I think you could make a cool oil rig table and have it playable for everyone, or whatever the equivalent of an oil rig would be 175 years in the future. Kamino cloning facility? Artificial island resort?
Personally, I hope they don't resculpt the ORC too far away from the original, that was the original Infinity model shown and still one of my top 5 favorites. They just need to fix the awkward combi rifle arm into something that actually looks like it's being used
I think you could make a cool oil rig table and have it playable for everyone, or whatever the equivalent of an oil rig would be 175 years in the future. Kamino cloning facility? Artificial island resort?
Do you have the Infinity Art Book? If so: There is an art plate of a Varuna resort complex. Looks like something out of the game "Brink".
Personally, I hope they don't resculpt the ORC too far away from the original, that was the original Infinity model shown and still one of my top 5 favorites. They just need to fix the awkward combi rifle arm into something that actually looks like it's being used
I think it'll get a new pose and possibly become a bit beefier.
I think you could make a cool oil rig table and have it playable for everyone, or whatever the equivalent of an oil rig would be 175 years in the future. Kamino cloning facility? Artificial island resort?
Do you have the Infinity Art Book? If so: There is an art plate of a Varuna resort complex. Looks like something out of the game "Brink".
Uuugh. Don't remind me of that game. So much potential. So much fail.
But now that you mention that, it would be a killer idea for a Varuna themed board. And the Kamau are part of the elite anti-terrorism units and all that.
...if Brink had movement systems like Titanfall did, it would have been much much better. Or at least more interesting.
Why must all the things with pretty art styles die in obscurity...
Damn, I totally missed that news about the starter. I guess we have a pretty good idea where that Mobile Brigada sculpt will be showing up. I do wonder if this is going to be a Tunguska heave set though. Most of Corregidor either has received a new sculpt or already had good ones aside from the Alguaciles. Bakunin doesn't really fit the fluff of industrial espionage while Tunguska does and they lack enough units to actually field a sectorial.
I kind of wonder if those silhouettes are actually indicative of the figures that'll be in the starter. If so, both sides seem to have guys waving swords around.
Varuna sectorial might actually get me to be interested in PanO. I hope it happens soon, but it seems like the starter set is going to be Svalarheima.
Is there any kind of ETA on this, even educated speculation? I would be sorely tempted to pick it up if it were at gencon, for instance, though the 3.0 rules are probably not due out by then (if they are actually included or used by this). If it were likely to be there I'd need to hold back some more cash.
the really nice thing about that 2-player starter is that I might finally be able to get Tamburlaine to play the game with me. I kind of hope that is the first N3 product out the gate.
Having two infinity factions would be good for me too, i'm pretty likely to just keep collecting nomads for the foreseeable future... and individuals or sets for dioramas.
GrimDork wrote: Is there any kind of ETA on this, even educated speculation? I would be sorely tempted to pick it up if it were at gencon, for instance, though the 3.0 rules are probably not due out by then (if they are actually included or used by this). If it were likely to be there I'd need to hold back some more cash.
Gen Con seems the most likely, given when they've started teasing.
GrimDork wrote: Is there any kind of ETA on this, even educated speculation? I would be sorely tempted to pick it up if it were at gencon, for instance, though the 3.0 rules are probably not due out by then (if they are actually included or used by this). If it were likely to be there I'd need to hold back some more cash.
Gen Con seems the most likely, given when they've started teasing.
I hope not GenCon, as GenCon releases mean that it won't be generally available until November to January...
I just think that it wouldn't make sense as a pre-release.
Anyone can wait a few months extra for a TAG and it makes a nice bonus for people who come to the convention. Having the first proper starter set for the game as an 'attendee bonus' would be nuts, that's something that needs to be on worldwide sale as soon as it's available.
Especially if it involves new Nomad and PanO starter packs.
I've played with Water rules before in Infinity, on a board made of platforms and tiny islands connected by bridges, with buildings on top.
Ran Kamau, a Cutter and various other pure land units. My naval team swam in, going prone to break LOS under water and with terrain in the way, popped up and aced some Ariadnans.
My Ariadnan opponent used their WB units (Caledonians) to tangle it up with me in the water, as they had multiterrain. It was actually really cool.
That does sound neat, I think as long as both players get to know about conditions like that (and have a potential solution) it could lead to some pretty fun gaming.
Killionaire wrote: I've played with Water rules before in Infinity, on a board made of platforms and tiny islands connected by bridges, with buildings on top.
Ran Kamau, a Cutter and various other pure land units. My naval team swam in, going prone to break LOS under water and with terrain in the way, popped up and aced some Ariadnans.
My Ariadnan opponent used their WB units (Caledonians) to tangle it up with me in the water, as they had multiterrain. It was actually really cool.
That does sound very cool! Been thinking of doing a similar thing with a spaceship/external of a spaceship hull if I can ever get the bits together.
Is that German camo he's using? That ought to be an impressive paintjob then.
I'm surprised that nobody else has posted about it, but Antenociti dropped quite a bit of info about the "Made for Infinity" Kickstarters he'll be doing. Yes, Kickstarters.
Hey JJ,
Yup, there are two KS's planned atm.
The one we're currently going flat-out on to get ready ASAP is "Forward Base" which (should) include the following:
Resin & Metal Vehicles
Fork-Lift* (Volgren Troller) (in 3D Design)
Hopper (Industria Aeronautica) (Flyer)* (in 3D Design)
If its got a * next to it then it is still being worked on.. main "delay" at the moment is awaiting pre-painted samples and costing for the MDF scenery.
There are no previews available at the moment (some items still need CB authorization and most have not yet been painted), updates will appear in this forum and on our Facebook page as we get them.
We are trying to get this on to KS for the end of June... however that date is subject to change.
Delivery date <=3 months from end date
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KS 2: "Urban Deconstruction":
(Following list is preliminary and subject to change)
Buildings: x11 (Doctors, Sushi Bar, Modular Kiosks, Nightclub, Police Station, House 1, House 2, Apartment, Garage, Vehicle Bodyshop, Garbage Disposal Unit)
Gaming mat x 5 types (each of two sizes)
Gaming Tiles Set (urban)
Building Interior Packs: x9 +
Civilian Vehicles (x23 {and counting} including Bus, Truck, Vans etc)
Dropships 1, 2 & 3.
Tentative date September 2014
Delivery Date <=3 months from end date
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That's really about as much as I know at this point!
This was all shamelessly copy/pasted from his page about it on CB's forum.
<=3mo from the KS end date for delivery is quite ambitious. We all know that Kickstarters rarely hit their mark, but with AW and all this prior organization, it seems believable.
It's almost as if he knows these projects will be a success.
I'm only disappointed that the Dropships will come after the buildings/terrain. With only three of them, it's unlikely Aleph or Haqqi will get one (which means they'll have to 'acquire' one through other means).
Absolutionis wrote: With only three of them, it's unlikely Aleph or Haqqi will get one (which means they'll have to 'acquire' one through other means).
Absolutionis wrote: With only three of them, it's unlikely Aleph or Haqqi will get one (which means they'll have to 'acquire' one through other means).
The first 3 are Aleph, Haqqislam and Yu Jing.
They also plan to do at least one per faction.
Scratch all that. I am very, very excited.
I would have thought some Nomads catbus boobship would have been a higher priority.
All depends on what Corvus Belli approves. They redid concept art for CB to approve and the 3 that were approved were the old Grendel, Harrier and Krokodil.
This is the preliminary Haqqislam dropship, based off the original Grendal design.
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Aleph, based on the original Harrier.
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Yu Jing Azure Dragon.
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This is the original Krokodil that the Azure Dragon is based on.
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The Azure Dragon is the only one we've seen final CB approved designs for.
I really like the Azure Dragon. I recall Antenociti had shown off a fourth concept that looked extremely blocky with some very large guns. I have a feeling if that one ever got approved, it'd wind up as the Nomads ship.
I'm actually not that fond of the Azure Dragon. I'm so glad the Grendel wound up as the Haqqislam dropship, it was my favourite of the three. The Harrier is neat as well.
I'm slightly disappointed they're not expanding on the dropship rules. I feel they could have made them an actual entry for every list without breaking the game if they really wanted to. But I'll enjoy having it as a piece of badass terrain and can't wait to see any scenarios that come from it (I'd really dig an evacuation type scenario).
It's probably me being selfish but I wish the Grendal design had been put aside for use later as the Ariadna dropship.. because to my eyes it looks perfect just the way it is. It just needs a couple of Kazak's fast-roping from the troop compartment!
Ariadna dropship: more along the lines of an enclosed main rotor/rotors, like the RDA gunship from Avatar.
Although I had hoped the Grendal would be theirs. I really like that design.
Someone on the Infinity forums pointed out that there are rules for Dropships in the book already. They're generic, and don't allow any offensive uses, but do allow a model to be used on the board.
ski2060 wrote: Someone on the Infinity forums pointed out that there are rules for Dropships in the book already. They're generic, and don't allow any offensive uses, but do allow a model to be used on the board.
Sort of. They're 'opponents permission' and have varying levels of transport capacity based on the unit type being transported.
But as I said, I'm disappointed they didn't expand on them. There's ways to expand their role without breaking the game, and it's a shame they didn't explore them, even if they wanted to leave them as opponents permission.
Are the quickstarter rules any good?
I've started with Warmachine and their QS rules and in the end I would've prefered to have started with the full rules. I think it's just better to get the whole picture from the beginning.
RoninXiC wrote: So.. guys.
IF I want to start Infinity... what should I do first?
I'm a big fan of the Beasts of War quick start rules - involve the use of the basic mechanics of the game, and will get you playing with proxies quickly.
Those are the links I needed Thanks alot!
Not sure on the faction... most of them look absolutely gorgeous (who came up with the spelling of this word?!)
I'll say this - reading the rules, watching the Infinity videos and reading some battle reports only gives you a glimpse into what playing it is like. It would be much better if you could rope a friend in, buy a starter box each, and have a crack at it together.
The game didn't click for me until about my 5th game, and reading and watching the available material before hand, like you, didn't do much for me. Playing the game a few times to get used to the mechanics and flow of the game is really the best way to come to a decision about Infinity. And if all you buy in with is a starter each, it's no real loss if it's not your cup of tea.
RoninXiC wrote: So.. guys.
IF I want to start Infinity... what should I do first?
I've watch the videos from Corvus Belli, but that's just not enough to convince me.
Random battlereports are no good for me for they are way too hard to understand for someone who does not know any rules.
Should I get the rules and read them?
You should probably head on down to the INFINITY sub-forum here on Dakka Dakka:
The game didn't click for me until about my 5th game, and reading and watching the available material before hand, like you, didn't do much for me. Playing the game a few times to get used to the mechanics and flow of the game is really the best way to come to a decision about Infinity. And if all you buy in with is a starter each, it's no real loss if it's not your cup of tea.
Very true - even if you don't like the game, at the very least you will have some cracking miniatures to paint.
Although - I do think it's probably a high likelihood that you will like the game!
They're old models begging for a resculpt, and they're also Corregidor alongside the Alguaciles.
They're also AVA 5 in Corregidor with 3 profiles. They would be stupid to put it into a vanilla starter box considering there are no Corregidor link boxed sets.
Put a Brigada into the PanO vs Nomads starter. They're HI, easy to use, and have no fancy rules aside from V: Courage. They're AVA: 2 in vanilla Nomads and you'll probably ever use one.
Plus, with Infinity v3, Mobile Brigada may very well be getting new profiles. Nomads aren't known for their HI, but with Brigada being pretty much the archetypal ones they have, it's a bit starnge they haven't been able to gain access to other profiles. They're from the original book, after all.
Want to use Corregidor? CB may release a Mobile Brigada boxed set of 4x so you can complete your AVA:5. Maybe add in an unarmed female version with boob-plate and cat-ears you can use as a hacker. Maybe have one with a shoulder-mounted Panzerfaust (or Blitzen if Book 2 weapons are allowed).
Put a Brigada into the PanO vs Nomads starter. They're HI, easy to use, and have no fancy rules aside from V: Courage. They're AVA: 2 in vanilla Nomads and you'll probably ever use one.
You know what also makes sense? A Kriza Borac. It's a new model type and it's supposed to be in N3.
Also what is so hard to see about the logic of the fact that Corregidor has no Link Team boxed sets? Each Sectorial (barring Corregidor and the Shasvastii both) have one.
Plus, with Infinity v3, Mobile Brigada may very well be getting new profiles. Nomads aren't known for their HI, but with Brigada being pretty much the archetypal ones they have, it's a bit strange they haven't been able to gain access to other profiles. They're from the original book, after all.
Want to use Corregidor? CB may release a Mobile Brigada boxed set of 4x so you can complete your AVA:5. Maybe add in an unarmed female version with boob-plate and cat-ears you can use as a hacker. Maybe have one with a shoulder-mounted Panzerfaust (or Blitzen if Book 2 weapons are allowed).
Depending on how things work out (I'm thinking we'll see a Feuerbach or HRL Mobile Brigada), it could easily be done in a box of 4 and then a blister of 2.
Kanluwen wrote: You know what also makes sense? A Kriza Borac. It's a new model type and it's supposed to be in N3.
The one rumored to have TO Camo? I highly doubt it belongs in a starter set. Mobile Brigada are pretty much as vanilla and straightfoward as HI can get.
Kanluwen wrote: Also what is so hard to see about the logic of the fact that Corregidor has no Link Team boxed sets? Each Sectorial (barring Corregidor and the Shasvastii both) have one.
Corregidor has no Link Team boxed sets. That's true. They has no bearing on whether Mobile Brigada could appear in the starter or not.
We have several instances where a Sectorial boxed set contains one-of a popular Link Team model (QK Odalisques, Hassassin Muyib, Myrmidon Hacker, etc (I also can't remember anything else, I only play Haqqi and Aleph)) whereas a 4x boxed set exists as well if you wish to complete the team.
Kanluwen wrote: You know what also makes sense? A Kriza Borac. It's a new model type and it's supposed to be in N3.
The one rumored to have TO Camo? I highly doubt it belongs in a starter set. Mobile Brigada are pretty much as vanilla and straightfoward as HI can get.
Then you're cutting game mechanics out of the starter set for the sake of simplicity--which is a bit sillier than doing a gradual build-up.
Kanluwen wrote: Also what is so hard to see about the logic of the fact that Corregidor has no Link Team boxed sets? Each Sectorial (barring Corregidor and the Shasvastii both) have one.
Corregidor has no Link Team boxed sets. That's true. They has no bearing on whether Mobile Brigada could appear in the starter or not.
We have several instances where a Sectorial boxed set contains one-of a popular Link Team model (QK Odalisques, Hassassin Muyib, Myrmidon Hacker, etc (I also can't remember anything else, I only play Haqqi and Aleph)) whereas a 4x boxed set exists as well if you wish to complete the team.
QK starter box was literally just repackaging existing SKUs. Odalisque was a blister for quite some time.
The Myrmidon Hacker is ehhhh. The Myrmidon box has been out for so long that essentially she was just gapfilling for that box.
Muyib is a bit of a difficult thing to discuss though. I don't understand why he was not put into the Muyib box in lieu of the Spitfire, but hey whatever I'm not Corvus Belli.
Kanluwen wrote: You know what also makes sense? A Kriza Borac. It's a new model type and it's supposed to be in N3.
The one rumored to have TO Camo? I highly doubt it belongs in a starter set. Mobile Brigada are pretty much as vanilla and straightfoward as HI can get.
Then you're cutting game mechanics out of the starter set for the sake of simplicity--which is a bit sillier than doing a gradual build-up.
They already cut TO Camo out of the Quick-Start Rules. The Starter Set is for new player, people likely don't know the rules. It makes a lot of sense to not add units with rules that will not be covered is the rules they put into the box.
Knight wrote: Anyone else wishes this teaser would be in haiku?
Yes. Yes I do.
As for the HI conversation. If it's the cool new TOHI? Awesome. If it ends up being a Mobile Brigada resculpt? Awesome. Either way I'm good.
The only way we're NOT good is if they make those models exclusive to the starter set. Having a single 'special' model in the pack, (Whatever the grey model is), would grate on my gears less, but being exclusive with units that can/should be in everyone's PanO/Nomad army isn't kosher in my book.
Left to right speculation:
It looks like it is something with AD, as you can see a wing poking over its back. Fusilier x2 (or some kind of Fusilier equivalent), ORC, Fusilier or equivalent, Nisse.
Knight wrote: Anyone else wishes this teaser would be in haiku?
Yes. Yes I do.
As for the HI conversation. If it's the cool new TOHI? Awesome. If it ends up being a Mobile Brigada resculpt? Awesome. Either way I'm good.
The only way we're NOT good is if they make those models exclusive to the starter set. Having a single 'special' model in the pack, (Whatever the grey model is), would grate on my gears less, but being exclusive with units that can/should be in everyone's PanO/Nomad army isn't kosher in my book.
Going on some of the other released 'exclusives' in box sets recently, if they do do it hopefully they will release them as separate blisters.
Pacific wrote: Good bit of thinking there Kan.. one in the middle is most confusing as it looks like some kind of shoulder-mounted weapon (or an owl?! )
It's the ORC redesign. If you look at the current ORC it has some kind of 'shoulder mounted lights' that are built into the collar of the armor.
Actually the 'lights' are a part of the ORCs backpack. The one on the far left could be a new style jump pack. A new AD2 or AD3 troop profile? I doubt the Akalis will appear in Svalarheim.
For comparison, the ASA starter has 3 Regulars(LI), 1 Montesa (HI) 1 Bagh-Mari (MI) and one Akalis (AD). This looks like 3 fusiliers (LI), 1 ORC (HI), one Nisse (MI) and one AD3. Oh but it would suck to combat jump into a blizzard, eh? What will the unit be named?
This has to be the Svalarheim starter.
Alpharius, you may commence your happy dance
EDIT: to add a request. Please don't let the LI be actual fusiliers. Give Svalarheim their own LI. Leave the derpy fusiliers to NCA and MO.
Maybe it's just me, but the dude on the left in the PanO shot looks sort of like he might be wearing gear similar to Kirpal Singh's. Singh's armor didn't match up at all with the other Alkalis, so maybe he was wearing some Svalarheima AD Troop's gear?
I too am hoping that those aren't regular Fusiliers in that set. And if they are, they better be wearing helmets or Balaclava since this is supposed to be set in Svalarheima and arctic conditions are kind of cold.
Oooh so maybe they will have them when i go to GC... i'll have to check on friday then. Gonna have to start actually painting my infinity models instead of letting them intimidate me, the bullies!
GrimDork wrote: Oooh so maybe they will have them when i go to GC... i'll have to check on friday then. Gonna have to start actually painting my infinity models instead of letting them intimidate me, the bullies!
They will probably have them at GenCon in limited numbers...but they most likely will not actually be available stateside for retailers until anywhere from September to November if it's at GenCon.
I'm really not sure why we're seeing choppers(painted in the colors of Commander Shepherd of Mass Effect no less) for a backwoods planet, but whatever...
Well yeah, my wishlist contained motocross bikes. This would be still cool, but not as much. Maybe the biker girl that Angel Giraldez hinted on FB is only a character with a chopper, and then the normal bikers have motocross bikes. Wishlisting again...
Bah, stupid Harley's. USAriadna needs to be on motocross/Scout style bikes.
A friggin bike is only a transport model anyway, not a combat model.
Oh well, a fast model with guns on it, probably impetuous. Wondering if I'll have to have them to be competitive. Hope not.
I wonder if we'll see the whole secotrial in concept form at GenCon? Or will it just be the bikes?
I think all bikes are sort of must-haves (Aleph is pricey, JSA are amazing), considering how much presence they give you on table and in Ariadna where it's easy to maximise combat groups. Flanking, specialists, very intriguing possibilities.
I do love the Chopper look, but NOT for the spec ops. I also seriously wanted to get more dirt-bike/atv looking stuff for Ariadna.
Maybe... MAYBE... the American flag is more symbolic of 'WE'LL BE AT GENCON', since that's in the USA. And maybe they are teasing a model that will be released at Gencon (much like Scarface and Cordelia). So perhaps... it is really the Ronin Samurai Biker? Whatshisname. You guys know it. I have faith in you. (Usagi Yojimbo... I remembered before I hit the Submit button. Hah!)
Otherwise, if that's the look of Ariadna's bikers, I have a feeling the rest of the sectorial will be a bunch of Harley riders shooting Freedom Guns and shouting MURICA as they rush into the fray. All models are Impetuous and have Burst 10 HMGs that rain down cheeseburgers and cheap beer.
*cough*
At least I like the Choppers for the Kum guys, that sort of makes sense after all...
Mr.Church13 wrote: Didn't CB recently do an interview with BoW where they talked about the American style faction coming to Infinity? Here's hoping this is it.
We've known about them long before that interview.
Basically here's the skinny:
When we get the next campaign/source book we're going to see at least one Sectorial for each faction.
ALEPH Vedic/Posthuman Sectorial--basically the "stealthy" counterpoint to the Steel Phalanx
Ariadna USAriadna (the bikers are purportedly called "Mavericks" and quite frankly the sectorial is kind of divisive because some people want wild west in space while something more like Israel in that it would be a nation constantly at war)
RussAriadna(which we've just seen the Spetsnaz released for)
Combined Army Evolved Intelligence (supposedly this is going to be very drone heavy)
Haqqislam Caliphate (Tarik is part of this group; think genetically enhanced supersoldiers)
Khanate(Kum bikers are part of this group)
Nomads The only confirmed one we have at this point is Tunguska(the third of the big Nomad ships; they provide lots of technological/financial support to the Nomad Nation).
We were hearing about the Black Hand(basically the special operations command for the Nomad Nation. Draws from the Intruder Commando Corps, the Prowlers of Bakunin, Zeros of Bakunin, Spektrs of Tunguska, and the Observance of Bakunin), but the last conversation I had with one of the design team basically said they are shelved as their own army for the time being and likely will be rolled into Tunguska.
PanOceania Svalarheima--the winter Sectorial. You would be looking at the Jotum TAG, the Nisse troops, ORC Troops, and probably some unique units we haven't seen yet.
Varuna--the more aquatic Sectorial. This would include Fusiliers, the Kamau, Cutters, and Croc Men.
Tohaa We don't know what exactly we are getting here. Supposedly we'll see two here.
Yu-Jing A Svalarheima sectorial which features the Guilang, some kind of smaller "TAG Hunter" TAG class called the "Blue Wolf", Shaolin Warrior Monks, and some kind of line infantry/units we haven't seen yet.
Invincible Army--a Heavy Infantry themed Sectorial. Invincibles, Daofei, Hac Tao, Terracotta Soldiers(a "light" Heavy Infantry), and the Zu Yong (Heavy Infantry stacked with heavy weapons that normally are on TAGs).
Maybe CB is rewriting, or adding, to the Kum fluff and tying to in with this USAriadna biker unit to have a sort of rival gang war in the fluff? Seems like a fun thing to do with two bike units in different armies.
-Loki- wrote: A thought about the USAriadna chopper.
Maybe CB is rewriting, or adding, to the Kum fluff and tying to in with this USAriadna biker unit to have a sort of rival gang war in the fluff? Seems like a fun thing to do with two bike units in different armies.
I'm not sure how that would really work since Ariadna is more or less "new" to the Human Sphere political scene--and then RussAriadna and Merovingia are the big main players.
Also, where's my Ghazi preview?
With Beasts of War I think...meaning it could be whenever.
-Loki- wrote: A thought about the USAriadna chopper.
Maybe CB is rewriting, or adding, to the Kum fluff and tying to in with this USAriadna biker unit to have a sort of rival gang war in the fluff? Seems like a fun thing to do with two bike units in different armies.
I'm not sure how that would really work since Ariadna is more or less "new" to the Human Sphere political scene--and then RussAriadna and Merovingia are the big main players.
Well, despite being new to the Sphere, they appear to have the exact same bike tech. The rivalry could go back to when they were on Earth.
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Kanluwen wrote: Haqqislam Caliphate (Tarik is part of this group; think genetically enhanced supersoldiers)
Khanate(Kum bikers are part of this group)
To expand on these.
Caliphate is also where the Haqqislamite money is, and is tied to the Al Medinat. It's where we will see the Maghariba Guard finally join a sectorial. We'll also see some of their more flashy gear similar to Asawira - the Mukthar have more or less been confirmed to be here (the Asawira that are so good they're selected for the Sultinates bodyguard). So super soldiers and flashy (for Haqqislam) tech.
Khanate is sounding like the 'fast' sectorial in the way that the Invincible Army is the 'heavy infantry' sectorial. They've confirmed Halqa will be in the sectorial as well.
-Loki- wrote: A thought about the USAriadna chopper.
Maybe CB is rewriting, or adding, to the Kum fluff and tying to in with this USAriadna biker unit to have a sort of rival gang war in the fluff? Seems like a fun thing to do with two bike units in different armies.
I'm not sure how that would really work since Ariadna is more or less "new" to the Human Sphere political scene--and then RussAriadna and Merovingia are the big main players.
Well, despite being new to the Sphere, they appear to have the exact same bike tech. The rivalry could go back to when they were on Earth.
Which would have been before living memory for either groups involved...
I get why you want it and I think it's a neat idea and all and it would be a way to explain why they use the same bikes but I think at the end of the day it's just that they chose to do the whole "Ariadna can't actually manufacture anything themselves despite having a manufacturing base to make Coca-Cola and sweet as all heck helicopters" thing again and for whatever reason they associate biker gangs with military operations.
Kanluwen wrote: Haqqislam Caliphate (Tarik is part of this group; think genetically enhanced supersoldiers)
Khanate(Kum bikers are part of this group)
To expand on these.
Caliphate is also where the Haqqislamite money is, and is tied to the Al Medinat. It's where we will see the Maghariba Guard finally join a sectorial. We'll also see some of their more flashy gear similar to Asawira - the Mukthar have more or less been confirmed to be here (the Asawira that are so good they're selected for the Sultinates bodyguard). So super soldiers and flashy (for Haqqislam) tech.
Khanate is sounding like the 'fast' sectorial in the way that the Invincible Army is the 'heavy infantry' sectorial. They've confirmed Halqa will be in the sectorial as well.
Thank you for adding that. I'm really only up on the ones that interest me and Haqqislam has never really caught my eye.
I think I should probably start collating this into a thread for the Infinity subforum here.
MURIC.... ahh wait. Hmm, still hoping the icy starter thing is at gencon, i'm not terribly interested in a bike. Or buying an entire new faction Sounds like there will be something there about which to be excited in any case, so that's cool
GrimDork wrote: MURIC.... ahh wait. Hmm, still hoping the icy starter thing is at gencon, i'm not terribly interested in a bike. Or buying an entire new faction Sounds like there will be something there about which to be excited in any case, so that's cool
I wasn't interested in the bikers either until I used them.
When I watched a Kum rider cross the table in 3 orders and chain rifle down 5 light infantry hiding behind a building in a single burst, I was kind of sold on them.
Oh I wasn't saying there was anything wrong with bikes at all. I'm having a hard time not picking up three pairs of Aragotos (the 6th one can get converted into Yojimbo) and some supporting units to make an Akira bike gang themed JSA force I think it sounds ridiculously fun to drive a bunch of bikes around shooting stuff. I've just already got an idea of how I want to do it, and new bikes won't help me
I should have said not terribly interested in "a new bike", perhaps.
Alpharius wrote: I really don't want USAriadna to be "Wild West in Space".
Does the RoW really still picture Americans as Cowboys?
I think it's more that people have this obsession with USAriadna being backwoods hillfolk...despite the fact that the various other Ariadnan nations have a vested interest in keeping USAriadna around to serve as a buffer against the Antipode tribes.
Hmm given what we know about V 3.0 coming up, would the current edition rulebook be worth spending 30 bucks to acquire (shopping amazon and happened to spot some)?
I guess I mean to say, is it worth 30 bucks for the pictures, fluff, and so on? I've heard the books are really pretty but no local stores sell them for me to be able to see for myself
Eeeehhh. I'm a sucker for pointless art and fluff books (hence why I bought the art book), but the art in the second edition book is really showing its age now, and the fluff is kind of oddly translated.
As N3 is a rewrite of 2nd edition, I'd personally recommend waiting for that. The fluff will apparently be better translated and expanded, and the art will be up to current standards.
I wouldn't mind the announcement of a second art book in the near future.
I really hope they don't make USAriadna a bunch of space hillbillies. Or cowboys. If they're basically on the border between human Ariadna and Antipode Ariadna, I'd imagine that they're probably a pretty militarized society, especially after the Antipode wars. I'd rather see the USAriadnans be a more technological sectorial for Ariadna. Have them use a lot of drones and maybe throw in some AD specialists and amphibious specialists. And if they're supposed to be the buffer zone with the Antipodes, NEW DOG SOLDIERS! Please give USAriadna some werewolf troops. With armor. And assault rifles.
As for that motorcycle, I'd guess that it'll probably either belong to a Merc or an Authorized Bounty Hunter. Probably styled after the Hell's Angels.
Oh dear, the ugliness that has resulted from discussions of the USAriadna sectorial, at least on the Official forum. Some thinly veiled, and some not at all veiled, anti-Americanism. I doubt CB will do anything deliberately to tick off Americans. They want to do well in the USA (as has been stated, and should be obvious from the attention they are directing hereabouts).
Bear in mind, they made Haqqislam a sympathetic, fun and playable faction. If they can make it through that potential mine field, everything else should be easy peasy.
You know, the idea of USAriadnans being a buffer between humanity and the Antipodes, now with a chopper gang, is reminding me of the resistance fighters in Falling Skies.
Not space cowboys, but guerilla fighters with decent levels of technology (which also fits some of the US's military history) and some 'out there' stuff (they even had their own chopper gang, the Berserkers).
Barzam wrote:I wouldn't mind the announcement of a second art book in the near future.
I really hope they don't make USAriadna a bunch of space hillbillies. Or cowboys. If they're basically on the border between human Ariadna and Antipode Ariadna, I'd imagine that they're probably a pretty militarized society, especially after the Antipode wars. I'd rather see the USAriadnans be a more technological sectorial for Ariadna. Have them use a lot of drones and maybe throw in some AD specialists and amphibious specialists. And if they're supposed to be the buffer zone with the Antipodes, NEW DOG SOLDIERS! Please give USAriadna some werewolf troops. With armor. And assault rifles.
As for that motorcycle, I'd guess that it'll probably either belong to a Merc or an Authorized Bounty Hunter. Probably styled after the Hell's Angels.
I like al of that!
Red Harvest wrote:Oh the ugliness that has resulted from discussions of the USAriadna sectorial, at least on the Official forum. Some thinly veiled, and not at all veiled anti-Americanism. I doubt CB will do anything deliberately to tick off Americans. They want to do well in the USA (as has been stated, and should be obvious from the attention they are directing hereabouts).
Bear in mind, they made Haqqislam a sympathetic, fun and playable faction. If they can make it through that potential mine field, everything else should be easy peasy.
I am glad I never saw those threads, and I really, really hope CB doesn't do anything even remotely like that with USAriadna...
Palanaka(one of the Corvus Belli staff members) wrote:
Hi, David (Palanka) from Corvus Belli here! There will be no resin in Operation: Icestorm. Just the old good white metal you get in all our other products.
We will give more details of this boxed set and it's contents in the coming days. We've been working really hard for months on this, but I really believe it was worth it. The models are outstanding, even for our high standards. It's really a big step forward for Infinity
Nope. I don't want any space cowboys of any sort. Not even Cowboy Bebop space cowboys, Trigun space cowboys, or Outlaw Star space cowboys. I want proper army men with pew-pew guns and armored werewolves. And maybe some guys on dirt bikes and some drones.
Come to think of it, I could also see them sneaking in some exo skeleton troops for USAriadna. Stuff like what the US Army has actually been testing and like the kinds that'll be in the new Call of Duty game.
plastictrees wrote:'Space Cowboy' in a Han Solo/ Firefly sort of way doesn't seem horrible to me...but I'm not American.
This would...probably be considered less acceptable:
Spoiler:
How did you manage to get hold of the new boxart?!
-Loki- wrote:You know, the idea of USAriadnans being a buffer between humanity and the Antipodes, now with a chopper gang, is reminding me of the resistance fighters in Falling Skies.
Not space cowboys, but guerilla fighters with decent levels of technology (which also fits some of the US's military history) and some 'out there' stuff (they even had their own chopper gang, the Berserkers).
That's how I picture them as well. Certainly, I think from the miniatures so far (and really the quality of the latest Ariadna miniatures) I would be very surprised if we were presented with slack-jawed redknecks chewing cud
Regarding the Space Cowboys vs Space Delta Force conversation...
Like really.
You can have the majority of them be badass Spec Ops/Ranger/DeltaForce/Seal guys. Really well trained and militaristic and all this good stuff.
And you could have ONE unit, a solo dude (or dudette), ine a duster and a hat with a pair of Chain Colts or something, who was a 'Marshall' or someone who is basically charged with keeping order in the notoriously hotblooded and dangerous realm that is USAriadna. Or something. Or maybe an Authorized Bounty Hunter that uses that look. Having fought Antipodes on the line, he's now moved on to easier prey.
And low and behold, everyone is happy.
Sort of.
You'll never make everyone happy. But there are people who still like the Nomads even though they have an ass-in-the-air CatGirl.
Tis the internet, where people are always right when everyone else is wrong. Even with their opinions.
I'm all for whatever gives us cool new models to paint and play with. Corvis has yet to make a mis-step in making me a happy customer.
Not forgetting we have cat-girl-ass-in-air's biggest fan right here on Dakka!
Totally agree with you, not jealous at all of the weight of expectation on the USAriadna sculptor's shoulders - you've got to imagine that the US is a pretty big market for Infinity these days, not to mention it being such an evocative concept. Hopefully they will make a great job of it!
So, is that the new Tankhunter model he's working on (Tankhunter patch on his shoulder), the new Spetsnaz (suppressed airsoft pistol), the new scout model that is rumored to be coming out, or one of the new biker models?
So the Aleph biker chick everybody seems to like is available to this (what I'm assuming is a) new faction? Or does that bird thing already belong to a sectorial we are familiar with?
The bikes don't even look all that similar to me - what am I missing?
(uparmoured and much wider front wheel attachment on penny, who also rides what is basically an elongated sports bike in most design features, as opposed to the chopper-style abomination shown in the teaser images)
Bolognesus wrote: The bikes don't even look all that similar to me - what am I missing?
(uparmoured and much wider front wheel attachment on penny, who also rides what is basically an elongated sports bike in most design features, as opposed to the chopper-style abomination shown in the teaser images)
The bike is like the choppers the Kums ride. The logo in the silouette's back is the logo of Penthesilea. The Spanish official forum is thinking in a merc, a Penthesilea prototype gone rogue. And maybe available for USAriadna? Whatever sounds crazy, but it could be pretty cool.
Bolognesus wrote: The bikes don't even look all that similar to me - what am I missing?
(uparmoured and much wider front wheel attachment on penny, who also rides what is basically an elongated sports bike in most design features, as opposed to the chopper-style abomination shown in the teaser images)
The bike is like the choppers the Kums ride. The logo in the silouette's back is the logo of Penthesilea. The Spanish official forum is thinking in a merc, a Penthesilea prototype gone rogue. And maybe available for USAriadna? Whatever sounds crazy, but it could be pretty cool.
Would be pretty cool. But I'd just be guessing it'll be a Penny Bootleg pinup.
I could dig a gone rouge kind of character. Would be a bit off why a rouge AI would want to be with USAriadna but I am sure there would be some fluff reason to make it work.
ClockworkChaos wrote: I could dig a gone rouge kind of character. Would be a bit off why a rouge AI would want to be with USAriadna but I am sure there would be some fluff reason to make it work.
There are precedents of recreations gone rogue in the game. William Wallace in Caledonia, Miyamoto Musashi and Avicena for Mercs, and I can't remember more right now.
Bolognesus wrote: The bikes don't even look all that similar to me - what am I missing?
(uparmoured and much wider front wheel attachment on penny, who also rides what is basically an elongated sports bike in most design features, as opposed to the chopper-style abomination shown in the teaser images)
The bike is like the choppers the Kums ride. The logo in the silouette's back is the logo of Penthesilea. The Spanish official forum is thinking in a merc, a Penthesilea prototype gone rogue. And maybe available for USAriadna? Whatever sounds crazy, but it could be pretty cool.
..Oh right, the logo. *That's* what I was missing from the Penny packaging pic Right then, that's nice. those Kum bikes certainly look eye-wateringly cool, so if it's a merc and available to PanO that would make me very, very happy (though, not counting on that really).
Barzam wrote: Okay, I like the idea of a rogue AI working with Ariadna. I am honestly a bit surprised that they didn't go with a hell's Angel type guy.
Well, that idea is just speculation at this point.
Like, I'd buy three so that I can safely screw up the first, do the second well, then come back and do the third in a year to keep it in line with my 'best' stuff as my painting skills improve.
Best thing about it is even if it is a Penny bootleg, or some kind of merc, it'll still fit right in with other Kum riders on the table, so I'll get it.
Since I already bought 'classic' Penny and Asuka (and have neither an ALEPH or Yu-Jing force) I guess I will try and pick up this new character when she becomes available and the Kum biker character just so they can all have a race
Siygess wrote: Since I already bought 'classic' Penny and Asuka (and have neither an ALEPH or Yu-Jing force) I guess I will try and pick up this new character when she becomes available and the Kum biker character just so they can all have a race
And here we are on 15 June with no preview of the Hipster Mutts. I blame this Copa Mundial thing for the delay. Don't understand all the fuss really. It's not like it's the World Series or the Stanley Cup, now is it? (said since USAriadna is a prevailing leitmotif at this point.)
Perhaps it'll be Mrs. Izzat Beg*? Or USAriadna gets bikes instead of Quads?
For those of you counting, 40 days to the Inter-Planetary at Vigo.
*Or, given the Avicenna example, Izzat Beg himherself.
I like the speculation on the official boards, personally. Pennys sister was Hippolyta, who she accidentally killed while hunting.
This could be a mercenary 'double' of Penny going by the name Hippolyta. Would fit the previous Gencon releases being mercenaries, and last years being a completely new mercenary.
Well here's the Nikoul. We know it has Symbiont Armor, Viral Sniper Rifle, Minelayer, and Sapper....as if that wasn't enough it also has Multispectral Visor Level 1.
Remember the Bagh-Mari sniper has minelayer, mimetism, MSV1, and a multi-sniper rifle. (Yay MSR. /sarcasm) Plus the ever useful aquatic multi-terrain. What is the point cost of this one? The Bagh-Mari is 34 points, 1.5 SWC (thanks MSR)
But the Tohaa are proving to be a visually appealing force. This one is no exception.
Tohaa are a pretty fantastic range now, visually. It didn't help that the starter was fairly boring. The majority of the poses just didn't work. But every release since the starter has just gotten better and better.
The new Tohaa sniper looks nice. Maybe it's just me though, but I'd kind of rather have a standing version of him. He's got a great design that you mostly don't even get to see thanks to his pose and the foxhole.
Unfortunately (or is that furtunately?) there doesn't seem to be a whole lot in this assortment I'm all that interested in. I don't care about the 'Mutts, I don't have any Tohaa and the Nickaul is not going to be my first, and the Spetznas, while nice, is for a faction I'm not really building up at the moment.
Where'd that Agema Marksman come from though? That picture is the first I've heard about that.
Barzam wrote: The new Tohaa sniper looks nice. Maybe it's just me though, but I'd kind of rather have a standing version of him. He's got a great design that you mostly don't even get to see thanks to his pose and the foxhole.
As it stands, only "sapper" models have the large base and prone/entrenched pose.
For all we know, "ambusher" may also follow this trend.
Barzam wrote: The new Tohaa sniper looks nice. Maybe it's just me though, but I'd kind of rather have a standing version of him. He's got a great design that you mostly don't even get to see thanks to his pose and the foxhole.
As it stands, only "sapper" models have the large base and prone/entrenched pose.
For all we know, "ambusher" may also follow this trend.
Except a new Sapper without Ambush (the Nikaul) is entrenched, and a new Ambusher without Sapper is not.
Portable foxholes appear to be staying a Sapper feature.
I'm a bit weak on the fluff. Is reverend healer the same or similar to reverend moira? It was sounding like corregedor too. But maybe tthat's the civilian character (doesn't look like it with that sword!)?
Regardless I can't get much more excited for this, already wearing out my seat edge.
GrimDork wrote: I'm a bit weak on the fluff. Is reverend healer the same or similar to reverend moira? It was sounding like corregedor too. But maybe tthat's the civilian character (doesn't look like it with that sword!)?
Regardless I can't get much more excited for this, already wearing out my seat edge.
They seem to be just new Dire Foe characters, not really tied to anything specific.
Barzam wrote: The new Tohaa sniper looks nice. Maybe it's just me though, but I'd kind of rather have a standing version of him. He's got a great design that you mostly don't even get to see thanks to his pose and the foxhole.
It's not just you. Although if he was standing, he might be stepping on the Gao Rael Sniper's toes.
I still haven't played a game, but I'm guessing the models are balanced around their model/base, right? So I can't use a Gao Rael Sniper as a Nikoul Ambush unit?
I agree with everyone saying that Tohaa look really nice. They are what finally got me to buy some models. They are intimidating to paint though.
Barzam wrote: The new Tohaa sniper looks nice. Maybe it's just me though, but I'd kind of rather have a standing version of him. He's got a great design that you mostly don't even get to see thanks to his pose and the foxhole.
It's not just you. Although if he was standing, he might be stepping on the Gao Rael Sniper's toes.
I still haven't played a game, but I'm guessing the models are balanced around their model/base, right? So I can't use a Gao Rael Sniper as a Nikoul Ambush unit?
I agree with everyone saying that Tohaa look really nice. They are what finally got me to buy some models. They are intimidating to paint though.
You can't use a proxy if there is an existing model.
Plus the Nikoul Ambush Unit is based that way because of his "Sapper" rule, which gives you a foxhole to hide in.
Barzam wrote: The new Tohaa sniper looks nice. Maybe it's just me though, but I'd kind of rather have a standing version of him. He's got a great design that you mostly don't even get to see thanks to his pose and the foxhole.
It's not just you. Although if he was standing, he might be stepping on the Gao Rael Sniper's toes.
I still haven't played a game, but I'm guessing the models are balanced around their model/base, right? So I can't use a Gao Rael Sniper as a Nikoul Ambush unit?
I agree with everyone saying that Tohaa look really nice. They are what finally got me to buy some models. They are intimidating to paint though.
You can't use a proxy if there is an existing model.
To be fair, you probably CAN use a proxy in just about every instance without much resistance...
Barzam wrote: The new Tohaa sniper looks nice. Maybe it's just me though, but I'd kind of rather have a standing version of him. He's got a great design that you mostly don't even get to see thanks to his pose and the foxhole.
It's not just you. Although if he was standing, he might be stepping on the Gao Rael Sniper's toes.
I still haven't played a game, but I'm guessing the models are balanced around their model/base, right? So I can't use a Gao Rael Sniper as a Nikoul Ambush unit?
I agree with everyone saying that Tohaa look really nice. They are what finally got me to buy some models. They are intimidating to paint though.
You can't use a proxy if there is an existing model.
To be fair, you probably CAN use a proxy in just about every instance without much resistance...
Well yeah, I should have phrased that differently:
When playing in general pick-up games with your buddies, you likely won't have an issue with proxying provided you're not running a Gao-Rael Sniper as Nikoul Ambush Unit and a Gao-Rael Sniper as a Gao-Rael Sniper.
In ITS events though, if there is a model you are not allowed to proxy. You can have a conversion, provided everything matches up the way it should.
In the case of the Nikoul Ambush Unit though, you're better off just running the Nikoul Ambush Unit as the Ambush Unit since he's meant to be hunkered down like that. It's a common trend of Sapper models.
With this being sniper month, seems like the Agema this month will indeed have a Sniper Rifle. I was somewhat hoping for the Mk12 considering Atalanta is pretty much an Agema with sniper rifle anyways.
Awww yeah bitches! Another sniper for Ariadna.
I wonder if the Scout will be getting an updated profile in 3rd, or just this new model to replace the old one.
P.S. : Please God, let this new model not have the split off hip and leg that the old one does!
PPS: I just noticed that magazine placement also. Someone went with artistic license on this model. That sniper rifle lost about 8 inches of barrel length due to that very unorthodox mag placement. Guess it's too late for them to fix it :(
Why have they moved the magazine forward? I can't unsee it now. It shold be closer to the trigger, and the left hand should be before the magazine. Like in the Spetsnaz rifle.
Barzam wrote: The new Tohaa sniper looks nice. Maybe it's just me though, but I'd kind of rather have a standing version of him. He's got a great design that you mostly don't even get to see thanks to his pose and the foxhole.
It's not just you. Although if he was standing, he might be stepping on the Gao Rael Sniper's toes.
I still haven't played a game, but I'm guessing the models are balanced around their model/base, right? So I can't use a Gao Rael Sniper as a Nikoul Ambush unit?
I agree with everyone saying that Tohaa look really nice. They are what finally got me to buy some models. They are intimidating to paint though.
You can't use a proxy if there is an existing model.
To be fair, you probably CAN use a proxy in just about every instance without much resistance...
Well yeah, I should have phrased that differently:
When playing in general pick-up games with your buddies, you likely won't have an issue with proxying provided you're not running a Gao-Rael Sniper as Nikoul Ambush Unit and a Gao-Rael Sniper as a Gao-Rael Sniper.
In ITS events though, if there is a model you are not allowed to proxy. You can have a conversion, provided everything matches up the way it should.
In the case of the Nikoul Ambush Unit though, you're better off just running the Nikoul Ambush Unit as the Ambush Unit since he's meant to be hunkered down like that. It's a common trend of Sapper models.
It will depend entirely upon the TO. But I doubt any of them will turn you away for using a proxy, even of an exisiting model. As long as it confuses nobody, it'll be fine. The only hard and fast taboo is non CB minis in ITS tournaments.
Nice scout, but yeah that magazine looks a bit oddly placed.
Reverend-Healer may be a new unit type or not ( currently there are reverend-moira and reverend-custodier.) But CB is adding new units already, so I would not be surprised if this is one too. If they base the mini on the reverend-custodier image, it will be awesome. Given that the custodiers are best-selling, I suspect that they might.
I would be surprised if it were a new unit linked to Bakunin, since they pretty much have said that the existing Sectorials are fully fleshed out for now.
Kanluwen wrote: I would be surprised if it were a new unit linked to Bakunin, since they pretty much have said that the existing Sectorials are fully fleshed out for now.
And yet, they recently added the Bolts. We'll see soon enough (38 days or less )
So, my first thought on the Scout - 'Hey, they released another Lasiq'. Nice to see that pose get recycled through than another sniper leaning on his rifle or something.
Kanluwen wrote: In ITS events though, if there is a model you are not allowed to proxy. You can have a conversion, provided everything matches up the way it should.
Eh, this viewpoint is dependent upon having a TO that cares.
Kanluwen wrote: I would be surprised if it were a new unit linked to Bakunin, since they pretty much have said that the existing Sectorials are fully fleshed out for now.
And yet, they recently added the Bolts. We'll see soon enough (38 days or less )
They added the Bolts in response to what happened in relation to Campaign: Paradiso.
Kanluwen wrote: I would be surprised if it were a new unit linked to Bakunin, since they pretty much have said that the existing Sectorials are fully fleshed out for now.
And yet, they recently added the Bolts. We'll see soon enough (38 days or less )
They added the Bolts in response to what happened in relation to Campaign: Paradiso.
Kanluwen wrote: I would be surprised if it were a new unit linked to Bakunin, since they pretty much have said that the existing Sectorials are fully fleshed out for now.
And yet, they recently added the Bolts. We'll see soon enough (38 days or less )
They added the Bolts in response to what happened in relation to Campaign: Paradiso.
What happened in Campaign: Paradiso?
Neoterra lacked a decent, linkable objective capable unit.
If it's sniper month, I wish they remake the Tuareg models for Haqq. They're not as bad as the the other old models but I wouldn't be buying one and will be using my Naga Sniper as a proxy until they sculpt another one.
All the other Haqq snipers look ace. Oh wait, they still haven't done the Ghulam sniper.
heartserenade wrote: All the other Haqq snipers look ace. Oh wait, they still haven't done the Ghulam sniper.
Ghulam will probably get a special weapon box. It's likely taking a lot longer because the base rifle models were done with standard sculpting, and they like doing the boxes with digital sculpting now. The main problem is Ghulam simply have too many profiles. A box with a sniper, missile launcher, hacker and HMG would be ace, but then the panzerfaust model doesn't get updated and we still miss the LGL Drop the HMG and add the LGL, and we'll have all of the profiles, but 2 in the old aesthetics.
And yeah, as Kan said, updated Ghazi are this month. A box I've been waiting a long time for.
Kanluwen wrote: I would be surprised if it were a new unit linked to Bakunin, since they pretty much have said that the existing Sectorials are fully fleshed out for now.
The blade and hood are both Moira-style, plus the name's kind of a dead giveaway. If it's a character, it wouldn't really expand the fluff much. But the Church within Bakunin has always seemed like it could accommodate more units and narrative IMO.
Kind of the perfect balance versus the Hospitaler in Icestorm. I'm definitely buying the set and splitting it with a Pan O player!
As with little guns for ladies, and impractical hair, I can sort of see the issue with the magazine placement, now it's been pointed out, but with minis this good looking I'm absolutely unconcerned. That scout is going straight on my 100% definitely buying list.
They can put the mag wherever they want, it is a futuregun after all. Maybe it has all sorts of internal bits and bobs for recoil supression in the back and that is why the placement is different.
According to the facebooks you will be able to pre-order this from CB at the end of July and it will be in the webstore through GenCon. After that, eBay, at thrice the price.
Probably.
Edit:
Penthesilea pre-release! She will be available at GenCon and our online store from Aug.14th to Aug.17th. There will be also a Preorder since Jul.28th at our online store!
Chemical Cutthroat wrote: They can put the mag wherever they want, it is a futuregun after all. Maybe it has all sorts of internal bits and bobs for recoil supression in the back and that is why the placement is different.
Looks cool to me!
Yes, except for the part where the Spetsnaz has the same weapon with a few subtle changes. The main one being the relocation of the mag just because.
Siygess:thanks!
Did this happen with the gen-con-exclusive-for-6-months TAG as well or was that physical purchase only? I seem to recall folks were buying and shipping those for/to fellow dakkanauts that couldn't make it - or am I misremembering?
Bolognesus wrote: Siygess:thanks!
Did this happen with the gen-con-exclusive-for-6-months TAG as well or was that physical purchase only? I seem to recall folks were buying and shipping those for/to fellow dakkanauts that couldn't make it - or am I misremembering?
They didn't do preorders/web orders for the Anaconda or Scarface. It was just "early release".
Worth mentioning as well those items were not labeled as "Limited Edition" like Penthesilea seemingly is.
Yup, I figured there might be a difference due to that. Okay, thanks. So if the starter turns out to be a Gencon release, it might be a good idea to have some cash set aside to pay for the box, for someone to get it, and for shipping. Got it
About the scout:
is there a gun specialist who can explain the interest of having the magazine in this position ?
for me the future of gun was the bullpup configuration to put the "action" the closest possible of the shoulder to reduce recoil
and they have done the opposite ?!
anyway, I'm very excited about the new penthesilea, i hope i will be able to get one :p
Bullpup sniper rifles are seemingly rare, except for in the case of antimaterial rifles (read: big honking rifles like the M82A1 fifty caliber rifles).
As above. Most of the time you don't want your face right next to a large caliber shell firing like you would have with a bullpup.
What you do want in a sniper weapon is barrel length. The longer your barrel, the greater muzzle velocity you have for the projectile when it exits the barrel.
With the magazine placement on the new scout model, it would lose a good amount of barrel length for no appreciable reason. This makes the weapon both less accurate and have a less effective range on the battlefield.
While, theoretically, the scout's rifle could be some new experimental weapon with greater recoil dampening in the rear receiver (hence the forward placement of the magazine to fit the bolt carrier in front of said recoil dampener),
I think it was just done by the sculptor for art's sake. Easier to put the supporting left arm in the position it is in if the mag was moved forward.
As for the bullpup weapon design, it wasn't to put hte recoil closer to the shoulder. It was to make a weapon with an overall shorter length while having the same length barrel as a normal rifle.
You can make a bullpup rifle with say a 14 inch barrel about 6-8 inches shorter than a normal rifle. It makes it easier to carry in and out of vehicles, and maneuver in tight spaces.
Red Harvest wrote: And here we are on 15 June with no preview of the Hipster Mutts. I blame this Copa Mundial thing for the delay. Don't understand all the fuss really. It's not like it's the World Series or the Stanley Cup, now is it? (said since USAriadna is a prevailing leitmotif at this point.)
Perhaps it'll be Mrs. Izzat Beg*? Or USAriadna gets bikes instead of Quads?
For those of you counting, 40 days to the Inter-Planetary at Vigo.
*Or, given the Avicenna example, Izzat Beg himherself.
-Loki- wrote: I'm considering getting her just because I like collecting their limited edition models.
Also she should make an awesome stand-in for Izzat Beg if I don't end up liking his model.
We must to apologize for publishing a wrong picture from the Pre-release of Penthesilea where it can be read "Limited Edition Penthesilea". This is the right one.
According to CB, this will still be available on their webstore during GenCon.. so I guess this means we have an "improved" version of their GenCon pre-release system. You can get the pre-release now at either GenCon -or- their store during, or you can wait for retail later on.
No, they've dropped the "Limited Edtion" part now. So it's just a regular pre-release (like the Anaconda and Scarface) with the added benefit that you can ALSO buy the pre-release from CB direct if you can't make it to GenCon.
Was the mini more useful when you could only buy it during a weekend?
Nope, it was just as useless.
I have no clue why in the world they feel a model that is under a year old needed a variant already when there are so many missing profiles.
Maybe they're just testing how much would their alternative "skin" set sell. Second possibility could be, that they've felt the need to release something special for the event. Someone spend two afternoons working on a CAD and production plans and this is the result.
Kanluwen wrote: I have no clue why in the world they feel a model that is under a year old needed a variant already when there are so many missing profiles.
Because Penthesilea was a super super super super super seuccesfull release.... they are trying to repeat with her.
Why? because it is a 3D model, that they can easily pose and make her ride the new Kum Bike, wich is 3D also...
This is like asking why are there so many Iron Man different figures in the market.
Kanluwen wrote: I have no clue why in the world they feel a model that is under a year old needed a variant already when there are so many missing profiles.
Because Penthesilea was a super super super super super successful release.... they are trying to repeat with her.
Why? because it is a 3D model, that they can easily pose and make her ride the new Kum Bike, which is 3D also...
I question that it was "super super super super successful" release for any reason other than her rules.
This is like asking why are there so many Iron Man different figures in the market.
What market? The action figure market?
Because if you're talking about the action figure market, then I hope like hell Infinity isn't going that way.
-Loki- wrote: Don't mind Kan. He just makes himself very vocal when CB don't bow to his wishes and refuses to accept people like things he doesn't.
What wishes?
This is another Penthesilea model within a year of the release of the actual model. When it was limited edition it was "meh", but now that it is general release?
That means it has taken the release, production, and sculpting slot of a model that actually is needed.
If you can not see why I don't like that, I do not know what to tell you.
Kanluwen wrote: That means it has taken the release, production, and sculpting slot of a model that actually is needed.
What.. just like the Anaconda and Scarface? The last two years, CB have made a point of bringing out something 'special' in time for GenCon and if I recall correctly, neither of those releases had profiles prior to them popping up although I could be wrong about Scarface. The idea that this is yet another merc with just enough fluff to justify her existence (ohnoz! rebellious clonez!) who works for, say, and Haq and Ariadna (not ITS legal outside USAriadna and.. whatever the Kum riders sectorial is) is not so far fetched. Personally I'd be more annoyed if they pre-released some much needed blister (Chasseurs!) at GenCon.. and if the decided not to do anything special at GenCon at all, well, then it would literally be their loss.
Kanluwen wrote: That means it has taken the release, production, and sculpting slot of a model that actually is needed.
What.. just like the Anaconda and Scarface? The last two years, CB have made a point of bringing out something 'special' in time for GenCon and if I recall correctly, neither of those releases had profiles prior to them popping up although I could be wrong about Scarface.
Scarface was known to be a Campaign: Paradiso release. He released in relatively big numbers at GenCon(and in Spanish tournaments as well) in August and then the book was scheduled for September/October. It didn't come out until around November in the US but that was circumstances beyond their control.
The idea that this is yet another merc with just enough fluff to justify her existence (ohnoz! rebellious clonez!) who works for, say, and Haq and Ariadna (not ITS legal outside USAriadna and.. whatever the Kum riders sectorial is) is not so far fetched.
If it were a new profile it would be labeled as such.
Personally I'd be more annoyed if they pre-released some much needed blister (Chasseurs!) at GenCon.. and if the decided not to do anything special at GenCon at all, well, then it would literally be their loss.
There's nothing "special" about another bootyleg model, especially one that was apparently a dud if you go by stock listings. She's been out since last year and only once went out of stock at The Warstore and other indy retailers.
Kanluwen wrote: Scarface was known to be a Campaign: Paradiso release. He released in relatively big numbers at GenCon(and in Spanish tournaments as well) in August and then the book was scheduled for September/October. It didn't come out until around November in the US but that was circumstances beyond their control.
Thanks for the clarification.
If it were a new profile it would be labeled as such
With the way CB have been drip-feeding us information recently, there is still plenty of time for that to happen so I'm not ready to discount the idea just yet
There's nothing "special" about another bootyleg model, especially one that was apparently a dud if you go by stock listings. She's been out since last year and only once went out of stock at The Warstore and other indy retailers.
My FLGS orders in extra stock of things that they think will be popular and the Penny release was one of those times. But that's just one brick and mortar shop. I don't have any hard data to support or refute what you are saying about stock levels and popularity. As for the bootyleg comment, I'm not sure if that is an assumption that this is a bootleg release in which case, I would say that all bootleg releases are special in that they are a deliberate deviation from the usual release format so that CB can try something new, but that's no guarantee of the quality of the miniature itself. If it's a comment about another (presumably) cheesecake model and you don't like that, well, that's certainly your prerogative.
Kanluwen wrote: I question that it was "super super super super successful" release for any reason other than her rules.
You are completely right... Penthesilea is ugly and her bike is awful. She does not belong to the most popular army, most popular sectorial army, was horribly painted and her photos did not reach any wargaming community outside the Infinity Ghetto.
Is just her troop profile... specially when you think that actual players would be like 1/3rd of actual Infinity customers.
Ajax is also a super seller... not because is an awesome miniature that a lot of people bought and even play it as a Spess Mahreen, no... It was just his troop profile....
Kanluwen wrote: I question that it was "super super super super successful" release for any reason other than her rules.
You are completely right... Penthesilea is ugly and her bike is awful. She does not belong to the most popular army, most popular sectorial army, was horribly painted and her photos did not reach any wargaming community outside the Infinity Ghetto.
Is just her troop profile... specially when you think that actual players would be like 1/3rd of actual Infinity customers.
Ajax is also a super seller... not because is an awesome miniature that a lot of people bought and even play it as a Spess Mahreen, no... It was just his troop profile....
You're forgetting the incredible popularity of the classic Daktari.
We probably will not see those contents for awhile. It's not slated for anything but "early release" potentially at GenCon meaning it probably is going to be November/December.
Hah, nice! Although it only really needs one character added to that image - Fusilier Angus running towards the viewer in a panic, waving his arms wildly in the air while his beret is on fire!
It turns out that Operation Icestorm is actually a story about putting diesel in your petrol-powered weather machine..
Siygess wrote: Hah, nice! Although it only really needs one character added to that image - Fusilier Angus running towards the viewer in a panic, waving his arms wildly in the air while his beret is on fire!
Kanluwen wrote: I have no clue why in the world they feel a model that is under a year old needed a variant already when there are so many missing profiles.
Because Penthesilea was a super super super super super successful release.... they are trying to repeat with her.
Why? because it is a 3D model, that they can easily pose and make her ride the new Kum Bike, which is 3D also...
I question that it was "super super super super successful" release for any reason other than her rules.
Pretty sure that miniature won an industry award - I'm not the only one that thought it was an absolute beaut!
That miniature could have rubbish stats across the board and I would still use it ..
Well here's the Nikoul. We know it has Symbiont Armor, Viral Sniper Rifle, Minelayer, and Sapper....as if that wasn't enough it also has Multispectral Visor Level 1.
That's awesome!
Given their usual release timelines after showing an image like this, when will this likely be for sale stateside?
Well here's the Nikoul. We know it has Symbiont Armor, Viral Sniper Rifle, Minelayer, and Sapper....as if that wasn't enough it also has Multispectral Visor Level 1.
That's awesome!
Given their usual release timelines after showing an image like this, when will this likely be for sale stateside?
Not sure about the levitating nomads. Zero G? Or the flametongue sword. A bit AD&D-ish. The reverend-healer has a Frostbrand then? (and shouldn't this be the reverse?)
When the floor is fire, you either levitate or burn. "Icestorm" is the keyword for the levitation system they're using to stay cool under fire (literally).
Not sure about the levitating nomads. Zero G? Or the flametongue sword. A bit AD&D-ish. The reverend-healer has a Frostbrand then? (and shouldn't this be the reverse?)
She is packing a Shock CCW, but can't tell what the other one is maybe EXP, but it be fun if it a new Fire CCW type. Tohaa be damned.
BobbaFett wrote:Ok, so... Father Knight Vs. Reverend Healer in the middle.
I woudl say that the guy jumping at the right.... that pose could be a Hellcat, but it is not wearing any jetpack...
I wouldn't make any assumptions based on the levitating posing. It's just generic Infinity comic book art.
GrimDork wrote:So.... how is that reverend 'healer' not a reverend Moira? She's... like... almost identical in silhouette.
Regardless, looking very much forward to seeing this filled in!
Long story short: We don't know. It could be a new unit or more likely it is a named character that will be exclusive to this box but have rules for other stuff.
Worth noting that the female members of the Observance (which is the term I suggest using in this case, not "Reverend Moira" as that's a specific unit type making up the Observance) all have a very similar silhouette since they have the same basic stats.
I went with Moira since she had a sword that looks almost exactly like the one that's sitting on my painting tray, though I guess she does look a fair bit like a custodier too.
GrimDork wrote: I went with Moira since she had a sword that looks almost exactly like the one that's sitting on my painting tray, though I guess she does look a fair bit like a custodier too.
To be fair, that's less the "Moira sword" and more the "Nomad sword".
Lupe Balboa and the Vortex SpecOps both have it as well as the Observance. The big thing though is that most Nomad models aren't waving swords.
I would know more of these things if owned the books, but unless I ever find someone to play, I'd rather spend the 30-50 bucks on more minis to paint. Which is a shame since they sound pretty nice. Perhaps v3.
Actually, I'd say the silhouette looks more like a Custodier. The lights at the pelvic area seem to match the location of the glowy bits at the pelvic area on the Custodiers painted by Angel. There's not as many, but that can be explained by fabric blowing in front of it. Moiras have no armour at the pelvic area at all, let along glowy bits.
Sure, the sword is one we've seen only seen wielded by Moiras, but that's only because we haven't seen a Custodier with a sword. Given they're both Observance, they'd have the same equipment.
