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Or artillery.

im2randomghgh wrote:

Lynata wrote:The origin of the source is probably the "issue". They also change their average height anywhere between 7 and 11 feet depending entirely on what you're reading.

For what it's worth, they have constantly been getting better in GW's books to go along with the hype - both in stats and in fluff capabilities. Anyone remember their original Rogue Trader version?

Where the hell are they 11 feet? That's getting into primarch height.

8-9 feet in the fanwankish stories, 7 to 7 1/2 feet in ones written by authors who aren't slowed.


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Melissia wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:What are you going on about? You know space marines also have other space marines backing him up too. If you going to make a big deal about a Lord Commissars ability to requisition special equipment then his equivilant would be a chapter master. Those guys have a lot of fancy gear too including power weapons, plasma and Iron Halos.

Fine, artillery bombardment.

There's your execution.

Because there is no kill like overkill. There is only open fire and I need to reload.

No, Canuck. The equivalent of a chapter master would be a Lord militant/warmaster. And you can BET that if a warmaster wanted an individual astartes dead, he would be dead.

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:What are you going on about? You know space marines also have other space marines backing him up too. If you going to make a big deal about a Lord Commissars ability to requisition special equipment then his equivilant would be a chapter master. Those guys have a lot of fancy gear too including power weapons, plasma and Iron Halos.

We're talking about a Lord Commissar, on a planet, executing a marine. Now Lord Commissars are fairly rare. But not as rare as a chapter master. Odds are its a squad or two of marines on planet. Maybe a captain. Seeing as how marines are susposed to be rare in the fluff. Unlike the table top, where 50% of the armies are marines. So seeing thats the Lord Commissars a smart person, he knows he needs to execute this murdering marine quickly. So he either takes a squad or two of guardsmen, which unlike marines are very commonplace. Or he uses a plasma pistol.

There's a 1,000 Chapter Masters and there's probably about that many Lord Commissars too. They are both the highest rank that can be achieved in their respective careers.
There may be a super-boss commissar in charge of every commissar on Earth but then there is no Astartes equivilalent to that then.

About a commissar per regiment, and per ship. So thats millions of commissars. So even assuming a 1:1000 like the marines theres going to be at least 10000 lord commissars.

I don't think it's a ratio. There's probably 1 or 2 per sector. He's probably the sector boss.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:I don't think it's a ratio. There's probably 1 or 2 per sector. He's probably the sector boss.

Speculation =/= valuable

im2randomghgh wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:I don't think it's a ratio. There's probably 1 or 2 per sector. He's probably the sector boss.

Speculation =/= valuable

Is that supposed to mean something?

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:I don't think it's a ratio. There's probably 1 or 2 per sector. He's probably the sector boss.

Speculation =/= valuable

Is that supposed to mean something?

You are speculating, which isn't a strong argument. State facts, or concede to whoever you were arguing with (forget his name)

im2randomghgh wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:I don't think it's a ratio. There's probably 1 or 2 per sector. He's probably the sector boss.

Speculation =/= valuable

Is that supposed to mean something?

You are speculating, which isn't a strong argument. State facts, or concede to whoever you were arguing with (forget his name)

He is also speculating, genius. If only you could find his name somehow....

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:I don't think it's a ratio. There's probably 1 or 2 per sector. He's probably the sector boss.

Speculation =/= valuable

Is that supposed to mean something?

You are speculating, which isn't a strong argument. State facts, or concede to whoever you were arguing with (forget his name)

He is also speculating, genius. If only you could find his name somehow....

Well caboose was stating "even if it was..." for the ratio, showing a scenario, and a worst case scenario for his side of the argument too. You simply denied his side of the argument with an "I don't think it would be" or equivalent answer.

im2randomghgh wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:I don't think it's a ratio. There's probably 1 or 2 per sector. He's probably the sector boss.

Speculation =/= valuable

Is that supposed to mean something?

You are speculating, which isn't a strong argument. State facts, or concede to whoever you were arguing with (forget his name)

Im speculating as well. And i think we were discussing, not arguing.

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:I don't think it's a ratio. There's probably 1 or 2 per sector. He's probably the sector boss.

Speculation =/= valuable

Is that supposed to mean something?

You are speculating, which isn't a strong argument. State facts, or concede to whoever you were arguing with (forget his name)

Im speculating as well. And i think we were discussing, not arguing.

Yes, thank you. That's what I thought.

I rest my case that he presented a scenario, you simply presented your opinion as a pseudo-fact.

Artillery you say? Ah but not if the SM Strike Cruiser (or Battlebarge) bombards the artillery position first... and IG can't order IN so SMs FTW!

Thus spake our Spiritual Liege... Oh no! I'm turning blue with funny 'U's all over me!

It really isn't necessary to go to such lengths to entertain the possibility that a wiley ol' LC can zap a SM... a single SM... not a SM Captain or Chapter Master with Iron Halo... (such being conspiciously absent from the OP's question)... sigh.

Plenty of (official narrative) precedent for a single SM being deployed, especially if he's Deathwatch.

tsz52 wrote:Artillery you say? Ah but not if the SM Strike Cruiser (or Battlebarge) bombards the artillery position first... and IG can't order IN so SMs FTW!

Thus spake our Spiritual Liege... Oh no! I'm turning blue with funny 'U's all over me!

It really isn't necessary to go to such lengths to entertain the possibility that a wiley ol' LC can zap a SM... a single SM... not a SM Captain or Chapter Master with Iron Halo... (such being conspiciously absent from the OP's question)... sigh.

Plenty of (official narrative) precedent for a single SM being deployed, especially if he's Deathwatch.

IN and IG are both part of the munitorum, and are therefore different branches of the same organisation, so by that definition, SM fleets can suck my balls, because IN ships are far more powerful.

im2randomghgh wrote:

tsz52 wrote:Artillery you say? Ah but not if the SM Strike Cruiser (or Battlebarge) bombards the artillery position first... and IG can't order IN so SMs FTW!

Thus spake our Spiritual Liege... Oh no! I'm turning blue with funny 'U's all over me!

It really isn't necessary to go to such lengths to entertain the possibility that a wiley ol' LC can zap a SM... a single SM... not a SM Captain or Chapter Master with Iron Halo... (such being conspiciously absent from the OP's question)... sigh.

Plenty of (official narrative) precedent for a single SM being deployed, especially if he's Deathwatch.

IN and IG are both part of the munitorum, and are therefore different branches of the same organisation, so by that definition, SM fleets can suck my balls, because IN ships are far more powerful.

Yesss good good there isss much hate in thisss one. Now take your tau codex and ssssstrike down the ssssspesss mareensssss and take your place at the xenossss sssside.

*evil laugh*

im2randomghgh wrote:

tsz52 wrote:Artillery you say? Ah but not if the SM Strike Cruiser (or Battlebarge) bombards the artillery position first... and IG can't order IN so SMs FTW!

Thus spake our Spiritual Liege... Oh no! I'm turning blue with funny 'U's all over me!

It really isn't necessary to go to such lengths to entertain the possibility that a wiley ol' LC can zap a SM... a single SM... not a SM Captain or Chapter Master with Iron Halo... (such being conspiciously absent from the OP's question)... sigh.

Plenty of (official narrative) precedent for a single SM being deployed, especially if he's Deathwatch.

IN and IG are both part of the munitorum, and are therefore different branches of the same organisation, so by that definition, SM fleets can suck my balls, because IN ships are far more powerful.

You know that I was sardonically using reductio to illustrate absurdity, right? Executing the OP's 'a Space Marine' becoming squads of Space Marines with Plasma Guns, then Captains and Chapter Masters then artillery - feth it, why not get Battlebarges and Battleships on the case?!

Just out of interest though, there is a deliberate division and separation of power between IG and IN (Munitorum itself doesn't give orders) so IG couldn't order IN to fire upon that pesky Battlebarge... but since we're talking Commissars, could the LC on the deck order the (lower ranking) Fleet Commissar to order the Flag Admiral to fire upon the Battlebarge? I guess he could?

As to the sentiment of your post [pssst, I don't really like SMs], couldn't agree more: Fly Navy!

tsz52 wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

tsz52 wrote:Artillery you say? Ah but not if the SM Strike Cruiser (or Battlebarge) bombards the artillery position first... and IG can't order IN so SMs FTW!

Thus spake our Spiritual Liege... Oh no! I'm turning blue with funny 'U's all over me!

It really isn't necessary to go to such lengths to entertain the possibility that a wiley ol' LC can zap a SM... a single SM... not a SM Captain or Chapter Master with Iron Halo... (such being conspiciously absent from the OP's question)... sigh.

Plenty of (official narrative) precedent for a single SM being deployed, especially if he's Deathwatch.

IN and IG are both part of the munitorum, and are therefore different branches of the same organisation, so by that definition, SM fleets can suck my balls, because IN ships are far more powerful.

You know that I was sardonically using reductio to illustrate absurdity, right? Executing the OP's 'a Space Marine' becoming squads of Space Marines with Plasma Guns, then Captains and Chapter Masters then artillery - feth it, why not get Battlebarges and Battleships on the case?!

Just out of interest though, there is a deliberate division and separation of power between IG and IN (Munitorum itself doesn't give orders) so IG couldn't order IN to fire upon that pesky Battlebarge... but since we're talking Commissars, could the LC on the deck order the (lower ranking) Fleet Commissar to order the Flag Admiral to fire upon the Battlebarge? I guess he could?

As to the sentiment of your post [pssst, I don't really like SMs], couldn't agree more: Fly Navy!

The munitorum actually DOES give orders though. That is why a warmaster of the Imperial Guard will always have ships under his command. A high-ranking munitorum official could direct a fleet to a given location and then create the grand strategy for the land battle below.


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ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

tsz52 wrote:Artillery you say? Ah but not if the SM Strike Cruiser (or Battlebarge) bombards the artillery position first... and IG can't order IN so SMs FTW!

Thus spake our Spiritual Liege... Oh no! I'm turning blue with funny 'U's all over me!

It really isn't necessary to go to such lengths to entertain the possibility that a wiley ol' LC can zap a SM... a single SM... not a SM Captain or Chapter Master with Iron Halo... (such being conspiciously absent from the OP's question)... sigh.

Plenty of (official narrative) precedent for a single SM being deployed, especially if he's Deathwatch.

IN and IG are both part of the munitorum, and are therefore different branches of the same organisation, so by that definition, SM fleets can suck my balls, because IN ships are far more powerful.

Yesss good good there isss much hate in thisss one. Now take your tau codex and ssssstrike down the ssssspesss mareensssss and take your place at the xenossss sssside.

*evil laugh*

And I'll do it from 30" away

BTW that was really clever

im2randomghgh wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:I don't think it's a ratio. There's probably 1 or 2 per sector. He's probably the sector boss.

Speculation =/= valuable

Unless you're the one doing the speculation amirite?

Melissia wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:I don't think it's a ratio. There's probably 1 or 2 per sector. He's probably the sector boss.

Speculation =/= valuable

Unless you're the one doing the speculation amirite?

If you present a scenario it is acceptable, if you simply counter an argument with nothing but opinion...not so much.

im2randomghgh wrote:

Melissia wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:I don't think it's a ratio. There's probably 1 or 2 per sector. He's probably the sector boss.

Speculation =/= valuable

Unless you're the one doing the speculation amirite?

If you present a scenario it is acceptable, if you simply counter an argument with nothing but opinion...not so much.

I honesty don't know if you're trolling or just "special".