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Execute a Space Marine for any of the possible reasons to kill a guardsmen?

No. He has no authority over an SM.
Though if the SM is actually turning heretic/renegade then he can go nuts for all the good it'll do him.

Of course not. Why would they?

No. Unless he is a Traitor.
Or unless its an Ultramarine then yes he may shoot him.

purplefood wrote:No. He has no authority over an SM.
Though if the SM is actually turning heretic/renegade then he can go nuts for all the good it'll do him.

I guess I could say, as a Lord Commisar would he get away with it?

I'm fairly certain that the answer is no. A commissar is a detachment to Imperial Guard Regiments, and is not located within the Astartes.

The Imperial Guard and Space Marines are two seperate entities, in an attempt to limit the power of a commander after the Horus Heresy.

The Astartes are not technically in charge of Imperial Guard forces, neither are high rankning Imperial Guard officers in charge of Space Marines.

I believe the chaplain has the same basic roles as an Imperial Commissar. He would be the one to find an Astartes wanting.

Asherian Command wrote:No. Unless he is a Traitor.
Or unless its an Ultramarine then yes he may shoot him.

Oh wow, Ultramarines hate. How fething original.

He'd have to shoot him 9 times in the face anyway. Would be a bit awkward after the anti-climatic first shot.

Joey wrote:Of course not. Why would they?

A multitude of reasons really, retreating from Battle or refusing orders in the heat of combat. It seems like sometimes there are many Space Marines who are way to arrogant/hateful of the Imperial Guard.

Alexzandvar wrote:

Joey wrote:Of course not. Why would they?

A multitude of reasons really, retreating from Battle or refusing orders in the heat of combat. It seems like sometimes there are many Space Marines who are way to arrogant/hateful of the Imperial Guard.

Next time someone's arrogant to me, guess I'll shoot them in the face.
Especially if they and their friends are all bigger than me and my friends.

No.

Just no.

Turn off your internet and read a book.

Joey wrote:

Alexzandvar wrote:

Joey wrote:Of course not. Why would they?

A multitude of reasons really, retreating from Battle or refusing orders in the heat of combat. It seems like sometimes there are many Space Marines who are way to arrogant/hateful of the Imperial Guard.

Next time someone's arrogant to me, guess I'll shoot them in the face.
Especially if they and their friends are all bigger than me and my friends.

And genetically engineered to be the perfect warriors.

Thank you everyone for giving me a better understanding of the abilities/permissions of an Lord Commisar. Sorry to bother you all with this dumb question.

Alexzandvar wrote:

Joey wrote:Of course not. Why would they?

A multitude of reasons really, retreating from Battle or refusing orders in the heat of combat. It seems like sometimes there are many Space Marines who are way to arrogant/hateful of the Imperial Guard.

Marines rarely answer to Imperial Guard officers.
Arrogant and hateful doesn't mean a Lord Commissar is just gonna execute them. Fairly sure you can't execute someone based on character flaws.

Alexzandvar wrote:

purplefood wrote:No. He has no authority over an SM.
Though if the SM is actually turning heretic/renegade then he can go nuts for all the good it'll do him.

I guess I could say, as a Lord Commisar would he get away with it?

He wouldn't.
If he did manage to kill him the others would shoot back.

The space Marines battle brothers would have no qualms killing a Lord Commissar if he tried to excecute one of their own. And they would probably get away with doing it too.

But I doubt a Lord Commissar would be stupid enough to try.

Or the Sob might just kill him on the grounds of heresy.

And the marines running from the battlefield? What is the galaxy coming to

Commissars have jurisdiction over Imperial Guard and their matters only. Astartes are independent, and don't answer to the Commissariat. Now, an Inquisitor on the other hand...

I'm being a bit of a devil here but... it's exactly the same answer as the ones that the SM fans always give in relation to 'Can an Inquisitor [who therefore outranks all SMs] order SMs to do something?' Nono, whatever the technical, legal answer might be, it's all about connections and martial force, right?

If it's a phenomenally well connected Lord Commissar putting a Bolt through the (helmetless, obviously) head of the last poor remaining Celestial Lion then yeah. Good for the goose....

But he'll have to be extremely well connected if he blasted a SW for the equivalent of not carrying his copy of 'The Imperial Space Marine's Uplifting Primer'....

DreadlordME!: The SoB might well be more likely to shoot the SMs for heresy than our plucky Lord Commissar... bunch of deviants and mutants the lot of 'em.

Its not CAN the Lord Commisar shoot a errant Astartes for some infraction..

Its Should he try it, better make that first shot count...likely will not get another.

and if a marine deserves to be shot for arrogant/hateful behavior, maybe the Lord Commisar should start with himself, since that behavior is kinda part and parcel of his own position.

purplefood wrote:No. He has no authority over an SM.
Though if the SM is actually turning heretic/renegade then he can go nuts for all the good it'll do him.

A space marine can die to a bolter shell to the head quite easily TYVM.


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DreadlordME! wrote:Or the Sob might just kill him on the grounds of heresy.

Unlikely.

The commissar is a good and abiding worshipper of the Emperor, and a member of the proper faith.

The Space Marine is not.

In fairness there many different versions of the Imperial faith with the Emperor usually being the head of a pantheon of gods or having many different facets...

purplefood wrote:In fairness there many different versions of the Imperial faith with the Emperor usually being the head of a pantheon of gods or having many different facets...

However, the Space Marines do not, with rare exception, actually worship the emperor.

He could certainly TRY to execute a marine... I wouldn't advise it though.

Commissariat only has authority over the Imperial Guard and Navy.

The closed equivalent of Commissars you get in Space Marine chapters are Chaplains, who are a big more empathetic to say the least.

Melissia wrote:

purplefood wrote:In fairness there many different versions of the Imperial faith with the Emperor usually being the head of a pantheon of gods or having many different facets...

However, the Space Marines do not, with rare exception, actually worship the emperor.

No, but would you rather have a million post-human super warriors fighting for you or against you for the sake of a few technicalities?
They don't need to worship him anyway. That's not how they see him. It would be like a child worshipping their father.

Harriticus wrote:Commissariat only has authority over the Imperial Army and Navy.

And everyone else if martial law is declared, save the Inquisition.

purplefood wrote:No, but would you rather have a million post-human super warriors fighting for you or against you for the sake of a few technicalities?

If they've turned to Chaos, they aren't fighting for the commissar's cause anyway.

I imagine it would go something like this:

" In His Holy Name, Stay and fight!"
BANG!
...
BANG! BANG!
...
"Stop that."

Melissia wrote:

Harriticus wrote:Commissariat only has authority over the Imperial Army and Navy.

And everyone else if martial law is declared, save the Inquisition.

purplefood wrote:No, but would you rather have a million post-human super warriors fighting for you or against you for the sake of a few technicalities?

If they've turned to Chaos, they aren't fighting for the commissar's cause anyway.

And that's why i said 'unless they've turned heretic/renegade'...

The Crusader wrote:I imagine it would go something like this:

" In His Holy Name, Stay and fight!"
BANG!
*clang from marine's power armor falling down due to him having a case of the exploded head*
"Oh gak, our commissar has BALLS. We best not stand up to him!"

Fixed for you.

The point is that Space Marines represent a tier of law above any human authority, so a Commissar has no jurisdiction over Astartes.