Rumors so far have been very accurate, so I expect to see a Ghulam preview within the next few weeks. You'll be able to get them sometime in August. I will need to wait until September here in the US.
Haqq is the best faction. But I admittedly am quite biased.
Darkjim wrote: I welcome both great minis, and great boobs, and great boobs on great minis for that matter.
Can I ask, is the Ghulam update for this month just rumoured or actual? I really, really need to buy some Haqq. Thanks.
It's not a rumor--Mayacast is given the release list by Corvus Belli.
There might be a few things wrong here or there, but that generally has to do with unexpected issues cropping up during the manufacturing process. Such a thing happened to Diomedes (he was reputed to come out almost five months before he finally did) where the casting process was having severe issues.
Kanluwen wrote: Who knows? They seem to be more interested in putting out "exclusives" than actually getting money from the rest of us who aren't interested in yet another scantily clad "exclusive" model.
Yes, because an exclusive miniature at Gencon and another bootleg (which might actually be the same miniature) totally means we're not getting that months releases, right?
Seriously, CB have a pretty steady release pace. Guaranteed 5 releases per month, split between 8 factions.
And if they're interested in releasing bootlegs or exclusive miniatures, it's because they know there's a market for them. Are you part of that market? Obviously not. But these miniatures sell, or they wouldn't make them.
So please, please, please get off your soap box for a few weeks. You don't have to get indignant over every release you don't agree with. Relax, have a beer, and paint some Infinity models. You'll feel better afterwards.
Kanluwen wrote: Who knows? They seem to be more interested in putting out "exclusives" than actually getting money from the rest of us who aren't interested in yet another scantily clad "exclusive" model.
Yes, because an exclusive miniature at Gencon and another bootleg (which might actually be the same miniature) totally means we're not getting that months releases, right?
Seriously, CB have a pretty steady release pace. Guaranteed 5 releases per month, split between 8 factions.
And if they're interested in releasing bootlegs or exclusive miniatures, it's because they know there's a market for them. Are you part of that market? Obviously not. But these miniatures sell, or they wouldn't make them.
So please, please, please get off your soap box for a few weeks. You don't have to get indignant over every release you don't agree with. Relax, have a beer, and paint some Infinity models. You'll feel better afterwards.
Sush, CB told me Kan moaning is better then a Super Bowl ad, in both reaching new players and amusement.
New artist involved? That looks absolutely immense.
Possible cover of the new book? Or perhaps not action-y enough for that? I'm going on the quality of the artwork there, looks like the kind of thing you get 'commissioned', and someone has spent a great deal of time and effort on..
New artist involved? That looks absolutely immense.
Possible cover of the new book? Or perhaps not action-y enough for that? I'm going on the quality of the artwork there, looks like the kind of thing you get 'commissioned', and someone has spent a great deal of time and effort on..
That dude standing next to her isnt it same one as "two-pistol-maveric" from IceStorm cover? Now he has combi rifle.
It's the same. Some people are again reaching for "Grenzer" because of twin pistols and now saying that the darker colors for the art means Black Hand--in spite of the Black Hand sectorial purportedly being shelved as its own thing and instead rolled into Tunguska like the Observance(read Reverend Moiras and Custodiers) was to Bakunin. There's also the whole Grenzers not having been listed as part of Black Hand that messes with that.
And there is Big red-ish(or kinda Bakugin orange) Tag/HI leg standing above Multi-sniper rifle.
Also the black colour scheme doesn't mean Black Hand, because the Tunguska Interventors just released are in black, pretty much exactly like the 'Grenzer'
Barzam wrote: I have no problem with that being the Grenzer. I just would prefer that his actual figure be dual wielding pistols rather than carrying the rifle.
There's not really any Nomad "gunfighter" models, so I'd rather that stay an Ariadna thing.
The Mobile Brigada just looks like he'll be cool. I hope that they get a new blister release at the very least after Ice Storm comes out.
Apparently we're looking at a two to three month delay before seeing any of those components for sale beyond someone splitting boxes.
Mobile Brigada better be getting a box. They're AVA 5 in Corregidor with 3 profiles.
That would be kind of difficult since the MB only has 4 potential profiles--one is the Lieutenant, which has the same loadout as the 'basic' Mobile Brigada.
Kanluwen wrote: That would be kind of difficult since the MB only has 4 potential profiles--one is the Lieutenant, which has the same loadout as the 'basic' Mobile Brigada.
Number of profiles could easily be bumped up with the unit-box release (and then incorporated into Acheron Falls or whatever comes out next). The Wu Ming profiles were expanded quite a bit (with Paradiso iirc?) to cover what's in the boxed set. And of course there could be plenty of non-modeled profile differences (like No. 2 or Specialist options, although I think they'll be keeping those out of the hands of HI to make MI specialist teams more attractive).
As for the dual-pistol wielder, it's a cool pose and doesn't need to stay in Ariadna for any reason whatsoever. John Wu tributes will look interesting in most forces, and it's nice to be reminded that your unit actually -has- assault pistols since they get used pretty rarely when you're packing a combi too.
Kanluwen wrote: That would be kind of difficult since the MB only has 4 potential profiles--one is the Lieutenant, which has the same loadout as the 'basic' Mobile Brigada.
Number of profiles could easily be bumped up with the unit-box release (and then incorporated into Acheron Falls or whatever comes out next). The Wu Ming profiles were expanded quite a bit (with Paradiso iirc?) to cover what's in the boxed set. And of course there could be plenty of non-modeled profile differences (like No. 2 or Specialist options, although I think they'll be keeping those out of the hands of HI to make MI specialist teams more attractive).
As for the dual-pistol wielder, it's a cool pose and doesn't need to stay in Ariadna for any reason whatsoever. John Wu tributes will look interesting in most forces, and it's nice to be reminded that your unit actually -has- assault pistols since they get used pretty rarely when you're packing a combi too.
But when you do get to use those dual Assault Pistols... SOMANYDICE. I love it.
Kanluwen wrote: That would be kind of difficult since the MB only has 4 potential profiles--one is the Lieutenant, which has the same loadout as the 'basic' Mobile Brigada.
Number of profiles could easily be bumped up with the unit-box release (and then incorporated into Acheron Falls or whatever comes out next). The Wu Ming profiles were expanded quite a bit (with Paradiso iirc?) to cover what's in the boxed set. And of course there could be plenty of non-modeled profile differences (like No. 2 or Specialist options, although I think they'll be keeping those out of the hands of HI to make MI specialist teams more attractive).
If anything is going to be changed for MB, it will be with Infinity 3rd edition. They are a "vanilla book" unit.
I doubt we'll see a new profile as 4 is definitely doable, depending on how they work it. In an ideal world it would be 4 Mobile Brigada, two with Boarding Shotguns and two with Multi Rifles+Lt. Flamethrowers and HMG is a separate blister.
More likely it will be:
HMG x1
Boarding Shotgun x1
Multi Rifle+LtFT x1
One model that for whatever inexplicable reason is holding their pistol and pointing ala the Briscard boxed set.
As for the dual-pistol wielder, it's a cool pose and doesn't need to stay in Ariadna for any reason whatsoever. John Wu tributes will look interesting in most forces, and it's nice to be reminded that your unit actually -has- assault pistols since they get used pretty rarely when you're packing a combi too.
There's no guarantee that the following are true:
1) The model actually is packing twin Assault Pistols. Right now only Uxia McNeill has double Assault Pistols--and only on one of her profiles to boot. There are plenty of models with single Assault Pistols but only her "Covert Action" profile has doubles.
2) That it was an Assault Pistol to begin with.
As it stands though Ariadna is the only faction with the "WooFu" models (Uxia McNeill's Covert Action profile, one of the Scots Guard from the boxed set, Isobel McGregor, and the two Dog-Warrior models they have out). It would be nice to not have what could potentially be a brand new unit that likely will not have proper coverage in terms of models for a year or more just tossed into having a pair of pistols "because it looks cool".
Especially considering that Assault Pistols were really only introduced with Campaign: Paradiso and mostly were put in as a way to give Missile Launcher/HRL armed models some shorter ranged punch. The only real exception to that was the Briscards and their Marksman Rifles--who all got Assault Pistols, alongside the HRL profile...but for some reason the Sniper Rifle profile kept the standard pistol.
Alkasyn wrote: The alternative can serve as a Kum biker, so I approve.
Yup. Not a whole lot about it screams Aleph aside from the paint job which is obviously easy to change, so I'll definitely be grabbing one to add to my Kum gang.
Sangarn wrote: is she exclusive to the GenCon or only a pre order i'm lost ...
As far as I'm aware she's a pre-release available at GenCon and at the same time via the Corvus Belli web store, then going on general release later in the year. Going by previous years' pre-releases, presumably in December.
I love the look of the Brigada. He looks massive, like a proper HI. I can see myself getting a few of them once they're available outside of this boxed set. I'm kind of hoping that when they do release them though, that the shotgun profile is the one that gets the blister release rather than the HMG.
That HI just screams 'Appleseed', although is arguably a cooler design. I absolutely love it.
Really torn on the new Penthouse. On the one hand, my initial impression is that it isn't as good as the original. But, that was an absolutely stupendous mini, one of my favourites of all time. This one is certainly.. different, it's a lot busier that's for sure, and still a truly exceptional sculpt.
I will spend some more time looking at it before delivering my critique
That HI just screams 'Appleseed', although is arguably a cooler design. I absolutely love it.
Really torn on the new Penthouse. On the one hand, my initial impression is that it isn't as good as the original. But, that was an absolutely stupendous mini, one of my favourites of all time. This one is certainly.. different, it's a lot busier that's for sure, and still a truly exceptional sculpt.
I will spend some more time looking at it before delivering my critique
Both hands on the keyboard buddy.
I definitely dig the new design for the Brigada, though I'm hoping it still keeps the weird tube/dreadlock thingies on the back of the helmet. The Spektrs are BA. But I think the winner so far is that black helmeted chap. There's something about his design I just really like. I can't wait to see what the model looks like.
More N3 rules rumors are popping up. ToadChild posted these on our group's private forum, I been able to check the ITG page linked here because their database is down (as solkan mentions). THAT's probably what killed it...
This is what we have so far from IJW's event will update and clarify as new stuff comes up, New thread to keep all in one place.
STUFF FROM PRESENTATION
Combat Camo
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from what i remember it becomes a "suprise shot"
shooting will be face to face but have a -3 to hit. Sounds weaker but prevents revealing from camo, not doing any damage then being
killed by an unopposed reaction shot. Means revealing from cover would give a -9 to peoples response shots, can get to -12 if you get range advantage.
Cannot remember if this stacks with a -3 from camo.
Also all modifiers are possibly being capped at +12 and -12
Snipers
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getting a range reduction - maximum range is dropped by 8" to 96".
(However, this can still cover all of a 6' by 4', and the penalty for maximum range is dropped to -3)
The +3 range band is now 32" long (8" longer) and it starts slightly further out, at 16". It is, however, now the Long range band, not the medium range band.
Short range takes a -3 penalty, Medium range a flat 0. Given the earlier statement about range bands seeming to standardise to multiples of 8", I'm sure you can make an educated guess about where these start and end.
MSV1
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MSV1 reduces combat camo and TO camo by -3
kINEMATIKA
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Kinematika is a new skill, the Father-Knight from Ice-Storm has it, supposedly at Level 1. So he goes 1 inch further with every ARO Dodge.
Has levels
BTS ---------------
Are now posivite stats
interventors are bts 9
Combi Rifles
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Ranges are changing, mainly in ranges
Loss of LT
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Turn of irregular orders
free luitenant at end of turn
using lt order now reveals LT
ASSUMPTIONS AND WILD SPECULATION
-Religious may change slightly
-Hacking or viral may have stat tweeks to deal with high BTS interventor
-All or some models will have tweaks or price drops to accomodate for weapon adjustments
The Loss of Lieutenant rules are way better. I am dubious about the others. And no changes to HMG listed, but they messed with sniper rifles... WTF? I guess the longer range is good, btu the losses at short range blow.
BTS 9 is insane on those. It makes sense in terms of defense against hacking, but I don't see why it should offer the same defense against me shooting Ultra-Acid-Flu-Rounds into their face.
I also like the LoL rules. That seems like an improvement.
Alpharius wrote: Using the LT order *always* reveals your LT now?!?
Wow, agree that is a big one!
Guess we will see more bad-ass Lts now that it will be harder to hide the Lt in amongst other line infantry.
And, sounds like a good plan with the range standardisation. I use a range band sheet thing (handily downloadable from IJW's Wargaming Trader website) but think that will definitely help with new players coming into the game.
Savnock wrote: The Loss of Lieutenant rules are way better. I am dubious about the others. And no changes to HMG listed, but they messed with sniper rifles... WTF? I guess the longer range is good, btu the losses at short range blow.
All the info is from the Quick Start Rules and not a full copy at that. So weapons and skills and equipment are likely limited to just what they need to play the new Starter Box. No HMG in starter set, no need for it in the Quick Start Rules.
I'm not sure about new version of Penny. It's a nice model but proportions of her face seams off. Either it's because of sculpt or lower standard paint job.
I really like the now artwork though. It's much more realistic and less cartoonish. It's nice how colours fade over distance. I hope that's the direction for all artworks and we will see more pieces like that in the new rulebook as well.
BTS 9 is insane on those. It makes sense in terms of defense against hacking, but I don't see why it should offer the same defense against me shooting Ultra-Acid-Flu-Rounds into their face.
Since viral is quite potent weapon if not litle too potent IMO, ONE mini in whole army(without tags) that is better resistant to that dosnt make much diffrence. Sky is not falling.
Is it my imagination or did she choose to armor her nipples and her nipples only on her front torso? The horny spaniards strike again!
Look man, nipple protection is a very serious affair. We all need to be more alert about nipple protection.
Edit - @GrenAcid - That was hardly a Sky is Falling post. There wasn't a single exclamation point used, and I never used the word Balance. Not even once.
Savnock wrote: The Loss of Lieutenant rules are way better. I am dubious about the others. And no changes to HMG listed, but they messed with sniper rifles... WTF? I guess the longer range is good, btu the losses at short range blow.
The sniper rifle has the biggest +3 band in the game now, a full 32" from 16"-48". Then 48"-96" is only a -3. That alone makes it a far better at long ranges than the HMG, which is -3 between 32"-48" and -6 between 48" and 96". It gives it a niche - it's the best long range run in the game at only -3, and has the biggest +3 long range band in the game. Couple the range band with the rumoured price drop for sniper rifles, and they will finally have a place next to HMGs.
Well if this thing about using you Lt order is true, at least I have another reason to feel okay about using Lieutenant Obvious now. APHMG Lt awaaaaaaay!
To be fair, you were generally using your Lt in one of two ways. As an aggressive Lt that was using its Lt order to do some killing, or as a little bitch hiding at the back of the board using his Lt order to auto pass the occasional guts roll or form links.
There were others, like the hacker marker Lt doing his hacking from the back of the board, or the L3 Strategos Lt giving his order to other people, etc. But generally it was one of the former two uses.
In the first instance, obvious Lt is obvious. You probably had a CoC to back him up anyway. In the second, just don't use it for free link formations and you're still golden.
I'm personally more interested in how they're going to change Religious, because the new LoL turn is basically what Religious for all Religious armies, without the additional 2 order pool or the need to spend orders to elect a new Lt. It was a pretty big strength for all Religious armies like Hassassins, so it will be interesting to see what they do with the rule since they've basically just given it to everyone.
My only slightly nitpicky problem with the new Penthesilea is the slightly awkward head tilt. For me it'll look infinitely (pun inteded) better if she tilts her head slightly to the right (for a more cutesy look) or slightly to the left (for a straighter, more serious and intense look).
It's just slightly awkward for me, though. Not a deal breaker.
I LOVE that new Penny and have to have it. It has a sort of.. more casual feel about it, like she's street racing on a Saturday night rather than about to monofliment someone into sushi in the middle of a warzone.
Looking at the length of the bikes wheelbase, and the thickness of its tyres, it would have a similar turning circle to an oil tanker so probably not that suitable for a combat situation! "Hold on second, stop shooting at me while I perform this 18-point turn in the road!"
Looking at the length of the bikes wheelbase, and the thickness of its tyres, it would have a similar turning circle to an oil tanker so probably not that suitable for a combat situation! "Hold on second, stop shooting at me while I perform this 18-point turn in the road!"
That, my friend, is what big smoky burnouts are for.
I like the Nikaul. Not the crazy assortment of skills and gear we were expecting, but I do like it. The Minelayer variant looks like a lot of fun - it can deploy somewhere with a good fire lane and use the mine to cover a vulnerable approach.
In fact, for 2 points, I don't know why I'd ever go with the standard varient, but it's good to have the option. It's amazing how often you wind up 1 or 2 points over in this game.
That blurb is hilarious and awesome, makes me think Infinity may be a bit grittier and darker under the sexy paintjobs than I had figured, must needs get the books.
Wow. I still hope that exists in time for gencon, even if it doesn't i'll gladly order one from wherever i shop that ends up carrying it. And failing that, i'll order it from cb themselves shipping fees be damned.
That is a very... cute.. size for a starter box, very slim compared to something like dark vengeance or deadzone or what have you.
I wonder if they have arranged to have the minis in the box be more or less single piece? Ive got both the male combi moderators, the blonde and the shark haired one, and the single piece sculpt is *almost* as good, just has kind of a lumpy section between his rifle and where you'd expect his chest to be, that the multipart guy doesn't have. Female moderator from the starter does ok in a single piece as well.
Just got to thinking about it.. since it's a introductory battle pack... though since it's cb they'll probably do whatever looks best and expect the people buying it to step up which is totally fine by me.
I'm hoping to be competitive they drive it down to around 100 bucks. Infinity infantry tend to run between 10-15 usd at raw undiscounted prices, so that may be a tad optimistic. If you considered everything at 10 then you'd be looking at 150 for the base box, but they tend to discount pretty heavily in their box sets, to where you're paying for more like 4 of the 6 models in the box, so i think a hundred bucks is at least *possible* to hope for. Others will know better, of course, and there could be other stuff in the box to drive up the value, like a nicely done book instead of some cheapo pamphlet for the rules, and so on.
That's kind of where i'm putting my expectations too. I'll buy it without reservation at 100, for 150 i'll have to see the pan-o units, but i'm probably still too hooked to back out.
I find the cost of the models is one of the biggest things that makes me reluctant to jump into infinity. They are great models but at £10+ a pop they are pricey.
The thing about the cost... it really depends on what you're going to do with them. If you want something really nice to paint, they're probably worth the cost, and if you want to play the game itself.. you only need around 10 minis for a full sized game, maybe a pool of 15 to have lots of variance between games. The terrain can be costly, but not if you follow along with some of the terrain on the cheap threads you can find here and on the infinity forums. It's less of an investment than a 40k army by a long walk, but still liable to cost you at least a hundred bucks, it's true. The boxed sets have a fair bit of value in them as well, as long as you're interested in everything they contain.
There are very few single model blisters over £10... Yeah they're quite pricey I guess but you need like max 10 for an army usually and they are fantastic sculpts.
Yeah they are certainly fantastic sculpts. Just a bit crazy at times when I can get 6+ fantastic Samurai for the price of a single infinity model.
Still I like the idea of the game and have a mate who wants to get rid of some of his adriana stuff so ill probably give it a go picking some up from him. Already have Deadzone too and some Samurai buildings so I could probably make a start on a low tech Samurai board as well as using deadzone terrain for one.
I'd be curious to see what all is coming in the box besides the figures. The original teaser image gave the impression that there would be some kind of terrain and a possible mat. I'd really like to see all of that. Plus I'd be curious to see how many dice and counters come in the box as well.
A gaming mat is in the box. A starter book-- we just saw the fantastic cover-- that is more than just quickstarter rules. Four d20s. At least one template. According to the picture...
Palanka wrote: dentro de “Operation: Icestorm” viene todo lo necesario para poder empezar a jugar a Infinity
Trans: Inside O:I comes all that is needed to be able to begin to play Infinity.
Which seems to indicate some sort of terrain too. Probably cardstock, like Topo Solitarios Ikubes.
At the very latest we will learn everything on the 27th, when some lucky soul at the Inter-planetary event in Vigo wins the first copy. I guarantee that the winner will get no peace until he posts images of everything.
carlos13th wrote: I find the cost of the models is one of the biggest things that makes me reluctant to jump into infinity. They are great models but at £10+ a pop they are pricey.
Most Infinity models are around £8.
I'd been playing Infinity for 8 months before I had spent more than the just the cost of the 40K rules. My Pano minis now have cost me somewhere around £90. That allows me several different lists that play very differently, and represents about 18 months of army building. As an ongoing cost, Infinity is, in my experience, about the bottom of the scale. Deadzone has cost me more.
ski2060 wrote: So, did anyone notice that the Nikoul Minelayer model doesn't have the Minelayer skill?
It only has Sapper, which does not allow deployment of mines, only placement after game start with an action.
Omission, or poor choice of profile title?
When they want to give a profile a certain skill or peice of equipment but not to the unit as a whole, it is in brackets next to the unit name. Hence why the second profile says (Minelayer). That means he has the skill, to go with the Antipersonnel mines in his weapon selection.
The other profile doesn't have mines at all, so making the unit as a whole pay for the Minelayer skill doesn't make sense, so the skill isn't in the general skills section.
ski2060 wrote: So, did anyone notice that the Nikoul Minelayer model doesn't have the Minelayer skill?
It only has Sapper, which does not allow deployment of mines, only placement after game start with an action.
Omission, or poor choice of profile title?
When they want to give a profile a certain skill or peice of equipment but not to the unit as a whole, it is in brackets next to the unit name. Hence why the second profile says (Minelayer). That means he has the skill, to go with the Antipersonnel mines in his weapon selection.
The other profile doesn't have mines at all, so making the unit as a whole pay for the Minelayer skill doesn't make sense, so the skill isn't in the general skills section.
I can buy that. But the graphic doesn't have the [minelayer] in brackets or anything. It's just added to the name. It looks like a title, and not a skill descriptor.
Probably an oversight with the missing brackets. There are no existing profile with an unenclosed "Minelayer". The Clipsos Minelayer has an unbracketed "Minelayer" and clearly has the Minelayer skill unless CB added an identical profile to the plain jane Clipsos that costs +1 pt and +0.5 SWC just for grins.
It would also be a pretty stupid precedent to start calling models with mines but without the minelayer skill "minelayer" while still calling models with the minelayer skill "(minelayer)".
4rgfvsw6p wrote: Probably an oversight with the missing brackets. There are no existing profile with an unenclosed "Minelayer". The Clipsos Minelayer has an unbracketed "Minelayer" and clearly has the Minelayer skill unless CB added an identical profile to the plain jane Clipsos that costs +1 pt and +0.5 SWC just for grins.
It would also be a pretty stupid precedent to start calling models with mines but without the minelayer skill "minelayer" while still calling models with the minelayer skill "(minelayer)".
This. Models with mines without the Minelayer skill have nothing after the unit name. Models with Mines with the Minelayer skill in a unit that doesn't have it as standard have Minelayer after the unit name in brackets. There are no units that have Minelayer without the brackets.
So the logical assumption is CB forgot to put the brackets on.
99% certain there is a fold-up paper mat (more or less confirmed by the recent picture of Bostria and Warren at BoW that seemed to show the mat in the corner)
75% certain there are at least two medium-sized terrain pieces in the box.. most likely in the form of cardboard fold-up shipping containers or similar (we have seen the two silhouettes but they could also just be the silhouettes for the two starter boxes that are included in O:I. If CB are super smart, the boxes could serve both purposes)
25% certain there will be some smaller 'scatter' terrain in the box. While it could be something cast in resin, it is more likely to be a sheet of punch-out and fold cardboard crates (no proof of this at all, but based on the apparent size of the mat and the two pieces of medium sized 'terrain' that would totally block LoF.. it makes sense for there to be a few pieces of waist high obstacles that would provide partial cover)
You can see a portion of the mat in the lower right corner. Also on the Icestorm box, the sticker showing the silhouette or image of the LE model that comes with pre-orders.
Just let me know when I can pre-order from my usual sources.
Looking at the Icestorm box compared to the normal sized boxes, I wonder how tightly it is packed?
Really looking forward to this! If there is one criticism that could be levelled at Infinity, it's that for players who are coming into it completely fresh, it can be a little overwhelming knowing where to start beyond 'download the rulebook'. A starter set, with all of the terrain, miniatures and rules you need to play I think will help the game (and the community) out a lot.
Just read an interesting post on the Datasphere from Bostria - Apparently Penthesilea was the best selling Infinity blister ever. Have to say I am not at all surprised!
That in part motivated the new special edition release, as well as the fact that they loved the design of the new Kum bike.
Pacific wrote: Just read an interesting post on the Datasphere from Bostria - Apparently Penthesilea was the best selling Infinity blister ever. Have to say I am not at all surprised!
That in part motivated the new special edition release, as well as the fact that they loved the design of the new Kum bike.
I don't think the fact they designed the bootleg in such a way that Haqqislam players could paint her to look like she's in normal riding leathers and have her fit in with the other Kum was a mistake, either.
I tried to get a closer look at that BOW pic using my tablet. That is indeed a paper mat. I wish they'd gone with a rubber one like Mantic. That would've been a much better idea.
And looking at the LE figure sticker, it looks like the figure is the Sec-Lock Contingencies rep. Or at least, the figure looks similar to the silhouette. It appears to be a female, possibly dressed similar to Miranda Ashcroft, carrying a briefcase.
Barzam wrote: Or at least, the figure looks similar to the silhouette. It appears to be a female, possibly dressed similar to Miranda Ashcroft, carrying a briefcase.
I'd bet that's the briefcase gun we got teased with earlier. As mentioned elsewhere, the hand holding the briefcase gun wasn't an Aleph hand, wrong colour.
My Muledrones on the other hand are supposed to go to the big ones as well and I am hesitant to do that as they have a smaller diameter.
Excellent stuff coming out as always. I hope there will some nice buildings in the starter. I like the old Penny better but good for those who like the new one, a neat model indeed. And compared to other bootlegs, a very usable mini which I like, too.
I happily put my Kameels on 55s so I didn't have to deal with those ridiculous sculpted on base extenders. A quick snip of the clippers and they're happily on bases they fit on.
Yeah, I think mine are fine based as-is. They had their chance to supply bigger bases when I first bought the things. Not gonna be changing it because someone had a change of heart.
There was a long conversation on the new bases a few months ago which was somewhat helpful. NuclearMessiah found an interesting workaround through Customeeple, which are basically base inserts you can drop you existing smaller bases into and it'll boost them to the larger game size.
Absolutionis wrote: Is the pre-order exclusive miniature the civvie that we see in those silhouettes, or is that civvie normally part of the boxed set?
It is the civvie on the sticker on the box. Said to have it own stat line. Only the 14 PanO and Nomad models come in the non-per-order box.
GrimDork wrote: Now to figure out if I have to preorder it to pick up at gencon, or just hope they don't run out by Friday.
If you'll be at GenCon, you don't need to pre-order. Just visit our booth (#1935), and purchase your Op:Icestorm box! (and, who knows, maybe autographed by Bostria, Fernando Liste or Ángel Giráldez!)
Pre-order 28 July to 31 August.. Just the info I was asking for.
Le agradezco Koni. And Interruptor is not at GenCon this year?
warboss wrote: Have they confirmed if this will have watered down rules ala the 40k 4th edition starter or the full rules ala pretty much everything else since 3rd?
The ruleset will be structured to introduce the rules gradually, through a campaign--- a series of scenarios. I expect it is something like the escalation league ITS. So it will be something different from a quickstarter ruleset. The full ruleset, and all the unit info for each faction, will be downloadable --and free-- when the 3rd ed is released.
Red Harvest wrote: The ruleset will be structured to introduce the rules gradually, through a campaign--- a series of scenarios. I expect it is something like the escalation league ITS. So it will be something different from a quickstarter ruleset. The full ruleset, and all the unit info for each faction, will be downloadable --and free-- when the 3rd ed is released.
So, nothing like what GW does. Not. At. All.
Listen... I'm all for giving GW a good ol' fashioned bashing but in 4th edition "the ruleset will be structured to introduce the rules gradually, through a campaign--- a series of scenarios" is exactly what GW did which is why I asked and used it as an example. While GW won't give out for free the ruleset, your absolute statement is quite incorrect regarding the first half of your post.
As long as the starter has the full rules and I'm not forced to refer to the online guide, I may consider picking it up as Nomads would be one of the factions I'm interested in.
Red Harvest wrote: The ruleset will be structured to introduce the rules gradually, through a campaign--- a series of scenarios. I expect it is something like the escalation league ITS. So it will be something different from a quickstarter ruleset. The full ruleset, and all the unit info for each faction, will be downloadable --and free-- when the 3rd ed is released.
So, nothing like what GW does. Not. At. All.
Listen... I'm all for giving GW a good ol' fashioned bashing but in 4th edition "the ruleset will be structured to introduce the rules gradually, through a campaign--- a series of scenarios" is exactly what GW did which is why I asked and used it as an example. While GW won't give out for free the ruleset, your absolute statement is quite incorrect regarding the first half of your post.
As long as the starter has the full rules and I'm not forced to refer to the online guide, I may consider picking it up as Nomads would be one of the factions I'm interested in.
I assume Red Harvest missed your reference to the 4th edition 40k box set.
From the thickness of the booklet I'm assuming it's going to be a bit more than the equivalent of the current quick start rules booklets but not enough to play the full game.
Well the main thing i'm worried about is getting there on friday and running up to the booth first thing in the morning to discover they've sold out on thursday. I guess there's nothing for it though, the preorder period extends a full two weeks after the con so if i can't get it there i can just preorder it like anyone who couldn't/didn't attend. Just wasn't thinking as clearly this morning, and I suppose I'll be able to find out the price as of the 28th of this month so I'll know how much to set aside for it.
Palanka, in his interview on the Spanish WarCors web page, said that yes you can.
Palanka wrote:¡Así que la mejor manera de asegurarse esta miniatura exclusiva es reservar “Operation: Icestorm” cuanto antes en tu tienda habitual!
Quick Translation: 'So the best way to to assure yourself that you get the exclusive mini is to reserve Icestorm as soon as possible at your regular store."
Red Harvest wrote: The ruleset will be structured to introduce the rules gradually, through a campaign--- a series of scenarios. I expect it is something like the escalation league ITS. So it will be something different from a quickstarter ruleset. The full ruleset, and all the unit info for each faction, will be downloadable --and free-- when the 3rd ed is released.
So, nothing like what GW does. Not. At. All.
Listen... I'm all for giving GW a good ol' fashioned bashing but in 4th edition "the ruleset will be structured to introduce the rules gradually, through a campaign--- a series of scenarios" is exactly what GW did which is why I asked and used it as an example. While GW won't give out for free the ruleset, your absolute statement is quite incorrect regarding the first half of your post.
As long as the starter has the full rules and I'm not forced to refer to the online guide, I may consider picking it up as Nomads would be one of the factions I'm interested in.
It's the quickstart rules.
Now, what that entails we don't know, as the new rules don't seem to be the minor refinement we were expecting. Some rules are being massively expanded. We can't exactly use the current quickstart rules as a guide.
However, being forced to refer to the 'online guide' is a bit disengenuous. It's not an online guide, it's literally the rulebook. They extract the exact same rules pages from the PDF they sent to the printers and throw them on their website. You're downloading the exact same complete rules in the same format as people buying the full rulebook, just sans fluff.
We have no idea how much of the rules will be left out, if any.
I'm going by what Palanka said about them. To paraphrase: They wanted to do more than just a reduced version of the rules which will be available as a free download from them. But he also mentioned focusing on explaining the basic concepts too. Introduced via a series of scenarios. So it could be the complete rules. Or not.
And of course you will not need to buy additional books to continue playing, or to try another faction.
The online guide would be the Wiki, which is a tremendously useful resource.
Kanluwen wrote: Today's #SniperShot is a CAD file in progress.
It's been pointed out on the official boards that this is the Unidrons gun, the new EI line infantry for Combined Army, as per the concept art shown at Ficzone.
Given Bostrias cryptic remark that they would be in the new starter, it seems if they're showing them this early, they will be the line infantry in the new vanilla CA starter, as there's little point releasing an EI starter so much in advance of Acheron Falls.
I'm fairly excited about this. It seems the Evolved Intelligence might gain the spotlight after giving so much of it over to the Shasvastii and Morats. I've always liked the EI stuff, but the Shas and Morat stuff never really stuck with me.
Kanluwen wrote: Today's #SniperShot is a CAD file in progress.
It's been pointed out on the official boards that this is the Unidrons gun, the new EI line infantry for Combined Army, as per the concept art shown at Ficzone.
Given Bostrias cryptic remark that they would be in the new starter, it seems if they're showing them this early, they will be the line infantry in the new vanilla CA starter, as there's little point releasing an EI starter so much in advance of Acheron Falls.
I'm fairly excited about this. It seems the Evolved Intelligence might gain the spotlight after giving so much of it over to the Shasvastii and Morats. I've always liked the EI stuff, but the Shas and Morat stuff never really stuck with me.
Thanks for the info on the Snipershot; I for one welcome our new EI overlords. I actually like all the different factions within Combined Army so I don't have the issue of them not releasing something for my sectorial with them.
Thought that art looked familiar. The cover artist is David Nakayama. Former concept artist on City of Heroes and Big Hero 6 comic for Marvel. Great guy that I had the pleasure to talk to at a number of conventions and have a couple pieces by him. Glad to see him land a gig with Infinity.
Logo-less version:
Yep, that Tunguska guy most definitely does have two pistols. I'm hoping that actually plays into his profile and that they have at least one model of that unit dual wielding.
silent25 wrote: Thought that art looked familiar. The cover artist is David Nakayama. Former concept artist on City of Heroes and Big Hero 6 comic for Marvel. Great guy that I had the pleasure to talk to at a number of conventions and have a couple pieces by him. Glad to see him land a gig with Infinity.
A friend and I have been curious about Infinity for a while and I think this might be good even as just a stand alone game as a break from other stuff.
Not to be rude, but Angel when he first started that project(combining the various Bootlegs with the actual retail model) made it clear that the project was for GenCon 2014.
Kanluwen wrote: Not to be rude, but Angel when he first started that project(combining the various Bootlegs with the actual retail model) made it clear that the project was for GenCon 2014.
Ah, I have forgotten that; still looking forward to seeing it though.
-Pre-Order of Penthesilea Amazon Biker Special Edition from July 28th to August 31st at our online store or your FLGS. (Expected release date: late September)
So there won't be a physical rulebook for me to buy that I can hold in my hands? I know I can print the free PDF rules and get them bound etc (it's not the same), and I do use electronic devices regularly (warroom for warmahorde and wikki for infinity) sometimes I just like to hold a book. Just seems.... kinda lame. I was expecting to get a full set of rules minus the fluff in this box (ala 40k, WFB, Malifaux and Relic Knights when it arrives). If its just quick start rules seems kinda pointless for me to get this box as I don't do either faction. Was actually considering starting one of these factionscBECAUSE of the box, now? just lost my sale sadly.
Just confirmed I will get a copy of IceStorm from my GenCon ninja squad (the benefits of being a Yu Jing overlord is having TO camo minions to go to cons for me). So stoked i can barely contain my nerdsplosion.
I just hope they leave enough copies behind for me to snag one, it will be an unboxing extravaganza if I can get icestorm and if mantic does end up bringing mars attacks along.
I'm disappointed that the bonus figure is exclusive to Ice Storm. I want the bonus figure, but I collect neither Pan Oceania or Nomads and have little desire to collect either.
Do we know if they're actually packing the bonus model in or just giving it out in a blister? I was looking at grabbing the set for my nephews for Christmas (handy that one plays PanO and one plays Nomads), but I don't want to rip into their Christmas present to get that model out and give them an opened, unshrinkwrapped box for Christmas.
If they released it with the plain rulebook preorders too I'd be happier.
-Loki- wrote: I'm disappointed that the bonus figure is exclusive to Ice Storm. I want the bonus figure, but I collect neither Pan Oceania or Nomads and have little desire to collect either.
Do we know if they're actually packing the bonus model in or just giving it out in a blister? I was looking at grabbing the set for my nephews for Christmas (handy that one plays PanO and one plays Nomads), but I don't want to rip into their Christmas present to get that model out and give them an opened, unshrinkwrapped box for Christmas.
Honestly, better to open it now, check that everything is present and okay, than to wait four months and file a missing model claim. If you're feeling really industrious, you could find someone with a shrink wrapper.
Although you might have more trouble with the yellow sticker than the shrink wrap.
If I had to guess I would say that the miniature probably comes as an extra - based on how the other special went before (with the art book) and that selling the box into the future it would mean packing one set with and one without.
Like I say though just a guess, might be worthwhile contacting a FLGS that is selling it closer to the time (or even CB themselves) to enquire how it is packaged.
(although, as said above, you could always find someone who has a shrink-wrapper! )
I imagine it'll come in the box.. You can't really compare the artbook because that didn't have a box. It's not too much trouble to put a model in some boxes and not others, and slap a sticker on the front. Hell GW managed it with dark vengeance.
Will there be an option to buy the rules in an a5 book format minus art and fluff like Malifaux? I find these small rules only books great for when your at the table (I know the rules are free to download, s'not the same) and the big ones great for when your at home.
"Drop Bear" isn't a Koala. It's a myth from Australia of carnivorous Koalas that drop onto people's heads and attack them. It's probably because in the land of everything being deadly, Koalas didn't fit Australia's modus.
It is a 'Cosplay Edition' model, not at all necessary or needed to play Infinity in general or Neo Terra PanO in particular, and thus easily avoided if you don't like it though...
PsychoticStorm wrote: Probably, not, not much sense to do that when the thing you ask is available as a free download, most people will opt for that.
You could print it in A5 format though.
As I said, its not the same. The smaller books work very well for Malifaux and 40k/WFB. Shame as I didn't want to carry around a big heavy book or print outs.
Not a massive fan of the exclusive miniature, head/hair does not look right.
They can run out of those by Friday, just as long as they have ice storm left...
Would be more likely to pick up the penny reskin, maybe she could lead my someday aragoto biker gang, can vanilla pan-o even take bolts? I guess I could consider her to flesh out my new incidental pan-o faction.
GrimDork wrote: They can run out of those by Friday, just as long as they have ice storm left...
Would be more likely to pick up the penny reskin, maybe she could lead my someday aragoto biker gang, can vanilla pan-o even take bolts? I guess I could consider her to flesh out my new incidental pan-o faction.
Of course they can take Bolts, no sectional has a unit that the vanilla can't take.
GrimDork wrote: They can run out of those by Friday, just as long as they have ice storm left...
Would be more likely to pick up the penny reskin, maybe she could lead my someday aragoto biker gang, can vanilla pan-o even take bolts? I guess I could consider her to flesh out my new incidental pan-o faction.
From past Gencons I haven't noticed the infinity booth really moving fast. Last year there wasn't a big line on Thursday morning.
So I've been looking at Infinity for quite some time and I'm thinking of taking the plunge with this new Icestorm box. Nomads are even my favorite faction. Couple of questions, though.
Are the models all new or are they just repacking existing sculpts into a starter box?
I can pre-order it anywhere and still receive the LE model, right?
Dentry wrote: So I've been looking at Infinity for quite some time and I'm thinking of taking the plunge with this new Icestorm box. Nomads are even my favorite faction. Couple of questions, though.
Are the models all new or are they just repacking existing sculpts into a starter box?
I can pre-order it anywhere and still receive the LE model, right?
All new models.
You can preorder it from your retailer and get the LE model, yes. I'm sure online retailers will also have the LE mini offer.
Dentry, if you feel like getting into Nomads even before you can get Icestorm, either the Corregidor or Bakunin starter sets (which are subsets of the Nomad faction) would also be good starting-points. If you like 'em freaky and sneaky, go for Bakunin. Brutal and reliable, Corregidor. Or you can wait for Icestorm and probably get a balanced team that's not really oriented towards any of the sectorials.
Savnock wrote: Dentry, if you feel like getting into Nomads even before you can get Icestorm, either the Corregidor or Bakunin starter sets (which are subsets of the Nomad faction) would also be good starting-points. If you like 'em freaky and sneaky, go for Bakunin. Brutal and reliable, Corregidor. Or you can wait for Icestorm and probably get a balanced team that's not really oriented towards any of the sectorials.
Thanks for the tip, Savnock.
I've actually added the Corregidor Command set to my digital shopping cart many times, but never pulled the trigger. Was thinking of doing it with my Warstore order tomorrow (or some Szalamandras). Only worry now is that I'd buy some of the models in the command set twice if they have updated versions in the Icestorm box.
Looks the the end of July is going to be freaking expensive. In fact, there is a good chance that O:I + pre-release Penny + Cosplay Girl + Shipping is going to exactly equal my Zombicide Season 3 Patient 0 pledge.
Hmm, looks like it wasn't meant to be, Zombicide..
Savnock wrote: Dentry, if you feel like getting into Nomads even before you can get Icestorm, either the Corregidor or Bakunin starter sets (which are subsets of the Nomad faction) would also be good starting-points. If you like 'em freaky and sneaky, go for Bakunin. Brutal and reliable, Corregidor. Or you can wait for Icestorm and probably get a balanced team that's not really oriented towards any of the sectorials.
Thanks for the tip, Savnock.
I've actually added the Corregidor Command set to my digital shopping cart many times, but never pulled the trigger. Was thinking of doing it with my Warstore order tomorrow (or some Szalamandras). Only worry now is that I'd buy some of the models in the command set twice if they have updated versions in the Icestorm box.
There is nothing in the Corregidor Jurisdictional Command set that is being updated in Icestorm.
You're getting the "basic" Alguaciles in Icestorm, they're just an alternative unit to Wildcats(the CJC "line" unit in the box, since they were necessary for CJC in Paradiso as they provided Specialists).
The reason he says "You'll only need one" is because you can only take one. They might get higher AVA when the Tunguska Sectorial comes out in Acheron Falls, but I doubt it.
..although I do wonder how "Pre-order until August 31st" / "No longer available after GenCon" is going to work. It's not enough to translation the unique words, but the intent may not be forgotten also!
Siygess wrote: ..although I do wonder how "Pre-order until August 31st" / "No longer available after GenCon" is going to work. It's not enough to translation the unique words, but the intent may be forgotten also!
Koni clarified that the female "cosplay" Bolt and the early release of Penthesilea will not be available from anywhere except GenCon or their webstore.
You can preorder Icestorm through their webstore, pick it up at GenCon, or preorder it through your local shop/a webstore. What likely will be done in the latter option is that they are required to actually place your order before August 31st or they will not get allocated the "special" version.
They did the same thing with Campaign: Paradiso and the Infinity Artbook just with no dates.
That's certainly a reasonable and perhaps accurate translation but "Only available at GenCon, or through pre-order from x until y" is less contradictory than "Pre-order from x until y, no longer available after z (where z takes place between x and y)"
..but luckily for us, we heart CB for their miniatures, not their grasp of English
It's disheartening that they have so many fans who speak fluent English and Spanish and offering to help do translations(without being paid even!), but they keep insisting on using their in-house translators and Google translations.
Kanluwen wrote: It's disheartening that they have so many fans who speak fluent English and Spanish and offering to help do translations(without being paid even!), but they keep insisting on using their in-house translators and Google translations.
I'm hoping that all rules released from here on in get a serious 'translation upgrade'...
-Pre-Order of Penthesilea Amazon Biker Special Edition from July 28th to August 31st at our online store or your FLGS. (Expected release date: late September)
-Early release at GenCon!
-General release in December.
More info soon™!
Good to hear that this will be a general release. I might pick one up along with the Kum box once the 3rd edition rules come out even if I don't end up playing/collecting. I could always use some biker gangers for shadowrun after all.
Didn't we already know it was going to be a general release? Or was it more of a 'well, the Anaconda and Scarface were, so I guess she will be too' sort of thing?
Kanluwen wrote: The reason he says "You'll only need one" is because you can only take one. They might get higher AVA when the Tunguska Sectorial comes out in Acheron Falls, but I doubt it.
It wouldn't be for gaming purposes. Just like to own multiples some times for painting or display.
Kanluwen wrote: There is nothing in the Corregidor Jurisdictional Command set that is being updated in Icestorm.
Kanluwen wrote: The reason he says "You'll only need one" is because you can only take one. They might get higher AVA when the Tunguska Sectorial comes out in Acheron Falls, but I doubt it.
It wouldn't be for gaming purposes. Just like to own multiples some times for painting or display.
Kanluwen wrote: There is nothing in the Corregidor Jurisdictional Command set that is being updated in Icestorm.
Alright. Thanks for the calrification.
If you're serious about Corregidor, might I suggest the Geckos?
Or on the flipside if you're interested in Tunguska, it is quite likely that they will have access to the Anaconda Mercenary Squadron.
Hmmm, I might get Ice Storm (so that's it's easier for me to get friends into playing Infinity) but gah. so much backlog it's not even funny. And with Infinity models I feel that it's a waste to just paint them tabletop quality.
We are here to inform you that there is a mistake on the pre-order announcement of Penthesilea. She will be available ONLY AT OUR ONLINE STORE (or GenCon). She will be available from your FLGS in December.
As much as I want more Hassassins, I don't think it is. She isn't armored enough for an Aquila Guard, and I think the knees lack the trademark Haqq triangle.
...So is that only for webstore/gencon orders or also for FLGS orders? If I were to guess, I'd pick the first, but since CB seems so intent on not stealing away customers from local stores and whatnot...
Bolognesus wrote: ...So is that only for webstore/gencon orders or also for FLGS orders? I'd think the first, but since CB seems so intent on not stealing away customers from local stores and whatnot...
Corvus Belli wrote:Attention! Every participant at Interplanetary tournament will be able to purchase a copy of Operation:Icestorm. Only participants and only 1 unit. If you're interested, please send an email to interplanetary[at]corvusbelli.com
The presentation of both the board and the crates is really slick. It makes me wish I had more than a few hours a month to work on my own Infinity board
Corvus Belli wrote:Attention! Every participant at Interplanetary tournament will be able to purchase a copy of Operation:Icestorm. Only participants and only 1 unit. If you're interested, please send an email to interplanetary[at]corvusbelli.com
Does this mean that you have to be participating in the tournament to be able to purchase a copy of OP: icestorm? Or are participants guaranteed a copy?
Wow, that terrain! Couple of stills from, guessing this is Acontencimento (going on the force on the display board) and that must be the remains of PanOceaniac Flight 815 (wasn't that the flight carrying the characters in Lost?! )
Some really slick looking terrain, and a good looking presentation (wish I could speak Spanish!) Also, for some reason I now really want to buy a tool belt..
That is quite possibly THE best demo table I've ever seen! It's like a scene from any of a dozen sci-fi movies, perfectly executed in miniature form. Looks more like a diorama than a gaming table, yet it still looks quite playable, with lots of cover and LoF blocking. Not something that would hold up to repeated play on (layout-wise), but for one off missions and scenarios (and, of course, demos) it would be amazing!
I hate to ask since I have a bad feeling I know the answer, but is that shuttle an available kit that was thrashed up and made to look crashed or a scratch-build?
Although I have already enough of the PanO I need and was on and off starting Nomads as a new faction, I am interested in Op: Icestorm depending on the price and what else is in the box.
It's a gorgeous display peice, but it would be super irritating to play on.
True. Still it's amazing how rich it is in all those little details. It's like a mixture of asian city with a favela. I should have a small ramen shop somewhere or even better, a flying asian restaurant like the one in 5th element.
I'm kind of bummed about this new box and the preorder etc. I mean, on one hand, I want it because Infinity. On the other, I remember that my Caledonians haven't made it out of the box in months because no one at the store plays. I think the pubhammer spot on Sundays has started though, so maybe if I can find time to go there I can justify it...
I could spend hours just setting up dramatic scenes and taking pictures, let alone playing!
But... isn't that a bit small for a proper game of infinity?
I haven't gotten to do anything but one little attempt at the quickstart rules but i thought it was meant to be 4x4' for a standard game? What could you actually do on this table, aside form taking amazing photos and videos?
I think the fact that the board goes up and down a lot would mitigate the issue with the shorter width and length of the board - you would still have distance between the miniatures for them to be able to engage at different ranges, which is really why the board size is recommended to be a certain size. You could also cut the points down a little (perhaps to 150 or 200) which would probably be a bit more fun.
The biggest issue with this board would be accessing the different floors of the buildings. Obviously you wouldn't be able to keep taking it apart and putting it back together, so you would need to find some other way of representing floor plans and unit placement - think I would probably have another table next to this one, with some nicely printed floor plans representing each floor of the buildings.
Beautiful board though, I would give my eye-teeth to be able to play on something like that..
Oh, i just thought most infinity players tended to treat buildings as large cement boxes, you guys actually use the insides? Maybe what i read was that being able to see through buildings across the board (like you could with gw ruins terrain) was an issue, and not that going into them was problematic.
Cool, makes my battlezones scenery even more useful if being able to get at the insides of building is desirable.
And interesting that the height may make the smaller space viable for normal games, I've always had a thing for taller terrain. Huh.
motyak wrote: I'm kind of bummed about this new box and the preorder etc. I mean, on one hand, I want it because Infinity. On the other, I remember that my Caledonians haven't made it out of the box in months because no one at the store plays. I think the pubhammer spot on Sundays has started though, so maybe if I can find time to go there I can justify it...
To be fair, this is exactly the sort of situation CB are hoping this starter will remedy. There's a lot of interest in the game from people who would buy in with a friend if a 2 player starter existed. That's who this is intended to capture as a market. The more people that buy in, the more that will keep playing.
I agree getting a lot of people who are on the fence to buy in can only increase awareness of the game and create a nice upward spiral for people playing it. I know for sure I could use some more players around the Sam Houston area as I had to buy two 200 point armies and all the terrain just to get my friends to play to occasional game with me. That took a lot of cash/time on my part and I know not everyone has that.
Corvus Belli wrote:Attention! Every participant at Interplanetary tournament will be able to purchase a copy of Operation:Icestorm. Only participants and only 1 unit. If you're interested, please send an email to interplanetary[at]corvusbelli.com
Does this mean that you have to be participating in the tournament to be able to purchase a copy of OP: icestorm? Or are participants guaranteed a copy?
Nobody seems to have responded to this one.
The Interplanetary is the tournament happening in Vigo, Spain, in two weeks time, nothing to do with GenCon.
About a week ago, Colin Clarke on the Infinity Australia Facebook Group was able to conduct an interview with CB staffer David Rosillo Lizana aka. 'Palanka' about Corvus Belli, Operation Icestorm and Infinity N3. The questions mostly came from the rest of the community. I'm copying it in below for you guys to see.
David, can you tell us a bit about yourself and your job at Corvus Belli, and how long have you been working there?
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Well… that’s a hard question to answer, because I’m one of the “Bards” or Geek Speak for Jack-of-all-trades at Corvus Belli. I don’t usually sing or weight tights though, but I do play D&D In my main role, I’m one of the Game Designers, the Organized Play Manager and the Layout Designer. But I also help with marketing, merchandising, programming for the current website, customer service, event support, and the WarCors program. I’m also the one that brings the afternoon coffees to the office.
I’ve been working at Corvus Belli for two years and a half now, since January 2012. I did some freelance work before, like the website or some consulting, but in 2012 Infinity became my full-time job.
For Infinity, I like to play all of the factions, but if I have to choose a favourite faction, it’s the Nomads. Fluffwise I’m in love with Tunguska, but I also really enjoy the gameplay for Corregidor and Bakunin.
Of all the miniatures, its hard to pick one favourite as a standout, but four I like most in no particular order are: Shinobu Kitsune, the Hafza with crossed arms, the Prowler with Spitfire, and the Oznat.
What do you enjoy most about your job?
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Knowing that so many people enjoy what we do. Also, I’ve always wanted to be a Game Designer, and As Dr. Pulsipher who is a real inspiration to anyone interested in Game Design says, “My favourite game is that of designing games”.
What makes Corvus Belli such a great place to work at?
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We make Infinity miniatures! Also, my coworkers are really awesome, funny and talented people. I sit next to Fer Liste, the CEO, so I’m the one constantly “enjoying” his “jokes” with my face of “What just happened? I can’t even…”.
We always hear a lot of info about Infinity, but it would be good to hear about Corvus Belli. How many people currently work for Corvus Belli, and what sort of job roles do people have there?
Spoiler:
There are 30 full-time employees at Corvus Belli. Most of them, like my wife, work in the workshop/warehouse making, packing and delivering the awesome miniatures we all love. Then, we have Fer (CEO), Bego (Sales Director), Carlos “Koni” (Community Manager), David “Daf” (Production Manager, Programmer and Painter), Jesús “uVe” (Game Designer and Lead Programmer) and myself whose workstations are setup on a little wooden platform sitting above the warehouse floor, known as the “Administrative Area”.
Finally, there’s the “Artists Den” where you can find Carlos “Bostria” (our Showman Extraordinaire, Graphic Designer and Concept Artist), Carlos Torres (Art Director, Game Designer and Concept Artist), Alberto “Bran Do Castro” (Graphic Design Director), Ángel Giráldez (Master Painter), Jose Luis Roig (Scupltor), Fausto Gutiérrez (Sculptor) and Alex (Mould Artisan and Scenery Artist).
Gutier, the Game Design Director and Writer of all the background doesn’t usually work at Corvus Belli’s offices, but from a nearby coffee shop. He comes to the office three times a week to attend Game Design meetings while he eats his daily banana.
What sort of process is involved and how long does it generally take for Corvus Belli to take an idea like the upcoming Infinity 3rd Edition Rulebook from the basic idea to the finished product?
Spoiler:
We’ve been working on N3 since May 2012.
Game Design is an iterative process. At first, we planned the first changes we thought the game needed, submitted those changes to the internal play-testers. After initial feedback, we changed the texts according to the results and play-tested again… We repeat that process until the core mechanics were solid. We then added a new batch of changes to the system and repeated the process over and over again. It feels a little like cooking: you add the main ingredients and taste it. Spice it a little, stir, and taste again. Repeat until it’s perfect, or you added so much spice you have to throw it away and start again.
After that, when we think we have reached a really good level of polish, we sent the play-testing documents to the external play-testers and repeated the whole process again with their feedback. It’s been hard work, but also really interesting.
What are the aspirations for Corvus Belli? Does CB intend to remain a more niche and focused company centred on just Infinity, or does CB aspire to grow substantially and diversify into other games/systems?
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Our main concern is Infinity. Every effort right now goes to the present and future of Infinity: a new edition, new expansions, more miniatures, etc. But there are always other plans in the works, or at least in our minds.... Other than conquering the world of course
Where do you guys see CB in the next 2, 5 & 10 years time?
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In two years we will be in a place very similar to the one we’re in today: releasing re-sculpts and new profiles at the same time, and adding a new expansions to provide you with new profiles and exciting game-changing (like Link Teams & Objective-based missions) rules to stir up your heads and your list-building meta.
In five years we plan to have a huge global community of players, with a massive Organized Play Program far greater than the ITS we all know today, with formats designed for both highly competitive gamers and casual/narrative players. We might also release a new game/system by then.
I can’t even imagine what Corvus Belli and Infinity will be like in ten years... Besides adding Robot Ninja Nazis riding Zombie Mutant Dinosaurs who fight against Sexy Monkey Pirates wearing Stetsons to Infinity, of course.
Technology is changing the world we know on a daily basis, and our industry has remained almost the same for more than a century. When I think of what technologies like 3D printing have to offer, I see the hobby as we know it changing a lot in the coming years. Not towards videogames, but to something new.
How do you guys decide on which models to sculpt and when they are to be released?
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It’s a rather complex process, involving some animal bones (normally left over chicken wings), blood (fake stuff made from red currant jelly) and debauchery (like eating Cheetos & drinking soda at the same time).
Jokes aside, it’s really hard to decide what goes next. We have a plan for the next two years of releases, and we’re constantly reviewing and updating it depending on a LOT of factors (like sales, game needs, awesome design ideas that strike us suddenly like wild pokemon, etc.
Does CB have any plans in the future to release a rule set for TAG only combat, like that of the Titanfall computer games?
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I would love to work on that kind of ruleset, for sure! I think the Infinity universe has a LOT to offer besides the current spec-ops skirmishes, and I’d really like to let the players explore it in new ways.
Are CB open to licensing the Infinity universe and IP out to other companies like computer game developers, writers, etc?
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Sure, but it’s really difficult. Infinity has a really high quality standard, and we’ve found that for a lot of potential partners it’s really hard to reach it when it comes to licensing Infinity. I don’t lose my faith, though, and I’m eager to see the day when we announce something like an Infinity videogame or an Infinity novel.
CB has done an awesome job with a very unique ruleset and universe in the sci-fi genre. Given the amazing quality of the miniatures and CB’s dedication to a well balanced ruleset, does CB have plans for a future high fantasy styled skirmish game?
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That’s something we talk about every now and then, particularly after one of us has seen a new episode of Game of Thrones, or someone has been reading Discworld, or run a game of D&D, or.... well you get the picture. Right now though, all our efforts are focused on Infinity.
I understand you are one of the key staff behind the creation of the upcoming Battlebox. What where you required to do, and what length of time did the Battlebox take to go from an initial concept to a finished product?
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Operation: Icestorm has been my main project besides N3 for the last year. One of the main objectives of N3 is to make Infinity easier to learn, and Operation: Icestorm is our main weapon to accomplish that objective, along with Electroshock Therapy if that doesn’t work.
I designed the base product and then the rest of the team transformed it into something perfect. It’s hands down the best product ever released for Infinity. Period.
I can’t stress enough how wonderful it is to see how people as talented as my coworkers take your ideas and add their own to evolve it into something better. The more final content I saw from Operation: Icestorm, the more excited I was. The miniatures are amazing. The new techniques developed by our sculptors have allowed us to make the miniatures easier to assemble while keeping all of the awesomesauce.
The new art is inspiring and vibrant, as you have seen in our previews. The booklet is packed with graphics, diagrams and sidebars that will make our basic rules easier than ever to understand. And of top of it there are the “extras”. The faction dice, the new templates, the markers, … I’m really, really proud of what Operation: Icestorm has become
In a previous interview, you indicated that the booklet included in the box was a sort of introduction to the 3rd Edition ruleset, with a narrative campaign to play between the two small forces included. Will the narrative campaign be useful from a demo perspective, and if so, is the campaign the recommended way to teach people Infinity 3rd Edition?
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Of course! Operation: Icestorm is the ultimate Infinity demo toolset. The campaign introduces the basic rules little by little, from a very basic skirmish between a handful of Light Infantry units to a complete battle with all the miniatures in the box. And there’s even a guide on where to go from there!
The new artwork that we have seen for the Battlebox looks amazing. Is this the style of artwork we can look forward to for all future releases??
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Of course! If you like the art shown so far, you will drool over what we have for N3... But please do it at home, in your bathroom and without witnesses. Others might find it disturbing.
Can CB provide an approximate price point for the Battlebox?
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All I can say by now is that it will cost less than 100€... and more than 1€.
Are CB able to confirm the contents of the Battlebox?
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It will have 14 metal miniatures (15 if you take advantage of the pre-order offer); a Booklet both in English and Spanish with the Introductory Rules, the narrative campaign and an introduction to the Infinity Universe; 6 custom faction dice, 3 for Nomads and 3 for PanOceania; all the markers you may need for the miniatures included inside the box; a redesigned circular template; the first N3 Silhouette template; a movement ruler; and a pack of scenery ready to play.
Why did CB decide to start working on Infinity 3rd Edition?
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Infinity’s player base has grown exponentially for the last few years, at approximately 75% growth per year, with all signs indicating that it’s just the beginning. With the constant influx of new players, we wanted to deliver an easier way to begin in Infinity and make the gameplay experience even better for veteran players too.
Is there much in the way of fundamental design changes to the Infinity 3rd Edition rule set, compared to 2nd Edition?
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The backbone is still the same. Most changes are in the wording, the structure and the layout. Of course, some parts of the game have been completely redone, like Close Combat and Hacking (I absolutely love the new Hacking Rules), and some other parts have been tweaked, like Loss of Lieutenant and Retreat, but the core mechanics are still the same.
From a design perspective, what is the purpose of 3rd Edition? What were CB’s goals for 3rd Edition?
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We decided to release N3 when we felt we needed to strengthen the core of the game, with clearer wording for the rules, and a better layout/design of the book. That’s what we knew Infinity needed most. We also wanted to lower the entry barrier and make it easier to access the Infinity universe for new players.
Do you have any photos of some tables in which play-testing has occurred on?
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This is the only one I had in my phone:
Are CB utilising native English speaking play-testers for the English translation of the game to try and prevent any unclear wording, which has proved problematic for some of the 2nd Edition rules?
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Yes. We have people from different countries (USA, UK, Canada and Australia) reviewing the texts and play-testing the game. Also, we have a new approach for the rules wording & structure that is helping a lot.
That’s it for now folks. A big thanks to David Rosillo Lizana (aka Palanka) for taking the time to answer some questions for us here in the Infinity Australia Facebook Group. Good luck with Operation: Icestorm & Infinity 3rd Edition.
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This will probably answer some of the questions over here on Dakka too.
Faction-specific PanO dice... But only three of them (you'll need five, of course!). Heh, didn't even consider preordering a second box for a moment... Honestly
Nice to hear close combat is being completely reworked. While I don't want to see Infinity turn into 40k, where hitting someone with your sword is preferable to shooting them in the face from 30 meters away, the CC rules are very anaemic. They can definitely be expanded without making the game become melee centric.
Hacking being greatly expanded (2.5 pages of rules right now compared to apparently 6 in N3) pleases me also, even if I play factions that aren't great at it. Hacking is this games psychic or magic type special ability, so seeing it expanded is awesome.
For cc... seems like if you can get to 4-8 inches away, especially behind the opponent, then you should have a reasonable chance of success... like maybe they don't get to shoot or at least a panic fire be reduction, maybe with a rule (or included within an existing rule) that let's some units ignore it.. or something.
Price between 1-100€ huh? So its probably 100-125 then, unless my currency rates are off, euros are like 1.3 dollars ish?
Automatically Appended Next Post: For cc... seems like if you can get to 4-8 inches away, especially behind the opponent, then you should have a reasonable chance of success... like maybe they don't get to shoot or at least a panic fire be reduction, maybe with a rule (or included within an existing rule) that let's some units ignore it.. or something.
Price between 1-100€ huh? So its probably 100-125 then, unless my currency rates are off, euros are like 1.3 dollars ish?
Are there any current or rumored 3e ally rules for Infinity? If for instance, you like the new Kum riders can you use them in any way outside of playing a Haqq force? I know they have some mercs in the game but that seems to be limited to certain models and not some sort of general ally rule from my casual readings.
Nope. They're getting rid of the "current" mercenary rules(which were basically: If X is shiny and you like it, you can make a Mercenary force with lower AVA as long as the unit is from the Human Sphere and not Combined Army or Tohaa) and making what are effectively "Mercenary Sectorials".
warboss wrote: Are there any current or rumored 3e ally rules for Infinity? If for instance, you like the new Kum riders can you use them in any way outside of playing a Haqq force? I know they have some mercs in the game but that seems to be limited to certain models and not some sort of general ally rule from my casual readings.
I certainly wouldn't want to see this. Infinity right now is extremely well balanced due to unit selections a faction has coupled with their faction specific boosted attributes and/or tech. I'd hate to see what would happen to that balance if they let someone take allies. Even Kum - they're super fast units that have zero-v smoke launchers, in a faction that doesn't have a lot in the way of visors that can see through it. Throw them as allies in a faction that has better access to said visors... ugh.
I reckon V3 will be the time I jump into Infinity. Quick question for those of you in the know: will the main rulebook include all the necessary army lists and any applicable faction rules?
.Mikes. wrote: I reckon V3 will be the time I jump into Infinity. Quick question for those of you in the know: will the main rulebook include all the necessary army lists and any applicable faction rules?
We don't know.
They've said that the 3rd edition rulebook will only encompass what was in the 2nd edition rulebook, and that Human Sphere and Paradiso would work seamlessly with it.
But they've also said they're changing stuff about, like hacking, CC, and even weapons, which is bound to change point values. Pretty sure they've actually said in a Q&A the sniper rifle has not only had range bands changed, but gotten cheaper. That will affect units from Human Sphere and Paradiso.
What I hope for is all unit profiles and weapon profiles to be in N3, but CB have stated Tohaa and Aleph won't be in it, so... who knows.
Hopefully they figure out a more elegant solution to what we have now - either juggling 3 books and a PDF, or over half a dozen PDFs.
Kanluwen wrote: Nope. They're getting rid of the "current" mercenary rules(which were basically: If X is shiny and you like it, you can make a Mercenary force with lower AVA as long as the unit is from the Human Sphere and not Combined Army or Tohaa) and making what are effectively "Mercenary Sectorials".
That seems odd that they'd get rid of it but I guess from the link below that it wasn't tourney legal so was treated more as an "opponent's permission" type thing in practice rather than theory if 40k player habits cross over to infinity. I guess an army of the two types of figs I like most (geckos and Kum riders) won't really be possible.
.Mikes. wrote: So they haven't announced that there'l be more than one book?
Also, newb question: did the 2nd edition include army lists?
There's already 3 books - the Core 2nd edition rulebook, and the expansions Human Sphere and Campaign Paradiso.
The idea behind N3 is to rewrite, retranslate and basically clear up the Core rules. Human Sphere added Link Teams, and a slew of new special rules and units, but didn't touch the Core rules. Paradiso added the Paradiso Campaign system and some new units and special rules, but didn't touch the Core rules.
N3 will only rewrite the 2nd edition Core rulebook. It won't touch anything from Human Sphere or Paradiso, apparently, and those books will remain useable for what they added (link teams, campaign system).
The grey area comes from changing weapons around, which will cause point changes, not to mention core rules like hacking and close combat. This will affect units in other books, either by directly changing their points by changing the points of a weapon they have (like the previous example of Sniper Rifles getting cheaper - every unit with a sniper rifle will need an updated points listing), or indirectly through core rules changing (hacking getting expanded could make hackers more expensive, CC getting expanded could make CC oriented units more expensive).
This raises questions about how they will update the points for units added in Human Sphere and Campaign Paradiso, since they've said they aren't touching those books, and won't include Aleph or Tohaa in the 3rd edition rulebook at all (as the books add to the fluff as they go, those forces weren't known in the core rulebooks fluff).
Ah, so those books will remain current, but the points associated may change. Right, that's clearer, thank you.
One more newb question (I do apologise for them). I'm wanting to get a PanO Military Orders and an Aridanda Highlander sectorial armies. Which book would I be needing to get all the stats, rules and fluff for these?
CB provides for free the rules and army lists in the form of PDF from their site, they also provide an online army list building software again available from their site, so no books are necessary to have the rules or the army lists.
If you are interested in the fluff or simply want books all books are relevant, the main book for the sectorials is Human Sphere but Paradiso includes additional troops for the sectorials and fluff.
You don't need any! That's the great thing. You can go download all of that, right now, from CB's website in the downloads section.
If you want the books, you'd need all 3 for those, as they have units spanning all books. But obviously, I'd wait a couple of months to buy the core rulebook.
This is the main problem with Infinity - army lists, unit profiles and weapon ststs are spread across multiple books and PDFs (for units added after Paradiso). Even if you go the downloaded PDF route, they're in even more PDFs, as there are separate unit listing, weapon listing and rule PDFs for each book.
This is the one thing I wanted them to fix with N3, but it appears they're not. When a new player asks about the game and what PDF's to download, it's pretty daunting to see the laundry list of PDF's you need.
Thanks so much Micky for that post, and bringing those comments here!
That answers a lot of the questions asked over the past 20 pages of this thread, and also adds some interesting bits about the company (30 staff in the company, 75% growth of the company for the past few years, the playtest process etc.)
Thanks for posting the interview Mickey. Working on N3 Since May 2012? That is a hell of a lot of playtesting then. Good to hear.
Custom D20s. Cool! And ~$125-$135 at normal retail, so... $100-$110 with a 20% off from the usual sources. Not at all unreasonable. But since I do not want the Cosplay Bolt, It will be cheaper to buy the box and Alt-penny from Miniature Market or elsewhere than at GenCon. So I wait a little longer.
Chemical Cutthroat wrote: Loki. Really? Not playing factions good at hacking? Dude we play Haqq! We're the best!
In all fairness, the Reverend Custodier is probably the best hacker. Which is why my Fiday always wants to make a bee-line for her. Which makes my Barid very happy. QK hacking OTOH, is kind of meh.
heartserenade wrote: My Haqq's version of hacking would be the kind of hacking that uses a sword.
Red Harvest wrote: And that is not a Surface of any sort. It is a Wacom Cintiq 22HD touch.
I know - I mean, it even says Wacom on the front - however a Cintiq 22HD is a little out of my price range. But a Surface Pro 2? Well, okay, that's out of my price range too. But.. less so
Pacific wrote: Thanks so much Micky for that post, and bringing those comments here!
That answers a lot of the questions asked over the past 20 pages of this thread, and also adds some interesting bits about the company (30 staff in the company, 75% growth of the company for the past few years, the playtest process etc.)
Yes - seconded!
Thank you VERY much for posting that here Micky - exalted!
I can't find the post - it isn't something 'permanent', is it?
On the link, top post on their facebook, hit the see more button to see the English post.
Pretty much on August 1st the Official board will no longer allow you to post (but will stay up) on Oct 1 it will be brought down permanently. And Data-Sphere and Warcors will be the 2 main "forums" for Infinity going forward.
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Infinity’s online community evolves
From its beginnings in December 2005, Infinity’s online community has grown an changed constantly. And it still does! August 1st will be the beginning of a new phase in which Corvus Belli hands over the management of the online community to InfinityWarCors.com and Data-Sphere.net. Infinity players will find there new communities, made by fans for fans.
Since August 1st, the current forums won’t allow new posts, but will remain accessible until October 1st.
Wait no longer! Register now at InfinityWarCors.com and Data-Sphere.net and be a part of the new online community of Infinity players.
Hopefully Koni or Palanka will remain active here on Dakka and post the rumors/news...because I'm not registering for more freaking forums just to keep up to date on Infinity.
I'll post the Google translation in the absence of anything better - it sounds like a permanent move.
-Infinity's online community evolves From its beginnings in December 2005, Infinity's online community has grown an changed constantly. And it still does! August 1st will be the beginning of a new phase in which Corvus Belli hands over the management of the online community to InfinityWarCors.com and DataSphere.net. Infinity players will find there new communities, made by fans for fans.
Since August 1st, the current forums won't allow new posts, but will remain accessible until October 1st.
Wait no longer! Register now at InfinityWarCors.com and DataSphere.net and be a part of the new online community of Infinity players.
Well.. I think this is a big move.
I'm a member at Datasphere - I enjoy that it seems more relaxed and with less confrontation than the official forums, but at the same time that is a big ask to make it the official forum for Infinity players.
From what I can gather, InfinityWarCors is a Spanish language forum.
Now.. I do wonder whether the official forums have had anyone working on them for some time. You'd get stuff like the player-made mission links, which was based on the previous version of the forum, yet had never been updated (so none of the links worked). It had been like that for ages, and maybe in that sense this is why they are being removed from the official site, in that they weren't being handled particularly well.
Overall, I'm not convinced this is a positive step, and I still think it would be nice if CB could find someone from their staff to work with the forum. They've got links with some quite talented computer people (look at Devil Team with the online army builder for instance). They already had moderators working for free (I presume), so surely it couldn't have been that big a step to keep it for the 'hardcore' fans that regularly use the forum, even if this is happening as some kind of website relaunch?
There is also a danger here that CB could be seen to 'doing a GW', of cutting off an avenue of contact to their player base. Now I know Bostria and some other CB guys post on Data Sphere, and I know from their output (and actually, from having spoken to them personally) that they try and give the fans what they want, but I'm talking purely about customer perception here and it's almost certain that it's going to be negative.
Maybe we'll get a lot more activity here, on Dakka?
Also - is there an English section on WARCORS?
I can't find it...
I can't either. Not sure if they intend to have one or use Data-Sphere as the English outlet.
And it would be nice if we could generate more Infinity Traffic, but I think we are at a bit of a disadvantage since most of the other major Infinity Community sites (forums) do Infinity articles. Perhaps if we could find some talented writers maybe we could draw more players in.
