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I agree, as soon as I heard that warriors are much cheaper I instantly thought of the times Ive already did the bait and shoot with scarabs or a VOD Lord and crew. Just 10 warriors have totally murdered units with their shooting for me, and now they are cheaper AND more resilient (yes MORE resilient. 4+ armor save, 5+ WBB from anything from the sounds of it, that can get bumped up to a 4+ WBB? That I dont have to worry about loosing the game if I lose 3 more warriors? Ya, more resilient) So now my normal units will either be much larger for the same points cost, or have another unit or two for the same cost. Im really digging the rumor mill around here for the Crons.



On a side note, I had a preorder for the current battleforce, and my rep called yesterday to tell me that GW has pulled their orders due to no stock of Necrons. Hurray!

any guess on what the squad size might be for Immortals in the new dex? I'm still not really sure why they are considered a Troop choice for the new book. Stat wise and back story wise they are elite versions of the normal warriors. It really dosent matter to me either way, but to me it would have made more sense to have them in the elite catagory and make the Flayed Ones the troop choice since they are more of a assault infantry unit. Just my 2 cents.

Chamleoneyes wrote:any guess on what the squad size might be for Immortals in the new dex? I'm still not really sure why they are considered a Troop choice for the new book. Stat wise and back story wise they are elite versions of the normal warriors. It really dosent matter to me either way, but to me it would have made more sense to have them in the elite catagory and make the Flayed Ones the troop choice since they are more of a assault infantry unit. Just my 2 cents.

I would imagine 5-10, maybe less. If they were made to be like Tyranid Warriors then even less, I suppose.

The immortals were the first to become Necron I believe and the idea of 2 ranged units in troops is not uncommon with one being more 'elite' then the other.

I hope they make warriors and immortals akin to the black templar/neophyte relationship.

Looking back at the last two army releases by GW ie. GK and Tomb Kings, we received the incoming emails mid month on a Monday 3 months before their release so by that logic,
if the Necrons are set for August we should have the incoming mail this Monday !! (hopefully)

P.S can wait for the plastic Immortals, any word on how big the models are,
I know people have said they are bulkier and more ornate but I personally hope for them to be a head or two taller than a Termi.

Chamleoneyes wrote:I'm still not really sure why they are considered a Troop choice for the new book. Stat wise and back story wise they are elite versions of the normal warriors.

It's like Grey Knights Terminators being Troops as well. They're more Elite, but it makes it so you can field an army of the more Elite troops, rather than just endless fields of the walking 'dead'.

Scarey Nerd wrote:I would imagine 5-10, maybe less. If they were made to be like Tyranid Warriors then even less, I suppose.

What? Tyranid Warriors are 3-9 and 30 points each, you'd think a 17 points model would have an even smaller squad size?

Vhalyar wrote:

Scarey Nerd wrote:I would imagine 5-10, maybe less. If they were made to be like Tyranid Warriors then even less, I suppose.

What? Tyranid Warriors are 3-9 and 30 points each, you'd think a 17 points model would have an even smaller squad size?

i look at it this way. squad of ba tac sm is 170 for 10 no upgrades. 170 for 10 immortals doesnt sound bad especially since you have no upgrades.

kenzosan wrote:

Vhalyar wrote:

Scarey Nerd wrote:I would imagine 5-10, maybe less. If they were made to be like Tyranid Warriors then even less, I suppose.

What? Tyranid Warriors are 3-9 and 30 points each, you'd think a 17 points model would have an even smaller squad size?

i look at it this way. squad of ba tac sm is 170 for 10 no upgrades. 170 for 10 immortals doesnt sound bad especially since you have no upgrades.

That we know of!

kenzosan wrote:i look at it this way. squad of ba tac sm is 170 for 10 no upgrades. 170 for 10 immortals doesnt sound bad especially since you have no upgrades.

My point was that there no way a 17 points model that's a default troop choice is going to have a squad size smaller than 9, nothing about the actual worth of the points.

Vhalyar wrote:My point was that there no way a 17 points model that's a default troop choice is going to have a squad size smaller than 9, nothing about the actual worth of the points.

actually i was supporting you i agree

Kevin949 wrote:

kenzosan wrote:i look at it this way. squad of ba tac sm is 170 for 10 no upgrades. 170 for 10 immortals doesnt sound bad especially since you have no upgrades.

That we know of!

haha

kenzosan wrote:actually i was supporting you i agree

Ah, sorry then . Guess I read too quickly.

Ctan_Overlord wrote:Looking back at the last two army releases by GW ie. GK and Tomb Kings, we received the incoming emails mid month on a Monday 3 months before their release so by that logic,
if the Necrons are set for August we should have the incoming mail this Monday !! (hopefully)

I open my e-mail everyday hoping for that Incoming to make my day... I cannot rest until I see it! I truly hope you're right...

yakface wrote:For those people who don't understand why you would take Warriors when you can take Immortals, you really not grasping how point values truly work. You're focusing on potentially how much easier Warriors may be to kill or how weak they may be in CC and most focusing on the fact that their damage output in shooting looks to remain roughly the same while you can now include 1/3 more of them in the army for the same exact amount of points.

What i'm focusing on is that for 12ppm I get one S4 ap5 shot. For 17ppm I get 2 S5 ap4 shots. That is twice the shots at a greater strength for less than double the price. (Unless the guns Immortals are equipped with has changed as well, and it may) No sir, I think I grasp points value quite well. Granted these are rumors and i expect everything to change, but making suppositions on these points, I would have to confirm my earlier statement: Immortals are better by far. Warriors will be useful for speed bumps, this is very true, and I may take a min unit or two for this reason. But for what I get in immortals... yeesh.

(Edited for smiley to ensure the proper tone)

Ctan_Overlord wrote:Looking back at the last two army releases by GW ie. GK and Tomb Kings, we received the incoming emails mid month on a Monday 3 months before their release so by that logic,
if the Necrons are set for August we should have the incoming mail this Monday !! (hopefully)

Checking back my e-mails, I realized you're right! My Orcs and Goblins Incoming was also on a Monday roughly 3 months before release, and even the Storm of Magic expansion set for July was sent on a Monday. That was some shrewd observation there, I'll give you that.

Vhalyar wrote:

kenzosan wrote:actually i was supporting you i agree

Ah, sorry then . Guess I read too quickly.

ha, no worries all good

man immortals sound so much cooler now, my friend is looking forward to an immortal army.

I'm looking forward to *not* buying immortals and hopefully most other units in blister packs. i just don't like metal. i hope the new named lords are plastic too.


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Ctan_Overlord wrote:P.S can wait for the plastic Immortals, any word on how big the models are,
I know people have said they are bulkier and more ornate but I personally hope for them to be a head or two taller than a Termi.

Yup i hear ya. but does that mean they would come on 40mm bases like termis and be as bulky as termis or not? I like the idea of them coming on a 40mm base but i hope they aren't to *termi MEQ*

The Metal Tide wrote:I'm looking forward to *not* buying immortals and hopefully most other units in blister packs. i just don't like metal. i hope the new named lords are plastic too.
Yup i hear ya. but does that mean they would come on 40mm bases like termis and be as bulky as termis or not? I like the idea of them coming on a 40mm base but i hope they aren't to *termi MEQ*

The rumors so far say the immortals are in plastic, and based on 40mm, they will likely come in boxes of 5 I imagine, maybe 10 if we are REALLY lucky, but I doubt that.

I've been busting out my Necrons for a bunch of games lately, I'm soo keen for this new codex, went up against Khorne CSM for a couple of games, those guys ate me alive in close combat! And the gauss auto glance thing just isn't reliable enough to stop a whole bunch of vehicles :( keen on some cost effective AT options than just praying for 6's and then praying for 6's again to actually do anything.

I hope that there is also an Elite version of Immortals, as well as the troops. I've enjoyed the idea of Immortals being one of the best Necron units, not a simple troop. The Elite ones = Terminators or T5 2 wounds; the Troop ones = Marines with S5 assault guns.

In Fall of Damnos the Immortals are constantly referenced as the elites of the Necron army, I don't see why they would be exclusively troops, perhaps the Undying's large retinue of Immortals could be the troop equivilants while the small squads that are seen among the main Warrior hordes; [the ones that are wrote to tower over Marines, and seem to have power weapons on their gun barrels] can be an Elite choice.

samrtk wrote:

In Fall of Damnos the Immortals are constantly referenced as the elites of the Necron army, I don't see why they would be exclusively troops, perhaps the Undying's large retinue of Immortals could be the troop equivilants while the small squads that are seen among the main Warrior hordes; [the ones that are wrote to tower over Marines, and seem to have power weapons on their gun barrels] can be an Elite choice.

trouble is that rules =/= fluff, (well, it does, as close as it can anyway) and then there is also the fact that the books are written from the imperial standpoint. There were a great many necron lords, who in reality equated to little more than sargeants.

I was also dismally dissapointed with that book, like all of the other white-cover ones. They are pretty painful to read..

yakface wrote:I feel that the point you're missing is that Warriors aren't supposed to be good in combat. You generally want to get them run down because the army has always been generally centered around mid to short ranged shooting........

Yeah I gues I just don't see units like that; I've only been playing for a couple of years and am still a Marine player at heart so I'm not used to having units I can afford to sacrifice - I do still think that you can lose too many models to SA though, but I suppose that is an issue with the rule, not the unit.

angelshade00 wrote:

Ctan_Overlord wrote:Looking back at the last two army releases by GW ie. GK and Tomb Kings, we received the incoming emails mid month on a Monday 3 months before their release so by that logic,
if the Necrons are set for August we should have the incoming mail this Monday !! (hopefully)

Checking back my e-mails, I realized you're right! My Orcs and Goblins Incoming was also on a Monday roughly 3 months before release, and even the Storm of Magic expansion set for July was sent on a Monday. That was some shrewd observation there, I'll give you that.

Um...... I looked back to last year to see when the Daemons (last years August release) where announced and I found that they were announced on the 16th of May on a Monday, which is tomorrow I cant wait to see if I am right!!

Ctan_Overlord wrote:

angelshade00 wrote:

Ctan_Overlord wrote:Looking back at the last two army releases by GW ie. GK and Tomb Kings, we received the incoming emails mid month on a Monday 3 months before their release so by that logic,
if the Necrons are set for August we should have the incoming mail this Monday !! (hopefully)

Checking back my e-mails, I realized you're right! My Orcs and Goblins Incoming was also on a Monday roughly 3 months before release, and even the Storm of Magic expansion set for July was sent on a Monday. That was some shrewd observation there, I'll give you that.

Um...... I looked back to last year to see when the Daemons (last years August release) where announced and I found that they were announced on the 16th of May on a Monday, which is tomorrow I cant wait to see if I am right!!

Oh i really hope ur right... When did Chaos get released?
I mean August but what day? Perhaps, we might see the Necron release there too!
OHHHHH i really cant w8

necr0n wrote:

Oh i really hope ur right... When did Chaos get released?
I mean August but what day? Perhaps, we might see the Necron release there too!
OHHHHH i really cant w8

I looked back they were released in the first week of August, here's hoping the same for the Necrons

Oh im so excited

So whats the current rumors on the different gauss colors? Are they going to be red for tesla/green for gauss and so on? Id guess that means the guns profiles will change? Gauss glances armor on 6, tesla wounds on 6(rending maybe? thatd be nice) anything along those lines? I was flipping through the CSM codex the other day and looking at noise marines and got the idea from their sonic blasters and such. Basically the same as a bolter but changes how they work a bit.

Tesla will probably be akin to the IG punisher, tyranid devourers, DE splinter cannons, etc -- High volume of fire with an average strength and little or no AP. This is all supposition, not confirmed, but according to Yak's posts for every 6 'to hit' you get 2 free extra hits. That means potentially you will hit more targets than you have shots, which is awesome, but we yet don't know the profile of the gun. It might be assault 1, 12", but i think more likely it'll be in the realm of Assault 2 18". We will hopefully get some more rumor confirmations about that, i'm glad I don't glue my green rods into my gauss flayers just in case the color is the guns differentiating factor.

This Incoming mail will hopefully occur on next monday, if so I will be very happy! If not... I'll geuss the 15th of June is our next stop for excitment XD

Really? do you think we'll have an "Incoming" Email on necrons so soon?. I thought we'd be waiting another month or two yet. If it is going to be showing up this soon then I hope we start to see leaked pictures of the new models too.