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Ermm well you could use our heads for the YMgarl variants

Is anyone really surprised that all their effective units (Dakkafexes, Winged Tyrants w/Devourers) are being made useless?

Really? That surprises people these days?

I'm not surprised, I'm just not entirely happy. I used to love my dakka...now it's gone.

Lukus83 wrote:I used to love my dakka...now it's gone.

Perfect lyrics for a country song!

well, i would like to think they would keeo the spine fist the cheap alternative. but apparently they are taking the old codex, throwing it out the window and doing whatever they want.

Sneezypanda wrote:well, i would like to think they would keeo the spine fist the cheap alternative. but apparently they are taking the old codex, throwing it out the window and doing whatever they want.

Well that's because Arby is writing it. His design methodology is essentially "Change everything, no matter how minor".

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Sneezypanda wrote:well, i would like to think they would keeo the spine fist the cheap alternative. but apparently they are taking the old codex, throwing it out the window and doing whatever they want.

Well that's because Arby is writing it. His design methodology is essentially "Change everything, no matter how minor".

Yeah, precedent has little to no impact on what's going to be useful or even existent. (Tangentially, this all just makes me really hope that Phil is still around when the Eldar get a redo. Arby getting his mitts on the spacelves would be a travesty).

So even if a Spinegaunt ends up more expensive- say, 6 points- I wonder if it will be worth it to take spinefists over fleshborers. I mainly use the current ones to tarpit and I just ignore the weaponry... but with S4 18" twin-linked, that could change.

I guess the questions is: would the average one round or so of shooting per game be worth 20 extra points per squad? If they have a special weapon in the brood (the flamer thingy or whatever), that could tip the balance towards investing in shooting too.

Hmmm. Advice needed.

I never thought I would see the day. I can barely tell the difference between the level of knee-jerking and hair-pulling and teeth-gnashing between Dakka and Warseer. I'm tempted to just boycott the fething internet.

'Tis strange indeed. Normally I go to 'Seer to relax and calm down after being over here. Now I think after I leave here and go to 'Seer before I catch some zzzzz's I'll be cursing the Interwebs and 40K in general.

The gnashing of teeth over there is worst than it was with the CSM codex, and contrary to a few posters that is hated as much by 'Seer as it is by Dakka.

I think the current Devourers and Dakka `Fexes were much better than anticipated, and would be more surprised if they had not been changed.

The Hive Tyrant is a good bit harder now with psychic powers and upped stats. If wings were cheaper, that could mean a no-brainer. I prefer a bit overcosted personally.

@Savnock: I think feeder tendrils are out. Except for the Ymgarl-Stealers.

@wyomingfux: Thanks for clearing the regeneration thing up. So apparently nothing has changed. Sadly you cannot up the wounds on a carnifex, so I think regeneration will only see the day on a trygon.

Greets
Schepp himself

Im curious, is there any artwork on the codex for the new drop spore? How much do they cost?

I'll wait to see this army in the field before I make any judgements, but it seems to be one of the most drastic departures from a previous codex ever. It'll be fun watching the scramble to find the best builds. My hope is that a balanced combined force works well, because that is the nicest looking nid force on the table.

Schepp himself wrote:@Savnock: I think feeder tendrils are out. Except for the Ymgarl-Stealers.

I don't think they would get rid of something that's part of the sprue. Unless you have to use the same sprue for ymgarl stealers as well.

Klawz wrote:

Schepp himself wrote:@Savnock: I think feeder tendrils are out. Except for the Ymgarl-Stealers.

I don't think they would get rid of something that's part of the spruce. Unless you have to use the same spruce for ymgarl stealers as well.

The word is sprue. plural sprues.

skrulnik wrote:

Klawz wrote:

Schepp himself wrote:@Savnock: I think feeder tendrils are out. Except for the Ymgarl-Stealers.

I don't think they would get rid of something that's part of the spruce. Unless you have to use the same spruce for ymgarl stealers as well.

The word is sprue. plural sprues.

Thank you for the correction.

Da Boss wrote:I'll wait to see this army in the field before I make any judgements, but it seems to be one of the most drastic departures from a previous codex ever. It'll be fun watching the scramble to find the best builds.

This.

I'm not angry with the way things are panning out. I'm just worried that the whole overhaul might be a little too far. There wasn't a need for a complete re-do of the 'dex. A few points values adjusted, a few special rules worked through and the codex could have been compatible for 5th.

Of course I'm excited too...it feels like Christmas...oh wait. Well I'm excited about that too. What I really mean to say is that there are a lot of changes that we will have to get used to and I'm feeling a mixture of dread and excitement...does that make any sense?

Trygon and ravener assembly guide pics here:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/300/268741.page

Sneezypanda wrote:uggghhhhh, well there goes my warrior setup. in some cases i'm sure its better, but i like scattering :(

Note this could easily be wrong given how many contradictions we've had in these rumors. I'm just passing along a different rumor from another place.

Regarding the new approach, I was the one screaming for it to be blown up. I really wanted to see it return to the "fast and deadly army of predators" concept, but obviously they took more of a "cannon fodder with Toho monsters" approach. Ah, well. I'll deal. Truthfully, it's such a dramatic overhaul that I don't know that any of us will be really qualified to judge it for a while.

There are army concepts I like...namely, spore pods and deep strikers combined with spore mine clusters. But it's kinda hard to say how that would really play out.

I'm planning to give them a try at a small tourney coming up in late January and a larger one in late February. The first one will probably be a cobbled-together list based on my existing stuff, but I hope to give pods and such a try at the later tourney. I don't really like writing battle reports, but I'll try to post some kind of report on my experiences and findings afterward. I'm sure we can figure out some competitive builds.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Is anyone really surprised that all their effective units (Dakkafexes, Winged Tyrants w/Devourers) are being made useless?

Really? That surprises people these days?

Your comment surprises me...do people still use Flyrants?

I think, instead of the ol' proxy-drop-pods-with-soda-cans routine, we should all use heads of lettuce.

That is all.

skrulnik wrote:The word is sprue. plural sprues.

Thank you. That misspelling annoys me more than people talking about Blood Angles.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Is anyone really surprised that all their effective units (Dakkafexes, Winged Tyrants w/Devourers) are being made useless?

Really? That surprises people these days?

To be fair, it was always a toss up between the CC Tyrant and the Dakka Tyrant. Having gone to Adepticon when Nidzilla dominated the scene, I rarely saw an abundance of one or the other.

And the Dakkafex, was just to good in comparison to the other options.

So you are right, we shouldn't be surprised.

I am actually a fan of Mr. Cruddace. He may make a lot of changes to codexes, but his books have been pretty balanced on unit choices and the army plays like it's supposed to. The IG are sitting on probably the best dex they ever had outside of second edition, and they Tyranids look like they are bringing swarms and close combat monstrous creatures back, the way they where always supposed to be. The new codex also looks to be a converter's wet dream.

ForceVoid wrote:I think, instead of the ol' proxy-drop-pods-with-soda-cans routine, we should all use heads of lettuce.

That is all.

At dinner last night, my father and I debated the usefulness of various plants as spore pods. I championed the "spud pod", whereas he thought an eggplant pod would do better.

Or use these rather amazing things from megabloks!

How about the carrot of doom?

Alex Kolodotschko wrote:Or use these rather amazing things from megabloks!

Yes. I have just ordered a couple off EvilBay. When painted they will be great.

I am kind of curious more and more about the special ability the broodlord gets that lowers leadership as well as what exactly the point cost on genestealers is .

People keep saying oh they are cheaper than greyhunter but greyhunters are 15 points so how much cheaper 12 points?

Mahu wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Is anyone really surprised that all their effective units (Dakkafexes, Winged Tyrants w/Devourers) are being made useless?

Really? That surprises people these days?

To be fair, it was always a toss up between the CC Tyrant and the Dakka Tyrant. Having gone to Adepticon when Nidzilla dominated the scene, I rarely saw an abundance of one or the other.

And the Dakkafex, was just to good in comparison to the other options.

So you are right, we shouldn't be surprised.

I am actually a fan of Mr. Cruddace. He may make a lot of changes to codexes, but his books have been pretty balanced on unit choices and the army plays like it's supposed to. The IG are sitting on probably the best dex they ever had outside of second edition, and they Tyranids look like they are bringing swarms and close combat monstrous creatures back, the way they where always supposed to be. The new codex also looks to be a converter's wet dream.

i'm new to competitive play and tryanids, so i presume tournament players used broodlords instead?

They seem to really be pushing the deepstriking tactic with all the special abilities etc..


I completely see a 9 Lictor , 80 man drop podding , Ravener, Mawloc army dominating.

Thats just from what I have read.


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Anyone know if they cleared up spore mines giving away victory points?