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Those warseer links for the boxart aren't working.

I heard that the Tyranid Creature Creator is coming back.





(Or i think i heard that from the voices from my head! Lmfao)

You mean the one where you could make a lots-of-wounds, T10 creature for 300 points or less? Yeah, that was a pretty successful idea.

gorgon wrote:

AoD wrote:

bhsman wrote:

AoD wrote:Why on earth would you ever want to be forced to take Tyranid Warriors to fill your troops slots?

Unless there's an unimaginably massive change to warriors, that's another one of those "hand your opponent a win" options.

A new take on the Nidzilla list that uses Warriors over Genestealers for troops?

With the same toughness, the same save, 1/3rd the number of models, no fleet, and fewer overall attacks and wounds? Sign me up!

Points values, special rules, biomorphs and weapons kits are kinda missing from the summary.

But if you want some advantages over 'stealers, they're starting with a 4+ save...it's possible they have access to a 3+. It's also reasonable to infer they could carry melta Deathspitters. That has to count for something. And you don't get 3 'stealers for every Warrior *now.* It's more like roughly 2:1. If it becomes 1.5:1...things start getting interesting, IMO.

As well as a troop unit that can hold and objective without being paper thin. If someone else said the same thing disreguard I'm on page 32 of 34 at the time of posting.

MilkmanAl wrote:You mean the one where you could make a lots-of-wounds, T10 creature for 300 points or less? Yeah, that was a pretty successful idea.

totally.

I made a creature that shot hella krak missile equivalent lol.


Who says nids can't anti tank?! hahaha.

5th edition that's who

Scryer in the Dark added prices and price codes to the Warseer summary:

Scryer in the Dark wrote:
99110106063 <Tyranids metal box code> £18.00 / US$33.00 / 26,00€ / Oz$55.00
99060106064 <Tyranids metal blister code> £10.00 / US$16.50 / 13,00€ / Oz$28.00
99120106016 <Tyranids plastic box code> £27.00 / US$44.50 / 35,00€ / Oz$74.00
99120106018 <Tyranids plastic box code> £18.00 / US$29.00 / 22,75€ / Oz$48.00
99120106019 <Tyranids plastic box code> £30.00 / US$49.50 / 39,00€ / Oz$83.00

We don't know what's what... but I'm guessing the $50 box is the Trygon.

Rather cheap.. for a tyrgon!

Does anyone know how strong tygon is.. in FW rules wise?

RogueMarket wrote:Rather cheap.. for a tyrgon!

Does anyone know how strong tygon is.. in FW rules wise?

I've faced them in a couple of apocalypse games and because it can't assault the turn that it arrives(although we may have been playing that incorrectly), it can be taken down by alot of shooting. Now I'm guessing if they put it in the codex they will alter it's rules somewhat, but it currently only has a rather weak ranged attack so it really needs to get into assault. I've yet to see that happen.

It has a 6+ invulnerable save. From that alone you can tell that the entire rule set for it is soft-balled.

I've heard some pretty insane rumors on warseer.

Something about OldOneEye coming back and allowing you to take 1 Canifex for every troop choice unit would be insane!

And RedTerror allow Raveners as troops....

Something about OldOneEye coming back and allowing you to take 1 Canifex for every troop choice unit would be insane!

That would be good.
Nidzilla with 6 Carnifexes would necessitate 6 troop units.

Nidzilla with 6 Carnifexes would necessitate 6 troop units.

people at my flgs hate it when i use 3. They're going to hate me.

There's stuff on that list with 6 wounds. That alone makes me think that this isn't a legit list. All the "alpha" variants like in Dawn of War 2 make me think similarly. Also, weren't Heirodules completely invalidated by Carnifexes?

I am inclined to severely disbelieve the second part of that rumour. Therefore it must be fair game as far as GW is concerned.

RogueMarket wrote:Rather cheap.. for a tyrgon!

consideing a FW baneblade = £ 146.80 and a GW one is £60 (which is roughly 40% of the orginal price) then it would make sense for the GW trygon to be either the £27 or the £30 box

There's not much more plastic in a trygon than there is in a carnifex box by my reckoning.
Think of all of the extra weapons/biomorphs etc.
£30 sounds about right. I'll buy 2.

Trygons are smaller than land raiders, valkyries, or monoliths. 50 bucks seems appropriate.

Also, about the "killyness" of trygons: they're a step between fexes and tyrants statwise. The only thing that makes them superheavy-worthy is the gargantuan creature rule, just like removing the flier rule makes valkyries rather tame in regular games.

Gargantuan creature is a bit of a two edged sword. In close combat with almost everyone near you, but may always be shot... and I think there is some special attack. The first two bits can be covered with additional rules... and mass points are just a fancy way of saying uber wounds, which can be replaced with no insta-kill and a lot of normal wounds.

Its like the land raider, monoliths, and Valkyrie, they straddle the line of scales and scope and could be justified either as big vehicle or small superheavies; the trygon, ig monstrous creature or small gargantuan creature.

aka_mythos wrote:Scryer in the Dark added prices and price codes to the Warseer summary:

Scryer in the Dark wrote:
99110106063 <Tyranids metal box code> £18.00 / US$33.00 / 26,00€ / Oz$55.00
99060106064 <Tyranids metal blister code> £10.00 / US$16.50 / 13,00€ / Oz$28.00
99120106016 <Tyranids plastic box code> £27.00 / US$44.50 / 35,00€ / Oz$74.00
99120106018 <Tyranids plastic box code> £18.00 / US$29.00 / 22,75€ / Oz$48.00
99120106019 <Tyranids plastic box code> £30.00 / US$49.50 / 39,00€ / Oz$83.00

We don't know what's what... but I'm guessing the $50 box is the Trygon.

If I had to guess:
£18 metal box: No idea
£10 metal blister: New biovore?
£27 plastic box: Raveners?
£18 plastic box: Gargoyles?
£30 plastic box: Trygon/Malanthrope?

Looking forward to the release; I'm just starting 'Nids now, so I'm playing it safe with what I buy (if I need to remodel, I can always 'counts as', I guess).

Neith wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:Scryer in the Dark added prices and price codes to the Warseer summary:

Scryer in the Dark wrote:
99110106063 <Tyranids metal box code> £18.00 / US$33.00 / 26,00€ / Oz$55.00
99060106064 <Tyranids metal blister code> £10.00 / US$16.50 / 13,00€ / Oz$28.00
99120106016 <Tyranids plastic box code> £27.00 / US$44.50 / 35,00€ / Oz$74.00
99120106018 <Tyranids plastic box code> £18.00 / US$29.00 / 22,75€ / Oz$48.00
99120106019 <Tyranids plastic box code> £30.00 / US$49.50 / 39,00€ / Oz$83.00

We don't know what's what... but I'm guessing the $50 box is the Trygon.

If I had to guess:
£18 metal box: No idea
£10 metal blister: New biovore?
£27 plastic box: Raveners?
£18 plastic box: Gargoyles?
£30 plastic box: Trygon/Malanthrope?

Looking forward to the release; I'm just starting 'Nids now, so I'm playing it safe with what I buy (if I need to remodel, I can always 'counts as', I guess).

This looks fun... lemme try!

$33.00 metal box- Current biovore is a $29 box... Nothing else fits the description except a larger, all metal kit. That would be awful. Here are the goalposts. It is more expensive than a bloodcrusher, and less expensive than the metal hive tyrant. I wish it weren't true, but that is very likely a big biovore and some metal spore mines.

$16.50 metal blister- Ok, this is a SMALL model. EVERY metal blister in the current nid range is over $20 dollars. This isn't the broodlord, it isn't a lictor, it isn't a zoanthrope. Sadly, this is either a 25MM based metal infantry model, or its a blister pack with 6 metal spore mines in it.

$44.50 plastic box- GW could be trying to get $44 bucks for 3 raveners from us. The goal posts for this price point are. More expensive than any infantry box, A little bit less than even the cheapest large monster kit. More than a razorback, much less than a land raider. It is the exact same cost as 3 space marine bikes, but $9 more than three warriors. This might just be a rotten price gouge.

$29.00 plastic box- This smells like 8 25mm based plastic models. 5 of the large and quite detailed Stormboys are $25. Here is to hoping that this is 8 gargoyles.

$49.50 plastic box- This isn't the trygon. Trygon is $58.00 if and when it comes out. It doesn't matter how much plastic it actually contains, GW knows it can get valkyrie pricing for it, and by the looks of all the rising costs of other models, they aren't going to offer some kind of deal for the trygon. The $50 goal post is simple. Hellhounds are $50, the new leman russ is $50. This could very well be a plastic hive tyrant. I will not declare plastic tyrant for sure, because in looking at the arbitrary price tag of $50 for 5 terminators, I could see GW having the gall to charge something like this for a box of 3-4 raveners.

Does anyone think that they'd redo the biovore? It seems like a pretty new sculpt.

Warmaster Primus wrote:Does anyone think that they'd redo the biovore? It seems like a pretty new sculpt.

Possibly , they keep redoing lictors and biovores and they always look ugly -_-

Warmaster Primus wrote:Does anyone think that they'd redo the biovore? It seems like a pretty new sculpt.

I don't think so. i quite like the sculpt, and it was released when cities of death was released so it isn't that old. This metal box set could also be one of the "new" unit types bragged about but not clarified by Phil Kelly at UKGD.

Shep wrote:

Neith wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:Scryer in the Dark added prices and price codes to the Warseer summary:

Scryer in the Dark wrote:
99110106063 <Tyranids metal box code> £18.00 / US$33.00 / 26,00€ / Oz$55.00
99060106064 <Tyranids metal blister code> £10.00 / US$16.50 / 13,00€ / Oz$28.00
99120106016 <Tyranids plastic box code> £27.00 / US$44.50 / 35,00€ / Oz$74.00
99120106018 <Tyranids plastic box code> £18.00 / US$29.00 / 22,75€ / Oz$48.00
99120106019 <Tyranids plastic box code> £30.00 / US$49.50 / 39,00€ / Oz$83.00

We don't know what's what... but I'm guessing the $50 box is the Trygon.

If I had to guess:
£18 metal box: No idea
£10 metal blister: New biovore?
£27 plastic box: Raveners?
£18 plastic box: Gargoyles?
£30 plastic box: Trygon/Malanthrope?

Looking forward to the release; I'm just starting 'Nids now, so I'm playing it safe with what I buy (if I need to remodel, I can always 'counts as', I guess).

This looks fun... lemme try!

$33.00 metal box- Current biovore is a $29 box... Nothing else fits the description except a larger, all metal kit. That would be awful. Here are the goalposts. It is more expensive than a bloodcrusher, and less expensive than the metal hive tyrant. I wish it weren't true, but that is very likely a big biovore and some metal spore mines.

$16.50 metal blister- Ok, this is a SMALL model. EVERY metal blister in the current nid range is over $20 dollars. This isn't the broodlord, it isn't a lictor, it isn't a zoanthrope. Sadly, this is either a 25MM based metal infantry model, or its a blister pack with 6 metal spore mines in it.

$44.50 plastic box- GW could be trying to get $44 bucks for 3 raveners from us. The goal posts for this price point are. More expensive than any infantry box, A little bit less than even the cheapest large monster kit. More than a razorback, much less than a land raider. It is the exact same cost as 3 space marine bikes, but $9 more than three warriors. This might just be a rotten price gouge.

$29.00 plastic box- This smells like 8 25mm based plastic models. 5 of the large and quite detailed Stormboys are $25. Here is to hoping that this is 8 gargoyles.

$49.50 plastic box- This isn't the trygon. Trygon is $58.00 if and when it comes out. It doesn't matter how much plastic it actually contains, GW knows it can get valkyrie pricing for it, and by the looks of all the rising costs of other models, they aren't going to offer some kind of deal for the trygon. The $50 goal post is simple. Hellhounds are $50, the new leman russ is $50. This could very well be a plastic hive tyrant. I will not declare plastic tyrant for sure, because in looking at the arbitrary price tag of $50 for 5 terminators, I could see GW having the gall to charge something like this for a box of 3-4 raveners.

My turn!

$33 Metal Box- Biovore with spore mines, Red Terror, possibly lictor or Zoanthrope

$16 Blister- Either a broodlord or Genestealer Magus, or spore mine pack

$45 Plastic Box- Could be Ravenors, Warriors, or large gaunts box

$29 Plastic Box- Could be Gargoyles, maybe recut warriors or some ravenors.

$50 Plastic Box- Could be a Trygon. Similar price to a carnifex, probably both involveing similar amounts of plastic. Could be a plastic
Tyrant/Flyrant.

After all, even if these are real prices, they are subject to change.

I'm of the opinion that they have yet to make a decent Biovore model. Although they've been getting more detailed, they've been getting uglier and uglier with each decision. The designs in the last batch of concept art got us so excited just to have us all shocked when the new biovores came out.

Well raveners are no longer available from GW online, so they are being resculpted. Biovores however are not sadly. As for the other kits and blisters, no idea for only time, the GW staff and a squid named Bertie can tell.

Tim the Biovore wrote:Well raveners are no longer available from GW online, so they are being resculpted. Biovores however are not sadly. As for the other kits and blisters, no idea for only time, the GW staff and a squid named Bernie can tell.

which country? They are still on the US site.

Australia. But I now think it's a mistake. I just searched them and it said Tyranids showing 2 of 2 with nothing up.

I agree with Shep. I doubt they price a Trygon at $50 when they could easily get $60, and given the price of the existing FW model (which people are obviously willing to pay). It'd be great for customers if true, but it'd be some bad pricing work on the part of GW's marketers.

I tend to think the $50 box is the Raveners. Unless it's the Malanthrope...that could fit in at about that range, but we've had zero buzz about it getting a plastic kit in the first wave. Could the next most expensive box be Warrior recuts? There's been rumors about some kind of Biovore variant...wonder if that's the $33 box?

I have a feeling we're going to get some sticker shock when things are revealed. I just did an inventory last night of my unpainted Tyranid stuff, and I basically have a second army's worth. Given that I already have a ton of painted stuff, I think I'm actually in good shape to "weather" the new codex without dropping too much $$$. I'll probably get sucked in by new Raveners (assuming the rules are decent). I already have a FW Trygon, so I'm set there if that's in the book. The Malanthrope makes me worry a little, LOL. Don't really look forward to throwing another $60-70 FW's way...