if it's an Army Pack ala the USARF one(which all signs point to--10 models, probably around 200-300 points)?
There's no "HVT" that was in there. Not a single model in that pack wasn't a pointed profile.
The Maverick that was included(Boarding Shotgun) also included the Dismounted version as a "limited time"(it was supposed to be a 'preorder bonus' but was basically just in the first few runs of the box) thing.
Now, it might be an HVT as a 'preorder bonus'...but it might also be an actual unit that's going to get stats like the Tohaa Diplomatic Delegate or Voronin.
Possibly, but given the points elsewhere, to round out a starter, it'd have to cost ~35 points.
It doesn't "have" to be anything. The points on starters are wildly variable if we're going to be honest.
USARF: 90 pts(without taking any FOs or anything special)
Nomad(vanilla): 132(same restrictions)
PanO(vanilla): 126(same)
etc
etc
That's basically a Morat "Delegate" at that point (and a Spitfire wielding one at that!).
I'm inclined to believe HVT or 5-point Beyoncé-Mk.2 as a preorder bonus, especially if the Ryuken Unit-9 are named character MI at ~20-25 points and the Biker is ~30 points. That leaves ~40 points for a S5 (which is probably double discounted with fury/impetuous in addition to its size)
Like I said, my speculation is centered around the fact that nothing in the only real army pack we saw before included nothing that couldn't be used for gaming(they continually suggested the dismounted Maverick be used as another FO Foxtrot) or that would effectively be a "dummy prize".
I don't think the Ryuken Unit-9 are going to be named, but they might be. I do think the Biker is going to be--just because of the ranking it has as well. I think that might be the 'special' model for the boxed set, since it would be a better example of a special boxed set model to discourage multiple discounted boxes being bought to bulk out an army(something that CB seems to have as their aims--"starter products are for starting, not for building armies!") quickly.
LunarSol wrote: The biker is Celty from Durarara!! for what its worth.
Super, super excited about this. JSA has been brewing in my collection for a while now and I just needed a little push to make it a painting priority.
Good thing you've bought some of those shiny new Shikami, RIGHT?!
List of 'safe' buys for the time being: Domaru Butai box JSA Support Pack(the sculpts in there were new barring the helper bots) Shikami 'Neko' character Domaru Raiden with HRL
The Infinite wrote:"Delegate" sounds too much like "HVT" to me to believe it has a profile.
Monkeysloth wrote:
Edit: Also Kuge is a word for a Japanese Aristocrat. So I'm going with HVT.
The thing is that if it's an Army Pack ala the USARF one(which all signs point to--10 models, probably around 200-300 points)?
There's no "HVT" that was in there. Not a single model in that pack wasn't a pointed profile.
The Maverick that was included(Boarding Shotgun) also included the Dismounted version as a "limited time"(it was supposed to be a 'preorder bonus' but was basically just in the first few runs of the box) thing.
Now, it might be an HVT as a 'preorder bonus'...but it might also be an actual unit that's going to get stats like the Tohaa Diplomatic Delegate or Voronin.
Could be. I'm still leaning for HVT via pre-order but I wouldn't mind a 2-5pt filler figure as the game needs more of those.
Well this makes me, as a JSA player, quite happy. I can understand some people being upset about the leak but CB tends to drag out teasers too long to the point I loose interest. If the plan was an Adepticon reveal then I'm happy this leaked now instead of CB slowly teasing for another 5 weeks.
Absolutely. They have no concept of the idea of 'strike while the iron is hot'. It's like GW with Death Guard; they previewed them what 6-7 months out? It just becomes pointless "neiner neiner"-y.
If they'd been, say, teasing lore and dossiers for the new profiles? I think that would have been cool.
According to some Warcors on Facebook the review was supposed to be "soon" but to CB that could be anywhere from next week to 4 weeks.
Also CB complained to some affluent warcors that this leak upsets them as, and I quote, "CB sees these leaks as directly and negatively impacting their sales" which makes me really worry about CB's business acumen.
Looking at that pic, I bet the biker will be out of scale with the eight I already have. Not to mention I bet that helmet doesn't do her fuel consumption any favours.
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Kanluwen wrote: List of 'safe' buys for the time being:
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JSA Support Pack(the sculpts in there were new barring the helper bots)
The female one was new - came out around the release of N3 - but the bloke is older. Both of 'em are scaled to the smaller 2nd edition minis, but I don't suppose they're on the priority list for a resculpt.
Could be. I'm still leaning for HVT via pre-order but I wouldn't mind a 2-5pt filler figure as the game needs more of those.
Like I said; I'm just not thinking that a HVT is in the cards but some kind of cheap-ish order generating model or 'buffing' figure might be in there(A Strategos L1 or something).
According to some Warcors on Facebook the review was supposed to be "soon" but to CB that could be anywhere from next week to 4 weeks.
Also CB complained to some affluent warcors that this leak upsets them as, and I quote, "CB sees these leaks as directly and negatively impacting their sales" which makes me really worry about CB's business acumen.
This is a thing I've long been concerned about, privately, with them. They know that their insistence on not redoing whole lines means that people are (gasp) actually informed that reworks either:
A) Aren't coming
B) Not a priority
C) Coming later down the line
In the case of A or B, it has a 50/50 chance of completely turning someone off of a faction or making them lose interest in that faction. It also has a 50/50 chance of making someone shrug and just dive in headlong.
With C, people save up money or just don't bother with anything new until it gets redone.
I've harped on this so many times before that I was reluctant to bring it up here, but with Corregidor? I had zero interest in running it until we were told that it was going to be the start of a relaunched, revamped, consistent looking range.
Before I had it confirmed to me that CJC was going to be a consistent range, I spent $0 on Corregidor stuff. I had tried some time before to make a Bakunin list that had Moderators, Zeros, and Prowlers...but it turned into a disjointed mess thanks to the simple fact that the range wasn't great at the time.
When I had Corregidor confirmed into a consistent range for me? I was in. I bought 2 CJC starters, Wildcat with Spitfire, the Iguana, revamped Support Pack, the Tomcat blisters, all 3 of the Hellcats, the original Intruder with MSR resculpt blister(the one where he's got his pistol aimed down like he's going to execute someone or he's taunting them), the Tsyklon Sputniks, two boxes of Geckos so I could have 2 Mark-12s(sold the 2x Combis to a local player)...
Then Icestorm happened and pretty much everyone knows the rest. I got burned. I don't go in like that anymore on anything from CB until at least half the range is out.
See I'm a person that doesn't even care about resculpts 90% of the time as I don't care about mixing old and new but the very fact that they think that a leak about a revamp of the army that they've been teasing for 3 weeks is going to hurt sales is dumbfounding to me as that means:
1) they actually think that this and not teasing the army will lower sales of existing sculpts when everyone knows they're teasing resculpts
2) That the leak happening, at the earliest, one week before the reveal would actually lower sales of the new product as it's not an Apple "here's a new product that you can pre-order now" moment.
I think both of those support your complaints Kan about some people waiting to buy anything but their logic to get to my concerns really shows they're game designers first and business people 4th.
Timing hype and release certainly matters. People love their impulse buys after all and given a week with no way to offload their cash, can start making unfortunately rational decisions. It probably won't matter significantly, but I can certainly see how someone whose job it is to set up all the dominoes to maximize sales would get upset when someone knocks half of them over. Like it or not, people are way more predictable than we like to believe and marketing research is frighteningly accurate.
LunarSol wrote: Timing hype and release certainly matters. People love their impulse buys after all and given a week with no way to offload their cash, can start making unfortunately rational decisions. It probably won't matter significantly, but I can certainly see how someone whose job it is to set up all the dominoes to maximize sales would get upset when someone knocks half of them over. Like it or not, people are way more predictable than we like to believe and marketing research is frighteningly accurate.
Sadly true but what did CB expect when they trusted information with a large group of volunteers where a decent number of them actually don't do anything they're supposed to but reap benifits anyway. Don't give said volunteers information you don't want in the general public as they don't have any loyalty to CB.
NoggintheNog wrote: Would the problem they see not be revealing the army, but showing a warcore price of €75, when it will retail for €100?
I guess most people know they get it cheaper, but it could still be something they would try to avoid being show like this.
The "problem" (in their minds at least) likely is that the old Japanese Sectorial Army starter, Oniwaban, Kempeitai, and Keisotsu Butai are still on sale.
NoggintheNog wrote: Would the problem they see not be revealing the army, but showing a warcore price of €75, when it will retail for €100?
I guess most people know they get it cheaper, but it could still be something they would try to avoid being show like this.
The "problem" (in their minds at least) likely is that the old Japanese Sectorial Army starter, Oniwaban, Kempeitai, and Keisotsu Butai are still on sale.
And it's a faction that sells very well from what we've been told.
It is a popular faction, but in a game with strong anime influences how is this surprising?
The minis:
3x Keisotsu Butai
1x Kempeitai
1x Kuroshi Rider, Aragato Senkenbutai Riku-Gun-Shoi (new unit)
2x Ryuken Unit-9 (new unit)
1xDaiyokai Dengekitai (new unit)
1x Kuge Delegate (new unit)
1x Oniwaban
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10 minis. And the pre-order mini is?
The rest of the items:
1x Tablero Juego (Papel)--paper play mat.
3x Dados JSA--Dice
1x Kurage Station Scenery Pack
1x Regla --rules
Marcadores y plantillas--markers and templates
The Oniwaban is the only thing not shown in that illustration. I have no idea which is the Kuge and which is the Daiyokai. I'd guess the Daiyokai is the HI in the back and the Kuge is the hacker. A HVT would be the likely LE mini, but also, possibly, a dismounted Cat Biker, a Kuroshi rider.
A nice looking army box. However, I have 65 Infinity mins that are just primed, so no new stuff for me until I reduce the pile o' shame to less shameful levels. And I don't want to start another sectorial. I have 300 points of Yu Jing. That's enough.
It doesn't "have" to be anything. The points on starters are wildly variable if we're going to be honest.
USARF: 90 pts(without taking any FOs or anything special)
Nomad(vanilla): 132(same restrictions)
PanO(vanilla): 126(same)
etc
etc
No they really aren't, and it's disingenuous to suggest otherwise.
The average points for all starters is 133.9
The two biggest outliers are USARF at 90 points and NCA at 223.
Fourteen of the starters are within half a standard deviation of the mean, five are below it and four are above it.
It's quite clear that CB aim for about 130 points in a starter where they can, so we can take that value as a baseline.
Like I said, my speculation is centered around the fact that nothing in the only real army pack we saw before included nothing that couldn't be used for gaming(they continually suggested the dismounted Maverick be used as another FO Foxtrot) or that would effectively be a "dummy prize".
I don't think the Ryuken Unit-9 are going to be named, but they might be. I do think the Biker is going to be--just because of the ranking it has as well. I think that might be the 'special' model for the boxed set, since it would be a better example of a special boxed set model to discourage multiple discounted boxes being bought to bulk out an army(something that CB seems to have as their aims--"starter products are for starting, not for building armies!") quickly.
I take your point about the USARF army box, but that doesn't stop the Kuga from being a Beyonce-Mk.2 or possibly even a Voronin-esq Stratego/Advanced Command/Inspiring Presence buff bot LT on a non-combat frame and double as a JSA HVT, I guess I'll just have to wait and see what else is leaked.
I'm hoping the Ryuken are named characters, given how awesome the Major and Batou are it seems a waste to just have their likenesses.
The more I think about it, the more likely I think the biker is the box exclusive, with the Kuga the preorder exclusive. The Ryuken, depending on loadout could be fleshed out with one more release (Haris option) or a SWC box if they warrant it.
kinda wondering if Kuge Delegate is more along the lines of an imperial agent, as in, a soldier loyal to a given aristocrat, rather than an actual government delegate.
Or maybe its something ridiculous like a CSU-ish geisha.
LunarSol wrote: The biker is Celty from Durarara!! for what its worth.
it's also VERY close to a Robotech/MOSPEADA CVR-3 Cyclone armor helmet (sans the cat-ears), not a good enough pic of the bike to tell if it's the same as the old Aragato ones. Now I want a transforming Kuroshi Rider profile that turns from a bike into a HI, like the Su-Jian dual profile. No reason whatsoever to think it'll be a transforming motorcycle, pure wishlisting on my part. But seriously, how awesome would that be?**
Absolutely. They have no concept of the idea of 'strike while the iron is hot'. It's like GW with Death Guard; they previewed them what 6-7 months out? It just becomes pointless "neiner neiner"-y.
If they'd been, say, teasing lore and dossiers for the new profiles? I think that would have been cool
Yeah, I've long learned to curb too much enthusiasm for CB previews, leak or not. Even stuff that's got a full digital render is a few months out by the time it gets produced, released and finally shipped overseas. Fortunately, CB does sometimes keep these major things secret until right before it gets a release, hopefully this is one of those times because if JSA is just part of their normal release schedule it won't matter if it's 5 weeks early. Not much difference between waiting 6 months and 7
It doesn't "have" to be anything. The points on starters are wildly variable if we're going to be honest.
USARF: 90 pts(without taking any FOs or anything special)
Nomad(vanilla): 132(same restrictions)
PanO(vanilla): 126(same)
etc
etc
No they really aren't, and it's disingenuous to suggest otherwise.
The average points for all starters is 133.9
The two biggest outliers are USARF at 90 points and NCA at 223.
Fourteen of the starters are within half a standard deviation of the mean, five are below it and four are above it.
It's quite clear that CB aim for about 130 points in a starter where they can, so we can take that value as a baseline.
NCA was pre-Icestorm. It was pre-N3 even.
Starting with Icestorm and looking at, primarily, the stuff designed around then:
PanO: 1.5 SWC 126 pts
Nomads: 1.5 SWC 132pts
Combined Army: 2.5 SWC 150pts(you have to play fast and loose with this one to add a Hacker OR a Lt option--otherwise it ends up being quite in the 130ish range)
USARF: 0SWC 90 pts, as mentioned
Yu Jing Imperial Service: 3.5SWC 150pts*
Yu Jing: 2.5 SWC 158pts
Haqqislam: .5 SWC 135pts
Hassassin Bahram: .5SWC 108pts
Shock Army of Aconticemento: 5SWC 150pts(can't be played)*
Bakunin: 3SWC and 130pts(being generous here since the Morlock is just wielding an APCCW)*
Caledonia: 0SWC 125 pts(with a mandatory upgraded Volunteer to Medic and being padded out with T2 Rifles)
Exact timeframes aren't necessarily accurate; these are just the ones I'm certain were post-N3.
So yeah, we've got a few that are around the 130 point mark...and we've got quite a few that aren't.
Micky wrote: Are we getting back on that old "they shouldnt be called starter packs" argument again?
No, because there's never really been that big of an argument over it.
Simply put: There is no real rhyme or reason behind what happens with these boxes aside from they have 6 models.
Most of these boxes will contain 3 of the factions Ava Total unit, armed with its basic weapon. We're starting to see exceptions here though.
SAA is an exception in this regards as it has 2 Rifles and 2 specialist weapons. Bakunin is an exception since it only has 2 Moderators. Bahram is an exception since one of the models requires you to field it as a specialized profile. Caledonia is an exception since it has one of the Volunteers rocking the Medic profile.
Most of these boxes will contain one specialized troop type that is supposed to be emblematic of that faction/Sectorial.
Most of the boxes aren't exceedingly crowded on Special Weapons Cost.
LunarSol wrote: Timing hype and release certainly matters. People love their impulse buys after all and given a week with no way to offload their cash, can start making unfortunately rational decisions. It probably won't matter significantly, but I can certainly see how someone whose job it is to set up all the dominoes to maximize sales would get upset when someone knocks half of them over. Like it or not, people are way more predictable than we like to believe and marketing research is frighteningly accurate.
Sadly true but what did CB expect when they trusted information with a large group of volunteers where a decent number of them actually don't do anything they're supposed to but reap benifits anyway. Don't give said volunteers information you don't want in the general public as they don't have any loyalty to CB.
I was a Warcor form day 1 until last August. You're right that a lot of Warcors don't do anything. But what benefits do you think they're "reaping"? Aside from access to the Warcor only forum thread (which is just awful, even more so than the normal forum) the only real benefit Warcors get is once a year being able to pre-order releases like this. Yes, we got an okay discount, but we also had to pay ridiculously high shipping costs, which totally offset the discount. What that meant was often we would get our set a few weeks ahead of everyone else (although sometimes it was only a week or two), but we'd often end up paying more, especially compared to people who ordered through sites or stores offering a discount. So it wasn't actually a huge benefit.
Warcors would SOMETIMES learn about new releases a few days before everyone else, but it was much more common for the info to show up from other sources. I don't know how many times we'd all show up to the Warcor forum and saying "hey, my local players are saying that they saw pics of the new XXXXXX on some site. Anyone know about this?" Even when we got official previews, it was often the same day as the public preview.
Other benefits? Umm... you could order a t-shirt and an exclusive version of the Warcor model with a different head. You had to pay for both, and shipping was stupidly expensive, as I said before. Oh, we did get a discount on tournament packs, but again, shipping made them super expensive. It was cheaper to just ask the local store to order them at full price.
Maybe things have changed in the last few months? I don't know. But for the years I was involved there wasn't a lot of benefit And while some people did just sign up and do nothing, a lot of us worked super hard to keep the game alive and build player bases in our towns.
LunarSol wrote: Timing hype and release certainly matters. People love their impulse buys after all and given a week with no way to offload their cash, can start making unfortunately rational decisions. It probably won't matter significantly, but I can certainly see how someone whose job it is to set up all the dominoes to maximize sales would get upset when someone knocks half of them over. Like it or not, people are way more predictable than we like to believe and marketing research is frighteningly accurate.
Sadly true but what did CB expect when they trusted information with a large group of volunteers where a decent number of them actually don't do anything they're supposed to but reap benifits anyway. Don't give said volunteers information you don't want in the general public as they don't have any loyalty to CB.
I was a Warcor form day 1 until last August. You're right that a lot of Warcors don't do anything. But what benefits do you think they're "reaping"? Aside from access to the Warcor only forum thread (which is just awful, even more so than the normal forum) the only real benefit Warcors get is once a year being able to pre-order releases like this. Yes, we got an okay discount, but we also had to pay ridiculously high shipping costs, which totally offset the discount. What that meant was often we would get our set a few weeks ahead of everyone else (although sometimes it was only a week or two), but we'd often end up paying more, especially compared to people who ordered through sites or stores offering a discount. So it wasn't actually a huge benefit.
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I was mostly being facetious as people elsewhere have been treating this leak as the "end of the warcore" due to how huge a betrayal this is what with everything CB "does for them". There's not really an eye roll orkmoticon so the sarcasm got lost. CB would be really dumb to get rid of their free advertising corp.
I found certain Warcors to be very,very irritating with their "I know something you don't know" attitude. Not you Jake. But you knew that. And certain other WarCors, the iN-crowd types, exhibited a certain condescension for other Infinity players. To be fair, they were that way before there was a WarCor program.
Considering these sorts seem to have nearly vanished from the regular forums, and probably hang out exclusively in the WarCor forum, I completely believe you that it is just awful.
The Warcors local to me ran tournaments, and the new ones still do. They also involve themselves in some large tournaments too. They at least do something. Plus, they're not iN-crowders.
It was a Spanish WarCor who leaked this, or someone who was viewing the Spanish language store. This assumes that CB did not leak it themselves to get the hype train moving.. The timing of this leak, like a few others, is a bit too convenient.
The price of the army box is outside of impulse buy range for many so leaking info now allows people to plan for the purchase. Marketers are keenly aware of price point sensitivities too.
I found certain Warcors to be very,very irritating with their "I know something you don't know" attitude. Not you Jake. But you knew that. And certain other WarCors, the iN-crowd types, exhibited a certain condescension for other Infinity players. To be fair, they were that way before there was a WarCor program.
Considering these sorts seem to have nearly vanished from the regular forums, and probably hang out exclusively in the WarCor forum, I completely believe you that it is just awful.
Yeah, it is really unfortunate that so many of the people who were so obnoxious in the regular forum made it into the Warcor program. I love CB as a company and I've had great interactions with many of their employees and many other Warcors, but I also left the program partially because some of the Warcors were absolutely unbearably awful and i just didn't want to participate anymore. But i know some of these real donkey-caves also did a pretty good job with their actual Warcor duties and were an actual benefit to their local playerbase. So I have real mixed feelings about them.
LunarSol wrote: Timing hype and release certainly matters. People love their impulse buys after all and given a week with no way to offload their cash, can start making unfortunately rational decisions. It probably won't matter significantly, but I can certainly see how someone whose job it is to set up all the dominoes to maximize sales would get upset when someone knocks half of them over. Like it or not, people are way more predictable than we like to believe and marketing research is frighteningly accurate.
Sadly true but what did CB expect when they trusted information with a large group of volunteers where a decent number of them actually don't do anything they're supposed to but reap benifits anyway. Don't give said volunteers information you don't want in the general public as they don't have any loyalty to CB.
I was a Warcor form day 1 until last August. You're right that a lot of Warcors don't do anything. But what benefits do you think they're "reaping"? Aside from access to the Warcor only forum thread (which is just awful, even more so than the normal forum) the only real benefit Warcors get is once a year being able to pre-order releases like this. Yes, we got an okay discount, but we also had to pay ridiculously high shipping costs, which totally offset the discount. What that meant was often we would get our set a few weeks ahead of everyone else (although sometimes it was only a week or two), but we'd often end up paying more, especially compared to people who ordered through sites or stores offering a discount. So it wasn't actually a huge benefit.
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I was mostly being facetious as people elsewhere have been treating this leak as the "end of the warcore" due to how huge a betrayal this is what with everything CB "does for them". There's not really an eye roll orkmoticon so the sarcasm got lost. CB would be really dumb to get rid of their free advertising corp.
Gotcha. I thought I'd explain my own experiences since I know sometimes there was a misconception (partially fostered by some Warcors even) that CB was giving us a lot for free stuff and a lot of secret info.
The batou looking guy is definitely a ryuken, says so on his shoulder. That leaves the major to be the delegate or a pilot for the S5 daemon or maybe even the controller of a gsynced daemon. Or maybe daemon in the name refers to ai and they are a pair and jsa gets ghost:jumper.
Henshini wrote: The batou looking guy is definitely a ryuken, says so on his shoulder. That leaves the major to be the delegate or a pilot for the S5 daemon or maybe even the controller of a gsynced daemon. Or maybe daemon in the name refers to ai and they are a pair and jsa gets ghost:jumper.
The Delegate isn't in the box art. The S5 Heavy Infantry isn't related to it.
The 'Major' also has the same pauldron as not-Batou.
Good thing you've bought some of those shiny new Shikami, RIGHT?!
List of 'safe' buys for the time being:
Domaru Butai box
JSA Support Pack(the sculpts in there were new barring the helper bots)
Shikami
'Neko' character Domaru
Raiden with HRL
Sadly, I pretty much own nothing in the realm of modern JSA sculpts. Definitely expecting to rebuy a few things on this one. :(
Kanluwen wrote: I'd imagine that won't be too big of a deal. Provided you keep with the 'safe' buys for the time being. Definitely get those Shikami ASAP.
I don’t follow... why would we want to scoop them up now? You expecting them to discontinue blisters and put them in a box?
Do we really expect JSA to be spun off entirely from Yu Jing? That kind of implies they’ll be getting 2 new sectorials to offset losing JSA.
Do we really expect invincible army and svarlheima sectorials to be fully fleshed out within the immediate future?
Realistically, it doesn't matter how many sectorials a faction has. They are, mechanically, completely separate factions that have some overlapping options in the model pool.
Kanluwen wrote: I'd imagine that won't be too big of a deal. Provided you keep with the 'safe' buys for the time being. Definitely get those Shikami ASAP.
I don’t follow... why would we want to scoop them up now? You expecting them to discontinue blisters and put them in a box?
Because the really popular, fairly cool and new stuff tends to go out of stock when Infinity Week hits. Given that the blisters allow for you to build 8 unique Shikami(2 different arm options per model and 2 different head options) between the two, it's also a fairly good buy just for variation's sake. And God help you if the parts are compatible between the two. The new Contender Shikami is basically a must have though. It's the model that is intended to be your "Duo" profile.
I would be 100% surprised if CB didn't try to plug the hell out of the Shikami during Infinity Week. Trying to make sure anyone who wants them gets them now so as to avoid disappointment later.
Do we really expect JSA to be spun off entirely from Yu Jing? That kind of implies they’ll be getting 2 new sectorials to offset losing JSA.
Do we really expect invincible army and svarlheima sectorials to be fully fleshed out within the immediate future?
Invincible Army is, as far as reports go, 'fairly close'.
Svalarheima isn't. It's going to be finished when finished, same as the PanO version(both of which were slated to be in the same book way back when but who the hell knows now).
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LunarSol wrote: Infinity is definitely not a game where rebuys are a huge deal; particularly if you're talking a sectoral and not a faction.
I feel like this is a yes/no. For some people it's not a huge deal--especially if there's a lengthy swathe of time between the two and the original product clearly hasn't aged well.
Kanluwen wrote: I'd imagine that won't be too big of a deal. Provided you keep with the 'safe' buys for the time being. Definitely get those Shikami ASAP.
I don’t follow... why would we want to scoop them up now? You expecting them to discontinue blisters and put them in a box?
Because the really popular, fairly cool and new stuff tends to go out of stock when Infinity Week hits. Given that the blisters allow for you to build 8 unique Shikami(2 different arm options per model and 2 different head options) between the two, it's also a fairly good buy just for variation's sake. And God help you if the parts are compatible between the two. The new Contender Shikami is basically a must have though. It's the model that is intended to be your "Duo" profile.
I would be 100% surprised if CB didn't try to plug the hell out of the Shikami during Infinity Week. Trying to make sure anyone who wants them gets them now so as to avoid disappointment later.
Do we really expect JSA to be spun off entirely from Yu Jing? That kind of implies they’ll be getting 2 new sectorials to offset losing JSA.
Do we really expect invincible army and svarlheima sectorials to be fully fleshed out within the immediate future?
Invincible Army is, as far as reports go, 'fairly close'.
Svalarheima isn't. It's going to be finished when finished, same as the PanO version(both of which were slated to be in the same book way back when but who the hell knows now).
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LunarSol wrote: Infinity is definitely not a game where rebuys are a huge deal; particularly if you're talking a sectoral and not a faction.
I feel like this is a yes/no. For some people it's not a huge deal--especially if there's a lengthy swathe of time between the two and the original product clearly hasn't aged well.
Wish they had released both together. Getting tired of consolidating older single model blister releases into 2 model blisters.
LunarSol wrote: Realistically, it doesn't matter how many sectorials a faction has. They are, mechanically, completely separate factions that have some overlapping options in the model pool.
That is, of course, not considering the generic army list.
Henshini wrote: The batou looking guy is definitely a ryuken, says so on his shoulder. That leaves the major to be the delegate or a pilot for the S5 daemon or maybe even the controller of a gsynced daemon. Or maybe daemon in the name refers to ai and they are a pair and jsa gets ghost:jumper.
The Delegate isn't in the box art. The S5 Heavy Infantry isn't related to it.
The 'Major' also has the same pauldron as not-Batou.
The designs on those shoulders look nothing alike to me unless you count them both being white designs on red. But it does make sense for them both to be unit/section 9.
Right. One, the 'Major' is a hacker, or at least has a hacker visor ( maybe?), and the other, well its weapon is not seen in the illustration, but I hear that it is a Heavy Rocket Launcher.
Red Harvest wrote: Right. One, the 'Major' is a hacker, or at least has a hacker visor ( maybe?), and the other, well its weapon is not seen in the illustration, but I hear that it is a Heavy Rocket Launcher.
Is the Beasts of War Infinity Week next week?
Unfortunately no infinity profile will capture the badass that is the Major.
Red Harvest wrote: Right. One, the 'Major' is a hacker, or at least has a hacker visor ( maybe?), and the other, well its weapon is not seen in the illustration, but I hear that it is a Heavy Rocket Launcher.
Is the Beasts of War Infinity Week next week?
Unfortunately no infinity profile will capture the badass that is the Major.
A named character Asura for Aleph would capture the Major perfectly, I think. They're basically the same thing.
With the talk of a Vedic sectorial, I expect some resculpted asuras. CB might name one after a cosplayer, Yashia, who cosplayed the asura. they gave her name to an asura in the HSN3 book too. It would be a dire foe, I'd suppose, rather than a regular character.
Well, maybe at the fact that the Svalarheima sectorial is seemingly delayed, again, and I'll have to wait that much longer for Nisses and Jotum link teams...
Shoi is probably 2nd lieutenant (properly Shoui but I can't think of anything else it could be)
riku-gun, might be "6th cadre"
So, that bike rider with the cat (fox?) ears is called "The Black Death" 2nd Lt, Aragato Senkenbutai, 6th cadre.
(I say fox as the "cat" character in JSA is a male while the "fox" character, despite the fluff, is a female, like the rider in the image).
Rigukun simply means "army", for what's worth. The "shoi" part I'm not sure it they're meaning to say "shoui" or "chui", which would be 2nd lieutenant and lieutenant, respectively.
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Kanluwen wrote: Good to know! Any insight on the Daiyokai Dengekitai?
Hm... the "dai" means "great", and it's used when naming organizations. Youkai is a type of spirit/demon. Dengeki usually means "electric shock", whereas "-tai" is a diminutive of "butai", meaning "unit".
LunarSol wrote: Realistically, it doesn't matter how many sectorials a faction has. They are, mechanically, completely separate factions that have some overlapping options in the model pool.
That is, of course, not considering the generic army list.
There's a heavy correlation between "available to a sectorial" and "available to the generic army" but its not a hard and fast rule by any means. Every army has models exclusively available via sectorial and every army has models available to them that are not available to any of their sectorials as well. Personally, I'd be surprised if things like Ninja disappear from YJ with one being part of the Red Veil 300 pt army.
The point is that it doesn't matter in any way what faction JSA is filed under in the army builder. You play it as its own thing no different from any other faction option. The only difference is you already have a chunk of models that work for another faction if you were interested in doing so.
Well, maybe at the fact that the Svalarheima sectorial is seemingly delayed, again, and I'll have to wait that much longer for Nisses and Jotum link teams...
I think he was referring to profiles/options, so expect a feuerbach on a LI/MI/HI before PanO gets one, or REMs in links, or some other thing that they've been clamouring for (or even Monofilament Dropbears!)
Well, maybe at the fact that the Svalarheima sectorial is seemingly delayed, again, and I'll have to wait that much longer for Nisses and Jotum link teams...
I think he was referring to profiles/options, so expect a feuerbach on a LI/MI/HI before PanO gets one, or REMs in links, or some other thing that they've been clamouring for (or even Monofilament Dropbears!)
If we're going to be honest, most PanO players realize they're going to get the shaft. I was the one who initially was suggesting for NCA to get Remotes in Bolt Link Teams along with smaller, multiple Link Teams quite publicly on the Infinity forums before the changeover to the crummy new system.
Wasn't shocked one bit to see the idea get stolen for Druze.
Many PanO players could, at this point, post up rational and well-reasoned arguments as to why they should or should not be given something and it would be dismissed by certain players as "crying" or "whining.
Sadly, many WarCors are those who would be doing the dismissals.
LunarSol wrote:
There's a heavy correlation between "available to a sectorial" and "available to the generic army" but its not a hard and fast rule by any means. Every army has models exclusively available via sectorial and every army has models available to them that are not available to any of their sectorials as well. Personally, I'd be surprised if things like Ninja disappear from YJ with one being part of the Red Veil 300 pt army.
The point is that it doesn't matter in any way what faction JSA is filed under in the army builder. You play it as its own thing no different from any other faction option. The only difference is you already have a chunk of models that work for another faction if you were interested in doing so.
The thing to remember is that a unit like the Ninjas can literally exist in both normal YJ and a JSA renegade faction, since the Ninja "Clans" are a thing that YJ seems to have allowed to continue to exist so they could have deniable operatives. It's like the Bandits and Corregidor; they're a group that effectively could do their own thing but are supplied by the faction as a smokescreen for their own operations.
Alpharius wrote:Just why does CB (allegedly) 'have it in for' PanO players?
Depends on who you ask. Putting it bluntly, it's less that they 'have it in for' PanO players and more they suffer from the fact that CB seems to consider PanO like how they did during their RPG sessions where purportedly PanO were always 'the evil empire' while they played the plucky heroes.
It also seems to be the faction where they have the least designer interest involved so things just kinda...'stay'.
Well, maybe at the fact that the Svalarheima sectorial is seemingly delayed, again, and I'll have to wait that much longer for Nisses and Jotum link teams...
Svalarheima hasn’t been delayed. Varuna has been known to be next for quite a while now.
Well, maybe at the fact that the Svalarheima sectorial is seemingly delayed, again, and I'll have to wait that much longer for Nisses and Jotum link teams...
Svalarheima hasn’t been delayed. Varuna has been known to be next for quite a while now.
This is only technically true.
Svalarheima hasn't been pushed out of its slot in a specific book, certainly, however that book has been pushed back quite a bit.
Well, maybe at the fact that the Svalarheima sectorial is seemingly delayed, again, and I'll have to wait that much longer for Nisses and Jotum link teams...
Svalarheima hasn’t been delayed. Varuna has been known to be next for quite a while now.
This is only technically true.
Svalarheima hasn't been pushed out of its slot in a specific book, certainly, however that book has been pushed back quite a bit.
Okay sure, but no recent developments have pushed it back. It’s been a way off for a long time.
LunarSol wrote:
There's a heavy correlation between "available to a sectorial" and "available to the generic army" but its not a hard and fast rule by any means. Every army has models exclusively available via sectorial and every army has models available to them that are not available to any of their sectorials as well. Personally, I'd be surprised if things like Ninja disappear from YJ with one being part of the Red Veil 300 pt army.
The point is that it doesn't matter in any way what faction JSA is filed under in the army builder. You play it as its own thing no different from any other faction option. The only difference is you already have a chunk of models that work for another faction if you were interested in doing so.
The thing to remember is that a unit like the Ninjas can literally exist in both normal YJ and a JSA renegade faction, since the Ninja "Clans" are a thing that YJ seems to have allowed to continue to exist so they could have deniable operatives. It's like the Bandits and Corregidor; they're a group that effectively could do their own thing but are supplied by the faction as a smokescreen for their own operations.
Alpharius wrote:Just why does CB (allegedly) 'have it in for' PanO players?
Depends on who you ask. Putting it bluntly, it's less that they 'have it in for' PanO players and more they suffer from the fact that CB seems to consider PanO like how they did during their RPG sessions where purportedly PanO were always 'the evil empire' while they played the plucky heroes.
It also seems to be the faction where they have the least designer interest involved so things just kinda...'stay'.
Knight wrote:I don't hope for a sincere answer on that question.
Well, maybe at the fact that the Svalarheima sectorial is seemingly delayed, again, and I'll have to wait that much longer for Nisses and Jotum link teams...
Svalarheima hasn’t been delayed. Varuna has been known to be next for quite a while now.
This is only technically true.
Svalarheima hasn't been pushed out of its slot in a specific book, certainly, however that book has been pushed back quite a bit.
Okay sure, but no recent developments have pushed it back. It’s been a way off for a long time.
...Bwuh?!
N3 pushed it back.
Human Sphere N3 pushed it back.
Paradiso N3(which is where Varuna and the other Sectorials are supposed to be coming in) pushed it back.
Hell, we have a new 'arena fighter' game that came out before the book that was slated to be next.
Yes, absolutely "recent developments have pushed it back".
It also seems to be the faction where they have the least designer interest involved so things just kinda...'stay'.
I think every game has that faction that to the developers is defined by above the curve values in an important stat. Over time though, as new releases get more defined by tricks and special rule after the valid statlines have been explored, that faction starts to feel more defined by its lack of new special rules than the advantages it does have.
It also seems to be the faction where they have the least designer interest involved so things just kinda...'stay'.
I think every game has that faction that to the developers is defined by above the curve values in an important stat. Over time though, as new releases get more defined by tricks and special rule after the valid statlines have been explored, that faction starts to feel more defined by its lack of new special rules than the advantages it does have.
It's important to remember that CB feels that PanO can't have nice things like Smoke Grenades because of their Ballistic Skill 'bonus'.
Never mind that it's basically nonexistent these days...
Red Harvest wrote:I think this business with the Non-Aligned armies is new. It has pushed back completion of other sectorials.
LunarSol wrote: I play nomads. It feels like it exists to me!
But therein lies the rub. If you play 'just' Nomads, you're in a better spot than VanillaO since you have all of your toys. Smoke+MSVs+Hackers=Big Deal when playing against PanO which has...erm...high BS and MSV but no Smoke?
Don't get me wrong; I get it. I also play Khador, which gets ARM 20! but pays for it with no magic weapons or stealth mitigation, or buffs that make everyone else's stuff more than ARM 20 anyway.... (that last bit isn't so relevant in MK3 to be fair)
It also seems to be the faction where they have the least designer interest involved so things just kinda...'stay'.
I think every game has that faction that to the developers is defined by above the curve values in an important stat. Over time though, as new releases get more defined by tricks and special rule after the valid statlines have been explored, that faction starts to feel more defined by its lack of new special rules than the advantages it does have.
It's important to remember that CB feels that PanO can't have nice things like Smoke Grenades because of their Ballistic Skill 'bonus'.
I can't have smoke in Onyx; they get hack bonuses that are even less applicable then +1 BS. Your +1 BS doesn't go to waste just because you're playing against Ariadna. In fact, I'd rather they not hand out Smoke or Eclipse to every faction. Jaguars were a mistake.
If you want to gripe, gripe about how PanO gets shafted in the WIP department forcing players into auto pick choices like Military Order specialists or Tech-Bees. I'd agree with that.
You can get CoC with a SpecOps incidentally. You can't get Smoke Grenades from a SpecOps as PanO.
With that out of the way, I will be extremely surprised if Nomads don't get a CoC model with Tunguska. It's a super points heavy Sectorial so far(KB, Grenzers, Spektrs, Szalamandra, Interventors, Securitate) and LoL would be a Big Deal.
But CB is adamant that they won't give Smoke to PanO because of the BS and MSV availability they have.
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avantgarde wrote: I can't have smoke in Onyx; they get hack bonuses that are even less applicable then +1 BS. Your +1 BS doesn't go to waste just because you're playing against Ariadna. In fact, I'd rather they not hand out Smoke or Eclipse to every faction. Jaguars were a mistake.
Jaguars were a huge mistake but it's not like CJC didn't have Smoke before. McMurrough brought them first, then Lupe(Dire Foes) brought them second.
With that out of the way, Onyx is a Sectorial not a faction. I get what you're saying, I truly do(I personally dislike making the distinction as I feel it's better to consider a Sectorial as its own standalone 'faction') but it's an important distinction to make that while your Sectorial doesn't have it...PanO just plain doesn't have it period.
If you want to gripe, gripe about how PanO gets shafted in the WIP department forcing players into auto pick choices like Military Order specialists or Tech-Bees. I'd agree with that.
And while we're at it, can we talk about the Tech-Bee? WTF was the rationale there? People asked for Engineer on Bolts or even just AVA2 Machinists.
The "WIP penalty" is supposed to be because we have access to high BS models. We have more of those models but we're not the only ones who can get there now.
Red Harvest wrote:
What is the pre-order mini anyway? It's not the CSU-Geisha, er Kuge Delegate.
It's going to be her in all likelihood. USARF Army Pack had 10 models as well--with the tenth being the dismounted Maverick.
Okay, that makes sense. I thought the USARF box was 11. I fail to see how that mini would tick off Pan-O players. The 'Anti-Cultural Appropriation sort' yes, but Pan-O, not.
Red Harvest wrote:
What is the pre-order mini anyway? It's not the CSU-Geisha, er Kuge Delegate.
It's going to be her in all likelihood. USARF Army Pack had 10 models as well--with the tenth being the dismounted Maverick.
Okay, that makes sense. I thought the USARF box was 11. I fail to see how that mini would tick off Pan-O players. The 'Anti-Cultural Appropriation sort' yes, but Pan-O, not.
USARF Army Pack:
Minuteman with 2x LFTs(semi-generic profile--many of them have LFTs available)
Marauder with HFT(generic profile--personally would have preferred a rifle but c'est la vie)
Foxtrot with Rifle(intended to be a FO)
Grunt with Rifle
Grunt with Rifle
Grunt with Rifle
Devil Dog
K9 Antipode
Maverick
Maverick Dismounted(Limited Edition--some places still have this version however)
Realistically, Devil Dog+K9 Antipode and the Maverick both should be counted as 'one' since you can't take one without the other but eh.
Alpharius wrote: Just why does CB (allegedly) 'have it in for' PanO players?
As you can might imagine they do not, PanO is a faction as every other faction and gets developed and receives goodies and slots like every other faction.
Kanluwen I think you do know quite well Aristeia is designed by a different team from Infinity and it does not "push back" Infinity products or release slots, is nothing else it was pushed back because of Infinity.
Red Harvest wrote:
What is the pre-order mini anyway? It's not the CSU-Geisha, er Kuge Delegate.
It's going to be her in all likelihood. USARF Army Pack had 10 models as well--with the tenth being the dismounted Maverick.
Okay, that makes sense. I thought the USARF box was 11. I fail to see how that mini would tick off Pan-O players. The 'Anti-Cultural Appropriation sort' yes, but Pan-O, not.
USARF Army Pack:
Minuteman with 2x LFTs(semi-generic profile--many of them have LFTs available)
Marauder with HFT(generic profile--personally would have preferred a rifle but c'est la vie)
Foxtrot with Rifle(intended to be a FO)
Grunt with Rifle
Grunt with Rifle
Grunt with Rifle
Devil Dog
K9 Antipode
Maverick
Maverick Dismounted(Limited Edition--some places still have this version however)
Realistically, Devil Dog+K9 Antipode and the Maverick both should be counted as 'one' since you can't take one without the other but eh.
With that in mind, wouldn’t be surprised if the exclusive mini is that lady (Celty) on the bike dismounted... that’s the shadow we see in the latest teaser.
PsychoticStorm wrote: Kanluwen I think you do know quite well Aristeia is designed by a different team from Infinity and it does not "push back" Infinity products or release slots, is nothing else it was pushed back because of Infinity.
Di CB hire new staff for or outsource for all of the model design, rules development, art, etc, or did they pull people from their current pool of staff to make the team for Aresteia?
If it's the former, then no, it didn't contribute to pushing back development of Infinity (well it might have still from a management point of view). If it's the latter, it absolutely did. You don't pull people from a project without it impacting that project.
The team that developed the Aristeia are not the same team that develops Infinity, but they do other jobs in CB so work for Infinity pushed Aristeia initial release back.
Infinity was never pushed back because of Aristeia.
You know, I wouldn't be shocked if they did this to the Gabqar Khanate sectorial. Not much about it is known but it doesn't sound a whole lot like Haqqislam military aside from the Halqa. Reimagining it as 'ruffian biker gang sectorial' and divorcing it from Haqqislam proper is a way they could go with it.
To hard to tell really what CB is doing. 50-50 no more Japanese in Vanilla YU. I'm thinking the Ninja will stay as a Merc option and possibly some others.
Be interesting to see, fluff wise, how much of a split there is at part of the delay of the RPG book was for Gutier (SP?) to get the infinity story line down and make sure the fluff in the RPG wasn't outdated by what the core game was going to do.
Definately gotta keep ninjas otherwise Red Veil is stupid, and the ISS list would need to be changed. There's probably some others too, but I'm not myself familiar with the fluff around individual units.
-Loki- wrote: You know, I wouldn't be shocked if they did this to the Gabqar Khanate sectorial. Not much about it is known but it doesn't sound a whole lot like Haqqislam military aside from the Halqa. Reimagining it as 'ruffian biker gang sectorial' and divorcing it from Haqqislam proper is a way they could go with it.
I really hope they do this to FRRM as well.
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Micky wrote: Definately gotta keep ninjas otherwise Red Veil is stupid, and the ISS list would need to be changed. There's probably some others too, but I'm not myself familiar with the fluff around individual units.
Then maybe you should be familiar with the fluff around them, since they would be literally the only thing that might necessitate a change in the ISS list.
As it stands, Ninjas are a thing that can work. I mentioned this before but the fluff around them suggests that the Yu Jing Empire keeps the Japanese ninja 'clans' around for deniable operations--and as a yardstick for training their own operatives.
Interesting. Just reread the copy and it says "Providing some new sculpts of already known units" so does that mean some repacks or just wonky translation issue?
Monkeysloth wrote: Interesting. Just reread the copy and it says "Providing some new sculpts of already known units" so does that mean some repacks or just wonky translation issue?
Oniwaban, Keisotsu, Kempeitai are all getting resculpted as part of this. We've known two of those units were getting redone for some time.
I'm bracing for the worst at this point (complete loss of JSA units from vanilla and ISS), but I'm hoping that CB have a bit more tact than that.
But my worst case scenario right now is basically assuming we lose everything except the Ninja. This would be pretty bad for me since, while I don't play JSA (and have no real compunction to start) there are a great many JSA units that work very well in vanilla... So losing out on Keisotsu, Aragoto, Kitsune, Raiden, and Oniwaban would be a bit of a kick in the because I'm unlikely to use this as a jumping off point to start a proper JSA force since I've never had specific interest in playing them. So if they go, may as well just shelve 'em all for the time being.
On a larger scale losing out on a great deal of our better skirmishers (Kitsune, Oniwaban), fast specialists and assault (Aragoto), excellent back-field defense (Raiden), cheap engineer (Tokusetsu), and our single best overall LI (Keisotsu) will basically put vanilla back a ways. Now, this can be mitigated with some vanilla list changes, such as giving us some AVA increases (namely for Guilang, Kanren, Daofei, Celestial Guard, Kuang Shi) as well as finally making the Zhanshi profile worthwhile (i.e. get it to 10 points or less, may I suggest getting rid of its armour and giving it an array of closer-ranged weapons like chain rifles, submachine guns, and spitfires so that they match their stated fluff better; a CG-style boarding-shotgun FO would also be great).
But as of now, I'm basically just expecting us to lose 15 profiles from vanilla (everything but the ninja) and see no other changes. I'd love to be wrong, CB haven't given me much to give them the benefit of the doubt, and for all I know we aren't even keeping the ninja.
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Well part of the issues this time is that Corvus closely associated the Warcor to those news. We know what is coming, answers are coming next week.
so each time there's a leak whatever the source part of the community is hurt and feels betrayed.
Will it hurt some factions regarding the units available... Yes that's why new rule regarding proxies where revealed. It hurts but it will hurts nicelly I promise.
Event title is Uprising not cuddles.
So using "factions" is interesting. Sounds like more then just JSA.
Ronin_eX wrote: I'm bracing for the worst at this point (complete loss of JSA units from vanilla and ISS), but I'm hoping that CB have a bit more tact than that.
But my worst case scenario right now is basically assuming we lose everything except the Ninja. This would be pretty bad for me since, while I don't play JSA (and have no real compunction to start) there are a great many JSA units that work very well in vanilla... So losing out on Keisotsu, Aragoto, Kitsune, Raiden, and Oniwaban would be a bit of a kick in the because I'm unlikely to use this as a jumping off point to start a proper JSA force since I've never had specific interest in playing them. So if they go, may as well just shelve 'em all for the time being.
On a larger scale losing out on a great deal of our better skirmishers (Kitsune, Oniwaban), fast specialists and assault (Aragoto), excellent back-field defense (Raiden), cheap engineer (Tokusetsu), and our single best overall LI (Keisotsu) will basically put vanilla back a ways. Now, this can be mitigated with some vanilla list changes, such as giving us some AVA increases (namely for Guilang, Kanren, Daofei, Celestial Guard, Kuang Shi) as well as finally making the Zhanshi profile worthwhile (i.e. get it to 10 points or less, may I suggest getting rid of its armour and giving it an array of closer-ranged weapons like chain rifles, submachine guns, and spitfires so that they match their stated fluff better; a CG-style boarding-shotgun FO would also be great).
But as of now, I'm basically just expecting us to lose 15 profiles from vanilla (everything but the ninja) and see no other changes. I'd love to be wrong, CB haven't given me much to give them the benefit of the doubt, and for all I know we aren't even keeping the ninja.
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Yeah, it would be like when Combined Army lost the Exrah. It was only 4 units, but at the time that was over 1/10th of CA total forces, and all 4 were good units (with two being arguably the best units in the game at the time).
Well part of the issues this time is that Corvus closely associated the Warcor to those news. We know what is coming, answers are coming next week.
so each time there's a leak whatever the source part of the community is hurt and feels betrayed.
Will it hurt some factions regarding the units available... Yes that's why new rule regarding proxies where revealed. It hurts but it will hurts nicelly I promise.
Event title is Uprising not cuddles.
So using "factions" is interesting. Sounds like more then just JSA.
Yeah, it would be like when Combined Army lost the Exrah. It was only 4 units, but at the time that was over 1/10th of CA total forces, and all 4 were good units (with two being arguably the best units in the game at the time).
Nobody bought them, nobody played them?
Exrah were phased out for commercial reasons, they never made the investment back and casting more of them meant loosing more money (given they ripped the moulds apart quite fast and they sold so slow).
I think they and the old CA remotes are a testament that "starfish aliens" really do not sell.
They could've left the stats in for those of us who did buy and use them, though (they were one of my favourites; better than the Shasvastii). They needn't even be ITS-legal if people are worried about game balance.
Yeah, it would be like when Combined Army lost the Exrah. It was only 4 units, but at the time that was over 1/10th of CA total forces, and all 4 were good units (with two being arguably the best units in the game at the time).
Nobody bought them, nobody played them?
Exrah were phased out for commercial reasons, they never made the investment back and casting more of them meant loosing more money (given they ripped the moulds apart quite fast and they sold so slow).
I think they and the old CA remotes are a testament that "starfish aliens" really do not sell.
what does any of that have to do with what I said?
AndrewGPaul wrote:They could've left the stats in for those of us who did buy and use them, though (they were one of my favourites; better than the Shasvastii). They needn't even be ITS-legal if people are worried about game balance.
If there are stats then there must be a model and if there is not a model there must be plans for it to be produced.
Yeah, it would be like when Combined Army lost the Exrah. It was only 4 units, but at the time that was over 1/10th of CA total forces, and all 4 were good units (with two being arguably the best units in the game at the time).
Nobody bought them, nobody played them?
Exrah were phased out for commercial reasons, they never made the investment back and casting more of them meant loosing more money (given they ripped the moulds apart quite fast and they sold so slow).
I think they and the old CA remotes are a testament that "starfish aliens" really do not sell.
what does any of that have to do with what I said?
It is not the same motivation or reason behind it.
AndrewGPaul wrote:They could've left the stats in for those of us who did buy and use them, though (they were one of my favourites; better than the Shasvastii). They needn't even be ITS-legal if people are worried about game balance.
If there are stats then there must be a model and if there is not a model there must be plans for it to be produced.
Yeah, it would be like when Combined Army lost the Exrah. It was only 4 units, but at the time that was over 1/10th of CA total forces, and all 4 were good units (with two being arguably the best units in the game at the time).
Nobody bought them, nobody played them?
Exrah were phased out for commercial reasons, they never made the investment back and casting more of them meant loosing more money (given they ripped the moulds apart quite fast and they sold so slow).
I think they and the old CA remotes are a testament that "starfish aliens" really do not sell.
what does any of that have to do with what I said?
It is not the same motivation or reason behind it.
Yes. So? I was talking about what a loss it was (and still is) for CA players, not the motivations behind it. The motivation is beside the point. Its okay for CA players to miss Exrah units and lament their loss. It'll be okay for YuJing players to do the same with JSA, if thats what comes to pass.
Kanluwen wrote: Oh look, a Brawler as an exclusive preorder figure...
Yeah, I’m sure it’ll be the only brawler model they ever make, right?
Remind me again how you can get an Authorized Bounty Hunter in power armor with a Boarding Shotgun? A Devil Dog with Chain Rifle? Maverick with Boarding Shotgun? CB looooooooooves their 'exclusives'.
In any regards, man...I'm sure BioWare would love to know that someone 1:1'd the Apex Pathfinder armor.
AndrewGPaul wrote:They could've left the stats in for those of us who did buy and use them, though (they were one of my favourites; better than the Shasvastii). They needn't even be ITS-legal if people are worried about game balance.
If there are stats then there must be a model and if there is not a model there must be plans for it to be produced.
Why? The whole point of my reply was that CB could have simply said "We're doing away with the Exrah miniatures, but for those of you who own them, here's some rules so you can continue to use them in non-ITS games, with your fellow players' consent." It's no different, really, to there being stats for models that don't appear for ages. I assume your reply means that CB have chosen not to do this, but that doesn't stop me thinking it's a poor idea.
AndrewGPaul wrote:They could've left the stats in for those of us who did buy and use them, though (they were one of my favourites; better than the Shasvastii). They needn't even be ITS-legal if people are worried about game balance.
If there are stats then there must be a model and if there is not a model there must be plans for it to be produced.
Why? The whole point of my reply was that CB could have simply said "We're doing away with the Exrah miniatures, but for those of you who own them, here's some rules so you can continue to use them in non-ITS games, with your fellow players' consent." It's no different, really, to there being stats for models that don't appear for ages. I assume your reply means that CB have chosen not to do this, but that doesn't stop me thinking it's a poor idea.
Isn’t that just the N2 profiles?
On a different subject, will there be more than just the 2 known nonaligned armies in this book? A whole book seems like a lot for 2 army lists and fluff for a handful of new units.
AndrewGPaul wrote:They could've left the stats in for those of us who did buy and use them, though (they were one of my favourites; better than the Shasvastii). They needn't even be ITS-legal if people are worried about game balance.
If there are stats then there must be a model and if there is not a model there must be plans for it to be produced.
Why? The whole point of my reply was that CB could have simply said "We're doing away with the Exrah miniatures, but for those of you who own them, here's some rules so you can continue to use them in non-ITS games, with your fellow players' consent." It's no different, really, to there being stats for models that don't appear for ages. I assume your reply means that CB have chosen not to do this, but that doesn't stop me thinking it's a poor idea.
Isn’t that just the N2 profiles?
On a different subject, will there be more than just the 2 known nonaligned armies in this book? A whole book seems like a lot for 2 army lists and fluff for a handful of new units.
Doesn't seem like a lot if you consider they might be republishing the complete list of units in one place.
I also hope that it will be more than just the Druze we've already seen and this new JSA. It wouldn't surprise me to see at least one of the other Merc outfits.
It may just be me, but I'm pretty unimpressed by this set of models. At least at first glance. The big HI looks really, really bad, the Keisotsu, Kempei and Oniwaban are better sculpted but less interesting than the models they're replacing and the rest are pretty boring looking. And except for the Oniwaban they all have the really generic "holding gun and kind of vaguely looking around" poses that seem to be the new thing for Infinity.
Also, I love Celty, but the pop culture references are getting tired. Especially here where its literally half the box.
If you’re referring to the contents of the book, sure, they’ll resist the profiles, but likely only the ones in the new armies. As for fluff, they’ve never republished unit fluff in the same edition that I know of.
Henshini wrote: If you’re referring to the contents of the book, sure, they’ll resist the profiles, but likely only the ones in the new armies. As for fluff, they’ve never republished unit fluff in the same edition that I know of.
We've never had a situation like this where a faction's been split off.
Modock wrote: That Kaizoku spec-ops design is off the charts...truly amazing.
Some of the speculation right now is that the "outrage" that PanO players will have is because the Kaizoku is based off of a Bolt-like unit(which is what the Ryuken Unit 9 are supposedly) that can Link with them.
Which yeah, that'd be pretty irritating.
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AndrewGPaul wrote: Blimey, that video's awful. Just as I manage to focus on something through the blur, distortion and red haze, it flicks onto the next image.
Is that a new TAG, or a resculpt of the existing JSATAG?
The O-Yoroi hasn't been resculpted.
The thing in that big box is a S5 Heavy Infantry.
Infinity the Game wrote:Interesting times are upon us.
During various days the Maya net has been filled with cryptic messages that have left a wave of conjectures, theories and wild guessing: is Yu Jing asking for an end of all the hostilities against the Combined Army? Is Corvus Belli planning the next Outrage issue? Or maybe JSA and Shasvastii have come together to form a new faction called Jazzvastii… soon all will be unveiled.
We have had some intense days here at Corvus Belli and now is when all the previous work culminates in a vibrant wave of information and activity. A new content week will be published from the 5th to the 11th of March through the Beasts of War web page and Corvus Belli’s social network to unveil new troops, miniatures, armies and surprises for every Human Sphere dweller.
“Infinity Uprising” is the upcoming new Infinity wargame book that will expand on the Sectorial Army range with the addition of the Non-Aligned Armies (NA2). A book that will develop the narrative of the Infinity Universe through this coming year of 2018. The story told will carry tremendous implications for the status quo of the Human Sphere factions.
Through these last weeks we have been unveiling small tips in some corners of Mayanet that did not go unnoticed by the experienced eye. The common reading was evident: an uprising among the most active parts of the Japanese society was shaping up against Yu Jing’s StateEmpire. An unstoppable secessionist movement that wants a change that the Jade Empire will not and cannot tolerate.
The conflict is served, Yu Jing will not hesitate to use the Imperial Service or even deploy the Invincibles to crush the rebellion immediately, but they will face the Japanese Army as they have never seen it: The new JSA, the Japanese Secessionist Army.
Corvus Belli releases a new JSA Army Pack. A box that opens new horizons for the Japanese troops. A background booklet, missions, scenery, dice, markers and some very high-quality miniatures.
All the questions will receive their answers during the next week and, probably, many new questions will come. The only recommendation I can make is: stay alert and get your miniatures ready, they are going to be more alive than ever.
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So using "factions" is interesting. Sounds like more then just JSA.
Thought this was worth highlighting now that we know there's a whole unaligned book coming.
Yeah. More Merc companies and maybe some kind of 0-12 force seem like likely candidates, although I really hope we end up with something more interesting than that.
So using "factions" is interesting. Sounds like more then just JSA.
Thought this was worth highlighting now that we know there's a whole unaligned book coming.
Oh ya, I totally wasn't expecting the book right now as in January Bostira said it wasn't coming until May-June so it looks like he was messing with us on that.
This also contains all the updated Dire Foes missions and Stats. Apparently there's an overarching story between all those missions that's supposed to hint at what's going on either later this year or next year fluff wise.
The Kempeitai looks to be armed with a new type of weapon to? It doesn't match the current YuJing weapons. Its not a boarding shotguns since it laks the drum mag and its much longer than a combi. The gun is about 50% the height of the model.
New Marksman profile?
What is the Geisha holding in its right hand? A cat? Too Silly. In its left hand, the briefcase, a sub-machine briefcase? So, a CSU, or a WarCor or something new. A silly mini.
The book is intriguing, and the brawler mini would not lookout of place among my Haqq forces. I'll skip the JSA box. But I was planning to do so anyway.
Red Harvest wrote: What is the Geisha holding in its right hand? A cat? Too Silly. In its left hand, the briefcase, a sub-machine briefcase? So, a CSU, or a WarCor or something new. A silly mini.
Some of the speculation right now is that the "outrage" that PanO players will have is because the Kaizoku is based off of a Bolt-like unit(which is what the Ryuken Unit 9 are supposedly) that can Link with them.
Which yeah, that'd be pretty irritating.
I know the reason now, and yes, it's annoying (I wasn't far off with the Feuerbach guess...)
Well yes as they were upfront in January that this was the book coming out this year and they want to do smaller book releases that can come out for frequent. They just deliberate told us it wouldn't be out until the summer so they could drop it in early as a surprise.
I wouldn't be surprised is this was a chunk of stuff that was originally targeted for Archeon Falls.
While a new book is a pleasant surprise (and like, a legitimately new one, not another 2nd Edition reprint) I'm still finding it hard to get hyped over anything before I know what units I'm losing from my vanilla lists.
I really wish CB would have prioritized communicating what Yu Jing keeps and what they lose as part of this release announcement, because I'm in no mood to throw money at them when a good-sized chunk of my collection is at risk of getting Ko Dali'd/Exrah'd unless I pay them more money to start a faction I wasn't really interested in.
Either way, I'm going to need a ton more info before I even think of pre-ordering that book, which will sort of make this a first for me. Normally new Infinity books have me pretty excited (even the re-prints), but the lack of communication about the state of Japanese units has definitely dulled any sense of hype I may have otherwise gone in to this with.
Ronin_eX wrote: While a new book is a pleasant surprise (and like, a legitimately new one, not another 2nd Edition reprint) I'm still finding it hard to get hyped over anything before I know what units I'm losing from my vanilla lists.
I really wish CB would have prioritized communicating what Yu Jing keeps and what they lose as part of this release announcement, because I'm in no mood to throw money at them when a good-sized chunk of my collection is at risk of getting Ko Dali'd/Exrah'd unless I pay them more money to start a faction I wasn't really interested in.
Either way, I'm going to need a ton more info before I even think of pre-ordering that book, which will sort of make this a first for me. Normally new Infinity books have me pretty excited (even the re-prints), but the lack of communication about the state of Japanese units has definitely dulled any sense of hype I may have otherwise gone in to this with.
This is the problem with leaks. Due to the data leaking, we've known long enough to feel like there's a lack of communication, but realistically this is their first unveiling, which stated plans to make next week about explaining things. That kind of stuff shouldn't be the focus and a weekend to let the hype part settle before getting into the details is totally appropriate. Unfortunately, the hype part ended already because we basically found out a week early.
The whole set looks fantastic. My brother plays JSA so I'm sure this will be on his list. I unfortunately don't, and even if they were still part of Yu Jing proper I'm selling my Yu Jing anyway. I might have to hunt down the HVT though, so adorable.
The Brawler looks fantastic, and since I own Druze I see no reason to not dabble in their sectorial, so I'l pre order for that.
What’s in the book? Is this only JSA & Druze? Gimme more details
Personally, I'm expecting it to be something like:
JSA and fluff surrounding the Uprising
Druze and fluff surrounding their Sectorial
Maybe another Sectorial. MAYBE.
All the direfoes missions and reworks will be in it. Also a bunch of Non Aligned "paper" Armies meaning no new miniatures but just made up of existing miniatures. We know that from the Seminars.
From some things certain warcors have stated probably more faction breaks outside of YJ and JSA.
What’s in the book? Is this only JSA & Druze? Gimme more details
Personally, I'm expecting it to be something like:
JSA and fluff surrounding the Uprising
Druze and fluff surrounding their Sectorial
Maybe another Sectorial. MAYBE.
All the direfoes missions and reworks will be in it. Also a bunch of Non Aligned "paper" Armies meaning no new miniatures but just made up of existing miniatures. We know that from the Seminars.
From some things certain warcors have stated probably more faction breaks outside of YJ and JSA.
If Druze and JSA are in it, this is false. Both Druze and the new JSA have new units (we've already seen Brawlers for Druze, JSA get a new biker character and an S5 HI in their new box).
What’s in the book? Is this only JSA & Druze? Gimme more details
Personally, I'm expecting it to be something like:
JSA and fluff surrounding the Uprising
Druze and fluff surrounding their Sectorial
Maybe another Sectorial. MAYBE.
All the direfoes missions and reworks will be in it. Also a bunch of Non Aligned "paper" Armies meaning no new miniatures but just made up of existing miniatures. We know that from the Seminars.
From some things certain warcors have stated probably more faction breaks outside of YJ and JSA.
If Druze and JSA are in it, this is false. Both Druze and the new JSA have new units (we've already seen Brawlers for Druze, JSA get a new biker character and an S5 HI in their new box).
There's nothing false about what I said. Those are things Carlos said was going to be in the book. We also knew Druze would be in it, as he stated that as well, but obviously he didn't tell us about JSA or anything too spoilery. I didn't add druze as I had quoted Kan's post about them being in the book so there was no need to state that again. There's also things we don't know yet that will probably be revealed next week.
What’s in the book? Is this only JSA & Druze? Gimme more details
Personally, I'm expecting it to be something like:
JSA and fluff surrounding the Uprising
Druze and fluff surrounding their Sectorial
Maybe another Sectorial. MAYBE.
All the direfoes missions and reworks will be in it. Also a bunch of Non Aligned "paper" Armies meaning no new miniatures but just made up of existing miniatures. We know that from the Seminars.
From some things certain warcors have stated probably more faction breaks outside of YJ and JSA.
If Druze and JSA are in it, this is false. Both Druze and the new JSA have new units (we've already seen Brawlers for Druze, JSA get a new biker character and an S5 HI in their new box).
There's nothing false about what I said. Those are things Carlos said was going to be in the book. We also knew Druze would be in it, as he stated that as well, but obviously he didn't tell us about JSA or anything too spoilery. I didn't add druze as I had quoted Kan's post about them being in the book so there was no need to state that again. There's also things we don't know yet that will probably be revealed next week.
How is it not false? You said those lists would have nothing new, and only be existing units. We know Brawlers are in it so we know there's new units. If JSA are in it, we know there's more.
ok dude seriously. I think you're arguing for the sake of arguing.
I stated what we were TOLD was going to be in there as there will be new non-aligned armies that don't have new figures. That doesn't mean there aren't also armies with new figures. Those two things aren't mutually exclusive in any way.
What the hell is going on with this release that makes everyone want to fight over it. I had to mute WGC Infinity on Facebook as the mods were deleting any mention of JSA (even list building and tactics) and brushing off any criticism while other people are sure CB is out to ruin their lives with this shakeup.
Monkeysloth wrote: ok dude seriously. I think you're arguing for the sake of arguing.
I stated what we were TOLD was going to be in there as there will be new non-aligned armies that don't have new figures. That doesn't mean there aren't also armies with new figures. Those two things aren't mutually exclusive in any way.
What the hell is going on with this release that makes everyone want to fight over it. I had to mute WGC Infinity on Facebook as the mods were deleting any mention of JSA (even list building and tactics) and brushing off any criticism while other people are sure CB is out to ruin their lives with this shakeup.
You said it would have redone dire foes scenarios and a bunch of 'paper' unaligned lists with no new units.
Monkeysloth wrote: ok dude seriously. I think you're arguing for the sake of arguing.
I stated what we were TOLD was going to be in there as there will be new non-aligned armies that don't have new figures. That doesn't mean there aren't also armies with new figures. Those two things aren't mutually exclusive in any way.
What the hell is going on with this release that makes everyone want to fight over it. I had to mute WGC Infinity on Facebook as the mods were deleting any mention of JSA (even list building and tactics) and brushing off any criticism while other people are sure CB is out to ruin their lives with this shakeup.
You said it would have redone dire foes scenarios and a bunch of 'paper' unaligned lists with no new units.
You're now changing what you said.
No I'm not. I quoted another freaking conversation and ADDED what else was in it and for some reason you've decided to all riled up about it. I'm done dealing with stupidity over this damn book. Go harass someone else.
ImAGeek wrote: It’s a silhouette 5 heavy infantry. Could be unmanned still (like the Su-Jian).
Thanks! I have to say I'm a bit surprised.
Red Harvest wrote:It's not a wok. It's a flumph. And a silly mini. So is the Geisha, as I've said. Silly. But not in a kawaii sort of way.
Many page views for Beast O' War come Monday.
My equally silly apologies. I was hungry and clearly it went to my head.
In another unrelated question, has there been any word on whether the aristeia minis will be available separately, whether plastic or metal? I'd be interested in picking up a Maxiumus (the traditional PanO version, not the 300 spartan one) as an RPG character mini but the rest of the box holds no interest for me. If anyone has one that they're willing to sell, PM me. Otherwise, I'm hoping that CB sells them separately.
Monkeysloth wrote: ok dude seriously. I think you're arguing for the sake of arguing.
I stated what we were TOLD was going to be in there as there will be new non-aligned armies that don't have new figures. That doesn't mean there aren't also armies with new figures. Those two things aren't mutually exclusive in any way.
What the hell is going on with this release that makes everyone want to fight over it. I had to mute WGC Infinity on Facebook as the mods were deleting any mention of JSA (even list building and tactics) and brushing off any criticism while other people are sure CB is out to ruin their lives with this shakeup.
You said it would have redone dire foes scenarios and a bunch of 'paper' unaligned lists with no new units.
You're now changing what you said.
Dude, chill.
He said "also" it will have armies made of existing models/units. As in "in addition to what we already know is in it." Specifically the new JSA list and Dire Foes stuff.
What’s in the book? Is this only JSA & Druze? Gimme more details
Personally, I'm expecting it to be something like:
JSA and fluff surrounding the Uprising
Druze and fluff surrounding their Sectorial
Maybe another Sectorial. MAYBE.
Doesn’t seem like all that much content.
Not a bad thing.
Perhaps they bit off more than they can chew trying to assemble a big content drop like AF.
Maybe this means CB will publish smaller books more often to introduce incremental changes?
Again, not a bad thing. There are many parts of the infinity universe that have passed their expiration date and really need to be eliminated/replaced instead of just issuing resculpts.
I would like to get away entirely from Vanilla lists. Years of expansion have led to silly profile combinations (fluff wise) being run in vanilla lists & other profiles never being used.
What’s in the book? Is this only JSA & Druze? Gimme more details
Personally, I'm expecting it to be something like:
JSA and fluff surrounding the Uprising
Druze and fluff surrounding their Sectorial
Maybe another Sectorial. MAYBE.
Doesn’t seem like all that much content.
Not a bad thing.
Perhaps they bit off more than they can chew trying to assemble a big content drop like AF.
Maybe this means CB will publish smaller books more often to introduce incremental changes?
Again, not a bad thing. There are many parts of the infinity universe that have passed their expiration date and really need to be eliminated/replaced instead of just issuing resculpts.
I would like to get away entirely from Vanilla lists. Years of expansion have led to silly profile combinations (fluff wise) being run in vanilla lists & other profiles never being used.
Infinity deperately needs more regular content drops. A book every 2 years isn't great for sustaining interest. While they've got a hardcore following, the more casual peoples interest wanes when it takes 2 years to release most of what was in the previous book, with ITS seasons in between. If they're interested in ITS at all.
Infinity deperately needs more regular content drops. A book every 2 years isn't great for sustaining interest. While they've got a hardcore following, the more casual peoples interest wanes when it takes 2 years to release most of what was in the previous book, with ITS seasons in between. If they're interested in ITS at all.
Smaller books more frequently will help a lot.
It's even more of an issue when the "book every 2 years" is more/less just rehashing previous content.
Well they are (now were?) still in the process of updating all the books for N3, as well as trying other new things too (Aristeia and the RPG)
with the ITS book drops they are going to do now I feel that will be enough of a book release, but releasing major books at a shorter rate isn't the model they want to do.
In my community a little mixed, but that's because those who would be driving it have been preoccupied with real life for a bit
Those that have played it have really really enjoyed it, those that haven't played it yet are hesitant to try it for some reason! The plastics are a little off putting, but since CB seem to be making the collectors edition a product made in limit quantities during the year maybe more will get into it.
That last point is an assumption based off how it is up for pre-order again in association with the JSA pack and new book
Thanks. The plastics seem pretty good to me for preassembled plastic but obviously they won't compare to the metals. I just don't know how much utility normal Infinity players can get from the boxed set minis either.
As in the metals?
You can probably use them to proxie a range of minis. Gata as a civi, hexa as a Reverend Custodier, maximus as a small tag!
Base size isn't important in Aristeia, just the miniature itself (and it being clear what hex it's in). I'm going to base mine (the metals ones) on whatever is smaller and get extenders for the larger size if needed.
Then either somehow you conveniently missed all of the complaints surrounding the Tikbalang/Uhlans and CB's insistence that "they couldn't fit a TAG into a blister!"(despite the fact that they did just that) or you don't see it as an issue that there is a TAG 'exclusive' variant.
Then either somehow you conveniently missed all of the complaints surrounding the Tikbalang/Uhlans and CB's insistence that "they couldn't fit a TAG into a blister!"(despite the fact that they did just that) or you don't see it as an issue that there is a TAG 'exclusive' variant.
You can always purchase these models when the season is over with. So it's only exclusive to tournament winners for a short period.
Then either somehow you conveniently missed all of the complaints surrounding the Tikbalang/Uhlans and CB's insistence that "they couldn't fit a TAG into a blister!"(despite the fact that they did just that) or you don't see it as an issue that there is a TAG 'exclusive' variant.
You can always purchase these models when the season is over with. So it's only exclusive to tournament winners for a short period.
You literally missed the point being made.
Corvus Belli, in the past, has tried to state that certain TAGs were put into double boxes because "TAGs can't fit into blisters".
The Tikbalang, after they made those statements, were put into a blister for tournament packs.
Once again they're releasing a TAG as an ITS prize.
Also worth mentioning that is a new look for the O-Yoroi, so hohum.
Then either somehow you conveniently missed all of the complaints surrounding the Tikbalang/Uhlans and CB's insistence that "they couldn't fit a TAG into a blister!"(despite the fact that they did just that) or you don't see it as an issue that there is a TAG 'exclusive' variant.
Oh, I see. No, I didn't miss the complaints about the Tik and Uhlans. I just thought everyone got over that three years ago. I guess not. In any case, thats not whats happening here at all.
And no, I don't see any problem with offering this variant as a tournament reward. It almost certainly won't have a special profile, and if it does you can still use the model thats been widely available for years to represent it. If you really want the variant you can play in a tournament or just buy your own tournament pack. I don't see any reason to complain here at all.
Then either somehow you conveniently missed all of the complaints surrounding the Tikbalang/Uhlans and CB's insistence that "they couldn't fit a TAG into a blister!"(despite the fact that they did just that) or you don't see it as an issue that there is a TAG 'exclusive' variant.
Oh, I see. No, I didn't miss the complaints about the Tik and Uhlans. I just thought everyone got over that three years ago. I guess not. In any case, thats not whats happening here at all.
And no, I don't see any problem with offering this variant as a tournament reward. It almost certainly won't have a special profile, and if it does you can still use the model thats been widely available for years to represent it. If you really want the variant you can play in a tournament or just buy your own tournament pack. I don't see any reason to complain here at all.
"Buy a tournament pack"? That's a great solution; "hey you know that exclusive variant prize? Haha--just kidding anyone can buy them!".
So which is it: an "exclusive variant prize" or a retail item? Why not just send the things to shops rather than only sell them via CB's webstore?
Now that we've gotten a better look at the models I'm warming up to them a little. I'm still not super impressed by the set though. The sculpting is as top notch as always, but the majority of the models have very dull poses, and I really, really don't like the big HI. On the other hand, the Keisotsu look better than I thought, and both the HVT and Spec Op are really nice.
I'm still on the fence about getting the set I guess.
"Buy a tournament pack"? That's a great solution; "hey you know that exclusive variant prize? Haha--just kidding anyone can buy them!".
So which is it: an "exclusive variant prize" or a retail item? Why not just send the things to shops rather than only sell them via CB's webstore?
Did you not realize that anyone can buy tournament packs? Thats how you get them. They don't magically appear whenever there's a tournament. Someone has to buy them. The models are exclusive to the tournament pack, and only available for a limited time, but anyone can buy a pack. You can even buy it from your local shop. Just ask them to order it for you. You won't even have to pay shipping.
So I'm not sure what your complaint actually is. First you were upset that you couldn't buy one. Then when I pointed out you could buy one, you got upset that it was labeled as "exclusive".
jake wrote: Now that we've gotten a better look at the models I'm warming up to them a little. I'm still not super impressed by the set though. The sculpting is as top notch as always, but the majority of the models have very dull poses, and I really, really don't like the big HI. On the other hand, the Keisotsu look better than I thought, and both the HVT and Spec Op are really nice.
I'm still on the fence about getting the set I guess.
I like them even more than I thought I would - and probably because of the poses.
Most attempts at dynamism are great in theory (or in concept art) and absolutely horribly in reality.
"Buy a tournament pack"? That's a great solution; "hey you know that exclusive variant prize? Haha--just kidding anyone can buy them!".
So which is it: an "exclusive variant prize" or a retail item? Why not just send the things to shops rather than only sell them via CB's webstore?
Did you not realize that anyone can buy tournament packs? Thats how you get them. They don't magically appear whenever there's a tournament. Someone has to buy them. The models are exclusive to the tournament pack, and only available for a limited time, but anyone can buy a pack. You can even buy it from your local shop. Just ask them to order it for you. You won't even have to pay shipping.
So I'm not sure what your complaint actually is. First you were upset that you couldn't buy one. Then when I pointed out you could buy one, you got upset that it was labeled as "exclusive".
If you can't figure out the complaint, you're willfully blinding yourself to it.
The "complaint" is literally that despite CB saying "We can't do TAGs in blisters" this is now the second time we're having...TAGs in blisters.
And I'm well aware that you can buy tournament packs via stores. That doesn't change that it's ridiculous that you can buy tournament packs rather than CB providing them to WarCors/stores to use as game incentives.
If you can't figure out the complaint, you're willfully blinding yourself to it.
The "complaint" is literally that despite CB saying "We can't do TAGs in blisters" this is now the second time we're having...TAGs in blisters.
And I'm well aware that you can buy tournament packs via stores. That doesn't change that it's ridiculous that you can buy tournament packs rather than CB providing them to WarCors/stores to use as game incentives.
Your complaint about TAGs in blisters had absolutely nothing to do with this topic or this release. Its just you bringing up an unrelated complaint from years ago and trying to force it into the conversation. The standard version of the O-Yoroi has been available to everyone as a separate product for years.
You didn't seem to be aware that you can buy tournament packs in stores, since you literally said "Why not just send the things to shops rather than only sell them via CB's webstore". I'm not sure why you think its ridiculous that you can buy tournament packs. It sounds like you think only Warcors and Stores should be able to get them. But just a few posts ago you were complaining about the model being exclusive to the tournament pack and not available for regular purchase.
I don't really get the complaining. CB has decided that it wants to offer special prizes for tournaments. Offering completely exclusive models created a big backlash in the past, so instead they've started offering models with alternate parts (usually alternate arms. In the case of this and the Tik these are models that are already widely available. In the case of other ITS prizes like Authorized Bounty Hunter and pilot Scarface these are models that will eventually get a general release with alternate parts. So everyone has access to the base model. But if you want the variant you can compete for it or buy a tournament pack. Thats seems fair to everyone, while still giving tournament players something neat to compete for. So how is it that this system generates constant complaints? Do you all just not want there to be special prizes?
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Alpharius wrote: Yeah, that's the slight flaw in the "anyone can buy one" theory - I might want one, but not with the ITS Tournament Pack Tax!
I don't disagree, but it is an option. Anyone can get it if they want. I gave in and bought the Krakot pack because I knew I wouldn't have a chance of competing in any tournaments that year.
If you can't figure out the complaint, you're willfully blinding yourself to it. The "complaint" is literally that despite CB saying "We can't do TAGs in blisters" this is now the second time we're having...TAGs in blisters.
And I'm well aware that you can buy tournament packs via stores. That doesn't change that it's ridiculous that you can buy tournament packs rather than CB providing them to WarCors/stores to use as game incentives.
Your complaint about TAGs in blisters had absolutely nothing to do with this topic or this release. Its just you bringing up an unrelated complaint from years ago and trying to force it into the conversation. The standard version of the O-Yoroi has been available to everyone as a separate product for years.
Pretty sure I don't have to "force it into the conversation" at all, since it's fairly topical when showcasing a second TAG being used as a tournament prize in a blister. It's a TAG in a blister when CB has stated they "can't do TAGs in blisters".
You didn't seem to be aware that you can buy tournament packs in stores, since you literally said "Why not just send the things to shops rather than only sell them via CB's webstore". I'm not sure why you think its ridiculous that you can buy tournament packs. It sounds like you think only Warcors and Stores should be able to get them. But just a few posts ago you were complaining about the model being exclusive to the tournament pack and not available for regular purchase.
I've been aware of them selling tournament packs via shops(which BTW: it's not "you buy tournament packs in stores"--you have to get a shop to order it for you. "buying tournament packs in stores" implies that you can go and get it off the shelf; you can't).
If you think I'm "complaining about the model being exclusive to the tournament pack and not available for regular purchase", then you've never once actually read any of my postings on the subject matter. But you've gone after me enough both here and previously on the old forums for me to think that is not the case.
So for a helpful hint on Kan's Opposition to Tournament Models A) I'm not opposed to exclusive tournament prizes when they're actually exclusive tournament prizes. B) Once the tournament prizes are available for general purchase, they cease to be "exclusive tournament prizes". They just become something that anyone, anywhere can buy. It kills the unique nature of it. C) The fact that WarCors/Stores still have to pay for the tournament prize pack is ridiculous. You want them to run your games, but you won't just give them the prize support for it? D) Alternate arms do not an exclusive make.
I don't really get the complaining. CB has decided that it wants to offer special prizes for tournaments. Offering completely exclusive models created a big backlash in the past, so instead they've started offering models with alternate parts (usually alternate arms. In the case of this and the Tik these are models that are already widely available. In the case of other ITS prizes like Authorized Bounty Hunter and pilot Scarface these are models that will eventually get a general release with alternate parts. So everyone has access to the base model. But if you want the variant you can compete for it or buy a tournament pack. Thats seems fair to everyone, while still giving tournament players something neat to compete for. So how is it that this system generates constant complaints? Do you all just not want there to be special prizes?
And here's another wonderful part: "We can't do alternate arms for TAGs/models"...and there it is sitting right there.
Special prizes != "stuff that should be available in the box/blister to begin with".
Kanluwen wrote: Pretty sure I don't have to "force it into the conversation" at all, since it's fairly topical when showcasing a second TAG being used as a tournament prize in a blister. It's a TAG in a blister when CB has stated they "can't do TAGs in blisters".
Thats not topical, thats you forcing it into the conversation. No one at all was talking about it, an dthen you took an opportunity to bring up a 3 year old grudge you've been hauling around.
Kanluwen wrote: I've been aware of them selling tournament packs via shops(which BTW: it's not "you buy tournament packs in stores"--you have to get a shop to order it for you. "buying tournament packs in stores" implies that you can go and get it off the shelf; you can't)..
Any store can buy as many tournament packs as they want and sell them right off the shelf. Some even do. Most don't bother because theres not enough interest. But you can still order it through the store. And just becaus ethe store has to place a special order for you doesn't mean you're not buying it from the store.
Kanluwen wrote: So for a helpful hint on Kan's Opposition to Tournament Models
A) I'm not opposed to exclusive tournament prizes when they're actually exclusive tournament prizes.
B) Once the tournament prizes are available for general purchase, they cease to be "exclusive tournament prizes". They just become something that anyone, anywhere can buy. It kills the unique nature of it.
C) The fact that WarCors/Stores still have to pay for the tournament prize pack is ridiculous. You want them to run your games, but you won't just give them the prize support for it?
D) Alternate arms do not an exclusive make.
Okay, so...?
- You're not opposed to Exclusive prizes, as long as they're actually exclusive and not available for purchase.
- You don't think alternate arms makes a model exclusive.
- You don't think Warcors and STores should have to buy tournament packs. They should be free.
Thats all fine, but... what is your actual complaint? I literally can't tell. I can't tell if:
- You want the model, but only if you can win it. And you're upset that other people can just buy the model.
- You want the model, but you wanted it to be a completely new model and not what it actually is, so you don't actually want it. You want something that doesn't exist.
- You don't want the model, don't want to buy the model or win the model, but think that there should be super exclusive models that can be won, but also they should be fully original and not just variants with different parts. (This one isn't super unreasonable)
- You don't want the model and don't actually care, you just wanted an excuse to complain about how a pair of PanO models were packaged 3 years ago.
I'm guessing its the 4th one, but feel free to clarify.
Japanese Secessionist Army, Druze Bayram Security, Ikari Company, StarCo, Free Company of the Star.
That's the "Non-Aligned Armies" for those who don't/can't watch the video.
Ikari--"If Druze are bad, these guys are worse". It will use a lot of JSA models as well apparently?
StarCo: "These are the good guys". Alguaciles, Mobile Brigada, Jaguars(?), "Raoul Spector" Mercenary Operative--Knauf. Lots of CJC stuff that is new. For whatever reason, Hardcases from USARF and Irmandinhos. Emily and Uhahu from the Outrage box(really gotta get their moneys worth from that box I guess). Mobile Brigada can link with Senor Massacre...and MB can Duo with Anacondas.
I'll be interested to see if that faction is literally populated by Nomad and Ariadnan units on their weekends off, or if they're representing different military units. I can see the Nomad fleet and Ariadna sponsoring a deniable mercenary outfit (like the Flying Tigers, Condor Legion or the Dendarii Free Mercenaries ), or those factions simply being a good recruiting ground for soldiers who've mustered out of their regular military.
I was hoping for something besides Merc companies, but I guess we knew it was coming eventually. Its not something I find very compelling, but I know some people have been really wanting them.
Nothing stands out really, good or bad. Except Kandi Lynn looks like the Corporate VIP from the Yasbir-Konstantinos Dire Foes. Same lower half. Recycling is good, m'kay.
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BS15 B4 Plasma, 0SWC very optimized profile for aggressive Unidron links, which is my jam. With the inclusion of White Noise, they've basically removed the only unique ability that Umbra Legates offered to Unidron links. Not that the Legate profile was any good in the first place.
I can't have smoke in Onyx; they get hack bonuses that are even less applicable then +1 
