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The trygon isn't big enough to really be a larger pricier kit. My bet is that we'll see Carnifex nerfed and the only viable nidzilla list will be with multiple Trygons.

Hey, I could be wrong. But IMO it's not about the amount of material...it's what you can get people to pay for it. And when the FW kit sells at about $120, it's very hard to imagine GW giving us a 60% price break off the resin version.

I'll play:

Tyranids metal box US$33.00 = Broodlord (bigger and more expensive)

Tyranids metal blister US$16.50 = 1 Ravenor ($16 is too cheap for a Broodlord)

Tyranids plastic box US$44.50 = Hive Tyrant (plastic HQ to go with plastic Troops)

Tyranids plastic box US$29.00 = 5 Gargoyles (minimum size, cost like AM, but more $)

Tyranids plastic box US$49.50 = 3 Heavy Warriors (minimum size, cost like Devs, but more $$$)!


Trygon will be later, price like a Valk ($$$$), and just as indispensible.

gorgon wrote:Hey, I could be wrong. But IMO it's not about the amount of material...it's what you can get people to pay for it. And when the FW kit sells at about $120, it's very hard to imagine GW giving us a 60% price break off the resin version.

The same thing was said of the Valkyrie and the Baneblade. They aren't priced at the same level as Forgeworld. $125 down to $58. The Baneblade from $230 to $100. A 55% and 58% percent decrease. The Trygon is currently $120... so at the same cost down as a Valkyrie its $53 at that of the Baneblade its at $50 my main rational for why it would be the lower price is that the model isn't that volumous... which when your talking the $1000's of difference in a molds costs can be the difference. The Carnifex is only three sprues, thats all the Trygon needs, and really the Trygon will likely just get the weapon sprue from the carnifex to cover its "new options".

Believe it or not GW is becoming aware of price sensitivity. They'll never admit it, but its the main reason we're seeing models priced to "$49.50" and "$58.00".


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Tyranids metal box US$33.00 = Biovore

Tyranids metal blister US$16.50 = Broodlord

Tyranids plastic box US$44.50 = Ravenors/Warrior packaged together

Tyranids plastic box US$29.00 = Gargoyles

Tyranids plastic box US$49.50 = Trygon

We all know the £27 box is the new nid battle force that comes with 60 models

If GW can get Land Raider / Valkyrie money for the brand-new plastic Trygon, why wouldn't they price it as such?

Or is the notion that they're going pull a Valk, and bump the $49.50 announce price to $58 when the actually start taking orders?

I think you guys need to realize that at least 4 of the new boxes are new species. the $50 one is the larger than carnifex beastie.

You are assuming GW releases everything thats new with the codex. IG still don't have Psyker Battle Squad, Penal Legions, some of our tanks and artillery. You can't count on everything that is new to be released with the book.

JohnHwangDD wrote:If GW can get Land Raider / Valkyrie money for the brand-new plastic Trygon, why wouldn't they price it as such?

Or is the notion that they're going pull a Valk, and bump the $49.50 announce price to $58 when the actually start taking orders?

John... I said specifically why I believe they'd price it less than a Valkyrie:

aka_mythos wrote:Believe it or not GW is becoming aware of price sensitivity. They'll never admit it, but its the main reason we're seeing models priced to "$49.50" and "$58.00".

Given the fact that it is similar in size to a Carnifex without much discernable difference they probably don't feel they could get away with it. The fact that they can charge $120 for the Forgeworld one shows they could get away with almost any price. That price is for a slightly different market. GW sells to a different demographic than Forgeworld, and must price accordingly.

And I said why they'll bump it up.

The reason it's $58 is because they don't want to charge $60+.

Someone posted about hoping the French drop an early list. I couldn't find to quote.

But they bring up a great point. Those accidental releases get EVERYONE talking about there product not just people in the rumors forum. I was hearing about it from folks who don't look for 40K online. It is a great way to get covert feedback and gauge what units are going to be hot off the shelves.

Though the guy in charge of information management in GW is supposed to be a monster with anyone who leaks info. To the point of people getting fired.*


*Only heard this.

I'm going to have to completely agree with with Grimpost.

aka_mythos wrote:You are assuming GW releases everything thats new with the codex. IG still don't have Psyker Battle Squad, Penal Legions, some of our tanks and artillery. You can't count on everything that is new to be released with the book.

But if IG got everything in their Codex, it would be called 'Imperial Guard 40,000 & Enemies'. When you're a horde then you take numerous amounts of pretty much all models and each swarm is different, so you have to realize will be nothing new to the Tyranid Codex that won't have a model, or GW risks a massive problem amongst 'Nid players.

Tim the Biovore wrote:But if IG got everything in their Codex, it would be called 'Imperial Guard 40,000 & Enemies'.

Sounds good to me!

At last it'd be different from the current Spaz Marinz & Friends.

Do I dare e-mail GW with this proposal? Nah.

So the rumor goes 3pt Gaunts with WoN right?

Lets just say they make gaunt squads 30 troops for the sake of a round number. Give them two 1pt upgrades a piece.

180 gaunts for 900pts

That's cool to think of, but I would kill myself if I played someone who was fielding that just based on time it would take to set up. I don't play Ork hordes for the same reason. Takes to damn long.


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My friend wants to fight two squads of WoN gaunts with Ragnar to see how many he can kill before he gets taken down eventually. He ads # of attacks equal to how many troops he killed last turn. Just keep feeding him gaunts to see how high of a "Combo" he can build up.

lol good times.

Why put 2 upgrades on them when you could just put 1? I'd imagine those 900 points would be better spent on 225 Gaunts with guns than 180 Gaunts with guns and...something else. Then again, if they keep brood sizes the same, 192 will be the most you can take. Boo. :(

I was just using 30 as a nice round number. And 6 troops is maxed out.

Also the two 1pt upgrades what just to show that you can invest in them and still get a ton of units for a relatively little amount.

More to the point I don't want to play someone that is pulling out over 180 models.

gorgon wrote:I agree with Shep. I doubt they price a Trygon at $50 when they could easily get $60, and given the price of the existing FW model (which people are obviously willing to pay). It'd be great for customers if true, but it'd be some bad pricing work on the part of GW's marketers.

Stop complaining about a price being low. If its the Trygon, YAY, its cheap. If its not the Trygon then you guys aren't getting a Trygon because its not on the release schedule. I don't see how its bad pricing, it would be GW pricing it comparably to a similar product because they are selling to a different demographic than FW is. Who knows, maybe if GW keep reading this thread they'll bump up the price.

Grimpost wrote:
That's cool to think of, but I would kill myself if I played someone who was fielding that just based on time it would take to set up. I don't play Ork hordes for the same reason. Takes to damn long.

I don't know about you man, but I usually just move my front line of gaunts and then pull from the back line to "fill in" with minimal reorganizing since I remove from the back for casualities, all the other units stay still, basically simulating the gaunts moving up 2-3 rows (6") without moving all 100 models.

I always get the one guy who moves ALL of his models individually.

Grundz wrote:

Grimpost wrote:
That's cool to think of, but I would kill myself if I played someone who was fielding that just based on time it would take to set up. I don't play Ork hordes for the same reason. Takes to damn long.

I don't know about you man, but I usually just move my front line of gaunts and then pull from the back line to "fill in" with minimal reorganizing since I remove from the back for casualities, all the other units stay still, basically simulating the gaunts moving up 2-3 rows (6") without moving all 100 models.

I do that, too, but I think it's only fair to ask your opponent for permission beforehand. I doubt you'll get much resistance, but courtesy counts. Moving models individually doesn't only suck for the person who has to watch it happen, believe me.

Grimpost wrote:So the rumor goes 3pt Gaunts with WoN right?

Lets just say they make gaunt squads 30 troops for the sake of a round number. Give them two 1pt upgrades a piece.

180 gaunts for 900pts

That's cool to think of, but I would kill myself if I played someone who was fielding that just based on time it would take to set up. I don't play Ork hordes for the same reason. Takes to damn long.


---side note---
My friend wants to fight two squads of WoN gaunts with Ragnar to see how many he can kill before he gets taken down eventually. He ads # of attacks equal to how many troops he killed last turn. Just keep feeding him gaunts to see how high of a "Combo" he can build up.

lol good times.

thats not how that works. it like this: say i kill 5 people with my 5 attacks (unlikely i know) i then charge a squad of ten ork boys and get 10 attacks i kill them all on my own and charge another boyz squad of 10 and have 15 attacks if i kill them all and then charge another ork boyz sqaud of 10 i'll still only have 15 attacks since it say "from the previous assualt phase." so your friend (if he's playing in accordence to all the 40k rules)no matter how hard he tries will never get the "omg i now have 650 attacks because ive killed 645 of your + my 5 base attacks!"


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also they wouldn't sell it more than $50 because the know forgeworld stuff is so much better than theirs (not due to a fault in the designer though) so anything more than 50% of the price wouldn't sell. (if the trygon is the $50 box then that would be 40% of the forgeworld price. see i'm right just like i was a page or so ago so stop making remarks on the pricing of thing gw knows what they're doing)

You all know LoTR makes movement trays that fit 40k models right? If you cut them in half length wise movement goes very fast. Also, hormagaunts don't fall over any more.

twistinthunder wrote:

Grimpost wrote:My friend wants to fight two squads of WoN gaunts with Ragnar to see how many he can kill before he gets taken down eventually. He ads # of attacks equal to how many troops he killed last turn.

thats not how that works.

i'll still only have 15 attacks since it say "from the previous assualt phase." so your friend (if he's playing in accordence to all the 40k rules)no matter how hard he tries will never get the "omg i now have 650 attacks because ive killed 645 of your + my 5 base attacks!"

Um, isn't that what he said?

"Adds attacks equal to how many troops killed last turn"

NOT

"Adds attacks equal to how many troops killed since the start of the game"

I am so pumped to see bugs showing up everywhere.

Kwosge wrote:You all know LoTR makes movement trays that fit 40k models right? If you cut them in half length wise movement goes very fast. Also, hormagaunts don't fall over any more.

And well built movement trays can really help to keep your models in that perfect 2" distanced hexagonal grid that minimizes damage from flamers and blasts.

Mellon wrote:And well built movement trays can really help to keep your models in that perfect 2" distanced hexagonal grid that minimizes damage from flamers and blasts.

uggghhhhhh

AoD wrote:

Mellon wrote:And well built movement trays can really help to keep your models in that perfect 2" distanced hexagonal grid that minimizes damage from flamers and blasts.

uggghhhhhh

Sorry, I really should have put a smiley or another marking of sarcasm somehwere in that post. I never learn that tones of voice and overly innocent looks doesn't carry well in text.

Mellon wrote:And well built movement trays can really help to keep your models in that perfect 2" distanced hexagonal grid that minimizes damage from flamers and blasts.

I just bought some LotR movement trays for my gaunts, and they work really well, as moving units is x10 faster and coz I nolonger pile everything base to base, I have more hungry nids getting into battle, I recommend them for hordes. Im looking at buying more for my eldar and orks

Yeah, even though War of the Ring is over-rated, the movement trays are awesome.