I would so take a custodier with a sword. Sure, they shouldn't be trying to cc something... but it would look cool and be a third sculpt to put into a custodier triad link team...
Question at this stage is whether its a new troop type or a new equipment profile for an existing troop type...
...or simply a named character.
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GrimDork wrote: I would so take a custodier with a sword. Sure, they shouldn't be trying to cc something... but it would look cool and be a third sculpt to put into a custodier triad link team...
Would have to be a new profile seeing as the existing profiles all have knives.
Not sure about the levitating nomads. Zero G? Or the flametongue sword. A bit AD&D-ish. The reverend-healer has a Frostbrand then? (and shouldn't this be the reverse?)
Woaw Corvus belly must have the worst photographers only lighting from the back!
Still not sure which factions i want to get in to.
- Operation: Icestorm box content to be revealed during July. - Pre-Sale campaign during August. - All the miniatures included are new. Their profiles are adapted to N3. Three of the profiles are completely new. - The special mini, which has it's own profile, will be only available durign the pre-order period. - The minis are in metal, as usual. - All the minis are exclusive to this box. - A gaming mat is included in the box. (Doesn't say specifically if it includes scenography) - They have done their best to keep the price as low as possible.
Thanks for that! So, the combination of "All the miniatures included are new" and the fact that there are three new profiles is not quite what I expected.
I assume that the three new profiles are for the "Dire Foes" (e.g. named) characters + the civilian who may or may not be the special mini they are referring to.
But that would mean that while the two "starters" worth (e.g. 12 minis) are existing profiles, I was only expecting six new sculpts, i.e. the redone line troops. So that means that whatever the other six minis are (ORC troops, Order Sergeants etc) they will either be resculpts or miniatures that fit a certain profile for which no mini previously existed.
-Loki- wrote: Is the special mini only with the pre order of Operation Icestorm or N3 rulebook too?
The N3 Rulebook included is in a point between the normal rulebook and the QSR. It is not limited release, is a normal part of the box. It's presented as a campaign, and it will be introducing new rules as they become needed for the particular scenarios.
I'm re-reading the interview. I translated the points in a hurry, I had got at least one thing wrong: I said that all the minis would exclusive to the box. That will be true only at the beginning, as the normal 6 minis of each faction will be released separately in the future. The 2 characters will remain exclusive to the box, and the special mini will be excusive to the preorder period.
They will be revealing more details about the content in the next days.
You may get the special mini from sources other than CB too. So you do not need to pre-order direct from CB. Which is nice. Shipping from Spain is apalling.
No mention of the terrain included, just the mat. But Palanca does say the box contains everything needed to begin to play, and at a competitive price. Hmmm....
I wonder at the size of the gaming mat.
So, 1 pre-order exclusive mini with its own profile, 2 in the box exclusive minis the Father-Knight and Reverend-Healer, 2 starter boxes of 6 (My use of starter box. Palanca did not mention them as such nor whether they are faction or vanilla) a game mat, and an adaptation of the rulebook that is presented in campaign format,. And from the photo, 4 dice. Everything is for 3rd ed too.
Sounds really nice. Wondering about the price now.
I think multiple scenarios. Palanca mentions introducing new rules gradually during the campaign, so multiple scenarios revolving around a central stroyline.
Erasoketa wrote: It's presented as a campaign, and it will be introducing new rules as they become needed for the particular scenarios.
That makes sense - the included playing mat certainly looks too small to play a regular ~150 point battle on so I was assuming there would be scenarios included with the boxed game. So scenario one is 2 LI vs 2 LI, scenario two is 3 LI vs 3 LI, scenario 3 is 2 LI + 1 HI (or.. whatever) vs 2 LI + 1 HI (or.. whatever). Once all the scenarios are complete, the players are 'ready' to put away the gaming mat and field all 7 miniatures in their first regular game.
Knight wrote: Three supposedly new profiles? Not per side but out of all profiles included? Definitely interested in what they plan to do for a scenario.
Yep, it sounds like the two characters and the civvie.
Red Harvest wrote: You may get the special mini from sources other than CB too. So you do not need to pre-order direct from CB. Which is nice. Shipping from Spain is apalling.
No mention of the terrain included, just the mat. But Palanca does say the box contains everything needed to begin to play, and at a competitive price. Hmmm....
I wonder at the size of the gaming mat.
So, 1 pre-order exclusive mini with its own profile, 2 in the box exclusive minis the Father-Knight and Reverend-Healer, 2 starter boxes of 6 (My use of starter box. Palanca did not mention them as such nor whether they are faction or vanilla) a game mat, and an adaptation of the rulebook that is presented in campaign format,. And from the photo, 4 dice. Everything is for 3rd ed too.
Sounds really nice. Wondering about the price now.
Plus at least one template, I think. I wouldn't be surprised if the two 'starters' worth of minis are separated into two cardboard boxes (as they would be at retail) only.. the outer sleeve of the box could actually be the "terrain" silhouettes we have seen. So instead of a yellow box with the art on the front and some photos on the back, the entire thing is just one large shipping container, research block, hab module etc. Throw in two small sheets of smaller foldable crates etc for scatter terrain and you'll have more than enough to cover the area represented by the playing mat.
When did this InfinityWarcors site spring up anyway?
Ya, the photo does show a suspicious template shape and two box shapes jutting from the gaming mat. But would they do that with the starter boxes? I would suspect a couple of printed sheets that one cuts up and folds up, Ikube style.
Kind of annoyed that the special miniature is exclusive to the box set pre order. I like collecting their limited edition models. I was expecting them to do something with the book pre order as well.
-Loki- wrote: Kind of annoyed that the special miniature is exclusive to the box set pre order. I like collecting their limited edition models. I was expecting them to do something with the book pre order as well.
We've not had any info about the rulebook ordering yet. Bear in mind there's only some form of QSR shown in Icestorm, it's not N3 itself...
-Loki- wrote: Is the special mini only with the pre order of Operation Icestorm or N3 rulebook too?
The N3 Rulebook included is in a point between the normal rulebook and the QSR. It is not limited release, is a normal part of the box. It's presented as a campaign, and it will be introducing new rules as they become needed for the particular scenarios.
-Loki- wrote: Kind of annoyed that the special miniature is exclusive to the box set pre order. I like collecting their limited edition models. I was expecting them to do something with the book pre order as well.
We've not had any info about the rulebook ordering yet. Bear in mind there's only some form of QSR shown in Icestorm, it's not N3 itself...
Common sense would dictate that the two are going up together.
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I wouldn't. They dragged their feet last night on the reveal and they're doing the same today--despite it having been sitting at over 1k "Likes" for the new art since last night.
A fresh comment from Bostria about Customeeple's Helipad: the blue fences are posed in a 90º angle, but can also be posed in a 45º angle by using the outer slots. It's compatible with the MAS buildings, and a round template fits inside, so troops can land there.
Actually it seems to be that the "multispectral sensor bit" for the visor is sitting above his forehead as part of the helmet--while the actual bit that one would call the visor is right over his eyes.
Designwise it's not terrible. It would let you be able to do a bit more effective 'cover peeking' without having to expose the soft, squishy bits of your head.
I only snagged the one shot of them. The ones not holding the E/Marats actually have them folded up on their hip from the rear-shots.
I'd grab more but I'm bouncing around at work.
The only model that throws me off really is the guy on the left. It is a great model, but the whole, "Looking away from where the Emitter is pointed" just strikes me as weird.
4rgfvsw6p wrote: Folded E/Marats look weird. Where are the cables? Do they have to stop attach them every time they want to use them?
You have heard of Bluetooth, no?
I'm impressed that the Mutts are four unique pieces with unique bodies. Nice minis indeed; the amount of improvement over the previous Mutts, incalculable. Now Tuaregs, please. And the Agema is very good too. This covers the month? Agema, Mutts, Scout, Spetsnaz, Nikoul...
I wonder if these are "3D Sculpted" vs. "Traditional"?
Or maybe it just comes down to "Not Painted by Angel"?
I think the latter. Apprentice is good, but the Master is still the Master. I suppose Angel is busy painting the Icestorm box contents. So we can look forward to him trolling us (via the facebook etc) for the next few weeks. I for one welcome this sort of trolling
How good would it be though, without Angel's instruction? But bear in mind Angel has been doing this professionally for over 10 years. He was good to start with, and has only gotten better and faster.
And everybody I know who has seen his work in says the same thing. His painted minis look even better in person. So we are not even seeing the full extent of his talent.
Hmm, Maybe Bostria or Interruptor will bring some of his stuff to the NOVA?
Red Harvest wrote: How good would it be though, without Angel's instruction? But bear in mind Angel has been doing this professionally for over 10 years. He was good to start with, and has only gotten better and faster.
And everybody I know who has seen his work in says the same thing. His painted minis look even better in person. So we are not even seeing the full extent of his talent.
I think the folded-up emitters look a bit strange because, when collapsed, they seem like they should resemble a space marine drop pod if you went for the most obvious way to stow the tool for storage.. and even if the the 'petals' pair off and then the whole thing folds in half, it seems like there should be some sort of split down the middle.
But that's just me obsessing over a minor detail. They are great sculpts and I could totally justify buying them even though I don't play Haq.
Siygess wrote: I think the folded-up emitters look a bit strange because they seek like they should resemble a space marine drop pod if you went for the most obvious way to collapse the tool for storage.. and even if the the 'petals' pair off and then the whole thing folds in half, it seems like there should be some sort of split down the middle.
But that's just me obsessing over a minor detail. They are great sculpts and I could totally justify buying them even though I don't play Haq.
I was looking at that as well. And I found that if the two Up and Down blades of the Emitter fold in like a clamshell, the other two Left and Right blades fold against them, giving them the wedge sort of look.
I probably spent way too much time trying to figure that out.
Red Harvest wrote: How good would it be though, without Angel's instruction? But bear in mind Angel has been doing this professionally for over 10 years. He was good to start with, and has only gotten better and faster.
And everybody I know who has seen his work in says the same thing. His painted minis look even better in person. So we are not even seeing the full extent of his talent.
Is that... is that even possible?
It is indeed. Wonders never cease. I will ask the NOVATO about the minis. I know Interruptor brought some to the Feast of Blades last October(?), so I would imagine CB will do the same here.
Red Harvest wrote: How good would it be though, without Angel's instruction? But bear in mind Angel has been doing this professionally for over 10 years. He was good to start with, and has only gotten better and faster.
And everybody I know who has seen his work in says the same thing. His painted minis look even better in person. So we are not even seeing the full extent of his talent.
Is that... is that even possible?
It is! Saw a few of his minis on display and I practically did an impression of Arnie in Total Recall..
Chemical Cutthroat wrote: I was looking at that as well. And I found that if the two Up and Down blades of the Emitter fold in like a clamshell, the other two Left and Right blades fold against them, giving them the wedge sort of look.
I probably spent way too much time trying to figure that out.
Ah yes, I see what you mean and you are absolutely correct. Awesome sauce!
Just because you don't like something doesn't mean its stupid.
Narrative campaign.
Narrative option for a full Tunguska or Svalarheima force on each side which could easily be Tunguska/Svalarheima when those two come out with "Acheron Falls" and which could easily be Vanilla for the time remaining.
NOPE LET'S DO VANILLA INSTEAD.
Vanilla is a blight upon the game. It's like Unbound for 40k; play with whatever crap you have.
It's exactly like Unbound. It's so you can field whatever crap you have without penalty. Want to have a ton of specialists that normally you wouldn't? Play vanilla!
Kanluwen wrote: It's exactly like Unbound. It's so you can field whatever crap you have without penalty. Want to have a ton of specialists that normally you wouldn't? Play vanilla!
Makes no sense.
Vanilla started the game, sectorials came later.
You need a better analogy.
Also, that's just dumb. Seriously, you're reaching so far these days to make people side with you that vanilla is bad. It started the game, it's here to stay. Just get used to it and we won't see as many threads devolve into whinefests.
You know, some people don't play sectorials, because they don't want to.
I have no desire to play either of the 2 sectorials that are currently out for my faction, Ariadna. Never mind they have some pretty nice stuff in them, plus link teams.
I just have no desire to play either of them for either aesthetic or fluff reasons.
You're going to tell me I suck at playing Infinity and I'm wrong because "no sectorials"?
On Topic: Meh, the artwork sucks. Not that enthused with the box, because I have no interest in either faction.
Maybe it will bring in new people because of the "get it all in one place" factor. That would be good for exposure.
Mutts look cool. I'd buy em if I played Haqq. But I don't.
ski2060 wrote: You know, some people don't play sectorials, because they don't want to.
I have no desire to play either of the 2 sectorials that are currently out for my faction, Ariadna. Never mind they have some pretty nice stuff in them, plus link teams.
I just have no desire to play either of them for either aesthetic or fluff reasons.
You're going to tell me I suck at playing Infinity and I'm wrong because "no sectorials"?
Question:
Do you not play Sectorials because you do not currently have a Sectorial you like or are you genuinely using a variety of models?
ski2060 wrote: You know, some people don't play sectorials, because they don't want to.
I have no desire to play either of the 2 sectorials that are currently out for my faction, Ariadna. Never mind they have some pretty nice stuff in them, plus link teams.
I just have no desire to play either of them for either aesthetic or fluff reasons.
You're going to tell me I suck at playing Infinity and I'm wrong because "no sectorials"?
Question: Do you not play Sectorials because you do not currently have a Sectorial you like or are you genuinely using a variety of models?
Personally, I'm genuinely using a variety of models. From both sectorials available to Haqqislam and unit to vanilla.
My last list included a Sekban, an Al Hawwa and a Jannisary (Qapu Khalki), a Barid Lt and 2 Muyibs (Hassassin Bahram), a Ghulam doctor and some Nasmats (all three), Tarik Mansuri and a pair of Kum (vanilla only). It is a super fun list to play
I'd really appreciate it if you could point out the balance problems in my list, since you are so well versed in Infinity game balance, and why this is the equivalent of some of the completely ridiculously broken Unbound stuff for 40k.
Really, I would. Point out the imbalances and tell my why I'm a TFG douchebag.
ski2060 wrote: You know, some people don't play sectorials, because they don't want to.
I have no desire to play either of the 2 sectorials that are currently out for my faction, Ariadna. Never mind they have some pretty nice stuff in them, plus link teams.
I just have no desire to play either of them for either aesthetic or fluff reasons.
You're going to tell me I suck at playing Infinity and I'm wrong because "no sectorials"?
Question:
Do you not play Sectorials because you do not currently have a Sectorial you like or are you genuinely using a variety of models?
Heh, my list has Yuan Yuan, Kazaks and MRRF in it. I selected those models because I like the look of them, I like what they do and, you know. Annaconda. Granted, I'm not going to play many ITS games with that..
ski2060 wrote: You know, some people don't play sectorials, because they don't want to.
I have no desire to play either of the 2 sectorials that are currently out for my faction, Ariadna. Never mind they have some pretty nice stuff in them, plus link teams.
I just have no desire to play either of them for either aesthetic or fluff reasons.
You're going to tell me I suck at playing Infinity and I'm wrong because "no sectorials"?
Question:
Do you not play Sectorials because you do not currently have a Sectorial you like or are you genuinely using a variety of models?
Both. I don't like either sectorial, nor would I play them just for power reasons in a game. I play with every model I currently own, mainly because I'm relatively new, and I just don't feel like dropping coin on "gotta have this powerful model to play".
I play my force as a cross faction JSOC/JTF between USAriadna and RUSAriadna. I like their models, I like their fluff, and I like how they play. None of which I like about the MRRF or Caledonia.
I'll go ahead and admit I will most likely try out, and maybe even collect models for both the upcoming Ariadna sectorials. I'm not going to drop my vanilla stuff to play them exclusively though.
Edit: I realized, I do have 2 Paras in my force. I like those models, and I can envision them being seconded to a high speed unit like my task force. The other metros and such.. not so much.
ski2060 wrote: You know, some people don't play sectorials, because they don't want to.
I have no desire to play either of the 2 sectorials that are currently out for my faction, Ariadna. Never mind they have some pretty nice stuff in them, plus link teams.
I just have no desire to play either of them for either aesthetic or fluff reasons.
You're going to tell me I suck at playing Infinity and I'm wrong because "no sectorials"?
Question:
Do you not play Sectorials because you do not currently have a Sectorial you like or are you genuinely using a variety of models?
Both. I don't like either sectorial, nor would I play them just for power reasons in a game. I play with every model I currently own, mainly because I'm relatively new, and I just don't feel like dropping coin on "gotta have this powerful model to play".
I play my force as a cross faction JSOC/JTF between USAriadna and RUSAriadna. I like their models, I like their fluff, and I like how they play. None of which I like about the MRRF or Caledonia.
I'll go ahead and admit I will most likely try out, and maybe even collect models for both the upcoming Ariadna sectorials. I'm not going to drop my vanilla stuff to play them exclusively though.
See, I'm purely Corregidor Jurisdictional Command. I have no interest in "powergaming", I am pure and simple theme armies.
ski2060 wrote: You know, some people don't play sectorials, because they don't want to.
I have no desire to play either of the 2 sectorials that are currently out for my faction, Ariadna. Never mind they have some pretty nice stuff in them, plus link teams.
I just have no desire to play either of them for either aesthetic or fluff reasons.
You're going to tell me I suck at playing Infinity and I'm wrong because "no sectorials"?
Question: Do you not play Sectorials because you do not currently have a Sectorial you like or are you genuinely using a variety of models?
Both. I don't like either sectorial, nor would I play them just for power reasons in a game. I play with every model I currently own, mainly because I'm relatively new, and I just don't feel like dropping coin on "gotta have this powerful model to play".
I play my force as a cross faction JSOC/JTF between USAriadna and RUSAriadna. I like their models, I like their fluff, and I like how they play. None of which I like about the MRRF or Caledonia.
I'll go ahead and admit I will most likely try out, and maybe even collect models for both the upcoming Ariadna sectorials. I'm not going to drop my vanilla stuff to play them exclusively though.
See, I'm purely Corregidor Jurisdictional Command. I have no interest in "powergaming", I am pure and simple theme armies.
That does not mean you represent the entire Infinity gaming community, nor the future of it.
Vanilla has its place, and it's here to stay.
Please, please stop dragging threads off topic with trollbait about vanilla being broken, the equivalent of unbound, the games past, or whaever else you want to make up.
Some people play vanilla and like it. The fact you don't see pages and pages and pages of complaints about the balance of vanilla on any forum plainly tells you it's not unbalanced in the least.
I can see and respect that. I just don't think that sectorials /HAVE/ to be played to have a theme for your army.
I play mine like a a Coalition Joint Task Force in current times. High speed operators from multiple coalition forces assigned to one unit for QRF, specific HVT capture, etc.
I just don't like most of the models in Caledonia, and not really enthused for most of the French stuff either. A couple here and there look suitable, like the Paras, Zouaves, and maybe Moblots if they got some new sculpts.
I like almost everything they have for the nomads, though I really like moderators and would use them over the other cheap/cheerleader infantry, unless I was specifically looking to do some kind of coreggedor link. I heavily favor Bakunin, but I'm not going to shoehorn myself into that sectoral, there are too many neat tags and other infantry to splash in.. at least on occasion.
The joint task force nails it for me.
More to the topic, a request to those of you more familiar, which units have we seen unlocked in the image? It looks like a fusileer and.. what an ORC or something? I'm drawing a blank on the nomad units for some reason.
What is 'Unbound'? Is that some 40k reference? Oh never mind if it is.
Is the silhouette on the right of the Father-Knight silhouette an updated Croc-Man? What will we do without ugly Croc-Man to kick around anymore? :(
The nomad units in the starter were 3 alguaciles, 1 Mobile Brigada, a Zero and the (possibly uglier than Croc-Man) Securitate. I suspect this composition is changed.
Red Harvest wrote: What is 'Unbound'? Is that some 40k reference? Oh never mind if it is.
GW decided, in their infinite wisdom, to let players create armies free of not only force organisation charts, but single codex limitations as well.
Kanluwens analogy only works if you could also mix every factions vanilla lists and also take advantage of link teams and higher AVA's... in other words, it doesn't work.
, play like you always did, or more or less "take whatever". The status quo armies are better at holding objectives, the other one has potential for fluff, and probably more potential for abuse. Kind of like MTG maybe. You can have reasonable fun playing with whatever cards you have if you and your friends aren't trying too hard with deckbuilding, but when they have tournaments with "all the cards ever" it quickly boils down to maybe half a dozen uber unbeatable decks that exist to hard counter eachother . I think it's a bit more complicated than that, but I haven't felt like getting the book yet.
Oh, is that a crocman? I'm really unfamiliar with Pan-O. I'm crossing my fingers that it doesn't contain anything I already have for nomads, but I'd take more Moderators over any Auglaciles (or however you spell that), and I can't say no to Observance units.
Red Harvest wrote: What is 'Unbound'? Is that some 40k reference? Oh never mind if it is.
GW decided, in their infinite wisdom, to let players create armies free of not only force organisation charts, but single codex limitations as well.
Kanluwens analogy only works if you could also mix every factions vanilla lists and also take advantage of link teams and higher AVA's... in other words, it doesn't work.
Ah, that explains some of the angst several of my friends have about this 7th ed. I gave up at the beginning of 5th, and haven't paid attention to it since. Sounds really cheesy and a bit desperate.
I, too, would have liked to see the Svalarheim and Tunguska sectorials too, but I realize this is a starter box intended for beginners, and I'm well past the starter stage. Hundreds of points past. The starter box contents have changes too. That is a Nisse in the background on the right...
Still, if the minis are awesome (and I'm certain they will be. CB is remarkably consistent with that) and the price is right, I may get it.
I get the impression some people complain about Infinity more than they play Infinity. Shrug. Witness the toxicity of the Official forum these days.
, play like you always did, or more or less "take whatever". The status quo armies are better at holding objectives, the other one has potential for fluff, and probably more potential for abuse. Kind of like MTG maybe. You can have reasonable fun playing with whatever cards you have if you and your friends aren't trying too hard with deckbuilding, but when they have tournaments with "all the cards ever" it quickly boils down to maybe half a dozen uber unbeatable decks that exist to hard counter eachother . I think it's a bit more complicated than that, but I haven't felt like getting the book yet.
Oh, is that a crocman? I'm really unfamiliar with Pan-O. I'm crossing my fingers that it doesn't contain anything I already have for nomads, but I'd take more Moderators over any Auglaciles (or however you spell that), and I can't say no to Observance units.
Ah, you play Bakunin, Good Sir? And Alguaciles (Pronounced Ahl-Gwah-THEE*-Lays in Spain, and it means more or less Sheriffs.)
*Like a lisped S, so the TH sound as in Thing and not as in These.
My. God. Those faces. And you guys are complaining about these being inferior to Angel's painting?
Because I'm seeing those faces and thinking maybe it's time to just give up on miniature painting. I can only stand to be so inferior to the official company minis.
Red Harvest wrote: What is 'Unbound'? Is that some 40k reference? Oh never mind if it is.
GW decided, in their infinite wisdom, to let players create armies free of not only force organisation charts, but single codex limitations as well.
Kanluwens analogy only works if you could also mix every factions vanilla lists and also take advantage of link teams and higher AVA's... in other words, it doesn't work.
No, it's worse. They let you take anything from anywhere so you'd be able to take whatever you want from Ariadna and mix it with whatever you want from Haqq mixed with the cheesiest from Nomads... with no special weapon limit.. and you'd get link teams. As long as the single unit taken is legal somewhere, you can use it in unbound lists.
Red Harvest wrote: What is 'Unbound'? Is that some 40k reference? Oh never mind if it is.
GW decided, in their infinite wisdom, to let players create armies free of not only force organisation charts, but single codex limitations as well.
Kanluwens analogy only works if you could also mix every factions vanilla lists and also take advantage of link teams and higher AVA's... in other words, it doesn't work.
No, it's worse. They let you take anything from anywhere so you'd be able to take whatever you want from Ariadna and mix it with whatever you want from Haqq mixed with the cheesiest from Nomads... with no special weapon limit.. and you'd get link teams. As long as the single unit taken is legal somewhere, you can use it in unbound lists.
That is what I said... Maybe 'higher AVA's wasn't specific enough? Basically everything is AVA: Total.
Though your comment about special weapon limit is wrong. Special weapon cost is another points cost. It's not a suggestion. If you break the SWC, your list is flat out illegal. This would be like allowing Unbound armies to break the points limit.
Chemical Cutthroat wrote: Its funny, because if Angel didn't exist, and it was just his Padawan, this stuff would still look DAMN good. Way better than I'm capable of.
The shadow that poor painter is living under must be crushing.
When I tell people "I want to paint like an angel", I mean Angel Giraldez.
And vanilla is OP? Like, the default setting of the game?! WWwwwwhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaat. Are we even playing the same game?
Anyway, those minis look good. I think you don't see Kat Dennings, Loki, because her main uh, defining characteristic is hidden with the model's E/Marat in that angle. And her usual hair is darker than that shade of brown.
The paint job seems simply less glossy/pristine than Angel's work. It may not necessarily be Angel-quality, but that doesn't mean they're bad.
The paint job looks "dirty" in a good way. These aren't pristine soldiers. These are moderately trained grunts specialized as field technicians working in a dirty desert environment. Their man-skirts, thigh-leather, and leg armor is chipped and dirty. The cleaner shirts and face/skin look exceptional. The paint style fits these parts excellently. It's only the guns and E/Marats and metal bits that look less shiny than Angel's work.
Also, it's strange than the men have skirts while the women have pants.
EDIT: Here's a BoW close-up image:
The dirt and imperfections look deliberate and are only on the lower region. It works great there. It's only the parts we expect to be Angel-shiny that look imperfect.
But we're grasping at straws looking for something to complain about. The paint job is exceptional, our critique is amateur, and the models are something I (and many others) will gladly buy.
Absolutionis wrote: Also, it's strange than the men have skirts while the women have pants.
The men are wearing the same pants as the women. You can see the ribbed area inside the thigh and cargo pockets on both. The men are just also wearing something skirtlike.
I'm pretty chuffed with those. While I was originally against doing 2 using their E/Marats, that was because I originally thought they'd keep them as the plunger triggered backpack. Seems the backpack is the jammer (as it does a radial effect from the user) while the E/Marat is the radar like thing (which is a directed template). The two using their E/Marats look great.
Though, I still don't see Kat Dennings in the second female. People keep repeating it (and I know I was the one that pasted the rumour here from the official boards) but I really just don't see it.
heartserenade wrote: Anyway, those minis look good. I think you don't see Kat Dennings, Loki, because her main uh, defining characteristic is hidden with the model's E/Marat in that angle. And her usual hair is darker than that shade of brown.
I'm pretty sure that's Hipster Mutt with the deployed dish weapon. I think Kat Dennings is the Shotgun girl. I'm surprised though. I actually really like the girls. There isn't even any chessecake about them. No bare midriffs, no awkward pinup poses. Too bad I have no interest in the Mutts. Looks like the Agema is the only one I'm really liking this month.
Bringing things back to Icestorm for a moment, what is that helmeted Nomad that's hovering? Is that a Zero or a Spektr?
I just noticed, it looks kind of like the Fusilier is using the new type PanO Combi Rifle. I like their more angular design.
heartserenade wrote: Anyway, those minis look good. I think you don't see Kat Dennings, Loki, because her main uh, defining characteristic is hidden with the model's E/Marat in that angle. And her usual hair is darker than that shade of brown.
Are we talking about the same one? The one with glasses is based on a Spanish fashion blogger, complete with glasses and scarf. The shotgun model would be the one apparently based on Kat Dennings.
The face is all wrong. It really just doesn't look like her. Also, if you want to get into those assets (I know I wouldn't mind) they wouldn't fit behind the shotgun pulled to her chest.
Oh, that's her? Okay, it really doesn't look like her at all then.
Care to put photos of said Spanish fashion blogger?
Anyway, maybe the bare sculpt is more accurate? A lot can change when you paint the face, from my experience. I mean, almost all Haqq players have painted the Ghulam girl and they all look like different women each time (for me, at least). A different shade, a different stroke and you can really alter how the face looks. This is why I have to study how to apply makeup: so that I know how to contour and highlight certain parts of the model's face to get the "shape" I want.
It's exactly like Unbound. It's so you can field whatever crap you have without penalty. Want to have a ton of specialists that normally you wouldn't? Play vanilla!
Firstly, I think considering the amount of time we both spend communicating on these forums, you could possibly be a bit more civil?
Secondly, no it's not anything at all alike. AVA restricts usage of units, which stops you from significantly featuring the specialised, sectorial-focused miniatures in the generic list. It's not a carte-blanche for throwing anything you like down on the table.
-Loki- wrote: Gee, doing vanilla in a starter pack. it's almost like they're aiming it at new people.
Gee, it's almost like they're doing a narrative campaign and screwing the narrative.
Gee, it's almost like some one being claming I KNOW it is sectional. Then being mad their wrong, while everyone else was saying it is a starter there is no way it will be sectional, it meant to show case the rules for new players.
It's exactly like Unbound. It's so you can field whatever crap you have without penalty. Want to have a ton of specialists that normally you wouldn't? Play vanilla!
Firstly, I think considering the amount of time we both spend communicating on these forums, you could possibly be a bit more civil?
Yeah, and Alph wonders why things get hostile when Kan gets fired up.
Darm after the video I would want to have the box just because I like the fashion blogger sculpt... but I don't like Ghazzi and the E/Marat. Decisions, decisions.
Erm, what are the mecha foot like things they're carrying?
E/Marats. They point them at things that are electronic and fire waves of EMP out of them. So TAGs, Heavy Infantry, intricate guns and tech gadgets, etc.
Ángel's padawan, DAF, is a staff member of CB. He worked there before starting to paint for them too. Concerning Ángel, I know that sometimes he used to paint either at CB facilities or at his own house. I guess he currently paints at CB more often, since his anouncement on exclusivity.
Erm, what are the mecha foot like things they're carrying?
E/Marats. They point them at things that are electronic and fire waves of EMP out of them. So TAGs, Heavy Infantry, intricate guns and tech gadgets, etc.
I think they look stupid, which is a shame since I'm a fan of the head sculpts.
Red Harvest wrote: ? What will we do without ugly Croc-Man to kick around anymore? :(
We will always have memories.
Certain armies get better mileage out of general forces, easier access camouflage, warbands and certain few have specialists others can only dream.
I'm liking new PanO design, though I fear everything will look somewhat the same.
Memories, and some pretty good comic strips
warboss wrote: So apparently the aficionados don't know his work as well as they thought?
Apparently we don't But you have to admit, these are not up to Angel's usual standard. Deliberate?
Those Mutts are looking better and better as minis though. This month's winner, I think, is the boarding shottie Mutt. Now, for July, we are getting the preview of the Operation Icestorm minis, no? And maybe the LE Penny?
I like the idea that it is set on Svalarheim. We had a campaign set on Paradiso, a contested world, and now we'll see a campaign set on another contested world. A lot of potential for cool terrain. I wonder if that ice table which Magno made influenced Interruptor.... it did involve Nomads v. Pan-O. Ah, here it is: http://infinitythegame.com/forum/index.php?/topic/13905-svarleheima-geo-luminescent-table/
This is going to sound like an odd compliment, but whoever decided to have the 360 degree rotation at a reasonable speed, thank you. More often than not companies seem like the put the video on fast forward.
Beautiful models, love the goggles. and manly beards.
It's interesting that the concept art lists the Jammer as the radar looking thing, and doesn't list the E/Marat at all.
The Jammer isn't a directed weapon. It just emits a radius of jamming effect (circular template over the user) and the user 'tunes in' to one person by selecting a single model under the template. The E/Marat is a directed weapon (teardrop template) that is pointed at something before sending out waves of EMP. Mislabelled concept art?
Erm, what are the mecha foot like things they're carrying?
E/Marats. They point them at things that are electronic and fire waves of EMP out of them. So TAGs, Heavy Infantry, intricate guns and tech gadgets, etc.
I think they look stupid, which is a shame since I'm a fan of the head sculpts.
That's fair enough, but it's worth remembering that Haqqislam is near the bottom of the ladder regarding mechanical technology. Their best stuff is bought from other factions, and Ghazi Muttawi'ah are right at the bottom of the list of people to get good tech. They're the lowest of the low, using the lowest tech available. It's not going to look sleek and sexy.
Erm, what are the mecha foot like things they're carrying?
E/Marats. They point them at things that are electronic and fire waves of EMP out of them. So TAGs, Heavy Infantry, intricate guns and tech gadgets, etc.
I think they look stupid, which is a shame since I'm a fan of the head sculpts.
That's fair enough, but it's worth remembering that Haqqislam is near the bottom of the ladder regarding mechanical technology. Their best stuff is bought from other factions, and Ghazi Muttawi'ah are right at the bottom of the list of people to get good tech. They're the lowest of the low, using the lowest tech available. It's not going to look sleek and sexy.
I get your point, but I still don't think it should look like a weapon from a terrible 1950s sci fi movie.
Erm, what are the mecha foot like things they're carrying?
E/Marats. They point them at things that are electronic and fire waves of EMP out of them. So TAGs, Heavy Infantry, intricate guns and tech gadgets, etc.
I think they look stupid, which is a shame since I'm a fan of the head sculpts.
That's fair enough, but it's worth remembering that Haqqislam is near the bottom of the ladder regarding mechanical technology. Their best stuff is bought from other factions, and Ghazi Muttawi'ah are right at the bottom of the list of people to get good tech. They're the lowest of the low, using the lowest tech available. It's not going to look sleek and sexy.
I get your point, but I still don't think it should look like a weapon from a terrible 1950s sci fi movie.
Why, CB shown they like the 50's sci fi look on more them one model.
Piston Honda wrote: This is going to sound like an odd compliment, but whoever decided to have the 360 degree rotation at a reasonable speed, thank you. More often than not companies seem like the put the video on fast forward.
Beautiful models, love the goggles. and manly beards.
They, CB, recently acquired a 3d camera that does this sort of thing. A very nice way to showcase the minis. Bostria (Carlos Llauger) is the one who does the photography. IIRC.
Red Harvest wrote: They, CB, recently acquired a 3d camera that does this sort of thing. A very nice way to showcase the minis. Bostria (Carlos Llauger) is the one who does the photography. IIRC.
More accurately, they upgraded their dSLR to one that can shoot decent video and also got a good motorised turntable. There's no actual '3D' involved for the turnarounds.
Well here's the Nikoul. We know it has Symbiont Armor, Viral Sniper Rifle, Minelayer, and Sapper....as if that wasn't enough it also has Multispectral Visor Level 1.
That's awesome!
Given their usual release timelines after showing an image like this, when will this likely be for sale stateside?
Late July or early August.
One more question- is that the new 55mm base in the above pic, or just a 40mm base?
I have to find a 55mm base for my Gorgos, so if this needs one too I'll just pick up two.
Edit: Okay, last one . But is it reasonable to guess that the above model is separate from the base, and could be somewhat easily put on a different base?
It's a 40mm base. Sappers go on 40mm, most of the TAGs(Geckos and Maghribas are the exclusion--Geckos are on 40mm and Maghribas are on 80mm) are 55mm bases.
Sappers generally are separate from their base; but they won't look as good separate.
Yup. Loosest guess is it's one of the two Heavy Infantry from Operation: Icestorm; which will likely be revealed anywhere from July 26th to the 30th since it's a prize at Interplanetary in Vigo, Spain during that timeframe.
Red Harvest wrote: They, CB, recently acquired a 3d camera that does this sort of thing. A very nice way to showcase the minis. Bostria (Carlos Llauger) is the one who does the photography. IIRC.
More accurately, they upgraded their dSLR to one that can shoot decent video and also got a good motorised turntable. There's no actual '3D' involved for the turnarounds.
I thought it sounded odd when I first read it somewhere else...or did I read 360 degree . No matter. Thanks for the clarification IJW
Something from Operation:Icestorm, since that is what is up in the painting queue. Everything needs to be done ASAP for the Inter-Planetary. But the miniature containing boxes have photos of the painted minis on them, normally. Perhaps the minis are already painted and photographed, and the photos off to the printers... Unless there is something else is up with the boxes in Icestorm... No matter. This will be a very interesting July
looks exactly the same as Raktorak foot but why in green ?
Because that shot is the Raktorak foot? The guy who posted it on the official board cut that out to show the similarities between the teaser shot and Morat medium infantry footwear and chose the Raktorak from the starter, using a photo from his painting log.
Oh bad assumption on my part, just saw a lot of new things coming out and assumed. Well in that case I'd just get them through normal channels, but I do like the box sets, usually a reasonable discount involved.
We're gonna get at least one new one. The Panzerfaust model is okay-ish still (although I would want a different pose) but the Hacker and HMG one really needs an update. I really doubt CB would release them as their old incarnates.
Those are the likely candidates, but perhaps they will sneak in a (new) much needed missile launcher instead of the hacker or panzerfaust. I hope they do. They are bound to be resculpts.
Yeah, I can run anything as a Hacker. Same as I can run anyone as a Doctor. But I can't just point at a guy and say, "Now that guy has a Missile Launcher". So I'm hoping ML.
Chemical Cutthroat wrote: Yeah, I can run anything as a Hacker. Same as I can run anyone as a Doctor. But I can't just point at a guy and say, "Now that guy has a Missile Launcher". So I'm hoping ML.
Technically you can, as long as he has the other parts of the profile. He does not need to be holding/firing it.
That's why the one Briscard in the boxed set has an Assault Pistol, allowing you to have a Forward Observer or Paramedic or a second HRL model.
Considering lately we haven't been getting Panzerfaust models in Haqqislam and Hackers can be proxied pretty easily (is there even an actual hacking device on the Druze 'hacker' model?), and the Doctor is already in the support box, I'm expecting:
GrimDork wrote: No basic rifles though? Seems like they tend to include those in sets, but I'm not terribly familiar with the unit's profiles.
As Kan said, basic rifles are a starter box thing now. They always have 3 line infantry with rifles. Occasionally they release them for sale in blisters (the updated Ghulam rifles are in a blister still as well as the starter) but once N3 is out I assume they will crack down on streamlining this stuff. New convention is 3 rifles in the starter, special weapon box to round out the unit profiles.
Another theme I've been seeing is sectorial boxes tend to have one model from a 5 man link, with a 4 man link box and/or set of blisters to expand to a full link team. Hassassin Barham + Muyib box, Qapu Khalki + Odalisque box (and even Djanbazan blisters), Bakunin + Reverend Moira box, ISS + Wu Ming box, etc.
I noticed that about the sectorial starter and 4 troop box as well, was just looking over some stuff. The 4 unit box works well for that, and they usually sell an individual to round it out too, so a solid set up either way you approach it. The newer Moiras (Moiren, Moirai?) look pretty cool too, though I'm a bit skittish about taking them in a big fat link.
I guess I was jumbling the 3 infantry blister and the 4 infantry boxes, now that you guys point it out, I realize better what I was looking at.
GrimDork wrote: I noticed that about the sectorial starter and 4 troop box as well, was just looking over some stuff. The 4 unit box works well for that, and they usually sell an individual to round it out too, so a solid set up either way you approach it. The newer Moiras (Moiren, Moirai?) look pretty cool too, though I'm a bit skittish about taking them in a big fat link.
When you see a single model from a sectorial link (like the Sekban HRL) as a blister, it's because it's not in the starter. Links that have a model in the starter won't get individual blisters, because that 5th model is in the starter.
GrimDork wrote: I guess I was jumbling the 3 infantry blister and the 4 infantry boxes, now that you guys point it out, I realize better what I was looking at.
The blister is a relic of the past. Some older factions have the 3 line infantry as a blister still, but newer releases only have them in the box. They will do a limited run of blisters if the box is mostly repacks (like the Neoterra starter), but overall rifle line infantry will be in starter boxes. Starter box + special weapon box will give you all (or almost all) of the factions basic line infatry profiles.
All this is CB streamlining the game away from hundreds of blister pack SKUs to a smaller amount of boxed SKUs, for two reasons. A smaller amount of SKUs with a lot of boxes makes it easier for shops to stock, both in needed space and in making it easier to find what they want to stock. Second, boxes apparently sell better - bigger packaging, flashier art, etc.
Boxes tend to be cheaper too, do they not? Well, I mean, bulk in general. Just that boxes come with larger volume than blisters typically. I know when I'm looking for something new to buy I start with faction/sectorial starters and then look at boxes before moving down to smaller groupings.
Yes. Going by what I seem to pay in my FLGS, buying a box of 4 is about 25% cheaper than 4 individual blisters.
However, then you come to the problem of perhaps only actually wanting 1 from the box. In which case you need to find someone offering split box services like Shae.
It looks like next month's releases are going to be much better. I'll have to get one of those Yu Jing guys for sure.
About the Ghulam, isn't the Hacker figure a more recent sculpt? He doesn't actually look that bad. Certainly better than, say, the old Najarun Engineer. I actually kind of like the current Hacker.
Barzam wrote: About the Ghulam, isn't the Hacker figure a more recent sculpt?
No, it's pretty old. The newer old sculpt is the Panzerfaust. It's better proportioned (though unfortunately sculpted) but still has the older armour design with the hairdryer vent on the back.
Another theme I've been seeing is sectorial boxes tend to have one model from a 5 man link, with a 4 man link box and/or set of blisters to expand to a full link team. Hassassin Barham + Muyib box, Qapu Khalki + Odalisque box (and even Djanbazan blisters), Bakunin + Reverend Moira box, ISS + Wu Ming box, etc.
To be fair, that wasn't the case until really recently.
The QK box including the Odalisque Spitfire is because they wanted to remove the Odalisque blister, the Reverend Moira, Muyib, and Wu Ming boxes were made after the starter boxes themselves were made.
Another theme I've been seeing is sectorial boxes tend to have one model from a 5 man link, with a 4 man link box and/or set of blisters to expand to a full link team. Hassassin Barham + Muyib box, Qapu Khalki + Odalisque box (and even Djanbazan blisters), Bakunin + Reverend Moira box, ISS + Wu Ming box, etc.
To be fair, that wasn't the case until really recently.
The QK box including the Odalisque Spitfire is because they wanted to remove the Odalisque blister, the Reverend Moira, Muyib, and Wu Ming boxes were made after the starter boxes themselves were made.
I know. I just forgot to say 'recently' when I said 'another theme I've been seeing...'.
I like both practices. While some people poo poo line infantry, I do like running them. It was always annoying when your preferred special weapon never got a blister release. Now with these boxes there's a much better chance of getting your preferred weapon - and a few more if you like variety of options. And if you wind up with a few points to spare in vanilla, upgrading that Ghulam to a sniper is a good way to add a bigger but cheaper threat without going with a completely new, but probably more expensive unit.
With sectorials, link teams are a main feature of them - the strength they gain for losing so much variety. So making it that much easier to get a full link team going as easily as possible is always a good move. If you're running Hassassin Bahram, you're probably running a Muyib link. Being able to buy the starter + the link box is a great way to get a new player into a sectorial.
That dude looks pretty butch, a nice chunky model which is refreshing in a way. Maybe he's one of those things from MiB, with different anatomy. Or he's just that much of a badass
GrimDork wrote: That dude looks pretty butch, a nice chunky model which is refreshing in a way. Maybe he's one of those things from MiB, with different anatomy. Or he's just that much of a badass
He's a Morat. He's just that much of a badass.
Go look at the Daturazi Witch Soldiers and tell me you don't feel less manly looking at those. Morats (at least males) all look like they could pick a human up and tear them in half. And then on top of that this guys in powered armour.
Yeah Morats are pretty scary, especially the fancy new ones. And they aren't like... stupid right? Like a lot of alien brutes tend to be? Cause if they're not stupid, AND that beastly, pretty frightening.
GrimDork wrote: Yeah Morats are pretty scary, especially the fancy new ones. And they aren't like... stupid right? Like a lot of alien brutes tend to be? Cause if they're not stupid, AND that beastly, pretty frightening.
They're certainly not stupid. They have very aggressive military tactics, but they're by no means the hulking unintelligent brute. A lot of Morat units become Impetuous though, which means they basically get all bloodcrazy after a kill and start moving towards the closest enemy units... regardless of how smart that would be.
GrimDork wrote: Yeah Morats are pretty scary, especially the fancy new ones. And they aren't like... stupid right? Like a lot of alien brutes tend to be? Cause if they're not stupid, AND that beastly, pretty frightening.
Nah, the trope of big stupid lumbering hulk that communicates with only grunting sounds doesn't hold with them. Culturally they embrace total war as their mondus operandi, basically this race enjoys breaking obstacles rather than seeking alternatives.
I have 2 questions about this guy. 1)He's got the HMG, does that mean he'll be replacing the existing HMG Suryat figure? 2)Back to being on a 25mm base?
Barzam wrote: I have 2 questions about this guy. 1)He's got the HMG, does that mean he'll be replacing the existing HMG Suryat figure? 2)Back to being on a 25mm base?
1) Yes.
2) It was never not on 25 mm? Are you mixing up Sogarat and Suryat?
Is that the redsign Mobile Brigada? Please PLEASE tell me that's the redesign of the Mobile Brigada!
Also looks like the new ORC trooper on the left, but you can't see a whole lot of him. Doesn't look like that one has chaned much (which is good, old ORC was a great design, just needed to be posed better. Forearm armor looks a bit sleeker.
Can't wait to see actual pics of the models for this
Rackham made a couple of starter boxes for Confrontation 3 towards the end of its days, each with 2 boxes of metal miniatures, which sounds a bit like this.
Can't think of anything still in production though.
I believe so. At least for Sci Fi. CB knows metal very well.
The Reverend-Healer does not resemble either Custodier or Moira. Really nice artwork. The Akalis' presence may a bit irskome though, if the only way to get it is through the vanilla starter, or if it has a unique load-out. OTOH, new Akalis sculpt? Yay. And whither Croc-man?
Is the Securitate just as ugly as always under that helmet? If so, I too love that helmet
sing your life wrote: So, is Operation Icestorm the only 2 player starter box for a miniature game currently available using full metal?
Heavy Gear has a completely metal starter and the line (except for larger vehicles the size of tags and such) is exclusively metal.
I'm sniffing a bit of under-bridge lurking nefarious activity from a large and smelly creature from European folk-lore as the motivation for asking that question, but I will add another to the list - the Judge Dredd starter set from Warlord Games is all-metal.
Red Harvest wrote: The Akalis' presence may a bit irskome though, if the only way to get it is through the vanilla starter, or if it has a unique load-out. OTOH, new Akalis sculpt? Yay. And whither Croc-man?
AD deployment is a lot easier for new players to grasp than TO camo
That securitate... they went from the funky beret thing to that? Damn, they're really wanting me to play Tunguska whenever it comes out now aren't they. Very cool, and the two pistols are rather dashing.
I'll probably have to get this for sure now. It has everything in the vanilla Nomad starter but the zero, and I've already got one of those anyway, and new (hopefully more appealing) sculpts for the line infantry and HI who can also team up with my recently ordered Kaplans.
Not to mention I've been wanting to paint an ORC for a while.
Red Harvest wrote: The Akalis' presence may a bit irskome though, if the only way to get it is through the vanilla starter, or if it has a unique load-out. OTOH, new Akalis sculpt? Yay. And whither Croc-man?
AD deployment is a lot easier for new players to grasp than TO camo
Red Harvest wrote: The Akalis' presence may a bit irskome though, if the only way to get it is through the vanilla starter, or if it has a unique load-out. OTOH, new Akalis sculpt? Yay. And whither Croc-man?
AD deployment is a lot easier for new players to grasp than TO camo
TO camo is as easy to understand as regular camo, it is just -6 to BS instead of -3, and a few other minor things. Hidden Deployment , OTOH, can be as much a pain as AD: 1-3. You do not need to use hidden deployment with TO Camo.
I was speaking as an ASA player. A new Akalis in the starter box is irksome because I may just want to get that mini, without all the rest... Oh, who am I kidding? I'll probably get this Icestorm anyway.
Is the Securitate just as ugly as always under that helmet? If so, I too love that helmet
As a painter who tried making the Securitate's face more beautiful than it actually is, I salute this comment.
I really tried making her cuter. I really did.
Spoiler:
As for the ORCs though, they're one of the old sculpts that has aged really really REALLY well. If I was a PanO player I wouldn't mind if they don't get new sculpts at all.
GrimDork wrote: That securitate... they went from the funky beret thing to that?
Unless we have concept art with Securitate wearing those helmets, I seriously doubt that that's what the front unit in the Icestorm picture is.
Kanluwen, from what did you draw the conclusion that the frontmost dude is Securitate? Was the listing posted somewhere or is that your own conclusion?
The concepts I've seen so far had boxy hats, not helmets. It also lacks the shoulder-lantern thingy in the existing Securitate concept art (which concept may have been superceded, but was good enough that I would guess they kept it).
Looks a lot more like a Zero, but with the Prowler that'd be a lot of camo on one side. Whatever the unit actually is, it's dual-wielding pistols (assault pistols maybe?), which is interesting.
GrimDork wrote: That securitate... they went from the funky beret thing to that?
Unless we have concept art with Securitate wearing those helmets, I seriously doubt that that's what the front unit in the Icestorm picture is.
Kanluwen, from what did you draw the conclusion that the frontmost dude is Securitate? Was the listing posted somewhere or is that your own conclusion?
The concepts I've seen so far had boxy hats, not helmets. It also lacks the shoulder-lantern thingy in the existing Securitate concept art (which concept may have been superceded, but was good enough that I would guess they kept it).
Looks a lot more like a Zero, but with the Prowler that'd be a lot of camo on one side. Whatever the unit actually is, it's dual-wielding pistols (assault pistols maybe?), which is interesting.
Heh...I register to coment on that one.
It dosnt look like Securitate at all(that first guy from Icestorm), and there are only 2 models having Assault Pistols in profile(Morlock and Wildcat with HRL) so new profile for existing mini or new mini.
Btw I dig that concept for Securitate, looks good and nomad.
GrimDork wrote: That securitate... they went from the funky beret thing to that?
Unless we have concept art with Securitate wearing those helmets, I seriously doubt that that's what the front unit in the Icestorm picture is.
Kanluwen, from what did you draw the conclusion that the frontmost dude is Securitate? Was the listing posted somewhere or is that your own conclusion?
My own conclusion.
A large part of it comes from the fact that according to an interview they did last week mentioned how they "wanted each mission of the campaign to introduce new elements, gradually, to the game and be a learning experience for new players". As it stands right now?
We have Aerial Deployment from the Akali, we have Multispectral Visor from the Nisse, we have Thermal-Optic Camouflage and Infiltrator from the Spektr, seemingly we might have Doctor from the two characters("Father-Knight" of a specific Order, namely the Hospitaller and a "Reverend Healer"), and you could easily introduce Link Teams since there are 3 Fusiliers and 3 Alguaciles.
The only component of the game which is important to learn would be Hacking and potentially Repeaters--both of which Securitate would deliver, which would also be a 'soft counter' to the Akalis(you can Hack AD) and/or the ORC in the same way that MSV L1(which is said to be getting a significant buff against TO Camo) on the Nisse could potentially be a counter to the Spektr.
Add to it that at best guess (figuring in a Securitate Hacker), the Nomad list comes out to 138 points and .5 SWC for the six models that we know. The PanO list comes out to 1.5 SWC (Nisse with MSR) 134 points. Something about it feels right.
The concepts I've seen so far had boxy hats, not helmets. It also lacks the shoulder-lantern thingy in the existing Securitate concept art (which concept may have been superceded, but was good enough that I would guess they kept it).
It has been. The concepts you posted are waaaay old.
That is the most recent, confirmed "design sketch" we have of the new Securitate.
Looks a lot more like a Zero, but with the Prowler that'd be a lot of camo on one side. Whatever the unit actually is, it's dual-wielding pistols (assault pistols maybe?), which is interesting.
Doesn't really mean anything. It's just "cool art" as far as I can tell, since that Fusilier chick in the background is toting a Spitfire(which they can't do now).
Also there is no Prowler or Zero in there. That is a Spektr, Tunguska's signature TO Camo Infiltrator.
Now, certainly it could be something new but we've been given a hard number of "three new profiles in the box". The Father-Knight and Reverend Healer are two of those, at the least, leaving just one slot for something else. Depending upon what they are counting as "new" or if the VIP/nonaffiliated model is getting rules of its own.
There's always the chance that it is a Grenzer, the new Tunguska Skirmisher(we know it has MSV L1, that's it)...but as I said this feels right.
That's some pretty old concept art that Savnok posted, from years ago. It's like seeing the new Kum riders and arguing that it couldn't be possibly be Kum riders because kum ride monocycles. CB has proven that they're OK with revising the look of models if they think it improves them.
Hate to agree with Kan, but he makes some pretty solid arguments here
Hmmm. I can see the list-balance argument, but the appearance isn't anywhere near the pretty-well-established Securitate concepts: so a new unit is more likely.
It does look a bit like the crouching female zero with the E/Mauler or whatever it is in her hand, as well as the Zero hacker. Two eyes in the otherwise-smooth mask, etc. That's the possible Zero I was talking about. The chest armor is different though as are the magazines near the waist... and it's got the Tron-y bits that seem to be more common on the new Tunguska minis. Hmmm.
Tangent: As for MSV1 getting a buff against TO Camo: that's interesting. Is that for a public source we might read? Not a great move for balance IMO, and I say that as a guy who has largely foregone MSV2 in favor of MSV1s whenever possible. Intuitive Attack is already a great option for lower-tech forces (which tend to have lots of chainrifles) to use to deal with TO.
Barzam wrote: I have 2 questions about this guy. 1)He's got the HMG, does that mean he'll be replacing the existing HMG Suryat figure? 2)Back to being on a 25mm base?
1) Yes.
2) It was never not on 25 mm? Are you mixing up Sogarat and Suryat?
You know what? That's exactly what I did. I mistook him for the Sogarat. I do really like him though. I ought to buy one. I'm curious to see how the Vulcan Shotgun turns out.
As for Operation: Icestorm, holy crap! Those all look neat. I'm loving the new look for the Securitate. I hope the actual miniature is dual wielding pistols like the artwork. I also hope that we see some of those new designs make their way into blisters or troop boxes.
I find it interesting that the new Mobile Brigada looks an awful lot like the Iguana pilot. I liked the old design for the Mobile Brigada, but this new one looks way cooler.
Hopefully this new Spektr will actually be in a decent pose, unlike the other ones.
I'm liking the new ORC and the new Rao-styled Akali. The Nisses I don't care that much about, nor the Fusilier. What's the blonde girl supposed to be though? She's got a Spitfire, so I doubt she's supposed to be a Fusilier.
Man, I want units from both sides, but I'm likely going to be splitting the set with either Tambulaine if I can talk him into it or my cousin.
Savnock wrote: Hmmm. I can see the list-balance argument, but the appearance isn't anywhere near the pretty-well-established Securitate concepts: so a new unit is more likely.
That's the problem...the "well-established Securitate concept" is dead. We have it confirmed that the art I linked is for the Securitate.
Tangent: As for MSV1 getting a buff against TO Camo: that's interesting. Is that for a public source we might read? Not a great move for balance IMO, and I say that as a guy who has largely foregone MSV2 in favor of MSV1s whenever possible. Intuitive Attack is already a great option for lower-tech forces (which tend to have lots of chainrifles) to use to deal with TO.
It was offhandedly mentioned in the interview they did with BoW, I believe.
I find it interesting that the new Mobile Brigada looks an awful lot like the Iguana pilot. I liked the old design for the Mobile Brigada, but this new one looks way cooler.
Savnock wrote: Hmmm. I can see the list-balance argument, but the appearance isn't anywhere near the pretty-well-established Securitate concepts: so a new unit is more likely.
That's the problem...the "well-established Securitate concept" is dead. We have it confirmed that the art I linked is for the Securitate.
The artwork you linked is still part of the same "well-established Securitate concept". You know, the one with the hat. Not a smooth faceplate. That one. The only one to date, which has been the same from the old box through the various stages we each cited.
Although the prominent earpiece/mic miiiiiight also play to the Securitate thing. The duster and the gunfighter stance too... So who knows.
I really don't think it's Securitate. We'll see if a few days, probably. This probably calls for a bet of a beverage at a national Infinity event, though
Heh, I thought you were referring to the jumpsuit.
I don't think Corvus Belli is really going to be too fussed about the hat. After all look at the old PanO starter and the Fusilier with the half-opened helmet.
There is some talk in the spanish forum saying that the double pistol guy is either a "Grenzer" (Black Hand guy) or a Criza/kriza Borac (Tunguskan MI) so that all four Nomad sectorials appear in the starter
I'm pretty sure I've heard something (maybe in the Ficzone interviews?) about the Grenzers being a Black Hand LI and the Criza/Kriza Boracs being the Tunguska MI, I'm not saying that Black Hand will have its own sectorial but that the double pistol guy may be a Black Hand (also, the church is also in the box so maybe CB is aiming at having all nomad sub-factions in the box? I dont know)
EDIT: Okay, looks like I got everything wrong, Grenzers are the Tunguskan MI (and they get MV1 which has been told to be better after N3) and Criza/Kriza Boraks are the only confirmed Black Hand unit (and we only know the name).
2nd EDIT: Oh and all of this info comes from Ashep (a guy in the spanish forum) who ambushed Bostria in Telepizza afer the first round of the tourney and bombarded him with all kinds of questions about Tunguska.
Who knows when they come up with the design. I wouldn't grow any hope for PanOceania getting anything new, besides yet another religious knight in heavy armour.
aldo wrote: There is some talk in the spanish forum saying that the double pistol guy is either a "Grenzer" (Black Hand guy) or a Criza/kriza Borac (Tunguskan MI) so that all four Nomad sectorials appear in the starter
pd: Oh, and hello to everyone
Kriza Borac are Heavy Infantry and were said to have Black Hand ties.
Grenzer were, as of the last info dump we got about them, Tunguskan LI.
So here I am, looking at how to build a Morat list out of the starter, Vanguard special weapon box and the Suryat. Throw in my other favorite CA model, the Medtech... Crap. I'm going to start Morats aren't I?
-Loki- wrote: So here I am, looking at how to build a Morat list out of the starter, Vanguard special weapon box and the Suryat. Throw in my other favorite CA model, the Medtech... Crap. I'm going to start Morats aren't I?
My resistance already cracked. I just bought the Morat starter, the Zerats and the worm last night.
aldo wrote: There is some talk in the spanish forum saying that the double pistol guy is either a "Grenzer" (Black Hand guy) or a Criza/kriza Borac (Tunguskan MI) so that all four Nomad sectorials appear in the starter
pd: Oh, and hello to everyone
Kriza Borac are Heavy Infantry and were said to have Black Hand ties.
Grenzer were, as of the last info dump we got about them, Tunguskan LI.
Yes, sorry, looks like I got everythig the wrong way
-Loki- wrote: So here I am, looking at how to build a Morat list out of the starter, Vanguard special weapon box and the Suryat. Throw in my other favorite CA model, the Medtech... Crap. I'm going to start Morats aren't I?
Join the Mighty Monkey Force (of Doom!), we have bananas. I love all the new Morat stuff coming out but I'm so behind in collecting my CA that I'm picking up the old stuff before it's discontinued. I'm trying my best to resist starting Nomads... I'll just get the Icestorm box and stop there... yea...
Must paint Haaq before starting Morats
Must paint Haaq before starting Morats
Must paint Haaq before starting Morats
Must paint Haaq before starting Morats
Alpharius wrote: I'm not sure I can say either way, but can I ask why it would matter?
Just curious!
There's a number of reasons why companies go with plastic for starter boxes for their miniature games. many companies that still use metal do so because it's much cheaper to tool molds for metal even though the metal material is more expensive than plastic. A starter box is likely to get high sales compared to anything else in the range, so the higher initial cost of plastic molds is made invalid. Plastics are also easier to work with for beginners than metal.
Privateer Press said in the MK1 rulebook [back when plastics were confined to GW and 20mm, not today] they weren't going to do plastic miniatures. They have a plastic 2 player starter set for each of their games.
Is it bad that I have to regularly convince myself not to buy the Kum riders every time someone posts the pics in the thread? I don't play Shadowrun RPG yet I keep wanting to add one model to my collection to keep my WHFB Ogre Maneater Troll Street Shaman and friends company. Over the past few years, I've done a great job at not only not buying but actually selling off most of the minis I've picked up on a lark for tabletop games I don't actually play and never will (warzone, doom, shockforce, etc) but I find myself drawn now to minis for RPGs that I don't. I guess it is still an improvement if I only buy single or double minis instead of whole units, starter, and armies... so yay?
Alpharius wrote: I'm not sure I can say either way, but can I ask why it would matter?
Just curious!
There's a number of reasons why companies go with plastic for starter boxes for their miniature games. many companies that still use metal do so because it's much cheaper to tool molds for metal even though the metal material is more expensive than plastic. A starter box is likely to get high sales compared to anything else in the range, so the higher initial cost of plastic molds is made invalid. Plastics are also easier to work with for beginners than metal.
Privateer Press said in the MK1 rulebook [back when plastics were confined to GW and 20mm, not today] they weren't going to do plastic miniatures. They have a plastic 2 player starter set for each of their games.
So.... how that explains why it would matter?
CB stated they stay metal because they want to keep production and more importantly quality in house and because plastic cannot hold the quality and dynamism Infinity models have, at least not yet and not without a ridiculous parts breakdown.
CB stated they stay metal because they want to keep production and more importantly quality in house and because plastic cannot hold the quality and dynamism Infinity models have, at least not yet and not without a ridiculous parts breakdown.
So their decisions are solely based on quality.
I think the pics of the kingdom death plastics rule out the "can't" possibility for the medium as long as you're willing to put in the effort to make sure it is done right. It may simply not be worth it for CB to go plastic yet even with their recent years worth of growth.
CB stated they stay metal because they want to keep production and more importantly quality in house and because plastic cannot hold the quality and dynamism Infinity models have, at least not yet and not without a ridiculous parts breakdown.
So their decisions are solely based on quality.
I think the pics of the kingdom death plastics rule out the "can't" possibility for the medium as long as you're willing to put in the effort to make sure it is done right. It may simply not be worth it for CB to go plastic yet even with their recent years worth of growth.
Biggest reason is they lose out on in-house manufacturing/quality control unless they make a huuuuuuge investment.
Modern plastics definitely compete on the detail and quality department, CB staying in metal is pretty much solely down to keeping the production in-house. Although you're right about the number of parts plastic kits require, that's not much different than CB's current metals that are in 7+ pieces for a model that most other companies would cast in 2 or 3.
It's a shame, I would LOVE if CB switched to Malifaux style plastics, but it's hard to fault them for wanting to retain complete control over production. I wish restic technology would advance enough to hold the quality and consistency of metal, but Infinity is going to remain metal for the forseeable future
Biggest reason is they lose out on in-house manufacturing/quality control unless they make a huuuuuuge investment.
On a similar note, how good is their quality control on the metals? Is it good like GW with metals or horribad like GW with finecast? Or somewhere inbetween like most other companies? I haven't seen too many complaints about miscasts with them but in my experience the prevalence of problems with metal minis tends to be less than with resin overall. I've only ever gotten one miscast HIPS sprue in 20 years (a baneblade weapon sponson sprue that had an extra 1mm "oreo" white plastic layer in the middle that threw off my magnetizing plans) and only a small handful of metal miscasts.
Biggest reason is they lose out on in-house manufacturing/quality control unless they make a huuuuuuge investment.
On a similar note, how good is their quality control on the metals? Is it good like GW with metals or horribad like GW with finecast? Or somewhere inbetween like most other companies? I haven't seen too many complaints about miscasts with them but in my experience the prevalence of problems with metal minis tends to be less than with resin overall. I've only ever gotten one miscast HIPS sprue in 20 years (a baneblade weapon sponson sprue that had an extra 1mm "oreo" white plastic layer in the middle that threw off my magnetizing plans) and only a small handful of metal miscasts.
-Loki- wrote: So here I am, looking at how to build a Morat list out of the starter, Vanguard special weapon box and the Suryat. Throw in my other favorite CA model, the Medtech... Crap. I'm going to start Morats aren't I?
I already folded when that new Morat starter set came out, and Wayland had a 20%-off sale at Salute..
Biggest reason is they lose out on in-house manufacturing/quality control unless they make a huuuuuuge investment.
On a similar note, how good is their quality control on the metals? Is it good like GW with metals or horribad like GW with finecast? Or somewhere inbetween like most other companies? I haven't seen too many complaints about miscasts with them but in my experience the prevalence of problems with metal minis tends to be less than with resin overall. I've only ever gotten one miscast HIPS sprue in 20 years (a baneblade weapon sponson sprue that had an extra 1mm "oreo" white plastic layer in the middle that threw off my magnetizing plans) and only a small handful of metal miscasts.
I've only had issues with them missing the proper parts in the large boxes. My buddy's Dragoe didn't have a head and an arm. That sorta sucked.
warboss wrote: Is it bad that I have to regularly convince myself not to buy the Kum riders every time someone posts the pics in the thread? I don't play Shadowrun RPG yet I keep wanting to add one model to my collection to keep my WHFB Ogre Maneater Troll Street Shaman and friends company. Over the past few years, I've done a great job at not only not buying but actually selling off most of the minis I've picked up on a lark for tabletop games I don't actually play and never will (warzone, doom, shockforce, etc) but I find myself drawn now to minis for RPGs that I don't. I guess it is still an improvement if I only buy single or double minis instead of whole units, starter, and armies... so yay?
Lol, I've done the same for Star Wars as well with my Mordheim Elf warlock turned jedi and some kitbashed mandalorians and Imperial Knights. Deathwatch, Star Wars Saga Edition, and Shadowrun are the RPG games I want to play but never find a stable group for yet I keep accumulating PC and NPC figs for. Infinity obviously works quite well for two of those as a source of figs.
Only issue I had was with the Uberfallkommando box, thinking the Chimera was missing her hands.
Phoned up CB, got a replacement part sent.. only to find that I had had the hands all along (they were attached to her whip), just I hadn't noticed them! So sorry, packer number 381, I hope you didn't get scolded!
In terms of QC issues, I have so far only encountered two. One was that my Gwailo was missing his left arm, which they replaced very quickly and the other was my Rifle Djanbazan was mispacked with the arms for the HMG Djanbazan. Beyond that, I've had no issues other than the odd old figure having a somewhat prominent mold line going across his face.
Thanks for the responses. It sounds like with the tiny spindly parts on infinity models (as opposed to the chunky exaggerated 40k style), missing is more common than miscast.
On a side note, does anyone have a parts pic or seen one online for the new Kum riders? I googled and didn't find any. There are the painted Angel pics (the one with the coin is particurlarly stunning IMO) but not much else.
Not always missing. I've heard of people throwing bits away thinking they were flash or sprue. Never throw anything away until the model is fully assembled.
Biggest reason is they lose out on in-house manufacturing/quality control unless they make a huuuuuuge investment.
On a similar note, how good is their quality control on the metals? Is it good like GW with metals or horribad like GW with finecast? Or somewhere inbetween like most other companies? I haven't seen too many complaints about miscasts with them but in my experience the prevalence of problems with metal minis tends to be less than with resin overall. I've only ever gotten one miscast HIPS sprue in 20 years (a baneblade weapon sponson sprue that had an extra 1mm "oreo" white plastic layer in the middle that threw off my magnetizing plans) and only a small handful of metal miscasts.
Petty damn good, as the bad ones just get thrown back in to go again.
Red Harvest wrote: Not always missing. I've heard of people throwing bits away thinking they were flash or sprue. Never throw anything away until the model is fully assembled.
Lots of different conversations, here is my 2 cents:
1.- The Nomad guy with 2 pistols and black mask is a Grenzer.
2.- If INFINITY growth continues... that can only lead to plastic sprues. CB will reach a point when it is no longer a matter of: -"I prefer this - I prefer that to my taste.." it will be pure logic in a competitive market.
I do not know the number of copies that they shoudl reach in order to think about plastics, maybe 5000 copies. If they have a product that sells like 5000 copies in a year... then it MUST be made in plastic.
It is not what I say, it is not what a forum says... the numbers, the market, the growth will push in that direction.
Don't get me wrong... I respect their slow growth and cautious way of leading the company, but at some point it looks like "lack of ambition". If an American CEO were leading CB, they will have already jump into plastics. Not because of their actual numbers but on the numbers they expect to hit.
3.- Angel painting level proves that he is not human.
BobbaFett wrote: 2.- If INFINITY growth continues... that can only lead to plastic sprues. CB will reach a point when it is no longer a matter of: -"I prefer this - I prefer that to my taste.." it will be pure logic in a competitive market. I do not know the number of copies that they shoudl reach in order to think about plastics, maybe 5000 copies. If they have a product that sells like 5000 copies in a year... then it MUST be made in plastic.
It is not what I say, it is not what a forum says... the numbers, the market, the growth will push in that direction.
That depends. If they need to outsource it, it might not be worth going that route anyway. If you outsource to another company, they are tooling your molds, so you are working to their schedule, not the other way around. Those companies also do work for everyone else on the market - look at what happened to the first box of Forgefathers for Mantic, where they had to cut corners to get released on time (they basically made sci fi chest, heads and arms that fit on the Fantasy dwarf legs, which gave them a very medieval looking short sword and chainmail under a sci fi set of body armour).
If you do it in house, like Games Workshop, it's more affordable in the long run, as you own the machines, you hire someone to tool molds, you pay people to cast them, and do it all to your schedule. The problem here is sheer startup costs - look at how enormously massive, with public funding, GW needed to get to in order to do their plastic manufacturing in house. CB has a long, long way to go.
Staying metal has advantages and disadvantages, but going plastic isn't as simple as it sounds. The control over production schedules and such is the reason Corvus Belli have said in the past they don't want to go plastic, and they're very real problems.
-Loki- wrote: So here I am, looking at how to build a Morat list out of the starter, Vanguard special weapon box and the Suryat. Throw in my other favorite CA model, the Medtech... Crap. I'm going to start Morats aren't I?
I already folded when that new Morat starter set came out, and Wayland had a 20%-off sale at Salute..
I almost bought the starter yesterday. It was sitting in my hands and I was staring at the awesome models. but I also had some of Plastcrafts Bourak terrain in my hands, and the terrain won out.
BobbaFett wrote: Lots of different conversations, here is my 2 cents:
If INFINITY growth continues... that can only lead to plastic sprues. CB will reach a point when it is no longer a matter of: -"I prefer this - I prefer that to my taste.." it will be pure logic in a competitive market.
I do not know the number of copies that they shoudl reach in order to think about plastics, maybe 5000 copies. If they have a product that sells like 5000 copies in a year... then it MUST be made in plastic.
It is not what I say, it is not what a forum says... the numbers, the market, the growth will push in that direction.
Don't get me wrong... I respect their slow growth and cautious way of leading the company, but at some point it looks like "lack of ambition". If an American CEO were leading CB, they will have already jump into plastics. Not because of their actual numbers but on the numbers they expect to hit.
You're talking about a privately owned company in Spain. For counter example, see Privateer Press and their continued production of metal models with some resin.
I cannot recall which CBer said it but they would have to fire a bunch of people in Spain and do a few other things to afford a start up of plastic production in China. CB is not going to fire anybody in order to ship jobs to China. I respect that. If they could do the plastic production in Spain, then maybe plastics may be in the future. Bear in mind they also do all the printing in Spain too. Hecho en Espana seems to be rather important to them.
Chemical Cutthroat wrote: I just wonder what dark and terrible pacts he made with dead and sleeping gods in order to have that sort of brilliant skill.
When Angel paints his last miniature, he will hold his brush up to the sky and scream something unintellegible, and burst into crimson flames.
Maybe he has given up coffee, booze and the ability to breathe.
Blood sacrifices during ritual cleansing of mould lines of inferior PVC minis is my guess followed by debauchery of the likes no one suspects. Just imagine Bostria cosplaying each and every cheesecake female mini pose to maintain the company's favor in the eyes of the minis gods...
The best part is the interview with Angel where he says something like "Really, they're just painted to an commercial level, because of the need to stay on schedule."
Kingdom death has illustrated (along the other boardgame name eludes me but it is based on journey to the west) that the loss of detail remains significant, but more importantly that the parts breakdown to get a really good model is significant (I am sure if they could they would not put the breasts as a separate piece) and really if my memory does not fail me both do not have as complex poses as some of CB models have.
And mind you both are stellar as far as plastic kits productions go,Kingdom death in particular is done as a showcase project by the manufacturer.
If CB goes to plastics two things will have to happen, plastics become better and CB producing them in house.
@BobbaFett
Its not a lack of ambition and personally I have seen many companies been ruined by that "American CEO" logic, they grow at the speed they want at the rate they feel comfortable and at the risk they feel is adequate, in contrast to many risk takers and "enlightened CEOs" CB is a privately held company that takes into consideration that there are around 30 families supported by them to take greater than needed risks.
Pacific wrote: Do you mean this one Warboss? Just enough to make me give up painting for good..
IJW is probably the person to ask about the components for that kit, he often posts here..
Yup, that's the one. The paint job looks good when zoomed in but it really gets put to scale when you throw in the coin and fingers and that's when it really hits you... that you (meaning me) should stop whining about doing occasional edges as your only medium level painting technique!
I try to keep things in perspective. There are so many people, someone is probably always going to be better at something than me. Not to mention a lot of people take classes, entire degrees, and endless hours of practice to be so much better. For the guy you're talking about, its even his job to do it.
Personally, I just do this for fun and haven't taken any classes, or done any practice beyond painting more minis. I just accept that some people are damn awesome and I compare my work to past projects to gauge relative improvement.
Paint job like that would once be discouraging, but I just say neat, and get back to my poorly blended highlights, barely passable eyes, and religious use of minwax
Oh I definitely compare my work to my past models. One of my favorite things to do when painting an Infinity model is line up the last 10 or so to see what my new end result it. I've seen a marked improvement on each model (except that last Sekban, everything fell apart on him).
But when I go to see if I've missed some detail like a tiny belt I couldn't see, I go look at the official models, and notice I not only didn't see a belt, but several hundred buckles and buttons and shoelaces and other details that he's not only painted but done nice blending on too.
But it was once my job to paint minis, and I used to paint 5-8 hours a day. And I have been painting things (not minis, but still it hurts my pride) ever since I can remember, and I have an art degree.
So that's depressing...
Even for professional miniature painter standards, his work is superb.
The product is called "Starlift Elevator", so it probably is a Jetsons-style teleporter. You could always use it as a energy-walled jail cell or something for objectives. That's what I thought it was at first.
Pacific wrote: Very nice, you can imagine those working like the teleporter things in the Stargate movie..
That was my first impression as well. I think it would look better if the circles were more irregular in shape, something like data flow used by hackers or GITS manga/anime style.
Perhaps use it as some sort of medical or security scanner? Would make a nice objective for narrative missions, hack the bometric checkpoint to access computer room/bank vault/VIP lounge
"Our Elevator is specially designed as an scenery pieces or objective marker for your Infinity games. The pieces are designed in collaboration with Corvus Belli to be an official product, fully compatible with Infinity the game.
The piece represent an outside elevator. You can easily put it attached to a scenery structure and use it to reach the roof of the building. You can choose the colour of the metacrylate circles among our variety."
Thats the description from their website. Basically its a futuristic Stannah Stairlift!
If anyone's played Planetside 2, they have exactly those, they just kind of slowly lift you up and you sort of waft off of them. Not sure how they explain the technology, but it's handy.
Unfortunately there is nothing listed in the July releases that would be O-12.
Thamyris isn't really a combatant but rather is a Journalist with an Assault Pistol, Knife, Marker, and Nanopulsar.
I could easily see this being how he carries his Assault Pistol.
Which itself is an homage to a specific MP5K modification done by Heckler and Koch during the early 1980s and became well-known (if rare to actually utilize or even see) among Western intelligence agencies.. Someone posted the video on the English forums for Corvus Belli.
Anyways yeah, that's pretty much guaranteed to be Thamyris.
CB on FB wrote:
Cosplayer Tabitha Lyons will be with us at GenCon cosplaying Infinity! Come see us at booth 1935! #GenCon Also, there will be exclusive miniature of her. More info soon!
I'm not sure if that means she'll be cosplaying as the new Penthesilea miniature, or as a different and also new miniature.
If you're going to pull from their FB/Twitter, pull everything.
Also, there will be exclusive miniature of Tabitha @Artyfakes More details soon!
So hooray...more exclusive miniatures when there are huge swathes of missing profiles, revamps, and in general just things that are not actually released.
I guess we know where their priorities lay right now. Not with the actual fanbase, but rather with expanding the brand.
If you're going to pull from their FB/Twitter, pull everything.
Also, there will be exclusive miniature of Tabitha @Artyfakes More details soon!
So hooray...more exclusive miniatures when there are huge swathes of missing profiles, revamps, and in general just things that are not actually released.
I guess we know where their priorities lay right now. Not with the actual fanbase, but rather with expanding the BOOBS.
I corrected that for you although I would post the counterpoint that given the tabletop minis demographic that expanding that doesn't necessarily conflict with the fanbase. I do agree though that priorities should go to "empty" spots on their fig roster but I don't think that for a company as prolific with new designs as CB (3-4 per month) will be set much back with 1 special for the biggest gaming convention outside of Europe.
Yeah I guess there is a possibility that the new biker chick model we already know about *is* Tabitha Lyons and that she is going "as" the biker chick version of herself.. but, eh, I don't know. It doesn't seem to fit.
Maybe she is going to be the limited edition gencon-only mini that we thought alt-Penny was going to be. That whole limited edition / pre-release confusion had to come from somewhere.
Maybe CB see "growth" as following in SPM's footsteps...
I'd say the biker girl previewed a few pages back is the most likely from a business standpoint (looking at CB's upcoming minis as a basis) but looking at her photos on google then I'd say the nomad Kalisi mini with the dragon on the shoulder would be a close second.
Supposedly she has posted something to the extent of " for a secret project (for GenCon) she has beige leggins (which are going to be the base for "something") blue lights and platinum blonde extensions."
Which basically screams that they're going to do another Techie for PanO.
Kanluwen wrote: Supposedly she has posted something to the extent of " for a secret project (for GenCon) she has beige leggins (which are going to be the base for "something") blue lights and platinum blonde extensions."
Which basically screams that they're going to do another Techie for PanO.
Goodness gracious, please, no. I simply loathe everything about that particular model.
I feel like I've just opened a door to 1950's moral conservatism.
Slightest mention of tits or arse on this site, anything that isn't a genderless cyber-mask or something being blown up/eviscerated, and suddenly all of the toys come out of the fething pram
I typed her name into google .. not the worst thing I have done all day, and now I think the name 'Penthouse' for the Aleph biker is more than appropriate!
Pacific wrote: I feel like I've just opened a door to 1950's moral conservatism.
Slightest mention of tits or arse on this site, anything that isn't a genderless cyber-mask or something being blown up/eviscerated, and suddenly all of the toys come out of the fething pram
HA!
Well said!
And exalted!
With this 'exclusive' also be available via their webshop during Gencon?
Who knows? They seem to be more interested in putting out "exclusives" than actually getting money from the rest of us who aren't interested in yet another scantily clad "exclusive" model.
But you have to admit, these are not up to Angel's usual standard. Deliberate?
everywhere.
