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They'll face the same problems from mechanized, or just plain fast, armies that Space Marine Drop armies face but even worse. At least Space Marines can drop and create fire-zones with the free time afforded them by an army that starts entirely in reserve.

Hollismason:

Yes, they have. If you look around there's a page on Biovores that's been scanned and it mentions that Spore Mines do not give away kill points.

I am really happy to see swarms coming back. I always used to play at my local shop with as many models I could fit in whatever the point value was. I felt cheated when I didn't fill up every slot in the FOC. Hormagaunts look awesome again. I never used to take them because they'd always outrun my synapse unless I made them really expensive and gave them wings or something. Spine gaunts look like they got a strength boost too, I saw S4 somewhere?

The Trygons look AMAZING! I'll take the Mawlocks and burrow up under some position, eat some folks then bring in the 9 Raveners I've had for a while now. I really like the idea of having TONS of broodlords in genestealer units. I am also glad to see they're making lictors better, they were always my favorite even if they couldn't even enter the game very well... oh, you have to deep strike into terrain but if you hit the wall of a building or something you die...

I guess I'm fortunate that I never got into the Nidzilla scene, because my army is still entirely playable. As with any army, if you make it mostly out of troops insteady of HQ/Heavy/Elite your army won't change much from edition to edition. This book is not overpowered and looks like tons of fun. Hopefully they'll get away from Demon/Space Wolf codexes in the future and gradually bring down the power level of Codexes.

Should be fun when the book comes out

Lyracian wrote:

Alex Kolodotschko wrote:Or use these rather amazing things from megabloks!

Yes. I have just ordered a couple off EvilBay. When painted they will be great.

What are these things from Megabloks called exactly (i.e., what should I be searching for)?

Mega Bloks, Plasma Hatchers.
They each come with an egg like this but the one called Sharka has a slightly more tyranid looking beast inside it.
He/she might be of more use for terrain/conversions than than the others fwiw?

Here's a link to some tyranid terrain that I made using these 'eggs'. It showns how they look painted up......
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/259451.page

Seeing as im not too great on reading thru the whole thread could someone answer this one question:

Is the venomthrope a tyranid KFF?

hollismason wrote:Anyone know if they cleared up spore mines giving away victory points?

Yes, per the Biovore entry spore mines do not count towrds mission objectives: Can't cotest objectives and no KP. Isn't that grand

Hold on a second.

I’ve been trying to follow the Codex rumor threads and I think I’m getting a bit lost. Some folks seem to be thinking that the swarm style army is back but considering the plethora of MC’s in every force org section and broods of Carnifexs (sp?) it looks to me like the Nidzilla list is stronger than ever.

Am I missing something here?

Nice idae about drop pods was thinging about useing bits from the fex kits i get to make the tryfex thing
i just one question does anyone know how to make good looking wings for that sporing thing ???
am liking the fact fexs are more c&c i have 2 fexs with crushing clws and talons

voidfiend wrote:
Hold on a second.

I’ve been trying to follow the Codex rumor threads and I think I’m getting a bit lost. Some folks seem to be thinking that the swarm style army is back but considering the plethora of MC’s in every force org section and broods of Carnifexs (sp?) it looks to me like the Nidzilla list is stronger than ever.

Am I missing something here?

No you're pretty much dead on, but simultaneously theyve made swarm good again, with cheap neverending tides of troops and mcs that literally crap them out. I personally think the 'mixed bag' is gonna come back better than ever, which is kinda what i was running in 4th but then it leaned into a nidzilla army. I placed high in a bunch of gts and killed lots of things, and the rest is history...

Now i own 20+ carnifexes from tournament winnings and gifts, and I'll probably never use them this ed. if this 200 pt thing is true. they WERE 85 and just good, now they'll be 170 or whatever and completely nerfbatted back into the closet. Oh well, thats why i invested in 30+ boxes of gaunts over the last 4 years. Just so when it became good to run like 200 hormagaunts or termagaunts, Id be ready.

Now I'm ready

Oldone, could you PLEASE do a little spell checking before tossing out posts? There's a spell checker built into the forum, so you don't even have to do anything other than change the words with squiggly lines under them. Also, please try to spell units' names correctly. If you don't know how to spell them, look them up.

I’ve been trying to follow the Codex rumor threads and I think I’m getting a bit lost. Some folks seem to be thinking that the swarm style army is back but considering the plethora of MC’s in every force org section and broods of Carnifexs (sp?) it looks to me like the Nidzilla list is stronger than ever.

Am I missing something here?

The problem is that monstrous creatures seem to have gotten a gigantic (monstrous, even) price hike. Yeah, you can technically field more of them in a standard FOC, but it's going to run you 4500 points.

I hope that means we'll see combined lists. Because really those are the coolest looking and the most fun to fight.

Nurglitch wrote:They'll face the same problems from mechanized, or just plain fast, armies that Space Marine Drop armies face but even worse. At least Space Marines can drop and create fire-zones with the free time afforded them by an army that starts entirely in reserve.

Good point to consider. We don't know the rules for the Spore Pods yet; maybe they will have an early reserve rule like SM drop pods or Ceamons. If not, then having your forces arriving both at random and late in the game wound not be the best tactic. I personally see the Spore Pods as allowing a nid player to field 1-2 units that can drop in, rather than an all or nothing DS task force.


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Alex Kolodotschko wrote:Mega Bloks, Plasma Hatchers.
They each come with an egg like this but the one called Sharka has a slightly more tyranid looking beast inside it.
He/she might be of more use for terrain/conversions than than the others fwiw?

Here's a link to some tyranid terrain that I made using these 'eggs'. It showns how they look painted up......
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/259451.page

Heah Alex, your avatar rocks and your conversion idea is even better. Thanks for the tip

Hollismason wrote:


Anyone know if they cleared up spore mines giving away victory points?

yes, it specifically states that they are different units, but they do not count toward objective holding or as kill points.

HoverBoy wrote:Seeing as im not too great on reading thru the whole thread could someone answer this one question:

Is the venomthrope a tyranid KFF?

According to the rumors yes; in addition to the 5+ cover save for units within 6", it also grants defense grenades. Not sure if the cover save will benefit MC though as they have that pesky 50% rule similar to vehicles.

There is also some mention of enemy units that assault (them?) having to make dangerous terrain tests. In that regards, are they refering to the venomthrope itself or to the nearby nid units that are under its effects?

Finally, when in CC with an enemy unit, venethropes supposedly reduce the enemy unit's Initiative to 1, a great support ability for combi-charges. My question is do they have fleet so that they will be able to get into the action when your first wave hits the gunline?

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Hollismason wrote:Anyone know if they cleared up spore mines giving away victory points?

Nurglitch wrote:Yes, they have. If you look around there's a page on Biovores that's been scanned and it mentions that Spore Mines do not give away kill points.

wyomingfox wrote:Yes, per the Biovore entry spore mines do not count towrds mission objectives: Can't cotest objectives and no KP. Isn't that grand

Sneezypanda wrote:yes, it specifically states that they are different units, but they do not count toward objective holding or as kill points.

I feel another "Litko Airlite Space Corridors and Industrial Towers" type meme coming on

warpcrafter wrote:I never thought I would see the day. I can barely tell the difference between the level of knee-jerking and hair-pulling and teeth-gnashing between Dakka and Warseer. I'm tempted to just boycott the fething internet.

That is always an option!

Fateweaver wrote:'Tis strange indeed. Normally I go to 'Seer to relax and calm down after being over here. Now I think after I leave here and go to 'Seer before I catch some zzzzz's I'll be cursing the Interwebs and 40K in general.

The gnashing of teeth over there is worst than it was with the CSM codex, and contrary to a few posters that is hated as much by 'Seer as it is by Dakka.

Have to disagree on that one.

Disagree in a large way.

Still, it is all a matter of opinion.

I'm looking forward to learning what the disadvantages are going to be...

I agree with Alpharius on this one...so strongly that if they sold a "I agree with Alpharious" shirt, I would buy one.

Railguns wrote:I wonder why crushing claws required the I nerf. If they simple add D3 attacks rather than replace the 4 base attacks with d6 like the old ones would have, it would be a better buy immediately. But if a carnifex is already I1 still, then why should it even have a I nerf unless there is some sort of I boost the fex can get somehow.

No I'm pretty sure the crusher claws will be dreadnought cc equivalents. With 2 DN CC you got the S increase + d3 A and the I nerf. There just hasn't been any conformation on the strength portion.

First off i am sorry for my spelling i am relly bad at english. i didn't no there was an spell checker thanks for telling me how do you use it

I am curious too? I don't see this option.

Me neither.

Spell checking is an option that Google's chrome and Mozilla Firefox support. If you are using another browser; you won't see the red squiggly line telling you the correct word to use.

Note the Chrome / Firefox "dictionary" feature is independent of websites, and has a slight lag to it; so if you are intent on throwing your idea to the winds of the forum without pausing; even if you are using Firefox, chances are the Dictionary feature won't work well for you.

If the fex is strength 9, then it would be silly to have a DCCW upgrade. If he were S6, then it would make more sense, but I would be very sad.

All I know is I want Crushing Claws on my Carnifexes. Not because it would be necessarily effective (i don't know one way or another right now) but because it would be Cool. I'm just trying to decide if I want a Venom Cannon or Barbed Strangler on him now, what with I guess a higher BS and Venom Cannons going to blast weapons as well.

Well, CC and Talons would be 8 attacks on the charge rerolling 1's.

Or take 4 Talons, adrenal glands for I4 on the charge with 5 attacks rerolling all.

Or mix shooty and assaulty but to me that's silly.

I never got into nidzilla, all my army lists are dominated by gaunts (120 of them) warriors (18 of them), a non flying tyrant and as many genestealers as I could fit. I called it my my space crusade throw back.

I am not hurt by anything but the loss of EW. I did okay with out it, but I excelled with it.

I do have a single carnifex, but I have 3 of the old screamer killers, I never got one of the ugly smiling crab ones.

My Carnifex always has and always will have his set of scythes, and.................. Crushing Claws!!

I love this new book, just more to add. I learned to win by tactics, manuvering and good luck, never ever nidzilla and flyrants.

Good times for me. Damn shame about my warriors though, and my spinegaunts, but them be small bumps. Hell, maybe even use raveners to disrupt again.

Or mix shooty and assaulty but to me that's silly.

I dunno, the new carnifex is not like the old. You are getting 4 base attacks, BS3 and a 12" ranged plasma cannon bundled. I could see adding a 2nd shooting attack for a spore poding carnifex (depending on cost and efficiency, neither of which is known at this time).

The change to the base attacks of the MCs and how the biomorphs work are pretty big changes. I'm also really digging the idea of rerolling all misses against vehicles (and I seriously hope the wording is not at all like preferred enemy).

H.B.M.C. wrote:Is anyone really surprised that all their effective units (Dakkafexes, Winged Tyrants w/Devourers) are being made useless?

Really? That surprises people these days?

I have yet to see how winged Hive Tyrants are being made useless.

Currently I set mine up for around 200 points, but in the new dex the same cost will get me better WS, I and re-rolls on to hit! My biggest problem with the damn thing is I'd go charge into combat and end up with 2 hits, which really killed the capability of him. Also, 2 free psychic powers. I have no problem life leeching and charging units. Then there is the rumored 'ward' save? 5+ i? Now I don't have to spend 40 points on warp field...

I think the 5+ ward save has been debunked as a false rumor, and I believe the cost of wings is going up to about 60 points or so (was stated to be 'the cost of 12 spinefist gaunts' over on warseer). I don't believe the flying tyrant will be an automatic choice, but I'd imagine that it should still have some usability in the new dex, even if nerfed a bit.

I'm holding out to see the dex for myself before I make any assumptions about any units being OP'd or useless.

FoolWhip wrote:

I have yet to see how winged Hive Tyrants are being made useless.

This really has nothing to do with a codex but with how 5th edition itself took away a Flying MC ability to hide from incoming fire, you know, the kind of dakka that single, lone Flyrant tends to draw. Ceamons is a bit of a differnce given that you can spam Flying MC between Deamon Princes and Blood Thirsters and that Deamons have a tendency to drop in on you in mass.

But who knows, given rumors of other flying MC and the possibilty of no more limits on Flyrants, you might see them make a come back.

But who knows, given rumors of other flying MC and the possibilty of no more limits on Flyrants, you might see them make a come back.

Yeah the harpy is an intriguing model and I am curious what rules it will sport. Jetbike? Jumpack? Wonder if the Harpy can get some anti-tank firepower (twin linked or two shot VC upgrade perhaps?)

Seems like a speedy MC army is doable. 2x Flyrants, 2+ trygons and 2+ Harpies depending on points. Fill in rest of points in scoring units of choice as the mop up crew.