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So do Tau have 100 worlds or 12? I've heard both.

BaronIveagh wrote:

You really need to work on reading comprehension.

'According to the map in 40k 5E'. Pick up the 5th Edition 40k rulebook and page back to the fluff part of the book, in the section on the Tau, and look at the map.

I don't.

You seem to.
5th ed rulebook shows nice icons. Still does not disassemble these into sun, planet a,b,c,etc.
But the Tau codex tells us these names right there on the rulebook map belong to planets.
I just take it as is, if we know 1 planet we don't know if its a lonely one or has 1 or more inhabitable planets in this system of at least
1 planet and a sun.

BaronIveagh wrote:
Well, we've only sited... pretty much all of the rulebook fluff, BL novels, rulebook crunch...

I see. You believe you cited somthing somewhere and I have to search it.....
Too bad I am not willing to browse the whole interwebz to find it. So at which site and thread was this again?

Brother Coa wrote:Wit so many Commisars? I don't think so...
And don't use Taros please. Taros is a peace of C*** that was given to the Tau to have at least 1 victory over Imperium.

Sure, we'll take away what little fluff is available so you can conveniently win the argument.

uhhhh. no.

iproxtaco wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:
The Tau Empire is 1:10,000 the size of the IoM

Don't talk nonsense please... We don't even know how big Imperial territory is in Light Years. It may be that Imoerium vs. Tau ration in territory is up to 100,000:1.
Tell me where it says that Tau Empire is 1:10,00 when compared toward IoM?

The fact that Tau have about 100 worlds, and the Imperium has about a 1,000,000, therefore, the Tau is 1:10,000 the size of the Imperium. In population the ratio is even bigger, as few Tau worlds are densely populated, and even then they are nothing compared to an average Imperial civilised world.

I am not talking about worlds, but number of Light Years when it comes to territory...
But never mind, there is nowhere even a mention of that...

iproxtaco wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:
Except it would take decades and consume massive resources they don't have, plus 40% of the troops would desert and joint the Tau.

The ratio of kill:wounded:deserted on taros was 10:15:20

Don't just pull numbers out of the air. Where in IA does it give you those numbers?

Page 129.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:So do Tau have 100 worlds or 12? I've heard both.

It's around 100.

I will say no more, as I have been a tad hypocritical.

agnosto wrote:
Sure, we'll take away what little fluff is available so you can conveniently win the argument.

uhhhh. no.

Nimbosa
Zeist
Kronus
Kaurava
Targa
Gravalax
Lagan

uhhhh. YES.

Brother Coa wrote:
I am not talking about worlds, but number of Light Years when it comes to territory...
But never mind, there is nowhere even a mention of that...

The number of worlds is in the Tau codex where it also mentions that the number of habitable planets within that section of space is higher than in the rest of the galaxy. One may extrapolate from this that though the area of space controlled is small, the number of worlds under tau control is fairly high, offsetting it a bit. Still nowhere near the "millions" that the IoM controls.




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Brother Coa wrote:

agnosto wrote:
Sure, we'll take away what little fluff is available so you can conveniently win the argument.

uhhhh. no.

Nimbosa
Zeist
Kronus
Kaurava
Targa
Gravalax
Lagan

uhhhh. YES.

None of which are dealt with in nearly as much detail as Taros.

Nerivant wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:So do Tau have 100 worlds or 12? I've heard both.

It's around 100.

On a map?
In a codex?

Maybe a source would help those who ask for it.

Secondly, could we please get of this idea of engagements in 40k happening in a vaccuum?
The nids will not stop eating their way through the eastern fringe.
Orks will pop up wherever a fight gets big enough to warrant attention.
Necrons may be stirred up by the noise.
DE come to grab some slaves ( from both parties obviously )
Eldar may care or not.

Thus every defender in this galaxy has to deal with more than just 1 attacker.
To redirect everything against the BT won't end well...

agnosto wrote:
Nimbosa
Zeist
Kronus
Kaurava
Targa
Gravalax
Lagan

uhhhh. YES.

None of which are dealt with in nearly as much detail as Taros.

Still, that's 7:2 for the Imperium

Brother Coa wrote:

agnosto wrote:
Nimbosa
Zeist
Kronus
Kaurava
Targa
Gravalax
Lagan

uhhhh. YES.

None of which are dealt with in nearly as much detail as Taros.

Still, that's 7:2 for the Imperium

What's yer point? The blood angels trying to make their necron boyfriends jealous?

iproxtaco wrote:Wait, 6000 Space Marines are equal to 72000 Guardsmen? Since when was a single chapter worth less than the average regiment? Never, a single chapter is worth about 50 regiments.

One Space Marine is stated to be the equal of around twelve Guardsmen in capability. That means that a chapter is only around twice the strength of the average Black Library regiment, and around half that of a Codex: IG regiment. It also means the total strength of all the Space Marines together works out to under a millionth that of the Guard as a whole, seeing as how they're outnumbered by somewhere between ten million and thirty million to one...

1hadhq wrote:

Nerivant wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:So do Tau have 100 worlds or 12? I've heard both.

It's around 100.

On a map?
In a codex?

Maybe a source would help those who ask for it.

IA3, page 8.

Number of worlds:

Codex: Tau Empire, page 10

The Tau empire encompasses a dense yet astrographically small area of space. Many hundreds of star systems exist within this region, and an unusually high proportion harbour an environment conducive to life. As the Tau steadily expand the borders of their empire, they continue to encounter other races. The empire now encompasses over twenty septs - fully developed Tau systems -and a large number of vassal alien homeworlds. The population of these worlds are fully integrated in to the empire, each striving towards the Greater Good.

So, 20 septs.

Codex: Tau Empire, page 4

Though not extensive, it encompasses a region of space some three hundred light years in diameter, with the Tau homeworld at its center, and just over a hundred settled worlds.

Bam!

agnosto wrote:

Codex: Tau Empire, page 4

Though not extensive, it encompasses a region of space some three hundred light years in diameter, with the Tau homeworld at its center, and just over a hundered settled worlds.

Bam!

HA! I haven't read those headers in so long, I forgot they mentioned that.

I dug through a box to find IA3 when I could have used the Codex on the desk next to me.

The Tau wear boots.

So then Tau sector is 100 worlds but the Tau themselves are only on about 12.

Nerivant wrote:
IA3, page 8.

Youre fast.
Prefer the example of the next post ( since GW stopped selling IA directly at IA 2 in some countries and began at IA 9 again to...).

agnosto wrote:Number of worlds:

Codex: Tau Empire, page 10

The Tau empire encompasses a dense yet astrographically small area of space. Many hundreds of star systems exist within this region, and an unusually high proportion harbour an environment conducive to life. As the Tau steadily expand the borders of their empire, they continue to encounter other races. The empire now encompasses over twenty septs - fully developed Tau systems -and a large number of vassal alien homeworlds. The population of these worlds are fully integrated in to the empire, each striving towards the Greater Good.

So, 20 septs.

Codex: Tau Empire, page 4

Though not extensive, it encompasses a region of space some three hundred light years in diameter, with the Tau homeworld at its center, and just over a hundred settled worlds.

Bam!

Ok.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:So then Tau sector is 100 worlds but the Tau themselves are only on about 12.

Nope. They use all of them.

Nerivant wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:So then Tau sector is 100 worlds but the Tau themselves are only on about 12.

Nope. They use all of them.

IA3 does indeed say 100. Judging by the latest Codex though 88 of those must have a pretty minimal population.

The Tau Federation includes a variety of alien species. For example, the Kroot own several worlds.

20 full sept worlds.
The rest are alien allies, outposts, new settlements, etc.

20 fully populated worlds, about 40 or so settled worlds, the rest just outposts, stations or planets occupied by the Tau's allies

iproxtaco wrote:20 fully populated worlds, about 40 or so settled worlds, the rest just outposts, stations or planets occupied by the Tau's allies

Not exactly. Sept worlds are fully settled worlds. This means that they have reached the limit of their growth and are fully mature worlds (population, availability of tech, etc.) There's probably a fair number of worlds that were settled during the 3rd sphere expansion that aren't Sept level worlds yet.

1hadhq wrote:
I don't.
You seem to.
5th ed rulebook shows nice icons. Still does not disassemble these into sun, planet a,b,c,etc.
But the Tau codex tells us these names right there on the rulebook map belong to planets.
I just take it as is, if we know 1 planet we don't know if its a lonely one or has 1 or more inhabitable planets in this system of at least
1 planet and a sun.

Yes, you do need to work on reading comprehension, since it clearly shows each sept being a volume of space:



There's even a nice little map key to show how heavily populated the worlds in a given area are, on average.

1hadhq wrote:
I see. You believe you cited somthing somewhere and I have to search it.....
Too bad I am not willing to browse the whole interwebz to find it. So at which site and thread was this again?

Um, this site and this thread, though it's become increasingly obvious that some people are not actually reading the posts they're replying to.



On the volume of space: if a Tau sept has 300 ly diameter, then it's larger then an Imperial Sector, as a sector is about 20 ly on a side.

It's a rough classification, but I would say that Sept worlds are the main population centres, with average numbers around the same as our modern Earth. There are obviously different variations within that. The rest are a mix of smaller population worlds, research stations, outposts and of course the Tau's xenos allies.

Kilkrazy wrote:The Tau Federation includes a variety of alien species. For example, the Kroot own several worlds.

That is true. The Kroot however are the only other species within the Empire with multiple worlds. The Vespid for example just have one.

Yes, though it's a gas giant and equal in size to 10 or more Earth size planets so could be highly populated.

We don't know how many planets each the Tarellians, Demiurg, Nicassar, and Humans have.

There may be other allied species around too that we haven't heard about.

BaronIveagh wrote:

Yes, you do need to work on reading comprehension, since it clearly shows each sept being a volume of space:
There's even a nice little map key to show how heavily populated the worlds in a given area are, on average.

Cool. Its back to 3 dimensional. Weren't you the one to claim there is only 1 way to enter the realm of the Tau?
But clearly you can see the volume on 2D and clearly you can see the borders of each sept clearly.....Oh wait , you cannot.
These 2D forms aren't translating well into 3D. And the numbers there are anyones guess.

BaronIveagh wrote:
Um, this site and this thread, though it's become increasingly obvious that some people are not actually reading the posts they're replying to.

Why didn't you read the posts youre replying to?