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i dont have my codex with me at the moment so i cant give the points value, but this list is pretty much un beatable in most game types and will wreck havoc agaisnt most armies.
HQ: one comand sqaud decked out with melta bombs, medipack,vox caster,carapace armour, another but with creed & kell and all the advisors, then a full tech priest sqaud, and minstorum priest with X3eviserators and X2 shotguns, nork deddogg,

TROOPS: 5 infantry platoons with platoon HQ with medipack,platoon standard and vox caster, infantry with vox casters, and a melta gun every 3rd sqaud, as many heavy weapon sqauds i can have with 1/3 with mortars, 1/3 with lascannons and the rest with auto cannons , special weapons teams have snipers 50% then other 25% have melta guns, 25% have nade launchers, 1-5 conscripts to fil in any extra points , 5 chimeras.

ELITES: 3 stormtroopers, 1 with flamer and 2 with meltas, i would take orgyns if they werent exspensive and have to run up on foot.

FAST ATTACK: 3 vendetta sqauds, heavy bolters if any extra points

HEAVY SUPPORT: 2 manticores and 1 death strike with heavy stubber and camo nets. if im lucky first turn 6 large blast templates strength 10 ap 4, insta death to virtauly every one!!!!.

Calling your list unbeatable is bound to get attention...and is asking for people to create armies that will destroy your list...nothing is unbeatable.

Nice 1st post.

One post on dakka and already he's broken the game...impressive.

Right?

Now everyone is going to have to make this exact list...there doesn't seem to be any other choice.

I must agree shane


However, you cant blow another army to gak if its not on the table.
You will find most armies DS or walk on after 1st turn now due to a high choice of transport options.


Also, that list tends to look pretty sub par for a guard army.


With all the tournie players here at dakka im sure most of them that play guard will get a good chuckle from this list

And the list is like 10000 pts. AWESOME dude, you totally cracked the game

Don't forget that marines still get saves against Manticores. Not saying they aren't good, though.

Holy mother of Christ, your post makes my inner Grammar Nazi cry.

One, this should be in Army Lists, two, unless those Storm Troopers are suicide melta delivery drop them, and three, what do you mean by "everything good"?

Also, Yarrick is made of fail, unless you model him as a pirate.

Mortified Penguin wrote:Also, Yarrick is made of fail, unless you model him as a pirate.

I got sick of my acolyte failing my Inquisitor...so now he's modeled as a pirate monkey with a knife on his tail and a lasgun in his arms

I don't know if OP is still here, but I'm pretty sure this was good attempt to commit social suicide.

minipancho94 wrote:
ELITES:2-3 stormtroopers, marbo depeding on the army/game

just for the record; an 'unbeatable' list must be an all-comers list. and an all-comers list doesn't change 'depending on the army/game'. in a tournament, for example, you're stuck with a fixed list. he's either always there or not at all.

@Deadshane: am i completely wrong, or do i see the awe-inspiring rob zombie in your avatar there?

Please, a proper Ninja Tau list would take that apart piece by piece while you waste your massive amounts of templates on nothing...

(Yeah, I'm baiting...)

Ashtaroth wrote:

@Deadshane: am i completely wrong, or do i see the awe-inspiring rob zombie in your avatar there?

Nope, you're right. He replace the great Gary Busey as my Avatar.

Waaaah! He broke my hobby! I can't even dump my stuff on eBay because it's been made worthless! Worthless!

What have you done?!? Waaaah!

Deadshane1 wrote:

Ashtaroth wrote:

@Deadshane: am i completely wrong, or do i see the awe-inspiring rob zombie in your avatar there?

Nope, you're right. He replace the great Gary Busey as my Avatar.

ah, thought so. no mistaking the crazy wizard gestures.

Obvious troll is obvious. As to how I would beat that, this:
http://www.yesthetruthhurts.com/2010/03/space-marines-ard-boyz-fast-nslow.html

50 Bikes, 6 dreads, loads of pain

Nothing is unbeatable. My anger stick smeared with the blood of children's hopes and dreams proves it.

minipancho94 wrote:i dont have my codex with me at the moment so i cant give the points value, but this list is pretty much un beatable in most game types and will wreck havoc agaisnt most armies.
HQ: one comand sqaud decked out with everything good and all the advisors, then comisar yarrick

Yarrick is crap. MoO is crap. Too points heavy.

TROOPS: every choice infantry platoon, all standard except for 2 lascannon sqauds and 2 autocannons, special weapons teams have snipers 50% then other half have melta guns, 5 chimeras.

Snipers? Las HWts? Melta SWSs? A bunch of slogging Guardsmen? And then you only have one troops choice.

ELITES:2-3 stormtroopers, marbo depeding on the army/game

Crap and meh.

FAST ATTACK: 1-3 valkyrie/vendetta sqauds 1-3 sentinal sqauds with multi lasers (for infantry heavy armies)

Valks suck. Sents suck. You're a _____ if you think ML is anti infantry.

HEAVY SUPPORT: 2 manticores and 1 death strike. if im lucky first turn 6 large blast templates strength 10 ap 4, insta death to virtauly every one!!!!.

Oh no, no one has any idea how to beat Manticores!!1!

It's fun to break down just how trolly the troll is

to clear a few things up im not trying to troll im loking for weaknesses to the list, 2 sry for my grammar, 3 for my troops choice i meant all my choices filled out with that to points limit, only 5 chimeras total though, vendettas in reserve with storm troopers. 4 i was at school so i couldnt reply till now. 5: MLs own infantry, at least when i use them 6: infantry no in chimeras deployed to defend manticores/ death strike 7: for the alternate choices just use the first one ill edit them out in a minute 8: yarrick seemed pretty decent for melee, guess not. 9:i only temporaily broke the game if i did, the rest of the 5th edition codex have yet to come out. 10: for DS armies i make a human wall around my tanks so they cant mellee the tanks imediatly and then theres first rank fire second rank fire!!!

That's what I said, it is 10 000 pts Lots of awesome advice to gather at that level

minipancho94 wrote:to clear a few things up im not trying to troll im loking for weaknesses to the list, 2 sry for my grammar, 3 for my troops choice i meant all my choices filled out with that to points limit, only 5 chimeras total though, vendettas in reserve with storm troopers. 4 i was at school so i couldnt reply till now. 5: MLs own infantry, at least when i use them 6: infantry no in chimeras deployed to defend manticores/ death strike 7: for the alternate choices just use the first one ill edit them out in a minute 8: yarrick seemed pretty decent for melee, guess not. 9:i only temporaily broke the game if i did, the rest of the 5th edition codex have yet to come out. 10: for DS armies i make a human wall around my tanks so they cant mellee the tanks imediatly and then theres first rank fire second rank fire!!!

W... Ye... Uhh... I guess... You know, I'm not sure what to say to this.

For grins and giggles, I tried to calculate the army's price. I got to 1255 and hit that block of stupid in his Troops choices. He's got 600 points of Heavies on top of that and 390 points of Fast Attack. So yeah, 2245 points excluding what is sure to be another 6 thousand in his Troops choices.

God I hate trolls. They make me do stupid math.

DarkHound wrote:

minipancho94 wrote:to clear a few things up im not trying to troll im loking for weaknesses to the list, 2 sry for my grammar, 3 for my troops choice i meant all my choices filled out with that to points limit, only 5 chimeras total though, vendettas in reserve with storm troopers. 4 i was at school so i couldnt reply till now. 5: MLs own infantry, at least when i use them 6: infantry no in chimeras deployed to defend manticores/ death strike 7: for the alternate choices just use the first one ill edit them out in a minute 8: yarrick seemed pretty decent for melee, guess not. 9:i only temporaily broke the game if i did, the rest of the 5th edition codex have yet to come out. 10: for DS armies i make a human wall around my tanks so they cant mellee the tanks imediatly and then theres first rank fire second rank fire!!!

W... Ye... Uhh... I guess... You know, I'm not sure what to say to this.

For grins and giggles, I tried to calculate the army's price. I got to 1255 and hit that block of stupid in his Troops choices. He's got 600 points of Heavies on top of that and 390 points of Fast Attack. So yeah, 2245 points excluding what is sure to be another 6 thousand in his Troops choices.

God I hate trolls. They make me do stupid math.

getting exact points up now itll be a few though.


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points!!
HQ = 600
elites = 520
troops X6 = gaurdsmen = 300, hq= 85 hws= 415 sws= 95 cs= 200 total=6570
chimeras X5 =275
fast attack = 1170
heavy support = 600
total = 8682

I bring two imperitor titans... you lose...

And I STILL have 682 points left over!

@OP:

Couple of notes for you:

1. You're not guaranteed to go first. In fact, there are several codexes out there that can influence the roll to go first, meaning you don't even have a 50/50 chance of going first.

2. If you play against anyone with decent firepower who also goes first...you're going to kinda auto-lose.

3. There's nothing wrong with someone reserving their whole army to make sure that they get to alpha strike you, not vice versus. Are you going to in turn reserve your deathstrike and manticore missiles? And the Deathstrike can't shoot on the first turn.


Those are just he most blindly obvious weaknesses.

Dashofpepper wrote:@OP:

Couple of notes for you:

1. You're not guaranteed to go first. In fact, there are several codexes out there that can influence the roll to go first, meaning you don't even have a 50/50 chance of going first.

2. If you play against anyone with decent firepower who also goes first...you're going to kinda auto-lose.

3. There's nothing wrong with someone reserving their whole army to make sure that they get to alpha strike you, not vice versus. Are you going to in turn reserve your deathstrike and manticore missiles? And the Deathstrike can't shoot on the first turn.


Those are just he most blindly obvious weaknesses.

i know those weakneses, if they reserve their whole army i reserve my manticores, not my death strike as it gets +1 to the launch roll each turn its on the table. also i can choose wether to go first or second in most cases, also i still have those 900 gaurdsmen with with first rank fire second rank fire for the conscripts and 4 gaurdsmen sqauds, thats 2400 shots if i use combined sqauds on the gaurdsmen then i have my lascannons and autocannons, plus my techpriest. and my 9 vendettas in reserve with 30 stormtroopers and 60 gaurdsmen and the rest in chimeras/advanceing


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sniperjolly wrote:I bring two imperitor titans... you lose...

And I STILL have 682 points left over!

i have my vendettas, i get under your void shields and give you 27 lascanon shots to rear amour you sir now lose

minipancho94 wrote:

sniperjolly wrote:And I STILL have 682 points left over!

i have my vendettas, i get under your void shields and give you 27 lascanon shots to rear amour you sir now lose

Uhh, you'll move in inside the Void Shields of each of them, and they'll be spaced across the board from each other. After moving the 24" to get under their range you won't be able to fire. The Titans proceede to blow apart your flyers, and use any extra weapons to level your army. They could even ignore the Vendettas, kill your army and come back. They've got 12 structure points a peice and AV13 rear armor, and get to regenerate a shield for every structure point they have.

DarkHound wrote:

minipancho94 wrote:

sniperjolly wrote:And I STILL have 682 points left over!

i have my vendettas, i get under your void shields and give you 27 lascanon shots to rear amour you sir now lose

Uhh, you'll move in inside the Void Shields of each of them, and they'll be spaced across the board from each other. After moving the 24" to get under their range you won't be able to fire. The Titans proceede to blow apart your flyers, and use any extra weapons to level your army. They could even ignore the Vendettas, kill your army and come back. They've got 12 structure points a peice and AV13 rear armor, and get to regenerate a shield for every structure point they have.

kell & creed if i am correct allow out flanking and i can take the risk to deepstrike behind your titans and plus you forget the multi meltas that the gaurdsmen inside are armed with, also i have 900 gaurdsmen on the table acting as cannon fodder i can concentrate all the vendettas on one titan and it would only have a few structure points left if any, maybe if you had multiple warhounds it might be harder but those 2 will fall

I must say, not many codexes can actually make a 9000 point list inside a regular force org chart.

I tried with chaos, and ended up with 120 plague marines, 30 nurgle terminators, 6 land raiders, ahriman, abaddon, and 30 nurgle bikers. Still didn't spend enough points. I think that list would do ok.

Please try to:

1.) Use the enter key
2.) realize that the points things cost matter
3.) think about how likely it is that you've actually found an unbeatable or even close to unbeatable list that no one else noticed
4.) have fun on dakka!

DarkHound wrote:Uhh, you'll move in inside the Void Shields of each of them, and they'll be spaced across the board from each other. After moving the 24" to get under their range you won't be able to fire. The Titans proceede to blow apart your flyers, and use any extra weapons to level your army. They could even ignore the Vendettas, kill your army and come back. They've got 12 structure points a peice and AV13 rear armor, and get to regenerate a shield for every structure point they have.

How do you plan on shooting down flyers with titans? Are you spamming vulcan mega-bolters or something? If so, you really deserve to lose; why not take laser blasters instead and leave the enemy flyers for specialist units?

Would be fun to orbital strike such a large list.